The Ringer NFL Show - Mahomes's Pick-Six, T-Law Picks Nose, Week 6 Waivers, and Heifetz Watched 'Sopranos' Out of Order

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

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Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hype. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, and we are going over all the players. You need to add entry week six of the NFL season. We're going to through running backs, receivers, tight ends. A bunch of running back stuff happened.

O'Mair and Hampton, the Chargers, going to go an injured reserve. A lot of stuff we're going to hit. But first, Monday night football, the Jacksonville Jaguars, sorry. The 4-1 Jacksonville Jaguars defeat the 2-3, Kansas City Chiefs, 3-1-28,

with what I can only feel like describing is the first AI generated game-winning touchdown I have ever seen Trevor Lawrence falling down twice. I think I could talk for 45 minutes about Trevor Lawrence in this game between the booger, the game-winning touchdown, everything. But DeKette, what just happened? That was crazy. A classic Jaguar's performance where you don't really know how to feel about it.

There was one point, like right after he scored, I was like, I can't tell if I should be embarrassed for the Chiefs or the Jags here because that was like such a weird way to win. He fell down. He got stepped on by the center, or the guard maybe, fell down twice, got a still ran it in for a touchdown. Just a hilarious turn of events. But yeah, I mean, I can't believe the Jags are four and one.

I think their defense is legit. I'm not sure so much about their offense. But this was actually a pretty fun game. Really fun game. Trevor Lawrence, that touchdown run, man, my friend texted our group chat and just said that was peak Eli Manning and that did feel like something only

Eli Manning would ever do is fall twice and then still get up and somehow run in a touch. Dude, that whole final drive was Eli Manning as. Oh, totally. The Manningham throw. The Brian Thomas passes like Manningham right into the bucket. Including the Buckker made a huge mistake kicking the ball out of bounds

and the Jacks at the ball of the 40. Trevor Lawrence takes the first two plays. They have a minute and 45. and like three timeouts. Trevor Lawrence trades 45 seconds and a timeout and two plays to get three yards. And I'm like, this is like your career, not career defining, but I'm like, this is the biggest regular season game of your life. And that was horrific.

Then Brian Thomas, the whole, like he gets the ball to Brian Thomas, gets the ball to Army Brown. They're at the 11. Suddenly they're going to score too fast. And like that whole sequence is crazy. And then like the pick that was DPI and they're at the one. And then he fucking trips. and gets up. Chris Jones is just standing there and he runs in the end zone.

That was honestly to me, Trevor Lawrence's whole career in a nutshell. Totally. Kind of like they're at the one yard line. You assume he's going to be great. He trips, he falls down, gets up and then suddenly runs in the end zone. The Jags are four in one. This was the whole, you said it, the whole Trevor Lawrence experience in terms of the peaks and valleys, right? Like there was plays in this game where I'm like, he runs like the wind blows.

He's so fast out there looking like a gazelle. He scored two rushing touchdowns. And he made some very critical decisions to take off and run with it. And that was very helpful. But then also he just makes these boneheaded plays. Like he let the frickin' clock run out down there in the red zone. Dude, you know, it's just like, man. Took a delay a game.

And they almost, they were close to a delay a game after the delay of game. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think what was like if you really want to get into like the weeds, what I had, what they were saying was, basically they were expecting an all out blitz, which is what the chiefs were doing. they were sending at least five, I think, going back into those plays. And so what they were trying to do was like do a hard count, get them to jump because they were so, you know, amped up to try and get pressure and sack him.

And then the next play they did was like a screen. But at the same time, man, you got to be like aware of the play clock. You let the playcock run out and that critical. And then it was they backed them up like five yards. There was like a second and 15. I mean, there's so many ways in which this could have gone horrible for for Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, especially after picking your nose on the. the most zoomed-in shot ESPN's ever done on a player.

Like a horror movie. You've seen guys like kind of snatch a booger and get out. He was, they were zoomed in so far. So far. Why did they do that? That was kind of messed up. I think it's fucked up.

I think they did that on purpose. That was wild. My theory on this and I've talked to my dad about this in the past is they say, they do these shots at some random time in the game and then save them and then use the like a booger. You want to eat later. Yeah, yeah. Save it.

Craig, you were sweating this out. Oh, Ringer Fantasy League in a matchup against House. What was your emotional journey there at the end? Dude, what a game. Holy shit. Again, nobody cares about your fantasy league, but I did beat House. It was a very close game. All I'll say is it came down to the final drive.

He had Mahomes. I had nobody. I was up 1.4 points. Just sweating. Mahomes on the final drive. Basically needed 30 yards to beat me. And I'm buzzing right now. The boys are buzzing in the fantasy league.

The three of us all have a winning record in the Ringer Fantasy League. So, hats off to us. I got to say about Trevor Lawrence, he's funny man he he's like he's like best case scenario wents like he's on that scale where he's like such a blockhead sometimes you know what i mean like he he has he has a lot of icks like he once once every other week he just runs like five yards past the line of scrimmage and then still throws the ball has like zero awareness where the line of scrimmage is the the cuby sneak jump fumble huge ick the double trip there's like one throw a game that's like the dumbest throw you've

ever seen. But outside of that, he was awesome. He was super tough. Like, his ability to, like, evade tackles and fight for first downs. And the throw to Brian Thomas down the sideline, it was third and seven, a minute left in the game, down four. That was the best throw of Trevor Lawrence's career. It was. That was the most, talk about stadium pulse. It was the best throw of his career. Couldn't have been any more perfect. And you can tell Troy Aikman tonight, Troy Eichman, I don't think, loves Trevor Lawrence, but he begrudgingly came around and was complimenting him in that final drive for how good he was. It actually, Lawrence's game was a lot like

Caleb Williams' games where there are moments where like, I see why this was the number one pick in the draft and we talked about him. I mean, he was essentially the anointed one when he was like 18 years old or whatever. And there were all, blockhead is the perfect word because it like all these moments were, I mean, how about him getting

DeKembe Matumboed at the goal line by Nick Bolton with one of the best fumble. I hate that play. The only guy, Drew Breeze is like, the only guy who could do that. No, no, but hey. Because you can't see him. You're huge. You'll be sneaking.

No one knows who he's coming from. Push him or something. Like, I just, just the vulnerable football over the line is everybody's swiping at it. It's the worst play. I hate it. I mean, it's cool when you do it, but like, it was pretty. It's a huge. People didn't see it.

You got a inch line. And Trevor Lawrence went to dunk the ball over the goal line. And Nick Bolton, the chiefs linebacker, who's quietly been huge for the Super Bowl's they won. And Nick Bolton just punched the ball out. I would say, you might have to mention. measure it in millimeters how close. But he did dislodge the ball before the goal line. And I got to say hi-fits.

I thought they had a pretty good sideline, Kim, to show that. Oh, I know. It was from above. Look how helpful it is when the ball's on the goddamn goal line. Because they had more cameras. Yeah, it's amazing. Money in football does no more cameras. Yeah, look how magical it is.

So the balls on the goal line. Incredible. Who could have anticipated that would be where you want a camera. But I also, also, I'm sorry, I have to go back. We record this right after the game, but I had to take two seconds and listen to his interview after. Did you guys listen to what he said after the touch, Trevor, Trevor.

Yeah. First time I can remember someone being totally completely honest since like unvarnished honestly since Richard Sherman screaming about Michael Crabtree. Joe Buck's wife was like the Michelle Bysdner Buck was like, what were you thinking there on that last play when you scored? And I wrote it down, quote, he said, panic, sheer panic. That's almost as bad as seeing ghosts. He said, we didn't have any timeouts.

I was going to throw it out of bounds to stop the clock. And then there was really nobody around me. So I just made a play. Wow. Which, again, if he, if Chris Jones just like, I think Chris Jones thought he had been sacked. He must have thought the play was dead. But still, like, you got to keep going until you hear the whistle. Well, Chris Jones had moved and touched him while he was on the ground.

Trevor Lawrence would have panicked. Shear panic. He just got tripped. I, that was unbelievable. I also think this is why the NFL makes 18 billion. year, not because of the great teams playing because this this game was bizarre. I mean, Patrick Mahomes threw a pick six at the one-yard

line. That was an incredible play, yeah. James Harrison. James Harrison, yeah, he got James Harrison for a 14-point swing. There was Trevor Lawrence at the one-millimeter line, the Chiefs got the ball back, and then when they wouldn't score, that's kind of a 14-point swing, too. This might have been the best game ever for plays that occurred at the one-yard line.

The whole game was at the goal line. You have the Lawrence fumble on the QB sneak thing. You have the pick six that occurred at the one. You have the stupid double trip touchdown was at the one. Pretty insane game. Don't forget the interception in the end zone that became a defensive pass interference was in the end zone. And that crazy bobbled pick that the chief somehow did not intercept where I think it was

too tranquil and I think. They're trying to hit Bolton where if one of them was there, it would have been effortless, but they were both there. And they, I actually can't remember a ball going back and forth between defenders.

So I think it hit each of them twice, maybe three times. And then, and Drew Trinkel just kind of landed on the ground, staring at the goal line. Like, he couldn't believe

they didn't catch the ball. I, that was a inexplicable game. You know, I kind of think that the Chiefs played pretty well. Like, I got to give it to the Jazz.

They looked, they looked a little bit better than they had. They did. Like, I think the Jags won, this game. This was not like a typical, oh, this Chief's offense can't move the ball.

Like, Mahomes played great. I agree with that. Mahomes was really good. Outside of the pick, like, I think the Jags just came out and won this football game, which is really impressive. You're right. I mean, it's funny because it's the Chiefs, I mean, the pick six, yeah, the game, honestly, I mean, again, the Chiefs lost

by three. And again, the pick six was very much a 14-point swing for Jacksonville, and that kind of was the game. I do want to just, and there's some bigger stuff I want to talk about with you guys before we get to waivers. But I do need to mention the referees in this game were just, I am usually pretty pro ref,

which is a pretty weird stance. You're saying pro chiefs? There's a lot of questionable chiefs. There, so it was the correct call, but a bad start when Travis Kelsey kind of just scored a touchdown. Convinced the refs. To take it back.

And Mahomes, Kelsey, and I think Hollywood are just screaming at the refs. Do you know who my wife is? Yeah. I'll have you dead tonight. But you, but they were screaming.

screaming at the refs, and you could weirdly hear them. One yard, one yard, one yard. And then they just walk over and pick it up, which they were right, but it also just was a bad optics because they kind of just screamed until the rest. I think it was pretty close. Hyde, you were talking about who's the, the ref back in New York or whoever called in. It was like, eh, I don't know about that call. He was, well, the rule is you can make that kind of pick.

Like basically the whole rub route thing where the guy bats said a basketball pick moving is illegal beyond one yard. But Andy Reid's good at this stuff. within one yard it's legal. Russell Yerke, who I'm not the biggest fan, I've kind of walked in and was like, that really looked like it was 1.05 yards downfield. In my view, I'm like, it's one yard.

It's fine. But it was just fun. Craig, that's another play. That's another player that happened at the one. Yeah, that, yeah, the first play Kelsey's touchdown was at the one. The whole game's at the goal line. And so that, I think, came up later when it, it just, that's just something you kind of file away. But then the other big play in this game that really could have shifted it,

was inside the Jaguars, I think, at their own 12 or 15, I forget where. Trevor Lawrence throws what looks like at first a really horrific interception, but then they show the replay. And tackle the receiver, it tends to look bad now in the secondary. It really, the only play that reminded me of was the Nekyll Roby Coleman, the Saints, Rams, defensive pass interference. He just got rocked. The receiver got destroyed by defender.

And then the chiefs just caught the ball and the chief scored. And Trevor Lawrence, they cut to him. And he was like, he said it. You could see read his mouth. He was like, what the fuck? Yeah. And that was a crazy missed call. That one was way more egregious than the pick play at the one yard line.

For sure. The pick play at the one yard line, I think it was like, kind of a 50-50 call. Yeah, it was like pretty close. So I think you could call either way. It was a little weird that they reversed it on the field without like looking at the replay. But they literally got bullied by Travis Kelly. But the chief scored two plays later. So the chiefs were kind of gifted seven points.

That was bullshit. Yeah. And so, but that pick, yeah, the, when they tackle the, the, the, the, the, the, the, non-DPI call or whatever was really egregious and obviously a massive, massive swing in the game. And then, you know, obviously the pass interference call on Brian Thomas in the end zone at the end of the game, I think it was the correct call. Did you guys like, did you think that call was right where he was basically armed him in the back of the end zone that led to the pick, but then they reversed it? It bothers me that that's the rule, but that is absolutely how it is called all season all the time. I wish it wasn't that way where, like, basically if you're a cornerback trailing and the receiver just turns around with the right timing, there's kind of nothing you can do and I don't like that.

But that is absolutely. You can turn your head. It's appreciated all the time. It is hard to play corner. It's very hard to play that position. Don't envy those people. Yeah, no. On the bright side, there are no old ones.

So there's no way to age gracefully either. With that said, I feel like we've talked about the chiefs all the time. I'm curious, I don't know, DK. Do you think the Jags are 4 and 1? What do you think of this Jaguars team, man? My, so my big impression in this game. Craig's like, what a stupid question. No, no, that was such a classic like TV question.

I loved it. I was very impressed with the defense. They were missing Trayvon Walker, their top, well, one of their top pass rushers in this game. But I just felt like during the game, they just fly around and hit the shit out of, out of offensive players. It was very impressive watching them. They love to flow to the football. And every single time, they're punching at the ball. They lead the NFL in takeaways.

This is one of the best turnarounds for defense, I think, in the league this year. So it's very impressive watching that defensive unit play. And I think, you know, offensively, again, like the Trevor Lawrence experience, it's all over the place. It was good to see him connect with Brian Thomas late in the game because I think that was going to be a big storyline if you hadn't have done that. And Thomas babbled the hell out of that ball. I know. Yeah. It wasn't like a clean catch, but I do think the guy actually tipped it a little, Craig.

When it was coming down, yeah, he grayed, like, raised his finger. Travis Hunter had a couple of incredible plays. There was a couple plays in this game where I was like, oh, that's the guy who they took second overall. Yeah, there was that one, like, play in the flat where he just, like, straight up and made two guys miss. Like, it was the Oklahoma Drip, but it was like one verse two, and he's made him both miss. And then he moths a couple guys later in the game. The deep ball was pretty incredible. And it does, I'm like, dude, get this.

guy off to fucking defense and give him 10 targets a game. We need to be throwing to him a lot. I, I, hard not to think that watching them on offense. I'm like, wow. It's just funny because they need a quarterback, but yeah, they just put them on offense. I was impressed overall with the Jags, though.

I mean, I think they're kind of messy, and that's always probably going to be in their DNA. But, yeah, I was impressed. The defense, man, they just hit the shit out of people. Can I do the least favorite thing, but I do think is accurate, which is the most annoying yum yunker thing? If Trevor Lawrence just like didn't run that in for a touchdown and just, I don't know,

tripped with the game on the line at the one. Would we be excited about the Jags? No, but that's football. That's how it works. I know, but I'm just saying it's funny because every week pretty much. I know, but it's just like that was that that was the one in a hundred version of that play that worked

out well. Every other version is a disaster. Yeah. I mean, I've still been impressed with their defense, but their offense would have been a different story. You're 100% right, but you could do,

I mean, if Derek Henry doesn't fumble against the bills, the bills have two losses and that's, almost a third to the dolphins and everyone's like, what's wrong with the bills? Yeah, but this is like if Derek Henry fumbled, picked it up and ran it in for a touchdown. No, I know.

I'm just saying, like you can do that a lot. Trevor Lawrence played great. Yes, but also he fucked up like five different things on that drive. It's just funny because it's, I guess Trevor Lawrence flashed the things that make me so excited about Trevor Lawrence. And yet, even with that play,

I still find myself really disappointed with how many mental errors he is making. He's a blockhead. Blockhead is going to stick with me. He is a blockhead. That is funny. Dude, at halftime... Deke's right. The Jaguars are better than I thought.

But Trevor Lawrence is still somehow worse than I thought. At halftime, they interviewed Cohen. And it's funny because I think the way he... Like, his kind of natural emotions towards his team, I think, reflect how we all feel as well. They were asking him, like, what did you say to your team at halftime? And he's like, we just need to calmly operate. Just take a big, deep breath, go have fun. He said, take a deep breath twice.

And I'm like, that is kind of, I feel like how we all feel. We're like, Trevor, you're good. You're talented. Just like, take a deep breath. Fucking chill, man. We'll be good. I do think there is an element too where I'm not trying to be like a Lawrence defender or whatever. But like, I do think he has a reputation now.

And so like every little thing we. pick apart when he makes mistakes. Because if you look around the league, I mean, quarterbacks are fucking things up constantly. It's like, it's just a never-ending battle. Even Patrick Mahomes

fucks up, like, procedural stuff at times. But that being said, like, he doesn't, he doesn't, he hasn't proven it

like a lot of other quarterbacks have. So I just like to throw out that like procedural shit happens in every game constantly. That's true. That's true. It was, but the reality is the biggest,

I remember being hyperbolic? I think this was the biggest game of his regular season. This was versus the Chiefs Jaguars don't get Monday night football at home a lot. Dude, they're usually in London against the Browns. Yeah, and it's like they're going to, you can go beat the cheeses.

And I just want to say it again, he wasted two downs and 45 seconds at a timeout, and he got three yards and he didn't get a pass off. Like, that was a bad start. Then took a delay of game trying to hard count a blitz at like the 11 yard line took a delay of game. Just, and then we, I don't know why he called. I know they're blitz to your point.

There's calling a blitzes and they're trying to get a tunnel screen or a bubble screen, but I'm like, that just guarantees you have to use the last timeout. Like I thought that was kind of a strange call because you, unless you score a touchdown, they have to call a time out right there. I just, the whole thing was a little strange, but it worked, but also. It was very herky jerky. That's for sure. Yeah, Herky jerky is good.

Yeah, Trevor Lawrence is a blockhead. And then, yeah, the chiefs, yeah, they look good, which is funny because they also lost, but I also kind of believe they were, if I think if they caught either of the first two passes, Mahomes threw in that, they were going to get into. I think they'll be fine. That was a weird play with the Hollywood Brown, not turning his head, just hitting him in the shoulders. I got to tell you, though, it was worth it. It was a little overwhelming, but were you guys kind of like, kind of, I was pretty locked in

watching Mahomes throw the ball as far as he possibly could. I was like, wait, we're going to, it didn't go as far as I was hoping, but I actually kind of thought it was going to reach the end zone. Yeah. And then would he have tried to pull a Jalen Hertz and chase after it for 70 yards to catch the tip? Yeah. Do you want to explain that? Yeah, I did see that.

We missed this on the Sunday night show. So the Hail Mary at the end of the Broncos game, the Eagles Broncos game that Jalen Hertz through it. They were on like the 30, 35, so it wasn't exactly like a super deep Hail Mary. The other angle, but when you're kind of behind Hertz showed that Hertz threw this ball up super high and then chased after it, just trying to make it to the end zone in time just in case there was a tip and he could catch his own pass in the end zone, which I thought was honestly

fucking genius and awesome. He chased it really like a free throw or a three-pointer that he was trying to get the road off the back part. But he ran 50 yards. And he kind of almost got there. I almost, I would say now, like, if you have a fast third string quarterback and you have a Hail Mary and you're on like the 35, like bring him and have hit throw it and run to the end zone. If Hertz did that, that is immediately one of the best plays in the history of American sports, right? Like, if you catch your own Hail Mary and win a game.

Has that I would love, please email us. Has anyone ever done that before? Has Hertz done that before? Is that a thing? You didn't get that close, though, did he? Like, he was like on the 10 or 15. Yeah. He got close enough that if.

it had been batted up one more time. Like, he could have got it in the fray. Yeah. It would have been epic. It would have been epic if it worked that way, but yeah. If anyone's done that at any level, like caught their own hell, Mary, please email that to ringer fantasy football at jeepiddle. Okay, anything else in this, the booger, do you want to talk about the booger?

Bugger back on Monday into football. The nose picking I think we should normalize nose. I agree with that. That's fine. It's like, you know what, look, we can all be against it. Everybody excavates their nostrils and nobody was in a minute. I think, stop pretending you don't pick your nose. DK is right.

I don't know if they save the footage. That's so much more cruel if they do that. But I think that they, look, maybe they kind of just lingered on them and they were like caught wrong timing. Part of me does think they're like, this goes with the narrative of like, I kind of think they're trying to tell a story and they kind of threw them under the bus. That's so brutal if they held under that. The director or whatever, the broadcast director, you see that. you see that hand coming up towards the nose area, you cut away quickly.

You got to be faster than that. They lingered on it really long. They lingered on it for far, far too long. They don't do that if it's Travis Kelsey or Mahomes. That is exactly how I feel, Chris DeN a piece of his mind. Kelsey would never, he would have just screamed at them

until they picked the flag up. Liam Cohen should run up to the program director and be like, you keep Trevor Lawrence's face out of your mouth. You keep Trevor Lawrence's finger out. out of his nose. Yeah. Do you, do you guys think that

Travis Kelsey had an awkward night tonight where like, you know, it's like, you know, when you have a great day and your partner has a terrible day or vice versa?

Do you think it's like, he's like, hey, how was your day? And she's like, I just set the record for most streams ever on Spotify.

And he's like, I, we had a shitty loss. He was like, Trevor Lawrence tripped, but he did. He did scored a touchdown. So,

yeah, he's probably fine. All right. All right. All right, shall we, let's get to waivers entering week six. All right, we're going to go through waivers entering week six.

We're going to go through position by position. We're each going to give our top pick at that position for the following week. And if we have the same guys, we're going to do a little trivia tiebreaker to decide who gets it. It's not that complicated. I promise you will figure it out as we go along. And we're going to try to just simulate waivers like you do in your league. So hopefully we can help people in 10 team leagues all the way through 14 team leagues as we go down and down into like deeper, deeper players. We'll try to help everybody here.

All right. we're going to get to running back, entering week six, and we have to start with big news. So the Chargers, Amerian Hampton, who left the Sunday game in a walking boot, Adam Schaefter, we're recording this Monday afternoon. Shefter is reporting that the Chargers

are going to put a Marion Hampton on injured reserve. So he's going to be out at least four games, potentially more, for an ankle injury. So you combine that, Naji Harris already tore his Achilles. So Hampton's out at least a month, potentially longer. Dude, the Chargers, my God. And they're down somewhere between.

between two, three, four offensive linemen at any given time, depending on Meg, Kai Bechtin's doing. Poor Herbert. Can Madison Beer play running back and tackle? Dude, maybe. So, yeah, this is huge. Obviously, Marion Hampton is the first round pick for the charges this year. He's starting to play better. This is interesting. So I think now there's, for waivers purposes, obviously if you have Hamptons,

like you have to go get the backups down on the chargers are Hassan Haskins, who played for Hubbard, Michigan, and then Kamaney Vidal is more of a past catching guy. And then you also have a couple other running backs flutter ground, Michael Carter, who replaced Trey Benson, who replaced James Connor. And James Connor's after the season. Trey Benson's also like Hampton on IR, but could come back this season. Then you have Rico Dowdell, who Chuba Hubbard's not even on IR, but Dowdle ran for 206 yards.

Oh, sorry, do we have the clip for, it's not Rico Dowdell. That's pretty good. Dowdow! Look at this. Dowdell! Still on his feet! I understand how he physically does that. Still on his feet.

Dowdell! Still on his feet! obviously Michael Carter and Rico Doudal are more likely to be available in your league or sorry, more likely to be rostered. Hassan Haskins is probably available almost everywhere. So not many people might have his choice, but maybe you have to cut one of these, DK.

If Carter and Doudal are rostered, obviously Hassan Haskins is the number one guy this week. I'm curious if they're in options, or maybe you have Michael Carter or you have Rico Dattel, would you cut one of them for Husson Haskins? Like, how would you rank those guys? No, I don't think so. I'm this is tough because I think for me it's pretty close I doubt it was a clear cut above the other two guys but for me it's pretty close with Carter and Haskins.

The problem with Haskins is we haven't really ever seen him do anything. He's playing on a team that is one of the highest pass rate teams in the NFL behind an offensive line that is absolutely decimated. And there's probably also going to be a bit of a committee here with Vidal or Vidal. So I think even though, yeah, even though I think Haskins is probably going to be kind of quote-unquote lead guy, I think I might lean Michael Carter a little bit. Michael Carter for the Cardinals last week had 18 carries and five targets. He was basically far away their lead back. And then Amari DiMarcato, who was one of the other two guys that they were using. He had a huge mistake, obviously, dropping the ball before he crossed the goal line.

So I think I lean Michael Carter just slightly, but it is very close. Where do you guys land on this? When Hampton went down, Haskins played eight of the nine snaps immediately after the injury, and then Vidal came in and closed out the drive, and then after that it was garbage time with Trey Lance. I don't know.

It's like... This is tough. I think the Cardinals... Trey Bins is on IR. Like, in theory, he's going to come back. The Cardinals have two more games before their buy week. So in theory,

there's like a world in which you only get two more games of Michael Carter. Right. But I guess you're only going to get, you know, maybe four or five of us on Haskins. I don't know. Chargers do have the dolphins this week. They do have the dolphins this week.

Which is huge. But I will say the dolphins, they still have more talent. I kind of, yeah, I think I might lean with D.K. here. I actually see what D.K. saying with like the horrible offensive line with L.A., they're just going to throw the ball a ton. Haskins is super unproven. It's not just that. So the Chargers' upcoming schedule is dolphins, then Colts, Vikings, Titans.

Those are solid run defenses. Like, it's not nothing. Obviously, the Titans, they just give up that big long run. to Amardo de Marcos. But the Cardinals just go Colts Packers by. I know. And so it's tough. And so overall, though, maybe it's a false choice where it's like, honestly, most of the time,

Haskins is available, which case. I think you have to add Haskins. And we even said that. Let's do Haskins. Let's do Haskins here. If Haskins is taken, I would then take Khamani Vidal as well because I wouldn't be shocked if Haskins is the quote unquote starter. And then Kamani Vidal ends up being more valuable in fantasy for two reasons.

One, as the Chargers's offensive line gets worse, Herbert's depth of Tarver's target will probably drop and there will probably be more quick passes. And so I, Vidal is the pass catching back. I think Kamani Vidal is a rare build because on one hand, I think the chargers took him because the Rams sniked them on Blake Corum. And I think Kamani Vidal in the draft last, yeah, last year he went his sixth round. And he was kind of like Blake Corum cosplay for Jim Harbaugh where he probably wanted Blake quorum. And then so, you know, Kamani Vidal came out of Troy and he's the rare guy's 5'8, 215, he's built, who's a pass catching back. But he has the size for him between the tackles work. He kind of completely.

fell off the radar because he didn't make the team necessarily, but it was competitive, because they signed Najee, then they drafted a Marinhampton. They didn't even necessarily want a Marion Hampton. They tried to trade out of that pick. The Eagles called it into the wrong, the NFL office during the draft wrong. So they took him hereinhampton. But the charges were going to go to the season with Najee Harris, Son Askins, Kmani Vidal, kind of drafted Hampton by accident. Now he's hurt. Naji's gone. Vidal is an unorthodoxly competent pass catcher on a team that might have to throw to running backs now. more than they want. So Haskins is the easy one, but it's not like Vidal doesn't have the size for goal line work, is what I'm trying to say. It might actually be like, Haskins and Carter are your top two ads if they're available, and then Vidal, Vidal is still there at number three.

It's like the third guy you add. Because you just don't know how it's going to break down. And again, the answer here could be, you actually don't actually want to end up playing any of these guys. But, you know what I mean? It could be like, oh, all them are going to suck. However, it is still the Chargers. And like, I don't know.

It's even with the O-line, I don't know. I think you have to take a shot again. Running back is so not liquid this year. This whole conversation I have it another time. I think next year, I kind of think fantasy benches should be smaller. I think that more liquidity on waivers is good. It's less stressful to play fantasy when you can actually get people of playing time. I think running back some playing times hard this year.

Kermanei Vidal will play. Hassan Askins is not capable in my mind of playing 80% of snaps, 70% of snaps. I think Vidal is going to be on the field a lot. Anyone on the field for the charges you want. So I think Haskins, then Vidal, by a lot. And then what we're saying, if Rico Dattle's available,

take Rico Dattle because they ran for 200 yards. If Michael Carter's there, you probably want Michael Carter. The Cardinals, it's tough because we'll see what Jonathan Gannon the head coach of the Cardinals benches in Mara de Mercado

where it gives him a second shot. I could see Demercado being inactive. You got to put out on a spike sometimes. Getting some carries and snaps too. Bam, that's the other. The fifth guy, Bam Knight for the Cardinals could be the new Demercato because he kind of ran pretty well.

And so if Demarcato is benched as a showing, Bam, nice. So I think those are the big names. It's like Dowdell, we're saying it's number one. Do we agree on that? He ran for 200 yards at some point. Do it. But the flip size, Chuba Hubbard can come back.

It's kind of all fluid. I don't know. Is Dauttle the number one? I mean, Chuba Hubbard's day to day. At the end of the day, if you want, and that's the flip side, if you want someone who's going to play, like Hassan Haskins will play for this team.

But I like Vidal a lot. I like his game. I think he's going to have a pass-catching role. I think he will be usable. And so Haskins and Vidal will be usable, although potentially flaccid. All right, I feel like we've mapped out everything for 10 minutes here. Who are you taking?

Haskins. Because Hampton could be a lot longer than a month. I'm taking Haskins because the Chargers play the dolphins. And the Cardinals play the Colts. So I think the matchup is a little bit better. Yes. I think also the fact that the Cardinals go Colts, Packers buy, I'm going to take Haskins as well.

All right. Showdown time? Let's do it. All righty. It is the That sucks on Mary Hampton's hurt It is the Hassan Haskins

Showdown time All right This email's from Dave Dave D-Bone Good show Craig's mentions of farming and wine

sent up my back my bat signal I own and operate a small vineyard Bells up Winery Shut up Bells up Winery He owns and operates Small Vineyard and Winery in the Willamette Valley

in Oregon Willamette. There we go. Willam it. He actually wrote out the thing for me to pronounce it. He said Williamette. Willamette.

Yeah. Anyway, it's in Oregon. We are currently in the middle of harvest. I appreciate your pod. Keep you going. We have seven planted acres of wine grapes. Grow several different varieties of grapes, mostly Pinot Noir.

And he goes to hang out of this place. I have been to the Willamette valleys. Oh, really? There you go. So he says we have seven planted acres of wine grapes. We grow different varieties. But when vines are initially planted, it takes about five years to get a harvestable crop.

and a full crop load of Pino-Noir vines generally about two and a half tons of grapes per planted acre. His question was how many cases of finished wine do you expect to get from an acre? It was a little too complicated because a case has 12 things. I tweaking his question a little bit

because I like the spirit of it, which is how many grapes go into a bottle of wine? Pino-to-wine. How many individual grapes? Yes. Okay. I like where he went with this from how many grapes go into a bottle of wine.

Or we could, we'll go it back. I don't know the answer to this. It's funny. because for the amount of like wineries have been to and tastings I've been to, they've probably told me every single time and I don't, I've never retained it. Into one bottle.

Dave's question is a little more nuanced, but it involved a lot of math that I was, it would be a disaster if we tried. All right. Three. Yeah, okay. Just three grapes, those are my guess. No, three, two, one.

500. Wait, did we all say 100? I said 500. I said 400. Oh, I said 100. Okay. we're all somewhat in the vicinity of I feel like I went high

I don't know okay I'm good at how many it's not very efficient wow 500 to 700 grapes wow look at you K

I felt like imagining just the process of going through it yeah it would take a lot in retrospect that makes more sense than what I said okay so you get Nissan Haskins

okay all right then I'll take Michael Carter Rico, we're not counting Rico Doudal for this. Are we saying he's available? No, he's 59% roster on Yahoo. We're going to say he's not available. I would take Dowdle over Khamani Vidal. I'll give a shot to Kimani Vidal.

I'm curious to see if he can get things going. So I like Kamani Vidal. And if those guys are around- It annoys me that his last name is pronounced Vidal. I'm pretty sure I have that right, right? I checked, I was checking and I believe that's correct. But it doesn't look like Vidal. No, it's like Vidal.

But I remember saying Vidal. It's like Vidal Sassoon. I know. But I'm pretty sure you're right, High Fits, at least what I was seeing on the internet. But it bothers me that it's Vidal. So there's that. Well, I said Vidal a lot. I don't know if that means anything to you, but in terms of if you're going to, you know, try and waver them.

Thank you for letting us know. Other running backs, if you're really down bad, I would just shout out. There's a whole class of guys now that are just kind of playing time that might get a job eventually that are just kind of dart throws if you're really down bad. But like a Kyleman, unguy for the Bears who I wonder if coming out of the buy, he just is clearly the backup. Like Swift is not breaking tackles. And I think Kalamana guy is kind of more, quote, unquote, in between the tackles like North-South guy.

And I kind of wonder if he gets a larger role as a rookie going forward. Kendri Miller for the Saints of just, he's just playing a lot. He's just playing a lot for the Saints. And Camara, I do think is more. What if Camara gets traded? Camara is more present and past. And Kendra Miller, for is more part of the future of the team.

He looks good, too. He does. They're like, it's becoming more of a split. It's almost like when the head. head coach doesn't literally hate his guts and try to put him on injured reserve at a spite because he Miller thrives. So there's guys like, I know, Isaiah Davis on the Jets, but we're just Braylon Allen's out two to three months, so he's the backup. But those guys, honestly, our guys, we could have recommended, but now that there's not a feeding frenzy, but there's

like new life here. So, yeah, Haskins and Vidal are definitely the guys, even though, again, they might suck, but all these guys might suck. We're going to keep rolling here, but first, this episode is brought to you by IKEA when you're hosting on Game Day and it comes to cooking, you want a kitchen that everyone there will be a fan of no matter what your kitchen dreams are. IKEA has products and solutions to help from kitchen remodels to smart new cutlery. Whatever the size of your kitchen dream and budget, you can bring it to life with high quality, expertly designed, and innovative product from IKEA. Visit IKEA.us slash dream kitchen to learn more dream the possibilities.

You crushed that read. Nice job. Wow. Thanks, Craig. Appreciate that. That was really smooth. That felt good. I thought I said dream well.

Expertly is a word I can say really well. It was good. It had good cadence, good pace, good pronunciation. I'll try. Appreciate it. Just gassing him up. Yeah. Well, with good cadence.

Receivers. I actually said that because I was staying. No, not as clean. I take it all that. You know, she stole the brainpower on the ad, man. Look, what can you say? I was staring at I, like, he is good cadence. But yeah, receivers weird because

not a frankly the guys who popped a rostered i don't know how to say it people like there isn't some magic gem guy who popped this week that's like he's super available it's kind of a bunch of guys we probably talked about swith that said dk like of this usual cast of characters and they want at receiver you would if you need to like kind of pick up and play this week going going back to the well with kendrick bourne for the 49ers um joan jennings is banged up multiple injuries ricky Pierceall has a knee injury. I think they're going to probably play it safe a little bit with him. And Purdy is also banged up with multiple injuries. So Mac Jones might just be the starter for the next couple of weeks. We'll see. Obviously, this is a little bit speculative. But Jones, Mac Jones has

good chemistry with Boren. He came in, had 11 targets in this game on Thursday night. He was incredible. We need to talk about that game. That game was unbelievable. Yeah. Too bad we did. It's really simple. Kendrick Boren was really good for Kyle Shannon in San Francisco for four years. He was the Joanne Jennings before Jennings. He was the third down guy for the born for that first Super Bowl run they made. Then Kendrick Bourne went and played for Mac Jones, played with Mac Jones to the Patriots. So it's kind of like Thursday night, hey, Pierce Sol's out. Jennings is out. None of these guys have ever caught passes from the Niners, from Purdy, but Mac Jones is playing. And it's like, well, hey, one guy knows the offense

and the quarterback. And so he got all the targets. So I agreed to you. Craig, speaking of like Ricky, or not Ricky, Rico Dowdell, like feeling yourself for starting a guy, even though it's very scary. I started born in two leagues, two of my region. draft league. I started him as well. I felt like a fucking king. I started Matt Jones. I can't be killed. I'll never die. I'll never die. I'm just going back to while with him, I think. If Ricky Pearson

plays, would you play him? Yeah, if one of the two If one of the two plays, I'm still comfortable playing him. If both Pierceaw and Jennings are playing, I'll probably not be starting him and then I'll have to look elsewhere. I agree with that. Craig. Yeah, I do too. So how does that work? It's like a because they're playing the bucks. Like, can we say Kendrick Bourne if only one of the two receivers return and if not we pick a different

guy? Well, I think we got to add it before you know. You have to make a choice. I think we say pick him up because if either of those guys sit, if Jennings or Pearsall sit. Oh, so it's the other guys are going to get hurt again. Yeah. I would say just pick him up and see. Just be careful about whether you start him, but I think you want to prioritize him on the way. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm, I'm comfortable doing that. The second guy, I will, I guess we'll get to it after trivia. You want do Kendrick Bourne? I think Kendrick Bourne, yeah Showdown Time, yeah. All right, it is the

Kendrick Born Showdown time. Bang. Love that gong. That's all I got, man. This email's from Will. Willie. W. Bone.

Will says, for breakfast, I had three scrambled eggs and it cured cup of coffee with oat milk. Three scrambled eggs. Yeah. Straight protein. Will says, I feel like you guys, would love fat bear week. I'm always surprised you've never talked about fat bear week on the show ever. Craig I was really into fat bear week for a while. I don't know what that is. So, well, we'll include

the synops. It's live cams, Craig. You can watch the bears. It's live cams. Before can't say that was something else. It's only bears. So is it on omega-l? Where do you watch? Omega 3 is more like because they're eating fish, baby. So the official fat bear week website says, vote for the fattest bear of the year. Some of the largest brown bears on earth. How have you I've never heard of this. What are some of the largest brown bears on Earth make their home at Brooks River in Catmine National Park, Alaska? Brown bears get fat to survive for the winter and fat bear week as an annual tournament

celebrating their success in preparation for hibernation. It's a single elimination tournament. The matchups are open for voting. And each matchup, you watch the live cams with the bears eating salmon and being fat, and you vote for the bear that you believe best exemplifies fatness and success in brown bears. And the bear with the most votes advances to the next round. only one bear will be crowned Fat Bear Week champion

You just watch the bears and vote on who you think kind of looks the fattest Yeah, it's incredible They're huge, they're chunky It's unbelievable It's crazy Because they just

There's so much salmon Swim up the river They just kind of walk in They just kind of pluck one Eat the time These salmon Just hop into their mouths It's crazy

Except when I was in Canada I went fly fishing Didn't catch one fucking salmon Well you're not a bear bud That's why you're so skinny Probably because you probably can't fish where all the bears

are just like pounding sand I was afraid that I was going to run into a bear, but there was a salmon in the water, so maybe they weren't interested. I think the bears, the bears that are fishing there are not really as interested in humans because just they eat too good. Salmon's just like, I can just eat a salmon. So, anyway, the quote, Will's question is, last year, Grazer beat out her rival chunk. The trivic question is, how much did chunk weigh in pounds? Chunk lost? Chunk lost.

Grazer one. Grazer doesn't sound like a fat bear. No, that's a good point. But the fat bear week is unbelievable. You see the photos of these guys? No, where do you, wait, so where do you watch this? There's like live cams, Craig. Google Fat Bear Week.

But live cams where? The National Park sets them up. Like they have on their website or something? Yeah. Yeah, it's on YouTube. On the Internet, videos. Google the Fat Bear Week. How do you download this onto your iPad?

Well, I didn't know if it was like, like, you could like, I don't know. It was on TV or something like. Like Shark Week. I didn't know how popular. I think they're on YouTube. It's on YouTube videos, live streams. I have on a series before. I used to put these on in the background when I was working.

It's actually very fun. Fat Bear Week's amazing. Anyway, so how big is chunk? I'm not like, I made my guess already when I read the email. So I will read the guest that I did. How fat was chunk? It's a big bear. I kind of don't have the best frame of reference for how heavy bears are.

I don't either. I don't spend a lot of time out in the woods. of the bears. These are brown bears, you said? Yeah, brown bears. Get a number. Come on.

How long we have spent on this. All right. All right. Three, two, one. Eight hundred. 1500 pounds. Okay. I said,

I said 15. Craig said 12. What did you say, Hyvitz? I said 800. I'm probably, I'm probably too high. It's 1,200 pounds.

Bang. Once again, the person who knows the least will always do the best. Craig's never heard a fat bear week and gets it to the number. Never heard of fat bear. That's unbelievable. 1,200 pound bears?

Dude, Lordy. That's a large bear. that's a tremendous looking bear you got there. I feel like I'd be more afraid of a skinny bear because that bear's hungry. I feel like bears are one of the coolest animals out there. Hairless bear.

Faster than horses in short distances. Anyway, Craig, you get, who are you talking about? Oh, Kendrick Borant Dika, who do you get? Damn, this is a bad beat because there's not a lot of great options here. Let's see. We talked about Ryan Flower Noe last night. No way. With C.D. out for a while.

He's an option. catches last week for 114 yards. Alec Pierce is another option. I guess I'll go with Flower Noi, but I don't feel great about it. You go Flower No, like a Troy Franklin over AMA. You know how I feel about Troy Franklin. He won't touch a Bronco. Troy Franklin is probably the more rational choice here, but again, I don't want to

play Wacklemore with the fucking Broncos every week. I'm just like not interested in Troy Franklin at all, even though he did get eight targets this last week. So he's probably the rational choice. my irrational brain doesn't want to have to deal with Sean Payton every week. So I'm staying away. Fair enough. I respect everyone's right to be irrational.

But there's not a lot of, there are no other obvious options, I think. And you probably don't need one necessarily because, again, it's like who's on, I think there's more, I mean, maybe you don't have to plug and play these guys. But I will say Troy Franklin for the Broncos. I would take him. The Broncos are facing the Jets. Aaron Glenn played for Sean Payton as a player, coach for Sean Payton. I kind of think Sean Payton can really rock that defense.

So we shall see. You know, Romeo Dubs, I feel like I would take. him, but I feel like he might not be available. I do want to bring him up just because he might have gotten cut because the Packers were on by. He would be my top choice here, even over... 100%. He had 50% roster, but if he's there, get him first.

He had three touchdowns for Dallas. I want to mention him because he's rostered a lot, but the odds that someone cut him are solid because, again, they were on buys. So if he's available, I would take him. The other people want to shout out who had their injured reserve practice windows open, which is complicated now, but basically it means they get to be activated at some in the next three weeks. But even then, it's like they could be two to three weeks away.

from returning and then ramped up. But Jalen Coker for the Panthers, who is good and so good that the Panthers traded away at him feeling to get Jalen Coker playing time that he got hurt within like 30 hours of that happening. So then Jalen Coker was in the Jeter Reserve. I don't even think he's going to play this week, but if you have an IRR slot and it's empty,

I would put Jalen Coker directly, like on Yahoo, you can put him directly into the IR spot, actually, from waivers. I would just do that because I think Jailen Coker could be like a real contributor down the second half. I'm not saying his first game back from Indier Reserve you play him. I'm not saying that's even going to happen next week or two, but he's good. Christian Watson, too.

I don't know if Christian Watson's going to have any impact this season. Towards ACL late in the year, that's always bad. But I was surprised at the Packers, it seems like they're going to open his practice window up, which, again, is a three-week window for them activated, and then he's going to have to play. But eventually, Christian Watson's another example of guy. If you have an IR spot that happens to be empty and you're looking at receivers and buys coming up like you, but also, I don't think Watson or Goker are playing soon. So, and I, if the other person

I'm throwing it if you're desperate, Tori Horton for the Seahawks, I think Connolly does is catch touchdowns. I feel like that's a good example of a rookie receiver early in the season is whatever, and then as the season goes and goes, it wouldn't be shocked at Horton's good. He looks good. Yeah. DeAndre Hopkins, if you're desperate, and here's why, the Ravens defense sucks, and they're going to have to

fucking throw. And I know the Texans made the Ravens look bad, but I will say they're going to have, Cooper Rush going to have to throw some balls to DeAndre Hopkins at some point if you're desperate for a touchdown, because if we're talking about guys this deep, it's like, Hopkins is an Isaac Tesla, you're kind of just praying for a deep shot. I'm not saying you're there, but if you're really in a deep league, no shot.

I know, I don't think so either, but I'm saying if you're really desperate, if you're really down bad and you're like, Tyquan Thornton is gone. I would take Taekwan Thornton over these guys, even with like one week away. You know what I mean? So with that said, yeah. And then Luther Burden off a buy, I think is an upside guy. Just if you want to pick, if you kind of want to cycle through me, like, what happens out of the buy week?

You could go back to cutting Luther Burden, but out of the bar's by, it's similar to Kyle Manung guy for me where it's like, I want to see what Ben Johnson comes out of buy with some rookies. Do they accelerate out of the buy or not? We didn't mention Elyke-Iomenore on Tennessee, who the Titans have been getting killed with their schedule. It's opening up now. Like, they play the Raiders this week. This is the worst defense Tennessee will face all year. We saw Calvin Ridley put up 130 yards. He's also pretty banged up. So it's like, Iommonor versus the Raiders, you could do worse.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of you could do worse, tight ends, the actual theme of you could do worse, which is just every year with tight end. You can do worse. With that said, D.K., going into week six, who is the tight end you would add off of waivers this week

if you need one? Well, I think obviously if Darren Waller is out there, he's probably not. He's rostered in a lot of leagues. If he's there, I would definitely get him. Grab Waller.

Mason Taylor, rookie tight end for the Jets, who was a guy that I highlighted a couple weeks ago as just someone to keep in mind because he's playing a ton of snaps. He's their starting tight end. And he's out on the field

and that's certainly something. And this last week, he had 12 targets, nine catches, 67 yards, plus a two point conversion. He's one of, he's basically the number two receiver in this offense, unless you count, uh, Breeze Hall. But yeah, I think he's going to continue to improve. I think he looks good out there. Like he had made a couple of nice catches this last week. He is seventh in the NFL among tight ends and target rate, 19 percent.

19 percent target rate at tight end. The fact that that's out on the waiver wire is like pretty solid. So I would probably go with Mason Taylor. I agree. I had Mason Taylor as well. I mean, he's like playing a lot over 80% of snaps. The Jets only have three players with over 150 receiving yards this year. It's Garrett Wilson. It's Breeze Hall and it's Mason Taylor. They're playing the Broncos this week. You know, Pat Sertan's probably going to be on Garrett Wilson. We saw the Eagles just play. The Broncos in Dallas got it, had a season high nine targets. So I think short term Mason Taylor is a play this week if you have guys on by or beat up. Like if you've Brock Bowers or something like that. that, and I think long term, I think Mason Taylor's good, and he's quietly been playing just a ton for a rookie tight-in out the gate. I know Hyavits is anti-Jets. You're probably not going to go with him.

It's a great, my cousin, Vinny, Mr. Gambini, that's a lucid, reasoned, well-thought-out argument. Overruled. I'm just like, I respect that, but the way D.K. can be over, like, irrational about the Broncos. I've just seen too much of the Jets. I've just seen the Jets passing game. I've seen the vibes, and I can't,

if I'm going to lose on a Sunday, I can't lose because I had a rookie tight end on and I'm counting on Justin Fields to complete passes to him. So I actually have Mason Taylor like third and I actually think if I actually need someone this week I'd put him forth. Having said that, mine's also ridiculous. I kind of just keep one. I'm between Taysom Hill and A.J. Barner and honestly, I kind of keep thinking it's Tayson Hill,

which is, I understand ridiculous, but I would probably have Taysam Hill because one, I'm an addict. I'm not going to talk poorly about that. Love me some Taysam Hill. It's funny. He threw a pass. in this last. Dude, Tastom Hill, there really is no, honestly, the only comp to Taysam Hill in the 21st century, I think is like Tim Tebow, because Taysam Hill, 35 years old, coming off a torn ACL,

first game off IR plays nine snaps on offense, lines up at quarterback on like six of them, gets six carries, gains no yardage, which I admit, it's bad. Negative one, in fact. He lost a yard, which generally that is bad, and I admit that. However, all these guys, all these tight ends, are we happy with 40 yards in a touchdown, right? All these guys were like, that's five catches for 30 yards. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, what you're hoping for. We're all playing touchdown roulette with these guys anyway. I would like the guy that even in his first game back in limited snaps, they lined him up at quarterback six times. And he got six carries and he threw a 19 yard pass. And I'm like, if I'm going to play the touchdown roulette,

I would like the guy that even the new coach is giving Tase him all these packages. I acknowledge that he's as likely as any of these guys to get zero points. But I'm kind of of like he's the only one that's going to get you 30. And so I like that idea. I understand a more rational argument. And I would take him over Mason Taylor, too, is A.J. Barner for the Seahawks. I'm surprised, D.K., that you didn't take A.J. Barner.

It's a thin line between playing whack him all and being like, well, he had two touchdowns, so I'll get him. And then you just count on that happening again. That's dumb. Having said that, having seen what I've seen from the Seahawks offense, moving the ball, and Sam Darnold, and frankly, Donald takes shots. Donald gives guys shots.

And I kind of think Donald trusts to AJ Barner, and I just would rather bet on a guy who's clearly going to be playing for the Seahawks offense than the Jets offense if we're talking about passing and points and touchdowns and yards. You mentioned playing. The only problem with AJ Barners, he doesn't play that much. He's only out there for like two-thirds

of the passing attacks. That's the only downside is he really doesn't play a whole lot. I just could, I really just would, he also, he leads the teams in touchdowns. And I know that's dumb, but last year how many times we're like, well, Zach Kurtz, he can't keep doing this. At some point, there's a dynamic between players and I just don't They definitely use him in the red zone.

He's like a big, strong, you know, and they use him in a lot of situations where they're running and running play action. So that's like he's been kind of a leak guy or whatever, like coming out on the backside or in the flats and kind of giving Sam Darnival an option. He actually is third in the NFL on tight ends and red zone targets five. But yeah, 12% target rate, not going to be consistent. Like Craig said, he's not playing a ton. It's just like, you know, he could go out next week and have zero catches and it wouldn't be very surprising at all. But I do like it. I think he's a good player in the Seahs really like him.

They're using him, especially in the red zone. And I think obviously he has some chemistry with Sam Donald. So I don't like hate this. I think with any of these guys, you are kind of just hoping for a touchdown. That's the thing. It's desperate. It's totally desperate. I would probably go with the guy who had 12 targets, though, personally.

But I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I just, the Jets, it's just desperation though. I just, I mean, sorry, it's just garbage time. And I'm like, they can't move off. He's a high second rounder. or at least he was that middle second rounder. You're right. Again, you guys are probably right. I am being irrational.

I want to be clear about this. You're probably right. You should probably take, because again, it's the combo if he could do something this week, but there's more of a runway for the rest of the season. That's why I would take him over like Jake Tongis, where I'm like, if you have George Kittle,

I actually think at this point just add Jake Tongis. For the Niners. I really do. Tongus. I don't know to say his name. I don't know how to say tongues. You're speaking tongues. Tongus?

I kind of just, the Niners are playing the Bucs this week. And I'm like, I just saw AJ Barner catch two touchdowns against the Bucks. And darn, did they have five straight touchdown drives versus the bucks? I'm kind of like, Shannon, it's 10 days to prep this buck's defense. And I'm like, if you have Kittle and you're waiting for Kettle to come back, just freaking add Tant.

If you don't have them already, just get Tantius. I get that it was like, he had never caught a pass before. And like, he's clearly just part of the offense. And he's as good of a bet to just score a touchdown this week as anyone. Obviously, when Kittle comes back, he's toast. But if you have Kittle and you're kind of like screwed or if you have Bowers, I'm like, just do it, man. But I understand, like, Mason Taylor, all those guys who have longer runways are

better. So let's do trivia. D.K. and I will battle it out for Mason Taylor and Hyfitz. You're just along for the ride. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, you guys are taking a very highly drafted second rounder at LSU's playing all the time and I have a 35 year old positionless man coming off in ACL terrace, so tomato. All right.

It is the Mason and Taylor just for me and D.K., but Hyphitz is here to showdown time. This is from Dusty. Dusty. Man, the name Dusty makes me, oh no, it's Rusty. I thought of the Ocean's 11. Did you hear that Ocean's 14?

What? Really? Yes. Well, do we do this now or do this at the end of the show? I have some questions. I don't know the, I don't have the answer to those questions. I'm not making the movie, but I just heard the film production. Well, you know, is there a trailer? I don't have the answer to any question. No, no, no, they haven't even started shooting yet. Is Brad Pitt and Clooney and everyone in it, Damon? Yeah, the people who are alive, I believe, are returning.

Oh, my God. Oh, because Saul passed away, really? A couple. Is Saul, you're talking about Carl Reiner? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is there somebody else who's not around? Oh, Andy Garcia? No, no, he's alive, right?

Yeah. Also, he's not one of the... He's not in, yeah. He's good, though. He's a good job. Did he need one more? He kind of was on their side a little bit there and then. Spoilers!

Well, anyway. It's all right. It's a 10-year-old dude. There's just 10, 25. Well, no, what was Ocean 3? It was like 0-1 or something. Uh, okay. Wait, Ocean's 13 was? Oh, I thought about Ocean's 11.

Oh, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Anyway, this was Dasty. So it's still very long time ago. Yeah, 18 years ago. God, that's horrible. That's 18 years ago. I know I feel old. Anyways from Dasty.

So anyway, Dusty, what's up? So I was listening to your Sunday night recap show while riding my bike to work this morning. And when you mentioned Wahu McDaniel on the 1959 Sooners, I had my ghost screaming at the podcast moment because I immediately said to no one, I know him.

And the reason I know Wahu McDaniel is I love pro wrestling. And while I knew Wahoo McDaniel played college and professional football, I know Wahoo McDaniel is a popular wrestler for the AWA and NWA, where Wahoo McDaniel held the NWA United States Championship five times. Of course he did. Which a lot of people hit us up with this. So my trivia question is, this is from Dusty,

if you combine all five of Wahoo McDaniels championship reigns, how many combined days was Wahoo the U.S. champion? So he was the champion five times? Five times. So how many days did he spend is the champion? combined. I have no idea how wrestling championships work. I, wrestling is a massive blind spot for me.

Yeah. I have no idea, but I can come up with a number. Let's do it. All right. Three, two, one. Five hundred. You said four-twenty. Five hundred. I said a thousand. Probably gets too high. The answer is $296. Did Craig sweep?

No, D.K. won the first one, but I did win two. Yikes for me. All righty. Shout out Wahoo McDaniel. Wahoo. That's a great name. What was his real name?

Like Ed? I don't know. Wahoo McDaniel. His name is Ed. Edward Hugh. Wait, did you just guess his name is Ed and his name's Ed? I swear on my life, I just guessed his name was Ed. Are we in a simulation?

Ed is a very popular name, Hife. It's not like that. That's kind of crazy. Ed is a popular name. You're unimpressed. He just guessed one name. No, I'm not. I'm not impressed.

You're just, you're acting like, common names out there. You're acting like, you guess like some, like, really specific thing. I don't know, man.

I feel like I'm being gaslit now. I'm like, I'm like amazed by that. Okay. Go for it. What's his name? Ed? I'm impressed,

Craig. I'm not going to fucking have an aneurysm like high fits. There's like 200 names. Like, I basically, if somebody just said like, hey, that guy over there,

what's his name? I got it right. That's correct. You did a great job, Craig. Ed is like one of the first like five names. This is how I know. Really? Ed?

Time era? All right. Ed, Bob, Frank. Craig. This isn't about Ed. I was shitting on me getting Ed. It's because I'm not even sitting on Craig. I'm shitting on Hyphitz because he's like fucking blow.

His mind is blown. He's mad that I was excited. Well. You're being a younger. That's what it is. Okay. Go ahead and continue. Damn, dude.

That was crazy. No, it wasn't Craig. Actually, it was super normal. It's super normal to guess people's names. Um, his trainer's name was Dory Thuny Thuny. I was going to say that. If you would have gotten that, I would have fucking shit my pants.

Whose first name was Dorrance, which I did not know was the name. Dorrance Armstrong. Dorrance Armstrong. It's on Washington. Yeah. You don't hear a lot about Dorrance anymore. Dory Funk,

senior. D.K., if you have a second kid, will you go Dorrance? No, I'll go Ed. Okay. That was my grandfather's. Dorian's will help. Everyone will just know it's Ed.

Anyway, so who wins us? Craig wins. You get... I'll get Mason. Mason Taylor. And then I get Tayson Hill. So, D.K., I would say, does D.K. have the option to take Hifitz's guy here?

Like, who has priority now? No, we've done this a thousand times. It's like waivers. If you submit a waiver claim for... Right, right. Mason Taylor, I submitted for Taysom. So I get Taysom. And D.K.

submitted, now you get to... Honestly, I'm curious, do you come around and take A.J. Barner, D. There's a few other guys, but... Yeah, Barner or... I mean, Harold Fandon is still out there for the Browns. He hasn't really done a whole lot lately, but he did have six targets last week. He's playing a bunch.

I'm not going to lie. Probably go with Barner. Literally, I'm in 10 leagues. Every league I'm in fan and it's rostered. I would take Fanon. You, yeah, okay. 27% on Yahoo. What can I tell you?

I'll go with Barner. Would you take? Tensions are high today. I can tell. This is like a thing that goes back to last year. Hyphitz just arbitrarily decides who's on waivers. It's a little anecdotal. He's like, well, okay, I'm sorry.

It's at 20. 37% on Yahoo. So I'm just going by the numbers. Would you guys, you guys would take Mason Taylor over Fanon though? I would, yes. Yeah, I would.

I think Fanon was kind of the classic everybody freaked down after week one. He pulled a likely. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So you're taking Fanon.

No, I'm taking Barner. Hi, Fitz. Would you take Taseem Hill over Fanon? It's funny because in exact opposite ways, I think of them similarly, which is the upside is so much higher than most of these guys. And to be fair, I'm probably underrated. Mason Taylor probably also has a ton of upside

because he's a high second round pick on a team that's playing a lot. He also has upside just in a very traditional way. Fanon's like a receiver that's just playing, but it's the Browns. So what are you going to bank on? It's the Browns. And then Taysam is upside in a peerless kind of way. But I'm kind of like, if you can, you're going to scrape by,

I just want ceiling. That's kind of my issue with Theo Johnson and the Giants who also had two touchdowns this week. And I'm like, I think when neighbors, it's hurt. Three touchdowns in the last two weeks. The NFL and red zone targets for tight- And that's the thing.

Sometimes when a receiver gets hurt or like what other receivers will benefit, I'm like, they're probably just going to play more two tight-end sets sometimes. And I think that's what the Giants are doing with Bellinger and Theo Johnson. So Theo Johnson's going to get a lot of end zone looks.

I'm like, who's going to be in the end zone more, though? I'm like a little nervous about counting on the Jackson Dart Giants with even Darius Slate now being banged up. The idea and its neighbor's gone that like Theo Johnson will keep getting it. But he's also a perfectly reasonable dart throat, so to speak, for Theo Johnson to get a touchdown.

But I think the theme is, if you have George Kittle specifically, I like Jake Tongas, just because I think he will actually be pretty good until Kittle plays, and that works for you. Everyone else, I think you probably want more of a season-long option. And yeah, I think so, okay, so D.K., you're getting Fannin. No, you're taking Egypt Barner. Sorry, I just. Yeah, I do like Fanon, too. Either one is kind of just a dart throw, but yeah.

Fanon I like because if David and Jokke gets traded, I think that Harold's at the deadline, Harold Fanon would be, like, crazy. high upside. That's what I'm, that's what I'm thinking about Fanon. Yeah. And if not, he's like every other tight end on waivers. I'll be honest, like, I'm still hoping Fanon kind of breaks out and does this thing, but yeah, like Craig said, it's not looking so good.

He kind of pulled a likely and Nooku's playing a ton still. The difference to me is likely. It took him like three years to have that big week one and Fanon did it just immediately. And I'm like, that kind of does mean something. I think Fanon is good for what it's worth. Like he looks the part to me. He's a good with good body control, really good catches with his hands, like an extend to make catches and keep running.

I think he's going to be a very good player. It's just right now it's kind of hit or miss. But also, we didn't really talk about this, but Dylan Gabriel looked pretty solid for the rounds. I think it's fine. Yeah. I kind of think Dylan Gabriel,

I mean, look, it's not controversial, but like his third-round pick, I think Dylan Gabriel could absolutely eke out like an NFL career as somewhere between,

like, probably one of the league's more competent backups to a service. I don't know if anyone's, I don't know if he's going to be, like, happy as the Brown's future quarterback. I'm going to be a franchise quarterback. I kind of wouldn't be shocked if I'm not saying he definitely will be. I wouldn't be shocked if Gabriel's just the quarterback going to Cleveland next season.

And it's like, everyone's like, yeah, no, I kind of like him. He's fine. And he becomes like a bad Kirk cousins. He's small. It's like in the Rattler, Rattler area. He can execute it. However, it's one of those things you talk about. And then you're like, wow, this is just because Cleveland, it's, that the floor is so low.

And it's so pathetic that it's like they got through 41 quarterbacks. And you're like, this guy will do, but it's... I know. It's just been so bad that we're talking yourselves into it. Like you said, I haven't said. If we go into next season and the Browns are just like, yeah, we're going to go with Dylan Gabriel. That's depressing, I think. I think he can execute the offense, but the ceiling is very low.

Like, if the idea is that he can become Brock Purdy, I mean, sure. But we would need to see a lot, I feel like, in the next two months for people to feel comfortable with him being a starter next year. That's a good segue. because if I talk about fantasy defenses for a moment, I would suggest first the Pittsburgh Steelers because they're rostered in a lot of leagues, but also because they were on by, I think no matter what, check,

because sometimes people do cut good defenses on by, no matter what. And so these are very high roster defenses, but the Steelers versus the Browns, Dylan Gabriel in Pittsburgh next week is a different thing. And I just, you know, T.J. Watt, Dylan, it's worth trying. So if he's available, the other team that is very high rostered,

but you never know coming off a bite. The Green Bay Packers. We're playing the Bengals. Don't need to explain the Bengals' offenses looked horrible minus garbage time versus the Lions. They'd go 28 to 3. They were down.

Packers coming off a by, I know the roster, but if the Packers are available versus the Bengals, those are two unbelievable options. And the Rams versus the Ravens, which is also self-explanatory. If the Rams defense is available

for whatever reason, obviously the Ravens look, as Craig said yesterday. Like, honestly, kind of like the worst two or three teams in football. Yeah. If none of those teams are available, I would say the Patriots versus the Saints,

Vrable and I just really can't say enough about Vrable's week-to-week game-planning. I think it's the best in the league by a lot. And if he beat the Bills and Josh Allen, I really do think that Pats could kind of put the Spencer Rattler offense in its place. So I actually kind of like the Patriots defense, even though maybe statistically there's some questions. But I think that Vrable will really be able to limit their Saints. Titans are playing the Raiders. It's just Gino Smith leads the league in picks and Titans defense. I know it's tough to pick a Titans team where the offense puts them in such bad spots.

but if you do want to pick six potential on a random defense, which happens every week, the Titans are there. Colts versus the Cardinals, which is just, Colts defense is kind of awesome, man. Like, Luana Ruma,

what the Colts are doing. The Colts are actually doing some really cool stuff, and the cults defense is legit. Cardinals are prone to blacky stuff. Yeah. So the obvious ones are Rams, Packers, Steelers,

because of the matchups, but if they're not available, Patriots, Titans Colts, I hope one of those teams would be available for you. Yeah. All right. And then quarterback really quick.

I don't know how many people need a quarterback, but I mean, Jackson Dart, if he's there. Bryce Young, which is God gives me the heby-jeebies, but if you're desperate, you're desperate. But they're playing Dallas, and Dallas is certainly going to put up points on Panthers. So it's kind of, even if the Panthers have no points through 40 minutes, I kind of still think Bryce Young could still have a great fantasy performance.

And again, I know I'm recommending Bryce Young, but you're desperate enough to consider it. So I think Dart and Bryce Young are the two guys that I would do. I mean, also Mack Jones, dude. Yeah. If Mac Jones is available, yes. I mean, he's 4% rostered. I mean, he's been very good, the games he's played. He had 22 points last week.

He's had two games of 20 or more points this year already. Like they're playing the bucks. I know it sounds like a hot take, but we talked about this at the time with quarterback nature versus nurture. I really do believe Mac Jones would have had an alternate universe career if the Niners had just taken him 12th or whatever in that draft. The Niners had just not traded up and had two extra first rounders they had used and just had Mac Jones and stuck pat and took him.

I think Mac Jones would have been what we now think of as Brock Purdy. Yeah, that sliding door is wild to think about. It's kind of like if Mahomes went to the Bears and sucked because they would have played him immediately and not been coached by Andy Reed. And Mahomes sucked and, like, washed out. And we're like, oh, I can't believe you took him third. Imagine if I told you there was this alternate universe where Patrick Mahomes was like literally Tom Brady's air.

I kind of think Matt Jones would have won two Super Bowls by now if they had just taken him. I wonder how likely it is that let's say Purdy's pretty banged up all year and Mac Jones has like a pretty solid season if he signs a decent contract like a one year contract somewhere goes and actually plays like he goes to the Browns

or something and plays well and just kind of revives his career and goes to the right team in the right system can I throw out a team Minnesota Vikings I'm letting darn it if McCarthy doesn't pan out and again he has years to pan out as we're seeing like quarterbacks take time

if McCarthy sucks though all time letting Donald go is going to like it's maybe haunts Minnesota forever forever all right maybe forever's a lot dramatically no I've been thinking about that too a lot the last few weeks is like how much Minnesota is like fuck we should have resigned Sam obviously they had a plan it was such a difficult position it's easy to revision his history it was that was a very difficult thing we took a first round quarterback the bridge guy's great you pay him 35 to stay you know what I mean stop And he might not have taken the same money because he wants to play. Right, right.

You'd overpay him to maybe not play. Those last two games, I think, made it a little bit easier, at least for the Minnesota front office to kind of justify the decision. Yeah. Because if Donald had played well and they went to like the NFC championship and almost made the Super Bowl or something like that, and it wasn't Donald's fault. And this is, you know what a good example of this is too? The Daniel Jones thing with the Giants. Did you guys had everyone in the world not make fun of the Giants relentlessly for giving him the contract? Imagine for a moment if the Giants had not let him walk and he went to the call.

and played like this. What the fuck would everyone be saying about the giant running Daniel Jones go? It's easy to criticize, but like, a lot of things, a lot, there's always more possibilities than you think. I do think the statistical nature

of Darnold's season last year, though, was much, it was just so much more spectacular than what Daniel Jones did. It felt like, it felt like Dayball kind of like schemed up a playoff win

in that season with Daniel Jones versus Darnold who felt like, even though he had McConnell on the system, like, Donald was fucking crushing it. He was like top five in like every passing metric.

Donald's lows were lower than Joe. Well, maybe that's not even true. But Darnold, but the highs, Darnold that always was a significantly better prospect with way more talent, obviously, than Jones. I mean, Jones was a stretch at six. Darnal was, just always was a really toolsy guy.

I think it's just really cool that all these guys are having kind of second chances and second wins in their career. Like Baker. Like, Gino, obviously, is like not playing well this year, but Gino having a second life on his career has been awesome. Darnel, Daniel Jones like I'm happy for all these guys it's good and I think it's good for the

league because the league needs quarterbacks you know what I mean and coming out the like coming out of the draft it's very hit or miss especially with when you look at some of the college offenses and like the way that they're developing guys so yeah if you look at some of the things that are happening in college football right now with transfer portal and you can stay a little bit longer and things like that and then in addition you're like teams seem more willing to give guys second chance and kind of give them another shot at being starters. Like it's,

it's all good. The NFL needs more quarterbacks, honestly. The Aaron Rogers revival, right. Yeah. It's great. It's great what's going on.

You know what I mean? Okay. A couple of meals here. They don't think he's revived. Okay. We got, I keep asking the question of why can't punters kick and kickers punt? Like,

what's going on? Did we get an answer? We do. We have an answer. All right. It's a basic answer and then a real answer. So one is from Eli. A lot of people emailed us.

And I apologize. Ebon. E-one. emailed us this last year. Eli. It's E. Pie. That's what Eli Manning's mom calls him. E. Pie. So a lot of people who noticed this last year, but the answer is just a cult kicker gets hurt. Why doesn't the punter kick? There is a short-term answer, which is Eli writes, well, I sleep an extra 10 minutes instead of eating breakfast. So Eli doesn't eat breakfast.

Efficient. It's probably 22, right? That feels like two. Well, young people love breakfast, though. Yeah. That's true. You're growing. I feel like sleeping an extra 10 minutes is like an old thing. The older you get, I feel like the less likely you are to eat breakfast. That's true. So Eli writes, punters are typically the holder catching the ball from the long snapper placing incorrectly takes a ton of practice so they can't really have anyone else doing that

if the punter's going to kick that's funny that was the reason that was given to us in the past and I understand it but I don't agree with it. I just it's one of those things. Do more than one thing. I know it's one of those things right. You got to have a second holder right.

Yeah, maybe you have another guy that can do it. But that doesn't answer the punter thing where the Raiders punter gets hurt which again, we're seeing block kicks every week. the guy's leg gets hit and you get the ball and he gets injured, it's fine. So who's your holder? Like, you need a backup holder too. That's not really an answer. It's like, oh, so the punter got it. So that means the punter gets hurt.

You can't punt or kick field goals. Like, you need a holder. Here's the real answer. Clis Cloe. Sorry, that was like a tongue twister. Chris Clue. Chris. Cluey, who is the punter for the Vikings for a long time. Now he's kind of like an activist, but he does a lot on the internet. And he did a Reddit AMA and someone asked him this question. And he gave an incredible answer.

And so he said there's two answers. He said, first, so he starts the answer with, I feel like I have to answer this every couple months. Which, yeah, you know what? You do. Sorry. It's like the only thing he gets. It's like people seeing like Jason Alexander on the street.

They're like, George! George! Pick something else. So he says, you don't see hybrid kickers and punters and you never will because of two reasons. I love it you never will. Confident. He says, one, just the motions interfere with each other. Kicking is a swivel motion, the hips.

Punning's more straight on. If you mix them up. Yeah, he says, if you make them up. If you mix them up. I don't accept that answer. I know. I'm like, I just watched Shohayotani Strikak, Carl Schwer.

Once again, please be able to do more than one thing. Do two things. That's all I ask. What is a swivel and one is straight? So that's the thing. He said basically one on the special athletes. Well, that's the thing. So he says, here's the real answer.

This is more importantly. He says it's not physiologically possible to do that much kicking over 21 week period. Now, to be clear, though, he's talking about being both in the same team. The question was, could you be a kicker and a punter for the season? And his answer was, the practice schedule is punt coverage. He says basically there's too much, there's no rest.

And like you don't think of, pitchers obviously in baseball need to rest their arms. So kickers need to rest their legs. And you don't think about it. We don't think about the special teams portion of practice. But his answer is practice schedule on Wednesdays is like punt coverage, punt return field goals. Thursday is kickoff, kickoff return,

field goals Thursday. Punt coverage, punt return are Friday. And notice how they staggered kicking days by position and so that the kicker gets two days of rest before the game after kickoff day. And he says, that is so your leg doesn't explode into a million billion tiny shards of red hot muscle agony. And our special teams coaches actually keep track of how many kicks we're taking throughout

the week so we don't overkick an inch or something, kind of like a pitcher. And he says, as it is already currently, it's already a tight balancing act between getting enough reps for the coverage guys on special teams to practice versus us pulling a muscle so that they can get reps. That's already a balance. So adding in the practice time on your non-specialty thing. would be quite taxing on your leg. Now, he's talking about that in the course of,

could you be both a kicker and a punter for the whole season? I still don't know why they can't do it in an emergency. Yeah. Right? Practice during the off season then. I don't fucking care. This reminds me of like the F-22. It's like the $5 billion plane that can't fly in the rain or something.

It's like, come on. It's not practice in the off-season then. Does that satisfy you, Craig? No. I feel like so half the problem is that these punters have to punt a lot so that the punt squad can like practice. Well, yeah, they need reps and the punters punting, which again, that is funny to me.

I feel like we could maybe make a lot of money if we just invented a machine that could like create a punt, a simulated punt. So they have a punter. Why do they just do that? They kind of have a punter here. They're like, just do that. But I thought it was like,

it's a, it's a, they fear that they are going to pull their muscle every week because they're having to kick so much in practice. Why don't they use the machine then? I don't know, man. I guess they want to practice against the real punter. I think if they're going to block a kick or whatever they want to actually practice, but you don't want to touch him. I don't know. It's funny because I get, that's a good answer. But like, yeah, you need a rest of the leg. Yeah, it makes sense. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. I guess, like, I guess, I guess, I guess what I'm surprised is, I understand why a punter from 40 plus would be like, yeah. I kind of just surprised an NFL punter. which again, they're specialized. And I understand specialties and the body is different. Having said that, all these guys are pretty confident. I'm kind of surprised the punter doesn't think

he could make a 33-yard field goal. Yeah. They're not even like letting them take fucking extra points. Like the Colts had to go for two on every play. I mean, it didn't matter in this game. That was the Colts, right?

Yeah, but the holder thing I get, but I'm like, so if the punter gets hurt, there's no field goals? Like, who's the backup holder? Well, I guess the calculus is like, what percentage field goals made, would you have to, like, what is the highest percent field goals made would you accept

to not go for two every time? Like, if you bring this punter in and he can hit like 60 percent of his 35-yard field goals, is that worth kicking it or should you just go for two? But the irony is you should probably just go for two every time anyway. Right. Like, basically, I would say, because the kicker, in theory,

makes like 100% of their extra points or whatever. So it's like, the punter would have to be nails for you and not just go for two. So I guess might as well just go for two anyway. Okay. Fair enough. You know what I mean? That was the answer. Yeah, that was the answer.

Like, even if they're like 75% success rate on extra points, is that really worth it to like miss one of every four or just go for fucking two? I guess not. It's almost like the other 32 teams have thought of this. But yeah. Let's not give them that much credit. But yes, you're probably right, but let's not like appeal to authority here. Teams do a lot of stupid shit.

Another email here. Andy just points out that I said Temu and Craig was like, it's Timu and it is Temu. well okay Andy actually DMed me or like mentioned me and said everyone's big take there was an ad where they said Temu and everyone's big takeaway was that

no it's fucking Timu like they were bad company yeah no no everyone agrees that it's Timu except the company themselves like everybody says Timu that's tough for me because I want to be right but I actually agree generally that I'm like yeah just if everyone says that it's fine

what does Temu mean What is it? It's a company. Is it short for something? Oh, I don't know. It's an app that turned like the way that, imagine the most like deep fried crazy brain rot style ads on the internet. And they were like,

what if we just sold you actual products? That was everything we did was the most low-hanging fruit ad possible. But I don't know what that actual was. They made it like a slot machine. But DK's asking what does T-Mu actually mean. Oh, the word. Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Like, where'd they come up with this name? Like, is that an acronym? I don't know. Well, it's a Chinese company, right? Timu Timo and Mandarin It means It doesn't mean anything

All right Well That's cool It means team up Pricedown So it stands for team And it's not Timo That's a huge

What are they doing What are they doing? I feel like we just Came up with the answer here What does it stand for? Wait We said team up price down Says that

But who knows Oh their motto Is team up Price down. Their motto is team up, price down, but they... Team up, but Temu. That's the marketing team being like, guys, she should call it Teamu. I think it's Timu now. All right. Okay, last one here.

I'm like uncomfortable even talking about this. And I'm going to tell you right now, if you are listening and you don't want like a bunch of fart noises to play, I would just end the show. Just end the show. A lot of, like a handful of emails of people who already made fart or shot in terms. I am one of these people myself and I'm physically uncomfortable with this, but I don't like listening to fart noises. It makes me more.

uncomfortable than funny. However, Craig asked the fart or shart thing on Sunday should have like a 90s style radio intro. More people that I thought made one. What's the one from Parks and Rec? It's like, damn it. You know, you guys watch Parks and Rec? I've watched some of it.

Oh, there's like, oh, there's the two like shock jock guys. And it's like, stinky and the douche or something. And I can't remember it. I think they're inspired. Damn it. Stinky. Believe it or not, I had Carlos load these in. So this is, and again, if you don't listen to the Sunday show for whatever reason, the fart or was this performance a fart,

which is if you wait a little bit, it'll go away, or is it a shart? Like a real situation. Oh, I got it. It's crazy Ira and the douche. Crazy. That's incredible. Okay, anyway, sorry. It was nitral.

These are the potential 90s shock jock intros. I'm nervous. I can't wait. Carlos, give us the one from Tim. The Ringer Fantasy Football Show presents. Far or shark Ooh, that's gonna leave a mark. Featuring Cooca Crazy Craig

and the Diper Dany's. Ew. Thank you. The echo and the reverb. Someone did that instead of like working. That's so good. We also have one of the diaper dannies. We've one from Jason.

Okay. Far. Or sharp. Oh my God. Change your. Sean. The arrow The arrow.

It's so good. It's got the arrow. Oh, man. Thank you so much for these. Oh, we also have one from Matthew. Okay. It's time for America's favorite segment. America's favorite segment.

Five. Four. Jesus. This guy's just fart in all goddamn season. I am. The face light on that. Wow. These exceeded my.

I have never felt so in awe of our power with the show as the fact that like seven people spent their Monday morning making these things. Damn, I feel like by tomorrow we'll have enough to just do a power hour of 10 options. Just rank them. Well, that's a good idea. Which one did you like the most, Craig? Man, who was first, Tim? Tim was first? Tim was first.

I think I like Tim and Matt's. They were all great. I think I like Tim and Matt's the most. That's tough. I like the beat of Matt's was great. but Tim's had the best sound effects I would say and the most air horn usage

the best air horn we have them all loaded so now we can we can mix it up yeah we'll mix it up oh my yeah thanks to everyone wow those were unbelievable I just think that's I fucking love that era

that like early radio or like you know early 2000s late 90s radio crazy Craig that's like Howard Stern Man show shit what is just all right

Crazy Ira and the douche. Just like that voice and the douche. Yeah. Where did that become like the standard? You know what I mean? That guy's the voice. It's the original brain rot is radio voices. Well, this is kind of where the whole metal draft idea came from is like when I was doing analysis and stuff.

I'm like just kind of even keel, not very like, you know, you guys are how I always do like ads. It's like you need to bring up the energy. and then Chris was like, I'm just going to do monster truck voice over everything and that was like how it all started. He's like, Sunday, Sunday, if people haven't seen it,

we should post it again. The first metal draft you did with Chris Ryan videos is actually one of my favorite things the ringers ever made. They were so unhinged. We'll put that on the Instagram. Okay, I think that's all we got.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos, for making this episode. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronnie. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everybody for listening. emails fantasy court ideas emails more trivia if you want to sit down and make if you think

you can top what you heard go ahead and make a harder chart edit yeah why do your job just go ahead and make that thank you for listening thank you Lord Lord Lord thank you Led Zeppelin I almost said journey do have we done

journey lately or ever probably 10 times 600 shows or something lately is like probably which one do you like more lead Zeppelin or journey I feel like I'm not going to lie. I definitely couldn't name like five Journey songs. Probably couldn't name four.

I feel like with Journey, you probably know more than you can name. You think? Yeah. Like, I don't stop believing I think I could get every lyric. And then I don't really know what else they got going. Yeah.

Like, again, it's hard for you remember the specific names. Go down in the city. Yeah. Lights. Wheel in the sky. You know what? I always forget they do any way you want.

Never mind. Any way you want it. Faithfully. Oh, yeah. Faithfully. Okay. All right. There's, all right.

There's way more. They've got a ton of hits. But it's funny sometimes how culture like is passed down secondhand sometimes where that is inextricable to me from the Sopranos. I literally had never heard that song before the Sopranos ending. So like that's just the Sopranos ending song that now is very popular. Obviously it had like a 30 year. When did you watch the Sopranos?

When it came out. But it started when you were like. Well, I didn't. watch it in order. I watched like the final season first. Okay. You watched the final season. You watched the last season of Sopranos first? Well, I was in seventh grade. It wasn't like they just had that shit floating around. It was on television. You turned it on. Didn't buy the DVD box set? Damn, that kind of sucks. Well, I was

13 and it was on. I know that sucks that you had the ending spoiled that you probably had no idea what the fuck was going on. I read it. I read some synopsises on AOL about you know, Phil. AOL. Oh, yeah. Like he was going to be in a lot from his world. Yeah, AOL had like the little spinning carousel And I was like, oh, I lost too. I think I had this, I lost. The way I watched Lost was deranged because it was on. And so like in the final season.

So I would watch an episode if no idea it was going on, read Lostpedia to just learn who the fuck is this character. And then I finished the last season of Lost. Was Lost as good as the hype would indicate? I watched that at a moment. But having watched the first season later, at the moment, it was crazy. But I can't believe you.

You were just watching shit out of order. That's fucking crazy. I was 13. And I'm like, what are you going to do? Oh, the sanctity of the Supratos. I'll go back and watch all. I don't know. So you want to know like the fricking.

It's not even the sanctity. It's like, people seem to like this show. Maybe I'll just wait and start from the beginning instead of just reading the last chapter of the book. I know who these characters are. It was a big deal. I just like can't imagine doing that. That's weird. That's great, though.

I like that for you. You did the same with Lost? Yeah, it was on. Everyone was talking about. I was like, what's this thing? Okay. So Lost, I feel like that would be even, like, way more confusing watching late. I feel like Tarantino tries to confuse you on purpose.

It was like, it was kind of, I don't know, it was kind of like coming in the middle of Pulp Fiction. It's kind of insane. Lost, the first season of Lost, I Will Stand By is one of the best seasons of television ever. And it was, it was fantastic. And like, truly on the edge of your seat, you couldn't wait till next week. Carlos is texting saying, this is just how TV worked before streaming. It doesn't seem very crazy from Hyphids. Well, before they had streaming, they had these things called DVDs.

I was 13. You want me to buy six seasons of the Sopranos? Just saying, like, if you don't see a show, if you don't see a show on television, that doesn't mean you don't see it. It kind of does. There's other, no, no, not true. There's other ways to watch shit. Did you want me to log on to iTunes and use my iTunes gift cards to buy six seasons

of Sopranos? Is that 13-year-old? Sure. I just, I just think it's like, there's this prestige show. that is like apparently incredible and just hopping in at the very end. That word had not even been used yet. It was just a show that was on and everyone was talking about it. So I turned it on.

You're super wrong about that. It was not just a show that was on. It was like the biggest best show of all time. It was winning every Emmy. It was like a huge deal. That's why I wanted to watch it. Because everyone was like, this is really good. It's a big deal.

I'll turn it on. So, okay, so you saying prestige wasn't around, but everybody knew it was like an amazing show. The term prestige TV had not even been used yet in like 2000. six. Okay. You're kind of missing my point. I'm saying like, I feel like the fact that it was such a big show and it like was so good

to me, I would not want to just then hop in at the very end. I would want to wait and watch it from beginning. Yeah. Now when the convenience of the streaming era, yeah, at the time, the idea of catching up on six seasons of television before I watched this, like, I think, I don't know. I didn't, I just was like, I'm going to turn this on and watch it. I was 12. Is this that crazy?

You guys have never just, like, jumped in the middle of a show that was a big deal? That never happened? No. What about, like, sitcoms? I feel like this is what I did with everything. Sitcoms are totally different, though, because every episode is, like, kind of stand-lo. Hopping into Friends in season four is not the same as the last season of the Sopranos. I know it's not.

I learned that watching The Sopranos. Yeah, no, I've never done that. Because it was the first time I tried doing that. I just think I'm offended by the idea that if you didn't see something, when it was airing live that you're fucked and you can't watch it otherwise. Like, dude, we had other ways of watching shit before streaming. How old were you in 2006?

24. That's kind of my point. I was 12. How am I supposed to watch the first six seasons of the Sopranos? I had tapes when I was 12. I don't know. I bought things before I was an adult.

I don't know to say what your point is. I didn't care enough. Because to do that, well, that's fine. Here's my thing. I had never seen the show. it's just kind of like listening to a song on the radio or to decide you're going to buy the album.

You want me to spend seven, like, you want me to buy the first season of Sopranos in case I want to cat. I'm like, I'm going to just watch the show and see if I like it. Okay, that's fine. People are told you.

I understand. I understand. And your parents let you watch the Sopranos. I know it was a big deal that they let me watch it. They didn't let me watch it for the five previous years. I had to go to bed while they watched the Sopranos. And then they're like, you can watch it.

I'm like, fuck yeah. That was it. I want to watch it. Yeah. Bobby got shot at this little train shop. That was crazy. That was fine. I didn't need to know the nuances of the commentary, the American Dream.

I was like, choo-choo guy, go away. I just can't imagine picking up, like, at the late part of a series. Yeah. And just, like, not knowing anything about the story or the characters. I guess I understand if you're 12 years old, you kind of, like, don't know what's going on. You sit down and watch a show your parents are watching. I'm more just like, that kind of sucks. Like, that sucks.

So, like, to be clear. You say that? I don't, I don't. I'm actually also in Craig's, like, camp hero. I'm like, I don't actually care that much that you picked up late. I just was offended by the idea that you, like, were physically incapable of watching the show at some point. Like, it's like so hard to find a tape. That I'm less.

What do you talk? You want me to go to Blockbuster and, hey, mom, I want to rent the first season of the Sopranos? Sure. I'm pushing my luck here. That'd be great. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, I get like a 12-year-old wanting to watch your parents watch. I'm more just like, that sucks that you just like hopped in late had no idea what was going on and knew.

I think this is, I think streaming is totally changing the thing. If I had listened to you guys, I was there and saw the finale. And when the screen went black, I also was one of those people who thought the TV cut off. I thought our TV cut out, which happened all the time, actually, with the TV we had. And I thought the TV blacked out. So I was part of this thing. Everyone remembers. And if I had done that, I would never, like, I remember that because I watched it.

I mean, I watched it on streaming on my later. And I had, I had know what the ending was. And I thought my computer crept out. There you go. I just mean that you had no idea what was going on. Well, that's why I read about it. Who's this Tony guy? Read about it out of Yale.

Like, you're like, who's this woman trying to park? Is she going to come kill him? Like, what's happening here? You know. Yeah. That's all. I feel better because Carlis are fixing here, just being like he's on my side.

I feel a little less crazy. The whole, like, you could have watched the DVD set. I don't really agree with that. I'm more just like, I don't know. I guess I'm surprised your parents let you watch. I guess, What were my options here? Don't participate in this thing or participate in the thing.

I'm not going to go and catch up on the 50 episodes or whatever. That's not happening. That's a new concept. So did you never watch The Sopranos? I have watched most of it. But yeah, deeply out of order. I never went back. The wire I've seen in order a bunch of times.

What does that mean you watched it mostly out of order? Because I saw the ending at the time. I just jump around. He just throws an episode on. What do you mean you jump around? Did you ever, you never watched it from beginning to end? No, because I fucking saw the thing. And I was like, oh, this seems like a lot.

This is insane to me. I don't, I don't care what Carlos thinks. What do you mean? When you just said you watched the wire five times? The truth is. What are the times you watch the wire? I feel like, I just pull up a movie and start in the middle. I feel like I was, okay, Carl's sister.

I'm not losing. I'm like, all right, I don't know. I saw the ending. I wasn't motivated to start over. I just can't imagine starting a show late in it. That sucks. It literally ruined it. I feel like you're taking what I'm saying is I would go back and do it the same way.

I'm just describing a thing that I did. Well, I know, I, but you're also defending it, defending it vehemently. It was normal at the time. I was like, everyone was talking about us. I'll watch a show. I wasn't thinking about the broader implications of missing out in some American cinematic piece.

I totally get that. If I was your parents, I would have probably said like, hey, we're not going to let you watch this, wait and watch the whole thing when you're four years older. But the fact that it, yeah, damn, that sucks. So you just bop around and watch random episodes of Sopranos.

that's fucking weird just depending on the mood i had a weird relationship it was the first like big show i got to watch it was yeah okay i'm not saying this is like i'm not recommending this yeah okay that's interesting watch the sopranos it's good email us at ring your fantasy football

at gmail dot com uh if you have i don't know what the right thing here i guess your relationship with there a certain like when you're for lack of a better term like when you're you're collision with like adult material and it just being like you just digested big cultural pieces wrong. I don't know how else to say it. I mean, look, I'm the guy who watches everything like two years late. So whatever. I don't have a. He watched Barbie on the VHS that just got in. I know. I don't know. I can't, you know, people are probably pissed off at me right now, but that's fine. I just think I like to watch,

I like to watch shows in order. That's all. That's all I'm saying. I would have preferred that too. I'll go back to the beginning. I didn't let me watch it when I was six when it came out. four. I'd say you could have started, well, whatever. We don't need to restart this conversation. All right. Did we think a band? I just want to point out that in the before times, in the early 2000s in late 1990s,

you were able to purchase popular culture shows. You can't say that. Not with 11. I literally wasn't allowed. You literally I couldn't do that. I bought things when I was. I wasn't old enough to do that. Literally, they wouldn't sell it to me.

That wasn't allowed. I wasn't 13. Okay. Okay. I feel crazy. I wasn't allowed to buy porn, but I found away, Hyfitz. I should have gone into the woods. I should have gone and watched the soprano's VHS.

You're not technically allowed to smoke cigarettes and drink before you're 21. Well, cigarettes, I guess, is 18. Fucking, you know, find a way, Hyfitz. Fair enough. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus in present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus in present in D.C., Kentucky, or 1,000.

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