The Ringer NFL Show - Must-Add Players for Week 15

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Fantasy playoffs are officially here, so we offer up our must-add players for Week 15 with our favorite format, Showdown Time. Must-Adds RBs (03:00) WRs (23:00) TEs (32:00) QB Streamers (38:00) DEF St...reamers (43:00) Email us at ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up everybody? I'm JJ John D. Stramski. And I'm Jason Gough, and if you haven't heard, the ringer has gone local. I'm bringing the fire. I'm bringing the rain from the Big Apple with my show, New York, New York. And I'm reping Shy Town with my new show The Full Go on All Things Chicago. We've got episodes three nights a week with all the reaction to the local teams and guests. Plus bonus episodes around all the big games and storylines.
Starting point is 00:00:21 So whether you're uptown, downtown, downtown, in the burbs, or a transplant. Make sure you follow New York, New York, and the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly, Craig Horlebeck. We're going through waivers today. Fantasy football, regular season is in the books. We are recording this before Monday football.
Starting point is 00:00:57 But for you, the regular season for fantasy is over. It is playoff time. It's time for playoff. Waivers, Dekar you ready? I'm ready. Are you ready? I'm ready. Craig?
Starting point is 00:01:08 Cool about me. Craig. I don't care if you're ready. Damn. You just you're alone for the ride. I want to know, do you guys know that this is a PSA. It's a public service announcement for everyone setting your fantasy lineups.
Starting point is 00:01:18 There are Saturday games. I'm going to say it again. Saturday games. Saturday games. For the love of God, do not let the reason you lose your fantasy lineup because you left your like Saturday running back in a flex spot and then he has COVID so you can't play. Like I don't want those emails about like fantasy court. Just know
Starting point is 00:01:34 that you have Saturday games this weekend. The Browns are playing the Raiders. 430 Eastern on Saturday. The Patriots are playing the Colts 815 Eastern on Saturday. And then obviously Thursday night football between the Chiefs chargers. So know that ahead of time, and then obviously the bye weeks are over. So with all that said, can I just say? Well, yeah, yeah, go. I hate the Saturday games. I did too. I like them for the playoffs. I don't like them for the regular season. Agree. Regular season's ridiculous. Now we have
Starting point is 00:02:01 Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday this week. I mean, that is. Well, so the short reason this happens is basically, it's like illegal for the NFL to broadcast against college football. They're not allowed to compete against college football. And that basically, like, the, the the court case that settled that. That's why high school is on Fridays and college on Saturdays, NFL's and Sundays. So the second the college football season ends, the NFL is like,
Starting point is 00:02:23 oh yeah, baby, give us four days of your week because apparently three days of NFL football is not enough. They need the majority of your weekly days to have the NFL. It's going to make the Sunday morning green room kind of weird, isn't it? It's like six teams have already played. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:02:39 It just feels bizarre. Yeah, we might need to make that like a good old Saturday afternoon green room. we'll TBD on that. So right off the top here, a lot of COVID, a lot of cases. There's already more than 30 cases going on the NFL. We're recording this Monday. We'll see if there's more.
Starting point is 00:02:56 But like, I think that's a giant caveat to everything we're talking about. Like, this is all fluid because unfortunate reality, like pandemic's not over. I mean, just the dolphins, for example, like the dolphins have all three of the running backs on the COVID list. Like you got Miles Gaskin, Salvin Ahmed, and now Philip Lindsay is. tested positive today. So just keep that in mind like a lot of things could change. But with all that said, we're going to go through each position. We're going to talk about who is our number one pickup for the week.
Starting point is 00:03:23 We're obviously also going to talk about, you know, just general pickups as well. For running back, receiver, tight end quarterback, defense streamers, all that jazz. Starting at running back, DK. Yo, playoff time. I've been waiting forever to say this. It's Rashad Penny. It's got to be. It's got to be.
Starting point is 00:03:39 20% rostered came in for the Seahawks this week, 16, carries 137 yards, two touchdowns, 26 points in PPR. I mean, honestly, if he can stay healthy, he's their lead back going for it. I think that they're going to try and give him as many opportunities as he can handle. Obviously, that's a massive caveat because he hasn't been able to stay healthy in the past, but a lot of guys were constantly injured until they finally were not constantly injured. I don't know, it's just one of those things that happens. Like Keenan Allen early in his career, kept getting hurt, kept getting hurt.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And then knock on wood, he's been most. healthy, although he is on the COVID list right now. But regardless, like, yeah, I mean, just Penny, he's getting out of the opportunity. He looked good, more importantly. And the Seax's want to be balanced. So this is the easy one for me. Yeah, this is his fourth season and they're finally getting some real use
Starting point is 00:04:26 out of their first overall, or first round pick. So I feel like they have no reason not to just use him as much as they can. I think this is the last year of his contract, right? I believe so. And I'm certain they're not going to pick up his 50-year contract. Or 50-year deal or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, this is number one, obviously.
Starting point is 00:04:43 opportunity for them to finally get some utility out of him. And it's an audition for him. Yeah, exactly, for him to get a chance out of big, or not a big, but a second contract with a team and hopefully be productive down the line. This week I will say, playing the Rams, without knowing what the Rams do tonight on Monday night football. Do you guys want to do another, like, guess on what happens in Monday night football?
Starting point is 00:05:02 Well, I am completely wrong about it. I can only go up from here after my Dalvin Cook prediction. The Dalvin Cook debacle. Rams win by 10. And you're hearing here first, everybody. Oh, yeah, sure. Since Jalen Ramsey... No strife, it's over here. Jail and Ramsey just went on the COVID list.
Starting point is 00:05:18 That's definitely not going to affect what the Rams do in this game. Okay. Regardless, the... Rashad Penny's my number one pick up to for this week. Even if you don't need a flex receiver, a flex player for this week, he's still the number one stash, too, because the Seahawks play the lines in week 17. And if Rashad Penny does win the job, that is a bottom three-run defense in Detroit. The Seahawks obviously love to establish the run.
Starting point is 00:05:41 And if Rashad Pennieff is... Penny does take a grip on the job. Having him for that week 17 game is such an incredible back pocket player to have. And also obviously prevent from whoever you maybe be playing in the championship to have. Rashad Penny is like easily the best one this week. Yep.
Starting point is 00:05:57 All right. Agree. God. Look at us all Greg and Rashad Penny. What a moment. What a moment for the real heads to this podcast who listened to us like four years ago. No. Yeah, this is a big deal. I mean, this is how I like first met you guys.
Starting point is 00:06:09 It's incredible. I came on to briefly talk about something Rashad Penny did in like 2018. Intern Craig from San Diego State. I was like, hey. Before it was full-time Craig? Yeah, it was full-time Craig. And now I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Man, do I got to win this trivia. Yeah, you do. So, you know what? If you want to get a Rashad Penny jersey at some point, Craig, you better fucking win this. Well, I almost want to wait until I want to see what team he's on next year, you know? That's a good point. That's a good point, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:35 It's like all the fans, like, cross out the name and then, like, just add new name the jersey. Craig's going to get a penny jersey, but then keep crossing out the team name on the front and just to keep adding a new team, Dave. I was going to get a blank white jersey that says Penny on the back. Fill in whoever, wherever he goes. I like it. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:50 In honor of Rashad Penny's, we're going to call it shelf life. Got a question from Bill. Bill. Bill. You think it's Bill Simmons? Could be. Avid listener.
Starting point is 00:07:00 But before we get into Bill's question, it is the Rashad Penny. Showdown time. Shouts out to that kid. Yeah. Who we got a video sent of this man. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Yes, a listener of the show sent in a video of his little baby boy doing showdown time, just like in his living room. He was like, what time is it? And the kid's like, showdown time. It's adorable. Yeah, thank you for that.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Made our day. It did. Yo, shout out Jerry. Thank you, Jerry, for sending that video of your son. That was absolutely incredible. Wow, that made my day. Okay, so should we play that instead of Craig?
Starting point is 00:07:37 For the rest of the episode? That would actually be really funny. All right. Let's do that. That's incredible. All right. This is from Bill. Bill.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And again, in honor of Rashad Penny's shelf life, what is the official shelf life of Twinkies? The official one? The official, like what it says on the Twinkie or the box, whatever. That's a good question. So is this the sell-by date or no? Yeah, sell-by date or best buy. Actually, I said that would matter, but let's call it the sell-by date. So, oh.
Starting point is 00:08:10 No, sell-by. No, eat-by, the used-by. okay no sell-bys for like meat I don't think Twinkies have a sell-bought So it's like a best buy this date type of thing Yeah whatever the date is on the label What is the date on the label for Twinkies
Starting point is 00:08:24 Where they're like whatever happens to you after this date We are no longer legally responsible for whatever happens to you All right do you know Craig You got one in your mind I My guess is it's very long I think I've heard before that Twinkies can Like people put Twinkies like in their
Starting point is 00:08:37 In their basements for tornadoes or for like Apocalypse Watch because Twinkies can last forever. So it's going to be really long, but also I'm thinking about, you know, a company probably
Starting point is 00:08:48 wouldn't want to advertise that too much. They want to be liable for anything. So I think it probably could last 80 years and maybe scientists have studied that and they know that
Starting point is 00:08:55 and that's the article I read. But I'm wondering what the actual Twinkies company wrote. I don't think it's 80 years. Just spoiler it. No, definitely not in the package, but I'd love to look up how long they can actually.
Starting point is 00:09:07 These don't expire. I'm going to say 10 years. Okay. I'm saying 16 months. Oh, wow, okay. So I went with two years. That was the number I just settled on my head because I was like, I bet the answer is like eight. 16 months is like goldfish.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Like everything is six, like pretzels, like all that stuff. I'm saying two years. Okay, so what is it? It's got to be higher than a year. Easily, I think, right? 26 days. That can't be right. Oh, so it's like a, it's one of those trivias.
Starting point is 00:09:35 I'm immediately going to double check Bill's source here. How long can Twinkies? Oh my God, yeah, it's 25 under 26 days. Holy cow. I thought it was just like you buy like a box of cookies or whatever and the expiration date is like next fall or something, you know? Wow, 26 days. It says the truth seems pretty measly compared to the myth.
Starting point is 00:09:55 So that's kind of like it's like we have the 25 days of Christmas or 12 days of Christmas or the Advent calendar. You could do basically a Twinkie Advent calendar for 20. Oh my Lord. I was so off. Wow. We're going to do that. There's an article.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Currently the oldest tweaking in the world is 43 years old and it's still going strong. What does that mean? Did you know that still edible? Did you know that Charles Darwin has a Twinkie and that is now owned by the Steve Irwin family and this Twinkie is
Starting point is 00:10:21 187 years old? What? Whoa, these two things are not compatible. Craig just said the oldest one's 43 and D.K.'s making up some bullshit about Charles Darwin. You guys completely miss my joke
Starting point is 00:10:31 about the tortoise that Charles Darwin owned. That's what I was going to say. Oh, I thought you said a Twinkie. And I was like, it was a fucking joke, dude. God. Yeah, the, The Irwin's have Charles Darwin's tortoise, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:10:45 That's the weirdest fact of all time. Yes, we talked about that on this show. They're taking care of it. I was not here for this. Yes, you're 100%. Well, I assume this is why you didn't get my joke. Wait, the Irwins are taking care of Charles Darwin's tortoise? I don't think any of this is true.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Yes. The tortoises name is Harriet, but I think it perhaps passed. You guys just messing with me. It was 176 years old. I'm going to, after this pot ends, I'm going to go and double check all of this because I find all this very hard to believe. Anyway, all right, Dika gets Rashad Penny, even though really none of us spiritually deserve the answer there.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Yeah. DK gets Penny. I'm second. So I think this is weird all of a sudden. It's hard. I think there's a few options here. There's just a lot up in the air still. Yeah, there is a lot up in the air.
Starting point is 00:11:32 I think that makes it very difficult. We're doing the show on Monday. And again, a lot of this could change by Tuesday. I think Rashad Penny is probably going to remain number one. But keep in mind that a lot of this could change. I think that begrudging him go with a me, or Abdullah for the Panthers. Now, he didn't have a great line this week.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Craig's making a face. No, I'm surprised that's what you met with. Hyphitz, I want to say, I want to point this out, we had an emailer who speaks Arabic, and he said that you actually were pronouncing it correctly. And so he was laughing at Craig and I when we were fucking with, like, telling you that all no way. It is to heck, well, technically according to the pronunciation in Arabic, it's Abdullah. All right.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Well, I'm going to go back to how I was saying it, because I famously get every name right, so I'm not surprised. okay, Amir Abdullah, because he didn't have a great game this week, but the Panthers were like in this game with the Falcons. Their next two games are the Bucs or sorry, the Bills and the Buccaneers. I think that the Panthers are going to get blown out in those games, quite frankly, and I think that there could be a lot of receiving warfare, Amir Abdullah. I do, I think this is a full PPR move.
Starting point is 00:12:30 And again, the Bills defense is good. The Bills defense is good against receiving running backs. This is still risky. We, like, he is risky. But I just think the Panthers are awful and that when they get blown out the next two weeks, Amir Abdullah either this week or really that game against the bucks next week, the bucks dropped 25 points on them. And then I think Abdullah could have like five, six, seven catches like in the second half maybe.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Like, it just seems like a good recipe. There's probably maybe better, more secure options for this week. But I still am holding on to the idea that Abdullah can have a big week in full PPR. Even half PPR would temper me a little bit. I'm fine with this. I like this. Can we talk about the fact that the Panthers are apparently going to have like a quarterback rotation now with PJ Walker and Cam Newton.
Starting point is 00:13:12 And Donald, it's ridiculous. Donald might be back on the menu, you guys. As soon as he's back from his shoulder injury, there's like, we haven't ruled out the chance that Donald could be the starter again. He should be a starter. The Panthers have just absolutely mangled. They've botched this quarterback situation. The Panthers are awful, and that's one of the reasons, like,
Starting point is 00:13:29 DJ Moore, like, even if DJ Moore missed his time, Robbie Anderson's like a joke. I mean, the whole thing has been discussing a quarterback this year, this year for the Panthers. I'm not like, again, I'm not like in love. with Amir Abdule. I think there's a lot of dissatisfying options. I'm curious who Craig takes, because I think there's a few other guys, but
Starting point is 00:13:44 again, a lot's very up in the air. We can kind of run through these situations, Greg, and then re-rank these guys if you want. Sure. So the two guys that I had right below Penny were Boston Scott and Corey Clement. Boston Scott missed week 13 with an illness. They had a buy last week. And Miles Sanders got hurt. And
Starting point is 00:14:02 obviously, if he's hurt and he doesn't come back, Boston Scott should be, I think, easily right below Penny. But even if he doesn't, get hurt. I mean, even if Miles Sanders does play, I still like Boston Scott getting like 10 to 12 carries, which he has done, like, each of the last three weeks. Kenneth Gainwell played a lot last week,
Starting point is 00:14:19 but that's because Scott was out. And I think Scott is the number two in Philly behind Miles Sanders. So I think that would be my pick. Just like a really strong rushing attack. Double-digit carries. I like Boston Scott. What about Jordan Howard? Yeah, because Jordan Howard might come back from injury.
Starting point is 00:14:35 And my fear is there's a four-person running back crew. Now, obviously, maybe Kenny Gamble's inaction. but like, I don't know what to do after Kenneth Gainwell's inactive, but then he plays because the other guys are hurting, he plays really well. And I'm kind of, I just don't know what to do, to be honest, with the, this, Miles Sanders getting most of the, or a lot of the work, three guys basically splitting the number two role, plus a quarterback who can vulture you too. I feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole with the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Yeah. I still, I mean, you're right. I get it. I just like it more than like, I don't know, the Cam Newton, PJ Walker, like, throwing an Abdullah, the backup. I just. It's uninspiring. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:07 I admit. Gailil, I think, has been inactive before when they had all these three guys healthy. And if you just look at Scott's numbers, like he's been pretty solid. And with Howard's knee, Sanders' ankle, Boston Scott seems to be the only healthy one on the roster right now.
Starting point is 00:15:22 I think I lean his way, that's all. I agree. If I had to pick one of those guys after Miles Sanders, I agree Boston Scott's the guy. And it would be awesome if you got some clarity. Like maybe Jordan Howard doesn't play. Maybe Kenny Gamel's inactive. Like, that would make it a lot easier for Boston Scott.
Starting point is 00:15:34 But again, this is what we said. Like, this whole week for pickups just feels, like this is not just that you put your waiver claims and you got your guy like it's going to be important to check news and like who's playing and who's not for this whole week and on that note another guy on this like there's a couple there's a couple other people on that
Starting point is 00:15:50 list there's first of all de ernest johnson for the browns is another person i considered because kareem hunt is probably going to be out on saturday he has an ankle injury so it's nick chub and then obviously when nick chubb and kreem hunt were out dernish johnson was incredible here's the thing i think de ernest johnson is
Starting point is 00:16:07 much more the quote-unquote handcuff for Nick Chubb than he is Kareem Hunt. But, like, Chubb playing in Durness Johnson playing in place of Cream Hunt, I think just raises Nick Chub's work more than it does anyone else. I feel like Derrness Johnson will play. But like, I don't think he fills in. Secondary situation. Yeah, he doesn't really fill in for Cream Hunt perfectly. Like, I feel like Dernish Johnson, people will flock to him because he played so well
Starting point is 00:16:32 in relief of Chub. But if Chub's playing, his role isn't huge. Yeah. I like that one. I actually had Derenas Jonathan's second on my list. There's a couple other guys on here I want to throw out. I like the Corey Clement one because with Zeke hobbled,
Starting point is 00:16:47 Pollard potentially missing time with that foot injury. He got 13 carries in this last game. And they're playing the Giants, which I think is the most important thing. They pulled Zeke when Dallas was killing Washington and then brought him back in when Washington came back. I think if they get up 14-0 on the Cowboy on the Giants, Corey Clement could easily out-snap it out-knap.
Starting point is 00:17:06 carry Zeeke. I don't think 14-0 would do it, but I think you're right. So 70-30, they gave Zieg 70% of the touches in Corey Clement 30 in the first half. The second half was 50-50, and you're right, Craig. It only was 50-50 because Zik had to go back and wins that tack through the pick six. Right. Right. I guess my question is, one, assuming Tony Paule doesn't play, Cory Clement, I guess, I think of Corey Clement as a stash, but you don't know if you pick up Corey Clement, you can flex him. Like, if you need someone for this week, I don't think Corey Clement's a great ad for this week. But if you don't necessarily
Starting point is 00:17:38 need someone and you're kind of just hoping maybe they pick up some value over the final few weeks, he's top tier for me. Because like, there's a small chance I think that they just shut down Zeke this week and Pollard doesn't play and it's just Clemmet. I really think that's like in play. No, they're obsessed with Zique man. I don't know. It's possible. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Cory Clement for that case, again, this is what we're saying where like you have to be abreast of what's going on. Let's say Tony Pollard doesn't play. I still think Zeeke gets most of the work. Obviously, if Zeke and Tony Pollard both end up being shelved for a week, Corplymouth would be like a top 15 running back probably. I think the theme of this week is like these are all flyer ads,
Starting point is 00:18:14 like speculative ads that you have to kind of see how the week goes with some of these injuries. Another guy would add to this list. And so this guy, we didn't talk about it before the pod, but he's borderline in terms of where we typically talk about guys because David Johnson rostered in 42% of leagues right now. So that's kind of like a slightly higher than what we typically talk about. But with Rex Burkhead, I think he's nursing a hip injury. He's day to day, according to the Texans.
Starting point is 00:18:39 I don't know what that means. It sounds like he wants to come back quickly, but like the team might hold him back or whatever. With him out, you know, I think that pushes David Johnson into a much bigger role, like probably like closer to a three-down roll. Royce Freeman is still there. He might kind of snipe some of that. But I think David Johnson would be the guy to have going forward there if
Starting point is 00:18:57 Burkhead missed his time. And then Craig Reynolds for Detroit. just like deep cut. That's like a real who would actually though, who is that guy who is Grandin. Undrafted free agent like three years ago. Craig Reynolds had 11 carries for 83 yards for Detroit. And it sounds like buried in the news dump of Sunday.
Starting point is 00:19:18 It sounds like DeAndre Swift, according to Adam Schaefter, may end up going on the injured reserve. He may be done for the year. Dude, there's word on the street is that Adam Schaefter put Craig Reynolds on his fantasy team. Yeah, that was pretty funny. That's the word on these streets. So Reynolds is a guy to keep in mind. and then what other guy here?
Starting point is 00:19:34 And this is, again, just a speculative ad, but Duke Johnson for the dolphins, Miles Gaskin, Savon Ahmed, and Philip Lindsay are all on the COVID list as of Monday afternoon. Now, I think several of them, if not all of them, are vaccinated, so they would need two positive,
Starting point is 00:19:50 or sorry, negative tests to get off the list, and then they could play. So, again, it's not necessarily, like, pick them up, plug them into your lineup and, like, expect big volume here. But, like, if none of these guys, or if only one of these guys potentially gets off the list,
Starting point is 00:20:02 then Johnson could have a big role going forward. So again, I would say just to round it all out, Penny, and then for me personally, Dernus Johnson, and then there's- Well, let's clarify, let's clarify here. Let's go in backward or the way we usually do it. Let's start with you don't need someone for this week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:18 But you have an extra roster spot and you're trying to add value. But you don't necessarily need to start this person this week. Like you're not like, you don't have a bunch of injured people and you know vaguely what you're starting a lineup will be for the playoffs, but you do want to add some depth. Rashaw Penny's number one.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Yeah, it's still Rashon. Corey Clement probably then becomes number two. Unless you want to say Durness Johnson, just because if Chub gets hurt. Cream Hunt is week to week, so it could be a multi-week thing for him. Yeah, and if Chub gets hurt, then it's like wheels up. So I'd still say regardless, it's Penny and Johnson for me. So Penny and Johnson, okay, and then I would say Corey Clement,
Starting point is 00:20:53 if you don't necessarily need someone, but you want someone like a high upside guy that keep that one injury away from a huge role. And then I'll put Amir Abdullah there too, because I do think there's a chance that, even though his last week looked ugly like he gets a lot of receiving work over the next two weeks. If you do, but if you are in the world where you need,
Starting point is 00:21:09 and then actually I guess we can put Craig Reynolds on that list too. Yeah. Because again, like if DeAndre Swift's out, we can see. And then on the list of like you're, you're shifting through the rummage bin of like, I might need to play one of these guys.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Penny's first. I actually don't think Cory Clement is necessarily as high on the list of like, I will play this guy this week. You're kind of guessing. the other guy I want to throw it is Roy's Freeman. I know D.K. used to David Johnson, but Davis Mills checks down a lot, but David Johnson wasn't running him as many routes as Rex Burkhead was. There's also a path for a really ugly PBR world because Royce Freeman, it was bad.
Starting point is 00:21:45 He had 11 carries. 1.4 yards per carry for Royce Freeman. That's pretty bad. But he did have six catches for 51 yards because Davis Mills, I mean, started 13 for 13. If Rex Burkhead does miss time, I don't know. I mean, I don't necessarily think David Johnson's going to get the receiving work. again, this is ugly. Like, this is freaking ugly. Yeah, that little blurb by you, that summation is like exactly why you probably just want to avoid this in general.
Starting point is 00:22:11 This whole thing is disgusting. But so, yeah, I would say, you know, for me, it's Penny Johnson or bust. And then the rest of these guys are speculative ads that you might like need for a death. We forgot one other thing. Sorry, speculative ads. Justin Jackson and the charges running backs. So Austin Echler heard his ankle on Sunday. He couldn't put weight on it.
Starting point is 00:22:28 He got it taped. They say you could have came back in the game. We'll see. They play on Thursday night. I think that changes a few things. Hyfitz, as of 20 minutes ago, so this is again, Monday afternoon, Brandon Staley says, Echler will be at practice today. He's just sore, nothing major. I still think that's the kind of thing where if you have an extra roster spot.
Starting point is 00:22:46 And in one of the leagues I'm in, my biggest competitor is Echler. I added Justin Jackson actually Sunday morning just in case. And it's like he's playing Thursday. Like, that's a guy throughout there. But again, you probably wouldn't want to bank on any of those charges running backs. especially because it's not super clear who would replace him necessarily. Justin Jackson's like the lead horse in that behind him, but it's not clear. Anyway, that's the whole point, though.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Like, none of this is very clear. The only thing that seems clear is that Corey Clement is the only healthy running back for the Dallas Cowboys right now. Yeah, I don't like... And Craig Reynolds plays for the Lions. I like Clement. I just think that they get up on the Giants and then Pollard doesn't play. I think Clement could actually have a nice day.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Yeah. All right. So Penny, Dernish Johnson, Corey Clement. All right. Okay. There you go. A lot of ugly names. Let's get to receiver.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Tika, who's your number one receiver for this week? All right. So I'm still going with KJ Osborne for the Vikings, 38% rostered. Thielen has a high ankle sprain. I haven't seen the latest update as of today, but I don't think he has a strong chance of playing this week, I should say,
Starting point is 00:23:49 just based on what we know of high ankle sprains and how typically they will affect players multiple weeks, and then even when they come back, a lot of the times they're not full speed. So I think Osborne's still going to remain a big part of this passing game for Minnesota. And like the part that I like the most, I think, and again, this is like the playoffs, right? So it has to be, in my mind, it should be players that you're comfortable plugging in as a flex because they've done it before.
Starting point is 00:24:14 And it's not just like this crazy, let's see what happens kind of deal. Like Osborne has proven multiple times this year that when he has opportunities he can produce. So I still would have Osborne as the number one option here. But I do think there are a couple of other guys that are very interesting as like flex options this week. I have Osborne is my number one too but I agree that there's a couple other guys in contention I have Gabe Dave Yeah he was my second
Starting point is 00:24:37 Gabe Dave's my 1B Yeah Very similar like the number two receiver on a team Is hurt Yeah Manuel Sanders Sanders got hurt his knee Doesn't look like he's gonna play this week And then Gabe Dave filled right in
Starting point is 00:24:48 Had a touchdown 81% of dropbacks He ran a route I think Gabe Dave is good too And Playing Carolina Who Atlanta just beat up He's a big play Big play creator
Starting point is 00:24:58 He had, like, I want to say he had 10 touchdowns as a rookie or something ridiculous. Maybe it was like eight, yeah. Yeah, seven or eight. And so obviously he, this year, for the most part, I think he's been sort of like the fourth option for the bills. But with these injuries coming up and the bill's propensity to pass, like their run game is just not useful. I like that one a lot. He was definitely in my like one B here in this situation. I think I would feel comfortable plugging either Osborne or Davidson as a flex option this week.
Starting point is 00:25:26 What I ultimately went with Osborne was a more, I'm less confident. feeling plays this week than Emmanuel Sanders, but I also think Emmanuel Sanders just being hurt could just end up giving the job to Gabe Dave. I could very easily be swayed
Starting point is 00:25:36 that Gabe Dave is like the best of receiver on the board. Also, Josh Allen apparently has a case of turf toe. Yeah, exactly. Maybe that'll affect how much they run with him now. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:25:45 So, okay, so Craig, we got a showdown time here with me and D.K. for KJ. Osborne. Oh, right. Okay. It is the KJ. Osborne. Shootout time.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Okay. All right. scrolling through here. Let's see. Okay, this is from Shane. Shane. Name the nine Canadian football teams. The most name, whoever names the most wins.
Starting point is 00:26:14 This is a bit of a twist to the trivia. I like this. This is good. What a great twist, Shane. Oh, my God. I'll, I'll, I'm going to, can we get like a timer and like, we'll, like, write them down so that we're not just shot it. Because if I shot one out, then D.K.'ll get it.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Yeah, so just write them down. there is an east division and a west division the west division has five and the east division has four all our Canadian listeners are going to be so devastating that we know nothing about Canada we have to get not just the cities right like we need the mascots
Starting point is 00:26:44 like I can't just say a city like I need the I would almost say the mascot carries more weight than knowing the city like I'd be more impressed if you just guessed the name of the mascot than just you threw out the name of a city okay how are we doing how much more time we need I only have two for sure
Starting point is 00:27:01 All right I think I'm scrapped I think I'm gonna lose I think I got four All right We've given them a minute or two High Fitz we're gonna start with you Please read what you have written
Starting point is 00:27:10 I got the Saskatchewan Rough Riders That is correct The Toronto Argonauts Correct Oh good one That is all I have I don't know I don't know anything else
Starting point is 00:27:24 Okay So I've got the Rough Riders Did you put Saskatchewan? I didn't know that I was supposed to put the actual city. I'm sorry. No, I didn't. I feel like... Well, let's just finish it.
Starting point is 00:27:37 We'll decide later. The Montreal Alouettes. Correct. Montreal Alouettes. No. I've got the Blue Bombers. Nice. Winnipeg.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And I've got the Lions. BC Lions. Yes. Four? And I'm really mad that I didn't get the Argonauts, but I did not get it. So I got four. All right. Okay, do you want to read the full nine for you guys?
Starting point is 00:28:01 We get the BC Lions, the Calgary Stampeders. Stampeders! I thought that was the Rough Riders. I definitely used to... Son of a bitch. That one was a Jimmy. We have the Edmonton Eskimos, the Saskatchewan Rough Ruff Riders, the Wattes, the Winnettys, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, the Hamilton Tiger Cats.
Starting point is 00:28:17 I remember that, yeah. That was, I was not going to get that one. The other ones I've all heard of that one, I have no idea of the Havana. Toronto Argonauts, Ottawa, Rough Riders, and the Montreal Alouettes. Wait, did you say this? You said there's two ref writers? You said the Saskatchewan Rough Riders and the Ottawa Rough Riders. Oh my God, wait.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Craig's looking at the list that anybody. I copy and pasted this from Wikipedia. I feel like there's got to be not too too. Flawless source. Well, one is with no space between Rough Riders and one is a space. Are you serious? What? Why don't you go to the Canadian Football League website instead of like Wikipedia?
Starting point is 00:28:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is really funny. that's a rigorous fact-checking process in action right there. I just assumed that going to Wikipedia would get it right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:08 So Saskatchewan Rough Riders and the Ottawa Red Blacks. Yes, Ottawa Red Blacks. Here, I'm looking at it right now. And Edmonton chains their name to the Elks. So there we go.
Starting point is 00:29:21 All right. Well, Dicke wiped the floor with me on that one. So I wonder if there were two Rough Riders. How? I mean, Rough Riders is plural. A lot of them. A lot of rough riders out there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Anyway, we've spent enough time doing that. I apologize to all our Canadian listeners who were probably devastated. I've never heard of the Hamilton Tiger Cats. I'm devastated and I get the aloets. All right. You guys, to be fair, I think I would have gotten zero. I'm upset up myself for not getting the stampeters.
Starting point is 00:29:46 That one was like a gimmie. Well, D. D.K. lives close to Canada. I'm just realizing this. DK. lives so close to Canada. Look, I got the B.C. team. Like, that's all I'm going to take credit for. I'm happy about that.
Starting point is 00:29:56 people in Vancouver won't be mad at me hopefully. Well, no, they will be. All right. DK gets KG Osborne, Craig gets Gabe Davis. I'm going to take, there's a lot of like real desperation ones, but as DK said, like, it's not fun to like plug in someone who sucks in your like playoff lineup. I'm going to go with Amon Ross St. Brown for the Lions because like Kent, Wayrock had Pro Football Focus tweeted this as a week.
Starting point is 00:30:18 I thought it blew my mind. The only receivers with more targets than Amon Russ St. Brown over the last two weeks. Chris Godwin, Justin Jefferson, Hunter Renfro, and the, Cooper Cup and Devante Adams. Those are the players with more targets than Ammanra St. Brown. Like Godwin, Jefferson, Renfro Cup, and Devante Adams. Like, that's insane. Amon Rae St. Brown has 12 targets.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Each of the last two weeks, 24 targets in two weeks is insane. Again, Godwin's at top of the list. He, like, set the Bucks franchise record. So, like, again, the Lions suck. This is probably like Amon Ra is getting these targets because D. D.J. Hawkinson's out. I get if T.J. Hawkinson comes back.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Amon Ra, like, will be volatile as a rookie on an awful freaking team. But still, like, if you really have to dumpster dive and like you're in a deeper league, you could do worse than the guy who's become a number, like target-wise the number one receiver 13. These are the only three wide receivers, I think that you could argue.
Starting point is 00:31:05 There's a massive tier drop. I don't know if you want to get into like Rob P. Anderson, Adam Humphreys, if Terry McLaren's out, but I think Osborne, Amonra, and Gabe Davis are the best three you can go with. I also want to throw some clarity at Rashad Bateman,
Starting point is 00:31:17 who we talked up for a long time, ended up having a great game with Tyler Huntley. I want to throw some cold water on that. Nathan Junkett, also PFF, had a great note that Rashad Bateman had seven catches for like 100 yards, but five of the seven catches
Starting point is 00:31:31 were in the fourth quarter when Sammy Watkins went out and that like when Sammy Watkins still plays for the Ravens, Rashad Bateman is just rotating in and not really on the field. If Sammy Watkins is out, Rashadman's like a good play.
Starting point is 00:31:42 But until then, if he comes back, like Bateman's just a part-time player and it's just not worth it. And then there's a bunch of other receivers we can run through if you want, but like Nico Collins for the Texans, Lequant Treadwell for the Jaguars.
Starting point is 00:31:52 But like, they're like number one, getting a lot of targets, but like, do you really want your fantasy playoff thing to come down to, like, Lequan Treadwell for the Jaguars or Nico Collins and the Texans and the Texans and, like, the worst game of the season? Also, Texans rematch. There's also, like, there's no buys this week, so I think you're probably less in
Starting point is 00:32:06 need of deep wide receivers. I completely agree. So anyway, those are the guys, I think those are the ones, but we can cleanse ourselves of that. All right, let's get to tight end. D. D.K., who is your number on tight end this week? This is going to be, I can see us all having different ones. It was like in the trenches style. I'm going with Gerald Everett, I guess,
Starting point is 00:32:22 for Seattle. Uh, 131% of leagues. He had a pretty quiet game in this one. He did score a touchdown to salvage everything, but based on the last month of usage, his target rate has been solid. You know, going back, I think the last three or four games,
Starting point is 00:32:36 Russell Wilson likes him. They utilize him as like a yard after the catch creator type guy. Like him in the red zone. With a lot of these guys, it is like touchdown or bust. And the Seahawks, I think, are the team that's most likely to score a touchdown of the list of players I have here.
Starting point is 00:32:54 yeah, I don't feel strongly about it. Who'd you go with High Fitz? I was torn. I thought about Austin Hooper, Craig's a middle school nemesis, but, you know, we don't know if I think Hooper is only playable when, like, David and Jokie was out and Harrison Bryant's out as he was this week. We don't know if that's going to be the case. So I'm all, and then Foster Monroe for the Raiders might come back, or sorry, Darren might come back for the Raiders, so Foster Monroe would be bad.
Starting point is 00:33:18 So I just went with Cole Commet, man. Cole Commit for the Bears, like I think Fields is playing well. Packers D roughed them. up kind of on Sunday of football, but like the Packers, he's really good. I just think Cole Commet for the Bears, if you got a dumpster dive, is like probably as good as you're going to do. I went with him, too. They're playing Minnesota, which I like.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I was actually debating maybe C.J. Uzoma, but they're at Denver. And Denver has just been really stingy against the past. Commets averaging, like five, six targets a game with Fields. Minnesota, you know, I think it's the best you can do. Yeah, and it made it tougher was like Dick Seals Jones, or boy, had a terrible game on Sunday and split time. I don't know if that was because he was partially hurt or whatever, but he, Dick, Seals Jones, the first
Starting point is 00:33:55 go around when Logan Thomas got hurt, Dick Seals Jones got like 99% of the snaps, and this week it was not that at all. It was like half. So if Ricky Seals Jones went back to his old role, that would be awesome. And if we get any indication he will, he would be at the top of my list, but until that, you don't want to roll into your fantasy playoffs.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Even against the Eagles, which is a great tight-end matchup, I don't want to roll of Ricky Seals-Jones until we know that he's going to like, you know, this week because it was because of injury or something. But if they're actually rotating him, that would be brutal. And I wouldn't want it. Can we shout out just like a deep, name guy who I found in my personal research. Brevin Jordan.
Starting point is 00:34:30 I had him on my list. Texas. Texans, baby. 21 years young. Seven targets with old Davis Mills. Brevin Jordan. They're playing the Jags this week. Someone's got to catch past. Targets. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going with Colquette. D.K., you want to take a for a spin on the trivia? Negotiate this trivia between Craig and I?
Starting point is 00:34:48 This is fun. This is a nice combination of trivias between all of us. Yeah, look at us. Okay. It is. The, have we ever had all three of us get to read trivia in one episode? I don't know if we have. How fun. A nice carousel. It is the Colquemette. I like this one. I kind of like this one from Bill. Other than Justin Herber and Justin Fields, how many quarterbacks with the first name Justin have started one or more NFL games?
Starting point is 00:35:18 Quarterbacks or players? Quarterbacks. Players would be a bit nuts. we had to guess how many like Adams are in the universe I don't forget know like we people send us wild stuff uh quarterbacks the first and Justin started game I don't know what I'm gonna say I okay I got it too I guess I'm going low I'm going three I was I'm gonna say I'm gonna say one
Starting point is 00:35:44 I debated zero Me too like if Herbert's the first I thought about zero We would have heard about that So I was like it's probably like single digit for sure. I was close to saying zero. I think it, what's the answer? Hold on, I'm gonna...
Starting point is 00:35:57 Your guys is... Oh my God, the answer is zero! God, German. I figured... What? God. Because I figured that's perhaps why the question's asked, right?
Starting point is 00:36:07 Like, if it was like six, that's not fun. We've never heard about this, though? Like, I feel like you would have been like, oh, the first Justin. There's been zero other justins that would start at NFL games? But, no, that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:36:20 So, Bill writes, there was a quarterback named Paul. Justin, who's last name was Justin. That makes sense. Justin's like a newish name. You don't know me. That's what I was just going to say. I just looked it up.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Damn. The name Justin has been widely popular since the 1980s. So it's been dipping in popularity a bit in recent years, but it's reached a tie of number nine on the male nameless in 1990. Yeah. I should have gone with zero. So maybe there should be more justins. I know some justins.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Good people, those justins. We have some justins at the ringer. Justin Sales. There you go. Shout out of Justin Sales. Okay, so I get Kmet. Ran a marathon out of spite. DK's got Gerald Everett.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Who you take in hyphids, Uzoma? I think it is Uzoma because the other options are so bad. I think D.K. made a good point of, like, you want people who've done it, and like, CG Usoma has popped, and it's nicer to have CG Usoma be bad for you, but at least you knew that there was a chance.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Whereas if you play someone who sucks and they suck, you feel like dumb and an idiot. I hate the idea of getting cute in the playoffs. I just think that's, yeah. C. Gizoma probably has a 20% chance to catch a touchdown. And like, just go with that. That sure. And then Ricky Seals Jones is a real option if we get any indication he'll return to a full-time role.
Starting point is 00:37:38 I would say that that's also very important to keep track of. And Austin Hooper is a very real option if David and Joku and Harrison Bryan are both out. But Harrison Bryan's come here from high ankle sprain, David and Joku. was on the COVID list. So if they both return, I would ignore all three of them. And then Foster Moreau if Darren Waller's out, but like, dude, this is ugly, man.
Starting point is 00:37:59 It's ugly. And the theme of this episode's clearly like, keep track of like what's going on this week. That's clearly the theme. Yeah, I mean, it's playoff time now. You have no excuse. You need to be on it this week on the news. 24-7.
Starting point is 00:38:14 All right, quarterback streaming. I think there's a few that are, a few that are obvious, one non-obvious. Jimmy Gropo against Atlanta. I think Jimmy's on the don't watch him playlist. And he just might get, good numbers. The Falcons are terrible past defense. Jimmy G solid. I think number
Starting point is 00:38:27 even better than that, though, is Tua against the Jets. If Tua is available, might not be, but like two against the Jets, the Jets, the Jets suck. That's kind of simple. And then Justin Fields, man. Yeah. This is very risky, but like Fields, like with the rushing, I know we've been saying this a lot, but like you look good against the Packers. Like, I think Fields is solid if you really need a streamer.
Starting point is 00:38:48 And then if you really want to go nice. Can I toss one out? Please. Ben Rothusberger. Oh my God, I knew it. That's the same with me. Yeah, if you really are desperate. I don't know why you're this desperate, but.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Yeah, they're playing the third. Tennessee gives up the third most fantasy points to quarterbacks. I mean, Ben's been... I think they've allowed the most over the last month the Titans Defense for Fantasy points. And as I stated, if you guys listen to the Sunday night show, Ben has been like a top five quarterbacks in the last four weeks.
Starting point is 00:39:16 You can... Now, do you want to go down this way? This is the real question. Because most of the time, spoiler alert, you don't win your fantasy championship. and you really have to go to the offseason being like, when am I at peace
Starting point is 00:39:26 with my decision-making process? Do you want to go down with like, I'd show, I played Ben Rothesberger because Lamar Jackson was out and I replaced him with Ben Rothesburg? But like,
Starting point is 00:39:35 do you think you'd really feel a lot better if you were like, I went down with Jimmy Carapolo? I think Tua is better. Tua, I would have Tua for sure. Jimmy and Ben are kind of in the same boat, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:39:47 At least you know Ben's going to throw it like 40 times. And he's got really good skill players. I mean, so does Jimmy. I think I'd go Fields and just grip it and rip it. No, I'd probably go Jimmy G. I don't know. Playing Ben, maybe the fact that we wouldn't play Ben is just such a personal bias of ours
Starting point is 00:40:03 that if we actually were objective about this, would be like obviously Ben's a solid streamer. I know. Last four weeks, Ben, 22, 19, 25. Like, he's... Oh, I guess. Yeah, I guess. All right.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Yeah, script. Ben. What a swan song. Well, the only thing I'll say, wait, where... Wait, wait, where is this game, this Steelers game next week? It's home. That's my only issue is that he looked really good in Minnesota, but that's in a dome. That's my only concern.
Starting point is 00:40:28 You know what I mean? He plays notorious. He's famously better at home. Yeah, but it's cold in Pittsburgh. Oh, he's never played in a cold game before? No, but he's almost 40 years old. His muscles probably need three hours to warm up. You know, he's probably hot a dome.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Hot route. Hot route. What about Tom Brady? Hot route. Tom Brady went to Florida and it's like, I'm never going back to the Northeast. I don't know why I did that. I know, but Brady was pretty good in his final years in New England. No, he was awful.
Starting point is 00:40:53 And then he left. I don't know if you know that, Craig. He left the team. You're saying Tom Brady was awful? What the hell he's talking about? He was not good in December. It is revisionist history. He looked old. He looked old in December of his final league with the Patriots. Am I, is it just me? Is that just me? This is a weird argument to be like Brady was bad from age 38 to 42 in New England because it was cold.
Starting point is 00:41:16 My point is, I'm just a little more concerned about Rathustberg in cold weather because he looked good in a dome the previous week. That's kind of what I'm saying. I don't know. I think deciding now after Ben's 15-year career in Pittsburgh that it's a little cold on Sunday, so maybe Ben won't play as well, it's just a little bit too little too late. No, it's the last two years of him not playing well. And we're like, well, the last three weeks. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:41:38 I don't have to tell you. He's a streamer. If you're down to it, like, look, this is a real question, right? Because it's weird. Like, if you have Patrick Mahomes, Rothusberger has surpassed Patrick Mahomes, last four, each of the last three games Patrick Moose has had. If you have Lamar Jackson and he doesn't play, we'll see if Lamar does play.
Starting point is 00:41:55 But you do have to pick someone up if you have Lamar at the very least. So it's a real question. So I would go to a first, Jimmy second for me, would you have Rathesburg or Fields? Because you're kind of banking on the best game of Fields' life or career so far. It's Monday night. This is tough.
Starting point is 00:42:14 I saw this tweet from J.G. Zachary, Easton, by the way. Justin Fields in his first five starts, 4.6 rush attempts, and 21 rushing yards per game. game, his last three completed starts, nine rushes and 74 yards per game. And remember, like, there was like a very strong delineation in terms of like early season. He wasn't running. He was like refusing to run.
Starting point is 00:42:36 And something along the line, like started clicking for him. And he just started to like take off and scramble. So it's almost like the taste of hill thing. It's like it's almost like it doesn't matter how bad he is as a passer. He's going to get those points because he's going to be running. however it is a big risk I don't know it's tough Fields is playing the Seahawks in week 16
Starting point is 00:42:57 who suck Davis Mills went 15 out of what was he 13 out of 13 was first 13 passes I think the Seahawks I think I go Fields over Rothsburger but you can add Rothsburger that's the point all right defenses yeah it is hard
Starting point is 00:43:11 I think the best defense to stream this week is probably the Dolphins versus the Jets for obvious reason the Jets are suck the Dolphins Blitzes are really good they had coming off a buy week like Dolphins defense the Vikings D against the Bears for everything we just said about Justin Fields
Starting point is 00:43:23 he turns the ball over a lot and like we said last week Packers Bears was a good one because they could get a defensive touchdown they did Vikings D very complicated could easily get a defensive touchdown against the Bears I think the Eagles off a bye week against the banged up Taylor Heineke in Washington
Starting point is 00:43:38 is very appealing I think those are the top three and then the Chief's defense is going against the Chargers which is scary but the Chief's defense has been crushing it I don't want any part of that that, though, that's going to be a shootout.
Starting point is 00:43:51 That's the thing. Like, I feel like it's kind of, it feels so sketchy to, like, recommend the chiefsty against the Chargers. So if you got, of those three, how would you order it, dolphins, Vikings, Eagles? I think I'm doing...
Starting point is 00:44:06 Dolphins are gone. But would you rather... Vikings are Chicago, Philly versus Washington. Um, I think I would go with Philly versus Washington. Especially if McLaren's out. Yeah, plus what's his name?
Starting point is 00:44:18 Heineke might not play either. He has a bum knee, I believe. Yeah, Kyle Allen against the Eagles would be very nice. it's very good odds for a touchdown for both Vikings, Eagles, and the dolphins. And then if those teams are not available, the other one to flip this, dude, the Titans against the Steelers, I know it seems crazy because it's like a lot of fantasy points allowed. I can't believe I'm learning this right now. The flip side, though, to the fantasy points allowed is like, that doesn't actually mess with
Starting point is 00:44:42 your defense. Like, you want defensive touchdowns and turnovers. And then the Steelers can do that, dude. I don't know if I would go with this, but, like, if all the good defenses are gone and like sharper leagues, like, I think you could get, you could do worse than the Titans day. Probably. But I would definitely try to have one of the other ones. All right.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Any other ones you want to shout out? Just wanted to say that Ben Rothesberger has seven picks on the year, which is 23rd. So, seven. Pretty good. How many fumbles is, yeah? Four. That's it? I actually thought it was much higher than that.
Starting point is 00:45:14 I feel like I see four a game, to be honest, when I watch the Steelers. Ben's dialed in. Shocking. All right. We don't have power hour this week. We're not going to have power hour for everyone. so I'm going to read one email this week in Lou of Bauer hour. Sweet.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Okay. It's from Pat. Pat. Gentlemen, as a listener since the Dannysy days, congrats on the glow up, Craig. Oh. I've always had trouble identifying with the binary nature of SpongeBob millennials or Saved by the Bell millennials.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Yeah. While I enjoyed the early days of SpongeBob and the reruns is saved by the bell, neither speaks to my adolescence all that much. So I'd like to propose a third classification for people born between 1985 and 1990 to be known as AOL millennials. most of my peers didn't get their first cell phone until high school, but I have vivid, all caps, vivid memories of preparing the perfect away message to let all my friends know I was busy attending the fifth grade dance.
Starting point is 00:46:04 I came to the conclusion after realizing I relate somewhat equally to Danny, Danny, and Craig, depending on the topic, I'm a homeowner, I'm a new dad, I'm very cynical, but still loves to party. You guys, and you guys collectively seem like a good hang. I love that he wrote, but still loves to party like he was Cal Norton at the Grace in Talladeganet. He's got a tuxedo t-shirt. CETO T-shirt.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Because I'm formal, but I like to party. Hopefully this email helps other listeners struggling with their millennial identity and makes them feel heard in this world. So, keep up to good work. Did you guys use AOL, Instant Messenger? I did, yeah. I did at the tail end of it.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Yeah, I did briefly as well. That's why, so 85 to 90 means you're what, 30 to 35 years old right now, which I guess we're not covering right now in our, on the show. Hyvitz and I are under 30. I feel like I can fill in for that demographic, though. But you think,
Starting point is 00:46:53 like a 33-year-old, D.K? No, I could, I'm saying I could, like, account for, like, 35-ish. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a good, it's a good question. I have a lot of friends that are in that 33 to my age range and a little bit older, so.
Starting point is 00:47:09 I'm going to talk to, I'm going to talk to Steve Sarudy. He's 33 years old. He's just turned 33. I want to talk about his childhood. Next meeting I have with him. There we go. I'll ask him.
Starting point is 00:47:17 I know. I had AOL instant messenger became a thing for me in college, I think. Like, we didn't really do it in high school as far as I can remember. And then in college, it was a big thing. And then I remember, like, my sophomore year of college, Facebook started cropping up. And that was like a sea change. That was just like a game changer for everything.
Starting point is 00:47:39 I had a friend who went to Stanford and he had it first. Well, there was like a few like Ivy League schools that had it first. Yeah. And he was like, check this thing out, dude. You're going to be bouncing your grandkids on the lap telling him about you actually having Facebook when Facebook was literally had to be registered with an ED. as you like pay taxes to your corporate Facebook because Facebook's become a country and they have like soldiers and military
Starting point is 00:47:59 you pay taxes to Facebook and when you're like when we're like when I had an eating year communicate to our loved ones via the metaverse right yeah we're not even actually in person anymore soon we're going to be doing pods yeah we're going to be wearing our giant masks sitting in the same virtual meeting room yeah okay on one hand is the metaverse is ridiculous on the other
Starting point is 00:48:19 hand we literally are like talking to each other virtually from like three completely different places in this country. So like we're already kind of in the metaverse. We still have a word for it. We just didn't know it. We don't know it yet. Wow. Was AIM the beginning of the metaverse? Was the telephone?
Starting point is 00:48:34 No, it was AOL. Okay. Well, the fantasy court will take this proposal for an AOL millennial into review. We'll discuss with, we'll consult with Serraud. Yeah, three tiers for millennials. It's quite elaborate. But isn't it very millennial that eventually we're going to break this up into like whatever subsection of whatever season you got into Saved by the Bell.
Starting point is 00:48:54 I'm like, that's not really what I want here. So now it's like we have, we have real like Gen Z millennials. We have true middle AOL millennials, according to this guy. And then we have more. Geriatric. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:06 I don't mind breaking it down into certain subsections because I do think in some ways we're aging faster because like, not like it matters. I see how like us getting AOL when we were in like fifth grade and DK getting AOL on Facebook when he was in college. Like there is a middle there. But we can only do it. I agree. I mean, I think we, you and I, Highfits are much closer to, like, 20-year-olds in terms of, like, their development in terms of social media than, like, D.K. is, right? Like, we had social media in high school, which I think is a massive difference compared to somebody like, D.K., who didn't have any of that.
Starting point is 00:49:36 100%. We had Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, like, all in high school. Facebook was long, was before high school for me. I didn't even have a cell phone in high school. But we didn't have, but we didn't have, I think the real difference between the next generation is, like, we didn't grow up, Craig and I didn't grow up with, the full-formed dopamine feedback loop of any of the social media cycles, the little red circles in your apps, unread things, games,
Starting point is 00:50:01 like that had not gotten a full motion. Yeah, that didn't mold our brains. Our brains were developing. We got it. It happened when we were like actual teenagers of when like it was normally going to phone at a certain age.
Starting point is 00:50:11 And like I certainly was not five years old with an iPad or like an iPhone or whatever. And like, not my iPhone, but your parents' iPhone. Like I had snake on my mom's like Motorola. That was my video game. the brick breaker on the Blackberry.
Starting point is 00:50:24 Great game. Oh, did you guys have Blackberries? Yeah, my dad had a Blackberry. I went through a Blackberry phase for like probably five, six years. Yeah, it was like your corporate phone. Should we start? Yeah. Did you rebuy any Blackberry stock, DK?
Starting point is 00:50:38 AMC GameStop. I kind of. That's going to be our offseason pod. We're going to start doing like meme stocks. That's going to, we're going to like meet showdown time for mean stocks. Kind of miss my BlackBerry. Shit coins. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Yeah. All right. I don't know if we can get sued for giving financial advice. We should probably end the podcast. We kind of are giving financial advice. Fantasy football is pretty much just gambling with like a cute little hat on. It's probably harder to talk shit in group text with your friends about like stocks. Or maybe that's just a thing when you get older.
Starting point is 00:51:03 I don't know. We all about it. All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Saved by the Bell and SpongeBob, both. Just really great, really good stuff.
Starting point is 00:51:13 We'll be back now on Friday. So we are not doing power hour during the fantasy playoffs. And then we will keep everybody updated on what our situation will look like as the real NFL playoffs begin in a month or so. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We will see you guys on Friday. Thank you, Lord.
Starting point is 00:51:28 Lord. Taking it back to the AOL days. Thank you, less than Jake. Look it up. Look it up. D.K's the best. Look up, dope, man. I love this guy.
Starting point is 00:51:40 Craig. American ska punk band from Gainesville, Florida. Go Gators. Why are all the weird bands from Florida? Like, why is every band, if you Google it from You could have just you could have stopped after weird. Why is all just weird things? Let's talk to Kevin Clark about this.
Starting point is 00:51:58 We're a consultant, Kevin Clark. All right.

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