The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Sleepers for 2024

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Los Angeles on July 30: Click below for tickets! Guess who’s back (2:29)? (Hint: It’s Joe Burrow and his weird new look.) Next, the guys reveal their sleepers for the upcoming fantasy season and categorize them into various tiers, from overlooked guys in the earlier rounds to the deepest of sleepers (7:57). “You guys want to do some emails?” (52:21). Tickets: https://www.theelrey.com/events/detail/564772 Nick Chubb, Browns RB (10:52) Ezekiel Elliott, Cowboys RB (15:58) Brian Thomas Jr., Jaguars WR (19:53) Jayden Daniels, Commanders QB (23:30) Ladd McConkey and Josh Palmer, Chargers WRs (27:38) The Los Angeles Chargers backfield (35:28) Dontayvion Wicks, Packers WR (39:19) Curtis Samuel, Bills WR (43:46) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Search Ringer movies on YouTube and experience the joy. Chris Ryan impersonating Wayne Jenkins on camera. show, my name is Danny Heifes. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. And today we were doing sleepers, baby. We were doing our favorite sleepers for 2024. Earlier this week, we did our favorite players this season, the guys you take here at the beginning. Sleepers, these are guys outside the top 100. Honestly, maybe even guys you might take in your last round. Hopefully, at least a couple guys you've never heard of.

We also have to get to Joe Burroughs haircut, which is extremely divisive. I tear us apart. Tear the show apart. Joe Burroughs haircut. Incredible emails. But first, Craig, we have some news. We have an announcement. You thought I was going to say live show. You're wrong. Our rankings are live. That's right. Hell yeah. Fantasyfutball. Dot the ringer.com. You can go check out our rankings. Me, D.K. Hyfitz, put together our rankings. Every position. A bunch of stuff's coming. Tears. Draft tracker. It's beautiful on mobile. If you're on your phone right now, go to the episode's description and click the link. It'll take you on mobile. It looks beautiful on the phone. Yeah, check out our rankings.

You can use it during your drafts. Yeah, draft tracker. It's awesome. Fantasyfurtle.com. So yeah, top 200 is live and also, DK. Live show in LA. There it is. Still a few tickets.

Come hang out with us. Might have a few surprises up our sleeve. It's going to be very fun. Can confirm we have surprises up our sleeve. Joe Burrow will be there. Yeah, the surprises his wrist in his sleeve doesn't work. Okay. Nah, it's fine.

But yeah, was it? The ringer.com slash events for tickets. It's L Ray Theater, July 30th. Boom. Okay. So with that said, let's get to the most important news of the hour, which is the Bengals tweeted a photo of Joe Burroughs haircut. I know we talked about Joe Burrow at the beginning of last episode.

But since then, we have to do it again. Joe Burrow showed up to Bengals training camp with a bleach blonde. I mean, I can only describe it as like the vintage M&M bleach blonde haircut. If you're on Spotify right now, we'll put the image up. So if you open your phone, we'll put the image up of the tweet the Bengals. with Joe Burrough's hair. So you can look at the hair right now on your phone if you want.

It looks great. What? I don't know. I'm unironically all in on this haircut. I feel like Joe Burrow had the best hair in the NFL, maybe? Like before he got his haircut, I don't know who else you would. Like Joe Burrow was, especially like this season,

I feel like he was coming into this year and everyone's like, wow, Joe Burroughs hair looks great. Look at this guy. And now he went full shave panic mode, blonde. I'm nervous. I don't think it's a good sign. Why do you think this is a red flag? I'm confused.

Anytime celebrities shave their heads, it's a bad sign. Yeah, it's like Britney Spears and you're like, I like this for her. Good for, like, no, this is terrible. Here's the thing. All I need to say is that the first time I saw the photo, I thought it was AI generated. Like, I did not think it was real life. Every photo I see of Joe Burrow, I think is AI generated. I can't, there's no, there's no reality with Joe Burrow.

Dude, I just, do you actually think this, first of all, do you actually think it's a good look? Because I think it's a cry for help because either he's been listening to the new Eminem album, which cannot be good. Or he just doesn't, like, is it an homage to Eminem directly? I believe Eminem's single Houdini is the top streaming song right now on Spotify off his new album. So how dare you, Hyfe, it's fine.

Can we get, let's get Kai in here because Kai had frosted tips once upon a time. Is this a frosted tips? Was it tips or a buzz cut, Kai? It wasn't a buzz cut or frosted tips. Yeah, it was just full, full. bleached blonde. What did you make of this with Joe? Did you do that when you had an existential crisis in your life, Kai? Or before you were about to like peek into the best part of your life? You had your one, you had your quarter life crisis? Yeah, great question. It was a quarter life

crisis a little bit during the pandemic because when I first did it. But I will say I'm kind of, I'm kind of with DK here. I'm kind of in on this. You know, first I was a little bit worried and then I was like, wait a minute. You know, sometimes you just got to switch it up. You look in the mirror. You're like, you know, let's just spice things up. A hundred percent. You look in the mirror. No way. You're like, I hate who I am. This is definitely a distraction from his wrist.

Yeah, he's contemplating his football mortality. And he made a crazy quarter-life decision because his football career might actually be like it's a half, it's a midlife crisis for his football career, quarter-life crisis for his real life. I'm just going to be honest with you guys. I have an incredible amount of resentment towards you both for making me worry about Joe Burrow. Like I just don't have time. I don't have the bandwidth to worry about Joe Burrow right now.

All right. Yellowstone's blowing up. we got all this crap happening in the election. I don't want to think about Joe Burrow maybe being never the same. To be honest, I had not heard a damn thing about Yellowstone. Biscuit Basin closed? Oh, after massive explosion. Oh, no.

There was an abnormally large geyser explosion today. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure that it's not like a super volcano about ready to explode. Nobody was injured. Oh, my God, a super volcano. Joe Burrow looks good. He's got like the, he's going for like the sick boy from train spotting look, like a little bit edgy. Guy was a heroin addict.

Yeah, but he beat it just because he could. This is what he's trying to say, you know? Like, he's like, I can quit anytime. I can come back and play football anytime. See, I think this can actually be characterized for the first time on the show as a weird new look. This is a weird new look. It is a weird new look. You tell me he showed up in Jamar Chase in his heart of hearts, who's trying to get a huge contract.

Extension to T. Hagan's who was trying to get a huge contract. And their heart of hearts inside the voice they wouldn't say anyone else. They were like, this is good for me. Imagine I walk out at the live show in a week with a blonde buzz cut. Oh, I would love that. You don't think you'd be like, what's up with Craig? Is Craig all right?

No, no. Yeah. No, I would be like, damn, that looks cool, man. DK's just nostalgic for the days where he could actually style and make choices about his hair. Fuck, I think you're right. I'm not going to lie. I bleached blonde in my hair when I was like in seventh grade and I'm like having nostalgia. Burrow to me as always, and I said this before,

Burrow dresses and acts like someone from the mid-90s. Like, he is, he is me when I was in seventh grade in terms of, like, how he's dressing and the things he, like, the things he decides to do. Obviously, he's a little bit better looking than I was probably, but I like the hair. I like it. I think it looks good. It's edgy. You know who else is you in seventh grade?

Bryce Young showing up to camp in a backpack and flip flops and Jim shorts. And he looked like he was 12. Dude, I was six foot in seventh grade. I just stopped for us. That's great. You were taller than Price Young is now. Bryce Young when I was in seventh grade. I've never actually thought about the fact that Bryce Young could visit a middle school and there are kids taller than him.

His backpack is like genuinely the size of his body. Actually bigger than his body. It looked like he didn't have a locker. So all of his books had to be in his backpack. It's a tough way. It's been a weird day for looks for quarterbacks. Yeah. I think the burrow thing is positive.

Can't can't lie. I don't know if I'll ever get the image of Bryce Young carrying a backpack out of my mind. Probably not going to draft him now. It was tough. You know, I'm just realizing now that the caption of the Bengals posted as Guess Who's Back. I didn't actually read that, the M&M connection with that. But I now understand.

Beautiful. All right, let's get to our favorite sleepers for the 2024 season. And I feel like sleeper means a lot of different things to many people. Sleeper sometimes is just a player they want to take who isn't in their first like six picks. And sometimes a sleeper is like a player that no one's ever heard of. And they want to know about like Keith Kirkwood on the Saints or something weird. And there's everything in between.

And so we just want to. Eric. He sounds like a cop in Miami Vice. Keith Kirkwood. But so we just created like kind of tears of how sleepery the guys are. So we're going to do three buckets here. Dad nap for like a light sleep. A light sleep's like a dad nap, which is people, you've heard it.

Dozing off. If you fall asleep holding your baby or something, you know. Fall asleep, the kids on your lap. I don't, I hope, I don't plan on doing that. That's dangerous? It's fine. Well, baby, you got to be a little bit careful. But, like, if it's anything above six months, you're fine.

I mean, I feel like I would drop my baby if I was holding the baby and sleeping. I feel like, you know? I don't know. Maybe a year. Maybe a year. I don't know. Round up to five years old. And then you're sure.

Because, like, at what age you're saying the baby can hold on like a, like a koala? Are you saying at that age, you can drop a baby and it's fine? Both. You can drop a baby at one years old and it's fine Well if you got like you know Carpeted floors around you You're probably fine they're resilient little things There's there's a but there's a million pictures of me

Like dozing off whilst watching Calvin On various different ways you know So it's like that's a huge part of what your life as a Newborn baby dad or mom is It's just finding time to sleep It's never a mom nap The phrase is dad nap. Is that because dads are lazier than moms?

Dads are less responsible, maybe? Yeah, like a mom is like actually taking care of the child and the dad's being lazy. It's never a mom nap. Maybe. I didn't know that it was a pejorative, but now I do. I think it's because any dad who's ever made fun of the mother of a newborn child for napping has been murdered.

So the phrase kind of died out. Moms get to nap once a year on Mother's Day. And in reality, they probably don't. That day's like sneaky stressful for mom. Yeah, they just close their eyes and just get to be alone. They're like, thank God. Anyway, so that's the first category is Dadnap. And then REM, normal sleepers, just a normal good, good, good old sleeper.

We also have a little like comatose, which hopefully are people that you very, very, very, very rarely think about ever. They may not wake up, but you never know. They could. Just going to keep on sleeping. All right. Anyway, sleepers, so again, in order of not such a heavy sleeper. This metaphor is so strained. We could do a little better.

I think it works. I actually don't think it's that strange. It's light sleeper, medium sleeper, and heavy sleeper. I think that's great. Goldilocks. All right, anyway, D.K., dad nap, lead us off here before you fall asleep. All right, so you probably heard of this person, but I'm going to lead off with him. Nick Chubb, a running back who plays for the Cleveland Browns.

Right now, he's going against the RB 37, 116th overall, according to Fantasy Pro's ADP. That's actually gone up in the last week or two because there was a video of him squatting 540 pounds. He's eight months post-op in terms of coming back from his injury. He tore his ACL MCL meniscus. It was a pretty serious injury. He also tore my heart because we all watched this. It was brutal. It was brutal.

It was a brutal. I think it's the worst injury I've ever seen live. Nick Chombs injury was so bad that Pittsburgh fans cheered for a Cleveland Brown's player. Didn't they refuse to show it? Yeah. Because it was Aikman and Buck and they were like, we're not showing that. Yeah. Anyway, Dick, I'm really excited to hear this one.

He also had two surgeries. He had to get surgery in September to repair the meniscus and then in November to repair the ACL. Deky, I'm going to speak for a lot of people listening and being like, how can you make me feel okay about this? Because it's Nick Chubb. Like, genuinely and truly, there is no other player in the NFL that I would be touting as the guy who could like actually be better than all the other guys that came back from the A.C.

There's like Adrian Peterson and Nick Chub are the two guys I would ever go out of Limphor for coming back from an injury. And Nick Chub, he's just, this is an expression, this is cliche. He's built different. Like, he truly is built different. 540-pound squat, that's not normal. Coming back from a freaking torn knee. I don't care who he is.

Like, the other thing is, like, we just have not talked about him at all. I think people are assuming he's going to be out half the season at least. There's a chance that he might start week one. Like, he might be ready to go. He's going to be a full year removed from his injury, from his surgery in November. And so I think, obviously, like, the 9-10-month range is where guys generally come back. Nick Chubb is just different. I think he's going to be their starter this year.

Like, I just am banking on Nick Chub being a superhero, basically. You know what's crazy is in college, he destroyed the same knee. He tore his PCL, MCL, LCL, and dislocated that same left knee. Yeah. That thing is just like a bionic leg at this point. Dude, I'm kind of out. Did you guys see the, did you guys see that Tiger Woods was at his son's tournament? He's like, as a spectator.

and Tiger Woods wore shorts and actually someone got a photo of his leg and it was just a scar that ran from his knee to his foot like just down his leg Tiger Woods is 48 years old but he plays golf what does this have to do with Nick Chubb? Yes the injury was bad.

I think Hyvitz is saying if that guy had surgery and can barely play golf I'm worried about Nick Chubb playing football. Yes, I also was going to say that The top comment on the Instagram I saw was, why do I see Thanos in his leg? And I was like, what? And I look, I'm like, dude, I kind of do you see Thanos in his leg? But that has nothing to do with Nick Chub either.

We're saying, Phanos. Like, it just looks like Thanos's face. It's Thanos. Fano. Fuck. I'm saying Thanos. We've literally had this discussion before. We have.

Thanos? I actually feel bad. I never want to linger on these points anymore because I feel like I fit to like we'll get so many tweets and emails. I'm like, it's fine. We can move on. We can move on. Can I ask you a serious question before we move on? Isn't Thanos kind of a better name than Thanos?

I don't think so. I think it's harder to say Thanos. Yeah, I agree. It's Thanos? I guess it is. It's all right. The ghost are screaming. Newsflash,

Phyllis is out on a fucking injured guy. Hard to believe. Hard to believe. This is like the sub, there's the Kevin Ware level of injury, like ones you can't get out of your head. And then this is a tier below that. Like,

dude, I don't even know. Like, Paul George kind of had a Kevin Ware injury and, and like, came back and is fine. in one year? No, I guess it took a year.

But no, I'm saying like, I think this might be worse than the Paul George in three. I don't know. You guys, first of all, you don't have to pick him until like the 10th or 11th or 12th around. Paul George actually did come back and play 81 games the next year. Granted, plays basketball. But he did actually have a pretty good year the next year. What did Adrian Peterson do after he tore his ACL? He, well, yeah, that's the ultimate tour as ACL Christmas and was like moving his leg around like, like,

like a week after surgery and then he came back and had, yeah, the 2000 yards. But again, this is different. This dude's knee exploded twice in eight years. Yeah, that was like a clean ACL with a perfect runway for recovery. This is three injuries. I actually, you know what? I love it. Support modern technology, modern medicine.

You never know what possible these days. He believes in science and we don't. I think that's what he's trying to say. I mean, the squatting 600 pounds thing is not nothing. You can't measure the size of this guy's heart. I mean, you could literally. We have Nick Chubb. This will change because we're recording this on Tuesday.

So if anything's happened before then, we're released since Thursday. We have Nick Chub about 111th, which if you can get Nick Chub and DK's right, then obviously that's a pretty incredible value. DK., any other dad nap guys, any other just old wash players that you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just no reason they put these guys to sleep. I do have one, in fact. Ezekiel Elliott, ever heard of him?

Yeah. He plays for the Cowboys again. And he is, according to ADP, the RB40, 120th overall. So he's in that Nick Chub range. This is a nostalgia tour for me. I'm back in. I feel like he's going to be, have a little bit more pep in a step coming back to the Cowboys.

But more importantly, this is a backfield that is absolutely like, it's a rich resource for running backs last year. Even though we are, we kind of miss on Pollard, like he did get a ton of volume. He's eighth and expected fantasy points last year, according to fantasy points.com,

their metric. He was, he average 18 touches a game, which is 12th among running backs. And like, I understand that Rico Dowdall is going to be here. He's going to be part of this backfield. They're not going to, like, I don't think ride Ezekiel Elliott, you know, to the tune of

300 plus touches or whatever. But I do think he is going to be the guy they trust more. Rico Dowdle has been hurt multiple times in his fast. He can't stay healthy. And more importantly, like, Elliot is really good on the really important downs in terms of as a pass catcher. And I think they're going to trust him in the deep red zone, you know, with inside the five yard lane and all that stuff.

Like he's always been really good in that area. I don't know if you guys realize this, but Elliot actually was 12th among running backs last year in catches. He had 51 catches. Same as Austin Eckler, one less than Jemir Gibbs. Dude, Zeeke Elliott was the leading receiver for the New England Patriots last year.

Yeah, all the, it is funny, like, all the side-by-sides of, like, Zeke's receiving year versus Jemir Gibbs, and everyone's like,

well, what's the Gordon Ramsey thing? It's like, you fucking donkey. And it's like, oh, you beautiful, baby. Wait,

someone else, so someone did the HR, like the meme of like the ugly guy, kind of hitting on a coworker and everyone's like, that's not allowed and then the Hawkeye doing it. It's like, when Jamir Gibbs does the 55 cash, she says, it's fine. But Zeke Elliott does it.

Everyone's up in arms. I will also, I have to say, Rico Dowdell, so the new NCAA game, Rico Dowdell just sounds like one of the auto-generated high school recruits in a video game. Rico. Rico Dowdell.

I just can't get over. That's a real NFL running back for the house. I also think that like Rico Dowdell sounds like the 5-8, right? running back on the team, and Deuce Vaughn sounds like the giant 6-3 running back on the team, which is Rico Dowdoll. Like, their name should be swapped. Yeah, I think you gave this take already.

Did I already say that? I just feel like when Rico Dowdell is a tiny guy name. And Deuce Vaughn is a big guy name. Okay. I like that. Rico Dowdoll does sound fun for it. Rico, I like, can't get, Rico Donald's huge. It doesn't make sense.

D.K., how tall is he? He's, I don't know, 5'10, 5'9? He's a normal sized person He's 511 216 That's a sizable guy Duce Vine, what is he? 57 5, 56 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

5 5 5 Craig do you know why he's so big We think Rickudaddle's big It's because at training camp We see him next standing next to That's probably right Duce fun is 5 5 5 That's 5 5

Yeah I think Zika DK I think you're right Yeah Zeex's gonna be fine Zeec also has some like crazy Like speed metrics from last year of him being like a top five ball carrier in terms of speed. That's just, I hate those stats. The ball care stuff.

I think that matters. I think that's important. It does and it doesn't because the reality is it's kind of like, it's the equivalent of the on-field 40-yard dash. The fastest ball carrier speed is just who got the opportunity to run in a straight line for like a long time. But still. I'm like, but still.

He still got it. He has the most touches of any running back in the NFL by a large margin. Like the fact that he can still do that is, it doesn't mean nothing to me. It's got the top of gear. All right. Other other sleepers here. Let's go to REM. These are away from the dad nap

where you're just holding your baby. Yeah, let's be clear. Be careful taking a nap with your baby. Just take a nap by yourself. Yeah, leave the baby alone. Yeah, that's what the best thing is for. All right. Craig.

I'm going to go with Brian Thomas, the rookie wide receiver out of LSU. He's on the Jags, taken at the end of the first round. Brian Thomas is kind of just like one of the freakiest athletes that we've seen in a long time come out of the draft at wide receiver.

He ran a four or three. 3, 9, 40, and this dude's like 6-3, 2-10. And when you look at Jacksonville, the rest of the wide receivers in Jacksonville are kind of just like a bunch of guys. You have Evan Ingram. They're quite literally Jags, just a guy. Damn it. How did they miss that?

Craig. Expect more of you. Just sitting right there, man. Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk, Gabe Davis. That's what Brian Thomas is working against this year. And the Jags clearly need a deep threat. And I think that's why they brought in Gabe. Davis and it's why they drafted Brian Thomas.

They were terrible going deep last year. They were a very unlucky team for one. But if you look at, I heard Mina Kheim saying this, at throws over 10 yards, so throws that traveled over 10 yards last year, the Jags were 30th in terms of separation. How much their receivers could separate from the defenders? It were 30th on throws over 10 yards.

It's like, to me, Brian Thomas is exactly what you bring in when you need somebody like that. He had one in every four catches in college was a touchdown for Brian Thomas last year. So, like, I know the rookie wide receiver thing, you never know. But, like, to me, this guy has a really easy, like, one of the easier paths of all of the rookie wide receivers in terms of how good his

quarterback is in the competition to actually make a splash pretty quickly. Yeah, his, his flying 20, so, like, the final 20 yards of his 40 a time were, like, elite. Like, he is incredibly, incredibly fast, especially once he gets up to top speed. And he almost has a 40-inch vert. To both your points, we don't talk enough about speed score. So, like, you have a 40-yard dash. But then you just account for, well, how much does the guy weigh? Right?

Because it's more impressive when a heavier person runs the same time. So there's speed score. Brian Thomas, what is he's 632.09. He has a 99th percentile speed score, which is how fast you are per weight. The only receiver ahead of Brian Thomas is DK Metcalf. So you think about the DK Metcalfe. saying it was when he ran down Buda Baker, like, when he was running like Mo's from the office.

And you're like, I can't believe someone can run like that. Like, that's the only guy faster than Brian Thomas for how big he is. He kind of reminds me of D.K. Maccalf a little bit, like stylistically. Dude, his 10-yard split, which is the first 10 yards of the 40-yard dash, he was 0.01 second slower than Xavier Worthy, the guy who set the 40-yard dash record. And he's like 40-fucking pounds heavier than Xavier worthy. And so it's like, look, I know there are other great rookie rider receivers,

you know, Malik neighbors. Marvin Harrison, Jr. And Marvin Harrison Harrison is like not cheap. You're going to have to get him at like top 20 in the draft. But like Malik Neighbors is in a 10 times worse situation than Brian Thomas, in my opinion. So I'm like, look, this guy's a first rounder who I think might already be the most talented passcatcher on this team. Also, wait, I was wrong. It's not, Brian Thomas is 46 pounds heavier than Xavier worthy.

Yeah, that's wild. Running a 4-3 when you're 46 pounds heavier is more impressive. I think that Xavier worthy running a 4-2. I love this, Craig. I think this is a great one. Thomas is an excellent pick. We have Brian Thomas at fancy football.3.com. We have them like, depending where rankings are, we have them like somewhere to

120 and 130. We're going to update it. No risk. I always like investing in rookie running backs, especially really talented ones that score a lot of touchdowns. Wide receivers. Sorry, yes. And yeah, I mean, he is, I think he's high variance, of course, but this is a great,

this is a great selection. Next up here, speaking of athletes, dude, Jaden Daniels, quarterback from Washington. I think he's my favorite quarterback sleeper. this year. History doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes. The Jaden Daniels RG3 2.0 thing is ridiculous. Like another, Washington once again has a Heisman winning quarterback with the number two pick in the draft. And Jaden Daniels went to LSU. He's just another speed demon scrambler who can also play from the pocket. He has a good deep ball. First FBS quarterback with 12,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards in the career. First FBS quarterback that had 350 passing yards and 200 rushing yards in the same game.

so, you know, not exactly cutting edge analysis. Jaden Daniels can run. And again, it's simple. As long as fantasy football is dumb and a rushing yard is worth almost three times as much as a passing yard, you want quarterbacks who can run because it's hard to just look at the guys going outside the top 10 and be like, oh, he could lead the NFL in passing yards. So it's just to me a question of supply and demand. Who are the quarterbacks who could run for 1,000 yards or have like 10 touchdowns?

And three of them are the first three picks, like Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, in some order, those are the three first quarterbacks off the board. And then Anthony Richardson and Kyler Murray are also top six guys. I think there's only two quarterbacks after those guys are gone that could run for like a thousand yards or have like a ton of touchdowns on the ground. And it's Jaden Daniels and Justin Fields. And Justin Fields is probably not going to even start for the Steelers to begin the season. So it's kind of just Jaden Daniels.

And so at that point, it's just supply and demand to me. You can take Jaden Daniels whenever because I don't really care. It's like instead of viewing him as, oh, he should be 9th or 10th or 11th or 14th. I don't care. There's one quarterback with rushing upside, like elite rushing upside. And then there's like eight six foot five white tall pocket passers between Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert and Kirk Cousins and all these guys. There's a million of them.

They can get them wherever. And so I love Jaden Daniels as a pair to any of those guys. Like if you don't get a top six quarterback, you get Jordan Love or Brock Purdy or whoever and you pair them with Jaden Daniels. And I love that at quarterback this year. He really is an interesting guy because I feel like the risk of how he will actually play out as a player in the NFL, as a quarterback in the NFL, is so high. And yet the risk of how he will perform as a fantasy player feels quite low.

Right. And what's weird is because he's actually similar to Justin Fields, not in stylistically as a player, but as a fantasy player. His fantasy profile. His fantasy profile like Fields where the Bears were awful and got rid of Justin Fields. But when Justin Fields played for the Bears, he was like a top five fantasy quarterback. Jaden Daniels is the same thing. Jaden Daniels could not even make it as an NFL quarterback,

and he could be a top five fantasy quarterback. Jayden Daniels could be, on Washington could be horrific. Cliff Kingsbury could get fired after the year, but because Washington's offensive line sucks, Jaden Daniels is going to be scrambling all the time, and again, rushing yards are worth three times passing yards. So I just, if he's, and he's going to start week one,

so you don't even have to wait. And so I think in a weird way, he's actually underpriced, like quite significantly. Oh, yeah. because the floor is there at the rushing, and then what if he's good? What if he's underrated? I just think the Jaden Daniels to me is just an awesome,

awesome person to throw his backup quarterback this year. Yeah, I mean, the combination floor ceiling is ideal in fantasy. You know, we could talk, you know, all day about whether he has a long-term future in the league as a passer, you know, a guy that can drop back and hit his receivers wherever,

but the floor just he gets from running around scrambling. I'm sure they're going to do some design run stuff with him. You know, they'll use him in the red zone to score touchdowns, things like that, keep defenses on their heels. That just makes him pretty safe. It's like a, it's weirdly safe in fantasy, I feel like, as long as he stays healthy, which is, of course, a question, but that's a question with every quarterback. And also, it might be one of those, like, don't watch the game, just look at his fantasy total, because I think it's going to be quite chaotic watching him play, crossing your fingers. He doesn't get hurt, watching him scramble away from defenders because his own line sucks. Like, it might be a pretty chaotic experience, but at the end of the day, like, he'll probably be a good fantasy player.

Next up, Craig. You got any REM sleepers here? Yeah, I'm going to toss in my boy Ladd-McConkey on the Chargers. Receiver out of Georgia, rookie, taking the second round by the Chargers. Look, latent drafts, when I'm taking a wide receiver, I just want guys with good quarterbacks. It just lifts the floor. It's why I like Brian Thomas, and it's why I like Ladd-McConkie. I'm like, at the end of the day, it's already a risk.

These guys are going in the, you know, after pick 100. So at the very least, I at least want to make sure that my quarterback can fucking put the ball on his lap if he's open, which obviously Justin Herbert can do. I know all the, you know, the charges are going to run a lot, all that stuff. I still think it's fine. If you look at Roman and Harbaugh's offenses in San Francisco, they ran the ball a fuck ton, but Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, and Klob, and those guys were still able to have top 20 years at their position.

Vernon Davis was top five tied in at one point. So I just like Ladd, there's not a ton of competition. We'll get to that. But I think at his price, like he is a reasonable risk. for me in terms of how much upside he has. I remember the first time we talked about Ladd-McConk in the draft show earlier this year. I asked D-K to describe Ladd-McConkie in one word. And he said, could I have two?

I was like, yeah. And he's like, Ladd-McConkey's a fucking baller. Is that what I said? I love that. You don't get to sleep to remember. And Harbaugh was listening to that. And he's like, that's my God. That's enough for me.

You guys forget, it was Joe Hortiz who drafted him, who is my doppelganger. Oh, yeah, that you look exactly. He does. George's like your evil older brother. Yeah, he does look a little bit like me when he has a beard anyway. But yeah, this guy's really good. He's a very strong route runner. I think he can line up both outside and on the inside.

And I think one of his biggest strengths is he's really good after the catch. So again, even if, you know, the volume isn't there, I think he can be so efficient, number one, with just like catching most of his targets because he's got Justin Herbert. And Justin Herbert is going to put it where it needs to be. Nothing worse than having like a talented receiver play with a crappy quarterback. You know what I mean? And you just like every, this is like the Garrett Wilson thing from last year. It's like, oh my God.

Yeah, it's like when you're watching your guy on Sunday, you feel hopeless. Like you literally feel awful watching Zach Wilson. You feel stupid when you're like, oh, I need Zach Wilson to do something to make my day be okay today. There's nothing worse. You know when you're just like watching your receiver, you're not even watching the play? You're just like watching Garrett Wilson. He's open. He looks open.

He just ran off the screen. he's going to be open. Yeah, it's the worst. And then you're like, but you're right though. When it's Herbert or Lawrence, you're just like you believe. And so I like this one a lot. I like Ladd. I like Josh Palmer also on this team. Well, why do you guys like Josh Palmer so much? That brings us to comatose, which to be honest, I think he should be an REM or REM, as people call it. But Josh Palmer is my favorite sleeper of the year. Unironically, my favorite sleep of the year. He is my favorite sleep of the year. I'm being 100% dead ass

What are you talking like your fucking zoomer? My ass is deceased right now. Have you seen that skit where someone had a court trial where the judge was talking like everyone the prosecutor, the defense attorney, a witness judge, everyone's using like all the Gen Z language? No, but I love that.

I'll set it to be guys. Wait, are you serious with Josh Palmer's your number one Give me two minutes of your time and I will convince you on Josh Palmer. This is like a timeshare. I'm making you sit through before you actually get to stay at the resort. Josh Palmer's 24 years old.

Feels 28, but he's 24 years old and he's basically the most experienced wide receiver on the Chargers somehow. Obviously, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are gone. Every other receiver than Josh Palmer on this team is either a rookie, a bust, or has never played with Herbert before or sometimes a combination of those three.

Of all of the current past catchers on the charges, of all the current wide receivers, only two of them have caught a touchdown from Justin Herbert. Quinn Johnston caught one last year, and Simi Fahoko had one catch last year for a touchdown. That is the entire list of wide receivers who have caught a touchdown from Justin Herbert. Josh Palmer has nine in the last three years.

Last year, he was banged up, played through injuries. He played 10 games, three of them with Easton Stick, and most of them with Keenan Allen. You're making up these names. Easton Stick is a quarterback in the NFL. If you extrapolate his 10 games where he was beat up, his 10-game stat line through 17 games, he was on pace for 64 catches for 1,000 yards.

And again, that's with Keenan Allen. In games without Mike Williams, after Mike Williams went down with the torn ACL, Josh Palmer, again, with Keenan Allen most of the time, averaged 71 yards per game and produced over two yards per outrun, which would have been 16th and 17th in the league, respectively. The final four games of Josh Palmer's season

before he got hurt, playing with Keenan Allen, 66 yards touchdown, 77 yards, 60 yards, 133 yards. His first game back after the injury with Easton Stick, 113 yards in a touchdown. He's good. Everybody needs to admit it. He is a smooth, quality player. And I legitimately think he is,

a dark horse might even be too tough of a term for him. Like, I think he is like borderline likely to lead this team in receiving this year. Right, right. I think the thing with Palmer is going to be that thing that we always struggle with in fantasy. where we're super excited about Ladd, and he's exciting, he's a rookie, he's really fast, he's, you know, he's got the yard after the catchability. And then it just turns into the guy that the coaches trust

that will be where he needs to be when he's supposed to be and we'll catch the football. And that's probably going to be, and by the way, healthy. And that's probably going to be Josh Palmer. I think Palmer's one of those guys probably doesn't have like a super high ceiling, of course. But if you're looking for like a floor guy,

that's just going to come in and get you 11 points a game or whatever it is, Why not? Dude, he's the 55th wide receiver off the board right now, and I think he's going to be the number one receiver on his team. I mean, I think. I think he's just a guy, number one. He was on pace for 1,000 yards with Keenan Allen. The game you're talking about where he had 113 yards in a touchdown

was the Raiders game where the Chargers were lost 63 to 17, and he got all the yards when they were down 60 fucking points in third quarter. But Easton Stick was the quarterback in that game. Yeah, and the Raiders put in their, literal special teamers on defense because they were up 60 points. And then Josh Palmer beat a guy who's probably selling insurance right now. Why are you ignoring the other four games I listed that he was playing with Keenan Allen when he had more yards than the Eastern Stick game, 133 yards?

You just nitpicked one random statistic that supported your argument. I think that my issue is you're right. Like basically Jim Harbaugh's influence. Like you're right that everyone's gone. Like Keenan Allen's gone. Like Mike Williams is gone. Austin Eccler's gone. Like,

Gerald Everest, gone. Half of, gone. Basically, more than half of the people that Justin Herbert's completed a pass to in his career are not with the charges anymore. They're all left to one off season. You're right about that.

I think my issue is, in the Jim Harbaugh, Greg Roman offense, he just wants to run the ball. They want to lead the league in carries probably. They want to lead the league in yards probably. And at best, they could do one guy.

And I think that the guys you mentioned who succeeded with Harbaugh, Vernon Davis was a first round pick tight end. Michael Crabtree was at the top. time considered like the best receiver prospects since like Larry Fitzgerald. But what, but wasn't? I mean,

it's not like Michael Crabtree. But he was, but he was talented. He went to the, he went to the freaking, uh, or no, he was talented to sell.

He went to the Niners and then Harbaugh came in. Or no, I forget. Now I'm forgetting history, but whatever, but like Crabtree was talented. Was Josh Palmer a third round pick? Or is he like,

yeah, he's a third round pick. Okay. I just, I don't know. I think, I basically, I think there's at most volume for a single person in this offense.

And I'd rather have Ladd McConkey. I guess you could take them, but like, I don't want to take, I'd rather take the running backs in the charges. Like, when I look at the chargers, I'd rather have like Gus Edwards or, I mean, Jacob Dobbins is like, you know Jake, he's 25 years old, he's got 65-year-old knees. But I just look at a team that wants to ground and pound, it does everything through the ground.

I'd rather take like Kamani Vidal, who's like discount plate quorum for Jim Harbaugh and throw a lottery ticket on him and like just see if he does something in the first month for Kamani Vidal. Sorry, it's Vidal, Kamani Vidal. I say the pronunciation guy. But you know what I mean? Like if I'm going to keep Josh Palmer and hold him for a month because they have enough

receiving volume, I don't know. It's like I'd rather just bank on the team that wants to lead the league and carries. I'd rather get a running back. I think that's a, it's a very valid point that they're going to be a very run-heavy team. I think to me the thing that is just so interesting about Palmer is the quarterback he's playing with. To me, this is just more of a bet on Justin Herbert, like feeding his guys the ball. And he's probably going to rely on one or two players, one or two receivers.

And I don't think it's going to be Quentin Johnston. I don't think it's going to be any of the other guys. I think it's going to come down to either Palmer or Ladd-McConkey. And I think that makes both of them really good values because you can get them really late. And to Craig's point, though, it's going to be three receiver sets,

if they do three receiver sets. But you think the two receiver sets will be McConkey. And then Josh Palmer probably can play on the outside probably better than McConkey. So I'll give you that. So Josh Palmer might be on the field more than Ladd-McConkey to start. And then DJ Shark. And Quinn Johnson's probably not going to freaking play for this team,

to be honest. And so you're right about that. Pomer will be on the field a lot. And even, I'm D.K., I don't know, you're smarter than me. I feel like even in one receiver sets, which there will be one receiver sets for the Chargers. Honestly, I feel like Josh Palmer might be the guy on the field more often than the conkey. So I'll give you that. Yeah.

And I don't know. Again, it's, we're talking about such a later round pick that it's funny that we're getting so up in arms about like arguing over Josh Palmer because he's like a 14th round pick. It's not. I genuinely think he's like one of the cheapest bets to get a thousand. and yards this year. To me, it's just, again, I mentioned this a bunch of times on the show already, but it's just the pendulum has swung too far

on the Chargers pendulum. Pendulum has swung too far. We can't do this. We can't police every single word. Everyone has made, dude, ever since the Maestro thing happened, I can't tell you, everyone in my life just is knives out all the time.

I've accepted it, but no, I actually, the pendulum has swung and I feel bad for you now. I actually think it's gone too far. I will say this, though. I can't pronounce a lot of shit. Like, way more than I thought.

Yeah. I realized the other day I say sleight of hand. No, I said slate of hand. I see, I don't know. Is that right? Have I been saying it wrong?

He's not even know what, he doesn't even know what's right anymore. It's beautiful. Palmer is going to be such a narrative this season for this podcast. I can't wait. Palmer is the new Cadarius. Boring Cadarius, Tony. He's bizarreo Cadarion.

If Cadar's Tony was a really normal, unremarkable, hardworking player. He's lining up on sides. He's running routes. He's catching the football. You're not creating interceptions. DK, whose team are you on here? You have to officially decide. Are you on me or High Vets his team?

I'm on team Palmer. I'm with you, Craig. Welcome aboard. Your suite is ready for you. I do mean what I said also about Kamani Vidal. That's my comatose guy. Like, if there was one guy who's going to be the Kyron Williams this year who, like, just takes a starting job.

Yeah. And, like, is a top, like, league shifting waiver ad first two weeks of the season. I think it's Kamani Vidal. He's, he's, he's, like, Blake Corum Light. And I think he's the exact guy, like, Kyron Williams, what are the odds that happened? It's low. But you have them on your team entering the season just to see what happens.

That's Kimani Vidal to me because Jake Godbans, again, like, he's played nine games in three years. So it's Gus Sederberg and Kamani Vidal and Gus Edwards is 29. So I think he's incredible. But, yeah. Yeah, I like that one. I like that one. My next comatose sleeper, uh, I think if Kamani Vidal, the guy,

guy just said is for the charges. He's like my last pick. Like that's, Kamani Vidal is like my last pick in a draft. My second to last pick is this guy. And I'm going to try to get him everywhere. And he's the epitome of like, I cannot let week one or week two play out without him with him just free.

And the answer is Dantavian Wix, receiver for the Packers. This is like, it's really simple. Dantavian Wix is one of the two best receivers in the Green Bay Packers. Like I know Christian Watson is the second rounder. I don't care. Romeo Dobbs had a great game against Dallas.

The Packers' best two receivers are Jaden Reed. in Dantavian Wix. And no one wants to say it because he's a fifth round pick. But it's not bold, but like everyone agrees, though. Like people who watch the Packers fans, people watch tape. Like, Don Tavin Wicks is excellent. Everyone believes in him. And he didn't have outstanding number.

He's like like 500 yards last year. But like when you watch it, I love his hands, love his explosive, I love his physicality. I like, I think he's got good feel. Like I just like Dantevin Wix. He just seems like the classic like five years from now. You go to the Wikipedia page, the 20-23 draft. And you're like, how did he go on the fifth round?

But because he was a fifth rounder, no one wants to say it. And he only, like, 490 yards or whatever. No one wants to say it going to the season. I'm just saying, like, Donovan Wicks is the second best player on the Packers. And Jaden Reed was banged up down the stretch. It, like, it's always so hard to say this with straight face, but I say this with straight face. I wouldn't be shocked if Don Tavenwick's led the Packers in, like, every category this season,

which sounds nuts because in theory he's their fourth receiver. But Don't even think the Packers and catches yards, touchdowns if, I don't even need things to break. for him. If Jaden Reed gets hurt, I think he's straight up better the dubs in Christian Watson. And it's that simple. Like, I just, he's good at football. If I know one thing about fantasy analysis and prognosticating and tape grinding and doing pods and making predictions, I know that Christian Watson is going to have an absolutely incredible year for the Packers this year. I know. I almost put him on my list.

Like everyone's out on this guy. Yeah. Everyone loves Jaden Reed. Everyone loves Dontavian Wix. Romeo Dubs is like sneaky underrated. Jordan Love, best court. And I'm just like, Christian Watson is going to start

and have 1,400 yards this year. I'm drafting. Well, I figured out his legs. We joke about it, but if you guys are new and listening to this, you've known what we're talking about. Last year, we had this half-joking, but like deadly serious thing where Alvin Camara,

Nick Underhill, the Saints reported this too, that Alvin Camer had a seven-pound weight differential his legs. Was it seven? It was a, yeah. That's what was crazy about it. It was seven pounds.

Christian Watson was only two, right? Yeah, I don't remember the exact number. Well, that's thing. When you talk about muscles and athletes, seven pounds is a big fucking difference. And so they like started doing all these exercises. Also remember, we've spent like a month trying to figure out how you weigh one leg.

Right. Like, how do you do that? But Christian Watson had the same thing because he has all these hamstring injuries and they think it's because his legs weigh different amounts. Yeah. And the leg.

You hear yourself. One leg, well, two-leg parlay. I don't know. It's just funny. Hi, Fitz. I like your, I like the boldness of this take. I don't think there,

I think there's evidence to suggest he's a really, really good player. But I do think something has to break right from him in that. I think someone has to get hurt in this offense. Those three other guys. Well, the whole point, Christian wants us trying to balance out his legs because it gets hurt so much.

I think the point I want to reiterate. His damn legs are weird. I'm not saying Dantavian Wick should be drafted in your fantasy draft. No, it's a smart call. It's just like you want a piece of this team. Yeah, what I'm saying is Donovan Wicks goes like 75 picks after Christian Watson, but ask a Packers fan and they probably like Don't David Wicks as a better player. And all I'm saying, he's like your second to less pick.

We're talking about like the guy right before your defense and your kicker. And if he's bad, cut him. I'm just saying like if you could like give, if everyone had a list of like, who are the five players should be most afraid to just leave out on waivers entering the season? I think Wix would make a lot of people's list. And also he's fun. Also, his name's Donatavian Wix,

which is fucking sick. Yeah, great name. Right. Super sick name. Way cooler than Christian Watson. Oh, my God.

What if Josh Palmer was named Dantavian Wix? Oh, now we're cooking. That would be something. I mean, I'm already taking Palmer's incredibly high. So if his name was Dantavian Wix,

I might have to take out a loan. First round pick. All right. D.K., any other sleepers where he, uh, get some emails. I got one more guy.

I've mentioned it before. Curtis Samuel for the, for the bills, I think is really intriguing. because this is a past catching group that we really don't know what the hierarchy is going to be. I guess we can assume right now

that Dalton Kincaid is the de facto number one in the offense. But past that, I think it's really up in the air. Khalil Shakur looked pretty good last year. I do like him as well as kind of like a late round dark throw. And Keon Coleman, the rookie,

while wildly entertaining personality, I think could take a minute. Wait, did you see Keon Coleman? They released the video. We're recording this Tuesday. It came out today. The bills released a video that he didn't know how to sign his contract. He basically was like, how should I sign it?

And they're like just sign it. I don't know what you're asking me. Yeah, his like lawyer was like sign it. However, you typically sign things. And he was like, well, I don't put my full name when I do autograph. So what should I do? And they're just like, uh, just like do what you normally do. And he's like, okay.

I will say, I love it. Because you know what? So sweet. I loved it. Did I tell you guys this? Someone once described Nicholas Cage in a profile. It's like an earnest man and an ironic. world. And I look at

like Kea Coleman and I'm just there, there is an aptitude for learning there. Like I love that like no dumb questions. I love that. Yeah. Also, you know what? He makes a good point. Like I, you know, if I have to sign my name on a receipt at a restaurant,

I'm not doing the full signature. There are two different types of signatures. He's right. You just scribble that shit. But if I'm signing a legal document, you know, I'm doing every letter almost. You guys, you guys like this, but You think the burrow hair is a red flag. Yes.

What? How is this a red flag? He was right. Should I sign it like monograph? They're like, is your full name your autograph? He's like, no. They're like, oh, well, write your full name. I'm like, I get it.

He writes 100 things a day. One's a question about like, like, that's the biggest document he'll ever sign his entire life. Joe Burroughs showing up with Eminem's haircut in 2024. Sick boy's haircut. Anyway, to the more important question. Isn't it kind of silly? We still have to like sign receipts?

Oh, 100%. Like they still have to go through it at the end of the day and have all the signs. And they're checking the fucking signatures to make sure they match up. Yeah, can you imagine like actually I can test that in court and be like, oh, well, I didn't really write my day. Like, what? How come now? I feel like I only have to sign things at restaurants now. I don't have to sign things at retail stores.

Why is that? I don't know either. Because there's no tip? Yeah, maybe the tip process. Because it's like the writing and the tip thing. I think I can't remember where I was. I think I was in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. a few weeks ago

and I remember I bought a t-shirt on a store. You think you were there a few weeks ago? You don't remember? I'm trying to remember where this. You think you were in Jackson Hole? Were you in a fugue state? Honestly, it was.

I was trying to remember when this situation transpired. But I think I bought a t-shirt at some store and she made me sign for it. And I was like, oh, that's weird. Like, I don't typically do you know how that word. Can I ask you ask you another question? What?

Do you have any rhyme or reason that determines whether you want a receipt or not? When they're like, do you want a receipt? It is literally like, I'm like, uh, uh, uh, yes or, uh, no. Like, I, I have no policy. I have no, like, I just decide in the moment on my feet and it's always just like, oh, shit. It's an amount thing. It's like over a hundred bucks. Give me a receipt. If it's huge, give me receipt. And if you're splitting dinner with a bunch of people, you need to take a photo of the receipt for Venmo purposes, you get the receipt. Otherwise, I don't need it. But if you're not a receipt for coffee, for like $38. Do you get

just like, nope? No. No. Yeah. Who the fuck, why would you need that? I don't know, man. To return it maybe? I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I would just get an email to me. Yeah, but then they have your email. Getting a receipt.

Well, big deal. Lulu Lemon has my email. Why is that a big deal? They're going to send me sales promo codes. You're going to start getting fucking emails from Olive Garden like I do. You get emails from Olive Garden? Yeah. You gave your email to Olive Garden?

No, I gave my email to probably Lulu Lemon who sold it to fucking Olive Garden. Oh, so that's how advertising works. Wait, so I'll wait. What is AlvGar? Lemon is in cahoots with Olive Garden? Big time. Big time. I don't think they associate with one another.

Yeah. Well, in public, you know what they're doing at night. Wait, Deacon, what does Olive Garden email you? I literally was getting a bunch of emails about the movie Garfield. And it was like some promotion for their... Garfield eats lasagna. The stupidest. Oh, God, it's the worst.

But also, like, when you go and try and unsubscribe from all the emails, it never works. You know that Gmail now has, like, a very nice, like, expedited way to unsubscribe to emails. Like rather than having to like find for the hidden word unsubscribe at the bottom of an email. It's like in white. It's impossible.

Now they have like a button at the top. Have you ever seen the Nathan for you? It's just the electronic store and it's just like a mom and pop TV shop. And they're like and Nathan for you is like, oh, what do you need is like I can't compete with Best Buy. So Nathan for you is like, all right, here's what we're going to do. We're going to do

Best Buy is a price match policy. We're going to sell TVs for $1. And then that way Best Buy has to sell their TVs for $1. And then they'll go to, and then they'll have to close the store. And they're like, well, how are we going to sell our TVs for a dollar and stay in business? And he's like, simple. They start, so they're dress code.

You have to wear a full tuxedo to get the dollar. And then someone goes and rents a tuxedo and then shows up. And they're like, all right, now you have to come into our private lounge. And they put a live fucking alligator in the room with the TVs. And so like, like, the guy is in a tuxedo trying to arm. me crawl around an alligator. They need to get that James Bond stunt double. He would do it.

Yeah, exactly. But anyway, that's how it feels to unsubscribe from an email now. Anyway, so Curtis Samuel might be good, you know? He's there. I don't even, like, how do I get back on this Curtis Samuel thing? So last, the last time he was with

Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator for the bills, he was actually pretty good. He had 850 receiving yards plus 200 rushing yards. And that was on an offense that wasn't all that good and also had a thousand yard receivers in DJ more, Robbie Anderson. So I don't know. I still think there's talent there. I think the way that they can use him is very versatile. He could be lining up in the backfield. He could be doing all kinds of interesting things.

And he's the most experienced guy outside of, well, anybody. I guess he's the most experienced guy. Like, who else do they have there? That's more experienced than him. Nobody. Not even close. And so, I don't know, I just feel like he's going to end up being the de facto number two. I think Kincaid will probably end up being the number one, or at least the top target. And then Curtis Samuel is just going to be useful. He's going to be, um, He's able to line up at multiple spots in the offense. He's probably going to get a lot of snaps. I think he's going to get a lot of targets.

And this is a really good offense with a really good quarterback. Have you guys noticed that like the backup wide receivers on the bills is like NFL purgatory? You have Matt Collins, Chase Claypool, Marquez Valdez, Stangling. And KJ Hamler are all players on the bills right now. Wow. It's like the lineup in, uh, not the untouchables. No.

No, what's the movie? Usual suspects. Yes. That's, it's not as funny now because it takes time. That's all right. It happens. And they make you read the line? Anyway, yeah.

That's good though. Those guys are funny though. Do you guys think it's just like way more comfortable to wear a helmet with like buzzed hair? Yes. Definitely. Craig, do you ever consider that maybe he got lice and that's why he had to shave his hair? And then he's just like, fuck it. Let's just do blonde.

Yeah. Maybe. Would that be short enough? Probably not. It does help. It's easier to like. sift through and make sure all the knits are gone, you know? D.K., what if he shaved his head bald?

Would you respect that or actually would that kind of aggravate you? Bald? Yeah, if Burrow came in bald, would you be like, you actually? That's an insult to bald people, yeah. Okay. You have this glorious head of hair and you decide to go bald. Come on, I didn't know if you're like, this is cool. This is like a good looking young guy and he's like advertising the bald look.

On that note, did you guys know Shea Serrano just has hair? He grew his hair back. Oh, yeah. What? She started shaving like 10 years ago. So he was just a guy who just decided to be bald? He was just, yeah, he just thought it was luck. I don't know if he liked to say that way.

Shea just has had hair the whole time. That's crazy. Like, Shea just has hair now. That's hilarious. I had no idea. Yeah, look at his Twitter. Shea Serrano just has hair now. Is it like a Wes Welker or, uh, Jason Witten?

Jason Witten's situation? No, it's not like LeBron and plugs. Like he just, he has had thick hair the whole time. So, yeah. Maybe Joe Bird did that. Well, anyway, that's an insult to bald men worldwide. Text Shea. All right.

You guys want to do some emails? Yeah, let's do it. All right, let's read through some of these. Also, first of all, taste aversion. But you're talking about taste aversion and just things that people have that can't eat anymore. For obvious reasons, because they're all just basically stories of people throughout. And they're often doing on the air. So I'm just going to just tell you the funniest meal someone has taste aversion to.

Like, there's runner-ups, like someone's cereal milk, which I think is hilarious because it's beloved. But the best one was shout out to Jessica. Jessica had a horrible incident after she ate Panda Express and clam chowder. Oh, what the hell? Unbelievable, yeah. Wait, together? Same day. Okay, I guess that's less horrific.

There are two wolves inside you. They were six hours apart. Two wolves. All right. That's up there. The dark hermit was above her shoulder when she was thinking about having clam chowder. Eat the clam chowder. Yeah.

All right, next step. Let's do a little. Tell me about the war grandpa. Oh, that's the whole email. It's just hand express and clench out. All the taste of version emails, thank you for setting them. I'll try to reply as many as I can, but I don't think any of them should be read. Now I want to know what happened.

What do you think happened? What the fuck do you think happened, D.K. So she can't have either now. She has an aversion to both. No. They're all the same, which is I shit or threw up for fucking 24 hours and I don't eat that thing anymore. Yeah. And they're the worst day of that person's life.

I think Clans Chowder's the culprit there. I'm willing to say it. You do? I see, yeah, that's just gnarly, man. Ugh. Anyway, all right, tell me about the war, grandpa. Tell me about the war. Tell me story.

It's home. I still can't believe they made that theme song for us. Two people did. Great work. It's from Ben. Beni. So we were joking about how South West Airlines was running on Windows 3.1. We were wrong.

It's not running in Windows. Come on. I was like, every news outlet got it wrong because some guy tweeted it. And then now we're just all the news outlets are just ghost ships. Wow. Yeah, they just, it was trending. So that's wrong. It's just outdated, but it's not that outdated.

One of those, like, one of those Twitter accounts, like Pop Crave tweeted it and then everyone believed it. Yeah, it's just tough. Damn, that's actually brutal. All right. We asked people for emails about animals that you could fight. Okay. Good.

Because I guess people were tickled by the fact that I thought I could beat a great ape in a fight than I learned on the previous show I could not beat an ape in a fight. Haifist realized he can't fight an ape. I just thought I could beat an ape. They're small. No chance. They're strong. They're not that small. Matt from Manitoba.

Matt A. In the same vein as your discussion on animals he wouldn't want to fight. A friend of mine often ask people, what is the largest animal you think you could knock out with one punch? Knock out. Should we do it in tower? An entire power hour episode on that very question?

Power hour animals you could punch out. Knockout. Honestly, maybe. So Matt thinks he could knock out. No, Matt's friend says he could knock out an anteater with one punch. But I think there's no way. How big is an anteater? I need to check the specs.

I need to know like the thickness of the skulls of these animals. I feel like the anteater, there's no chin. Or maybe it's all chin. Your punch is going to deflect off of that face. There's no way you can make solid contact. A ant eater is a lot. about 80 pounds. Dude, I don't think you could

K-O. I don't think you could knock out an anteater. I don't think so either. You're going to deflect now. Your friend's full of shit, Matt. But what is the largest animal you guys think you could K-O? C-O. That you could K-O. One-punch K-O.

Animals are way more resilient than humans, I feel like, yeah. Yeah, they're actually wild fucking animals. Can I reiterate? Nature is metal. Animals don't do podcasts. Nature is metal. You guys, like, how's your forearm strength from all that typing that you?

you do you do, do you think you can KO a bald eagle? Dude. Yeah. Probably. I think I could. Could you catch it though, Craig?

I mean, probably not. In a fair fight, you're not catching that thing. It's just gonna peck at your head. Okay, but that's not the question. Well, are you holding it? Like, you gotta kill it, though, because, like, yeah, you gotta get a punch.

Are you in the ring with an eagle? Was this guy saying that he would find an ant-eater in the wild, capture it and then punch it? Or was this just like a thought experiment? I'm envisioning like you're in a ring, but then you don't just get two people to hold the eagle back and you get a sucker punch. Oh, see,

I thought this was like that like arcade game where you punch the bag and see how many points you get. I thought it was just like you hold the animal in front of you. That's dishonorable, Craig. So I have to actually like, I'm in a ring with the bald eagle and I have to like corner it and then and then land a punch on it. That thing has talons. All right. That's a whole different story.

Yeah. Because then it's like I couldn't I couldn't punch a chicken. You can't catch. That chicken. No way. What about a chupacabra? A chupacabra is not a real thing. No, I meant to capybara.

Wait, what's a capybara? They're like little, like fucking... They're the biggest rodent on earth, the capybara. Cute. I bet those things have thick-ass skulls. But they can take a... They have an iron chin or whatever. Also, like, you're not catching a capybara.

Hyphids, you're in the woods. You're not catching one of those. I'm sorry. Jump in the water. Even if you're in a boxing ring, you're not getting your hands on that thing. What about a koala? Yeah, they're grumpy. Quallas are dumb.

Quala's brains are smooth. They're mean and dumb. That's true. They're super mean and super dumb. Super mean, super dumb. They're so dumb they fall out of the trees. Yeah, their skulls are designed for them to survive falling out of trees. The worst animal I could pick because they're literally like evolved to survive falling for

material. It's just comitia riddled like the helmet is. built in for the koalas. This is from Nate. Nathan. Nathan. All right, your discussion on the last episode

about ape strength versus human strength reminded me of a debate my coworkers when I had years ago, which is how many humans would it take to beat a silverback gorilla in a fist fight? Oh, dude.

Or just a UFC fight. I don't think it has to be just fist, but like a fight. And they decided on five NFL offensive line. Do you agree that a starting NFL offensive line could beat a silverback gorilla in a fist fight? No.

Man, that's tough. Five NFL offensive lineman That sounds like you're getting to the number 10 feels like enough Yeah yeah 10's enough Two per limb is like right when you get there Five dudes

You got one You got four guys one on each limb And then a rogue kind of guy To handle the body in the face I don't think you're going to be able to hold on to a gorilla Yeah I think the question is this one guy on each Is an NFL offensive lineman on one limb of a gorilla enough It might not be.

No. I don't think it is. I think when you get to, like, 10 is when you get two people per limb and then other two people, now you're talking. But 10 almost, it becomes so many people that,

there's probably only five that can get their hands on a gorilla at one time. So you have 10, there's five that are just like kind of sitting on the bench. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Yeah. It's kind of like an action movie where everyone's like waiting to fight Batman

and everyone's just kind of like, yeah, well let that guy do it. Like a lazy rebound. The one guy. Yeah, there's like a single file line to fight the gorilla. I think it's like a round, six or seven where everybody can kind of be involved.

If the number gets too big, it gets crowded in there. All right. We also have an email here from Amen. Amen. You guys talking about animals reminded me of this chart. Let's put this up on Spotify on the picture. If you're on Spotify, you can open this. There's a chart he said that Americans are more confident in fighting

every animal than British people. And there's a chart of basically it's a bunch of animals. And they ask all these American men, like, do you think you could beat this animal to fight in British men? And the Americans think they can beat? all these animals way more. We're just blindly confident. So everyone thinks they can be a rat. It's part of our culture, Craig.

So stupid. Eagle, but it's funny, the two biggest gaps are one, there's a huge goose gap. Okay. First time that's ever been said. Four to five guys think they could beat a goose in a fight, but like half of the English do. Geese are mean too, man.

They are. But I think you could beat a goose. A goose. If you land a punch, you can take a goose. You could kill a fucking goose. I think the problem with, is they're aggressive and you think a goose in a park would hurt you, but you could beat a goose.

I could beat a goose. Goose is going to take you down? I could beat a goose. Get the fuck out of here. Larry David kills that one goose with like a nine iron. That's nothing. Yeah, but you don't get a weapon. Well, that'd be fine.

D.K., you don't think you could beat a, it's all neck. It's all neck. What are they weigh? 25 pounds? They're like 70% neck. Break its wings. No, I think I could beat a goose. Dude, the English.

Come on. The question is, is there any bird that you could not beat? Golden Hawk. Those things are huge. Ostrich is so big. Ostrich is a messy. There's no chance you beat an ostrich. I saw an ostrich in Africa. And you know what's funny, we actually had the discussion of like, what animal out here could you take? And my brother-in-law was like, and we chose a female ostrich because the men are bigger.

We were like, if a female ostrich was going after your mom and was like about to, like, injure your mother, could you gather up the strength in a dreidel and the teeth? take down an ostrich? I think maybe. Take down, but like win the fight. I don't know. A lot of legs. A lot of legs. That kick can kill you. I don't know. I don't know about that. I mean, I'd rather take an ostrich than like a lion. Yeah.

That's clear. I think. Ostrich will fuck you up, I think. Yeah. I don't know. I think if I have enough adrenaline and something, you know, something big is on the line. People can lift a car. Yeah. That's right. Right. I could just claw it out. Craig's just pulling out feathers.

What are you trying to ring its neck? I think I go, well, because if you go for the legs and take it down, then the beak is coming at you. I think you go high and you kind of wrap the neck, take them down. Like you got to be like jujitsu. Yeah, yeah. You need to like a triangle choke. Take it to the ground where it's less dangerous, you know. Yeah, wrestle with it down there.

Yeah, you got to start. Yeah, that's what you need to cross. Rear naked chokes on the bottom. No, you got to get the judo. Judo hip toss. in the ostrich. It's not really hips, though, but... I'd do the hip drop.

That's what I would do. Nice. A hip drop tackle? Hit your hip drop, maybe snap a knee. Nice. Well, no, but their knees go backward. Snap it the other way. I make it go forward, human style.

Big tree fall. You do a hip drop and it bends totally normally. You're like, ah, shit. Yeah. I think the ostrich is like the kind of perfect example of like where we start with this conversation. I think you could beat a goose. What about, so like, what else you're going to say in this diagram pipe?

It's because kangaroo, I'm not fighting a kangaroo. Have you seen? Hell no, dude. Dude, they're ripped. They have like 6% body fat. Fuck no, am I fighting a kangaroo? Dude, there's a joke. Ricket, dude, kangaries are ripped.

There's, there, I'm looking at this chart. There's over 10% of Americans think they could fight a wolf. What is wrong with you? I think that. You think you could fight a wolf? Have you seen how big wolves are? Well, I mean, no. I mean, coyote for sure.

Definitely, we all can fight a coyote. Yeah, that's a lot different than a wolf. Yes, wolves are different. Like a fox, maybe a fox. Foxes are small? Yeah, that's the foxes are various. Foxes are like dogs. They're like, no, wolf, one wolf.

I don't care how many wolves it is. How big is a wolf? Dude, they can take down like a freaking elk. I think wolves... Together. I don't know wolves are huge, but wolves are like... Wolves are big. Maybe five, six feet long, 100 pounds?

I don't know. That's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not me. So you think you'd die? If I tried to fight a wolf? Yeah, I do. I think I would die. You don't think you get it?

No. I think... They're so strong. They have razor-sharp teeth. They're going to go right for your... jugular and take you out. Yeah, that's the problem. It's the teet thing.

You didn't think about that before? The teeth piece. Yeah, yeah. Actually, now I think about it, they have teeth. Dude, a kangaroo's kick force is 759 pounds. Oh, my God. That's insane. Just eviscerate your...

No shots. There are very few. How do we kill all these things? Weapons. Guns. Oh, yeah, right. What do you think? Giant spears.

Distance. I see why we didn't want to get near any of these things. Who the fuck are the people who think they could kill a king cobra? Watching too much. Floridians. Yeah, I've rid of Florida. It's a good discussion. I'm actually really invested in this discussion.

Email us at ringer fancy football at gmail.com. If you have other ideas for animals that we think you can be in a fight, animals you underrated animals, you wouldn't want to fight in a fight. You know, we haven't talked about animal fight club is incredible. We haven't talked, well, we haven't talked about dogs. could you take a dog? I mean, it really depends on the dog.

I mean, yeah, it depends. Do you think you could take a German Shepherd? No. To honest, I think the honest answer depends how well it's trained. If it's like a police German Shepherd or trained to do that, that's tough. I think like, what are this huge dogs called?

The giant ones. Irish Wolfhounds? Great dates? Bigger. St. Bernard. St. Bernard's? No, the mastiffs. Yeah. The mastiffs, the ones that are like actually like,

no, not, yeah, mastiffs are huge. Rottweiler and never. if it's trained. There's another one I'm forgetting that's like honestly larger than wolves. There's one dog that's like... The Irish Wolf found.

No, bigger. I always thought it was the Mastiff. I guess it is a Mastiff, yeah. The Mastiff is the Sandlot dog, right? Yeah. Those dogs are scary. I think, yeah, I think for like a lot of dog breeds you're delusional if you think you can fight a dog.

What about like a lab? Yeah. Easy. They're just so cuddly and like happy. Yeah. You don't want to fight them, but you couldn't. Golden retriever walk in the park. Yeah.

They just roll over and you can like rub their belly. No. Works with the ostrichists, dude. And then you fall asleep. All right. Let's get out of here. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you. Everyone to email this. Ringafantanyf Football at gemail.com. Thank you, fantasyf football. Dotterun.com. Go to the top 200. Thank you most of all.

Everyone go to the live show. Yeah. slash events. tickets still in Los Angeles. Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, Prince. There's a whole thing going on right now

about a Prince documentary in Netflix. Oh, yeah? Really? Yeah. The guy who directed the OJ Doc, Ezra Edelman, has this big Prince doc that's 10 parts, but the estate only agreed to six. And so they're refusing, I might get the details wrong,

but they're like refusing to allow it to be released on Netflix. so they might have to give it up and it might go to a different streamer if they would like cut it down to six. Netflix is refusing to cut it down to six. It's like this whole thing. But apparently it's just really, really good 10-part print stock.

Nice. So Netflix just doesn't want to like set the precedent that people can just like dictate to them about content? I don't know who holds the power. I don't know if it's the Prince Estate actually has final say

or if I think like the Prince of State agreed on six and then Netflix has final say and I think they're deciding whether or not they should say like screw you to the Prince estate. Maybe they would sue. I don't really know the details. But anyway, keep your eyes peeled. Did you ever see the story about Prince and Carlos Boozer? No, I know Prince is a big basketball guy. At some point, he bought a house in Los Angeles. And then he left. He was like, this was dumb. And he rented out for a year. And then they go and

they're like, yeah, some weird secretive guy. And then they show up to give him the keys. And the guy who rented his house for you was fucking Prince. What? Prince rented his house. Why is he renting a house in L.A.? Well, so he came back six months later just to drop by a check on things. Prince had changed everything in his house. Everything was purple. Everything was purple. None of his furniture was there.

Carlos Brewster was like, what the fuck? And Prince apparently was like, look, dude. He's like, dude, you're on the Lakers, right? Purple. What's the big deal? He was like, don't worry about it. And then apparently, Carlisboosers was a few of me. Prince was like, it will not be like this on your back.

And when he went back, all, everything he had was exactly where he had left it. And it was like it had never happened. Wow. Can you imagine how much money that cost? You could just buy a house. That's why I asked, why is he, renting a house. Because he's Prince.

You just buy a house in LA. It seems easier. It's way cooler to do that. It's probably in the documentary. That's really funny. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus, 18 plus in D.C. and present in select states.

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