The Ringer NFL Show - First Team All-Sleepers, All-Waivers, and All-Regrets After 4 Weeks

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

We start the show discussing the recent firing of Texans head coach and GM Bill O’Brien and what this means for the Texans fantasy season. Then we vote on our first team All-Sleepers, All-Regrets, and All-Waivers at the quarter mark of the NFL season before ending the show with some bad beats. First Team All-Fantasy (9:58) First Team All-Sleepers (16:04) First Team All-Regrets (25:45) First Team All-Waivers (31:43) Bad Beats (41:12) Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, we do a quarter season check-in, and we look at the first team all regrets, first team sleepers, first team all waivers, and the first team for top scorers. We also look at Calvin-Ridley being the number one receiver, even though he had zero points last week. And we also talk about Warren Beatty? Who is Warren Beatty? Millennials these days.

I don't know. That's a serious question. I really don't know what he's famous for. But we'll talk about all that and more. Stick around. This is the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. I'm Danny Heif. It's here with Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck.

Are you guys ready for a fun fact? Always. Oh, I'm ready. This is from Tyler. If you fire a bullet from a gun straight ahead and drop a separate bullet at the same time from the same height, both bullets will hit the ground at the exact same time. Did you fact check this? So, yes, I did. MythBusters has a whole segment on this because this is like as theoretical physics as it gets. The idea is that the horizontal plane and the vertical plane, the poles.

and gravity, they're not related. They're basically independent events happening at the same time. MythBusters tried this, and the result was it came down to like less than 40 milliseconds, which is slower, or faster than the human eye can even perceive. So yes,

they fired a gun from a pistol, dropped the bullet, hit the ground the same time. I'm just thinking about my high school physics class because that's the last time I took physics, and I'm trying to decide if it's like the force or whatever, you know, I don't know what the, I don't know what the equipsis.

are anymore, but like the forward force doesn't make a difference at all? No. No. There's no wind resistance. So that does, on a bullet, so it doesn't come into it. But, well, the gravity drops everything equally. Like, if you drop a bottle cap in a book from the same height, like they'll hit the ground at the same time. And I knew that, but the bullet thing kind of messed me out. I don't think that's true about a bottle cap because I think bottle caps catch air. But I think generally... A bottle cap? A bottle cap? I promise. Well, like, if you dropped like a playing card, a playing card wouldn't hit the ground as quickly as a bowling ball.

If you drop a person in a parachute and a basketball, they land on the ground in the same time. That's what he's saying, Hyphitz. There's different, I think there's difference in aerodynamics. Yeah, like a bottle cap probably catches a little bit of air as it falls down. I'm not going to lie. I thought you guys would like this one a little more. I have to be honest. I thought this one was really cool.

I think it's very interesting, but I'm dubious about all these facts that you're throwing at me. Shouts out Mythbusters though. great show. Look, just because I got Donald Parham wrong in the last one doesn't mean I don't fact check the fun facts, okay? All right, well, speaking of shots fired, Bill O'Brien fired from the Houston, Texas, this week.

Good job. Nice. So, that was like legitimately right after we stopped recording yesterday's podcast. Honestly, my worst nightmare as a producer. That was so frustrating because it's perhaps my favorite topic in the NFL is Bill O'Brien doing anything. It also came hours after he was like,

yeah, I'll probably, I'll just keep calling plays the rest of the season. Also, I read this into the pod and Craig's joke about how, you know, the opposite of viewing effect is Bill O'Brien effect where you trade away a player and your team immediately gets worse. It's like, I think that was so apt. And literally like five minutes later, O'Brien fired. I just want to quickly, can we just quickly do a Bill O'Brien timeline of the last 13 months? Sure. Please do.

August 8th, they trade a third rounder for Duke Johnson, which is the most draft capital. a team has traded for a running back in like six years and they didn't really play Duke Johnson. August 31st. I actually forgot. Yes. Three weeks later, they signed Carlos Hyde to play over Duke Johnson. And then the same day,

they trade just Davy and Clowny away for a third rounder. And then the same day, they trade two firsts and a second for Laramie Tunsell from the Dolphins, which is a lot to give up. They also don't sign him to a contract extension. Hold that thought. Then at midseason, they trade, I believe, another third or a fourth rounder for Gary on Conley,

which is the second year in a row that Bill O'Brien has traded for a player the week of the trade deadline they were facing which I'm extremely certain is because he's already watching tape of the team

that they're playing and doesn't have time to watch tape of the other 30 teams so he's like fuck it we need to make a trade I'll trade for this guy I'm watching on tape right now he did that two years in a row

continue March 16th trades away D'Andre Hopkins for David Johnson and a second rounder so keep in mind traded a third rounder for Duke Johnson didn't play him over Carlos I'd and then traded for David Johnson,

who the Cardinals were going to cut if they hadn't traded him away. They also got a second rounder. The next day, they guarantee $18 million to Randall Cobb. And then three weeks later, they trade a second rounder for Brandon Cooks. It's pretty unforgivable.

Three weeks after that, signs Laramie Tunsell because he didn't give him the contract extension to a record-setting deal because Laramie Tunsell fires his agent directly negotiates via Zoom with Bill O'Brien. And basically, I imagine, said, dude, you traded two first-round picks for me.

if you let me leave a free agency, you are fired. Yeah, he had infinite leverage. He got the best deal in the history of the offensive line without an agent. So is Bill O'Brien a one out of 10 GM, but maybe like a six out of 10 coach? He's a seven at a 10. Kevin Clark for The ringer.com wrote

that Bill O'Brien overachieved with Brock Osweiler where he got to the playoffs to win a playoff game and then had Deshawn Watson and only won one playoff game. Well, hasn't he won like nine or more games in like five of his last six years? They won the AFC South four times. That is hard to do. He's a good coach.

And then he was just like, oh, I'll just be the GM too. Coaches famously sleep in their offices. How are you going to do a 90, 100 hour week job? And then, oh, I'll also do all of the general manager jobs.

Why didn't they just fire him as a GM? Can you do that? I think you're just too, you're just too in deep. I think you just want a clean break at this point. I mean, he's like, he's just run the roster into the ground.

It's such an odd time to do it. I mean, you can kind of talk yourself into why they did it, and then it's kind of odd in a different way, because they had, like, the hardest schedule to start the season. So, like, yeah, they went 0 and 4, but, like, get a really hard start. So now you can bring in somebody else or, you know, hire somebody within, and now they can win some games because they're playing easier teams, and it'll look like Bill O'Brien sucked even more because now they're winning. But you could also make the argument

that, like, why do it now? One, I think it was the need-year. I think the owner, Cal there probably heard all this stuff and was like, wow, that was really a mistake to trade away this DeAndre Hopkins guy. Like, it didn't help that DeAndre Hopkins was amazing, and they started at 0 and 4. But I also think it's just you can't separate it. Like you can't demote Darth Vader. Like once you have that level of power, you take away half, you can't be like, yeah, he's walking around the office.

Like, oh, hey, Darth. Darth doesn't get a lightsaber now, but he's still walking around. Yeah, exactly. This is how I look at it. Do you know the meme, how it's like the dude pointing at like the piece of paper where it says, the best time to delete this tweet was immediately after sending it. The second best time is now.

This is essentially what the Texans are doing. The best time to have fired him was a long time ago, but the second best time to do it is now. Like, you might as well just get it fucking over with because it's clear that he's like not the direction this, this like franchise needs. The most shocking part is that the Texans cut the umbilical cord with Bill Bryan before Adam, before the Jets did it with Adam Gase.

And honestly, Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn and Matt Patricia with the Lions is also, there are so many coaches that just are teetering on the edge. All right, so wait, can we briefly talk about what this means for the Texans from a fantasy perspective? perspective, do we feel better, worse, or exactly the same about everybody? I wanted to ask you, Craig, about your David Johnson love affair. Because this potentially kills Johnson's value because now there's no like, Bill O'Brien's God, man.

Have you guys ever seen The Wire? You know, there's a point where basically one of the guys in the cop and the Wire witnesses the Mayor, I mean, you know, doing some things you shouldn't be doing. And then the guy, another cop later is like, dude, you got to get the Mayor reelected. That's your rabbi. And it's like, that was David Johnson trying to save Bill O'Brien. Brian's job, like just campaigning for the owner like, no, no, he's great, dude. I know.

It's like now, David Johnson's out of different school and he's got no friends. It's kind of, I don't know what to do. I mean, there's certainly no dependence on anyone's job writing on David Johnson's performance. Exactly. I think it's interesting. It's going to be very interesting. I want to know if they'll start using Duke Johnson more because this has been like a

really long running thing where Duke Johnson's way too good to be on the sideline so much. I want to know if they're going to, I mean, honestly, with the receiver's situation, like, are they going to try and, like, get more out of their young guys? Are they going to roll with Cobb? Because Cobb's been playing quite a bit and getting quite a bit of targets. I don't know. I just think it's going to be fascinating to see how the next coach uses the personnel, if there is any difference at all.

I would like to say that things will be totally different now, but I think it'll take some time. But in reality, they're just having an easier schedule now. And I have to think that they'll just be better a little bit. I would be shocked that they're worse. That would be really, that would be really nuts. But I also don't expect them to get significantly better. All right. With all that said, shall we get into the first team, all fantasy?

Yeah, why don't we talk about what we're doing? So, yeah, so it's a quarter of the season, quarter of the hell, your 25% barriers. Yeah, one fourth of the way through the season. So we wanted to do some quarter season teams. Like, you know, there's all pros and stuff. We wanted to do that for fantasy. But we kind of wanted to make a little more fun.

So we, we did a few different versions. of some teams here. We voted on stuff. Yeah, we actually vote. We took this serious. We had the balloting. We got Pricewaterhouse Cooper, the people who protected the Oscar votes.

The people who screwed up La La Land. Yeah, we have those people counter votes. So we had blind balloting and those people are holding the briefcase in the back. Yeah, so we wanted to do like our own version of voting

for like first team all defense in the NBA. Except it's first team, all guys you picked off of waivers. First team all sleepers that worked out. First team, all guys that you picked and have real regrets about. But before we get to that, should we just do read the actual highest scoring players at each position team? Yeah, this is the actual first team all fantasy through one quarter of the season.

Yeah, we realize very quickly you can't really vote on guys who just have an objective scoring measure. So first team all fantasy this season's, Dak Prescott at quarterback, Alvin Kamer at running back, Aaron Jones at running back, Calvin Ridley at receiver, Tyler Lockett receiver, and drum roll, please. Robert Tanya in a tight end. Unbelievable. He's the tight end one. I love it. So he just had three touchdowns on Monday night. I hope you added Bobby Tonyon.

If you're listening to the ads, you would have heard Danny recommend playing Tonian. So he barely beats out Travis Kelsey, who was 0.1 point lower than him this year. And Robert Tonin has only got three games of actually really playing. He had no catches in week one. So he's done this in one less game than everybody else. Well, he has five touchdowns. So that helps buoy things a little bit for it. If Devante Adams was never hurt, he probably wouldn't be here.

I want to know how many people actually have started Tanya at one time this year, though. He's the Tad I think that. No, but I think it matters, though, because the fact that Devante was out and then Luzard was out, I think that a lot of people really might have started Tanya. I also think it's funny because a lot of people probably added Tanya. My whole recommendation was add Tanya if you have Kelsey in case this Patriots Chief's game is canceled, and then it turns out Tanya was way better than Kelsey on Monday night. anyway. So when you look at this whole

all fantasy, first team all fantasy, this team is theoretically attainable. Even if you had a snake draft, like you could have gone. Camaro one, Jones, two, Ridley, three, Lockett, four, Prescott, five. Wow. I mean, it's very, very doable. So I want to, if any listener out there has this team,

please. Camara, and to be clear, that would be Camara, Aaron Jones, Calvin Ridley, Tyler Lockett, Dak, Prescott. That is an extremely attainable team. And Tanya. And Tanya, that's the one. If you have Tanya, please, Yeah, you have to email us if you have that team with Tanya. Yeah, so let us know if you got that. Okay, so just sticking with this for a second, can we talk about how Calvin Ridley is the number one receiver in fantasy football,

even though he put up a freaking goose egg a Monday night? That's nice. I love that. What do you do with that? But here's the thing, so it's been four weeks, right? So what is more Falcons than doing great for the first three and then blowing it in the fourth? Oh, wow, really nice.

I don't know what the hell happened last night. I mean, and Julio left, he only played the first half. Calvin Ridley got like five targets, and maybe he wasn't completely healthy, but it was, and I have Calvin Ridley on one of my teams, it was miserable. Zikaas kept catching the goddamn ball. Actually, he's kind of fun. He's fast. There was also the bizarre pregame show for Pat's Chiefs, which is Donald Trump flying on a helicopter to the White House, but we don't have to get that. What's the most, excluding Tanya, what's the most shocking thing here?

I don't think it's Dak. It's obviously not Camara. I think the most shocking thing is that you could definitely This team This team is attainable based on just ADP I think it's what you said of like It's not just it's not really a reach to be like Alvin Camara in the top three or four

Aaron Jones with your second pick Calvin Ridley third Tyler Lockett fourth Dak Prescott that's extremely possible that many people have this It wasn't even hard None of those were reaches Can we talk about how Aaron Jones scored another touchdown last night and now has six on the season.

So you said he would have 19 touchdown again. He couldn't get through that with that. Like smirking, you smug, son of a bitch. All he knows is touchdowns. Well, your bold prediction was that he would have exactly 19 again. But he's actually at pace from more than that. Yeah, I would say he just have the same year. I don't think any of us, did you, so I want to know this is number one, good job.

Number two. Did you expect the Packers' offense to be like averaging like 30? points a game this year? Yes. Or whatever they're doing it. I did, obviously. The Packers are kind of the most fun team this year, in my opinion, because they're basically like the fuck analytics team where everybody last year was like, technically they're the

worst 13 and 3 team we've ever had. And Aaron Rogers numbers actually mean he's terrible. And Aaron Jones was way too efficient. And you know what? They're just doing it again except better this year. Also, Matt Lafleur, did you see the stat they had where it's the first coaches in their first games and Matt Lafleur has like the second best record of all time. Well, he went 13 and 3 and now he's 4 and 0.

Yeah, he's 17 and 3 in his first 20 games. And the other... Who's first? Oh, crap, I probably should have had this. He's tied... I'll pull it up. It's like George Sefer or something. But, yeah, I get...

That's pretty interesting. Yeah, my thinking was just like... From going forward, I'm never going to knock somebody for being too good. Oh, I... He was tied with Paul Brown, who's like the best coach of all time. Yeah, yeah. Well, here's my retort, Craig. Like, you're never going to, you're never going to doubt people for being too good.

But like, look at what Lamar Jackson has done so far. I'm not saying he's been bad, but after this absurd record-setting season, we talked about regression all off-season and look at what's happening. Exactly what regression told us would happen. He's regressing. Nerd. I feel like he's just a, he's like an Alvin Camaro style outlier. Like, he's just, he's so efficient.

and the variables all match up for him to just be the outlier of outliers. That's math stuff. He's the number two receiver on the team, and then the number one got hurt. I think that's really what it comes down to is he's actually the focal point of their offense. And Devante was hurt half the games last year, too. So maybe all you need to do is just, you know, hit Devonte in the knee, and then Aaron Jones will have a great year. I mean, it's not a coincidence that Camara and Aaron Jones are both in teams

were the number one receiver. The top two receivers in fantasy football, the top two receivers in maybe real football, both got hurt, those running backs who are great at catching passes are the top two guys. It's not a cool chance. And it's also not a surprise that Tyler Lockett's up there considering what Russ is doing. And if we added a third Y receiver spot, it's a Mari Cooper, which makes sense with back. Okay, so let's get to first team all sleepers. Sure.

These are the sleepers that worked out the best this year, all the takes that worked out. First team all sleepers. All the sleeper hits. So we voted on these. So we all basically listed guys, gave them point values, and then figured out who was our top picks. And then accountants with briefcases came And then handed us envelopes Which we will be reading from right now

Spoiler, Moonlight actually won I did actually watch that before we did this Because I kind of wanted the vibes Okay, quarter... I don't know, I just kind of was like, well, how'd that go again? The vibes of that moment? I kind of wanted to just see it again

I was like, how did that happen? It's funny. Who was up there? Fay, I don't know, the guy, Larry's something. No. Warren, Warren. His name was Warren.

Warren Beatty and Fay Downway, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Spoken like a millennial. His name was Warren. Yeah, Warren Beatty. Dude, I have no idea who Warren Beatty is that. I don't have a clue. Everyone over 40 is probably like, what is wrong with you? His name was Warren. You do know who Warren Beatty is, right? No, I really don't. No. Is that like a TikTok star duo? Addison Ray and Warren Beatty, no.

All right. First team all sleepers is quarterback Josh Allen. Josh is the quarterback for first two old sleepers. Running back is Antonio Gibson. Those two are unanimous. the other running back's Kareem Hunt and receiver we got Robbie Anderson who's unanimous receiver is CD Lamb who's unanimous and then Noah Fant at tight end and then there were a couple others receiving votes

including Darrell Henderson got votes yeah Darrell Henderson PWC lost the votes Justin Jefferson Darious Slayton what do you guys make at this list I mean Gibson we talked about Gibson this week I mean DK you were dead on about Gibson Josh Ellen is like teetering on the brink of a sleeper

but I think that no but I think that counts because people, I mean, shout to Evan Silva at establish the run who said Josh Allen would be an MVP candidate and him at like the eighth or nine spots of bargain. He, that is exactly true through four weeks. So I think that's a sleeper when you're like, historic, having a historic fantasy season and you're going eighth or ninth, I think that counts. Yeah. I mean, if you go into the season as the QB nine, specifically because people doubt your ability to pass the football and doubt your ability to be the long, like to, to take that next step, I guess. Because I guess like if you're looking at Josh Allen, his profile is he has the

ceiling to be the overall QB1 because of what he does as a rusher. But so many people doubted his ability to be a passer. I think that's why he qualifies as a sleeper just because when you took him someone in your leg was like, that guy sucks. You're in a idiot. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Because people doubted he could ever be accurate. People doubted he could ever be a prolific passer or like even, you know, have his team like really ask him to throw the ball around the field. Because his foundation as a runner is elite. You know, well,

not elite. Maybe he's a little bit behind like the Jackson's and the Kyler Murray's, but still like very, very strong. And yeah. So I guess I think he, I think he qualifies even though he was like in this, he was like overall ADP of like 74ish.

So like, you know, six seventh round. But still, I think it counts. And he's been way, way better. He deserves this because he's been so much better than anyone thought.

Well, maybe not Bill's fans. The other person, so Kareem Hunt, I mean, he's just been really good, but Robbie Anderson at receivers just unreal. It's glaring. It stands out so much. Him and Antonio Gibson. I mean, Antonio Gibson is a guy that most people, the average fan would not have known who that was going into the season. No. They would have never heard his name. And Robbie Anderson is like the second coming of Ted Gin kind of where everyone just thought he was just like a deep guy who would change teams a lot and catch one ball a game for 40 yards. And now he's killing it. D.K. Is Robbie Anderson just eating DJ Moore's lunch? What's going on now? I think the problem is the way that he's being used is way more valuable in fantasy. And DJ Moore's A-DOT, his average depth target has gone way up this year. Robbie Anderson's conversely has gone way down compared to what he was doing with the Jets. And so he's getting a lot of these slants.

He's getting things over that short and intermediate, you know, using his ability to pick up yards after the catch. No one really, like, I think that's what everyone envisioned what DJ Moore's role would be. And that's why so many people were so high on DJ Moore. But Robbie Anderson stepped in and kind of been that guy for. this offense. And so, you know, it's just another freaking example of like escaping, escaping the yoke of Adam Gase is the best thing that can happen in your career. I cannot wait to see what Sam Darnold and Herndon and all these other guys can do for the Jets. Obviously, they're not like,

super deep in talent, but like, we can't play them everything on Adam Gase. We also have to give some credit to Sir Per. Who's that? To what? Did you guys not see the video of Robbie Anderson being like, what's that bear over there? Oh, I did see that. That's Sir Per. He's like, what's Sirper. He's like, that's the mask. He's like, you call Sirper. Yeah, I saw that. Sirper. I didn't know what you were saying there. No, no one. You also got to get a little credit here to Matt Rule and Joe Brady, right? Like, how has their offense changed since last year? Like, what kind of stuff would I run? I want to give it a surper. I don't want to give them any credit. It's just Sir Per's offense.

You give credit to the offense. You can give credit to Teddy Bridgewater, who's been more prolific than I thought he would be. and overall just the Panthers have not been nearly as bad as people thought. A lot of people had them being like the worst team in the NFL coming into a year. So they've definitely overachieved in that sense. And then the only other one that no one's talking about

is Noah Fant, right? Noah Fant is like a top three tight end right now and he even got hurt halfway through last week. Checking right now, he's the tight end four now that Tanya exploded. I voted for him because I realized that we're not going to be able to vote for him again in any other context because I'm worried about his injury.

But he's been fantastic. He was the tight end 11 and half PPR, or 12, sorry. So this is, again, kind of borderline. I would have, I think my top vote was Hawkinson here. What? Honestly, I think the top voters, my top vote was Johnny Smith. Wait, no, that's correct. Actually, my top vote was also Johnny Smith.

Why is Johnny Smith? I think this is literally a moonlight situation. Is this PWC? No, those are waivers. We have them there for waivers. You guys listed him at the same spot. I thought that was, because you know what, you know, we're not doing an Oscar. style, which is dumb. We're doing the VMA style,

where it's if you win one, the better category. If Beyonce wins best music video, she doesn't also win the lower, lesser video. It's like you have to give awards to the different people. MVP and offensive player of the year? Exactly. If you win MVP, like, guess what? Someone else gets an offensive player of the year. So we're going to talk about Johnny Smith later.

We can concentrate on Fant because he has been really good. He's been, I think what everybody thought he would be coming out of Iowa, like really good after the catch, really dangerous over the middle of field, like on these crossing routes and stuff. The Broncos have been a disaster, both in quarterback situation and in injuries. In fact, he's hurt now.

So we'll see how long fans out might only be another couple of weeks. But yeah, he's been great, man. He's been, he's on that trajectory to be one of these elite tight ends, I think. And also, if you're wondering why we don't have, like, Robert Tonion in here, it's because he was not a sleeper going into the season. Like, these are people who were on radars who are at the bottom of draft boards. Tonian was not there. I don't know, but you guys, I was saying Robert Tonin all August.

I was shouting it from rooftops. I was saying, you know, I don't know where you guys were. There was a little bit of Tonian talk, but I'm just going to look it up. No. You know, your general draft with 10 random dudes. Don't find the Robert Tonya receipts. No one has them. I'm not looking at receipts.

I'm looking at, I'm going to confirm what you guys are saying because this list from Fantasy Pros goes up to 388. Oh, like, what are you talking to average draft position? Yeah, and he's not on it. So he was in the 390s, probably. Yeah, so he's not a sleeper. He's, I don't know what he is. He's comatose.

Yeah, he was not on people's radars, really. So also, like the last category, if you somehow have all of, like if your team got so ravaged with injuries, which is possible that you had McCaffrey and you had, you know, Michael Thomas, and this is somehow your starting lineup or you roster,

all these people, send us a screenshot. I love that, yeah. Or just send us a screenshot of your injury ravaged lineup. That's probably funnier. Yeah, I'd probably enjoy that more. All right. Well, speaking of,

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regrets team. The first team all regrets. This is tough. Okay, so this is based on the voting. Quarterback is Daniel Jones. Running back is Kenyon Drake, unanimous. Running back is Levi on Bell. Receivers, DJ Moore, unanimous. Receivers A.J. Green. tight end is Rob Grunkowski.

I have some bones to pick with the academy here. What's up? I don't, I kind of can't believe that you guys picked Daniel Jones as a first team I'll all regret. I don't think that makes any sense. Why? Because no one picked him as their first quarterback for start.

That's not true. And then, no, no one picked him, unless you're in a two quarterback league, no one picked Daniel Jones to start. And then two, the whole point of Daniel Jones was, hey, the first few weeks are going to be tough. They're playing the Steelers,

the Niners, the Rams, the Bears early. And then later on, the whole point was that they were always going to be bad to start. You wanted him for the final three months as a sleeper. I think the academy has misjudged. I think that there is a much better person here. Okay. Who did you vote for? Lamar Jackson.

Because you took him really early and he's like top eight, kind of. And he's had two pretty meh weeks. I mean, I think this is a valid argument. I agree, Danny, because exactly what I'm talking about. Like, yeah, he was either the QB1 or QB2 in most leagues probably. and you were reaching for him a lot. Like, there's a huge tier between the people that were taking Mahomes and Jackson

and then guys like Prescott, Wilson, Watson, whoever. So I think that's definitely fair. You know, regression's hitting him, at least early on in the season. He hasn't been as, you know, explosive on the ground, certainly. And, you know, he had a really rough game against Kansas City. So, I mean, I think this is fairly...

It's close. Lamar Jackson is averaging 21 fantasy points a game. I mean, it's not that bad. It's just that everybody else has exploded. Yeah, but the average is belies the fact that he had one game, I think, with 15 and another 17. It depends on your scoring. But, I mean, that's not good. He's gone 27, 17, 14, 26.

Yeah, 14 is pretty bad. I think it's, no one regrets Daniel Jones in whatever round you drafted him more than Lamar Jackson so far. And then there being five quarterbacks or three quarterbacks who are an historic fantasy pace. And then plus another three quarterbacks ahead of him. and then he's not even close to those guys. And you took him either first or second among quarterbacks. I agree that that's a good call.

I mean, Daniel Jones, if you look at his average draft position, it was 15th amongst quarterbacks and he's the quarterback 30. And you can just cut him. No, but no, you just cut him. You have to play Lamar Jackson. There's no choice. I think you're right, though, Danny. Like, Daniel Jones probably not.

But I just want to stick with, but the interesting part here is that if you look at the others receiving votes, Mark Engram, J.K. Dobbins, Markis, Markis, Brown. The Ravens as a whole have been pretty disappointing. And Mark Andrews would be on this list, if not for a big week this week. I was just going to bring up the other quarterback that I think you could probably throw in here.

If you're not happy with that, Lamar Jackson take, Drew Breeze was the QB7 in ADP coming into the year, and he is currently the QB19. Yeah, he, he, I got,

I gave him, um, a vote on my list. Drew Breeze was my lowest vote as well as Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz, been very disappointing. Well, Wentz and Breeze,

I think have been more disappointing in real life than fantasy. Also, if you want to hit one more person, it's Deshawn Watson. Well. Yep. Yep. But now we have the Bill O'Brien theory coming in, so we'll see how he does.

Maybe, well, whatever happens with these Texans, we'll just have a new bill. We'll call it the Bill O'Brien theory. We'll figure out what the theory is later, but we're going to pencil in Bill O'Brien theory. We'll figure out what to say later. Kenyon Drake has sucked, and it's really tough because it seems like, just watching the games, it seems like Chase Edmonds at this point is probably going to take that job soon. I was kind of optimistic about Kenya Drake getting better, and now I'm just, I feel like Chase Edmonds is coming for that job.

And then that's really tough. But we were unanimous on that. The other person we have to mention here is Julio Jones, who did not make this team because AJ Green has not had double digit points yet. He was drafted in the top 70. Tyoy Hilton has not had double digit points yet. He was drafted in the top 60 or whatever. Those were my three votes, AJ, Julio, and T.

But Julio has been particularly bad because he had a great week one and then two, well, like five points or whatever, and week two and four. It's brutal. And then our other running backs are, so just, start over. First Team All Regrets. We're replacing Daniel Jones with Lamar Jackson. And then we got Kenyon Drake. We got Levi-on-Bell. Remember him. We got DJ Moore, unanimous, AJ Green. And tight-end, we have Gronk. For tight-end, I think it really should be Evan Ingram. That was my vote. But, you know, I guess Gronk's been disappointing. I don't know how high his expectations really were.

Well, if you drafted him, probably pretty high. Because you're the person in your league. who's like, oh yeah, gronk, I'm going to wreck it. But, yeah. I think Levion Bell is unfair. I think he should be replaced on the basis of he got injured. I feel like Mark Ingram probably is a stronger spot right there. That's fair. Well, Mark Ingram's been pretty bad, too.

Ingram is, like, not getting very many carries, and they're, like, the least valuable carries. So he's, like, borderline dropable at this point. Empty calories. Also, you want to really talk about one, like, if you talk about draft position, I mean, Carri-on Johnson was, like, drafted in, like, the eighth round. Oh, the other, yeah, the line, well, really, we're talking about Ravens and Lions running backs, because J.K. Dobbins has been awful.

Mark Ingram's been awful. Carion's been awful. And DeAndre Swift has been awful. And three to four of those guys are droppable. And you probably can't because of how much you spend on them. And for the Ravens, how good that offense could be. And you'll feel dumb if they go off. But they've all been horrible.

Yeah. Let's be clear. They've been very bad from a fantasy point of view. Like, Dobbins is really flashed. he just doesn't get any carry. Yes. But he doesn't get enough carry. And Swift has apparently been bad enough that they're like,

yeah, Adrian Peterson, you can get the ball instead, even though you've been here for a month. So that's tough. Okay. First team, all waivers. These are guys that, you know, you probably added off of waivers. They're not preseason sleepers.

They're guys you added. Quarterback. Finally some justice. Ryan Fitzpatrick for the Dolphins, all you heathens who voted for Gardner and Minch, you have a beef with you. Quarterback is Ryan Fitzp... Dude, we'll get to this.

Quarterback is Ryan. Fitzpatrick. Running back is James Robinson. Unanimous, probably the strongest entry on any of these teams. Other running back is Mike Davis. Receivers Justin Jefferson unanimous. Receivers, Alan Lizard. Tidon is Jonu Smith. I have a huge bono to pick with multiple of these

picks. Okay, let's hear it out because I'm confused about this. Why is it Jono and not Robert Tonian? Okay, first of all, Tonian, the reason I picked Johnny over Tanyan is because people were taking up Johnny after a good week one and actually played it. Exactly. People are adding

Tonian right now. He hasn't even made the list. He's not even on teams yet because they're not adding him until tomorrow or I guess tonight, last night because it's Wednesday. That's fair. That would be my argument. For the first four weeks, he is not the waiver king because he hasn't won anybody any games yet. Yeah. I feel like there

were some people who plugged him in this week. Yeah, all right, but it's not like he was going nuts. He had like 50 yards in a touchdown. All right, that's fair. All right, that's fair. And I also I feel, okay, I get that. Because also, Lizarre, I think, I like Lizarre as a choice, even though he is, I mean, out for a long time

because Devante got hurt, people out of Lazzard and then he crushed it. So I appreciated that. And Jono Smith is the third tight end in points per game because he didn't play last week, obviously. But, I mean, that's pretty crazy. Whoever believed in him, it really paid off. Yeah. The other person I just wanted to shout out here, who I think is a huge... Well, it's not a snub.

It's just that we probably should have done a flex for these positions, so sorry. But Jerry McKinnon has been fantastic. He's another one, though, that has only really had one good solid week. I mean, the first two weeks the season, he wasn't really a factor. No, but for the time that he, since he's been a waiver pickup, he's been extremely solid. He has, but I think James Robinson and Mike Davis

are above him. Mike Davis is like 80% of McCaffrey right now. I know, no, I'm saying he's clearly third to me. McKinnon, I just wanted to shout out Jerk McKinnon for getting touchdowns in multiple games since he's been in people's lineups. I think he's the appropriate third option here.

Yeah. Did you read off a few of the other people reading votes? Miles Gaskin, Darrell Henderson, Nyheem Hines, at receiver. How did Scottie Miller not win? How did we not get in there? I want to be kind here.

Why did you guys vote for Scotty Miller? Who's plugged Scotty Miller to their lineups this year and been like, thank God I played Scotty Miller. I had him in lineups last week and he did pretty well. He did fine. He did like 19.

He was my lowest ranked vote. I think he gets a vote. Fine. He gets a vote. Didn't Bobby Wagner get an MVP vote one year? Who the hell is Scotty, Miller. I think that's the whole, I mean, like, who the hell was he? And then the season started, and now he's

probably on half the people's teams and leagues. Seeing him next to Justin Jefferson, who has had, I mean, again, like the most yards for a rookie ever through four games. And then Scottie Miller was... Well, he's not next to Justin Jefferson, because Justin Jefferson made the first team all waivers. All right, fine. I guess Scottie Miller's second or third team all waivers.

Fine. I can give Scottie Miller third team all waivers. Fine. Out of all these guys, who do you guys like the most going forward? I like Justin Jefferson. Actually, James, like, are you talking about a receiver- James Robinson. No, if you can only pick one of these guys going forward, who do you want in your team? James Robinson.

James Robinson, yeah. Maybe Jonu? Mike Davis for every game that he plays, but obviously McAfry's coming back. But if McAfry came back, got hurt again. I would pick Mike Davis. James Robinson feels like a legit. Like, he's going to be their starter. He feels legit to me.

He's like the Chris Carson, where he just is so good right away out of nowhere that the team is just going to stick with him. Where do you go to college, D.K. Illinois. Date? I believe. That sounded like Ron Burgundy reading a teleprompter. I mean, Illinois State?

This, he is another one of these players where you go back, yeah, it's Illinois State, you go back and you watch it. And I did the exact, literally you could do the same exact thing with Chris Carson.

There's a reason these guys went undrafted. I went back and watched his tape. Kind of during the preseason when people were talking about him, like really being exciting at training camp and all this. His numbers, like his underlying numbers, because he was, he had a ton of production.

ton of production over the years. Those are really, really strong, and that's why he was on people's radars in terms of, like, the dynasty community. But, man, I went back and watched this tape. I'm like, this guy is just a jag. Like, he just, I mean, he's literally a jaguar. Well, you mean, by that, you mean just a guy.

Yeah, just a guy. And honestly, I feel like there's a reason, there's a clear reason he was undrafted, because I don't know, honestly, I just, I watched the tape. I didn't think it was very good. I'm not like, you know, the running back whisper or anything, but he's clearly a lot better than any team's thought,

or I guess other than the Jaguars who went out and got him in free agency. But I think the same deal is like that's why it really reminds me of Chris Carson too, because he changed his style of running. And he was like his tape was not good. And he was injured a bunch in college. Just like you go back and watch his college tape from Oklahoma State. It's like, okay, there's a reason this guy was the seventh rounder, no one ever heard of him.

and then all of a sudden they're like freaking amazing. Not to mention even in training camp, he was option D. There was Raquel Harmsted. There was Chris Thompson. There was Divine a Zygbo. And then James Robinson was the fourth dude. And then basically through injuries and COVID list, just was like, oh, he's the starter.

The way that he's running, though, is very impressive. Like, he's really decisive. He gets downhill, like, in the blink of an eye. He's hurling guys. He's physical. Like, I'm not taking away anything that he's doing. But I'm just saying, like, it's surprising to see him all of a sudden just be so good. because, you know, I don't know.

I didn't really see it when he was in college. Yeah, this does, it does support my theory that aside from the absolute elites, I think most running backs that are healthy are just pretty good. Yeah. I really do think that you could just grab like the average guy who like is the running back at Auburn, put him on a team with a decent offensive line in a good scheme. He'd be pretty good. Look at what happened.

This is just, this is getting off topic a little bit, but look what happened with the Browns last week. Nick Chubb, who is universally considered all-world running back, got hurt in the first quarter, and they are still ran for 307 yards and like average. Durness Johnson came in and was breaking tackles at a ridiculous rate. Like, it's there, yeah, I think there's definitely something to that. That's why like when running backs go out, it never really affects like this, the line or anything like that. The running back is a conduit of the entire blocking scheme.

That's the person who gets statistics for the work of 10. other people. And they're all just these ridiculous athletes. They're all absolute, you know, monsters on their teams in college. It's like, yeah, they're all going to be decent. And like, if you give them the right system, yeah, plug and play, whoever you want. Mike Davis, he's all right. Well, no, they're not all. Who's the guy who came in for the Rams last year? The big CJ Anderson. Yeah, that guy's not a great athlete. Oh, yeah, because you want to look at his numbers? He was like really good that year. He was like a top. Oh, no, Craig's citing stats. Don't look numbers in my face. I'm just saying, like, he could be puts up, I mean, he was like taking reps away from Todd

God Gurley. Because Todd Gurley couldn't walk. Okay. I think, like, overall, Craig, I agree with your stance. Like, there's obviously the Camarres and stuff. But there are, there are guys that are pretty bad. Yeah, they're, yeah. Like, most of them are on the Giants.

Whoever, like, yeah. So, I don't know. Yeah, Craig doesn't watch the Giants, clearly. Okay. So just to return to first team, all regrets for a second. Which of, so that's Lamar Jackson, Kenyon, Drake, Levin, Mbell, D.G. Moore, AJ Green, Rob Gronkowski.

Do you have hope for any of these guys getting better. Well, the obvious choice is Lamar. Okay, Lamar's not in this. It's, I mean, I think it's Drake or DJ Moore. And I think I would pick, I guess I would pick DJ Moore. I would too, since he's the hill I'm dying on. And I think that Gronk is also a hill I'm still going to die on. Wow. With O.J. Howard out now, they might actually be forced to use him. They've got like a lot of injuries. This is, this is Tuesday. So, well, it's Wednesday. And people, people's ears, but it's Tuesday in our lives. Correct.

This is Tuesday slash Wednesday. Tuesday Buccaneers practice. Zero receivers practiced. Chris Godin was out. Evans was out. Scotty Miller was out. I think even Watson was out. I don't know.

I saw a tweet that said zero buccaneers receivers. This is like an invincible situation. Remember that Philly story, the Mark Wahlberg movie? They're just like signing guys off the street. Call someone up. Craig, get out there, man. Maybe you should switch to receiver. I could do that.

Maybe like a Logan Thomas situation. Maybe the Tampa Bay Lightning are free and they can show the bucks and Tom Brady like some championship mentalities. Yeah, Brady doesn't have those. Anyway, so the hills I'm dying on

are gronkin more. TK., did you miss the Call of Duty generation? Like, you never played Call of Duty, right? I played a little bit. Okay, so in Call of Duty, when you die online, like you kind of go into prone for a second. Like, you're kind of like,

you can be revived, but you have 30 seconds. That's where you are on the hill. Like, the fact that you're still in the Gronk Hill is like, you can get revived. You might be able to be revived this week and you'll get up, it'll be fine.

But you also, it's not looking great. What's it called in Halo? It's like, re, you regenerate or whatever. Yeah, respond. Respond. Respond. You're trying to get respawn. You're giving your take CPR and we're right on the borderline if he's going to die or not.

Okay. Speaking of which, let's get into some bad beats. I put, I put two this week because I really like to. This one from Joe. Love the show and how to show this bad beat for my league last night. Standard scoring 10 team league. sorry Danny. I'm losing my 10-team league take.

I think you said that just to trigger me and everyone else took it personally. I think that's very, very accurate. I didn't realize you did it. It's just to trigger me. Most of the things we say in this pot are just to trigger another person on the pot. Anyway, back to Joe's email.

Heading into Monday, first-place team in our league is down 4.6 points to the worst team in the league, but he inexplicably has left Devonta Adams in his wide receiver slot instead of flexing him. manager realizes this rookie mistake and makes a panic trade of AJ Brown for Marquez Valdez Scantling and puts him into the lineup. MVS nets him 4.5 points instead of 0.6 loses by 0.1 points and now has to deal with a bad beat coupled with the reality he gave up AJ Brown from Marquez Valdez Scantling.

Oh my. Oh my. This is one of the worst ones I've ever heard. he fucking traded AJ Brown just for one win he lost what is moron why would that's so bad it's week four it's not week 11 like if you're staring at the game

and you're like wait I need five points to win you need the win makes a panic trade so you trade AJ Brown are you nuts I mean that's not ideal but geez that's so tough but there's another one that I wanted to read because I couldn't not read this one. This was from Philip. Went into Monday with a 19 point lead and Calvin Ridley.

The other team heads Todd Gurley ended up losing by like 0.4 points because of the Ridley Goose egg, but an extra detail to add insult to injury. I run the team with my dad. Sunday afternoon, he accidentally drops Calvin from our team because the app is open and his phone is in his pocket. Oh, wow. It was a butt drop? A hip pocket. Yeah, hit drop. Yeah. We immediately, were you just talking about dropping Julio Jones, like a different Falcons receiver? Yeah, but that person did it like deliberately by clicking.

This guy did it like a butt phone call. Yeah, his dad did it. Okay, we immediately text the commission about it, and instead of discreetly putting Ridley back on our team, the commission text the league group thread and tells everyone we dropped Ridley and to not pick him up. The league goes into chaos with people clamoring for Ridley to go to waivers. Obviously he doesn't, and we get him back. We start Ridley. He gets a goose egg.

We lose by point four. and the whole league proceeds to dunk on us. It was not a fun night. Also, I am a Texans fan. Football sucks. Ball don't lie. This is the quintessential ball don't lie situation. God, so many accidental drops.

I can't believe it. I have a couple really close bad beats that I want to share with you guys. Last night, I lost one of my leagues that I won last year, so I'm really wanting to win it a second year in a row. I lost in that league by four points. Austin Echler and Calvin Ridley netted me a collective two points. That's tough. Thanks, guys.

That's tough. Also, the other one that I think is funny is last night. I didn't actually lose this one, but I thought it was making me sweat. I went into this game last night, Monday night game with Green Bay and Atlanta. I was up by like 30. I had Matt Ryan and he and my opponent had Tonian. And this is a tight end premium league, so you get 1.5 points per reception. And I didn't even, I wasn't even paying attention until he had like two touches.

I was like, oh shit. Like, this is actually going to be close. I ended up winning by six, even though I went into the game up 30 with Matt Ryan. And he almost caught me with freaking Tanya. Anyways, I thought that was pretty fun. That would have been an all-time. An almost beat.

I'm sure there are people that had that beat, though, last night. That sucks. But the Ridley one of just like, also I am a Texans fan just slayed me. Best of luck to you. Whatever. At least you have Deshawn Watson. It's all good. Yeah, nothing like watching Deshaun Watson's prime slip away as you realize that he and you are getting older and the slow march of time moves on.

Okay. Sorry to Philip. Sorry to Philip and sorry to Joe. Shout out to Phillips' dad. That's, you know what? That's tough. You should lock your phone when you put in your pocket. You know what that reminds me of is there was a New York magazine story about Rudy Giuliani, National Security Cybersecurity Advisor, who had four phones and they were all bumping into each other because they were all unlocked until the series were talking to each other.

He's explaining that he doesn't want to use Siri and he's like literally a cybersecurity advisor. Anyway, hopefully that Joe's dad is not Rudy Giuliani. That's what I'm trying to say there. Okay. Anyway. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you to the accountants who protected these ballots. We're so glad that this process was done with integrity. And hopefully other ballots will be protected with integrity this month as well. Stick around next week. We'll have Warren Beatty on the show. This guy named Warren. All right. you guys on Friday.