The Ringer NFL Show - Mock Madness: Draft Underdogs, Perfect Fits, and Overhyped Stars

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

Today, the guys open by sharing their instant reactions to the New York Jets trading WR Elijah Moore to the Cleveland Browns (1:32). Next, they briefly discuss C.J. Stroud’s pro day and what the significance of this event is for the Ohio State QB (7:34). Later, they walk through DK’s most recent mock draft on The Ringer’s 2023 NFL Draft Guide by comparing draft prospects to narratives from this year’s March Madness tournament (14:35). Finally, they close with a couple of emails (41:47). Check out our 2023 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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NFL Draft show. My name is Danny Hyfitts. I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Solic and Craig Horlebeck. And today we're going through Dekke's mock draft. We're back. We're back. Go to NFLDraft.3.com for the best draft guide in the business

because DK is back with another mock draft. NFledraft.3R.com. We're going to go through that. Mark Madness? Because it's March Madness and we're going to compare. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Topical.

Love it. We're comparing D.K.'s Mark draft to various things in March Madness. We're also going to talk about C.J. Stroud's Pro Day, which I don't know what pro days are and why we do them. But we'll get to that. But first, Jets trade Elijah Moore to the Browns? Yeah. For, like, Elijah Moore and a third round pick for a second round pick. And Elijah Moore was a second round pick.

D.K., what happened to two years ago when the Jets drafted Elijah Moore and spent all of August being like, wow, this is the greatest person who's ever walked the earth? I can't believe that he even fell to the second round. We love this person. Be still a beating heart because the Jets loved Elijah Moore so much. What the fuck? How did they get rid of this guy? Why?

He felt victim to the Kyle Shanahan School of coaching slash inspiration. He got in a fight with the coaches, and it's just never been the same sense. Obviously, Matt Leflare is no longer with the Jets. But I think the bridge is already burned. Matt's little brother, Mike, was the offensive coordinator. Sorry, Mike. Anestuous tree. Right.

So yeah, it just seems like the well was poisoned and there was no going back from what I heard behind the scenes. Ooh. Wow. I mean, this is what's been reported too. And if you're like a body language expert like I am like just seeing how he has reacted since the whole situation where he got benched essentially he asked for a trade. They didn't give him a trade. They've been talking about how much they want him to be a huge part of like their future. And then they're playing like Braxton Barrios over him and things like that.

like whatever. Like I'm just so glad he's free from this team. And now he gets to thrive because I really like Elijah Moore. I think he's super talented. Do you think the Jets and the Packers were talking and they're like, hey, which receiver does Aaron not really care for? And they're like, Elijah Moore.

And they're like, perfect. We'll get a second round pick for him and then give that to you. I don't care for Job. How old is Elijah Moore? Oh, he's 24? Yeah, that's no. Get rid of him. He's 22.

He's too young. I think. 22. Whatever he is. He's too young for Aaron Rogers to, to even think about throwing a pass to. Elijah Moore 100% fills the exact role on the offense that Randall Cobb would fill if it was a jet.

Just as a fun fact. Just throwing that out there. With no agenda. Just you know to come with a random name. Like who would fill this exact same role? The Jets just vacated with Elijah Moore. Randall Cobb could work. Yeah.

That's where we're at. You know what's funny about all this is, so the Jets a month ago had Elijah Moore, obviously, Garrett Wilson. They still have Corey Davis. He could get cut. And now they have still have Garrett Wilson.

They have Alan Lazzard. McColl Hardman they signed. Their receivers are worse. They have a worse team now at wide receiver than they did a month ago. Do you not agree? Yes, I agree. The receivers are worse. Sharehand School of Motivation, baby.

This is why the timing between young quarterback and veteran receivers, veteran quarterback and young receivers and how they develop, how they come along is so important. Because the Jets, like it's, It's like in the rom-com where they go, we never just got the timing right within the first like eight minutes. And you're like, oh, you guys are going to end up together by the end of this movie. The Jets never got the timing right with their offensive weapons,

with their offensive system working. So now Zach Wilson, Al and Mike LaFleur, who is the O.C. Now he's gone. And now Elijah Moore is out. And they're just going to keep on trying to cycle in new names at wide receiver, at office coordinator at quarterback until eventually something clicks. I don't know if any of you guys have seen any of Ted last season three. But basically the guy who's coaching West.

literally points to like there's some of the sideline the paint and he's like, go stand there. He's like, this is the dumb, dumb line. It's for dumbdums. And he just, that's kind of, I feel like what the Jets have done to make Elijah Moore so upset. He's like, that's the Shadahan school. Just like get in dumb dumb line, Elijah

Moore. So I don't know. I don't understand but whatever. Aaron Rogers has his own ideas. I look at the Brown's death chart and I just get angry because I, like defensively I think the team is so bad. and so undersized.

And, like, they tried to solve a little bit of that this year. But, like, the defensive roster to me is a huge problem. Offensively now, this wide receiver room is rounded out. Amari Cooper, Donovan People's Jones, Anthony Schwartz, Elijah Moore, and David Bell, which, like, you know, obviously Amari being the big name there. But People's Jones, Anthony Schwartz, David Bell, and Elijah Moore, those are all drafts fixed in the last three years. All of them have nice little roles.

And they're all filled a little bit of a different role, right? Schwartz is like this absolute track star. Donovan Peele Jones is downfield threat. David Bell is a big slot. Elijah Moore is a slot separator. Like they built this wide receiver room quite nicely. They, they, expectation should be high for the Browns offense as they built it. Obviously, going and trading for Deshaun Watson, giving him the contract they gave him,

putting so many eggs in that basket. Defensive issues aside, this offense is theoretically ready. They should be a very, very good offense next year. Lastly, before we move on, the Aaron Rogers thing went from all we were talking about. And now we're just like, yeah, yeah, he's going to get traded, but we don't know when. So what the hell? Like, when is this going to happen? Because there's only really three dates left. It's the draft, because that's when the picks in the trade will be used up. And then if he doesn't get traded by the draft, there's the beginning of training camp. And then if he doesn't get traded

by the beginning of training camp, the real deadline of the whole deal is the Packers have to pay him $59 million by week one. And so I'm curious, D.K., so I think that is this going to get done by the NFL draft or not? Like, yes or no? Do you guys think Aaron Rogers is a jet by the draft? Or are we going to be dealing with this all summer? Yes or no, D.K. Aaron Rogers is a jet by the end of the draft. You asked me two questions, though. You said it either or how to answer that with a yes or no. All right, fine, which one? Fine. Draft, training camp or week one? Pick one. When does Rogers become a jet? Hmm. Training camp. Select. Before the draft. If we're being precise. I hope he's right. I hope you're right.

If we're being precise, April 25th at 535 p.m. It's a Tuesday. There we go. 36,000 before the drafts, it'll be great. If we're leading to the full circle in this, it'll be week one because Brett Farv decided to come back in like July. And that was why the Jets had to trade him or the Packers that had trade him to the Jets was because Brett Farv came back.

It was like, actually, I might play for the Packers. So I don't know. Maybe just, I don't know, whatever. All right. Moving on. CJ Stroud, Ohio State. Had his pro day today. And it's just pro day season.

So Bryce Young and Alabama's later this week, Florida. and then Kentucky and Will Levis this week and then Anthony Richardson and Florida next week. So it's Ced Strowds in shorts and he's throwing to another guy in shorts and why does this matter? So like why?

We've seen him throw in pads. We've seen him throw against actual defenders. Organized defenders also in pads. Why do we care? He can throw football. So the long answer is usual drafts tomfoolery.

It's a, the protest really an anachronism, right? Previously, when the NFL Combine wasn't as large of an event as it was and 300 players coming, and previously when film wasn't digital and we couldn't just send over Kennesaw State film

to all of the 32 NFL teams, they could watch the guy who didn't get a chance to go see during the season. When you needed to have in-person exposure of these guys and you need to get legit measurements on dudes and whatever, pro days were really valuable, right? Austin Echler right now, making big headlines

because he's trying to get a big contract out of the Chargers. Back in the day, man, Austin Echler was a undrafted free agent at a Western Colorado, who only got on the Chargers radar because he was able to worm his way into the Colorado Pro Day. And his agent was like, hey, my guy's going to work out after their Pro Day. You guys want to hang out for 30 minutes. Like he's talking to Chargers scouts. Like, not GMs, like scouts. They just watch my guy work out. Like, just see what his numbers are going to look like. He looks great. Trust me, you're going to like this guy a lot. Talk with him a little bit. And then Eckler works out

and the charges like, well, no promises. But yeah, cool, whatever. And then they bring him in his UDFA. And fast forward five years, he had like a bajillion touchdowns. Like for those, Those sorts of guys, that grassroots aspect of like finding players, finding late round guys, dudes that people aren't on about, like, small school, regional players, regional pro days, these sorts of things are very important. For somebody like CJ Stroud, we've got, you know, he played Georgia. We went to the combine and we got the information we need. However, it's still a potential number one overall pick throwing the football.

It's still another opportunity to have a conversation, right? You saw the clips of him with Frank Reich and Josh McCown. the head coach, a quarterback's coach of the Carolina Panthers, you now have the number one overall pick. There's pictures of them, like, talking to him, dapping him up. Frank Reich had his phone out, like a fan of a Taylor Swift concert, just videotaping CJ Stroud throwing the ball.

Like, you look like a dad. It's like, CJ Stroud's dad. Just like, look at my boy. Look at that throw. It's a good throw, man. And so it's, even if you understand academically, you're like a Panthers GM or front office member,

owner or whatever, you understand academically, the CJ Stroud Pro Day as like 99.9% chance of not changing your mind, you still want to go because you might give this guy the first year world picking a massive contract, give the keys of the franchise for five years. It could be good, maybe just talk to

them one more time and just, you know, check in. So that's where you get like the CJ Stroud excitement from. And the Panthers will be going to the Alabama pro day, like rapid portal to Portland Network, they'll be going to Alabama, we'll be going to Kentucky, they'll be going to Florida. And to see all these star quarterback's throw and weigh the pros and cons have given those guys

the keys. D.K. The whole thing is ridiculous. It is. At NFL draft, off the ringer.com, DK's got his mock draft. You have C.J.

Stroud going to the Carolina Panthers with the number one pick and the Panthers traded up. When did you realize during the pro day that you were right? Was it Josh McCown, the quarterback? Was it the first time

he slapped C.J. Stroud's shoulder? Was it the second? Third, four, fifth, six or seventh? Like LeBron counting the rings at the decision? Like, which of the seven did you realize,

okay, yes, I'm correct. He's going to try to feel how, like, sturdy he is, you know? Get the sturdiness factor. For a prospect of this caliber, like, it's silly. This whole thing is silly. They go through what is literally a scripted session.

Literally every pass is on a script, which he's practiced like however many times, 100 times. And he completes these passes and then that's it. I don't know. What's a good analogy for that? I don't know. It's just so ridiculous.

I would say like job interview is, right? I mean, when you show up for job interview, it's not exactly the same. But you're pretty sure they're going to ask you like, hey, strength and weaknesses. Hey, at your old job, what did you like about it? Hey, like, why do you think you're a culture fit for us? Obviously, like, it's not 100% of a script, but, you know, there are analogies.

But it's like a job interview if you got to write the questions and then answer. I'm so mad. I've somehow become defend pro day guy. I don't want to be defend pro day guy. Pro days are dumb. But there are. You've paid yourself into a corner here, Ben. This is a bad call by me.

Also, do these events, like, pro day, combine, anytime a quarterback is throwing in front of scouts and teams and whatever, doesn't it just like, is. Isn't it an advantage for the pocket passers? Because like it's kind of harder to have a practice where you're showing your athleticism and your scrambling ability and all that like off-script stuff. So do you think people just fall in love? It's like why the Niners maybe wanted Mac Jones because they would just sit back and watch him like throw dimes left and right at these pro days.

And they're like, oh man, maybe we should start talking ourselves into Mac Jones. Somebody has not seen the 2021 Zach Wilson Pro Day throw, D.K. I know. I could tell you were thinking about as I was thinking about it. And look, I've said this multiple times on this pod. We're all human beings. We can be swayed by stupid bullshit. And I remember very distinctly, very vividly watching Zach Wilson's pro day.

And he sprinted out to his left or like booted out or whatever. And like flicked a ball like 60 yards like going the up as a direction. And I was like, okay, that's pretty impressive. Maybe this guy is legit. Even though like I didn't like him as much as the rest of like, Twitter or whatever. And I got swayed by that shit. And so I think that's actually in the top of my mind.

And then the next year, sorry, it was the same year, but then a little bit later, they had Justin Fields do the same pass essentially. And then people were like, oh, yeah, like, he can do it too.

And Justin Fields wasn't quite as impressive, but like, whatever. So, like, I would say the opposite is true, Craig. Like, when they were getting outside of the pocket and throwing it on the move

and, like, showing off, like, their Patrick Mahomesiness or their Aaron Rogers'ness, ability to, like, throw, on the move and all that. I'm just saying you literally can't show

what you're doing with your legs. Like Lamar Jackson. You just have to be a psycho like Russell Wilson and visualize all 21 other people on the field and then pretend that, oh my God, Anthony Richards are like a guy coming in and then just simulate an entire drive as if there's other people in the field.

Anthony Richardson can't dodge tacklers at a pro day which is like part of his whole thing. Why he's impressive is because he's like also a running back but like you just can't see that at a pro day. Pro days are they're limited in scope. It's scripted throws. and it's what you've been working on whenever. With that said, if you have a trick shot in your bag

where you can throw 65 yards down the field off one foot, it's good to show the trick shot in your bag, right? Again, think job interview. You can, you know, you got a firm handshake, show off that firm handshake. If there's something they can remember you buy, right? Oh, there's that guy with the nice tie, put on the nice tie. I always laughed.

This is just an incredible way for billion-dollar companies to choose their most important employees. Okay, next up here. We got mock madness. We decided to go a little March Madness route And again, NFLdraft.3.com. DK.'s mock draft is up. And we're going to do it March Madness style.

Craig, if you would like to lead us through this, because you know more about basketball than I do. Well, we're just going to compare some of DK's selections where he placed players to kind of like storylines, narratives, archetypes of March Madness. There's always an upset that happens. There's always a one seed that flounders too early. There's always a middling seed who outperforms their expectations.

or they were underseeded because of a bad regular season. So we're going to go in through D.K.'s mock, pick out some mock draft archetypes. And we're going to start with Purdue, which was the bane of everyone's bracket this year because Purdue was a one seed and lost to a 16 seat for the first time, or sorry, for the second time ever in college basketball history. It happened, I think, three or four years ago, Virginia lost as a one seed. And Purdue blew it to Fairleigh Dickinson University, shouts out FDU. Not even. Not very.

Not very Dickinson. Just fairly Dickinson. Sorry, I'm probably like the millionth person to make that joke. I was right behind you, man. I was there. I was there. One millionth person. Congrats.

All right, so, D.K., I want to know who the Purdue is in your mock draft. Who's a guy going in the top five or ten who just has the chance to truly flame out and be a massive bust? You had to pick one. So I've got Anthony Richardson going to the Colts. And for the same. reasons. Like, we talked about this a couple of years back with Tray Lance and how he had, we thought, the highest odds of just being a bus based on the fact that he didn't have a ton of passes

in college. He had just taken a year off. There was multiple variables that were going. He was playing at a lower level of competition. Richardson doesn't have all those same variables because he was playing in the SEC, all that stuff. But at the end of the day, like, he just doesn't have very much experience. We haven't seen him play quarterback that much.

He hasn't played quarterback that much in his life. like especially relative to a lot of the other guys in this class or a lot of other guys in recent classes like just the amount of passes he's made. I think that just raises the volatility factor that he brings to the table. I really like him. I think he's like one of the most exciting players in this draft like full stop. But the bus factor is definitely there with him. Just like we don't know exactly what he is as a pastor yet because he isn't developed

into that guy yet. It's kind of the perfect example too because Anthony Richardson is a huge person. Purdue had that was Zach 80, seven foot four. Zach Ety. And Ferry, Fairly, Ferry, whatever it is. Ferry Dickinson. Shortest Ferry. In all college basketball.

It's Fairly Dickinson. I know, but I like the bit about Fairly versus very, what you said, fairy for it. Oh, I thought that you guys were saying before. You said fairly? That's why they joke that it's not. What? You said very?

How did you miss that old joke? Like it was a fairy tale run. I thought that was the bit. Wow. No, because then Ben and D.K. were like, it's not very Dickens. And it's just fairly Dickinson. The whole time I thought it was like Tinkerbell.

I don't know. Remarkable that you missed that. Anyway, it's incredible. Anyway, they, I forget what I was saying. But Cinderella's Tinkerbell, I don't know. They were in my head. They were connected. I don't know.

Anyway, whatever I would say, they're short. And there is the thing of Bryce Young, shortest quarterback ever. And we're all kind of obsessed with Anthony Richardson. But I don't know how we've gotten this far into the draft season without talk about the family guy mystery box. And so, like, isn't that ultimately what we're talking about with Anthony Richardson. It's like you can have a boat or what's in the mystery box. It could even be a boat.

No, because the boat that Anthony Richardson might be in the mystery box is better than the other boats that you can see. It's like, hey, you could get this, you know, like here's like a two seat and speed. I don't know how boats work. I don't need a bathboard. No, let's play this one out. Go continue. Continue. What kind of boat? Yes. Two seating. Two seat speed boat, right? It's like nice, whatever. You go fast and that's great. Put the kids in the back. Or the mystery box, Anthony Richardson, which is like, which is like, which is like, which is like big leather seats.

Do you put leather seats on boats, man? I don't know. And it's got a lot of room and it can go even faster and so on and so forth. It's an improved boat. It's a cigar boat. I would say the most family chemistry box theorem event so far this draft season has been the potential of Tyree Wilson, the edge rush around of Texas Tech,

going above Will Anderson, the edge rush around Alabama. Because that's the most like, listen, Tyree Wilson could be anything, man. He could even be like a 10-sack player. Which is what Will Anderson is. And he's younger and it did in the SEC. So let's just take, and he doesn't have injury history as bad. So let's just take that guy.

We wouldn't have to worry about Tyree. D.K. has Tyree Wilson going five to the Seahawks, which is an extremely Seahawksy pick that I wouldn't be surprised to see. And to me, Tyree Wilson's another potential Purdue where he's a big, he's a big guy. And he's very highly ranked. But he is an older player, did not produce much early in his career. He's had multiple foot fractures. scary profile in terms of

high ceiling if he stays healthy and he is what we think he is. Low floor though, in terms of some of the red flags that pop up on his profile. I was wondering about Tyree Wilson because the next one we wanted to do here was the four seed who loses to the 13th seed

like the UVA award for losing to Furman. And I feel like in the NFL draft you kind of can look back, maybe not every year, but there's always, there's very often a player that goes top 10, top 12, very high in the first round. And there's a player at the same position that went in the back of the first round

that's just straight up better. And I was wondering about, I'm wondering who that might be, that pair might be where there's one guy in the top of the first and one guy in the back of the first where the guy going later is better. And I was wondering if that was actually Tyree Wilson

and like a Lucas Van Ness or someone at Iowa. But I don't think is there someone that sticks out to you as like the 413 matchup? That's actually a pretty interesting one in terms of pairing those two guys. Because stylistically, Tyree Wilson and Lucas Van Ness are both like big, long, you know, power type players.

The other guy that I was thinking you could include in this discussion is Miles Murphy from Clemson, who I have going number eight to the Falcons, who he has everything in terms of traits, like he has an elite getoff. I think he has maybe the best getoff in terms of his first step quickness

in this class, but then he doesn't finish as much as you'd like, you know what I mean? And so it's a little bit concerning. I just have that in the back of my mind every time we talk about Miles Murphy. So he gets off, but he doesn't finish. Interesting.

Okay, Craig, I'm so glad you said it. Can I tell you guys something about the defensive ends? I've been wanted to say this for six months. The way we talk about defense events is to change. Every time he's got to get off, he's got to penetrate, and then he's got to finish. It's like, explode into the backfield.

It's like, explode. It's ridiculous. Every word. You guys use. And it's like, I'm the weirdo. Me? Stop saying the guy's got to get off, penetrate, bend, and finish. It's ridiculous.

I mean, look, there are a lot of very sexual terms in scouting. Like, I've been wanting to do an actual whole show where we just like, It's two truths and lie, but are these sexual moves or scouting terms? Oh, that's amazing. You guys nixed that idea because it was like a little too graphic. Maybe we'll actually do that. Was I on that call when we nixed it? I would have gained that green line.

It sounds good in theory. And then when you start putting words to it, you're like, oh, this is, we're children. This is not going to look good. Listen, first step explosiveness. All right. And then I like to, I like to do like, you know, like finish at the quarterback, right? finish the rep, which I feel like can be a little bit better. Penetrate, there's nothing to be done with penetrate.

It's a penetration. It's a penetration game. It's a one-gap penetrator. It's about what it is. Jesus, he's a gap penetrator. Jesus. One gap guy? Two-gap guy.

It's just like two on the nose. But yeah, anyway. So if Miles Murphy's a guy that you think is kind of could potentially underperform in the top 10, who's a guy in the bottom 10 you think could beat him? I think, and Soak is going to disagree with me on this because I think he hates Lucas Van Ness. But I like Van Nass. but I like Van Ness.

I think he's... At least you've got Van Ness in the back of the first round. Okay, there we go. DJ's mock. Daniel Jeremiah, a friend of all network, had him going 10 to the Eagles. I was a unhappy camera.

Oh, yeah. That's one for you. I think Lucas Van Ness has really exciting traits. And like Ben has pointed out, like he's just not a complete football player yet, but he's very young. And that's how he separated from guys like Tyree Wilson. He has a ton of traits,

but he's like 24 years old. Keon White, again. A ton of traits, but he's like going to be 24 years. old as a rookie. Lucas Van Ness, very young, and I think he has more upside in terms of skill as a player catching up to his physical potential down the line. So Van Ness is a guy who I could see being like a better player down the line and you could maybe get him later in the draft. I don't know for sure now at this point, but I think he is a good one that fits that profile.

Miles Murphy, yeah, Miles Murphy's got to be the Virginia because Virginia always disappoints in the tournament except for the one time that they won it, which is like, okay, great. but if you go back and you look at Clemson, Clemson pass rushers in the drafts, man, and you talk, like, well, we can just go like early first round guys, and we talk Vic Beasley in 2015, eighth overall pick to the Falcons, which is exactly what Miles Murphy is right now, eighth overall pick to the Falcons and D.K.'s mock.

Shaq Lawson in 2016, went 19 overall, and then Cleland Furrell in 2019 went fourth overall. No, this is just not, they're a great college program, but, like, if you start doing some Helmets Cowan, you start worrying about it. Murphy's a guy to me where if he was going to be the dude we thought it could be,

he would have been it by now. Both Clemson guys, both him and Brian Brisei. Brisei? Not Brez, which is what I always want to say. B-R-E-S-E-E-E? Whatever you think it is, it's not that. And then the second thing you think it is,

it also isn't that. It's something completely out of left field. Does it rhyme with Prezzi, like that presentation thing? Like Prezzi-B-E? I feel like it's Brezze. I think it's Brezze. I think it's Brezzi. regardless, Brian, both Clemson players are to be like,

I think they're getting over ranked right now. And, yeah, those guys below for sure that I would prefer to have along the defensive line. I want to also point out as Austin pointed out in the chat, shouts Austin. Van Ness, he never technically even started a game at Iowa, which is wild. He's going to be probably a first round pick,

maybe a top 10 pick. However, the context there is Iowa just starts their seniors and their guys that have been like longer tenured there to have, I guess, like, starts next to their name or whatever. They had Van Ness on the field for the most important downs. Third and eight with the game in line, Van Ness is out there. All right, next up here.

We got the Arkansas player. Yeah, this is the team. Arkansas was like a top five team to start the season. They were great. And then they had like a bunch of injuries and had a rough stretch in the middle of the year. And then they were an eight seat. And they beat Kansas. They took down Kansas the number one seat.

And now everyone's like, oh yeah. Arkansas got healthy at the right time. And they're just as good as like a one or a two seed despite being an eight. So like who is who is the, Who was the guy who had a weird season, whether it was injury, the team situation, the fit wasn't right? And they actually are just a one seed hiding as an eight seed. Right. I think the perfect, this is the perfect analogy for Jackson Spitting Jigba from Ohio State.

Who? Receiver. In 2021, absolutely ludicrous production. You know, one of the most exciting players from like a prospect point of view. Like people in the dynasty community were talking about this guy is like a generational prospect type player. You know, he was playing alongside Chris Oliva and Garrett Wilson. and still being like one of the most productive guys on the field. And then he hurt his hamstring and barely played in 2022.

And everybody just decided that he was like a slow slot guy that the NFL just doesn't want. You know what I mean? And so like in the past few months, he's been talked about as a late rounder, maybe, maybe not even a first rounder like a, sorry, a late first rounder. And maybe not even a first round or maybe a second rounder just because he's like a slow slot guy. Like that was sort of the narrative that we had coming into, you know, the draft season. or whatever. And then I feel like over the last three, four weeks, especially after the combine, people remember this guy's fucking good at football because they watched him run some routes at the

combine. Like, it's just, it blows my mind because I've, I've had him like really high in my rankings the entire time. I just think he's really good football player. And then also, by the way, he tested really well in almost every category. He ran his 40 at the, um, at his pro today at Ohio State and he ran like a four, five two or something like that, which is fine. That's absolutely within the realm of there's a lot of elite receivers in the NFL that run that time. And so he ended up being like really above average as an athlete.

And so I think all these narratives that we had coming in, like coming out of the college season and into the draft season where he was basically a fringe first rounder, that's out the window. He's probably going to be like a top 15 pick now. I started, I have a note on my phone

with my notes for the 2023 draft. I started it 15 months ago before the 22 draft watching the Rose Bowl for Ohio State, Utah. When Jackson, Smith, and Jigba and Stroud broke every record for the Rose Bowl, and in that game, which I feel like doesn't actually get talked about enough. I know it's one game, whatever.

47 yards and 347 yards. It's one of the best games I've ever seen from college football. One of the most cardinal rules of scouting is like throughout the bowl games, throw out the bowl games. They don't matter. I know, but it was really cool. It was like a pro day.

So lack, I was there. Utah had a, legit running back playing corner. Because the amount of guys who they had to opt out and be injured. Like, they had nobody. So the entire time you're watching that game. I remember where I was watching that game. You're going like, this doesn't matter.

This doesn't matter. This doesn't matter. This doesn't matter. And then once he clears the 300th receiving yard, you're like, all right, this might matter a little bit. This is awesome. That game will live in my memory forever. Even take away that game, he had 80 catches for 1,300 yards.

Like, he still had an incredible season next to two top 10 picks. You know what I mean? Like, he is awesome. He's really good at football. And I think it's like everybody forgot about that for whatever reason. And now if you look around at like mock drafts, Craig, this is the analogy now. Like, oh, yeah, this guy's actually really good. If you look at most mock drafts now, I think he's starting to go creep up into like the top 15, top 10.

I would do disgusting, disgusting things for Jackson Smith and Jigba to fall to the Giants of 25. Yeah. Like unspeakable. So it's very interesting because this all started with like there was a, like there was day where like Jackson Smith and Jigba was kind of the conversation topic on draft or whatever. And I distinctly remember Dane Bruegler of the athletic who like in terms of knowing their stuff like Dane is on is one a woman unparalleled. Yeah. Dane basically was like, he's incredible. Dane basically was like the league does not view Smith and Jigba as like a clear

first round receiver. They do not view him as a consensus top receiver in the draft. They don't view him as a guy who can play on the outside. They think this is a slot receiver. And accordingly, there's a good chance he's not in round one. And then since then we've done like Well, of course, obviously, because he's slow and he's actually not that physical and he's not that big and he isn't that good. And the hamstring injury wasn't that real. And then we like turned up back up and we're like, oh, it turns out he's more athletic than we thought. And he's actually quite quick and he's got really good hands. And oh, Jordan Addison is super small.

And now we're kind of back to where we were, which was Smith & Jig was the most talented receiver in this class, got a couple warts, not ideal on the outside. But whatever, he's the best guy is going to go early. And I wonder if over the next month we get that exact same sensation. We're now that his name is kind of back popping, we're going to get people saying, oh, well, the NFL just thinks he's just a slot. And if he's just a slide, they're not going to take him early. Draft season's too long. This just lasts too long. I wanted to add the one last thing on Jackson, Smith, and Jigba, I think is kind of interesting.

And I'm not comparing these two players apples to apples, but somebody, and I apologize for not remembering who it was, but somebody shared the commentary of Justin Jefferson at the Combine while they were, like, doing all the workouts, like, Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, whoever was on the NFL network talking about it. And it was like, you could like insert like one for one exactly what they're saying about Smith and Jigba for Justin Jefferson. Like, oh, this guy, he's mostly like a slot receiver. Like he did almost all of his work in the slot. You know, maybe not quite his supposed to.

Yeah. And so like, I'm not saying that Smith and Jigba is Justin Jefferson. But I think that going from the college game to the pros is like always you have to project a little bit. The question mark is like can Smith and Chigua plan on the outside? I don't know the answer to that. I think I would say probably. Even though he wasn't asked to do that in college, in the same way that we saw Justin Jefferson,

who almost played exclusively in the slot his last season in college, then he is like he runs everywhere. He's awesome. And AJ Brown, by the way, did the exact same thing. He was almost exclusively in the slot in college. He plays everywhere, a very different body type. But it doesn't mean you can't do it in the pros. I love Jackson's with Injibah.

All right. Is there any of their Arkansas? Any other guys who had bad fit, injuries, whatever, that if they, I mean, honestly, Travis Kelsey is an example. of a guy that like had a bunch of injuries and like was in Grankowski that ended up being. Even George Pickens, right? Like George Pickens would have been like a top

15 years. George Pickens. That's a good one. Are there any other guys? Yeah, one other guy comes to mind and he was injured for huge sections of his college score. It wasn't just last year, but Luke Musgrave, tight end out of Oregon State who is extremely, extremely athletic, not just from like a straight line speed point of view,

but like he is a multi-sport athlete. we did a test on this a couple Is he the Alpine Skier? Yes, Alpine Skii lacrosse, track and field, I think. That's a lot of really, really athletic. And by the way, he's got NFL bloodlines, the Musgrave family. And so like there is a lot to like here.

He just doesn't have a lot of production from college. And it's just like a big question mark, essentially like what he's going to be in the pros. But he could be the type of guy who gets taken in the end of the first round and two or three years down the line, he's like Tyler Eifford or something like that in the NFL, like scoring a ton of touchdowns, you know, running up the scene.

Is I for your comp? I had Mike Gisicki, but I'm changing it to Eifert because it dawned on me. Actually doing this mock, I sent him to the Bengals and it dawned on me. I'm like, holy shit, this guy is very similar to Eifert. By that you mean I'll take him in the 11th round of my fantasy draft and he'll never play football?

Ifer was a common comp for Gassiki when Gassiki came out. So there you go. Just this tall, linear jumping white tight end, baby. We got them. We got a peg in this family. I think Musgrave is a little thicker than Gisicki, or at least he's more capable as a blocker. It's so like reaching in for like a like a. I mean, a lot of shit, Daniel directly near his mic.

That was awesome. I was trying to do it quietly. That was like when Kevin Durant was on Bill's pot and he was just eating pretzels on Mike. He's like, I'm fucking Kevin Durant. I don't care. While I was halfway in there, I was like, oh, that's all right. Kaya's going to be able to take this out. No problem.

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Those are quality cough drops, maybe. They don't give you that like sour. Cherry is the best cough drop flavor. Obviously. I mean, everybody knows this. I also don't have cherry flavor right now. Again, this was discussed previously. If anyone's listening to this that's like under 30,

that's what awaiting you in your life. Eventually you're going to have opinions on cough drops and everything. It's like it's so downhill once you leave college. I can't even tell you. It's very true. It's like house stuff and how to get better gut health. Before we're on the show, all these guys talk about is like, oh yeah, I got to sand my deck. It's like, oh, God, I don't go home.

So hard. It's like all these three talking about it. If you're sanding your deck after you've constructed it, I mean, what are you thinking? You have to be standing before him. I suppose if you're like laying down primer or painting, then obviously you're going to have to hand it there, but still ridiculous. Embarrassing for you mostly. All right.

I also want to do a Michigan State award here. Which, I don't know if this exactly works, but basically Michigan State, I feel like made the Sweet 16 because Thomas was just this legendary coach. You absolutely maximized all the guys in his team, and they have this cool New York point guard who's like clearly at his best as like a vet

in Thomas's system. They lost 12 games. Michigan State was 19 and 12. They were a 7 seed. And then they just beat Marquette, the number two seed. It's like, great. Every year, It's just Tom Mizo. It doesn't matter who he's got. He makes it work.

You know what it reminds me of? It's like sometimes I feel like in March madness, you have to remind yourself it's like horses. Don't bet on horses, bet on jockeys. It's like I can't believe I had Tom. I had Shaka Smart beating Tom Izzo and anything. Yeah,

Shaka Smart, great underdog, terrible favorite. That was a great game. I watched that one. I'm here in Michigan State Territory. Very enjoyable. Yeah,

I mean, college basketball in general is like, it's one of the, I think it's the most, it's the sport that a good coach influences the most, I think, is college basketball. That's where Dika, I want you to pick

of all the players in your mock draft and one last time at Fledraft.hrast.com. Which of these guys do you think the landing spot would help a player most hit their ceiling? Like if a player obviously, we always talk about these guys like their finished products, but the reality is where you go and how your career unfolds. There's a range of outcomes for you of one to ten,

injuries and coaching. Which of these guys is going to get closest to 10 based on their landing spot that has you most excited? This is a brilliant question and I love this. The guy that first comes to mind for me, another tight end. I have Dalton Kincaid from Utah going to the Dallas Cowboys. And

I guess it does depend on how different the offense is with Mike McCarthy versus last year with Kellyn Moore and the previous few seasons with Killen Moore. But Dak Prescott loves throwing to his tight ends. He's just very good at it. He's very willing to do it. He looks for those guys.

Dalton Schultz became a fantasy star because of it, even though I think Dalton Schultz is just a very average player. I think only tight ends that have 50 catches and 500 yards the last three years are like Travis Kelsey, Mark Andrews, and like Dalton Schultz. I think that's literally like that. That is perfect. And I was looking, he's like, deck press that last year was like seventh among all quarterbacks that qualified for pass rating in target rate to tight ends.

So and also by the way, like the receivers in the group, I think will open up things and like help Kincaid out over the middle of field. Like if this happened, I would be so excited about it. because he could just do his thing, you know, run like little crossing routes over the middle. He has the wiggle to like separate in that area, like short and intermediate area and like run after the catch. I just think he's perfect for that role that we saw what Schultz is able to do. But Kincaid is just a much more exciting and dynamic athlete than Schultz was.

And I think he could do a lot more with it. So that one in particular, I would be super excited if that happened. Your comp for him on the guide, it says, I don't even want to say it, but I'm thinking it. Oh, yeah. Craig missed this episode where we discussed this. What does that mean?

He moves like Travis Kelsey. He's not as big as Travis Kelsey. And I'm not saying he's going to be Travis Kelsey. But when you watch him, at least when I did, I was like, oh, this guy, the way he like runs after a catch, the way he like goes up in traffic and catches the ball. Like, I was like that reminds me of Kelsey, even though I don't want to say it. I'm not even going to say it, Craig. You made me say it.

Once we start talking about deeper prospects, like guys going past the first round, I want to ask you who and maybe you have a guy in mind right now or maybe Ben does, like who the Charleston is. So Charleston was a team that was a 12th. See, they went 31 and 3. They had the best record in college basketball, but they play in the Colonial League. So you really don't actually know if they're good or not.

They're like top 25 in defensive and offensive efficiency, but you're like, cool, they're playing against Elon and Furman in the Colonial League. So you're just like, I always am curious about these players who play like D2 or in kind of like group of five or non-power five divisions who are just like incredible, but you still have no idea if they're good or not because they're not playing in the SEC. So it's probably just like best small school prospect, D.K. Or guy that you wonder, guy that you don't know how to evaluate. The Princeton guy, Yoshavaz, is the first one that came to mind just simply because,

you know, like who's watching Princeton football? Who is that? Yoshavaz. Okay, so Andrei Yosevas is a... That sounds like a composer. Ready? Here's a sentence you weren't ready for on the draft podcast. Andrei Yosvas was a Hawaiian-born

heptathlete, okay? That's just bad libs. Yeah. He was born in Honolulu. He joined, he went to, he went to Princeton. He was a track athlete there. He was a hipta athlete, which means seven. Obviously, everybody knows the seven things the heft athlete does.

I won't name them. I know them. You know them. We all know them. But just, you know, at the same time, we won't name them. Yeah, yeah, of course. But then he also played receiver for Princeton. He's 6-3-200.

He can jump, he can fly. He's a legit athlete. He played at the Senior Bowl. Acquitted himself well, to be honest. He wasn't like the Senior Bowl, right. It wasn't like Christian Watson. He's going to go top 40, but it was still like, all right, this guy can hold his water.

So I bet he's going to be a day three pick, but you're going to be a great special teamer to start his career. And then they're going to kind of see what they can make of him after that. Think like Mac Hollins. He's not as big, but like that's a little bit of the sort of family we're thinking. If he was a fourth round pick, Matt Collins was. Tucker Kraft, tied out of South Dakota State. which, you know, if you had a bet on one position,

South Dakota State was ripping prospects out. You'd bet tight end, baby. Just him. Corn-fed young men. Just Dallas Goddard and Tucker Crafts just representing the Jack Rabbits. And I've seen Kraft Compit's got her. I don't think he's got her. I think that's a little silly.

I think he's much more so like a, you know, John O Smithy sort of a mold in terms of like, you know, more of an athlete, built more of a bowling ball, a little bit more like a run-after catch guy. But still, he's like a round two tight end. He's a legit, like, get him on the field, get him 50 plus targets over the course of the season.

You can block for you. You can block on the move. So if your team that does like spread stuff, it's really valuable. Those are your sort of, those are your Charleston guys. I hate South Dakota State because they're the only other college

in the nation that is also SDSU. It just basically, you know. Very different vibes. Very different weather vibes. Oh, yeah. Those are like two of the most different places in all of America. You watch SDSU?

Sorry, you watch South Dakota State. And it's like wind swept tundra out there. It looks cold as fuck. You know what's funny is the San Diego State's play style in both football and basketball is more of a South Dakota style of football. Like they play like grounded pound defense. In basketball, they're like man up, like athletic dudes, defense, like no offense. So it's like they don't play like a San Diego flashy Southern California style football at all.

Or basketball. And which by the way, they're in the Sweet 16 against Bama on Friday. So shouts out SDSU. Shouts. Go Aztex. That's awesome. Go Aztex. You guys want to get some emails? Yeah.

Let's do it. Emails. All right. Emails. We got an email here from emails. Emails. Spending the use of that. I love it.

The second Danny said, like, it's time for emails. My head just transitioned to going, okay, the next thing you say has to be a name and a voice. Until I just did it. I was just there. That was like a little intro package. If that was like late night with Jimmy, like Seth Myers or something, it's like, all right, now it's time for the mailbag. And then there's like a little guy who goes, mail bag.

bag. So you might have to do that every time now for emails. Anyway, Craig, while you were gone, we started talking about key parties. I did hear that, yes. And then. Which Craig had heard of, by the way. Craig made fun of me for not knowing about. So we got a lot of emails about this.

I think there's a lot of, I don't know what the proper term is. Just a lot of enthusiasm with key parties. Yeah. Repressed desire for polygamy in this like society based on how many people were really excited Not polygamy, polyamory more like it. You don't get married to these people. All right, I'm learning. I'm still new.

D.K.'s locked in. Free love, guys. Come on. TK. like really knows this shit. Anyway, we got an email from Robert. Just email. You're going to deny anything because then you're going to like think of protesting too much.

Rob. Bobby. One of these beloved children's movies contains a very obvious reference to key parties. Oh, God. Shrek, how the Grinch stole Christmas or Ice Age. Okay. I can see them Ice Age. There's not enough characters in Ice Age.

There's a ton of characters in Ice Age. They've all died out. There's not a lot of people. Is it the sloths? I guess there's a lot of sloths. Well, the only reason why Ice Age is interesting is because I was going to bring up, there's a movie that came out in 1997 called The Ice Storm and with Kevin Klein and Sigourney Weaver and there's this huge key party.

Like the movie kind of centers around this key party scene. We did it on the rewatchables probably a year ago and it's kind of what introduced me to key party. So like maybe the guys who made the ice party. Ice Age had like liked the movie The Ice Storm, which is a fucking weird movie, by the way. Don't watch it. So maybe it's like this would be funny. Ice Storm Ice Age.

But I feel like it's Shrek. I'm going on Ice Age. I already know the answer because somebody tweeted it at me. So I'm just going to abstain. Yeah. I saw the answer as well. All of you, you're both wrong. It is the Grinch stole Christmas.

We got like six emails about people like, how did you guys not know this? I have to show you guys the scene. Yeah, I've never seen this. Do you? he does yes one of my favorite things is when children's content makes adult references like under the radar i think that's just the best oh my god it's so funny yeah there's so many back in the day i went through like uh some article on i don't even know what it was like fucking college humor cracked or something it was like it pointed out all the like boners that disney hides in their like children's

movies it's ridiculous or just like sponge bob will just like a subtle reference about like paying your taxes or something and you're like, there's no way a nine-year-old has any idea what's going on, but the dad sitting next to their son is laughing. I'm chuckling. Like, I just love stuff like that. Bluey does that. The whole joy of it is just like, wow, kids are dumb and I'm smart. No, I don't know.

It's just like, I love that they fit that in. I don't know. It's just like, these are 40-year-old men writing these shows. The parents are actually the ones decided to watch the show. I just dropped you guys the picture. So basically when the Grinch has dropped off on Christmas Eve to the house, he's sitting there like a baby like Harry Potter. And where his mom, the family that takes in the Grinch,

they're having a key party on Christmas Eve. That's what they're doing. So look at this picture. It's they're literally having a key party. And if you watch the scene, it's actually more clear than that. It's like very much like they're having a drunken key party. That's hilarious.

You put keys into a fish bowl. This is very specific. Yeah. Or a punch bowl or whatever. Ben, I heard you saying that nowadays you'd like look for the fob, the key fob, which is really funny.

You're like, I just look for the best car. But it wouldn't work nowadays because nobody drives anywhere. It'd be Ubers. No one's going to a party in their car because they're drinking. In that movie, the Ice Storm, everyone drives home drunk. They're all like hammered.

Because that's what you did in the 90s. But I don't know. It wouldn't work now. It's true. We have no differentiating things on us anymore because we all just have iPhones and wallets. Wallets? Can you imagine? Here's the thing, though.

If you dropped your phones in a bowl, can you imagine being in a room of a bunch of people that you might have sex with without your phone? That's like a nightmare. Well, imagine it's 1997. You don't even have a phone. I know. But what is it now if no one's dropping their keys in? What is it about you potentially having sex with a lot of people in the room that makes not having your phone worse? Seifetz's looking at his phone during sex?

No, it's before. He's crushing Twitter as the key party is taking place. Don't none of you, don't none of you fucking be too upidated to and pretend that you wouldn't need to like... I don't know. I was trying to like defensive. I was trying to see if that made any sense. I don't know. The point is that it's awkward and like you need your phone.

It's like a dopamine feedback loop when you feel awkward. What we need to figure out is what. what is the key of the modern key party? What is the differentiating totem nowadays? Yeah, it's got to be like your your, your, your pods or AirPods or whatever. Or something. That's the last thing. You have to label it.

We all have AirPods. No, you got to label it. No, but it's like you put them up to each other's phone. Maybe it's the iPhone and then you touch the background or you touch the phone so it lights up and everybody sees what background it is. And then you're like, oh, that's, that's James's background. It's, it's a Hawaiian beach. I'm going home with James.

I don't know. I have the generic background and no AirPods. I would not be good in this context, which shocks nobody. AirPods makes no sense. Everybody has the exact same AirPods. And you can't tell who's is whose. Also, I will say, I think I made a mistake with the key party thing. I said that if you knew the names of Lord of the Rings characters,

like the secondary and tertiary characters, you'd never been invited to a key party. I actually think that those people are at more key parties than anyone else. Oh, yeah. I think that's right. Freaky deaky. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Anyway, if anybody's been to a 2020, 2020 to 2020 key party. But in the last five years. Yeah. At last five years, there's probably a lot of key parties in the pandemic. Why are we putting a statute of limitations on this? Because I wanted to be modern. I need to know, like, basically since the iPhone era really took over, because back in like when we were in middle school and stuff, like somebody had a razor or somebody had a

sidekick, somebody had a Nokia, whatever. So you can tell. Now we, most people just have iPhones or whatever. So I want to know what the thing is that people. are using these days. All right, God forbid. All right, email us. Remember Fantasy Football at Gmail.com.

Can you, do you think we're going to get one email of somebody saying I've been to a key party? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just, yeah, I mean, probably, I don't know. Well, we already got a crazy email. I can read it. I have no idea we're going to keep this and put it to the pod. But do you guys want to hear it? Yeah, I'm learning.

I feel like I'm learning a lot. Let's do this. Got an email from, I'm not going to say his name, but you know who you are. I reached out to email you as someone who's non-monogamous and explained the terms to you, which obviously I just did not get. and I'm going to explain them using football metaphors. Non-monogamy,

broad term, covers a lot of different relationship styles and dynamics. Monogamy is like a true wildcat offense. So thoroughly committed to the run. There's no passing game whatsoever. Swingers are like a run-keeper option,

like a real option play. Swingers tend to be committed, like married couples that play together in swaps and handing off one partner to another, mostly in casual encounters. There's still a paired unit. Open relationships are like a run-pass option where it's like

you know there's a relationship committed between two people dedicated running the ball together but there's still explore passing you know short game polyamory is like a wide spectrum hierarchical polyamory I think that's like a dropback passing game and then he was saying relationship anarchical

what was that? I don't know I'm learning hierarchical polyamory core relationship and then various satellites who might not be dating each other at all like a quarterback who was one rider receiver they love to pass two but will sometimes throw it elsewhere for play. I think that was Matt Stafford in the Cooper Cup last year. What's the hierarchical polyamory?

Here is this Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard, something or other? That's probably... Well, I think that's relationship anarchy, which he says is like the air raid offense. All past catchers are equal opportunity targets. Relationship anarchy. I know. That's actual thing. That's a frat house in college.

That's just relationship anarchy. You're just like, doesn't matter. You're just dropping back. Whoever's open your head. Somebody's around. Anyway. Throw up a Hail Mary. learned a lot. I want to know more about hierarchical polyamory. That's a mouthful.

I thought it was super clear where it's like Matt Stafford throws to Cooper Cup almost every time. And every now and then Tyler Higby's there too. Yeah, switch things up. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry I didn't get it right away. Hife. Now I do.

Jesus. Email's at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have questions about whatever the hell that was, emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have questions about the mock draft at NFL draft guide, about key parties, about how the Grinch told Christmas. had a lot of people actually still ask us about Lord of the Rings characters. That's still a thing.

Also football. You can ask us about that as well. That's, I suppose, still a thing we do on the show. All right. That's all we got, I hope. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode.

Thank you to everyone who emailed us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Thank you to whoever put the key party in the gridstall Christmas. Thank you to everyone who emailed us about that scene. Thank you to all the ghosts who are yelling all these things that I don't know. You're so laugh from this burner. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, the temptations.

Nice. My girl. Fantastic song. I'd like to point out, I was listening to you Tuesday's episode, and I was listening to the Lauren segment, and D.K. shouted out, Usher. And then Hyfit said, why that? And D.K. said, oh, because we just did the hangover. The hangover is on my mind.

And then Hyfit said, oh, right, the apple bottom jeans thing. And then Ben goes, that's Flo Rida. And nobody said anything. Ben, it was a thousand percent right. D.K. Hyphids thought usher. Yes. Apple bottom jeans is flowriter, not usher. When that happened, when that happened, I thought I was wrong.

And so I was like, I'm just not going to say anything and nobody heard it. We'll be fine. D.K., you were like, oh, it's the hangover. And this was like, oh, yeah, the Apple Bottom jeans scene. And then you were just like, no, I think it was a different scene. And Ben's like, Apple bottom jeans is flowrider. And nobody said anything. That's like, I'm, blow it away.

I don't think I heard that. Well, two things happened. Trying to figure out what song I was looking at her. I'm admitting, I am stunned. I did not know that Lo was Flo Rida, but what I thought, I got confused because the song I associate the hangover is right round. Like from the credits where the credit.

Yeah. And that's what I thought Solich is referencing. And I thought we all got like, dare I say, like a poly, like a polyamorous confusion. Polycule of song references. But you're right. I actually,

I did not realize that Lo was flowrider. It's funny that you think of that song for The Hangover. The song I think of for The Hangover is the Kanye one. Like, I'm not even going to. Yes, I'm not even trying to sing. I briefly consider trying to sing it, but I'm not going to. Well, I mean, Kanye can barely sing it. He just goes la la la la.

I think of Floraida too, though. I think of Floorita and right round as well. Because I think that was in the trailer, maybe. I don't know. I think we had this conversation already. I just often associate music. music from the trailers, like, you know, paper planes from Pineapple Express, stuff like that. Anyway, shout out Ben for correcting hyphets on a pop culture reference.

Don't come to me with music that was played at my eighth grade school dance. I'm on it, all right? And that very small purview is mine. Were you wearing jeans? Apple bottom? Apple bottom one. Hey. All, goodbye.