The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy WR Rankings, Tiers, and Fears

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

LIVE SHOW in Seattle on August 21: Click below for tickets! The guys walk through their wide receiver rankings, place the players in tiers, and address their most pressing fears from The Ringer’s 2024 Fantasy Football Rankings (2:09). Later, they react to the news that Florida International University is naming their football stadium after Pitbull (57:27). Tickets: https://www.ticketweb.com/event/the-ringer-fantasy-football-show-the-crocodile-tickets/13718233 Tier 1: Tyreek Hill and CeeDee Lamb (2:42) Tier 2: Amon-Ra St. Brown, Garrett Wilson, and A.J. Brown (5:05) Tier 3: Justin Jefferson and Ja’Marr Chase (8:35) Tier 4: Deebo Samuel*, Cooper Kupp, Davante Adams, Mike Evans, Nico Collins, and Puka  Nacua (11:33) Tier 5: Brandon Aiyuk, D.J. Moore, Chris Olave, Michael Pittman Jr., Drake London, and Jaylen Waddle (18:34) Tier 6: Marvin Harrison Jr., DK Metcalf, Amari Cooper, DeVonta Smith, Stefon Diggs, Tank Dell, Malik Nabers, George Pickens, Keenan Allen, Tee Higgins, Christian Kirk, Calvin Ridley, Chris Godwin, and Zay Flowers (28:01) Tier 7: Terry McLaurin, Hollywood Brown, Diontae Johnson, Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice, Christian Watson, Josh Palmer, and DeAndre Hopkins (36:45) Tier 8: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Jordan Addison, Rome Odunze, Ladd McConkey, Tyler Lockett, Xavier Worthy, Brian Thomas Jr., and Jameson Williams (48:58) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We do this because when we put our rankings out, it's like they're all in order and it's like, you know what? A lot of them, kind of the same. So we're going to bucket the guys where it's like potato, potato, potato, tomato, tomato. I'm not the pronunciation guy. So fantasyfutball.com has our rankings, but we're also going to figure out the tiers that'll be there right now. D.K. Yeah. Are there more good receipts?

What was that? That was crazy. He sounded like Calvin. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. He says, sure. Sure a lot.

Sure. We saw Calvin last week and he walked out to me and he said, great to see you again. Like a young man. Like a little professional. We were in L.A. last week for a live show and your five-year-old just talked for 20 minutes about every kind of whale. And I was like, I didn't learn any of this.

I don't know what I did. He knows a ridiculous amount. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But does he know about wide receivers? Yeah. No.

Not yet, but he will soon. He knew more about just like sea life. He was talking to us about what certain animals eat all the time. Hyphus was learning a ton. It was amazing. Yeah, he really kind of was tapped into like the basic. The sea water. The relationship.

The otter urchin kelp wall protecting the keystone species from sharks. He was like all over that. I was kind of nuts. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know. He should chill. Anyway, we're going to do receivers. The keystone guys to start.

But we're going to go through. And I feel like there are more good receivers than ever. like I just you know I love that meme like Smush Parker could run circles around Oscar Robertson like that's just the flow of time people get better and it's like around the league and I feel like there's 20 guys that would have been a top five receiver 20 years ago like everyone's so skilled so I don't know I feel like team is just there are so many good players so it's weird to break them down but we're going to go through all these tiers and again the reason we do this is just when you're on the clock tick tick tick like we just want to make it easier for you so we're

going to bucket these guys so you know you know what to worry about what not to starting with tier one which I think can basically be, could you guys take these players first overall with a straight face? And I feel like it's just Tyreek Kill and Cediland. Tyreek for the Dolphins, Cid Lane for the Cowboys. Correct. Do you have any qualms with that? No, I think these two guys are the only two wide receivers

you could take as the first wide receiver off the board. I also think they could be the first overall player off the board now that McCaffrey is out. Well, he's got a calf injury, yeah. Literally and figuratively, we just added an L to McCaffrey, if you will, with a calf injury. Get it? See what I did there? Oh, I see.

McCaffrey. Macalphrey. Right. Oh, yeah, I didn't know where you're going with that. But yeah, he's no longer a number one guy. We actually have Breece Hall currently in our rankings as the number one guy. But I think that's, it's very league dependent. If you're in a league where you start three wide receivers and even maybe have a flex,

so you could potentially start four. I would say getting a receiver first is more important because receivers are more important. If you are in a league that only starts two wide receivers, then running backs are more important. And I would actually lean towards taking Breeze Hall or Bejan Robinson first overall. Can I make the case for talking? Tyreek is the first pick, and maybe we should update him to our number one player at fantasy football dotterrand.com. Yeah.

So Miami was second, they threw the second fewest pass attempts in the fourth quarter last year. Like the dolphins barely threw the ball. If the dolphins threw the ball in the fourth quarter as much as they did in the rest of the game last year, Tyreek Hill would have had over 2,100 receiving yards. They were too busy winning. But I'm just saying, like, and also the Dolphins pass rush is way worse this year. So I feel like, I don't know, man. like Bill Barnwell made the right comparison at ESPN.

Tyree Kill's season last year was actually pretty comparable to Steph Curry like breaking the record for three-pointers taken in his season but still like leading the league in like three-point percentage. But that's what Tyree did. He got the ball all the time. But like he also per route was still incredible. Like the volume and the percentage was out of control. It's like everybody knows what you're going to do and you still can't stop it.

You're doing it at the best of the best anyway, even though it's happening every single. time. Yeah, it's like, hey, don't let Steph shoot 3s. He's really good at that. And it's like, yeah, he's still going to shoot 10 and make 5. Yeah, exactly. So I think that's the argument to me for Tyree Kill is he's literally probably the most efficient player of the decade. So that's good. All right. So Tyree Kill and CD Lamb are a top tone.

I'm worried about CD's contracts. He's going to play. If anything, it's to me, if Cedie Lamb walks into the season without a contract, he's probably going to ball out anyway. I'm not worried about it. Tier 2. I think here's the, so we have a Monrest St. Brown for the Lions, Garrett Wilson for the Jets, A.J. Brown for the Eagles. And then I also think Justin Jefferson for the Vikings, Cooper Cup for the Rams. Are those all one tier to you, D.K.? Or do you think we should separate those guys? This is tough. This is very, very tough. So I think, hmm, I think the difference between Amon Ra,

Garrett Wilson, AJ Brown is clearly that they have good quarterbacks on their team. And we don't know exactly what Justin Jefferson, his situation is going to be with quarterback. It's either going to be Sam Darnold, who is looking like the favorite to be the starter to begin the year, or J.J. McCarthy, who is a rookie. And again, it just comes down to situation. And I think with St. Brown, Wilson, and Brown, A.J. Brown, all those guys are in good offenses with good quarterbacks, the established quarterbacks, and kind of like, you know, something that we can rely on.

And we just really don't know what's going to happen with the Vikings offense. They could be really run heavy this year. I think Justin Jefferson, like, if we're ranking overall receiver talent is maybe number one or two, but the situation is just so much different than last year when they were one of the past heaviest teams in the NFL. Now they're not going to be. Look, I think with Amonra, Garrett Wilson, and A.J. Brown, you're driving with a full tank of gas. With Justin Jefferson, you got a quarter tank. And you're like, can I make it across town? I probably can. It's probably going to be fine. But I'm not 100% sure. I like that a lot. It's a pucker factor. I increasingly

like the test of week one is a pucker factor where if Garrett Wilson, Ragea Brown or a Monrod didn't do anything week one, you'd be like, all, whatever, it's week one. You'd be like, all, whatever, it's week one. If Sam Darnold looked horrific for the Vikings in week one and then Justin Jefferson got like two catches for 11 yards, you'd be like, oh my God, I've made a huge mistake. And it's similar to that with Cooper Cup and the Rams where if Cooper Cup just doesn't look as good as Pooka Naku in week one, you'd be like, oh, God. And also we have, it's worth that. We're way higher in Cooper Cup than Pooka because Pooka got hurt and we, I am of the belief that Cooper Cup is 100% fine, healthy and I think a lot of other places I've doubt about that. So we're way higher in

Cooper Cup. And I think, and I was going to talk to you guys about this live on the show. Like, I think we may have overreacted slightly to the news that Puka and Akua injured his knee. Because initially it was just like, he hurt his knee. He's going to be out a month. He's going to miss the entire preseason. We don't really know much about it. But in the last few days, we've heard it was just a burst of sack. It was just a burst of sack. Yeah. It's just liquid in his knee, which I think makes it hurt a little bit. But there was no structural damage. He's expected to be ready for week one. How is your burst of sack?

DK right now. How is it feeling? My burst of sacks are super intact right now. Okay. I've seen I haven't ever had a burst of burst sack. I've seen it happen before. Basically it's just like liquid. You've seen a burr... What do you mean you've seen a burst of sack? My buddy in college broke like he burst his burst of sack in his elbow. And it was like, it just makes your elbow big.

Is that what happened to Jaden Daniels his elbow? Yeah, it is. Yeah, his elbow, like it looks like it looks like it looks like UFC. It would kill some of me. Yeah. But I think. that the bottom line is there is no structural damage to his ligaments or his knee, and therefore I'm less worried about this. I personally think I'm still of the opinion that Cup, when healthy, is probably a little bit higher than Puka, especially with Puka dealing with this injury. But I think we're probably, we may have overreacted a little bit to the injury news. I think

Cooper Cup and Pook and Kook and kind of like right around each other and put him in the same tier. I'm totally fine with that. And so I think Puka, I'm less worried about him than I was like a couple days ago. So you want to keep a Monrae, Garrett Wilson, and AJ Brown in their own tier. And then in this new tier, have Justin Jefferson Cooper Cup and then add in Pooka Nakua. Yeah. And we can even, we can keep all these other guys too. No, I have

a better idea. Should Justin Jefferson get his own tier? Because he's like, we have to do it. We have to do it. And I know it kind of sounds like a bit, but like... It is. It is a bit. But the best two receivers in the NFL are Tyree Kill and Justin Jefferson. And Justin Jefferson is literally playing

with a 21-year-old rookie and J.G. McCarthy and Sam Donald's been on four teams in three years, right? Niners, Panthers, and Jet. Yeah, now the Vikings, four teams in three years. Like, that's just weird. And Jefferson, he also could just lead the NFL in targets because there's not much target competition. Yeah.

He does deserve his own tier. But like Garrett Wilson was top five in targets last year with Zach Wilson and sucked and was like the wide receiver 34. I think, look, if you draft like a Monross St. Brown and it's, It's week one. It's 9.55 a.m. The season's about to begin. You don't have a drop of nerves thinking about him on Ross St. Brown.

If Justin Jefferson is on your team, 10% of you is like, fuck. That's this going to go. You need to see it. I think, okay, so here's the deal. And again, just a reminder of what tiers mean, because, like, why are we doing this? A tier is basically the group in the tier,

you can rank them however you want. We don't really care. Like, we're going to have, Craig will have an opinion on, you know, Craig might want, you know, Jamar Chase over Devante Adams. maybe I'm going to want Devath Danams over Jamar Chase. We can talk about that in a moment.

But like the point is, I'm not going to like laugh if Craig does that in a draft. If you take any of these guys over each other, we get it. But the guys outside the tiers, we would not put them over the guys above them. And obviously it's a little fluid kind of like who can a ku is purse a sack. Right. That's the basic idea.

Well done. The guys within the group. Yeah, there you go. How the pros do it, baby. So it's not a little fluid. Then it would be a lot of fluid. A lot of fluid. Okay. So as a bit, but also not as a bit, we're putting Justin Jefferson in his own tier. Nice. Well, wait, just to put a bow on one thing, we never actually settled. Tyree Kill, Cid Lam.

Craig mentioned it, but should we actually make Tyree Kill our number one player on our rankings? Well, you know, it's funny. Are we ranking for leagues that have three wide receivers starting or two? You know what? Should we have a poll on our Spotify and ask people like, does your base league start two receivers or three? I believe Yahoo base leagues have three wide receivers and ESPN based leagues have two starting wide receivers. Yeah, I would just be curious what our listeners are playing.

If you're listening on Spotify, go to the poll, if you're not listening on Spotify, go to this episode on Spotify and like, go to the poll and we'll just do it. And we're talking, not flex, we're talking starting receiver spots. Two wide receivers are three. And let's just go, because I feel like 99% of leagues have one of those. Okay. So Tyree Corsidi, you can take first if you want.

And again, they're better with more receivers starting spots. Amon Rodgerat Wilson, Aegee Brown, tier two, like locked in first rounders. Tier three is Justin Jefferson, who could be the best guy and also can make you feel like an idiot, depending on Darnel plays. Then we have tier four here. which basically what, if they're your number one guy, you feel all right?

Yeah. The basic vibe. Yeah. We have Cooper Cup for the Rams, Jamar Chase for the Bengals, Devante Adams for the Raiders, Mike Evans for the Bucks, Nico Collins for the Texans,

Debo Samuel for the 49ers, Pooka Nakua for the Rams. To D.K.'s point, it's kind of like Cooper Cup probably further down this list. We should move him. I think Jamar Chase leads this tier. And again,

I kind of bumped Jamar Chase down from that Amon, right Garra, A.J. Brown thing. Because I think Jamar Chase has quarterback questions now with Burrow. It's like Jamar Chase could be Jamar Chase. he's like one of my favorite players to watch, but I just don't like that Joe Burrow won't throw three days in a row.

You're right. I mean, Jamar Chase should either be in this tier or perhaps the tier with Justin Jefferson. I guess which quarterback situation is more worrisome to you? Jamar Chases or Justin Jeffersons? Or are they similar? Jefferson's for me. Yeah, I mean, if Joe Burroughs playing, even if he's limited, I mean, you want Jamar Chase.

I think that's clear. I agree. There are more variables than it seems. Even if Burroughs not the same, I think Chase is like maybe a tier two. guy. And I personally think Burrow will play. I think it's worth noting they're changing the offense. Like, they're going to have Joe Burrow. Joe Burroughs never wanted to do under center like play action back to the defense. Like that could really drive a quarterback a little nuts. And so it's worth noting Burroughs playing a style.

But having said that, I'm not going to bet again Joe Burrow on how long have they been playing together if you count LSU? Six years. Like I'm not going to six. I'm not going to bet against that. So are we going to break our our rule here and add Shamar Chase to the. Justin Jefferson tier? Well, yeah, I didn't want to move him back up till Burrough through five days in a row, but you're saying that I'm overreacting. Well, I'm saying the situations,

although are not apples to apples, the vibes are similar in that they're both elite players, like maybe the two best wide receivers in the league, but have very tenuous quarterback situations. All right, you know what? Yeah, they actually are. Okay, yeah.

We'll put Chase to Jefferson. Craig, gun to your head. Are you going to take Jamar Chase or Cooper Cup? Cup, yeah, Cup I just moved down here. Cup should be lower. Yeah, I think Chase is probably over Cup. just for value sake, chasing some,

because places that aren't as worried about Bengals as we are, Chase is like a top six pick. So we can move, yeah, we'll move Jamar Chase up at Jefferson. Which means now, uh,

our single player tier has opened back up. There you go. Still in the market, as it were. Thank God. Okay. So I also think at this point, did you guys see Christian McCaffrey a couple days ago

called Brandon Ayuk, a former teammate? Yeah. This is the weirdest situation. So weird. He also apparently turned down a couple of trade offers that had been sort of like cemented. Like the two teams are more or less a new England new England and uh Cleveland

let me ask guys would you go from the Niners to the Patriots would you go from the Niners to the Steelers apparently he wants to go there if they pay him but even if they paid him go to new England I'm like I'd rather get paid it like literally the Niners came in second last year and the Patriots came in second to last like that's a little bit of an ego ego death does it feel like a little bit like the 49ers are calling iukes bluff because he's like he's like oh well then just trade me and they're like okay here's some trades they're like well he's like well he's like i don't want to get traded like i think he just wants to stay in san francisco ultimately he's like i want a lot of money and a good team to go play for right

and they're like well there's a big NBA thing to this where i feel like in the NBA now players almost like pick their destinations and teams just kind of wave their hands and i'm like what are we going to do but the NFL has structured their stuff a little differently and it's not as easy for And I think also the problem is the Steelers probably know he wants to come there. So they're probably not offering as much. And that becomes a problem. So ultimately that is why I think your point was going to be. That's why we have Debo in this next tier.

Well, I was going to say if I you got, well, because basically it's probably smart for us to not move Debo until we know where we want to move Ayuk, where he is. But if Ayuk got traded, I feel like Debo should be ahead of cup, ahead of Devonte, head of all these guys. Because he'd be the number one receiver on the team where he's been averaging. those Tyree kill efficiency, but also if McAfrey got hurt, he would be like, Dibbo would be like a goal line running back mixed with the top five wide receiver.

Yeah, he's probably a fringe first rounder if it gets traded. Yeah. Okay, so we'll just put a giant asterisk on Dibo. Maybe we give Dibo's on, should we just have 45 receivers get their own tier?

That'd be good. Just make Divo the TBD tier. Where we, whatever, what pieces he in the chest board? We can move him wherever the fuck we want. Is he the queen? He's the queen,

yeah. Yeah. The last thing here is the scoper, and Pooka Nakua. I am higher on Cup for two reasons. I think that he's way healthier this year. And I think, frankly, when people are doing all these projections and trying to figure out what's the split going to be, a lot of times people will turn to like, well, when Cooper

Cup and Pooka Nukuwa played together, it was like this. And I think that, honestly, I think those splits are just like wrong or they're just misguided because I don't think Cooper Cup was healthy at all last year, except for like a very, very small sample of games. And so I think that like trying to document, oh, well, it was like, this when they played together and Puka would only get better in year two. Actually, Cooper Cup is a guy who's going to get better in your. Like the improvement for Cooper Cup year over year is going to be bigger than Pooka Nakua.

There's a lot of like, oh, Cooper Cup regressed man to like on his man to man coverage. And I'm like, yeah, it's because he had an ankle injury and two hamstring injuries. Of course he wasn't as good on man to man coverage. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I'm higher on Cup, but also worth knowing we're going to probably be the single highest set on Cooper Cup literally anywhere in fantasy football because we just don't believe he's hurt. What could go wrong? Yeah.

But then you're buying the dip. He had a triple crown three years ago, and he's going to be like a third round pick, basically. Plus, Hyfitz, you were at Graham's camp. He looked great. All the reports,

all the reports I've seen from, from training camp is that Puka, or that Cooper Cup looks like his old self. And so I think that's the kind of, you know, that's the information that we're dealing with here now. And he, like,

you said last year, he was not healthy. At all. So, yeah. And I also, like, add in the fact that Puka has hurt.

Maybe it's not serious, but this is something that I was worried. about even before Puka got hurt with his knee. It was Bursa Sack. He just gets banged up in every game. Bursus a sack. Sounds like bursts a sack. And that's, he burst his sack.

And he put on so much weight this season to try and prevent injuries. He like added weight to his shoulders. He should have added weight to his versus sack. Imagine, I would like you to envision this. Imagine taking Pooka to Kua and then your group chat just being like, hey, Pooka to Cuea questionable this week with his sack. Like, you're going to have to deal with that for like four months. I personally think that ranking cup and,

And Nakua, though, is like one of the hardest decisions in... I'm ranking Cup over in. Yeah. And to be clear, we're going to be wrong because we all agree that everyone else is wrong and it's going to work for us. So, you know, you probably should take Pooka Nukuoka Nukua because we disagree. All right. So this here is going to be Debo Samuel at the top here if Brandon Ayuk is gone.

And then we'd have some order, which you can see exactly fancyfutball. Dotteroo.com, depending how we do. Cooper Cup, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, Nico Collins, and Pooka Nika. Wait, I said that twice. Sorry, I can't speak English. Dodge, dip, dive. Dodge and duck. Let's get to the next tier here.

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Bonus issued is non-withdrawable bonus bets, which expires seven days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.Fandil.com. All right. Next tier here, which is, I feel like guys who are really good that you're hoping are great. Like unproven guys who are hoping are elite. It's like guys you're hoping this is going to be the year. The jump. Yeah. We haven't seen it yet.

There's a level of faith. Like you know they're good, but you haven't seen it. So we have Brandon Ayuk for the 49ers or the Steelers. And I should say people might get upset. We've seen, I mean, Brandon Ayuk had 1,300 yards last year. We have seen it to a degree. Same with the next guy. And this list is DJ Moore.

I use in this tier because we don't know what team is going to be on. Yeah. Right. So the other guys here, we have DJ Moore for the Bears, who has been good, but Keenan. Allen's there now. Chris Olavay for the Saints. Marvin Harrison Jr. for the Cardinals, who, I mean, this is literally the highest rank.

Rookiee's ever been ranked in fantasy football. Michael Pittman for the Colts, Drake London for the Falcons, Jalen Waddle for the Dolphins. D.K., which one of these names pops to you is the guy who might give you the most FOMO, like a month under the season. You're like, I can't believe I passed on that guy. Drake London, I think. I'm still really excited to see what he can do in an offense that

is passing the ball a lot and has a accurate quarterback, which he has not had. he especially did not have last year. Like in terms of completions per game, I want to say the Falcons were second to last last year. Drake London is a good player who is just was in truly one of the worst situations for a receiver. And so the jump that he could take potentially, I think, is massive.

And he, because he's going to be the clear cut number one in this offense. You know, we have to assume that Kirk Cousins is going to be playing at somewhat similar level to what he's played at the last couple of years. If he isn't, then obviously that this projection is not going to make sense. but I don't know. I'm just really excited about London. I think the other guy that is a huge, that really stands out in this group is Marvin Harrison Jr.

Does it worry you guys at all that we've seen a highlight of Greg Dorch literally every day during training camp? And I haven't heard like one thing about Marvin Harrison Jr. I don't know why, but the Marvin Harrison Jr. thing is kind of annoying me that he's so high in rankings. I think we all need to relax. I'm sure he, I know he's awesome and he's like,

I wouldn't call him a generational prospect. But there's something about him being the son of Marvin Harrison. everybody just slotting him into to be a top 20 wide receiver in fantasy. I don't know. There's just something about it that rubs me the wrong way. Yeah, I think if his name was Hunter, but he was still Marvin Harrison's son, but he was Hunter Harrison. That's kind of a cool name. Maybe he'd be a different name.

Where'd you get Hunter? If his name was Aaron. Jeff, Aaron, yeah, Aaron Harrison. Aaron Harrison. Aaron Harrison. If his name was Aaron Harrison. I'm dead serious. I'm dropping him down 10.

I fully believe in name bias. You know this. He's 20 spots lower if his name is Aaron Harrison. Aaron Harrison's probably going by D.K. McCaff for Mark. Yeah. But truly, though, does it bother you? I guess the answer is yes, obviously.

But Neighbors is having a highlight every day during training camp, like incredible plays. And I haven't seen a highlight from Harrison. I'm sure he's had a few, but I haven't seen it. I will say part of it, part of it maybe is more. I will say the media surrounding the New York. York Giants is very different than the immediate environment. Than Phoenix, you think? Arizona Cardinals.

Yeah, it is super different. That's fair. And maybe, maybe Marvin Harrison Jr. has already reached like vet status where he's so good. It's just boring. We're not seeing Keenan Allen highlights. You know what I mean? Maybe Marvin Harrison's already in that category.

Here's the argument for Marvin Harrison Jr. When two of the best rookie seasons we've ever seen were Jamar Chase at LSU and then also Rashon, Rishon Slater, the tackle, came out of Northwestern, went to the Chargers. And they, like, skipped their senior seasons and just prepped for the draft. And they were, like, pro-ready, like, immediately. And Marvin Harrison didn't quite do that, but, like, he skipped all the, he didn't do the combine. He's like, I'm not going to practice, like, getting out of a track stance to run of 40.

I'm trying to be the best at exercising. Yeah, exactly. He's been trying to prepare for the NFL, like his Hall of Fame. And I will say, that actually is also giving, like, I like that he's been prepping to play in a week. He's insane. I'm prepping for September. since January. Yeah.

Which honestly, all these other guys aren't doing. You think Xavier worthy just ran the fastest 40 ever. He trained for that for three months. So I kind of like that Marvin here. Having said that, Craig, I agree that like if he's just like the fifth best rookie receiver,

it's going to, you're going to feel so stupid. Also, like, what is so it's like, oh, he's the only guy who's been training for week one since, what the fuck does that even mean?

He's just been working out. Okay, they all have. Been catching passes, Craig. They are, but it's different. Like,

prepping for the combine is different than like, I know, but I don't think Malik Neighbors is not as far along as Marvin Harrison Jr. because Malik Neighbors prepared for the combine in Marvin Harrison Jr. All right, well, Dikea, what do you think? Do you think Marvin I think we're splitting hairs a little bit here? Yeah.

Well, Dick, he put it in context for people. Like, do you think Marvin Harrison actually is a shot to be like a top? Like the best receivers in the NFL? We're like, oh, well, Tyree Kill and Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson and, you know, do you think that he had, Marvin Harrison could actually be in that conversation like a month into the season? Is he going to have a better or worse year than Pook Nukuwa's rookie season. Very likely worse. And Puka Nakua was preparing for the combine.

I think the way I would put it is I have very, I have zero doubt in Marvin Harrison's talent, but like track record and, you know, the odds are he's not going to like the world on fire right away. He might, you know, but it took it like, if you remember Justin Jefferson's rookie year, we were worried that he was playing behind. Oh God, what was his name? I can't even remember his name. K.J. Osborne. might have been KJ Osborne Yeah, he was like Jalen Rager

No, I think it was Osborne He was like playing behind some random dude For the first like two weeks And then a good example of a rookie who came out of the gate Just going bonkers is Jamar Chase His rookie season had 1,400 yards and 10 touchdowns I guess that would be the comp But even that feels out a sample

Because it's like he literally had his college quarterback It's just that that feels incomparable Than anything else to me You know what I mean? It's like, yeah The harshest thing I'm ready to say Is that it's going to be hard for him To reproduce Apuka and Akua

an all-time record like seasons. You know, I still think he's really good, but it's a very expensive proposition to draft him where he has drafted. I agree with Craig because this was how I felt like a month ago, not a month ago, like two months ago, like when I was first during rankings, I was like, I had Marvin Harrison really low.

And I've not been bullied, but I kind of have moved them up, moved them up because I was so far down below where everybody else has him. I was like, I'm probably missing something here. But to Craig's point, as good as Marvin Harrison is, as incredible as Marvin Harrison is,

we are expecting him to have one of four best seasons ever for a rookie. And it's like, Marvin Harrison can literally play 15 years, go to the Hall of Fame and have like 900 yards and be okay. Like, that's not crazy. Is he a better prospect than Jamar Chase was? I would probably say

Jamar Chase was better. I think they're right there. They're close. They're close. Maybe in the same tier. Marvin's more polished. So Jamar Chase, his physical profile, so explosive. Marvin not as freaky. Right. I mean, he's a very good athlete,

but we don't know because he didn't really test. But like Jamar Chase, pairing his stats and his explosive athletic traits, I mean, he was like a very, very rare receiver prospect. So I don't know. I would probably if I had to stack them,

I would put Jamar Chase above Marvin Harrison Jr. All right. So maybe we move Marvin down and we just like, yeah, rookies, nope. Yeah, it's like,

I don't know. I guess I don't have a problem with him in this tier. But yeah, he should probably be with this. next group that we're about to read, I would say. That tier is basically really good, but we're hoping to prove yourself. That's Brandon of Yuc, Dajumor, Chris Oliva, Marvin Harrison, Jr., Michael Pittman, Drake, London, Julian Waddle. The next tier here we have is, like, established vets of like young skinny dudes.

We used D.K. Metcalfe with the Seahawks. Good team. Amarge Cooper with the Browns, but if they make a trade, the Niners, I don't know. Devonte Smith with the Eagles, Defund Dakes with the Texans, Tanktel with the Texans, which we put them back to back because we don't know what to do with them. And then Malik neighbors for the Giants. And I'm kind of like, should Malik neighbors just be above Mar Mar Mar Mara? Marvin Harrison, the entire office is going to be.

Literally, Brian Dable's job depends on the Giants' offense being good. And the Giants' offense depends on Brian Dable, getting Jones to throw the ball to Malik neighbors. Obviously, Malik has a worst quarterback. But I don't, I would not fall. I would not fault anyone if they decided they wanted Malik neighbors instead of Marvin Harrison Jr. I think they're pretty close. I think they probably should be in the same tier.

It's going to be funny when the Giants put up 10 points, week one. Daniel Jones has eight completions. And it gets hurt. only thing holding me back is just the teams. I'm like, look, I feel so much more confident in the Cardinals' offense on the Giants. I do think you could feel like a massive moron. Week one, it's Monday night, and Malik Neighbors put up four points because Daniel Jones threw three picks, and you're like, oh, man. The Garrett Wilson-Wilson reducts. What do you think happens first? Giants win a game or Malik Neighbors cryptic tweet. Like a wide receiver, like, like some Bible quote

about like suffering through, like persevering through the struggle. Walk softly and carries a knife. Yeah, something like that. He's just going to tweet like the wings emoji and everyone's going to be like, oh, no. Does he tweet? I haven't seen it. Is he already doing cryptic tweets?

He's like just tweeting out Game of Thrones tweets. You're like, what's that? So do you like this tier? I think we could add Marvin Harrison, Jr. to this tier. What do you think? I don't mind being low on him because I think that my, if I don't take Marvin Harrison, Jr., and he's a phenomenon.

I'll be like, damn, that would have been cool to have him. Like, he's cool. Like, he's a good player to watch. I wish he was on my team. If I take Marvin Harrison Jr., and he sucks, I'm going to walk into the sea. I just, yeah, I mean, we, I think, I think we're all kind of on the same page. We're just, you're just drafting him so high right now that he kind of has to have, like, an all-time rookie season. He better have 1,400 yards and 100 catches where he's going.

Yeah. Right. All right. So next up here, we have another group of established veterans that, like, you've probably had on your team and felt a little weird about it. We have George Pickens for the Steelers, which he's going to like crater if they get a yuk. It's not even worth talking about Pickens right now. It's like we'll update based on whether they get him or not.

Keenan Allen for the Bears, who's just perennally, no one seems to ever rank very high and always delivers, but Keenan Allen. T. Higgins for the Bengals, don't know what to do with him. He's in a contract year. In theory, he's a player you exactly want because he'd be stat patting. But you have Joe Burrow. I feel like Burrow, new offense might lean on Chase Moore. Christian Kirk for the Jags, where they added Gabe Davis and Brian Thomas,

but lost Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley went to the Titans. If anything, I think we actually should move Calvin Ridley up because the Andre Hopkins is missing all of August with practice. Chris Godwin for the Bucks. It was awful last year in a bad role for him. And now he's back to being in a good role. And Zay Flowers for the Ravens.

My take from this is Calvin Ridley, I think should actually be higher. Yeah, I think that's right. Especially with D'Honjord Hopkins. I think he's going to miss like four to six weeks. And that's just like a guess, you know. Would you take Tankdale over Calvin Ridley? God. I mean, that's potentially a number three.

wide receiver for a number one? I love Tank and I actually think Tank is C.J. Strat's favorite receiver on that team, but I also feel like Ridley has a chance to dominate. But just because it's his favorite doesn't mean he's in a throat to him the most. And also the Titans' offense, I actually think could be scrappier than they seem, but also if they were bad, no one would be surprised if Will Levis was bad, right? I agree, Calvin Ridley could be up a tier. The only other guy who could also be up a tier, I think is, again, it's all Joe Burrow

Burrow dependent. But like, if Joe Burrow plays a healthy season, Tehagans is going to be good. Yeah. I also yeah. The thing is I the other, it's like Mike Evans last year. It's like don't underrate guys in contract years. And that's where going back to the previous tier like Amari Cooper.

They actually did give him a little more money. But like T. Higgins is the only player in the NFL on a franchise tag last year like this year. Like this year every six nine players were tagged. All of them got extended except T. Higgins. T. Higgins is the only player on the tag. And I feel like players kind of go like, you know,

you kind of feel like this could just be one big tier. That's what I was going to ask. Is there anybody in these two tiers that you could. and take over anybody else. Could you take Chris Godwin over D.K. McHath? I think Godwin should move down. I think that all these guys except, really?

I'm like vehemently against that take. Yeah. You really feel like whatever about Devante Smith and Chris Godwin? You feel equally good about that? I think, yeah, I think based on Godwin, you know, apart from last year where he scored basically no touchdowns. He was just an absolute huge touchdown drought. Based on the rest of his track record in the league,

especially with the fact he's going to be moving back to the slot, I'm pretty bullish on Godwin this year. I think he's going to score more touchdown very likely. He was one of the players who scored below expectation based on his usage and his routes and his targets and his catches, one of the worst in the league in terms of scoring less than expected. And it was purely because he just couldn't get in the damn end zone. And Mike Evans scored 13 touchdowns.

And so I think that's going to even out a little bit this year. I'm bullish on Godwin. I think he's a really good player. A move to the slot in this new offense for the Buccaneers, I think he's going to be good for him. So I'm pretty bullish on Godwin. I think he has a higher floor than some of these guys, too. I agree, even though I hate Chris Godwin with a fiery passion.

But the only one I think we could drop off, I think we can merge these two tiers, and the only one we omit is Zay Flowers. I don't think I would take Zay Flowers over Amari Cooper. I take Zay over Godwin. I think Zayflower scored more points after Thanksgiving than Godwin did last year. Yeah, but if we're counting this Godwin season as an outlier and the previous Godwin is the real Godwin, I don't think that's safe. But if we're counting Godwin as an outlier,

he hasn't been, like, you can say he's an outlier, but the fact is Godwin has not had a good fan, he's not been worth picking a fantasy football since like 2019, basically, for where you had him. Well, he tore his ACL, but. I know, he's been hurt,

but I'm just saying, it has been five years since he was worth being picked. I'm fine. We can just, I think we just keep everyone. Fine, we can merge the two tiers. Fully merge. So it'll be D.

D.K. McCaffa, Mori, Devanty Smith, Stefan Degson, Tankdale for the Texans, and Tegas for the Giants, Steelers, TBD a trade, Keenan Allen for the Bears, T. Higgins for the Bengals, Christian Kirk for the Jags, Calvin Ridley for the Titans, Godwin for the Bucks, Zayflairs for the Ravens. And I do think we move Ridley up closer to like Malik neighbors territory. You guys, Team USA is down 10 to Serbia.

What? Uh-oh. Didn't they already beat Serbia? Yeah. Why are they playing again? Wait, the American team, the men's team or the women's team? Men's, it's the semis. Why?

Can I ask you a question? And I'm just going to just going to do the thing. If they played once in the qualifiers and then this is the real thing. Can I just do the thing that everyone's going to do and people are going to yell at me? How are they losing? Down 13 now. But like how? Like I know.

They don't practice as much. Like I don't, but like how? It's just Yokic and other Serbian people. Serbian players are good at basketball. No, Serbian players know how to play as a team. I actually very much believe in that. I very much believe in like five superstars not knowing how to play together. I think that is very real.

I get that. I get what you're saying. But I actually believe that makes more sense to me with like South, like in a weird way, it makes more sense to me with a team that plays together all the time. But Yokic just won. He just had two playoff runs. When does he play with the Serbian team?

That's fair, but at least it's like just Yokic and he can kind of like command the team around him and it's like a bunch of hardworking Serbian dudes playing with Yokic and him pulling the strings rather than just like Joel Embed and Jason Tatum and Durant arguing to see who can take the last shot of the quarter. Yeah.

I also, I guess I shouldn't be surprised Yokic kicking the shit out of Joel Embed. Also, Steph's got 17, 5-3s. Goat. We'll see. They're down 13 now. Where are we at in the game? Second quarter is almost over.

Okay. Well, they got some guy. I like Bogdanovich. Yeah, they have Bogdanovich, right. LeBron is six points. So what would be your lineup right now? What's your buckle down lineup? My buckle down lineup?

Yeah. I'd have to check the matchups, one. But my buckle down, I don't even know what that means. I guess it's Steph, LeBron. Backs against the wall lineup, Craig. It's probably like Steph, LeBron, Drew Holiday for the defense, Embed, I don't know, Duran. Do you want him beat out there?

I think so. Maybe not the fourth. I think he's a real first half guy for me. I haven't closed the second before he gets tired. He's like a four-inning starter now. We just need four-innings. That's fine guy. Every MB gives a bullpen game.

Quick question to get back to the tiers. Did we decide to combine these tears into one? Yes, we did. Yeah, we can do that. I like it. Next up here, I don't know. These are guys with various amounts of Riz. I feel like these are like high Riz guys that haven't done anything yet, for real,

or like guys who have been around for a while that haven't. Various amounts of Riz. I think that's true. So Terry McLaurin for the commanders who just, I mean, the list. Some Riz. Yeah. Does he have Riz? I don't know.

I don't think he has Riz. No aura. I understood that reference. I don't use it, but I know what it means. What's the definition difference between ORA and Riz, Craig? Oh, wow. That's a good question. Riz is more like

It's short for charisma right It's like how you can charm somebody I think an aura Is more like an effortlessness to you That is appealing That is cool Does that mean they're based? Sure

This fucking Slag I love it Craig would you rather have aura or Riz Or be based Is it is it pronounced based Yes I think I'd rather

I want out of the three of the three of those, Mary, fuck, kill. I'm marrying or a fucking Riz. Killing base. 100%. Yeah, Craig nailed that. All right. Good to know. That's definitely the case. Yeah. Anyway. Continue.

Should we just decide? All right. So Terry McLaurin definitely based. No, he's probably just Laura. Hollywood Brown or Deonti Johnson's based for the Panthers now. I wonder if we should move him up. He's going to get like 150 targets and it's just a question of whether the Panthers can have an average offense. He probably should be. And we just have all the cheese receivers too.

We have Hollywood Brown and Rishi Rice and Xavier Worthy, which again, we don't know what to do with these guys. It's like Rishi Rice, I don't think he'll be suspended. But like, will he? Xavier Worthy, will he do anything as a rookie? I feel like Hollywood Brown is probably the best receiver here, but he's always hurt. And we also have J.N. Reed for the Packers and Christian Watson for the Packers

because we don't know what to do with these guys. Yeah. DeAndre Hopkins with Titans because he's not playing for a month, but also how low can you really put DeAndre Hopkins? And then we've Ladd McConkey for the Chargers because Craig's been radicalized. I think Josh Palmer should be in this. category two.

Come on. Especially with Ladd being. You're going to put, here's my thing. You have to pick one. You can't put both of them here. If we think they're going to have. We have three Packers wide receivers in the same tier.

We just did this with the fashion. We have three chiefs riders receivers in the same tier. Yeah, because they have Patrick Mahomes and Jordan Love. June Love came second in passing touchdowns last year. And we're saying, Herbert. He's not going to throw a bunch of touchdowns.

Like, it's the whole reason we're down. We're on like what you're, you don't think Josh Palmer and Ladd-McConkey can both be in the wide receiver 30 range. That's too much. No. A Greg, I mean, maybe, look, maybe I'm being mean, but like a Greg Roman offense has that ever supported two top 40 receivers in like, it supported a top five tight end and a top

20 receiver? What, then Vernon Davis and Crabtree one year? Yeah. One year. Okay. One year? I'm saying two years. All right.

Those are two first rounders. I don't know. I'm just, I don't know. Yeah. I think I understand high fits where you're coming from. It's also a little bit like for. you know, splitting hairs on this. All right, maybe we are. Fine.

That's fine. Look, disrespect him at your own peril. All right, fine. Here we can put... Keep them out. No, actually, keep him out. I want him there. I just think you have to pick. Hyfitz, highfitz, question. Since Hyfitz is not the one that's so close to this,

is it crazy to just switch Josh Palmer and Ladd McConkey right now based on the fact that Ladd is banged up. I think that's a rookie. I don't like when rookies miss significant chunks of treatment. It scares me. It definitely scares me. I guess these missing reps with Easton Stick, so it doesn't really matter. way.

No, did you see Herbert is practicing in a boot? He's taking snaps with the boot on. Not sure about that. Yeah. I don't think, not like, like real full speed. Not like the actual games. But he is like, you know, hiking the ball and throwing it a little bit. I bet Russell Wilson is so pissed.

He didn't think of that first. Like, playing in the boot? I was literally put some cleats on the, put some like little like cleats on the boot. Dude, I was. I was literally thinking about that yesterday. I was like, couldn't a quarterback play in a boot, maybe

bootlegs have played with torn ACLs in the past like I feel like you can make a type of boot and design a type of

offense where they could just stand there with a boot just park yeah yeah it's probably probably a bad idea

but I think they physically possibly could do it like if it was like a week 17 do or die game I think you could play in a boot well I think the boot though

I don't think the boot I think it's definitely just playing a cleat I think he's playing a cleat. I guess. You just suck it up, shoot that thing up with cortisone. Imagine putting all the spikes on and like, dude,

you shouldn't wear a shoe? Anyway. Cortisol. I say cortisone. I always get those confused. Cortizone's the cream. Cortisol is the pain killer, right? I think that's right.

Oh, now you're getting me confused. Are they the same thing, but one's injected and wants a cream? Oh, I forgot to study. Cortisol versus cortis. Cortisol is a steroid hormone. Yeah. Cortizone is the cream. I don't know if it's also a steroidal cream. Cortisone is a commercial form of...

Are you thinking Toridol? No, Toridol, that's different. Isn't Toradol just like Advil on steroids? Yeah, yes. It's like it blocks your pain receptors. I've taken Toridol. Why do you taking Toradol? I was in tremendous pain once, and the doctor prescribed me Torado, and it works. Okay.

I ever told you guys the story. So there was an NFL team that would line up to the, so you let it's called Toridol lines. Like in the locker and before they have to like give you the Toridol. And they like players line up before the game to get it. And there was a team that they called it Toradole. They called it, um, Jesus T. Because they was like, they called it like Holy Water. Oh, jeez.

And they would line up and they would go up and like, bless me father for I have sinned. And they would take the Toridol. So cortisol and cortisone are both steroid hormones produced by the adrenal cortex, but they have different roles in the body. So, sorry, this is like the refrigerator thing. What is cortisol versus cortisone? What is the relationship? Like a refrigerant in a refrigerator. I don't know.

Cortisol is a naturally occurring hormone. And cortisone is a naturally occurring corticosteroid metabolite. Can a doctor email us and tell us what the fuck is going on? Someone email us at Rear Fantasy Football at gmail.com and tell us what the difference is between cortisol and cortisone. Anyway, how did we get on this? Because I was saying that if you were in a do-or-die-week-17 game,

you would lose the boot and shoot your foot up with cortisol. I said cortisone so that you can play through the game. Yeah, how do you think Brett Farr have played until it was 43? Every time Ben Raldesberger would get hurt in the first half, he'd go to the locker room, come back looking better. Yeah, exactly. This is how Aaron Rogers came out and had a southern accent. You know?

Under the influence of some sort of drug. USA down 11.5, Steph with 20 points. No one else has more than nine. Goat. Goat, six threes. Damn. All right. Can we get back on the tears here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Craig. Are you doing, do you like Christian Watson this year? I do. Because you're like Christian Watson for the Packers? Or do you like Christian Watson because everyone else is out on him and you're kind of like, fuck these people? Yes. Porque, no, those don't.

Yeah, I literally, that is, both those things are probably equally influential. in my support of Christian Watson this year. I just, he checks a lot of boxes for me in that one, he's very affordable in drafts. He's on an ascending offense, dare I say elite offense, elite quarterback, great play caller. I'm just like, we're overthinking this.

This guy's like 6'4 and is one of the best red zone threats in the league. You know, on a per game basis, he was number one in end zone targets last year? Like, Jordan Love throws to him the most when he is actually healthy in playing. And now, just like, our boy, Camara, his hamstrings are close to the same weight for the first time in his life. So yeah, I really like Christian Watson this year, actually. I think we're overthinking it.

Christian Watson is a player. I felt this whole offseason that has a, he's one of the players with the widest range of outcomes, right? Like, he could be top 12 in theory, and it wouldn't really shock me that much because he's big, fast. And in theory, the number one receiver with a great quarterback. But his injuries are obviously a massive, massive concern. They've got to figure out this hamstring thing and make it actually stick. They're in an offense with a lot of different young targets and the hierarchy could kind of shake out differently. I think there's just a lot of variables here.

I actually think Watson is one of the best picks in this range because you're like, what if you're right on him? Like you get a massive amount of value. Yeah, I think, I think that Craig is on to something here because everyone agrees the Packers are really good. Everyone agrees the Packers might be a Super Bowl contender. Like the offense is great. We're like, but who's it's going to be?

And to Craig's point, I'm a big believer that like, because fantasy analysis has gotten better, like there's just, but there's also kind of like the stock market, like, it's hard to beat the crowd. I think that to get a true sleeper now, you almost have to, sometimes you have to pick someone that everyone's been burned out enough that no one actually wants to stand up for that guy. Like sometimes there's actually like a bias and like, like, I think people are afraid to stand for a person sometimes.

Everybody hates Christian Watson. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in. Because he's always hurt. I'm in. Yeah, I think Watson, I actually, I also will go step further.

I think that there's a question. I think later this month we should do an episode about like, one of the easiest ways to figure who you should take is just like, can you identify the two or three teams that were just like totally wrong on and are going to be way better than we think and avoid the two or three that are way worse? Like that's like half the battle, honestly. And so like sometimes they're really hard. Like the Texans, I don't think a single person isn't root for the Texans or as

related to the players thought that would happen. But if you look and you're like, well, what if you just took all? the Packers receivers. What if you literally took Jordan Love and Josh Jacobs and Marshall and Lloyd the running back

and you literally took and Christian Watson and Ronio Dubs and Jaden Reed. You get all of them. And then what if they're the best offense in the NFL? Right. And I think the same with the Chiefs.

Yeah. The other thing about like taking the Packers' offense is if one of these receivers gets hurt, Dubs, Dantavian Wicks, Jaden Reed,

then like all these other guys are smashes, right? Yeah. It's just right now there's uncertainty about who. It's just weird that the Packers are I would say widely considered a top 10, if not top five offense in the league heading into this year.

And there's not one player on this team going in the first five rounds of fantasy. I think to your point, Craig, if you're listening to this, the too long don't read is if you're a Packers fan, I think it's weird to tell if you have one league you care about. Stacking's a hard concept. It's just weird to put all your eggs in one basket sometimes, like mentally. But if you're a Packers or Chiefs fan, you should just take literally the entire Packers' offense and same with the cheese. You can get all of them. And there's a chance they literally lead the league in points.

Like, it's kind of funny. The only one I would drop out of this tier is Xavier Worthy. We can't have three chiefs in the same tier. I agree. He's there. I'm fine with that. I agree. I agree.

Did you guys see the video? This was a massive ick of Xavier Worthy and press coverage, getting literally shoved to the ground like a toddler playing basketball with adults. Well, look, he's 165 pounds. He got thrown across the field. There are six graders who weigh more than 165 pounds. I think I would be worried more about that if I also had. hadn't seen about 10 highlights of him just getting wide open down the field and catching touchdowns.

And also just the history of Andy Reid designing ways to get guys off the line of scrimmage, put him in jet motion, end arounds, things like that, to get him off the line easily without having to defeat press, because that is maybe a concern. But there's so many ways to kind of like mitigate that. But it's an ick. Iks are irrational. And it can be like watching somebody struggled to get the gas pump into a car. It's irrational.

That specific example. Oh, I heard a great ick the other day. what was it? It was, oh, when a grown man is like, ow! Men are allowed to feel pain.

Yeah, no. When he scoches down in a pew or like in a bench. In a booth. You had a booth into a restaurant. Yeah. Scootches.

All right. Next up to you here. We have the mild icks. Jackson Smith and Jigma for the Seahawks. Jordan Addison for the Vikings. Roma Duns here for the Bears. There's a lot like Jackson Smith and Jigba's a highly drafted rookie. as a maybe third receiver.

Josh Palmer to the Chargers, although really we move him up and probably put Ladd-McConkie here. No, no, no, no, leave him there. Leave him there. No, but really, though, what would you do? Who would you take first? This whole group, I would easily take Josh Palmer.

No, no, no, between Lad and Palmer, because considering... Palmer, I would take Palmer. I think Palmer's going to leave the team in receiving yards. We just need this. We should move him higher. Yeah. Well, it's not if you guys outvote me,

if it's two to one. I was strongly a believer if you're going to bet someone lad, but now that Ladd's hurt, I would rather take Palmer. I mean, how hurt is Ladd? that hurt. But this coming into the draft, missing time and training camp is always a red flag for me. But Ladd going into the draft,

it was kind of like how healthy is he. Right. He's just like a drip drip. It's like, I don't want to deal with this, to be honest. Like, yeah,

and Xavier Worthy and Tyler Lockett. I, DK's, is Jackson Smith and Jake Bud are going to be just, just straight up surpassed Lockett this year? I think there's a chance that does happen. I'm surprised you'd take Palmer over a guy like JSN. I guess I understand that though,

like the top option in a team versus. I mean, like, I probably wouldn't. I don't, but that's established. You would take Jackson Smith and Jigba over Josh Palmer? Well, that's a bad example, because I don't really like any of these guys. I think they're all a little bit. Jordan Addison with the Vikings, I think I would, Craig. I think the ceiling is higher.

I like Jordan Addison. I liked when he had Kirk Cousins. I don't like Jordan Addison in a world with Sam Darnold. The vibes for Jordan Addison are atrocious. The vibes are awful. Just atrocious. Maybe the worst vibes of any player in the NFL. As someone who just drove around a lot,

around LAX, the thought of just falling asleep in a lane on a highway around LAX is not good. It's not ideal. What would you guys put the odds that on that Rome Adunzei ends up just leaping over Keenan Allen as like the number two receiver in on the bears? I feel like he's Cooper Cup breakfast material where everyone's just kind of assuming Roman does he, well, they got DJ more and they got Keenan Allen. What's where I'm going to do? And then I feel like there's a chance that Caleb Williams comes in and is like, yeah, him and Rome have spent like, they're actually our roommates and they're living together in L.A. and they spend all this time together where they have a brain melt.

Like, I don't know. I feel like Roma Dunsey is so freaking good as a rookie that, I understand, like it's probably a bad bet to make, but there's a point where he could fall so far in drafts where I'm kind of like, I don't know, man. I understand that.

But if Keenan Allen gets hurt, then suddenly you're like, whoa. I kind of like that. I like picking Rome in this area because I just think the upside is there. If Keenan gets hurt or if he just, Adunze just has like a really great connection with Caleb Williams. I always love taking rookies.

And especially like in the second half of the season, a lot of these times, these guys start to really break out. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It depends. Like, when you're drafting later around wide receivers,

just kind of two different philosophies. One is like the dart throw guy who could explode, which is the Romaduzzi. And the other side to me is like the Josh Palmer, which is like, I want a guy who I can just start all year. Right. He's never, he's not going to be top 15 guy. But he can be my wide receiver three. He can be my flex the entire season. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And Odinzee might like be unplayable for stretches. Yeah. Right. Okay. Tier nine. We have Brian Thomas Jr.

For the Jags. Jameson Williams for the Lions, which, who's, just like thirst trap of the year, James Williams for the lines. Quilton Sutton Sutton for the Broncos, who's the guy that I just is invisible to me. I've never seen him. It doesn't exist. Blinders. We have Josh Downs for the Colts who has a high ankle sprain. We probably have to drop out altogether. I'm not good that Josh Dunstan's Downs is high ankle sprain. John Dodson for the Bills.

Rashid Shahid for the Saints. Mike Williams for the Jets. Jacobby Myers, the Raiders, Curtis, Sima for the bills. Romeo Dobbs for the Packers. Demarrow-Douglas for the Jans. Keon Coleman Bills. Brandon Cook's Cowboys, Wondon Robinson Giants. I would drop those two last two down. basically these are like high upside like scratch off tickets like Jameson Williams

mixed with like potentially solid like you know as Solek would say chug and plug guys like a Jacoby Myers it's just basically exactly what Craig just laid out like super upside guys with just like hey you might be fine yeah what once you get to this low

the tiers matter less and this becomes more of just like who do you like we're throwing darts a little bit I kind of like throwing Brian Thomas Jr. and James and Williams into the previous tier if we're really like splitting hairs. I think that's smart. Brian Thomas and James and Williams? Yep. I think that's smart.

I think that the tier above this should be like the sexy one. And I think that's, yeah. But otherwise, yeah, this makes sense. I think there's a chance Curtis Samuel ends up being a good sleeper out of this group. Rashid Shaheed is another one who every time he's gotten a chance to play a lot of snaps and run a lot of routes, he's been really good, really explosive. But he just, you know, has never gotten that ability to like, really play a ton of snaps.

Like whatever it is, the head coach doesn't like him. By the way, the Saints head coach, who's name I, Blank it. I was trying to call him Dennis Green in my head. Dennis Allen, he hates all his players. Does he like any of these guys? He's so mean to everyone. Have you heard him in the press conferences? He's like, every time a reporter asks him about a player, he's like, yeah,

they're doing all right, but we got to see more from him. Kendrae Miller, this kid can't stay healthy. It's not going to make the team in the trading room. He's just like so mean and blunt. That's what DK, that's how you were to Craig, though, at the beginning. That's how he was to Craig, yes. Yeah, when Craig started. When he was intern Craig?

Yeah, you're like, name one pod you do. That's good. Show me one edit you've done. That sounds good. Somebody reminded me of Craig. We used to call you full-time Craig. Remember that? Yeah.

Those were the days. Now what do you call me behind my back? I don't know. PTO, Craig. Yeah. Handsome Craig. I'll take that. That's good.

All right. Any other receivers you want to shout at us a sleep or whatever, but, or basically, Forget that. We'll do this whole sleepers episode like at another point. Here's my question. After going through all this, would you rather take two receivers right out of the gate?

And would you rather just grab like, oh, I want a Monra and Cooper Cup? Or I want like Tyree Kill and, you know, Nico Collins. Or do you want to take like one of those guys and then backfill with like, I'm going to take a bunch of like guys later?

Like what would you rather do? Take two receivers up top and then not again to like Jehan Dotson. Or would you rather do a bunch of guys in the middle rounds? I've always been. partial to getting a good running back early on in drafts. So I would say get one big wide receiver, one big running back and then try to backfill later. I have, it's, there's always like, there's always a couple guys in my home league that do the

zero RB thing where they'll get like three top 20 wide receivers and then just say fuck it to the running backs. And I, every time I look at that roster, I'm like, that is so sexy and cool. When you're going up, when you're facing them in a matchup and you see that they've got Garrett Wilson, Pooka Nukuha and Michael Pittman, you're like, holy shit, they're going to each put up 25 a pop. But for some reason, I never do it. I always want to grab a running back.

I like to be a little bit more balanced. Yeah, you can stay flexible if you take a running back in a receiver or whatever. What are the first trends to start? Yeah, because if you fill your one position early in the draft and then there's a value later in the draft that at wide receiver, you won't, you won't be able to take advantage of it. I like being able to do whatever. You know, what else is a super underrated consideration is that, like, in theory, if you take two receivers up top and then they're like, there's a value later and you're like,

out, Cooper Cup fell, I'll get a third guy. And like, if they're value, I think generally speaking, I'd say, you want to just take values, right? Like sometimes if you, like, oh, I don't have any running backs. But like, sometimes you take more running backs and you're like, I'll flip one of these for a tight end later. I didn't get any tight end. Sometimes it makes more sense to take the value.

But the other thing is sometimes you just can't trade in a league. Like, you have to actually be honest with yourself. Like, am I going to be able to make trades in this league or is it impossible? I have never once made a pick thinking, well, I'll just flip this guy for somebody else after the draft into trade. That doesn't work. No one does that. People are very precious about their players, especially right after the draft.

It's not a liquid market. Like it's not, it's like, oh, this goes worth this. It's like, dude, it's so hard to make a fit. Everybody is in love with their players the second you draft. They will stare at their roster for the next week. Exactly. I think the other thing that doesn't get discussed with zero running back is it's very easy to be like, we'll just take a bunch of receivers to get an elite quarterback,

elite tight end. It's like it doesn't account for like the fucking stress until you get the running backs figured out. Like it kind of cloud your entire team. Like if your running backs aren't good to start, you're like, oh, waivers and this guy, Jonathan Brooks might come back from an ACL, but at some point, but until then, you're kind of like on pins and needles. Yeah, it's not fun to be like, all right, my starting running backs are Tajay Spears and Jalen Warren. And you're like, all right, this better work out. There's an emotional toll that doesn't get counted for because it's a very winning strategy.

But yeah, in reality, we're balanced. All right. Before we go, there's one huge story we have to hit. I'm reading from Forbes here. Pitbull's naming rights deal at FIU offers wide-ranging, benefits. Florida International University made a splash Tuesday when it announced recording artist

Pitbull had obtained naming rights for FIU Stadium where the Panthers play football. Pitbull named a stadium after himself. Pitbull Stadium. I think this is genuinely trailblazing. This is the most incredible idea I've ever heard. Who's the funniest person that could get a stadium named after them?

100% it's Pitbull. Pit bull stadium. This is incredible. Yeah, but not only that. So did you know that he's going to create an anthem for the school? Get out of here. So how cool is that? Dude, Pitbull, I'm obsessed with this guy.

He has to create an anthem for the school. He has to make 12 social media posts per year, because this is a multi-year deal. And then he also has to appear at one athletics funding event per year. And he gets to use the stadium 10 times to perform it every year. Wow. Do you guys think we could name me? a stadium after ourselves? It would take a lot of money.

Trash Panda Stadium. Could we try? Yeah. I mean, oh my God. Hell yeah. Could we name a minor league stadium after our show? Some like municipal stadium. Yeah, but I don't want to name it the Ringer Fantasy Football Show stadium. That's so lame.

We got to name it something funny. The Cadarius Tony Memorial Trash Pandas Arena. Gentleman's Piss Club Arena. Gentleman's Piss Club Arena. If anyone listening knows how much it would cost and how we would go about naming a minorly baseball team after ourselves, please email us at ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. And just any general naming rights shenanigans. Pit bull.

Pit bull. Dude, just like the Florida, the FIU, the Worldwide. Yeah. Oh, wait. Is that why Florida International University and he's Mr. Worldwide? Oh. That has to be why. Or it's like near where he grew up.

But both. It's not a coincidence that Mr. Worldwide is sponsoring Florida International University. I want people to start. I think I want somebody to name an airline or like, I would love for an airline to just be like Pepsi Air. honestly it's kind of shocking that hasn't happened I know right

it's a fucking billboard flying through the air every day well not just the not just a plane but like hey Craig when is your flight get in and it just says like they text you you text you the info and it's like the Pepsi Cola UA 1772 is around 4 oh well they do

have that sort of they have planes that are painted in for whatever like different ad campaigns and things like that that's super common though but I mean right on your boarding Pass, which you have to look at all the time. Yeah, Taylor Swift Airlines. She just buys United. She just slaps her name on United for a decade.

How sweet would that be? I guess she only flies private. Yeah. She would never do an ad on a commercial flight. Guys, real quick, before we go, we didn't talk about this, and I need it, I need to bring it up. The guy who lost in the pole vault because of his dick hitting the pole. Oh, yeah, yeah. We have to talk about this.

here's my question. We haven't talked about this. Here's my question. Would you rather win a gold medal in pole vaulting or be the guy who never won a medal because he's such a huge dick? Because his dick hit the pole and knocked it off. Lain answer, but I'd rather win a gold medal.

Craig, no one's going to remember you, though. No one cares. Do you want the gold and no one's going to, do you know anyone who's won a high, like a pole vault? Do you know the names of anyone who's... Actually, yes. The guy Mando just won. like the greatest pole volta of all time.

Yeah, he went viral because he ran around and kissed his girlfriend and went like a maniac. No one cared about the pole vault. But he like has the world record. He's like the best pole volta ever. Well, here's the problem with the gold medal pole vault. If you lead with I want to gold medal. But if you lead with I want a gold medal, but if you lead with I want a gold medal, then they're like for what? You're like pole vaulting.

Uh-oh. So you have to lead with you're a pole vaulter. You're like, really? Yeah, I want a gold medal. It's like, whoa. Like you have to you know what I mean? Yeah, but like look. The slow motion shots of him doing. I'll never forget that. Like that is etched into my memory of these Olympics. It's like his dick just hitting the thing and knocking the pole off.

But like are we going to remember him or 10 years or now? We're going to be like remember the guy whose dick hit the pole. I don't even know his name. But it's about being that guy. I guess that's true, Craig. It's like you're known for the thing. No one's going to remember his name probably. No, it's like remember the kid who said, I like turtles.

It's like, do you know that guy's name? I remember a million memes of people who went viral. but I don't know any of their names. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. And you're hitting on someone.

Then it comes up that you're the pole vault guy. That's the utility. Yeah, Google my name. Yeah. I mean, it's cool that they can. That's fair because people who just go viral for something stupid, they truly only have 15 minutes of fame. And there's like, they're not professional athletes.

This guy's cool. Toa girl hiring a marketing campaign and she's going to like sell something. This guy at least he was in a bar and somebody's like, that's the guy who's dick hit the pole. A girl could be like, oh my God, you're an Olympic athlete. And he's like, yeah. But if you're just like, oh, I'm the I like turtles kid, that guy's got nothing. Right.

You know, maybe I don't know what he's doing now. Like impressive. Well, we didn't ask you if you want to be like, I like turtles kid or win a gold medal. So Craig's taking the gold. What are you doing? Oh, man. So it says, would you rather have 15 minutes of fame or win the gold medal? No, I'd rather be the guy.

Do you want your dick to live in infamy? It's not infamy. Or it's pho me. For me. It's funny. Your dick to be immortalized in an Olympic lore. It's dick for me, yeah.

I think I've taken that. You're taking... There's a million gold medals. How much money do you get with a gold medal? This guy's probably gonna get a lot. He's gonna get a lot of, like... Is it the same for every country? No, every country pays their own athletes

and it's different stuff. America pays like 38K per athlete. But that's just like actually from like the Olympic Committee or whatever, but obviously if you're Simone Biles, you have like million endorsements. And, you know, if you're in the synchronized water team, not really. Well, I guess flavor, flavor has you.

How do I find this guy? Pole vault or penis guy? Dick, Dick guy. Pole vault, dick guy. Dick pole. What is his name? Is it Anthony Amarotti? Would you, we should the pole and Spotify be what we said earlier about,

do you have two receivers or three? Should it be? Would you rather win a gold medal or be the pole vault dick guy? Which should be the pole for today. Yeah, I think this guy is got to do it. I think we just got to supersede it. So if we're running a poll, P-O-L-E. Oh, Paul?

Oh, yeah. So in case we, you're listening to out, if you made it all the way, we, earlier we were like, oh, we did you play two receivers or three? No, screw that. We're going to do, would you rather win a gold medal or be the pole vault? That guy. Okay. Well, isn't there, do you think this guy, his name is Anthony Amarotti?

Do you think he is happy or upset? Oh, I think it depends if he has like a partner or not. If you're married, you probably don't want this to happen to you. He's 21. So maybe single. He's thrilled. You think that you're out of your mind. No, he's disappointed 100%.

He worked this whole life for that moment. His dick hit the bar and he lost. Why didn't he let it? Why did he have something like a little tighter? I don't know why it was it taped down. Yeah, what's going on there, man? Really pin that thing up against the leg or something. Is this the first time this has happened?

You have four years to trade. He was like wearing the white Goodman outfit. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he pumped it up. Are we, are we sure it wasn't his balls? Are we sure? I'm not sure, actually.

Do we have to watch this again in slow motion, like this a Pruder film? He needs to wear a cup next time. Well, the cup would be worse. No, then that big thing flopping around, no way. Not a cup, just a jockstrap. Also, a cup would be a jockstrap. I hated wearing a cup.

Do you have zero NFL players wear one except the center? It's so uncomfortable. Yeah. it would probably be not worth it in pole vault it's probably you probably lose because of the cup it'd be harder to run in that thing and like remember your body comfortably i feel like they need to make like the elastic pants a little like more you watch the Olympics a little like it should be tighter there's just too much movement happening in there was a lot of who made the fanatics I think did all the Olympics yeah uniforms they need just like a little bit thicker you know material would be helpful is this Michael Rubin is the Michael Rubin's fault I don't think so. No? He has enough problems right now. All right.

That's all we got. Go to Spotify vote on whatever poll we decided on. USA down six. Oh, God. All right. Steph's got 27, eight threes. I got to turn this fucking game on. If you're listening on not Spotify, go to Spotify, go to this episode title and

vote in the Spotify poll, please. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai for editing this episode. Thank you everyone for help behind the scenes. Thank you, Kira. Thank you, Jack. Thank you.

everyone emailings for ring your fantasy football at gmail.com rankings of fancy football.com. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, pit bull. Dude, I love Mr. Worldwide. My dumbest favorite song is Hotel room service by Pippel.

Hotel, Motel, Holiday Inn. Can you imagine trying to like land the plane on a threesome by being like holiday in? Don't worry about your boyfriend. Just meet me at the hotel. He's the best. Dude, he's the best. Pitbull and like

Flowrider, that whole era of like pop rap is the best. Dude. It's just like, it's pure party music with no deeper meaning and I love it.

Who's the guy who does the going down for real? Flowrider. Oh yeah. The goat. Yeah. Club can't handle me all time bang.

You're right. That era of music is pretty sick. Miami got to figure it out. It's like house parties. That's what I associate with that. His name is. flow rider like come on it's an all-timer

that's like an all-time name like that could only happen in 2008 flow rider that's honestly I feel like you could argue it's one of the best names for any artist ever it's perfect it is it is everything I need to know about you yeah flow rider that's okay got it I like the further we get away from the aughts the more distinctive it becomes you know what I mean like the 90s Extremely distinctive decade.

The 90s. You're right. Eras crystallized themselves the further away you are from them. I totally agree. So where did the era change with Pitbull? Did LMFAO kill it?

No, I think, I think. Craig, your best take is that that's the, that every generation is a song that you would be like embarrassed to share with other generations and that party rock is ours? It's, I think it's party rock or it's, I'm in Miami bitch.

I think that one's the worst one. It all comes back. to Florida. It all comes back to Florida. I will say, I looked up going down for real. That was in 2014. Yeah, that was a little later. Yeah, but that was not his,

his big songs were low, was like his big one right round, Club Cane Hamill. Those were around 2009, I think. 2008. But even Whistle was like 2012. That was everywhere. Yeah, because FloRite's song

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