The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Sleepers for 2025, Cold Soup, and Staff Sergeant Reckless

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Subscribe to our new YouTube channel! The guys react to some of the most pressing news items from around the league, including updates on Rashee Rice and Jordan Addison, the injury-riddled Detroit Lions, the NFLPA controversy, and more. Next, they reveal their sleepers for the upcoming fantasy season and categorize them into various tiers, from overlooked guys in the earlier rounds to the deepest of sleepers. Plus, emails! (00:00) Intro (4:32) News (24:08) Kenneth Walker III, Seahawks RB (29:13) Chase Brown, Bengals RB (38:49) Justin Fields, Jets QB (45:16) Calvin Ridley, Titans WR (50:52) Jakobi Meyers, Raiders WR (54:04) Tetairoa McMillan, Panthers WR (01:00:24) Rhamondre Stevenson, Patriots RB (01:10:31) Roschon Johnson, Bears RB (01:13:59) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Follow the town on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. So my name is Dana Heibson. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldlika. Today we are doing sleepers, baby. Training camp is in almost kind of full swing. Yeah. But first, we have to get to the list of things that have happened since we last recorded. Unlike last time we did this when we had a two-week vacation now, it's been like five days.

And yet the following things have happened. Rishi Rice, the receiver on the Chiefs, was sentenced to 30 days of jail time. Jordan Addison, the receiver on the Minnesota Vikings pleaded no contest to something called wet reckless. The Lions already down like half. That was my nickname in college. Yeah, goddamn right. I was going to say that, great. I was wondering which he would jump in all that. The Lions are somehow down almost like six players already, even though it's July 21st. I don't know how that's possible. Von Miller signed with Washington for six million bucks. And speaking of Washington, Donald Trump said he may try to block the Washington franchise from getting their new stadium in D.C.

unless they changed the name of the team back to the Redskins, which, you know, if we're being honest, you know, maybe Trump wanted to divert attention away from, um, um, well, uh, don't worry about it.

Uh, cold play, the concert thing happened with cold play. Oh my God. This has been every one. The cold play thing happened, which I actually think may have reset the record for the social media thing that spanned all age groups and demographics in terms of everybody saw it.

Yeah. People in their 80s, I talked to. It was my entire timeline for like 48 hours. Unbelievable. It was just that and, you know, another thing happening. That was the only two things happening. T.J. Watt signed a deal, a three-year deal worth $41 million a year,

allegedly $41 million guaranteed per year. George Car Loftus for the chief signed a deal for $30 million per. Will Levis, who I forgot about on the Titans. Will Levis is getting shoulder surgery and is out the entire season. So Will Levis is not even going to be backing up camp war this year. All the second rounders who were holding out are signing their contracts, except for Shamar Stewart, the Bengals first. rounder who's not at training camp and the Bengals owner said the reason was quote silliness.

Funniest of all, NFLPA executive director Lloyd Howell and NFLPA strategy officer Jacey Treter are both resigning, which comes after Pablo Tori's podcast and ESPN had a bunch reporting, which blah, blah, blah, malfeasance, a lot of shady dealings, but mostly Lloyd Howell expense like $3,000 of strippers to the union, even though he's making $3 million at the time. We have to change our New York plans now. I know, God, ruining it for everyone, boy. Jeez. But the most important thing of all is

not only did we bring back the full intro music by popular demand, because all of you screamed at us, and I actually feel bullied about us. We folded. We folded. We didn't get to $10,000 on YouTube. We're close. We're close. Please go subscribe to our YouTube channel. We're over 8K. But we went to the lab. We feel bad, frankly.

We feel bad that we change the intro music, which frankly is the best part of the podcast. all downhill once we start speaking. But we now have the intro. If you haven't watched it, it's on Spotify. You can watch it. YouTube. You can watch the intro.

I'm not going to lie. It's pretty great. Shout out John Richter who made the... Yeah, we have a new intro graphic as well, which kind of references the 90s screen saver era, the early ought screen saver era. And it's great. It's always like on the background of parties.

Yeah. We were basically like, what's the most epic thing you can see on a screen? And we were like, honestly, the most electric I've ever felt in my entire life is when the little screensaver. trying to get it, go right to the corner. Yeah, yeah. And we're like, that should be it. And we were joking.

We're like, what if we made it that? Everyone's like cheering for it to hit the corner. Yeah. So, you know, thrilled about that. But yeah, so a lot has happened. Shout out to the Zach Snyder truther people who basically got us to bring the full intro music back. Thank you. I want to go through some of the news I just listed.

I want to, we should probably start with the receivers, right? Rish and Jordan Addison, who both just, you know, should drive less, frankly. Uber Uber Uber Uber Uber Lyft even Yeah do whatever Call taxis are still around Taxis still exist Run You're an NFL player

Honestly Well dude especially the Jordan Addison one is like He's like he was Jordan Addison's case goes back to He was in Los Angeles for the Netflix premiere of receiver last year And he went to USC so obviously he knows people in Los Angeles And Jordan Addison I mean this is a cop An LA cop basically found Jordan Anderson asleep

and it's white Rolls Royce in the middle of a road. Like it's just asleep in the road. I don't mean to laugh, but that's tough. It is a tough, but it's kind of funny. Like it's just asleep in a car. Yeah. So it's the actual charge, I guess we'll start with that isn't here. The actual charge is it's reckless driving with the involvement of alcohol,

which I guess in the legal world they just call wet reckless, which is basically they can't prove he did a DUI, but they also can't really accept the fact that there's no alcohol involved in the charge. The involvement of alcohol. sounds kind of like when Rogers was like, I've been immunized. Yeah. Involvement of alcohol. Craig, did you drink tonight?

I'm like, I was involved with alcohol. Yeah, exactly. It's unbelievable. So, yeah, first of all, I want to shout out to Drew Davenport, who works at football guys. He's a defense attorney who does fantasy football stuff as well. And I'm not going to lie. He's by far the best person at figuring out the legal cases for these people, especially Rishi Rice is actually very complicated.

It's hard to figure out how the court system works. And so he's the best person at figuring how that translates from one. opaque legal system to another one, which is the NFL conduct policy. So I'm going to basically summarize what Drew Davenport has said about this, but he's the best person in this subject. So for Jordan Addison,

long story short, the actual legal outcome is 12 months of probation, $390 fine, which I think that's such a funny number, like just, I don't know, he can't get $400, that Jordan, Edison, $3.90? What does that come from? It's unbelievable.

It should be way more than that. I had a bail a friend out of jail once, and they charged me $68. $0.25. And I was just like, You could round up. Like, that's fine. Yeah, a quarter.

They had to do it in cash. Like, we had to have the quarter. I don't know. Who's got a quarter? Who has a quarter? I know. It's just around 390s, unbelievable. But anyway, in terms of the actual season,

because Jordan Addison and Rishi Rice, I think we thought these cases would get pushed. And then they both were settled in a way that, um, Jordan Addison and Rishie Rice, you probably get suspended this year. So for Jordan Addison, long story short, it's probably going to be a three game suspension with the chance to

reduce it to a two game suspension if he's very, very, very, very, very, very sorry. So that is basically. So Jordan Addison, I think probably two to three games is the most likely outcome. Which, you know, we will dock them probably like a round, you know, if he's definitely going to miss three games. That is, it's not a ton, but it is like, you know, almost a month. So Jordan and then Rishi Rice is the situation's a little different. And again, he was going 190 miles an hour in a Lamborghini SUV. And then there was a massive crash and people have probably seen videos of it.

But Rishie Rice was sentenced to 30 days of jail time. five-year probation. He can serve the 30 days in jail at any period over a five-year period. He can just do 30 days, which is, it's kind of funny to think what month would you go to jail for over your next five years? January. Yeah. Well, what if he's in the playoffs? February.

I'd say for March. May. Well, May is a nice month, though. No, March. Sure. It depends where you live. Can I just say Lamborghini SUV kind of an ick? Right.

Right. I had the same thought, Craig. Lose the SUV, just Lamborghini. Lambertini. He also, Jordan Addison the year before that, 2023 was also going, I want to make sure I get this right. Jordan Addison was going,

he also had a Lamborghini. He was going 140 and a 55. Right. And then Rishi Rice had the Lamborghini SUV. It's like, yeah. The problem, I see a common denominator here. We need to get rid of Lamborghinis. Yeah.

That's too cool. They aren't too cool. Just think if there were only minivans, would people really be speeding? stop making cool cars. Nothing more than four cylinders. No more cool cars. They all look like soccer mom vans.

Craig, this goes to your best recent take, which is hot people should stop making music. Yeah, let the diversity sing. They have more to say. And we should only have ugly cars. Ugly cars with ugly people singing in them.

Yeah, that's the dream. And then see it. So Rishi Rice, again, shout out your Davenport, who's the best person on this. It sounds like he'll be suspended three to four games with a chance that it's two games

and a chance is five or six. But Rishie Rice is probably three to four. Jordan Addison is probably two or three. Don't go 140 and a 55. Don't drink and drive. Don't do any of those things. For fantasy purposes, which is always the most awkward pivot of all. Most importantly, what does it mean for my fantasy team?

Most importantly, what does it mean for where I should draft Rishi Rice, D.K., how does this news impact where you want to take Rishie Rice? Again, the most important part of this whole story. It pushes it down a little. Sick. I mean, I think he'd been gassed up pretty high in drafts lately. and I hadn't been following like the actual legal proceedings super closely, but this felt like one of those Supreme Court rulings that comes on like Friday at 7 p.m. Pacific.

Yeah, shadow docket. You're like, what, where'd this come from? I didn't even know they were talking about it. Some judge just decided to like fucking open up that book and read it and we'll give them 30 days. Anyway, yeah, I think this pushes them down slightly, but it's not, you know, it's not a super long-term suspension. and so it's not, I don't think it's going to make like that huge of a difference. But yeah, I would push him down because he was getting pushed up into like middle of the second round even. How do you guys react to this?

I would say honestly, I think this almost makes him, this is kind of funny, but it's like I'm like, I'm kind of more into drafting him now. Yeah. Because I think that kind of like, you got to make money off of this. How are you going to be in a draft with your friends and you see the SUSP for suspended? That sticker shock hits really hard. And when somebody misses the first two to four. games of the season. Those are like the least important periods of the fantasy season. Like that is, there's no buys. Everyone's in theory the healthiest they will be. So like you have a lot of options to

replace Rishi Rice or Jordan Addison in that span. If he were to miss December, that's a completely different story. But I'm kind of like, hey, if you can get Rishie Rice around later now, put in a couple guys you drafted a little bit later to replace him in the three to four weeks, he's out. I actually don't think it's a terrible pick. Yeah. And I think we'll probably have a better idea. Honestly, it's funny because it's July 21st, I think for some of the guys we're going to talk about, we're going to have more information, more information just about

camp battles, health, all this stuff as we get closer. But these situations, the suspensions really might come down the Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday before the season begins. So we really, you might actually draft without knowing the exact length of the suspensions. But yeah, I think Craig's right. You know, you look at this charge that Rishi Rice played guilty to collision involving serious bodily

injury, and you're like, got to make money off this. Right. I actually came away more impressed. Yeah. Yeah, so, but no, I agree overall. I think for She Rice, I'm torn because on one hand, he is coming off that tough knee injury where Patrick comes. Is it bad? My brain also jumped to like, yeah, another month to rest the knee. I did cross my mind.

Yes. It crossed my mind just for fantasy only. Again, the point of this show is to give fantasy advice. That is what ran through my head. Is he going to be in jail that month for She Rice? No, because he can pick which 30-day period he wants to serve. during his NFL suspension. Yeah.

You can't double dip that? I can't double dip. Well, no, no, the chiefs, no, the chiefs, because they kept pushing the Rishi Rice legal case. And the NFL doesn't settle anything until the legal case isn't done. Right. Or they're like the criminal proceedings at least. And when Rishirai Tours where he didn't. Right.

They were like, suspend him now. Right. Yeah, no, the chiefs were like, do you want to do the suspension now? And the NFL was like, are you kidding me? Get out of you. Just asking. Yeah. That's, that's.

Honestly, what happened? They're like, hey, our job is to win football games, are right? Yeah. That's it. So, okay. And then Jordan Addison, I think you bumped down half around or whatever. I mean, you know, three games. It's like, you know, it doesn't really change what you think about Jordan Edison, but also, you know, it's three games.

So this is neither here nor there, but I always kind of find it funny that you get scheduled to go serve jail time. Like, I could go serve jail time in any time in the next five years. That's very weird to me. I know. How do you let them know? Maybe we, maybe we shouldn't go down that. road, but um, wandering down a dark road here. I know.

Jeez. Let's not open up Pandora's box on the American legal system. But, uh, yeah, I think it's just like, I think I'll go during spring break of my junior year or whatever. It's just like bizarre. Like you don't, why don't they just, I guess it's because of overcrowding, which again, let's not go down that road. But, um, no, let's do it.

Let's solve this right here. You know what? Fuck sleepers. We're going to get into this. Anyway. that's enough. We can continue. Top six biggest qualms

with the American legal system. Sure. If it's go. Oh, man. That's a great call. You know, I was told if I wanted to get a jury duty,

you just say that, you know, you don't believe in testimony as a concept. So. Interesting. I like that. My dad's a cops. I feel like I don't usually have a problem with that.

I always get out. What, with getting in trouble? No, jury duty. They don't want funds of cops. Ah. Right, right, right. biased.

Yeah, we should keep doing on this road. We're doing great. We're doing fantastic. I'm sorry. Everyone listening is like, this is so, this is going so well. Other people where it's going really, really poorly.

The Detroit Lions, I can't believe the Lions season started this way. They'll be fine. Right? Dude, you know what's so funny? David Montgomery, the running back said that this is like

their year of reckoning. He was like, it's nice to get close, but like you can't get used to getting close. Like, this is our year of reckoning. now or never. And then immediately everyone's heard already.

And all the important players from last. Alex Insolone, he's the linebacker who's like the communication guy on defense. Aline McNeil, like defensive tackle, is their second best deal. I think was expected to not start the year in week one. Dan Campbell, only on the coach. But then Taylor Decker is a tackle. And I think even for fantasy purposes, you're not talking about Penny Sewell, who's like probably the best right tackle in the NFL.

At worst, this is the second best after Lane Johnson. But then you have Taylor Decker, sorry, Taylor Decker, who, I mean, it sounds like he won't be 100%, at least for the beginning of the season, if he plays. in the beginning of the season. And now you have a left guard that's going from Kevin Zitler to Christian Mahogany who we thought was made up person.

You have a center going from Frank Ragnao who's like a grizzled NFL vet to like a rookie and Tate Ratledge or someone else who will play center. And then you have your right guard. Graham Glasgow,

who's fine one of the group, kind of like the Eagles right guards, the fine one of the group. And suddenly the line's offensive line. You're looking at it and you're like, damn, this went from a great unit to, is this like the Niners

where it's Trent Williams, one great tackle and like four guys who are fine? Which really changes how you look at the, Lions, especially with the seven coaches that have departed. Like the body, Craig? 100%. I mean, losing seven coaches, your offense and defensive

coordinator, you have a six-round draft pick and a rookie on the offensive line now. It's, you know, you're not starting off the best. D.K., does this give you any pause about Jemir Gibbs? Like some people of Jimir Gibbs number one, smart people who I respect it, your game is number one. And again, the week one test. If the Lions can't run the ball immediately and you're like, oh, yeah, right. This was the absolute strength identity of their team, and it's not cool anymore. Well, is it more likely that in week four, you look back and go,

obviously the Lions were going to be good. They're the Lions. The Institute, it's the Lions. Or are you going to be like, obviously they were going to be bad? Their whole offensive line is different. And every coach left. I mean, it feels closer to the second one. But I would say it gives me a slight amount of pause,

but, you know, Jumeer Gibbs is still going to be super explosive when he gets the opportunity. And if they're not running the ball well, then he's probably going to have a better chance at catching more pass. is because they'll go more pass heavy. Because you're a socialism, PPR scoring. It's, it's, it's, you catch a pass and losing nine yards. Because I love PPR scoring alone. I'm the only one that's in favor of half PPR and PPR.

But yeah, I think, you know, I think he'll figure out ways to get his, his points and it won't be that that big of the deal. It won't be like the type of thing that pushes him really far down the list. What's more important is what is the team going to do with David Montgomery versus Jamir Gibbs? Like is it going to be a 50-50 split? It's where Gibbs going to slowly start to get more of the workload and kind of like take over that backfield. I think that's more important when it comes to Gibbs.

But there's a lot of, I think he is for being the number one overall pick or some people's number one overall pick, like he has kind of like a wide range of outcomes probably. Gibbs and Ammanra are still first rounders. And again, we have like our rankings coming out this week of fantasyfibble. com. We're updating them. And we have a whole bunch of updates coming to fantasyfool. com.

So check that out. That's going to, we're going to have a bunch of a revamped ranking system of fantasy football. Dotterreau. Which are really excited about. And you'll see where we have games at Amman Ra when that goes live. I think the other Lions,

you know, Sam LaPort, I'm not as excited about. Like David Montgomery, who I love as a human being and I just think he's like such a fun player to watch. You know, it's just, I'm a little nervous.

Although, again, if the Lions defense is banged up again, they're going to be throwing the ball on all these shootouts anyway. So maybe it's going to work out fine. The last thing I want to do before we get to our sleepers here, is just briefly touching the end of football. PA story where basically

Pavl Tori had a bunch of reporting and then ESPN followed up and just it was kind of like a one two punch and they just kind of unraveled the NFLPA in like two weeks and we don't have to go into all of it but there was just basically Lloyd Howell who's the basically the head of the NFLPA had a bunch of shady dealings. There was

an FBI investigation which was kind of like somehow underrated and all this there was just weird stuff about he's signing NDAs with the NFL there's all this stuff going on but honestly the funniest part is he had a car wait for him outside the largest strip club in America in Fort Lauderdale for $800 for a car to wait to sit there and wait for him.

He went from the airport to the place. The car sat there until six in the morning drove him home. First of all, just get an Uber to drop you off and call an Uber. Why would you have the car wait for six hours while you're at a strip club? Being drunk with power and money. Yes. He did all that. And the best part is he reported it all.

He sent these like expense reports in. into the NFL. He wasn't trying to like hide anything. He's like, yeah, yeah. We went to the strip club. Oh, the quote, yes. The quote of what the expense report was. And the other one was $2,500 at Magic City in Atlanta,

which is I think the most famous strip club in America. And the expense, he had someone else expensed it because guess what? When Lloyd Howell was at Booz Allen Hamilton, he got in trouble for expensing strip clubs. Just can't stop going to strip clubs. So he had another person submit the receipts. And it was filed.

Lamborghinis, get rid of strip clubs. Well, no, keep a strip clubs, just don't expense them to your job unless you're in a strip club industry. So the expense was filed another player engagement event to support and grow our union. Sure. Which is technically a lot. Thanks a lot, dude. Now we have to change our entire New York plan. Yeah, he fucked it up for a joke.

We had a good thing going. I'm trying to promote ringer fantasy football show union. The other thing was the $2,500. At 11 in Miami. $2,500 the expense was just cash withdrawals from an ATM. It was itemized. It was $2576 of just cash at again. It's for playing like pinball machines and whatnot.

Yeah, exactly. I would love it if there was like some giant leak of the most ridiculous expenses in like corporate business history. Oh my God. You know? Like there's some great ones in Hollywood. There's like agents like who have to expense crazy shit that they're that their clients do. I would love to know that stuff.

Anything else at the dome you can actually share? That's a great one though. We had a manager on the town a while ago who used to work at WME, and he said he accidentally paid for an entire night's worth of drinks at this bar with everybody. It was like hundreds of people, and it was like $200,000 that he got like screwed with. And it was his whole thing. And WME ended up paying for him and like covered it for him.

But he said it was like the scary. week of his life. Yeah. So there's, I can't, that's probably nothing. Like, there are probably millions and millions of dollars of expenses that happen every single week from crazy celebrities. When Tom Cruise sends those 3D prints of your face to your house as a cake. Like that's probably going to, you know, that's getting expensed.

He's not made for that. What's he's using Scientology labor for free? Which, perhaps. I actually preferred when we were talking about the American legal system. Corg. labor. Yeah. I was more comfortable talking about the jails.

I am talking about Scientology. Right. Like a red dot just appears. Nothing going on here. Yep. All right. And now we have a really good show where we won't talk about Tom Cruise anymore. That was be hostage video.

Okay. We should probably talk about sleepers because it's in the journal. and we're going to get murdered. Sleepers, aka wet reckless people. Wet reckless. Sorry. Wet reckless is unbelievable. Wet reckless.

Oh my God. I know my fantasy team name now. Yeah, it should be Jordan, wet, reckless. He's on the loose. He's wet and he's reckless. Do people say let's get wet to refer to drinking? That's a thing, right?

I think it's a different connotation. I'm Googling it. Nah, careful. Let's get wet. Raymond Lamb's third album in 2009. Of course. I don't like where this is going. We're like just skating on the third rail.

Go to page two of Google. What's on that? Remember when Google it pages? There's a lot of songs called Let's Get Wet, Craig. So I think you're probably onto something here. Yeah, right? Although it might mean something sexual also. That's certainly possible.

What the fuck are you guys? Yeah. Of course it does. Have you ever listened? through a little Wayne song. Have you ever actually looked at the lyrics? Oh, all right. Anyway, I'm horrified by what's developing here.

Okay, let's talk about sleepers. Yeah. So I think that sleepers, it's funny to think that this is controversial. Originally, when we were playing this episode, I was like, people get mad about sleepers. Now we have like five other things people get mad about on the show. But I think sleepers, sometimes you say sleepers and people are like, oh, yeah, guys who are going lower than they want, or guys who are outperforming their draft slot, that's a

sleeper. Some people are like the third string running back on the 49ers or anyone more mainstream than that doesn't count as a sleeper. So we're, we have just categorized different kinds of sleepers. So the lighter, you know, we're some light sleepers, some hardcore sleepers. We're going to go categories of sleep here. And so if you think that the first group of guys were talking about are two mainstream, I'm sorry. But we're going to get to like the weird ass guys later. So starting there with some mainstream, these are going to be like dad nap sleepers.

Light, light sleep, you know, DK, you're the expert in the dad. You barely even noticed you fell asleep. Exactly. In the lazy boy chair, hands on the belly, TV on. Yeah. Glass in hand. Never falls, never spills. A light snore.

Yeah. Dekha, who's your dad nap sleeper? I'm going back to the well with Kenneth Walker. You know the old goofy meme? I'll fucking do it again. I'm going to fucking do it again with Kenneth Walker this year. I don't know that meme. I don't know that meme, either.

You don't know that one? I'll fucking do it again. Oh, I actually. Yeah, I do. Actually. Go look it up. Anyway, I still think Kenneth Walker, just in terms of pure running talent,

one of the best running backs in the NFL. Last year he was fourth in PFF rush grade, 12th in PFF receiving grade, which I think is surprising to some people. He was pretty good in the passing game. The Seahawks last year were very pass-heavy. They were one of the past rate over-expectation, one of the highest in the league.

And so I think going into this next year, Seahawks are basically signaling to the rest of the league that they are going to be a run-heavy team. Everything they've done over the off season, going and getting Clint Kubiak, switching to the wide zone scheme, which, by the way, according to Ryan Heath at Fantasy Points, Walker is much better in the wide zone scheme compared to gap scheme stuff.

So that could be a good boost form as well. But Seahawks, I think are going to be much more run heavy, much more balanced. Kenneth Walker, you know, basically it just comes down to Kenny stay healthy. And I think that you could say that about like 75% of the running backs in the NFL. So I'm just going to go and have faith in Kenneth Walker to stay healthy this year finally. I think he's so good. Such an explosive guy. So it breaks so many tackles.

And I think the Seahawks are going to put a lot on him. Kubiak has already been quoted as saying, we're going to. to ask a lot of them this year. And so, I don't know, I'm just back in on Walker again, even though, you know, obviously the Sealks changed a lot in offense this year. He's always a guy who passes the eye test. Whenever you watch Kenneth Walker, when he's having the right game, like when he's on and he's healthy and he's getting 20 touches, he genuinely looks like one of the best 10 running backs

in the league. So much of this year, I feel like he's defined by these new offensive coordinator guru switching teams and could be going to Seattle is a great one that's kind of flying under the radar because there's obviously like the Liam Cohen's and the Ben Johnson's of the world, even like no one's really talking about. Kellyn Moore even in New Orleans. But I think Kubiak going here is a great one, DK. And yeah, I mean, I've always been in on Kenneth Walker, but you're right.

It's mostly a product of him just like not being on the field. And then Zach Charbonnet fills in and is like usually a decent backup for fantasy just by sheer volume. Just volume, yeah. But Kenneth Walker is clearly the more talented back. I totally agree. I agree with Craig, your point, too, about just that the coaches being one of the biggest stories of the offseason.

And one of the reasons people aren't talking about Kellyn Moore probably going from the Eagles offense to the extent. Saints head coaching job is the Eagles are the Lamborghini. Pretty easy to make that thing go really fast. And then now he's got the Saints. He's got a minivan. You know, that's not the most talented group of people in New Orleans. But like the flip side is that is what Kupiac's doing, right? Going from New Orleans to Seattle, like I know the Seattle offensive line, it's weird because I feel like two or three years ago,

the Seattle offensive line was considered actually really talented and now it's considered decrepit's too mean. But like it's so, the truth is it's probably somewhere in the middle. Like I think Seattle, this isn't a dig, but it's capable being a, it should be an average offensive line. Yeah. I mean, going into last year, it was ranked one of the worst in the NFL, and that kind of bore out. It was not very good.

They had a bunch of injuries. They were rotating guys in and out, like during games. Like, that's never good. Which is always a bad because that means they thought of every other option. This is like horrific. You want continuity on the offensive line because everybody's working together. That among like at any position in the NFL, like the offensive line has to be communicating and working together. If you had one guy going the wrong direction or like doing slightly the wrong thing, it can fuck up the whole thing.

And that's part of the reason, honestly, that we saw Kenneth Walker get hit behind the line so much last year. If you go and look at some of Josh Norris was posting videos of this the other day on X, but basically just he was doing superhuman things just to try and get past the line of scrimmage. You know what I mean? And I'm hoping the Seahawks with the investments they've made on the offensive line. Gray's able in the first round. They've had some other guys that they've drafted over the last few years that could make a jump. Maybe like Hyford said, maybe this will be somewhere in the middle like that.

So be great. But right now, you know, obviously that's kind of a bit of a stretch. And that's a projection because based on what we know, they're not very good. So where should we put Ken Walker in rankings? Because again, we're kind of updating this week. And again, if you look at running back tiers, I think, you know, I don't want to get too lost in it. But, you know, there's like Sequan at the top. There's like Sequin, Bejohn, Jimere Gibbs.

And then there's, you know, there's like Derek Henry, Devon, Echon, like Ashton, Jant, and Christian McCaffrey. And then you've got like John Taylor, Buckie Irving, Josh Jacobs, you know, that Chase Brown, that kind of group. And then, you know, it's like, is Ken Walker in that group with like those guys in Breece Hall or is Ken Walker closer to like Alvin Camera and some of those old guys? And I do think Ken Walker to me is the last guy

in that last group with the Chase Browns, the Breece Halls. Because again, I keep joking about the week one test. But how much of week one would you have to see where you're like, oh my God, Seattle can run the ball? Yeah. And Ken Walker has like 100 yards at halftime. And you're like, oh, my God, I passed on Ken Walker four times.

And you feel really dumb. So that is why I like this one, is it's very easy for me to see the situation where it works. But even if there isn't magic with the Seahawks offensive line, you're still getting a starting running back. Right, right. And honestly, if you feel scared about it, just draft Jack and Zach Sharbonated a little later in the draft and you'll be fine.

Craig, who's your dad nap sleeper? Kind of sticking in the same area. Chase Brown, the running back in the Bengals is a guy who I think in a different, I think five years ago, Chase Brown might have been like a fringe first rounder in drafts. Right, right. And now I think the narrative around kind of like who he is on the Bengals and like his draft profile, a lot of that stuff I think is hurting him, which is fine. He's a third year guy.

He's a fifth round pick. And he exploded last year when Zach Moss went down. Basically, they were splitting time. Although before Zach Moss got hurt, Chase Brown was already kind of starting to take over a little bit. Zach Moss gets a neck injury in week eight. then it's Chase Brown's show from week nine on over that stretch week nine to week 17 he was the RB5 he was second in touches behind only sayquan he was getting 23 touches a game he was playing 85% of snaps like he was one of the premier running backs in fantasy football over the second half

of the season and I don't know it's like I think it's a little hard for me to see why that won't just happen again DK you mentioned Ryan Heath over at fantasy points data he I was reading one of his articles, he was saying that Chase Brown averaged the most expected fantasy points per game of any running back in fantasy points date of history over the second half of last year. Yeah, they were just feeding him. Feeding him. In the passing game, in the running game, only Alvin Camara averaged more targets for game over the past two seasons than what Chase Brown did in the second half of last year. And he's a smaller guy. You know, again, he was a fifth round pick. People are like, oh, you know, can he handle the workload? Like, that's usually a concern. Chase Brown at Illinois kind of was a guy who could do it. He had 350 touches in 2020. in college.

Zach Moss might get cut. They restructured his contract. They have Samajai P. Ryan, and they have a rookie in Taj Brooks, who was a sixth-round pick. And so I'm kind of like, this is like the least sexy running back you can pick that might just have the workload of all of the sexy running backs. And he's on one of the highest scoring offenses in the league. The only downside is that he's Chase Brown and he's a fifth rounder.

And like, I don't know, maybe he's not actually that good. I totally agree. I think Chase Brown's kind of like the new Kyron Williams. where it's like, well, we saw it, but do we believe it? Because it's also just a function of playing time. Like, I can't stress that enough of, did my voice just crack there? A little bit. But the guys that are usually elite that you end up taking in the top five,

unless it's Alvin Kamara 2017 where he's scoring a touchdown every single game, literally. And Alvin Kamara scored a touch, I think 50 touchdowns those first 50 games. Unless you're that efficient, you are playing 80% of the snaps or 75% minimum. And the elite guys are like Christian McCaffrey, Sequin, 45% plus psychopaths who tell their coaches when they ask to get out of the field, they're like, no, I will not leave the field right now. Like a pitcher sending the manager back, like, I'm not coming out of the game. That's how you get that way.

And there's like four of them a year, like even Derek Henry isn't necessarily playing 97% of the snaps. And so Chase Brown just joined that group. And that was the shock of Kyron Williams. He's not the most talented guy, it's a fishing guy. But Kyron Williams was playing like 94% of the snaps a couple years ago. And so Chase Brown, the question of me is, will he be that this year? My knee-jerk reaction was, of course not.

Like, my knee-jerk, like, coming to the season, everyone's ranking Chase Brown all high and stuff. And I'm like, they're going to go back to 60. Chase Brown will be the 60. Zach Moss will be the 40. They don't want to play that way. They had to play that way. And the closer I get, and I want to see this breakdown in training camp, and I'm like, I think I might be wrong. Like, I think Chase Brown actually is going to get, maybe not 95%.

Like, I mean, was it week, December 22nd over the Browns, he played 98.2% of the snap. So he came out for one play. Yeah. That's crazy. That won't. But again, I do think he actually will be an 85% snap guy. I want to see how August goes. To your point, Greg, yeah.

Chase Brown might have, like, he probably would have been ranked like 13th, four years ago. Yeah, and like receivers are much more inflated now in drafts. Running backs are kind of getting pushed down, which I think is why he's a little bit lower. His name brand is not popular at all. But I don't know. People speak, I mean, Burrow has spoken very highly of him. The offensive coordinator in Cincinnati, Dan Pitcher just said he's going to be a focal point of the offense. I'm just kind of like, I don't know.

Dan pitcher. Dan pitcher. I'm kind of just like, why wouldn't he be? I think that's a good call. And also it's a classic thing that always happens, which is guys who aren't that famous, people are a little afraid to take.

And he's not that famous, and he's a fifth rounder. And he's a boring name. It's all those overlapping things. Bengals, which are like, it's sexy, but like,

it's frankly, the person who had Chase Brown last year knows how good he is. But unless you had him in a different league, you probably don't. The other thing is, it's scary to take Chase Brown over T. Higgins. If you're just kind of casually, you know what I mean?

You're going to take the Bengals offense. And T. Higgins is there and you're like, yeah, I'm going to take Chase Brown. If you don't know much about Chase Brown, like, that's hard to do. Yeah. And just like, I don't know, if you're staring at like other running backs or other famous people, like, I don't know, even like Brees Hall, Devonty Adams. Like, yeah, it's just hard to select Chase Brown over Tyree Kill. Yeah. Tyree Kill, George Kittle, Devon, Mike Evans, are there.

And you're like, I'm going to take Chase Brown. But you're right. Like that's how Chase Brown falls. And then you're like, oh my God, I got Chase Brown in the fourth round, which is probably not a thing in like, you know, best ball. That's probably not going to happen. But like, yeah, people don't know what Chase Brown is. I think this is a really good one.

And again, I know that on one hand we're talking about a top 30 player. But this to me is the definition of this is the high end of a sleeper because people don't know who the fuck Chase Brown is still. In home leagues. Like you're getting a guy who was a top five running back in like the third round. Yeah, I like that. Again, and well, I think this is worth checking in in August to see just a, to confirm whether we still think he's going to get, you know, five out every six plays.

Because it's all takes. Yeah. I think my big picture to take is I agree with everything you guys are saying. I'm still just like, I just don't know if I fully believe that they're going to utilize them at that rate again. That's the thing. If you play 60%, you feel, yeah.

Is that the optimal way to do it? Maybe in their minds it is. The reason most teams don't do it is because you worry about guys getting hurt and wearing down as the season goes on. And so coaches are in a lot of cases. But they did not bring in anybody to like really help supplement. meant that. I mean, Moss, I mean, they did draft a guy, but he was late rounder.

And, but D.K., I had the same reaction, and then you know what I remembered? Who is the most old school team in the entire league in every way? I don't know. Who? I think it's the Cincinnati Bengals. Do you think they're the most old school? A hundred percent. The guy, the reason the Bengals are so old school, one, they're considered cheap, but it's because they don't have a billionaire family fortune. Quote, unquote.

Well, they're considered cheap, but it's because the guy who started the Bengals was Paul Brown. That's why the Cleveland Brown. Browns are named the Browns is Paul Brown coached him and then they booted him. So he started his own team in Cincinnati Bengals. Paul Brown was Belichick before Belichick. Paul Brown invented the fucking playbook. Like Paul Brown invented the huddle and like, and like calling plays and stuff. And so Paul Brown is like the most old school football.

Bill Belichick's favorite coach is Paul Brown. So the guy owns the Bengals is the grand is the son. He's related to Chase Brown. Yeah, he's related Chase Brown. Yeah. But he's this son of the most old school coach that's ever lived. And so they're that they have like. eight scouts or something because they just think a small motivated group of people is better than a 20.

They think 20 scouts will get lazy. So they have like, eight. Like they're just old school. I heard, you're not wrong with that. I heard Rich Rebar talking about this the other day, I think,

and it really hit home with me. And we should do a point of ranking of coaches who can't help themselves. And it's like Shanahan, McVeigh, it's the coaches that when the chips are down, like they don't trust anyone else. You know what I mean? and we have to figure out, I think, over the next couple of months,

or the next couple of weeks, I should say, how much does Zach Taylor trust any of these other running backs whatsoever? You know what I mean? Because if he doesn't, and odds are maybe he doesn't, then we're talking about like a huge, huge workload for Chase Brown. I think the one thing that's still kind of like sticking in the back of my mind is they brought back Zach Moss. I think there is, you know, like the Coach Speak Index

has been talking about how like they're barely mentioning him and Zach Moss and they're talking about Zach Moss after like Somaget P, Riontodge books, things like that. So that would be like a clue that maybe Zach Moss is just not in their plans this year. They could save $3 million by releasing him. And again, they restructured his contract coming off a neck injury. Right. So if Zach Moss leaves, then I'm like pretty convinced. And maybe the edge is just like assuming Zach Moss is not going to be here.

And that could be the case. But if Zach Moss is on the team to start the year, that makes me a little worried. Because last year, remember, like he was way out snapping Chase Brown. while Chase Brown kind of like learned the offense and stuff. And it was like a trust thing. But that was changing. The three weeks before Moss went down, Chase Brown was getting 57% of the teams rushing.

And Zach Moss is only getting 26. Right. My point is just like the trust factor. Like if the coaches trust Zach Moss to like be in at certain times, then that's going to hurt Chase Brown. I'm not saying that Zach Moss is going to be a starter or anything like that. I'm just saying it to me it's like we got to figure out how much Zach Taylor can't help himself.

I think that they, I was intrigued that Dan Pitcher told Ben Baby DSPN last December, they said the most consistent players in the Beggles offense are Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Chase Brown. However, D.K., you also, I think last year called Zach Moss Fanis, you called him glitter. Like, you never really goes away. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. I don't know if I said that.

I like glitter. I don't know. I think you said it. Maybe it was me. I don't know. I'll take credit for it because that's good. Okay. So basically, we think Chase Brown as a top 30 player is.

pretty good. Ultimately, yeah, I'm bullish on him too. Yeah. My dad nap guy, again, not exactly groundbreaking, but I have Justin Fields, the quarterback for the Jets, who again, I think is, you know, he's ranked all over the place. Like, there are sites that have them 80th. There are sites that have him 130th. But I think for the most part, he's going around, you know, 90th, 100th. We're moving them up on our rankings just because I'm going to move them up. But my quarterback strategy this year is very simple. I would like one of the top guys. I would like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hertz, Jaden Daniels. If one of those guys falls in me in round four, I'm not even blinking. I'm going to take them. And I will

strongly think about Josh Allen Lamar, it hurts and Jan Daniels in like the middle of the third round. The context, etc. But I would like one of those four. And if one of them don't fall to me, I'm not taking Burrow, Mahomes, Baker-Mayfield. I don't want a pocket passer 60th. I'm going to wait, 50 or 60 spots.

I'm going to take Justin Fields. 90th or 100th or whatever. Because frankly, like, when Justin Fields plays, he's good in fantasy football. This has been memory hold. I haven't heard anyone talk about this. I haven't heard anyone discuss this. But Justin Fields, when he played, the first six weeks last season.

Like last season, the first six weeks, if you just look at quarterbacks with the most fantasy points, it was Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Jaden Daniels, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and Justin Fields.

Justin Fields ran for five touchdowns in his first six games. Then he was benched because Tomlin wanted Russell Wilson to play and I think a lot of people in the Stewart's building wanted Fields, but Tomlin wanted Russ and then it was weird.

Fields is going to play, man. Like he's going to start for this team. Like he's the plan like this is, I still think it's an under discussed story that the Jets are just going into a season with Fields and Terrad Taylor. Like that's just so surprising to me. But it almost got buried by all the other news of like Darnal was that day.

Gina Smith was around then. And so it went under the radar. But Aaron Glenn, who's the head coach of the Jets, coached against Just Fields like eight times because he would same division with the Bears like they've seen Justin Fields. So they know what they're doing. And they want to run the ball. Like they want to run.

And I think there's an Eagles ask often not saying the Jets are the Eagles by any means, but like they want to be physically imposing. Justin Fields are going to have design runs. And I'm like, okay, what do we always talk about? The rules of fantasy football are stupid. A rushing yard's worth like almost three times more than a passing yard. And Justin, so I think in terms of floor, Justin Fields' floor is, it's hard to imagine Justin Fields scoring less than 10 points in a week with the amount of time he's going to be running.

Like, I mean, he'll do it. But the floor is high. If Justin Fields becomes a good passer, the ceiling is really high. But he can suck in real life and be great in fantasy football, which is what happened in 2023, or sorry, 2022. when Justin Fields had the second most rushing yards, any quarterback has ever had in a season. He did like 1,100.

I think it being 22 is important because I think Justin Fields only playing six games last year and being good. So like I had him on my fantasy team last year. I was aware that he was good. In the same way, as you mentioned, like people who didn't have Chase Brown, didn't think about Chase Brown, didn't realize that Chase Brown was good.

I kind of think it's the same thing with Fields a little bit where like he played six seasons, six games, then got benched. And now he's on the Jets. Like you want to talk about like stinky, sticker value. Like the name Justin Fields in general, it's just like Justin Fields equals bad quarterback.

And now he's on the Jets. If you're in a home league with friends, family, whatever, and you see Justin Fields, NYJ, I think a lot of people are going to be like, I'm good. Yeah, 100%. You like sneaking up around or maybe you don't even have to and taking Justin Fields, I do think that 2020 season, which at this point,

three years ago, is like borderline, I feel pretty confident that if he plays 17 games, that's going to happen. He's got a good offensive line. there's no real backup threat. Like I completely agree. It's just hard for me to imagine the guys going around Justin Fields are like, you know, Tucker Kraft on the Packers, Tyrone Tracy on the Giants. It's just so hard for me to imagine the reason you won your league being like, well, I drafted Tyrone Tracy 97.

Like that's hard for me to envision that world. But it's so Justin Fields being like, yeah, you know, I had Fields and you're like, yeah, I'll get you halfway there. It's not hard to imagine that. especially because it is so easy to just get a pocket passer to pair with them. And I feel that way so strongly, you get Fields. And if you're worried about it, get Jordan Love two rounds later. You get Trevor Lawrence. You get, C.J. Straub, like, you can get Justin Herbert.

Like, you just pair him with like a normal pocket passer. Or Gino Smith, you can pair him with. And so I think that, and you know, you have your Thunder Lightning. Fields is your crazy upside. You get a pocket passer. It feels sucks. And it's so easy to do. So the Fields is my, I want them mostly everywhere.

that isn't thinking about it. He's kind of the poster child of the Kamani code right now in terms of that's the Rich Rebar invented that years ago. And like just the cheat code that is quarterback rushing. He is right now, I think, the only guy that is really a good value based on like his upside on the Kamani code. And basically, well, him and Anthony Richardson. Which is my plan C is if I don't get fields, I want the normal.

I want an AFC South duo. I want C.J. Straub and Lawrence with Anthony Richardson, who is free and undrafted. And again, yeah, just to reiterate what you said, just to linger on it a little bit, he could suck at passing. And he's very likely going to. Which is weird. And it is weird taking a bad quarterback. It won't matter.

And it's the play. We joked, our first season we did the show, I think we talked about how Blake Bordles, it was like playing, but don't watch. Don't watch the game. Don't watch the Jigris play. Just played Lake Bortals. And Fields is like the poster child for that where it's like he's getting benched for his play. but he's a top six fantasy quarterback.

And they're like, yeah, it's because he's, he's six, four, two. It's like a Winkla Voss twin could run a four four. It's giant. He's a huge person. He's thick. He's built and he's faster than most, honestly, most safeties probably. Fields is as faster than most safety is in the NFL. Yeah, he's really fast.

So much between cornerback speed and safety speed. That is how fast Chessman Fields is. And so on a team that's going to let, have design run game, I just, I don't know. It's like, that's the point in your draft where it's like just swing. It's like the hundredth pick in the draft. Take Justin Fields. And again, if he sucks, who cares? And again, I'll spare everyone this rant, but it's the same thing with Anthony Richardson.

Where option A is great, get one of the great four quarterbacks. Option B is get Justin Fields. And if you miss Fields, take Anthony Richardson with your last pick. Like, it doesn't matter. It's your last pick. I can't think of a player that is more upside that's free than Anthony Richardson. He's not getting drafted in most places. So that's my thoughts like quarterback this year.

All right. Let's go to REM right now, which is more traditional sleepers. Because I know like Walker, Chase Brownfields, these aren't necessarily like classic sleepers or whatever. Greg, why don't you start us to give us like a REM sleep, you know, like a normal regular classic sleeper here. Yeah, I'm going to go with Calvin Ridley on the Titans. He's going outside the top 30 at the wide receiver position. And I think my whole, my whole basis around this, this pick is just like, what if Cam Ward is good?

Mm-hmm. I don't think anyone's talking about Cam Ward. I can't remember. First overall pick? I can't remember. How are you talking about? Cameron Ward? Never heard of quarterback out of Miami?

Yeah. The financier? I don't know. I can't remember less conversation around the number one overall pick that's a quarterback in the NFL. No one's talking about Cam Ward. If you look at what Calvin Ridley did last year

with Will Levis, you might on the service be like, all right, he had a mediocre season, which is largely true. However, DeAndre Hopkins was there for the first seven weeks of the season. After DeAndre Hopkins left, from week seven on, Calvin Ridley was on a 1300-yard pace. That's with Will Levis. And so I'm like, okay, he was the

wide receiver 23. over the last nine, ten weeks of the season, again, with Will Levis. So I'm like, the competition they brought in to me is very thin. It's still, it's 33-year-old Tyler Lockett. They have Van Jefferson. They still have Chigaconquo at tight end, and they drafted a couple fourth round-ride receivers. And I'm like, man, if Cam Ward is just solid, 13,400 yards for Calvin Ridley seems very plausible.

And like, what if Kim Ward is awesome? What if he walks in and has a C.J. Stroud like rookie season? And he's really good. The sky is the limit for, I mean, you're immediately like looking at a, a top 15 wide receiver in the league for Ridley, who is 30 years old. He's going to be 31 in December, I think. You know, he missed a year for the suspension. He hasn't missed a game since he's come back from the suspension.

I just think this is like a really boring under the radar guy catching passes from another under the radar number one overall pick where it's like, if these guys are just solid, I think this is an incredibly valuable pick. Craig, the other thing to add in here too is if Ridley's just his deployment and his utilization improves a little bit in the way that they put him on the field, have him run routes, get open, and that's always been his thing is he's a really good route runner. He can separate early in his

route. He can get open, catch everything in the short and intermediate area too. Last year they were using him basically like a deep receiver. And he could do that too, obviously, and he posted some good production other than, you know, touchdowns. But that offense was completely dysfunctional and they were basically just asking him to run

vertical routes way too much. And I think I could see that changing this year with the type of offense they're going to try run with Cam Ward. If you look at the numbers, air yards per target, Calvin Ridley. And so that means the distance of the throws downfield for average over his targets. He was fourth in the NFL among receivers with 20 receptions. The guys ahead of him, Alec Pierce, Christian Watson, Rashidjaheed, basically like, you know,

deep ball experts, guys that are just like running on play action and in a lot of ways doing win sprints for like most of the game. Those are the three guys that finished ahead of him in air yards per target. I think if you get him involved in the short and intermediate area a lot this year, like he could go over 100 catches. You know what I mean? And like that alone, like, Cam Ward doesn't have to be great. Just changing the way that you use him a little bit could be really, really good for Calvin Ridley.

I like to stick a lot. Jay G. Zaccarizen was talking on his show about how it's kind of a hard year to find quote unquote like sleeper receivers between like, you know, there's like a very clear top 10, top 12 receivers. And then there's kind of a lot of similarities from like the 14th receiver to like, the 40th receiver. Like there's a lot of similarities.

It's like a flat tier. And I think Calvin Ridley is the guy where I'm like, who's the guy no one's thinking about that could pop? Because of everything you're saying, Craig, and I think that it checks every box for an under the radar receiver.

Starting with the team, the Titans are boring and like love to the Titans, but the Titans are in Tennessee, nationally, like they're just a very, like, they're behind the University of Tennessee. You know, I think that school is in the blood and the Titans are just in the water. And then you look across the country

and like the Titans are honestly, last in terms of like penetrating the national consciousness. They don't have any famous players. They don't have a famous coach. They don't have anybody famous on the team. They don't have anyone famous. So like the Titans are just an easy team to miss. Cam Ward is an easy number one pick to miss.

And so you for like, and you know what? The biggest improvement the Titans did the off season other than quarterback was the offensive line. And so you have an offensive line that's going to go from the problem to think part of the solution that the best office line coach, Bill Callahan. Shout out to the reverse nepo. The dad, the son hiring the father. But like the reverse.

The reverse depot. expression. Rarely seen reverse NEPO, but it's not really NEPO because the dad is the best O-Line coach, and there's like a 30-year history of Bill Callahan, the year two jump and the offensive line is huge. And, you know, so I think Dan Moore Jr. left tackle, you're moving J.C. Leith in the right tackle, spear all the details. I think that, you know, you have the centers come back from Achilles, but other than that, like, I think that the offensive line is in a really good spot.

And that she makes everything better. And again, the thing I can't get over. All Cam Ward's talked about this off season since he got drafted is Calvin Ridley. He said, I like AJ Brown, but he's no Calvin Ridley. like you know what I mean Kevin really's still good he's still really good and Calvin really is forgettable

because he was behind Julio Jones so no one never talked about him then he got gambling suspension and he was just a meme so he's like a 31 but he's young 31 because he took a year off

three years ago even Arod when he got suspended at 38 a year off when you're a pro athlete and you get to train all you know to go back yes it's a big deal like it extends

people's careers actually sometimes so I think this is a great call Craig I like this one will rot a lot really's just a boring player and a boring team that if there's a worst to first team. Like the Titans could be the surprise playoff team this year. And Craig, your

whole thesis with like, what if Kim Ward is good? If Ward is good, maybe he could score double digit touchdowns too, in addition to all the volume that he's going to get. Well, I should also mention that Nick Westbrookickekekeke the guy who had nine touchdowns in the titles here is not there. Okay. DK, give us another like REM

sleeper here. So this guy, you know, his name just flies under the radar continually every single year. Jacoby Myers for the Raiders. Right now he's going, according to Fantasy pros, ADP 40th at receiver, wide receiver 40, which is kind of crazy to me because last year, he was a wide receiver 26.

And that was with Gardner, Minchew, Aiden O'Connell, and Desmond Ritter at quarterback. Last year, among receivers, he was 15th in targets and 12th in catches, Jacoby Myers was. He only had four touchdowns, obviously that, like, lowered his ceiling and fantasy. But I think going back, it's just proven, he's a good player. He has averaged 21% target rate over the last five seasons. He demands targets.

He gets targets wherever he is. is 22% last year. The competition for passing game volume in Las Vegas this year is Brock Bowers. You have Trey Tucker, who is more of a lid lifter, stretch the field guy. Like, he's playing a role to manipulate, like, the way that defense has played more than getting a bunch of targets. And then you have three rookies, Jack Bess, Dante Thornton, and Tommy Mellett, who was a quarterback in college, is getting some hype right now.

I don't know who's going to end up being sort of like the number three guy in Las Vegas. It's probably going to be just a combination of everyone else. else on the team. But I think it's going to be Bowers and Myers. And I think people are still underrating how much of a boost Geno Smith could give to this offense in terms of just efficiency, not necessarily volume, because peakerel is going to run the ball a lot. But efficiency converting in the red zone.

And I think it's going to be a lot of teams are going out there and just going to be bracketing Bowers because Bowers is a superhero. And that's going to leave Jacoby Myers, you know, one on one in a lot of cases, able to get open. I just think every year people kind of over. overlook him because he doesn't score a ton of touchdowns, but he's going to get a ton of volume this year in this like pretty concentrated passing game in Las Vegas. Yeah, I mean, honestly, similar to Calvin Ridley, it's like such an under the radar quarterback

upgrade. Yeah. That there's just, it's in a very popular, talented division. People are not really talking about the Raiders in that regard. I think, you know, Smith even is like weirdly underrated. He's going super late in drafts. I've always thought Jacoby Myers is good. But you're right.

The touchdown, I feel like you really need somebody to hit by scoring touchdowns. And honestly, he's not famous because he doesn't score touchdowns. I guess he was famous because he didn't have a touchdown. Yeah, he needed almost 40 games to score a touchdown. He was the longest ever. He has 20 touchdowns in six seasons, I believe. Which is not great. He's basically averaging three a year.

So he probably needs to get to like six or seven for this to actually pay off. But I don't disagree with you, D.K., that like the floor razor that Gino Smith and the plague calling and all that stuff is, I think this is a really, once again, unsexy pick. Yeah. You get Calvin Ridley and Gobi Myers later in draft. and like nobody's going to say a word. No.

Yeah, I agree. Honestly, we always do like the all boring team every year. And these are two those boring receivers. I think they're genuinely the two most boring players you could take in the top 40, 50 receivers are Calvin Redley and Jacob Myers. But yeah, the boringness is probably going to outweigh. I think there's also the underrated quarterback, underrated scheme, underrated offensive line improvements are,

I think it's a perfect storm. So, yeah, I like both these. any other REM sleepers. I have one more who I actually would argue is also kind of boring for how early this guy was picked. And it's Ted McMillan who's on the Panthers, who I loved him coming out of the draft. He was my favorite receiver coming out of the draft. I weirdly think for a guy who went eighth overall, he is flying a little bit under the radar. For sure.

And I think that's because like the Bryce Young, are we sure what we saw last year? It's the Panthers. Yeah. If it was the Bears, we'd be all. over it. Totally. And it's like, I don't know, Bryce was so bad for like a season and a half. And now it's like, all right, he had eight good games. Is this real? There's so much buzz around all these other year one, two, three quarterbacks, your Drake Mays, your Strouds, or even Bo Nicks, Michael Panics. But I'm like, man, talk about lack of competition, talk about a fit that was perfect,

bringing in a big guy like Ted McMillan to fit with Dave Canales, who was the architect behind Gino Smith's renovation, resurrection, the Baker Mayfield Reefield Resurrection. resurrection, and now the Bryce Young resurrection. That is all Dave Canales. And now it's year two in that system. When Bryce Young kind of got going last year from weeks eight on, he was like around the QB 15. And he was six in PFF passing grade. He had an incredible big time throw rate. And he was doing that to nobody. He was doing that to Xavier LaGette and Jalen Koker. And I mean, you, Teethlin. Billan is like. Yeah, feeling went off late too. Yeah. Sealing, sure. And all those guys are still

there. But like, they were desperately in need of like a number one. And now all those other guys Ligette and Coker and Thielen, I think, can succeed much better off as, like, ancillary pieces that can support the offense. And Tett, to me, is a guy who can just jump right in and get 130, 140 targets. And I personally think he's one of the most skilled players and one of the most gifted movers for his size that I've seen. This is like what Canales does with Mike Evans with Baker, I think could happen with Tett McMillan and Bryce Young. There's a funny thing happening because Tett McMillan's on average being drafted like 60th. and there's an irony that because Marvin Harrison Jr. slipped up to like a top 25 picks.

Some people took him like 18th, 19th, and the Marvin Harrison Jr. was disappointing. I think people are a little afraid to rank rookie receivers high. Totally. Which is ironic because all the other rookie receivers were awesome. Like Brian Thomas was incredible. Malik neighbors way outperformed where he was. You know what I mean?

Like for the most part, all the other guys that weren't, Brock Bowers, all the other guys that weren't Marvin Harrison Jr. did great. and so there's almost like a fear to rank Ted McEllon higher, even though last year it totally bared out. That was good because the headliner Marvin Henderson Judy to poorly. But Ted McMillan is probably like a very obviously good pick. He's surrounded by like, you know, Jalen Waddle or Calvin Ridley or people. But based on the history of rookie receivers, people are afraid of the Panthers.

People are afraid of the unknown of rookies. But yeah, Ted McMillan. Also, his mom wants people to go, he wants him to go by Tets Warroa or TEMAC. but I think he's clearly He's like, well he he doesn't give a shit his mom is like I named him Tetua Teteroa.

So she's like, Tetaroa, yeah, sorry, I can't. I'm not actually 100% sure I'm pronouncing that right. I listened to it three times and I'm like, I'm going to botch this. So I watched it. But TMA. I don't know.

There's just like no bus. T-bone. There's no conversation around him. It's like maybe he went to Arizona. I don't know. It's the panthers stink. I'll tell you why. Because it's the panthers are boring

and it's so hard to talk about Carolina because it is not interesting to say, yeah, the Panthers were good, but what if they suck again? Because no one wants to, it is really hard. I think one of the hardest things if you could do if you cover the NFL the season

is go full-throated into the season saying, the Panthers are going to be even better than they were last year. Like no one wants to be caught, honestly, in that position of the Panthers suck again. Like no one wants to like 100% say that the Bryce Young Renaissance is real. And because of that,

people are, it's like a little weird to talk about. I personally leaned toward, I think Bryce Young, I think, got frankly better coaching after he came back the second time when Andy Dalton was with the car accident. And I think he got his mojo back. He got his confidence as everything. He's 23. His girlfriend was dating Tyrese Maxi when Tyrese Max was super famous. He was tough time for Bryce Young.

Tough. Yeah. And then he started playing better. And I was like, yeah. Dika, you put it best. You're like, oh yeah, right. This is why I had him ranked so high. This is why a lot of people had him as the number one pick in the draft.

I had, Craig, I almost had tattoo. on this in terms of just like one of my favorite kind of in that range guys. But the other thing that's working in his favor and in Bryce Young's favor is the Panthers, according to Warren Sharpe's strength of schedule, have the seventh easiest schedule in the NFL. That's going to help a ton. I don't think we like obviously the schedule is very like, it varies week to week and maybe not always super predictive.

But like having an easy schedule helps so much. It helps so much for a quarterback in particular. It helps for like for the offense in general. if Bryce keeps developing, like, what if he's actually a little bit better than he was last year? I looked this up and this is obviously, it doesn't mean a ton, but in the eight, in the 10 games that he started last year after getting benched, he had 15 touchdowns and six bigs. That's a 26 touchdown pace over a 17 game season. That's what Mahomes through last year. Like, it's not out of, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could have 25, 30 touchdowns this season in a, on a team with an easy schedule that,

playing in probably a lot of like shootout type games. They're not going to be, you know, like super run heavy, probably. So I don't know. I think there's some value here just because of what people think of Bryce Young. And like you said, like Ted McMillan for being one of the top receivers in the draft. In our opinion, he was by far the top receiver in the draft. I guess other than Treff's Hunter, depends on how you define him. But, you know, there's just not much talk about him right now.

I haven't heard anything about him in like a couple months. Also, the Panthers defense gave up the most points ever. And so even if you fix that, it's still going to be bad. Like, bad would be an improvement for Carolina. So there's still a team that's going to be in an offensive position. Yeah, I think I'm like, all right. So my philosophy is just, I'm just going to bet on number one overall picks at quarterback throwing to receivers that have no other competition around them. Yeah.

Okay. I want to just, well, DK., do you have any other? I have just a list of running backs that I want to run through, so I speak. Yeah, this is like, are you talking like the really late round sleeper type deal? So I have one REM guy and then I have a bunch of. Choma guys. My REM guy, I'll just do quickly. It's just Ramandra Stevenson for the Patriots and it's really simple. I think he's been written off more than anyone. The unsexiest pick in the world. People have moved on from Ramandre Stevenson. They've decided he sucks. He's being Ramonji Stevenson.

I don't care for Job. They don't care for Joe. I don't love all my running backs equally. Yeah. Earlier that day. I, there are places I respect a lot that have Ramoncha Stevenson ranked like a hundred and twenty-third. Yeah. And I get that, but that's kind of what you rank guys when they're like 31. And Ramadja Stevenson is 27. And he had tough. There's no way that's right. Dude, I know.

There's no way that's correct. And so it's this weird situation where everybody expects the Patriots offense could get better. People expect the offensive line to be better. The quarterbacking to be better. The coaching to be better. And yet Ramonjie Stevenson is in some ways going 40, 50, sometimes 60 spots after Trevian Henderson, who was the second run pick out of Ohio State that Patriot drafted.

And yet, would you be surprised even at least? little if Ramonja Stevenson outscored Trevianne Henderson in the first half of the season? Yeah, this is something that Nathan Yonke from PFF has been really hitting hard lately, or I don't know, just since the draft. And basically, Josh McDaniels, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think it's one season

in all of the seasons he's either been an offensive coordinator or a head coach. And it's like 16 or 17 years or whatever it is. He's had one, he's had one, like a non-committee running back situation. Basically, he's had like a workhorse running back in one season out of all those years. Basically, it's usually an early down lead, quote unquote, lead back guy and then a

pass catching third down specialist, passing game specialist. And he always kind of likes to have that mix. Remandre's still there. Remandre is probably going to get goal line looks, you know, because he's a quote unquote bigger back. And yeah, I mean, I think we like the fact that we've all kind of moved on from Ramondre, like Trayvon Henderson's exciting, all that stuff. But he's still probably going to get a lot of, a lot of carries.

in this offense. And that's the thing. And again, Trevin Henderson, he's still a rookie. And to be clear, I think the two most high, the most unruicky-like rookies,

other than Tyler Shuck, who's 26. The most unrukey-like rookies are the two Ohio State guys. It's Emeka Bucca, and it's Trevind Henderson. I wrote this down from Sam Presti, the GM of the Thunder when they won, he said this on the podium, accepting the trophy.

And I wrote it down because I thought it was awesome. And about how the Thunder are such a young team and how did you do this? And Sam Presti said, ages and number, sacrifice and maturity are characteristics. And I think if you look at Trevi on Anderson and Emukabuka, I'm like, those guys are young, but they are like the sacrifice

and maturity. Like they have the characteristics to be good quickly. So I'm not trying to say Trevin Anderson won't be good. However, he's still a rookie. And I think that it's okay to say I think Henderson might succeed, but also maybe that's the second half of the year. And so I just, I'm not even saying I like Ramonji Steven's so that much. I'm not even saying I buy it at the Patriots being a rebound playoff team.

But if I had to pick someone in the top 130 where I'm like, that price, the quote, unquote, market is decided. Yeah, he's just wrong. Like, it's just wrong. Like, Ramandre should probably be going, he's going to 30 or 40 spots after Jalen Warren. That doesn't make any sense to me. I pulled up the stat here from Nathan Yankee. In 17 of 18, McDaniels seasons either as offensive coordinator or the head coach.

The running back who leads the team in rushing attempts is not the same one who leads the backfield in third down snaps. So it's always a de lenientation. Has he been an offensive coordinator for 18 seasons? He got the bonkers job in 2010. Yeah. Like the late odds. He was, he was, Josh McDaniel. is supposed to be Sean McDaniels.

Like, Josh McDaniels was hired at 31, 32. Like, he was supposed to, John Gruden was like the guru, you know, John Gruden was how old, when he, back when 40 was young. He was the young guy who won a Super Bowl, and then Toml won Super Bowl. And McDaniels was supposed to be the next, like, crazy young, like, Giffin 2. But, like, Josh McDaniels got. He was the OC for the Patriots in 2006. That is, and that, yeah, 2007, the undefeated team.

But McDaniels, a great story. There's a book behind me by Seth Wickersham, better to be feared. And there's a story in there. Because you know, Josh McDaniels, like, got the Colts job and then took back because Jim Urs like kind of passed out or whatever in his bathroom for like 90 minutes. And his Josh McDaniels wife was like, I don't know if you should work for this guy. And, but anyway, there's a story in there about how Josh McDaniels got the Broncos job in 2009, in 2010, what it was 2009. And Belichick is like, because, again, Josh McDaniels coordinated the best offense we'd ever seen in 2007.

And so Belichick was like, all right, I'll help you. Which he didn't always help you with interviews. and Belichick writes down, he takes two pieces of loose leaf paper, and he writes down front and back on both. Here are all the questions you should ask ownership about the job. And it's four pages of questions.

Wow. And later, Pat Boland, who's since past, said that he couldn't believe the detailed, oriented nature of Josh McDaniels, and he's like, look at this guy thinking through, I can't believe he thought so much about the job. He just read what fucking Bill Belichick said. He gave him the answers to the quiz.

Answers to the test, shockingly, couldn't do it his own without the answers to the test. He chat GPTed it. He chats, yeah, really. Just shockingly was not prepared for the job. Anyway, sorry, that's a long tangent. But yeah, I think Remaugh-Stan's a good value. I'm sort of always, I've always been a Rommandre believer.

He needs to stop fumbling. He does. And he fumbles, Rabel's going to bench his ass, but that's, let's pretend. That's not what's priced in. People are not out here ranking him low because he fumbled. Like, people are ranking him low because he sucked last year and people forgot about him. Anyway, I just want to roll through some other names. faster than that conversation of just like

buckets of running backs I'm targeting late. It's July 21st we're recording this like we'll sharpen which of these guys who want but handcuffs to the elite running backs, the backups that if someone gets hurt, Sequin Barkley cover of Madden, fiduciary duty to rank this person higher. Will Shipley who actually

at 250 touches his junior year at Clemson. So there is a three down possibility Will Shipley, which I kind of thought Aegee Dillon might get it, but I kind of think Will Shipley is the guy behind the Sequin. Isaac Wrendo in San Francisco. I feel like we have drafted the San Francisco running backs backups high for so long. And then now Jordan Mason is gone to the Vikings.

Elijah Mitchell has gone to the Chiefs. And yet somehow Isaac Wrendo is not going that high. And Christian McCaffrey with the bilateral Achilles tendonitis, you're like, Isaac Wrendo is probably good value. Jordan James too. And Jordan James, but he's a rookie. And I'm like, the Shanhan-Hen McVeigh, there's a perfectionism. Like they just don't want those first year guys to play if they can help it.

And so I think Garendo is the guy and will be the guy if McAfee gets hurt. And then Tyler Al Jir behind Bichon Robinson, who I don't think Bichon's necessarily a lock to get her. It's like McAfri's sake when he's younger. But Tyler Al Jir ran for 1,000 yards when he was a rookie. So it's really, there's no other backups where you're like, yeah, that guy can obviously has a track record of doing it. So Tyler Al Jow does.

The other guys that want to shout out the year two running backs, who didn't do a ton last year, but I think are underrated. Ray Davis on the bills, who has the size for goal line work, the hands to catch passes. And when James Cook went down, James Day, Ray Davis had 23 touches for like 150 yards and multiple touchdowns. It was like good too, yeah.

He's, if all the starters get hurt, Ray Davis is the guy where I'm like, that's an elite offense and he's probably getting all three downs. Like, that's crazy. To a lesser extent, Jalen Wright in Miami, I think could be like the Rahe Moster backup. I'm not as excited about him as Ray Davis, but he might have an easier path to playing time

because Rahe Moster left Miami. Trey Benson and Arizona who did nothing. But I do think he'll have more of a role this year. That's a low bar because Trey Benson barely played. But I think Trey Benson actually, he basically red shirt and that's fine because he was raw, Ike, you love Trey Benson in the draft. And I'm curious to see, oh, but you just did the pull your shirt.

So that means you don't like me more. It's a science. I'm not going to get out of here. Out on Trey Benson. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Trey Benson's rookie season. Not what anyone was hoping for.

Out on Trey. I did. Not what you wanted to see. Not what you wanted to see. Okay. There was a few plays he flash, but he needs to do a lot better than what he did as a rookie. All right. Cut him down.

Last guy I want to say, I know I'm renting, but I think people just want names in these sleepers things. This is the grossest of the most disgusting names. Okay. Miles Sanders for the Dallas Cowboys. This is another one where I just think the market's wrong. I'm not even saying Miles Sanders will be good, but Miles Sanders is not drafted. It might just be the starting running back for the Cowboys

because there's an assumption by the quote-unquote market that Giovante Williams will be the starter for Dallas. Miles Sanders will be the backup. Jaden Blue, the fifth rounder is going to be third and Phil Maugh for the seventh round is four. Phil. Phil? Phil. Phil? Phil? Phil?

So anyway, Jaden Blue, there's a guy who, Jade and Blue is apparently the work ethic is in doubt at this point in time. Fair or not, that is the word going around Dallas. And then if you look at the Dallas Cowboys website, which is not Cowboys.com, by the way, which there's a funny story about that. We can do another time. Where does that go again? Is it like a stripper thing?

Yeah, I was like male strippers or something. Now the domain's dead. Yeah, the Cowboys don't have Cowboys.com. That was like the wicked thing. You remember that? Wicked? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wicked was like a sex toy company or something? It's available for sale. There was something wicked dolls and then like the wicked.com took you to like a sex toy website. Oh and then oh yeah the official wicked merch went to wicked.com with the QR code but that was a porn site. Oh my god that was bad. It was like kids. Yeah, brutal. Oh, that's a good one. Emails at ring your fancy football gym.com. Should we do

like websites that aren't owned by who you think would own them? That was the thing with pro football focus. They didn't have PFF forever. It went to the Pakistani Football Federation. Oh wow. For like 15 years it took them. They didn't have pff.com. Yeah, email us things like the wicked dot com or Cowboys don't have Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys.com. Anyway, the writers at Dallas Cowboys.com, which I don't always go to the team websites for stuff.

But they're sitting there like, who's going to be running back? And they're like, I don't know. Could be anyone. We'll have to see. Like, they're not sitting there saying Giovante Williams. Some people say Miles Sanders, but they're like, we will see. So I think this is a coin flip of whether it's Javonti and Mal Sanders. I think Jadden Blues out of the running.

Phil Mof is the seventh round. They're not going to do it. So I'm not saying I believe the Mel Sanders. He sucks. Phil. Phil. Phil Mafa? But yeah.

Point being, Miles Sanders. Just might be the starting running back. He's not being drafted anywhere. He is outside the top 220. Like he's not being selected. And I kind of think he just might start. So that's gross. But he just started.

I don't. Anyone else, D.K., before we- Well, along the same lines in terms of just like uncertainty in the backfield rotations and doubts whether the starter is any good or not. I'm going to talk about the bears. Roshan Johnson for the Bears, who is ostensibly the backup to Dandre Swift right now. Dandre Swift has had one of the weirdest careers, man.

He obviously started out as a second rounder in Detroit, had a chance to catch a game-winning play on his, I think it was his first game or one of those first games. Week one. Dropped it. Game over. And he's never been the same again, I don't think. I forgot he was on the Eagles for a year.

I just, like, completely forgot that. So that was a thing. His LinkedIn profile's tough. You're like, you change jobs a lot. We're projecting that Dandre Search is going to be the starter. And he probably will be. But the exercise here is like, what if he's not? then you got to go find these guys

that could be diamonds in the rough. And I think Rochon Johnson, big physical downhill guy, he's actually pretty good in the passing game as well. And if Ben Johnson turns out to be who we think he is, like he's in that Sean McBayleam-Cohen, I guess like category of guys who can absolutely elevate an offense

that doesn't seem to be all that talented or maybe just struggled the previous year. If Ben Johnson really is that guy, this offense for the Bears could be a lot better. I actually saw this. The PFF rank. the Bears, their number four offensive offensive line in an article from a couple

weeks ago, which I just did not expect to see that. They had Braxton Jones and Darnall Wright both. Wait, sorry, PFF ranked the Bears. What number? Fourth. Number four. That is wrong. Which I was surprised to see. That's wrong. For 2025 what? Yeah,

for 2025. It might be wrong. Correct. But they liked the offseason edition. So basically Braxton Jones, Darno right at tackle. They traded for Joe Tunney. They signed Drew Dahlman, who ranked really highly in PFF overall grade, if Jonah Jackson can get back healthy and back to his old form, basically their theory is like if all these guys come together

and play like they've graded them in the past, this will be one of the better offensive lines. I don't know if I buy that, but I just thought it was interesting. And again, this is an exercise in what if these teams aren't exactly what ADP is expecting these players to be. And if DeAndre Swift ends up in the doghouse or just gets hurt, which has happened before in his career,

I think Rochon Johnson probably be the next man up. They don't have many other guys. The only addition they made in this offseason was drafting a 7-thron rookie. And Johnson, Rochon Johnson is basically free. If he plays that David Montgomery role as like the big back in that backfield, I just think it's a ton of value with where he's getting drafted.

Do you think it's awkward between Ben Johnson and DeAndre Swift? It's like a curb bit like him coming back and now like them being reunited again. I mean, literally Ben Johnson's first year calling plays for the Lions, he had Jamal Williams and DeAndre Swift. They were like okay at running the ball. The next year, both those guys get shipped out. They bring in David Montgomery and Jemir Gibbs.

And then they're incredible. Yeah. And now it's like, hey. You get. You get. Phil? Phil? Connors?

I think, D.K., you're right. And in a nutshell, either Deiontius Swift is too low or Rochon Johnson's too low. You should probably just draft them. Totally. It's hard to imagine Rocheon Johnson not having a role in Deandre Swift being properly ranked or vice versa. One of those guys is going to be super. underrated. Yeah, that's really good.

We have our updated rankings coming out this week at fancy football. com and the whole thing's getting a little facelift. So check that out there. And again, subscribe to us on YouTube, Ring and Fantasy Football. We've got some emails right now. But any other guys you want to hit, we want to do some emails.

All I got. Let's do some emails. All right. Emails it is. So another thing we're doing, we're relaunching in the Ring of Fantasy Football League. So we're getting Bill Simmons. We're getting Mallory Rubin, Sean Fennacy, Chris Ryan.

Like, we're getting all the people, Cousin Sal. Am I supposed to say these names or are we keeping this? Well, don't hold us to these, but yeah. Most likely all of those people. Yeah, just bleep them out, Kai. It's fine. We'll believe, yeah, yeah. But we're trying to figure out the terms of the league, including most importantly the punishment.

So we asked you guys for punishments for the Ringer Fantasy Football League. Thank you so much because so many people sent them in. We're going to do a mailbag later in August. We're going to like decide what the punishment is. We're going to read like the best 30 punishments on a mailbag, maybe with Bill on the show and decide once in front. what is the punishment for this league. And we were asking for appropriate-ish punishments.

Punishments that people with children at Bill Simmons, these people would actually do. Yeah, so it's like Danny Kelly cannot do 24 hours in a waffle house. He has a son. I mean, it's less about me and more about. How are we going to convince the bosses to do this? Well, it's like no one's going to do the 30 rack challenge. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sean Fennacy is not going to, like I like to joke like 9-99. I don't think Sean Fennessey is going to eat nine hot dogs and drink nine beers in a baseball game. You know, it's tough, especially that would be awesome. it's great. So anyway, we asked for emails within these parameters.

It's so easy to read the emails and tell how old people are. It's so easy. But email and ring your fancy football journal. I want to read one particularly good one that stood out to me

in and all the others that I thought was really funny. This one is from Michael. Mike. Mikey. Mickey. M bone. Mike writes

D bone, D bone and C bone. Double D bone. Double D bone. That sounds weird. Double D bone. Excuse. Two D's.

M. Bone writes, last year my high school home league of 17 years implemented a punishment for the first time. Last place has to eat two cold cans of soup. Awful. So salty. Mike says, naturally, I came in last. I took two cans of Campbell's chicken and rice to the. the face.

And the growing prospect of having to do this as the season went from bad to worse made this a terrific punishment. And each loss they spent weeks agonizing

over the decision of what soup I should choose if I would eat it from a bowl, straight from the can should I chug it from a cup. We also had a weekly weedy punishment with the lowest score

each week had to chug two beers as quickly as possible. Please consider these rules for your league this year. What's the, isn't the Campbell's just tomato soup one?

Doesn't it when it's not warm? Doesn't it just kind of come out like, it just like slinks out in like can. Like cranberry sauce? Yeah, exactly. I think, I think we should. I think two cold cans of soup is good. And I think honestly, we should get to pick it. Like, I think Bill hits Sal with a, like a subway sandwich like 10 years or 50 years.

You mean we get to decide the kind of like a broccoli cheddar and a can or something nasty? Yeah, like clam chowder. Yeah. I don't, do you think they would do that? Maybe they would do that. You know, yes. You know why? I think it's the grossest thing I can think of.

I think of a reason. Two is two. much. But it's soup. That's no, but it's soup. It's like one can, I see why they came to two cans. I will say Bill famously loves soup. He does love soup. That's why I think it's so funny. This is a reward. He might do

this already. Bill just doesn't heat up the suit. It's like cryo for soup. What do you guys think is the best soup to drink cold? It's got to be tomato soup because it's basically tomato juice. It's a V8. It's like a bloody merry without the other stuff. I know. It's not chicken soup. I don't want to be chewing.

I don't want to chew anything. If I can drink it. I think soup cold is like fine. I don't think that's... Chicken corn chowder. Can you imagine? A nice cold minisk. I think we should get to decide.

Because you know why? It's gross. It's the perfect mix of gross, but also like, okay, that's food. Like that's not like unhealthy. Yeah, you're not going to like shit your pants. Yeah, it's soup. Like, get over it. It's a good bit.

That's not bad. It's not bad. Shitting your pants later. I don't know why, but I like that. Wait, how long have they been doing the soup thing? Or is this a recent development? No, 17 years. And this is why I like it.

Because you can tell like a bunch of guys in their mid-30s came up with it because they have kids and stuff now. So it's like they're all 35 and it's their first year with a punishment. And that's why it really fits the bill because it's like, you can't say anything to get out of it. That's what I like. Sorry, I can't eat the soup. Why?

I think it should be like they should have to drink it on whatever podcast they host. It's just an open can sitting on the desk. Oh my God. And they have to sip it like it's a mug. There we go. It's coffee. Oh my God. That's good.

Yeah. So email to ring infancy football at gmail.com if you have any of their punishment ideas. I would also say everyone just has a different version of you have to host the rewatchables

with like a bad movie. Not happening. Yeah, I know. I don't think it's happening. Also, some would say that's already happening every week. Heyo!

Check out species out tonight. 1995. Crazy movies. Yeah. Love that movie. Wow. I bet you do, you little freak.

I bet you do, you sicko. You knew. exactly what I was talking about, Craig. Some great clips in that movie. Immediate reaction. There's nobody who's like, species is really a phenomenal

film. Oh, my God. It's memorable. Having watched it when I was in my early teens or whatever. It made a lot of money in the 90s when internet porn was not a thing. That's funny.

Okay. I'll check it out. Let's check it out for the plot. Yeah. Yeah. God. I, the other thing, The other funny one,

because a lot of people were like, do a rewatchable is a bad movie. Someone's like, the losers should do the rewatchables and it should be their favorite movie, but they don't get to say anything. They just sit there for two hours. Actually, that's good.

And they can't say anything. That one I thought was creative. That's very funny. I will say, I would probably try to move away from programming the rewatchables. It's very difficult to do. If you have a funny idea,

odds are it's not going to happen, but feel free to take your shot. It's still fun to talk about. Because Ryan's been trying to get Sicario for five years on the rewatchables. He can't do it? Oh, my God. Yeah, so send non-rewatchables related punishment ideas. But thank you to everyone to send them in.

They're so funny. Species. Okay. A couple other eagles. Species or species? I say species. Species. Species.

Species. Yeah, probably species. That's like how people say human instead of human. Like Al Michaels says human. Yeah. You know, that's like a real old guy thing. Yeah. Um,

I want to read something about a horse, but you guys kept doing the, the, the, the, the, the field of, the,

the, I had an email from Zach here that's a theory about groundhog day. Sure. Okay. The movie or the, the yearly holiday? Well,

the movie. Okay. Uh, so, Zachie. Last episode, Dan, you kept quoting

Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day. Ned? Phil? So, anyway, Zach sent a very long Reddit post that basically there's a theory that in the movie Ned Ryerson is the devil.

Yeah. Oh, right. I've seen that. We discussed this on the rewatchable. This is one of the better like movie theories that's not actually true, but could be ever. Could be.

Yeah. And basically the idea that he's actually trying to like, he trapped Phil there because he was mad on the first day and then he does life insurance and he's trying to buy his soul from Phil. And it is great. I think it's a really good theory. Yeah. How did I mention that?

Yeah. And it was at the very end of the movie. It's like once he's nice to Ned is when he like breaks the cycle and gets out of it. Okay. Yeah. Flakeate the devil. That's the theme. That is the lesson.

The devil just wants you to be a good person. Yeah. Greg. Biblical scholar. That's the gist, right? Okay. We got so many email. D.K. said on the last episode that his dog was more athletic than secretary.

God. One of the best takes he's ever made. I think it's the actual hottest take Dekis ever said. We got a lot of emails about Deke's dog. People had a problem with that. People had a problem with me saying that George is more athletic than secretariat. It's just like in general, like pet arrogance has gone too far in our society. And we need to fucking cool it.

Not everyone's dog is the greatest dog that's ever existed. Craig, as many of my friends know, I don't think George is the greatest dog of all time. Just more athletic than secretary. If we're going there, DK is the only person who got a dog in COVID. That was a mistake. And DK. kind of admits it. I'm just saying it's a really terrible mistake to get a dog if you have a baby. Don't do it or not a baby.

Calvin was like two or something like that. It's a terrible idea. Okay. Don't do it. It's all. It's honestly really good advice. George is kind of a maniac. I love him.

But he's a maniac. What about right now? What is Calvin? Five or six years old? Would you do it right now? Did you get a dog now for him? Yeah. That's a decent eight.

Six is like he can handle himself. Yeah, yeah. For the first like three years of George's life or two years of George's life, they couldn't be alone together because there was a power struggle there. So that just made my life even more annoying. Power struggle. You can't leave your dog alone at all. Yeah, that's tough.

It's tough. He's chilled. You could have taken him to the track where he could have kicked secretary a ass. I mean, if he was like, if he was running a lot, like, if we were training him to be a whole, like a horse race, he probably would be a lot better he'd be tired more often so we got a lot of emails about this but the one I'm going to read us from Harris

God Harris Breakfast was Breakfast was a Costco muffin banana and energy drink That's a lot This guy's ready for anything That's wild

That's like Costco muffin Banana and a thousand cramping It's like a thousand galleries Yeah That's true So Harris says DECA completely lost the plot On this discussion

And eventually drag Aronious I'm just kidding. The greatest athlete discussion, which is what the question was, whether Secretariat should be considered one of the greatest athletes in American history. The greatest athlete discussion is not talking about who is the most athletic. It is about the most accomplished individual within the context of their sport. When you have overall rankings somewhere, Tom Brady's in the discussion.

No one would say, describe Tom Brady by saying athletic, yet he's one of the greatest athletes. And the discussion to include secretary or not because of athletic relative to humans or cheetahs is ridiculous. It's about the dominance in the context. of a sport against his quote-unquote peers, who secretary beat by 31 lengths, bringing a cheetah into the discussion is idiotic. While a cheetah may be athletic, it does not use it in the context of cheetah-related competitions.

This guy is fun at parties. You're absolutely right, Harris. I concede that it was ridiculous, and I lost the plot, but it was fun. Also, I don't think the original emailer specified all of this. You are specifying it for yourself, which I think is fair.

But he didn't make these distinctions. Okay. Well, last email here he's good at parties. We're just moving on. This was fun yet. Well, no, we're not really. This is Silas. This is Silas. Silas is good at Pondis.

Silas just sent a Wikipedia article. Okay. A Wikipedia article to Staff Sergeant Reckless. Wet Reckless, if you will. Just Staff Sergeant Reckless. Was a decorated war horse. Staff sergeant? Staff sergeant.

He was a staff sergeant. He was a staff sergeant. He was a staff sergeant. Promoted several times. Yes. Oh, we got a purple heart. Staff Sergeant Reckless is a decorated war horse who held official rank in the United States military. A Mongolian horse mayor, the horse was purchased in Seoul, South Korea in October 1952 for $250 from a Korean stable boy who needed money to buy an artificial leg for a sister. Christ.

There's a whole movie right there. A lot going on here. Yeah. Reckless was bought. There's a lot going on here. Reckless was bought by members of the U.S. Marine Corps and trained to be a pack horse. force for the recoiless rifle platoon, the anti-tank company,

Fifth Marine Regiment, First Marine Division, and she quickly became part of the unit, was allowed to roam freely through camp, entered Marine barracks and tents, and would sleep in their tents at cold nights, and was known for her willingness to eat anything, including scrambled eggs, beer, Coca-Cola, and one-time $30 of poker chips.

Twist my arm, Coca-Cola, beer, and eggs. Give me a break. And then, yeah, goes on and on, yes. Staff Sergeant Reck... So I have for breakfast. Staff Sergeant Reckles An ideal night. Coca-Cola beer.

During the battle for Outpost Vegas, in a single day, she made 51 solo trips to resupply multiple front-line units, was wounded in combat twice and was given

the battlefield rank of corporal in 1953 and then promoted a sergeant in 1954. It was also the first solo trips? So this horse is taking it on himself to like resupply the plight. She's gendered the horse.

Sorry, herself. Come on. Jesus. Right, mayor. How dare you. Homer. And then the surgeon was his mother. Horses can be women, D.K.

Yeah. So anyway, so anyway, Staff Sergeant Reckless ended up getting awarded two Purple Hearts, a Marine Corps good conduct medal included in her presidential unit citations,

and Life magazine recognized her as one of America's 100 all-time heroes. Wow. Okay. So wait, what's the point? It was just a horse. It was athletic.

Who is the horse in War Horse? And I feel like it should have been Staff Sergeant Reckless. Would you say? Who's the horse in War Horse? Who's that about it? I don't know. I didn't see it. Me neither. It looked boring.

It seems up for Alley. On this side, it's a terrible title. Spielberg. Irish War. No, this is not. This is a different horse. It's directed and produced by Stephen's. feel work, Craig.

I know. I'm aware. Didn't call to me. But who is this horse? And is he better than... It's set before World War I. I'm surprised they were using horses in the Korean War. I know.

It's why. And amphibious landings, they're using horses. I still keep with cops use horses. Dude, we're on Bourbon Street for the Super Bowl. And I'm just walking through all this horse shit. I'm like, Burbank Street for the Super Bowl, they had APCs, they had the National Guard. They had so much security.

And I'm like, why do we do? the horses shitting everywhere as if Bourbon Street isn't disgusting enough. Why are there horses

shitting everywhere on Burbank Street? Do we really need horses? Intimidation factor. We're holding on in the past there. We need to get rid of that.

It's just, they only need the horses. Oh my God. Anyway, I'm not trying to lose the horses. What was the name of war horse? I can't find the horse's name a war horse.

Is war horse a hoax? Who is the horse in war horse? Eddie Med, I don't get him. Let's see here. not a thing. What does Eddie Redmayne have to do with anything? He's in the movie War Horse.

Oh, is he? Yeah, isn't he the star? I don't think so. Oh, I'm in the Wikipedia. Oh, never mind. It just one lied. It had been rumored that Eddie Red Man had been cast, but I was wrong. No. It's a joke. Craig, the name of the horse is Joey.

Joey. Jaybone. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Maybe the loser of the fantasy league has to watch War Horse. The Fantasy League has to become a horse guy. Or girl. You got multiple horses, horse guys, and girls emailing us about your horse games.

I feel like we're going to get a lot of emails about how War Horse is good. Yeah. Probably. All right. There we go. Email us. Yeah. So email us punishments for the Ring of Fantasy Football League.

Email us places that don't own the website. you think they would own or funny product recalls where they like the wicked thing. Email us. Yeah, I'll always take horses. I'll always take animals that were awarded military awards,

I think is my favorite. Animals that quickly rose up the ranks accomplished animals. Animals that made highly ranked horses and animals. Staff sergeant. There are people who did not make that rank. He's fucking bossing around sergeants.

Oh, well, is anyone listening? She is, D. D.K. I'm damn it. Sorry. You're right. Come on. I'm sorry.

Come on. You can't get our podcast canceled because you keep misgendering the fucking horse. It's my bad. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you to Staff Sergeant Reckless for your service. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Krellas.

Thank you, everyone for emailing us. Thank you, everyone emailed them the punishments. They're really funny. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, America. Nice. A horse with no name is the famous song.

You crushed that. That was great. That was great. You brought it all. together. That was incredible. That was really funny. It's a good song. It's a great song.

Sorry. Yeah, sorry for the whole George thing. I'm sure we got a lot of emails about that. I was kidding. George is not that athletic. I was really, I bet this guy's getting a party. I mean, in an ultimate scheme of things, he's not even remotely the most athletic dog ever. Right. It's just probably around average. You see the meme of someone like

It's like a dog of on their screen Like you're looking at the dog show on And they're looking at their dog And you're like, why can't you do that? And the dog grabs the remote And turns on YouTube and puts on the Olympics And it's like, why can't you do that bitch? Do you guys ever see the

The meme thing where it was like two people put their hands in And they have their dog sitting next to them And then the dog puts the hand on He was trying to do that all weekend with my mother and most dog We spent all weekend trying to do that We tried it with Georgia didn't work he just looked at us like we were crazy which I like the dog that like attacks the hands

there's one that's just like those are the best all right goodbye everyone