The Ringer NFL Show - Jameis vs. Taysom Hill, Addicted to Indy, and Week 11 Bold Predictions

Episode Date: November 20, 2020

With Drew Brees out, we break down what the Jameis Winston and Taysom Hill–led Saints look like before offering up our gut calls and bold predictions for Week 11, looking back on our Week 10 predictions, building our million-dollar daily fantasy lineup, and opening up another case for Fantasy Court. Jameis vs. Taysom Hill (1:30) Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, Falcons (13:30) Damien Harris, Patriots (15:00) Demarcus Robinson, Chiefs (19:10) Austin Hooper, Browns (22:35) Jonathan Taylor, Colts (26:20) Michael Pittman, Colts (31:14) Alex Smith and Logan Thomas, Washington (32:55) Adam Thielen and Justin Jefferson, Vikings (36:23) Lamar Jackson, Ravens (38:35) Million-Dollar Lineup (47:40) Fantasy Court (53:10) Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, we talk about James Winston's return and Taysam Hill's takeover. Then we give out our gut calls and bold predictions for week 11, including our addiction to the Indianapolis cults, which is just sad at this point. Then we give our million dollar lineup and fantasy court on trolling the annoying guy in your group chat. Stick around.

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I'm here with Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck, and we are in mourning because Craig, Bay Area resident is morning Clay Thompson out for the season. Craig, how are you doing? I told you I didn't want to talk about this at the top of the show. I don't want to talk about play.

I feel bad. It's a terrible story. I'm a huge Warriors fan, and this sucks. Craig's been watching Clay Thompson videos last hour, he says. He's just in a memorial. He's like the most beloved player in the league. Sobbing. It does suck.

Has this ever happened before? Has somebody gone from ACL tear straight to Achilles tear? I don't know, but the fact that it happened, it didn't happen like three hours before the, Will Disley had like a couple terrible ones too, yeah. It's a terrible note to start on. Let's get happy. Let's talk about something fun, which is.

What, Drew Bree is having five broken ribs in a collapsed lung. Is that better? James Winston, baby. nothing's really as exciting. It's just James is running the Saints and the fact of like just him being in the same division and what the hell is he going to do with the ball? Is he actually capable of change?

There's like an element of human experiment here. LASIC. LASIC James. Yeah, the LASIC. I forgot about the LASIC. Oh my God. I can't believe I forgot he got LASIC. Honestly, I've completely changed everything I thought about it

because I forgot about that. The guy who threw 30 interceptions and 30 touchdowns in the same season maybe just couldn't see, which is like really amazing. So just like right out the gate How are we feeling about Jamie Wins here? Like do we are we just like saints are fun Like fantasy

Everything's gonna go up There's way more variance I'm starting everyone This is the best Or are we feeling kind of discouraged? I don't know anyone who's gotten lazy to you guys Is it does it work? Yeah it works

What do you mean does it work? So yeah I'm all in on James I don't know Some people get better like 2010 vision So there you go So I think no in all seriousness though I do think that This is also a good matchup for him

because, I mean, Michael Thomas hasn't had a good game yet this season, really, and the Falcons cornerbacks aren't awesome. I mean, I think, you know, they got the rookie A.J. Terrell, and then I just, he's been, like, up and down this season, but, I mean, Michael Thomas is a hell of a challenge, and the Falcons past these is just not great. It's been better with Rahim Morris since they fired Dan Quinn. But this is kind of a good matchup for James. Like, there's not a really great pass rush from Atlanta.

So, I don't know. I mean, he's getting the key. I mean, to leave the bucks and get the Saints is pretty amazing for him. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater went 5 and O. I mean, they're pretty different quarterbacks, but what do you think, D.K.? Does it feel like we're putting the cart before the horse here a little bit? Like, are we actually sure James is going to be the starter and be the main guy in this offense? Or is there any chance that Tate Hill starting?

So this is a good question. I have thoughts. What do you think? Peyton is playing, you know, he's playing coy or whatever and not telling anybody. I think it's going to be James, at least as the sort of de facto starter, sort of what they use, sorry how they use James or Breeze and Taysam, but maybe just like Tassum at a higher magnitude, maybe instead of playing 10 snaps,

he'll play like 15 or whatever, 20 maybe or something like that, and then James plays the rest. I completely agree. I completely agree. I think that here's the thing. The whole thing that Tason Hill is a Swiss Army knife, right? You can throw passes, he can catch passes, he can block, he can carry the ball, he can be your upback in a punt return,

he can make special teams tackles, all that jazz, right? It's a Swiss Army knife. You know what you don't do with the Swiss Army knife? cook. No one cuts steak with a Swiss Army knife. No one's sitting at dinner. Like, you don't, it's not your primary utensil. An alternate term for a Swiss army knife is a Jack of All Trade's Master of None, right? Yeah, exactly. It's not, you're not going to have him as the starting quarterback. And then there's also this idea that because he's new, he's young, he's freaking 30 years old. He's thrown 18 pass attempts in the NFL in the regular season. Like, he's not a

starting quarterback. The value of Tassim Hill is that when they show the look of in a game, of him taking one snap on third and three. The other team, the teams they're playing the rest of the season have to now practice for that. They have to spend a completely disproportionate amount of practice time focusing for these third down packages that the Saints have because they have to, it's so hard for defense as you're going through the season, you're preparing for quarterbacks. And then there's this guy on this team that might line up at quarterback or fullback or tight end or wide receiver. And you have to get four different position groups on the same page. how they're going to treat him. They can't even like acknowledge, like,

are you going to treat it as like the really basic questions the defenses have to answer? Are we treating the side of the line as balanced or unbalanced, which is the strong side, which is the weak side? He changes those questions. The utility of how he screws up, how the other teams prepare is as valuable

as on-field contributions. He doesn't need to be taking quarterback snaps to be annoying, but that doesn't necessarily have fantasy value. So I agree with D.K., he's not starting quarterback. I do think he's an interesting play a tight end if you've got him because I do think he's going to play more and he will get the ball

more as a skill player. Yeah. I have no idea if it will be a mount, but every tight end is a crapshoot, right? Like I might as well roll Taysam Hill. We're all guessing anyway. I feel like Tazim Hill gets eight touches and they're all not that great unless he gets like a sneaky. That's a lot of touches. Yeah, but how many tight ends get eight touches. We were talking three days ago about how tight ends getting four targets is rare. Yeah. Okay. All right. And that's my thing with Tayson. It's like, first of all, it is objectively. It is objectively. It is, more exciting dice roll than anything else you're going to, it's more exciting than picking up like Darren Fells on waivers. Let me ask you this, Hi Fitz, or Craig, are you willing to start

James in this game? Assuming that James starts, which I think we all assume he's going to, and it's the most logical play for the Saints. But is the Taysom Hill thing going to water his, water him down so much in terms of his volume that he's not worth starting? I'm absolutely starting. I'm starting him in our Ring and Fantasy League. Nice. Well, that's a two quarterback. You got him? I was trying to pick him up this one. I got it. I was not. Because Dale Jones is on vibe, Bridgewater's kind of banged up. Yeah, I was mad. James Winston was a quarterback five last year in points per game.

They're playing Atlanta. I mean, not a daunting matchup by any means. He's got great weapons. I want to do stock up, stock down for just everybody on the Saints this week with James and how you guys feel about them. I think Kamara, you could make two arguments. He gets leaned on more because they don't have Breeze. Or Drew Breed, the Checkdown King is gone,

so Kamara's not going to get as many touches. And Atlanta's actually been pretty good against him. the run. What do you think? I mean, I'm always, I'm always in, Kamara always. I don't like, I get that, but is he better or worse with Breeze than Winston? Probably slightly worse, honestly, just because, you know, Breeze is not like a checkdown machine necessarily, but he operates all within like 10 yards, right? And Camara gets a lot of that. What about Jared Cook? Jared Cook is a guy who kind of run. He runs deep routes for a tight end and Breezes and throw deep and Winston slings it. Jared Cook might be an underrated tight end this week. Yeah, I agree. I think,

I think, I think Cook, you know, maybe throw in, like, you know, is Trecon Smith even going to play? He had a concussion. I don't know. But, like, I think they're going to, if you look at the stats, like, of their careers, like, when, you know, when Breeze got hurt last year, they went to Teddy Bridgewater and basically did the same exact game plan. It was, like, all within 10 yards, like, really easy to find reads. Everything was really, like, low, low danger in terms of, like, the passing game. but that's not James Winston's game at all.

He's throughout his whole career he's always had like a really high A dot like an average depth of target. He pushes the ball past the sticks more than either like Drew Brees or Teddy Bridgewater. So it's gonna be totally different I think stylistically.

I do think that Peyton is probably gonna kind of try and rein him in obviously he doesn't want to have like a three interception game because that just screws up everything. Well that would be going down, downtrending for James just three. Right. Well that would be

like two max, let's try for. But yeah, I think that it changes their offense. So I think it's really fascinating and could open things up for Cook in particular. I think he's the kind of main guy. So, but this is the fundamental question of James. Was he reckless with the ball? Because Bruce Ariens, my favorite quote

about James from Bruce Ariens last year was he said that the highs are so high and the lows are so, like the highs are so high, like you think this kids can do anything and the lows are just lower than anyone ever. Do you think that that's the style of offense that the Bucks were playing with him? and that in a new situation he's capable of being Bridgewater,

because he's never been Bridgewater. They have nothing in common as players in their styles, their abilities, like they're almost opposite approaches to the game in terms of turnover, recklessness, all that game managing. Do you think Winston is actually going to be able to change his style of play? I would say,

who budges essentially is the question, right? Yeah. I feel like it's meeting in the middle. Like, I feel like the boring answer here, but the right one is going to be that he won't be any... The highs and high will not be as high. The lows will not be as low. There will be dumb mistakes.

None of the dumb mistakes we kind of secretly want to see. And it's kind of be like just really dulled on each edges. Like you mellow out as you get older, like we all do. Like, you know, eventually become boring and like washed. And I think that's what we're going to see. But he will be competent and it would start him in a two-quarterback league. But I wouldn't in a one quarterback league because I think that the difference between the Saints and the Bucks from when James was playing is the defense is he's just not going to have the game scripts to be slinging as much.

he's not going to need to throw 5,000 yards because he won't have the 30 picks. Yeah, I think you're right. I think he probably is like a 14 to 16 quarterback rank this year or this week. Yeah. Still exciting, though. Gun to your head, is Taysam Hill going to score a touchdown this weekend? I think his odds are equal to whoever you're thinking about streaming. So I would say, screw it.

The Taysam Hill at Tide End thing is actually very interesting. I would, if you, so there's the top, so there's Kelsey, in which case you're laughing and everyone for thinking about this. then there's like the next year of the Engram Noah Phant those guys where you're like okay they're solid and you'll play them and you'll roll the dice anyone after that like if you're thinking if you don't know what to do and you've got well I guess Jimmy Graham's good but if you got like the 8 to 12 range of tight ends and you're just like extremely uninspired and you're thinking about streaming someone I have I think Taysman also a really fun play

I'm more excited to start Tassam Hill than I like I've been starting freaking guys like Trey Burton and Mali Cox and like all these freaking random guys who could get out of the game who could get literally zero targets. If you look at Taysam Hill's last three games, it's 13, 9, and 2, and I'm like, that's as good as it's going to get for Tadena. Exactly.

I would play Taysam Hill. All right, you want to get to... Oh, no, I'm sorry. Speaking of Taysam Hill, can I read you guys some prop bets I found on him for this week? I want to know if you guys think. So Tassim Hill, over under one start. The one start is like paying out almost two to one, while the under one is paying out

like one to almost three. The start thing is so random, though, because how do they even, like, technically do that? Does that mean he just takes the first snap of a game? I think it does, which is interesting because you're like... Because here's the thing with that. Is he going to be the starting quarterback for the duration of the game? No.

Is there a chance they play them on the first play of the game? Yeah, and he just run some, like, the option? Like, that's interesting. Sure. I think the Panthers did that with Cam Newton once. They came out and he lined up as wide receiver first, and then he blocked one of the pancake the Giants cornerback, and I realized that we were screwed.

Anyway, it was like eight years ago. Tason Hill, Willie's over under receiving yards 12 and a half. I feel like that's a, I would bang that over. Yeah,

because he just has to get like one catch. Yeah, exactly. And he runs those like in breaking slant routes down the middle of the field. Yeah.

I think I would take that. The rushing yards is over under 27 and a half. I mean, I'm not taking that. I want the receiving yards 12 and a half. I would say, yeah, I would take the under on rushing yards

because again, his utility and the way that he's best utilized in this offense is short yard. right and goal line and every once in a while he'll run routes down the field i don't know how they're going to use him now but last year in particular he was getting first downs on third and short like at an absurd rate like a really good rate so um i think that's like where he's best utilized so i would say probably take the under on rushing but over on receiving beautiful okay well we'll just go set

to the pod we'll make some money all right let's do this is fun this is fun that's the that's the main line that's like the bottom line it's fantasy freaking football no one invented fantasy football to have Darren Fells in your team. It's for Tason Hill. Okay, like that's the freaking point. It's not all about winning sometimes. The gut, got bold. Who wants to go first? I want to go first. I have a Saints Bucks one, that's all. I mean, not Saints Bucks, Saints, Falcons. I'll defer to Craig. Let's do this. I think Ridley and Julio, I don't know how, you tell me if this is, it doesn't have to be

bold, right? This is gut. I think Ridley and Hulio are both top 15 wide receivers this week. Ooh. I guess like the only thing that's bold about this is that we don't know for sure if Ridley's going to be healthy. Right. And, uh, he's going to play. He's in like limited. He was like trying to play two weeks ago, but the dink and dunk saints are dead. I think James will go back. Why? We just had this whole conversation. Why are they dead? I think they're dead. It's James. It's James time. It's not going to be the same offense. So you think James is going to be James. There's an opportunity, one, for more turnovers, which puts the Falcons in a better situation, right? Something that Drewbies doesn't do a lot. Or James does start slinging it and they

put up a lot of points. I just think the game's probably more hectic and will be opportunistic, for the Falcons this week. Plus, like, Ridley and Julio have been, like, in and out of the lineup all year. They haven't had a million games playing together. The Falcons played the Saints twice last year, only once with Julio and Ridley playing.

They beat them in that game. I like the Falcons this week. I like both these guys. That's interesting. The Jamest thing is, like, do you think people can change or not? It's a fundamental question of humanity. Yeah, I know.

That's deep. Craig's like, no, people are the same. And I'm like, maybe I'm just too out for this. I think someone's quarterback tendencies are the same. You're not going to change James Winston. Maybe that's why I like the show House, because that was about whether people could change. Wow, there you go.

Unless they literally don't have any routes run past 10 yards, so he can't make the throw. Okay, I like this call. D.K., what's your gut call for the week? I'm a little bit worried I'm going to steal this from you, Hypatts, because you just love this guy, but I'm calling the Damien Harris game against Houston for the Patriots. I am jealous of this.

I don't have that, but I'm instantly jealous. I'm mad about Damien Harris, because I called him before August and then he went on IR and I feel like even if you followed my advice you probably cut him and are not benefiting from this, which I'm devastated. So I guess the only reason that this would be a sit-start decision

is because there's a chance that Sony Michelle comes off the IR and you know like fucks everything up as usual. No, he sucks. Here's the thing though, Hyphitz. He actually has looked pretty good this year. Like Sony? It goes against all the narratives. Yeah, Sony-Michel, until he got hurt

You know, it's like I'll see it when I believe it. That one I won't believe you if you even if I see it. That's fair. All right. So let me give you a few of the numbers here. The Texans are giving of 140 rushing yards per game to running backs. I saw this in Matthew Barry's love, hate call on this week. Teams facing Houston average 6.7 red zone carries per game, which is a league high.

Now, with the Patriots, you always have to worry about Cam Newton's stealing some of these red zone carries, which is just something you have to live with. But I could see Harris getting a few of those as well. He's gone over 100 yards in three of his last six games. I think the overall, just the Patriots game plan is going to be run to ball. That's basically what they're going to be able to do. And the Texans are not good against the run. So, you know, despite all the worries that you have with Patriots running back in the rotation there,

you got still have James White in the picture. You still have, you know, Rex Burkhead vulturing stuff. Now you potentially get Sonny Michelle vulturing stuff too. But I still, to me, this is just the gut call. Damien Harris is going to be the lead guy. It's going to get the majority of the work and he's going to look good. And I think he's going to get in the end zone this week. So I'm saying 12 plus half PPR.

I like that quite a bit. The paths are just better when they run the ball and their O line has been decent when running. And they just really match up well against that Houston D line. Well, their O'Rourn was kind of screwed up for a little bit. Like they had some injuries and I feel like they're a little bit healthier now. And then David Harris is also just great. It's just a really good running back. He's the fifth highest graded running back by PFF.

Nice. That matches the eye test, honestly. Like, he just looks like he has a, he has it. He just has the juice. Well, I guess what's the only worry in this game is that Houston gets to an early lead and then Damien Harris doesn't catch passes. I'm not worried about Romeo Crennell's Houston Texans taking an early lead. It's just tough to say that Crenel's going to outsmart Belichick.

You know this is the oldest coaching matchup in NFL history? Really? It's like the election. Oh, my God. Cunell is. It actually, holy shit, I didn't think of it that way, but it is like the election. Because Crenel is 73. I'm surprised Pete Carroll isn't involved in this.

Well, he would be if the, I mean, because he's the oldest coach, but Belichick's like, what, 18 months younger than Pete Carroll. But Crenel and Belichick are combined 141 years old. Holy. Is Crenel older than both P. and...

Roman Crenel's the oldest head coach ever. He's interim, so it depends on 100. But he's 78? Oh, 73. No, Biden's 78. But, yeah, so Romeo Crenel being in charge is just kind of funny, so I'm not worried about them taking an early lead.

On that note, though, I'm a little worried about Will Fuller. It's hard to bench him, but if you got them in your flex spot and you have good receivers, and you're thinking about benching him, I wouldn't feel stupid because I don't know, he had five touchdowns in a row in five consecutive games.

Except last week. Well, yeah, he didn't last week. Before last week. I'm saying they're going against Steve. I mean, Stefan Gilmore is obviously great's defensive play of the year. J.C. Jackson leads the league in interceptions. He's been playing great. So I'm a little worried about with Fuller.

Although, speaking of J.C. Jackson, you know the Patriots left him off the Pro Bowl roster? Like, it's up to the teams. And the lead doesn't decide who gets to be voted. The teams do. and J.C. Jackson leads the NFL and interceptions and the Patriots left him off

and also coincidentally, he's a restricted free agent at the end of the year. Did they? I hope they did. I feel like, yeah, I think after, I could be wrong,

but after all the public outrage, they put him on there, but, you know, we'll have to check on that. I think it's exactly what happened. Okay, anyways. But the point is J.C. Jackson's good at football and I'm worried about Will Fuller,

but I like Damien Harris running down the Texans in this game. Keep in mind, Gilmore is uncertain to play. Okay. My good call for the week. So we're recording this the Thursday afternoon and all Wednesday

as I was prepping, I just kept thinking more and more as I learned more about the Chiefs and the Chiefs are going to wipe the floor with the Raiders

on Sunday night football. The victory lap revenge game. Wipe them off the freaking floor. Because first of all, forget that the Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Raiders I know the Raiders

beat them in week five and then they did the victory lap around Arrowhead Stadium and apparently Andy Reid's pissed about this. He's mad they did the victory lap and John Gruden's like the bus driver

talk shit so we I don't know what happened. The point is Andy Reid's mad. Do you remember the last time Andy Reid got mad? Because I kind of don't. I'm excited for that. They have the bi-week so they've been stewing about it and it's their only loss of the season so they want to revenge it. They want to avenge it. They've owned the Raiders in like

every other game they've played. And honestly the Chiefs played kind of well but Travis Kelsey kept dropping stuff and he kind of took some responsibility. So for all these, there's so many reasons why. And then two hours after I've like made up my mind that the Chiefs are going to wipe the Raiders I just see this notification that like the entire Raiders starting defense are almost the entire defenses on the COVID-19 list.

So on top of everything that's going on, the Raiders not really having a pass rush and the Chiefs having all these weapons in two weeks and they're mad. The Raiders defense is not practicing for this game. They are facing the Chiefs coming off by week and extra motivated and they can't even practice against what they're going to do with Patrick Mahomes. That is like a worst case scenario. toss in that Andy Reid is 18 and 3 after a buy. Love it. Incredible. So for all those, now here's the problem.

I was like, well, what the hell? How do I help people with this? Because what am I going to do? Start Patrick Holmes. Start Travis Kelsey. Start Tyree Kill. Thanks. Yeah.

So I was like, I don't know to help people with this. But I think if you're ever on the fence about Clyde, but I guess my thought here is other than obviously play those people, I think I like them in DFS. If that helps, I would bet the chiefs. My real gut call here is like bet the chiefs, my, point spread. But I think you could get away with streaming DeMarcus Robinson

and maybe Michael Hardman if you're in a deeper league. I know that's not super helpful. What rando receiver for the Chiefs is just kidding for like two touchdowns? Do you like Levyon Bell? Robinson.

Honestly, actually that's not about, that's actually better than I was thinking. I would play Levin'embell in this game. Screw it. That's better than Robinson. So what is your gut prediction? Lev Bell. I like how you don't prepare for this.

this is week 11. Well, no, it's because well, no, it's, I could, you come in going, I think the Chiefs are going to beat the Raiders. I could cop out and say Patrick Holmes is the number one quarterback this week, but how does that help anyone? I agree. We know what this

episode is. So I think that, I think that my bold is, I think, DeMarcus Robinson is a top 30 receiver. Okay. But honestly, I would also throw in Levi-on-Bel might end up as a top 20 running back. I kind of like that one, too. Okay. This is, this is, yeah.

Hyphids, we're going to like punish you for not coming with something. So this is like a part of that one. You have to get both of these right. You're supposed to get both of these. Okay. Put me in take jail. Sorry, I don't go to take Tahoe like Craig. All right.

You guys got another good call? He goes, ooh, I came prepared with specific metrics to measure my predictions. I can't really talk because sometimes I forget to come, like, come with my benchmarks. But, um, so this Cleveland, Philly game is fascinating to me. And for whatever reason, reason, I want to bet on bounce back games from like the Cleveland receiving core, even though it's still, it's supposed to be rainy. So if you remember last week, it was like a hurricane in Cleveland and they, you lost me out I'm intrigued by this Eagles Browns game. Yeah,

it's weird. 47 degrees in rainy on Sunday. I'm extremely un intrigued by this game. Here's the reason though, like a lot of the reason nobody did anything in that game is because it was just such crappy weather that they Baker Mayfield had like 12 completions in the game and it was just they ran the ball for like 230 some yards I think in this game they're going to pass the ball a little bit more

and they're going to need to get rid of the ball quickly for Mayfield because they got that eagle's front that's going to put a lot of pressure on them I could see them doing a lot of like rollouts and bootlegs get Mayfield out of the pocket so to wrap it all together I think that Austin Hooper could have a good game

in this week because I think number one he's kind of that release option underneath for Mayfield to get rid of the ball, not just on, you know, quick game stuff, but like on those bootlegs and things like that. He was really quiet coming back from the appendectomy last week, but I think this week he could have, you know, the Browns could have a little bit more balanced approach. You know, 47 and rainy isn't like, you know, it's not really anything to like worry about too much, I don't think, in terms of the weather because this is like typical winter weather. So, yeah, five catches and 50 yards for us Hooper. Obviously, we're talking low bar for a lot of tight ends, but if you're looking for a streamer,

he's out there in like 40-something percent of league. So he's not necessarily like really commonly on the waiver wire, but he could be a guy that people dropped after he got the appendectomy a couple weeks ago. Honestly, you could tell me this is a bold call. You're saying a tight end not named Travis Kelsey or Darren Waller will catch a pass, which is like kind of putting your neck out there. Before he went down, Austin Hooper had three straight games of five catches. Not bad. Yeah, he was starting to really come on and, you know, show the reason that they signed him. I think you signed to the richest tight-end contract in NFL history at that point. Yeah. So I think they obviously want to use him and get him involved. And with the way that Mayfield's been throwing the ball, you know, he makes a lot

of sense. Just, Mayfield just hasn't been that good as, you know, as a pastor this year. He'll float the bill for Craig's middle school reunion. Okay. Yeah. I also wanted to say Jarvis Landry, but we said that last week and it didn't do it. I said it last week. Jarvis caught the first pass of the game and I was like, fuck yeah, Danny. You're so smart.

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All right, Craig, who's your gut call? You guys are going to hate me. I already do. Shit he didn't grin on his face right now. I think Jonathan Taylor will have double-digit fantasy. No, don't do it. Save him. No.

I feel like I'm like, you know that scene in Wolf of Wall Street when Leo and Jonah Hill are on the sinking yacht in the storm? Michael Daed. Dude, dude, it's flood his three feet of water down there. I will not die sober. Get those fucking loots. You're like, I won't die without Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, Leo's like, get the ludes. And Johnny Hill's like, dude, we can't go get it.

We're going to die. I'm not going down unless I have Jonathan Taylor playing. And that's not doing it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. I feel like you're telling, I feel like you're informing D.K.

and I, that you've made a terrible decision. And I'm just like, what did we do wrong? Like, how could we have helped you? So listen, listen, listen. Jordan Wilkins took a big step back.

He played the least snaps or the least touches or something last week. He was not the running back one that we like saw him be for like the last two weeks on indie. He like clearly took a step back. It was kind of like Heinz and Taylor. Obviously, Heinz was great. But like it was a big week for Heinz. It had some like he's been doing that the whole.

whole season, right? Indy coaches talk about this hot hand approach they have. All I'm saying is that they're playing the Packers who give up the third most points to fantasy running backs. They're going to want to control the ball, keep it out of Aaron Rogers' hands. If Jonathan Taylor can have like a strong first five touches, he can be the beneficiary of that hot hand approach. He's also still the Red Zone guy for the Colts. He leads the Colts running backs and carries inside the 10. I'm just saying. You sound like you're trying to pawn drug money. I'm just saying. This is one of those things where, like, he's in the burn book. We should be telling you to, like, quit doing this.

Like, you're just, you're beating yourself up. You're going to get burned again. If you look at the snap counts from the last few weeks, like, it's not crazy. I mean, he played 17 snaps and Wilkins played 14 snaps last week. And then Heinz, for whatever reason, it was just a hot hand. He played 39 snaps. But if you look at the games before that, 21 snaps for Taylor, 23 snaps for Heinz, 23 snap for Wilkins.

And then the week before that, 26 for Taylor. 16 for Heinz, 39 for Wilkins. It's so hard to predict. Join the cult, D.K. The thing I'll say about this, I was actually talking to someone about Jonathan Taylor last night, actually, and shout out James.

And I was, the thing about... Shout out James. Shout out James. Just James. All right. Yeah, just James. Is this someone that you know, or is this like a Twitter prison?

No, it's like someone I know. Okay. And the thing... We forget that, like, it only takes two games for Jonathan Taylor to be good, and we'll completely forget that he was bad. like our attention spans are so broken and I will say that this kind of stuff

does happen all the time where like someone's bad for half season then they're good or like oh I guess adjusting to the NFL as a rookie in the you know fucking 2020 was kind of hard and then it got good and like it was fine and I will say as much as I like to just be out on Jonathan Taylor

I see where you're coming from Craig maybe I was too harsh I want to so Colts fans tell me if I'm wrong I think I read something on Twitter the other day that basically said that the Colts script out the first X amount of plays, like 15 plays. And this is what Craig was getting at. If Taylor has a good first couple of series, he could end up just having a huge game. What I heard or read was that they script out the first few drives, you know, 15 plays or whatever it is. And then from there, the running back coach gets to sort of choose the personnel that he wants to use the rest of the game.

And this is why he's, you know, this running back. coach, you know, has whatever leaned on his veteran guys that he trusts a little bit more maybe in the last few games just because that's what you do. Like, when the bullets are flying, like, you go with a guy you trust, right? That's how this podcast work. The first 15 minutes are scripted

and then the bold stuff flying and I'm just like, oh, whoa, DK, slow down, man. You're benched. So maybe that, so I think that is partially why, you know, if that's true and Colts fans yell at me if it's untrue, but like that's maybe why we've seen Taylor have these, he's started games,

but then, like, completely disappeared as the game goes on. So, anyways, if... The point being, if he does start hot, like, he could end up just being, like, you know, 25 carries or whatever. It's just one of those things you just... It's very hard to predict. I do think Craig is crazy for... Craig, you're crazy, though.

I mean, this is exactly... Crazy for this one, Rick. This is exactly what we talked about when we put him into the book. Like, if us from a few weeks ago was listening to us now, we'd be telling us that we're crazy now. Also, Bill and Sal have the same problem with the cults. Like, everyone at the ringer's addictive. to Indianapolis cults. It's ridiculous.

We all have a Colts problem, the entire company. It's ridiculous. Speaking of that, I got a bold take on the Colts. Oh, Jesus. What is wrong with us? I feel like it's not really that bold. They have so much real estate in our heads. Half the Burn Book is the Colts. What the hell is going on?

Michael Pittman game against Green Bay. Okay. And the reason this gets the bold treatment rather than just like a gut call is what we just said. Like, basically everyone on the Colts is in the burn book at this point. I don't know why we keep going back to this well. He's the last unburned. We have a problem.

Don't they call Calisi the unburned in Game of Thrones? Yeah, the unburnt. That's what you're anointing Michael Pittman. Yes. He emerges from the smoldering ruins of the tent, you know, with a couple of dragons on his shoulders. He has, number one, like his usage and the variety of routes that he ran and it has run in the last few games, really broad. It seems like they're trying to make him a big focal point

in this offense. He's lining up outside. He's lying up in the slot. They even used him on an end-around type thing the other day or a suite. Maybe I can't remember exactly what it was. He picked up 20-something yards on it. With T.Y. Hilton just not being what he was in the past anymore. I think, you know, everything we heard in the preseason where they draft

this guy, they think he's like a stud. And he was really good in college. I just think he has a chance to be like the next rookie receiver that really, really impresses. He obviously was dealing with injuries earlier on in the season. So I'm going to say for the benchmark 15 plus half-p-p-R. But to me, the way that they're using him does not feel random at all.

I think they want to get him involved. He's an interesting playing style. I like this is bold. All right, Craig, what's your bold call? I'm going back to my trusty, tight-end quarterback 30-point combo. Back to the well. And I'm going Alex Smith and Logan Thomas, 30-plus half-fantasy point. this week versus the Cincinnati Burroughs.

Alex Smith, he's been pretty good. Cincinnati Burroughs. He's had over 300 yards in both his games back. And Logan Thomas is averaging six targets a game with Alex Smith. And since his defense is terrible, they've given up the fifth most points to quarterbacks. If they get down early, you know, if Burrow puts up some points, this could be a game

where they have to actually throw the ball a little bit. Could be another McKissick game. But since he also gives up the second most points of tight end, so it's a completely undaunting matchup for Logan Thomas and Alex Smith. And when we talk about the horrible drought in tight ends this year, no tight end has run more routes over the past two weeks than Logan Thomas. Mm-hmm. I think it's a good spot for them.

I actually don't mind Washington as a football team weirdly. Have you, what? Do you pay attention to football? Yeah, I like this. McLaren's been awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I guess this team's a little more likely.

I'm just, that was just my knee-jerk reaction of like 20 years of the Washington football team. Like, I don't mind them as a team. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, I don't know. I kind of like that. I mean, I don't think Alex is obviously anything crazy, but, like, Gibson's good, McKissick's. No, McLaren, their defense is really good.

They've, Gibson, McKissick, and McLaurin are spunky. Because, yeah. Biggissick's boring on paper, but he's, like, he actually a lot more juice than you'd think for someone who just catches seven catches for, like, 40 yards every game, and he's dumb for PPR, but he's fun to watch. And then the defense, next year, that's going to be, I think, the top three defense in the NFL,

because they're freaking five first-round picks. They'll have four after Carrigan goes. But, I mean, that's, Chase Young's been with a groin injury, but that team actually is going to be. very good very soon so they can add like some bit some better pieces or like a real quarterback sorry Alex Smith we

we appreciate you so hi fits did you I feel like you've only given one guy I was gonna say I haven't getting a gut call you sorry I was trying to Google and think about it because I came unprepared right you're like I think the Steelers gonna beat the Jags I got I got one for you high fits oh no I actually no I was kidding I actually have like five but what's the one you just thought of

well I'm just seeing on Twitter right now that DeAndre Swift is in the concussion protocol late in the week I'm not sure exactly what happened Oh. Yeah. It's Thursday, and he missed practice on Thursday today with a concussion. So it's looking unlikely he'll play. So that puts Adrian Peterson back in play.

And I would prefer Adrian Peterson to carry on, but I guess carry on is also back in the mix, too, here. What do you guys think about that? If Swift misses the game, I play AP. They clearly trust AP more with the ball. I would agree with that. I think it would be a pretty good play, actually. That's a bummer because Swift, man, he was just looking so good. Yeah, that's tough.

But yeah, so that's obviously a bit of breaking news. And, you know, I'm sure AP is probably out there. He's out there on a lot of waiver wires right now. There you go. My gut call, AP, top 20 running back of Swift Misses. There you go. Top 10. No, but my real gut call is actually, so I actually have a few.

I'm just going to throw it a few. I think Adam Theon is the fun. No, no, no, no, no. Follow the structure of the show. You get one gut and one bowl. You're not going to just going to throw out a few. I'm going to try it. All right, fine.

I think Adam Thiel and Justin are both top 20 receivers. Which is what they did last week, I believe, right? Yeah, I think they're going to do it again. I mean, I can lower that number if you think that's like Weenhan Jr. or whatever. But I mean, the Cowboys, so I keep talking with the Cowboys cornerbacks. This week, Chidobie Ouzier, he's back from injured reserve. But can you imagine your first game back for this dumpster fire Cowboys defense is like against Adam Thiel and Justin Jefferson? And then Anthony Brown's playing and he's been playing poorly.

And like, look, the Cowboys are coming off a buy. In theory, they could have fixed their defense. I don't think they fixed the defense. They're giving up 33 points per game. It's like the 10th worst mark in 50 years. I just have so little faith in Mike Nolan. More importantly, I think the players have little faith in Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys.

I just think Thielen Jefferson are going to have a pretty good game. So if you have any hesitations about Justin Jefferson in this game or Thielen for whatever reason, make sure to play them. Jefferson is like fifth in the league and receiving yards, and he's 30th in targets. Richard Sherman this week said he's playing like a five or six-year veteran, which is high praise for a rookie. That's pretty cool.

hear from Sherman. Sherman is like a student of the game. Yeah. Jefferson should be involved in the rookie of the year conversation. I think he's right. Honestly, if Herbert doesn't get to like five wins, and the Burrough doesn't get to five wins and Tua, we'll see how Tua does

and a half season, because I think quarterbacks do deserve more elite, like they're more important. Tua's not going to play enough games. That's the thing. I don't think so either. Yeah. But I think Bill said this on his Sunday pod. If Herbert and Burrow goes three and 13, can you give them rookie the year? No. I think No, I don't think so either.

I don't think so it's ridiculous. Like at some point you have to win the freaking games. But I think if it's not one of the quarterbacks, it has to be Jefferson. Who's even close? I think James Robinson deserves shine, but it's not more impressive. But they're another terrible team. Exactly. Like, I think it's just impressive he was undrafted, but at some point, like, it's just,

is Jeffer Jefferson's a word to win. Imagine Jefferson on a team with that, like, passes a lot. I know. Like, what would he be doing? He should have been drafted by the Packers. Oh, my God. Oh, damn. That would have been fun, yeah.

Okay, let's keep rolling here. Bold calls, or you guys did yours, and I'm, I'm, I'm scared and everything. Bold, holy shit. So I was going to do, I wanted it to do that, I think the Seahawks, Russ is back on track, but that's Thursday night football. So we'll see. By the time people hear this, they'll know. I know.

Well, I'm giving a bold call just to try to predict an exact score again. I think that the Seahawks score 38 points tonight, and maybe that's exactly completely wrong, but that's my bold call. But that doesn't help anyone, because that's in the past. So my bold call for the week is that. I think the Ravens' offense looks great against the Titans. I think Lamar Jackson's back, like, he's a top

like top three quarterback this quarter, not quarterback this week. I think if you have them, you'd play him. I think they get back on track. I think that it's a revenge game. And I also think X's and O's wise, like I think they match up well with the Titans. I think that this is real gut check time for Baltimore.

They already have more losses than they did last season. They play the Titans on Sunday. They play the Steelers on Thursday. Not to get all clichey. But this is their season. Like, you're going to find out what they're made of, and I think that they're going to respond really well to getting their asses handed them by the Patriots. So they just lost Nick Boyle,

who was like their big run blocking tight end. Do you think... Do you think Lamar's going to throw the ball a bit more? I think they're going to... I think you know what, I'm not going to lie. I don't... I want to pretend to know exactly what they're going to do because part of the criticism of them

has been that they're too predictable. So I think that... I think that amid chaos is like there's opportunity. I think that losing Nick Boyle is going to allow them to do some more creative stuff in a weird way. kind of like how the Giants lost Sequin and the offense opened up. And I'm not trying to say that they're better without them.

It's not like a thing theory or something. But I do think that sometimes being forced out of your comfort zone can help. And I think that the Ravens – the Titans Defens is bad. Like, that's a huge part of this. Like they don't have pass rush. That's very helpful. They're not as well coached as the Patriots. Their special teams is bad.

So I think the Ravens play really well. I think Lamar bounces back. I like it. So are you starting Marquis Brown? So not that. Okay. No, no, no, that's not what I said. Can I ask you?

But I would play Mark Andrews. I mean, obviously, but at this point, would you start Sneed over Brown? No, because, like, the upside isn't there. Because, like, really Sneed is just less likely to have the 70-yard touchdown. But, like, if you put on him ahead, you're like, who's going to score more play. That's what we're calling him now. We're calling him Hollywood Sneed and Baker-Sield Brown. We should just give Hollywood to whoever's playing the best on the ratings.

If you're playing the game of, like, who scores more points, like, and, you know, Marquis gets three and Sneed gets six, we need wins, but, like, that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of fantasy. Like, you're trying to win a matchup. You need more than, like, the two-point difference. So I rather play Marquis Brown, but at this point, he's got to do something. You have to see some life. I mean, I like the matchup this week, but I'd rather have Mark Andrews than Marquis Brown.

This is a bummer for me, but yeah, I agree. All right. Should we, or let's just quickly recap last week? Yeah, with an emphasis on quickly. Weird week in general. Talk about a week when you look at, like, your league. matchups in every single score is in the red

Mercury was in retrograde other things are there reasons we can like toss up to this performance where we don't have to take accountability yeah

it was just weird I don't know like I just you know my coffee machine was weird just blame it on the pandemic honestly yeah it was

yeah it was 2020 like it's just you know you know it's just you know no this is really bad so DK how no one played well last week

I want to say there was not a lot on Monday we went through like the top scores it was just a weird week yeah the Rams, I said the Rams would have two top 20 receivers. They had one, and it was Josh Reynolds.

I mean, I thought Josh Reynolds was actually a good streamer, so actually, I'm spiritually, I think that was kind of right. But sure, sure. I think that the thing that I took away from that, the thing that solidified in my mind with it as the Rams are so much even more committed to running the ball than they even were when they had Todd Gurley and that you can kind of get lost in that sometimes because of Jared Goff and like the offense, but they're the number one rushing team in DVOA.

They're league average in passing. And I think that that's really interesting. So I think amid the rotating head of Malcolm Brown and Daryl Henderson and Cam Acres every now and then, they're the number one rushing team in DVA. So I thought that was interesting. And then J.K. Dobbins, holy crap, the Ravens got rid of him. He failed assault, heif. It wasn't just you.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, Jesus. Running back 15. At this point, like, Dobbins is on the fringe of dropable. Yeah. Yeah. Which sucks because he's so good, but, man, I just love that three-headed monster. And then Jarvis Landry, we discussed he didn't have a good game.

Dekah, how'd you do? So I had Jared Gough. I was kind of in the same boat as you, Jared Gough against the Seahawks. I said 25 points. He got 10.4. Vaughn into the windup in his first offering. Just a bit outside. He tried the corner and missed.

So that didn't work out. I will say, though, he had a decent game passing. He was 27 to 37 to 302 yards. He just didn't get into the end zone. They had three rushing touchdowns. So the defense for the, the interesting about God, and I think part of the issue with Robert Woods this season in Cooper Cup and we love Bobby Trees

part of the issue is their defense is too good for fantasy because they're the best second half defense in the NFL they have they've outscored their opponents more than any team in the second half their defense is not allowed to touchdown in the second half since week three since we and since that Bill's game

you know how many points they've allowed in the second half nine three field goals in the last five weeks in the second half they made Russell look like he was a rookie. It was crazy. I think the Seahawks has scored four touchdowns on every game they played the season. And then they played the Rams and scored one.

So it's like part of the reason that the Rams were such a good fantasy force is that the Rams were racked up points. But the defense is so good now with Brandon Staley coordinating it. They're just running the ball to kill the clock the entire second half. They haven't really had a good game script for passing in like two months. So that's part of the issue. But it's not an excuse. It's something to keep in mind as we're going forward of like they're probably not passing

that much, which I think is interesting. it's something to keep an eye out for for the Bucks game because Brady struggles when they apply pressure and if the Bucks can do that Not to mention that The Bucks are the other best second half team in the NFL Defensively? Those two teams have outscored not defensively

But who has outscored their opponents the most in the second half Rams are one bucks or two And that's about coaching right That's about halftime adjustments And Brady's a quarterback coach basically Anyways A couple other ones that I missed on Dallas Goddard breakout game did not happen

He ended up with 5.3 points Yeah, so waiting on that Still waiting on it. And then my bold take was the Troy Main Pope game, which he got zero touches. So that was bad. And I apologize to anybody who followed that advice. I will say, I did not expect them to,

I did not expect, and this was sort of my prediction. I never expected them to go back to Kalin Palage at the level, the magnitude that they did. Like, Balage is now their starter, according to Anthony Lynn, which is I kind of, to me, I was just expecting Anthony Lynn to go with,

the veteran guy that produced really well the game before, but they stuck with Blodd. So yeah, I was wrong on that. Craig, did you say never trust the Pope? Yeah. I'm Jewish, but I think that's extreme. I don't know. Check the history books.

It's not great. So my calls for last week, they were a bit closer in spirit than your guys, but still not great. I said Tyler Boyd would have seven plus catches. He had six, but still didn't have a great game. It's fine. I said Jalen Rager would have

over 75 yards. He had 47 yards. Those numbers are very close, though. It's like a seven and a four instead of a seven and a five. And then my one hit was my bold. I said Dalvin Cook would not be a top 15 running back and he was the running back 16. You were sweating it too. It looked really good in the first half. And then they just, he got like 35 touches. They kept giving him the damn ball. You know what's hilarious about that is that was the Monday Night Football game with Kirk Cousins where he like got his first win a Monday night football. Yeah. And so he like went, he was 0 for 9. And you know what's funny. If you didn't hit that, we would have gone 0 for

9 on the week. Oh my God, you're right. We're Kirk Cousins for the week 10. Yeah, but we get three points for the bowl, don't remember. So, you know, yeah, the money ball. Yeah, money ball hit. Million dollar lineup time. Yeah, we made up the money here. All right, every Friday, we're going to make Fandul DFS lineup. We're playing for a million

dollars, a million dollars first place, but there's like 700, 700,000 entries, so we kind of have to, you know, kind of has to look a little weird. But we're trying to make a million dollars a week here. The year I turn 26 is the head of my own brokerage firm, I made $49 million, which really pissed me off because it was three shy of a million a week. Did we win a million last week? So.

If it's fucked up the entry again. No, no, no, I got it and right. I got it and right. It just occurs me. I actually forgot to check until right now. I assume not. I feel like I would have heard about it. You probably would have.

The Browns Texans. Do they send you an email if you win a million dollars? Let me look this up. I actually didn't check. It is possible. No, we definitely did not. I looked at our team. Our team was ass.

We had the Browns Texans game. We like went way too hard on it. Never give up hope. You don't know. Let me double check. Landry, Hooper, Fuller all killed us. There's no way. We came in 337,000th place.

All right. So we were kind of dead middle. Yeah, we're in the upper, we're in like the up with the 65th percentile. Okay. I'll still never forgive you for the time that Hafeith sent to our Slack channel. during the day a screenshot

that said we were in first place. And it was like the day that the Fandul like messed up like the servers were down or whatever so everyone was in the first place. I was like I had a heart attack.

I'll never forgive me for that. But you like participation trophies. God. That piss me off. Okay, who are we doing this week? Craig, you're the maestro of this lineup this week. So take us on a tour.

All right, we're starting off with LJ. No one calls him that. But Lamar Jackson playing. playing Tennessee. So I do want to ask you guys, though, DeAndre Swift, we have penciled in here,

but are we worried should he be swapped out for somebody else? So if we removed DeAndre Swift, the people that are available for his price or less, we have Kareem Hunt, Todd Gurley, Antonio Gibson, Melvin Gordon, Naim Hines, Damien Harris, Jonathan Taylor. Any of those jumping out? Let's go Taylor.

Let's just do Taylor. We're already in some deep. We might as well go all the way. Why that? That's going to give us a lot of money to work with, though. Honestly, like, whatever. Fuck it. If he scores three touchdowns,

I want to be on the right side of that odd bit of history. After that, we're going for McCaffrey's backup Mike Davis. McCaffrey's out another week with a shoulder injury. Then we're going with DJ Deontay Johnson playing Jacksonville. No one calls him that. No one calls him that either. Then we're going with, we were going with Terry McLaurin. I feel like we haven't figured out his nickname.

We had a lot of email entries. A lot of people are saying it's scary Terry. there's other people that say it's McLauran F1 and then Matthew Barry is insisting it's Terry McScoran that's bad too none of them are good nicknames How about the Big Mac?

He's kind of small He's not a big guy Eachie Brown's big guy Yeah but that's like calling a big guy tiny No but he's not tiny enough to be known For being tiny You have to call big guys Get called tiny when they're huge

You can't call a slightly above average person Sometimes nicknames don't make sense buddy Just go with it Yeah we call you DK the bat man, you're not Batman. Dark Knight. I disagree. Well, the whole point is no one knows who Batman is, so he very well could be better. Yeah, right? Big Mac.

Dick and fight fantasy crimes. All right. Are the receivers Mike Pitt, aka Michael Pittman Jr. Going up against the Supreme Day this week. D.K.'s, boy, yeah, the Pitmaster, grilling up some fantasy points. Oh, I watched the chef's table on the barbecue season, and it's all about the pit masters. Oh, my God, it's so cool.

The Rodney Scott episode, I've been to Ronnie Scots, by the way, it's amazing. Dude, I recently spent some time in Austin, and like the barbecue in Austin's unbelievable, and I got into this barbecue culture and seeing the barbecue. The first episode is about this 80-year-old woman who just spends all her Saturdays just doing the hot coal thing. Oh, chef's table. M-a. Chef's Kiss the Chef's Table.

Sorry, Michael Pittman, is that how he got on that? Yeah, we're going really off track here. My God, sorry. That's my bad. It's Friday. How do you get a nickname for Mark Andrews? I know. I was just going to say like my freshman geography teacher, Mark Andrews. Did you take geography as a class? What did you learn? I feel like people who take geography

get really upset if you question like, what do you study maps? I did. It was one of those like G.E. I took geography in college for one class. I remember. Fun fact, maps or about power? Interesting study. Okay. Mark Andrews is a tight end. James Conner is the flex. James Conner is a flex. And then our defense is... Because we just love getting burned. If James... For the record, if James Connor shit's the bed this week,

I'm going to burn him. Yeah, this is a last-ditch effort for James Connor going up against Jacksonville. And Jonathan Taylor. This whole lineup is like us going in on the Colts. Wait a minute. If we have Jonathan Taylor in there, how much money left over do we have?

$1,200. This is what I'm telling you guys. Who do we want to switch? All right, let's see. We get rid of James Connor in our flex. This is like when you erase an answer and a scantron and then you fill out a new one and then that was the right answer.

You can, High Fitz, we'll do both. We can do two. Oh, yeah, right. We can do two lineups this week, yeah. We can have Derek Henry, Aaron Jones, Michael Thomas, Nick Chubb, Julio, Keenan. Keenan against the Jets? Let's do Keenan against the Jets. Yeah.

That sounds great. That sounds fantastic. And then our defense is Cleveland in a rainy game against Carson Wentz. I'm not even sure Carson Wentz is a professional football player anymore. We'll see. We'll see. Wow. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, I like these. I like this and these lineups. All right. Let's get to fantasy court. All right. First, before we get to fantasy court, though, I do, we do have a reader email follow up on the Drew Bledso Fun Fact, where that Drew Bledso's business partner was also named Josh McDaniels, like

Tom Brady's golf and sequo, but they're different people. So someone emailed, Derek emailed us back to say, just wanted to follow up on the Drew Bledso Fun Fact. My name is Derek, and I live and work in Walla, Walla, Washington in the wine industry. In fact, my boss, Charles. Smith sold the property to Drew Bledso on which he built doubleback winery. I work in the K. Vintner's tasting room and last summer, none other than Josh McDaniels, the winemaker business partner guy, came in to taste our wines.

First of all, another verification of your fun fact. Second of all, I couldn't help but ask if he knew the correlation between his name and the Patriots offensive coordinator. This may seem hard to believe because he works directly with Drew Bledso. But that nugget of information that they shared the same name had never. come up before. So he did a quick Google search of Josh McDaniels, the coordinator, and his mind was effectively blown. I just want to let you know that one of your listeners was the guy who introduced Josh McDaniels to Josh McDaniels. That's incredible. I can't believe a listener has

that insight. That's wild. Wild. Also, D.K., there's a place in Washington called Walla Walla. Yeah. What's going on there? A lot of winemaking is what's going on there. What a name. Thank you, Derek, for the... That blew my mind. Okay, Josh McDaniels times Josh McDaniels. All right, fantasy court. All right, this is from Drew. High Ringer Fantasy Team.

My college buddy fantasy league chat was up in arms this week, over two trades made by a couple of owners to troll one of the other owners. I should stay up front. The trade had no considerable impact on the outcomes, but the spirit was questionable. A little backstory. The owner being trolled is always the first to gloat when his team has success, and it's usually related to dumb luck more than anything.

about skill. For example, he started the year 6 and 0 while being the bottom three of points scored, but still changed his name to, quote, the one seed. Because of this, the entire league has turned to dunking on this guy, which led to this week's argument. The one seed,

that's my favorite new thing. One seed had been attempting to acquire Wayne Galman through a trade with one of the owners in question, but seemed to continually send some low ball offers. As a result, right before the one, there's a one seed move right there.

Yeah, it is. It's a classic one seed. As a result, right before the week 10, Slay kicked off the Wayne Galman owner, traded Galman for Josh Kelly to a different owner as a troll to the one seed, harmless enough as the owner who received Galman despite his performance to lost.

Here's where things get testy. On Tuesday morning, the two owners who made the trade Sunday made the same trade in reverse, again, as a clear troll. the kickers the one seed plays the owner who trolled him this week however golden is on a buy so the result is harmless but in the group chat the two owners admitted to this being the plan all along which breaks the spirit of trading good faith even if it was a harmless joke so esteemed

members of the high fantasy court we need your help should there be a punishment for this misdemeanor collusion and if so what do you suggest the punishment should be thank you it's funny collusion Fillusion. Is it collusion? Because I don't know if this is collusion. Because it's not like a trade was going to be made to that one seed guy, but then it wasn't because of this other. Like two guys just made a trade.

I mean, how is that collusion? Because you trade it right back. That's weird. But unless there was an already agreed upon trade for Wayne Galman to this one seed guy, and then they were about to go through with it. And then someone's like, you know what? Let's screw with them and make this other trade. I don't think this is collusion.

I think this is just kind of like, fun tomfoolery. So here's the thing. Conclusion, it can get caught up in technicality. The real, the better test is always

like good faith, right? Bad faith, good faith. Bad faith is like I bought someone like beers and like they gave me their best player or like

I owed them rent money and something late. And I'm like, I'll just trade you this because I don't care. I'm in the last place. The test of faith like here's the thing.

Good faith doesn't just have to be about I think this person's going to be better or worse. Good faith is about the broader idea of are you, are you a person? participating in your fantasy football league,

are you upholding the spirit of the game? And if you're shit-talking and you're fucking with the person in first place is annoying everyone else, that's absolutely holding up the spirit of the game. The whole point of fantasy football is to shit-talk your friends. Yeah, I got no problem with this. This is hilarious, and it made everyone laugh.

That's good faith. It's great faith. Yeah, they're both admitting that it is collusion. I know, but it was so funny that they kind of get away with it. I think it's like, you know, it's like you're in a bad situation. You tell a good joke. You can kind of, you know,

like this is just, I think it's... The way he said it was right, it's a misdemeanor collusion. I don't, slap on the wrist. I don't think there's anything that should be done here.

This is funny. It's just funny. You've impressed... This is like, you kind of got an offender better, but you move it down to like a, like a parking ticket. You're like,

no, that was hilarious, dude. Like, that was so worth it. Take away 10% of their fab in college of day. No, there's no punishment. We waived the parking fee. Like, there's no, I got no issue with this.

You waived the parking fee. I think the verdict here is not guilty. I think this was absolutely hilarious. And you should mess with the people in first place as often as possible. Or at least the person shit talking to group chat. Yeah, well done. Case dismissed. That's it.

Bring in the dancing lobsters. That's all we got. Bringing the dancing lobsters. T.K., do you get that joke? Yeah, yeah. Is that from SpongeBob? No, you'll never get this one. So you've been erased from the cultural memory called the Amanda Bind Show, which is...

I believe it was actually just called. the Amanda Show. The Amanda Show. I don't even know how to explain that to you. It was like S&L. Yeah. Oh yeah. We just, that's exactly what it was. Okay. Anyway, bring in the dancing lobster. I guess it is describable. There you go. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you Amanda Binds. Lord. Thank you, Lorne. Thanks Jay-Z. We'll see you guys on Monday.