The Ringer NFL Show - Is McCaffrey the Undisputed #1 Pick? Why Everyone’s 2021 Dynasty Rankings Are All Wrong

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

We tackle the most burning offseason questions through the lens of a first-year dynasty draft. We break down the best and worst values in the top 25, how the offseason QB shakeup will affect players' values, and debate how much age really matters when considering a player. Is Christian McCaffrey the undisputed #1 pick? (12:44) Is Saquon Barkley overrated? (17:06) What is Deshaun Watson's fantasy value? (22:13) Should Kyler Murray be the second QB off the board? (26:28) Is Carson Wentz a buy-low? (37:28) Are the WRs ranked correctly? (42:51) Is George Kittle over- or undervalued? (46:21) Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, we debate seven burning questions about fantasy football right now, including off-season storylines. DeShon Watson is a 20-something who wants to move to a warmer city. Really unique. I've never heard that one before. Also, we debate whether Christian McCaffrey or Saquan Barkley are overrated. Spoiler, yes, they are.

Also, there is a chance I have to eat mac and cheese every day for like half of next year. We'll see. It has to do with Frank Gore and Todd Gurley. You'll see. Stick around. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy. Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I'm here with Danny Kelly and Craig Quirlebeck. Are you guys ready for a fun fact?

Yeah. Yeah. This is from Matt. Matt. Courtesy of Jay Morrison from the Athletic. Jay. It has been exactly 11,000 days since the last time the Bengals won a playoff game. That's rough. That's exactly why we've got Joey B coming back next year, baby. Have they ever won a playoff game?

The Bengals? Yeah. Yeah. I have to. Yeah, you're right. Okay. So this is what our offseason content is. We just...

1990. That's just what we're doing. To avoid conversations like this for the rest of time in Memorial, we're going to be doing a lot more dynasty content. D.K.'s obsessed with Dynasty. He's in, what I would call it, disgusting

amount of Dynasty football leagues. Craig's getting into one. I have three first-run picks in mine. I'm very excited. Point is, Dynasty's just, like, kind of leveling up in fantasy, but it's also, like,

extremely intimidating and confusing. And you kind of sound really weird when you start talking about it. If you don't, if you're not in one, it just sounds like, odd and kind of, kind of obsessive and a little weird.

But it's not. It's actually great. And D.K., I want you to pitch us on Dynasty why we should give a shit about fantasy football in February. Yeah, is just like,

is just like, you know, liking indie films? Is that what Dynasty is? Is it a cult? Cinema. It's called cinema. Or your friend who's too into Robin Hood and crypto.

And you're like, stop telling me about it. I think the thing about Dynasty is it's not some like weird, you know, like trend or whatever like that, that exactly like you're saying like the, like not that crypto is a trend, but like, it's definitely, it's understandable. It's something everybody can do. Anybody who plays regular fantasy, you know, season long fantasy.

I like that you didn't want to insult crypto right there. Like you're like, not that crypto is a trend. I'm not against crypto. I'm not against crypto. We will all be on the blockchain at some point. The blockchain is life itself. You know, I think it's actually very accurate though that there's sort of like that mentality from people who play season long looking at Dynasty. It's like, oh, this is this weird. thing. I don't know what that is. It's like this Simba, like, don't go there, Simba. From an outsider, this is the one reason why Dynasty sounds lame. I don't want the same players

every goddamn year. That sounds boring. What if my team sucks? Well, that's what the rookie draft is for, baby. So there's just one draft in your whole lifetime and that's it if you screw it up. No, I think Dynasty is better because if your team sucks in redraft, there's not really a reason. But if your team sucks in Dynasty, you're like, oh, I did it on purpose. Exactly. Like, yeah, like instead of paying attention for four weeks and then your team is oh and four or one and three or whatever. And then you're like, okay, whatever. This year didn't go my way. Then you can start talking about, oh, I want to trade for some young guys.

I want to start getting my team ready for 2021. I'm going to start using like my aging veteran, you know, trade chips to make my team better in the long run. Like when you watch games and your young like receivers or whatever, like you got a first year receiver. Like say darnel Mooney, for example. He's not a, he's not a season long guy. he's just not on the radar for season-long players, really. Let's just note for a second that Darnel Mooney was the first player we mentioned in the off-season. I just want to throw that out there.

Yeah, totally. No, I said Joe Burrow. Yeah, there you go. All right, continue, D-K. Regardless, my point is, when you watch him on Sundays, and you're like, oh, he's looking pretty good. I could see him be legit. He's, like, going to be the number one for the Bears next year if Alan Robinson leave.

So, like, it's exciting to see, even if he's on your bench, it's exciting to see that. So it widens the scope of fantasy football. It widens the amount of players that you're interested. interested in. And it's just this whole new thing. So I'm actually read to you my elevator pitch, or at least part of it. Because, yeah, let's rewind for a second. I hope that includes what the hell it is, like actually explaining what dynasty is. Okay, yeah. So first of all, dynasty is, there's different variations of dynasty. I'm just going to say the general one. Like basically, you have a startup draft, which means you draft your team, say there's 30 roster spots.

So it's a big roster. And then you keep those players forever. You can trade them. You can drop them, whatever, but you get them, you get to keep those players year over year. And it's kind of got like, it's interesting because it almost has like a little bit of a stock market feel to it where you want to find, you know, that hidden gem. You want to find that hidden stock and like let that stock turn into Apple or turn into Amazon or whatever, you know. And so it's just really fun. Yeah, exactly. So. Everyone shorts Leonard Fernette and then we get rich.

Who is the game stop of fantasy players where it just goes nuts for one year and then you should get rid of them while you can. It's going to go right back down. Wow. David Montgomery, maybe. David Montgomery short squeeze. Oh, my God. But anyways, like, what I like about it is that, number one, there's just a little more strategy because you have to think long term.

You have to think, like, this guy's going to be good next year, and the year after that, and the year after that, versus, you know, some veterans are just basically on their last legs their contract or their career or whatever. And so you have to think that way. And he also has to think contracts. You have to think this guy is going into his, you know, the contract year narrative actually matters. Well, it kind of matters in season long, but it really matters in Dynasty because then you're thinking, like, if this guy goes to another team, he could lose half his value. Or he could gain incredible amount of value depending on, like, what happens.

I think you're burying the lead a little here because I think part of the dynasty elevator pitch here is instead of having Patrick Mahomes for like the breakout 2018 season, imagine if you just had Patrick Mahomes for his whole. whole fucking career. That is, that's the test, forever. That's like buying Tesla when it was what, like $20 or something. Exactly. If you got, if you got Mahomes as a rookie, you know, you're just in the money. And so, or like say Lamar Jackson, because he was a later round guy, you know, when he was a rookie. Like if he was, if you were doing a startup draft with rookies, he was going to be much later.

So, I don't know. I think it has all of the benefits of a season long league. It's like basically the same structure in season long. you know, head to head trades. There's a waiver wire. You have fantasy playoffs. You have the championship. But for starters, it's kind of less of a hassle, I think, than season long leagues because

there are fewer guys on the waiver wire because you have such big rosters. You don't have to, like, be quite as aware all the time of what's going on in the waiver wire. And then I think, yeah, just overall, generally speaking, it takes a little bit more strategy. To me, it's just more fun to, you know, build this. team with this vision that you have, like, whether you want to start a team, like, I want to compete right away. I'm going to take some of these, like, veterans instead. Or I want my team to be really good two years from now. So I just take a bunch of, like, the really good rookies

and, like, watch them grow for two years. So I think it's just a lot of fun. It kind of seems like, so there's two types of people who play Madden growing up. Do you guys play Madden growing up? I was going to, yes. I know exactly where you're going here. So, you know the franchise mode in Madden? Yes. Where you, like, start a team. There's two types of people. There's one where the, the, that you loved the draft. You did one season, maybe less, and then ducked out and then did a new one the next year because you're bored of your team. And then the other guy was the guy who has, you know, been simulating 25 seasons. And all of his players have retired and won 15 Super Bowls.

And those are the dynasty people, the psychos who are like, you know what, I'm in this for the long haul. You're a GM, you're a scout, you're a coach. You're doing everything. I'm going to go back further than Madden. If you ever played SimCity growing up, this is what dynasty is like. I played like the original SimCity on like the computer where it was terrible, terrible graphics. It was just like... What's the language they speak?

I don't even... I don't remember. It's been... Sims whatever. It's probably been 30 years since I played SimCity. No, 29 years, 28 years. Anyways, it's like you watch... You build the foundation.

You know, you start developing it. You have this plan. And then it grows and grows. of a sudden you've got this thriving metropolis or whatever if you're lucky. Wow. That's, that's my team. You know, because like all my rookies always pan out really well. By the way, they speak simlish. Simlish, of course. Really clever, creative name there. I think part of the problem with Dynasty is sometimes when people explain it, it sounds like simlish. But it's fun because at the end of the day, I think fantasy is really fun. It's funny because fantasy at the core is, in my opinion, it's the best way to keep up with your friends.

It's like the best way. It's a very centered group text. Do you want lifelong friends? Start a Dynasty League. The Dynasty, there's nothing. Like if you like, my core pitch is if you like your fantasy football group chat and you kind of don't like that it's only four months a year, the Dynasty group chat is like year round because it's an excuse to drop football news in 24-7 and it just becomes great.

And it's, that's my real pitch. It's really so much fun to keep up with the league because if you think it's fun to to make fun of your friend's team that sucks for one season, imagine if their team suck year round. It's great. It's just, it's a tremendous amount of content for the group text. Yeah. So, you know, we're going to see how many people like us at the ringer. We're going to see if we can get our own Dynasty League. If we have enough people who want to commit to getting to know us for the next 10 years, we'll see if we can do it. What is the required amount of time you think for a Dynasty League to last for you to feel like it was worth it before it flames

out? How long do they normally go? That's a good question. I don't know. I would say three years minimum is like the goal. If it's any less than three years, like, that was a waste. Maybe there's a hybrid league where you just, it's like a five-year dynasty league and then after five years you wipe and restart. That would be kind of fun. It's like signing up for the army. No, the longevity.

Once you build a history, that's fun. Like, you've been in the league for a long time. It's fun. So we're going to go through, we're basically just in talk like the top, we're just going to go through the top 20 guys in dynasty right now. Basically, who do you want to build your team around? Like, if you were actually to start, who's your first round pick? if you could actually build a player, like a team around, you get one pick, and it's just, you're building a team around this guy, you're going to keep them for theoretically their whole career.

Who do you want? And we're going to weave in some offseason narratives that's going on because there's a lot of moving pieces with this off season. Yeah, I guess, yeah, if you were starting a dynasty league and you had seven burning questions, this is what they're going to be. Shall we? Yeah. And by the way, before we start, I ended up just putting, this was Superflex. We're going to talk about Superflex. Superflex, generally speaking, is kind of, I think, the now the norm in Dynasty leagues, or at least in my experience.

So, one quarterback and then a flex position. You can play a second, yeah, you can play a second quarterback. You only have to start

one quarterback, but it's a competitive disadvantage if you don't start two quarterbacks. All right, so let's just run through here, the top 20. I'm going to whiz the room.

We'll do top 25. We'll whiz through them and then we'll just going to run through some stuff. So this is from fantasy pros. This is the Super Flex Dynasty rankings as of Sunday. Christian McCaffrey's number one.

Patrick Mahomes is number two because it's a two quarterbacks. correctly. Kyle Murray is number three. Sequin is four. Dalvin Cook is five. Josh Allen is six. Alvin Camara is seven. Jonathan Taylor is eight. Devante Adams is nine. He's the first receiver. Deshawn Watson is 10. Tyreek Hill is 11. Derek Henry is 12. Dak is 13. Lamar is 14. D.K. Metcalf is 15.

D.K. Metcalfe. Nick Chubb is 16. A.J. Brown is 17. DeAndre Hopkins. is 18, Justin Jefferson is 19, and then Travis Kelsey is 20. Routing out the top, 25 Kittle is 21, Stefan Dix is 22, Justin Herbert's 23, Aaron Jones 24, Joe Burrow, 25. Okay. So I'm glad that everyone who just heard that remembers the exact one through 25 that I just read. There will be a quiz on it at the end of the podcast. So first up for you guys, heard that whole list.

Is McCaffrey obviously the number one pick in dynasty? For me, it's not. No, same. I don't think at all. I think it's a little surprising to me that both McCaffrey and Sequin are this high on the list. But maybe that's just because, I don't know, man, in my experience, I'm sort of souring on the idea of having running backs that high in Dynasty. I know that the scarcity of top tier running backs is a thing. And I know that the value of those running backs is legitimate. Like you can use those guys as very strong trade chips.

But if I'm like, if I got the first overall pick, I'm either trading back into the back half of the first round or I'm taking a quarterback. I just want to get the quarterback in a super flex league. I just want the quarterback because I don't want to have to worry about getting a new quarterback for the next like seven or eight years or whatever. In redraft leagues, people are already on like on the bandwagon of like zero RB running backs are volatile. They'll get injured. And it's like now we're talking about them for their entire career. I mean, what are the odds of Christian McCaffrey having. more elite seasons.

I mean, 50, 50? What are the odds of Patrick Mahomes having 10 more elite seasons? Like 97%? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like if this were, if this were stocks, it'd be like, you go back to 2000 and it's like, okay. I like that.

We're doing stocks. Picking a running back. It's like, oh, McCaffrey, it's like Pets.com. And then like, Patrick Mahams is like Amazon. Yeah.

And you're like, pick a fucking quarterback, you moron. Like, this is the best quarterback I've ever seen through a football. The fact that you would pick anyone

over Patrick Mahomes. Again, there's a certain point with fantasy where the analysis, the numbers are kind of a wash, and you kind of just got out and not overthink it, and remember, this is for fun. And if you don't know what the hell you're doing, like, pick the fun option. Root for Patrick Mahomes for the rest of your life. Like, build

you know what I mean? If you could have Patrick Mahomes in your life for the rest of his career, take that every time. Like, yeah, I'm surprised because in a redraft league, that's super flex, you could make the argument that Patrick Mahomes is the number one pick. In a Redraft League. Now we're talking full career and it's still McCaffrey? I don't get that at all. Running backs, I don't want them in my, I don't think I want a running back in the first round. I may be some really young guy, but I don't know.

This is, to me, this is a little bit interesting though, because I feel like there's a lot of recency bias baking into this because we had the season that we just had were, you know, McCaffrey, Barkley, multiple of the top running backs got hurt or didn't produce to like what they're used to producing or what we thought they might produce. But isn't that the whole point? Yeah, I mean, that is, yeah, I think that's true. Like, that can happen and that makes, that's like, why am I doing this? I should just grab a guy that's going to be around for 10 years. That's the foundation of your team. You know who doesn't have recency bias? Quarterbacks, because they're the same every year. It was also recency bias when Todd Gurley just, like, just hurt his knee.

It was never the same. And then that was, like, well-founded. Sometimes, recency bias is just news. If Dak Prescott's injury happened to Zique, yeah. Like, Zeke would not even be in the conversation. And Dak, we all assume we'll be back and be fine, which just goes to show. So, DAC fell like eight spots total in a redraft, in a startup.

Like, he fell maybe around because he broke his ankle. Well, forget fantasy. Even Jerry Jones is like, yeah, no, it doesn't affect the contract negotiation. He'll be fine. Yeah. And like, that's real life football. They're actually paying millions of dollars for him. I mentioned by the end of next year, he's going to be back in the top 10. 100%. I don't know. The way the Cowboys are handing the DAC thing, it's funny, because in any other situation, you'd be thinking, oh, maybe DAC hits the open market, maybe he becomes frigging. And the Cowboys are like, Jerry Jones has basically maintained

no he will be our quarterback we love deck he will come back like he can recover from this injury like it's fine they're going to have to franchise tag him probably that would pay him 37 million dollars in a year where in the year where the cap's going to like 175 or so so he's going to basically be 21%

of their budget for one person so if they're doing that in real life the fact that his fantasy value might correct but not his real life value I think is kind of funny so now we've got now now we've got all these dynasty players mad at us for talking shit about like taking running backs early. I don't think it's necessarily true.

Good. Not to take a running back in the first round. I just think in the first pick, maybe even the first few picks, like I'm just, I'd rather take a quarterback. On that note, so I guess by nature of saying McCaffey's not one, we all are agreeing Sequin's not two. Here's the question. Is Sequin even the number two running back?

No. Get out of here. What, why would he be the number two running back? Do you know how many good elite running backs there are in the NFL who are? aren't coming off a torn ACL who aren't on the Giants? A lot. I would have Nick Chub over Sequin immediately in a dynasty league. Would you rather have Jonathan Taylor?

You probably, yeah. I think if Sequin was named Jonathan Taylor, he would not be the number two ranked running back. Sequin Barclay's like top three running back name ever. It's true. Okay, so Sequan's there. Dalvin Cook is there. How do you feel about Dalvin Cook? Like multiple injuries now?

It's the same conversation we've been having. It's just basically like, I don't know. it's how long is this going to last? Like how long is he going to be at the elite tier of the running back group? It just seems like the change is so fast. Hyfitz, what's going on with the Giants? Like, who's going to be the quarter?

Are we doing Daniel Jones for one more year? I believe this son Jason Garrett to a contract extension. Does that answer your question? Why? He's running the offense. The doubling down of Daniel Jones? Can you play the devil's advocate for me right now, Hyphitz, and make the case for Sequin

to be the number one overall pick? Yeah, okay. Can you summon like some devil music from like the omen or something? And I'll like emerge. Okay, let's see here. Hyphitz is levitating. I am Bill Zabob.

No, no. He was the number two running back in 2018 as a freaking rookie. If you believe at all in Daniel Jones being decent, I think the Giants can have a way better offense. Like it was the first season under Jason Garrett. And there is kind of a kind of interesting team here, right? Because the whole thing with the Giants coming into the season was that like Sterling Shepard and Sequin and Evan Ingram

had never played all these snaps together with Daniel Jones and that kind of is still true because Sacoin got hurt immediately. All these giant pieces being on the same team, there is an opportunity here for this offense to get a lot better. Jason Garrett is not the most creative offensive coordinator.

But if Josh Allen can take a leap, it's like Daniel Jones can take a leap too. And I don't even believe this as I'm saying it. I don't believe it, man. I honestly don't. I just can't even finish this. Good after though. Yeah. To Josh Allen, Josh Allen has ruined every fan base.

It's just delusioned everybody into thinking that their shitty quarterback can become great. The other thing I wanted to say this, I love about Dynasty, is I track ADP pretty closely during the season and during the offseason. Not so much during the off season.

There's not quite as much, like, change and stuff. But I love that during the season, if Saquan has, like, a really good game where he does, like, a crazy, cool play or something like that. Like people, it's exactly like the stock market. People get really excited. All of a sudden, it's like, look at Jonathan Taylor or John Jay Swift, the way that they rose.

Just for people that didn't follow this, like, both of those guys were very disappointing until a part in a point in the season where they absolutely were like top 10 dynasty running backs. You know what I mean? It was like all of a sudden it's like, holy shit, these guys are amazing. the same thing could actually happen with Saquan Barclay, I bet you next year early in the season. He makes a couple cool plays. He jumps over a guy, whatever, stiff arms a dude. All of a sudden, we're talking about like, man, we should have seen this coming. Like, you know what I mean?

There's so much recency bias in the dynasty community. And like, it's fun. I love it. It's not like, I do it too. But it's like, it's just, it's so funny how that shifts during a season. You said dynasty community. It reminds me of like crypto. It's very much.

Like us in the Bitcoin community are just, you know, It's a very emotional, you know, it's a very emotional market. So, you know, I'd say that in general, you know, Adam Schaefter is like the real-life NFL news czar. And fantasy, it's like, you know, Matthew Berry was kind of the godfather of fantasy football. Is there a dynasty guy? Like, who's the dynasty guy? There's a few. Ryan McDowell is one of the godfathers of the dynasty community.

Because I want, when you were talking about the recency bias and how when somebody has a good game, it just shoots up. Like, I want there to be like an Elon Musk of stocks, but for fantasy. He just like, he tweets like Kareem Hunt and then everybody just immediately like his ADP just jumps in 15 spots. Yeah. So there's nobody like that that we can. Maybe that's what we'll become.

Yeah, exactly. And then we, yeah, if only we could like inside trade to make money off that. Let's get to the quarterbacks here. I think we don't have to talk about my home. He's obviously the number one quarterback. I think Kyler is the second top quarterback. Josh Allen's three.

And then you got Deshawn at four. Let's just go reverse order here. Deshawn, what do we make of this Deshawn trade room? because I have thoughts here. So what is the rumor, first of all? Well, not a rumor. Sorry, I don't know if you guys know this.

The Texans are kind of not doing so hot. I don't know, maybe you heard the whole thing. You know, there's, so 25-year-old dude, unhappy with his employer, kind of thinks his boss is just, you know, doesn't know he's doing. It's like, typical millennial. Not happy with the pandemic. It's like, I'm going to move to Miami. And he's like, in Miami right now. And his friends are like, dude, you should like come here.

That's Deshawn Watson. It's also like every other person in their 20s. Everyone's trying to move to Miami. I don't know about you guys. You see it on Instagram. It's like everyone moved to Austin, Texas, and Miami. I don't know if you saw the news. Nobody wants to be in Austin right now.

Yeah, no one wants to be in Austin. It's not a lot of snow in Austin. You know, it doesn't get snow, Miami, Deshawn. The mayor of Miami is like adding people at Google and Twitter and Facebook and all these people to move their campuses to Miami. The mayor of Miami is a big Bitcoin guy. It all comes full circle. But anyway, I think, anyway, that's a.

very lame attempt to just be like, I think Deshawn Watson is just like everyone else. But I guess what I'm asking here is do you guys think the Texans are going to be able to move on from him or they're going to hold tight? That's tough. I don't, I think he's going to have to hold out. He's going to have to hold out. Yeah.

I agree. I think so too. So it's going to be a while. Because he's going to miss games. He has to miss games to move Yeah. Who's the new gym of the Texans? It's Nick Casary. He was in the Patriots and I don't know, again, not known for sentimentality. Sure. It comes down to whether Deshaun said basically,

he had a tweet that I think kind of actually summed up the mentality of basically it was like, it's a song lyric, but it's just like once they let you paint a picture for you, don't let them paint another picture. And like they told, they made certain promises about what he'd be able to do. They didn't hold up to him.

And if he actually wants the forfeit millions of dollars to not play, that's up to him. But like, I do think that would force their hand. And I think it'll be really interesting to see. Because I think the perfect storm here is that, you know how hard it is for quarterback to hold out and demand a trade? and the fans be like, you know, he's probably right.

Like, that's just, there's no other situation where the fans would not turn on the quarterback. But all these Texans fans are probably half like, I hate to see Deshaun go, but God, the fucking Texans suck. Do you think it would be hard to trade them midseason once all the other teams have kind of already, you know, set their quarterback? Yes, it would be harder.

But also, I also can't pretend to, like, predict what we do. Because if he actually just sat out week one, it would be very lightly preceded. Okay, so sticking with the rankings idea here, now you said it was Kyler, Josh Allen, Deshawn, that's the two, three, four. If Deshaun goes to Miami, or if he goes to Carolina or the Jets,

I'd say those are the three favorites, right? Are there any other that I'm missing? Denver, maybe? There was a rumor that he wants to go to Denver. So those four. Of those four. Just like another 25-year-old dude who just like, oh yeah, Denver seems cool.

I know, God damn it. Denver, Miami, New York. The climate in Denver is amazing. Anyway. A lot of son. 20-year-old dude wants to move to Cool City. Why does this? It reminds me of when I was a freshman in college,

I went and visited my buddy at his college, and I transferred to his college because I had such fun time. Wait, what? After one year. Not like immediately the next year. Yeah. What was your first college? Washington, University of Washington.

Oh, that's right. You dove. All right. Anyway. The grass is always greener, guys, is the idea. But if he goes to any of those four teams, which team makes is the best for him for fantasy in your opinion? So we're doing Carolina, we're doing Denver, New York.

Does anyone get more productive when they moved to Miami? Miami. I think it's probably... Does it ever happen? I think it's Carolina and then Denver and then Miami and then the Jets. I think it's got to be Carolina, right? Yeah. At least...

I think if he got traded, he might become the QB2. Yeah, I think so too I gotta say I don't think Kyler would be my second quarterback I was gonna say Josh Allen being behind Kyler seems just pure speculation I think Josh Allen We don't even really know if Kyler Murray's good

You know Kyler's running is the thing I think that everybody is definitely focused on but yeah I mean his passing Josh Allen can run too That's true It's like Tyler Murray doesn't have like a monopoly on running Yeah and also Deshawn Watson

not bad with his legs either. I think I would take Deshaun. I would think I would go Mahomes, Josh Allen, Deshawn, then Kyler. I think I would too. Yeah, I think I'm with you right there. Hyfiz, what do you think? I think it's probably accurate.

I think it's weird. I think there's a clear tear drop there because Dak is coming off the ankle thing. Lamar's coming off of whatever. Lamar's coming off of. And I mean, if you believe in Lamar, you're probably, I mean, you could get Lamar as a second rounder. Right now he's ranked like mid-teens,

and you could theoretically get Mahomes with the first pick and then maybe Lamar would fall to you. That's kind of amazing. So, but at the, the same time it's just there's clearly a certain better certainty which I mean saying this out loud is incredible but Josh Allen just seems more secure than just about everyone except Mahomes right right and I can't believe that sentence just came out of

my mouth but it feels true yeah um you know after those first four though I totally agree I think you know Josh Allen for the next 10 years I think will be in Buffalo I don't know if this is a hot take I think my fifth quarterback is Justin Herbert so Herbert was good but here's my thing on it sometimes with the dynasty, I think it's good to, like, just do a little thought exercise of, let's say this player that I'm into just had three terrible games and everyone was worried they would suck now. What would you say? And you're like, oh, wait, right. Herbert's second season, completely different coaching staff sucks now. Would you feel like a moron? Maybe. I mean, it's a really good point, obviously. It's a little bit recency bias, I suppose, but I don't know, you know, are you really that confident? Like, if you're doing Lamar versus Herbert, If he grows the hair back out, I would draft Herbert. But only if he grew the hair back out. And he needs the headband, too.

I was anti-head band. He draws his power. Ever since Mark Sanchez, but I'm into the headband now. I don't know if you guys heard. He was on part of my take, and he said that he found out he was starting in that Chief's game 15 seconds before the game started. You know, I think that's great coaching. What? I'm in?

Oh, man. He said it was at the kickoff. They said, you're in. I thought everybody assumed it was like 15 minutes. It was 15 seconds. He's like the ball was in the air headed to the end zone. And they're like, hey, Justin, you're in the game. So how much of this was the decision by Anthony Lynn and how much of it was like Tyrod Taylor was actually just stabbed moments before the kickoff?

Probably that. And then there's probably seven minutes of panic. Like, hey, Doc, can he play? And the doc's like, I really don't think he can. And they're like, all right, I guess what are we going to do here? Are we going to have Echler go Wildcat the entire time? And then they're like, no. To draw parallel to my life again, the first.

First time I went on the Bill Simmons show. Podcasts. No big deal. The Bill Simmons podcast. It's a popular thing. I don't know if you've heard about it. Anyway, I was just in the room watching. I did not know that I was going to be on the show.

And then Simmons was just like, oh, hey, bring Danny in, you know, whatever. And then I was like, oh, the futz in with the earphones. And I couldn't hear anything. And someone was asking, I can't even remember. I think it was, might have been House, was asking me a question. I was like, oh, I can't hear anything. So it was just a disaster. So that reminds me of Herbert going into the game 15 seconds

after he found out he was going to be starting against the freaking chiefs. Did Kevin Clark get stabbed? Is that why he went in? Yeah. Okay. So that's the actual thing. I'm curious about this, though. Wait, keep going here.

Like, after those four, hyphus, who's next for you? I think that's the big four. And then what? So you got, I think, Lamar and then Dak. What about Russell Wilson? That's the thing. Russ is missing here. He's falling far.

Yeah. I think Russ. I take Russ over Lamar. Ross, really? Yeah. DK., can you walk us through this Russell Wilson unhappiness from this week? This was kind of surprising.

Yeah. There's a lot of layers to it, I think. I don't think it's fake. I don't think it's like not a real thing. But I do think he is just trying to exert some public pressure on the Seahawks to, you know, maybe make it a bigger focus to have the offense. to get the offense in a place that he thinks it needs to be. So, in other words, like, spend money.

Well, to be clear, he went on the Dan Patrick show, and Dan Patrick asked him, you're going to be, like, the most sack quarterback ever. Like, how do you feel about that? And he was like, he basically didn't blame the front office, but he's like, I would like to be more involved in these decisions, implying that he's extremely not involved. And that's important because for pretty much the first time in Russell Wilson's life,

he, like, wasn't a robot. You know, he didn't say the exact politically correct NFL teammate thing. He was actually like, yeah, right. And he's never done that. And people all talked about how he was going to, you know, he's throwing his offensive line under the bus and stuff, which I think is a thing. Like, though, he's the one getting thrown under the bus because he's getting sacked. I would want to throw a number at you. So right now, Russell's was 32 years old. You know he's the 20th most sack quarterback ever. And so here's the thing. He's, he's averaging, averaging 44 sacks a year. So you just throw two more seasons than that. And I'm not not as most, like his average, like his average, seasons are getting sacked. You throw 88 more sacks on his career total. He'll basically be tied for the sixth most sacks ever, like with Randall Cunningham. And that's, he'll be 34 at the time. He wants to play to at least 45, like Tom Brady. He hasn't missed any games in the span. So like, it's like, he's already one of the most hit people ever, even though he, I mean, he's good at not taking hit sometimes. So I think he's kind of earned the right to say this.

Don't you think, D.K.? I have two minds of this thing. So on one hand, Sacks are a quarterback stator, at least they're influenced by the quarterback. Russell Wilson holds on to the football. His height is a thing that's an issue at some time. He's he can't see the middle of the field maybe quite as well as some other guys, like Tom Brady, who's 6'5.6 or whatever and stands in the pocket and just picks apart defense. And Russell's what, 5'4? He's 5'10 and change.

So I do think there is, I'm not going to try and dispute the fact that sacks are related to the quarterback. and Russell Wilson, you know, creates his own sacks. I know PFF does a stat, you know, where they track the amount of sacks, quarterbacks create versus, like, the offensive line creates, and Russell Wilson ranks highly in created sacks. However, watching Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl really was, like, a trigger for me. It was like, this is, like, watching Russell Wilson's offensive lines for the first, like, nine years of his career.

like he's immediately having to bail. He's immediately having to like spin away. Pressure coming from two different directions, three different directions. There's so many times over Russell Wilson's career where he's had that problem. So there's a gray area. Let's live in the gray area. It's not one thing or the other. Their offensive line could absolutely be better and should be better.

And if it is better, I think he could pick people apart. So that's where I land. Some sacks aren't him. But at the end of the day, if he had a better offensive line, I think Wilson would play much better. So what do you think the odds are that the Seahawks draft an alignment with their first pick this year? Well, they don't have a first round pick, so that sucks. Second round, they could probably still get a pretty good offensive lineman, though.

So, yeah, I think there's a strong chance they do that. So at the end of the day, it's not like Russ is getting traded, but it's interesting just to see someone who, as Craig said, has just been robotically positive team-oriented. Just be like, I'm fucking sick of watching Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Like, this sucks. Why is this happening? You know it's funny? If everyone watched that and thought, wow,

Mahomes kind of looks like Russell Wilson, you know who probably also thought that? Russell Wilson was like, that's what I've looked like all this time. That looks awful. Trying to do the Romo spin out and just running into like a defender, throwing it backwards.

Just, yeah. It's like a wake-up call from him. He's like, wait, Mahomes can't even do this. How am I supposed to do this? Anyways, I think that Russ, so I think the interesting thing, I do think Russ is, again, maybe he's 32, but I do think Russ plays 12 more years in the NFL. Like, I really do.

Yeah. Never missed the game. I think that Russ, if you want to take Russ over Dak, I'm fine with that. Russ is unbelievable. So, D.K., I wanted to ask you personally how, when you do Dynasty, how many years do you look ahead? Because Russ is 32, right? But like Hyatt said, he wants to play until he's in his early mid-40s, whatever. Like, is there, like a correct way of thinking where you should only think kind of five years ahead?

because by then, you know, like, nothing will go according to the planet. So much shape and change. Right. Like, should you not... Depends if they're an Aquarius. Right. That's huge.

Astrology is a massive part of dynasty. But should you even... Should you even care if Russ is 32? Like, should that matter at all? No. Not? So I think the question is, or the answer is there's more than one way of doing it,

obviously. I think... And it also matters how early you're talking. Like, early draft picks, like the first few draft picks that you make are so valuable for me. me personally, I want those guys to be the foundational part of my team for at least three or four years, minimum, maybe longer. That's why I have trouble picking running back in the first

round, just because the shelf life is so small. It's so short, even if they're an elite player and even if there's not very many of those elite players, I'd rather have a guy like, you know, one of these elite quarterbacks. And I even have a problem picking Devante Adams at this point just because he's getting older. You know, that's why I'm almost like, man, pick a guy on like Justin Jefferson over like Hopkins because he's going to be in the league for the next like seven, eight years being at an elite level. To me, that is more valuable than having a guy who's, you know, a few rungs higher on the receiver list, but is getting older in his career. So to me, I value youth and like long, like the length that they'll be in the league higher than

some people would. A lot of people would probably, and this is why I love dynasty because there's so many different strategies, a lot of people would look at that and be like, I'm playing that. I'm playing Danny in this league. He wants guys that are going to be longer lasting in this league. So therefore, I have an advantage because I can pick Adam Thielen. I can get Adam Thielen later. Yeah, exactly. I can get, I can go win now mode, win a

championship, win X amount of dollars, and he'll pay for my buy-in for the next six years. And that's how I'll go about it. So there's so many different strategies, but for me that, like I look to have a young, I like to have a young team because I don't like to have to fill gaps

every single year and make trades and all that stuff. I have an update. Russ Wilson is a Sagittarius and apparently his tendency to lean into his free-spirited side, drift off and do his own thing. Which, I mean, that literally is his pocket presence. He can play baseball. So, okay.

Stick with quarterbacks here. Carson Wentz. Albert Breer from SI went on Colin Cowher this week and said that the frontrunner for Wentz in a trade market was the Bears. And now the Colts and the Bears are the two frontrunners, but the bears are ahead of the cults. Now, obviously, you know, who's the sort of, here and who's actually given this information

you know, who knows. But Wence to the Bears is kind of hilarious. They kind of deserve each other in some ways. I think that in some ways Wence to the Bears is hilarious. But I think there's also something funny because the roadblock in these talks seems to be that

reportedly the cults have offered something like two second rounders for Wence and the Eagles want two first rounders. Yeah, they want the Stafford deal. I think that the idea I don't even, Craig, can you think, like, what is an analogy for the Eagles after having this Carson one thing blow up? And they're like, actually, we want two first rounders.

Well, you know, it's like in a fantasy draft that you want to keep this in our show's space here. It's like the guy who drafts two quarterbacks in the first round and then three days after the draft goes, hey, I'll trade you Russell Wilson for D.K. Metcalfe. And you're like, no, dude, that's not how it works. Just because you have another quarterback doesn't make it more valuable to me. Like, I need a lot more than that. You can't just come out of here asking for the world and a half for this guy. you don't even want. No, I'm not doing it.

Because they're going to get nothing for it. I had a friend in high school who was the first one to get his license and he had a car. And he called me and be like, hey, dude, do you want to go see a movie? I'm like, yeah, sure. He's like, all right, cool, yeah, I'll come pick you up. You give me gas money. We'll go see a movie. And I'm like, no, I'm not giving you gas money.

And he's like, well, I'm driving. I'm picking you up. I'm like, you called me. Like, you're the one who wants to go see a movie. I'm not giving you money. And it's like, that's what I think this is. like the bears are like yeah we'll give you a pick he's like you know the two first rounders like dude you're the one who wants

to trade the quarterback here like you don't get to charge that you're fucking kidding me oh that's hilarious Venmo guy's a real guy who's just like that's such a real guy like hey dude I know you didn't eat at dinner the other day but you did have half my chips and guac so if you want to shoot me 3.95 and it's too precise it's like just round

so basically yeah that's what happened the eagles are Venmo requesting the cults and the bears two first round picks and just hoping that they hit confirm and like don't check the receipt. So this is, I think this is interesting though, from a dynasty point of view, since we're talking Dynasty, Wence's value in Dynasty is a hotly debated topic because I think a lot of people are not ready to, I feel like people are holding on to like, it's almost like the sunk cost vowsy. It's like last year I spent a really high pick on this guy to get him or whenever I grabbed him, you know. And now, even though he may never be a good player anymore, like, it's hard to

trade for him too, because like people still, I feel like still want a lot for him. What do you, like, what did you guys, what's your view on that? Are you buy, would you be buyers in the situation if his, if his value is diminished from like where it was, it's greatly diminished from where it was last year. But for me, it's still too high because I'm like, I don't know if this guy's ever going to be anything. This is a little sports cards nonsense conversation here, isn't it? We buy in, we selling, we holding? What are we doing? I think you should hold out. You should get two first round picks for him.

Nothing more, nothing less. Yeah, I think that's good value, you know? You get $10 on your dollar back? That sounds good. You know, it's the fantasy version of you just send the trade offer and be like, Mabel to confirm by accident. Did you guys ever have a guy who do that? We had a buddy who drafted quarterback in round four and five,

and for the remainder of the year tried to ship one of his quarterbacks, and no one did it. So he just had one quarterback and spent the whole year like a moron. I know. Also, the other part of the D.K. You mentioned the Suncoast fallacy. I think that's called having diamond hands now. Like, Howard Roseman for the Eagles,

like he just has a diamond hands at Wentz. It's like, you know what? You held Wentz. Could have got rid of him. Now it's just kind of like stuff. And I was going to have to sell them with, you know. It's too bad. Okay.

So wait. First of all, where do you think Wentz is week one of 2021? Bears, Colts, Eagles. I'm going to say Colts. I'm going to say Bears. I think it's the Bears because everyone involved with the Chicago.

has less job security, and therefore is more desperate and we'll pay more. And if they screw up, well, it doesn't matter. They're getting fired anyway, whereas the Colts don't have that kind of pressure. The Colts, Chris Ballard, who's their GM, Frank Reich, the coach, if they have a bad season, they're not getting fired. Whereas everyone in

Chicago's gone anyway, might as well trade these future draft picks that if it works, cool, and if not, not our problem. Yeah, and they're in a point in the draft in the middle of the round where it's unlikely they're going to be able to get one of the top quarterback, so they got to do something. The person bears of like back to back picks. I think the bears are like 21 of the culture 22.

So it's the same thing. It's, you know, it's just who wants to give up more. All right, let's get from quarterbacks to the guys catching passes from quarterbacks. Unbelievable group of receivers that are now entering this picture of guys that just were not hot commodities last year, but D.K. McGaff, Justin

Jefferson, AJ Brown, Stefan Diggs. There's players that were not really like elite that are all you could argue like top three players. I'm curious, I mean, Deky, you're the draft guy and expert here. I'm curious which of these young dude you think is most legit as like I would, I think this guy is an elite

elite player for like the next five years. Not like a Julio Jones, but like a Julio Jones. So like you're asking of D.K. Metcalf, Justin Jefferson, A.J. Brown, that group of guys. Who do you want the most? Man, that is so tough because... You get one of them for... In Dynasty. Like, it's your second round pick. You want one of them.

Who are you picking? All three are available. Man, that's so tough. D.K. Metcalf obviously would have been the easy answer before the Seahawks completely collapsed in the second half the year. But I do think with what Russell Wilson's doing, the pressure he's exerting,

I think they're going to figure it out on offense. And so I think I would still say D.K. Metcalfe. But I was very tempted to say Justin Jefferson right there. Just because what that guy did as a rookie was so, so impressive. Just the way he plays seems very conducive to fantasy points. Like he's good, short, middle, deep. like he's a good route runner

he's a box out guy in the red zone like his skill set is very conducive to like very consistently scoring fantasy points whereas DK Metcalf to me is a little bit more

like boom or busty I guess you know what I mean busty a boom or bustish honestly DK McHF is busty he is that strong he's that rare

that's true that's probably the proper word and the same deal with AJ Brown like it to me same deals like boomer busty or busty or busty

They're both in the same photo. Yeah. That's true. Both of them are very busty. I think with wide receivers in Dynasty, I think you're like 33% of your analysis is kind of on the quarterback, right? Because that's the reason why I think I'm leaning, D.K. Metcalf is like, I don't know if Kirk Cousins is not that he's that great to begin with,

but like who's going to be the quarterback on the Vikings in three years? I can be pretty confident that for the next seven years, D.K. Metcalfe will have Russell Wilson who has said that he will, he wants to be the Jerry Rice Joe Montana. And that's, I think, what I would bet on. I think that's exactly, exactly right. I don't think Kirk Cousness is the quarterback in Minnesota three years from now. I think there's just that uncertainty alone is, again, when it's that close, that's a pretty

quarterback is always a good tiebreaker. Because all these guys at the top have talent, right? But, like, I don't want Alan Robinson because his career, if you have him on your dynasty team, you don't know who's going to throw him the ball every year. At least with Metcalfe, you know. I think that's a good point. I mean, look at what happened with Michael Thomas. Coming into last season, Michael Thomas was the,

number one receiver in fantasy in Dynasty, I believe. And now, at least according to this list, he's number nine. And it's absolutely because of the quarterback situation. Like, Drew Breez retired. You have to think about this stuff in Dynasty. It's so fascinating. But I think it's absolutely true. And there's, I think you could make the argument that Stefan Diggs is way too low on this list. Because he's going to be tethered. He's going to be tethered to Josh Allen for years. And we don't know. And we don't know. So you know they're close.

True. I didn't hear that. Oh, D. K didn't get the reference. It's okay. I didn't hear it. of duty. They play call of duty together. I don't know if it's in Mahomes, they talk call of duty all the time. Right. Yeah. They're tight. The other

person here, I think, is a good example of what Craig's talking about where the quarterback's low-key really important is George Kittle. Because obviously, tight end I mean, how many times this year have we talked about how Travis Kelsey is the guy we don't draft in the second round and then we immediately regret it and we wish we had Travis Kelsey.

And George Kittles has been on that list. He got hurt this year, obviously. But Kelsey is still the number one tight end because he has mohams. And then you got Kittle's number two. But Jimmy G., I mean, assuming he even makes it to this season, because they could be cut for, and they could pay him, you know, nothing but like $2.8 million

if they cut him, they could upgrade him, they would. But I don't think Jimmy G's the long-term guy there. Kittle now is hurt, and, you know, the whole, like, oh, he doesn't go down and it gets tackled is kind of concerning when the injury starts the amount of? So would you be comfortable, where would you be comfortable drafting George Kittle?

if like a DeAndre Hopkins or someone's still on the board? Or like, how confident are you in Kittal over like a three or five-year period? Yeah. This is a very tough question because, to be honest with you, I have Kittle in a couple of leagues. And he's sort of a guy I've circled as like, I want to trade this guy a little bit. Because he's 27. I mean, yeah, he's not like old, but he's, you know, getting closer to 30. He's had some injuries now.

The way he plays is, I would say, like you said, conducive to big. big hits. And to me, it's like, this hasn't happened. And I'd say that his injuries are not related to the way he plays necessarily. It's just kind of freak things that have happened. But the way he plays, it's like, I don't know, when you got guys like hanging on you from behind. And like he's dragging people down, like, people are having to drag him down. To me, that's scary. Like, when you're watching those, like, oh, the guy landed on his leg. And like, it was weird. Like, there's so many of those plays where he gets tackled weirdly. And it just makes me nervous. And so I would be lying. athleticism. Yeah. So I'd be lying if I said that I'm not worried about injuries in the long term with him. I think he's an awesome player. He's super fun to watch. And he is easily the titan too.

Like him and Kelsey are on a whole different tier. So it's not bad having him. But to me, he's like the kind of guy where, you know, if he made a run and had a couple of really good games, that might be the kind of guy. I'm like, okay, I'm going to cash out on this. You have Elon Musk tweet out, George Kittle looking good today. Yeah. I think one thing that's really funny that I'm already starting to notice about Dynasty, having not even played it, is that it kind of turns you into like an armchair medical

professional or you're like really trying to look at it and figure out like whether or not these people are going to get hurt in the next three or four years. And Kittle, Kittal's super scary in that regard. It's also made me think about, we didn't mention Tyree Kill, who I think is this fantasy pros here they have him at, he's the second wide receiver. Tyree Kill relies on his speed, right? So it's like, is that going to go? he's 28 years old. It's like how they say little point

guards in the NBA don't age well. Are you worried that once Tyree kills hamstring starts to get wary or he hits 30 years old and he's a little slower? Is he just going to completely drop off the map? Maybe a guy like DeAndre Hopkins who doesn't rely on his speed might last a little bit longer, you know? That's, yeah.

It's a great point. That's a very fair point. But the flip side is also like, you go down this rabbit hole and it's like you start to worry about football players getting hurt and it's like maybe it's just not the sport for you. We're becoming all these players. mothers. Exactly.

We were just like, oh my God, George, just go down. Why do you keep fighting? It's like, look, he got the tattoo of the

Joker the day before his wedding. Like, he's not worried about it. Fucking badass. With Kittle, is there any other tight end in the league

that you could see being the best tight end in the league in two years other than George Kittle? Kyle Pitts, who's going to be the rookie out of Florida?

That's a good point. Is he your second pick? I should have said, I think Darren Waller actually belongs in this tier also. I was remiss in leaving him off of that tier. After that, there's a big drop-off.

Is Darren Waller all to George Kittle without any of the risk? He's 28. So, I mean, George Kittles will be 28 in October. Is he just unsexy George Kittle? Is that what Darren Waller is? Well, their playing styles are immensely different, but they're both basically their team's number one receiver. In terms of value for drafting them,

is it just the same thing? The titans you wanted, the titans who are actually their team's number one receiver. Like Zach Ertz a few years ago was the team's number one wide receiver for the Eagles. obviously Kelsey is for the Chiefs. That's what you really want. And Waller's in the select group of people who is that. And both guys have performed with mediocre quarterbacks,

and both teams could have different quarterbacks come 20-21 season. This is very cool. I saw that, I still feel like people are anchoring to the fact that Waller was like a really late breakout. Kind of came out of nowhere. He was, he struggled. And I think he was even out of the NFL briefly because of, you know, addiction issues. He came back. So I think people are anchored to the NFL.

fact that he wasn't like this blue chip guy who everyone knew originally. I saw this from PFF. He led the NFL at the tight-out position in contested catches too. Like he's a really good player. He's not just benefiting from like getting a lot of targets. Like he's a really good receiver, great hands, awesome at the catch point, can get tons of yak. He's, he's not as good at yards after the catch as kiddle obviously, but like he's up there. He's really, really good. So I think people are underestimating Waller too. Thank you for correcting Yack to yards after the catch. You know that bothers me.

I know it bothers you. That's why I keep doing it. Also, Waller hasn't played, you know, as many snaps as every other player. Do you guys believe in that stuff? You know, like I know, you know, Steph Curry's having like an MVP season this year, and he's 33 years old, but people are like, oh, he literally didn't play. He played like four games last year with a hurt hand, so his legs got a year of rest. Do you believe that Waller is playing younger than he is?

Yeah, when it, I believe that stuff when it affirms me. my pre-existing beliefs, but not when it, you know, constricts them. I mean, I think there's maybe something to it. Like, the fact that you're not, you're not accumulating lower body injuries, like, in your early 20s, that's sure that. I mean, look at Curley. Like, those injuries add up, and they compound on each other.

So the fact that he hasn't had those is certainly a good thing. We should just reage players. Oh, he has the legs of a 29-year-old. Yeah, Darren Waller will be 29 September, but he's actually, he's a 27-year-old fantasy. You know those things on a playground where you can like spin and you can make like an animal out of like all these different parts? Mm-hmm. Like you can just, you can just spin players. You can just like assign all these different ages.

We could do our own injury-adjusted age metric. Darren Waller 29, parentheses 27. You're like Todd Gurley. Exactly. Todd Gurley's 32. I think this is funny though, but it just makes me think of Adam Levitton from Establish the Run. Always jokes about his proprietary age model, which is literally just someone's age. It's like they're old.

They're not going to get any younger. On the fantasy-related age scale, who's older? Todd Gurley or Frank Gore? Oh, geez. Same age? 32? Frank Gore still has some juice, man. I don't even know.

Frank Gore's career is maybe the all-time best dynasty career ever, right? I think Frank Gore has a chance of playing longer than Gurley. So earlier today, fan grads released their baseball projections, and the Orioles got 0.0% chance of like making the postseason. And like I'm curious, what are the chances you would give 10,000 simulations of Frank Gore out like playing longer than Todd Gurley? I think it's solid like 50%. 50%?

Are you fucking kidding me? He's like 38. Gurley essentially got benched this year. I mean, I know that Frank Gore is like 26. Frank Gore's 37. Is Gurley going to get another contract? from some Todd Gurley

is turning 27 in August He's a decade younger than Frank Gore. Is he going to sign a new contract? Sausies. Yes, he's not going to retire. This is a great take. It's not a take. This is a good take.

This is your belief? That's like, you saying it's not a take is even a spicier tape. No, I'm saying there's a chance that Gurley doesn't play football again. Is out of the league next year.

What? I don't think it's, I'm maybe not like the best. Maybe I wouldn't put odds on that necessarily. I wouldn't say that's the best odds, but like, there's a universe where that's possible. You're saying it's more possible than the Orioles, like, winning the World Series,

is what you're saying? I mean, what, Gurley got one year five million in Atlanta? Like, what's his next contract going to be? One year, one million for the Panthers? He will play football in the National Football League. The fact that Hythus is so sure about it makes me more confident that I'm right.

Am I like losing my mind? Like, he'll probably be in the league. He'll probably be in the league. But, I would give DK, I would give DK like 30 to one odds on this. You're saying TK. Talk really retires this year. Well, let's, hold on. Let me double check.

Gurley is a free agent, isn't he? Yes. Think about how many running backs are in the NFL. I guess 30 to one is like I should retract that immediately. I said, I took it. I already said I'll take it. Shit. Done.

Yeah, he's an unrestricted free agent. He just signed a one year five million contract, $5.5 million contract. There's a good. that he'll sign something significantly lower than that this year and play with the team. But I think there's also a solid chance that some other team just says, we're going to draft a guy. Oh my God.

We'll take a guy in the fifth round or whatever. Well, if I lose this, then I think that I'll just have to retire from the back. I don't have anything against Gurley. I'm just saying, like, did you watch him play in the second half of the year? They basically phased him out of the offense because he doesn't have his previous amount of juice. You see Frank Gore play? They have to, like, go into a pyramid. release him from his sarcophagus just to get him

on the freaking feet. I mean, I get that, but let's take Gore out of this. The question really is who is a girly going to play for next year, I guess? It's really what we're getting down to. A football team. That's been established. So, Hyphitz, if, so you have 30 to one odds here. If Todd Gurley doesn't play football next year,

your 666, Alvin Kamaradiel is multiplied by 30 and it becomes the 180, 180 way. So basically, that would be a serving of mac and cheese every day for I want to be clear, and I don't want people to construe this as me like slandering Gurley. I'm just saying this is the NFL. This is the reality of the NFL.

Running backs fall off a cliff. And Gurley could be at that point. I'm just saying. All right. This has been Danny Kelly on the rocking chair on the front porch. Get off my law. Get off my league. Todd Gurley.

That's DK. Okay. Get off my fantasy team. All right. We're going to get out of here. Hopefully I don't have to lose the 31 bet. Thank you, K. Thank you, Craig.

please thank you Todd Gurley, sign somewhere. Please do it for me. Don't do it for you. Do it for me. Thank you to everyone for listening. We'll be back next Wednesday. Oh, wait. And of course. How could I forget?

Thank you, Lauren. Lauren, off-season. Thank you, Blondie. Ooh. Oh, wow. No old school. Hard of glass. Nice.

See you guys on Wednesday.