The Ringer NFL Show - Listener Mailbag: Sell-High WRs, Sleeper TEs, and Surprise Offenses

Episode Date: September 5, 2022

We answer listener questions about the fantasy players we are most afraid to play against on a Monday night, offenses who could surprise and disappoint this year, players with inflated value over the first half of the season, why Hunter Henry is not higher in our rankings, and much more. Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for tiers, sleepers, and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, what's up, everyone? If you are drafting today, tomorrow, and you're trying to prep at the last minute, we would recommend a couple episodes for you to listen to. The players, no one's talking about before your draft on August 31st. We did Sleepers 2.0, August 29th, and the perfect draft pick in each round for August 26th. If you are the last second trying to prep for your draft today or tomorrow, we would recommend those episodes. Also, we have our rankings at fantasyf football.

Dot the ringer.com that has our rankings. And also, if you click on the little position tabs, you can see our tiers at each position that we would follow, and that's got standard half-p-r and full point per reception scoring. Check that out. All right, let's get to today's episode. Good to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphids.

I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, and today we are doing a mail bag. We're recording this on Friday, releasing this on Monday for Labor Day, but we're recording this on Friday, and we're just going to get to all your questions. So we got fantasy, a lot of other weird stuff you guys ask. We're just going to jump into it.

We got an email from Tom, and he says, two of my friends Tom Tom Tom two of my friends worked in a warehouse with a pro bowl defensive back

who shall remain nameless during the 2020 off season at one point my friends asked him this pro all pro defensive back who is one wide receiver

who is largely regarded as good but when they line up across from you you are not worried at all about what they're going to do on the field

and the defensive back instantly without hesitation replies Tyler Boyd Damn, tough beat. Yeah, it's rough. So I also do want to note, I followed up with this person over email and they provided evidence. And this did, like, I can prove, like, they provided proof that this actual defensive back, they were working with them.

So I believe this story. Okay. Now, Tom follows up to ask, I want to ask you guys the same question, but in terms of fantasy, what player is largely regarded as like a good fantasy player? But when you see them in your opponent's lineup, you are not worried. Ooh, I like this one. I like this one. Great question. Because that, you know, everybody knows that feeling on Monday night when you're down 15. Or you're up 15.

You're up 15. They have one player left. And like, you know, if it's Christian McCaffer, you're sweating. But honestly, you know who I thought of this for? I kind of scrolled our rankings and I was like, who am I afraid of? And going through the top guys, you're like, yeah, afraid, afraid, afraid. DeAndre Swift does not scare me at all. If I, if I, like, 15 point lead and DeAndre Swift's there, I'm not like, oh, well, I'm done.

Quicken. Yeah. I think it's players who only do one thing that don't scare me. DeAndre Swale's scares me because he's a running back and essentially a receiver. And the lions could be losing and it could be the fourth quarter. They're down 20. And DeAndre Swift catches four passes for 60 yards in the final drive of the game. Mainly, I guess more like the Nick Chub types.

I'm like, all right, as long as he doesn't run for like a hundred yards and a touchdown, like I'll be fine. I hate the guys who are, I basically want players on bad offenses or guys who only do one thing. And that's why it's like a Nick Chub or, you know, I guess a nodgy if the Steelers suck. I wrote down Nick Chub too. And it's not because he's not good because I think Nick Chub is probably literally the best running back in the NFL. But like, yeah, he doesn't catch passes. You're not going to worry about him catching like randomly catching 10 passes and just dominating. He really needs to score multiple touchdowns if you're going to like lose to him in that specific week.

So this is essentially the question is like what fantasy players are sort of high floor and low ceiling? The other guy that came to mind was Amari Cooper. I just, sorry Browns. I guess I'm like shitting on the bounds. I never feel scared when I'm going up against Mari Cooper for whatever. Receivers hard because they could just catch a 60-yard touchdown and your whole night's ruined.

Running back, it's like this slog. You know, they have to have a good game for four quarters. They got to get 22 touches. They got to average five yards of carry. They got to get all the goal line rushes. There's a lot that needs to happen for like Nick Chubb to put up 20. But like, Justin Jefferson could put up 20 to quarter.

Right. All right. next question we got here. This is from, we got to screen this stuff. We got Seymour boobs. Seymour boobs. Hilarious. This guy's been in the woods a lot lately. Which offense that people are assuming is going to be good for fantasy, do you not trust? And vice versa, which offense that people are assuming is going to be bad for fantasy, do you secretly believe in? Good question. Oh, I didn't read this carefully enough. Oh, cool. Good job. So I put, the way I interpreted it was everyone's assuming that this offense is can be good, but they might be bad. It's not necessarily that I distrust this team, but since we've

been talking about the Vikings so much, I'm going to throw the Vikings out there. Oh. I think that they'll be good, and I'm actually confident in the Vikings this year, but it feels like we're putting a lot of chips in the Vikings, like, you know, basket or what's the expression? Chips in the basket. Eggs in the basket. We're putting all our eggs in the vice chips in the, like, chips in the middle of the table. Like pushing all our chips in. There we go. That's it. Chips in the basket. Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like, obviously, Justin Jefferson, Dalvin Cook, and then Kirk Cousins is like, Kirk Cousins. Like, what if Kirk Cousins just goes off the rails and like sucks this year?

New coach. Yeah, but aren't they always good? Like, I feel like Jefferson Thielen Cook, they're always good. Well, no, our whole thing is new coaching staff, they're going to be good because, you know, and we're like, well, what if, yeah, I see what if they're just not? What if they're just not? Yeah, I guess. I just, I'm not saying I distrust the Vikings.

I just think we all kind of are assuming the Vikings are going to be awesome, and they might not be. I think there's three teams I thought of. I mean, obviously the Titans, I don't really trust their offense, but like they're all kind of priced. It's not really for Derek Kennedy's foot, just everything around there. I just don't like Derek Kennedy. That's not the same thing. I think Dallas, this is a little obvious, but like, I mean, man, I've never seen a team that has such an insane on-off splits as with an offensive lineman. But like Tyrone Smith coming off for Dallas is like the Warriors without Steph Curry.

It's kind of nuts. Like they're just not the same team. And they, you know, they're replacing with Tyler Smith, who they drafted in the first round. Tyler Smith, you know, D. you talked about it like the whole year of just he's a very raw prospect. And then they spent all training camp playing Tyler Smith at guard. So this is a raw tackle prospect who practice a different position who now is to replace. That's not good.

Like young offensive tack, every time, if you sort most sacks in a single game, all those dudes went against the rookie offensive tackle like Tyler Smith, honestly. That's a Dallas is one that comes to mind. And that's a team that scored the most points in the NFL last season. And, you know, Dallas, the last three years has always had really stacked offenses. right? They had like the best aligned in the league. Zeke was fully in his prime. They had Amari Cooper, Citi Lamb, Michael Gallup.

A lot of that is changed, and I still think the name brand value of the Dallas Cowboys is sticking with us. Who's the wide receiver too? Exactly. Like Noah Brown? Jaylen Tolbert, Noah Brown? Yeah. The other team I would throw out there is Buffalo in terms of a team that we're just kind

of blindly trusting Josh Allen is a QB1. Stefan Diggs is like a first round pick. And I'm like, we haven't in this pod. We've not talked a lot about like we have Josh Allen as our top quarterback. we haven't really recommended like taking him, you know, where he's going in drafts. And I think part of it, we just are like, yeah, the basic story on the bills is twofold. Well, they had this entrenched coaching staff that took this raw prospect, Josh Allen, and refined him over years, learned how he learns, taught him everything. And he went from like literally the worst completion percentage in the NFL to an MVP candidate with the best rise in completion percentage and unbelievable starter.

Then that guy left and we're like, yeah, it's fine. Yeah, Dave all not being there is like a big storyline that none of us have talked about. Like, what do we know about Ken Dorsey? I mean, obviously he's been there. He knows the system. He knows Josh Allen. But there's so much more that goes into play calling than just knowing the offense or, you know, what I mean?

Like, there's sequencing, reacting on the fly. Like, it's a chess match. Literally, like, you're reacting to a million different variables throughout a game and having to, like, manage them and come up with the best plays to defeat whatever defense that they're throwing at you. This is the NFL. The other guys are paid too. So I think like play calling is such an art.

That's the ultimate. It's the ultimate cliche. The other guys also get paid. But I mean, I do think it's just like it is their play calling is a lot different than being like knowing the offense. You know what I mean? You know the most underrated part of play calling is you're so right. They have to get the play call in like eight seconds. That's the thing.

You got to be so fast. It's so it's not fucking madden where you get. 25 seconds. Like, because they have, Josh Allen has to call the play, get to the line, you know, point out the safety. The safeties move up. Audible the line. Put someone in motion. Like, I'm not exaggerating to say the quarterback has to do about 20 things. Right. In about like 30 seconds. That's why you always see quarterbacks. This is a huge tangent. It's like you always see quarterbacks like looking at the sideline like going like waving their hand. Like come on, hurry.

Get the plate calling. Fucking give you the play. decide on the play immediately. And it's like, you know, it's, it's, so we'll see.

But I think the bills are the answer to this. It's an interesting one for sure. Yeah. All right. We got an email from Conzo. Wait, we didn't do the,

we didn't do the bad offenses that might be good. Oh, okay. Yeah. Real quick. There's a couple here that I wanted to point out. Craig,

you're going to love this. The Steelers. Wow. The Steelers, to me, are just one of these offenses that they've got so many good players, but we all assume

they're going to fucking suck. And I understand definitely that it's related to the quarterback situation. But what if what if Chubisky is just like league average? What if Kenny Pickett comes in and is like pretty good for a rookie? Like this offense could actually be good. I understand that the offensive line's not

very good, but man, they just got so many good skill players and maybe these guys can just make up for the fact that their offensive line isn't that great in the quarterback situations in flux. Well, yeah, what's the, is it the Winston Churchill quote? Like, they're an enigma wrapped inside of a riddle or whatever. I think that was Patrick Starr.

The intermechanations of my mind is an enigma. Yeah, I agree with you about Pittsburgh. Another team I think everybody's really down on, especially because of all the offseason hullabaloo is Arizona. I kind of think Arizona is going to be good offensively. Yeah. Yeah. We're all forgetting that Kyler Murray is just a perennial top five quarterback.

And I think Marquise Brown is going to be good. James Connor is going to be really good. The Cardinal score a ton of fucking points and put up a lot of yards. And I actually think that Kyler Murray play calling kind of like, Tiff with the front office. Him and Cliff Kingsbury seem to have always been fine. So I don't know. I actually think Arizona is kind of a by-low.

I don't think they're going to be a good team, but I think they're going to be a fantasy-friendly offense. I think every year there's a storyline that's so big that the fact that it is a storyline actually probably affects the story itself. Like last year, Aaron Rogers and having gone on with Green Bay was such a big story that I actually think it truly did probably motivate Aaron Rogers Rogers and like alter his behavior enough to like actually play better. I actually do think the Cardinals video game thing with Kyler

was such a... Sometimes these guys pretend to not hear the noise. There's no way that this does not actually make Kyler spend more time every day trying to like play football. It's not the same. This is a superstar who is just constantly used to receiving praise and everybody kissing your ass. He's literally the best player in the history of Texas high school football.

He's practically never lost a football game until he got to the NFL. And now people are questioning his dedication. his ability, his intelligence. I don't know. I think Kyler could go scorched earth, as they say. It's kind of like, I know it's not like unknown, but I just always think it should be said with Kyler as the prologue is 41 and O

in Texas high school football, three state championships, goes to Oklahoma, drafted in baseball, wins as Heisman, and his only season as a starter, loses one game that's, makes it the college football playoff, loses two losses till he's like 21 years old in football, lost two games. Yeah. And then like, you know what I mean? And it's just like, it's like Leo de Caprio gets broken up with by a 25 year old.

He starts having to date 30 year olds. And then like two years go by and people are like, does this guy care? It's like, yeah. So I think that's a good one, Craig. Although you know who's a Glansberg? It's Marquis Brown. We probably haven't spent enough time talking about the upper bound of like, what if Marquis Brown and Kyler Murray like, do you know what I mean?

Like Markees Brown with Lamar versus Kyler's deep ball. Kyler has such a better deep ball than Lamar. Such a good call. this is a good segue Haifitz, read the next question. Oh, so well, there go. So Conzo asked Andrew the freaking Angie.

Love Andrew WK. Andrew WK.K once hosted a game show called Destroy, Build, Destroy, where teams blew up an object, built vehicles out of them and the destroying the other team's vehicle. That sounds amazing. That's like the party lifestyle right there.

It does sound cool. Which players could give early value, serve as a trade piece, and finally blow up in your league mate's face. So yeah, that's a good one. Markies Brown. That is a good one. And or Tyler.

DeAndre Hopkins suspended for six games of the season. Like, you know, Markey's Brown, number one in Arizona. I think that... The only problem with that is it's not a secret. Like, if you're trying to shot Markees Brown in week six, everyone's like, hey, man, I know what you're up to. Part of that, too, is like you could wait. I mean, obviously, this is a risk, but you can wait a couple weeks after Hopkins gets back.

And if he still has a couple good weeks, then you can solve it. Because the Cardinals collapsed in the second half of the season every year. And their offense just falls apart. Kyler Murray gets hurt, whatever the issue is. and then they completely fall off the cliff. But yeah, I think big part of it is you have to get someone that's not paying attention to the DeAndre Hopkins News. I think the real answer to this is, is you don't know who the player is yet,

but you'll know what it happens. It's like with the Supreme Court with porn. You can't describe it until you see it, but you know when you see it. It's like Mike Williams in 2021. Like we all knew when Mike Williams was the number one ride receiver in fantasy in week five that this wasn't going to continue. It's a mental battle of can I understand that this. value is going to drop and can I

can I play it smart and you know sell high as they say? Selling high is so hard. There's six guys. You know, it's selling high is the hardest thing to do. We'll talk about this more as we get into the season but selling high is the hardest thing to do because every year there's about eight guys that are on a tear after a month, two months

and you're like, do I sell high or do I stick with it? And only one of those eight people is actually worth holding onto the whole season. Right. Like one will be Cooper Cup but the odds are they will not be. They will be more like Mike Williams. Exactly.

And like you always think it's your guy. But it's not. Odds. You got to play the odds. Exactly. And so it's tough. With that said, I do think that,

you know, we always talk about like having a receiver who could like be that top guy for you. And maybe we could probably have done a better job kind of explaining that it doesn't have to be the whole season. Like sometimes you just need that guy to be hot for a stretch. You know, Mike Williams last year,

you know, we probably lost people for games when he cooled down. But the first five weeks of the season, Mike Williams probably, one people done again. Markies Brown in the first six weeks. We probably underrated how much Markies Brown might just be a top 10 receiver by, you know, mid-October. So we'll see. I'm very interested in that one. He's probably the best one.

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DK, do you know what that means, Zaddy? No. DK, you're a Zaddy. I'm not sure. He's a similar question of this, which is, is Michael Carter the Jets running back a relevant running back for the first five weeks? And then after that, if Breeshall takes over,

who do you think would be a good option? I think, I agree. I do think Michael Carter probably will be, like, a good second running back if you've gone elsewhere, like a flex option-ish piece. Like, he's probably more just depth running back, but he's like serviceable for the first month or so, right, DK? Yeah.

He's the guy almost put on the last question where after a good month, if he's like producing, he's still the quote unquote starter for the team, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like that could be a good situation where you sell high and eventually expect that Breece Hall is going to take over in that backfill as the season goes on, even if they still split reps, like maybe it switches. So he was another guy I had in mind for this. And so that's why you have to kind of keep in mind how the rotate.

is going to work and how teams have treated rookies in the past. Like the post-by rookie bump is a real thing in fantasy. And in the sense that a lot of times these rookies are just playing catch up the entire time. Like there's a playbook. It's extremely difficult to learn a playbook. It gets into the rhythm of an NFL season. A lot of times you go from college to the NFL and your schedule is completely different. You have to kind of get used to that.

There's a lot of physical rigors. It's a longer season than the college season. So anyways, long story short, a lot of times rookies have a really good second half of year once they've kind of like figured out how to be a pro so keeping that keeping that in mind can be a good way to like sell high on stuff i'm a fan of frankenstining the rb2 position it's it's the it's the position i care the least about because it's the one that you can most effectively supplement via the waiver wire and drafting guys like michael carter starting them for a little while drafting guys like kenneth walker and hoping not hoping but you know perhaps rachad penny gets banged up

and kenneth walker comes in the second half the season like i think all that type of stuff picking up Jeff Wilson on the waiver wire if Eliza Mitchell gets banged up. That is kind of like my ideal cheap way to kind of run your RB2 position. Yeah, the guys who will be more valuable earlier in this season, like the Mike Davis's,

who probably might start for the Ravens in week one. Michael Carter, Melvin Gordon, is probably going to be more valuable in the first couple months than later. And then, yeah, later your absence, Jeff Wilson or Tyrion Davis Price, I just really, I mean, I don't wish anyone gets... Yeah. I don't wish anyone gets hurt.

I just really am doubtful Elijah Mitchell makes it through a season as the name is running back. That's why we ranked him so low. Jeff Wilson's going to win like a lot of people fantasy championship. And he's injury prone too. So it's like, I think every week Jeff Wilson starts is a top 20 running back.

And then when he gets hurt too, it's Terry and Davis Price. Like those are two guys, if you're like a 14 team league roster if not just keep an eye on waivers. James Cook for the bills, maybe the second half the season. But like, you know,

it's tough depending on the, I'm not saying roster of those guys or like the Jeff Wilson's yet maybe. But they're stashes. Got an email from Tom. Tom. Which players this year are like crypto? My best,

and Tom writes my best example in the past is Josh Gordon. He made a select group of weirdos, really rich. And then there was a cult built around him about owning him long after he was done being valuable. And I was like, wow. Just inserting crypto commentary into the podcast here. Right. Clearly Tom is not long on Bitcoin.

So, well, Tom then says another example could be if someone that the nerds liked and then Matt Damon told us to buy it in February and that it immediately takes. As soon as Tom Brady put laser eyes in his profile. file picture on Twitter, like the price went like half. Well, Craig just mentioned Rashad Penny, and I have to say in December, yes. Rashad Penny was literally like the number two running back at all of fantasy. Yes.

And like in December, Bitcoin was like $65,000. And then now it's like, I don't want Rashad Penny on my team. Yeah. I mean, you could make the argument Rashad Penny is like GameStop stock. But I, it's honestly pretty spot on. I mean, I wrote it down as well. It really is Rashad Benny. A couple other guys like, Amon Ross Ait Brown.

Number two receiver, and now we got him like number 30. Gabriel Davis, literally just because of that one game in the playoffs. And then fucking Trey Lance, man. I mean, like, I wouldn't say he made a bunch of people rich last year, but, you know, maybe people streamed him those two seasons and the hype around him and the draft capital that we're telling people to invest in him. Who knows? Maybe he's going to make people rich the first six weeks and then get benched.

Yeah, we're selling Trey Lans's Bitcoin and we hope he's not like Libra or whatever. We're like selling Trey Lance the way Elon Musk pumps up Dogecoin on Twitter. Yeah. The difference is like we're not smart enough to profit off everyone else not having Tray Lance. Like other people would have figured out how to do that. We just didn't figure that out. How do you short, hey, how do you short him? Yeah, that's a good question. Not having him. One day we'll unveil and create the fantasy football stock market and we'll make a lot of money. We should have, we should have invent a fantasy Ponzi scheme. That sounds good. According to Craig, we already have one because this is useless and pointless time and energy spent prepping for

podcasts. It's not a Ponzi scheme. It's just a waste of time. Okay, I wrote down Antonio Gibson. How could you guys forget about Antonio Gibson here? He's going to be the starter for the first four weeks because literally Brian Robinson got shot, which I know is a terrible situation and everything. But like once Robinson comes back.

A terrible situation and everything. Okay, yeah, I didn't plan out how I was going to perfectly say the part of my Brian It's fine, it's fine, we all get it, we all know no one, yeah He's gonna be okay Anyway, Antonio Gerson made a lot of people money last year, probably the nerds Select group of weirdos Did he though? He was fine, like he was fine, I guess he was good It wasn't like Josh Gordon

My friend still thinks Josh Gordon is the best wide receiver of all time because he had him the one year He had 1600 yards on his fantasy team and is just convinced Here's another one. High Fitz, you're going to love this. Mike Davis. Wow. But Mike Davis sucks last year. Why did you say?

Mike Davis is going to be the starter for the Ravens for the first like four or five weeks until we get J.K. Dobbins back to full health. I don't get, I don't, I feel like you're not invested in crypto. You're on, you're doing the relevant R.B. In the first month question. We're on the crypto question. I feel like you've conflated the two.

This is who is a slag. Okay. The best example is Josh Gordon. I get that. But like this is, are we talking about? about players in the past that have been good and Nali suck? This is, yes, this like, what flash in the pan has influenced your opinion on somebody so much that it actually doesn't align with their value?

But whose stock also, well, I thought it more as whose stock has cratered because crypto's been cut in half this year. Wow, none of us were answering this. I was just kind of picturing it. I was picturing it too much, like, for the first few weeks, everyone's going to pump up this guy. Everyone's going to tell him how great he is, and then it's going to be not bad. It's going to, like, his value is going to crater immediately.

is predicting the crypto rise and we're kind of talking about it differently but that's, I get what you're saying now. I feel like no one's going to be like, wow, Mike Davis had a great couple weeks. I guess he'll just keep the job over J.K. Dobbins. It's funny that even when we're trying to just compare crypto to something, it's still confusing and nobody really

gets it. No, it's just kind of nod. Yeah, but what's its utility, Craig? Like, is it a real asset? It's better than fiat money. It's the blockchain, Craig. So when man invented fire, Fortune favors the bull.

Talk to any crypto person long enough, and they'll eventually talk about fire. It's just, it's like the fire, and then it's like the electricity, and then the internet, and it's like, boom. Governments. It's pretty much just Scientology for money. You literally have to say Fiat every time you talk about it. Fiat currency. My mom had a Fiat. That's different Fiat, but yes.

she paid for it with fiat let's get the hell away from this crypto question okay yeah stop it's sweetly I don't understand crypto okay we got an email book glensburgs from a fellow Danny Danny Danny just wanted to quickly bring up glandsberg so glensberg he wasn't even mentioned in the glensburg we're not mentioning glensberg pod that man is hunter henry patriots tight end daddy says that of the multiple fantasy football podcast I've literally only heard hunter henry's name mentioned once and it was the only time was because someone at misspoke and meant to say Hunter Renfro. And Hunter Henry is such a Glansberg.

I would be surprised that you realized he scored nine touchdowns last year. Should I feel awful with Hunter Henry as my top tight end? Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah, probably. Basically, Hunter Henry's not dissimilar to Damien Harris in the way that they perform last year. Essentially, a lot of Patriots value was inflated because of kind of unpredictable touchdowns scoring.

Derek Henry, I mean, Hunter Henry, geez, I just misspoke right there. Hunter Henry never actually said it. his name on purpose. Faith is a fact, Craig. Fonda, faith is a fact. Oh, God. Hunter Henry was the 11th best tied in points per game.

But like his points, you know, he scored like eight points a game. He was with like Ertz, Logan Thomas, Goddard, Noah fan. He was just like one of all of them. There's no difference. But the reason why he was up there with them is because he was second and end zone

targets and more importantly, first in red zone touchdowns. He had nine tied with Mark Andrews. But he saw a very low target share, 14% of the teams, which is not very high. And basically, when he scored a touchdown, he was a top 12 tight end,

and when he didn't score touchdown, he was not even in the top 18. The reason why he's not up there is that he's extremely touchdown dependent. He scored nine last year, and we don't expect that to happen again. And adding to that, Johnny Smith was, like, not really a big part

of the offense last year. They just, number one, he's been a huge, like, hype guy during Patriots training camp. Apparently, he's gotten a ton of looks in the offense. They've got this whole new offense kind of geared around him.

They got rid of their fullback. And so they're maybe going to use, John O Smith as a de facto fullback style player, you know, and... Well, DeGa, let me throw a number on that to punctuate that point by Johnna Smith. Last year, this is from Nathan John K. PFF. Hunter Henry ran 400 routes last year. Johnny Smith ran 160. So Hunter Henry had almost 250 more routes than John O'Smith.

And in the preseason, like week three, where they played a whole half, they were in the same amount. So Hunter Henry... It's going to be a fantasy nightmare because you're going to have a platoon at type of. end and you don't want that. And the other thing is, they just restructured his contract today, which is like essentially giving him more money now, whatever, like pushing the cap hits later. He is going to be a big part of this offense, it feels like, based on all the actions that they've made, the money they paid him.

Why wasn't he a bigger factor last year? I don't know. I need to like go research that. I do remember hearing there was like some, he had COVID or there was some issues with COVID early in the season. He kind of got behind in training camp. And then he just like never really caught up and got ingrated, became part of the offense like fully like they expected him to. I need to, I need to like go back and look that up.

But there was just a lot of extenuating circumstances from where I understand that he just didn't kind of like get into the offense like the way that they expected him to. Because like Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith got paid almost the exact amount of money. So would you guys say that you were higher on Janu or Hunter Henry this year straight up? Well, Johnny Smith has never had more than 450 yards in a season. And I kind of just can't get over that. Like, gun to my head, I'd probably pick Hunter Henry, but I would just avoid this tight end group because it's probably going to be

like the Browns have had where you have two tight ends. And if you have two tight ends, you have none in fantasy. It's pretty crazy that the Patriots still, despite High Fitz's take on the take purge from last Friday, they could still very well make the playoffs. And yet they might not have a single interesting fantasy football player on their entire offense. They don't. They don't.

Well, I guess. Gamble. Yeah. Take David and Joku if he's there over Hunter Henry. I just, just do it. They don't have a single guy that's top 20 at their position in fantasy football. Take Pat Fryermouth. Take David and Joku, take Irv Smith over Hunter Henry.

I just, you know, you can. But so anyway. All right. You want you guys a completely different question? Sure. I got an email from, I'm going to leave this person's name out. Okay. Starts with S.

They'll know who they are. S. It's about porn in the woods. Let's go. And if you haven't been listening, you'll get it now. Oh, whoa. Wow. Cut that.

Just docks them. Can you bleak that name? Can you bleep that? Oh, sure. Beep it. That's really funny, though. I should just, uh. Reading the email and I just like bleep it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just read the name. Yeah. All right. He writes, as a full-fledged old guy, I'm here to back up Danny Kelly. Hell yeah. Hiding porn in the woods and finding porn in the woods was 100% a thing back then. I'm not meaning this as bragging or some why back in my day rant.

It's the opposite. It's just how sad things were at the end of the 20th century. In the days before the internet, the most accessible form of porn for pre-pubescent teens was in print. There were movies, but they were only available in like heavily monitored special rooms at the video store. He said pubescent for the record, not pre-pubescent. Oh, my God. Boys in puberty, to be specific. I don't want to, like, gloss over that fact.

Okay. Okay, yeah. Maybe you were lucky and had a friend with Cinemax on their cable package, but then you'd have to stay up late and hope their parents were heavy sleepers because there was only one cable box and a sleep up to the living room. No, your best bet was always magazine, small, portable, easy to hide. If your dad had someone in his sock drawer, you could sneak one out while he was still at work, flipped through it, returned it before he got home.

You'd have to be pretty balls that you'd try the game of shame chicken. that you guys discussed in the show, I never knew anyone that brave. I once helped a friend build a fort in the woods behind his house. And the unspoken purpose of this fort was always to store porn. I'm speaking now of them. You could call it perhaps a porn hub, if you will. Oh.

We would do dumpster dives down at the local convenience store at the end of the month because when the new magazines arrived, they tossed the old ones in the trash. It's like bagels. This is like enterprising. It's like you go to a bagel shop at the end of the day and they give you all the bagels for free in a bag. Seinfeld when they just do the muffin tops

and they're like, what do we do with all the stumps? And they got to throw them out. Amazing. So they dumpster dive for the porn bags. Then we'd stash them in the fort where we wouldn't have to worry about them being discovered by our parents. No, there was not any masturbation at the fort, at least not when I was there.

But the fort wasn't at my house. There were other party spots in the woods where older kids would go to drink beer and get high. Sometimes you might find it in an abandoned magazine there, straight up shoplifting was always an option. I knew a guy who would slip a porno into a regular magazine, then bring to the register and pay for it. That wouldn't work with the high end stuff like Playboy,

too thick, too many ads. But the hardcore stuff was like... Too much good reading in there. Yeah. Too many interviews. The articles are why I buy it. But the hardcore stuff was like 40 pages. You could sneak that in the middle of an SI.

Wow. This is... Very detailed and I 100% know what exactly what I say. And he wraps it by saying, remember the sweaty tension when McLeod's, is in the liquor store. That's pretty much what we had to endure.

Any time we wanted to look at pictures of boobs. Old enough. Anyway, that was life as a horny teen before everything went digital. Be happier in the internet age. Did you ever, Diki, did you ever shoplift a nudie mag?

No. But I know that that, like the slip it in the other magazine thing, that's just like a, it's a well-known trick. I like that. Oh, yeah. People used to put like candy bars

and slurpees and then buy them. I don't know if they still do this, but back in the day, they'd have the plastic wrapping around the porn mag because they'd put like a cardboard piece in front of the cover because it was like to cover it. Too graphic. So you'd slip it out of the plastic sheath

and put it into another magazine or whatever. How would you know it was just a cardboard covering so you couldn't see the magazine at all? How did you know what the magazine is? Well, they'd cover everything up into the title. Oh, yeah. Free the nip. Man.

And now a funny follow-up of what the internet age is like. We got an email from Isaiah, who is a seventh grade teacher and says every kid in the school has been issued an iPad and they said the kids had a contest to figure who could download the best VPN and look up porn hub at recess

and he says needless to say the VPN did not work and the staff could see everything and everywhere the content quote unquote content was accessed and the principal quite the job on his hands. Boys are just little wild animals

running around. Ferrell. Seriously. Ferrell. What is with the people names that emails? Someone said, Stickman. Nice. You get an email from Stickman.

Stickman. Who are the cheap teammate pairs? This is the most ridiculous segue I've ever done. Stickman asked, who are the cheap teammate pairs where they could either dramatically outperform where they're being drafted? There's Sky Moore and Juju Smith-Schuster

for the Chiefs, Rashad Penny and Ken Walker the running backs of the Seahawks, Devin Singletarian James Cook for the running backs of the bills, Ramandjo Stevenson and Damien Harris of the Patriots. Is there any others we're missing here? Or is there any of those that you might target and try to get a huge value? If you want a really bargain shop,

there's obviously larger ones like, you know, AJ Brown, Devonday Smith, but if you want a really bargain shop, what do you guys feel about like Wondale and Cadarious Tony? Ooh, that's a good one. Marquis Brown and Rondale Moore. What about Russell Gage and Julio Jones? Now that's a really good one.

I also think it's not bargain shopping and get A. A.G. Brown, Devonty Smith, Dallas got it for the Eagles. maybe not all three of them, but like, you know, DeVante Dahl Scott, that's a good one. Robert Woods and Trelland-Berkes, not saying I love the Titans offense, but like, man, like they're like, outside the top 100.

You can just get like, you know, you know, I mean, Robert Woods is like the number one. Trelin Burks, like, kind of has the work his way to be a starter, but like, you know, that's a free one. You know what nobody's talking about? You know, a few episodes ago, we discussed Zay Jones as like a comatose sleeper because we were like,

no one's mentioning that there is any other receiver on the Jaguars except Christian Kirk. we have not talked about a single pass catcher not named Kyle Pitts or Drake London in Atlanta. Who were the other wide receivers? It's Brian Edwards. Alameday. I mean,

Alameda Zakeas. And Demir birds on the team. Like, do you guys have any faith in Zakias or Brian Edwards to do anything? Anyone other than Drake London, who by the way is hurt right now and we don't necessarily know

if he'll play week one. Right. That's kind of what Kyle Pitts is very close to Michael Pittman in our rankings and they're very similar. It's kind of like, especially if Drake London's hurt for the Falcons, like it's the same thing.

It's just like, here's a really great guy and then no one behind him. It's kind of like how Devante Adams and Green Bay always just had like, Devante and like five guys who should be number four. And that's kind of what Atlanta's like if Drake London's out. Brian Edwards is one of those players who I'm always going to hold my stock in. I think he's good and I thought he was good in Oakland. You think he's good because John Gruden compared him to Terrell Owens one time.

He had a couple really strong fourth quarters. I remember maybe it was in overtime. He had like one game where he like completely took over a fourth quarter in overtime. And I thought he was great. Wasn't he a big recruit, D.K.? I don't know. He was very good early on in his career at South Carolina. And so, like, in the dynasty community, like, breakout age is a big deal. And he was, like, really good as an 18-year-old freshman at South Carolina.

And he kind of plateaued, though, a little bit. Like, he just never really fully, fully broke out. So now people kind of doubt him, I think. It's only 23. Yeah. That's crazy. Brian Edwards. I'm trying to remember that game, Craig.

I can't, I vaguely. You know you talking about it? It was Raiders. I think it was Ravens on Monday and football. But I think he also fumbled to, like, ruin the game. I don't worry about that. He didn't, no, that was the game. He didn't do anything in the right, in the four, in the four, in the four, first four quarters.

Oh, yeah. And he had over time. And he had more, he had more yards in, like, overtime than like the regular, regular time in September. Yeah, yeah. Moving on. We got an email, Brian, a pronunciation. Brian. What are the words Dek can't pronounce?

Because, Hyphitz, you know, obviously it's, he, Hyphets can't pronounce penalty in dolphins. Oh, dolphins. Yeah, I know. Craig has a less remarked one, but Craig can't say the word Achilles. What? Say it. Achilles. No, you can't.

Oh, my God, he's right. That sounded right. How did he says, like, Achilles? He is like, like, two E's. Achilles. Yeah, no, you're saying it like. Is that my saying it incorrectly? He tore his Achilles.

Well, you're saying like a kill, like K-I-L is like how I say, like Achilles. You're saying like a, you're saying like it has two E's instead of one I. A-E-E-L-E-E-L-E. But it's like Achilles. Achilles. And I'm saying Achilles. Yes. Craig's so...

It's a good note from Brian. Oh, man. Thanks, Brian. I'm going to think about that all Labor Day weekend. I know. D.K., you don't mispronounce things. You just get sayings wrong. Like, I'm going to put all my chips in one basket.

That's what you do. Mixed metaphors. Yeah. I was going to say the words that I always struggle with, there's two words to say that I have struggles with. Corollary, which not only can I not really say correctly, I don't 100% feel confident in using it correctly. Isn't it just, it's when things are correlated.

I always thought it was cora, like, cor, like, colerary. Like, I always, like, mix up the R and the L's. Anyway, and the other one is vulnerable. I always say verneable, vulnerable, I don't know, I'd say it. Vulnerable. That's tough. We'll keep an eye on that. All right.

I just don't say that stuff anymore. If I can just tell you what I think less of you after hearing, try to say that. I wish I didn't, but it just happened. All right. Say penalties. say penalties. I think highly of you, higher of you now

because you were so vulnerable right there. No, I think of him just being vulnerable. We got email from Bradley and he says, what's the draft strategy for a two-quarterback league

or Superflex? How much earlier and what greater emphasis should be put on drafting quarterbacks, especially relative to like the blue chippers like Christian McCaffrey and Cooper Cup.

Ironically, Bill Simmons also actually asked us a similar question right before this episode. Superflex. If you don't know about Superflex, Superflex is a league where you have an extra flex spot

where you can start a quarterback, tight end, wide receiver, running back. You're at a huge disadvantage if you don't start a quarterback at that spot because quarterbacks generally,

with most scoring systems, will score a lot more points than other skill positions. But the nice part is, it's unlike a two quarterback starting league where you have to start two quarterbacks. If you're really screwed with injuries or buys or whatever,

you just have no second quarterback option, you can start a running back or receiver. So that's why a lot of people like super flex as opposed to just straight up two QB leagues. And then as for strategy, yeah, it changes the strategy completely. You have to get a quarterback, you have to get two quarterbacks pretty early in your draft. I would say my strategy typically is two quarterbacks in the first three rounds or maybe two quarterbacks in the first like three or four rounds.

But if you push it any further than that, you're really kind of like risking it. I like to prioritize quarterbacks in a two QB or a super flex league because quarterbacks don't get hurt. and, you know, spending a first round pick on Christian McCaffrey, while it can work out, it can also kind of torpedo your team. And drafting Patrick Mahomes is very unlikely to do that. I think that in a two, we always talk about how like our rankings are good, but like you really do want tiers when you draft.

And like if you click, go to fantasyfobble.com, you see our tiers, like you click on a position and like we'll break our groups out into tiers. And basically what you need to do for yourself is figure out, where are the guys that like I'd be excited if they were my you know first quarterback who am I like fine with and then who am I just like no and like you need to know what's like the worst player I'd be fine with as like my first quarterback and who's like the worst player that I'd be okay with as like my second quarterback like Matt Ryan some some people are going to feel I actually in a two quarterback league I want two top 12 guys like I can't have worse than like Kirk cousins is my second

quarterback. Some people are going to feel actually I can wait and I don't mind if my first quarterback's Matt Ryan and my second guy's like Ryan Tann. I'll live with that. I would just like, you have to know that in advance because what you need to know is like if you wait, if you choose not to take in the first round of Josh Allen or in the second round, you're like, I don't want to take Dak Prescott or Russell Wilson in the second round. When it comes back around to you at like the 40th or 50 spot, you're going to be like taking Matt Ryan. Like that's or like that's going to happen. You're going to have to, like, reach even more disgustingly. And so you kind of have to know, am I, like, feel weird or taking Jalen Hertz 12th or Matt Ryan, like, 55th? And just know that answer.

I would lean toward you rarely regret having those quarterbacks. But if you don't mind waiting, that can work to just target higher upside people like Justin Fields might be like just for the rushing. You know, you might have to target those guys or Trevor Lawrence to make up later. Yeah, Daniel Jones, Trubisky, you know, or can he pick it, Marcus Mario Oda, like guys who might run, even though they might lose their job, like you kind of have to be a little creative if you're going to wait or just get good quarterbacks. Yep. All right.

Phoenix squad Specter comes in and says, DK, if the song Party Hard by NGWK was a player, who would that player be? George Kittle. 100%. That's good. That's really good. George Kittle lives the party hard lifestyle on the football field. It's a really good answer.

He feels like he loves to mosh at a concert. Oh, yeah. I could 100% see him doing that. Also, I randomly just thought of this, but a reminder, everyone's emailing at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Please start emailing us trivia questions because we're going to start doing trivia again. Showdown time. Showdown time.

Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you got trivia, please put trivia in the subject line. And remember, we need trivia questions that like have like where you can be degrees of wrong. So like a number, like a year, a date, a location or how far something fries from how an amount. We just need a number because we need to come in order of how wrong we are, one, two, three. So emails at Rear Fantasy Football at Gmail.com for tree of questions. Also, Craig, you noted, you saw the Russell Wilson house, Russell Wilson signed his contract, and then like the photos circulated again about Russell Wilson's house.

Yep. And you noted that Russell Wilson's basketball court, he paid $25 million for 20,000 square foot bedroom. And you noted that Russell Wilson's basketball court is basically like, it's so it doesn't have like a three point line. It's essentially a racquetball court with a hoop in it. They might as well just scrap it because you can shoot free throws. I guess if that's what Russ is trying to accomplish up his free throw percentage, but you spent $25 million and you can't hit a corner three. I don't understand it. There's also four bedrooms in this house and it's

that's what I was going to ask. This is what I wanted to ask. This is what I wanted to ask. $25 million. That's one bedroom per 5,000 square feet. That's the thing. There's 12 bathrooms. This is my question. Here's the thing. I believe Does Russell Wilson have three children? I'm going to look this up. He just did the press conference. Yeah, Russell Wilson has three children. And so if he's in a bedroom and his three kids have their own rooms,

Russell Wilson paid $25 million for a house that doesn't have a guest room. Like Russell Wilson's cousin could come visit him in Denver and he won't have a place for him to stay. You can stay in the pool. That's insane. Or just or you can stay in one of the many bedrooms. Stay at the racquetball court. They'll put up a pot. They'll put up a basketball court.

Maybe convert the basketball court into a fifth bedroom. Keep the hoop. It's open concept, Craig. It's very modern. Also, indoor pools, I don't understand them. I don't get that appeal. A 20,000 square foot with four bedrooms is so wild. Why do you have an indoor pool in Denver?

Is it like Colorado one of the sunniest places? It's hot. It's definitely hot in the summer. Well, it gets very cold there in the winter, Craig. It gets cold, but I feel like Colorado in like 75% of the years, like, pretty good. Well, I mean, isn't Colorado like one of the go-to skiing destinations? Yeah, it's the mile high. Isn't it literally like the sunniest state?

It's definitely sunny, but that doesn't mean it's not cold. It's freezing in the winter. I do not think Colorado is the sunniest state in America. I believe it is. The sunshine state. Oh, Maz, oh, magic. It gets like over 300 days of sunshine. Yeah. Denver Post. 300 days of sun in Colorado. Turns out it's a myth. Looks like Russell Wilson knew that, I guess. Yes. Wow. So if we ever stay with Russell Wilson, we're just going to have to live in a bathroom. All right. I think that's all we got.

We're going to be transitioning to our in-season schedule. Craig, do you want to illuminate everyone on what our in-season schedule is going to be? Yeah, we will be coming at you right after the games on Sunday nights. Then Monday, midday for waivers. Wednesday will be bringing back power hour. Those will be coming to you on Wednesday mornings. We'll be power ranking something different every single week. And then Friday mornings, we'll be coming at you

with some fun NFL preview stuff. We're going to be launching an in-season fantasy football guide including rankings for every position, QB, all the way through defense, even kickers.

So look out for that. We'll be incorporating that into our Friday pod every single week. It's going to be great. Beautiful. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you,

Andrew WK again. Thank you to Russell Wilson and whoever built that house. It's just, I, yeah. Doesn't make any sense. Like, what are all the other rooms? What are the other rooms in that house? Well, there's a theater.

The pool is huge. It's probably a gym. Big pool table room. Gym. Some, yeah, some gaudy bar area that you could play poker once a year. Maybe a putting green. Some people, this is just too much, this is too much house. I'm sure he has like a sauna or like a hyperbaric chamber in there.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, MGMT. Oh, yeah. Nice.

You guys know that one? Here we go. Yeah, MGMT is that. Woo. Do you guys know Passion Pit? Yes. Okay. I think, probably.

Passion Pit was really big when I was in college. Yeah. They have that one big song. Take a walk. I'm sure you. I'm sure if this would probably not. Yeah. Let's go with that.

Anyway, I named the song. Goodbye, everyone.