The Ringer NFL Show - Final 2024 NFL Mock Draft

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

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Yeah, boom. Just keep going. The train never stops. So we're going to get into, we're just going to kind of try to figure out what's going to happen in the draft. We're going to look at our mocks and be like, why are you wrong? Or why are you wrong? And that's it.

Figure out who's right. First, gentlemen, we have some news. Oh, big news. Zach Wilson has been traded to the Denver Broncos. Deca. How does this change the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, landscape of the lead. Do you think the chief should be quivering in their boots now that

Zach Wilson's in the AFC? Oh, yeah. This is big. This is big. If you, if you're a boomer and you have a wife in the Denver area, please be careful. Jack Wilson is now in town. No, I don't know. I don't think this changes anything, to be honest. It's one of those things where they could get him for, it was a pick swap in like sixth and seventh round. They gave, they took on a little bit of his of his salary. They have now what could be their backup quarterback. I don't know. It doesn't really change anything. I think they still could take a quarterback in the draft. So like maybe, maybe this means they're not going to trade up.

Do you think that indicates anything? I think nothing is indicated. I take nothing from this at all. Well, so like, Zach Wilson did beat the Eagles last year. Are you happy that Zach Wilson does not trade it into the NFC? Zach Wilson beat the Eagles last year?

Yeah. Gosh, almighty. That's horrible. Can't imagine rooting for a team that lost Zach Wilson. It couldn't be me, won't be me, never will be. All right. other news. Matt Ryan retired.

Was he not already retired? I was super confused. Well, the link told him he was, but yes. I think he was, but it's like you got to put the thing on with like, you know, go sign the one day contract and official and whatever. So I don't know. It is what it is. It's kind of sad that all the NFL players have to have all 32 teams tell them no for like a full year or two until they're like,

yep, guess that's it. All right, let's get to it. We're going to go through, we're just going to go through the picks and we're going to be like, all right, what do you think is happening? I know we did that our live mock, but we're going to let DK pick this time. So I'm just going to go through the choices we made. And if we all agree, then, all right, cool. But we're going to go through some spots.

But yeah, we'll just start here. I mean, not much left to say at this point. Number one, we all have the bears taking Caleb Williams, quarterback to USC. I don't think much to say. Like, yeah, it's honestly going to happen. We can move on and talk about him for the next 10 or 20 years. I feel like the draft kind of starts at number two. DK., you have Jaden Daniels quarterback at LSU to Washington.

So can I both have Drake May? I've changed my mind. I had Jane Daniels for a while. I changed my mind. I think it's Drake May. Yes, I've changed my mind. It's exciting. DK, I know on your board at NFLdraft.30.com

where you have your top 100 players. You have Drake May as your second-list quarterback. So I know you would have Drake May if you were running the team. Why do you think Washington's going to take Jen and Daniels? I don't know. Teams are dumb. You know, this is things that have it. No, I don't actually think they would be dumb to take Jane Daniels.

obviously I have Drake May ranked a little bit higher than Jane Daniels. I think when I look at some of the reasons that Jane Daniels scares me, there's a lot of parallels to Justin Fields in terms of like his skill set, some of the things that Justin Fields struggles with in terms of pressure and scrambling and all that stuff. There's just a few too many parallels that's really fresh in my mind. So Jane Daniels scares me a little bit. That said, he has an incredible skill set, incredible talent, of course. But I don't know.

Teams do weird stuff every year, right? I kind of just went with Ackham's Razor here. Everybody thinks it's Jane Daniels, so it's probably Jane Daniels. So the flip side, the odds were Jane Daniels for the second pick were pretty, like,

Jane's Daniels was the favorite for quite a bit. Now this week, the odds changed. Now Drake May, Jane Daniels kind of more even now to be the second pick. Why do the odds move like that should people read it to it whatsoever? Yeah, D.K. said, Occam's Razor, it's Daniels.

To me, like, Occam's Fraser, it's not Daniels. Right? To me, it's like, So it's not Occam's Razor either way. Yeah. Yeah. No matter what, it's obvious that this is the case. Probably misusing that term.

Anyway. Listen, Occam's Razor, I think we're getting the term right. Who was Occam anyway? Don't worry about it. He's a guy with a razor and he knew how things were going. Like Daniels, to me, like it just has never passed the sniff test. I've been saying on this pod like once a week at this point, like, I don't think it's Daniels Lock and Stone.

I think there's going to be market movement. I think you're going to see May take money and JJ take money. Both of those things have happened. in the last week or so. The fact that so many reporters, like and big reporters, Adam Schaefter, Ian Rappapap, De Janice, Daniel, Jeremiah,

all these people were saying, like, man, everyone's telling me that it's Jaden. And the fact that the markets weren't moving aggressively towards that, kind of moving only moderately toward that, indicates that I think it's, there's no hard and fast information right now.

There is nobody in the space, whether an NFL reporter or a big money better or some random Reddit guy claiming Will Levis is going to go first overall. There's nobody. right now who has what is like an actionable hard piece of information as what the commanders are doing it too. So I fall back on for most of the year of the NFL people that I've talked to and the film that I've watched leads me to believe that Jake May is QB2. And I don't think

there's anything prohibitive about his profile as a younger player, as a player who's played in an air raid system before that would put him below Jaden Daniels for the commander specifically. So I lean, I lean May, but really what I lean is non-Jaden over Jaden. Like if it's J-J-J-J-J-J-J-I, I won't be surprised. I think it's just like, I think it's more open than, then, then we wanted to think, to believe. I think we're three days out. We don't know who the second overall pick is. That's the long and the short of it. Number three, we've got, so Sulk and I both have the same top three. We have Caleb to the Bears and then Drake May to Washington and the Silicon and I build of Jen Daniels to the Patriots, D.K., you have, Drake May. What you have is the Patriots trading the third

pick to Minnesota and Minnesota taking Drake May, which kind of, to Sillick's point, like, I feel like some real uncertainty has been introduced this week. We also have a tweet here from Diana Rossini. That says, The New England Patriots are listening and taking calls from teams looking to move into three. And while Elliot Wolfe is running point, I'm told Patriots President Jonathan Kraft is heavily involved in the decision making.

And then Bill Simmons retweeted it with the picture of Bill at the Celtics game. Which, by the way, Bill's dropping the Bill Simmons meme. That's pro post him right there. That's just a veteran at the peak of his game. Every time awful announcing As a story about Bill, they use that photo I'm like, not gonna lie, that's a banger.

Bill used it back, it's good posting right there. No two ways around it. D.K., when you see the craft, like, when you see the craft, not just Bobcraft, but Jonathan Kraft, the son involves, how confident you the Patriots are going to do a good job with this, this crap?

I feel like 96% of the time if an odor is involved in decision-making, it's a bad idea. My first instinct when I saw that Jonathan Craft is heavily involved in the decision making would point to them taking a quarterback. So maybe I'm wrong here, actually, because I have them trading out. My rationale, I think, for the Patriots trading out is this is Elliot Wolf's first draft. And maybe he just doesn't want to get married to the first girl he dates kind of deal.

Like this is, you know what I mean? Like this is his first opportunity to make a pick? Is he going to just immediately hitch his wagon to a quarterback? That's kind of where I am. And I like Drake May. And I think, you know, it sounds like the Patriots like Drake May. Sounds like they have a couple of different quarterbacks that they like at the spot. But in the scenario that I present in my mock draft, because I threw caution to the win and basically said,

F it, I'm going to be wrong about most of this stuff anyways. Let's like have fun with it. The Vikings trade essentially three first round picks to move up. They trade 12, 23 or 12, whatever, 11, 23, and next year's first, which is a godfather type deal that the Patriots just cannot pass up essentially in this scenario. Do I feel confident that that will happen? No, but I think there is definitely a universe in which the Patriots are just like, we're not quite ready to drop a quarterback into our team. We still have a lot of stuff to do in terms of building the offensive line,

the skill player group, all that stuff. And again, it's Elliot Wolf. Like, this is his first pick. Like, is he going to pick a quarterback with his first pick? I don't know. So, like, if the Patriots, well, first, if the Patriots stay and take you in Daniels, if, ah, man, hypothetically, if we had a boss who was a huge Patriots fan, who's probably listening to the show.

Should people, Patriots fans be excited that Jayden Daniels is the quarterback for New England if they take him or do you think Patriots fans like obviously

fans talk themselves into the guy. How would you help them talk themselves into Jayden Daniels at the pick? And then what do you actually think behind their back? This is always a challenge

of the draft process is that like we've spent the last three months trying to split the hairs between Jane and Daniels and JJ McCarthy. Put Drake May in there when you're talking about

two to the commanders. And I've said on this pod like man, here are the red flags of Jane. Here's what concerns you with Jane. I'm not sure I want to hitch my wax my wagon to the future of this guy. I wouldn't like to take him at the price he's going to go, right?

When Jayon started to get put in their like top five pick, top ten pick, I was like, man, like he's likable, but like I don't know if we should be taking a guy this high. The moment the dude's drafted, all the nuance, it just becomes good, bad. All the nuance goes away, right? Like if Jane Daniels was good, then he was worth three. And if he was bad, then he wasn't worth 100. Right? Like, there, and obviously there are actual shades of gray.

But really like a lot of the consternation and conversation that we have redraft just kind of falls by the way, waste out once the guy's in the building, right? It's okay, you got Jaydon Daniels. It could have been with a at pick three, with a tradeback, with a trade-up, this kind of, he was on the board, that was on the board. But now, like, Jayden is a patriot.

Of course there's reason to be excited. You watch Jayden play? Like, he's electric. He's lightning in a bottle, right? One of the things that I've really been struggling with with Jaden is that one of my big, you know, things that I've vocalized, one of the things that I believe is that, like,

mobile quarterbacks are high floor quarterbacks, right? You should like it in this guy in the building and feel like, it's not just a ceiling thing because he's a dual threat. It's a floor thing because he's able to eliminate sacks and eliminate negative plays. And obviously, Jaden still takes a lot of sacks. So he's a very tough player for me personally he calibrate too. But once he's in the building, man,

just turn like YouTube, Jaden Daniels highlights, 2023 Heisman and then watch it. And then you're like, yeah, he's like, that's in there. And there are worlds in which he gets that into the league and he's successful. And so absolutely they should be excited about it.

Everything else is just like us, you know, creating content. Did you guys see the... Did you guys see the video? on Sunday of Kevin O'Connell, the coach of the Vikings at church. And so I guess he was talking about... Was he preaching? What was he doing?

What was he? Not a panel, but I think he was just up there talking about what's it like to, I don't know, be the head coach of Vikings and also, yeah, I believe in God. And I think it was just a mix of those two things. And then he got up,

and I think a lot of people are talking about other stuff. And then someone walks up to the podium or the mic, like a Q&A style. And someone walks up and says, so, Kevin, I think expecting to talk about faith and says, so, you know, when you're looking at, like, J.J. McCarthy and Jim Harbaugh's system, he's got really good, great refined footwork, but Drake May got the armed talent, the anticipation to, like,

throw and create windows, you know, do you like, you know, it's like, how do you balance those two things versus upside versus floor? And he really respect the question. Yeah. Yeah. And he gave a really, Kevin O'Connell gave like a really, like, detailed answer. And then the guy kept following up about. And so Kevin O'Connell at one point says, yeah, I may have sent Robert Kraft, the Patriots owner, like a flowers,

a bouquet of flowers this week, hoping that they can trade up. Like he said that on son. Oh, wow. So, Dekyll, you might be on here here. Well, I think for the longest time, and especially since the Vikings made the trade to come into the first round with the team that I'm blanking on.

Anyway, they traded into the first round to get the second first round. Texans, that's right. Ever since then, I think a lot of people have assumed that that trade was in order for them to come up and get J.J. McCarthy. But now, I think over the last week or two, there's been more and more people connecting the Vikings to Drake May. There's coaching connections with Drake May. One of their assistant coaches coach Drake May in high school. Josh McCown.

So, like, there's certainly connections there. Drake May, I think, would fit great in the Vikings. I think Ben and I are both wishcasting Drake May to the Vikings because we like that fit. We like that landings by that system for him, that sported cast for him. That offense is great for JJ right now, right? I think it's very similar, like,

in terms of what the Minnesota offense asked him to do. JJ McCarthy and Justin Jefferson that have two Jays. That's too confusing. We can't do that. That's easier. It's same people's same name. It's great.

It's great for McCarthy right now. The question is, how would it develop May? Because it's a lot of timing, a lot of footwork, a lot of what the asker was talking about to the Vikings. But what you can argue is, is that it's a really good offense to develop May, right?

Because they have the receivers that will award aggression, and they have the willingness to open up throws intermediate deep area of the field. Like, you don't want May to end up in a spot where he's playing dink and dunk with bad receivers. Like, he's just going to make mistakes. He's not that sort of a quarterback. And so it's good for JJ now, and it's also good for May's development. So either pick for them a quarterback, I think is a winner. Number four, we have Cardinals.

We all have Marvin Harrison, Jr. I have the Cardinals trading down and back up. It's a little for Cockback of Galaxy Brain Trade. It's probably probably could happen. happen, though. I just, well, it's funny because part of me thinks it a little enough for having the Cardinals trade to make like a marginal thing. But I will say, Monty Austin for is the GM of the Cardinals. So it's funny quote in his pre-draft press conference. And he was basically asked about, are you taking calls from the fourth pick instead of just

taking Marvin Harrison, Jr.? Right. Or less was the question. He said, we've, it was funny. He said, we've had talks with multiple teams, multiple teams have checked in with us about a trade. I think the way I look at it is I love my house. I love where I live. My wife loves where I live. if all of a sudden there's a knock on my door and someone offers me something, I'm going to look and I'm going to see what they're offering me for my house. And if I open that up and that offers something I'm not expecting,

hey Shannon, let's go, pack up. It's time to roll. Everybody has a price. Number one. Everybody has a price too. Just sell the house without talking to the wife. That's wild. Shannon was giving a press conference at the same time at her place of work being like, I told Monty, you don't do anything without talking to me first.

A warning press conference from Shannon. You got your story out there. Oh, my God. So, yeah, I'm a little worried for Monty Austin for its personal life. We're doing a big Monty Love Fast recently. Like, oh, look at this video of him making calls. That's pretty cool. And look at how he knows which teams have which picks.

That's pretty exciting. Cool stuff. Let's remember that, like, three overall became Will Anderson, and Will Anderson was very good. Let's not like, oh, Monty traded back and trade up. And Paris Johnson was great. Don't get me wrong. Let's not act like he, like, you know, slithered his way out of a bad spot.

Staying and taking a Will Anderson. Anderson would have been amazing for the Cardinals. A little bit too much Monty Love going on in the media right now. It is incredible how the winners write history because for the same reason, like, I just keep thinking about how the Panthers get all the lumps. But if the Panthers would take it Siege Stroud, imagine if the Bears trading out of C.J. Stroud how much they get crap. It's crazy. I know. That is interesting. People reward surplus value and trades, I think more than the

actual players you get. Why? Because because, because the picks could become anything, D.K. Mystery box. It could be a boat. Yeah. So, all right, next step here. We have the Chargers. We all have J.C. Latham, the offensive tackle. I thought that was interesting. I did not see that cover. I think, I mean, I think we're saying two things.

I just think Latham to the Chargers because he was the number one recruit in America as a high schooler, Jim Harbaugh tried to get him. I think Jim Harbaugh cares about that stuff. I also think J.C. Latham is like a perfect Harbaugh tackle. Like, Chargers are just going to be running this like gap style, like just more like power, run blocking. I just think he makes a win. And he's a right tackle.

Like he goes, right, for Sean Slater, as a left tackle. Like he just makes more. sense to me. But I think there's a lot here like the Chargers. We also all have them trading. D.K., you have the Chargers taking Latham at 5, but then it's harder to mock out trades. I think we all think they can move back

and take Latham. I think what's interesting is we're all basically agreeing. And Solex, please don't let me speak for you if I'm wrong. We're all basically agreeing that Chargers probably would take J.C. Latham, an offensive lineman over receiver, even if Malik Neighbors at LSU is there or

Romaduz is there, even though the charge need a receiver. Because we're saying Jim Harbaugh is just like a weird quirky guy who runs the ball. But he's taking a lesser player because of his philosophy. So what are the odds in two years? We're pretty pissed that Justin Herbert doesn't have Marvin Harrison Jr. And we're like, Jesus, what is going on here? Like, I don't know. Are we just going to be like furious about this?

It depends on where he goes, first of all, Marvin Harrison. And you could make the argument we'd be mad if they do end up with Marvin Harrison and then throw the ball 23 times a game. You know, from a fantasy point of view, that's not ideal, obviously. you want a quarterback you want to give with a quarterback's going to throw 40 40 times a game or 50 or whatever um so but yes like I think I built in personally the idea that the chargers are like a big target for teams to trade into that five spot the charges end up trading back get j C. Latham so I still get points or pairing J.C. Latham with the chargers uh even if I didn't get the exact trade parameters right or whatever so I think there's a little bit of that going on here. But, That being said, like even if they don't move, again, I don't think we have a strong, strong grasp on who the top tackle in this draft class is, according to NFL teams. Even though I think right now the consensus is probably Joe Alt. I don't think we know that for sure.

The teams feel that way as well. Joe, I forgot that we called Joe Alt, like Steve Holt. Joe, Joel. Joe, yeah. So like, I agree. Hyatt's like, oh, it would be so hardball. Like, how silly. Take the right tackle.

And not even Joe Alt, it was left tackle. Take the right tackle over the receivers. But I also like I will get it. The charges are not going to dominate this year. That's not happening. There are no, I think confluence of draft picks at least the charges to be like actually like quite good year. I think they can be like, say that to Jim Harbaugh's face, you coward.

Right. Now what, so accordingly, like my priority for the year is going to be like offensively. I'd like to establish identity, establish culture, which for them is offensive line. I'd also like to protect the heck out of Justin Herbert who got hurt last year. Right. And to me, you do that through past protection where they are like, we talk about right tackle. they might have guard problems too. And they might have center problems because Corey Lindsay's getting old and medically retiring.

And so, like, there's just so much on the office line that needs help. I would want to start that now and figure, hey, like, there's going to be good receivers in round two, round three. Next year's round one. Next year's round six, man. Like, those receivers everywhere versus, like, right now I can go and just have Rashon Slater and J.C. Leithen be my tackle duo for the next decade. That's not like totally, oh, how silly Harbaugh.

No, that's got merit to. I really believe that. All right. Next up here. We all have the Giants have the sixth pick. We all have been taking receivers. I have them taking Malik neighbors, or sorry, DK and I have them taking Malik neighbors at LSU.

Sulk, you have the Giants taking room of Dunezay. I will go on the record saying, if Jaden Daniels or Drake May felt of the Giants, I would a thousand times that a thousand take them, but they're all gone. McCarthy, I don't want it from the Giants. My only thought here, neighbors are Dunezai. So like, I have a reason,

but I'm curious why you put Odunzzi to the Giants. And was it to be contrary? And is their style reason? Because I have one thought, if the Giants do this, I have a take. I think Odunzee is a better player than neighbors. So that's a big part of it, right? And we've had enough people talk about, you know, like, there's some people that have

Malik neighbors wide receiver one. It's also been said. Some people have Malik neighbor's fighter receiver three, right? Like, I don't think it's outside of the realm possibility that there are teams with the Rome ranked above Malik. And then for the Giants, I think the Giants have invested a lot in players who play in the slot and players who win with quickness and explosiveness. And Wondell Robinson, Jalen Hyatt.

They already have Darius Slayton in hand, right? That's just been their mold. And they don't have a guy who just is quarterback friendly, ex-receiver does everything at all three levels. Like Rome just, like the Giants are in a process of like a massive offensive identity shift. Like with Sequin Barkley gone with Darren Waller potentially retiring. Like who on the Giants right now are you positive was going to be a giant on offense in two years? Andrew Thomas.

John Michael Schmitz? Like who do you know? Like Daniel Bellinger, man. Like he's like, there's not a lot of certain. Rome is just. Rome is a cornerstone. John Shiggen, Chinglehem. Rome's going to work for any quarterback in any system.

He's always going to have a job on the field. He's so versatile. he's a minus to B plus in every single category you can be at a wide receiver. I just think he's the far steadier, more reliable pick. I will be over the moon if the Giants get a Dunez-A. All right, next step,

we have Tennessee Titans at number seven. We all have Joe Alt. Joe-all. Joe-L. To Tennessee Titans. We all have Joe-all. Everybody has Joe-all. This is the most chalk pick in the entire draft.

This is the 11, all-11 studio analysts picking the same team to win and then they lose. So, I mean, are we just complete, like, there's no chance to Titans take Joe Alt here, right? there's no chance everybody gets this pick right. That's my first. That's my first thought. Again, I keep coming back to it.

I think what makes this like doing mock drafts and this draft hard is we don't have a strong, strong grasp. I think on like the hierarchy of how teams would place these tackles. For the longest time, early like during the college season, I think Olu Foshanu was considered the like the next great left tackle in the league. You know what I mean? And then for some reason, he's gotten beaten up throughout the process a little bit. Obviously, he hasn't fallen a ton. but, you know, maybe NFL teams are just gaslighting us, and Olu Foshano is the top tackle in this class.

Maybe it's, you know, Troy Fautno from Udub, who everybody loves the most because of what he did at the combine. To me, nothing would surprise me in terms of the order in which these tackles come off the board. And so if the Titans don't take Joe Alt, maybe they take Fashanu or whoever, I'm not going to be surprised whatsoever. Okay.

I love D.K. each time, it's kind of like, yeah, yeah, who knows? The points are made up anyway. We're talking about a game, you know? Okay, so next up, number eight, we have the Atlanta Falcons. We, D.K., you have them taking Byron Murphy, defensive tackle at Texas. I have the Rams trading out with the Falcons at the spot. The Rams moving up for Roma Dunzee. So like you have the Jaguress trading the spot.

Don't let him do that. I just think as the Seahawks fan, please don't let him do that. I think Sean McVeigh wants a Dunezay and Sean McVeigh calls up Rahe-Morris and the Rams don't care about their picks. and the Rams are like, it will just give me a first for room. Is Cooper Cup to retire then? Is that part of this equation?

No, he's going to go to a farm upstate. Right. So like you have the same thing, though, with the Jaguars taking Malik neighbors. Like the same idea. The third receivers in the board, the Falcons move back. I think it makes sense.

Yeah, they probably want a defender. And the Falcons are a really good trade spot here because if that third receiver is there, the Falcons can move back and probably still get one of the top defenders. So Atlanta's in a really good spot if they want to make a move. How aggressive do you think teams should be? be trying to get to a receiver in this spot, though. Yeah, I think there's, I think in a lot of drafts,

Roma Dune's Day is the best receiver in the draft. And I think a lot of drafts, Mike Nevis, the best receiver in the draft. I think a lot of drafts Marvin Harrison. Like, I think we have three guys who are like the top five picks, right? Like that caliber of the tippy, tippy, tippy, tippy top of this class. And then I think after that, I think got Brian Thomas, who was quite good and should be around one player. And then after that, it's just like, Anni Mitchell, Ladman, McConkey, Keaard Coleman,

Xavier Legate, Troy Franklin, Zaver. It's just like a mess of guys who are all to me, like, early round two. dart throws, see if we can get 800 yards out of the dude. I think it's a top heavy class. I think it's a really deep day two and day three, but I think it's top heavy overall. I said almost the exact same thing to high fits before the show, Ben. Basically, any of those

three guys are sitting there at eight or nine, and I feel like there's going to be phones ringing off the hook, teams trying to trade up and grab one of those guys. I think the other players at the position are massive high variance players. You know what I mean? Certainly some of them could be really,

really good. But a lot of them analytically look like potential busts. I think there's big question marks about their total skill set, how refined they are. But the top three guys in this class, they're Dunezai, neighbors, and Marvin Harrison, Jr. are elite prospects, basically across the board, whether it's just from the eye

test, statistically, analytically, athletically, size, all that stuff. So I think that is going to be a perfect spot for either of those teams, the Bears or the Falcons, to trade back, you know, get a little bit more draft capital, build the team up. And again, the other thing to mention here is this is such a offense heavy draft.

We still haven't seen a defender go off the board here. And we could see the top 10 picks go by and no defensive players picked. And that wouldn't be even a little surprising. In fact, that would probably be the chalk like way it goes, right? And so I think that's another very interesting storyline that I'm going to be watching on Thursday is like when is a first defensive player going to go and who's it going to be? You guys both have Byron Murphy as the first defensive player. that's the scuttle butt

Hive. It's Occam's razor, man. It's happening. Occam's just like leads like this giant global gambling rings. My guy, Occam, texted me the other day and he was saying Byron Murphy, first offensive player, top 10. Right in an ink. I'll be throwing the phrase Occam's Razor around a lot

this week in reference exclusively to this show. The gambling syndicate, yeah. Occam's gambling syndicate. Yeah, so many people are saying this. Yeah. People are talking about it's a big thing. All right? Byron Murphy top 10. That's like, it's like, it's the, it's the fad. I think like, with still a good shot, it's Dallas Turner, La Tzu, Latu, I think the corners are a dark horse, maybe.

But Byron Murphy is just, I remember when I watched Byron Murphy, and I was just like, oh, like, he's way better than Devonre Swelick. This is the guy. But at that time, it was like, Dras on Newton and, okay, he's going to be somewhere in, in round one. The first mock I did, I had Murphy go 19 to the Rams, and I was looking back at, like, the consensus mock draft trackers. And that was really high. And I was like, all right. I'm playing my flag on Byron Murphy. And now, like, people got Byron Murphy going eight.

And I was like, Frank, no, this was, I thought I had it. It very much seems like like the league is, is everyone's there on this guy. He's a bona fide last rounder. He's going to go top 15. Just kind of a question of how the defensive board falls. Not for nothing, by the way. Latest that the first defensive player has come off the board in NFL draft history is the eighth overall pick. Oh, right now.

Okay. I was telling you, picks one through seven are offense, brother. All right? Yeah. It's going to be offense. So if Murphy ain't going eight, no defensive players going eight, we're watching history with every pick that the top defensive player falls. Yeah, I had the exact same sort of journey, Ben.

Basically, I think I remember early on in the process, I was mocking Byron Murphy in the late teens, 20s at times, and that's like about where everyone kind of assumed he was going to go. But more and more over the last few weeks, you keep hearing top 10. I think there's another discussion to be had about like positional scarcity. Defensive tackles, I think, are being looked at more and more in the league. and you look at the way that they're being paid as a premium position. And so, you know, there's, I think, two really, really highly regarded interior defensive

tackles in this class, Byron Murphy and Shurzon Newton. You know, there's a couple other guys I think are very interesting and potentially going to be very good, but, you know, for whatever reason, undersized or lack of production, all that stuff, probably going to fall to day two. And so maybe there's going to be teams clamoring to get that defensive tackle who they think is elite. And that's why they're willing to take a guy like Byron Murphy. over like a Dallas Turner or Leon Tu Latte, both of which, both of whom have some pretty

major question marks about their game. So I could have, like, I could talk myself into it rationally why he would be the first defensive player pick. Next up here, Occam's Razor says the ninth pick is the Bears. Right. So like as Byron Murphy. D.K., you have the Bears trading out to get Roma Dunes. I think that makes sense.

I will say, I think this is what I have heard, and I believe is I think the Bears want one of the top three receivers. I think if the top three receivers are gone. So like, you were just laughing in tight. Who are you texting? Charles McDonald's of Yahoo sent me a clip of a quasar one-shotting a charger in Helldivers 2, which is really big news because I'm bad with the Chargers. The Chargers killed me regularly.

What did you say? What did you say? Quasar. Quasar? Quasar. I don't know. It's one of the guns at Helldivers 2, which, by the way, is a delightful game for those who have not played.

No idea what you're talking. Chargers are these big armored bugs that are really hard to kill. And now there's a weapon that one-shots them. And that is thrilling news for 1.30 a.m. Ben. Were you watching that video while D.K. was talking? No, he just sent it to me, and I had seen the video before, and I was just responding to it. Ben has incredible powers of multitasking. Ben has an incredible inability to stay on topic.

The power is one way of framing it. I don't think that's the most common way. Yeah, no, dude, I have like a month left of my life to play video games, and I've been milking it for all sorts. He's doing it during a podcast. No, not during a pod. I'm saying with the baby coming. I've been playing. I've been playing a lot of hell divers.

And I'm terrible, but it is a good time. Start playing your hell divers too during the show. Oh, is that the espresso? Oh, shout out. Corey's setting you coffee for the espresso award. Is that? Yeah, shout of Corey. Counterculture, baby.

Heard you talking about all the espresso art, set it our way. And how much I love food and consuming. Yeah, there you go. What was that? Oh, the Bears. Anyway, so like back, you can just go back to the video game. I'll talk to D.K. So the Bears, I think the Bears want a top three

receiver and then I think if they're gone and I think they will be I I have heard that the bears are going to take Jared verse the Florida State defensive event who I think I don't know how many other teams would do that at this spot but the bears want who they want who they want team they did that with darn no right last year right right right I was going to say that that feels like a darnow right type of pick yeah they're the they're the Trent bulky they're like yeah we're old and we're we're just we are who we are we like where we like it doesn't feel like a darnall right picked me because I like Darno Wright. And I'm just like, I don't like,

I got that. This is, the edge thing is tough, man. I think right now, if you polled a thousand NFL draft betters and media members and plugged in people and reporters, whatever, you would get 333 people saying Lox who's the first edge off the board, 33 saying Dallas Turner and 33

saying Jaredverse. Like, it is, I do not know which teams like which edge and where they feel willing to take them and who's going anywhere. I have no clue. Like this is a pretty hard draft me to prognosticate And that edge trio is a huge part of the reason why I really think the Bears like verse

But to DK's point They have four picks Like I think they have to trade debt Like the Bears pick like first, ninth And then like 75th And then they have one more So I just think Chicago's gonna want Yeah, they can move down and get verse anyway

They have one day three pick Right now one pick Like they still need to fill out a roster It's not sexy It's like if your starting quarterback Like they have that But it's like they need to get younger So I think it makes sense

So for the record, hyphids, I had them trading out even though Dune's Day was still there at nine. That's spicy. Basically because of everything that we talked about, there's going to be, I think, a lot of people calling if what Dune's day is sitting there at eight or nine. And that gives the bears a lot of leverage. And I think they could get a second round pick potentially from a team that's trying to trade into there, depending on how far they're trading up from. But, I mean, like, look at the last few drafts, how in demand the top receivers have been. Like going back a couple of years with the Lions trading up from the 20s to get to 11. I think it was to that was the,

was that the pick that you tipped Solek the, yeah, when he said loins. The loins? It could have been anyway. It could have been anywhere. It wasn't.

When the loins went up and got Javis and Williams. I just, see, the thing D.Ks, I just tip so many picks correctly and with correct. It's just hard to keep remember and keep them all straight. Right, right, right. Yeah,

I get that. But anyways, I feel like this is the NFL now that they have a huge, huge emphasis and put a huge amount of value on top tier receivers. And so again, that's why I put that there. I think the bears, because they have, they lack just numbers of picks, frankly, they could be looking to trade out of that spot, even if Odunze is there. So, all right. So the 10th one here, the Jets have the 10th pick.

You guys both have Brock Bowers to the Jets. I have Troy Fauton, the tackle guard out of Washington. I'm stunned. I'm not going to lie. You guys are the Brock Bowers for the Jets is the conventional choice. That's the Occam's razor, as some would say. I don't understand it at all. I genuinely don't understand Brock Bowers to the Jets at all.

Who's the Jets number two receiver? Well, Alan Lazard, I think, has been put out to pasture in the same form of state. You just told the everything I need to know. I guess here's my point, though. No, but it doesn't make any sense to me, though, because for two reasons. One, okay. Rookie tight ends almost, well, here's my question, though. Rookie tight ends almost very rarely work out.

And we have, you know, one at the last nine rookie tight ends has gotten a contract extension. And it's just like it's, and you're like, Like, all right, fine, Brock Bowers is different. I'll give you that. But then you also have Aaron Rogers, who very famously, like, does not, has not integrated rookie receivers. Like, so you're kind of putting two stacking bets.

That's a valid. That is a valid? One over the other. Like, you're like, not only is Brock Bowers, this outlier tight end who will produce his rookie, Aaron Rogers, at 40 years old, will change his lifelong behavior and integrate him. Because here's thing,

everything the Jets have done is about this year. Like, if they don't like the playoffs, they're getting fired. And so I'm like, they're going to take, Brock Bowers will get them fired when he isn't doing anything by October. He's going to get them fired. Do we know how open Brock Bowers is to certain conspiracies and just how open-minded is Brock Bowers is actually something that's pretty important. He doesn't really talk a lot is what we know about Brock Bowers.

My thing is that like while I hear you on Rogers with rookie pass catcher is bad, I do think that Roger, like the Rogers of today, 24, 40 years old coming off the Achilles injury, he's just going to have to make concessions of the Rogers of previous days in it. Like Rogers was doing that when he was like grumpy and green. day and he wanted to be more MVP's. Now it's like, hey, like, this is what you got here. Like, you need to produce.

Like, we built this around you. If you're just like, oh, I'm not throwing a Brock Bowers. Like, we're going to suck. And it's going to be embarrassing for you, dude. So maybe it's his lesser, like his, you know, he sticks to it anyway, he sticks to his guns. But he's got to be willing to give a little bit. I think that, but he doesn't, though.

He's who he is. Where you say, D.K. Well, first of all, I think the narrative with him, not passing to like rookie receivers or whatever. It's like, first of all, the Packers famously didn't choose a receiver in the first round ever

when he was with the team. Sixth round rookie receivers. So it was like, this wasn't the same quality of player and prospect that we're talking about right now. And number two, I actually think Bowers schematically

when you think about the things that Aaron Rogers loves to do is perfect because one of Aaron Rogers most favorite things to do is get to the line scrimmage, look at the defense, see that somebody's playing off or see like the way

that the defense is, line and then just like whip a smoke route just immediately pass it to his guy this is not the play i'm just giving it to my guy he's going to beat a guy off the line and he's going to pick up 15 yards and we see that all the time with tvante adams like they go up there and rogers just kind of does this thing and brock powers is the exact same time time you can move him around the formation if a guy is playing off he's going to break tackles and create extra yardage for you he was used on sweeps and screens constantly he was like a running back in you know i strongly agree with this take i like i like the fit actually i don't think it's very

reason it's the most reasonable pick because the Jets probably should take a tackle. Like that would be the most reasonable thing to do. However, I think Brock Bowers does fit what they're trying to do. And they don't have a number two receiver. Like, he is effectively their number two receiver. But I know, but Rogers never had a number two receiver. Like every year, he won the MVP twice and it was Devante Adams and like five number four receivers.

But whereas the Jets, I look at, they have two 33-year-old tackles and then also Elijah Vera Tucker has been hurt. And like, Fautonno reminds me a lot of Elijah Vera Tucker, Tucker, which, It's like when one of your 33-year-old offensive tackles breaks, Tyrone Smith hasn't played a full year in 10 years. You're going to have either AVT or Falun who could move to tackle. But if the guard gets hurt or he beats John Simpson at left guard, like you can play guard, they're going to play.

Whereas I just, if Brock Bowers is not integrated to the offense yet and the Jets Start 2 and 4, they might get Robert Sullivan might be fired by like, I don't know, mid-October. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't disagree with you, by the way. I don't actually disagree with this take. But, like Bowers will get them fired. I think that straight up.

Like, it's like if that doesn't work, you're like, if Nate Hackett can't make Brock Bowers work, you're done. That's kind of, I'm like, doesn't make any sense to me. But anyway, we can keep going. Yeah. 11th here, the Vikings have the 11th pick. We all think they'll trade it probably. Like, you know, we have different stuff.

We basically, so can I have Jay C. Latham, the Chargers here. D.K. you have the Patriots taking Foshana. We don't think that the team at the 11 pick now will make it later. So you just get to the Broncos with the 12th pick. This is spicy. Salt and I both have a defensive end to Denver. Dallas Turner. I have to Denver.

look you of Jared verse. D.K., you have J.J. McCarthy fall into the 12th back here. Yeah. Now. Occam's Razor, baby. Occam's Razor. I like it. For transparency, are you kind of saying the Broncos, one, are you saying the Broncos

are going to trade up for JJ McCarthy and you don't know where? Or two, are you saying J.J. McCarthy would be an excellent backup to future Hall of Famer Zach Wilson. I think, so obviously when we do these mock drafts, like, you want to pair teams with players. And so I am building in, in effect, the idea that the Bronch because could trade up for JJ McCarthy. I do, however, think there's a reasonable to maybe solid chance.

One of these quarterbacks falls quite a bit further than we're thinking. We always, every single year, we whip ourselves into a tizzy. The NFL's going to take four out of the first five picks are going to be quarterbacks. You know, like we do this every single year, literally going back to the beginning of when I started covering the draft. It felt like every year we're talking about, oh, yeah, this is the year the NFL is going to break the mold. And a bunch of quarterbacks are going to be the first couple picks. But it never happens. There's always guys falling into like early teens or whatever.

You just Patrick Mahomes was the 10th pick. I'm sorry, D.K., before, it's a good point. So like, you're laughing and typing again. Did you have another video? I was literally, I was laughing at D.K. I was smiling at D.K. Oh, okay. Sorry.

I interrupted. It's my fault. I have two screens up. So every so often I look to the other screen, I'm like pulling up a depth chart or something. I type very often on these pods. I'm now pulling up, I'm pulling up a chat with D. And I'm just talking about you the rest of the show.

I'm not saying for sure McCarthy is going to fall. I think there's obviously a world in which a team trades up to like four or five to take McCarthy. And then, you know, I'm eating my words on this. But a lot of times, I would say most years, almost every year in the past, some of these quarterbacks end up falling a little bit further than you think. But Justin Fields fell to 11. We were all shocked and dismayed when Justin Fields fell to 11. Mac Jones 15 in that draft.

You see it every single year, I feel like. And so, you know, again, there's a chance that it happens again this year. Lamar Jackson was the 32nd pick. I'm just going back further. Mitchell Chubisky was number two in 2017. Patrick Holmes 10. Sean Watson 12. You know, and so I think, again, during this time of year, we talk about these guys so much.

We recognize the importance of quarterbacks. But at the same time, it is a massive, massive investment. And again, like you're getting married to this person. You're pitching your job to this person's wagon, essentially. And so sometimes when the actual draft happens, decision makers are just like, I think I'm actually just going to take the tackle and then worry about a quarterback later.

You know what I mean? And so, again, I'm just presenting a situation. I'm just asking questions here. Maybe there's this chance that we don't see four or five quarterbacks go on the top five. I agree with this. I do think that if McCarthy starts to make it to like eight, someone's just going to trade up.

Because then the price is just like, okay, who cares? Like extra second, next year's first, whatever. go go go but I do think that yeah like once the fourth quarterback makes it past into the Giants at six if and when then it becomes a little bit of like a of a staring contest and if a guy falls like that I have to imagine it will be

McCarthy maybe it's May maybe I'm nuts I don't think I'm nuts maybe I'm nuts um Daniels would surprise me just with the amount of gas we've gotten at this point but yeah I agree with this that like I really don't think it goes one two three four it's never happened before

right one two three that's the thing it's never happened I was only happened three times. It's already rare that we've got one, two, three, so locked in. I don't think it's one, two, three, four. Also, while we're on Denver, just quick, did you see the uniforms? The Broncos released their uniforms that are due? They just looked like the University of Virginia.

Why can't teams do uniforms well anymore? You know how Hyphids on the Take Purge was like, I could run a team? Dude, I could design a uniform. Like, this is so not as hard as people think it is, man. I don't know why this is how stuff's going. It's so bad. The Broncos have what appear to be lightning bolts on the shoulder. They're in a division with the shirt.

Or in the division with the charge. It's fine. Have lightning bolts on their shoulders. Explain that to me. What's the design? It looks cool. Philosophy there. I'm looking at them now.

It's a Scherftertree. It's like a closer look at the Broncos and uniforms. And there's one version that's like blue with a white helmet. And I'm like, there's not even like that much orange on two of them. I could run a team, man.

I could do it. I could just, I would just get this like, nope, that looks like Virginia. You're just so right that it looks exactly like Virginia. Oh my gosh. It's one thing.

But that's the thing is like, the problem with all these uniforms is that they look, like people, like, I think teams think they like look sleek and they look modern.

It's like, it's like how like all logos suck now, right? They're all just like, angle, color. Like it's like, there's no more like character anymore.

It's one thing to do that, right, to fall into that trap and to be like, this would be sick. Well, I have a uniform that has just no character to it.

It just looks completely generic, mad and generated XFL. Sick. It's going to be awesome. Everybody's going to love it. It's another thing to have had the coolest old uniform. Yeah.

And we know you've got them. We know they're in the room. They're hanging somewhere. Patrick Coutin's wearing one in a pro propo thing right now. Like they're bringing them back. Right. To have had those old Denver uniforms and he'd be like, this is the way to go.

It's just so very, it's very disappointing. I think my biggest take on just NFL uniforms and uniforms in general is like, now all these teams have, I don't know, patented colors or whatever. Like they have these certain very specific. colorways that have specific names and Pat. Yeah, like the Rams white is bone. Right. You can't use primary colors anymore.

Like, give us some normal colors. That's all I ask. Right. It's like, oh, you know, Stampede Blue signifies the Broncos unrelenting dedication to winning football games. Homie, put a uniform on and go to ball game. You would signify unrelenting dedication to victory, not trading for Russell Wilson.

Anyway. Oh, my God. Go birds. So next step up here, We're the Raiders. You guys have the Raiders taking Ty and Arnold's quarterback at Alabama. I've been taking a red tackle.

We're basically all saying that the Raiders are not taking quarterback. It's like we're saying maybe they want Michael Pennix Jr. But we'll do it later in the second round or something, which I think makes sense. It's like, I think the Raiders probably want Pennix. They probably also, two ACL tears.

You could probably get them in the second round. Right. And the age. I just think it makes sense. But also the Raiders making sense that I think that's kind of mistake. I don't know. Right. This is the other thing that's so hard is like

trying to use. use rational, like, reason when you were talking about the draft and, like, oh, this is the rational thing that this team will do. Like, have you ever watched the draft? Teams do the most insane shit every year. It's wild. It's so fun to just go back and, like, just Google a draft from like four or five years ago. She'll be like, oh, yes, the 2020 NFL draft.

Let's see. Remember Isaiah Simmons, the eighth overall pick? C.J. Henderson, the ninth overall pick, right? Javon Kinlaw went 14 overall. You guys remember when Austin Jackson went 18, DeMont Arnett went 19, Caleb on Chase and went 20, and then Jalen Regger went 21, all before Justin Jefferson at 22. Like, every draft sucks. One half of those players, none of the teams anymore.

Well, like a third or like maybe half if we're being really generous, the first rounders will even be good. A third sign of contract extension with their team. Yeah. Football's hard. That's wild. And okay, so we, Saints at 14, we all have them taking a tackle as just who's left. Troy Fautano, Tiles Fuauga, Olufashana,

just Fashana, Fawaga, Furtana. Some tackle the death will go to the Saints. The Colts, we have 15 again. It's a matter of how our boards break down, but basically we all think the cults are grabbing a pass catcher. So like, you have them taking Brian Thomas at LSU. I have Brock Bowers for the Colts. Dek. You have the Colts training for Romitoum and Zay.

We're basically saying all the cult, you know, some pass catcher for Anthony Richardson to get a receiving option. I'm just going to say this, so that way we have a clip of it. If I said it, and it happens, then it is. I would not shock me at all if the Colts. moving around in the first round, maybe 50, maybe later,

take Xavier Worthy. Ooh. In the first round. That would not shock me in the slightest. Just the way that this team has talked about the amount of the downfield

presence they'd like to get and the speed that they'd like to add. We're not surprised. Xavier worthy. Xavier worthy is a cool. And we're just like, yeah, fourth, fifth receiver off the board, Xavier worthy out of Texas.

We're not shocked me. Fastest 40 yard dash time ever. DK, give me your Xavier worthy power rankings. Someone threw out the 49ers to me because Kyle Shannon's jealous of Mike McDaniel. I like that one.

Yeah, yeah. The Chiefs, obviously. I put him with the Chiefs in my final mock. It just feels chiefs-y. I don't know. Just that fast guy. Yeah. The Seahawks 16, we all gave the Seahawks like a front seven player.

Like, we just started to get just the boring itself. I mean, I think that's the, that's the play. Tackle or defensive tackle. The Colts about a top 30 visit into Xavier Worthy. Their wide receiver coach, Reggie Wayne, this is from a report from March 23rd. He had traveled to two pro days. It was Oregon pro day. Troy Franklin and then the Texas pro day, Adonite Mitchell and Xavier Worthy.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying that I think, I think they want to get Zaverworthy like top of the second round. But I like, let's say they move back and they get a deal. They're there at 24. Would not be surprised if they just take Xavierworthy. Speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed, Eleanor Roosevelt. Jaggers are at 17, led by none other than fart legend himself, Trent Ball. I can't get over this.

At the cutting edge of the farting in public. He's a maniac. It's a huge pivot point right here because like the Jaguars will have a decision between either a cornerback or maybe like Brian Thomas at LSU I think that's a really big one. Huge, do you think Trent Balke

will decide with a fart in the in the draft room? Do you think that that's how it's going to be decided? I don't think you can't predict what Balke's going to do. He's the biggest, he's the loosest cannon GM, I think of all of them. Clearly it's loose. There's nothing tight about that. Just firing it off.

So we're at the point now. kind of like the specifics are pretty difficult to project 18 picks in because you don't know what's going to happen. But we all have a tackle going to the Bengals. We all just have someone to play right tackle for Cincinnati. Rams just, we have a few different players. The Steelers are at 20.

I think this is interesting. So sorry Craig's not here, but Graham Barton, the tackle at a Duke who also could like maybe play center for the Steelers because they cut their center. And then, D.K., you have A.D. Mitchell. Yeah.

The other receiver in Texas. And I'm stunned because I'm like, is AD. Mitchell really a first rounder? You have him ahead of Brian Thomas. That shocked me. Yes, I do think he's a first rounder because I think the NFL is pretty enamored with this guy. I think obviously, you know, it's always tough to predict kind of like once you get down into wide receiver four or five, six. You know, some of these guys may end up falling into the second round and it, you know, won't be a shock to me if Addy Mitchell ends up out of the first round.

But I can't keep, I can't forget a couple days ago, I believe it was on the established one podcast, Adam Schifter. He picked A.D. Mitchell out as a guy who's going to go earlier. than people think. And so people think he's going to be a first rounder. If he's going to go earlier, that means like mid-first round. So I'm kind of looking at this as like he's falling to the Steelers at 20. I mean, again, this is a guy who we talk about Xavier Worthy jumping up because he ran a 4-2-1. Like this was one of the most athletic receivers of all time at the combine.

If you look at his pure 40 explosion numbers in terms of jumping, his short area, quickness, all that stuff. He's a big, tall, ex-receiver. You know, I think there's, he checks a lot of boxes for the NFL. And the Steelers, of course, have a great track record when it comes to receivers. I think I comped him to George Pickens. I think there's some similarities there. It makes sense with the offense that the Steelers want to run with Russell Wilson in theory, because Russell Wilson loves to chuck a deep ball.

And A.D. Mitchell can get deep. And he wins at the catch point. So I don't know. To me, there's just a lot of things kind of connecting them. So I found that interesting. but I don't know. The Steelers are a tough one to kind of mock because I would be absolutely not surprised

if they took an offensive line either. Yeah, I think they're an offensive line team through and through. Obviously, there's guys that might move them off their spot. Oh, Cooper Dijin falls. They're obviously like, I'm Dijian going later in my mock, but like maybe they have a thing on a guy where they move off it. But just this team outright benched and then cut,

they're starting right tackle and Chooks the quarter of four. And then they flat outright cut their starting center and Mason Cole. like they were just like we we do not want to be what we are right now in the offensive line and we aren't even going to pretend to like let's keep them and add some of the guys training camp competition no they just got rid of them like they they crossed the rubicon so to me like the clear priority for this team as they move forward is it's fixing and reinvesting the offensive line grand barton makes so much sense like because he can play tackle you can play center honestly don't like him at center the fact that like people like he's six five dude i like my

center's a problem it's hard to get up and down and you it's like a leverage quarterback's way Be smaller. So I prefer Barton, like a guard or even a tackle. But he can play multiple spots to them and they have multiple spots open. So there you go. The other thing speaking of that while we're on that note, I think the more I think about the first round and the more you kind of listen to what some of the insiders are saying across the league, there's going to be so many offensive linemen taken in the first round.

We can see like 15. Nine. 15 of the like half of the picks in the first round just be offensive. But I do think a quarter of them, a quarter of them are probably going to be a line, probably more than that. The overrunners, like more nine and a half. Although one team, all right, wait, one team, though, I kind of penciled it as lime as the Dallas Cowboys.

I gave them Kingsley Suamata and BYU, who I think is probably a reach, but like, I just, he's like big and toolsy. Dickey, you give him Tyler Guyton, his athletic, like he's a Cowboys pick. So, look, you gave the Cowboys in your mock, Edgaren Cooper, the linebacker in a famously not, or infamously not great linebacker class.

Why did you give the Cowboys a linebacker in the first round? So I think they'll take one. The Cowboys have met with every, linebacker that exists, dude. They met with Junior Colson. They met with Edron Cooper. They met with Paco and then with Jordan McGee. They met with everybody.

They're meeting with a ton of linebackers. They're not hiding their cards here on their interest. Layton Van derrash retires this offseason. Pretty much medical retirement is too many neck injuries. Michael Parsons does not play linebacker for this team much anymore, right? Only 100 box snaps in each the last two seasons. He is a permanent edge rusher. They spent a fourth round pick on Gibral Cox a few years ago.

He's going to come up as a linebacker for us. Wasn't good. They cut him in the 2021 season. He spent a third round pick last. year on DeMarvian Oversone, got hurt in camp, missed the entirety of the season. They got anybody in the hopper, right? DeMone Clark, safety. Marquis Bell, safety.

Like, these are not big enough players for Mike Zimmer. Maybe they were for Dan Quinn, but Zimmer? Zimmer, who had Eric Kendrix over there's an Anthony Barr? Like, Zimmer needs guys at backer. Like, to play this sort of a defense where you line them up in the line of scrimmage, you pretend to blots them and then you drop them 15 yards. Like, you got to be able to be big and run. And they do not have that body right now.

I had linebacker. And so Andrew Cooper, Texas, A&M product, has the size they like, has the size they like has the speed that they like. I imagine that he fits Zimmer's mold. And like they certainly have big offensive line needs, but board might not fall to them. So I do think that that Edron Cooper to the Cowboys, like, I don't think there's a ton of homes for Edron Cooper in round one, but I do think Dallas is one of them. Well, and this is the other thing that came to mind.

So like when you were talking about just, you know, fitting teams with like players that they need, players that they've met with. The, I've heard now, I think I've seen reporters report a bunch of different times. Like, oh, XGM says they have. 19 first round grades in this draft. You know, John Schneider, the Seahawks, I think he said maybe 22 or something like that. So like everybody has an X amount of first round grades in this class. And generally speaking, I think I've seen it's like ranges from 16 to 20 something.

You're like 16 to 22, let's say. And so once you get past that, teams are just taking guys that they have a decent second round grade on. You know what I mean? In the first round, that's you're by definition, there's just not going to be enough guys with first round grades. there by the time you get to 2024, unless you're lucky. You know, you see other teams reach for certain guys. But, you know, this is why I think in the back half of the first, or the back third of the first round, anywhere from the Cowboys on, we're going to get guys that, quote, unquote,

our second round, you know, grades. But these teams have needs and they want to go up and get these guys. They don't want to wait around. They don't want to get cute, whatever, you know. And so that's how this happens. And I think this is not out of the realm of possibility whatsoever. Yeah. And linebacker, like,

I don't like the slime barrier class at all. It's not good, thin, small players, not for me. With that said, I like Junior Colson out of Michigan. I think Junior Colson could be a good starter in the league. So it's the fact that I don't like this class, but I do have enough like for Colson that actually I want to overdraft Colson. I want to be early on him.

I want to make sure I get him. I don't have a good fallback, right? It's like, oh, you know, the Cowboys might miss out on Marius Mims. Tyler Guyton, Patrick Paul, Kingsley, Sue, Sue, Matia, Rose Rungarn. There are just so many tackles. It's okay. We really like this guy. But if we miss him,

we might like a guy 20 picks later and we can go get him. A linebacker, man, like you might like two dudes. So if there's one of them and you had him at that gray and you need the position, get them because you ain't getting anybody

next time it comes around to you. Occam's Razor. That's what it says. Dude, this is a better. Occam's Razzen. Oh my God. All right.

Well, we're going to just some emails here in a second, but again. Emails. NFledraft. toathaterina.com. We got our mock drafts. They're up right now. We have DK doing live draft grades on Thursday night during the first round so you can see, you know, lenient greater teacher DK over there. I've gotten, I've gotten a little tougher on teams over the years, but good, not a lot.

Have you ever given an F? I don't remember off the top of my head. Very few, if so. So NFL draft. Dotterina for the grades. And then also we're going to have a reaction after Thursday night, get another one after Friday night, Sunday. And then again, fantasy show. So just if you've like this like stick with us people. All right. Email us at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. Email. A couple emails.

All right. We talked about, first of all, we talked about team names, Buffalo being like, what's up with that? So like the Buffalo is the city. So shout out to someone named Chris

who emailed us about this a while ago. Chris actually emailed us in December and he reupped it and was like, hey, by the way. So he pointed all this out. I did not see it until now. And Chris says,

not only so they're named after Buffalo Bill for like the guy so Chris points out Buffalo Bill lived in Rochester, New York, which is near Buffalo for two years. Oh really? He's not even from there. Like that's so little time. He visited once. Yeah, two years?

That's ridiculous. Yeah, but it goes so well with Buffalo. Right. I will say like real quick though, like the Houston Texans are called Texans, right? Right? Like, that's what people from Texas. Right? You know what I'm saying?

Like the Eagles, like the Eagles, the Philadelphia Eagles, right? There's Eagles on the Delaware River. But like, not that many. Not anymore. Seahawk is not a real thing. Right. What do you mean to see? There's just like, hey, people came here in 49.

Right? It's not like the other names are great. Yeah. The 49ers are people who went San Francisco in and around 1849. Wow. We might have to do a deeper dive on the names. I'm realizing a little I thought about Jacksonville Jaguars. How many Jaguars you've seen in the state of Florida

recently? Well, there are Jaguars. Well, they're like the, no, they're Panthers, Jaguars and Cougars are the same thing. So the Florida Panthers are not the same thing, are they? They are the same thing. They are the exact same like species. That's got spots, homie. No, this is a whole thing. Panthers,

Cougars, Jaguars, don't tell Zach Wilson this, but they're all like the same. Okay. The panther isn't a separate species. They are simply black jaguars or black leopards. Or black coat is inherited via a gene. What about Oscelot? Well, that's a cat you have if you want to be a TikTok influencer.

People are domesticating oscillates? Oh, dude, yeah. Really? Every time I learn what somebody's off to on the internet, I am offended. Yeah. Dude, yeah. People just have these like wild cats. And they're just like, look, I feed it raw steak.

And it's just, it's out of... What could go wrong? They have like their wrist bandage from the thing trying to murder it anyway. So yeah, Bob, I don't shut that. Also, yeah, email's for your fantasy football at gmail.com. Other things about cats and weird animals domesticated. Also, Green Bay, I'm sorry to Green Bay.

I received this email. So I was like, where's the bay? Because they never show it at Lambo. Yeah, I did not get what you were on with this one, dude. Well, I was like, why have I watched? How many games have been at Lambo? They've never done a shot. Anyway, Tiffany.

Tiffany. Tiffany. Tiffany. I'm positive you received a million emails about this, but oh my God, look at a map. You can say that about so many of our shows, but good God, look at a map, man. Tiffany says, Green Bay is a bay. It's what the town's named for. It's on the bay.

Comes off Lake Michigan, forms a peninsula. So the thumb of Wisconsin has Green Bay in one side and Lake Michigan on the other. Maybe don't rely on TV pictures to give you your sense of geography, boys. That area, man, it's a beautiful area. Okay, stop sucking up. Please, get out of your, Solek. You're right. You know what?

My bad. I'm sorry for liking the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I'll never do it again. Solex, like, I remember vacationing in the thumb of Wisconsin. Yes, yes. No, I didn't make it down to Green Bay. I do. I have a weird, like, dream of living in the Upper Peninsula someday.

Dude, it's nice. Even though I've never been there. It's so cool. And, like, the Great Lakes are gorgeous, really good fishing. The National Forests are beautiful. It's a bunch of land. It's cool. Just like off the grid-ish, you know?

Maybe get off Twitter and off TikTok and just live my life. This reminds me, this Green Bay email reminds me of Craigs take, one of the best ever. Too many names for things. Yeah. We need to name less things, fewer things. Just call it. What lake is it on? Lake Michigan?

Why don't we just call it Lake Michigan? We're calling the Lake Lake Michigan. I know. That's enough. But the Bay is Lake Michigan. it's, but it's a different part of the lake. It's fundamentally... I know.

No, I know what you're saying, though. No, Ben, this comes from the fact that there's like 50 names for every... Like, there's a name for every neighborhood in a city and blah, blah, blah. Like, and then you identify with... This is funny because, like, in general, I don't feel like a Midwesterner. I don't claim to me a Midwesterner. One of my huge complaints on Michigan is that they name everything, right? Every single tiny little town, all these different neighborhoods.

See? All of different names. saying, right? And like, I'm not like a big like, oh, like my entire identity is predicated on the Great Lakes, which is like, that's a personality thing up here. It's like, oh my gosh, I've been to the lakes. It's like, yeah, they're kind of big. You're going to run into them at some point. But for the purposes of this pod, I suddenly become the Midwest defender. We all, we all end up there sometime, Ben. All right. We have an email, uh, email from Eric. Eric. Eric. This is for So select on the take purge. Well, not, not supposed to say, but, you know, perhaps maybe perhaps Solex. Solek. rest of infinity from not eating a ton of food. Waste the time. He just doesn't like eating. It doesn't like eating.

Eating's over it. Takes as long. So Eric says this is like the Misty Mountains, but for parents. By the way, do you know what the Misty Mountains thing is, Ben? Oh, yeah, Salt. You need to know this too. You may need to know this soon. The Misty Mountains puts kids to sleep. Oh, I was thinking Lord of the Rings. I was like,

Far over. It is. Well, that's the song, yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. That song, this was Discover. by Skippy with my son Calvin, if your son or your daughter is fussy and like freaking out and crying, that song will hypnotize them into not crying. High Fitz, you keep saying it puts them to sleep. That's not the case. It, it soothes a baby that's freaking out and crying. Oh, gotcha. That makes sense because I don't have a child, so I have no idea what's going on. So anyway, Eric says this is Misty Mountains for parents. D.K. Craig and Hyfitz need to buy Solek a spiral cut ham for when the baby is delivered. What? Comes home. Okay. Like a

Ham like a ham, you know, like a honey roasted ham or something. Hang it baked ham. Eric says, this saved my life when I became a dad. You're exhausted. You have no time. You never have two hands free. And as you walk past the fridge, you just swipe a slab of ham and crab it in your mouth, cram like a wild animal and you live for another few hours.

It's a floor razor at a time when the lows can be really bad. That's what I want food to be. That's what I want eating to be. I want it to be open fridge. Grab ham. Consume ham, close fridge. Move forward. Boom.

I want dense calories readily prepared. The cheese. This is the cheese thing is making more sense now. Yeah. You take it out and you eat it. Yeah. And I always do it at 1 o'clock in the morning because I didn't eat anything during the day. Because I was like, this blows.

I got all this stuff to do. So you don't like cheese. You just hate eating. Well, I like the cheese because it's calorie dense. And Reg get you get fat stores, right? Now I don't have to eat for longer. Occam's Razor for eating. Occam's Razor.

Dude, a spiral cut ham. It's a good ham. I'm thinking about making a ham for Orthodox Easter hasn't happened yet. It's happening, not this Sunday, but next Sunday. Thinking about doing a smoked ham for Easter. Might be pushing me over the edge here with the spiral cut thing. Wow, cool.

Okay. Email from Nicholas. Nick. Nick. Subject line. The Vesectomy Hall of Fame. All right. Yep.

I am writing to Clay, and if you don't know what the fuck we're talking about, we had someone email last week to say. Does anyone ever? sometimes by accident. Someone emailed in to tell us that they listened to our show during their vasectomy, which you're awake for, I guess, and they put up a little sheet. It feels intimate.

Yeah. And yeah, it's kind of wild that we were just there with this guy. Anyway, anyone who had that did this, I said, please email us in at Ring of Fantasy Football at gmail.com. So Nicholas writes, the Vesectomy Hall of Fame. I am writing to claim my spot in the Vesectim Hall of Fame. This, I did, in March 2023, pre-March madness, though. He says, you guys were doing a lot, not a live show, but we were all live from the NFL

Combine. And Nora was with us at the NFL Combine. And then for America's favorite segment, two jargons and a lie, we did two Belgium towns and a lie. And the three were ass, ham and silly. Wow. Ham, good callback. Which one was fake again?

I feel like it was silly. I don't know, actually. I don't look back up. We should play it again. Ass ham and silly. Ham and silly. And then. And so Nicholas Reds, it's not a long procedure

and local anesthetic is used. I think he's talking about the vasectomy, not the podcast. So it's like a dentist, except way worse. Having the podcast on really helped to ignore what was happening on the other side of the sheet. So thank you for the entertainment. That's what we're here for, baby. That's, yeah, we just, you know what?

Leave us five stars. That's, I'll take, I wish there was a six stars. Like got me through my vasectomy. But yeah, ask him and silly. Do we know which one was fit? I'm on the list of cities in Belgium on what can and I can't find ass or ham or silly. I was all three.

I'm pretty sure they were spelled and they were spelled differently than ass. I found the original email. No, it's, nope, they're not. Ask ham silly, which one is fake. Yes. I thought it was silly. I think silly. I think it's not silly.

That sounds silly. I think silly is real. I think ham is fake. Ass is fake. Although they actually have one called. I forgot my strategies. I forgot my strategies. Yeah.

I don't know what they do. Ham and silly. All right. I think this is all we got. Again, a lot of shows this week. Thank you, everyone. I can't wait to actually have stuff that happened, you know? The next show we do.

The next time we are on microphones speaking to another by the NFL draft, we will be in physical proximity. Yeah. Boom. Going to be together. Before the show, So, like, I'm so excited to see you guys in person. I was like, yeah, I'll be there too.

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not you. Anyway. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Selleck. Thank you, Craig. Here in spirit. Thank you, Kai. We do love Kai. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Kira. Thank you, Kira, thank you, Kewner. Thank you, Eric's draft, thank you, ever, for listening through the draft. Email. Ema.mails for your fantasy football at gmail.com. See Dekker's draft grades in our mocks.netphletraft.com. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, a millionaire. I'm so sad Craig's not here for that dude

we must have rolling is it riding they hatein the song is called riding right yeah but they see me rolling they hate I don't know I'm not going to sing the whole fact Have you done Camillionaire before? I don't know

we talked dude that song was and he had the other one that was pretty good he wasn't a one hit one or he was like a two or three hit one great rap name. Camillionaire. He got Weird Al's, you know. Oh, did it?

Oh, yeah. What was Weird Al's version? White and nerdy. Oh, yes. Honestly, it's like the best one he ever did. Forgot about that. Right and nerdy. Basically just podcasters.

It's like the show. What do you want to talk about while Craig's gone? Oh, yeah, yeah. Wait. I felt so bad when the chat during the live show, it's got to be like, man, I'd point Craig. Like that's just like an uncomfortable thing. Dude, people were thirsty for Craig.

Yeah. You don't feel bad for him. I do. That's like I was like, as like, like, listen, like, obviously being made fun up for being handsome is preferable. Being made fun up for like looking like a child like I do. With the 19th time somebody says something about your appearance. You're kind of like, okay.

I think the, if we can move on. I think the equilibrium we've settled on is that you probably shouldn't objectify women on the internet. But like, if you objectify a man for being attractive, I feel like that's kind of where we just settled. Yeah, Craig, go cry. So tough. Yeah, I don't feel bad for you at all. No one feels bad for you.

I'll never forget the first time I saw Craig in person. I realized he was also like tall and athletic looking and I was just like, dude, stop. Like it's just so, and he like is like fashionable and friendly. Like it just said, no, do something bad, man. Good guy though. It sucks that Craig is taller. That's honestly the worst part. Lovely person, though. Wonderful.

Love Craig. Missy Craig. See you. Rest in bed, Craig. R-I-B. Yeah, get ready. You're going to have to spend time with Kai. Rest in bed. I get that. I understood that record. I listened to the show. Akim's Razor. Yeah. Goodbye, everyone.

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