The Ringer NFL Show - Lions-Ravens Reaction, and Week 4 Waivers

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphen. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Boroughbock, and we are going over. Waivers after week three, entering week four. We're going to go through all the players you need to add. First, we're actually going to hit Ravens Lines,

which just happened. We're going to go through that because honestly, if Bill's Ravens Week 1 was the best game of the year, that was the second best game of the year. That was unbelievable. And then, yeah, we're not just a bit of housekeeping of top. We're not going to have a Monday episode next week. We're going to do waivers at the back of our Sunday episode,

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We're going to get to waivers in a bit. I won't be offended if you just need to pick up players off waivers. If you want to just skip hat, I won't be offended. but we're going to go over Lions Ravens right now. The Lions went to Baltimore and beat Baltimore. It was 38 to 30. It was just ended. It's 38 to 30 at the end because the shenanigans with the two-point conversion.

But, I mean, I really do think that's the second best game of the year. I don't want to just be romantic off the dome, but like Mahomes, I think maybe was more magical at other points in his career and maybe Josh Allen, Josh Allen's just maybe the most talented player. But I keep coming back every time watch this Lions teams is something Danny Kelly identified two years ago, which is the Detroit Lions are the most fun team I've ever seen. They are the most aesthetically pleasing offense to watch from like a point of it. It feels like a symphony when they're on offense because it's all play action. Everybody's working together. The wide receivers are blocking downfield, which is a huge part of their win that this week.

There's like so many runs where you're just, if you watch the receiver, they're all bought in and all blocking their asses off at the right time and stealing off guys, helping to create these big runs. Yeah, it's just super fun to watch. And Jared Goff, honestly, for being kind of a slow guy is pretty aesthetically pleasing to watch because he's really accurate and he's not afraid to throw the ball down the field.

No, when golf is protected, he's out there. In general, the lions, they're like the prime San Antonio Spurs. It's just like ball movement. Anybody can make a play.

Such a team. it's such a team and you combine that honestly with Dan Campbell's psychopathness of just like it's fourth and one they're on the 50 there's three minutes left in the game and you're like fuck it we're going to go for it fourth and two I think it was and actually

we're not even going to run the ball even though we've been running the ball the whole night we're going to throw like a deep fade a deep post to to manage it only yeah I'm so glad you brought up camp I mean the game there's so many things you can take from this game but if you had to describe what happened in a sentence the Lions went for it on fourth down

three times got all three and then scored a touchdown each time. And then the Ravens just couldn't do that. Dude, fourth and two running a corner to a Monra to seal the game. It's pretty sick. It's just awesome. Dan Campbell is so consistent to who they are. They've been this team the whole time where they're,

I remember honestly, the Lions are the only team I've covered that make me wish I had played football longer. Like I wish I could have played football for Dan Campbell. I remember like JV hearing Marko, be like, if we can't get a yard when we need it, we don't deserve to win the game. And I remember thinking, that sounds super right. And, like, Dan Campbell's the only guy who coaches like my fucking JV football coach.

And I just, like, but going down the line here, like, I mean, like the fear seeps into all these other people. And Dan Campbell's like, we're just going to go win the fucking game every time. And he doesn't overthink it. He's like, I don't know. I was going to say the worries that we had about Dan, sorry, about Ben Johnson leaving over the offseason seems so quaint now. So it's like they didn't, it turns out they didn't,

It turns out they didn't throw away the playbook. I think this game, if you rewatched it or whatever years later, you would forget that Ben Johnson was not the offensive coordinator. Like, you would never have known if you had just turned on this game that he had left. They still had all the misdirection plays. Obviously, the play action was huge in this game. They did not turn the ball over. This is from next gen stats.

Zero turnovers, zero sacks. They made the optimal decision on every fourth down. They only missed four tackles on defense. and then alternatively, the Ravens missed 20 tackles on defense. And Lamar got sacked seven times. I think as good as the lions were on offense, I think they were just as good on defense. Aiden Hutchinson is everywhere.

Dude, if you look at the statute, it was so Lamar at 300 yards and three touchdowns, I don't think Lamar had a good game. He was sacked seven times. It was tied for the most of his career. Derek Henry had one good run in the first quarter to score touchdown. After that, he was completely bottled up. They couldn't run the ball,

which means they couldn't really pass the ball. nobody was open. I can't believe. It's honestly bizarre to watch Lamar get sacked so many times. It's almost hard to like understand that somebody is athletic and mobile as him is able to be sacked seven times. It was a phenomenal defensive performance. Did you ever think you'd see a game where Lamar Jackson got sacked seven times?

Jared Gough didn't get sacked once. I mean, that was pretty incredible. It was unbelievable by Detroit's defense. I would argue just as impressive as what the offense did. Yeah, I was going to defend Lamar a little bit. I thought he had a pretty good game. He made some pretty incredible throws. He did. I thought, yeah, but I would not say it was one of his better games.

I don't think the sacks were on him. The bar is high for Lamar. I don't think the sacks were on Lamar for the most part. There's always one of you can point. I mean, I think. No, I agree with that. It was more the Lions limited Lamar defensively. I'm more complimenting what the Lions had defensively.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was very solid to make good throws. But like, I more meant the stat sheet where if you just log on right now and check the box score, you're like, oh my God, Lamar shredded and was great. And you're like, well, that's kind of half true. Like, he made some good throws and stuff like that. But the Lions. weirdly bottled him up for how many stats he had in this.

They just tackled him three times in a row to end one drive. And I just think everyone made the same joke where it was like, I'd never seen Lamar Jackson hit by, like maybe ran out of bounds, but I've never seen him hit, tackled three times in a row. Like that was weird. But I just think overall the seven sacks indicated more.

The Lions were just covering him really well. Like the Lions had a spy on Lamar. Yeah, and then still covered downfield a lot. And it was kind of weird how frequently they had committed a spy to Lamar, who won. The spy was able to bottle them up. And that takes discipline. This is what they always talk about with Mahomes, but it really matters more for Lamar

where everyone has to work in tandem. No one can be a hero. Like you're trying to herd Lamar. But then you're still covering downfield long enough. And like, they did that a lot. That in tandem with Derek Henry with the ultimate, like,

now the tuxitos seem kind of fucked up fumble of like, all right, the week one thing, that's awful. Wow, what a horrible way to lose a game. Week one, the bills. Like, you'll carry that with him all season. Then he fumbles again versus the Browns. And then the Ravens are three and out if Derek Henry doesn't fumble. Yes. And so

Derek Kennedy fumbles again in this game. And the lions only get the three points from it, but it was absolutely the turning point in the game. And Derek Coney crashed out, as the kids would say, but like he smashes out. Literally. Yeah, because that matches helmet fell on the bench. I remember thinking if someone is good as something as Derek Henry can be at football being

so mad. I remember thinking, like, I actually felt a little bit better about my own life watching that. It's funny because at the beginning of the game, this felt like it was going to be a 500-yard game from Derek Henry. Like he started out just steamrolling dudes. He had like that big rushing touchdown. I think it was on a third down. He probably had 15 rushing yards after that.

Can I give you a fun fact? After that first drive, how many first downs do you think the Ravens would have ran for in this game? Do I think they would have ran for? Yeah, you would have guessed like 30. Right. The Ravens ran for four first downs of this game. Yeah, they completely bottled Derek Henry. I looked it up.

Their situational football was pretty atrocious in this game. I agree. Like, they couldn't run for that my first time. I think the Lamar. They botched a couple red zone possessions. Yeah, it was like really ugly. The Ravens, I have to say, miss some kicks. There's almost like, no, he actually made the kick.

Sorry. Which, by that, he missed the kick. We got to talk about that. We got to talk about that. What order do we take these things? That did not go through the upright. Let's do the field goal thing. And then I want to come back to what D.

is saying because it's important and I think it connects to the Ravens overall. Don't let me forget that with the goal line stuff. But the kick, the rule is, again, because the NFL, I guess, is too cheap to make the uprights taller. So the rule is... We don't have the technology. They don't feel... Shoot a beam of light into the sky.

It's not reviewable. Here's an idea. Yeah, as if we don't have the technology when they're just like, look, we put chips with the ball. The rule is inside the entire ball has to be inside the outside of the upright. The entire ball. The entire ball. Now, one, that's one of those sentences you have to say like three times to understand what that means.

The ball is to be inside, entirely inside the outside of the upright. How the fuck does that make sense? That means it hit the fucking upright. Yeah. How does that make sense? So that's like the definition of a doink hitting the inside of the out. The entire ball hit the inside of the outside of the upright is fucking hitting the upright. If it was taller, it wouldn't go in.

How is that by definition of field goal? insane. Anyway. I don't understand how when you watch tennis, the second the ball goes out of bounds, the tennis player can be like, can I get a check on that? And we get like 19 cameras,

zoom in and see exactly where the tennis ball hit on the court. And yet we just are kind of winging it with feels like, you got some like 70 year old guy looking up. He's like, uh, got that went in. Eyeballed it. They're like,

can we review it? Nope. You know, you know how much your eyes deteriorate as you get older, guys? You gotta go get check for fucking glaucoma and stuff. Let me tell you something. that ball did not go through the

No, it's insane. I will say the first angle that it showed on the live broadcast, it looked like it missed wide by about two feet and they called it right. And I would say the second angle they showed after the commercials,

I was like, oh, that looked like it went in. But I don't, but it's like if it's an angle thing, it's kind of weird. I don't think I ever appreciated, though, until tonight that the rule doesn't make any sense. That's not what it means

to go through the uprights. That's hitting the upright. I think Haifett says one rule rant like once a week. I don't know. You hate the rules. You know what I mean? Inside the outside of the upright. That's just hitting the fucking upright.

Anyway, that doesn't matter. If you just reduce it down to this, when you watched it, did you say to yourself that went in or that missed? That's it. That's all there is. Anyway, but I will. But the Ravens, here's the thing, though. They lost by eight, so the field goal doesn't matter. This will matter one day.

But I want to get to act to Dick's point about the Ravens' galaxy brain in the red zone. And I don't want to be all metaphor, but to me, it's hard for me to my brain to not connect the constant theme of the Lamar Jackson era Ravens being incredible in the regular season and then kind of failing in the playoffs with honestly, Ravens, if you look at the regular season as between the 20s and then the Red Zone being the playoffs, the Ravens have a bizarre ability to get in the Red Zone and then they just Galaxy Brain. Troy Aitman nailed what happened on the first Red Zone drive with the Ravens where they just got to the one yard line and then.

decided to go quick cuddle four times. And Troy Eichmann's like, they're doing this because they think it gives them an advantage, but it kind of screws at the offensive lineman. And Nick Baumgarter at the athletic made a great point. The Lions defense practices against quick snap every day because Ben Johnson loved it for four years. And so the Ravens just like quick snap themselves out of, and then Lamar fumbles on the goal line and they lose the ball 20 yards back. Then they go back to the goal line.

And what was the grand play they had? It was Derek Henry throwing a pass. but like, which is awesome when it works, but like the lines are the trick play people. Derek Henry, they used to have him do the Tebow where he like runs straight against a halfback, like an HB dive, and then he kind of jumps and flips it over the line.

They had him rolling out like Ledani and Tomlinson. If Derek Henry had just turned and thrown to the wide open Lamar Jackson, we'd be like, wow, how brilliant. I get that. I'm just saying there is something to the fact that, and the other one with Lamar, they ended up getting back, backward, backward, and they ended up converting,

a third and very long in goal to Lamarck Andrews. But like the Ravens somehow have the best backfield I've like ever seen with Lamar Jackson and Derek Kennedy together. And then the moment they have to get like one yard, it's so complicated for them. And then you watch the Lions and they just run duo and it's like every time they need a yard, David Montgomery runs for fucking David Montgomery looks like fucking fucking best. Most yards of his career. Best game is a hundred and fifty two yards.

Yeah. I mean, it felt like the Lions average 10 yards of carry. Derek Henry is like the weirdest player in the league. I swear to God, if it's fourth and one, I think I would take him like 15 out of running back. He has a weird lack of power. This is what we, we talked about this like a couple months ago

where there are some plays where he looks like the worst running back in the NFL. If he doesn't get a head start, he looks, he looks absolutely. He falls like a cow. He needs to get moving. You know how like semi-trucks like kind of like buck a little bit before they get going?

He's like, yeah, he's just really slow to get going. He does get, like, this was one of those games if you came down, you know, from a different planet or whatever and we're like, that guy's, like one of the greatest running backs of all times. He looks awful. If the yards before contact thing, I can't stress enough. Like the, what we talked about, the Titans were last in yards before contact and now it's the Raiders and the Ravens were first. When he gets the three yards ahead steam, he's the best running back ever, but he really is the Dom Hussein falling, like the statue falling over. Dictator toppling in the town square. Like he looks, you get his ankle.

before he gets moving. And I do think that's weird, though, with the short-yardage thing. But I will say, I, after the Bills game, and also early in this one was like, the first half of this game, I just, in my notes,

I was just like, the four best teams of the NFL are so obviously. The Lions and the Ravens and the Cheat and the, sorry, and the Bills and the Eagles, and like, it's not close. Everyone else is playing for fifth. And I still kind of stood by what I said in week one, where I was like, the Bills are the best,

like, I may have won that game, but the Ravens are the best team. And that was the first half. I was that the Ravens are so good. And watching this game, I hate to say it, but the mental thing, it is hard for me to not think that Derek Henry is going to carry

this fumble thing like all year. And more importantly, I don't know if it means anything, but Derek Henry's a target now with the fumbling thing. Like, it's, these guys who can't tackle them,

everyone's going for the ball now. Like, everyone is going to go from the ball. Ian Hartett's tweeted this out. 20, 23 to 2024, so two full seasons. Derek Henry, three fumbles on 600.

52 touches. 2025, three fumbles on 43 touches. He's fumbled in every game. I will say, I will say. This fumble in this game was kind of like everyone's fumbling in that situation. Like Aidan Hutchinson basically snuck up

behind him and like punched the ball from behind. You're not even looking that way or anticipating that as a running back. I do think that was more of a fantastic play by Aidan Hutchinson than it was like loose ball carrying by every peanut punch is a great play. But every player is great. at this punch now.

Like we were talking to, Craig, you pointed this out a couple years ago. We're in this like golden age of players being able to just throw a random hook and just knock the ball out.

Like the actors, this went from like a niche thing 10 years ago to every team has like six guys who can do this really well. It's borderline ruining the sport. It's kind of like maybe no punching in football. It's actually, it's amazing though how many guys can do it now.

Can we talk about the Derek Henry thing I get? That's, it's frustrating. Can we get just get, of all, the Lions offense give them credit. Second, Ravens' defense gave up 426 yards to the Lions. The Lions went 7 for 14 on third down and 3 for 3 on 4th down. So they were just absolutely incredible on pretty much almost every crunch time play.

And when they needed to get a, when they needed to get some yards, they got those yards. And they made some incredible play. One asterisk on this. Obviously, the Henry thing sucks, but like the defense did not help. Can I put one asterisk on that for the defense? I'm not going to take anything away from the lines. The line's offensive line looked back. Like, honestly, like, I mean, Tate Rowledge looks great.

They were making some great blocks. I will just say this. The Ravens did not have, they did not have Justin Matabeeke, who is their defensive tackle. And I, hard for me to not think that matter. They also didn't have, um, well, yeah, Kyle Vanoi. I just, I, I, they, I can imagine it getting better. But yeah, I mean, Amon Ra St. Brown rocked Marlon Humphrey in this game. Like, Amonra kind of, like, honestly, every important catch Amonra had,

Marlon Humphrey was just trailing behind him looking really upset. And I also, Amonra, I know that there's more talented players. Like, C.D. Lam's more talented, I guess, that Amarro said Brown. How many, if your season was on the line or games on the line, how many players would you actually want to catch a pass? Like, how many receivers do you design a play for one receiver to, like, make a play? Like, he'd be up there. Jamar Chase, Jefferson.

I'm like, is Amonra third? I think back in like 2020 or 2021, we did a segment in the summer where we joked about Keenan Allen being like the S&P 500 when it was like, stop doing the Kathy Wood bullshit. Stop investing in like tech companies and just like just just draft Keenan Allen. Like he will he will be dependable. He'll give you 100 catches, 1,300 yards in 10 touchdowns every single year. That is now Amonra St. Brown. I think Ammanra is probably better than prime Keenan Allen.

but Amonra is now just, and he's kind of has the same reputation even in fantasy where it's like, he's kind of under-discust, but if you just take him at the end of the first round, you'll never think about your wider receiver position once for the entire season. Amon Ra, I mean, in a game where the Lions ran for 224 yards,

and I mean, the Lions, I mean, 18 play, 98-yard drive. They ran it 13 times. Lions had a 95-yard drive. They still did on the two biggest plays of the game go to Amonra. Like, you know what I mean? And they were running it all over, but then I just, so he had seven,

catch is 77 yards a touchdown. Five first downs. And again, fourth and one catch over Marlon Humphrey. He had the touchdown over Marlon Humphrey where he said like, I'm that guy, paraphrasing, but he said, I'm that guy. He's such a gamer. You can swear on the show, you know. No, no, not that kind. Honestly, never heard such a loud one on ESPN in my whole life. But just the, like, there's such. I didn't actually hear what he said. Don't worry about it. There's such an intensity though. I'm assuming you can put that together what he said that. I can't say. There's, like, it's all coming together. Yeah, I love when a play comes together.

I will say, though, the... Don't say it. Sorry. The intensity from Amman Ra, I don't know why he's... I'm not going to single out a different receiver or whatever, but like, I love receivers that have the mix of like, they want the ball, they think they're the baddest dude in the world, but they also really give a flock about winning. And I know that it's not necessarily as easy to tell.

Like, I just, I think of Mongey's infectious. It's usually the guys who aren't, like, top 15 picks, to be honest. Yeah, there's a hunger. I saw, I just saw a quote from Dan Campbell after this game. And it's so succinct and so powerful. Our best players are our hardest workers. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm like, dude, that, and obviously, like, look, I recognize I turn everything into a Seahawks discussion. But this, this line seem does remind me a lot of, like, the peak era, a Seahawks where both sides of the ball really good. Some of the hardest workers, the most competitive guys you've ever seen, you know, balance, run the football, play defense. I don't know. There's just a lot of parallels

there with that team. So that was the first thing I thought of is just like the fact that their best players are their hardest workers. That's a culture thing. That's downstream of that. I'm glad because God, when Micah Parsons, and I'm the Packers may have won that game, but I'm telling the line's going to kick the shit out of the Packers the next time

they play. And Michael Parsons said teams that run trick plays think they can't beat you straight up. And that is so wrong because to your point, the trick plays the Lions do are earned by kicking the shit out of you all the other times. And like to your point, like all the crazy stuff the Lions do is because they're winning straight up so much that they get to do it. Like that other fourth and one play, we didn't talk about where they ran the, like he pitched it like he swept it to a Monra.

Yeah, they ran a speed option where Goff handed to a Monra. then Ammonra pitched it to Gibbs. And I'm watching this and I'm like, we even talk about Shamir Gibbs. Jamir Gibbs in sports looks unbelievable. Jameson Williams comes out in the first drive. They force feed him the ball three times. I disappeared the rest of the game. But they just, they just, there's so much talent on this team and there's just so much fun to watch.

I can't say enough about the Lions. I just, High Fitz, that was what I was going to say is I think sometimes people think teams run trick plays because they don't have the talent to just line up and run regular plays, but the lions are so fucking good at trick plays because they have so much talent. You know what I mean? Like that speed option to Jemir Gibbs, I don't feel like a lot of running backs could do that because Gibbs' explosiveness and just turbo button once he gets the ball in his hands is different than almost every other run back.

And also like your ability to just trust Amon Ross St. Brown to run that play. To handle the football. Yeah, yeah. And, I mean, Amon Ross St. Brown did the throwback too. Or no, sorry, that was David Montgomery, I think maybe. to throw back to Gough. You know, it's funny. I keep comparing Dan Campbell to like meathead Ted Lasso.

And I just, I am just, you still feel the culture coming through this team. So I can't say, yeah, the Rams are fine. It's so much fun. The Ravens, we'll see, it's insane. It's actually crazy to think the Ravens and Chiefs are both one and two heading into this Ravens' Chiefs game in week four. And that Ravens or Chiefs will be one and one of them will be one and three, which is insane. The chance that Bill's Ravens loss for the Ravens, like, decided the entire outcome of the season. Also, like, whichever team won that game was going to be the one that made the Super Bowl,

the AFC. And also, I mean, can you imagine being the Ravens and coming in and being like, you're the baddest team? And then, like, you might lose to the cheat. Like, they're in their own heads. They can say whatever they want. But all these losses over the years way where there's there's a lot of pressure on them to win this Chiefs game, way more than there should be, frankly. They could, you know what I mean? They couldn't even pretend for that beat Bill's game that it was like any other game because the bill's knocked him out. The Chiefs knocked him. The Bill, Ravens should have gone to the Super Bowl years ago and the Chiefs beat him.

And now it's like, you're going to fall to one and three? Like, the Ravens might miss the playoffs so they lose this game. Probably not. Like, I'm sure the Ravens could rattle off nine straight wins. But I'm not worried because I kind of still wonder if, I still think the Ravens are the best team in the AFC, maybe. But it's how many collapses. I mean, it's funny because on one hand,

Mark Andrew, it's like Mark Andrews looked back in this game. Bizarly, after we joked about Mark Andrews and Hunter, they both had two touchdowns from the top two titans of the week. People were tweeting at me. I can't even remember what I said about Mark Andrews at this point, but I'm sure it wasn't very nice. I mean, we burned him and then I said 100 hundred hundred outscore him,

which he did. He did. That's true. He scored him. I was too busy winning. So you're welcome. If you won by one point because you started 100, Henry, it's because of me. Nice.

Good job, Craig. The Ravens are not the best team in the AFC anymore. Like, come on. I'm not saying that based on outcome, but I still look at them and I'm like, everything's here. but I'll admit I'm starting to, I wasn't worried about the mental stuff affecting them. I am a little bit, like,

I actually need to sit a little resilience now. There's a James Hardin. Oh, I hate, stop with the James Hardin thing. Oh, my God. Whoever you want to pick, like the kick of the monkey off the back, can't win the big one. That is. I don't care if it's James Hardin, the Rockets are if it's another team.

They 100% are that. They are. Fine. I just, the James Hardin one bothers me because his motherfucker's got his jersey up in the rafters in a strip club. And I'm like, that's not the fucking Ravens. Like, come on. That has nothing to do with it.

I'm talking about on the field and on the court. It's very similar. He's fat? No, I, sorry. He's just fat? Hardin. I just. Okay.

So is Luca. What does that do? Are they good or they not? I think James Hardin, there's an implication of work ethic that I won't accept. And maybe that's just, maybe I just, when I see James Hardin, I think about, like, those things. But you're right. Like, yeah, it's, it's an issue.

But like, I would say this. It's funny because Mark Andrews is back. here's how I would frame it. They're the best team I've ever seen that I don't trust at all. Yes. I don't trust them whatsoever. That's exactly what it is, that's exactly what it is.

And I will say, even today is still there. I'm like, they're going to find some fucking way to let me down. They make the hard things look easy and they make the easy things look hard. I really didn't buy people saying that until the Henry Fumble and the clat and everything. I'm like, man.

And also, I will say, not for nothing, to bring it home, Derek Henry being of like at the very least the potential from to get in his own head later in the season is tough Tyler Loop also like the kicks were close like this kid was supposed to be a really good rookie kicker I don't like how many He fucked up a kickoff too I think

The two kickoffs were out of bounds which if that's on purpose I've been begging teams to be more aggressive with that it depends whether he was trying or not but I just there are elements here I don't like the deep like Marlon Humphrey getting beat like Maddie BK being hurt the kicker missing everything Henry and Henry just fumbling man like that would

be, I mean, at the end of the day, like, Henry fumbles in the playoffs, like, it's kind of going to be how we remember the end of his career. I think Henry's going to be fine. I think he'll be fine. But I think the other stuff worries me more. Yeah. It's like, unfortunately, this team has had enough bad luck now mixed with bonehead plays that there's just a feeling about them.

That is hard to not let infect you. Like that stuff just gets into your brain. And I do feel like the Ravens now when it's the fourth quarter and they're down seven or they're up seven or whatever. It's like, how are they going to blow it? It's just weird that they need Keaton Mitchell at the goal line and like, not. Derek and Ray. Can't get over that, but it feels true. And they'll be fine.

Anyway, okay, anything else in this game? I was a lot, but honestly, that was one of the, that was to me the second best game. I'm trying to remember. Let's not forget anybody. Who? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. We talked about Mark Andrews. That's good. Check. Yeah. A hilarious. A hilarious Mark Andrews game. Just a hilarious.

Touchdown he had was just a longer version of the two-point conversion. He dropped, like a harder version, but it was in the same spot and everything. Just, just, I love it. Nobody started him this week. Everybody will start him next week. He'll have two catches for eight yards next week.

It's just the best. Fantasy is the best. All right. Let's get to our waivers picks. All right. We're going to get to waivers right now. Just a reminder, next Monday. We're not going to have a Monday episode

because we're going to be coming back from Dublin. But if you want to see behind the scenes of our Dublin genitaligans, follow us on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, whatever. Follow us there. And we're going to have all the stuff about Dublin. We're going to have a Friday episode from Dublin or Sunday episode from Dublin.

we will add some waiver players to the back of our Sunday episodes. If you do want waiver players, we'll have that on the back of the Sunday episode. That's coming next week. So, yeah, that'll be fun without further ado. There's a lot to get to, actually. There's a ton of injuries. Honestly, I'm just looking at just like the headlines at ESPN, and it's straight up just Nick Bosa torn ACL done for season.

C.D. Lamb out this week. Giant Tyrone Tracy missing time. Brown's tackle, Duan Jones season-ending injury. Just like injuries, James Connor, season-ending injury. Just literally every. Every NFL update on literally every single one is an injury thing. We're officially back. It was a really healthy first two weeks.

I believe I even jinxed all the running backs last week by saying that it was a very healthy start to the season for running back. So sorry about that. It's done to your fault. It's all year. Austin Ackler. Yeah, sorry. So we'll go position by position.

We're going to each pick or top pick at that position. And then if anyone has the same guy, then we're going to do a trivia tiebreaker to figure who gets that guy. And then we'll go down and down the list. And then hopefully at some point, we that we are able to simulate. If you're in a 10 team league, a 14 team league, whatever, we'll eventually hit player. that are available in your league. That's the idea.

Eameless trivia questions, ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Put a trivia in the subject line and just make it a number. Okay, without further to running backs, we're all the same guy here, right? Number one guy, it's right, DK. James Connor after the season,

Trey Benson, the Cardinals running back up next. Yeah, if Trey Benson's out there in your league, he becomes a pretty top priority here. Obviously, a former early third round pick from last year, explosive player. He's already been being worked into the offense a lot more than he was last year.

It was about a 60-40 split before James Connor got hurt. And then after Connor got hurt, Benson was the lead back very clearly for the Cardinals. I expect that to go to be the case going forward. And the nice part about Benson is, you know, obviously he brings the explosive on-the-ground ability. He's a big play creator, but he's also been pretty involved in the passing game, 12.5% target rate this year so far, which is pretty solid. It catches for 45 yards. He's averaging almost 6 yards per carry.

So all in all, there's a huge opportunity here. from a former pretty highly drafted player. And so I'm excited to kind of see what he can do in this offense. Yeah, Benson is the first waiver-wire league winning running back of the year. Like this is somebody who, if you are in a free agent auction bidding league, you should spend a significant portion of your money on him, I would say. Like 60, 70, 80%, I think of your budget should be going towards Tray Benson. Yeah, I mean, if you are one and two or I hope, hope nobody.

O and three, but obviously some people are going to be O and three. And so if you're that, you're actually looking at starting someone else, like a Kareem hunt, and you're like, oh, I actually need to go get a running backup waivers. Like, just do whatever you got to do. Just go get Trey Benson. Obviously, if you're waivers, you can't necessarily do that. But yeah, that's easy. It's just, he's just starting running back.

We'll see, Mara DeMarcato is also a guy that go frogs for Kai, but also just a guy that will probably play for Arizona going forward, but I would rather have Tray Benson by a lot. I think DeMercato is just going to be a, like, a past catching backup guy. But I think Benson is the guy he wants. So, yeah, I mean, easy, easy, peasy. Trey Bone. All right, it is the Trey Benson showdown time. Ooh.

We really got, if we're ever in studio, like, if we ever are at a point in our lives or we record every episode together in the same room, we got to have a giant gong. Just a big ass gong, yeah. I would, yeah, ring the gong. That'd be great. Okay, so David emails us. Dave Bone. David emailed us several trivia questions in honor of our trip to double.

about Guinness. Ooh, nice. Really knew the audience. Okay. Love that. David says there are six official steps to pouring a Guinness, a pint of Guinness, which I didn't know. And the question is, in seconds, what is the official time to pour the perfect pint of Guinness per Guinness?

How long does it take? Yeah. Very interesting question. I've never thought before how long it takes to pour a beer. I know, well, I do know there is a specific thing with Guinness about, but I won't say. Say it, coward. Well, I know you're supposed to like, you're not supposed to pour the whole thing at once. I'm sure you know that.

You're supposed to pour a portion of it and wait and then finish it off. Oh, yeah, and that helps a lot, actually. Thank you for telling you great. If it's, did you really not know that? I didn't know that. Oh, really? Yeah. When do I pour Guinness? Well, you don't ever watch, like, people pour Guinness at a bar.

You have to, like, you pour a portion of it, and then you wait and you let it settle. Hefitz, is never once looked in the eyes of a server before, so. That is true He's such an asshole to servers It's actually the opposite He's like the biggest sweet art Hyphitz I've never gone Yeah I've never gone to a restaurant without

High Fitz making becoming best friends with the servers Hyvitz is a real like Excuse me what's your name man John? It's great to meet you John Yeah The Brussels sprouts sound great Thank you.

It's like what you're saying yesterday's strippers I'm like no no no they like me They're not just covering. He really does become best friends with them so All right I got a number Yeah I got one too I think Three two seconds, right?

Yeah. Three, two, one. 120 seconds. Oh, crap. We did the exact same thing. You said two minutes. I said 120 seconds, which is the same. Wait, so how do you want to take the...

We got to start guessing more specific numbers. I think we always just guess really clean round numbers. I got to start saying like two minutes and five seconds just to make things easier. I'll let you... You can choose. What do you want? The over or the under. Like, do one second over or over?

Hyviz, what did you take? I just said 20 seconds. So, I mean... That's... That's not it. Ooh, I actually think it's... This is big, D.K. I'll take the under.

I'll take the slide under. Are you sure? I just looked at the answer. You sure you want the under? Hi, Fitz. What are you doing? What are you doing? Why would you say that?

Is I thought it'd be funny? All right. Yeah, no. He's taking the under. He already committed. I just checked the answer. The answer is 119.5 seconds. You get the fuck out of it.

here. Why, point five? Like, literally two minutes minus half a second. That is literally the answer. So that's why I was kind of shocked. So we're still tied. What do you mean?

I took under two minutes. I thought you were, I thought you were taking one minute. No, but that's, Dick's point is right. You said it, you went to second under and he went like, it's in fact,

hence why I was trying to fix the situation. But, you, yeah. Actually, I have an extra Guinness-related trivia. We have four trivia. All right. D.K., we crushed that. Good job.

Fuck, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. And I'll do another one here. Arthur Guinness Arthur Guinness signed a lease in 1759 for the St. James Gate Brewery in Dublin. How many years was the original lease for? I remember.

I've heard this before. Craig, do you want to guess? No. Is it like 500 years or something insane? I don't know. I assume since it was sent to us as a trivia question, it wasn't like three years. but I don't know.

Yeah. Well, yeah. So is that your guess? What do you want to guess? I'm going to say a thousand years. The first number that came to my mind was 2,000 years. So that's what I'll go with. Is it 1,500?

The answer is 9,000 years. 9,000 years? Oh, wow. A 9,000 year lease. At that point, don't you just own it? How will you have a 9,000 year lease and you don't know? Yeah. That's incredible.

Like, just like keeping that contract around for 9,000 years feels absolutely. I don't even know how I could. I don't, yeah, that's, it's in a, it's in some drawer somewhere. That's so funny. Find the least. Where's the $9,000 in your drawer? Prove it. Bezos has some clock he buried in the desert.

That's like a C-CM-Adam clock. Anyway, other running backs. You earned it. You earned, Craig. You earned it. Good job, Craig's in there. All right, Craig, who do you want as the next running back? There's a huge drop.

Yeah, it's a massive drop. Like, if you actually need to play someone from fantasy, Benson, and then if it's, like, I probably. Seven receivers if you actually need to play someone this week. I agree. We don't need to spend a ton of time. I'm going to go with Woody Marks, the rookie running back on the Texans. Daria Agumbo-Wale, who was kind of the guy playing ahead of Woody Marks as the past catching back.

Didn't play a snap last week. It's kind of now just split. It's Nick Chub playing half the snaps and Woody Marks playing half. It was 33 to 30. So I'm going to go with Woody Marks as a guy who I think throughout the season could end up becoming like a nice player who can get some passes for you. And also Nick Chub, you know, who knows what's going to happen with him. injury-wise this season.

So I'll go with Woody Marks. That's cool. I mean, all these guys suck, and it's kind of just a mix of, do you actually need to play someone this week or do you want for longer term? I will say if you actually need to play someone, unfortunately, I would probably pick Kremont.

Like, it sucks, like 10 carries, 30 yards and touchdown. Like, he's not really the kind of player you want on your bench or on your team. It's like you just pray he's going to get touchdown. Honestly, all these guys, I'm just going to rip through a bunch of guys that I think are all the same vibe of like, you just hope they score

and that's kind of it. but like some guys are going to have way better upside. So that's why I don't love Kareem Hunt really. Probably, I mean, Olly Gordon for the Dolphins, clearly the short down and distance goal line back for Miami. I don't really love Olly Gordon because it's like he's the backup to ACHAN,

but ACHAN, his values as a receiver, not a running back. So if ACHN gets hurt, Olly Gordon's not going to take the receiving work. So it's like, what's the short down and distance stuff worth on a team that isn't really good at that? Having said that,

he's a short down distance running back. Same with Tyler Algier. It's like the tides go in, out, it's like they play the Panthers with the terrible run D and Tyler Regio gets like one carry, so you'll never know there. Devin Singletary would probably play more for the Giants because Tyron Trace is hurt, but like, do you really want him? So I'm like, honestly, man, I guess maybe better than Cream Hot.

Maybe I should just take Play Corum. We'd least have any carries. I'd probably take him because it's eight carries 50 yards in a touchdown. The difference being like Blake Corum I actually think is good. And if Kyron Williams got hurt, like Blake Corum would probably just be Kyron Williams. He looks good. I know. I was going to say he.

He's playing more this year. He looks good. So actually, I would take, yeah, I would take Blake Corum over Cream Hunt. And then the other guys who just want to mention someone for the Chargers is going to end up playing Nashi Harris Tour's Achilles. I kind of think it's going to be Hassans. I don't think he's that good, but he played at Michigan for Harbae, I believe. And so that might just be enough. But I don't know. There's like Kyle Munangai for the Bears where it's as simple to me as DeAndre Swift is playing through a quad injury. And then if he re-injures the quad, Menongai's just kind of the starter for the Bears. But yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty brutal if you do. the waiver wire running back this week is tough.

I would say it's, it's Trey Benson, then a whole bunch of other guys. How do you want to do the official order here? Trey Benson, Woody Marks, and then... I think Benson, and Marx is the same thing, where it's, I would do quorum over marks simply because Nick Chubb is more likely to get hurt than the Rams offense is significantly better. Yeah, it's like, what is it worth to be the running back for the team with the worst

offense line in the NFL? So I personally would do Benson Quorum. Even for just next week? Yeah, well, it's tough because like next. week the Rams are playing the cult so it's like what does that mean but then the Texans are going to get the shit kicked out of them I know the Texans are playing the Titans I don't care that much if you want I mean Marx looks good that's cool but the point is it's like the same thing it's like the guy in front of them gets hurt they can play if not

you're just like throwing a dart um Marx is playing though he plays playing half the snaps so there you go Benson there you go so yeah so Trey Benson wouldie Marks would like quorum and then like a bunch of guys uh you know I mean shit yeah Kendrae Miller on the Saints It's Tosges. A lot of flotsam. All right, we're going to get to receivers, but first, this episode is brought to you by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. You can watch every game, every Sunday, all in one place. So you don't miss a key moment on the field with NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV.

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and embargoes apply commercial use excluded. Okay, receivers. I think there's way more to talk about it, wide receiver this week. This one was hard. It's hard to choose the top guy here, I think. C.D. Lamb is a high ankle sprain. Mike Evans is a low-grade hamstring.

Malik neighbors is just sad, you know. I don't know if we're going to have a ton of agreement here. But Deakin, curious, who's your number one receiver? You'd add off waivers this week. Yeah, I waffled on this a lot. I think I'll go with Elyc Iommonor from the Titans. And I know that we've probably said his name seven different ways this season. Still not quite sure exactly.

Covering all our bases. Yeah. But it just truly feels like he is the number one receiver on this team. Calvin Ridley has not really been very good. He's struggled. He's dropped a few passes. It seems like Cam Ward really trusts Iommonore. And the nice part, like obviously I am a little bit nervous about recommending a guy on the Titans.

And I recognize that, right? Like their offense has been horrific so far. However, like I said last night, they've gone through the gauntlet of defenses, Rams, Broncos, and Colts so far this year. And then it starts to ease up after next week. So the Texans are next week. And then after that, the schedule lightens up quite a bit. They go the Cardinals, Raiders, Patriots, Colts, Chargers. So it's obviously not the easiest.

but I would say Ilemanor is my top guy, but I don't feel super strongly about that. Craig? I went with I omnour too. I know we really like him. I think he's market correcting Calvin Ritly. I think it's pretty remarkable what this guy is doing as a fourth rounder. Like so quickly.

He, I mean, he leads the team in end zone targets. He has two touchdowns this year. Ward looks to him in the end zone and he looks good. Calvin Ritaly's got three drops in three weeks, I think, which is a bummer.

I mean, I thought Calvin Ridley was going to be awesome this year. I also liked Imo Nore, but I had no idea that this takeover was going to happen. So quickly. Yeah, if at all, this year. So I was between him and Trey Tucker on the Raiders, to be honest. Same. Same.

But I think long term, it's more likely that Iow Minore becomes like the number one and is awesome. And then he's like, like, if you had to pick somebody who could be the Pukunak and a coup of this year, like, I think it's him. And Trey Tucker feels a little bit more like, all right, you're getting Marquez Valdez Scantling on the Raiders. And it's like the guy who they throw deep shots. too, but he has been good. I agree with what you said. And I, it's, what did you say, D.K.? I said, like, if Craig and I are both between Trey Tucker and Elyke, I'm anore, like, you break the tie.

You choose one. I'll do Trey Tucker, man, because I'm like, I feel like after talking about it, I lean that way too now, actually. I agree with everything you said. I am, like, I think Eilik is probably the less fun, correct answer because to your point, Aminoa is probably just going to be the number one receiver on an NFL team and you can add him and he's probably going to have a roll all season and it'll probably get better and better as the season goes on, not worse.

The rookie wall is not really, it's a myth. It's actually like rookies, like generally you're going to get better as the season goes. But I think with Trey Tucker is like, he had 41 points this week and he had 140-something yards and eight catches and three touchdowns. And I understand, like literally the number one player in fantasy and I understand that like, oh, you can't just chase

that I'm like, yeah, but he's, do you know on the season, he's the number three receiver and fantasy? Like, of all receivers, Tread Tucker's third part of me, he's like, I don't know, pick that guy. I know. It's like kind of like don't get too cute. Here's the other reason. Here's the other reasons I kind of lean that way too, as I was thinking about it, is there has been a steady drumbeat of hype about this guy going back into the off season.

We heard about him a lot. He is by far playing the most snaps alongside Jacoby Myers. So there's that. He is like in 90 plus percent of the place for them. He's basically out there as much as Jacoby Myers. And then the other thing I want to add here, and this is just a little piece of context, I don't think he really,

he didn't come out of nowhere, nowhere. I actually liked him a lot. Going back and I could dig up my tweet about this, the two most impressive people at the Senior Bowl when I went that year, which was three years ago, were Jane Reed and Trey Tucker. And I thought they had similar skill types,

similar body side. I think Jane Reade's a little bit bigger, but they were both very, very impressive at the senior bowl, and it's not that surprising to me to see Trey Tucker like producing legit numbers here. So I just say that. That's my other thing with this. So here's the thing.

And just to give people an idea. First of all, I want to read some dumb stats that don't mean anything but are funny. Last week, Tray Tucker outscored Brian Thomas, Malik neighbors, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Ladd-McConkey-Tiggins, and Ciddleam combined. Now, that doesn't necessarily matter.

There's always some random receiver or tight end who catches three touchdowns, and then they never do that ever again in their entire career. And it's like random and inexplicable and random stuff happens. To your point, though, D.K., part of me does wonder with Trey Tucker that we're just stuck to the bias of, well, he's 5 foot eight, like 108 pounds and no one wants to believe he's good. Because it really do much his first years in the NFL. And ironically, it reminds me a little bit of Nico Collins. Not literally because Nico Collins is different style.

Eight inches taller? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's a different thing. But Nico Collins, when he was good, he was an idea, but you were like, oh, yeah, Nico Collins is going to be a top six guys. guy, and then he just was. And I'm not saying it's like that with Trey Tucker, but I think it's easy to stereotype into what Craig said, Marquez Valdeus Scantley, and that's why no one wants to believe it.

But I'm like, I saw a few things. An Austin Gale, who's a big Raiders fan here and just knows football and knows the Raiders, and his point was it's not just a big deep threat with Trey Tucker. But Trey Tucker on the scramble drills with Gino was the one who was connecting with Gino on the scramble drills. And in a world where Jacoby Myers is not a deep threat, Brock Bowers is not healthy. Michael Mayer, the other tie-down has a concussion. and you know, Dante Thornton, you know, people are like, well, Dante Thornton pick him up.

He's six foot five. I'm like, I don't care that he's six foot five. Like, Trey Tucker has demonstrated an ability to connect with Gino Smith not only on deep balls, but off schedule. And the touchdown he had was intermediate. Like, that was a short route. That wasn't necessarily a deep shot, the first of the three touchdowns. And I'm like, you know what?

Also, Gino Smith is a Stafford. Geno Smith is a guy who just, when he has his guys, he forces them the ball. And I guess I guess I'm coming back around on the, it's like the best. curve meme. It's like pick up the guy who's third in points. And then I'm like, well, you know, he doesn't really have a roll and he's five foot eight and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't know. Gino's probably to keep throwing

him the ball. It worked last week. And I'm like, I kind of just want to, so I think I'll do that. I totally understand how one, he could have no catches for the next two weeks and you cut him. And then he does it again and you pick him up and he sucks. I just kind of think, though, if you, to me, it's this simple. If Trade Tucker is good the rest of the year and you don't pick him up, you'll feel like an idiot.

I'm sure there's going to be ups and downs, but I will say the last two weeks he's had nine targets and eight targets plus he has a couple of rushes he has two total rushes which is also to me suggest they're trying to get him the ball

they're scheming him up ways to touch the football he's unique to what the team has right now like he like his like small quick twitchy like they don't really have Deontate Thornton who's like big they have Jacoby Myers

he's not really that type they have Brock Bowers like he does provide a certain thing to the offense and in their I mean 19% target chair is not terrible. He only has one less target than Brock Bowers this year, who admittedly has beat up. But that's the point. Gino launches the ball. Gino has the most 20, 20-yard completions in the league this year. He's chucking it. And I understand it was

garbage time for Washington. I guess my thing is, look, I guess when we get the caveat, I understand Chukker could be suck of Raiders this year, though. I know, but I understand. That's exactly. The Raiders are going to be in shootouts. And then also, just again, Tray Tucker could suck. All these guys could suck. Like, like Tray Franklin, we like last week. Tray Franklin, how many yards do you have? Less than 10. Nine, eight? Yeah.

And I'm like, all these guys could do that. I'm like, none of these guys were talking about I'm probably going to do what Trey Tucker did this year. I'm just curious if you could do it again. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, but I am more confident in E-LIC for the Titans having a role. So I have no, it's just what do you want? You want a guy you can put in your flex and not freak out that he can have no role?

Or do you want like a crazy home run shot? That to me is Trey Tucker. And the other guy in this group while we're here is also that I would put third. And then there's, to me, a tear drop is Calvin Austin for the Steelers. Because I think Calvin Austin is a pretty good bet to, catch a touchdown every week. And if you need him in flex and buy weeks, it's like, I don't know if Calvin Olson can have 150 yards, but he might have nine catches and a touchdown some week just

because of the way Rogers is playing. So that, to me, is a guy I would put third. And I think after that, to me, there's a tier drop. Oh, I don't know if I'd put him in this tier, to be honest. Like, he had one- cut him third. Yeah, he had 22 yards last week. He had 34 yards this week.

I don't know. Rogers threw for like 104 yards this year. I just don't, I don't know what the volume is there. I agree he's like a pretty good player. but I don't know if the same volume is there as like Trey Tucker. That's fair. I guess you could, that's fair. I guess you could put Calvin also at the top of the next tier to me.

That's probably a better way to put it. Yeah. Okay. So there we go. So then still. So we'll roll with Tucker. Yeah, we'll roll with Tucker. And then the-

Also, he's way more available. I think Eelick might be rostered in the leagues. I don't think Tucker's rostering in your eyes. And the loser can get Eelick and then we'll see what we do with third. Okay. All right. It is the Trey Tucker of the Las Vegas Raiders. showdown time.

Love that gong. Let's rip it. The Guinness Book of World Records was made. This is from Dave again. Dave, Dave, Bone. Thank you. The Guinness Book of World Records was made to settle a pub argument involving Sir Hugh Beaver.

Christ. What's funny? What did you call me? The managing director of Guinness Brewery was named Sir Hugh Beaver. What's so funny, D.K. That's on the old school. Put that on the Gen X spelling bee. I bet Kai doesn't even know what that means.

The what? Gen X-Bever? Beaver. I bet that's a... I bet he knows. I bet he knows. Like what it refers to in slang? Yes.

Anyway, Sir Hugh Beaver and it was arguing with someone over the fastest game bird in Europe. Classic pub combo. I had that argument last week with a friend. Exactly. So what the question is, what year was the first Guinness Book of World Records published? And then also I kind of want to finish, figure out what the fastest game bird is. Guinness Book of World Records. I always wondered

I was Guinness. I said 9,000 years ago. Yeah. Okay. Just going to take a stab at it. Sure. Three, two, one. 18, 19.

Okay. So Craig said 1910. I said 1898. High Fitz? I said 1840. Okay. Oh, fuck. 195.

Craig. That was huge. I really knew that. I feel like it should. It's felt older than that, but that's fine. I feel like there, my thinking there was there there's not enough ability to actually like speak to other people across the country and world and figure out what records there were like they were probably lying yeah it just

felt like you there wasn't the reach wasn't possible in the 1800s yeah yeah uh Craig double over nothing on fastest game bird in Europe hell no okay we need to hold on to that win what is the fastest game bird though can we can you tell me I think Gemini misunderstood me the oh the European golden plover plover. Okay. What is a European golden plover? P. L. Lover. Like Glover, but with a Plover. Plover. Plover. L.O. V.R. Like a range rover, but a P. Lover. Plover. Plover.

Plover. Uraian golden plover. Plover. Plover. That's duly noted. Anyway. Okay. Craig. You're going to take Tucker. You're going to take Tucker. Yeah, I'll take Tucker. And then that means D.K. gets I am in O. Which means high if you get your pick of the letter here for number three. You taking Calvin Austin?

Okay. I'm going to make a contract. First of all, can I just run through a ton of guys? Yeah, let's see if you guys are- guys out there. Guys that I would look at and think about for more than two seconds. You know, sometimes your eyes just delete people. Right.

Troy Franklin and the Broncos, we talked about last week, suck last week, but I'm like, okay, they're playing the Bengals this week, and the Bengals defense obviously sucks because the Vikings just scored 48 points. Jalen Tolbert for the Cowboys, because C.D. Lam is his high ankle. He's like, I'll try to play next week. If the Cowboys let C.D. Lam play on a high ankle, they're an idiots. So Jalen Tolbert and Cuvante Turpin, but I would prefer Tolbert.

Romeo Dubs and Don Tavian Wicks going from the Browns defense and then the Packers next week played Dallas. And again, that one is interesting me. We just saw what Caleb Williams did to Dallas. You would kind of think Packers, like I know Matthew Golden, Dantevin Wicks, Romeo Dubs, all those guys have been disappointing, but I'm like the Cowby's defense is ass. And then lesser extent, Wondale,

but I'd rather not chase what Wondell did versus Dallas and chase what the Packers could do to Dallas. Booty for the Patriots I like, but I don't know if I would want to throw them in this week. because the Patriots are playing the Panthers like you could. Luther Burden is exciting, but I'm like, I don't know. The big play was a flea flicker. He's a good stash, I would say.

He's a good stash. If you have a deep league and you want to take a risk, he's barely playing still, but he clearly has the talent. He's a second round pick. It's like eventually he can work his way in ahead of Alameda Zakias and be the number three guy probably, but it's not yet.

Exactly. Like Luther Burden, I think, will probably get one to three touches every game, but I kind of don't think he's going to get six or seven in the next few weeks. But if you had to pick any of these guys who by week 14 is crushing, it's probably Luther Burden. Exactly.

And that's the thing I want to distinguish because I know everyone has different things. It's like if you need someone for this week in the next two, it's like, all right, Jalen Tolbert's on this list. You have the luxury three ones to your point, Luther Burden. Tori Horton for the Seahawks, all he does is catch touchdowns. That's another rookie that I just feel like it's going to get better and better as this season goes on. I don't want to put him in now. Christian Kirk for the Texans.

I have to say, if there is a guy that I'm kind of like, and I'm a little, this week, maybe it's dumb, but there's a guy where I'm like, oh my God, who do I actually think is just going to beat these guys, though? I kind of think it's Tyquan Thornton from the Chiefs. I was going to say, throw him in there, yeah. It's weird because we're going to do the topper

from Ravens Lions, but I haven't watched Ravens' Lions yet, and the Ravens' defense is good. I will say, though, of all the post-Harek Hill era chiefs and all the receivers, Kansas City has trotted out in the attempt to replace the speed and all these, like, spare parts

I think Taekwon Thornton, like, clearly looks like the best one. And I'm not counting Rashih Rice isn't a spare party. It's like a second round pick. But I actually think Taekwon Thornton looks better than Xavier worthy. He looks worthier than worthy. Like, Thornton is the deep threat guy that Valdez Scantley was, but Thornton has hands. Like, Thornton's going up and getting passes.

Like, Thornton, like, I don't know. He had, what, nine targets. He had five catches, 71 yards and nine targets, but I don't know. It's the Chiefs offense. It's hard for them to get stuff going. Maybe it's dumb to pick him against. the Ravens because it's like the Ravens defense is so good,

but I'm like, I am more pessimistic than most. I don't care that they're like, oh, worthy my comeback. Shefter said on ESPN on Sunday morning, the injury is worst that people think. I'm not really worried about worthy having a big game path the next two weeks. I think you have a three-week continued window where Rishie Rice is not playing. In that, if you need a guy for that three weeks, like a C.D. Lamb, I kind of, I'm kind of leaning toward Thornton.

I understand that's probably a stupid pick for a few reasons, but I don't know. I kind of just think he will score the most points of these guys next week. I don't mind. Remaining, too. Also a second round pick, Tyquin Thornton by the Patriots. Yeah.

Because he's like just sprinter. He's like a track sprinter that came in NFL player. Well, and it's funny. So he had that great, like, long ball he brought down. Contested catch was awesome.

But the play before that was a much easier deep ball that he dropped. And I swear, like if he had just dropped that ball and Mahomes didn't go back to him and he brought in that really difficult catch, I think everybody would have been out on Tyquant Thornton. Him catching that pass, like around the defender,

I think made people, realize that actually he might be something. He ran a 4-28-40 or dash. Xavier-Worthy's record was 4-21. He looks aerodynamic. He's extremely tall and skinny. At that point 4-28-4-2, it doesn't matter. Like, can you catch? Can you

do all this other stuff? And I'm like, where are these still shoulders still busted? Like, I don't know. I'm kind of shocked at how competent Thornton looks in this offense. They've had so many guys they try to cycle in and out. I don't... Yeah, he looks like a real receiver in this offense. Everybody else has major issues. And like that drop, even though

it was, I guess, technically a drop. He lost it going to the ground. It wasn't necessarily like a super easy play. So, yeah, I think he, right now, he seems to have a pretty regular role in this offense and has earned Patrick Moms as trust. And the nice part is he might not get a ton of volume

each game, but he's always dangerous for like a big play. And so, you know, if you're kind of, this is definitely more of a flex play, if you're a little bit desperate, but I don't hate this. Am I crazy for picking him over like Jill and Tolbert? Because I'm like, C.D. Lambs' targets being distributed.

Like, Jake Ferguson's going to be in pickings. Jake Ferguson's going to catch like 160 passes. He's quietly, he is second in the NFL and catches. He's on, he's on, I think he's on pace for like 150 something catches. He had 12 last week. Yeah. And that's between that, I'm like, I don't really want to have Tolbert versus the Packers D. I think you can talk me into basically taking one more swing at Dutavian Wicks or

probably Dantavian Wicks or Romeo Dobbs against the Packer, against the Cowboys next week. Try my luck with Troy Franklin over. Some of those other guys. Yeah, Tray Franklin versus the Bengals. Like, I have, I'm not even going to pretend I have a strong feeling on that. But I think that to me is the next group. Troy Franklin versus the Bengals, but you're playing the Sean Payton Roulette. Tyquan Thornton, where you're like, can the Chiefs beat the Ravens, like move the ball

on the Ravens, which is probably if he itself. The other guy to mention real quick, I don't, High Fitz, you might have mentioned him. Sterling Shepard for the Buccaneers, who went four catches for 80 yards. Mike Evans is going to be out for the indefinite future. and the only thing that holds me back from being a little bit more excited about Starring Shepard, who I think is just like a wily vet who knows how to get open. He's 32 and had the Clay Thompson five years ago. A rare zero percent rostered on Yahoo leaks.

You have to kind of pay attention this week to what's going on with Chris Godwin. There's reports, Schefter said it on Sunday, that Chris Godwin could come back this week. Wouldn't be super surprising if it took an extra week. So if you're really desperate with Mike Evans out, and if Chris Godwin is not back, Snowing Shepherd is like the number two receiver for the Buccaneers. So just throw that out there. That's an interesting one.

So what would you guys do if you were in my spot where it's like, okay, you're saying, okay, if Trey Tucker's gone, if Ilykei and Menora's gone, would you go with Troy Franklin versus the Bengals? Would you play, would you go with like a Dantavan Wicks or Dobbs versus Dallas? Where part of me is like, it's that simple. I'm like, the Dallas defense is clearly worse in the NFL. Dobbs plays the most snaps.

They're playing the Cowboys. It's a bounce back week for Green Bay. Like Dobbs is the number one receiver in terms of snaps and routes. I'd probably go tobs. That's totally fair. Part of me is just like played players against Dallas. Caleb Williams just had the best game of his career against Dallas. Russell Wilson just had statistically like one of the two or three best games of his career against Dallas.

Just do that. Yeah. So maybe that's the simplest way to do it. It's just do Dobbs or Wix. Don Tavon Wix is around too. If Dobbs is rostered, Wix is there. Yeah. Okay.

Also, if for some reason, Chris Godwin, it's, still out there on your league. Pick him up now. The, okay, so we're saying, Tucker, A. I. Craig, Craig got Tucker, I got Ayo Manor and Yucco Wix. Tucker, I, I'm sorry, Tucker I Aminoer Dobbs. Dobbs. Yeah. Tight end. I want to just give a shout out to Craig. Because the number one guy is definitely Hunter Henry.

On Friday show, we were talking about Mark Andrews or Hunter Henry and you're like, I would bench him. And I was like, okay, but like, for who, where's the line? And you were like, I would play Hunter Henry over Mark Andrews. And, well, actually, no, I think I'm remembering it wrong. I tried to convince you to play Hunter Henry, and you insisted that Mark Andrews was the play. I beat the drum for Hunter Henry. And Hunter Henry is not only a number one tight end this week. Hunter Henry is literally the number one fantasy on the season so far.

Wild. Which is hilarious, but literally number one. So I think we can keep. We'll see, you know, maybe Mark Andrews has three touchdowns tonight. We don't know. That would be great. I will say if he's available, it's not worth doing the trivia, but if Hunter Henry's available, pick him up.

He's the number one tight in fantasy. He's only 60% rostered on Yahoo. He's like under 50% of ESPN. It depends on your league size. But if Hunter Henry is available, like, yeah, pick up the number one tighter fantasy. Groundbreaking. I also will say, we didn't include him in this, but T.J. Hawkinson, I've seen him released.

Like the Ringer Fantasy. Oh, yeah. I picked him up. So if anyone caught Hawkinson, I would add him to. And I assume you guys would take him over the other people here. Yeah, probably. So. It's been tough.

Also, Jordan Addison coming back next week. Dude, I would take Hawk. Anyway. I mean, yeah, we're talking about guys. Like, I would take Hawkinson over like Brenton Strange or something. Yeah. So with that said, DK. Hunter Henry taken out of it, Hawkinson, if he's been cut, taken out of it.

Who's your number one tight end for waivers after week three? I think I'm going to couch it between good stash versus guy that you need to play this week. If you absolutely need to play someone this week, I think I would go with Chigaconkwo for the Titans, who has been a pretty big part of their offense. And again, like I said, with I. O. Menor, they played really good defenses so far. Theoretically, we could see them open things up a little bit more going forward. So last week he had four catches for 35 yards on six targets.

The week before that, he had six targets, five catches, 66 yards. He looks pretty good right now. But again, the tight end waivers is pretty bleak. It's horrific. And then the other guy was going to say for stashing. He was better this week. He had five catches for 66 yards this week. Oh, did I? had that mixed up.

Sorry, yeah, you're right. Five for 66 this week, last week he had six targets, four catches, 35 yards. The guy that I would say I would stash, but not necessarily feel great about starting is Isaiah likely for the Ravens. I think so, too. Likely is a guy who I feel like is constantly teasing you in fantasy.

He'll have a big week and then he'll disappear for a while. But if the Mark Andrews thing is over, then Isaiah likely is going to be relevant. bit this season. So I agree. I would say he's probably my number one as well. He's likely or chick? Likely. I think likely has a higher upside. It's tough because we haven't watched Ravens Lions. So maybe this is like either I say likely hasn't played or did anything. I guess my issue is Isaiah likely had foot surgery like a month ago. Three weeks ago. Three limited practices. And so they're going to they're going to they're going to like probably work him up on a snap count. So it's one of those things where

until I see him play, I kind of, it's hard for me to be like, yeah, put him in your lineup. But unambiguously the best player of this group. He's the long term. Like if any of these guys is going to be a top 10 tight end at the end of the season, it's going to be him. Yeah. So, yeah, I agree with that. I have no problem.

Yeah. So we'll do likely as a stash, but then if you really need to play someone this week. Yeah. Chig? Honestly, I might go Brenton Strange. It's funny. Breton Strange quietly leads the,

the Jaguars and catches in yards over Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter or anybody else. He's number one in catches and yards. Okay. Playing the Niners next week. They just lost Nick Bosa. I don't know. I think Strange is somewhat reliable in terms of volume.

The only thing he's not getting his end zone targets because the Jaggs can't score, Trevor Lawrence has been really bad in the red zone. He has, Brent and Strange has zero red zone targets and zero end zone targets. I would go Brent and Strange too. He would be my number one pick at this group. He's just consistently in the mix.

I'm fine with that. Yeah, I'm fine with that. It was close between Chig and. It's all in the same tier. I think him and Chig are on the same tier. Chig also quietly leads the Titans and catches. and yards. It's so funny.

Yeah. So you're going to. Brent and Strange showdown time. We're doing the strange. All right. We're looking for some strange. Showdown time. I love that point.

I'm out of Guinness questions. So I have a question here from Jay Bone. Jay Bone. Jay. For breakfast, I had yogurt, specifically Icelandic yogurt called Skir. Oh, yeah.

Skir. With berries and granola on top. Nice. Sounds freaking delicious. Great way to start your day. Yeah. as a J-bone, the best of the bones. I got to thinking, I'm an imposter.

J-bone is just a nickname for me, but how many people are truly named bone? So my trivia question is how many people in the entire world have the last name, Bone? Like Ken Bone. Like Ken Bone, yes, exactly. That's great. Good question. It's a pretty inspired question. I've never heard of anyone besides.

It's Ken Bone. It's just Ken Bone. Right? Yeah. Also, incredible Ken Bone is not important. Is there any other like sports players or anybody that you can remember having last name? Bone. Bone?

I, I, no. I'm sure there are, but I can't remember him. This is one of those questions where I could be so off. Man. Okay. Sure. I'm just going to say the first number that popped into my head. Are you ready?

Same. Same. Sure. three, two, one. $10,000. I said $10,000. Would you say, DK? I said $5,000.

I said $3,000. Wow. Craig, Craig's in a good position here. Craig went high. Bone. It's like 14. Damn, we actually were pretty close. 54,000, 2213.

We're cooking today, baby. Forbear's.io. 54,000 people named Bone. There are so many fucking people on Earth. God. 54,000 people out here with a lot of his name, Bone. Jesus. The Bone family.

Just fill a stadium with people named Bone. Imagine meeting your partner's father and his name is Mr. Bone. It's a Norman English surname of Norman origin. So that would be like northern France and comes for the old French word Bonn, which means good. Ah. Okay. There you go. You mean bone.

Bon. Oh. Bonapeteet. Like abo. Yeah. How about that? It can also be, it can also be, it can also be an English nickname derived from Middle English for bone or leg, which makes obvious sense. Bone or leg or bone or leg.

Got it. Hmm. Is that, bone. Do you think that's where it came from? Bone, yeah. Oh, bone thugs in harmony. Do they count? Sure.

Yeah. Okay. Okay, anyway, DK, you get, who did you pick? So, Craig, I got last. Oh, oh, yeah. I said 5,000. Craig got it number one. Yeah, so I'm taking strange.

I'm out, I found some strange. So I like that we do it like waivers where it's like I went for him, but I kind of got screwed because I went for Strange and then D.K. got a Conquo, so now I have to pick a third guy, which kind of sucks ass. No, I think I'm last. What did you have? Brent and Strange. No, no, you said 10,000.

D.K. said 5,000. Okay, okay. Oh, okay. All right, yeah, then I would take Chicoke of a pick. Well, good luck, D.K. And then Isaiah likely doesn't count or what? No. Sure.

All right. I'll throw just a chip on a Ronde, Gadsden. Gadsden? Gadsden. Gadsden. Yeah, from the Chargers who was active for the first time this year. And he, look, he only played 25% of the snap. So this is a stash only.

He kind of cooked. At that point, you can take Isaiah likely if you want. Like, he's playing. That's what Isaiah likely would do in a snap count. Right. I want, like likely would be my first choice anyway. So I'm going to, but, but I want to throw out Gadsden as a potential just stash. You know, he had seven targets on 25% of the steps.

So there's that. Yeah, I mean, he, Gadsden had more catches on Sunday that Tyler Conklin, Will Disley, and Tucker Fisk have combined for all season. He's a fifth round rookie. Yeah. I mean, he looked good. And Herbert moves the ball around. This is obviously like a real shot in the dark because there's a lot going on with the tight ends. situation with the charges. But Greg Roman

tight ends, maybe this guy ends up being good. But I did think he looked good. I mean, yeah. He had a very important day in this, in a very important game. He's more of a, he's even more of a receiver than a tight end. He's 6-5-236. So he's, you know, not necessarily an in-line guy. A feather.

Yeah. Right. All right. Let's get to quarterbacks, but first, we're to take a quick break. All right. Quarterback streamers. So you might have, I mean, if you picked up like Marcus Maraud or someone that probably worked that well, but obviously we don't know right now maybe Jim Daniels plays this week, maybe it doesn't. So it's like fields.

Yeah, so we don't know if these guys are going to play. So we'll just go through because again, there were a bunch of quarterback injuries. I also adding to that list, actually, not only did Nick Boas and Terry's ACL for the Niners, but Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, but Mac Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, but Mac Jones, he's kind of okay. So it's like, maybe he can play through. Niners can't catch a break, but if he can't play, if Purdy can't play, if Purdy can't play.

Pretty might be back. But Adrian Martinez is the third stringer. I actually think he's kind of okay. The, no, Adrian Martinez, I think was the MVP. Oh. Of the UFL. I can't get track of which leagues are which now. Who's the Indiana?

I thought the Niners had an Indiana kid, no. A Curtis Warc. What is that? Yeah. High Fitz. Adrian Martinez, he started with the Lions, then he went to the Birmingham Stallions and won UFO MVP and was a UFL champion.

Kind of think he, actually would be weirdly fantasy relevant if he played for the Niners. But he was at Nebraska and then Kansas State, Craig. Yeah, but you think of Curtis Rourke. Curtis Rourke, yeah, yeah, who's on the team. So the, if you do need a quarterback for whatever reason, I do think Gino, it's kind of funny to chase Gino after he's played somewhat up and down, but obviously statistically, he had a huge day.

He was the top five quarterback last week, and they're playing the Bears, and I don't think the bear's defense is great. And so I do think Gino is worth chasing. After that, it gets a little squirley. There's not a lot of good stuff. I mean, next week is the beginning of the internet. national slate. We'll be in Dublin, obviously,

and it's going to be Steelers, Vikings. It's like, Wentz, Rogers playing in Dublin. I think you don't, you don't pick players playing overseas, especially backups. Like, it's just a mess out there. You know,

usually those games are bests. You don't really want to play Rogers versus the Vikings. Like, the Vikings are the team that Rogers played last year and got Robert Salaf fired because Rogers played so poorly. The offense is more of like Rogers is, his ceiling most games is going to be 200 yards,

and you hope that he can get to two touchdowns. That's kind of about it. And again, usually the international games. Sometimes it takes a little bit for these teams to find their footing out there. Sometimes literally if you're in Brazil. Good one.

So there's not, there honestly aren't a ton of quarterbacks. Dude, go get Jackson Dart. I'll tell you. I mean, it appears Schefter tweeted that Dayball was, I think Schefter tweeted that dayball was non-committal about who's going to start next week.

If Dart, even if you're two, three weeks earlier and you've got to hold on to them, if you have kind of, if you have shitty quarterbacks on your team, if you're starting CJ Stroud and Trevor Lawrence every week, go get Dart because when he plays, He's going to be mobile, and he could immediately change the Giants overnight if he's electric.

And it's worth it. Keep starting C.J. Stroud, if you're going to have to drop somebody to pick up Carson Wentz. But DART is a worthy pick, in my opinion. The other guy, and yeah, that's the other thing, maybe even playing Stroud and he sucks. The other guy, unfortunately, I think Darnold is the guy that's pretty available that I think is worth picking up. I think the Seahawks offense, I do think they're going to keep, I mean, not as well as what do they beat the same to 64 to 6 or whatever. We didn't. We didn't.

Your son is, Jesus. Dick it didn't hit on it. Your Seahawks beat your Saints. You're two children. My Saints, that was a snowball game. It just immediately snowballed on them. It's like they were down big within like five minutes. I haven't seen a blow out that bad since the Super Bowl.

Yeah. It was great. I love a no stress Sunday where you don't have to worry about your team. It's like 21 zero with like four minutes left in the first quarter. It was amazing. I will say, yeah, but like to your point, Donald has looked, he, for what it's worth, he's played very, very efficiently.

Outside of that one really bad, I guess, well, it wasn't that bad, but the turnover late in the game where he got strips-sacked or whatever when they were going down and trying to win, that he's- Yeah, he's played pretty well otherwise, I would say. You know, I think according to PFF,

he's like one of their highest-graded passers, according to EPA for dropback, he's pretty efficient. So he's, you know, he's running the offense with efficiency. Hopefully it doesn't fall apart like he has in the past, but yeah, the Seahawks, man, they really just frigging blew the doors off the Saints. The problem with Darnold is that he plays on Thursday versus the Cardinals. And so if you're waiting on your quarterback to be questionable or whatever, that kind of sucks to have to make the decision on Thursday night.

Like that's not ideal. So if you kind of know you're like Stroud and you're like, I'm done with this or whatever, then you can do Darnold. If you're waiting on a questionable situation, then you'll see. I mean, also, if Jaden Daniels miss his time again, Marcus Mariotto, I mean, they're clearly going to use him the run. He runs a lot. a lot.

Tarad Taylor also ran quite a bit for the Jets. And there's a chance, I think, that Fields maybe misses a little bit of time here because he was ruled out from that game really early, which you don't speculate, of course, but felt like maybe this was a serious concussion. So, yeah, he's a guy to keep in mind here if Fields can't play again. Okay, cool. And defenses.

So there's one. I mean, look, Vikings, you don't need me to tell you, they scored many points and probably worth her picking up no matter of the opponent. Seattle's defense, I think, is legit. They're a wagon. I think the Packers defense is legit and Arrow wagon. The Eagles, Houston. I think if they're available, just go get them, whatever.

I don't know, sometimes people cut defenses for what reasons. The Bill's defense, if it's available in whatever reason. I was going to mention them, but I'm like, I saw them available. One league I'm in. And they're playing the Saints, like, you know, Vikings, Seahawks, Packers, Eagles, Houston, bills, just go get them. I also would say other teams, the Browns. This one's a little weird.

Brown's defense is clearly legit. On ESPN, they're available in 98% of leagues. Like, they're around. The Browns are around. The problems they play the Lions next week, I haven't seen Monday football yet, but you, listening to this, have. So, like, maybe you have the confidence

to play the Browns versus Detroit, but I will say, if you can find a different defense versus next week, then after the Lions, the Browns defense, which, again, just beat Green Bay. the Browns then play the Vikings and Carson Wentz in Europe, or that games in London. And then the Steelers, the Dolphins, and the Patriots.

So I think the Brown's defense, like, that could work out pretty well. The other ones are really like, the Chargers defense is legit. Like, it's very legit. And they play the Giants this week, and the Giants suck. So the Chargers defense is a phenomenal choice. I also think the Rams, this is probably a little bit controversial, but Rams played the Colts this week. I am personally of the opinion that Daniel Jones's

statistical comps only being the 2007 New England Patriots will probably run its course at some point. Okay. Sure. I don't love that, but all right. So I kind of just, yeah, I kind of think the Rams,

at some point Daniel Jones is going to look awful and I think that could be versus the Rams. I know that's a little more down bad, but that's why I listed 11 other defenses first. But I would certainly take the Chargers. over them. And I also kind of think even if you think it's crazy to pick a team against the cults, then I would do the Patriots who, they're playing Carolina. I think the Patriots are not awful on defense. And I think Carolina, I'm not worried about 30 nothing last week. Like I actually,

I kind of like Mike Vrable versus Bryce Young. So there you go. Yeah, we have breaking news. Adam Schaefter reports Falcons head coach Rahim Morris told reporters that offensive coordinator, Zach Robinson will now move from the coaching box down to the field. Danny Kelly, your response. The first response to this tweet is K. Sorry. The talk about it. It's just K.

K. That's my response also. Okay. Maybe there was a problem last week because they couldn't see Bryce Young from the field. Hmm. Is that low-hanging fruit? I guess that's office recording. Yeah, that's true. Good point.

You know, it's so funny, I think about all the time how sometimes you're like, why aren't they all up there, whatever? And then it's like, I, someone told me, one of the reasons Brian Dable wanted to be out in the booth with Sean McDermott for the, when Dable's running the bill's offense is he didn't want to see McDermott on the sideline because he thought McDermott would tell him to mix in a run in person, but would be less likely to do it on the radio. Yeah, that makes sense. And so it was like a personal reason. He wanted to be further from the coach. And you could eat up there. You can. You know, you can eat up there. You can sneak in a

hot dog. No problem. Mark Sanchez sneaks in a hot dog on the sideline. No one ever forgets it. Yeah. Do they know when they're going on camera? Because they do cut to the camera thing, but do you think they know or like... You just have to be aware. The booth is out of the house. You just have to be aware. It could be anytime. In the booth, it's just eating a hot dog and they cut to him. Like, they probably get, I guess you eat while you're on defense. I got to say, I think I'd be a booth guy. I feel like it's just much easier to see the field from up there. Yeah, I agree. Technology around you. I just don't like the idea of being down on that. I actually think it's a terrible view of the game off from the field. Yeah. It's, it's an awful view of the game.

So I don't know. It's interesting. But then you'd have to, you have to like talk on the phone to the quarterback and stuff. And so like just be in there to explain shit to them. Yeah, I mean, you're always,

you're always kind of radioing in. But I guess during timeouts and stuff. But like I've seen, you see coaches going over stuff with guys on. Yeah, yeah, you know, like the,

whatever, the tablet. Yeah. That seems like the communication is easier. It takes like the whole, almost all of half time to just go back and forth from the booth to the, Locker.

You're right though, Craig. The booth is definitely, they're probably like, probably the booth to be in the booth. Also, breaking news. Houston Rockets is Fred Van Fleet to where his ACL. Just like during summer workouts?

I guess so. Well, that sucks. DK, your response. Bummer. Yeah, you were big on Houston this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got Kevin Durant. I love you knew that.

Kevin Durant. I was doing a lot of, like, deep dive into the advanced stats on that. and agreed. Kevin DeRick going to Houston, I was kind of like, you know what? He's been on too many teams.

You can jump the shark. We talked about it. Too many teams. It's over. I just didn't care. If he wins the title on the, it doesn't matter. He's just like,

you're on too many teams. I totally agree. What do you think the limit is? Three? I guess it depends how long your career is. But. Yes, three. Three teams is about it.

LeBron did three teams. I even think a lot of people are kind of like, I don't know, Lakers, really? But like, that's probably, about it before people start to not take you seriously. Yeah, I just, I just can't keep up. Like Russell Wilson, Russell Westbrook's been on like nine teams. I have so many questions about Russell Westbrook.

He's passed around. Great. He is. He's probably had like four different teams in four different years if you look it up. Yeah, he's like Carson Wentz. Yes, he is. He's been on Denver. I mean, like, you could throw a rock and hit a team.

Russell Westbrook spent on. Yeah. we'll do an NBA season preview where we just talk about the next the entire time. Did we do the name game yet with the NBA? I forgot. The name game? We did. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just haven't done baseball. We've done hockey and basketball. Okay. Did we not do football?

I don't think so. The football one inspired it because we realized none of us knew what the Buffalo Bills were. We're like, what the fuck is a bill? I'm like, it's Buffalo Bill? like that's the bill. Because we were like, oh, the logo is the city. We're like, oh my God, the logo is the city. What, it's a bill?

Yeah. And none of us knew that. No. And we were like, what? Anyway. We should do baseball. Someone who's thing just got their mind blown. We should do baseball.

I don't know what the fuck of Cincinnati red is. Oh, no. Well, we might have done it because I know. It's a red stocking. It's red socks and they were the red stockings. Oh, I didn't know that. Two different red teams. They used to name the team.

There's a red socks and the red socks. And the white socks. They just named the teams after the socks they were wearing. Wasn't it the black socks as well way back in the day? Yep. There you go. Yeah. What's the black socks?

That was the white socks tainted themselves. I don't know if the black socks were a team. I think that was just like they were, you know, besmirched. Oh. I thought the black socks were a team. We must have done this because now it's all coming back. The clubs are because they're little bears. From 1881 into 1889, they were the Cincinnati Red stockings.

Then they turned into the Reds from 1890 to 52. to 1952. And then Cincinnati red legs from 53 to 58. Sean Parker got to them. And then they went back to Reds. Yeah. You're right, Hyatt.

The Black Sox refers to eight members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox who conspired with gamblers to lose the 1919 World Series. I'm sure that'll never happen again. Definitely hasn't happened, right? No. Maybe it's already happened. Kings Lakers, 01. Yeah.

Okay. Craig's ready to open up that. worms. Are you guys want emails? Yeah. Emails. How much,

well, how much, well, I guess we'll start tame and then we'll get to the butts. Oh, yeah. Okay. Clinton, we got an email from Clinton. Clinton. Seabone.

Clint? A good clarification on how Deacon had this running thing of whether I could rebuild Stonehenge if you gave me 30 people and an uninterrupted like 60 years. Sure. Clinton had a good clarification.

When it comes to Danny Hyfe, it's building Stonehenge. Is he just getting rocks up or does it have to align with the stars and measure time like actual Stonehenge? Excellent point. I was just thinking more about getting rocks up. Okay, me too. Good. Clinton thinks I can get the rocks together, less sure I can make.

I can't align that with the stars. That seems super hard. Yeah, yeah. But I do think we could make it extra hard. I feel like, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, glad that's settled.

Still stand, though. I don't think you'll get the rocks up, but that's fine. All right. Really heavy. those rocks. We also, yesterday we had a long conversation because about basically

I was, I guess it started with, I was saying, you know, like people don't like talking. People don't know what to do with their hands when they talk and they're standing up.

You want to hold the beer, you got to hold something. And I think that's because people genetically haven't actually stood on all, on just two legs for that long. We're still a young species. I think genetically like it just feels

like it's a little weird. Okay. Deep in your bones. It's still a little unnatural. Yeah. And I think down on all fours. And so that led. to a question where I was like,

when did people start? I guess it led to when did, how long people have been wiping their butts. Yeah. Because obviously we do it different. And we asked, is there anybody out there who actually knows that or has looked into that or could know that?

It seems the answer, it seems to go, if you will, hand in hand. It seems like as soon as people started walking, that's when we developed the butts. The answer, Ben emailed in. When they started walking.

Well, Ben emailed in. Ben. Bebon. He says, Hyphids may not have realized it, but the two questions of when people started walking and when they started wiping resolve each other elegantly. Humans started wiping at the same time they started walking because the transition from quadrupedal to bipedal locomotion made the gluteus maximus, or in other words, the ass became fat when we started walking. Like our butts got huge when we started walking.

And without upright walking, there'd be no cheeks and thus no need for wiping. what do you think, who do you think uses more toilet paper every day? Zendaya or Cal Raleigh? It's about geometry, surface area. What the fuck? I don't know, but this is what Ben said. And I was like, I just thought that alone was funny. Cal Raleigh, a.k.a. Big dumper.

The big dumper. Dude, Cal Ralee is having an all-time season. Most home runs in Mariners history, baby. So the fat or the ass, the more you're wiping. Trending that way. I don't think it's, the idea, I think, but anyway, more people emailed on this. and that was basically the idea. It's like being upright is why we actually had to start.

Wait, what's the Cal Raleigh Zendaya comparison for it unless it means bigger butt more wiping? Yeah, I think that is the idea. Also, he's just calling out Zadaya as not having a big butt. I know. I thought it was controversial from Ben. Pretty out of line from B-Bow. You should have said like a manual Forbes or something.

This is Flat Stanley. Flat Stanley. Go after Zendaya. The queen, good point. So offended. Yeah. Cal Raleigh, 58 homers. Fucking awesome.

It was pretty great. More than Ken Griffey ever hit, I believe. Yes. Wow. I think Griffey's high was 56. Big dumper. Big dump. Is that one of the best nicknames ever?

How many people have had a better nickname than Big Dumber? Like, you're holding this like, you'd have to go back into the early 1900. Big unit. All the Mariners, the big unit. The Mariners' best, the best two seasons of Mariners history are basically, basically a pitcher whose nickname was big dick and a hitter whose nickname was big ass. Randy Johnson's real name was Randy Johnson. Yeah, man.

Horny Dick. And his name was the big unit. There was a guy that came up in the major, in the, I believe it was in the Mariners minor leagues that was like really tall. And they called him the little unit, which seems really mean. They always used to do that. Like the big guy would always be like named Pipsqueak or something. The big unit. God, what a fucking great name.

Frank Thomas, the big hurt. The big hurt is so good. I don't get it. The big hurt? Just big hurt, just hurts? Yeah. She's gonna fucking hurt. You're gonna inflict pain.

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I like that. Yeah, big hurt. Pain don't hurt. Cool. Email us at Rearfancy Football at gmail.com. Like, maybe the best thing.

Some of the all-time great nicknames. Yeah, I want to know the best nicknames. Like, what's Tom Brady's one that no one ever used? uses. Tom Terrific or some bullshit. This name's Tom Brady. People with three syllables don't necessarily need a nickname. Isn't, if you go to PFR

or whatever, the Peyton Manning's is the sheriff, which no one ever once called him that in his life. That's like one of those things where if there's like a little documentary about him or saying, they don't want to say Peyton Manning, I have 500 times to call him the sheriff once, but like that's it. I know. I'm trying to think, like, are there

any, who's the best player ever that doesn't have any nickname? Ichero. No nickname? I can't imagine. I've never heard Ichiro referred to by anything. Is there nobody better?

I guess... I mean, Ichero is pretty incredible. How dare you? Would you say LeBron? On reference, Ichiro, oh, LeBron. Is he King James? Like, is that a name?

That's pretty popular. If you say the king, though, people, like, unfortunately know who you're talking about in basketball. So, which I think is kind of the definition of a nickname. It's a good question, though. You know?

I don't know the answer to that. Did Joe Montana have a nickname? Broad? No. That's Joe name is. Montana, it sounds, Joe Montana sounds like a nickname. It sounds fake.

Joe Cool. Yeah. I was trying to remember if they called that name of Joe Cool also. They called them Broadway. It's Joe, yeah. I mean, didn't we already answer it? It's Tom Brady.

Tom Brady doesn't have a nickname. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. We literally just said it. Yeah, Tom Brady is. not everything then. Well, he does according to PFR. But he does. No, but he doesn't.

Tom's horrific, I would say, is something I've heard. We should get, we've talked before it. We need to get a player on 12 reference. We want to get a nickname on there. They'll put anything on that website for the nicknames. The Pharaoh. No one is ever, Tom Brady?

No one has ever called Tom Brady the fucking Pharaoh. Imagine what kept the Brady be like, Pharaoh. What up the Pharaoh? What up the Pharaoh? Excuse me, the Pharaoh. Can I get your autograph? These are the nicknames on pro full of all reference. TB12, Tom Terrific, touchdown Tom.

I guess I've heard those. TB12 is like his company. So yeah, that's bullshit. That was like his health diet method. That's a book he wrote. Goat, which is, that's debatable. We call a lot of people to go. No, it's not.

The Pharaoh, comeback kid, or sir? Sir. Sir. Like Mr. Sir from holes? Sir Tom Brady Mr. Sir from what a fucking A pole

Shouts out John Voight That movie rocks Craig Thomas Tomas is a seminal text That people older than us Have never heard of And don't know Holes

I have seen holes And red holes More than I think Any other book movie combination Holes is one of the Red holes Things to me that I don't think Dek has ever

Of Well that's too damn bad Yeah That's the only thing you're I'm tired digging holes Grandpa He just Peaches and onions.

Peaches and onions. I have no idea what the context is. Peeches and running these holes, though. I can fix that. Oh, so good. Is there any Weber's an absolute B in that movie? So good. So good.

There's so many people in that movie. Henry Winkler's in that film. Rick Fox is randomly in it. Rick Fox? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Patricia Arquette, John Voight, Tim Blake Nelson, Shailabuff.

It's a fat cast. Bangor. All right, let's get out of here. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kaj. Thank you, Austin. and thank you, Ron.

Thank you, everybody, for listening. Reminder our next week's waiver episode. We're going to put the waivers on the back of the Sunday episode. We won't have a Monday once. We will have Monday once going forward after that. We'll be in Dublin. Follow us on YouTube. Follow us on TikTok.

We're going to be a Dublin. We'll post shenanigans. It'll be fun. Have you guys been to Ireland? No. I have. None of us. D.K.

We've never been Ireland, Craig and I. Email us more Ireland, Rex. Thank you for all their recommendations. People send us to Dublin. And yeah. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Dyer Straits.

Nice. Money for nothing. Six song. Chicks for free. That song's like one of the all-timers. One of the great hooks, right? Or whatever you would call that. I don't know what the technical term is.

Yeah, the like the guitar. The riff. The riff. Yeah. It's like the preamble for whatever it's called. Great song. Also, Solons of Swing, Bangor. You would know that if you played it.

An all-time song. I don't know. names of any of these songs I'm not going to lie. Their big one, their big one is money for nothing. Yes. I want my MTV.

MTV? Aren't they from the 70s? No. I think that song was from the 80s. Yeah. Money for nothing and the chicks for free. You don't know that? That ain't working.

That's the way you do. do it. They released that in 85. Money for nothing and the chicks for free. It's always, there's like, there's like all these fun 80s references in it. You've got to install microwave oven. Is that a joke? You serious?

No, it's in it. We got to move these refrigerator. Yeah. We've got to move these refrigerators. We've got to move these color TVs. It's great. This is a famous song. Huge song.

What are you talking about, Hyphids? You never. Okay, fucking play the song, you'll recognize it. Play money for nothing. Money for nothing. It'll take a while. It takes like a minute and a half before it really starts. Yeah, a classic 80s song where it's just you're waiting around forever.

They didn't worry that you being able to find other things. There's a lot of foreplay. Nowadays, we want our sex with no foreplay. You know, it's a great song that is literally called ForPlay Long Time is from Boston, which has like a two-minute opening kind of instrumental thing before the song starts. That's great. I was a big Boston fan growing up. That was another.

I had a CD. I used to just play ping pong in my garage growing up and play my parents' CDs on like the stereo in the garage. And it's why I love, like, it's why I love Abba and ACDC and Boston because it's just all the CDs lying around. Craig still got it with the ping pong too, man. I played you when we were at Spotify offices like a year ago and you fucking wop my ass. I was I was humbled. Craig's pretty good at ping pong.

Yeah. It was pretty good. I'm listening to this song now, Money for Nothing. I have never heard this song or more likely I've probably heard this song, but I have zero, not even an inkling of, oh yeah, I remember this, not even a little. God, that fucking blows my mind. It's good though. It's got a good riff.

Dude, wait, quickly. It's like one of the most famous guitar riffs of all time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Quickly put on sultons of swing Because I think like the first five seconds You'll know if you know it or not Because that's what the song sounds like

The guitar kind of riff It's like a real vibey song You could just throw it on in it It's a great driving song Hold on hold the phone Oh yeah, I know this song Oh yeah, this gets played all the time Yeah, great song

You know this song but you don't know fucking Yeah, this is a one Dude, this is welcome to culture, D.K. This was definitely used in some television show that, like, made 30 years after this people made this song. It sounds like it's like the intro song for True Detective, but it's not. Oh, yeah, wait. This is definitely in a show. It's going to come to me.

I think, D.K., this song has the most streams on Spotify. I just think the Money for Nothing guitar riff is so iconic. It's hard to believe you've never heard it. I got to find Sultan's swing what montage it's from. Also, walk of life is also big. We do the walk of life. Do do do do do. do do you know that song

do do do do do yeah I think dire straits is a pretty cool band name so cool I don't really know a lot about them they're British I think yeah

formed in 1977 we are the soldiers of swing yeah I got to tell I don't know where I know the song from but yeah I've heard it I tried all right well

I got really distracted listening to listen to the song and I should have ended the show like a while ago that's all right end the show and get right back on there Tosta Cans.com. Cants.

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