The Ringer NFL Show - Finding the Next Brock Purdy and Puka Nacua: 2024 Draft Gems

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

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Have you ever wondered about the meaning behind your favorite song lyric or why certain melodies make your skin tingle? I'm Cole Kushner and these are the kinds of questions I try to answer on Dissect, a podcast that dives deep into one album per season examining the music, lyrics, and meaning of one song per episode. I've dissected full albums by Kendrick Lamar, Radiohead, Tyre the Creator, Beyonce, Kanye, and more. Our latest season just launched all about MF Doom's Mad Villany. Listen to Dissect wherever you get your podcast because great art deserves more than a swipe. Draft Show. My name is Danny Hypatts. I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Slug, and Craig Horrell back today. We're going to find the next Brock Purdy. We're going to find the next

Pook and a Coo. We're going to find the draft gems, the superstars hiding in plain sight in the middle and late rounds of the draft. It's easy. It's like Happy Gilmore. It's like super easy. Yeah, just hit a hole in one every time. Just do that. I mean, I don't know why they don't just take Tom Brady every every time, right, Craig? Yeah. This is the episode that D.K. I feel like he's always given out underground bands at the end of the episode and now this is time for him to give out underground players at the beginning of the episode.

Kind of a real head's no. Yeah, no, the real ones do know. We're going to get into all that, but first, we have to, very important, it's diva season for all the wide receivers out here. It is always diva season, but it's particularly strong right now. Honestly, just all the 2020 receivers

are having quite the time. They're getting squirrelly. Cidi Lam, skipping Cowboys voluntary workouts because he wants a new deal. You got Justin Jefferson skipping Vikings voluntary workouts because he wants a new deal. Brandon Ayuk has unfollowed the 49ers on Instagram. Seems to want a new deal or a trade to get him a new deal.

All three of your first rounders in 2020. And before we get into any of the details here, Craig, I would like you to lead us through the Richter scale on diva wide receiver offseason behavior. We've seen players remove every Instagram post of them in the uniform. We've seen them like tweets disparaging their quarterback. Where does the unfollowing of the team rank? on the diva nonplussed index.

It used to be like an eight. It really did. It was kind of one of the first big splashes you could make as an aggrieved wide receiver. So ridiculous. And now I got to be honest, it's like a three. It barely moves a needle for me. Who's checking this also?

Who's going through a lot of people are, unfortunately? Here's my question. If after the draft show, I leave the show, it becomes a fantasy football show, and then like six, seven days afterwards, I unfollow all of you guys on Twitter. Do you think anyone or, I feel like maybe one person would be like, whoa, but I don't think anybody would. Like, does Brandon Ayuk have somebody in his camp leaking that he's like, hey, I just unfollow the Niners?

Can you start to like get that going? Get that trending on Twitter? Because I don't understand who's checking Brandon Ayuk's followers list constantly. But look, we've seen it escalated so much worse now. Stefan Diggs is just straight up like commenting on tweets being like, I don't get the ball enough these days. So, you know, unfollowing the Niners, not that big a deal. What's the new unfollow, Craig? If you got to follow YouTube in 8 and now it's the three.

What's the new 8? I think it's deleting the photos of you in the jersey. I think that's, it's like after you break up with your girlfriend and you have to remove all the photos to kind of wipe the history clean, you know? All of a sudden you have four pictures on your account. I like it. I like it. Yeah, I think it's removing your entire history on Instagram.

I bet T. Higgins did that months ago and just no one noticed. You know what, though? It's like C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson. They're like the best players on their team. Iyuk's like the fourth best position player on the Niners. Settle down, Brandon. No, he's not. Well, I mean, he's probably the second best.

Kittle, Ayuk, He's Dibow and McAfrey? I think he's better than Dibo. I think CEMC is the best, and then Iyuk is second. But Trent Williams is probably a better left tackle than Brandon Ayuk is as a receiver. Yeah, possibly, yeah.

So I think for Jefferson City Lam are in different categories. Like, they're just both going to try to be the highest paid receiver in the NFL. And then one of them will do a deal right after the other, and they'll be the top two guys. I think just wants the wide receiver, like, top one. money. And all these guys, you know, the rookie contracts, 2020 draft, they get on the same timeline. So you got not just, again, T. Higgins was also in that draft. He was the like, Iuke Jefferson CD first round. T. Higgins was the first pick of the second round. T. Higgins is going to be the only

player to play on the franchise tag in 2024. So he's not very happy. Michael Pittman was the second pick of the second round. He just got a new contract. So I don't think T. Higgins or Brandon Ayuk will get traded. But I also did not think A.J. Brown would be traded to the Eagles. on draft day. So if I told you guys, so like I'll start with you, if I told you that one of Brandon Ayuk or T. Higgins from Cincinnati got traded

on the night of the draft, who do you think it would be in why? Ayuk. Because T said today, I can't recall what meeting he was on. I'm sorry. But he said today that he expects to play in a Bengals uniform in 2024.

I think that he and his camp are coming to the reality like, all right, the Bengals aren't going to get an offer that they take, whatever, yada, yada, yada. He showed up to voluntary camp, right? Yeah. Yeah. So we see he's probably speaking to Bengals reporters.

That's pretty, yeah, as far as it goes, that's up there. Ayuk has been more, I think, contentious. I think the bank, the 49ers also have more options, right? Debo Kittle plus CMC as opposed to what the Bengals have, right? Joe Mookson just left the building. They have nobody at tight end. They have young receivers. They're trying to figure something out with.

I think the Niners have also had more history of being like, we have Kyle Shanahan. We can just like do stuff. Don't worry about it. We're just going to draft running back in the third round. He's going to be bad. I'm going to get Matt Brayda. And then he's going to be great.

They feel like a lot more confident their ability to just kind of like make something out of nothing as opposed to how the Bengals feel. So I would wager it's Ayuk. I would have set a first for T. Higgins, like a late first tomorrow I would send that. I feel the same way about Brandon Ayuk, man.

If my pick starts with the number two, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, I'm going to circle in the room. I'm going to decide what prospect we're taking. Then I'm going to call the John Lynch. I'm going to say, do you want this pick for Brandon Ayuk straight up? And then after he says no, then I call in my selection.

And I would do that every single, every single one of those picks. Doesn't the AJ Brown trade kind of serve like a cautionary as a cautionary tale for GMs? Because as soon as that trade got made, the head coach was like super pissed about it. And then the head coach ended up winning the sort of power struggle that followed that ensued. And then the Titans are, of course, a cautionary tale in the sense that you can't just replace a guy with the draft pick and expected to be, you know, the same deal. AJ Brown, the pick they traded for AJ Brown turned into Trailing Burks. and Trayland Berks hasn't done anything in two seasons. So I don't know.

Part of me is like none of these trades are going to happen. Every general manager doesn't think they're Robinson, who's the general manager of the Titans of John Robinson. They think they're Eric DeCosta, who sent Marquis Brown for a first round pick to the Cardinals. And so the way to be the team that wins the trade is to be the smarter of the two GMs. You just be better at team building overall.

Just to be better at this three or 65 days of the year. And then your team's going to come out on top of kind of when the dust settles. couple years down the road. I agree, though. The Eagles, like, you know, trade for AJ Brown, his star receiver, first round pick. They signed Devante Smith to an extension before Brand and IUC, before Teagans.

Just run your team like the Eagles run their team. I think it's probably the best, best advice that you could give. Yeah, just win the off season every year. Howie season, baby. Our boss, Bill Simmons, tweeted if Brandon Ayuk actually requested a trade and the Pats don't get him and extend him with tons of 2024 cap space, by the way. How will the crafts, the owners of the Patriots,

then blame the massive and stick? I'm Belichick. Such a high degree of difficulty, but don't count them out. Ironically, I don't even know what the Niners would take from the Patriots. The Patriots at the 35th pick, but like, I don't know.

I feel like you'd have to give up a lot for Britain. Like a future one, possibly. If it's easy to get a receiver and everyone's like, oh, well, there's all these rookie receivers, just take that. At that point, if everyone's like, yeah, just take them. They'll definitely work out. I'm like, screw it.

Just give me. Like, well, they went hard. They went hard at Calvin Ridley, right? And they clearly want a quote unquote, number one receiver for this. seem they'd have to give up money. They'd have to give up a draft pick and sign Ayyuk, but at least Ayuk is much, much younger.

So, I don't know, I could... And better and cool. Yeah, Patriots and a heartbeat, dude. We're going to get to the finding the next Brock Purdy. And again, just do that. Just find the next best player. Super cheesy. Affordable. Yeah. Yeah. Just do it every time. But first, I want to just give a quick shout out. Our friends at the Fantasy Football subreddit are doing a draft contest

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You can see if you beat me. And then also, you could just go. and get more details. Just Google like R slash fantasy football and it should come up on the Reddit page. So we'll throw the link in the episode description too, but that's for a really good cause. You can check that out. Unless you hate kids and Christmas. So or then don't do it at all. It's possible. Yeah. Some people. That's a tough end diagram. If you hate both kids and Christmas, it's a rough one. Sometimes after, if I have a bad Christmas and I don't get enough gifts, I unfollow Santa on IG. Just kind of say that. Delete all the pictures of me sitting in his lap when

It's an incredible amount of leverage that you can gain over Santa by doing that. All right. Finding the next Brock Purdy Pooka d'u Kuhu. I mean, massive caveat label on this. There is no next Brock Purdy probably. Like there isn't, like it's probably a bad idea. Did you be like, yeah, you see that like incredible crazy outlier with the last pick in the draft went and went to the Super Bowl?

Like, probably want to be finding the next thing. However, it is fun and it is worthwhile because it's, I think it's a good reminder that there are unexpected things that happen all the time and also teams can miss. The Niners themselves didn't even want to draft Brock Birdie in the first six rounds. So with that said, I want to go through and Craig, you're the Purdy guy. Do you have any trying to weigh in here? No, I was just saying that I like this exercise because it's low risk, high reward. Like, if you're wrong, no big deal.

We're picking day three guys here. And if you're right, you're a genius. We mentioned Pooka Nukua last year on the pod. I can't remember if it was Ben or Dekai, but one of you liked Pukkah. I think we both, we both liked him. And then I disparaged you both being like, can we relax here? with this guy named Pooka Nakuwa? Yeah.

Everybody, like, I wanted to go find my Pooka Nukuwa receipts, but all Pook and Nakua receipts still sounded bad because it was like, he set the rookie receiving record. And my receipt is me being like, he's kind of an empty. I think it could make a team. That's not a win. You just knew what his name was. You know my favorite thing to do with all these, like, the Brock Purdy pick and the Pooka pick?

I love to go back. And this is, you can say the same thing about like even the Lamar Jackson pick. I love to go back and look at the players, these teams. drafted before they drafted Brock Pretty. Like, for instance, the 49ers year they drafted Brock Pretty. Have you ever heard of a person named Collia Davis? Have you ever heard of a person named Nick Zockelj or Samuel Womack? These are all players they drafted.

Womack is still on their team? Okay. I don't know what the second name you said. Samuel Womack is a defensive back out of Toledo. Same difference. It's Toledo. Toledo. And then if you look at like the Rams last year.

year, by the way, drafted Tideon Davis Allen before they drafted Pukkahua, a couple of picks before. It's Hayden-Hurst theory. Yeah. It's Hayden-Hurst theory. In order to make him good, you have to take before him, very close before him, somebody ludicrously bad. Hayton-Hurst at 26, Lamar-Jaxon at 26 at 32.

Lamar Jackson is not Lamar-Jaxon. He was taken at 26 before Hayden-Hurst. You need to have that part of the story. Anyways, I just find that part fun because it's, you know, obviously, Pooka-Nakua had some great attributes to him, but he was a fifth-round pick for. some reasons, and he just happened to land in a perfect spot for him. He did awesome. He's a great player, like taking nothing away from him. But even the Rams didn't know that he was going to be Pukina Kua.

To be clear, Craig went really in. And he was like, why would come of Pukukukua? Yeah, but he's not going to about anything. This is why I went in because DK likes every player in the draft. And he was like, Pooka Nukua also really good. And I was like, they can't all be really good. Some of these guys are not. It's like the Jerry Seinfeld doctor joke.

He's like, some of these doctors are graduating at the bottom of their class. They can't all be the best. Craig, let's you and I do a little secret episode for the Patreon. All right. I give them all right. And it's just players I don't like.

Yes. Because I hate talking about the players that don't like a podcast. It's sad. It's annoying. It's frustrating. I love to talk about them where no one can listen to them.

All I do, when I was just me sitting with D.K. at the Senior Bowl, all I do is like, bad, bad, stiff. Slow, old, no.

And then I got a buzz. You don't want to talk about those guys. So yeah, for the, for the patrons. Well, I don't know. We were on receiver 29th And D.K. was like, I like this guy.

And I was like, all right. We got to do just the Ben-Solek list. You know what we were talking about Ix earlier? Soul-Ix. Yeah, there we go. All right. Well, I think we figured out our Wednesday show. Ben's got the ick for a lot of people. A lot of players.

Yeah. Okay. So without further ado, starting up here, quarterback, D.K. Yo. I have come from the future. And a rookie quarterback from this draft class has just won a Super Bowl in the next three years. And it's not someone who goes in the first year. second round. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My first reaction to that question was sort of a joke response, and that would be Joe Milton quarterback out of Tennessee winning a Super Bowl as a tight end because he's a very big, strong, fast athlete who he's a great athlete. And I would love to see him get an opportunity to do something in the NFL. I don't know for sure if he has the accuracy to be an actually good quarterback in the NFL, though. Does he maybe complete one pass in that Super Bowl? That'd be kind of full.

Maybe. The backup. Yeah. I could see that. Al. But to be more, a little bit more serious, if Spencer Rattler falls to day three, I think there's a chance he could fall to day three.

The quarterback out of South Carolina, this is another, this is a former five-star pick, five-star prospect, I should say, some really intriguing traits, great arm, you know, his accuracy comes and goes, but I do think he shows a lot of really high-end flashes.

And so for the day three type of player, Spencer Rattler would be the guy I pick, just because of those, again, those really high-end flashes that he has on tape. The late player who probably plays the most like Purdy plays is Keaton Slovis, the ex-USC. When you say nay, the next words of where he used to be from, right? Yes, it's like via. So it's BYU, nay, Pitt, nay USC. All right, that's the order for-

third marriage, yeah. Yeah, for Keenan Slovis. Yeah, he's gone through it. But in terms of like, you know, accurate arm, quick release, some movement skills, like, that's probably Slovis. I was talking with Derek Classen, who does quarterback charting as well, at how, like, we were watching

BYU, and you were kind of like, oh, like, you're watching for Kingsley Sumitia, and they're like, oh, his quarterback's made a couple throws, like, who is this guy? And then I discovered it was Keenan Slovis, and I was like, ah, no. He's been in college for like five years, and USC was bad and Pitt was bad. You don't want to fall into the trick. But if there's a guy who plays like Purdy does, it's probably. It's like, who's that girl over there?

She looks, oh, that's my cousin. For instance. I don't really love that metaphor. It happens to me all the time. Just constantly walking up to my cousins unknown for a far distance away and checking them out. So many cousins in L.A.

Relatable. I would like to point out this was a completely hypothetical situation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When looking at late round quarterbacks, if you guys put your GM hats on, do you want somebody with attributes that are more high floor, a Bo Nix, Brock Purdy type?

Are you looking for, you know, the penny stock that could shoot to the moon. Yeah, that's an excellent question, Craig. And it's a really important one. Because I always talk about how I like Bo Nix. When I talk about the tier two guys, Bo Nix is kind of my dude. But that's because I think he can be like Gardner Minshu, right?

I think he'd be Hinecke, Taylor Hineke, right? I think he can just be like a tough dude who will throw the ball on time, who will average six air yards of target, who will get the ball to my star receivers, check it down on my back when he needs to. He won't take a lot of sacks. He won't take a throw a lot of dumb picks he will play within himself so i'm drafting him to just like be a

placeholder qb too which again like if i'm getting him on round three that's pretty good contract return over a few years right minchews making 25 right over two years right i'm i'm getting you know a backup quarterback for one eighth of the cost when that's still good return but like that's what i'm drafting nix for if i was drafting a guy after round one to become like a plus starter nix is way lower on that list now i'm looking at my my spencer rattlers now my michael pennix because they have what they have a higher ceiling. And so when you go and talk about the late guys, like truly like day five,

day six, day seven, if I'm picking at quarterback, because I think he has the potential to win my QB2 job, right? Maybe I'm trying to keep him around as QB3 and develop him and like, you know, invest in the traits,

but usually it's just like, can this guy stay on a roster for me? Well, he would be able to earn my backup job. That's more like, yeah, your Keed and Slovises of the world, your Devin Lerri out of Kentucky.

Like, that's more them versus Joe Milton, who just like, there's a lot of worlds in which Milton's just not rosterable because he can't, I think it's a good point, so like, you think that it would be the opposite where you take a tool as a guy like Joe Milton. And you're like, well, just develop him and take the time to shape this raw person.

But in reality, teams just don't have time for that. They're all busy. And for whatever reason, even though quarterback's the most important cog in this like billion dollar machine, they just like, nah, we really only got time for one guy at a time. It's like when the parent, it's like, when you have your third or fourth kid, it's like, look, we're not going to spend as much time. If he trips and falls a couple times, no big deal. He's fine.

And at other positions. you do go for some elite athletic traits because you can get those guys out on teams. And then Big Fast Strong is sick, right? Like get the guy who runs in a straight line and can hit somebody, right? But teams, you mean special teams? Yeah, special teams, excuse me.

Quarterback, you're not throwing the guy out there on special teams. And so, you know, oh, you have the emergency quarterback three upgrades. So, like, it's good to keep a quarterback under practice spot, absolutely. But they're just not going to develop versus like, all right, if that six-round receiver develops, great. But if he doesn't, at least he's running gunner for us.

And like, that's a position we need. All right. The last guy I want to just throw out real quick, Michael Pratt out of Tulane, if there's going to be another, like, random Brock Purdy experience starter. Just want to throw his name out in case we clip it for next year. But kind of hoping Craig would cut me off. I love that idea. High Fitz, no problems here. That sounds like a great pick.

Jokes on you. That's what we're going to clip. Michael Pratt's going to suck. All right. Next that, we're going to do the running back here, which is kind of like the next Austin Neckler, which is kind of cheating here. But Austin Neckler, just to me is a good example. The guy undrafted, like, he barely got people to come to his pro day, basically.

and then became so basically if there's a running back who i'm going to go with let's say three or four years from now i'm to i come from the future and i'm like that guy is the number one pick in fantasy football this year and you're like and it's in this draft and he's not even a uh guy who got picked in the first few rounds dk who do you think i'm talking about this is that's a tough one when you say that number one pick and fantasy i think so the first guy that i thought of is a day potential to have really high volume in the NFL is Audrey Kessima at another dame who is a big, strong physically strapping young man.

Type of running back is going to run people over. He really reminds me of Chris Carson. That's not like my comp, even though I am a Seahawks Homer, like this is the comp that a lot of people are using. He really does kind of look like Chris Carson out there. He ran really poorly at the Combine, 471 or something like that, but you don't see that on tape.

He has a ton of explosive plays. a ton of home runs, like 50-yard rushes, and he's got really light feet for his size. He's only 20 years old. He didn't really get utilized in the passing game a whole lot, but he ended up catching all of his targets last year, I believe. So, you know, he has, I think, the potential to do a little bit more in the passing game that he did in college. And so a guy like Esme, who is young, faster than he tested, certainly.

And maybe this is like a Notre Dame thing. They just don't prepare these guys to run very well. Kyron Williams ran really slow, and that was part of the reason he fell, too. the only running the only guys from Notre Dame who run well are bad like Chase Claypole amazing like Miles Boykin what a run Miles Boykin right Kyle Hamilton comes out and Kyron Williams comes out I'd estimate no these guys can run all good If you can't run a 40 out of Notre Dame you did it right now

You tell me every Notre Dame guy just they're all bad at running 40 or dashes and the only ones who can run are suck at football but the guys who are good at football Notre Dame can't run a four day they're too busy winning they're too busy playing They can't even get 11 guys in the field, a goal line. This is the opposite of Penn State who has the freakish, the most freakish athletes you've ever seen in your life, but marginally good at football. Can't catch the football. Yeah.

But anyways, I like estimate. I think he's probably a fourth round pick, but I think if he could find a spot where he's getting early down work, he could eventually be a Chris Carson type player or maybe even like a sort of a Leonard Fournette type player where you're dumping it off to him a bunch, depending on the quarterback, of course. But I think he could be that type of player. I like that. Yeah.

So the two that I really like, I like Marshall Lloyd at a USC who might be like make it round three. Like you might not be your day three guy. I like to say like I have no idea why Marshawn Lloyd is like not liked more by the league. As if I didn't see like historic fumble numbers at USC. So let's just do that. Oh, I have no idea why the league doesn't like Marshall Lloyd as much as much as I do. I lose the ball a lot.

It's got ball security issues. hopefully like let's just let's wave that away but they go variance and then like pretend that it'll be fine numbers are crazy yeah exactly so he fixes that in the league this is a this guy this is a bowling ball back he's 58, 220 runs a 4-4-6 this is a thick dense young man moving real fast

he is tough to bring down he breaks tackles man Marshawn Lloyd you watch some Caleb Williams from USC film he is ripping off explosives in the running game now part of the cost all right is that he likes to screw around behind a line of scrimmage a little bit and he'll bounce it all head face you know, this way. And you're like, Lloyd, just go, please pick up five yards.

It gets blocked for you. I think some of that is his play style. I think some of that is the way that that running game works. They're so often blocking with just five. They're on RPO's. And so he's just like, like, if you put him in a more traditional NFL style game, I think like things will be more clear. He'll run more vertically.

So you have some play style concerns, but he's unbelievable on the hoof. And then he can catch the ball. Yeah. This is a big back who catches it. Fantasy first overall pick. You've got a PPR, half PPR, whatever it is that you guys argue about. You got to be able to. catch the football.

Half. Half. Half. Lloyd, yeah, half. Obviously half. You got to be able to catch the football. He's got soft hands. He's got hands outside of his frame. He run vertical routes for them and catch it down the field. Like, this is a real receiving profile.

Lloyd reminds me a lot of like a, like Khalil Herbert, right? Where it's just like, this is a dense player who breaks tackles and can be effective outside of the numbers, right? He can catch a pass for you. So I like Lloyd quite a bit. You're a Lloyd fan too, right? I am. I am.

Yeah. If you squint really hard, I think. you can see shades of Josh Jacobs with this guy. I think he's got really quick feet and like so like said, he's good at catching the football. These are very important things in much to

hyphysis chagrin. A lot of people play PPR and half PPR and those catches count for points. And so that's important. I want to talk about another guy that could be good in the PPR or half PPR world. That's Bucke Irving out of Oregon who he's small and he ran slow

which generally speaking in the history of the world is not a good thing when you're playing football. Tell me more. But, but he is very good. We're pro slow guys on this show. If they have a bad 40 time we are in. It's true.

But I will say when you watch the tape, I never once thought he looks slow. Maybe like as a home run hitter, he gets caught every once in a while from behind, but he's really quick, really elusive, twitchy in the short area. I have to clarify right now. Slow, but doesn't look slow.

Actually, he's quick. What does that mean? Quick is different than fast. Slow and quick are not opposites. All right. Let's just do this right now. Are you really asking? You don't know the difference between quick and fast?

Come on. Quick is like lateral quickness. Yes. Quick like what we say Tyree Kill is straight line fast. Change direction. Quick bursts. Well, I probably wouldn't use Tyree Kill. Tyree Kill is both.

Extremely fast at both. But that, no, no, but that is, are you saying, when he quick, do you mean like he'd win a game a tag you couldn't pin him down? Yes. Or he could accelerate to his top speed fast, but his top speed is not that fast. Right. He doesn't have long speed if that helps. He's not the type of guy who's going to run away from a bunch of defenders if he gets open necessarily.

I don't think he's slow in that sense, but he's more quick and elusive and, you know, has the short area burst to make guys missed. He's got really good contact balance. He breaks tackles. His production is incredible. I think there is a world in which he is sort of on the James White or like Dionne Lewis type spectrum as a player where you find him a role as a role. a pass catcher on a team that, especially with a quarterback that likes to dump the ball off, and he could be really productive.

But I don't think he's not going to be, I don't think he'll be a day two pick just because teams are going to see he's small and slow and be like, well, we can get him later. I love that too because Bucky Irving is such a better name than James White. It's a good rebrand. It is a great name. He's good, man.

If you watch him, it's like, wow, this guy's really exciting. And then, unfortunately, he just, you know, did not test well. And so everyone's kind of off him at this point. When the NFL, like, lets us know, which player every week ran the fastest in a game. Rahim Oster at 22.1 miles an hour? Is the tracking device in the ball or in their pads? Pads, I believe.

But those stats are for ball carriers, so it's almost always just a guy who's ripping an 80-yard touchdown. Explain to me why that is not the way in which we judge college player speed rather than have them come to the combine without pads and run. Why don't we just say, who is the fastest guy on the field running in the game?

It's part of the process now, and it's becoming a bigger part of the process. It should be the only process. It's important to teams, but the problem is, Craig, there's not a long enough track record of data. That's part of the big part. Why do we need it? Why do we need a track record?

Who ran the fastest on the field? To compare to the past. But we know how, we know what is fast and what is slow. We know that 22 miles an hour is fast and 19 is not. Two things, Craig. I would say, number one, I don't know if you've noticed, but the NCAA is not great at, I don't know, enforcing uniform rules in college football right now

and just the overall, like, comprehensive rules is number one. Two, they kind of are doing it. I think a lot of teams, like I think what the Rams do, what teams do actually, eventually they will have this player tracking everywhere. But what they have started doing is using machine learning to actually just calculate how fast guys are going by just having like AI watch the game, college football. That's wild. So the AI is essentially like speed gunning them.

Yes. So I was talking, I mentioned this on a pod in early March. And then I got into a conversation about it online with Steve Palazolo, a PSA. And Steve said that most teams have tracking data using computer vision technology, right? That AI computer vision technology for all FBS players. So most NFL teams have the speed of players in game with computer vision. They don't have the chips, which I think that I think that the biggest remaining barrier for us to just exclusively be talking about MPH and talking, who doesn't like when I say MPH? That's HIFIS.

It's supposed to be talking about miles per hour. It's supposed to be talking about miles per hour. It's going to jump down your throat if you say that in your power. I don't love it either. I don't love it either. I just, when I hear that, I'm like, oh, Neil Patrick Harris. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. You hear Neil Patrick Harris more than miles per hour in your daily life? No, I hear NPH more than I hear MPH. Miles per hour a lot more than I deal with Neil. Anyway, I think the biggest obstacle remaining for us to kind of normalize that is we're going to want the chips because the chips are a little bit more reliable and standardized and whatever. But in general, the smart teams are using and caring about on-field miles per hour.

remarkably more than average and more certainly than they did in the past where they more so catered over the 40-yard dash. It just feels like the 40-yard dash is like the equivalent of like putting your hand on someone's forehead to see if they feel sick. It's like, we need to move on. There are other ways to test this.

We have lasers now. The answer is most teams probably have like, but honestly it's a perfect example. Pukiduku is a guy that I think was identified as having high game speed that didn't have a good 40, but they're like, who cares? Because we look at all these times

who's fast in games. Can I mention two more really deep cut running backs? before we move on. One of them, I think, is my second one as well, DK. Yeah. So these are two guys that I've been doing, I'm a sicko, so I've been doing some dynasty rookie drafts already.

And these are players that people are pretty excited about. I have to say, I love and respect you drafting guys before they are on in NFL. Oh, it's terrifying. It's incredible. It's also the right way to do it. That's honorable. Waiting until you figure out the team's dishonorable.

It's more pure. Yeah, this is for the love of the game. Anyway, so these two guys are both very old, very, fast, former wide receivers turn running backs, and that's Tyrone Tracy and Blake Watson out of Memphis. Tyrone Tracy out of Purdue. And both guys are a little bit

raw, I would say, but both have really good athleticism. And obviously, as former receivers, you like kind of the idea that they could be big-time pass catchers in the NFL. It's kind of the Antonio Gibson you know, archetype or whatever of running back coming into league.

I thought you were going to bring up Dylan Lauby, the new hamster kid. He's another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's another one. That's the true Austin Ackler in this class. It's just a little bowling ball who can catch. Let's do it.

Dylan Lobby, so he's white. So he's going to get compared to Danny Woodhead. And also he went to New Hampshire, which is like the whitest college you could possibly. It might be. But I call him to Jalen Warren. That's how I think you're mine. Yeah, no, that's super. Yeah, I think it's true because he probably is not going to be an in-between-tackles guy.

But Dylan Lobby is a really good receiver. And he also is a really good blocker. So I actually weirdly think he could even. though he's probably going to be like a fifth round pick. I feel like Dylan Labby could actually be playing as a rookie. He had like 200 receiving guards in a game. Yeah. And he can block.

Lauby, 100% of this class gives me Warren vibes. Or he's just going to be behind like some like early drafted, highly valued running back and just slowly chip and chip and chip and chip and way into his reps. Good player. Receiver. We talked a lot about Pooka Nuku, but I mean to beat a dead horse, but to go over it. This happens all the time. D.K. McCaff was the last pick in the second round.

Terry McLaurin was the third rounder, which I forgot about. Deonti Johnson was the third rounder. Kenan Allen was the third round. Stefan Diggs, I think, was a fifth rounder. Monrae St. Brown and the fourth. Yeah. So there really are so many guys that pop. D.K., I come from the future,

and a receiver who did not go in the first two rounds has broken Pooka Neku's rookie receiving record. Who is it? I'm going to go with Malik Washington out of Virginia. Dude, get off my guy. Nay, northwestern. By the way, this guy did lead the country in receptions. year. So that's an interesting parallel. Yes. So basically, here's the things I like about this

guy. Number one, really, really strong hands. At the catch point, he is just unstoppable. He has the strongest hands of maybe any receiver in this class. He just does not drop the football, which I love, especially in, I mean, there's a lot of receivers in this class that are like super athletic, but then have very maddening, frustrating drops. You never see that with Lake Washington. The other thing is he's one of the best yards after the catch creators in this class. He has more, I want to say him and neighbors were like the two. guys who had the most yards after the catch per reception and broken tackles per reception in this class. So strong hands, tons of yards after the catch. He is probably only a slot

receiver at the next level. He's very small. I should say he's short, but not small. He's like 5-9-190. So he's thickly built. 5-8190, which is, yeah, so I like it. I'm into it. He's built like a tank, but he's probably going to be a slot receiver only at the next level. Did you just subconsciously say tank? Because I was literally thinking how this reminds me of Tank Dell, who's He's like 25 pounds heavier than tank. He's like twice the biggest tank. I know, but tank Dells also. He's like five times bigger than Tankdell.

No, I just didn't. But out of coming out of college, Tank Dell had how, like he had, he led the entire country in yards. You're saying this guy led the entire country in receptions. And it's kind of like, yeah,

yeah, but like he's small. He, so yes, I would say he's not very similar to Tank Dell in the sense that Tankdell was running most of his routes outside. But I think what you're, you're absolutely right,

like the production that these guys did in college, and they're both 50 or seniors, I believe, coming into the NFL. So there are certainly some parallels. I think, so Malik Washington is probably going to be third or fourth round pick. A lot of people are talking about Malachi Corley out of Western Kentucky. I like Malik Washington more. If I had to take shooting those two. Good take.

I would take Malik Washington, even though he might go two rounds later than Corley. And I think Corley has a chance to also still be good. But like, if you're taking Corley in the second or Washington and the fourth, no. question for me. Which pick I'd rather make. Exactly. D.K. loves Washington.

He's like a little strong fast guy. He loves like Ron Dale Moore's. Yeah. Washington's a little hacker, dude. He is. He is an anchor. A little hacker. Dude,

he, I love Washington. And like D.K. said, he can catch, and catch through contact, catch out of a frame, and catch down the field.

Like, this is the exact sort of dude I want in my room. Because he can be wide receiver three and it can be great. But then wider receiver one goes down. And then I need him to all of a sudden, like,

you know, make some bigger plays. for me and he just has such toughness and such good body control. I love Malique Washington. He's a good player. All right. So if D.K. got to go first, you guys, well, you both would have picked him, but let's say it's not him than Silla Quills. Do you think might be that guy, that late round receiver receiver. I really like Jalen McMillan out of Washington. When we did the early wide receiver class talk about, we kind of did, okay, Roma Dune's out of Washington. Then there's these other guys. There's Jalen Polk and Jailin McMillan. I know D.K.,

you're a Polk guy and I was a McMillan guy. The more, man, you know, went through all the Rome film, went through all the Pennix film. McMillan's. McMillan reminds me a lot of him on Ross, St. Brown. He reminds me so much of St. Brown. He is. And why was Puka so good for the Rams and so good for Stafford? Because he was exactly where he was supposed to be.

On every route, caught everything, was the most zone-friendly guy. He never just on time, made the catch, didn't lose yards after the catch, didn't drop the football, didn't follow the football. He was reliable, right? and then Sean McVeigh and Matthew Stafford

start to get working and they're creating plays from Crabtor for him and I was running sluggos in the NFC playoffs and scoring 50 yard touchdowns like he earned this usage then he obviously delivered on it but the first thing he did like I remember I did the play sheet on him like in September a couple months into the a couple weeks into the season and I was just like

he's not doing anything but running 10 yard crow route but he's on the spot every time and Stafford is throwing to him when his back is strings so he'll get his head around and he will make the catch in a tight window that's McMillan McMillan is one of the most quarterback-friendly receivers. He made Pennix look more accurate than Pennix is so many times by just going and grabbing something at his knees and flipping his hands

and behind him always moving across the field. He's got a wonderful catch radius. He breaks routes off at the right time. He separates off of press. He can be the point in the bunch man. He can be the motion man. And his testing also, like, he's just mid on every category. He's of average size, like good explosiveness, good quickness, good speed.

He's not like, oh, I'm running with you burst and this everything. oh, he's to understand everything. No, he's just built like an NFL receiver, moves like an NFL receiver, behaves like an NFL receiver. And he's there fighting for targets, man. Like, the primary targets are going for Rome and they're going,

Jalen Polk's getting the designed, you know, yards after the catch stuff. You put McMillan in a puk and a Kuha situation where there's a ton of targets to go around. There's a ton of a meal in that bone, and Cooper Cubs getting hurt, and he's getting wider super one reps. I could see a similar arc.

I love McMillan. Same Brown, same thing, right? There was just no one to take reps from him. So we started to earn him and earn him and earn him. By the end of that rookie season, he's got 11 targets a game. Like that,

that is J.O. McMillan to a T. I like him too. He's, that's my boy. He, uh, he was actually, he outproduced Polk in 2022 and then he got hurt in 2023 and kind of, things kind of just didn't go perfectly for him in this final season.

But yeah, he's a really good player. What's the size on him? He's, uh, six foot 197, I want to say. Yeah, he's like a good size receiver.

He mainly plays in the slot. So that's probably going to be one drawback, I guess that some teams might have is that he's a slot only type player, but, but it's also like St. Brown. Where, where we say, oh, he's a slot-only receiving review.

He takes 25% of his snaps outside. Just reduce the splits. Like, you can still get outside reps for him. Yeah, he's 6-1-197, Craig. He's good. All right, well, we're talking about past catchers. I want to go to a tight end because tight end's the other position where I feel like, if you look at first round tight ends, you know, part of the debate with Brock Bowers right

now is like, do you take him when all the first round tight ends have kind of not popped? And then you look at later round, like Travis Kelsey was a third-down pick, which I mean, outlier, but Jimmy Graham was like a seventh-round pick. Kittle was a fifth? Yeah. So you, look, D.K., if I told you one of these guys, guys is going to end up being like the highest paid titan in the NFL.

But they're going to be. One of these guys is going to be the best player in NFL history. Yeah. That changes the math. What are these guys going to date? Taylor Swift. This is changing the math of my response.

But it's not Brock Bowers. One of these players will be the president of the United States in 20 years. I'm going to do the thing where I reframe the question. Here's a guy that I think is pretty interesting at the end of round three or early round four. And that's Jared Wiley of TCU. Shout to Kai.

Nice. Kai! Go frogs? Six foot six, 250 plus pounds. Again, High-hik's. I know that I'm going to trigger you. He's an elite athlete at the tight-up position, 4-6-2-40, 36-inch vert. His RAS score is one of the top ever, like top 10% or whatever.

And you can see that on tape, importantly. A lot of these, like Theo Johnson, in my opinion, you know, he was one of the most athletic tight ends ever at the combine. And when I watch his tape, I'm like, I wouldn't have guessed that this is one of the the most athletic tight ends ever. Like when I watched Jared Wiley play, he ripped off an 80-yard touchdown on one game. I mean, this guy can move. He can get going.

He reminds me a little bit of a souped up Jake Ferguson. You know, again, I don't believe he's going to be a superstar in the NFL, but I think he has the athleticism and movement skills to be like a pretty good pass-catching target for a quarterback, especially if he gets into a system like the Cowboys have where they just constantly target the tight end. I think he could be a lot better pro than he was a college. player. I do not think he's going to turn into Travis Kelsey, to be clear. I just like him as a day three sleeper. One, I love that. Jared Wiley, he's going to be Travis Kelsey. I like that, D.K.

I will say, but also, Josh Norris at Underdog had a great Twitter thread the other day that I think Dicka hit what your frustration has been with me when you're like, hey, this tight end. I like him. He's athletic. And I'm like, I know, he's an NFL tight end. He's athletic. But Josh Norris, I think, explained it in a way that maybe my P. and couldn't understand. But it's a point, Pro Bowls are not a perfect representation, but basically if you look at,

I don't know, it's like the last 30 pro bowl tight ends, like 23 or 24 of them had that relative athletic score you referenced basically over 8 out of 10. And there are four of the, or four of the last 40 or something, oh no,

sorry, this has last like 45 years, never mind. Four guys from last 40 years had had a relative athletic score under five, which I think is what you were saying. Right. So I still want to ban the word athletic. But being elite among tight ends.

Relative athletic score is what RAS. You just say really, really athletic. Yeah. There you go. But I think crucially with Wiley is I do see it on tape too is kind of the thing I also wanted to hammer home. Like I think he can move. The way he moves is very intriguing to me.

I think he has a outside shot of being the tight end two in this class in terms of where they're drafted. I like this exercise because. it's basically all of the guys who did not have great measurables who do not test well, but past the eye test and you just like them. Yeah. So who's your guy who's going to

get, uh, date Taylor Swift? Yeah. Listen, Jeheme Bell at a Florida State is a good athlete. This is a really good athlete. He's a good. He is very athletic. Yeah. So I do, I do like Jeheme Bell to Florida State, uh, which we got to be honest about what Jeh, Jeheme Bell is 6-2-40.

Like he is, he is middle linebacker size trying to play tight end, right? Like, you are just, Bell is not going to the work in the league unless he lands with a coaching staff that is willing to figure out how to use him, right? He needs a little bit of a bespoke role. Now, with that said, Scott Barrett, Football Insights put together a chart of a tight end yak per reception, the last 10 classes per reception. Jeheme Bell leads all of the tight ends with over nine yards after the catch per reception. There were only three other tight ends in the last nine classes that had more than eight. All right.

Jeanne Bell has more than nine. miss tackles force per reception Jeheme Bell at 0.38 mistackles force per reception. There's not another tight end who's above 0.3, right? In terms of like, on the theory of like, you want your guys to be up and to the right on their charts, Jeheme Bell is the most uppest into the rightest.

You can possibly be when it comes to once the ball is in this guy's hands, he has a massive, massive issue, right? So what you're looking at here is more so saying, right, do we want a slot weapon, a movement weapon? And we talk about the H-back role, the F-roll, right? The kind of the Kyle Ushik, you know, he's on the line of scrimmage, but he's never, like, pained in the dirt tight end.

Like, we're kind of moving around and using him as a blocker and finding unique matchups for him. Do I want that weapon to be this player, this Jeheme Bell, 6-2-240, or do I want to use that size? So when I look at like, I remember when the Packers drafted Josiah de Guara in round three, right? He's a titan out of Cincinnati and his full-back size, movement player. Then it never worked for him, right?

Okay. But then you look at what, like, the 49ers do with Kyle Ushik, look at what, all right, the dolphins, they do with Alec Engold. And you say, teams are going to find a way to move this dude around and then throw him the football. And once he gets the ball, he's, I think, really, really dynamic. And so Jehine Bell is an interesting player for me. I think that with a cool offensive coach, he's got a really fun future in the league.

So him and then Eric All out of Iowa. Good one. Eric All, man, when he was an underclassman at Michigan, I was like, this is him. They had, what's the, what's the, what's the Dune 2 meme? What dude? No, no, wait. Lisa. Al-Gai.

Samaii. Yep. I was like, oh, Eric, oh, Eric, all, baby.

And then he had a major back injury, spinal surgery, transferred to Iowa, would look nice this year, toward his ACL's he's played 10 games

in last two years. But Eric, all, man. Yeah. Get me healthy, Eric All? I got something cooking. I got a stew going.

So those are my two guys. If you look at the yards per route run numbers for the college tight ends, like Eric All is definitely up there. He just hasn't played enough because he's been injured. Eric All. Yeah. A-L-L last name.

A great jersey. He looks the part, though. I mean, he's another guy that you can just tell this is a really dynamic mover. He can run after the catch. He can separate as a route runner, all that stuff. He's a good athlete. I love the Jaheim Bell one. I'm struggling to figure out a good comp for him.

Is he basically what we wanted Chigaconkwo to be? Or, like, I don't know exactly how to how to picture in reality how a team is going to use him. You know what I mean? Like, I love the idea. of him, but I don't know for sure. D.K., I can't stress this enough. Don't worry about it. It's cool. It's fine. It's chill.

Yeah, I mean, like, it's going to be a tight end, but he is very rarely going to be the tight end who's attached to the tackle with his hand in the dirt. The lines, like, the way they use, they use Sam Leportas, like a very heavy movement guy, lined him up in the slot a ton. Like, that sort of role is going to be good for him. Jordan Reed, right, is always the comp. He's tub 245s, sub 250 guys get. So you do use them like that.

It's not, he's not going to be a tight end one. He just can't be unless he is I'm with you though he's very intriguing he moves different so yeah it's just gonna he's gonna needs to land

with a good spot though do you guys think it's more impressive what Travis Kelsey has done on the field or off the field in his career I said quite the divergence on the field really

yeah probably off the field I think it's hard to be like one of the greatest tight ends of all time in the NFL it's hard to date Taylor Swift too There's only one person gets to date Taylor Swift. I think a lot of people have tried unsuccessfully. D.K., do you think you are more likely to have become Travis Kelsey, the football player, or the person who dates Taylor Swift in your life?

Ooh, yeah, that's tough. That's a really, it's an impossible question to answer, Craig. Probably the NFL version of Travis Kelsey. Yeah, yeah. You have the measurable. I'm really good athlete. My relative athletic score is super high. MPH is solid.

Yeah. Yeah. When they did the GPS tracking in high school, it was off the charts. So this was in early 2000s. It's just wild. Like when is the last time an athlete who is one of the greatest of all time at their respective position, arguably has a more impressive off-the-field life. We didn't talk enough about Travis Kelsey's 12-month period where he beat his brother in the Super Bowl,

then started dating Taylor Swift and hosted SNL. Yeah. And then won another Super Bowl in like 365 days. I listened to a podcast with the Please Don't Destroy Guys. They were on Mike Berbiglia's podcast. And they said that when they filmed one of their shorts with Taylor Swift, her team was mentioning that Taylor Swift had watched the Travis Kelsey S&L episode and thought he was really funny. Is that the one where it was like the motivational coach.

That scene with the Please Don't Destroy guys is pretty funny. Have you guys seen all the memes from their vacation where there's one of her like yelling at him or something? I don't think it's just one of those stories to come out. And she's like, sternly speaking to him. That's, that's me. That's every time I'm like with all tight ends are athletic. She was wearing the new heights hat at Coachella, which we got to find a pop star to start reping our merch that doesn't exist.

We need somebody. Yeah. Yeah. We got to get Olivia Rodriguez in a gentleman's piss club shirt. How can we make that happen? I think it's doable. We know people. Let's go to defense here.

Honestly, you look at like pass rushers, it's really weird because like all the good defensive tackles were basically first round picks and all the good past rushers were basically first run picks. There's very few guys outside. I feel like Max Crosby is like one of the few where it's like truly elite guy that was like a fourth rounder. So maybe there's not a perfect one here. But if defensive tackle, defensive end, what do you guys want to pick? But if I told you that there's a guy who is either going to lead the league in sacks, just be the highest paid player at his position that is not going to be around one, around two, defensive player, which is like super rare. Sluck, we can start with you, but I'm really curious

if there's a guy that leaps out to you. Yeah, I like Michael Hall at Ohio State. And this is, this is a guilty pleasure, right? This is a little bit of like, I know, I know these sub-300-pound defensive tackles are bad for me, but I just can't quit him. Michael Hall as quick as a wink.

I mean, and the best thing is, you're watching a senior ball practice. Like, he's down there. And like, the undersized DTs are always going to win the one-on-ones, but it's still important that you win your one-on-ones. And Hall is just every heavy-footed, 320-pound guard, he's just putting in a blender, right? Like, quick

hands, quick feet, he's got flexibility, he's low to the grounds, he's low to the ground, so you can get under pads, dip around, guys, he's got everything you want. It's okay, cool, great. That's nice. I'm watching Jay J.J. McCarthy against Ohio State, and Michael Hall is just trying to win the dog on game. I mean, the amount of disruption. Jay-J. McCarthy's

got the cleanest pockets you'll ever see in your entire life, like just against Penn State, against Wisconsin, and Washington, Washington is everybody they're playing. He's a clean pocket, clean pocket. They play Ohio State. Michael Hall is just taking future NFL is to the woodshed on the interior, right, for four quarters. He has some third down wins that are so fast, right?

Because he is so quick off the line. He can get from a gap across your face to another gap. And he can finish and get around the corner, right? He's not just like a penetration player and then you wash past the quarterback. He will bend around that corner and he'll finish the rep. He reminds me a lot of why we liked Milton Williams coming out of Louisiana attack a few years ago. Now he's become an important rotation player for the Eagles. uh the uh williams was playing like oh he's playing four i like to transition whole you've seen it you've seen him go against NFL caliber offensive lineman right the Penn state he's got multiple NFL offensive linemen michigan's got multiple NFL offensive linemen Wisconsin's got NFL offensive lineman he's going against all these cats and just winning yeah it just gets so like i understand sub 300 like he's not going to play every single down and something's aren't going to like him yada yada yada yada yada for my money like this is like people like chris jenkins the michigan kid they like the lSU boys like this to me is way he is by

far the most consistently disruptive player outside of round one a defensive tackle. So Michael Hall is a flag plan for me this year. PFF has a stat called true pass sets. Like they track basically the plays in which it's not a quick throw screen run or whatever. RPO. Yeah, it's basically like this is a true pass rush set. And on those plays, Hall had a 27.5% win rate, which is an elite number for a defensive tackle. Basically over one out of four snaps, he's witty.

winning and getting into the back into the backfield or the pocket. So he's very, very intriguing. I love this pick for, for you. So, like, I'm going to steal another one that you've been kind of, you know, banging the table for getting up on the table and shouting for this guy. I had put off watching it for a long time because his tape was a little bit hard to come by. But Marshawn Neeland is very, very intriguing to me. And I think, you know, I'm kind of late to it.

This is out of Western Kentucky. I'm late to it because, like I said, the tape was a little bit hard to come by. kind of waiting for Western Michigan, not Western California. Sorry, Western Michigan. You're thinking of Corley. Yeah. No wonder it was so hard to get the tape. I was looking for the, yeah, it was a word. This player they're all talking about. Just looking on the west side of every state. I know he's over in this half

somewhere. But anyways, yeah, sorry, that's correct. He's another guy. And I actually saw, Tane Brugler said he might go in the first round. So this is maybe not like a sleeper anymore. But really powerful, really tenacious rusher. His body type is pretty unique. He's like big, rugged, physical,

bill but really long arms. He can kind of play all over the line. I actually like him a lot inside as an inside rush or two. So I think he's a really, really intriguing day two. I mean, I suppose possibly day one guy. The other player that I wanted to bring up here is Austin Booker out of Kansas, who is really raw. Only basically one year of production, but he is twitchy, long, has really good balance and body control. Like there's just some flashes there that I thought were really intriguing. I think he's going to take a little bit of time to develop in the NFL. He has kind of a small, thin frame. He needs to bulk up a bit, but he had a 34% win rate in True Pass sets on the edge, which is, again, a very, very good number. And so I think there's

some traits there that you could really work with. Did I start watching Marshawn Neeland because he went to Godwin High School, which is three minutes from where I'm standing right now? Yes, but that's not why he's good. He actually is good. The Western Mission, defense, dude. What in God's name are they doing? I don't know who the DC is there. I apologize. Schematica, I hated every single thing about that. Neeland was, like, lining up, like, a half yard off the line of scrimmage. Is your edge rusher?

It's a future NFL or top 50 pick. The only guy you got, they have been a frog stance two miles that way. It was interesting. He was the only guy on the line who would be like a full yard. He's always the last guy off. I wanted so badly at his podium. Just be like, hey, do you know where the line of scrimmages? dude? Like, have they told you? I don't know if it's a coach or if it's a him thing, he's not a paycheck, whatever.

But if you just teach Marshawn Neeland, where can line up and how to how to stagger his feet so he gets a big first step, he's incredible. He's one of the best edge rushers in this class. Yeah, he's a likable player. When James Winston threw 30 picks in his season, he got Lasick after that season. Even Marshall Neeland just needs LASIC and can't see the ball. We need to get him on the chiefs. Cadarius Tony could show him exactly where the line of script is going to get right up to it.

You put me on the Western Michigan defense. I come up to coach. I would like to, you put me on the field as a starter. My whole job is starter is just to get Marshawn lined up. We're going to win for three more games than we won last year. I'm just going to put him in the correct spot. Hi, Vince. Did you notice that when you were watching Western Michigan tape

that Marshawn Neeland was not getting up to the line? I did actually because a lot of. Some of the stuff that you notice when you just watch a bunch of tape, like some of the silly stuff, it's always so funny. I respect the hell out of you guys. I just want you to know that. For the work that you do, I appreciate that. Yeah, that's cool.

My thing is finding the most embarrassing plays imaginable and tweeting and pretending like that's what I would do if I was in a football game. You can find my tweet thread about it. There's some real Easter eggs out there that if you look really hard, long enough. Bloopers. USC has this RPO they run all the time

where like Caleb Williams goes on a sprint out and then just flips it to the flat. And when they run it, the back is aligned differently than he is on like most of their run and passing play. So I got to the point watching Caleb Fillmore. I was like, okay, RPO. Okay, RPO.

And I was like, right, like four out of five times. I'm just like, dude, like, this shouldn't be happening. All right. Any secondary, any defensive backs, cornerbacks, safeties, I'll jump ball. I don't know who wants to jump in. For me, Daydrian Taylor Demerson out of Texas Tech. Great name.

Oh, great name. Yeah. I was actually, I was reading, Dane Brug was the beast on him because he's always got like the background and all the guy that you don't know. And it's his grandpa's last name. And his grandpa was like his real pops. And so he got to add it on to his name,

which is cool. But Taylor Demerson was a running back recruit. And he never played in the defensive side of the ball in high school. He wanted to go to Utah State to play for Matt Wells. Matt Wells left Utah State to go to Texas Tech and didn't have a running back spot for, or didn't have a running back spot for him. So Taylor Demerson switched positions to play defensive back to go to Texas to play for Wells. Earned his way onto the starting field.

It's been their starting safety for the last couple of years. Second team all big 12. He's only played defensive back for four seasons, like only like three with like legitimate bit experience. Taylor Demerson's a bat out of hell, dude. Holy smokes. This is pound for pound without question, one of the most explosive players in the class. This kid flies. And they play three safeties. So he's way deep back there in center field. He gets to see everything develop. And then he just shoots. The play speed with him is through the roof. He added a ton of weight when he transitioned to defensive backs. He's playing smaller running back size, whatever. So he's

recently added a lot of weight and he throws it around, right? You would tell he, but he, he has hitting power now. He has contact power. So when we talk about, like, finding free safeties in the draft, there's a lot of safeties I like more than Taylor Demerscings. They're better players right now. Cole Bishop out of Utah's a good player. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, Tyler Newbin, the Minnesota kid. Like, I got ranked above Demerson. But all these dudes are like, okay, box safety, deep half safety. If he ends up, your middle of the field safety, like, whatever, fine. And he's smart. You can get away with it. But he doesn't have. have sideline to sideline range.

One of the rarest things you can find in a prospect in the defensive backfield is true sideline to sideline range. She can get outside of the numbers and affect a nine route. Taylor Demerson can get outside of the numbers and affect the nine route. And they didn't ask him to do it too much because of the structure at Texas Tech, but when you watch the play speed, there is no question. Right. So I always remember watching Jesse Bates at Wake Forest and going, okay, this is an imperfect

player, but he can actually play sideline to sideline. So if he hits, you're finding something incredible. You're finding something so valuable. He goes in the third round, he hits, and all of a sudden, jesopates the top five plate safety. Demerson does not, like, that's not a good comp for him, but I feel similarly where I watch him, I go, oh, okay. Like, we have a player with a unique range.

And so if I can get his head right and he recognizes his routes better, he gets more comfortable, he's got to get better playing than the catch point two. I don't think he tracks the ball well right now. But we have a guy who legitimately can affect the game sideline to sideline. And that is a very, very rare thing to find, especially outside around one. So Taylor Demerson, I was told to watch him like 19 different people, and I didn't. I was like, everybody's hyping up this kid, whatever. You put on four plays.

You're like, What the freak? The dude can fly. He's so fun. Oh, I completely agree. I had the same sort of experience. I put off watching him sort of later in the process. And then when you turn it on, you're like, oh, I love this guy.

I love this guy so much. He ran a 4-4-1 tops of the safety position of the combine in terms of his speed. And you see that on tape. Like you said, he anticipates. He has incredible range. Like you said, he's one of the few guys who you're like, oh, I could see him being a center field safety and being able to, you know, basically line up and cover that deep third. Why is this guy single?

What's what's wrong with him? So he makes a lot of mistakes mentally right now. Spacing-wise, like I don't think he, when you, when, a lot of playing defensive back is like reps, especially when we're playing safety because you start to feel which routes are just trying to pull you, which routes are actually developing. He started like, know what's live and what is it. He takes cheese a lot. Yeah, yeah.

Just drawn out. He'll just run towards the closest thing where it's already covered. I like that phrase. He takes the cheese a lot. Sometimes it works where you, like, jump around and you look great. And then other times there's a guy running behind you wide open. And that's not as hard. Yeah.

The other thing I would say is that, again, like, defensive back is a highly skilled position of player. There's a lot that goes into it. Right now, he's a deep middle safety. He's a deep half safety when they were going too high. They tried to protect him from playing up near the line. Because if you get him stuck in coverage over a slot receiver, he's getting taken for a spin. Because he just doesn't really know how to settle his feet. the other than I now has sink into it like you know don't overreact or change direction again like

defense the back is a weird position you do a lot of movements backpedaling and like you know like a lot of technical positions are just like not natural right you have to learn how to do them and grain them in your body and he doesn't have a ton of experience so right now Taylor deverson's point and shoot right he's gonna bear he's gonna play on special teams from day one so he's the he's the forest he's the forest gump of safety's yeah yeah yeah and so you're hoping to you're hoping to round that out on him but still again like in terms of finding a guy who can play deep middle for me I don't and find one every year. It's set around round four.

This is one of them. Yeah, yeah. The other safety I wanted to bring up who I really enjoyed watching, again, part of the process of doing the draft guide is like just hours and hours of watching sometimes extremely boring stuff. Malik Mustafa out of Wake Forest was so much fun. He's so much fun to watch because he just triggers downhill and lays the wood as a hitter. Like he is a really fun defender, you know, and he's disciplined as a tactical.

He, like, tracks the outside or the inside hip of the guy. He doesn't let him cut back. Form tackler. He punches above his weight, I would say, as a hitter. So he's just a lot of fun. I think in the world that we live in terms of, like, two high stuff and moving safeties around Big Nickel, I think he's got, he's going to have a really fun role in the NFL as a guy who can kind of like lurk over the middle and, you know, play some too high stuff

and come into the box, do some tackling, blitzing, all that stuff. he's a versatile, very athletic, very fast player, filled up the stat sheet. I just liked him a lot. He's just really fun to watch. Great name, too. Yeah, Mustafa is a jump off the film, sort of a player. Yeah, he arrives into contact, a little, a little sound, a little thumb. It's fun to watch.

All right. Any other deep cuts? Any other Brock Purdy's? Any other just greatest quarterbacks ever, or any of the players who are going to be Hall of Famers that are going to go in, like, the seventh round? Nobel Prize. We skipped O-line. right? We could do a line. We could do whatever

you want. I do like a Tanner Bordellini out of Wisconsin. What shape of pasta is that? Mostly because of his name. That's the number one reason to like a Tanner Bordolini. But Bordellini was a center there in Wisconsin. Yeah. He's your

undersized late pick at center de Jure. Right? Like he is not super big. He's not so he's got short arms, but he is super stinking quick. And we know that that agility testing tends to be the thing that really tracks for offensive linemen. And he didn't do his agility.

So it's frustrating, but I'm pretty confident that he's got that caliber of movement skill. And so, Borda Lien on the offensive line I like, I mentioned all, Jaquan Jackson. DK., you watched Joaquin Jackson,

the two-lane kid? Yeah, well, I watched him a bunch at the senior pool. Yeah. I like him. He's pretty good. The receiver, right? Yeah.

Yeah. He's my, like, you know, day three that just becomes the permanent starting slot for his team for a few seasons. Then he bounces around the league. signs two-year contracts of where that he goes. Jaquan's good.

Yeah, I like that one. Joaquin Jackson really, I thought he stood out at the senior bowl. Really, really fast, really twitchy. I think he's a really good returner, so he could add some value there, especially with these new rules,

with the return game. Yeah, he does stand out to me as a guy who could be like a six-round pick and then make the team and do some fun stuff for their team. I watched the Yale kid the other day, the tackle. His name is Kieran.

and his last name is Amagaji? I think, yeah, Amagaji. He is, I got him at like 60 something. I'm ranked him at like 60 something. He's really good, yeah. I think he's going to go earlier than day three.

But man, I was like, okay, sure, Yale film, whatever. He is, he's like 36-inch groups. He's like massive. Just absolutely punking kids from Brown. It's great, it's great film, man. Of everyone we've discussed so far, if you got to pick one person to play on next year's show. You're like, that's the guy

we're going to play next year's show to make fun of Craig for shutting it down. Not on this show. I, I praised everyone. All these guys. That's true. Love all these picks. Positiveity. Yeah. Pick the one guy that you're most confident will perform.

Or day trailer Swift. I think the answer is Jalen McMillan because there's just so much more opportunity for wide receiver. Like, he'd be the guy I expect to hit. The player I like the most out of all these guys, Michael Hall, the Devin's Stockville, Ohio State. Yeah. That's how you get two guys the price of one right there. I can see that.

Yeah, I was going to say Malik Washington for me. Just a useful player, as Nate Tice loves to say, very useful. All right. Taylor Swift. It's important to have utility. And put down Cion Vacchi, Utah Safety, who also plays running back. And I don't know

if he will be amazing at either. He will be a special team safety who is just like doing fourth and two fake punts as the up back. And he's going to be like Troy Brown was the receiver cornerback for the Patriots. It's going to be this weird safety running back. This is going to be the player that Roger

Sherman is most likely to tweet about next year. There you go. That's a great superlative. That's actually really good. All right. Let's do some emails. Emails. Emails. A couple of huge deaths since we have last done the podcast.

First of all, RIP Weird way of putting it. But yeah. To the Yankee wife swap guy. As if we like always talk about people who die. Before we get to email, it's time for Obis. Yeah, the emails were about the best. In-memorium section,

we do every podcast. In memoriam. Shout out to like literally, I mean, dozens of people, dozens of us emails about this. Former New York Yankees left-hander, Fritz Peterson died.

The team announced on Friday. He was 82 years old. Peterson pitched nine season for the Yankees from 19606 through 1974. However, Peterson is perhaps best known for more infamous reasons during spring training of

1973, he and teammate Mike Kekich revealed that they had traded families and homes. Kekich's wife and two daughters moved in with Peterson while Peterson's wife and two sons lived with Kekich. And then quote, Kekich said it wasn't a wife, a wife swap. It was a life swap. Kekich is not better. That's not better, dude. I know. Really, the wives swapped husbands is what happened. The wives kept the kids. The wives swapped husbands. He says, we're not saying we're right and everyone else who thinks were wrong or wrong, it's just the way we felt. And then Peterson, who passed away and his wife, they got married, well, the other wife, they got married 1974 and they stayed together. And so Peterson passed away. And the other couple broke up

after like a year. Yeah. But RIP. Life swapping is batting 50-50. I also learned from this obituary that was on Yahoo, I think. In 2010, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon tried to do a movie about this life-wife swap. And then under threatened of lawsuit, I think they pretended that they were busy. Oh, like the family did not want it to happen. They tapped. They had Jay Roach to directed, who I guess did meet the parents. And then David Mandel, who did his rights for Veep in Seinfeld was going to write about this.

I believe the script was written. Also, Jay Roach is the Austin Powers guy, but I believe the script was written. I didn't know there was a legal issue. I thought they just didn't think it was good enough. So Mike Kekich, the guy who still threatened to sue if it happened. And then apparently Matt, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck had to. scheduling issues, but I don't know if that's real scheduling issues or just there was a guy, one of the two people who wanted to sue them. Either way.

Talk about a story that if this happened in 2024 would literally break the internet and because it was in like 1971 when this happened, just literally no one could even really know about this. Who were the, who were the two athletes that would do it? The two teammates. The two teammates. This is a dice question. I don't even know how to calibrate to who. What traits am I looking for? Clay Thompson? Clay? I'm looking for Clay Thompson traits.

Why? Why? I don't know. It seems like he's making it up as it goes along. He's a chill guy. The most insulting thing you can say to someone. Yeah, he seems like the type of guy who's wife who's a type of guy who's wife. I guess it's pretty, I guess it's pretty careful what you say. I think Clay is pretty loyal.

He loves his dog Rocco. He doesn't want to leave the bay. He'll take less money to stay with the Warriors. I don't know if he's swapping wives. It's true. So who's not loyal? Who's put on a lot of NBA teams? It would be wide receivers.

Is Russell Westbro? Stefan Diggs. Yeah. Diggs is a good one. Cairokeh, James Hardin. Yeah, I mean. Getting Jim's Hardin married would be the first step. The biggest challenge.

You know, lock him down once, never mind twice. Also, among other things. things. O.J. Simpson died. Bill Simmons on his show had a much better breakdown of that than we could ever do. However, we were texting about this. And D.K. texted us that you watched the O.J. Simpson verdict while you were in school. Right. And we had literally joked on our last episode that we were going to do a segment called, tell us about the war grandpa when you tell us about stuff from the early 90s. Then OJ. Simpson died. They had TVs back then? I was talking. Okay, fuck off. I was talking to, I was talking to,

I was talking to, wait. Wait, was it's a verdict or the chase that you watched? verdict. Well, both. Okay. Both. Oh. The chase. You watched the chase. Oh, yeah. The chase was a huge thing. The chase didn't happen during school hours for me, at least. I remember watching it. I was at my buddy's house. Oh, that was on the TV. Yeah. And then Bill mentioned that the verdict, 150 million people watched.

Yeah. It was like the finale of Game of Thrones or something. Like, it was more than a Super Bowl. Yeah. And I guess there was some disagreement on, on Twitter about like whether people really did watch this at school. Like the school, the teachers actually made it a point for everyone to come into, like, we literally went into the cafeteria and watched it. You know, back in the day,

you guys don't know about this, but they had TVs that would like wheel around on these little carts. No, we had the way. That's how I saw the Little Mermaid, yeah. Yeah. That's the substitute teacher special. Right, right, right.

Did you guys have overhead projectors in your day? Or was that? Yeah. Wow. Really? And they had the little like, see-through markers. DK schools don't have a lot of funding. That's so bad. The kids today have TVs on wheeling cars.

Here's how bad the U.S. education system is. Craig and Hyphitz and Ben all had overhead projectors. That tells you a lot. Because when I was talking to you guys about this, I literally was like, wait, were any of you even alive when this verdict happened? None of you were alive. None of us were. It's fucking wild to me. Anyways, there's not a whole lot to it.

It was like, but it was a whole thing. It was a very, very big deal. Everybody came into the cafeteria and watched this verdict get read live. And I remember it very distinctly. It's like a piece of, it's like the Berlin Wall coming down. It was like a massive piece of news. We weren't alive for that either. But the only thing I can remember that happening where everyone had to watch it was like,

obviously that happened like they wheeled the card in for like substitutions. But I feel like the presidential inaugurations like outside of that. I remember, I mean, this is dark, but I do remember 9-11. being like a thing where like everybody at school was kind of like that was like a like stop and put on the news situation that's the only one really that i can remember you know what's interesting though listening to bill and other people talk about oj i do feel like there's this gap between uh of people dk maybe you're the cutoff because you were how old are you like 10 11 when you saw that uh well what year was at 94 i was 12 12 yeah i feel like all young people you know i don't know under 35

or like who cares oj died like the guy murdered people and then everyone over 50's like doesn't know how to handle it. They're like, well, it's complicated. He was an important figure, but obviously he did a lot of bad stuff. And everyone under 35 is like, who literally cares? This guy's a horrible person.

That's why I was stunned. They were watching it in school. But I didn't know, you're right, Craig. I've joked about this, but that Gen Z and everyone was, Paul Newman, you know, this salad dressing guy.

Right, right, right, right. But that eventually everybody becomes known for like what happens later in your life. Like, when I saw that OJ died, I literally looked at my phone and I went, huh. And then like, when I was like, Okay.

Yeah. Went about my day. I think the cutoff was much earlier than me. I actually, I told you guys this. I wrote like an essay when I was in maybe first grade or something about O.J. Simpson. I found it like years later.

It was just like about his first grade. So this was pre-murder post excellent football. Right. What did you say? This was pre-murder. It was like, I don't know. What do you write when you were in first grade? I was like seven,

10, eight years old or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I was like he won. It was like I drew. a picture of O.J. Simpson running the football and said, his nickname is juice, you know, like all the stupid shit that you'd write it when you're, however years old. But anyways, that didn't age well. That report I wrote in first grade

didn't age very well. Kind of the opposite of your Pooka Nukua take. Right. Yeah. Right. But anyways, but like my generation, I would say, probably didn't have a strong connection to OJ because he was quite a bit earlier in terms of his football superstardom. So I, you know, but it was a monoculture type deal where this was the biggest news story. in the country for months and months and months and months. And we all watched it very closely. I remember watching the news. I remember them talking about OJ,

you know, having bloodshot eyes, you know, on this flight that he took right after it happened and he stayed up the whole night or whatever. Like there's, I just remember very distinctly, you know, as it went, like the, as the investigation went along, everybody was following it so closely. It was this massive piece of monoculture. I'm always, I'm always so, like, shocked at how strong the monoculture was back then.

like nowadays, you know, everything is diluted, viewership watch. It's so rare. The Super Bowl is is like the only thing we have that garners this much viewership. Like the mash finale got like 50 million people watching it, which is unabird of now. If a TV show gets like 8 million people, that's a huge win. But I'll never forget a couple years ago, I was with friends skiing, and we were in Mammoth and we were in a little cabin, and the TV only had a few channels, and Baywatch was on. And so we decided, I've never, I'd never seen Baywatch, so we put it on. We watched like an hour of Baywatch one night. And I was like, man, you know, Baywatch I know was a big deal, it was a big show.

I went and Googled what the ratings were for Baywatch in its heyday. Baywatch, in the 90s, had a weekly audience of 1.1 billion viewers. Get the fuck out of here. Sex sells, Craig. That's not. Sex sells. That's not. Sex sales.

What? How many channels were? Here's the biggest show on the planet. It was like huge in other countries. Is this true? Here's a question I'm going to get yelled at for, but I'm going to ask anyway. What? Was there a On Baywatch? What happened? Very loose.

Very loose. It was like a, it was like a, you know, a weekly procedural about lifeguard solving crimes in Santa Monica. Lifeguards.

Lifeguards solving crimes. Lifeguard solving crimes. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's the plot of Baywatch. Do they have badges? Were they all merit-time-related? I don't think that anywhere.

I don't think that anywhere. I'm telling you. Criminals everywhere. It pretty much, it's not just David Hasselhoff's, like, you know, saving people from drafts.

every episode. There was like crimes and murder and stuff going on. That's another good example. I know David Hasselhoff from SpongeBob and yelling at the players in Dodgeball. And you're like, oh, he was watched by one billion. How many people were even on the planet when Baywatched? We're at seven now. Probably six. I don't know. Look it up. Wait, what? Now I'm realizing you even know when Baywatch was on. So the 90s? This isn't, no. Oh my gosh. A billion people. Dude, it created, it made Pamela Anderson like a world Superstar. Pretty much all of the leading ladies on the show were like massive, massive worldwide stars.

See, I'm realizing that now because I realize like growing, it's weird to grow up in the world of Sponge about everything and you're getting all these references. But I didn't realize, I really feel like I underrated how famous like O.G. Simpson was until Bill was like, Muhammad Ali was the most famous athlete, but like OG Simpson was probably the most like widely like one of the most loved. But I'm like, Pamela Anderson, I was, I think I heard the name and issues there. But you're telling me a billion people that. That's insane.

Yeah. And my generation, Pamela Anderson, I wouldn't actually even know the equivalent to your guys as general. There is a one. Taylor Swift's not. Taylor Swift, maybe, I guess. She's the only one.

Yeah, but there's a, I feel like Taylor Swift is not a sex symbol. Like Pamela Anderson, I feel like, oh, would be like Sydney, was in a different space.

Yeah. But Sidney's, most people don't know who she is still. A Kardashian. She's not even close to Kenneth Anderson. One of the Kardashian kids. Well, I don't even know her name.

Oh, it's probably Kim Kardashian. That's probably fair. Well, no, the other sister. Oh, Kylie or Kendall? Yeah, Kendall Jenner, sorry, not Kardashian. But maybe Kim Kardashian and, like, the Mid-Ox is similar. So, but the billion, all right, so this reminds, now we have to ask. So Baywatch billion people, obviously, it's like, you know, just a show about boobs, solving crimes.

Yeah, there was very famous. Actually, actually, actually. Did they really solve crimes? Maybe. I've never seen it. I'm on the IMDB. Here's the description. At a Los Angeles Beach, a team of lifeguards, led by the tenant Mitch Buchanan,

save lives, deal with personal dramas, fight crime. Fight crime. Fight crime and participate in over-the-top adventures on a daily basis. So what they do in order... Fight crime. One, save lives, two, deal with personal dramas.

Three, fight crime. Four, participating top adventures on daily basis. I looked at the description of a couple of top episodes. All right? Season one, episode 18, Shark Derby. After a couple of sharks are seen in the bay, and just off the beach, Mitch becomes even more concerned

when the greedy owner of a restaurant sponsors a shark derby to help promote the restaurant with a prize of 25,000 to the one who kills the biggest shark. Lives are put at risk, especially for one Baywaffe lifeguard who's attacked while saving some children. Mitch becomes determined to figure out why so many sharks are in the area and what connection, Bucky, the restaurant owner has to the unusually large number of sharks populating the bay.

So Mitch is out, he's solving shark crimes. All right, but here's my memory. Where do these sharks come from? So like, here's my memory of that episode. Pamela Anderson running slow motion holding a little like... Oh, get your head out of the gutter, D.K., watch it for the plot. Every single episode was just gratuitous amounts of slow motion. I think a lot of the characters in the show are like ex-cops or it's like a side gig or something,

so that's why the crime thing makes sense. Greg, I don't think I've ever once in my life, because I watched Baywatch growing up. I don't think I ever once thought, oh, these lifeguards are solving crimes. Love this plot. What do we do? You think they're just like saving old ladies from drowning for 10 seasons? Yes. That's it.

I didn't know. This is not that deep, Craig. It's sex sells. It's very beautiful women running around on the beach. That's the plot. And the Hoff. Who was a snack? By the way, you guys, this is another thing I thought was funny.

You guys had no idea that David Hasselhoff is like a massive international pop star who he has like a whole records in German. He's a superstar. in Germany, or at least he was at the time. Season one. Coach his Dodgeball team. Season one, episode 15. Corrin Eddie trade junior lifeguards at a water slide park,

but someone is vandalizing the slides pumps. Meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile, Captain Thorpe wants Shawnee fired for posing in a pinup calendar. Shawnee, was that Pam Anderson, I think, yeah.

Sure, but she claims she was duped into posing. Hobie? Hobe. Dooped. Hobie? Hobie gets into a fight at school, which disqualifies him from a field trip to Baywatch, which requests a parent-teacher meeting between Mitch and Hobie's attractive teacher, Amanda Keller.

That was an action-packed. I think Hobie had to be Hasselhoff's son, I believe. Pam Anderson was CJ. CJ. Who was Shawnee? Shawnee was Erica Eleniack. Yep. So, wow.

Anyway, it's worth it. If you're ever, like, drunk with your friends at midnight, just watch like two hours of Baywatch. and just kind of take it all in. The biggest show on the planet. Wild. Solving crimes. I'm never going to get over that. All right.

That's all we got. We solved some crimes here. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, so like. Emails at ringerfancy football at gmail.com.

If you have questions about the draft, other things about plots of Baywatch, other things that randomly were watched, what else has been experienced by a billion people at the same time? Again, we'll take all the Baywatch stuff you got. emails or whatever. Yeah.

Baywatch facts. I'm into that. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Kira. Thank you, everyone on the scenes.

emails for your fantasy football at gmail.com. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Main Station. I looked it up. This is the artist that sung the Baywatch theme. Can you sing it? Can you remember it at all?

Yeah, can I get the Baywatch theme real quick, Dek? Absolutely not. I don't remember. Kai, can we play us off with the Baywatch theme song? There's no way they're going to sue us. It'll be fun. Highly. Craig calling on a blop on

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