The Ringer NFL Show - Mahomes x3, Sad Shanahan, Travis-Taylor Apex Mountain, and More Super Bowl Reactions

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

The guys recap the Super Bowl! They discuss the legacy of Mahomes and the Chiefs, the sadness of Shanahan and the 49ers, and the Taylor Swift of it all. They also get into Reba McEntire’s national anthem, the halftime show, and much more! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, guys, it's your boy Johnny Bananas, and I'll be covering all the treachery, deceit, backstabbing, and murder from Season 2 of the Traders U.S. on my podcast, Death Taxes, and Bananas. I'll be joined all season by my fellow castmates to swap stories, provide all the behind-the-scenes antics, and sorted details from filming. So Sally 4th, and join me for Season 2 of the Traders every Saturday on the Ringer reality TV podcast feed. show, my name is Danny Hypatts, and I am joined by Danny Kelly, Craig Corlbock, and the last ringer fans and football show of the year, but we're doing the ringer NFL

draft shows, so don't you worry, we're not going to watch. The last one, three o's of the season. Kansas City Chiefs defeat the San Francisco 49ers and overtime, 25-22. What are you think for all those Super Bowl boxes? Wow. Close game, Jim. Reba McIntyre said Brave twice, Jim. Do they stop the clock after the first brave or the second brave, Jim?

I don't know. when Romo said, well, you know, if the Chiefs let the clock run out of overtime, Jim, it's the first quarter of overtime. And I was like, is he? Like, what's going on with that guy? I just want to say that Romo was terrible in this game. I watched this game.

I wasn't feeling well, so I stayed home from the Super Bowl party. And so I listened to every single second of Tony Romo and watched every commercial. Romo was not good. Brian Curtis, here at the ringer pointed out that Tony Romo doesn't know the names of any of the offensive linemen or linebackers. He doesn't know the defender's names or the line.

And once I heard that, I've never been able to watch it the same way. He doesn't know any lineman names. He did the thing that Curtis pointed out where he's like, if the 49ers come back and win this game, like, you know what I mean? Like, just picking one random play to like decide the game. He starts talking and has no idea where he's going. Speaking of which, that's my favorite thing. That's what me and Roma have in common.

Who do you feel worse for, Romo or Shanahan right now? $20 million to work one day wait. Just vibes-wise. All right, we'll go through everything. I don't know where you guys want to start, but obviously, so Chiefs, back-to-back Super Bowl champions, three Super Bowls in five years.

There's so much to get to. Yeah. I don't know. What do you guys want to start? We can start with the Chiefs. We can start with the Shanahan's sadness or just like what your actual instant reactions just with this game. I feel like we have to start with, you know,

we went back and forth. Hyphitz, you went back and forth with us so much. D.K. and I were, we're adamant. that we wanted to bet Mahomes because he's Mahomes and that when push comes to sub, we just want Mahomes at the end of the game. And it's kind of exactly like how this game played out. I mean, this was a close game,

and it basically came down to the Niners kicked field goals and the Chiefs scored touchdowns. And that was kind of the difference. And it was Mahomes. 100%. I mean, I think that this game was, I mean, I think this game in an nutshell to me, the play I will remember other than the obvious

Mahomes been great. I think the play that represents the entire Chiefs, season. If I could pick one play and be like, that was Kansas City. It was Marquez Valdez. Running backward. Running backward with the fucking ball.

Have you ever seen that? The whole year, the whole run of the Super Bowl, we're just like, man, these guys can't catch. And actually the one goddamn time that MVS held on to the ball. And he's like, oh, it should be second and three. He's like, what if I ran 10 yards backward to give you second and 13? I've never seen that. Like, the only time I've ever seen that is when a guy like tries to turn a play, like

tries to reverse the field and gets tackle like, but he just like got spun around and ran the wrong direction. Debo Samuel does that. Not Marquez-Valdives Scaling. I actually think to your point, DK, not guys who like were trying to run an end around or like do a lateral play. I think it was the worst yards after the catch play

I've ever seen it in a competitive game. But to the point, what is the chiefs, if not for the receivers go 10 yards backwards so that Mahomes could go 40 yards forward? Like that was the season, literally from week one with Cadarius Tony. And then the fact that my, Holmes just literally hands on his helmet surrender cobra when he saw MVS do that.

And then it was like, screw, whatever. Went back to him on the next play. And then they won the game. But like eight plays later, they're in the end zone to me, Cole Hardman, right? Oh, it's absolutely perfect. It's it is the two guys like the two out of the three stooges because they've got three of them. MVS. MvS.

MECO Hardman. And then, of course, Tony. But Tony was inactive, probably mercifully for all of us. Yeah. Yeah, that was a smart move. Literally probably won the game because he did play. Anyway, well, Holmes literally won a Super Bowl with the three stooges at receiver. Obviously, he has Kelsey.

Kelsey was great in the second half anyway, and over time. But yeah, I just thought it was so emblematic of this chief's offense and this chief's season in general that the guys, the Super Bowl heroes, the guys making Super Bowl catches touchdowns in this game are McCull Hardman and Marcus Valis scaling. Like those are the guys Mahomes is dealing with and he's still won the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? It's just wild. I think that the argument for Patrick Mahomes

as the second greatest quarterback ever. Like I think it's Brady's in his own tier just for the longevity of it. I think Joe Montana and Mahomes is like already tier two. And the argument is this. The Chiefs traded away Tyree Kill and just won two Super Bowls. And in that time,

two Super Bowl's. Tyree Kill is consensus the greatest receiver in the NFL since he left. the only reason he didn't win an offensive player of the year is because he got hurt. Consensus best receiver. They replaced the consensus best receiver with like the consensus worst receivers. Like Tony and MVS and guys who cannot like literally the best and worst players.

And then not only did by Hobbes be like, hey, deal with it, bud. The chiefs also weirdly just can't do third and one. They can't do fourth and one. They can't run up the middle. They're like, you know what? You know what Patrick just fucking deal with it. So he's like receivers to run backwards. Like third and one, fourth and one, the final drive of the year with the season on the line.

Like, all right, Patrick, you're the leading rusher. You're the fourth of line. You're the fourth and one short yardage back. He literally, I think that this game and this season stretched the limits of how much one player can matter in a team game. Do you think if you made a list of a one to a hundred of the 100 receivers in the NFL that like matter, do you think MVS, Hardman and Tony would be like 98, 99 and 100? like where, can you think of anyone you'd rather not have? All three of them are from 90 to 100. Like literally, I actually think, and I love Justin Watson, but he played the best of them.

I think they're probably at all in between 95. And even Justin Watson had a bit like a pretty bad drop in the game too. Yeah. It's just crazy. Yeah, this was supposed to be their off year. I mean, like I felt like last year they eked out a Super Bowl. And it was like, wow, they like, they stole one without like a real wide receiver. And now they did it again.

I mean, this team was basically, they played one home game in the playoffs. They were underdogs in every game after the wild card game. They had to play a wild card game. Like, they didn't even get a first round by. They were really weird this season. Their old line was worse. Like, I just can't believe that they did this with this team this year. So, dude, hope is at an all-time low if you're in the AFC.

Like, I just swear to God. Like, Craig, you nailed it. The Chiefs, like, again, the reason the Chiefs traded Tyree Kill was because when Christian Kirk got 17 million years from the Jaguar. Tyree Kills like, well, I'm definitely worth one and a half Christian Kirk's. And the Chiefs, like, shit, we can't. Because Mahomes had just been running around the Bucks Super Bowl. And they just lost the Bucs Super Bowl because Mahomes.

And they're like, we cannot get this guy hurt. We cannot Andrew Luck, Patrick Mahomes. So they're like, we have to invest in the O line. The Chiefs made the conscious decision to sacrifice 2022 and 2023 at the altar for the entire decade. They're like, Mahomes will be healthy. We invest in the O line in the defense. We, you know, we suck it up. It sucks.

Like, we won't be as competitive without Tyreek. But, like, this is the right long-term decision. And then they won the goddamn two Super Bowls, and they're still set up for the tech. And that's the thing you have to, like, understand with this big picture, is they made a long-term decision at a short-term sacrifice. And now they won it. And they have the youngest defense in the NFL.

This is the first team to go back-to-back in 20 years. That's Brady. It's not like they have any offensive players. They need to, like, give huge contracts to. There's nobody. Like, who do you even want to pay? The Rams is a rookie. The Rams were like, fuck them picks.

The Rams went all, literally, you know what it is? It's if you have a Dynasty League, like, the Rams are the guy who trades all their picks away to win now. The Chiefs sold all their players to collect picks and then just like, oh, shit, I guess I just won. Like, literally, they did it by accident. They weren't trying full throttle. It's, everyone is so fucking screwed. I'm sorry for the few kids. Everyone who's competing with these people

It's so demoralizing. Do you remember a month ago, Jamar Chase was like, and they asked him on Sports Center, like, who do you want to win the Super Bowl? He's like, anyone but the Chiefs. Yeah.

And like, and that's one of the teams that's beaten the Chiefs. If you're Herbert and the Chargers, if you're like, Lamar and the Ravens, Josh Allen and the Ravens, Josh Allen,

these are all just characters in Mahomes story. It's like Jordan. It's like Brady. It's like this is insane. I found myself during the game because obviously the 49ers' defense was absolutely freaking flying all over the place

in this game. They were very impressive. Helped the Chiefs to three points in the first half. The Chiefs couldn't do anything in the first half. But at the same time, like, legitimately, I remember having our conversation on the pod the other day. And at no point was I, like, worried about the Chiefs. I was like, they're going to come back for sure. You know what I mean?

Like, especially when the 49ers kind of let them hang around. And so, yeah, it was just like exactly like we talked about. But Holmes is inevitable. He just, he's inevitable. He's inevitable. He's sitting there laughing. What are you laughing about? Nothing.

I saw something on Twitter. What was the tweet? What was the tweet? Somebody responded to my tweet about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift driving home from Vegas. And I posted the photo of Dustin Hoffman and the girl from the graduate. What do we do now? Like we have to hang out? I don't know.

It doesn't matter. It's a stupid comment. I will say if you're Kelsey, well, two things of this, but I will say, dude, Travis Kelsey, like, Travis Kelsey, like, beat his brother in the Super Bowl 12 months ago and then started dating the most famous woman alive and then just won another Super Bowl. It's pretty good, pretty good year. It's like, what's the crazy award of the rewatchables? Like, not just Apex Mountain, but this is the plaque year.

Yeah, a Hall of Fame plaque. Also, like, man, the humility that Jason Kelsey must possess to be able to still like Travis Kelsey is remarkable. Like, I don't like when my brother, like, gets picked. me, you know, playing pickup basketball in the backyard, like by my dad or something, like, let alone date the most famous woman in the world, beat me in the Super Bowl and then win another Super Bowl right after that? He's Warren's Chiefs gear at the game.

Yeah. All time good brother. Did you see Kelsey's speech when he was like, Viva Las Vegas? And then Taylor Swift, like, did you see Swift get the ick? I know. I was actually, I was talking to Craig about this before the show hype. I was like, do you think, like, do you think she was embarrassed or perhaps? of him when he sang the entire chorus

to Viva. He said it like five times. He's still going. She was like offended. You know, I feel like she finally reached the experience of just like having a husband that you like love but also like are really embarrassed by. Yeah. And then he said you get

you have the right or you have to fight for the right to party. He's saying the full choruses to two songs in his speech. Different songs. Oh my God. But no, there's so much, but I think the thing, it's amazing how the outcome, especially in a game that goes to overtime,

is just kind of, erases so many things that otherwise would be stories. But I think that the overall, they really went out of their way to be like, the chiefs are a dynasty. I'm like, I know. I don't know why they wanted to say that so much. But the thing that is, to me, very patriots like.

And it's not necessarily, I think Mahomes, DK, you nailed this about Tom Brady, that he had the Alexander, the great quality that everyone with him is like, yeah, we can't die. And the other team feels it too. And that's like the biggest part is like the other team is like intimidate. There's an intimidation factor.

It happens even at the highest levels. You know what I mean? Totally. And I also think that the chiefs are in a very unique spot. They're kind of impervious right now because I would say most teams who win the Super Bowl the next year is an obvious letdown spot. It's like coming down from a high. The chiefs because they keep winning when they're technically not really supposed to like

Hyphids line, you know, mapped out with all the like post-tire kill stuff. these are supposed to be their off years. Now it's kind of like, they have this like untapped confidence now where it's like, it doesn't fucking matter who's on our team. It doesn't matter if we just won a Super Bowl, if we just won two Super Bowls.

Like, to me, their confidence is going to be just as high. The target's on their back. It's been on their back. They don't care about that. They're like unbridled right now with power. She's going to sign DeAndre Hopkins. Like fucking Thanos. Like I, there are Thanos.

And I think dissimilar, though, is that I think Brady got the inevitable thing, in part by winning when they were not fucking good in doing it anyway. The Rams Super Bowl, the second time they won, was like not really a good Super Bowl, the second time they beat the Rams. But this one similarly, dude, the cheese fumbled five times in this fucking game. Yeah, nobody. Because she's fumbled five times. They recovered it four times? Or what was it? Three. Yeah. That's the thing. The Niners, again, I think that part of the Patriots thing, it's not that they never made mistakes, but it's

no one ever made the Patriots pay for their mistakes. Like, literally, but they made you pay. in this game, Isaiah Pacheco lost a fumble. Patrick Wohombs to repent. In the red zone? Yeah. Not only did they, Niners get no points off that.

The nineers got no first downs. They went three and out after the two turnovers. And then the other four times the Chiefs fumbled, they just got the ball back. How many times, and that's official?

Maybe God just hates the 49ers. I don't know. That might be true. Well, all right, we'll get to that, yeah. But how many little fumbles almost got by Mahomes? Anyway,

but the flip side of the 49ers. Dude, Shanahan. I feel bad for him at this point, honestly. Yeah. I feel bad. This is this third Super Bowl. He was an OC in one of them, but the third Super Bowl in which he's had a 10-point lead,

double-digit point lead and squandered it. He's like a Greek myth. It's, yeah, it's a tragedy. It's, uh, I honestly do feel bad for him. And I'm a Seahawks fan. So like, the fact that I'm saying that, dude, D. D.K. hates the 49ers.

He actually, he really, really, does. I was like, man, D.K. I feel bad for San Francisco. And he's like, yeah, me too. But like, also, who cares? No, it's, it's like late in the thing. I covered the Seahawks back in the day and had like all kinds of fun interactions with 49ers fans.

And that was like a great rivalry back in the day. There was like incredible hatred between the Seahawks and 49ers. But yeah, I mean, I had some pretty mean emails from 49ers fans back in the day. So I have a grudge, if you will. Shanahan being up double digits in every. Super Bowl and losing all of them is really tough. Like, I kind of think this one's the worst one because they weren't better for like a lot of the game in a game.

They're up 28 to 3 in a football game. I'm saying with him as head, too. Well, no, that obviously that's the worst one ever. Literally and figuratively. No, that's the worst one ever. But also, only two overtime Super Bowls ever. He's lost both of them. And they should have gone to overtime, but like 20 to 3 ones worse.

But they missed a fucking extra point, lost in overtime. Like, that's awful. That's the thing is if they make the extra point, they probably win. Dude, I, it's like, thinking about this forever. He hit like three clutch field goals. It wasn't his fault. It was a good play by Kansas City, but it's still just like,

it's one of those things. It's one of those, you know how like the lions, all their first run picks? People would have been like great picks in the second round and the second round picks in the first. Jake Moody, like, missed the extra point. It was fault, but they also made like 250-yard kicks, so it's like whatever.

You think you think the miss, blocked PAT is his fault? He didn't get you kick a too old. PATs should not, they're close enough. They should never be kicked at a trajectory. Yeah. They're not supposed to be blockable.

The reason they get blocked is because they're not, you have to be 11 feet tall. Yeah, yeah. I know. But the, um, the, dude, so I was thinking about this. Like a lot of people,

so I'm from the Bay and I, I'm like, not really, my dad is a dire, not his fan, but I was raised a Steelers fan. It's a whole thing. But all my friends are obviously like, like on the edge of a cliff right now.

now. And they're all pointing fingers at Shanahan. Like, this is all Shanahan to them. I'm so glad you brought this up. Shanahan is Andy Reid now. Like, in Greek mythology, like Atlas holds the sky and he tricks Hercules to holding it. Like, Andy Reid gave Kyle Shannon his old life. Andy Reid was the 2000s genius who, like, great regular season coach can't win in the playoffs. How many mailbacks did Bill Simmons write?

Making fun of Andy Reid's clock management. Andy Reid can't win the big game. 80 reads this. And it's like punishment for being really good. Like Andy VIII for straight-in-stampions championship games, blew the Super Bowl the Patriot in 2005, even with the Chiefs before Mahomes. Dude, the Chiefs had before 28 to 3 at the Falcons,

the worst playoff collapse like in our lifetime was the Chiefs play a larger lead to the Colts in Andrew Luck. Like a 28-point lead in the third quarter of the Chiefs lost. They lost a 21 to 3 lead. They blew to Marcus Marioota. And the Titans is the only good moment Mario's career was he came back 18 points against the Chiefs. She's like Andy Reid was the choker guy.

And then he got Mahomes. And guess what? He's beating Kyle Shannon in the Super Bowl twice. And he's like, guess what, bitch? No, that's you. And I think on one hand, it's, like, you have to remember like, hey, Cal Shannon's still kind of young. Like, he still could do what Andy Reid just did.

But the flip side is, Andy Reid did need to change his scenery, didn't he? I don't know. But like, I think that's really where Shannon is right now. Oh, I just think it, yeah. It's just tough because- Are you floating that Shannon needs to go? He's not going to get fired, obviously. No, it's like Reed in that.

it's a reminder that life is, but like I really do think that Shanhan's exactly where Andy Reid was in like 2006. I just think it's tough because the 49ers were, this was, they were constructed to win the Super Bowl. Like this is their, this is like their window for sure because they had, you know,

they were able to, what they were able to do with like their quarterback on a really cheap deal. They were able to go like make a bunch of moves. They've hit on all these different players in the draft. And it was all there for them. They were like a favorite, I think, in every single game this year. You know what I mean? Like they were the team that should win the Super Bowl.

They were perfectly constructed to win the Super Bowl. And now they don't do it. And it's like this could unravel for them. Yeah, it's just really tough. Because like getting back there is going to be really, really difficult, obviously. It's a fucked up prediction. But I actually think this game will destroy the 49ers. As we know it.

This is like the sea of fucked lost. It is. And I know that it's fucked up because. On one hand, it's like, yes, one of the reasons Super Bowl teams fall apart is because it's hard to make the Super Bowl. Having said that, I do think that a thing we underestimate is that winning just erases all your cultural problems. And that, like, Kelsey Screaming at Andy Reid would be a thing. But then they win, so no one remembers or cares or even they don't. But then when you lose, like, I think, again, we talk about the Falcons lost, destroyed the Falcons.

And they, like, literally went to a cliff and tried to talk about it. and we're like, we'll never talk about this again. Guess what? Everyone didn't just get over it when they left the cliff. Like the Seahawks, like... They flew to Hawaii. Yeah, the defensive players, like Blaine Russell Wilson forever, blew up the Seahawks.

Like, low-key, Sean Payton, I think, underrated with the Saints, had such a good... Like, the Saints lost, the Minneapolis miracle was Stefan Diggs on the touchdown. The next year was the NFC championship game with the past interference. Then they come back and they lost the game on a fumble at the three-minute mark

where they were winning. And it was impressive to keep guys together for so long. Shannon's had this half-decade run of like the Super Bowl in 2019, George Kitt, like all the Bozo, George Kidd, all these guys were freaked out that they would net, they'd peak to 23, 24. And they get all the way back here, especially after last year,

you lose all your quarterbacks in the championship game. I don't think emotionally these guys can recover, frankly, this group of people. It's definitely, it's tough. You have to have the stars aligned to have a team this dominant and this good. Um, yeah, I don't know. Like obviously, pretty's not going anywhere. So they're still going to be really good.

They're still young offensively. Yeah. Other than, you know, Trent Williams and Kittle, I guess. But, um, I think they'll be back. You know, I don't think the NFC is that strong. I think they'll be fine. But this is, this is just so brutal. This game was such an ugly slug fest to start.

There was fumbles left and right. The Niners are moving the ball on the ground. And then it's halftime. Spags comes out. throws a no-hitter in the third quarter. Once again, Spags, the goat, shuts down the Niners. The only coordinator,

offensive defense, have four Super Bowl wins. It's crazy. And it's like, head coaching job, I'm good. I'm just going to stay right here in Kansas City,

win another Super Bowl. Thank you. You mentioned Purdy, though. It's weird. Pretty played well. Yeah, well, yes, yes. Well, I think Purdy played well.

You mentioned Spagnoll. Chris Jones saved the fucking game. because party had two touchdowns, one that was open to Debo Samuel, and one I want to say it was the Brandon Ayuk. Chris Jones was in his face for both of them, and he didn't have time to complete either.

It's like the Aaron Donald thing against Joe Burrow in the Super Bowl where it's like they had an open touchdown and the pressure just got there so quickly. It's like you'll never know what had happened. But the Debo Samuel touchdown in particular, I felt like, was a little bit reminiscent of the Jimmy G missing, was it Emmanuel Sanders down the field

in the last time these two teams played in the Super Bowl? It wasn't, you know, obviously having pressure in your face like that, I think it was a little bit more of a... He was a little, he had to throw it a little more urgently than Jimmy G. did. But the margins are so thin. Yeah. That was there. Like, the Debo was open for the touchdown.

That was there. He was wide. He had him by, like, two steps. And also just goes to show that like Spags dials up his blitzes at such perfect times and disguises them so well, because on the flip side, there was a crucial third down. It was in the fourth or either overtime. And Wilkes and the Niners dialed up a huge blitz against Mahomes.

And Romo, it was the only good part of Romo's performance today was the Niners send like everybody on a third and like five or six or something. Mahomes feels it, immediately dumps it off to Rushie Rice like a 12-yard gain. And during the blitz, as the play was happening, Mahomes goes, or Romo goes, I wouldn't have done that. Like, that is not a blitz you call in that moment. And he was like, Mahomes felt it immediately. It's an easy read for him. Like, that is not what you do.

But on the flip side, Spag's doing that to Purdy worked almost every time. And you're so right, Craig. And it's funny. So we talked about this a little bit on Friday about, shout out Cody Alexander at match quarters. We talked also about Spagnollo. At some point, the Niners line up so tight, tight, tight condensed that at some point, she was going to quarterback blitz. And they just threw the McDuffy blitz at the perfect time.

and he got there, and that was another one. I will say, though, I feel bad for the 49ers defense because I got to tell you, until the end of the game, I kind of think they did a phenomenal job. The line was incredible for like three quarters. Which, again, times of flats, I really think Carl Shanahan in 10 years is going to be like McCona and true detective.

He's going to be like a mustache, but he's going to run a bar, and he's going to be a drinking loan star. He's like, like, ah, I don't know. Like, he just lost this Super Bowl. Like, it's three quarters. They played Baham's so well in 2019. And then this one,

the moment that hit me was when Mahomes tried to do a jump pass so no one was open and he just landed and took a sack. And like I was like like that to me felt representative of what had happened that the magic wasn't there. And so he was sufficiently sacked. Wow, three times. That's not true because there were two third in longs where he ran for like two yards. Right, right, right.

Yeah. But like he really took five sacks in this game. Yeah. And it just. just at the end. They got it. But like three and a half quarters, the Niners D was doing great.

Mahomes is going to go down, I think, as the most underrated sneaky scrambler in the history of the position. If that guy wanted to, I think he could run for like 600 yards a year if he really wanted to. It's like when Will it,

I'm going to lead the league and assists one year. I really think Mahomes could have 700 rushing yards if you wanted to one year. Well, in overtime, so I just was jotting down

some notes on this. There was a fourth and one. for the game. Sick call, too. And they had a, they basically called like a little, like rollout where Kelsey was running sort of a flat route

and Mahomes could either keep it or pass to Mahomes. You know what that play really was? Kelsey or whatever. You know what that play really was? That was a basketball play. That was very much like a option, but like,

it was really kind of like a pick and roll. But honestly, you know what it reminded me? It was like the football run version of Jordan's shot where like he, he like pulls up He takes the drive to the basket

and like pulls up with the jumper against the calves. No, it's the jazz. You're like the jazz game? There's like the 1999 crossover. Yeah, where he like shoved Byron Russell or whoever the guy was. Yes.

And it was in reverse though because Jordan developed that shot because he knew that he wasn't as fast getting the basket. And I think that that version was like in this case the jumper is like flipping the ball to Kelsey. But do you remember a couple weeks ago

he had the same thing where he's going to run it? The last fucking second he flipped it to Kelsey. It was like insane. in the Kelsey. It was like that in reverse. But I thought so not to, I, I didn't think Romo was quite as bad as you did, Craig. Because I thought in that moment, too, he had another good point.

He was like, the chiefs are not taking the ball out of Mahomes' hands in that situation. It's fourth and one for the season. You're not handing it off. But, okay, whatever. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. He just said no half in two weeks to learn like anyone's name. That's low-hanging fruit to be like, got to keep it in Mahomes's hand.

He's like the best player in the world. Okay, that's fair. Then later in the, later in the drive, later in the drive, he has. had a 19 yards scrabble, too, on third down for another first down. So, Craig, to your point, like, he is, he's incredible. We were talking about, like, what separates him and Brady. And obviously, Brady beat him in the Super Bowl. Brady's got way more Super Bowl's weight.

Brady has the longevity. He's, like, Brady's the goat. But, like, Mahomes is a little more dynamic than Brady. Because he can scramble around, like, Brady can't, like, couldn't, you know. You know what I also wonder is, so, like, on that show, quarterback, was Brady doing all of the like longevity flexibility stuff in his mid-20s? I don't think so.

Because I think Mahomes is starting now. It started after the ACL. Yeah, like the weird shit he's already doing makes me think that he's not going to have any issue playing at 40 and beyond. On that note, I think you're so right, Craig,

because the, look, nothing's promised. Like Kyle Shannon once said, we could all die tomorrow. Honestly, dude, Drake Greenlaw. Had like an incredible first two series And then fucking tears his Achilles running onto the field. Which is it confirmed?

He tore it? Yeah. How awful is that? I think so, yeah. I've never seen that before in my life. I think it's almost worse than not being able to play. Like being in the game and like actually, he like kind of ended the first series for the Chiefs.

Oh, dude, they're flying around. I got to say, like people tear that thing in the most innocuous way. I was playing pickup basketball with a guy two years ago. He just like caught the ball, planted back to cut towards the hoop, popped it. Just like Kobe did. And like, Drey Greenlaw was,

literally just on the sideline kind of bounced and then just kind of jogged onto the field, popped it. Like these are the most, you know, talented, strong freak athletes in the world. And that thing can go at any second off just a typical plant and cut. You know how like when people start telling you about like their back injuries, you kind of start like sitting up and fixing your posture? Whenever players hurt their Achilles, I just kind of like start stretching my legs. I'm just like, why don't normal people like like loser 35 year olds out there playing pickup

basketball every week? Like why aren't they tearing their Achilles? knock on wood. They are. They are. Knock on wood. You just don't knock on wood. You don't hear about it.

Kobe Bryant, during his recovery, he said that all that happened to him was 50-year-old men came up to him and started telling him about their own Achilles' recoveries and coffee shops in the way. Like that's what he said it was like every cover. He added a conversation every day. I want them to start doing like preventative surgery on Achilles tendons somehow. Get like a. I know.

Put some rubber band. It's a business idea there. Speaking of injuries, though. So the Niners had a very, obviously, Drake Greenlaw got hurt early on. Kittle got hurt late in the game left and came back and the backup tied in actually came in and screwed up and caused the penalty. Debo got hurt, came back.

John Feliziano, the guard. Debo looked like he was legitimately hurt. He looked like he like extremely hurt his hamstring. Leaves for not, you know, a couple minutes and just his right back and was fine the rest of the game. What did they do to him? They give him the Will Fuller juice? I think it's drugs.

I just couldn't believe it. Like he could barely walk. Like he was like immobile on the ground. Five minutes later, he was like on an end around sprinting 20 miles an hour. Well, I think I think he better. I don't know. Kittle was weirded to me because I was like, what is Kittle so hurt for? What did he do in the locker room?

Yeah. Well, I think he probably did, um, shots. Shots. Shots. Shots. Yeah. Maybe they don't talk enough about how players are just like sometimes high as

balls during these games. We like never. I know. It is actually why. That was like when Aaron Rogers came back in, uh, did a post game interview and like a southern accent. Yeah, he's like, I'm like, dude,

you're from fucking California and you live in Wisconsin. Like, why are you talking? Like you're, like, yeah, he's probably on

so much fucking Vikingian right now. Just to know what's going on. You know one thing I liked about this game was, did I already say this? I'm punched drunk. If I already said this,

let me know. But it's all the Vicodin. Yeah, I hurt my shoulder earlier, so I'm hopped up. Sitting down in my chair to record this podcast, I pop the Achilles.

It's a tough, it's a tough game out here. I like that. This game, DK, you'll appreciate this. It was not mired in any referee controversy. This was a clean game. Like last year, it was like that damn holding call.

Nobody wanted to give it the Super Bowl of the Chiefs because the holding call in the secondary. And this game was like, I would say the refs were fairly uninvolved. There was not a ton of controversial calls. The turnover split was even. This was like a true, like, the Chiefs won the game,

the Niners lost. It was the Clid Coast game. But there was nothing you could really blame it on other than the teams themselves. Yeah. I think there was, number one, the play with shoot, McDuffie,

who had balled out the entire game, by the way. Troy McDuffie was awesome in this game, but then he did have a really crucial holding penalty on the... 3rd and 13th. Yeah. For the, yeah, like a really crucial play. But that was pretty clearly like a penalty, right? That was an overtime to start overtime.

The only other play that I will throw out there that I want to get your guys as quick take on is the Kyle Eusecheck, catch, no catch. I'm so glad they didn't even review it. I'm so glad. I thought it was fine. I don't know. I thought that was actually,

I actually think we fixed the catch rule because they in the Super Bowl, that just happened and everyone was like, yeah, one, two, football move, good. Yeah. Like, that was clearly, that was clearly fun.

Yeah. It was, they showed it. Well, I think they did the expedited replay, which, ironically, before the rest got so bad this show, it's actually a great innovation where they're just like,

they kind of do, I think my rule of, yeah, we watched it once. Who cares? Craig, overall, I agree with you.

there was a couple of spots that I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? But at the end of the day, there was no plays. I thought that, like, can we go a step further? Tarnished the game. You know what I mean?

I say, I think you too should go a step further here. This game is exactly how you want football called because they just decided not to call holding and all the hells he should give a shit about. There was no PI's, I don't believe. The McCaffrey touchdown had two,

like, or I guess there's no pass interference, or no pass interference. What am I going to say? Holding because of the way the ball was thrown. But Karloff, this is, probably whole, it's a bunch of stuff.

But like, legal man downfield, maybe. Yeah, I'm like, don't call that on strict play. Who cares? But they didn't. So. Yeah, ultimately it was fine. I thought, I didn't think about the rest really in this game that much. I think there was like one or two spots where I'm like, that spot was not good.

But other than that, it's like whatever. Speaking of controversial calls, I want to talk about a lot of people were upset about, and I'm curious what you guys think. What do you think about Shanahan deferring? No, taking the ball. Sorry, Shannon not deferring and taking the ball to start overtime. A lot of people had issues with that. So I think two things.

Mahomes said after the game that that's what they wanted, and if they had won the toss, they would have picked. They wanted the ball second. And obviously Shannon gave them the ball second. I actually think Romo made a good call on that one as well, though. Romo said, and we should hear what Shannon says after the- Free Romo. Romo had a good game.

Romo said. He didn't. He didn't. I'm telling you. Stupor. Romo said, I don't know he's doing the locker room either. But Romo said in his stupor that the chiefs, sorry, the 49ers defense had just been on the field

for like seven minutes. That's what I thought too. Mahomes was on a roll and the Niners just had an extended drive with their defenses on the field. I feel like you don't want to run that back twice. The flip side is that when you get the ball second and overtime, one, you know the points you need to score, whether you need three or seven.

And also you automatically get four down territory as opposed to when you get the ball first, you don't and you could put on fourth. Craig, that is the difference. So I agree with you. I actually understand both sides. If his defense was gas, Mahomes just torched them.

once. It's like, are you really going to send them back out there? Here's to me the criticism of shit. And again, I guess the overall, the way we look at in this analytics, math, whatever, like, I think that sometimes we make it like sound like it's fucking gibberish. I'm like, you know what most analytics is for fourth down? A touchdown's worth more than two field goals. Like, that's not analytics. That's seven's bigger than six. Like, that's what it's about at its core is like, hey, seven's bigger than six. Did you know that? Go front and fourth and one. Like, that's what it's about. Same thing. What you just said, is so important.

The core reason is if you know you need the downs, you have an extra down. You have one third more downs. Kyle Shannon's playing with three downs. Four is more than three. Yeah, four downs is better than three downs. You know exactly what you need to do.

That's a huge deal. Having said that, it's kind of like the, I don't want to go to like the down 14 points go for two thing. But the point be, it's kind of like blackjack in that sometimes when you're playing blackjack,

there's like hard math, of like, hey, if you do this, in the long run, you will win more hands. And it might not, you know, if you have, if you have 13 versus a two, we're sorry, wait, I got the back. The point is sometimes you want to hit. How many hot dogs versus buns are we talking about? I don't know, hot dogs and buns. No, but the point being like the, the reason I bring a blackjack is the coach's job is to

count cards. Like Shanhan's job is to actually be counting cards and adjusting the odds in his head. So the math people would come, hey, based on all the. the things that have ever happened in football history, these are the numbers. Shannon's job is to adjust that stuff to the current situation. I kind of don't know if Shannon's thinking

about the fourth down thing. I don't know if he's necessarily thinking about what you're saying, Craig, I'll have me extra down. Carlos just texted us, pointing out that isn't part of the logic also that if you get the ball first, you also get it third. So if you trade field goals or touchdowns, then you would get the ball

next in sudden death. That's fair. I think that Occam's razor here literally just like his defense was gassed were taking the ball. Which I don't even like disagree with that really. I agree. I don't think Shanahan called a bad game. I think this is not Shannonhan's fault. I think look, Jake Moody got a

kick blocked and that might be the difference. And like the final two drives of the game, I thought Shanahan went back to the run. I thought they were pretty balanced in the fourth and overtime. They moved the ball well. They just kicked two goals instead of scoring touchdown. Yeah. Also dude, we got to, the other thing that sucks for the 90s and shit. I agree,

I agree, Craig. I think that blaming this in Shanhanon's ridiculous. I thought he called a good game. Also, you got to remember, I kind of think the entire game is different if McAfrey doesn't fumble in the opening drive. Like, I think the nineers were absolutely rolling. Yeah, they had like three or four straight

10 yard plus plays to start the game. They're like in their bags. Yeah. I don't know about you guys. So the first half, the first four drives, the chiefs had a good two minute warning kind of drill. They ended up with the field goal. The first four drives to the chiefs.

They had that one long play to Miko, Hardman, which was kind of a bad play. It should have been a pick. It was kind of an accident. It was underthrown. Well, the defensive back, like, didn't see the pass. Yeah, I literally, I don't want to see. It was a lucky play. He was so shocked, Mahomes threw it to McColl Hardman.

Dude, I know, right, though. Are you sure? But if we're going to count that, the Chiefs literally had three plays that were good. Like, three plays over like four yards in the first like the first four drives. They had 10 points going into the fourth quarter, I think. We're 13. The Niners

had 100 more yards than the Chiefs, but they couldn't turn any of it into points. And it's, it's, I feel bad. But we have to, I want to shout out Joanne Jennings, though, who I swear to God, if McAfrey would have been the MVP for the Niners, I think Joanne Jennings would have been second. Sixth Man of the Year award. Yes. Comes in every time and like makes big plays.

He's Robert Ori. That's for people that are old. Sneaky two touchdowns. Do you guys know, do you guys know Robert Ory? Yeah. Sure. He has eight rings, I believe, right? Just comes in and hits threes when his team needs him.

That's all. Just game winning. Game winning threes. You need one? I got you. That's all I'm going to do. Joanne Jennings. Come in and get you third downs.

He was incredible. I also, so shout out of Chris Jones. I do want to shout Chris Jones. He changed the game again. It was actually really similar with the first one. Andy Reed. Did we talk about Andy Reed?

Do you know that Andy Reed is like the third most Super Bowls ever? Do you know his tradition of having a cheeseburger before every Super Bowl? Maybe. Yeah. Maybe don't do that. Do you want to talk about? If you want to talk analytics, Andy, maybe don't need a cheeseburger right before the game. If we want to talk probability, let's be safe.

You know what I mean? I love when Craig's California comes out. I'm just saying, like, a cheeseburger. Maybe a prebiotic. At 8 p.m. Yeah. Before, you know, 18 hours before the game. Oh, that's it.

Oh, okay, wait, this is good. Over under, Travis Kelsey goes to, like, sleep. I'm going to set it at over under 2 p.m. Monday. because he's going to have all these interviews and stuff tomorrow. Do you think he goes, like, I think over under 2 p.m. Monday when he, when you think he goes to sleep between now and then. Here's a question. Are they for sure staying out in Vegas tonight?

They are, right? Why would they leave Vegas? They're in Vegas. Well, because I'm trying to figure out whenever they leave is when he'll probably, like he'll probably crash on the flight back to whenever they leave. I don't think they're doing the parade Monday. And so I really, I really doubt they're leaving Vegas to go to Kansas City. They live in Kansas City.

So you think they're saying in Vegas till tomorrow afternoon? Yeah. Who's going to have more beers? Travis or Jason. Jason. Oh my God, dude. The parade is going to be insane. Jason's got a head start.

It's, dude, it's Jason minus four and a half. Kelsey's going to be, dude. Jason's a beer guy. Travis Kelsey's a shot guy to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kelsey's speech? How many songs? How many choruses do you think he sings?

God, his karaoke is probably tough. How many full chorus? of songs is he going to sing in his speech. Do you think that Taylor's kind of like, I wish I had my homes instead of Kelsey? One thing I was thinking is like, like if three weeks ago, Taylor Swift was like,

you know what? I don't know if this is my husband. Or like, I think the feeling might be waning a little bit. There's nothing she can do. You have to wait out this season. So like we don't really know until like two months from now

where things really stand. Because like, they're on this. Craig, you're really going for the Never on the early thing. I'm just saying if she was like losing interest in him in the divisional round and they kept winning, she's going to the games, it's like this whole thing.

You can't end up. You can't. You don't break up with someone like on Christmas Eve. Yeah. Also, can we just add to Taylor Swift's legacy here of like how many people when this first started were like, oh, she's going to be bad for the chief. She'd be a distraction.

We're like, you know, there was basically, there's a world where at some point she was going to be Yoko owned it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. You mean? Huh. Craig.

Speaking of being ashamed of someone. No, I liked it. Thumbs up. Two thumbs up from Roger Ebert. Just incredible for Taylor Swift to start dating guy. She ran so pure this year. Everything just clicked into place. Sometimes things just click.

Literally like this is a solid year. Offseason. I think this is up there with the greatest years anyone has ever had in the history of humanity. Apex Mountain right here. No, I agree with that, Craig. I think that's true. Like Apex Mountain like life. Straight up we need to go back to like Alexander the Great.

Right. I mean, this is genuinely very much up there. Did you guys know? Wait, do we want to, is there anything else we want to say about this game or do we want to pivot to all the dumb shit? Yeah, I just want to shut out Andy Reed for being really good. And we should probably come back to mountains. We could do dumb shit.

Reba McIntyre. What was that, man? I've been waiting for this. That Wiley Minks sang the national anthem. And when she was closing out Brave, it was clocking in right around 88, which I took the under on 88.5. And second, sorry. But then the trickster comes back with a second brave and holds that for like seven seconds.

The fix is in. Someone's got to check her her betting history here. Whatever they gave Debo Samuel's hamstring, they gave Reba's pipes. Because she held that longer than I've ever heard her sing in her damn life. She had a double-clot-shot, shot, shot. Oh, my goodness. However, Darren Reveld tweeted this, and the betting platform I used cashed me on the under of 88.5. I've won money on it.

I think that's kind of bullshit. I feel like the second brave should count, right? I mean, you got the money in your bank, so yeah, you can say whatever. Why don't you donate it? I'm happy to. You name the charity. I'll do it right now. Craig?

I've never seen Craig was apoplectic at what this happened, by the way. you know, donate to your platform of choice. I just think it's I think it's bullshit that she pulled a fast one on all of us and she's never done the second breath. She never doubled it before. We're just going to send them, hey, I have a donation I'd like to make to.

No, I, yeah. Reba, you were right about the pipes. I think she just double clutched it because, you know, she didn't have them. I will say, what happened with the, what happened with the, real quick, the boots, because she tweeted a picture of herself prior to the Super Bowl and blue boots.

I'm pretty sure she was wearing different boots when she actually sang the National Anthem. I wrote a prophet article. Again, she's just freaking moving the line and then she's like cashing in on it. Dude, blue is 10 to 1. Blue is 10 to 1. I think they were black.

We should look up what hit because I couldn't tell. She was wearing different boots than earlier. That Wiley Minks. Dude, what were the odds? What were the odds of someone calling her Wiley Minks? that was also 10 to 1.

All right, Rebo. What kind of boot you got on? Is Rebo McIntyre's husband, the cop from CSMIME? No idea. David Crusoe? No, no, the detective, the other cop. They're black. They were black.

They were black. That's what I thought. She changed him. She did. Boyfriend Rex Lynn. Yeah, this is the guy that, no, it's the guy that David Crusoe always has his one liners too. He's Rex lit.

It's like, oh, he's, um, talk about dixicle. Yeah. It's like, I'm stabbed with an ice pick. Guess this one's a cold case. Yeah.

Um, okay. Yeah. What did you guys think of the halftime show? Oh, it was great. Dude, he came out with some baby making music.

I thought it started out a little bit slow, but then, man, he fucking let it, just let it ride later. There was a bunch of really, guest. I thought Alicia Keys was awesome. I thought Ludacris was freaking great.

Little John. Little John. Oh, yeah. Little John. Dude, that was amazing. The whole thing was really fun. I'm a lot. Are we old? It freaked me out a little little John was there. Are we old? No, I don't think so. This isn't like the who we're talking about here.

Yeah, this is, we're fine. We're fine. I thought it was pretty good show. I'm going to be honest. The only thing I thought was weird is when it started out, it kind of seemed like he was in the middle of like a circus or he was in like a stage play. And I was like, is there no stage? Like, it was just him on the field. And there was like people doing cartwheels around him.

I was like, what is this going on? It was really well produced. The sound was bad at the first part two. The first third of it, the sound was mixed very poorly. Like, it was hard to hear him. And to your point, Craig, it looked random. Yeah, I was just like, did they get budget cuts? Like, it's just him on the field running around with like people like burlesque dancers

doing cartwheels around. did, and I was like, what is happening? Then they had the camera shot of whenever he was like rollerblading or whatever with the camera following, like, yeah, that is sick. That was really cool. I thought that was unreal. The rollerblading is such a high degree of difficulty. I think it's roller skating.

Roller skating is even harder, I feel like the rollerblading. I have no idea with the differences. Roller skating is. Is that not interchangeable? It's four wheels in a square and rollerblading is a single line of wheels. Those have different words for them? Yeah, yeah. What?

Are you talking about? Yes. You don't know the difference between roller blades and roller skates? I just think of a blade. Okay. Think of like a hockey. Like a hockey skate. Sorry.

Like that's like the shoes with wheels on them. I'm like, yeah, roller blades, roller skates. I don't know. You're out of here calling pre-games pre-funks and I'm like, sure.

I don't know. Your guys' generation probably didn't do a whole lot of roller skating. No, we got jobs. You guys had the internet. I roller skated like twice in my life. I used to go roller skating all the time, like growing up.

It was a thing that people did in my generation. I think that was really impressive by Usher. No, it was good. It's like he, this was not his first rodeo in terms of roller skating. Like he was doing, literally wasn't his first half-dum show. You know, with roller skates? Oh, that, no, I don't know if he roller. Well, at last time he had the blades.

Roller blades, yes. That had to have been Usher's choice. Like, I doubt they came to him and were like, hey, Usher, idea. Roller skates? He's like, by way, I've been training I've been training for 10 years on roller skating. I got to fucking use this in a concert.

I thought it was funny. There was a lot of people. He took a shirt off. He was incredibly sweaty. I've never seen a more sweaty person in my life. I noted that. But before he started doing stuff. It's like sweatyer than any player in the game.

How hot is it in there? I know it's Las Vegas. I thought this was a dull. Who's the person? Who's the person's like, oh, Chris Ries, this lines like Patrick Ewing and the, fourth quarter.

Yeah. Like he did look. He started doing way more athletic stuff. That's why he took his shirt off. He was just hot. That wasn't a part of the show. There was so many people tweeting about Alicia Key's husband during this. By the way, I was like, I was having secondary.

Secondary anxiety for Alicia Keys' husband during this whole show. I was just like, I was starting to feel a little bit bad for him. I don't know. They literally played that fake warning on the, to start the, thing, because again, it's the Spotify Music Halftime show. Shout-out. That's right. They did a great job. But they played the fake warning of like, will cause like

issues in your relationship. Did you guys know that somebody mentioned rodeo and it just reminded me of this. Did you know that during the game, Beyonce just dropped two songs? Oh, really? What? Yeah, there was a commercial. So she really did.

Oh, the commercial? Remember she was like breaking the internet? She dropped two songs and the reason why rodeo reminded me is because their country songs and they're and they're dope. The best one is called Texas Hold'em. Yes, Beyonce, I think, is coming out with a country album. The song is called Texas Holden and it's like great.

I also didn't realize she's doing like the reverse Taylor Swift. Yeah, she's going, yeah, she's now she's like, Taylor's left Nashville, I'm coming. Yeah. She's from Houston, Texas. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. That's an emperor state of mine.

Anyway, I thought the halftime show was dope. very fun. It was good. I don't think it was a top tier. I mean, it started out a little slow with them. They really hit their stride. It was like above average.

Like, I was entertained and pleased. Speaking of the Beyonce commercial, Beyonce commercial was good. Yeah. Yeah, that was for Verizon or something. Yeah. It's only a good commercial if you can remember the brand. Buster.

Buster Ploose was a bit. By that metric, Craig, I think the greatest commercial I've ever seen in my life might be the Michael Serer. Sarah Vee. There you go. That was the funniest shit I've ever seen. Michael, that's how advertising works.

I'm going to walk by, I'm going to, every night, I'm going to moisture and moisturize Sarah V. I'm going to think about Michael Sarah until I die. In general, I thought the commercials were kind of weak this year. I don't know why,

but it felt like more than ever, there were more superstar celebrities in commercials, and yet the commercials themselves, like, weren't that funny? It was just kind of celebrities being in them and kind of doing cheap, memes and the commercials to me had they were opaced very oddly they were edited too quickly they

they were just like overstuffed and jammed into 30 seconds and it was celebrities and it was like ben affleck and matt damon saying as many shitty jokes as they could squeezed into 30 seconds and like usually they cut to like the logo at the end it sits there for a while so you can see it yeah Brady and it's like even by at the end it's like dunga donuts and then it goes to the next commercial i just i feel like we're in a weird spot right now with advertising it's like if ai made a commercial i actually kind of thought the whole broadcast from CBS was like that though. You were right that the commercial editor poorly, kind of thought

the game, there were a couple times where like a chief's player was just hurt. They just never talked about it. They didn't show replays. They didn't show replays. Also, I got to say, look, I know why they don't show streakers because they don't want to like incentivize doing it, but like, show me the damn streaker.

No, I did you that one? Did you guys know there was a streaker? Ramos, they were like, Oh, there was two. Oh, there was two. there was two they took the field by storm like come on like give the people what they want no i i i get that also cbs has their own experience of people being people being naked during the super bowl i think it cost like 30 million dollars the janet jackson thing is that cbs who cares i agree i agree the uh show the street i mean people some people care show the street were they naked or were

they just running on the field no i think they're topless well men topless men topless men Like, who gives a shit? That's hilarious. Usher, he was a halftime. They were like half a sweaty too. I love the Uber Eats commercial with the Ross Rachel, people forgetting. Oh, yeah. You have to forget something.

But I thought the funniest part was the end of the commercial for like a second and a half. Usher was like, man, I just want to host the Super Bowl halftime show one year. Yeah. Again, though, it's like that ad had like nine jokes in 30 seconds and it just should have been five. And then you sit in them a little longer. it would have why did they have people other than Ross and Rachel and why did they pay money to Jennifer Anderson

and David Schwimmer and then like add other people. I don't know. It's like, I don't know if there's like an attention span thing or what, but I felt like even like there's not even enough time for the barcode that they put on the screen after for anybody to get out their phone

and open their camera and take a photo of it. Craig, honestly, I would like, because you do the time with Matt Bellany, which is one of the best shows here at the ringer and Matt's really smart. And I assume you guys is on the Super Bowl. Please like come back to us with an answer.

Like, that there was a weird systemic wide. I kind of, well, that's a fake answer. I'm wondering, I don't know if it's like a lot of companies like lost money and maybe didn't want to blow like $10 million in a commercial. But like, you're right that they all just did have this. We're going to throw money and cool faces. But there was no like, it was very choppy.

We're living in the age of like of YouTube commercials that have to hook you within the first five seconds or else you're going to skip them or whatever. But it's like no one's skipping it. It's the Super Bowl. Like, no one's changing the channel. I don't know. To me, it used to be, let it sink in a little.

All the best commercials were either centered around one celebrity. And like, like a good example of what old celebrity commercials used to be is like the Christopher Walken one today where it was just people doing Christopher Walken Impressions too. I like that was really funny. I still thought it was edited like a little fast, but like that is a perfect example. But now most of them are like, it's Ben Affleck and then there's Matt Damon and then there's J-Lo and then Ice Spice shows up and then there's Tom Brady. And it's like, we have 25 seconds pretty much to get all that in there.

and then we got to show the logo Dunkin' Donuts at the end. And it's way too chaotic. Like, you can't even, like, understand what's going on half the time. Maybe I sound like I'm 100. No, I know what you mean. Also, there's also a trend that started. I think Walter, not Walter, Ryan Cranston and Aaron Paul, I think created this of, we're just going to, like, separately be paid to reprise the roles from our TV show

and joke about it because now it's everywhere. It's like the suits commercial with Judge Judy was Judge Beauty. It was Judge Judy with the suits lawyers. Like it was suits. And then you all said friends and you have like all these characters like, hey, we're doing the old TV show. You're like, hey, get it?

But it's like now there's like seven of them a year. And also it's like most of the actual jokes aren't that funny. The point is just like, hey, look, there are celebrities on the screen. Having said that, I think the Paramount Plus, I take back what I said, but Michael's, that's the best commercial for brand recall. I think the full. You watch it up and you, if you go on...

Yeah, but that wasn't even a Super Bowl commercial. I know, but if you just go on YouTube, but just watch it. The Paramount Plus commercial, throwing Hey Arnold is like the funniest and best scripted written commercial I've ever seen. Like, it's other than maybe Terry Tate. It's easy.

We'll throw the child. It's like, and then they do the creed and then the full video has creed. And it's like the rewrite. Yeah, it's actually. It's like... The Jesus commercial hit hard. What was, all right, I'm...

I feel like, this is like a perfect example of, like, Twitter not being real life because I feel like everybody that I follow on Twitter, Twitter was just, like, fucking making fun of it so bad. I'm like, it probably, like, hit home for a lot of people, you know? Oh, did it move you? No, I didn't move me, but I'm saying, like, I don't live in the real world. I live on Twitter. You guys are Christians, so you're, like, used to hearing all this stuff, but I'm Jewish.

See, I'm getting all this for the first time. So I watch the commercial, like, Oh, man, they got a point. Jesus washed feet? What? Dude, I was like, dude, that's, I get it. Jesus was a feet guy. It's funny because, like, the newest trend on, like, TikTok and Instagram is to blur out all

everybody's feet because you don't want to get that away for free. Like, watching these videos, it's just like a girl, but her feet are blurred out. God. What an awesome time. This is the world we live in, though. Wait, D.K., speaking of, talking about the Joe Biden tweet. by the way, after the game, Joe Biden's official Twitter crowd, which has like 38 million followers.

The president of the United States, allegedly. Just a picture of Joe Biden with the laser eyes, you know, like the old like Bitcoin laser eyes. Wait, Joe Biden tweeted a picture of Joe Biden with laser eyes. Yeah, right after the Super Bowl ended, just like we drew it up. I don't know what we're talking about. Hillary Clinton was like, congrats to Taylor's boyfriend.

I'm like, where are we? Biden tweet. Oh, this is fucking... Well, Joe Biden certainly didn't tweet it, but somebody who has access to his Twitter account tweeted it. Do you think Joe watched the game live in real time? Probably not. Or do you think he's waking up tomorrow and they're kind of showing him the 15-minute highlights?

I like how you're... They're showing him the highlights. Because he clearly doesn't know how to look it up himself. I actually feel confident that he wouldn't, but... I, this tweet is insane. This world that we're living in, you guys. None of it has sunk in yet. Wait, I can't get over.

Like, the red eyes. It's, that meme. Do they, I don't know. You know what, is it supposed to mean? Like, he's, he's taking credit for the script or whatever. Yeah, I was like, is he taking credit for controlling the Super Bowl? Yeah. With the, it's like, like, it's like the government.

He's trying to win, he's trying to win some, win some votes in, like. Missouri and Kansas. You know, it's important time. What do you guys think happens now with Taylor and Travis? Like kind of all-time come down, honeymoon phase over. Like next weekend, is it like so? So who's cooking dinner? Are you cooking?

Am I cooking? Is it my night or your night? What do we have it? I think they actually like each other. Should we go see poor things in theaters? Well, oh, I meant to tell you that. How did we not talk about this? He dropped I love you after the championship games.

and I only saw it. I told you that. Dude, they've been saying that. They've been saying that. I didn't really process this. We joke about it a lot. Did she say it back? Or did he say it?

Yeah. No, she said, I love you. So do you, I mean, what, honestly, dude, I don't know. They're both like, what are they? They're both 34. Like, the drop, but I love you. I kind of think they're engaged by the end of the year. Yeah.

We joke about it a lot, but I genuinely think they like each other. Also, like, they actually, I'm not kidding, would be American. Roe family. Like, they literally, a Taylor Swift baby is the biggest, dude, literally, like, this is the, the economic boom. This is like the next golden age pox, Americana. This is our way out into the 21st century is a baby boom industrial revolution based

on the Taylor's for child. I just find offseason Travis and Taylor to be a funny concept. It's just like April. Well, when we were trying to figure if there's a real relationship, literally the question we were talking about was if it was March, would they be dating? And now it's, well, he did it. though. He held up his end of the bargain. You want to go for a walk?

No, I kind of... You want to come on the pod? Me and Jason have another pod this way. You want to come on? Well, that... Do you think he ever goes on the show? What do you think there are shows? They're off-season shows?

Yeah. Which shows are they watching right now? Just keep... Just her piqui bling. Yeah, yeah. Well, she's supposed to direct a movie for Fox. Searchlight, I believe. So I wonder if he'll be in it.

Possibly. Yeah. I don't know. Fascinating stuff. I think he won life. all right before we get out of here I just want to come back to Mahomes is, you know what's weird

I think we actually I thought there's gonna be a debate we all figured it out Mahom Brady's like the goat but Mahomes is better right yeah like we're all he's the boat he's like this is this is a great

that's a great way of putting it yeah DK and I just talked about this Brady has the undeniable resume but I mean like and obviously not just the resume like on the field play too but at 28 years old my homes is better than

Tom Brady was it 28 years old so ipso facto yeah I don't know you know you know who actually had it most down bad today

other than Drake Green oh sorry down bad means horny other than Drake Green law Shannon imagine Joe Montana not only did your Niners lose but also Holmes is better than you you're like the third best quarterback ever

do you think he cares about that yes there's a 10,000 word write Thompson article about how Joe Montana really cares about that. Oh, okay. It's about Brady surpassing him. Yeah. And how he's like, because you know what I didn't know about Montana?

Hmm. Is that he got benched for Steve Young like in a championship game. And that he, I didn't realize how at the peak of Montana, it's kind of like if Garoppel had replaced Brady in the run up to like 28 to 3. And like, then Brady just never played for the Patriots again.

I didn't realize that Montana still was kind of at the end of his peak. You don't think, Do you think he feels any allegiance to the Chiefs? And I was going to say, Chief's great Joe Montana. Yeah. You actually think he wanted the Chiefs?

He's like, yeah. There's two teams. He's kind of a win-in-way. It's like Richard Sherman. Oh, wait, DK, what do you feel with Richard Sherman? He's like, freaking disowned the Seahawks. He like hates the Seahawks fans at this point. I don't know if you've seen this,

but like he, he like thinks the Seahawk fans are just absolutely like in-grates and like total assholes, which is probably true. I actually Skippy's sister texted me today saying who has a worst fan base The Seahawks or the 49ers I was like both they're just both sociopathic Like what are you talking about?

They're both terrible Who is a good fan base? Nobody Detroit? Well I think people are bad Do you guys think the Chiefs dynasty I would consider it now a dynasty right? Although I guess the Warriors wasn't

No it's 100% of dynasty I still have a bone to pick with Bill about the Warriors thing I'll never get over it Also, Bill made the comment after the Celtics lost in the finals. Six finals appearances in eight years, not a dynasty. It's a dynasty. It's okay. Anyway, do you guys think that, because I would say the Pats were hated by most of the country.

Do you guys think the chiefs are hated? Yes. Yes. I think that it's happened this year. Mahomes talked about it today. Actually, there was an interview on ESPN that's good interview. Is that just a Taylor Swift thing? Why was everyone picking this chiefs then?

I feel like because people like the chiefs. Okay, but everyone picked Brady. but like Brady kind of was annoying as shit. Yeah. So why do you think people hate them now? Because they're inevitable. Like Mahomes himself said I've never felt like the villain until this season. Like he said halfway through the season, I realized it.

But it's the combo of the Taylor Swift. I mean, Pete, she's, I don't realize. She's like the most popular person of the world. But it's more like the omnip presence of another everywhere. They're in your face. Like the chiefs have become intertwined in culture with their, it's been five years of the shit. Like this is a pre-examines. pandemic thing.

Like, Mahomes is pretty, you know what I mean? Like, this is very interesting. I'd love to get people's input on this. You know what you think. Because I, my impression is people don't hate the chiefs, but I could be completely wrong on that. I don't know. I feel like that's, I feel like people love Mahomes.

Like, there's nothing to dislike about Mahomes. It's no, he, and you're right about. He's, I mean, like, people got mad at him because Mahomes was like bitching and moaning about that one play against the bills, remember? And like, people like, whoa, this is like totally out of character of her. This is really weird. But that was like, the, one time I remember people being like, okay, Mahomes, like, chill.

I feel like everybody else thinks Mahomes is awesome. And people hated Brady during the... I'm not saying they're hated quite yet. I'm saying that there's an inflection point, like when you're cooking bacon, where there's kind of a point where it's like crispy. And then it's like, oh, it's burned when you fucked it up. Like, you have to start over. And I think that it's about, like, the hatred is going to reach a point where

this offseason of Kelsey Swift, three Super Bowls, everyone's being like, they're a dynasty. But the time we get to September, everyone's going to, going to be like, I am sick of these guys. I don't know. It's just so crazy because I feel like a lot of the greats start getting their rings a little bit later in their career, right? It's like once they mature, they kind of figure it out.

It's like, I know Brady, his whole career he was winning, but like, I don't know. Most of the time, it's like Michael Jordan didn't win his first ring until he was 30 or 31. It's crazy that Mahomes has already done all of this and he's only 28. Like this dynasty has, has, there's. no indication that this is slowing down at all. Like there's nothing, it's like they have no receivers, they have a good defense, and they're really young, and they just won another Super Bowl. It's like, I don't know, what type of team would they have to have where they wouldn't

be a Super Bowl favorite? That's why the hope is dead. To your point, like, did John Elway walk the trophy up? Yeah. John Elway did win a Super Bowl until he was 36. Right. Like, Peyton Manning won his second one the year he retired? Like, he won his first when he's 30.

And to your point, it's just wild. The only people with more playoff wins than Mahomes are Joe Montana and Tom Brady. And the only people the more super wins are Montana, Brady, and Terry Bradshaw. And to your point, he's 20. He turns 29 in September. He has his entire 29th year left. He's never not made an AFC championship game. So it's like he could stop playing.

If he never played football ever again, if he just retired and became a monk somewhere, He literally is the third best quarterback ever, period right now. As you were talking, I saw this tweet pulled up, John Daigler, buddy. The entire football, this is quote from John, the entire football season, five months, 22 weeks, 285 games, literally boils down to preventing Patrick Bahams from having the ball last. Yeah. It's like, God. That's why the Niners is so hard-briking.

Selling you for that field goal, it was like, it was the game, like third and four or whatever, with Purdy. I was just like, yeah, I'm going to kick a field goal. I just hope Mahomes doesn't score. It's a bad fucking plan. Warren Sharp tweeted this. Mahomes has started 96 games, and the Chiefs have only lost three of those by more than one score. Three out of 96. They're just in every single game. If you include the playoffs, it's four out of 114 games. They've lost by more than one score.

I mean, also, the other one, that's absurd. The other one that's insane that we, I don't think we talked about enough is that Mahomes is also, you want to just talk about Mahomes. That's the next, however, till we end the show. Just real cool Mooms stats. Mom's is 15 and 3 in the playoffs. Like, the Ravens had the one seat of the AFC this year. They went 13 and 4.

Like, the regular season, the best team in the regular season. Mahomes' record of the playoffs, the pinnacle of the sport, is better than anyone's record in the regular season. He's 15 and 3. That's crazy. And his two losses are to Brady. And one of them's in overtime. Mahomes has now trailed by double digits.

in all four of his Super Bowls, one three. That's, yeah, that's also. Yeah, also the other one that he is 50 and three in the playoffs, but he's lost in a regulation in the playoffs one time. It just feels like he's already done all the hard shit. Like, DK, you being like he's been down double digits in every Super Bowl and won. I'm like, what else? Like, it feels like the next three are going to be easy compared to the three he just did.

Imagine if they just had a blowout wind. Yeah. And a good receiver. You know what else is insane? Just an average receiver. I kind of think that the Super Bowl he lost was also one of the greatest games he's ever played because when the four linemen were hurt and he was running around and he made the greatest like defy gravity in that game.

Yeah, like the Superman throwout. Like he actually is like he's the best quarterback I've ever seen. I'm sorry. Anyway, all right, yeah. Can you imagine if you had like Tyree Kill or someone? I know. Like if they traded for, if they signed to Adam Thielen this offseason, Thielen is like immediately their second best wide receiver.

All right. Just sign anybody. So again, we are, we're not going anywhere. The ringer NFL draft show coming at you twice. We'll be at the combat in a couple weeks. And we're doing that through the draft. So it's going to be with us. We have a little surprise coming for you next week at the fantasy show.

And then, yeah, ringer and NFL draft show. And then, I mean, we're sticking. So please stick with us. If you've been with us all year, thank you. So we really appreciate it. It's like, it is so much fun. And honestly, these Sunday night episodes are the most punch drunk. Oh, yeah.

It's a bummer. I'm sad that it's over. I'm excited. for next season to get going again. The best part is the good thing about this show is that, like, right when you get back into it in July is like already the best part of the season because you're like fantasy rankings are coming out. Like, I'm very excited to get started again.

The second, the Super Bowl ends, like my brain is already starting to think about like, who am I drafting next year? So very excited for next year. Here here. Here. All lions. The all lions lineup. That's what I'll be pitching next year.

Dude, honestly. Just take the lines. And all the old guys, I'm back. I'm in on Cooper Cup. I'm in on Travis Kelsey. I'm in all the old guys. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Carlos, for producing this episode all season with us on Sundays. Sorry, the dolphins are just a footnote in the history of Patrick Holmes. Thank you ever for listening. We really appreciate you. Thank you so much. And of course. A necessary drive-by for Carlos there. Jesus.

Tua couldn't even freaking any commercials. Tua couldn't throw the ball up to the mountain. You even under through Tyree Kill and the commercials in Paramount Blast. That's intrinsic. You couldn't even throw, hey Arnold to the top of the cliff. Literally, dude, literally, it was like, you freaking, like, who is this character in Star Trek? Was Patrick Stewart turns who was like, ah, not made for the moment, are you, Tua? Like, in the commercial.

Anyway, thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Usher. Yeah. He was sweaty. He didn't play DJ Goddess Fallen in Love again, did he? Did he? That bummed him.

I don't think he did. I don't know. They had like a couple songs that lasted like 12 seconds, I feel like. Maybe it didn't, but I can't remember. I was too wrapped up in the roller skates. Like, I kind of couldn't even hear anything at that. I was just so locked in on that. We got to get hyphets on roller skates.

Have you ever been on roller blades, hyphets? What's easier? Roller blades? No, blades are easier, I feel like. You know what? I'm coming back to this. I can't think I got called out for this. You're telling me that I'm supposed to know that a blade.

Blade is four wheels in a row. 100%. But a skate, here's the thing. What's a skate? It's a fucking blade. They're the same word. Like ice skates.

Like hockey, a skate is a fucking blade of skate. You're getting into like the etymology of the language again. I'm getting to what the words mean. You should know because roller skates are a common thing that everyone knows what they are. No, I'm split on this one. I'm split on this one.

Because, because D.K., when you say ice skating, you think of a blade. of ice. But when you say roller skating, it's not a blade of wheels. It's a, it's a square of wheels. How am I supposed to do that? But people who live in the world that we live in have seen roller skates before. Yeah, there's shoes. It's Shawshank. How often do I look at a man's roller shoes? Like, there's shoes with wheels on them. I don't freaking know. What's the Dirk Diggler movie again? Roller Girl? Boogie Knights. Boogie Nights. You never saw that? Wasn't looking at the skates,

big dog. Ah, that's actually a good point. Hey-oh. You choose on skates? You just do you. Roll me up. Look, I'm actually, I'm mostly just kidding. High Fitz, but it is, it is like, you're getting into, like, the word skates. Like, this doesn't matter. It's like, roller skates are a common thing that people know what they are.

You acting like, Jesus, looking at the feet, man. I don't fucking know. That's a generational thing, you young weirdos. You guys never been to a roller rink? No. I have. I have. Definitely not.

That was like a- I would have find one. That was like a classic They don't exist anymore. Like a 10 year old birthday party thing. You go to the roller room. 100%. Right.

I did that. Do a couple laps listening to Jason DeRuo. It's like ice skate rinks. Yeah. Well, we live in the West Coast, so. Oh, yeah. Right. Okay.

Although I did just ice skate in San Diego. It was really fun. They do an ice rink outside of the Hotel del Coronado, and it's really fun and pretty during Christmas time. They do it outside? It's on the beach, basically, an ice rink. It's awesome. How is it not melting?

This is like the same thing. How is a cloud weigh 500 million pounds? Well, it's in the, it's December. So it's like, it's not that warm. What, is it like 60 degrees then or what? 50s, 60s? I'm just kidding. You know, cool.

I mean, I understand it, is. But yeah. I mean, I actually don't either. It seems like it would be melting. You don't understand how anything, you don't understand how ice doesn't melt on the West Coast? How to keep ice cold. Is, I. Have you heard.

of a refrigerator, a freezer. We have those out here. They just build it inside. Yeah, but you need to be in a building. Because it's nice to be outside. It's fun. I know, but I... How long is this ice rink around?

How do they re-freeze it? What are you talking about? The concept I know about. I just always thought it was cold. You had to be cold. Now I'm actually like, how do they get this ice rink there? Yeah, I don't know. What are the logistics in getting a thing of ice?

Into San Diego. How do fringes work? What's up with Friott? Is this a chemical thing? It would even into San Diego. Like, there are like hockey teams in San Diego. You said it's outdoors. I know.

I can understand if it's indoors. Okay. I'm just trying to picture, I'm an idiot, first of all. So obviously I don't understand this. But like, how do they get a giant ring of ice in 60 degree weather?

How do they create the ice? Do they fly in a giant ice rink? That's the dumbest thing you've ever said on the show. They pour water down and they freeze it. Yeah, well, how do they freeze it? What's the mechanism in which the water freezes? I don't know. Below the ice rink is probably like a very powerful cooling system.

There we go. Isn't that every ice rink? I don't know. I've never thought about it. You think it's just below freezing in every hockey arena? No. Now I do not think that. I mean, I used to think that until about 12 seconds ago.

No, I just never thought What did you think? No, I've never pondered Why, how they freeze an ice rink I've never thought about it. Did you think they flew in the ice? No, I was fucking kidding about that, you idiot. I'm just curious, I don't know the mechanism

for how they create an ice rick is my point. I'm sure it's probably, yeah, like Craig, you're probably right. It's like cooling rods or whatever. Like, I don't know. So they just pour a giant water, like a thing of water and then they freeze it? I don't know.

So many people are screaming at the show. right now. And they Zamboni, it makes it all smooth? I've admitted about six times already that this is the stupidest conversation ever, but I've just never figured out. I had never thought about why,

how they make ice rink. Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com if you know about outdoor ice rinks. Zamboni, if we have a Zimbony, and nothing would make me happier than someone who drives a Zamboni listening to the show,

emailing us. Or it'd be even better if he was listening while driving the Zamboni. Oh my God. If someone listens to the show He drove his Zamboni off the ice when he was.

because he's so mad at me for not knowing how they make ice rings. Look, I understand that ice, that water freezes at a certain temperature. My specific question is like, what is the actual mechanism? Can you describe to me, like, for instance, how your fridge, how your freezer makes ice? So, is it like, Pff. Okay, I'm not even going to say it because I don't want to sound like a total moron, but I can't actually picture the mechanism for which my freezer makes an ice cube.

When you say mechanism, do you say mechanism? do you mean, so like a freezer, I'm assuming, you know, it divvies up water into little cube-like shapes and then freezes them and then drops them into a bucket and then you grab them. But that's not what you're asking. You're asking, how does the freezer get? It's just like, it's the cooling in the, in the, in the rods or whatever, like the wiring. You're saying, how does the freezer get cold?

How do you make anything cold? Kind of. I'm with D.K. I don't think there's a single thing in my life that I depend on more and have no understanding of than my fridge. I mean, I understand, like I understand vaguely that. that there's like coolant and rods.

What's that? Freezers, but I actually don't think I've ever thought about like how. And how do you make the road cold? How does it get so fucking cold? Your fridge is literally running all the time. I have no idea how it works.

Because heat is much easier to understand because heat is friction and its particles bouncing off one another, right? Its energy creates heat. I don't know how you create cold. Dude, this is the only,

I was watching. This is like, so what's going on in Iraq? You're like, I know, I know. Saddam has the oil. D.K., do you think if I gave you all of the necessary pieces of a freezer? But no instructions. And you had the rest of your life. You could quit your job, and I would pay you $500,000 a year.

You just had to sit there and put a freezer together every whole life. You think you could do it? Well, yeah, probably. No instructions, though. You're not allowed to look at instructions. You just, they give you every piece. It reminds me of like the Nate Park Gatsy. joke where he's like, yeah, if I went back in time, I don't think I'd make a difference.

He was like, I wouldn't be able to prove that I'm from the future. He'd be like, who's the next president? He's like, ah, I don't know. It's like, he's like, oh, you're talking on like a phone. Did you know that they have the handheld versions later and you can like carry it around with you? And they're like, oh, yeah, how's that where he's like, uh, I don't know. Satellites?

Something about satellites. What's a satellite? He's like, uh. I don't know. It just dawned on me talking about this fucking ice rink thing. I actually don't know the actual mechanism for like how my freezer works. I understand that it makes things cold. I think this is a good call.

Explain to me how that happens. It reminds me about microwaves. I don't know how they work either, but I get, I know that I don't because every time I turn the microwave, I'm kind of like, what's up with this thing? But I never think about that with my fridge, but I have this equal number of questions. Anyway, it has something to do with Frion. What is Friand? I have no fucking idea.

Where do we get Friand? I think he sounds like a superhero. Sounds like Frosome. It's serious. Friand's just the thing that we all have. Like that's the other question. Oh, here's the other question, D.K. Here's the other thing.

You're on to something. You know what's weird? So I actually just got my fridge replaced this week because the old one broke. Because the Frion stopped working. He ran out of it. Well, yeah. Oh, shit. He explained me what broke.

I didn't get it. And I stopped paying attention. He was like, you plug it in. And then it makes things cold. But you know what's weird that I think about it? There's nothing to refill with a fridge. It just works forever.

And then it stops working. Until it doesn't. Yeah. I googled it. Do you want to know? Yes, I do desperately. Yeah, fine. I don't want mean people emailing us just telling me like, let's just hear it.

It's kind of hilarious because it's a little bit like a catch-22. Like one of the terms in here is refrigerant. And I'm like, what? What are we doing here? Here's the definition. I'm like, did they create the fridge first? So when you click the fridge is like, click on the link that takes you to what refrigerant is.

Wait, so you take the ice cubes. You take the ice cubes. You apply it. You apply refrigerant to the water. Literally, you take the ice cubes to the, to the ice rack. And the fridge is like, no, no, no. My refrigerant does that. Okay, here's the definition.

Most freezers work by using a process of heat transferal, to remove heat from the items inside. This is typically done using refrigerant, a chemical that absorbs and gives off heat. The refrigerant cycles... So it's a chemical. The refrigerant cycles through the appliance parts to keep your food freezing cold for long-term storage.

We already figured all that out. The first half of that was it makes it colder. The second half was a chemical. We didn't learn anything from that. Yeah, I don't really feel like I could build a freezer yet. Keep going down this goddamn article. Refigerent is a working fluid using the refrigeration cycle of air conditioning. Jesus Christ.

What is it? What is the refrigerator? Wait. What is in refrigerant? I can't believe this is a real word. It's like when they create new elements on the periodic table and it's like Berkeley California. Do they just put the refrigerant in like copper white tubing in the back of the

How's that work? No, we're on. Again, I'm just like, I want to know the mechanism. I generally get. We're on to something. No, I don't. I get it. I don't get it at all.

You know what? I still don't know. It just says it's a working fluid. I can't find what's in this thing. Working fluid. Jobs? It's over breeding over many, like, generations. This dog knows how to, this fluid knows how to freeze something.

Remove the heat? I feel like I, I feel like I would not have put it that way, thinking about a freezer or refrigerator is it's a process of removing the heat. Like, I feel like it's more you're adding cold air. You know what I mean? Like, I know that sounds really stupid, but like I'm like, we're not removing the heat. We're like putting in cold air. I have found out the ingredients in refrigerant.

It is hydrogen, fluorine, and carbon. If that means fucking anything to you. I've heard of it. Carbon's the most common thing in the world in the universe. So, okay. I feel like it didn't help a lot. I'm not smarter. Okay, so did we figure out how they make ice rinks?

Is it the same process of removing? Well, they remove the heat. They apply refrigerant. Which removes the heat. How? With wires? With the... Do they pour the refrigerant into the water?

The refrigerants in a fridge. Wait, Google, what keeps How do I not know this? Can you Google? How do you make an ice rink? What keeps a refrigerator cold? The evaporator is located inside a refrigerator is the part that makes the items in the refrigerator cold.

Like we get to, yes, like we skip a part. Like we get to the part where it's cold. Through evaporation, it calls, so the liquid into a gas through evaporation, it cools the area around it,

producing the proper environment, I mean, DK, we're back. I go. Googled how to keep an ice ring frozen. The most common method of refrigeration used in keeping an ice ring frozen is an indirect refrigeration system.

This is where a liquid refrigerant, often ammonia, absorbs heat from a secondary liquid, often brine, which has absorbed heat from the source. Oh, wow. I never, this has never occurred to me that ice rinks are salty. So you get it now, right? Pretty simple.

The ammonia absorbs the heat from the brine. It makes me feel better that this is like completely, fucking made up. Like there's, you didn't know that, right? No, I didn't.

Okay, well, that makes me feel better. Like, maybe I'm not a total fucking idiot. Well, that's so lack. I bet he does.

Did you know that that ice rinks were salt water? I don't know why that makes it sound weird to me. Is that the Brian? Is that what Brian is? Brian is salty water. But I thought salt water had like a higher freezing temperature.

A lower freezing temperature. Like the ocean doesn't freeze. Yeah, I mean, it does. in some places. Oh, right. The ocean doesn't freeze.

Okay. It's too late. We simply have to go. It does like, you know, at the poles and what that. Yeah, but it's not, it doesn't,

well, not in California, so. I mean, it freezes in a lot of places, actually, when you think about it. Ocean water freezes at 28 degrees Fahrenheit.

Oh, that's what I was saying, though, it's lower. A little bit lower. It is, yes. All right, goodbye, really. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino, LLC.

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