The Ringer NFL Show - Midseason Awards: MVP, Best Sleeper, and Biggest Bust. Plus, Heifetz vs. Craig Fantasy Court.

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

As the midway point of the season approaches, the guys are giving out the midseason fantasy football awards in this week’s Power Hour. Next, they discuss the latest updates from the Ringer Fantasy Football League, get into a controversial group chat dispute between Craig and Heifetz, answer some Fantasy Court questions, and respond to some emails. (00:00) Start of show (01:34) Saints bench Spencer Rattler for Tyler Shough (04:44) Carson Wentz to undergo surgery (08:13) Lamar Jackson to return for 'TNF' (08:31) Patrick Surtain II set to miss time with an injury (09:10) Power Hour: Midseason fantasy awards (10:23) Fantasy MVP (14:27) Sleeper of the Year (16:55) Sleeper of the Year (derogatory) (23:03) Non–Jonathan Taylor MVP (26:20) Biggest Bust (28:41) Waiver Wire MVP (30:47) Embarrassing Auto-Draft Pick That’s Killing It (34:08) Tight End of the Year (38:14) Hype guys that delivered (41:18) Guys you will never draft again (44:20) Ringer Fantasy League update (46:14) Craig vs. Heifetz Fantasy Court dispute (01:04:58) Fantasy Court (01:09:12) Emails Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. This episode is brought to you by American Eagle. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Whirlbeck, and it is Power Hour, where every Wednesday we power rank something. This week, we are giving out the mid-season fantasy football awards because we are somehow halfway through

the NFL season, which I kind of can't believe. Also, I don't really want to hear from anyone that there's 17 games and eight isn't really half. I don't give a shit. We're doing half-close. Yeah. Nerds, I don't want to hear about how this isn't actually halfway through. No interest in that.

Craig, is it, I feel like, I feel like every week eight for my entire life, we've been like, wow, it's week eight already. I know. It's like as you get older, like the small talk that you used to think was annoying when you become an adult, you're like, oh, I actually am now starting to say these things

every day. I'm like, man, at least it's a great day out. Boy, like when you go to an amusement park, I remember my dad used to always make the dad joke of like, when we'd get to a ride and we'd beat the line, like, we'd get off the ride and then there'd be a huge line. And he'd be like, boy, did we come out at the right time. I'm starting to say those things.

which is the same vibe as like, can you believe we're halfway through the NFL season? So we're burning daylight here. With that said, I can't believe we're halfway through the NFL season. Days are long, years are short. Okay, so with that, we're, let's just get to a couple things in news

and then I'll get to the midseason awards. We'll probably hit these all more in depth on the Friday episode, just previewing the week, but I wanna just note, Saints benched quarterback Spencer Rattler. Big news. I know, I know. They're gonna start Tyler Shuck. I just kind of want a D-K to remind people,

at Tyler Shuck, mostly for his scouting report. That's a lie. Someone for scouting report mostly so we could just get one pot shot in at Tyler Shuck being old. Yeah, 26 years old. I think it's ironic and hilarious that they, the Saints decided to pick the one guy who most resembles Derek Carr in the draft after New Orleans fans completely turned on him very quickly. He probably has a like better personality to be fair.

I mean, but statistically, definitely probably. The reason he's so similar is he a better guy or a football player, you think? Better guy. I don't know. Honestly, because to make it to the NFL and go in the second round, you get to be pretty fucking good. He's probably a better quarterback. I will say, the one thing that stood out to me most on his tape is just his, I don't even

know how to explain it. He is just so terrified of taking sacks that he will throw the ball wherever. There's one play in particular where he sees the pass rush coming and it's seriously like he underhands it and goes, and like throws it almost directly to a defender. I believe they dropped it. So that was fine. There's no polite way to say it other than,

I think the most objective way you could say it is Tyler Shuck plays like someone who had to take three medical shirt red shirt years. Right. Sure. Do you remember the play where Gino Smith saw Aaron Donald coming and goes, oh shit. That is the ethos that Tyler Shuck plays with. The fact, Jordan Morgan,

Morgan, Bay, Baca, Jordan, run! Jordan I feel like Tyler Shuck is such a good example of the draft season being too long where by the time it was actually like late April there were a few people talking themselves into why Tyler Shuck could maybe work in the NFL

and now that we're actually he's on a team and we're in the NFL season and he's in a game you're like how the fuck was this guy second round pick there's no way this is going to work like there's no way it's just also so funny just pulling up his Tyler Shuck's career college stats

because there's just so many lines for college. Like it just says like 2018, Oregon, 2019, Oregon, 2020, Oregon, Texas Tech, Texas Tech, Texas Tech, Louisville. You just never see seven years in one person. He has four college degrees. Does he really have four? That's two, that's at least two too many. He has degrees from all four? I'm pretty sure he has four college degrees.

How is that possible? I don't know. It's like Van Wilder. He backed up Justin Herbert. That's actually crazy. Who's in year five of his career? Justin Herbert has rookie contract has expired and he's been paying a quarter of a billion dollars and is now outperforming that contract.

You know what? People get it. Anyway. All this being said, though, he's starting. I will note it probably makes sense for them to see what he can do at this point. Yeah, they took him. They should probably see. Also, I'm sorry, Justin Herbert is in year six of his career.

That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. That's actually, that is nuts. That's unreal. Anyway, so speaking of people got hurt. Carson Wentz has seasoned ending surgery. We talked about this a little. Real convenient.

Sorry. Continue. Yeah, convenient. Anyway, so fixing is dislocated, left shoulder torn labrum fractured socket. Really convenient. Well, I was making reference to the fact that the Vikings don't really want to start J.J. McCarthy. Well, who do you think would outperform?

The only other Vikings quarterback on the roster now that Wentz has hurt. He is going to get surgery. He's going to be gone. Is Max Brasmer, who is one year at the University of Minnesota, and then the previous few years was at New Hampshire. I don't think he's real. I mean, he seems like a cat. That man is not real.

I'm like on the plane. That man's not real. Max Brasmer. They have to, Vikings have to trade for a quarterback, even to just back up J.G. McCarthy. Like, you can't have, JJ McCarthy is going to play with this high ankle sprain that needed two months to heal. If he hurts his ankle again, they're going to have Max Brasmer.

They need a trade for the trade deadlines next week. Minnesota actually has to go get a backup. And the backup will probably just compete for the job with McCarthy naturally. They're kind of fucked. You know what it's time for? It's time for Kevin O'Connell to fix James Winston. Oh, God. That's what needs to happen.

James Winston. That is way better than all the fake trades I had thought of. James is going to be good under Kevin O'Connell. You watch. And Justin Jefferson's going to finish as the number one of our receiver in fantasy. Well, I can see that. That's not very far-fetched. I actually had never once in my entire life actually considered,

like, what if James Winston stopped making bad decisions on the football field? How good he could be? I actually... There's no limit. And that won't happen, but even thinking about it is really funny. The limit does not exist. The ceiling is the roof if that happens. Honestly, I keep wondering if Kirk's going to end up there

and the Kirk Cousins played so poorly last week. I don't think they could even do it. So the Vikes have to trade for quarterback. Were they just going to have McCarthy injured with nobody. behind him. When you said the Max Brosner thing, Brosmer, sorry, that he's not real. It occurred to me, it'd be funny if teams did this as a bit because beat reporters and sports writers in general don't like to admit when they've never heard of a player. And like, you know, everybody wants to know where everyone needs to know where this guy went to college. Like it's the one sports writer thing is like,

we all know where someone went to college. It would be funny if a team just randomly started putting in like fake players and see how long it takes beat reporters to be like, wait, this guy's not actually real. I've never heard of this. Yeah, you have to be reporter. Like, so what did you think of Elliot Richmond in college? And they're like scrambling. Oh, yeah, yeah. I liked him. I actually thought he was underrated. It's like, well, he's not real. Yeah, I remember watching it. I remember seeing him when they were playing Duke. Yeah, he definitely stood out. You remember his big game against Louisville, right? Oh, yeah. No, yeah, I do. Sure. Me and someone I will not name, we're joking that we, we've always wanted to make up a player at the combine each year.

and just be like, yeah, the kid from like made up, like real school, made up player center and just be like, wow. Yeah, coach is done. And just see if we could create buzz around a player. Water cooler buzz. Yeah. See, Ty Whittingham out of Western Michigan is nice. We always wanted to start it on the first day and see if by the end of the trip, someone else told it to us. Oh, my God. That's actually really good. That would be the dream. That's good. We should bring somebody from the ringer with us to the combine and pretend like they're a player and like follow behind them and that we could pretend they're a GM. Yeah. Like James Glatz. Stone. I'll never get over that. Anyway, I do remind me about emails. Remind me about an email relevant to this conversation at the end of the episode. Also, Lamar Jackson's probably going to play Thursday night football. Played the Dolphins, obviously, if they win that game, claw back to three and five,

and then they could face J.G. McCarthy or Max Brasner or the Vikings and the Dylan Gilbert, the Browns and Fields at the Jets or Tara Taylor. Ravens do have a serious path back to six and five, but they need it. But if Lamar can beat Miami on Thursday, it'd be big. And then also, yeah, Broncos, quarterback Patrick Sartan is out for weeks. and we just made a face, DK. You said it right. Yeah, you bullied me into it.

Why is the eye there? If it's not certain, why the fuck is the eye there? I know it's Patrick Sertan, but it always trips me out. Yeah, but you don't say I am certain that we are going to the movies later today. You say, sir. Checkmate. Damn. That's true.

But you say stain. I like it. And complain. You're always so indignant about spelling things. Well, the English language is difficult. English is super hot. There's no rhyme. a reason to have the way you say things in English.

CERC chains. Like, you know what, let's move on. We're going to power rank the good point, though. We're going to power rank the midseason awards, and we're going to just go through, and we're going to give up awards to fantasy players at the first, not like people listening, the players in the field, the real players that are on our fantasy teams. Yeah, we're deep into the season now enough to like know the narratives that are going to stick. Like this is, now when you're talking to people about the fantasy season, you can already kind

of recap what was a disaster and what wasn't with some kind of clarity where it's like, look, Jonathan Taylor is good. This is not a fluke. They think it's like that. And it's a fun time capsule in case anything changes or there's injuries and stuff. So it's worth memorializing. So I'm going to go through this power hour style every two minutes. You can hear this sound. It's a great song. Perfect song. I love that song. Incredible song. Okay. So we're just going to go through these awards one to ten. Kind of lying about, I don't really know if this is a power ranking. It's kind of just the awards in an order that I thought would work. So I don't know if that's a ranking.

It's our show. We all submitted our picks. And then we come. of distributed it based on how passionate we were about who should win each award. I've taken your picks and dulled out the ones that were obvious and have like a third of them we still have to figure out during the conversation. Those will take longer. That's half the fun. Yeah. So with that said, number one, this one super easy.

Fantasy MVP, which honestly, don't get lost in the V of the VP of valuable. It's like, who's having the best season? I know. Don't get lost in the V. I was wondering that. I know. You know what? You can't, I'm, I'm giving you permission to get lost in the V.

I have this thought though for, I'm going to sit this one out. Don't get lost to the V. It's true. Yeah, the value, the valuable part, right. Everyone gets MVP and it's all this like, well, what's value? And it's like, who had the best year? Everyone's, you know? Unfortunately, this is a player that Highfitz took in the ringer fantasy league.

I feel like that's kind of a theme here. Hyfitts always takes the right players, which is still very weird to me. Highfitz is weirdly weird. good at this this game that we play what what he why is it weirdly good isn't that his job no i'm just i'm just giving him shit um of course he he's very good at this i just want to give him his flowers but i can't do it in a very nice way i have to do it in sort of the sarcasmuch it's that backhand it yeah probably because i recommend players that do poorly and other people take them and then the players who are good i end up with so you know it's just like every fantasy leg i'm in with hyphids he's

just a fucking wagon anyway so the MVP is colt johnathan taylor jonathan taylor jonathan taylor for the colts who was the running back nine in average draft position. I think a lot of people were very afraid that Anthony Richardson offense would suck and that Jonathan Taylor would not catch any passes. The Colts offense does not suck. In fact, it is through eight weeks. I saw this, the fourth best offense of all time, according to DVOA. And it's like the team ahead of them are the ones you'd think.

It's the 07 Patriots, the 2013 Broncos. So yeah, this is a very, very good offense. And Jonathan Taylor is the engine that runs that offense. He's the RB1 by a mile. He's averaging almost 26 points per game. Next closest is Chris McCaffrey, who also is on high-fitts's team at 21 points a game. He has 14 touchdowns,

four games with three-plus touchdowns this year. A running back hasn't had 20 rushing touchdowns in the NFL in 20 years. And Jonathan Taylor was 14 halfway through the season. It's wild. Sorry, he has 12 for rushing. I just, we talk, well, there you go. Everyone gets it at this point.

That's good timing. It's fine. We've talked about John Taylor. I do think a lot of people, and this is not discrediting, Hyphitz, but like Hyphids took Chase Brown an entire round before Jonathan Taylor. I think a lot of people reluctantly just landed on Jonathan Taylor. I think it was like, he's there and there's like no one else I really like, I guess I'll take him.

Nobody was like reaching for him in drafts. I was between Chase Brown and Jonathan Taylor and then he fucking came back to me around later and I couldn't believe it. And I just was like, okay, sure. And honestly, that's I usually win your leagues. Yeah. We're going to do a whole episode about him next year probably just he's the poster boy for what we always say boring players 100% dude for whatever reason boring talented players i'm looking at our draft van took alvin camara before jonathan taylor like people just were not into him it's great yeah uh it just fades into the background so yeah i john tell we've talked about him a lot so we can it's nice he's getting the recognition because the talent was always there but i feel like he never had that reputation and now this year rightfully

so is putting him in that conversation. Currently the fourth best. Just running backs who've had 200 fantasy points halfway through the season in the last 20 years. It's just like McAfrey, 2019, Todd Gurley, 2018, the Dania Thomas in 2006, which is the best fantasy season ever and then John Taylor this year. So that's pretty good.

Yeah, this is a good reminder to like enjoy this. Yeah. Yeah, revel in it. And then you know what, fuck it, whatever I know, I've tried to move on twice, but third time to charm. The guys with four hat tricks in one season in the 21st century are just Marshall Falk breaking the touchdown record in 2000. Priest Tom's breaking the touchdown record in 2002. Priest Tom's re-breaking the touchdown record in 2003.

Sean Alexander breaking the touchdown record in 05, Lidanea Thomas was breaking the record in 06. So it's like literally just only historic seasons are what John Taylor has been doing. And he did it in eight games. He did in eight games, not a full season. So it really is unbelievable. Okay.

Third time's the charm here. Moving on. Sleeper of the year, complimentary. Like the best sleeper of the year. This one I think, It, DK, I feel like it has to be Drake May, the Patriots quarterback. Yeah. So I think we always come into the seasons looking for the elusive dual threat guys.

And for whatever reason, I don't think we talked ourselves into Drake May as much as we should have. But he was definitely sort of one of those guys in that group where I could see him throwing a bunch of touchdowns and also rushing a little bit because he scrambled so much. And so we talked about him a lot in the off season. And people that took that risk and made that gamble, it's definitely paying off. He was drafted as the QB 16, and through eight weeks, he is the QB4 in points for game. Behind only Mahomes, Allen, and Hertz. He has 15 past touchdowns, only three picks. He's rushing for a bunch of yards.

He's third in rushing yards at quarterback position. And, I mean, maybe among all players, the guy that's made the biggest jump in the NFL. We have a category coming up later called the hype guy who actually delivered. And I think the reason why, D.K., you're like, oh, I don't know if he was necessarily discussed as much as he should have been blah, blah, lot is I think people were kind of, it was so obvious that Drake, like, every fantasy analyst was like, Drake May is the best pick you can make outside of the top 10 quarterbacks, bar none. Yeah, yeah. And it was almost like if, if, there was almost so much conversation around it, like Trevor Lawrence

being the number one overall pick or, or can't, like, we just didn't talk about it. And then it ended up working out. So I feel like it was something that every fantasy analyst, like, kind of agreed on. And I almost think that scared us. We were like, this is so obvious. as being in the ninth, we had him ranked as the ninth quarterback. No, we totally did. Yeah, we definitely did.

But it's almost hard. It's like you can only gush over somebody so much in the off season. We almost just like stopped and moved on. But yeah, half the problem is we work for Bill and we don't want to just be like talking with the goddamn Patriots quarterback the entire office season. But we had him ranked as a top dead quarterback the entire time. And I think what's cool is he was the most hyped quarterback of the entire year for

fantasy and he's outperforming it. And honestly, hype in general one this year because between a mecha, Buka for the Bucks, Tyler Warren. Yeah. And the hype player is outperformed. If you reached for the hype guys, they still were rewarding it.

And like he's the sleeper of the year in fantasy. And also that's translated in real life. Like he's probably even better at real life football than he is in fantasy. Seriously. Yeah. It's not just like a Justin Field situation where it's like, oh, he's going to run enough to get you 20 points a game. He's actually as good in real life as he is in fantasy, if not better.

Yeah. He's been unbelievable. So the next category here is sleeper of the year, but it's derogatory. It's all the other sleepers. You took over the cool sleepers. you regret it. So, Craig, I, you know, I think Chief Anger correspondent here. Who's the sleeper of the year derogatory?

There's a lot of candidates here. Where my head actually went was Caleb Johnson, the third round pick running back to the Steelers. I almost think we forget about how big of a bus he was because of how immediately irrelevant he became. I mean, he was probably dropped in fantasy leagues after like two weeks. He was taken 75th overall in fantasy drafts. He was the RB 28. 25th. Wow.

Yes. The RB 28. I mean, most people thought, it's like, we already forget this because Kenneth Gainwell's been kind of a thing

and Johnson has disappeared. But like, it was like, oh, the Arthur Smith run game. It's going to be Warren and Caleb Johnson. Naji Harris has gone. People were comparing Caleb Johnson's running style

to like Derek Henry Light. Derek Henry with Arthur Smith worked. This is going to be like Dionne Lewis and Derek Henry on the Titans. And he was just immediately irrelevant. He basically lost the Steelers that game to the Seahawks where he screwed the kickoff.

Oh, yeah. at the kickoff. And he basically hasn't played since. He gets like a carry a game. It's, one of my bigger regrets of the year is not pounding the table for Julian Warren just because Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator, is a hard guy to play for. And so is Aaron Rogers as a rookie. And just the two of them that wasn't going to work. Caleb, I mean, retrospect, it seems so obvious. Yeah. I'm furious at myself. There are some other nominees here for sleepers that if we're going to go over here, but there's so many people that we have to air grievances with. Right.

R.J. Harvey for the Broncos just had a great game for us to Dallas. He had three touchdowns. How many times have we talked about how mad we are, Trivian Henderson and the Patriots? Like every week for a month. Yeah. RJ Harvey until last week had like six more points than Trivon Henderson. And RJ Harvey went just as high, basically, depending. Also, didn't he have, he had three touchdowns on like eight touches. Yeah. Or seven touches. So it's just Harvey is like been infuriating. Matthew Golden, the receiver for the Packers, I will take the L if you have Golden it's probably because I talked about them

This is the whole thing with rookies though It's hard like these rookies take a while Well it's all offseason we were like If you get a macabole's with rookies Yeah we were like can get a mikobuca that's the best case You can pair them with Ricky Parasol That's Plan B and then Parasol got hurt Plan C is man Matthew Golden

What a great sleeper And what's mad about Matthew Golden He's the 65th best receiver in the season No touchdowns Three different games under 20 yards And then last week if you've had Golden this whole time You're like, I need you this week. By apocalypse, six teams are on by.

If you play, you might have had to play Matthew Golden this last week, gets four yards. Yeah. And I'm like, God damn it, Matthew Goldman. That was the winner because he's got Matthew Golden, R.J. Harvey, they are still on rosters. People are holding on. Caleb Johnson is, is in afterthought. He's on the barrel. He's in the waiver.

Caleb Johnson has 13 touches this entire season. We haven't brought him up one time on the waiver wire show. No. No. He doesn't play. He doesn't play. There's one other person I want to make the case for just because we haven't talked about this person.

We talked about waivers. We talked about adding Colston Loveland the tight end for the Bears. And we did even mention, I actually think you could argue that Colston Lovelin's the most painful of all these picks because the thesis was like,

oh man, you can get the next Brock Bowers. And you were probably between two rookie tight ends, Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren. And you might have taken Loveland over Warren. Oh, I bet you, yeah, I mean. Yeah. Oh, Daniel Jones or Anthony

Richard Sand, this Colts team, we have no idea. Or Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams in the new improved Bears offense. I want, they took a 10th overall. Ben Johnson made LaPorta the number one tight end. Yeah. How many people were probably like, I don't want to take a top tight end this year. So I'm not going to take Brock Bowers. You're not going to take even in Joku Hawkinson, Evan Ingram, a washed class of guys.

I'm going to take a late round tight end. And you threw a dart and you hit the only one that was bad because Jake Ferguson and Dallas Goddard and Tucker Kraft and Tyler Warren. And so I would argue Loveland is like in that group, the only miss of tight end at that. If you, you, that's kind of hard. You probably also cut him after two or three weeks. Yeah. But yeah, that one's got.

The other one that I want to shout out real quick is Braylon Allen. I feel like we heard about Braylin Allen for a solid month and about how he was going to take. He was going to put Brise Hall in the Cuck chair as he scores all the touchdowns for the Jets. Well, that's really how it felt. Like I don't think any player had a worse August than Bree. tall. If we looked at the actual ADP, I bet he fell further than almost any other player that didn't get hurt because there was so much hype around Braylin Allen. They were using Braylin Allen pretty interchangeably in the preseason. Braille and Allen was a great sleeper pick. I picked him in a couple

leagues just because I was like, you know, kind of buying into all that hype. And then Braylin Allen just, he just never did anything. He had zero useful weeks. He had the most he scored in a game of 6.9 points. His max rushing yards in a game was 30. And then he got. hurt. So that was like the biggest biggest much ado of nothing. I can remember. In August, all we heard about was Braylin Allen and then he just literally did nothing. All right. Well, we'll keep rolling here. But the ringer fantasy football shows brought to you by Fandle Thursday night football continues to deliver and Fandals keeping the energy up with their two million dollar Thursday night football jackpot. Place in any time touchdown score a bet using your profit business.

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Call 1-88-78-8-9-777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. All right. Next category here. This one's called the non-Johnathan Taylor most valuable player of the year because, frankly, I just, I don't know. It was so easy to, like, who's having the best season, John Taylor. I went through the awards that we didn't have an award for Jackson, Smith, and Jigua, the receiver of the Seahawks. So I made one.

And this is just an award to acknowledge that Jackson Smith and Jigba exists. Yeah. Because you know what I mean? Like he got overshadowed Ohio State. I know. And then by D.K. Metcalf at Seattle. And even this year, it's like John Taylor.

No one. And Jigba leads the league in yards by like 100 yards. Everywhere he's gone, he's been overshadowed, right? Greg. Yeah. It's almost like this is like the Lifetime Achievement Award, even though this is like his third season. But sometimes you just have to give an honorary Oscar to somebody.

And we're giving it to JSN. Who's just like, is it fair to say this is kind of, out of nowhere that he's just a top five receiver in the NFL? I think so. I think that's fair. I would say he was a good number two. That's kind of his reputation. Now he might be one of the best number ones in the NFL.

He and Drake May to me are the two guys that have, you know, over, overshot what we expected by the most in terms of the two players in the NFL. So the interesting thing within Jigba is if you look into it, so the counting stats like he is the most yards by 100, even though he already had to buy, he's the, he's the the crux of the offense, like his 4.4 yards per ret run, which for context is as good as it possibly gets. Like, 4.4 yards per ret run is like what Tyree Kill was doing in 2023 when he was going to get 2,000 yards. Like four, it is, there is no level higher that we have ever seen beyond 4.4 yards per run, whether 07 Rainey Moss or anything. No one's been higher than that. But he's doing that

even though in jig, his A dot is his like average depth of target is 13 yards downfield. This This isn't like his first year with the Shane, R We Live Waldron where In Jigba was getting the ball at the line of scrimmage. Like he's going downfield. He's up there with like Troy Franklin's average depth of target. Tyree kills the average depth of target. Like he's down like he's winning at all three levels. He's winning on slants to the inside.

He's winning on along the sideline. He's winning deep. He's winning our crossers. He's doing it also from the outside because that's the other thing is that Jigba is only in the slot 20% of the time. That's the same amount as like Nico Collins or Ted McMillan or like D.K. Metcalf, like these giant classic. X receivers.

They're not just spamming him in the slot. Like, Jigb is just winning on the outside over and over and over and over again. It's just, it's unbelievable. It's, it's, he's doing the things that people thought he couldn't do when they came into, when he came into the NFL, which is win deep and win from the outside. And he's, he is like untraditional number one receiver, but he absolutely is a number one receiver. In fact, like his, his, um, win rate on the outside is one of the best in the NFL.

He also has a 38% top. target share, which leads all receivers in the NFL. I need to do a tattoo for the draft. I just, I remember watching the Rose Bowl when he had the 300 yards or whatever and being like, this guy will play. This guy's good. This guy would be amazing. We should have a rule.

If you have 300 yards in a college game, you're good. Yeah, except for Zay Jones. Otherwise, okay. He's still in the league. I think he's the record for those catches in a game college. He's having a good career. Ish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, had a good day though.

So next category here I have, which is the biggest bust. And frankly, I just, this is the category of players you drafted instead of taking Jackson Smith and Jigba. Like who's the most disappointing player that you took when you could have had Jackson Smith and Jigba? I think the nominees are Brian Thomas on the Jaguars, Ladd McConkey on the Chargers, frankly, Ashton Jentie and Brock Bowers on the Raiders, and then just A.J. Brown. And so, D.K., of those nominees, who do you think is the most disappointing person you took over, Jackson Smith and Jake Webb? I think Brian Thomas. He, so he to me would be the type of player that if you're in last place, he's the guy you can blame. Because he was legitimately a borderline first round player.

I think some people, you know to reach a little bit to take him in the first round, but he's like first, second round turn. And right now he is the wide receiver 42 on the season. He's averaging nine points per game. he has one game over 20 points and just three games with double digit points. And in addition to all that, I mean, the vibes are horrific. He's not in sync with Trevor Lawrence. It seems like they're getting in arguments or, you know, shooting glances in every game. You know, the coaching situation is kind of weird there.

They're trying to put in a new offense and everything. He has the yips. He has more, he has like a bunch of drops this season. And if you just go back the last four games, it feels like he's kind of losing his role as the number one receiver because only he's. only has four more points total than Travis Hunter in the last month. And so with a lot of these guys, I'm like, oh, it might get better down the, down the stretch of the season. But I don't really know if I feel that way about Brian Todd's.

Like, it might get worse. I think the answer is Brian Thomas. There are other nominees. They're like Marvin Harrison Jr. is also scoring the same amount of points as Brian Thomas. I think DJ Moore has been really disappointing for a receiver. You could have theoretically taken over JSN. But it's, it has to be Brian Thompson. Like, D.K. said, he was going like 11th in drafts.

Like, this guy was supposed to be a superstar. I still maintain that if I was like one of these guys in the Jaguars plays cornerback too and doesn't practice that much with the offense. You'd be like, oh, yeah, it's Brian Thomas. Yeah. The guy who doesn't look like gets hit. Travis Hunter is starting to look good at wide receiver. And he doesn't even practice wide receiver.

And he looks pretty good. Liam Cohen was like, we're not trading Brian Thomas, which I hate that that had to get clarified. I mean, that's when things are going well. Yeah. Number six here, number six awards. The waiver wire MVP of the year, just the player, the best player you have. added off waivers this year. I feel like there's frankly like two candidates. May three.

And I think it's Daniel Jones, the quarterback for the Colts. It's Keenan Allen, the receiver for the Chargers, and it's Rico Dowdell running back. Yeah. Panthers. I feel like it has to be Daniel Jones in part because like my brother added him off in this is the oldest league I'm in. And everyone like mocked him relentlessly, even after Daniel Jones was good in week one. Everyone made so much fun of him. And then now he just keeps sending these Daniel Jones in Deanna Jones memes to the chat every week. Like, no one made fun of you when you had to Keenan Allen. I think that that pushes it over for me.

What do you think, D.K.? Yeah, I mean, a guy that basically went undrafted, scoring almost 21 points a game is massively, massively valuable in fantasy. And yeah, I put, I put Rico Dowdell because I kind of just forgot about Daniel Jones in a sense, but I think Daniel Jones is the clear cut answer here. I think Rico Dattle has certainly helped a lot of people, but Daniel Jones is the answer. Yeah, Daudill is, it's like, Dato has had two good weeks. Daniel Jones is the QB5 on the season.

He's one of seven quarterbacks averaging 20 points a game. The guy has top 10 in MVP odds. He has the same MVP odds as Jalen Hertz and Baker Mayfield. Like he is just, and again, he is the reason why nobody drafted Jonathan Taylor. Yeah. It's like this weird one-two punch where it's like

because nobody believed in Daniel Jones, nobody drafted any Colts players, and now all of them are fantastic because of Daniel Jones and other stuff. But I think it has to be Jones. I mean, he's the QB5. Yeah. It's, yeah, I agree.

Jones. I'm happy for him. Shout out Chase Stewart at football perspective, who pointed out that the Giants and Jets have three wins this season. And the top two quarterbacks in net yards per attempt this season are Sam Donald and Daniel Jones. Yeah. So that's chill. Tom, Tom, save me.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Thank you. And he's, I just like, he's not spamming points like Daniel Jones. Like, it's all legit. Similarly, the next award here, the embarrassing pick that you either auto-drafted or made fun of taking, and then now that person is actually crushing it. This is a fun one. I feel like the nominees here are Michael Pittman, the receiver for the cults, as we were just saying.

Quentin Johnson, receiver for the Chargers, Giovante Williams for the Cowboys, but honestly, it might have to be Jalen Waddle for the Dolphins. I think so. Jalen Waddle, who I'm in three leagues. I do have Jailen Wattle in one league because he was going for five. in an auction draft and I couldn't help myself even though I despise this man. I drafted him. You went against all your better thoughts. I was like this, we talked about this in August.

We were like, as painful as it is to admit, I think there's value with Jalen Waddle. He's the wide receiver 12 on the season and points per game. But more importantly, since Tyree Kill went down and if you remove that Cleveland terrible weather game, that was a disaster, he's the wide receiver five. He's averaging 17 points per game. And like there are moments where the Miami Dolphins, offense like finds its rhythm. It's like it takes a little while.

It's like it takes a while to start the car, but the car does start. And they are using Waddle in that old school dolphins, Mike McDaniel Way, where he's like coming across the middle, these crossing routes, these slants, he's in breaking routes.

And Waddle's good. Like, you know, he's good when everything's working and it's working. Yeah. I think that's a great call because that was not a pick you could feel very great about making. it was kind of like truly just okay I think the values here what I'm gonna take him because

yeah everybody went good luck with that guy test of your principles totally yeah yeah but I think there there are there were a lot of nominees but I want the the like what waddle did to the three of us specifically last year I also think like makes him even more you know likely to win this award but yeah I also think well Michael Pittman to me was a guy that was so late that you're kind of like that wasn't that embarrassing yes quentin Johnson was also probably waiver ad but javanti williams is like a classic auto-draffed by people good one he wasn't really an embarrassing pick it was because again it was pretty late waddle was like you took him in the fourth round right the pitman one is interesting because again it goes back to everything we

were talking about with with daniel jones and the expectations for the colts but high fits you picked michael pitman in the last round of the fantasy draft isn't that right yeah you got pitman and jane read he's a top 12 he's a top 12 receiver on the year Yeah, he literally just didn't get drafted. I also added Juvento Williams off waivers. Jesus Christ. The Quentin Johnson one I just wanted a real quick mention is I remember at the beginning of the year, if you would have taken him in the last round or like auto drafted on accident,

he even just picked him up off waivers. I think I probably would have been like, ha, that's a waste at the beginning of the year. And now, I mean, he's the wide receiver 19 and he's fading. He had zero points in this last game and McConkey is certainly coming on. but like he's been very, very useful for you for the first eight weeks of the season. There's also like this guy has not been that good, but in terms of getting made fun of for making this pick,

Kyle Pitts has been serviceable this year. Totally. Remember I offering DK money out of my wallet to put Pitts out of list of stuff? He was like, no. You're like 20 bucks, 40 bucks? Kyle Pitts is the wider tight end 11. Like he's been, he's been all right.

It's fine. Speaking of which though, we do have to do have to do the next category here. We have tight end of the year. And I actually just went with tight end of the year because honestly there was a lot of tight ends that are good. and I wanted to give them all their shine. Tucker Kraft on the Packers, Tyler Warren on the Colts,

Jake Ferguson and the Cowboys and even Dallas got it on the Eagles. I think if you went back through the last four weeks and you had asked us who's the tight end of the year? We would have had one of these four guys as a different answer each of the last four weeks. So, D.K., who's the definitive tight end of the year and not someone that will just change our mind on again? This is definitely not recency bias. It's Tucker Kraft for the Packers who absolutely went bonkers last week. He is the tight end won on the season by a good amount.

right now, 14 points per game and have PPR. And I think that the fear with him coming into the season was the Packers offense, it's like every week, it's something different. They make a focal point of based on matchups or whatever. But he has a solid 21% target rate, which is the fourth most among tight ends. It's not a fluke. This is, this guy is that he's talented enough that they're making him a central part of their passing game.

And it's really working for them. So I don't think this is a fluke at all. There's going to be ups and downs with every tight end probably. But I mean, Tucker Kraft, he looks. like a top three real life tight end and he's the tight end of one in fantasy yeah it's tough warren it's like you can give it to warren just because of the rookie tight end thing it's just like hard for these guys to i mean the second the season started you watched one game of tyler warren and you were like yep top five guy and i think that's the case for him craft though i feel like is like the spreadsheets were

right there were all the like all of the fantasy analysts in the off season were like oh the yards per route run stuff the yards after the catch stuff with the tucker craft like even if the volume wasn't there, what we saw from him, if you extrapolate it, like he has all the characteristics of being a guy, like the next George Kettle type. And he kind of has had a weird season because he has basically just two huge spike weeks. And then outside of that, he's been a little bit hot and cold. But the spike weeks are so big and what he can do in the offense is so explosive that he'll win you weeks. Tyler Warren has been a little bit like 15 points every single game. Yeah, absolutely. The other guy to mention here is Dallas Goddert, who you could have taken on waivers,

probably. And, D.K. The other guy, your favorite. Jake Ferguson. Oh, yeah. Ferg. He, you know, he had zero points this last week. So that, that kind of hurts his, his, uh, the tight end too after, after a goose egg.

I know. That's why I didn't want to cut out. Like, he was on pace to set the record for most receptions from a tight end. So I know he had a goose egg, but I didn't want to cut him out of this because he had one bad week. Jake Ferguson, even with that said, if you're in a full PPR league, Jake Ferguson is by far the number one tight end. In fact, Ferguson, because again,

Kat, people know how I feel like the catch is getting a full point is insane of the concept that one catch is equal to first down is stupid. However, if that's how you score points, Jake Ferguson has 60% more catches than Tucker Kraft or Dallas Goddard. Jake Ferguson is 51 catches. There is only one other tight end that has 40. And Jake Ferguson is over 50. The gap between him and everyone else is massive.

And that's after not catching a pass last week. It is funny. He's like the opposite of Tucker Kraft. He has, he has 18 more, oh, no, I guess he, oh, he has 21 more catches than Tucker Kraft and yet he has 130 less yards. Yeah. Yeah. So he's more of a catch and fall down type of guy. Yeah. PPR tight end of the years, Jake Ferguson. Yeah. Okay.

Wait, so who's winning? Is it Warren or is it Kraft? If it's, you get to be the judge here. I think it is Tyler Warren because you have been able to be part of this Colts ride, which is extra cool. Tucker Kraft had two massive spike weeks, but actually kind of lulled in the middle. And you probably were like there was a bye, early buy and an injury. And like there was a little, you were kind of, you were probably wondering if Tucker Kraft was a flash in the pan. Warren has been just consistently fun and it's cooler to be a part of the cult's thing. So I will give the tiebreaker to Tyler Warren.

I agree. Sweet. hype guy next one here hype guy who actually delivered and I know we just sleeper the year it's similar Drake May Emeka Buka Tyler Warren

are they even eligible for this? I think we almost have to put them, are we put it in the side or what do we do it here? I mean my answer was Drake May because I just think like everybody was saying it's going to be Drake May and it just absolutely was

yeah they just kind of delivered like you couldn't find somebody who wasn't into Drake May in fantasy this offseason and it's worked. Usually that doesn't happen. DK. I think you have a high guy that delivered. High Fitz, you wrote Abuka and I think that's a very fair one because we were everybody,

it was like everywhere you looked. It was your favorite fantasy analyst's favorite guy in the draft basically because everyone kind of fixated on him. Chris Godwin coming off this big injury. So I think he definitely fits this bill. The one guy who I pointed out just, and this is more of just a personal thing because I talked about him incessantly. I got to the point where it was like,

I probably should just shut up about this guy because he is probably pretty volatile coming into the season. But George Pickens for the Cowboys, who he was my favorite picks. I have him on like seven teams. I just kept picking him. He felt like a really great value going from a terrible passing offense in Pittsburgh to, you know, one of the best passing offenses in the NFL in Dallas. Obviously, it helps his case that C.D. Lamb got hurt. So there was like a little bit of luck with the runout in terms of like the points he was scoring per game.

But I think I haven't really heard anything about off-field stuff with him. That was like always the big question. What is he going to do if he starts not getting enough targets? He's just been bawling out basically from start to finish. He's the wide receiver six on the season so far. 685 yards and six touchdowns. He's tied for second in the NFL and touchdowns. Seems like he's loving life in Dallas right now.

Yeah. He's happy right now. He's getting fed. Yeah. We always knew he had the talent. Right. It was always a big question. But I don't know.

I was always a little bit like I don't know what to make of this. narrative that Mike Tomlin trading away a receiver automatically means death of that receiver in the pros. I was just, I think I pushed back on that because I had way too many George Pickens bags, probably. But yeah, it's good to see him thriving right now. Well, Tomlin thing was the history of every receiver who's ever left Pittsburgh except for not every, but.

Well, Emmanuel Sanders, who went to the best offense in the history of the NFL was the exception. Yeah, he sucked. But yeah I'm so he did well No the answer was the Pickens was like The head case But well no that's still yeah Good call well I'm just saying he's the wide receiver six

He also maybe the volatility Maybe he got CD Lam hurt You know maybe it wasn't luck maybe you know make your own love Like a Nancy Kerrigan situation Yeah exactly Oh true also like this doesn't rule out the fact that like Pickens if the Cowboys sneak into the playoffs We'll have some ridiculous on sportsman like

Conduct Penal in a crucial moment in the fourth quarter And everybody will be like Yep, that's George Pickens. Last one here. I'm taking my lap right now, Craig. For sure, for sure. That's what we do the show. The last one here is the guy you will never ever draft again because of what he's done

the last eight weeks, even if you know it's a good idea, you emotionally aren't ready for the journey. I nominated A.J. Brown. Who? I second the motion. Yeah. I don't know if I want to ever do it again. I won't do it again.

It's always going to be bullshit with him. I feel like it. It just, he also feels like he's always going to have a hamstring injury when it's convenient for him. And I can't read the Diana Rossini articles every week anymore. I just can't. It's just, it's cool when he plays well, but he, it feels like he's like dogging routes when he knows he's not going to be targeted. I just, I'm good. I'm out.

The juice is not worth a squeeze. No, it's not. I'm shocked you didn't say trivia in Henderson for this one, Craig. AJ, my expectations with AJ Brown were like, I, got one of the best wide receivers in the league on one of the best offenses in the league. And he is one of the safest players you can draft and will deliver every week. And it's been the exact opposite. At least with Trevion, it's like, I don't know.

This guy's a second round pick and he's a backup to start the season. Like, AJ Brown, when I drafted AJ Brown in my high school, like everybody went, great pick. Damn, I really wanted AJ Brown. Wow. Oh, 32 bucks. Pretty good for AJ Brown. And it's a disaster.

I'm never going to spend that money on him again. It's a highly unenjoyable experience. Horrible experience. I'm having a terrible time with him and I can't do anything about it. I just have to start him every week. He's handcuffed me.

Even when he scores a lot of points, it doesn't give you confidence that it'll ever happen again. It even feels like with the touchdowns he scores for some reason. They don't even really look like he's trying, which maybe shows that he's that good and athletic. But there are like his 50-yard touchdowns

are kind of like jogging and he's still begrudgingly scoring. It feels like they're humoring him too when he's going to be. Yeah. I don't know. The whole thing is awkward and weird. I don't know. He's going to be 29 next year.

I just like, I don't want to, I'm not doing it again. I think that's right. Did you have anyone else? Honestly, just Travion, but realistically, Travian, I'm not never going to draft him yet. If Travian has an awesome month of December, like I'll probably be in on next year. You'll be back on it next year.

It's like he was a rookie. If AJ Brown has probably right. If AJ Brown has an awesome month, awesome month of December, I won't care. Because he should. That's who he is. All right, those are mid-season awards. We're going to get to ringer fantasy league update, fantasy court emails.

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We're first and I play Craig this week. So that'll be a big game. I'm hanging on here, a four and four. I'm in sixth place. My team's kind of been hit by the injury bus. and Lamar Jackson and Brock Purdy have not been kind to me this season. That's beautiful.

Bangkok Craig. Bangkok Craig is hanging on by a thread. Bangkok Craig is just, you know. Bill unfortunately is still in last. He's two and six. Tied for last. I hung on to beat Bill this last week. It was not a great week for me.

I only scored, I think, 116 points, but Marcus Marriota put me over the finish line there. It's looking like, You two and Sal have the three best teams. And I think it's going to be one of you three in the end. So we have the three best teams. So what? So fantasy is going to win?

What? Well, just that's how fantasy works. Yeah, fantasy might win it. Fantasy, it would be funny because we made fantasy choose all the Jets players. I was saying both. It's like the three best teams. It's like, all right, someone else will win.

No, I do feel, I'm, you know, just whoever ends up being healthy. I like my team a lot. We'll see if I can get injuries. It's kind of just how it always goes. Yeah. I feel like I'm I'm like Brock Purdy even if you play it's like this guy's never going to be healthy like all season I'm I don't know what the hell I'm going to do with Brock Purdy and you're playing house this week house is four and four you two playoff spots so whoever uh wins that might fall

out of the playhouse so if you're playing you're playing house oh yeah sorry wait no yeah so you're playing house oh yeah sorry okay you're playing house yeah yeah all right yeah yeah we're grinding we are in the the doleger of the season right now. You've got to fight. I have been speaking of fighting, I have been waiting to talk with this for three days for fantasy court. I, so

it feels, first of all, it feels very good to not be embroiled in the middle of this. That's all I can say. Craig and I have not spoken about this. We are going to hash this out right now. So I'm going to give basically what happened was, are you going to give as long of a speech now as you did in the text thread or will it be a little bit?

Well, go ahead. Why don't you explain what happened. Okay. I honestly personally feel like this is like a very small like glitch in Yahoo that is like a very common thing. And I think Hyvitz just made it a lot bigger than it was for kind of no reason other than to kind of make fun of me in the chat, which is fine, I guess. But so I have Aaron Jones. He's been on IR for a long time. Aaron Jones played on Thursday, he was taken off IAR late. It was like an hour before the game. Hour before the game.

We were all in person. I left right after we recorded to drive up to pass the robo. So I was like not looking at my phone or my roster, whatever. Aaron Jones was like on my bench, obviously not playing anyway. I think most people probably weren't playing Aaron Jones. Same issue happened in a league that I am the commissioner of. Another guy had the same issue where if you have Aaron, if you have like somebody in your IR spot and then they play a game without you taking them out of your IR spot, it locks

your roster. Like you cannot do anything. You cannot drop or add anybody. And so, of course, it was like Friday or something. I look at my roster and I'm like, oh, you know, Drake London got ruled out late. And I was like, oh, I need to make a move here. Lamar Jackson's not playing. I need to make a move here.

And I couldn't, like the entire roster's locked. So I go to Hyphitz and I'm like, hey, just like my buddy Hunter did to me and my other league, I was like, hey, I need you to move Aaron Jones from I R to my bench so that I can like make some changes because whatever. And then Hyphitz sends like, I think like seven or eight paragraphs to the Ringer League. And in it says things like, I know everyone's going to be really upset. Craig about this. Also, after Craig tried to change the Ravens pick and Ringer 107, which is something that Hyphitz

co-signed, we were just, okay. I just thought it was like, I mean, it was funny because like it, I think Hyfitz even you would admit that you were like, you want to bring. Like, we want to kind of stoke some outrage to get ahead of it here. Okay. But it was kind of your commissioner of. I thought it was very over the top. I have been leagues that I'm the commissioner of where on certain platforms, if you have

a commissioner change, it gets sent as a push notification to everybody. So I did the same thing you're talking about. Overall, we get emailed this all the time. The locking of the roster is because you left someone on IR is insane. Like, you shouldn't get like the idea that you left a running back. in on Thursday so you can't change your kicker. You can't cut the, you couldn't even cut the player in IR. You can't cut a different player to rectify that so you don't get to move your kicker or your

quarterback on Sunday or Monday because like a, you made, the IR guy played on Thursday is a crazy rule. So we get emailed about this all the time and we're always like the same answer, like let them you should unlock the roster. I think we've probably done this on fantasy court. We have because it's a crazy problem. Having said that, that doesn't mean that when you're the commissioner, like I did this last year. And I had to do this for Jackie's team. And of course, it was Jackie's team. So I was like,

I'll just undo it. And of course, I get hit with days and days and days of collusion, commissioner, shadow, changing the matchup to help your, like, all I heard about for weeks was like that I fucking just changed this setting. Because it says, there's a log. It says, commissioner made an update or whatever and changed the roster. When do you edit a roster? Yahoo is the same thing where it's like on the Yahoo page. underneath all the transactions. It says commissioner edited Craig's roster and it'll be there. This is the same day we asked Bill like we want to take back sees on the Ravens line minus six and a half because Lamar is playing.

So the same, so basically there will be a log of the same day we asked to change the rigor 107. It's going to be like, Hyphitz edited Craig's roster for him after the, sorry, Sunday morning, it was going to be Hyphitz changed Craig's roster. And then you've clearly never been. in a fantasy league with Mallory Rubin because I have personally been, also all these people are our bosses and you have never clearly dealt with Mallory Rubin's wrath of like, Mallory once whipped the votes like House of Cards to veto a trade I made and it was terrifying. And so I did not want the wrath of this league coming down on me when it was easily explained because the

flip side is we say nothing and then they're like, what the fuck is this? And then I explain it And they're like, that seems pretty shady. So I was like, let me get out of this. I completely understand all that, actually. That's like very fair. However, you saying that this can be easily explained does not reflect the text that you sent to the group, which again was like 2,000 words. Well, it's kind of complicated to explain.

It's not that complex. Like, it happened. My other league, somebody's like, hey, Aaron Jones, I are roster, a lot. Craig, can you move it around? I said, yep, no problem. Nobody said a fucking peep. And this is a league that's been going on for 15 years. To me, you made something that was not very sure.

shady at all seem incredibly shady by sending this extremely over-the-top explanation. Sunlight is the best disinfected. I'm sorry. Like literally just like, hey, here's what we're doing in light. Guess what? I think that you very much led the witnesses to believe that I was doing something that was a much bigger deal than it actually was. You spent, this was the longest text I think I've ever seen you send in my life. And that's saying something for you. It's complicated to explain It doesn't even affect who I play. Like, I wasn't even going to play Aaron Jones regardless because you already, like, it didn't even change my roster.

It was just like, it was just, it was nothing. And then I should say, so you in this text, you, this is what you wrote among the 900 paragraphs. Between this and the Ringer 107, Ravens request from yesterday, just a brutal weekend for Craig requesting takebacksies. Unfortunately, though, this will likely have. We have two ringer contests you wanted take backsies in the same day for both things. I'm like, that had to be addressed.

Yeah. However, what you did not acknowledge is that I asked you guys first if I should ask Bill about the Ravens takebacksies. And you said yes. I was in the middle of something and I didn't realize you were going to put it in a chat with everyone. So you're just completely throwing me under the bus and then starting this. So you're piling on a brutal weekend for Craig rehearsing take back seats.

You go on to say, unfortunately, though, this will likely happen again this season to somebody else. It probably will. Happens ever. Can you let me finish? Sorry. You're saying, unfortunately, though, this will likely happen again this season to somebody else. Parentheses, probably somebody who doesn't host a fantasy pot and should know better.

It's like, Jesus, you're supposed to be the objective commissioner here. What are you doing? I was ruling in your, I made, I fixed your team and the price of fixing your team. Look, I as commissioner, am now going to get the wrath of Bill and Mal and Van. And the price of that is I'm going to make fun of you and then give you what you asked for. You were not going to get the wrath. you made this seem like such a bigger issue than it was. And if you are an objective commissioner,

if this is a rule that you believe is correct, then you can not throw me under the bus for not knowing the rule or not preparing for the rule and toss in the ringer 107 thing. You have to pick a side. Either you think this is bullshit or you think this is just a glitch and you're doing what you're supposed to do as commissioner and you didn't do that at all. I picked your side.

I changed your roster and you got the way. You completely threw me under the bus. Like you completely made it seem like I was doing something way shadier than I was. And I, D.K., you can, I mean, I showed them, I was on an Airbnb trip by my friends. Yeah. I showed them this thing and they were like, Jesus fucking Christ. Like, what? This is not a big deal.

And he is completely making seem like you're trying to like pull a fast one on the league. There was like a strong element. I don't know if Streisand effect is really the right term for this, but like Hyphitz was like fanning the like, it was like an SOS. I guess I just like, inarguably. The alarm emoji things. Like when he could have just said, hey, this is what's going on. I made this switch. Hey, Craig's roster got locked.

There's a weird Yahoo glitch. I'm going to move Aaron Jones out of his bench, but it won't affect who he's playing this week. Thanks, guys. We're all the commissioners of this league of different leagues. Do you guys not get like totally harassed by everyone in your league? I think some of the fantasy courts we get. I feel like the ruling at the end is like, all right,

this is supposed to be fun and not insane and ridiculous. And like, to me, this completely falls under the category of like, all right, what are we doing? This is the part I forgot. I forgot on Yahoo. you don't get a push notification to everyone's phone that says the commissioner edited Craig's roster. On other platforms, it gets sent to everyone's phone immediately

that I edited your roster. So if I do that on those things and I don't say anything, then you're right. So but then if I'm like, oh, edited the roster, I'm like, oh, there's a glitch. And then everyone's going to pile on. I'm like, collusion, cheating, cheating. And I'm like, and I literally thought to myself,

I'm going to hear about this on Bill's show. I was like, Bill's going to go on a salad night And they're going to be like, high fits of Craig are cheating in the ringer, ringer league. And I'm like, fuck. And you're right. Maybe I should have just left it. But I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to hear about this all week. I think you fomented a controversy that did not exist just to kind of get things going.

Guess what? My boring long text, Van said, this is cheating. And then no one responded. So yeah, it was, again, it was not a boring long text. The text was completely destroying me and calling me a clown essentially. And then people were like, wait a minute. What's going on? Yeah, he is a clown.

This commissioner is sending 10 paragraphs. This must be a big deal if he's sending 10 paragraphs about it. Hifitz, you sound so nervous right now. Yeah. Well, I just- I'll answer where in the middle real quick. I lance somewhere right in the middle because I understand from Hifitz's point of view that this is his bosses.

And that's like a weird dynamic where he has to be. Yeah. What are we talking about here? Okay. These people all run our company. I know. It's a weird dynamic, Craig. It's weird power.

power dynamic, okay? This league is for free. Like, what do we? There's, there's no power dynamic here. This is like a stupid roster move week eight of a fantasy league. Just because Bill Simmons is the CEO of the company.

I'm like, I think I was just scarred. Craig, you didn't let me get to the butt part. Okay, okay, okay. But this was a completely unhinged. I, I think I see how it's unhinged.

The context I want to give is that when I, to be clear, Craig, I totally get what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying. And like, it's, it looks unhinged. The context I would give is I did that last year in this league.

And I'm like, hey, there's, and I just edited Jackie's roster. And I was like, yes, she's my fiancee and that looks like a conflict of interest, but I would do this for anybody. And I did do it for other people later in the season where I'm like, anyone who has this happen, it was stupid. The I are a thing you're talking about? Yeah, they are a thing. It just happened to Jackie first is fine.

And I just did it. And then I didn't say anything of it. And then people were like, what happened? I'm like, there's a glitch. I didn't fucking hear the end of this. I never heard the end of it. It was all. So then I'm saying, I'm like, this is going to happen again.

I'm like, they're going to be like, DeK, High Fitz is helping Craig, they're cheating. And I'm like, oh my God. And I, in fairness, it was probably anxiety brain. I was thinking about all the shit people yelled at me in my other league with my friends on the various ringer network. And I'm like, oh my God. I actually have to fucking explain this, don't I?

And so I did. And so you're right. It probably was unhinged. But I was, yeah. I think it was a little unhinged. And I think what you missed is sometimes more explanation does not necessarily mean it's, it's like, less unhinged. More words don't always equal

less outrage. Sometimes you can explain something so much, you're actually sounding more guilty. Right. That was 100% way. And then you also, the little like barbs sprinkling in like between this and Ringer 107,

this is a brutal week for Craig. As somebody who should know better because he hosts a fantasy pot, it's like, all right, what are you actually trying to do? I actually, who should know, I'm sorry. Well, it was just hilarious because then everybody starts texting me.

I don't know. It was just funny. I showed my, one of my friends was like, is he always like this? And I was like, it's like a two out of ten. You're like, yeah, yeah.

Definitely. It's like a two or three. That was funny. I was watching this happen in real time because I saw the texts come into the ringer fantasy league. Oh, you left me out to dry. Way before Craig. What was I supposed to do?

I asked for your help. Oh, that's another part of this story, Craig, that I didn't actually talk to you about. He says he needed my help. I got about five. texts at 5.30 in the morning, my time on Sunday. 9 a.m. as they call it. Yeah. I live on the West Coast. I know. Once again, I'm asleep. Yeah, what is that mean? You're not a lot. You don't have to acknowledge

DK's time zone because yeah, it's your way refuses to recognize our time zone. What is that mean? And then again, Craig, like an hour and a half later, are you alive at 650? It's a, it's Sunday morning. Wasn't judge. It was just he was just he was having an absolute meltdown in other words. And so like the fact this all came out the way it did was so funny. And then I saw Craig, I saw Craig first texts us. This is just me and me and Danny that hey, by the way, can you get this done? Can you like move this guy out? Because he hadn't read all the other texts yet and then comes back after reading the ringer fantasy league text. And he's just like, what the fuck? What the fuck just happened here? This is like a routine thing. You threw me under the bus. I'm happy to post the text to Instagram so people can see how much you set on this. Because I feel completely comfortable and confident in the fact that this was way over the top. It was long. I thought we were going to steer. I looked at it as like, you know that scene in VEP where they're just like, like, oh, you want to go through the files and they just give like all the files?

I'm like, I literally was like, this is going to take up my whole day in this fucking thread. And I'm like, I'm going to hear everything I think. And I'm going to get all done right now. And then no one cared. And you're right? Maybe that was crazy. I also think there is a higher percentage of chance that you think that people would like, pile done. Everybody accused me of cheating because you sent that.

You were the funniest part about this whole thing. You were directly responsible for the responses of all of those people who then were like, wait a minute, what's going on cheating? Like, when it was totally not. I had to edit Craig's rostrum because of a glitch. People would have been like cheating. Well, you should have tried that first and then you could have sent the screed later. Yeah, probably. Sorry.

I totally forgot about that, Craig. He was like harassing me at five. 30 of the morning about this. I'm just like, I don't, what? Anyway, what was he harassing you to do? He said he needed my help for what. And then he said, are you alive? I want to be like, should I send this text? I'm like, dude, should I explain myself or not? Oh, it was funny. That's funny. He whipped himself into a frenzy. Also, I don't appreciate you saying brutal week for Craig requesting take back seats for rent. I fucking texted you guys first asking if I should do that and you said yes. I had that text as well. Like, what the fuck? I know you. You. You,

did. That's why I felt like I needed the sunlight because I'm like they're going to say we're all doing takebacks. No, but no, but you said culture of takebacks. You said Craig tried to take back the Ravens bet brutal week for him. We did. I did. I did. I did. I did. Oh, what commissioner are you? You got a rule with an iron fist. I guess. I guess that's what that is. I will say we're leaving out the fact that I did change your roster. You asked me and I did it. No, we didn't make that out. You said it. You said it. Yeah. Yeah, you should have.

It's a glitch. But also, if you ever have to ask the commissioner to do anything and like, I have to go to commissioner tools and like change it, the price of getting everyone to be like, yeah, yeah, the commissioner can edit stuff whenever he wants is like, you got to make fun of the person. It's the toll. No, yeah, I don't, yeah, that's totally fine. It's just the way you did it was to me just like out of control. But maybe. It's truly waking up on a Sunday morning to like a fucking novel of text. Dude, I'm like trying to pack up to drive home from the day.

I'm like, what the fuck is happening right? What is going on? All right. Anyway, Craig lost anyway. I did lose, which again, the roster would have been the same either way. One point, and it would have been really funny if you want. Less than one point. I lost by 0.6.

That's crushing. It would have been way funnier if you had won because of the move. Yeah, the real thing that we got made fun of it for was the Ringer 107 trying to take back the Ravens bet. And then we won. they fucking covered. Yeah. Reverse karma. You know what they always say

about a multiple choice test? Don't actually switch your answer at the last second. Yeah, yeah. Like just keep whatever you said. But wait, isn't there a whole book about how you should change your answer?

It's not like a whole thing. I think it's never changed back. I think it's the idea. I forget what it never, which I guess isn't what we did. Yeah, I read that book. Ooh,

what's it called? It's by a... Didn't we joke once about doing a segment on the show about segments of books we can't remember by titles we don't know. I read this book.

It was really good, by the way. I can't remember what they said who wrote it to the title. But the gist. Or maybe it is. Oh, wow. I can't remember. Fuck. You'll get back to us.

Yeah. All right. Can I read one other fantasy court here? I guess that went. I guess that was worked. Uh, yeah. All right.

We'll do one of the court here. I think this is so. We got to end on something a little happier than that. This is so simple. And, um, it's called Think Again by Adam Grant. There we go. Yes.

Oh, you've talked about that book. It's a good book. And it is about changing your answer often ends up being the right move. Your first answer is really the best. Do we get a fantasy court drop for this next fantasy court? Yeah, we should.

I don't know if you have one. Well, he does the drop. Craig's right. Like, all these people probably think less of me now, which is funny. But he did change Craig's roster. I mean, that's the thing we're leaving out. I did it.

But like, the alternative is you don't because you, to protect the sanctity of the Yahoo glitch? No, I just, I honestly, you're right. I was just speaking, I'm like, oh my God, they're going to be like, rigged and I'm going to be like, I can't deal with this. You're right. I haven't thought everybody else was as unhinged as he is, and he lives in that. I have seen Mallory Rubin veto a trade.

Mallory can unhing yourself at any time for fantasy football. Sean Fantasy did, he responded with some like JFK record. Yeah, the JFK, yeah, yeah, that was good. It's funny. The people who you were the most afraid of, like, didn't even respond and you're like terrified that the CEO probably never read it. No, of course not. I was learning about it like, 2,000 words.

Oh my God. All right. Wait, we do have the drop for this fantasy. Oh, so. All right. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched.

Did we determine if a cloud is an object? We changed our answer on that one. I don't think so. obviously can be seen, but can it be touched? We changed our answer on that. I don't know if we came to a conclusion, Craig. You touch a cloud? Can you touch fog?

Yeah, right? I wouldn't call fog an object. I mean, that's the closest we're going to get, right? Like a smoke machine or a flag? I read the definition again. When a plane flies through a cloud, is it touching the cloud? Yeah, I guess. If you're moving it, you're touching it.

Okay, right? It's an object. I don't know. I guess it depends. whether touch is just since like the perception of touch, like as you perceive it or just literally whether the atoms are touching because like obviously you're touching the cloud. Whether you're receiving it is up to interpretation. Right. Right. Like are we touching air every day. We are. Yeah. Like literally, yeah. Yeah. But we don't think about it. Okay. Ah, wind.

Wind touches us. Yeah. This is like that that sort of riddle or trick or whatever. about how water isn't actually wet. Oh, I know. It just gets you wet. It's like, fuck off. Wet is only when water touches you. Oh, my God.

Yeah. What does that mean? You always post, D.K., your joke is factually incorrect. A guide to dying alone. Oh, I forgot about the second one. Your joke is factually incorrect, a guide to dying alone. That's so good. All right, let's do this fantasy court.

What do we got? This is so simple. I love it. This is from Max. Max. Max, Maximilion. Maxwell. The subject line is just, the subject line is just I accidentally accepted a very

lopsided trade. All right. And the email is, as the subject says, I accidentally accepted a lopsided trade. I don't know what else to say. Look at the offer. It's terrible. I replied, basically told the guy to fuck off. And then I texted my and then he said, and then he just hit the button.

to hit except. He just fat he just sausage finger. He just thumbed the accept button and just hit it. And then immediately about your all time backfires. Immediately he texted the trade guy and the commissioner and he was like, I don't want to do this at all. Please. And he also set in an unhinged text, which is great.

That's clearly the theme of the day. This this text is only three paragraphs. Yeah. This is like seven. So this guy just butt dial accepted a trade, but dial accepted a trade. Like he was after telling the guy to fuck himself. Yeah. I think this is so funny.

And he's asking, like, should we be allowed to undo this trade? Yeah. I mean, yeah. I think yes, it's just funny to think that the answers. I accepted it by accident because I'm an idiot. His eyes just went towards the green button and just clicked accept. Yeah. What do you think, DK?

Undo this, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think my general rule for commissionership is just do what's fair. Yeah. for the good of the league I guess he didn't want to accept this maybe he should

maybe he should have to some sort of punishment for fucking it up though in this text he said I fumbled I slipped in my tremors of laughter I had accept I think every single like whatever site you use like when you hit accept or reject it should say are you sure there should be a second click

yeah I think most of them have that is it Instagram now or TikTok there's some feed where it used to say if you retweeted something it would ask you if you want to retweet it and now it just automatically does which is wild

which is crazy because you're like you can fat thumb it and now you're just retweeting something that you've that's just in your algorithm yeah yeah I'm gonna send Siddy Suweeney's Instagrams to other people's feeds

like that's wild all right I want to read there's an email here I have to read okay this is from M-Bone another M-Bone so M-Bone's breakfast was blueberry muffin

and coffee with oat milk. Oh, that sounds good. I love a blueberry muffin. Blueberry muffin or the goat. Someone just said muffins are breakfast cake, and I was like, fuck. Yeah, they're not very good for you. I don't, I mean, per se. I'm of that age where I tried to learn how to make muffins, and I was like, oh, my

God, is this what's in a muffin? Yeah. And, I mean, it's not like pancakes and French toast are good for you. No. Well, no, but at least I know when I pour liquid syrup that this is dessert, but I didn't realize muffin. Just pure sugar. Yeah, for sure.

I really thought muffins were like a bread cake hybrid and they're basically just cake. I try to leave breakfast pastries to the weekend, you know? Yes. It's like, it's the best I could do. Craig, you're so healthy. I mean, not really. I have like 10 beers in a muffin. Yeah, but all the other aspects of your life, pretty good.

Craig's breakfast, 10 beers, yeah. Anyway, so M. Bone's story. So we asked for Premier League stories because I explained last week. Oh yeah. Shout out Ryan O'Handlin who said I did a good job. That's all the only approval I need is he said that I did okay. Dubundo said you did well too for the record. I was actually prepared for like ridicule.

So I'm happy that I basically got the outline, right? Although I forgot the most important part is that the Champions League is happening at the same time as the Premier League, which is crazy. But anyway, we asked for Premier League facts. Embon had the best one. Embone writes, my favorite Premier League story is the infamous story of Ali Dia in advance. I'm not going to get any of these names right. But Ali Dia, in 19, so anyway, fast forward, or rewind, in 1995, this guy named, I'm sorry, George Wea, W-E-A-H, George Wea-W-A-H, George Wee-Wea, wins the Bologna, which is like the player of the year, like, he's the MVP of all

European soccer. And he, playing for, like, PSG in Milan. And so he's like, you know, the MVP of the whole continent. So there's this other Premier League team named Southampton. And a player actually gets in touch with the front office and gets. the manager on the phone and says, hey, like, I'm George Way's cousin. I grew up with him. Like, we played together. Like, I've beat, like, I also played for PSG. I've played an international competition, like, 13 times. I just need a contract. Like, give me a shot. Like, I'll join

the practice squad. I'll do whatever. Like, just give me a jersey. Just give me a shot, please. And the manager's like, yeah, like, sure. You're the best player in the world's cousin. Sure. So, like, give him a one month contract. And then the team has, like, this injury crisis. and they actually have to dress him for a game, like pretty quickly. And then there's more injuries. So he goes into the game. And this performance, by all accounts, is the worst performance in the history of the Premier League.

Like Nathan Peterman left, like worst performance ever. And it turns out the guy made the whole thing up. Why did they not check any of this? They didn't check any of it. The manager just heard the story. It was like, sure. And they did no due diligence and signed him.

Wait, what year was this? 95. Oh, wow. He just called. and said, I'm the MVP's cousin, and they fucking signed him and then played him. That's so funny. Imagine if that happened now.

And this also isn't a lower-South-Anthin at the time. It was like Premier League. Do you think soccer, like, did he practice for a couple days? And they were like, I don't know about this guy. That's what I don't understand is how he's scrimmaging how he didn't. Oh, about this guy. Who's this guy again? Like, imagine if I was like, I'm Luke Rittenhauer's nephew,

you, let me play in the NBA. Yeah. And I just show up and I'm clearly not good enough. Like, I don't know how that worked. This is even the highest. One of the highest levels of sport. What are we doing? It's the highest level of sport.

What's the fuck? I can't believe this happened. I agree, Craig. That was my question too. How did you? In warmups, you'd be like, this guy. This guy ain't it. This guy's not good.

That guy has no juice. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. That's wild. So he played one game and then got booted? Yes. And then he did.

again to some Swedish team. He did it two more times to two other teams. Wow, this is like catch me if you can, but sports? Yes. Seriously. Honestly, yes. That's crazy. So there you go.

I thought that was wild. And then last email here, just we got a lot of reaction to the cousins thing, the redacted email about should he go. Once again, not actually cousins, but yeah. Not actually, step cousin. Not even that. Not step cousins. They're just people that.

There's two people. Mom's living boyfriend's niece. Yeah. There's two people that have a connection. Yeah. Met through friends, really. They're not even one of the 10% of people that are cousins that get married. So allegedly.

So I wanted to email this. God, is this another M-bone that's crazy? M-bone. M-bone. When I was 15, this is not me writing this. When I was 15, my mom was hanging out with this guy, Barry. And at the time, Barry was introduced to us as her friend. That's not why.

Barry. That alone is funny. Barry. My mom was hanging out with this guy. Barry. Barry. Oh, man. We began attending a lot of Barry's family functions.

Wait, wait, sorry. This kid's 15 and his mom is dating Barry? Yeah. Okay. Barry had a niece also 15. Being 15 and full of hormones, Barry's niece and I acted on this impulse almost immediately. Turns out my mom and Barry more than just friends.

And so they dated for two years and they were just overlapping dating for like. Wow. So like, oh, but they didn't live together. No, it was his niece, not the daughter, but overall. So the mom and Barry were dating while the son and the niece were dating. Yes. So how'd that go? Was it okay?

They broke up, but his point is, so he says, Emboen says, the romance only lasted three months. My mom and Barry were only together two years. But to this day, I am now in my mid-30s. My friends still bring up the time. I fucked my cousin. People don't forget. That was like 10 years ago. It's like eight years ago, asshole.

Again, he should not say cousin. Yeah. It's not cousins. I think the friends brought up. Cousin loosely. Yeah. Last one here. Words,

words mean something. I will say the overwhelming, the emails were basically like, do it. It was a lot of people. Really? Yeah. My friends,

a lot of people were basically had same stories of like there's a whole diverse range, but they all were just versions of, yeah, like someone was dating the guy and then the guys, and the whole thing. theme was, yeah, there's no blood here. Why is it weird? And like, it was honestly 30, maybe 40 to one of people being like, a handful of people are all right. This is fucked up. And it was

30x people being like, oh, just do it, kid. The only, the only argument to not do it is just that it will be really awkward if it doesn't work out at family. Yes. That's, that's pretty much it. That was, that was the argument against is, are you thinking this through? But the tension is also bad. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing worse than everyone knowing you guys have fucked is everyone quietly thinking you should fuck. Like that's also kind of weird. It's not as bad. That's not worse.

True. Yeah. That's good point. Okay. I'm going to read. I can't wait to find out if there's an update to this story someday. We will. So our bone.

Waiting with bated breath. Our bone. Our bone. I want to know the names, but I understand if they want. I'm not, I'm not volunteering these people for this information. Too sick. Too sick and twisted.

Did they either breakfast or what? Oh, you want me to pull it up? Yeah. Our bone might have forgot, but I'll read someone else's breakfast because there's a lot of breakfast. Yeah, just give us a fucking breakfast. This is a lot of bone. Yeah.

Any breakfast will do. Red Bull and a Sig. Oh, okay. Fuck yeah. I love how this guy's living his life. He says, just kidding. But I did say that as a new hire at a corporate icebreaker to a, in my first year of college, and they were appalled.

That's awesome. I like this guy. Appalled. Which ever breakfast. Red Bull and a cigarette. Amazing. And then he gets fired. Celsius and four Zins.

DeBone's breakfast was IKEA, Halterol, Mosley with berries. I don't know what that is. Maybe like yogurt? Sounds like it. Anyway. Arbon's email.

I'm not going to lie. I'm going to, it's really complicated to keep track of some of these stories. So I'm going to paraphrase this email because the names and the, it's too hard to keep track of. So I'm going to tell it,

from the perspective of basically, I'm just going to tell, I'm going to read, do this story, I'm just going to explain it as simply as I can. There is a husband and a wife. They are no relation whatsoever, a normal husband, wife couple. And then the husband's father and his parents are like 92, 93 years old. And the husband's mother passes away. So the husband's father is a widow, now a widower. And husband's mom has passed away.

and I believe the wife's I know where this is going dad has passed away got it and the two parents married each other yeah the husband's dad married the wife's mom

married in their 90s the wife's mom not sure she was in her 90s okay probably 80s yeah and so makes the inheritance go a little easier probably

sure right that one that's there's a lot going on there. I feel like this is in a show or a movie or something. I feel like this is something that we've seen in pop, like pop culture or somehow. But yeah, it's very interesting. I would not be, that would be very weird. Yeah. I mean, husband's dad married the wife's mom. And I, yeah. That's actually kind of unfathable. Applying that to my own life, like when you just like actually think about what that means for yourself if that happened. Yeah, yeah. The funniest thing for our bones. So our bone ends at like, look, some family member thinks it's weird. I think it's

When you're 90, don't have years to date around, just get the companionship. Also, it's not like they're fucking. To which I replied to Arbonne, I get it. But like, dude, they're definitely fucking. If he. If it's just ruined everything. He ruined the relationship with the father because of that. Grow up, count chocula.

Did they need to get married? You know, couldn't they just like see each other? They had to get married officially? Craig. Yeah. They did. Okay. I don't know.

Like That just makes it so much more more official, obviously. Yeah. There are, I've heard a lot of stories about this, that like nursing homes,

people are just crazy horny. It's like the Olympic Village. It's the Olympic Village. Yeah. Why is that? We got nothing to lose at this point. Is it like your hormones start ramping back up

in old air age? Like what's going on? No, I think it's the same reason old people say what's on my mind. Just a lot of single people. They don't give a fuck anymore. So to speak. Like they don't care.

Yeah. Trying to seize the day, Craig. Yeah. Okay. What else they got going on? Apparently, that's like a real thing. Yeah, for sure. And it's like, you know,

not going to get anybody pregnant. Let's go wild. All right. The scene really brought down the vibe. All right, well, we can get out of here. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Ron.

Thank you, Krollers. Thank you, ever emailed in. You know, thank you to Arbonne. Shout out, you know, companionship. Thank you redacted for being vulnerable. Shout out companionship. You know? Yeah.

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Lord. Thank you, George Michael. I was thinking of George Michael Bluth. Bluth. Yeah. Okay. The cousin's thing. You're going to share it with your cousin.

George Michael, great voice. Wham. Yeah. Last Christmas. One of my favorite Christmas songs. There's a video circulating that it's a guy driving a car and doing donuts in an intersection. And like a cop is chasing him. And it's just to the George Michael song.

Shoot, I don't know the name of it. It's just the, it's the most famous one with like the saxophone. Fuck, what's it called? Hold on. Let me look it up. The most famous. Oh, is it George Michael or Wham? Careless whisper.

Yeah. And he's like doing donuts running away from the cops, just like singing. Do do do do do do do. It kind of makes the song slap a little bit. That song, we don't have a word for it, but that song has had like a whole rebirth on social. It has. It has for sure, yeah. It's like the most famous elevator music of all time.

Yeah, yeah. It's a banger. It's basically like a Kenny G song with lyrics. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I'm not going to like Googling George Michael right now. I'm like, he kind of got the Sequin going on with just the one earring of the cross. I actually didn't know that was that old.

He was. Yeah, he was an icon, man. Like, now that Sequin just got the George Michael, it's not so cool. Harrison Ford also been rocking the solo earring for a while. Would you guys ever do an earring? I don't think so. Not now. But when?

I did like the, I did the mid-aughts classic thing where I did like the top of my ear or whatever. You did? Yeah, for a little while. Like in the cartilage up top? Yeah, whatever that's called. How old were you? Like 22 or something like that. Well, was it like a stud?

No, it was a hoop. You had a hoop? So it was like popular in the mid-auts. I would not do that now. What was the inspiration? Is it just like in the water? I don't know. It's just like my buddy and I wouldn't did it.

It's like it, I don't think it like I don't, I haven't seen anyone with this for a very, very long time. Girls. I mean, I've seen a lot of girls. Yeah, a lot of girls do it now. But who what were the how? I'm not going to lie. I don't know what the origin of the earrings are like was just everyone. I don't know.

I don't know. It was a thing for a while. How long do you rock it? Not very long. Did it hurt? It was kind of on a lark. What's that? Did it hurt?

No, not really. Was this at a mall? No. You guys know about my stupid tattoo, right? Where I got a freckle tattoo? Didn't you just get a dot to say you have a tattoo? Yeah, me and my friend got dots on her arms. It looks like shit now.

It just looks like a freckle. Oh, it's terrible. It's on my forearm. It's like all faded. It looks like crap. It looks badass. You look like a sailor. You sailor you.

You sailor you. Sailor you. Sailor. Wait, will you show it to the camera? Oh, yeah, if I can, yeah. It's like, gonna be really hard to see. Because it's a 10-year-old dot. It's got on Zoom, man.

Oh, no, just get closer. Oh, my God, there it is. You have multiple freckles. I can't tell which one is. It is a different color than your other freckles. It's that. Could this be the thumbnail? Just Craig pointing.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Anyway, I'm inked up. What was the tattoo artist response to you saying, I want a dot? I think she was like, you guys are fucking losers. I bet she's, personal puzzle story. Yeah, because we took us a while because there's like a minimum payment required to just like break out a new needle essentially. So it was always like 100 bucks,

150 bucks wherever we, we tried in New York and then LA because it was with my buddy who I lived in New York with after I graduated. And we couldn't find anybody who would do it for a reasonable price because we're like, hey, it's literally a dot. And then somewhere in L.A., I think they did it for like 20 bucks. 20 bucks. I mean, I'm like, that's a dot. Come on. If I give you $20, Will you just go, bz? Yeah. It was worth it to send the photo to my family of, like, me in the middle of getting a tattoo,

and then we sent it to my family group chat just to freak them out. Did you put like a giant covering, like the plastic covering or whatever? Oh, yeah. We definitely handed up and tried to me to see like I was getting like the Ben Affleck Phoenix on my back. Like you want to see my new arm piece? That's good. If did you ever get tatted up? I have a couple.

store yeah oh really think jack and i yeah couple in store matching we're thinking it yeah i think i think i think i want the outline i want my cat's ears because they clip my cat's ears see now you guys are gonna bring it out but they clip the cat's ears because it's like where you're gonna get it so uh now you're like fuck he's talking about the cat but i want just don't do the voice one ear i love my cat but are you going to do it on the kind of like on the small of your back honestly so when you bend over people can see it. That's pretty good. I like that.

You know, I never thought of that. You know, if I reach up for something really tall, you can see it. It's sexy. It's provocative.

That's good. I think the punishment next year should be, I think punishment next year we should have like a temporary tramp stamp tattoo. Yeah, temporary tattoos.

Sure. Like a henna? Yeah. Sure. Those are great. My brother got one of those last. Like a week or one. My brother got one of those like tattoos

because he basically, I get the idea where he was like, I wanted, I think I want a tattoo in this one place. And he was like, there's like a year long tattoo. And he's basically, I want to live with it for a year. And then if I like it, we'll get it like done. Yeah. And I was like, it's just going to dissolve into your blood. Like it just goes away.

That seems a little weird. He was like, yeah. So anyway, two and a half years later, I was like, is that thing going away? He's like, no, no, no, I think they lied. Really? It's good, though. He got it touched up, though, for real. But it was just, I was like, yeah, I'm excited.

You know what? I was just thinking of the other piercing that used to be really. popular was like the bar that goes through two spots in the year yeah yeah yeah they're called they're like a what are those called industrial or I can't remember what they're called but we should have that be a punishment you have to get one of those keep it in for six months no didn't you veto the piercing as the punishment this year at the draft mm I don't think so who did I don't know I don't know it's called an industrial

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