The Ringer NFL Show - Micah Parsons Traded and the 2025 Take Purge, With Bill Simmons

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

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Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krollbeck. And oh my God, we were doing the take purge and then Micah Parsons got traded in the middle of it. So this episode's kind of going to be one-third or one-half take purge, which if you don't know is like our favorite episode thing we do all year. We'll explain it in a moment. Then it's like a quarter, Micah Parsons got traded and we freak out.

Then Bill Simmons walks in and then we just kind of talk about the Michael Parsons trade. I didn't even know he was at the office today. No. He came barging in holding his own chair. Follow us on his own chair. Follow us on Instagram, Ringer Fantasy Football. They got a video, Jomi, and you guys got a video of Bill actually sneaking in in the recording. He brought B.YOC brought his own chair to this recording.

So follows on his screen. It actually worked out quite nicely because we were kind of getting to the end of our Take Purge hour. We were like 50 minutes in. And then Jerry Jones had his own Take Purge and Micah Parsons was traded. Yeah. So spoiler, take perch. You know, it's great trade for Dallas, right? We all agree.

Yeah. Love it. Great move by Dallas. Thank God, Luca Darnich. Yeah. Thank God Luca and Micah Parsons don't play for them anymore. Brutal. So, yeah.

Honestly, this is the most electric show we've had, and I can't even remember. And also, we forgot to end the Take Purge. Yeah, we forgot. Yes. Well, I think the theme is that Take Purge really never ends. We're still in it. Yeah. All right, so we're going to get to all that.

If you are here because you want to hear about the Michael Parsons part, you can skip ahead to the Michael Parsons part. If you want to come on this journey with us, then stick around. we're going to take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show is presented by Hyundai. Get into the Hyundai Getaway sales event and get away with the deal so right, it almost feels wrong. You can get huge savings on their adventure-ready SUVs like the Hyundai Santa Fe and Santa Fe and Santa Fe Hybrid models.

Or go all-electric and choose from America's most awarded EV lineup, like the breakthrough, Ionic 5 or Ionic 6. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-3-3 for details, offers ends, and so. September 2nd, 2025. All right, I'm joined down by three men here, ready to purge our souls. You joined by three men? You're right. Well, I'm here. Whatever, man.

That's whatever. You know what? It's not about counting, D.K., it's about to take purge. He's like, oh. We're here. We're joined by the Holy Spirit. Exactly. Yeah.

Exactly. It's how we're going to have to survive this whole thing. We're joined by Chris Sims in spirit. Exactly. He's always weed us. A.A. the Holy Spirit. Yeah. I mean, again, we do this, this content, we do so many shows, we do so much prep, we do so much research,

and you end up with these unwanted thoughts, these intrusive thoughts, these unwanted ideations that we don't know what to do with. And so just every year, we have to just do a purge where we get rid of, we have a safe space hour to unleash all these things so we can be pure and respectable members of the citizenry in the republic for the rest of the year. We can cleanse ourselves of these haunting thoughts. I love to take Purge. Ari Aster has been in talks with us to turn it into a movie, so hopefully that works out.

Have any of us watched the Purge yet? I have, we did have three watchables. You did. Have we? No, I watched some of it. I refuse to watch it now. It's just a principle, but yeah. But yeah, no, this is good, actually.

This is my favorite episode we do. Did you find this year to be easier, harder than other years? Easier. Way easier. I've written a lot of these down over the course last five weeks. My process, Craig, is one hour before the show. I come up with all my take-urges. You let them bubble up naturally.

I can't think of one before, one hour before the show, yeah. I do think there's one thing that we need to remember for the take purge. And we heard it in the intro where Liz clearly outlines that we are not responsible for these takes. Yes. And I think sometimes we still feel encumbered by outside criticism for these takes. But these are not our responsibility these takes. It's not us making these takes.

It's whatever happens inside that 60-minute window. Professional credibility is suspended. Including things, some of these things are things we don't even believe. Correct. Most of them, perhaps. Almost all of them. Yes. Except the ones we get right.

Intrusive thoughts. And so if these takes end up being right, I don't want credit for them. Oh, there it is. I mean, it's time. heart rate going. 60 minutes. We have an hour. We're going to come out of this as different people, but it's time.

Dider, you gentlemen, anyone want to go first? Yeah, I'll start. Okay, Craig. Please, Purge. Baved in the light. There's been a lot of criticism about the Miami Dolphins this year. The vibes are terrible. I think Miami's going to win 11 games and make the playoffs. Okay. And I think...

Carlos is pumping his fist somewhere. I think this is all gone way too far. D.K., how many games do you think they won last year? Last year was a disaster. I was just about to look. that up. Was it? Eight? No one eight games. Yeah.

No one eight games last year. Like a fine team. Yeah, they're fine. And the games Tua has started and finished, the dolphins are 38 and 20, which is a 65% win percentage. So their quarterback has to stay healthy, which is like every other team in the NFL. Correct. Right.

65% win percentage when Tua starts and finishes games. That's better than Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love, Jared Gough, Derek Prescott. I mean, do I go further than that? you know what, 65% win percentages, roughly what Brady and Belichick won in the regular season together is about two-thirds of the case. It's only behind Mahomes, Lamar, Josh, and Hertz,

that winning percentage. Wow. So I'm kind of just like, you know what? I'm just going to zag on Miami. Everyone's like, vibes are terrible. I'm like, you know, vibes are terrible of Tyreek every single offseason. He's Tyreekill. You know what I mean?

They also have the ninth easiest schedule in the league. Their first eight games. They play the Colts, the Pats, the Bills, the Jets, the Panthers, the Browns, the Falcons, and the Chargers. They can be six and two after week eight. You know, it's like their offensive line, question marks, sure. They tried to kind of revamp the middle of it. They also have sneaky, fantastic defensive line with Jalen Phillips,

Bradley Chubb is back, Chop Robinson is a hit. Zach Sealer's good? Zach Seeler's good. I'm kind of just like, Miami is the team that nobody is talking about, and every time to a plays, they fucking win. Can I get you to admit that Jalen Waddle is good? In this, in the take per jail. I agree.

I don't think this is that. even that hot. I think that this is... Oh, I think every single person is... You're saying they're going to win 11 games and make the wildcard round? Yeah. Okay. Or I guess we could win the division. I think they will be in the playoffs and they're going to win 11 games.

I really like this. Yeah. I'm very into this. I love the... Whenever we have like preseason narratives and it seems like everyone agrees on something, I feel like that's definitely been... Things are just terrible in Miami. People are talking about Mike McDaniel getting shit canned at the end of the year.

I mean, he's the odds leader. for first coach fired. Right. I would say outside of the teams that are like the true bottom of the barrel, like the Browns and stuff like that, the Saints quarterback situation. I think Miami has the like the quote unquote

worst vibes in the NFL right now. Does Kenneth Grant guy has gotten? Yeah. Tons of Browns, Colts. I just said outside of the Browns and the Saints with like the bad quarter of it, I guess you could have the cults.

But I'm saying outside of the teams that are considered to be bottom three teams in the NFL. Each hand has been hurt all preseason. Yeah. Yeah. Overall, yeah, I think that I don't think the dolphins are like a real contender.

For a team that we, win 65% of the time when their quarterback plays, I feel like the public sentiment around them is horrible. Is it public sentiment? Is it our sentiment of us on our show? That? I've been kind of... I feel like I've been kind of pushing back a little. No, I agree. But I do like this... I want to piggyback

on that a little bit. Okay. And this is just something I thought of right now. This was not pre-planned, but like, Ollie Gordon might be the best running back sleeper in all of fantasy football. I agree. Jalen Wright just got surgery. We're recording... So we're recording it's Thursday, August 28th. And this is coming out, not Thursday, August 28th. Later. He comes out Labor Day, yeah.

But yeah, Jalen Wright, we just got surgery. I agree. I think Ollie Gordon is like a must add. Devon Achan is the type of running back where they're going to feed him a lot of opportunities, but he is not like a three-down, just pound him into the line. Like he needs a David Montgomery. Right. He's 100%.

And that's the exact type of running back. I think Ollie Gordon is. He's just a big physical downhill guy. He's the perfect compliment to Devon A-chan. And now he has a runway to be basically the 1B in this offense. We saw Rahim Moster a couple years ago. and A. Chan, both were top 10, whatever, they're top five running backs. I think they were like two and three.

Yeah. I'm not saying that the run game is going to be as good this year as it was that year, but I think there's a huge, huge opportunity here for Ollie Gordon to come in and like overshadow a lot of the other big-time rookies that we've been talking about in the preseason. So he was on my mind even before we started this, and so I'm piggybacking on that. Do you want me to go? Yeah.

This one is maybe like, really obvious, but Brees Hall is going to be a league winner. I actually believe this somewhat in my heart, and I'm not just doing this to counter all the, like, off-season narratives. Basically, I don't think any player in fantasy, any big name player in fantasy

has had a worse preseason than Bruce Hall, like, he's fallen. I would like to see the stats on terms of like ADP, how many, how much he's fallen. But we've seen in the past, a huge edge in fantasy can be to just completely fade preseason narratives.

and a lot of it is narrative-based. Everyone thinks Breeland Hall is going to be this big new thing. They put the jerseys on and everyone's like, oh, yeah, Jets, right. What? You said the preseason narratives, but it's like people watch the preseason games and photos come out and they're like, oh, yeah, wait, he's on the Jets. I hate the Jets. And the Jets have an awful history, of course.

But, I mean, that hasn't stopped us from liking Brees Hall in the past. Breeze Hall was injured last year. He still averaged 13 points per game. It wasn't like he was fucking terrible. No, stop. He was fucking terrible. He averaged 13 points per game. fucking terrible for the guy you picked second in the league.

Okay, he was a disappointing relative to where you got him. He wasn't a fucking disaster. I don't know. I think he actually, I think he might have been the single biggest disaster in fantasy. You took him second overall. So last year and that's painting, I think that's definitely painting our impression of him this year. Let's do

the last two seasons combined. Because obviously there was a reason he was the number two pick in fantasy. The last two seasons combined, because we were all high. No running back has more receiving yards than Braylon Allen. Only you mean pre-sons. God, that's a tough

That's a tough one. It's Ross Rachel saying the wrong name in the altar. Christ. Okay. No running back has more receiving halls, receiving halls, receiving yards than Hall last two seasons.

Only Alvin Camara has more targets and receptions than Brice in the last few seasons. Only Rashad White and Devon Aiton. I've scored more receiving touchdowns than Breece Hall in the last two seasons. I'm going to admit Braylin Hall, Braylin Allen. He's going to have a lot of carries in this offense.

but they're going to be the less valuable type. I think Breece Hall is going to get a ton of receptions. Last year, Justin Fields passed 22% of his passes to running backs, which was, let's see here, fifth among quarterbacks with 100 attempts last year. Justin Fields, like basically, what if Justin Fields is actually better for the Jets offense than Aaron Rogers was this year?

Aaron Rogers, I think, ruined the Jets run game last year. The way that he plays quarterback, the way that he changes everything at the line, the way that he is constantly manipulating the play call based on what he sees on the defense and all that. Checking a lot of runs to throws. Checking into short throws with that kind of thing. I think it really fucks with your run game.

So I'm just, I'm doing the exact same thing. I'm zagging when everybody is out on Breesall. I think fundamentally what you're doing is a Warren Buffett by the dip of this guy was a top five pick. And I agree. Most importantly, like big picture, I still think he's really good.

Like I know that you don't believe that in your core. I still think he's good. No, look, this is, this is what the essence of the take purchase. This is correct. This is something you deep down, maybe you don't even really believe, but it's bubbling up.

Yeah. Also, there's also what the take purchase for because now I'm just going to think of Braylin Allen as just Rachel. Just Ross on the, Christ, yeah,

that was his, who was the woman? Emily. You're in the church in England and the whole thing and Rachel walked in and he said, Rachel, yeah,

it's tough. That's kind of what he just did. But no, overall, to your point, DK, I actually originally felt this way,

like in early July, I thought it was going to be a big Breece Hall guy. because it's just the simple premise of he's going, he was a first round pick going 50th and that just, when does that happen for someone who isn't coming off an ACL or an injury or 30? And he's none of those things.

He's totally healthy, like it's just really rare. And also, Jets have an awesome offensive line. I think Justin Fields is going to augment their run game. Whereas Aaron Rogers made it worse. I think the way that Justin Fields can run is going to open up run lanes. Like you see with a lot of like the read option type quarterbacks, it holds a defender so it creates more space.

Lamar and Derek Henry, John Hertz and Saquan. The other thing I was going to say here, I'm trying to remember my point because I got derailed here. Breeze Hall. His name's Breeze Hall. Oh, I guess just the other thing is like there's a lot of assumptions being made with Braylon Allen where he's like this big dude who looks good in the preseason. But he did that last year too and then completely fucking faded.

I think we're doing the same thing with Braylea. I do like Braylon Allen. I'm not saying I don't. We're wishcasting Brail and out. He's still really young and really an experience. And I think that's a great example of, I think, like, a lot of the narrative has been like, he's 21 years old. Like, okay. Sometimes that's bad.

So is Kyle Pitts. There are interns wherever you work that are older than Raylan Allen. Like, sometimes that's bad. I just, I look at the Breece Hall narrative. And again, I don't think anyone's had a worse preseason than Breece Hall in terms of like the big names in fantasy football. And I'm just like, I feel like it's gone too far. I think this is true. I think this is good.

I agree. These are, like, really convincing. I'm surprised these are take-perch takes. I think these are just, like, really well-reased arguments. But they're things... You guys are souls on as corrupt as wine. It's like, I don't know if I even believe this. Yeah, my night.

You do, I do, but I don't. Do I actually think Miami's going to win like 11 games? Probably not. Right. But at night. Yeah, when you're staying up. I'm halfway. Speaking of which, I have something.

Like, you know what? All right, go. I have some stuff I get to get off my chest, guys. Okay. Are you guys ready? Are you guys ready? Yeah, hold on. I think Aaron Rogers is going to be awesome this year.

Obviously, I had that coming next. I think the Steelers are going to be really good. Oh, fuck yeah. I think. Fuck yeah. Me too, baby. Let's cook. Let's do it.

Aaron Rogers has a really weird, like a really underratedly weird thing going on of just this crazy full circle arc of Brett Farve's career where he's played exactly 15 years for the Packers. And goes the Jets. Yeah, like then goes to the Jets. Wanted to go to the Vikings. Yeah, Jets. And then now,

I kind of think the same thing's going to happen where Aaron Rogers is going to be like borderline story of the season how well he's playing. Like elite like with Mahomes or Josh Allen, but like well, like they're going to win a lot of games. And I think the Steelers is going to like make the AOC championship game. I'm erect right now.

I also think Aaron Rogers is going to throw like Dredfarb of back breaking interception in a game they should win and the Steelers will lose literally on the last play of the game being a Rogers interception and then he will retire. And like I, yeah. And then he'll steal money from some like thing.

I see McAfee over there. We're a comedy podcast and Pat McAfee because he said that. Very litigious bread is. Brett Farf. I know. What I wrote down was the Steelers and Rogers are going to work and no one in media will know how to handle it. No, one's going to know what to do. I don't know what to say.

This is how we handle it. Aaron Rogers is going to be play great because it's actually not Aaron Rogers. It's a crisis actor. Yeah. It's weird. No, I do think this is going to work. Mike Tomlin's not Robert Sala and the Steelers aren't the Jets. Yes. Okay, what I wanted to add to this is that I think we collectively undersell the fact that Rogers Taurus fucking Achilles at 39 years old, came back and wasn't that good on the fucking jets.

And everyone's like, cooked, wash, terrible, ruin the team, sucks. And I'm like- Yeah, pan to Sean Fennessee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Having to kill him. Kirk Cousins was fucking benched at 36 years old coming off of torn Achilles. To me, it's a miracle Rogers played all. 17 games and threw 28 touchdowns at 40 years old coming off a torn Achilles.

I think that's actually extremely impressive. Yeah, it's probably going to work. He'll figure it out. I don't know. A year after that, it's like we always do the year after the year after, and I get that he's old and all that stuff, but I'm like, the Steelers might have the best defense in the NFL. They have the most competent

coach in the NFL, unlike Robert Sala. I don't know, man. Like, the Steelers won 10 games with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields and no wide receivers. They won 10 games with Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph, and Mitch Trubisky, and they won nine games with rookie Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky. Yeah, I kind of just, I'm a little, I think they're going to do a lot of two, like,

multiple tight end stuff that's going to fix the running game. Look, I still have all my concerns about how it could go wrong. But I just kind of think, Rodgers is actually underrated now. He's fine. It'll be better. Like, the Steelers are not the Jets. The Steelers are not the Jet. They're going to be good.

They're going to make the playoffs. It's going to be funny. Yeah, I like all your arguments. I think they make sense logically. I think the only hole in this whole thing. that could be a fatal flaw is that he's 41 years old. Yeah, sure. But that's also like...

And like, maybe he just won't get back to being good. But that's why everyone agrees he can't do it. Like, Schill Capati, our co-worker here keeps saying that the only guy who's ever done the 40-year-old thing is Brady. And Farve. Okay, well, who's the best quarterback other than Tom Brady of this century? That's what I'm saying. What I want to say, Sheel's like, you know what? None of them are old enough to have done tried it yet.

You know, Brady? Like, I don't know. I agree. I actually think it's going to be fine. Can I give it related, any of the Rogers thought you want to perch you? I mean, you have a lot of Rogers-related stuff here. I don't know. I have thoughts about, like, that he doesn't want to get hit narrative and all that stuff.

I'm like, well, this is the moment. First of all, who does want to get hit? Okay. I mean, he had the ninth most. He wants to get hit, but quarterbacks will take hits. There's a difference. Sure. Okay, but I'm like, does any quarterback, like, over 34 want to get hit?

That's it. No, but, like, even Matt Stafford Lecher, like, they're taking hits to make throws. and I think the difference is Rogers is prioritizing not taking use. It was sack the ninth most times last year. And everyone's like, oh, the deep ball game, all this stuff. Yeah, his air yards per attempt was low. He was throwing short passes. But you know, it was above Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Jared Gough.

His time to throw was basically the same as Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield, Dak Prescott. I'm kind of just like, I'm sick of cherry-picking certain stats that Aaron Rogers has that a lot of other great quarterbacks have. I can't wait for Carlos to take a clip of Craig from like a month ago. being like, look at all these people just look at Rogers' stats. No.

Where are we right now? It's the take purse. It's the take birds. You're right. I don't know what, what, this is basically severance. I don't know what Audi Craig is saying. Speaking of which, I have another Steelers related thing. While we're talking about all professional credibility has been suspended

and you can't prove that I said this. George Pickens will be out of the NFL in two years. Oh my God. George Pickens is going to be on the Birmingham stallions in two seasons. Why? What happens? Because Mike Tomlin gave up on him. And literally, it is just a graveyard of players Mike Tomlin gave up on.

Literally, like, I mean, Antonio Brown went to Looney Tune Land after he left. Deonté John. Do you know what? Like, a third of the way into the season last year, Deonté Johnson was third in targets in the NFL. He has since been on four teams in 11 months and there will probably not be a fifth guy. Like, Levy on Bell became a boxer shortly after he left the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's like, Juju-Smiths-Schuster has not averaged 20 yards a game in the last two seasons. Chase Claypool is 27 years old.

Do you know what team Chase Claypool is on? Can either of you tell me? CFL? I don't think he's on a team. He's 27. I'm just saying, George Pickens, they decided not to pay him. Now, I know what you're thinking. I bet Jerry Jones did such a good job vetting George Pickens, right?

That's, come on, right? There's no way the Cowboys just kind of went on their draft grade and ref, and they totally did their due diligence, right? a hot take. This is like a normal take. I believe Bill said this like earlier. It's just like mean. Fine, but he's just going alongside James and Williams.

And meanwhile, like, I don't know. This isn't the mean person. All right, fine. Fuck me. All right, fine. Didn't realize that was such a soft take. It is very soft. It's a little soft.

I mean, saying George Pickens is a wild card. Okay, fine. And it might not work out. All right, fine. You want a hot take then? Yes. All right. Bill Belichick's going to fucking crush it,

U.S. they're going to be like maybe they're going to be with Clemson winning the like winning the ACC next season 2026. What is going to be the phrase that they trademark after this year after they win the national title? Think about that. Oh yeah. Digging for gold. On to Cincinnati. Yeah, I don't know.

But no, and also I think the Belichick thing's going to work. I really do. I'm like I'm serious about this. I have been just been rattling around my head for months. But again, is this a hot take? I'm saying UNC's going to win the... I'm saying college football playoff. Like, it's going to work.

Like, they're going to be seriously in contention... I seriously doubt it. For the national championship. This does feel hot enough to me. Who is talking about that? I'm just saying, everyone's just kind of joking about it, writing it off. And I look at the... Before you Google it, the odds for them to win the ACC,

what do you think they are? Not the college football chair. The ACC. Duke is 25 to 1. What do you think UNC is? You're saying this... For this year, what do you think the odds are? Are you making the bet that they're going to win this year or next year?

No, well, I'm saying I actually think they'll do it next year, but I'm saying this season, Duke is 25 to 1. And also, I'm assuming it's 40. It is 45 to 1. College football playoff? That's your. No, that's the ACC. That means they win the ACC.

No, no, no. I'm saying, what's your take? My take is this is going to work. But not this year. You're saying the odds are poor this year, but they're also not going to win the ACC this year. So what I think is going to happen is that I think we're going to look at this, and Bill Belichick's going to coach fucking circles around all these guys.

Like, we're going to get to week four and realize that Bill Belichick is the greatest game planner of our lifetime and our father's lifetime. ever in the end of, like we've seen in football, and he's going to be coaching against fucking Mario Cristobal. And if you talk to assistant college coaches, they all tell you, these head coaches in college, they don't know as much football as you think. They're recruiters.

They're hucksters. They would be in another life with fewer like breaks, like great car salesmen or something else. They're recruiters. They don't have to recruit anymore. That's what the money's for. We're in this in-between era where these guys with these jobs, like Bill Belichick's walking in.

When he demonstrates that Belichick is serious about this job this year, I think they have to be, like, recording, this is going to come out, I think Monday Labor Day. Their first game is tonight versus TCU, they might get rocked, I don't care. By the end of the season, I think it's going to be clear that Belichick's going to care. He's going to be, and once it's demonstrated to these kids, this is not a joke. He's actually taking this seriously. He's going to dominate the transfer portal. Once Jordan tells the students that this is for real, and this is not a joke.

But for real, I do think that the transfer portal is going to bend his way over the off season, and then they're going to have their pick of all these talented kids, and he's going to pick the work ethic and mental profiles of all these. talented kids. And this 2026 with a real team, I think they're going to be like a fucking like sub powerhouse. I think it's going to work, man. Is this that Bill Belichick, the best coach ever in football in two years? We got to stop with the in two years thing.

It's not two years. I said this seven out of ten. I think if you said they're going to win the ACC this year, that's a take. That's a hot take. I'm surprised. You realize once Bill Belichick gets a year of recruiting and they get two years under his belt, they'll be really good. I'm saying you're 45 to 1 this year,

and I'm saying I straight up think they're going to, like, be in the ACC title game. Here's the thing, you're saying this is lukewarm. When I tell this to people, they laugh at me. But you keep listing the odds this year, but you're talking about next year. What are the odds going to be next year? All right, fine, whatever.

They'll fucking win this year. I don't give a shit. I think it's going to work. Well, you know what I mean? Yeah, they're like eight out of 15 in the odds right now. But if they finish the season strong, and next year they're like a top three bet, is that a hot day?

No, but when I say win the ACC, I'm not saying, like, that's the stop. I'm saying when they win the ACC, you're in the college football playoff. I guess what I'm trying to say is they will be in the mix to win the national championship after the season. It's going to be like Georgia and Bama and Oregon and Ohio State and the UNC. We're going to get North Carolina versus Georgia in the college football playoff. Yeah, maybe I'm not being clear enough. When I say win the ACC means you get the fucking maybe you're going to be in the final four teams.

Like it's going to be a real game. Goes golfing with Tate once. This is what we get. Everyone else laughs at me, man. Tate's the only one who knows. I think this is hot enough. I do doubt. I don't want to hear this isn't a hot take.

I do doubt. I have some doubts and I'm cynical that he's going to be able to connect with college-aged people. He's connecting with one right now every night. Have you heard one person who... Fucking fair. That was really good. Have you heard one person who doesn't go to even see? Yeah, he's got that kind of energy.

Come on. Oh, God. Okay, well, I'll stop. I take it back. I want to stay in the college range. Please. I think like Liam Cohen is going to be coaching like UCLA next year. Oh, come on.

And Trevor Lawrence is going to be on the Saints. Yeah. I think that. Wait, how do you get on the Saints? He's just not going to be on the Saints. They're going to punt on him. Yeah. If you look at, so Liam Cohen brought nobody from Tampa Bay with him because he couldn't,

because he left up the last second. After Trent Ballke left, he was going to stay in Tampa Bay, then he went to Jacksonville. So he brought nobody with him. And he's just figuring us out. They spent a first round pick next year to get Travis Hunter this year. Right. Which I love Travis Hunter and they paid like he will play both ways, not like he could. Correct.

If you look at the, do you, D.K., can you tell me the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator of the Jags? Damn it, don't test me on this. I know it's a weird named guy on the Jags. You're talking about the O.C.? Yeah. Grant Udinsky? Yeah, that's what you did see. Grant Udinski is 29 years old.

Grant Udinsky. He's 29 years old. In fairness, I don't really need to know his name because it's Liam Cohn's offense. Their defensive coordinator, Anthony Campanil, has never called plays before. And Liam Cohen has five years of NFL coaching experience. I'm not talking about play calling. Five years in general of NFL coaching experience. And their GM is Dugie Hauser.

Then you collectively lack a lot of experience. Doogiehauser. Like the average age... For those listening who don't know, when we are at the Combine, I went to James Gladstone, the Jaguars GM's press conference, and I just thought it was a PR assistant. Like setting up the mic. setting up the microphone. And then he started talking and my jaw dropped.

Because I just assumed, well, he's 25. He's not, I can't wait to see the GM. So, yeah, I will say everything. Everything the Jags are doing if it doesn't work in like a year or two, we'll be like, well, that obviously wasn't going to work. Like, are we super confident in the Jacksonville ownership situation? Trevor Lawrence has been bad for five straight years. And they have a 29-year-old offensive coordinator,

a defensive coordinator who's never called plays, a head coach who has nobody with him from his staff in Tampa Bay. That was a super stable situation. You know, with a good offensive line. When you put it like that. I don't know. I think he's going to be a college coach again. He'll be getting Will Levis drafted again.

Can I add that then Trevor Lawrence shaves cuts his hair for once and then he becomes great somewhere else? Oh, that's good. When he cuts his hair, he's going to be awesome. Yeah. I think this is a good take. This is pretty good. I don't think to say it.

To be honest, I also haven't, I feel like I haven't heard that, like, hasn't been great Trevor Lawrence buzzed this off season? No. Like, man, he's figured it out. It's a whole different situation. Him and Liam and Liam Cohen are, like, firing on. I just haven't heard any of that. Right.

I don't know. It's a little disconcerting. It's a little quiet down there. It's pretty good. In Florida. It's pretty good. I think you want one or you want me to go or you got another one? I got one.

I thought of this this morning. Thanks. I think. Great. Debo Samuel is going to outscore Terry McLaren in fantasy. And I want to be clear, this is not Terry McLaren hate. This is more Debo Samuel is a great sleeper. So here's this.

Number one, he's not that fat. All right. He's not that fat. He's only, he's husky, and that's kind of been his thing for a long time. He's like basically a running back. He's not that fat. He's not that fat. He's not that fat.

He's not that fat. He might even be in pretty good shape. I haven't seen him lately. You know, training camp is hard. It's hot out there. They're running around. Maybe he's lost some weight. Trimmed up a bit.

Number two. Mike, Here's my argument. Here's my argument. Maybe. Maybe. Not that. Maybe he's trimmed up a bit.

Yeah. It's hot. It's hot of the East Coast right now. You're in Washington. But more importantly. More importantly. Oh yeah. Sorry, I've been on the ground.

I've been doing my reporting. It is hot in Washington, D.C. in August. I mean, it's on a swamp. Hifitz always says it. It is built on a swamp. That we're draining. Right. You're doing great.

I never would have known you came up with this today. No, but here's the deal. I do actually kind of feel this way because in this offense, It's going to be, I think, concentrated with McLaurin and Debo. There's not a lot of other competition right now. Who's their number three receiver right now? Craig, can you name him? Dude, Luke McCaffrey.

Luke McCaffrey. I was about to say, Ladd-McCoffrey. I don't even think he's, I think right now, Jalen Lane, the rookie is in front of Lab. Yeah, probably. McAfrey. So basically, it's going to be a concentrated offense. We're putting a lot on Bill Kroski merits shoulders in terms of, like, projecting what he can bring. Our first overall pick.

When they, when they traded away, Brian, Robinson. I can't remember who it was either Dan Quinn or maybe it was Cliff. He was basically saying, our offense is going to be a little unconventional, which to me is like, they're going to try and turn Debo back into the old Debo during his all pro season where he was essentially a wingback. He was playing receiver, playing running back. He's probably going to get a lot of goal line touches because of the way that he can stretch the offense horizontally. Think about that with Jade and Daniels at quarterback. I just am very excited to see how he's utilized. I think he's going to be, I think he's going to have way more touches and way more opportunities than we're expecting right now.

And he's going to have the opportunity to score a lot of touchdowns. It's a good call that losing, them trading Brian Robinson, a lot of people was like, oh, obviously Bill Kroski Merritt. It's a huge boon for him. But I do think we haven't talked enough about what that actually means for Debo Samuel, because they have Bill Merritt, the seventh rounder. And outside of that, they have like Chris Rodriguez and Austin Echler. Austin Echler also led the league in touchdowns over to your span with Anthony Lynn,

is the run game coordinator for Washington and Debo Samuel Moonlitz as a running back. and you even mentioned the Debo Samuel being fat thing started when he was out of shape entering a contract issue Debo Simmons in a contract year this year like he's playing for a contract and again he had pneumonia

last year and played a football game five days later most people get pneumonia can't walk up the fucking stairs for a few days Absolutely this is the ultimate by-low opportunity on Debo Yeah it's like oh wow his yards per game went cut in half after he got pneumonia Can't breathe fat so

You can't breathe when you have pneumonia Your lungs are all full of shit. You know I like this one, D.K. Okay. Yeah, that's good one. I have. I landed the plane. There you go. Good job. He's not that fat. I don't actually think he's fat. I think he's just built. Let's just

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Can I get another one off my chest? The top five fantasy quarterbacks Off the board Next year will be in order Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Jaden Daniels Jalen Hertz

Ooh don't tell me You're not gonna say Drake man Jackson Dart Okay sick that's awesome I'm so I'm dark Craig's like a Jackson Dart I'm a dart head

What's the dart Nick Mike What's the fan group He is indeed a Nick Damon No no what's the fan group Rippin for dart rippers Oh The dart Rippers DART ripper? Yeah, ripping darts.

Yeah, dart-riff-darts? I don't know. The lung darts? The dardiers? Oh, darty. It's a dardy. Like a day party. Yeah.

No, I think he's going to be good. He's going to be awesome. I'm so in. This one's great. I debated doing darty boys. I debated doing that the Giants are just going to make the playoffs this year. Oh, you want to go further? Okay.

Calm down. This is professional credibility is suspended, right? We're talking about intrusive thoughts. Yeah. Do you remember when Russell Wilson hit that 80-yard touchdown in the preseason versus the Bills? He hit that, and I was like, the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl. So is it going to be Russell Wilson or Dart? Both.

I think they're going to miss a match all the season. The whole season, like, they're going to go, what do you mean? Sometimes. It's a full-serie. This was how football was, like, in the 50s and 60s sometimes. It's like they actually would flip at half time. But I think we've lost the plot. No, but like, put it this way.

I know it sounds, and I know. It's a little irrational. He's like, men would cheat on their wives. Exactly. No, I think Russ plays eventually, but like, I don't know, because I think the Giants can be better than you think, but here's why. The deep giants, obviously the Giants beat the Patriots a couple times with a quarterback everyone else thinks is pretty mediocre and Eli Manning and a defensive line. And a defensive line is unbelievable. This Giants defensive line, honestly, is probably, I think, we've seen this movie before.

It's going to be better. Here's thing, this defensive line has a serious chance to be better than the defensive lines that beat the Patriots both times. The top four is probably better than any other top four in the league. Yes, but here's the thing. That one had, I mean, the edge rushers, the depth was crazy. It was like, Strayhand, and O.C. Mnior, and they had Justin Tucker on these guys. And, like, maybe the edge group isn't quite as good as those guys.

But you have Abdul Carter. Brian Burns, probably the best number two pass rusher in the NFL. Kavon Tibido, who's not the number one you wanted, but I'm pretty crazy. To be a rotational guy. And his whole thing is, he's really good at pressuring the quarterback, but he hasn't been able to finish sacks. But, like, he's been training this whole off season on like the actual art of, like, finishing out of the quarterback. So if he actually, that works, that's pretty crazy.

He was training in the art of finishing, Craig. You told me to power through. That's what Bill's doing in the U.S.C. I feel like... But I'm just saying the difference is Dexter Lawrence is like the best defensive line in the NFL. Like the Giants never had defensive tackle like Dexter Lawrence and all this.

It's almost like if those teams had like a level below a JJ Watt during that era. So my point being, if that's the case, the Giants just need to make the playoffs. Because here's the thing. The cornerbacks suck. The cornerbacks suck on most NFL teams. There were three, maybe four teams.

It's very hard to play corner. There are no... So here's the thing. Every team in the NFC... To give them some credit. Who in the NSC got better this year? The Lions are much worse. The Eagles are still great and clearly favorites, but they are worse.

Who got better? Dallas? How? With who? They got their quarterback back. Yeah, Pickings. Okay, so fun. They got Tyler Booker, DAC. Okay.

Sure. That's not a team I'm afraid of, frankly, in a Super Bowl caliber contender. I'm just saying, like, the lions are much worse. The Packers have no cornerbacks or pass rush at all. The Vikings have a rookie quarterback, and if that doesn't work out, like the guy behind J.G. McCarthy is Carson Wentz.

The Falcons got better? Sure, the Falcons, but that's my point. It's not insane. Packers? I don't know. They added a rookie golden. I'm like, they have no edge rush. They have no cornerbacks.

The Giants have no quarterbacks, but they have an awesome pass rush. My point is, if the Giants sneak into the fucking playoffs, even with the hardest schedule in the NFL on paper, are you going to be shocked? You can be shocked if the Giants are the great defensive line beat the Cowboys or the Falcons or the Packers? No, you'd only be shocked if they beat the Eagles. The Lions are a good example of like the Lions are awesome. That defense, you have 14 guys coming off injury.

They're not all healthy. That's 14 guys rehabbing injuries last year. Like, I'm just saying, only the Eagles and Lions to me qualify as shocking wins. Even the Buccaneers got worse. Like, I just, the Giants could make a run. And I'm watching it. And I'm like, you know what? The only shocking team in the NFC to be is the Eagles.

Otherwise, the Giants, I do think are going to be able to give a game to everyone else in the conference. I like this, Hyphitz. I do. It's a well-crafted take. I believe in dark. I'm afraid that he believes it. I have been. Me too.

I'm terrified. Yeah, the only thing that's tough about it, I guess that's like the schedule sucks. It's hard. That's unfortunate, which they got a shit draw with that, having the hard schedule of the league. I'll always be a football optimist because the Giants started 2007-O-and-2

and then beat the Patriots who went 18-0. So I'll always be like a football romantic. But I do look, generally, the NFC, every, all the good teams are trending down. The AFC is harder, like the Ravens, the Bills. All these teams are like kind of plateauing. I mean, like, Joe Burrow can't even make the playoffs in the UFC. That's how hard.

Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. So, but I just, again, great defense. And again, the offensive line, you kind of just need to have a needle to become a competent guard. But the O line, if the O line's solid, Malik neighbors is better than anyone those Giants teams had. It just, it's not great. It's not good. Camus Cadaboo. If the quarterback's good in electric, I mean, all the pieces, you have all the pieces that you need. You have like an electric playmaker and Malik neighbors, and you have the defensive line. I'm just saying, there, there are some parallels. It does remind me, I will admit, of the early days of the Russell Wilson era,

where Russell came in and electrified the offense and kind of made it more exciting. And, you know, they, at that time, and that was early on when sort of the read option was coming back into the NFL, but they adopted that, they embraced it. They built their offense around, like, Marchion Lynch and Russell Wilson

being able to do that and his deep ball. It wasn't like he was like a really, you know, he wasn't attacking all areas of the field and, like, dropping back and, you know, dicing up people. He was basically good at, like, a handful of things, and he did that really well. So, I don't know, there are some parallels to that.

And also, I really do believe Abdul Carter is going to be like a Michael Parsons level figure. Like, I think it's just going to be amazing really quickly. I hope the Giants are good. I think it'd be really, it's a great storyline. It's a great storyline. It's a root for his team. And again, the weakness of the Giants is cornerbacks on defense.

I can't tell you, go down the list of NFL teams, tell me who has good cornerbacks other than the Ravens, the Texans and the Cardinals. Like, even the Eagles fans are like, they think the cornerbacks after Quinnian and DeGene are their weakness. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, there's five teams at most that have a good secondary. Yeah.

Okay. All right, anything else? That was, I can't tell you long. I'm holding on. Let's go. Let's ask for some dartheads, like the Jackson Dart Club names. Yeah, okay. All right, should I go? Please. I've been thinking a lot about

kind of just like the I've seen enough idea, the year one test. And more and more now, I'm actually starting to believe that just like, if you sucked in year one, you're going to suck. And if you were good in year one, means you're good.

And like, that's kind of it. More often than I. I think all the quarterbacks who were bad last year are just bad. And I think all the quarterbacks who were good last year are good. And it's usually like the second you start playing, you kind of know if you're good or not. The second Justin Herbert played, we knew he was good. Jaden Daniels, we knew he was good. Mahomes, we knew he was good.

Brock Purdy, kind of the second he played, like, that guy's good. You know who wasn't good? Trevor Lawrence. Caleb Williams. He wasn't good. And I don't think he's going to be good. Trevor Lawrence, oh, he had Urban Meyer, Caleb Williams. there's a mess in Chicago.

I kind of don't care. It's not like Herbert walked into the perfect situation. Jade and Daniels didn't walk into a perfect situation. So more and more, like Anthony Richardson sucked. And you know what? He sucks. He was bad in year one? He's bad.

What happened to development? Justin Fields. He was bad in year one. He's bad. There is done. It's like you sink or swim. I like this. Yeah.

I'm like, if you were bad in year one, I actually don't care about the situation. Honestly, it sounds like a joke, but to your point, what happened to development? They used to develop quarterbacks, and now the art of the quarterback development's dead. So to your point, if you don't have time to

throw you in the pool and if you can't swim, then you're, I mean, you're done. Like, I see Jackson Dart. If Jackson Dart plays the first month of the season, he's good, I'm like, all right, he's good. So what do you say? The counter to that would be, no. The obvious one is Jared Gough, who was like the worst rookie quarterback of all time. The

other counter, the other counter, so that would be Baker Mayfield. Sam Darnold, Gino Smith. Are those, were those guys bad? I think more what I'm getting at is like, those guys are fine starters, but they are not guys. But also all those guys have a lot in common,

which is Gino almost is a different category because he's a backup for like eight years, and I almost think you need to put him separately, I think, because, but the other guys, Goff, Baker, I mean, they both went number one overall. Darnold is also like a top three pick. Gino's like a second rounder who sat for eight years and the Giants tried to play him.

The other guys are all, when they went to a situation with either, I mean, Sean McVeis is like the modern Bill Walsh, are all awesome offensive lines with pretty great skill talent. And I will say that to me is, because I feel like I've been the chief person of like organizations fail young quarterbacks before quarterbacks

but I don't even feel like that is in conflict with it because I'm what I'm saying is if the situation's right these guys can be better than you think but I also kind of see what you're saying where like none of those guys could have gone to Washington last year and been good I'm like yeah kind of like C.J. Shrad was just good

he walked into the shitty Texans it was good he had a bad play caller Bobby Sluck he was just good. Why was he bad last year then? Well, look, I mean, I believe that CJ Stroud is like a guy. I believe C.J. Stroud could win a Super Bowl. I don't think Stroud was bad. The offense was bad and Stroud was there. But through his point, we saw enough from Stroud that the idea that Stroud isn't good is

ridiculous to me. Like I saw Bownex last year, I'm like, Bo Nex is good. Caleb's not. And that's kind of how I feel. I think, well, anything I'll, I have a Bo Nex note. But this is a good point. I like this. All right. It's kind of the opposite of nature versus nerd. but not really. It's a little, it's a little spun off of that. But I just more than ever believe in the year one test, regardless of context. I'm just like, if I watch you when you're good versus if I watch you,

what about Josh Howard? Yeah, look, he's like the exception that proves the rule. Like, there are situations like that, especially with quarterbacks who run, like Josh Allen. Where are you at on Bryce Young? See, like, he's a good one. He was bad year one. And to be honest, like, I don't think Bryce Young is like the guy who can be a super quarterback.

He's like a franchise. I think he can be a starter in the league. Yeah, right. But I don't think he could be like a top eight guy. I don't. I don't even mind this. It sounds like the opposite of what I always say, but I actually think they could exist in conjunction

where it's like if you give up on these elite guys, they can still be like above average quarterbacks in the great situations with the right coaching and the right talent. But to your point, if you want an elite quarterback, you kind of see it immediately. And I do think that unless you're Josh Allen, who's the best physical, Josh Allen was Cam Newton again,

like without the college success. But Josh Allen was a Cam Newton build, which is you can't compare other people to that. So unless you're a kid, of Newton build, I agree. Like, eliteness kind of shows immediately, and competency can be achieved with a great, like, Baker, Goff, what they've, not, that's above competency. That's like, you can have a great offense if everything around them.

But really what we're saying with that is, those guys can be a reflection of their surrounding circumstances. And if the coordinators, the line, and skill groups are great, Baker, Goff, et cetera, can reflect that greatness. You rise to the level of your situation, those guys. And you're saying the people who rise above the situation, for the most part, rise immediately. I actually honestly I do think that's kind of been prepared out Trevor Lawrence will never win a Super Bowl

When he cuts his hair he's gonna he's gonna win a Super Bowl I'm gonna bet so much money when Trevor Lawrence cuts his hair Everyone is at me on every social media when Trevor Lawrence gets his hair I do want to mention Bo Nix because this talk about things that I just true take purges rattling around my head I think Bo Nix is going to be better than Drew Breeze Okay Are you gonna break all the records

Like I think like he's literally gonna have a better career He's like if Drew Brees could run And here's the thing. Everyone listening now, it's probably lost me. All the ghosts are screaming. They're like, this is a hot take. And I will say this. I love it.

I will say this. Whatever unlikely, obviously, however unlikely you think it is that Bo Nex could achieve what Drew Brees did, I think this is almost inarguable. Drew Brees achieving what Drew Brees did was at the time far more unlikely than Bo Nix doing it now. Because Drew Brees was the first pick of the second round and then basically had what many people thought was. a career ending injury to his throwing arm to the point where Nick Sabin and the Dolphins failed his medical. They wouldn't even sign him as a free agent, which is the single biggest sliding doors probably the 21st century in the NFL. So I'm just saying, Drew Brees going on and having the career he did is frankly one of the... It's up there with Kurt Warner.

It's one of the least likely career things that's happening the entire 21st century after the injury had. He was failed by a medical team and free agency. So with that said, when I watch Bo Nix, I'm like, if we pretend that Bo Nix has... had Caleb Williams High. If I just pretend, we do the Freaky Friday thing. If I just pretend if I just pretend that I thought Bo Nix was going to be great the whole time, I'm like, huh,

Broncos have a top 5-0 line, top-five coach who's been doing this forever and still understands how to win in the NFL. I'm like, I kind of think Bo Nix is going to do this for like 15 years except he can run. And I don't think it's going to stop. Okay. This is absolutely

absurd, but sure. Drew Brees is second. all-time in passing yards. Yeah, he's going to pass them. He has a Super Bowl title. Yeah, he's going to get two. This is just stupid. Okay, but here's my...

He's becoming the all-time leading pass from 2006 was preposterous. Bo Nix's his top 15 pick in the draft. Drew Breeze is what, second round? Here's my take. J.J. McCarthy's going to outscore Bo Nix this year in fantasy. Yeah, that's...

I mean, I've just got a gut feeling about J.J. McCarthy. I don't know what it is. I just think in this offense with Kevin O'Connell, who over the years he's had a very, like, in...

I think the assumption is, and I've kind of talked about this, too, and so I'm, like, probably guilty of this, too, but I think the assumption is they're going to be, like, really run heavy. They're going to take everything off of the quarterback's shoulders and just try and run and be balanced and all that. But if you go back over the years, Cameron McConnell's offenses have been really, in terms of past rate over expectation, they've been past happy. And they certainly have the weapons to do that, the scheme to do that. I think that just the, you know, we saw what what Sam Donald did last year in this offense. I think J.J. McCarthy has the physical. tools to be really pretty good. And I also think he runs a lot. He will run more than you think, too. He's a scrambler. We did get an email that's like, why aren't we worried about his season-ending knee injury? And I don't know what you think, I don't want to speak for you.

My answer was like, well, it happened in August. And I'm like, mobility is relative. And I'm like, Bo Nix is, I mean, McCarthy is not Lamar Jackson, but it's faster than like Michael Benix. Yeah, I think it's certainly something to like keep in mind. But like you said, it happened in the preseason last year. So he's very removed from injury. And I just think overall, the.

offensive system and the environment that he is being dropped into now he's named a captain obviously like his teammates respect him and all that stuff i don't know like what the mechanics and pa will they rig it sure but i think i don't know i don't i don't actually have like a real real reason for this it's just like my gut is he's going to be really sharp in this offense and is going to fucking put up big numbers yeah the kevin o'connell thing if j j jay mccarthy's immediately good Kevin O'Connell I'm it's kind of like I don't know what else he needs to do you know what I mean right like him obviously was you know

had Kirk Cousins but then doing the Josh Dobbs thing and then getting Sam Josh Josh Josh he does J.J. McCarthy I mean he truly becomes like a real kickmaker as a as a and they also just traded for Thielen the other day by the way which we haven't really discussed they've got Adam Thielen obviously Justin Jefferson is a one of the best number one receivers big time playmaker big play creator touchdown creator Hawkinson, Addison after three weeks. I think Addison is going to have a very good season.

I'm also very high on Addison. And I just think the scheme is just like such a difference maker, such a force multiplier for them. I don't know. I just got a good feeling about it. It's funny because my gut feeling the entire offseason has been the opposite of that. I am kind of soft avoiding all Vikings because I'm just like,

they're all being priced as though the quarterback's going to be great. I'm like knocking Justin Jefferson a little bit. I'm just kind of knocking everybody a little bit. Vikings and Bucks are very similar to me where last year we were like how are the Vikings going to do with Darnold how are the Bucks going to do with Baker but a new coordinator and both those situations Baker did fine with Liam Cohen and the Vikings did find Donald so now a year later there's a new quarterback this new coordinator and we're like well last year is fine so I mean why even ask the question and I agree I actually have last year I did this and I had a list

of players that ever people that everyone likes now that we're going to be like a little sourd on and I actually think Kevin O'Connell's on my list of guys were at universal approval right now. And a year from now is going to get milkshake ducked. People are going to be like McCarthy, huh?

We're going to be like they should have kept Arnold. Yeah. The other guy that I have on that list of just people that everyone knows right now and by the end of the season we're going to be like, not me,

but some people are going to be like, I don't know. Dan Campbell, Universal approval at this moment in time and I'm flagging it because that's good. When they struggle, it's going to be like, well, it's probably because Ben Johnson was good.

Bill has a great take that he's like, you can't think the lions are going to be good and the bears are going to be good. You have to pick one. You have to either believe in Ben Johnson or you have to believe in Dan Campbell. The truth and the cold, hard reality of the NFL

is, the Lions are my most favorite team I think I've ever read it for it. The last two years of the Lions, other than the Giants. The most fun team by far. Never had more fun. The bills are high up there, but these lions are so much fun. They missed their window, and they know it because David Montgomery, who's, again, the heart and soul of that team,

David Montgomery said, he literally was like, this is our reckoning year. Like, this is our, like, he basically, he didn't say last chance, but he was like, this is our chance. Like we all, like, you don't want to be the team that gets happy being close enough. Like, none of us are happy that we get, we don't have to repeat, but between all the coaches they lost, the players they lost, the injuries. It is just unfortunate that most championships and most sports are, for better or for worse, dictated by the best team that stayed healthy and that just wasn't Detroit the last couple years.

Also, and they missed their window, and it's going to be different. And then the culture of Dan Campbell built, it's going to be tested, man. I think, yeah, the thing that I'm thinking about the whole time with regards to, like, the lions and this era of that. their team is, it does take a little bit of luck to become a dynasty, right? Like, you have to have the ball bounce the right way in big games and all that stuff. Like, I would say almost every single champion in sports has to have an element of one. Exactly. And they've just got, man, they've had been so fucking unlucky with multiple different things. Obviously, the injuries last year was horrible for them.

And they just couldn't outlast it, essentially. And so I'm not that I'm calling them a dynasty, but like they're the type of team where it's like, you know, front office, coaches and play callers and everything kind of was aligned and talent. They're the type of team that could have become a dynasty if things had kind of gone right for them. But it was just like, it's so hard to keep that together.

And here's why I think it's going to rear its head this year. The simplest way, and this is other sports too, but particularly in football, the story of teams rising and falling, why teams fall off is just injuries and drafts. And the teams that rise hit a bunch of drafts in a row. And the draft doesn't affect you really, unless you've great rookies that year.

A bad draft affects you beginning the year after. And so the lines are doing great when you take Aidan Hutchinson and Jameson Williams and Kirby Joseph and they hit all those picks, Penae-Soole, like Al-A McNeil, Amon Ross St. Brown, like they hit all these picks. And then like the draft we made fun of them for is Jemir Gibbs, Jack Campbell, Sam LaPorteur, Brian Branch, like they hit all these picks. Is this real? Is this real?

What? Adam Schaefter reports the Cowboys are trading Micah Parsons to the Packers? Wait. Is this a take page? He tweeted Cowboys are trading three-time pop up Micah Packers to the Green Bay Packers. Oh, my God. Is this real? Is this really Schefter?

Hold on. This is Schefter. Wait, all right. I'm going to read this. 11.5 million followers. Micah Packers. Cowboys are trading three-time all-pro linebacker, Micah Packers.

Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers. Parsons and the Packers have already have reached agreement on a four-year $188 million contract. David Mullugeta of Athletes first had a hand in the trade ultimately negotiating. The record-breaking contract includes 120 million fully guaranteed

that signing makes Parsons the highest bid non-quarterback I think we'll find out with the compensation years in a moment. This is Reggie White again. This is Reggie White. When Free Agency was first started, the Packers signed Reggie White. The Packers never do this.

The Packers never trade a bunch of first for a player, and it's because my immediate reaction to this is the difference between Michael Parsons and Miles Garrett making $40 million a year is Michael Parsons is 25. Yeah. And Miles Garrett's 30 with foot injuries, his entire life. I don't know. Two first rounders.

We were literally just talking about this, before the show, like what it would take to trade for Michael Parsons? We would, yeah, Jeff Chow. Two is a lock. So here's my, here's my answer to this. Like, how much money you pay people, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's, I think Bill James, the guy who really is the father of saber metrics and math in sports at some point was at the idea of you quantify what players are worth and everything

and, you know, how do you recreate them in the aggregate? And, you know, Jason Jombie leaves the A's. Can you recreate him in the aggregate with a platoon? And Bill James was like, here's the problem is some people follow that logic to the end. and like, you know, it was a famous trade with like, they traded Ricky Henderson. And Bill James said this thing where he was like, the mistake people make is the entire point

of running a sports franchise is to acquire a player like Ricky Henderson. And my reaction to this is... This is what the money... It's good to pay your good players a lot of money. Like, that's a good thing. Like, Michael Parsley... That's what the fucking cap is for, to play good players. Like, Michael Parsons, to me...

What are we doing? I actually think... The relationship must have soured to the point where there was like no coming back. Let's start with Dallas at this because I, wow, okay. Are we doing this during the take first? We have. Yeah, this is a Mike DePerson show now.

I thought this was a take purge for a second. I was like, are we getting prank? The media reaction is I don't think that, well, here's the thing. What are the chances that the, I also think the Packers are like Super Bowl contenders now because they don't pass rush. Oh, yeah. Dallas? Why did they trade them to, they trade them to a team in the NFC too?

So I have a lot of thoughts here. In our conference. I have many thoughts, but I want to start with D.K. my immediate reaction of this is the Cowboys lose if you get two first round but we'll see the competition if they got two first round picks

from Green Bay that's going to be the first round 20th and the 28th pick do you like what do you how do you feel about that I feel like Cowboys lost in Packers won oh yeah this is a white flag

we're surrendering how many first round picks would they need to have acquired where you would say the Cowboys won five three and you can talk about it but like the odds that you hit three first round

but Michael Parsons is like as good of a Rushers, there's the NFL, but the point is, who are the other ones? Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, 30, 30. Michael Parsons is 26. He just turned 26. This is wild. Well, he even, I don't even know if he'll be 30 when his contract ends. So, I really, this is Reggie White all over again.

The Packers just really needed one more first round defensive player to really just get them over the top here. This is Jerry Jones's. Well, I will say, this is, so there's, no, Jerry Jones, this is a moment I would like to remind everyone. All-time fucking bag. Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden. This is where I would like to remind everyone Jerry Jones is old than Joe Biden.

And I've been saying a lot that this isn't a real thing, that the Cowboys are going to get this deal done the Thursday of the season and it's all commercial. And I still kind of think that's probably what they intended. But I think they may have soured the relationship so much. I'm curious what comes out. But do you think that the Cowboys actually didn't want to do it? Or do you think Michael Parsons was like, fuck this.

I want to play somewhere else. Green Bay was rumored. It was rumored the last day or two. Yes. This has been like, yeah, leaked or whatever. There's been random-ass accounts on Twitter talking about it. But, like, I don't know. This is very strange.

It feels to me like... So the background is the Cowboys or Jerry Jones tried to... Essentially, he was like saying he negotiated, like, directly with Micah Parsons. And they had a handshake deal. And it's like, I'm an oil, man. And therefore, that deals is good. He looked me in the eyes. Yeah.

Like, come on. And then... Obviously, so my guess, my first thought is the agent for Michael Parsons was like, fuck this team forever. You can't underrate the personal aspect of the agents and the teams hating each other because what Jerry specifically was doing was trying to cut David Muliggetta out. And David Mulligetta runs athletes first and is frankly probably at this point surpassed Drew Rosenhaus as like the biggest. I mean, certainly now. Surpassed Drew Rosenhaus is the most powerful agent in the NFL. And Jerry Jones, the most powerful owner in the NFL, is basically like, you don't exist.

I mean, David will, I mean, honestly, that personal element itself, David Milgetta on Athletes First versus Jerry Jones is also probably a huge issue here of how this happened. The Packers are runaway winners. We'll see exactly what the compensation is. Do we know really yet? No. If it's two firsts, the Green Bay. Well, in the tweet it said that netted them two first rounders. So maybe there's swaps and stuff.

So the actual money. I don't know what that means yet. So the money that comes out, I always end up be, I'm a. always the number one person was like, oh, the money ends up being fake. But for the most part, they're saying $47 million a year. It's probably more, it's probably not quite that, but like he's clearly the highest paid non-quarterback. So T.J. Watts is 41. Jermard Chase is at 40.

Miles Garrett's at 40. Daniel Hunter's at like 35. Too late firsts is all you get. Disastrous. That right there. Desa-pherson. DeNeil Hunter, who's on the Texans, makes $35 million a year. Like, also, Daniel Hunter's like $29?

Michael Carson's going to make $45? Who do you want to pay? Do you want to give Michael Parsons 45? Max Crosby. The number does not exist. The limit does not exist. Max Crosby makes 35. I love Max Crosby, but isn't he also like 30 years old?

He's really 29, yeah. You don't acquire. These people don't become available. Yeah. Because the concept, it wouldn't occur to most teams to like let someone like Michael Parsons go. The other thing here, D.K., I'm curious what you think. Jerry, this I actually think has a chance to the Cowboys fan base is so big, but this is frankly probably the biggest test

Jerry's ever had with the fan base because these fan bases are like the Cowboys fan base is like borderline religious and this is like real heretical I'm just yeah I'm trying to think of ways in which the Cowboys will end up looking right and it's it has a it's only basically

Live cake purge right now you're pro Cowboys This is a great trade great deal great trade for Dallas Kimbley got rid of that locker room cancer Michael Parsons this feels like the Lucas thing.

Like 100% right. Dallas in one year has lost Luca and Luca Donchich and Micah Parsons. Wow, that's such a good call. Luca and Micah Parsons in one year. It's like, did they call anyone else?

What I was going to say? I'm surprised some teams also, can we take one moment? Atlanta Falcons traded a future first to move up 20 spots and get who James Pierce,

Jr.? Dude, you could have two first, you could have got Micah Parsons. That's why you saved that. That's why you keep your power. The last team that the Cowboys lost to in the playoffs, Green Bay Packers.

Oh, well, that's the other thing is the- -2020-3 they got shit on by the Green Bay. The reason Mike McCarthy is coaching the Cowboys, so it was coaching the Cowboys, is because him and Aaron Rogers kept being the Cowboys in the playoffs. Packard, dude, this is, this is, this is also like a, there's like a, what I can't think,

anthology, anthology, a fucking lesson here of, you know who doesn't have an owner? The Green Bay Packers. Ed Policy. And Brian Goonkins. Ed policy was on the horn making the deal happen. Ed policy.

I don't know. Look, the only team that's ever pulled off a quarterback transition, like no team can do a quarterback transition. The backers have done it twice. They went from Rogers to Farreve to Rogers. Rogers to Jordan Love. And they're pulling deals like this. And then you have a team like Jerry Jones.

I don't know. The only way this makes any sense is if he has like arthritic knees or something. Like this is so ridiculous. Two, I can't get over how unbelievably cosmically stupid two first round picks from the Green Bay Packers who are... Maybe it's more than that. This very well might be like the 30 second pick in the first round. So where is this...

I think Bill, if he were here with us, I would be like, where is this rank in all-time, like, tough years for a sports city? Because Dallas, it's like, you don't really feel bad for Dallas a lot, but, dude, losing Luca and Micah, I mean, that's the best... I mean, young NBA player, one of them, and probably the best young defender in the NFL in a year.

in a year. It's the same year. And Dallas was given a gift with the first overall pick in the draft when they got Cooper Flag. Will that happen? Maybe they'll be the worst. They get the first overall pick

and get, I don't even know. Caleb Downs? I don't know. Dude, Jerry fucked this up. That's crazy. This is wild. I'm still like processing this.

Also, again, can I revisit the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Let you know the Packers can win the Super Bowl. Mikea release his statement. Did you want to read the statement? Do you want to read the statement?

Do you want to read the statement? Yeah, please. The whole thing? Yeah, yeah, we're here. Growing up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, I was one of the few kids in my neighborhood who cheered for the Dallas Cowboys. Nearly everyone around support of the Eagles,

but I always believed in a star. To wear the blue and white at Penn State and then carry the same colors into the NFL as a cowboy, it was more than a dream, it was destiny. From the moment I arrived in Dallas, you embraced me and my family as your own. You made a kid from the East Coast, feel right at home at Texas.

Every time I pulled up to work, every time I stepped into the field, I felt the weight and pride of representing you. You didn't just give me a jersey, you gave me a place to belong. I never wanted this chapter to end, but not everything was in my control. My heart has always been here and it still is.

Through it all, I never made any demands. I never asked for anything more than fairness. I only asked that the person I trust to negotiate my contract be part of the process. This is a sad day, but not a bitter one. I'll never forget the joy of draft night, the adrenaline of running out of the tunnel. dude this guy did not want to leave

I can't stress enough how much how many players to take their agent's advice don't show up don't practice don't do stuff I only ask that the person I trust and negotiate my contract be part of the process Jerry they fucked this up

there's multiple levels to it there are guys who want a new contract and then like won't play then and they're like like a Roshan Slater who's like I'm going to respectfully hold out and like you know what that's why you do it you might get hurt being on the field

then there are guys who bitch and scream and like you know want trades and all this stuff. Micah Parsons basically said I respect guys to do that, but I'm not going to do anything that. We're trying to win a Super Bowl. I'm going to show up and be here every day, and he was just part of the team. And Jerry literally basically like, belittled and bullied and basically made Michael Parsons regret so much

being a good soldier that he pushed him all the way by refusing to talk to his agent, that his agent basically seems like pulled the power and he was like, fuck this. I'm surprised that they went ahead with the trade. Remember like a week ago or two weeks ago and Jerry Jones was like, don't lose sleep over this. That's the other thing that's interesting is that, like,

it's August 28th. You tell me that what, Green Bay gave him a deadline? Like Green Bay is going to change their mind in this? You couldn't have called more people. Like, the Rams have two first-run picks next year. Like, you know, like, couldn't you see if the Rams would give you three? I'm so curious about the calls. They should have physically restrained Jerry Jones.

What's Brian Schotenheimer thinking right now? Dude, my fucking... That motherfucker's got impressed. Nico Harrison's name is trending. L.O. You think Nico did this? No, I was just like, man, Dallas. So you think the Cowboys can get the first pick?

You get Arch Manning? Oh my God, yeah. Carlos says week four is Packers Cowboys. Oh. We're in Dublin. We're in Dublin. We think. Well, honestly, we can do the show during the game.

Wow. Oh, my God. So the Packers' defense is going to be fun as hell. Well, the Packers defense now is like every other defense with the terrible cornerbacks, but now they have Michael Parsons. He's a force multiplier, though. Like, he makes everyone around them better. You know what I mean?

So, Roshan Gary's now a great number two pass rusher. Like, Lucas Van Ness can go back to not being a starter. Would you like, yeah. This episode is brought to you by Yahoo Fantasy. Fantasy is the best place to play fantasy football. Hurry, the season starts September 4th. Want more ways to play? Try the new Yahoo Fantasy Guadeteen League mode where the lowest scoring team gets eliminated weekly. Want to play instantly with friends?

Try the new draft with friends mode. Prefer the classics? Play in private head-to-head leagues or join a public league. The season is almost here. So draft now at Yahoo Fantasy.com slash the ringer. Any other thoughts on this off the jump? I mean, I think I will say, let's just real quick. I want to just look at Super Bowl odds.

I feel like we can't go back to just like some random take person. I know. I'm like, how am I following this show? My purge, they're going to trade Micah Parsons. So here's the thing. I want to let you guys know. Stop me when you think that, so the Packers have already shot up in Super Bowl odds. So the Ravens are now 7 to 1.

The Eagles are basically 7 to 1. The Bills are 7 to 1. Chiefs are 8 to 1. Lions are 12 to 1. Packers are tied with the Lions at 12 to 1. ahead of the Niners of 19, Washington at 19, Rams are at 20, Broncos are at 22. I mean, honestly, I think Packers are better team than the Lions.

I think Ravens, Eagles, Bill, Chiefs. I mean, it sounds like, Packers, you have to prove it. Like, because Jordan Love is not Lamar, like, you know, he's not the Eagles offense with Hertz. It's not Josh Allen. I mean, Lamar never been to a Super Bowl. Jordan Love's gotten just as close as Lamar has, almost beat the Niners in the NFC championship.

All right, Mr. Lamar should have been MVP last year. Completely different arguments. That's a regular season award, and I believe that. All right. I'm just saying he hasn't been to the Super Bowl either. Man, Mike, so again. So hold on. Adam Schaefter says trade package includes two first-arm picks

and a frontline player, whatever that means. Kenny Clark. Oh, Kenney. First of all, oldest player on the Packers. It's like an old defensive tackle. He's 29. He's 29. But the Packers are the youngest team in the NFL.

Kenning Clark was the oldest player they had. They got rid of a 29-year-old defensive tackle. I think the Cowboys are probably sitting here like we can't stop the run. If I can try to be shared, to Dallas for one second. One, this is probably a terrible idea. I will say, there is something to be said of

Dallas's defense last year was horrific. They couldn't stop the run. They have no cornerbacks, but the difference is you're paying a ton of money to Micah to lock in having a pretty bad defense. Like, they were bad defense, so they paid a ton of money. Having an elite pass rusher is good. I'm just trying to understand.

It's a good thing. Make the case. How about this? Don't trade him. and just do something else to make your defense better. I'm not saying it's smart. I'm trying to understand when they're at the table talking about doing this. They're getting,

they turn to Will McLeigh, who is the guy who's in charge of their football strategy. He's their big scout. He's the, Will McLeigh is the reason that the Cowboys actually draft really well. Like the Cowboys drafted Zach Martin and Tyrone Smith and Travis Frederick. I think Tyler Booker's going to be great. The Cowboys are drafted well.

Will McLean is the guy. And I'm trying to understand. Yeah, they drafted Mossie Smith like a couple years ago. Yeah, that's the thing. Does the fucking draft as a crapshoot. You cannot depend on that. And that's the thing. They kind of probably told themselves

what we met. Mazi Smith has been a disaster. Even then they're like, well, they told him to gain 15 pounds, then lose. They kind of screwed him over. But you're right. He's terrible.

So they're out in Kenny Clark probably for, this is insane. They probably said we want three first round picks and the Packers were like, we'll give you two in Kenny Clark. And then he'll be like, Jerry, Kenny Clark was a first round pick,

so it's really the same thing. And he's already guaranteed that he's good. And Jerry's like, yeah, you're right. So is this where I get to my take purge that I did last year I'm going to do again now, which is Jerry Jones's kid

should kill Jerry Jones. That's a good. Let's get back into the purge there. That's good. Wow. I can't, I can't. Two late round first is just unforgiving. That's the other thing.

If the Packers, like, how bad do these picks have to be where it's worth it? Like if the Packers got two top five picks, they're like, oh, it's pretty good deal. But these are going to be. They will be in the 20s. And they fit. If the Packers make the divisional round, they could be in the 30s. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if the Packers make, even just the divisional round.

round. Even if the Packers don't make the NFC championship game. It's like pick 26, 27. That's brutal. I mean, who is the I mean... The Packers the least amount of games they've won in a year since 2019 is 18. I would say you need a good... I love that the Packers kick the shit

out of the Cowboys the last time the Cowboys won the playoffs and how they got Michael Parsons? Look at the guys. You always say need a few years to judge a graft. I'm just randomly pulling up 2022. The 25th pick was Tyler Lindervom to the Ravens. He's great. Germain Johnson went to the Jets. Devin Lloyd to the Jaguart, Devon to the Packers. Cole Strange was the 29th pick to the Patriots.

George Carl Loftus Dex-Hale-Lewis seen. It's like, man. Dude, the late first is... It's a crapshoot. It is a crapshoot. It is a crapshoot. The bills just had Dalton Kincaid and Kyrie Elam as late round picks. These guys don't have barely played for this.

Late first. Yeah. This is pretty horrific. I mean, this is... Dallas is really... That's one of the worst stretches I can remember for two teams. I mean, these are the two most popular players in the city. I can't believe this.

Kenny Clark's a funny Is there anything else? I mean, Packers are 12 to 1 Where the Cowboys Super Bowl odds have fallen to 60 to 1 60 to 1 In other news, this is good for their offense Do you still think the Giants are 200 to 1?

You don't think that's a good bet? Yeah, do it now. Would you rather do Cowboys? Oh, I did it when it was 400 to 1. I did it in this table, actually I bet them $10 at 500 to 1. At this table? At the Super Bowl last year.

Like when we came back for real life in the Super Bowl, I bet the Giants like 450 to 1. Anyway, any other thoughts on this DK before we get out of here? I think we've talked. Yeah, we've gotten our thoughts on it. So do you, would you, good move? Who do you think won the trade? Hot take.

Really bad look. Kenny Clark's going to go nuts this year. Hell yeah. He's going to be so good on first and second down. I'm trying to think what we missed if he's unhealthy. Do you think Jerry Jones is like dying? Well, we're all dying, really. Yeah.

No, I bet you, I bet you, Jerry, it was. like a fucking dick measuring contest and Jerry was like, oh, you're going to tell me that I did it? I'm an oil man. That I negotiated him properly? See you later. Honestly, it's probably that. I really bet when you wrap all the layers of the onion out, the center of it's just like,

fuck you, fuck you. There was probably one screaming match of a call and Jerry Jones is like, fuck you, David Mulligetta. Yep. See you later. Go wherever you want. Super emotional. Oh my God. I'm literally going to come back in. All right, we decided to just publish it. Oh! Yes, Bill!

Yes! I'll share it in these blanks. Fuck you out. All right, Bill. What's worse? Luca or this? Wait, we're still recording, right? I was...

Everything's recording? Yeah. All right. Great. I was focused on the paths for this. Oh. But I thought it was going to be the... The Packers were rumors.

They needed it the most. Is that what you guys said? Yeah. I picked them for the Super Bowl on part two in my pod that just went up. No one's going to believe that that was before. Buffalo versus Green Bay was my Super Bowl saying. You saw what the Cowboys got in return.

right? Just two first. Two first and Kenny Clark. Who's the oldest player on the backers? He's 29. How did the Patriots on top that? How did the Seahawks on top that? That's what I asked. Should I talk into them? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That's what I asked. Did they not call anyone else? So who do you think they called? I think the Packers are smart enough to call them. I think that this really does. Well, they started like badgering them to do it, right? Yes. This is shocking.

These two first round picks are going to be, The 25th pick to the 30th pick. Coltrane. Coach was the 29th pick. Well, so... Danny, did you do the Jamal Adams conversation part of this yet? Because you did this.

Yeah, I mean, this is essentially what the Seahawks gave up for Jamal Adams. That was awful. I think they gave up more than that, too. It's a box safety. It's like a two first and a third or something like that.

This is the best pass rusher in the NFL. The thing I said, my immediate reaction is, was this is Reggie White all over again because a player of this caliber at this age should not be available. And he's like... seven of these in the league. He's putting

quarterback. All of them are 30. Like the other guys making this money. Miles Garrett's making this money. Just signed. He's 30 with a history of foot issues. T.J. Watt is 30. Like, Max Crosby is 29. 30. Like, all these... Michael Parsons just turned 26. Yeah, but I'm saying there's seven of these, meaning

all positions. Yeah. Like, if we're doing NBA trade value, like, for NFL, there's no way he's not one of the seven blue chippers you would want in the league, including quarterback. So how is it not three first? It's shocking.

I think it's because they wanted, I think it's because David Mullugeta wanted 46, 47 million a year. Why are you not trading Michael Parsons to a bad team so that these first round picks are top five, top seven picks? I think the bad teams probably don't want. The answer has... The Packers are now six in Super Bowl odds. Like this team was in the NFC championship two years ago.

The thing I'm surprised about... These picks are going to be in the late 20s, early 30s. It could literally be the 32nd pick in the draft. I keep wondering about the Rams who have two first next year. And I'm like, you couldn't call the Rams? could try to get two first and the first in the 26th. Now, maybe no one wanted to do it and they called everyone. No way.

What we were saying right before you came in, Bill, was part of me is like, everyone just got super emotional. And Jerry Jones tried to cut out David Mulleta. And David Mullegade, this is like his little, like, he's the biggest agent in the NFL now. Like, like, he surpassed Rosenhouse. He did the Deshawn Watson trade. Like, and Jerry Jones tried to cut out the biggest agent in the NFL. And then Cowboys got burned. And this is going to be Jerry's legacy now.

So if they had done this with the Patriots, you could talk yourself into maybe that I'll be like, the 14th pick in the draft. And then maybe they'll have some injuries. Like the Packers are just going to be good. They were going to be good without. This is who you didn't want first round picks from. No. It makes no sense.

But if I'm a bad, like, basically you would have wanted to do your version of the Travis Underdeal where Cleveland's like, this is great. We have Jacksonville's first next year. They're going to suck. Exactly. That's a team that should have traded for him, Jacksonville or something like that. And then you get two or maybe even three first round picks from a team that could actually give you top 10 picks?

Bill, where does this rank in just Dallas? Calendar year. Worst, you know, Dallas didn't lose a team or anything. But Dallas is year starting with losing Luca Donchich and more or less starting to fall. I didn't think about that part. They lost Luca Donchitz and Micah Parsons in the same year. What's a more unforgivable move? Luca or this?

Luca. Because this was clearly they just felt like he was worth a certain number and they weren't going to go over it. But I just think I need to get at least two first. I probably need a second. Maybe it's two years later. And I need some sort of. Kenny Clark Kenny Clark

Like really? I thought Rishon Gary was like a lot to be in this But maybe they couldn't have made it work with the cap Yeah I was just gonna say I think the Kenny Clark bit Like the Kenny Clark Addition to this trade just makes it

It just puts it over the top I don't understand that all It's like a run stopping I mean I know he's a good player But you know you're an interior defensive lineman Who's not going to be like a top tier pass rusher Who's older? Bill is now a good time to mention

that Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden This is the old ultimate going out on bottom. Yeah, you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. The ultimate lesson of this is there's two pieces of life where if somebody gets old and crazy, you're kind of helpless. One is if they were the president of the United States, for example. The other is if they owned one of your favorite teams and they don't sell the team

and they do shit like this and there's no outs. I'm sure every cowboy fan is like, cool, we just traded the number one blue chip pass rush you would want at the right age, and we're going to get like the 30th pick and the 29th pick in the draft. Yeah. So you could save money. And meanwhile, your team just got announced

that it was $12 billion. Like, this is like an irrational, crazy old guy move. It's Jamar Chase for defense, but even then it is easier to replace a Jamar Chase in offense than replacing Michael Parsons on defense, probably. Yeah, I mean, you would have to talk yourself into,

if you're going to get first round picks from Michael Parsons, you have to convince yourself that you could try to get another Michael Parsons with those picks, which in the, the late 20s is extremely difficult. These guys do not grow on trees. Like Abdul Carter went third overall. The reason they're paid so much money is because teams have decided that you can't replace

their value in the aggregate, the other positions you can. And so it just, it really, to me, at the end of the day, I do think they just ruined the emotions. I do think Jerry Jones was trying to power play. Someone was trying to big dick Jerry Jones. And he's like, fuck that. And the relationship just ended. I can't think of another reason.

I think it was a dick swinging contest. And he was like, you're going to tell me what to do? I'll fucking trade him right now. I just want to reiterate my take on, I think like in this era of football with the salary cap, fans become obsessed and maybe now teams

and Jerry Jones have become obsessed with cap space. Yeah, cap space. We got so much cap space. You use your money to keep very good players. Use that money. That's actually good.

If you give your really good players a lot of money. That's a good thing. I just want to reiterate that. Well, because you can roll over cap space forever. Yeah. which is what Philadelphia did.

I'm just wondering where everyone else was, the more I'm thinking about this, because this just happened. Like, you guys knew about, I was recording a Prestige TV podcast and found out right after. There's like 17,

like, could Denver have gotten in this? I was wondering about them too, yeah. Could, like, this, honestly, could the Steelers have gotten in this? Yeah, and they just paid T.J. Watt,

41 million. So part of it had to be, you don't, you don't, you couldn't have had your own 40 to $45 million our crazy contract guy yet. I do think that the Packers, ironically,

because they used eight of their last 10 picks, I'm doing this off the top of my head, but eight of last top 10 picks for defensive. Ironically, none of them are that good. So they kind of didn't have massive extensions for any of these guys. So they actually, on the defensive side of the ball, really had the cap flexibility to do it.

And you're right. Like they weren't hamstrung by a huge contract. But overall, I don't know. There's always money in the banana stand, man. I do think that maybe some teams don't want to give two first-run picks and a player to give up 46 to 47 million. But generally speaking, no, probably most teams probably did want to make this trade. Like the charges, I feel like probably would have wanted to do it.

I just think sometimes it's as simple as some teams, it's like it's not that different than fantasy football. You see a league, a trade in your league. You're like, how didn't you tell me? You're like, I don't know, man, I was thinking about it at the offer. I just wanted to do it. They don't always make the decision to call. That always happens in fantasy football.

I was right here. We talked last week. They're not always called. I asked you if we're going to trade Parsons. what the fuck it's honestly the same thing man I'm like I don't think they call 20 other teams I think the Cal Packers

I mean it's the same thing with Luca all the other teams like wait a minute why did you call us like we would give me way more that was rigged by the NBA this doesn't feel rigged by the NBA this is something

so I think Denver could have done it I think Pittsburgh even though they paid Watt it's just the kind of thing they would have done also trading interconference to the Packers who was the last team to beat you in the playoffs was the Packers two years ago

the ASC existing alone with the quarterbacks make it so much less likely that you'll make the suit, like it'll be a good pick. Like, the Texas? Maybe you could look out and get like a top 10 pick? 100%.

And I think, and maybe those teams were like, he's not on our timeline, but even that I'm like, they probably gave him good picks. I think the reason you know this is good is, you know who the least, the team that is probably the most stingy

about trading away future firsts? The Green Bay Packers. Like, there is no team. This is literally 30 years of this in the way the Packers have their leadership where they don't just give away first round picks. That's why comp with Reggie White. Where like the Packers are not the archetype of team

you thought would dip in a free agency first, but they're like, but this is an uncommon situation. I think Michael Parsons, like Luca, like very rare other situations, where players of this caliber are just not available very often. Like, Ricky Henderson being traded 40 years ago. Like, he just shouldn't be on the market. Like, why

didn't Cincinnati go for this? Oh, that's interesting. Because they've already, like, spread their money out. Quarter of a billion dollars. What Hayfitz just said, this does happen at every other sport and in football, it's way less likely to happen. But I also think teams have been burned by trades like this. If you go over, even like the Russell

Wilson trade. But I'd love to see all these trades laid out. Like, Hershal Walker is the most famous one. But if you go through the years, if you're giving up more than two firsts for a player, it's usually not a great idea. The counter, 26-year-old best pass rusher in the league is never available ever. Yes, it's usually the guy who's like around 30 years old. It was like, is Miles Garrett going to go somewhere else?

Do you risk that? You're going to be paying him until he's 34? This is not that. I think this is the second most important position in football other than quarterback. I think the whole trade is out of sample because it's kind of like if some crazy deal in a house and you're kind of sniff around and you're like, what's wrong with the house? Why is it cost us? Why is this even available if it's so great?

And you're like those other trades like Russell Wilson and you're like, okay, the answer is the Seahawks are trading him because they have been around Russell Wilson for 10 years and they don't think they can really, they don't think he's as good. They don't he's worth the money. Like most of these trades are ultimately teams that have the player and they're like he's not worth it. And you look at Micah and they're like, they did want to pay Micah. I think that this is, there's no health issue. There's no play issue. they just destroyed the personal dynamic. And again, maybe there's stuff we don't know.

Maybe there's stuff about the health we don't know. Maybe there's things behind the scenes. But my read of the situation is it actually is just a giant emotional dick swinging contest that Dallas lost. And there's nothing, like, just nothing about this player should be have been available in the trade market. Well, when he laid on the trainers table, that wasn't great. I'm just showing you my notes from the NFC. Yeah. Buffalo over Denver, Green Bay over Philly.

Green Bay 12 and 5. Pre Michael Parsons. Oh, my God. And I have, like, bets on them that I made. Like, I wish I could have tripled down. And if you're listening for Fantasy, I think we've talked all year about how the cow... You have made this comp at the New York Live show that the Cowboys are the Kirkland Brand Bengals because it's like, Dak and Burroughs, similar styles of quarterback's going to funnel their offense through passing.

And it's like T. Higgins and Jbar Chas or like an off-brain-pickens. Yeah, it's just going to be wheels up. They're going to lead a league in points. Defense is a bad. The Cowboys, we haven't even gotten to this. Do you realize how bad the Cowboys defense now is now? It is a bottom three in the NFL because they couldn't stop the run with Michael Parsons. Their cornerbacks are awful.

Like, I mean, the Cowboys have... Also, week four, week four Sunday night football, Packers, Cowboys. Danny, do you think this was a situation where they finished the trade and the Cowboys War Room celebrated? Like, we did it. We got the video. We got two first for Parsons. And Kenny Clark. The best guy in the league.

We did it. Number 32 and number 30, here we come. Terrible stuff. Are they the best... Is this the best fantasy defense now? Or would you still have Houston or Philly or some of the others? For Green Bay? I don't think they're the best, but it just drags their overall defense to like maybe above average,

which, again, I think the defense was the question for Green Bay because I just, it was like they have no cornerbacks and they've no, they lost Jerry Alexander and Eric Stokes who weren't great. But, I mean, Keeshaun Nixon's the best cornerback in Green Bay. He was a kick return or two years ago. Like, they have slot guys playing on the outside. But now the whole reason at Michael Parsons is that makes everyone better if the quarterback has a second less.

and yeah, I mean, they're a real contender now. I still think Denver, Houston, Vikings for fantasy better. The Green Bay needed a couple of blue chippers. It was like they had a good overall roster, but they didn't have the difference makers. Because they kept picking in the late part of the first round. Right. Bill, I know.

Bill, where do you think this is like... Jerry, better get scouting. You've been watching a lot of college football this year. You've got to find that diamond in the rough. Is there a comp you can think of for Dallas, a city, like Dallas losing Luke and Parsons in the same year? For like all-time sports city calamities? Losing one team is still worse than two players,

but this is pretty bad. There's that. There's also the, like when it came out this morning, they were talking about, they are getting phone calls for Parsons. He's the number one owner and be like, oh,

he's going to be fucking crazy enough to trade this dude. I can't think of maybe Matt Ishpia. Are there three owners across the sports that you'd be like, he's definitely dumb enough to trade Michael Parsons. Like, this is unconsurable that you're doing this. But they haven't traded,

Dallas hasn't actually got rid of one of their big players in years. Like usually when you're cowboy, you're a cowboy for life. I mean, they brought Zeke back. You know, they have really kept people within the family for a long time. Can I ask, Danny, would you have traded two firsts? Oh, my God. And what pass rusher? Give me one.

You don't really have any. You don't really have any. You would have given Witherspoon. Anybody. I mean, really, anybody. Would you have done two first in the third? Yeah. Would you have done two first in a second?

Yeah. Yeah. Also, why did they do you do? do the deal today. You have five more days to get a deal. Like you have five more, like the Packers are going to set a deadline on you? I don't know. Maybe I'm not smart enough for reading this stuff, but I'm like, what are the Packers going to say

no to this tomorrow? Why did you? You have another week to get the season going. You already answered that. It's a dick swinging thing. It's obviously like I'm done with this guy. I'm out. Yeah, maybe. What's our best offer? They canvass the teams. We can get two first from Green Bay. It's like, take it. I'm done with this. Does this raise

any other questions for you guys? Any other questions? No, I'm going to leave. That was the end of my cameo. Thank you, Bill. Oh, my God. Holy shit. What a day. Yeah, like, Schaefter, there's an article that came out. Michael Parsons got two MRIs in August.

He was cleared medically by the team. He was suffering from back tightness. The back tightness was pretending he was hurt so that he could justify not participating in practice. I'm like, I don't know. He didn't magically tear his back, not playing. I don't know, man. All right.

I think we hit the Parsons thing. I want to do a couple extra take purges and get out of here? I can't even tell if we should. Or do we just end it? We'll save it for the next one now. All right. Wow. Thank you, D.K.

Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Bill Simmons for stopping in. Oh, yeah. Thanks, Jerry. Thank you, Jerry for the content. As always. You know what's a... Jerry, you son of a bitch.

Take purge. Jerry Jones is the smartest person in sports. This is why the NFL makes $2 billion a month hurtling toward three. Jerry Jones is the only person who understands content. Shout out Jerry. Thank you to Kai. Thank you, Carlos.

Thank you. C.T. Thank you ever really dude Thank you Jerry for the content Unbelievable the man gets it Cowboys are going to be boring he understands Thank you Lord Lord

God Who do we even pick for a band on this one man Alan Parsons project Sure yeah Love that thanks for the little tip there What do you got what's your favorite song from them They do the walkout Michael Jordan song Oh that sounds right

I can't believe this happened I kind of just like I kind of just When we first the first 60 seconds we talked about I kept waiting for this to be fake. Same. Oh my God. Is it serious? Is that their song?

Is that the Michael Jordan song? That's the Bulls walk. I think it's serious. Sounds right. Yeah. Do do do do do do. Yeah, serious. Hell yeah.

That takes me back, man. That song. That was great. Well, the NBC is getting the NBA back and they're bringing back a lot of that nice stuff. They finally did this for the finals, where they brought back the intro music and I'm like, thank you.

You don't have to sell every moment. This is how we should start to take first. We should. The NBA finals having this again. Yeah, like rip off the warm-up. Standing 6-1. Yeah. Michael.

Dude, even in Space Jam, it hits so hard when they introduce, oh my God, it's the best. You know, I was just thinking of while in that era, like the John Tesh. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, it's to bring it back. Yeah. People are fucking thrilled

that it's like people are over the moon. One more time. One more time. You've seen the S&L was Sadagast. Yeah. It's so fucking good. There's a like a little vignette on how John Tesh thought of that.

It was John Tesh, right? I think so. How he thought of that song. Like he came to him in the moment. He had like a loaded death. Yeah. So fucking good. Hold on. I want to make sure it's John Tesh before. I think it is John Tesh. That sounds right.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, so good. There's also the Nelly song, Heart of a Champion. That samples that. Oh, really? Yeah. Is it a heart of a champion. Hold on. Let me play that.

Oh, damn. It's an ad. J-T. Don't say who the ads for. Wait. Skip ad. They should be at Coachella next year. Just on the keys. Tripping Molly for like an hour in this thing.

What year was this? What year was this? Man. Frank Ocean's ice rink melted. They should have played this. He looks like he's like, he looks like a dealer on a cruise ship. That's actually. Perfect.

Like he's dealing cards on a cruise ship. Oh, man. He's got like the dyed blonde hair with the goatee vest. Fuck. What year was this? I got to find out. When? 1995?

How do you spell Tash? When did John Tash invent? I think it was 95. Yeah. God, what an era. You composed it originally 1989. Okay. For the 1990 NBA season.

Stud. Thank you, John. Shout out, John. Playing it again. Okay. He didn't get already started. He's like, this is like the background is you dribbling. Yeah.

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