The Ringer NFL Show - Love Hurts, Daboll Fired, and Week 11 Waivers

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

The guys react to the uninspiring 'Monday Night Football' game between the Packers and Eagles. Next, they discuss Brian Daboll being fired by the Giants. Finally, SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 11. (00:00) Intro(02:06) ‘Monday Night Football’(19:25) Brian Daboll Fired(31:07) RB Waivers: Blake Corum, Tyler Allgeier, Sean Tucker(41:15) WR Waivers: Christian Watson, Darius Slayton, Parker Washington(50:03) TE Waivers: Cade Otton, Harold Fannin Jr., Colston Loveland(56:06) QB Waivers: Aaron Rodgers, Marcus Mariota, Jacoby Brissett(57:37) D/ST Waivers: Patriots, Ravens, Falcons(01:00:36) Emails Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther Find your kitchen dreams at IKEA.us/dreamkitchen The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig HorlbeckProducers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Rear Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dana Hypertin. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbeck, and we're going over all the players you should add. After week 10, I'm going to go over this. Man, barn burner of a game. Yeah, unbelievable Packers Eagles game. Really the spiritual successor to the Chiefs Rams 54-51, you know.

That was titillating. It's a good thing most of the people in the country didn't have ESPN today because they didn't need it. Honestly, if you didn't get to watch this game because of that, you are really lucky. We're also going to, Brian Dable, Giants coach, fired. But first, we're going to take a quick break. You didn't say the band, Craig. We're still here. We're not taking a break yet.

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cashback on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at chime.com. All right. We're going to get through waivers, but first, going to talk. This Monday night football game.

game that just ended. One of the weirder primetime games I can remember, Eagles won 10 to 7. This game was zero to zero at halftime. Craig, I know that D.K. doesn't really know anything about Space Jam, but this to me was a Space Jam game.

It looked to me like both Jalen Hertz and Jordan Love, like Space Jam had been sapped of all their powers and just looked like totally regular people trying to play football. Funny thing is Space Jam came out when I was two. So you'd actually think that movie would be more suited to D.K. L.K., have you not seen that movie? He was it? It wasn't it, Michael Jordan?

Yeah. Yeah, he was definitely in my era. I guess you just asked if it was Michael Jordan, so. I mean, I haven't seen the movie. Space Jam, the-You never seen Space Jam? The Financer. No, I knew that, that's why. Mike Jordan?

This is more important than the game. The baseball player? Yeah, I think this was the least fun I've had watching a football game all season. This was terrible. Also, going back, I mean, the primetime product over the last month of the NFL has been horrible. To look at the last four Sunday night and Monday night games. They've all been bad and this was the worst of them all. I was thinking about this earlier.

We can get into this a little bit later, but I thought maybe the Packers or the Eagles were a team that I could, in theory, trust heading into this final stretch of the season. You cannot. I thought Jalen Hertz was terrible tonight. The offensive line was awful. Nobody could move the ball. Jordan Love wasn't good either. The Packers had no wide receivers. They were dropping like flies.

I don't think I have, the Eagles defense, I guess, looked pretty good. Their corners looked good. But man, I did not have a lot of positive things to say on the coaching I thought was crazy and bizarre. Fourth down play at the end of the game by the Eagles. Is there anything that you guys? Yeah, geez. Let's just get into the ending right now.

We can get to bigger takeaways in a second. DK. The ending, so just honestly, absolutely bizarre. from both sides of the game. Right. I actually want to go back for two seconds to a moment. The Packers really fucked up, which after this whole thing where the Eagles do the tush push

and the Packers wanted to ban it or the offseason of the NFL wanted to ban it, and the Packers do it. And it was so funny to me that the game almost ended this way under the two-minute warning. The Packers actually ended up with a fourth and one at midfield to keep their drive going. And instead of doing quarterback sneak,

they literally lined up in shotgun. And then we're stopped. And I was like, you deserve that. What a fucking crazy play call, Matt LaFleherer. Who lines up in shotgun on fourth and one. You're insane. So then the Packers stopped the Eagles. And they actually hold the Eagles to a fourth and six at midfield.

And it was, I guess I should pull this up to get the exact. I think it was like 30 seconds left. It was from the 35 yard line with 33 seconds left, fourth and six. The 35 yard line. So, D.K., tell me if you're following. the Eagles call time out to get the max amount of time off the clock. I then thought they were going to pretend

to do a off-sides or try to pretend to do the thing, try to get the package of those sides, get to fourth and one, and then either kick a field goal or do the tush push and end the game. And if not, they would take the delay of game and they would punt.

Right. And instead, the Eagles ran a fourth and six play and then just took a deep shot to AJ Brown. And just like, he just chucked it up there. AJ Brown looked like he was barely even trying to get to the ball. It was insane. AJ Brown had not been thrown to, I think, since like 10 minutes into the game. Two and a half hours ago, the guy probably, I didn't forgot what a football looked like.

Oh, my God. His effort on that play was, it left something to be desired. Jackie was watching them, and she literally was like, is he even trying? And I was like, not really. He's not. We should say the Packers had zero timeouts left. So this situation where if the Eagles punt, you could give them the ball inside their 15, inside their 10-yardland, they'd have to go 40 yards to kick a field,

50 yards to kick a field goal. And instead, they throw some deep pass basically into double coverage on fourth and six. DK., I thought this was one of the weirder. I thought this was one of the dumber coaching things I've ever seen. It felt like they messed up. It felt like they weren't supposed to do that. And then they accidentally snapped the ball. And they were like, oh, fuck, I guess I'm going to chuck it down there.

Like, it felt like one of those types of plays where it was like, oh, oh, the snap is in my stomach. Oh, God. And then you have to chuck it up. But it was apparently what they plan to do. And then, you know, obviously, Aikman and Buck were just like, what are they doing? What are they doing? It's the only play I can ever remember where all the analytics nerds were like,

the motto said to punt by a lot. And I actually think it might be the most, it probably is one of the more aggressive decisions in the history of football. Because it's not like the first hundred years of football teams were just willy-nilly going for it and fourth and six when every single logic of football says punt. it's like totally been roversal in like the last five years. The fact that everybody was like, it's just such a low percentage play too. Also, insane.

I mean, there is probably, it doesn't matter who's the quarterback or the team. You should punt that ball. But it's not as though the Eagles had 42 points in this game. And Hertz was like, like dicing the Packers. They couldn't fucking throw the ball the whole game. Not, you know who else couldn't throw the ball the whole game? The Packers.

Why would you give the ball to the Packers when they only needed to go 20 yards when the Packers have seven points and can't move. Pin them inside the 10 if you can or the 20. Also, kicking has jumped the shark because the fact that this Brandon McManus, who they're like, yeah, groin strain has made two kicks outside the 20. They're like, he's got to try the longest kick in the history of Lambo on a cold night. Right. Night. Windy night. Yeah. He steals the attempt even though they didn't actually run a play. And he tries. Nisted by like a foot. One yard short. 64 yards in the dead of night. This motherfucker kicked it 62 yards.

Yeah. And probably pulled his groin and then the actual kick. He couldn't get it off the crash. Just. Oh my God. He missed it by a mile. Well, yeah, probably because he just hit a 62 yarder with an injury. But that kick, and I'm sure the winds were swirling away as I don't understand.

The Eagles should have kicked a field goal before they went for. The Eagles kick a field goal. Then the Packers have to go down and get a touchdown. I thought that was crazy from Nick Seriani. and a good example of what I was thought Dan Campbell does, which people thinks it's all math-based, and it's like 80% math, 20% like holding your balls being like, fuck you.

Which teams and or players and or coaches leave this game looking the worst? If you have to power rank, who left this game looking the worst? Who's number one? I think it's Jordan Love. Siri, no, because they won. Well, that decision was pretty indefensible, but they won.

Yeah, Jordan Love. decisions I've ever seen. The DK, the quarterbacking, the coaches were, well, the coaches were bad. Lefleur had bad moments in this game. But I will say Lefleur also schemed some really nice plays. And again, they lost Romeo Dobbs during this game and the Tucker Crafts out for the season. And then you also obviously, they were playing Boat Mountain who was like a converted to cornerback. Cornerback turn receiver, Travis Hunter, you know, the second most powerful two-way player of the year, I guess.

but D.K. I thought Matt Lafleur actually schemed up some really nice plays. And in that moment, a different Packer screwed it up every time. Or the Eagles secondary to what Craig said earlier. The Eagles secondary great plays during this. Queenion Mitchell.

They knocked down a bunch of would-be big plays. Quignon was really good, yeah. Yeah. D-K., did you feel that Jordan Love or Jalen Hertz was short-circuiting at some point on like every drive in this game, or was that just me? Yeah, everything felt, you know,

this is just an expression I like to use. Sometimes football feels really easy. and sometimes it feels really hard for both of these teams. It was just so hard to do literally anything in this game, it felt like. Even the simplest play was just so difficult for whatever reason. Maybe it was a cold. Maybe it was just, you know, both defenses were playing pretty well. But both offenses, man, it just looked like such a grind.

Obviously, it was zero to zero at halftime. Three to nothing at the end of three quarters. So this game set offensive football back a decade, maybe. Also, the tush push is definitely getting banned. after this. Oh, the opening drive. Another prime time game where the tush push was just egregiously

being misreferior, whatever, misofficiated. I mean, the Packers got the ball first, and they didn't try a tush push. It was kind of just more of a traditional QB sneak, but the refs missed a false start by Green Bay. Then Green Bay puns it to the Eagles, and the Eagles run their own tush push, and there was an egregious false start.

Like, I think the worst one I've ever seen from Philly, they missed that too. Maybe it's a makeup because they, you can call the Packers one. Honestly, that would actually make more sense to me than them missing both those calls. It would make more sense that they missed the first one. And they were like, all right, you guys get one.

I just think everyone's turned on the Tushbush, push at this point. It's over. Well, it's one of those, even if you want to, like, I have defended the Tush Push for a long time. The false start thing, I feel like. Pathetic. Once everybody kind of learned about that fact, everyone was out. I think the NFL, we've probably talked about this before,

but the NFL is going to say this rule or this play is no longer we can't officiate it anymore. It's not, you can't accurately officiate it. That's the, that's going to be the reason they cancel it or whatever. They also should just stop lying about the player safety thing and be like, we don't like it. It's ugly. And then just go with that. That's fine.

Just stop pretending. Overall, this game, I mean, again, the Pack is that 83 hours at half. Jordan Love had one of the dumber looking fumbles you'll ever see. It looked like he was trying to do like a finger roll in a basketball game. Like he was actually trying to do a lap. He threw the ball up. I couldn't believe it. Josh Jacobs.

quietly kind of turned the entire game on that second and last drive where he just did a right like Madden classic halfback slip screen and he just turned the wrong way for no reason. Like I have no idea why he would run right instead of left in that moment. That was crazy. The Packers lost Elton Jenkins in this game. Lane Johnson came back in at right tackle. He was in and out.

Sequin could barely go. I thought this game also in a nutshell like was last year's versus the shoe singles. Seekwon last year would have just broken a run at some point. And he just couldn't this year. He had the one pass, but they couldn't run the ball. I mean, both teams really couldn't. They were basically just running for like three and a half yards every single time they hand the ball off the entire game.

I don't know. This game was offensive in so many ways. No, it was not offensive. Hey, yeah. The Eagles, dude, I know they won the game. I don't know why I'm more upset with them than I am. Because AJ Brown, his effort sucked. That was to win the game with a walkoff touchdown.

And he like couldn't be bothered. He just like, I'll stick one handout, see what happens. You know what, though? Like, I don't care. I'm team AJ Brown and all this. This is absurd. Like, they don't throw to him the ball. I mean, like, there was the touchdown to Devante Smith.

You saw AJ Brown running, like, some deep cross pattern. He's, like, half running because he knows he's not getting the ball. Like, and when it does, it's like, all his targets are fake. Half of the targets that you see, it's like, oh, he actually has a deep... Half of them are, like, 10 feet over his head with Jalen Hurts throwing out of bounds, and it's technically a target to A.J. Brown. That's the... This game, just when Eagles fans get so mad at us, like, sometimes I'm like,

oh, I don't trust Jail Hurts. in big games or whatever. And people are like, what are you talking about? Went to four college football playoffs. And all he does is win. He's been to two supporters. This game, the throw to Grant Calcutera over the middle was the perfect example. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Perfect pocket. Zero pressure. Wide the fuck open. Like any camera angle you want to look at, Grant Calcutter. Like, not the easiest throw a quarterback has, but one of the easier throws a quarterback has. Like perfect. And he just sailed it five or ten yards over this guy's head. And like, a literal, a throw that a quarterback should make 50 times out of 50.

And he sails it. They're such a safe team for how talented they are. There was a third and 12. When they got their first field goal, the first points of the game, it was a third and 12. They were in Green Bay territory. Third and 12. Just ran it. It might as well have third and 28.

They handed it off to Will Shipley, their third string running back. I'm like, it's third and 12. You have Jalen Hertz. You have a Super Bowl MVP quarterback. The one on their own, on fourth down. This is the one on their own 20, right? Yeah. Sorry, in the red zone.

Yes, it was in the red zone or close to it. It's third and 12. They give it to Will Shepley. I'm like, what are we doing? I wrote that down too. I'm like, Jalen Hertz is maybe the only Super Bowl MVP I've ever seen that is not trusted to take a snap on third and 12. And it's not even like they needed a closer field goal there.

Like that was just, it really feels sometimes watching this Eagles team like it felt watching Jalen Hertz in like 2021 where they were like the most important thing is that he doesn't make a mistake. And it almost is like, the Eagles offense almost runs like the last three years haven't happened. He hasn't been to a Super Bowl. He hasn't done any of this stuff.

Because he plays, like I keep hearing all these stories. You talk to Peyton, he talked to all these people in the whole season. What do I do? And it really seems like it's almost like everybody told him, just don't turn the ball over.

And that's all he knows is like no picks, no fumbles and will win. And they kind of are winning. But it's... He did have a fumble in this game. Yeah, that was a great play. though. That was a peanut punch. Jordan loves fumble was ridiculous.

That was a great peanut punch. That's fumble on Jalen Hertz. That was like the one time he hasn't slid this year. And of course, he fumbled the ball. I mean, there's a fine line between Jackson Dart where you just lower your head into every single defender no matter what. But there are moments where I would like to see Jalen Hertz lower his shoulder once or twice or like pick up speed around the corner.

He's a little bit like Derek Carr running the ball where it's like he is just sliding at the first opportunity he gets as a rush. And it's a little bit of an ick to me. And what's funny, and also hurts, when he tries to throw on the run, he looks so unathletic. It's so funny. Like, he's, I feel like he's the most risk-averse player who's, like, truly accomplished things I've ever seen. And then when he tries to do stuff, it's at such strange times.

Like, the one time he tries to throw across his body over the middle, it was like the dumbest time to do it. I don't know how he pulled it off. I don't know. It's so strange. I'm staying with AJ Brown. But then Jordan loves the opposite. He can make every throw from every angle

and he has no idea what the fuck is happening. I know. I feel bad. We're shooting on the Eagles even though they won the game. Jordan Love is terrible too. They should have lost. If the Packers made two yards further, they would have made a 62-yard field goal.

We'll lose. Packers were terrible too. I mean, nobody, Jordan Love still makes just completely inexplicable throws sometimes. Like, the whole thing was terrible. I can't wait. I can't wait to find someone on Twitter who's like,

this is real football. This is what it's all about. Eagles fans will be mad. The secondary is great. Jailer Phillips is great. The Eagles defense looked better than it's been. All right. It's bored out of my mind.

I quickly want to talk about one thing. What this week told me, after watching the game last night, watching the game tonight, I've actually decided that I think there are only two teams in the NFL that I trust, and they don't really make sense. I genuinely think there are just two. And I think it's a team with four losses, which is the Chiefs, who I trust. And I think it's the Los Angeles Rams, who I trust.

that's it. And I knew you'd be like the Seahawks and the Pats are maybes for me just because you have Drake May who's super young and Sam Donald who like I don't know in the playoffs. But I think if you look at every, the Eagles, the Packers, I don't trust the Lions this year. You can look at the leaders of every division. The AFC North, I don't trust anybody. The NFC South, I don't trust anybody. The AFC South, I don't trust anybody. I don't trust the Colts. I'm not trusting Daniel Jones in crunch time. I truly don't trust any teams in the NFL this year except I think two.

and it's Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford. And I think I'll just pick those two teams to make the Super Bowl. Yeah. I don't even like disagree with any of that. I think I maybe trust the Lions a little bit, but I mean, they've had some weird losses this year, so I probably shouldn't. But yeah, I mean,

top to bottom, I agree with you. Patriots, I don't trust them. I think they're exciting and good. They haven't really, I mean, they've been the bills in the bucks recently, but they've had an easy schedule. And it's like, look, I don't know what Drake May is yet in the playoffs. And I kind of need to see that. So I can't label them as a trust. believe they're good, but I don't know if I can say I trust them.

Don't trust the Colts. Don't trust the Broncos. Hell me. Don't trust the Eagles. Yeah, it's a good point. It's a good, it's a good taking. And I think this is like why it's such a wide open field this year. Like, anybody could win the Super Bowl. I think we're in for one of the better NFL playoffs in a while. Yeah. Lions Eagles next week and Ram Seahawks next week is just a massive, massive recalperation of the NFC. And I really do stand by what I said yesterday. I think the NFC is so much better than the And I think the Chiefs are probably the best team. And then I think the next five good teams are in the NFC.

Third place in their own division. I love it. I also, once again, just PSA. It's Game of Thrones. You know, it's like if you think this has a happy ending, you're not paying attention. We're getting Chiefs equals again. No.

No, we're not. We're getting Chiefs equals. No. Oh, I should say right now, the top two Super Bowl odds, Chiefs Rams. There you go. You see, that would be great. That would be great. For content, for all of us, we would all, that would be thrilling.

Number three in odds, though. Philadelphia Eagles, Heifitz. We can get to waivers in a moment first. Brian Daible fired. You did this, Heifitz. You got him fired for your rant yesterday. They saw that rant this morning and they fired him. I have no sense of how much you guys care about this.

So you just have to ask me questions and we can just move on if you're not interested. How do you feel? You just did this all last night, though. You basically made the entire case for why he should be fired. I blacked out. I don't remember anything. So I will just say, so Mike Kafka, the offensive coordinator who he is going to be the assistant,

well, he was the assistant head coach, now he's head coach interim. And then Joe Shane, the GM who came with Daible from the Bills is going to just stay. What do you guys think, Deep game, what do you think of Joe Shane staying before I say anything? What do you think of Daible, them coming in together, Daible being fired, even though Daible wanted Dart and I don't know if Joshin did. And the Joe Shane staying. I think they should clean house. They should have a coach and a GM come in together.

So like whether that means the GM has. all the ultimate decision making or the coach does, and then he chooses the GM, I think they need to, like, start from scratch. I hate when teams do this, like, piecemeal firing of different guys in order to try and make it all work together. I understand that, like, firing everybody can kind of set you apart, set you back, but they've gone two and eight the last three years. Like, how much further can you be set back? Why don't you just clean the slate right now? Well, would you say Joe Shane has done a bad job drafting and trading? I feel like he's actually done a decent job.

He's had a lot of really, he's had a lot of misses. He's had a lot of misses. He's had a lot of really high draft picks. I, yes. So I don't know. That's a bingo. Bing. The things Joe Shane gets blamed for are Sequin and Daniel Jones. The Sequin leaving and Daniel Jones staying.

And I don't think either are actually. Joe Shane's fault. Like, Sequin going to the Eagles and what happened happened. Would you rather have Daniel Jones right now or Jackson Dart? I think you'd rather have Jackson Darnes. The quarterback thing worked out. But also, Joe Shane was the one who wanted to give Daniel Jones the contract.

I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced that if the Giants had signed Sequin Barclay and won four games, everyone would have made fun of them for keeping Sequin. So I don't think the problem with Joe Shane as the GM is just like, again, Abdul Carta, he'll get any credit for that. Brian Dable really wanted Jackson Darts. So this year's class is out. Malik Dabors, he had the sixth pick and I'm just saying.

He still took Jackson Dard. He traded up for him. You got to give him some credit. He did it. He's the GM. The, like. I know Dabell will push for it, but like he, agreed to it.

I... You can't give him no credit. This is what makes it so hard to, I think... There are literal videos in the draft room who gets credit giving his opinion and he's like, if you've made your evaluations and this is the guy you want, then we could... It's the most hemming and hawing should have ever seen

for the general manager taking quarterback. I'm just saying, Dart. Daibble wanted dart and he was right. But my point is, like, neighbors' sixth pick. Do you get any credit for that? That was a fucking murderous row. And that's the sixth pick.

Like, anyone could have taken names. killed if you take the wrong pick, but you don't get credit if you take the right pick? Sometimes. Okay. Should the Colts get credit for taking Andrew Luck? I'm just saying, like the other stuff,

like Evan Neal was at the, like, the seventh overall pick was a literal, like, unplayable whiff. There's, like, Deonté Banks,

they took over Joey Porter, and it was just an absolute fucking whiff. Like, like, do you go, Wando Robinson was the 43rd pick in the draft, which is kind of wild. Like,

he's a good player, but like, Wondel Robinson probably would have been there around later. I don't know why I'm defending him by the way, but I just, I am. I don't know why. I think it's tough.

It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough to evaluate any GM because at the end of the day, like 99% of GMs are all the same in terms of just like over a long enough time period, you're all going to have some horrendous misses and some great picks.

And the Brian Dable thing, though, and I think for Dables, Joe Shane will have time to talk about. The Dable thing I want to say, part of me is a little, I feel a little bad because I remember the early days. And I just remember the first game, Dable coach, where he went for two.

And I really do think it's the story over time of Brian Dable starting out like coaching smart and he ended coaching scared. Like he started out going for two under two minutes to like win in regulation. And it's like we will win or lose in this conversion. We're not going to overtime. And he ended kicking a field goal

from the half yard line on fourth and like inches because he wanted to like take the points and like you left the four points there. He was afraid of looking bad. Yeah, he was afraid of looking dumb. And guess what? They lost the game by four points. And so he went out.

But I mean, all the losing, I just, I don't think I had the things in front of me, but I actually wanted to just pull some of the Giants numbers under table because it's just unbelievable. As DK said, two and eight for the third year in a row, which that alone is unbelievable to me. You said that last night. I wonder if anyone's ever done that. And stayed? Probably not. All the blown lead stuff, we don't need to go over it again, but, you know, the Denver one, you guys.

I mean, that was one of the most horrific losses of all time. So, yeah. Oh and four on the road. Oh, and four, they have blown four different ten point leads the season, which not only is that the most this year would be the most among the last two seasons combined. And they did it in half a season. They blown two, four ten point leads this year. That and his management of Dart are the reasons he's gone. Yeah. The, the dart thing, yeah, I had all these other losing stats, but the dart thing is the problem.

Like, I could go on and on about the losing. I want to just protect your quarterback, man. the fact that Dart went back onto the field after he was basically knocked out is to me the shortest answer of why he was fired. Like literally Brian Daibald just cared more about his short-term job security than Jackson Dart's long-term health.

And when the season's already over, like there is no now. The win now, there's no win now. The idea that you would also jeopardize the future is just so fucking infuriating. Once Dayball busted into the blue tent, I was like, this man's tilting. I don't know.

Yeah. It's going to be tough for him to break up with Dart, you know? He's still going to be texting him, calling him? I think that it is traumatic for him. It's going to be tough. Breakups are hard. It's funny because Joe Brady, for the Bills, the office of coordinator, is probably getting a head of coaching job somewhere.

And then Brad Dable will probably just go back to Buffalo and just be the Bills' Offence. Right now, if you had to choose among the different coaches that are rumored to be in the running, who would you go for? I was going to bring this up. Don't you think Hyvitzed this year, this offseason, at least right now seems like it's a little bit less sexy than, like last year you had Ben Johnson, you had Liam Cohen, you had Mike Frable.

And now I'm like, is Cliff Kingsbury going to get a job? Like Clint Kubiak? Like, you're probably going to want to bring in an offensive-minded guy, right? I definitely. So are you going to bring Joe Brady guy from the Bills? Are you going to pick another guy in from the bills? No. I think Clint Kubiak would be great.

I think he's the last of the Shanahan-McVeatree that I actually would give a shot. We keep joking with the two weeks he added the Saints, but obviously I think what he's done with the Seattle so far. He's starting to, yeah, solidify his awesomeness. Pretty impressive what he has done with an offensive line that was unworkable last year. And now they're just like Darnold's on early down passing. It's quick though.

I mean, he's only calling plays for like one and a half seasons. Yeah. Like, you know what? Honestly, he's the, when the Nepo babies are good, it's usually like it works. Like his father helped invent Mike Shanhanen invent the zone running scheme. And like when Nepo babies are good, they're usually just good.

Did he call, he didn't call plays ever before that? I mean, passing game coordinator, yeah, he was offensive coordinator. He's old enough. It's thing, you never know,

you got to interview these guys. Honestly, the thing that's hard, you want the most detail-oriented possible people, which is obvious to say, but the, like when the Eagles hired Andy Reid

in 1999, he'd never been a coordinator, who was just a quarterback's coach. He showed up with, he showed up with binders that just laid out his entire practice schedule for the next two years,

like to the minute. Yeah. So you can ask him, what's your practice schedule in August 6th next year? And he had the answer. But he had the why. Like, he wasn't bullshit. Like, he's like the 41st minute of like, we're doing all this and it's all scheduled

because like the install over two year period with the roster. Like, he had it all. And that's the level of insanity you need to run a team well. But that, like that's, so I would like the most detail-oriented person who shows up. Is that Cliff Kingsbury? Probably not. But he's learned stuff in Washington. I will throw out, I think the Giants could throw first run pick to Sean Payton

and to the Broncos for Sean Payton. I think that's not impossible. All right. I think the Broncos. there's weird stuff going on there under the hood. And I kind of think John Payton, there might be a, Peyton could even make the playoff. It would be weird.

Really? I think it's possible. Why? What's going on? I think it's, I think the vibes are. Why? What do you mean?

They're seven and two. Why are the vibes bad? I think the vibes are strange. They're eight and two, Craig. Eight and two, sorry. Boom. His beloved Bo Nix? Like, what's going on?

I think he's ready to break up with Bo Nix already. I think there's weird stuff going on. Yeah, you see it? He's like, ah, fuck this guy. This is weird. He's not a wandering eye to Jackson's art. I can see it. How long of a, is he on like a 10-year contract with Denver?

How many years did he sign with for? That's what the trades for. No, I know. That's what I'm saying. But like, how many more years does he have under Denton? Probably a couple at least. But yeah, Sean Payton. Mike Tomlin?

You want Mike Tomlin? Would you give us Mike Donnellin? For what? We'll give you a first show pick. No, I want two. Need two. Fuck that. You called me.

Nah, I don't think so. I want two, though. Two and you got them. She'll throw out to me three first for Kyle Shanahan. And I was like, yeah. Done. Yeah, I would do that. I would do that in a heartbeat.

In a heartbeat. Yeah, overall, I know we've spent a lot of time on table now. I just, I, they just, they lost a lot of games, man. Like, they literally had the worst winning, like the last three years, they have the worst winning percentage of the NFL other than the Titans. They have been blown out the last four years. years by like 10 double digit losses more than any team except the panthers i think i saw somebody posted this on twitter the other day that the the giants and the jets the two new york teams

haven't won on the same day since 2022 i didn't check it but it sounds right track i mean that just tracks yeah they have the worst records in the NFL last like 10 years it's just funny anyway i you guys have heard of me talk about this a lot but well sorry and congrats hopefully something good comes from this. Who's the worst hire you guys could bring in? Jason Garrett. Oh, Lord. I would actually stop rooting for the team.

I would stop for new team. Do you think there's any world in which it's like a hire like that? He knows them. I still think that is my overall summary of the of the Giants issues. And I know I have my dable rant less than if you're listening to this and you want. Part of me feels bad because maybe people tuned in my brand table rant. I guess I'm like out of steam right now. But like because I did it last night.

But yeah, like literally less than. 24 hours ago, you did it. But the thing I left out is the giant's core problem is still that someone in that building hired Jason Garrett. And they still work there. They still own the team. Yeah, that would be, that would be brutal. Anyway. You can be a Seahawks fan if you want.

No, I don't think I can. Okay. Okay. You guys want to just do waivers? Let's do it. We're going to keep rolling here. But first, this episode is brought to you by IKEA when you're hosting on Game Day and it comes to cooking. You want a kitchen that everyone.

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like waivers, each person only can get one guy. So if any of us pick the same player, we'll do a trivia tiebreaker, figure out who gets them. It's not that complicated, I promise. You'll figure it out as we go along. Emails at ring of fantasy football at Gmail.com. Trivia questions.

Also emails fantasy courts. Since you're listening, we probably need a fantasy court. And yeah, make sure the trivia questions you send are numbers so closest to the pen we can play. And then, yeah, send us your fantasy courts. DK, if you need a running back for this week

and or beyond. who would you add at running back your number one pick this week? I'm going with Blake Corum for the Rams, who is now basically just alternating drives with Kyron Williams. So he's playing a whole lot more over the last. So last game he played 37% of the snaps. He had almost half of the rushes. He ran a few routes, finished with 13 carries for 56 yards.

He's had 13 touches in each of the last three weeks. He hasn't found the end zone and he hasn't really popped in the scoreboard, but 13 touches in three straight games is pretty solid on a very good offense. And add into that, I think he just has to be rostered because if Karen Williams ever went down, he is a league winner. So I'm going with Blake Corum. I think he should be on rosters because of that. If you need to play someone this week, absolutely desperate, maybe Blake Corum wouldn't be the pick. But he would be, I think he's my number one pick just because of the implications down the, down the stretch the rest of the season and his role as like the handcuff to

kairn williams yeah i think there's this kind of there's this tier of elite handcuffs that are starting to creep themselves onto the field more where you could actually maybe consider getting them playing them as a flex like i think there's a tier of kind of blake blake quorum and tyler aljir to me are kind of in that top tier i i agree with dk that i think i lean blake quorum if anything happens to kaird williams he's a league winner and like you said 12 carries, 13 carries, 13 carries last two weeks or the last three weeks. They're playing Seattle this week, so like that may be a little bit harder. You could go with somebody else.

But Tyler Algier, because of the goal line work and they're like, the only issue is is they basically play him when, this is sorry, not the issue. The upside for Tyler Alger is they play him more when they win. And the next three games for Atlanta are Carolina, New Orleans, and the Jets. So if Blake Quorum is not there. I think Tyler Alger is a totally viable pick because I do think the next three weeks he's going to get a lot of run.

It does get harder after that in fantasy playoffs and maybe that's the Blake quorum time. But I think it's between those two. It just depends on what you need. Yes. I'll take Blake quorum too, but I agree with what Craig's saying, and you're saying, D.K.,

that overall at this point of the year, honestly, there's like a running bat, you want eight points here, 12 points here, whatever. You might as well get a guy who can get you a touchdown or not, like 10 points or whatever in your flex. But if there's an injury ahead of them,

just like a top 15 running back. And that's Blake Horn for the Rams. That's Tyler L.Gero on the Falcons. That is, I guess, Tank Biggs been the Eagles. Even the Eagles didn't look great tonight. And Lane Johnson's hurt. But that's Sean,

you know, Brian Robinson. Brian Robinson's another good one. He should probably be rostered, even if you, like, don't need to start him this week. He should be on your roster.

Just get guys that are going to rotate in, but if there's an injury or just elite. And like, because honestly, you're playing to either make the playoffs or win, and it's unlikely, but sometimes you need random shit to go your way. Like, sometimes that's just what happens.

So those guys are in their own class. So I'll start with Blake Quorum. All right, let's do Quorum then. It is the Blake Corum showdown time. Okay. Love the gong. This trivia question is from Adam. Abeone.

So Craig, I don't remember what episode this was, but you're talking about Frankie Valley. Sure, that was the most recent episode we did. It was yesterday. And it's been a long day. And I still be. barely know Frankie Valley is, but he guess he's 91 and he still plays technically.

Wow. Yeah. He's there. They wheel him out there. The songs do play. You said you thought he's the songs do play. You said you thought he was the oldest musician or the oldest person who performs. A lot of people to email this in. Yeah. Okay. Got it. A-bone. Yeah. Willie Nelson is 92 in still touring. Oh, what?

Wow. Willie Nelson's 92? Oh my God. That's a great one. I went to a Willie Nelson concert back in the day. A lot of people emailed him about Willie Nelson. A lot of people said they went to Willie Nelson's, oh, I forgot the name of the tour that he's on right now. But a lot of people said he was good at it. Like he had energy like this, like he was with it.

Marijuana, man, miracle drug. So he has a one last tour, one last ride tour next year. Anyway, also, Adam said that Willie Nelson obviously was incessantly smoking weed until he quit this year. He said he still vapes and eats. But did Willie Nelson stop smoking weed this year? He stopped at 92?

I have lung, he has lung issues. I wonder why. What do you mean? If he's, if he's made it 92 years, it's pretty fucking good. I feel like he doesn't have long issues. Just like inevitable.

So anyway, A-Bone's question is, in what year did Willie Nelson infamously smoke a joint on the roof of the White House? Oh, that's a great question. I know, I love that. I actually have never heard. Love that.

Love where you're going with that. I assume this is true because obviously if I had fact-checked it, I would have learned the answer. Wait, what was it? It's what year? What year did William Ellison infamously smoke

and join the roof of the White House, which cemented him as a legendary weed smoker? This is interesting because you have to, I don't want to give anything away. Come to think of it. You got to think about who was president at the time. Exactly. Also like, like, wait.

Good point to you. Can you read the question again in full? What year did William Ellison famously smoke a joint in the roof of the White House. Probably wasn't the roof of the East Wing, like, recently, probably, right? Probably not. There was no sentence after that question.

There was no, like, follow-up sentence. It said, cementing him as one of America's most famous weed smokers. All right, I got. But I don't know if that's, like, an opinion or not. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's a bit on, like, just kind of throwing it in or it's part of the answer. Because, like, the sentiment around weed has changed someone. I know.

I'm like, he threw me off for being, like, who's president? I know, I'm like, was this like in 2002? That's what I was thinking to, Craig, I don't know. It's like Obama? I don't know. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's, yeah. It's tough.

All right, I got an answer in my head, and I have no idea if it's right. All right. Three, two, one. 1989. 69. Okay, so Craig said 69. I said 80. I said 93.

I was thinking Bill Clinton would. I mean, yeah. I just went like full Woodstock hippie movement. I think probably, I think it's very possible. It was during Obama, too. The fact that we've never heard of this. Well, the sentence cementing him as a weed smoker, I'm like, all right, that wasn't 2012. Probably right.

Good point. The answer is 78. Ooh. Oh, I don't get it. Right. What did you say, D.K.? I said 80. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Jimmy Carter. Damn it. 78. I don't have any memory of that. I did not know that he did that. I said 93. Okay.

Interesting. Okay. So I'll take Corum. I'll take Algier. Oh, so I actually have to do a little work here. Okay, I would probably take... Damn, that's harder. I will say if I actually needed to win this week,

I would take Sean Tucker for the Bucks. Yeah. He's available just because the Bucks are going to play the Bills. I don't think Bucky Ervin's going to play this week. Sean Tucker is playing more. Obviously, the Patriots have allowed, like, the fewest rushing yards I think of any team all year. They barely allowed a 50-yard rush hour all season.

So Tucker looks better than Rashad White. He does look better. Now that the, the bucks are going to play the bills, the bill's just allowed a bigillion yards to Devon A-chan, obviously different running styles, but the bills can't stop the run, especially at the perimeter. So if I needed to win this week, if you're like four and six, and you're like, I need to just make the playoffs.

I would play Sean Tucker. I like the Tucker one, yeah. Also, because Bucky Irving, like, Sean Tucker might have staying power all year. If you want what we were talking about before, if I just want a guy who can maybe get me eight points, but like has the crazy upside, I would probably just do Tank Bigsbee or Brian Robbins.

Tank Biggsby on the Eagles who's behind Seekwan or Brian Robinson is behind McCaffrey. just because I yeah those those are the guys the other person I want to shout out is the not shout out but mention is that I think jk. Dobbins is more hurt than it's letting on because it was Thursday and I just there's not really an update on that but I kind of think jk. Dobbins for the broncos is hurt and rj harvey is the classic like he'll get more work and then he kind of won't so if you're in a tyler bidet no I think i think bidet is there for special teams I think julia mclofflin who's like was inactive last week if jakey d'adubbins can't play I think mcglofflin might lead the team

he carries, even though he was it active. Unless Sean Peyton actually does the national thing. Yeah. I'm not saying you should play Jaliel McLaughlin, but if you're in a 14-teen league or you listen to these and you're like, none of these guys are available, I fucking promise you Jaliel McLaughlin's available. So, like, that's a guy with playing time in week 11 that actually could save you. Tad Jaze Spears is another guy that's out there.

He's like playing more than Pollard or right around the same amount as Pollard. He's had 10, 12, 9, and 9 opportunities the last four games. low ceiling, but if you're desperate. Him and also the Washington guys, like Chris Rodriguez, and I'm like, these teams suck. I don't want any part of them. The Cardinals, Mari DeMarcato or Michael Carter, we don't have an update on what happened to Bamnights ankle quite.

We don't exactly, but DeMarcato, if he's available, is fine. Michael Carter's fine. Stash my boy, Keaton Mitchell. Yeah, Keith Mitchell actually, yeah, it's tough because you know what the Ravens would do if Derek Henry got hurt. Like, it would be just as hell and Keith Mitchell, but he's really good. But, yeah, those are deeper cuts. But yeah.

Okay. Receivers. I feel like Alec Pierce for the Colts would be our answer, but the Colts are on by. So he's like a totally reasonable person to have that you want receivers for later. If he's out there, you've got to get him. Not just reasonable.

Alec Pierce leads the NFL in receiving yards over the last four weeks. So then here you go. If he's available, you probably should get out. Just pick them up regardless. But, D.K., who's your number one receiver for week 11? Let's see here.

I'm going to go with Parker Washington, I believe, for the Jags. he's 41% rostered in Yahoo. This last week he scored two touchdowns, one on a punt return. I just think he's a good player. He seems to be having a lot better chemistry with Trevor Lawrence than any other fucking receivers

on the Jags right now. And they also have the Chargers, Cardinals, and Titans next. So I'm starting Parker Washington if he's on my team. I think he's going to lead the team in target rate. He had a 30% target rate in this last game. going back, it's 21, 27, and then 29.

So yeah, Parker Washington, I think is where I go with this one. I'm between him and I kind of want to get cute and say Christian Watson, who just played and didn't really do a whole lot. But Romeo Dobbs left with a chest injury. That's a good one. Super beat up at the wide receiver position. They're playing the Giants next week. I like that. I don't know.

Watson also, I can't remember the last guy who came back from an injury like an ACL, like a real injury. and just immediately looked like the only way a team could get an explosive play. I mean, yeah, he's like flying down the field, still looks super athletic and fast. He recovered really quick. He got injured late in the year last year. And he really, the Packers,

I feel like he's the only, like, he's the only way they can get like 25 yards now that Tucker Crafts hurt. I agree with Craig, actually. I think the Dobbs injury on top of Golden being hurt and doing nothing this year. Yeah, when does Golden come back, do you think? It doesn't matter.

Like, at this point, he's a field stretcher. Like, Watson has came in and just like seamlessly replaced whatever Golden was supposed to do. I think any hope I had for Golden being more important down the stretch was Watson not recovering so quickly. So I will go with Watson, but so we'll say Pierce if he's out there, but let's do Watson Showdown Time. All righty. It is the Christian Watson Showdown Time. Bang.

Bing. Bing. Bing, bam, bam, okay. It's from Aaron. Aaron? Like A-Bone or E-Bone? Aaron. Right.

A-Bone, okay. I forgot I have an accent. There's two ways to spell it. Do you know Mallory? In a couple weeks ago, Mallory told me, she's like, I think you're getting a mid-Atlantic accent. And it actually really fucked with my head. I was like, I don't feel that way. She's like, it sounds like that.

Like, what? Did she think you have a New York accent before? Yeah. And now it's just more like D.C. I don't know. But she's from Baltimore, so she just knows. I live in D.C. She would know.

You freaked me out. Anyway. Well, you've lived there for a while now. I know. When in room. So Aaron says, I work for a chemical analysis company. We use instruments that break down liquid solutions with a plasma source at a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun.

So my question is, what is the temperature of the surface of the sun? Fucking A. Aaron. How do they get it hotter than the surface of the sun? of the sun. That's what I was wondering. How do they know? Shit's wild. I don't know. They went there. They checked.

With what? Don't worry about it. Really strong thermometer. It's a neat thermometer. It's like an anal thermometer. Stick it in there. Jam it into the sun. This might be the most embarrassing answer I've ever given.

No. I have no idea. Who the fuck knows this stuff? I kind of feel like it's not going to be it's either going to be way too lower way too high

that's usually how guesses work well but like the surface of the sun that I'm in the vicinity okay wait I don't know how hot was fire it was hot

1,500 it was like yeah 2,000 degrees all right 3 2 1 a million 100,000 degrees those were the three numbers I was thinking

you see 100,000 and you said 500,000 yeah That one million. Those were the three numbers. I feel like it says too low. I wanted to guess a million. And then for some reason I said 500,000.

It's going to be like. Motherfucker sent it to us in Kelvin. Oh, and it's Fahrenheit. Okay. Oh my God. We're way off. It's 10,000 degrees. So Craig won.

We went the other way with it. We overcompensated for saying 200 last time. You didn't say. I love it. Craig and I. Anyway, I guess I thought the sum was a million degrees. For the record, I didn't think of fire. You thought the sum was a million degrees?

Idiot. What? Or beneath a fish big. You were more off about that than I was about fire. Think about that. Also, we were guessing a cigar, not fire. True. The tip of the cigar.

It's different. The fire of the fire. No, we didn't think it was fire. I didn't know what a fucking ember or something. It's not like on fire. I still would email the part that's hot enough to vaporize matter into air. Oh, stop. I convinced you within 10 seconds that boiling water was just as hot.

That's, well, you raised some interesting points. Also, conductivity or what was it? The heat transfer, there's something to do with that? I don't know. Well, Craig won. So you get Christian Watson and then D.K. gets Parker Washington. So I'm fucked. So I had shift to make a pick again.

I think there's a huge drop-ball. Is there anyone I'm forgetting? There's no, the third, there's a drop-off to the three guys here because I think there's- Johnson. Tess Johnson, because Baker Mayfield keeps finding him in the end zone. They're playing the bills. I think the answer, this is not as fun. It's a one-week answer.

The answer to me clearly is Darius Slayton for the Giants. Because I think James Winston's going to play for the Giants this week. If Jackson Dard is a concussion, they're not going to play him. I think James is going to play for the Giants. And I think Darius Slaten. What's Mike Kafka? Does he have history with James at all? No, he came from like the Chiefs.

But I just think James is way more, like Russell can't run what DART does. because Russ is old and sucks and can't at the middle of the field. James can. So I think they're going to do the same offense, but well, I mean, with less running,

but like, I think James is going to fucking chuck the ball. And, yeah, John's playing the Packers. So I'll go Slate. That's a good one. But the other ones are

Jaden Higgins for the Texans, Luther Bird, maybe just waiting on those. These are stashes more than plays, waiting on like the second half rookie bump. Weirdly enough, Mack Hollins has like a 30% target rate over the last two weeks.

I don't know if this. is going to hold, but he did have 10 targets, or sorry, he had 10 targets this week to the week before that and then seven the week before. Kisham Booty going out. Right. Yeah. So he is like a desperation one. Tyler Lockett came in and was like a huge part of the freaking Raiders game plan, which was kind of surprising.

The Gino connection you could tell with Lock. I think Lockett and honestly, the person maybe I should have taken over Darius Slate and Tray Tucker because the Raiders, I know the Raiders look bad in prime time and Thursday football, but they go for the Broncos who are like. a top three defense and now the Raiders are going to play the Cowboys who are at bottom three defense. True, true. And they have 11 days to prepare for that game.

So they have 11 days for the Raiders to prepare for the Dallas Cowboys. I wouldn't be shocked to Tyler Lockett and Tray Tucker both have a good week. So Tray Tucker, maybe they should just not throw to those guys and throw to Brock Powers instead. Just a thought. They could. Throw it out there as well. Can I just say briefly like if you're in first or second place and you can just

get cocky and do whatever you want? I really feel like Luther Burden, I'm pretty sure he's awesome. Like, DJ Moore's banged up. We don't really know. He's got like a shoulder thing. He missed time in the game. And the second, DJ Moore would leave,

Luther Burton would replace him and he caught three passes for 51 yards. He's leading the team in yards per route run, which is always a good sign. I just, I really feel like he's going to be a thing. And it might not happen this year. But if there's a chance that it does, I think the despair's offense is continuing to ascend. And I think Burton is the best talent of any of the guys in this list.

I had him too, Craig. I like that. Super, super deep league. The Jets. I don't know what they're going to do. Garrett Wilson's out in the three to four weeks. I don't think you want any of the Jets because Justin Fields

through for 50 yards this week, which is insane. And I think he'll lose his job. But John Metchy and 80 Mitchell are going to be like the number one players in the team, Tyler Johnson. I don't think you wanted those players. I mean, Justin Fields had 54 passing yards.

It's pretty pathetic. Okay. Tight ends? Tight end, not terrible. No. No. Number one tight end. I'm going with K.aten for the Bucks,

who had 12 targets this week. Nine catches 82 yards. Going back, he's had 12, 5, 9, 6, and 4. four targets. So he's getting consistent. He's a consistent part of this offense. I don't think Chris Codwin's coming back anytime soon. Mike Evans isn't coming back. So this is like kind of stable in terms of it's going to be obviously a Buka. K.aten, I think it's kind of like the underneath over the middle type of guy and then Ted Johnson's going to get some looks. Am I missing

anybody? And then the running backs. I guess Sterling Shepherd is in there sometimes. But yeah, I think K. Dotten feels like realistically going to give you a little bit of a higher floor than most of these other guys. I also like Harold Fanon from the Browns, but I would go with Kadaun here, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I'm between him and Colston Loveland, and I know Loveland it doesn't play as much and commits back and all this stuff. I just think Lovelin is good and explosive, unlike all the other guys in this list. Like, Kate Otten and Dalton Schultz, and these guys are like, catch it and fall down dudes. Loveland, to me, is a guy who can actually, like, win you a week and put up 25 points or something like that. So it's kind of a philosophical

question, but I don't know. I kind of keep thinking about Colston-Luven. It's safe versus upside. Yeah. Really. And I agree with you. I'm like, you probably have somebody who's as good as Cato. Loveland, I don't know. Loveland could explode over the second half.

Loveland could be anything. You could even be Catoen. Right. The only reason I'm sticking with Catoon just because I remember last year, Kodan was like the tight end won for like a stretch. Just because Baker likes to pepper him with targets in these shootout games that they play. I think I think I'm going to take I have no problem if Colson Loveland or is available. But I'm going to go with Kate Otton for the simple thing of I mean,

Tess Johnson caught two touchdowns this week. And it's just the touchdowns come and go. The touchdowns are going to have it going to have it flow. And I think Johnson didn't have like a ton of targets. He just happened to catch a cold touchdown. I think the touchdowns are going to find Ott eventually because I think teams are going to be like we don't want to boot going to beat us in the red zone and someone else is to do it and Otton's going to be the guy.

So I'm going to go with Otten. But also Loveland's a perfectly fine pick and Harold Fanon. And obviously there's a lot of good tight heads weirdly. They're all going to fail you. You can stream tight ends pretty well this year, I feel like, for the most part. It's been the easiest position to deal with. I think other positions have been way harder. But yeah, there's Cade Otton Showdown Time here, baby.

Yeah, let's do it. It is the Cade Otton Showdown Time. He's a Husky. Is he? He's a Husky. I didn't know that. That's fun. How many people, oh, sorry, this is from Adam, a different Adam.

Adam. Adam. How many people in America have the first name Jug? Great question. Amazing question. This is what I'm looking for. Legally, I guess legally, right? Legally, the first name, Jug.

I guess I assumed. Right. I don't know how we measure how many people are nicknames, Joe. Cub Buck, Jugger. Yeah, but we did another name recently where we tried to guess how many there were, and I was like 100,000 and it was like 200. Oh, um. What was it?

No, you guessed like a million. Oh, it was it Alvin? It was, you guessed a million Alvins were named last year. And I'm like, there's only 300 million people in the American. I definitely over guessed by a lot. How many people named... D.K.K. was like half a percent of Americans are just Alvin's board last year.

That was D.K.'s guess. Look, I didn't give it a lot of thought, right? Sometimes I just say what comes into my mind. How many people name Jug? Jugg. All right. Three, two, one. Four.

How many? Do you say Iphitz? I said 100. I said 18. Craig said four. Four. Damn, I said 18. I wanted to capture them. If Craig wins this, that would be actually incredible.

I think I said 18. I hope it's zero. Zero would be the funniest. It crossed my mind that it would be zero. There's no judge. A hundred and twenty one. Really? Wow.

Wow. Yeah. Wow. Sorry, what did you guess? If it, you guessed a thousand? No, I get a hundred. You got a hundred. Okay.

So you get first pick. 100 plus jugs. One that doesn't matter to get the first pick. I won. Yeah, but we got the running tally. True. There's 100 jugs. That's the dream.

They're all in nursing homes at the moment. They're all octogenarians or above. I was assuming the question was about people with the first name jug. Could this also be last name jug? Literally, the question is how many people in America have the first name jug? First name jug. Really, 100 plus people? I don't buy it.

It's too per state. I don't buy it. Craig doesn't believe it. Too many. Too many. Do your own research. It's all relatives of Jug Earp. Yeah, they're almost a one family.

It's like George Foreman. Yeah. Jug. Okay, so I'm going to take Kada and D.K., you're going to take Colson Loveland? What are you doing here? I'll take Fanon. Harold Fanon.

Okay, so Craig, you get Colson Loveland anyway. Great. The other people I would throw out. Dalton Schultz for the Texans. I mean, he's alive. God, I don't know if the Texans are going to be throwing. I don't think they're going to be throwing like they were losing to the Jags old game. But, I mean, Luke Musgrave for the Packers.

I mean, I literally wrote him down because I wonder hell it'll do tonight. And Packers were awful. So the other person who I want to throw out is Theo Johnson for the Giants. Yeah. Because if and only if James Winston starts, Theo Johnson is, Theo Johnson super alive if James Winston is going to play. May I also toss out Pat Fryermuth. The Steelers are playing the Bengals this week. The last time they played, Pat had over 100 yards in a touchdown.

Didn't every tight end for the Steelers catch a touchdown against the Bengals? I don't remember, but Pat had the best game by far. It's not like they've been doing a whole lot, but he's the most explosive of the tight ends and the bangles are horrible. And I do think the Steelers are going to win that game. I like it. Okay.

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Yeah. Not they're complicated. I know Aaron Rogers looked bad. That's a theme for me this week. I know Aaron Rogers looked bad last week, but they're playing this team this week. Even just Gino Smith, if you're really desperate, like, Cowboys, baby. Looked horrible.

Playing the Cowboys. Like the two worst defenses. I mean, even Justin Fields looked great against Dallas and the Bengals. Yeah, Roger said four touchdowns when they played the Bengals a month ago. Marcus Mariotas is a little bit on this thing. I know he looked bad. Kind of don't care. He runs.

Mobile. he runs and, you know, it's not as bad. James Winston. James Winston plays with the Giants. I really think James Winston is capable of doing anything. Who would you rather start, Rogers or James? I mean, if I'm going to watch the game, James. If I'm going to just look at my box score later, the Rogers.

I think Jacoby Resett's a solid start too against a really begged up 49ers defense. That's another example of just burn, like he played the best defense in the NFL and don't think about it. Right. Well, I mean, he still had, what do you have? two touchdowns. I can't remember. But yeah, but that was, it was pathetic. Yeah, yeah. He's otherwise been pretty good. Only Marvin Harrison could have his, like, a great game.

And just like, when you're watching, you're like, this couldn't matter less what Marvin Harrison is doing that game. Defenses, again, if for any reason, if Seattle, if Denver, if Houston are available, like you have to go get them. I don't know how they're not rostered like 100% of leagues, but Seattle, Denver, Houston. And then even then, Cleveland, the Ravens, the Rams, the charges, if those defenses are available, just get them. Like Cleveland, Raven, Rams, charges, Seattle, Denver, Houston.

Like, there's like seven defenses that should be had. Otherwise, the Patriots are playing the Jets. Like, that's, come on, Thursday of football. Justin Fields, they probably don't have a time to switch. So they're going to go to Tarot Taylor, who's getting no reps, or they'll stick with Justin Fields, who, again, was, I think the number was 54 passing yards this week.

We didn't talk about that enough. That's what I think Justin Fields is with the Jets. It's been really bad. I think it's one of the worst passers. attacking attacks I've ever seen. And it was hidden by all the garbage time accumulation the Jets had in the fourth quarter, like four different quarters. But I think Justin Fields really is quietly one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever,

I've ever watched. And I almost wonder if people don't know it, don't realize that because the only time they watched the Jets this year was week one against the Steelers when they looked awesome. And then since then they just haven't watched any of the games. He feels like good against the Steelers in week one, the Cowboys. and Cincinnati. He has, oh, week one and the two worst defenses in the NFL.

He has one, two, three. He has four games this year. And granted, I think he left from injury maybe in one or two of these, but he has four games with less than 54 yards passing. Dude, that's crazy. He had 27 yards against Buffalo. He had 45 yards against Denver,

46 yards against Carolina, and 54 against Cleveland. He got hurt against Buffalo, but like late, like not in the beginning of the game. Yeah, and he, and yeah, But he went three for 11 in that game. He went six for 11 against Cleveland. You know, it's funny if you could.

Wow. Yeah, DK. He doubled his completions. 70%. Yeah. It's pathetic. I'm sorry. He seems like a nice guy.

But yeah, the Patriots are playing the Jets and Thursday football. That could be ugly. Baltimore, again, if they're available, they're playing the Browns. The Ravens defense, they're little back. I feel like they're not really rostered up to snuff. But like, they're playing the Browns. Probably your last chance to get the Ravens. And then the Falcons are playing the Panthers.

I know this game was 30 to nothing. last time they played, but that's not the point. The Falcons defense is playing way better. I think that was just frankly, like a weird game, and the Panthers defense, sorry, the Panthers' offense is not moving the ball. They're really distributed. They can't throw the ball deep, which is funny because they have to at McNeillan, but they can't. There's no downfield passing game for Carolina, and

the Falcons defense is humming. And so I think Falcons are perfectly, perfectly worthwhile candidate. Right. That's it for the week's edition of smarter moves. But remember, if you want to make your smartest move yet, switch to CHIM. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank, banking services provided by the Bank N-A or Stride Bank, NA, member's FDIC, learn more at chime.com. Okay. I want to get a couple emails before we get out of here. Emails. I wanted to start by just saying we got an email from

Rich. Richie. Anybody seen Richie? Anybody seen Richie? it's a Stephen Seagull movie that nobody's seen I'm gonna say what's that from the way you said that I just thought it was the bear you know what that's fine on a similar accent I don't know what Seagull's doing in any of his movies but you should watch that film

out for justice good time anyway go ahead Rich says my eight year old son loves the fart or shart intro so much that he listens to that bit of the show with me now And he wants to play fantasy football with me next season. Hey. Hell yeah.

Bridging the gap to the generations. I can see Calvin really liking it too. And he's six. Yeah, every young boy. It's like the age where farts are hilarious. Is Calvin Gen Alpha? Yeah, I think so. I don't think we should get to call them that.

They should be called something else. They got to earn it. Nominate of determinism. They're going to all run our, they're going to be our bosses with AI or something. We don't change that. I think honestly, unfortunately for you, DK, I feel like Gen X got screwed. I'm not Gen X.

This is kind of a cool name. I think I'm technically a millennial. Oh, are you a millennial? I'm an elder. I'm a geriatric millennial. Gen X sounds cool. Gen X sounds cool, I think. Millennial?

Cool name. I feel like Gen X, they all have, they're like, oh, we got, they're mad about stuff. I want to say like millennials started in 80 or 81. I could be wrong. Let me look it up, actually. But, but yeah. Okay. What's that?

Is it going to be gen beta after gen alpha? I know that they're going to get fucked. That's brutal. I'm pretty sure it's 80 to 95 millennial. Yeah, this one says 81 to 96. Close enough. Also known as Generation Y.

No one calls it that. So, all right, next one here from Nick. Nicky. And bone. For breakfast, I have nothing. Breakfast isn't real. Kellogg's made it up.

Okay. Okay. You don't get hungry? That's fine. I kind of respect that answer. D.K., you don't really eat breakfast either. I don't, but that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean... That doesn't mean...

That doesn't mean that Kellogg's made up breakfast. I think breakfast was around before the Kellogg's. Just throwing it out there. You know, there are some... I was telling Lizzie to the day, we were driving down the freeway, and there was, like, some advertisement for Christmas or something. And I was like, you know,

I'm completely okay with the fact that Christmas is just a way to just sell me shit. But I'm totally fine with it. Yeah. I love the, like the capitalist marketing of Christmas. I'm just completely okay with it. I love it and I will buy shit every year because of it.

And it makes me happy. Like, what are the most capitalist, like clearly just marketing ploys that you are fine with? Christmas is a good one. I'm fine with Christmas. I'm totally okay with it. Like,

I would, you know, it's the best. So like the other ones would be like Valentine's Day. So you're like, that's just invented to buy women flowers and chocolates and stuff breakfast cereal is a great chocolate and stuff breakfast cereal is a great one that's like a fake made up thing it's not good for you you shouldn't have it in the morning but everybody does and if you're like you know what it's worth it i love it i don't care that's marketing i don't think yeah like cereal has never been really

like good for you i think the concept of eating in the morning is not made up you're sleeping for eight hours of course you're hungry you just don't have to eat like high processed high sugar bullshit in milk you don't know have to eat something called cookie crisp which is just a bag of cookies that was fucking wild what the fuck was cookie crystal like chocolate frosted sugar bombs it is a bag of cookies that's it Chris is the crazy shit any would try like imagine the guy who pitched that was like hey guys I got an idea I think about it a way more than I should cookie crisp and how insane it is I used to eat like that's just passed as a cereal when I was a kid I would eat like three bowls of cereal for

breakfast yeah Captain Crunch I'd have like 103 grams of sugar to start right down And like nobody's, when you check the box on the side of a cereal box, it tells you like the serving sizes like a handful. 15 grams of sugar per serving. Each serving is like a half a cup and you have like what two cups every with each bowl? It's like a thimble. Cereal is insane. The whole concept is fucking crazy. Like you are having four servings of cereal minimum. I wonder why Americans have trouble with, you know, healthiness. Cereo should be illegal to be honest.

Cereals are like crazy. agree with that, Craig. Should be fucking illegal. Should be illegal. DK., how much of, like, cereal is just because it's hard to get your child to sit still in the morning and eat something? Yeah, I think a big part of it is it's very easy and very quick. Cereal's not going to help him sit still. Well, it's not my problem.

He's going to school, pal. Here, take this. Leave me alone. Here, eat this. Eat these cookies. Cookie crisp is fucking. Calvin, you haven't touched your cookie crisp yet. Anyway, have you been studying for your test?

What is this? We don't have cereal. We don't really have cereal in our home. It is funny to think that like a European could come to or any from any continent could come to America and be like, so you just feed your children cookies and send them to school where they have their phones and they can look at boobs all day? Well, that's only during the weekend. And the weekends, they get fried cake with sugar sauce on them for breakfast. I will say Europeans are unequivocally way more healthy. But when I went to Italy, they're eating like fucking scones.

with chocolate in the middle. And they rip cigarettes. Yeah, it's not like they're eating, you know, freaking fruit. Well, maybe they do. I'm sure some people just not as synthetic. It's just the serving size is way different. We're in like alien plasma.

They're eating like a baked good that was made by human hands. You guys didn't think of plasma. Human hands. No, they definitely eat better than us. I'm not trying to argue against that. So what is the plasma in blood? The liquid component of blood.

So what the fuck is plasma? How was the thing in blood also for the thing in fire? How is that plasma? I think there are two different types of plasma. Craig Haynes. There are two different things that are named the same. There are two different things that are named the same. Would be my guess.

Oh, plasma is an ionized gas. Also often called the fourth state of matter. Okay, great. That answers that. So they are, same word different meanings. Now we understand it completely. Hominiums. That makes sense. Plasma rifle.

God, I miss Halo. You love Halo. When are we going to play? Dude, I would, you don't fucking do anything. Can I introduce you to the my style of playing where we put the box on the screen and like, no, because you can't connect to the internet, your style. So I, we have to wait. Well, no, I'm saying when we're in person, we should do.

Oh, yeah. If you were playing in different rooms. No, but then you're not together. The whole point is you have to be together to have the box up. Otherwise, I will 100% play you in Hale and dig if we can figure out way to get a system. Oh, God. I actually don't really want to. Sounds terrible.

Should you lose? Yeah, probably. We should do it, though. We should do it on the road trip to the Super Bowl in the back of the car, set up a whole thing. When I was a kid, sometimes, my parents, when we would drive to my grandparents' house, like an hour drive, they would get rid of the middle seats

and are like, what do we have, a Chevy Tahoe? I don't know. We did get rid of the next seats. You don't remember the kind of car. You had it? In the Tahoe, I think it was a towel. And we would sit in the back and then we'd bring in, like,

this old gigantic television and then a Nintendo 64, and my brother and I could play while driving. How did you plug it into, like the cigarette lighter? You plug it into it. into the car. No way. Yeah. You could plug a TV

into the car and a system? Yeah, it was sweet. My buddy when we were growing up his family had a and people that are listening who know this or my generation, tell me if you could figure out what it is because I don't remember the name of it. Maybe it was like a GMC or something. It was like this

family van. You get in, I'm pretty sure it had a sliding door on the side and there was a chair on the left side of the car and it was It was like a swivel chair. Oh, yeah. Swivel around. You know what you're talking about?

And it had like a bench in the back and it had a TV. It was like a diner in there. It was like a really small motorhome. Yeah. I guess. I don't know what it's called, but anyway. Are you guys excited for when nobody drives cars anymore? No.

I think I am. I like driving. I do like the idea of driving, but I feel like you could still sit in a drive. Maybe you could still drive the car if you want. But the idea of not having to drive if you don't want to, to me actually sounds great. Ford had me go out and drive the new truck. They have this thing called Blue Cruise in it. And I guess it's not the ad.

So not all this is legal mumble jungle. I can't say. This is just bonus. Extra credit. I was pretty blown away at how advanced the hands for technology is. Yeah. It's a little freaky because, like, they can tell when you're not looking at the road. And I assume that was because my head would move.

They're like, no, it's like, you can track your eye. eyes. I'm like, that's a little weird because they want you to still look at the road even when, but I was kind of amazed, frankly, at just how good it was. You could just set how many car lengths you want. I'm like, okay, put me two car lengths behind the car in front of me and then you just shift lanes. You just hit the blinker and it just moves you to the other lane. I was like, oh, like, I live in D.C. It's like a top five traffic city in America. L.A. is one, to if like Atlanta. Like,

and it would be pretty incredible if your commute was just driving the train. Yeah. I mean, I use Waymo all the time, as you guys know. Craig loves the clinkers.

Oh, I do. I love the Waymo. It's just a better experience. It just is. I hate the idea that people are friction. Craig told us that it felt like they were going too slow.

He's like, you know what? The one thing I don't like about Waymo is they're too careful. They literally go the speed limit, which nobody does. So that's a little annoying. Sometimes it's like they can make the simple term, but they have to take the long route.

But other than that, you know, I don't know. Half the time, I got a lot of thoughts about ride sharing services, but I won't. You know my theory. We figured it out in Ireland, which is that the app should have been applied to the taxi drivers. And it was kind of a travesty that all the taxi drivers were undercut and set out of business. And now there's like, yeah. I do not understand how the fuck they're going to have Waymo's in New York City because they're training them right now. And I literally don't understand how that is going to work.

people are going to figure out real quick you can just j walk in front of a waybo that shit's gonna and it'll never move it'll just stand there and wait forever being in a waymo in like rush hour and like someone is just gonna call a waymo and not from New York and then people are just gonna walk in front of it the whole time the whole point of driving in New York

is like there are no rules but you like you understand like you just like kind of know how to do it it's like all feel and so I have no idea how a Waymo is gonna do that those are the last things AI can do is like you know just drive it yeah drive through rush hour Manhattan. Yeah, and so I'm surprised they're training them for, you know, D.K doesn't care. No, I do. Craig made us going away, mo.

Resisting. Yeah, I was very, I was very anti. And then he tricked me. They're clean, they're nice. You can set the temp. You can play your music. It's wonderful. You got sex in them one time. Yes. And then they kick you out. Yeah. You can, you can, you can, you can, you know, conceive your baby in there. You have one shot. One opportunity. Do you think a baby has been conceived in a Waymo yet? Probably. Yeah. I'm gonna name me.

I bet like a million. I bet like a million alvents have been conceived in a Waymo. Do you think, when is the first year a human being is named Waymo? It's probably, a Waymo probably played with buck and jug back in the day. That's true. Cub. It's Cub. Cub.

Cub, Cub, jug, and, Cub, Jug, and Waymo. Cubs is some cub and jug bullshit. By the way, I do not buy that there's 120 jugs out there. There's no way. That's too. You live in California. Craig, can you conceive of how many 400 million is? There's just not 120 jugs.

I don't trust the math. I don't trust whatever. Jugs. There's not 120. Where the legal name is jug? I don't buy it. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai.

Thank you, Krellas. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Emails at ringerfincy football, g-gm.com, for fantasy cores who will settle your core cases, emails trivia questions. I want to know more about plasma. Thank you, Lord.

Lord. Thank you, Citizen Cope. Oh, nice. Do you remember him? Nice. There's one song that our song and a rise in a muirian. That one's great.

The end of Sunset Anarchy and Bullet in the Target. Oh, yeah. Remember that one. I was really into a few of his songs like in the mid-a-auts. Let the drummer kick. Oh, yeah. Let the drummer kick.

Which I always thought was let the draw. Is he still around? Like, is he alive? No, I mean, like, is he touring and stuff? I mean, maybe is he alive also. He is alive. He's 57. Wow. Is it just one guy?

Yeah. I don't think so. Band thing going on. It's not a little guy. Clarence Greenwood. It's a cool name. Did you guys ever watch sense of anarchy? I watched like a, I think the first season or so.

I watched it live when it was good. And then, like, I just fell off and I came back and everyone was like, this is good. I think it was good. There's some really good actors in that. There's a new Netflix show out about James Garfield that I want to watch. Oh, yeah. So that was, didn't, um... The cat?

God damn it. That was actually pretty good. I want to say Derek Thompson did, you know, he did a whole episode on James Garfield. What was I doing where we got to James Garfield? He was talking about Sons of Anarchy and then Craig, I think, thought of a different show that he wanted to watch. Oh, okay. Like, I had just heard that this show was good

and you saying that people were talking about it. It looks really good. It looks really good. And I recommend highly listening to the James Garfield episode on, what does he call his history ones? Plain history. Plain history. Yeah, it's a plain English podcast.

It was about the biography of James Garfield. I think he had the author on. It was basically James Garfield didn't even want to be president. He's one of the more... But he was just like made for it because he was super smart. A genius. One of the most beautiful, extemporaneous speech.

of all time and is one of the lesser known presidents. They basically pressured him into doing it. Um, and then some things happened that you could show watching the show. Yeah, there's like a decent cast that somebody put, I think Michael Shannon plays James Goethe. Um, and then the guy from Succession plays another character. Which guy? Um, well, I didn't watch the show, so I don't remember his name.

He's the guy that, uh, he's the guy that interviews the Nazi guy. Matthew McFadion. He's, yeah, yeah. I love that you know succession from the memes. Yeah, I do. I honestly know succession from like memes and from clips on Instagram. That one's so good when he's like, have you ever read MindConn? He's like a couple times?

Did you miss some nuggets in there the first time? I like that, I like that period in history. Which part? Is it true that dog's name is just Hitler? Just checking the tilt. Just checking the till here. I think you're short a few million. Yeah, he's like eight million Germans, three million.

million Poles. You're missing a million Soviets. Dude, you're like, you should talk to Hitler? No, no, no, no. It's a totally different spelling. Dude, Tom Wamsgan's all-time character. Dude. I have watched a few episodes of that.

It's an incredibly capacious bag, Greg. The scene that I always see is where he's like, are you ready to sell your soul? I love when they eat the bird at that, like, fancy restaurant where they put the towel over their head and they have to eat the fucking, like, fried bird. Is that real? Hyvich, you know what I'm talking about that scene where they eat that bird?

It's like a whole bird, like a quail. Like when they go pheasant hunting or whatever? No, no, they're in a fancy restaurant and you are served like a full bird and you put like a rag over your head and then you eat the head off the bird. I have no idea. You don't remember that episode? He's at dinner with Greg. Bird eating.

Oh, it's a French delicacy called Ordolan. And now illegal in France. So it's real. It does seem real. Yeah, that does seem some real, fucked up, weird, rich people shit. It's cooked and eaten whole. Diners cover their heads

with their napkin or a towel while eating the delicacy. The bird is so widely eating that its French population has dropped dangerously low, leading to laws restricting its use in 1990. Wow. Damn.

By the way, the whole bird with a towel over your head in a restaurant. I don't want that. By the way, the show is called Death by Lightning on Netflix. Didn't he get shot? Well, you're going to have to find out.

Spoiler. I have one presidential conspiracy theory. Spoiler for something that happened. Two years ago. I bet you there was a guy didn't jug in that show. That would check out. One day I'll run you guys. I have one good presidential conspiracy theory.

One day. You'll let us know. One day, I'm excited to hear it one day. Waiting on baited breath. Is that how you say it? Is that the word? What does that even mean? All right.

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