The Ringer NFL Show - Must-Add Players for Week 4

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

We run through the injuries from Week 3 and offer up our must-add players for Week 4 with our favorite format, Showdown Time.  Injuries (1:09) Must-Adds RBs (9:24) WRs (20:27) TEs (39:31) QB Streamers (48:16) DEF Streamers (49:01) Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? I'm JJ John Gistramski. And I'm Jason Gough, and if you haven't heard, the ringer has gone local. I'm bringing the fire. I'm bringing the rain from the Big Apple with my show, New York, New York. And I'm reping Shy Town with my new show The Full Go on All Things Chicago. We've got episodes three nights a week with all the reaction to the local teams and guests. Plus bonus episodes around all the big games and storylines.

So whether you're uptown, downtown, downtown, in the burbs, or a transplant. Make sure you follow New York, New York, and the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. I think I sound better today, right? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Fantastic. We're going to go through waivers today. We're going to go through everyone you should add to your team. But first, we're going to hit some injury stuff. Christian McCaffrey. Holy crap. We haven't really gotten to talk about this because this happened after we did our previous show.

McCaffrey out for fuchs with a hamstring injury. Chuba Hubbard is the guy for Carolina. Royce Freeman's like third. So now Chuba Hubbard is like the starter. Royce Freeman's second. We can get to that second. Just, oh, we're here. Here we are again.

Time is a flat circle. Luckily, he avoided IR. McCaffrey avoided IR. So hopefully it's only like a two, two-week thing. Sounds like not as bad as expected, but a lot of people in my group chat, everybody who's got Christian McCaffrey in the two leagues I'm in

are just like, fuck McCaffrey. He's injury prone. Like, he's officially injury-prone. Oh, was that for me? It was, I had like, multiple people reach out from many facets of my life who just, I very quickly realized what they all had in common was they all had Christian McCaffrey in fantasy.

And it was like, they all kind of thought they were above reproach. They were like, this can't happen to me. I was blessed with the first pick. And like they was stunned. It was like they were pulled from their shining city upon a hill. It's rough. It's rough.

Are there any reliable running backs at this point in fantasy football? Derek Henry. Yeah, he's like inevitable. draft because like regression math says is like that guy sucks even though your eyeballs are like that's the best player i've ever seen in any sport this is why i love the zero rb strategy and i'm not talking about the one where you take like late running backs i'm talking about literally no running backs just

don't have running backs that's that should be the new rules next off season that'll be our thing well i actually have started to wonder if you just draft a team running back and just got all the rushing yards and just we don't think about any of this ever again but yeah anyway we can get to that much later. Okay, so McCaffrey's out for a few weeks. We'll see how long that is. James White was carted off with a hip injury. He's running back, obviously. He has a hip sublixation. I feel like no one used this word.

I feel like this is the same injury. It's just, it's sublixation. But anyway, he's out indefinitely, probably going on injury reserve. That's tough. AJ Brown, Titans receiver, left the game of the handstring injury. He's weak to week, according to Adam Schuster. That's so annoying. Not to mention Julio Jones is inevitable. It's going to be very tough to trust AJ

Brown going forward because it's one of those things that could get aggravated early in a game, you know, and, you know, obviously he's not trying to leave games early, but this is a big effect on your team. You know, you never know when to start him. He has so much upside, you have to start him. But, you know, again, it's just, it's been a disappointing start for AJ Brown,

so this definitely sucks. Yeah, and if you look at the Titans depth chart, so they have Josh Reynolds, they have Chester Rogers. That's kind of it. There's not a lot, not a lot to look at behind those two guys in Tennessee, honestly. do you guys know who leads the Titans in receiving arts? Is it Chester Rogers?

It is indeed. No, it's Julio Jones. Okay. But briefly, before this week, it was Chester Rogers. That's actually the most obvious choice, yes. Yeah, but Chester Rogers did. And then also Nick Westbrook, I can't pronounce the name of Keen. I don't know.

He also did well in this game. Okay, Juju Smith-Schuster bruised his ribs. He's day-to-day. And then obviously also Deonti Johnson is still. hurt from week two. So, Steelers are banged up. Also, if you watch them, they kind of suck. So, oh my gosh. The gifts, the gifts are the, the gift that keeps on giving today with Ben Rothsperger. There's one where he's just rolling to his right and he throws the fall and just, it looks like, looks like he'd got taken out by like a tripwire or something. He just falls on his face.

It's just so ridiculous. Stephen Ruiz, who works here at the ringer, he's a staff writer, posted this video of all of Ben's shenanigans in the first three weeks in the season. And he put like an old tiny movie filter over it and like played like old yakety sax style music. It's so funny. Yeah, he captioned it like guys like this couldn't play in the league. That was incredible. Okay, KJ. Hamler, Broncos receiver. This sucks.

Torn ACL out for the season. That's just awful. Obviously, Jerry Judy has the high ankle sprain. So he's out now KG Hamler's out. So I guess Tim Patrick steps up, not that they're like the same kind of player. Just really annoying because the Broncos receiving course is good. And now it's a lot worse. Yeah.

Okay. Tyler Lockett had an awful looking leg injury, and I was sure he'd be out for the season. He returned to play in the same game. As did Devante Adams after that head injury? I'm just out on guessing if people are hurt or not. I have no idea. Yeah, it turns out it's kind of hard to figure out what's going on inside

someone's body from on the TV. People should do that full time figuring out. You know what it's not hard to figure out what's going on inside someone's body? When you watch Devonte Adams get knocked unconscious and he leaves the field and then comes back in one and a half plays, that guy definitely had a concussion. 100%.

A bit strange because the NFL, and of course the NFL is coming back and saying, oh yeah, we feel very good about how that whole scenario went down. You know, bottom line, I hope he's okay. I just hope he's okay. Apparently there's a guy whose job it is is to monitor who got a concussion on the field

and he wears a red hat. And they can pull people out of the game and things like that because the teams aren't as willing to do it, you know, especially in crunch time situations like that. I think there should be a rule. If you lose consciousness, you shouldn't be able to come back into a football game.

That is a rule. Devante Adams lost consciousness. I, I, I mean, that's like a medical thing to decide, but I also shared that opinion while I was watching the television. Yeah. So I was surprised he rendered the game.

Yes. Anyway, Sterling Shepard and Darius Slate and Giants receivers both also left with hamstring injuries. A lot of hamstring injuries. So, I mean, that's just annoying. Kenny Gulliday also is managing like a hip thing just as he did last year.

So the Giants are banged up. Amazing what happens when you just gather a bunch of injury-prone players together. Okay. And then Elijah Moore for the Jets receiver also diagnosed the concussion. So.

D.K., is Elijah Moore dropable in 12-team leagues? I think so. I think there's better options. It's definitely on the verge. It's definitely on the verge. Like if you think about all the wide receivers we're about to bid on in this episode,

do you think you'd rather have all those guys than Elijah Moore? That is a very good question. Let me look at my list here. Yeah, probably. honestly. At this point, it's like, the offense for the Jets is just so low ceiling. You never know what you're going to get. You know, Zach Wilson is not going to look good. The protection is not held up. It's just one of those things is, are you going to want to depend on the Jets pass catchers? Especially when he's the number two pass catcher or three or worse, you know, at this point? Yeah. Even down the road, like, is his upside better than like Tim Patrick's? Probably not. Probably not. I'm definitely still like very bullish in Dynasty. But yeah, like season long, it's not looking good for him. It's just, it's not started out well. I mean, he missed a huge chunk of time in training. in camp with the quad injury or whatever it was. Now he's been diagnosed with a concussion so he could miss some time again.

And yeah, like I said before, just the offense sucks. So it's just there's such a low ceiling, you know, to begin with. So yeah, I would probably say this is, he's the type of guy who's like, you know, we could say drop him for one of these other guys who are picking up this week. I like, I like, yeah, we give so many add advice. I like to also give drop advice. Another guy that's dropableish, curious. I think Ronald Jones is getting in that place.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's definitely there. I mean, I think he's lost complete confidence. He's completely lost his confidence, plus the confidence of the coaches. It sounds like, you know, because Joe Bernard got hurt in this last game. And so it's sounding like, according to Arians, they're just going to lean more heavily on Leonard Fernette. So Lenny Fernette is starting to look like a three-down guy. You know, he has a low ceiling just because I don't think he's very dynamic as a runner in any and all that.

But it doesn't feel like Jones is pushing him for the job. And Jones, if anything, it's just been mental mistakes. So I don't know how you really come back from that, to be honest, unless Leonard Farnett gets hurt. Yeah. All right. So let's get to some showdown time. We're going to go through all the waiver pickups again. If you don't know how this works, we're all going to give our top pickup for this week at a position.

If we have the same guy, that's not allowed. So we're going to do a trivia tiebreaker to kind of simulate waivers. We're going to do trivia tiebreaker. Whoever's closer gets the guy. Whoever loses has to pick someone else. You'll figure it out. It's not super complicated. If you have showdown time, trivia questions, email.

It's at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. I go through them. Put the answers at the bottom of the text because otherwise I see him. Also put in the, just put in the subject line, showdown time, trivia, something like that. And we'll go through them. So thank you in advance to everyone who's already emailed us. We get a lot of these. So without further ado, DK.

Also, Alex Madison is not eligible for this week. We have decided this because he's owned in way too many leagues. he would certainly be the top choice though, right here? If he were. He's up there. Okay. Honestly, I don't... I honestly, you don't know if he is because I feel like

like Dalvin's going to play. Probably. Regardless, you should pick him up. But however, he's not in this exercise. So, with that said, D.K., your top running back choice after week three is who? It's Chuba Hubbard for the Panthers, who on Yahoo is 25% rostered. Did you guys pick him as well?

Wow. stunning. Mine was Benny Snell. No, yeah, it was Chuba Hubbard. Benny Snell has one touch this season, I think I saw. I think Todd Girl is going to go to the Niners. No, I have Chuba Hubbard, obviously. Yeah.

When McCaffrey's hurt, I mean, do we really need any analysis here beyond, like, do you think Chuba Hubbard gets the whole job? Or do you think, what's the breakdown between Chuba Hubbard and Royce Freeman, D.K.? I mean, I think it's going to be 80 plus percent Chuba Hubbard at this point. There's a small chance that I think Royce Freeman's going to be. to get worked in a little bit here and there so they can take a little bit of pressure off of Hubbard. But based on the way they used this duo in the game after Capri went out, it was like the Chuba Hubbard show. So assuming that sort of utilization carries over going forward, that's exactly what we can inspect.

He's going to get a lot of the groundwork. And then most of the work in the air, he had five targets in this last game, 27 yards receiving on three catches, plus 52 rushing yards on 11 carries. So it's definitely a really lucrative opportunity. As long as McCaffrey's out, he's going to be getting a huge amount of volume. And honestly, they're on a pretty good team right now. Like the Panthers are much better than anyone expected. So I think this is definitely a good opportunity on the way of wire this week, just this week because McAfry will be back probably pretty soon.

Yeah. Do you see him, D.K. as Mike Davis last year, like, you know, putting up 75-80% of McCaffrey's numbers? Yeah. I think that's probably the ballpark. I mean, this is a guy that rushed for 2,000 yards in 2019. He had a down 2020 for a variety of reasons. In college, correct. Sorry.

But, I mean, he's an explosive guy. He's handled the heavy workload before. He, you know, he's got that juice that I don't think Royce Freeman has whatsoever. Royce Freeman is more of like an early down grinder type guy. He's almost like a four-net type player. Chuba Hubbard is a slasher, and he's got some burst. So I'm kind of excited to see how he does. How much do you guys drop it on Chuba?

Like if he's only, if you think he's only got two, three weeks maybe here, like are you spending a third of your budget on him? Is it one of those type of big money drops? If you like are, if you're below 500, yeah, because you need to win. If you're like below 500 and you don't have great running backs or you're not who sure is in your flex, like go for it. Because like if you're two or three games under 500 a few weeks for now, it doesn't matter.

Like you suck. Yeah, plus he's still going to be a really high. high value flex or not flex really high value handcuff plus hamstring injuries man they're tough mcalfrey could end up re-injuring that thing so yeah i think he's definitely worth showing out i the first thing that came to my mind is like 25% maybe more but um you know i already blew it all on elijah mitchell so it doesn't matter same there you go what do we know okay so let's just get to it We don't need to sell Christian McCaffrey's backup anymore. Yeah.

It's from Benjamin. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Come on. Craig. It is Chuba Hubbard showdown time. It's from Benjamin.

The chocolate chip. It's much better with that way. It was, yeah, it's better. You've been saying showdown and the people wanted to showdown time. The people really wanted you to go back to what it was. People were upset. It wasn't called Showdown time anymore. It's just Showdown.

So we went back to Showdown time. It's like the difference between, Let's get ready to rumble and it's time. Just put them together. What? It's time to let's get ready for rumble. You know the two brothers that's like each have their catchphrase? Oh, the buffers?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the guy's got the let's get ready to rumble one. And then his brother's just, it's time. Isn't it? It's time. I could be misrembring. Well, that's UFC versus Bach. Yeah, it's like, it's time.

Should we go back to the McCaffrey thing? No, one time I was at a hotel working out in the gym and that buffer guy was next to me on an elliptical. Which Bruce or the UFC guy or the box? one. The boxing one. Was that in Miami? Yeah. That's awesome. Oh, I bet he's like shredded. He was pretty old, but looked very in shape.

Man. So, what they say about me. You know one of those. Okay. Man, now I just kind of want people to email us show down trivia times about the buffer family. Okay. From Benjamin. Ben. The chocolate chip cookie was

invented by Ruth Graves at the Toll House Inn in 1938. In what year was the Oreo invented. Wait, chocolate chocolate chip was invented 1938.

When was the Oreo invented? Yes. Okay. Fuck it. Let's go. All right. I think I know what

I'm going to say. Are we going to try and say this at the exact same time again? This is such a silly way of doing this, but I guess it works. What do you think we should do?

Just think of it and have integrity and then say it after the other person says it. Yeah. I mean, if we could trust Hyphitz, we would do it that way. I was going to say,

Hyphitz is the wild card here. You guys pit this? I am like the guy who cheats when it's just you two just won't go through the emails for the trivia. And then I get pit as the bad guy. Listen, I've got some trivia written down here, bub. Okay, let's go. All right. Craig, you go first. I'm going to have a number in my head and I'm just going to say it after you're done saying it.

No matter how dumb it sounds after my answer, which is going to be even dumber, I guarantee it you have to say that. You're going to be like, oh, I had 1138 during the Crusades. Uh-oh. I'm going to say, I'm going to say 1842. Holy shit. Okay. I'm going with 1961. I'm going 1941.

Feels like a World War II thing to me. I don't know why I figure that the point of this trivia is like the chocolate chip cookie sounds like the oldest cookie. It should be like the first cookie ever invented. So I would say this is like a reverse psychology thing where they're trying to make you guess later. I think it's before. Okay. I also think there's something up with this question.

there's an agenda this is big you're gonna think the Oreo is more modern and like interesting and weird but I'm gonna say it's for some reason old as shit 1912 what

so I said 41 Craig what year did you say 42 but 18 oh so I definitely won that that was very easy that different century altogether yeah

all right so I get Chuba Hubbard and I get some Oreos also quick important thing on Oreos. I love the double-stuffed. I think the resellable the package was like one of the great and long overdue innovations

of the 21st century right there with like, you know, the whole internet thing. However, there are way too many flavors of Oreos now. They basically just make the new, it's like M&Ms, they just make new flavors mostly to keep other companies

from having the space on the shelves, which is just as valuable as selling the original boxes. These flavors are out of control. It's like the new iPhone updates. Now we got it in, purple. It's like red velvet, pumpkin spice latte Oreos. I don't think it's like the iPhone, though. I have

to counter it to decay. Oreos are fantastic, but the spirit of the answer, I was correct. I predicted what the guy was trying to do. I went before the chocolate chip cookie. You guys both went after. He was trying to trick us into going back in time. I didn't fall for it. So, you know, I just want to give myself up. Can I also tell you guys something repulsive about me? I think Oreos are kind of better. with age. What?

No, they get all like shooy. That's a horrible fucking idea. They get stale. I thought you said you just said you like the seal thing.

Clearly you don't. I guess I didn't think about those are too contrarian things. Okay, you know what? Enough about the Oreos. Tell me about other. Who else are you guys picking?

Well, so who's closer? D. I said 61. You're closer, Dek. So you get to pick the next running back. I get you. I don't even want to pick the next running back

because it's just a huge drop off. So it was very difficult for me because I think there's an obvious choice and then there's a less obvious choice. I'm going with less obvious choice here. I'm going with JJ Taylor for the Patriots. Take a swing at the Patriots past catching back rotation going forward. Now, there's always the worry here that it's just going to be Brandon Bolden, who ended up playing a huge chunk of time after James White went out. In fact, he played more snaps in this game for the Patriots than Damien Harris did, which is, you know, just like, of course he did. You know, Brandon Bolden played more snaps than Damien Harris.

That makes sense. However, I think it's just tough because J.J. Taylor played in this last game. But there's always the argument, like maybe they just trusted this veteran, Brandon Bolden, to finish out this game. They weren't expecting James White to get hurt. And then going forward, they're going to game plan with J.J. Taylor. He's going to be ready, blah, blah, blah. Like, you could talk yourself into this idea that Taylor's going to step in and be like the James White in this offense. and I think he has more juice

and he's more talented at least as a runner because Brandon Bolden's more just like a special teamer. However, the Patriots could just be the Patriots and stick with Brandon Bolden. So this is a bit risky. However, I'm willing to take that risk because the James White role is valuable in PPR and half PPR.

So I'm going with JJ Taylor. Hope it works out. If it doesn't work out, I'm going to drop him. Don't drop a huge amount of your fab on this guy. But I think he's worth taking a risk on. don't play him this week unless we find something definitive though. I consider JJ Taylor.

I think that's a good pick. A lot of upside. Low floor, high ceiling. I'm going to go with John Gruden's favorite player, Peyton Barber. Yeah.

That was my other one. Just couldn't be a more depressing waiver ad than Peyton Barber. He had 23 carries last week. He had 21 fantasy points. Like, he was great, I guess. I don't know.

But this is just in case Josh Jacobs is not back, and he'll honestly probably get 15 plus touches again against the Chargers on Monday night. But I kind of feel like, Josh Jacobs will be back. Don't spend a lot of money on this,

but if you're desperate, you know. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I see what you're saying, D.K. I can't recommend getting on the Patriots roller coaster ride. At least with the Niners, we have the internal logic. They're good at running the ball and stuff.

The Patriots, it's like, oh, that sounds exhausting. Just eject yourself from that situation. Here's your chance to just leave. If you had James White, just take that ticket and get on the train and go. Okay. So basically get you hubbard or it's really depressing at running back. Yeah.

Let's get to wide receiver. This one I feel like, I wonder, I kind of feel like like we're not going to have a showdown time here, but that's my guess. All right. Deacon, who's your number one receiver pick? This one came down to two players for me. I ended up ultimately going with

Emmanuel Sanders from the Bills, who has 25% rostered in Yahoo Leagues, showed up big time in this last game, two touchdowns was a big part of their offense. I think he's starting to get more in tune and ingrained in this offense. And the reason I went with Sanders over some of these other very good options, I think,

is that I want a piece of this bill's passing offense, really. Josh Allen looked amazing this last week. He looked like the Josh Allen from last year. He looked like an MVP caliber type guy. Their bills pass a ton, regardless of game script. They're a very good team. They're going to be winning a lot, but they're still going to keep passing. So that's important.

And overall, just, I think he has a chance to continue to have a very high target rate week in and week out. He's going to get these touchdowns here and there because Josh Allen's a really good player. And defenses are going to be focused in on Stefan Diggs. So it was very close for me, but I'm ultimately leaning Sanders here. And I think that he's just going to continue to be pretty consistent. What do you think, Craig? I had Sanders second, a close second.

My first pick was Tim Patrick. Yeah. He had 98 yards last week. And it's really just going to be him and Sutton for a while here in Denver. and I like the way Teddy's playing. I just think he's a safe, reliable pick. Sanders, I do like, they pretty much, Sanders and Tim Patrick are essentially seeing

a same amount of target share. I guess there's just, I honestly think Tim Patrick has a higher shot of being more consistent. And, you know, Sanders is 34 coming off and he's an Achilles tear. Yeah, that's fair. He was my second pick, and I found it hard.

I think, honestly, it's just like the offense. I just, that was my tiebreaker, just the offense. But I agree with you. Teddy's looked good. Tim Patrick is legit good. That's the other thing. He's a guy that we've been talking about, you know, during the offseason here and there.

He's, like, the best fourth receiver in the NFL. But now he's the second receiver on their team. Maybe, like, technically the first because Sutton's still coming back, I think, you know, from the ACL tear. So because of injuries, he's going to get, he's probably going to see his target rate go up. They like him there. They play him a lot. It's getting a ton of snaps. So I definitely, you know, endorse this pick.

I like it. And I think, you know, he'd be definitely my, like, backup option behind Sanders. Hi, Fitz. I also had Sanders and Patrick won too. And to tell you the truth, like, I have been waffling all day on which I would rather have because it's exactly what we just discussed. Sanders is, has a larger part of the offense. I have liked him this season.

I'm wary of, like, chasing, like, the day he just had, where he was incredible, obviously. But, like, he doesn't look like he's 34 and coming off in Achilles, like, at all. He looks good. Like, he's a really good compliment to Diggs. And I keep coming back to that. Like I, whereas Tim Patrick, it's like, the opportunity is big. I also like Tim Patrick. Tim Patrick's good.

Tim Patrick would be a much, not more famous, but like he would just be a bigger deal if he was somewhere else for the last three years. Yeah. I just feel like if he had been somewhere else. But there is also someone we have not discussed here. And I'm kind of stunned. Name him. I wanted to ask you guys about Josh Gordon.

Oh. With the Chiefs. Buried the lead. We definitely forgot about that. And I'm kind of just surprised. Yeah, Josh Gordon, signing with the Chiefs, if he didn't hear it already, he's been activated off the commissioning exemplist

or whatever it was that he was on, signed with the Chiefs. They certainly need a third receiver. No one has really stepped up between DeMarcus Robinson, Mikul Hardman, and the never-ending carousel of guys, I guess Byron Pringle, a couple other guys. And I don't know.

He's 30 years old. He hasn't really done anything since 2013. But it's Josh Gordon. That's just kind of like what it comes down to, right? It's so weird saying he hasn't really done anything since 2013. So long ago. But also he kind of has. Every time he plays, he's pretty good.

That's not sure that he hasn't done nothing. I think if you're like a good team, like if your team's rolling right now and you're just trying to like stack advantages and you're like, you're feeling good. You feel like undefeated. And you're just basically already like, all right, I'm going to get to the playoffs. How do I just like maximize that roster? You want a lottery ticket on a guy with like an 11 out of 10 on the talent scale and like someone that strikes fear into your friend's hearts. You can add Josh Gordon. But if you need someone, anyone to do anything for you in like the next month or three weeks at least, I would not mess with Josh Gordon because it'll break your heart.

Oh, it's just so enticing. I will say 2018, he played 12 games. He had 737 yards. Just saying. Yeah. So you guys, we talked about this a couple weeks ago when we heard that he was potentially coming off the list. You asked me if I wanted him to be on the Seahawks, my team. And I lied through my teeth and said that I didn't want him to be on the Seahawks, or that I didn't

care. It turns out that I was lying through my teeth because on Sunday before the game, so John Schneider, Seahawks GM gives an interview every week before the Seahawks games. And he said on live radio that he couldn't talk about it technically because Josh Gordon wasn't yet officially reinstated, but he was looking forward to getting it rolling with him again soon. Basically, he insinuated, like, yeah, we're going to sign him. So, naturally, against, like, my better judgment, I let my heart, you know, like, accept him back into my heart.

He's going to be a Seahawk. And then he went and signed with the fucking Chiefs. But I am very happy for him, actually, and I'll be looking forward to it. I'm excited to see if he does anything. I mean, this, again, this Chief's offense needs somebody, like a playmaker to be, like, the third guy. So, you know, he's definitely talented. Here's my thoughts on the whole Gordon thing, like from a fantasy perspective.

We just thought there's so many other receivers out here who are like fringe and could make a good impact on a given day. There's Sanders. There's Tim Patrick. We haven't mentioned it yet. Brian Edwards for the Raiders looks good. Christian Kirk for the Cardinals had another big day. Terrace Marshall for the Panthers is unfortunately for me eating up some of Robbie Anderson's work. And I think as the Panthers like play more could play even better there.

But the point is there's a lot of receivers in this range. That's the point. I almost think you can pick up Josh Gordon with the intent to trade him if he does anything. Like that's almost to me the play. Like I don't actually want to sit around to wait for Gordon. I kind of like you can almost pick him up and if he does anything, you can flip him to someone who's obsessed with him. Right.

Which is me. I would, if he had a good game, I'd never trade him. I'd start him every game. But if he's a good game for someone else, I feel like I could toss him to you for something. You're talking to a guy who tweeted a couple hours ago that he's going to take out

alone so he can blow him. all his fap on Josh Gordon. He's just so electric. I just, I wanted to succeed so bad. And I, I truly think he's so good. Like, I think he is talent-wise still. If he's in shape, whatever, probably like a top 15 wide receiver in the league. He's 30.

That's not that old. Top 15. He's just like a Greek myth. Like, it's not, like, it's so long ago. Wow. What are you talking? He has averaged 60 yards a game for his entire career, and he's played plenty of games since that 2013 season.

He still averages like 62 yards a game. He is still extremely talented. Is there any player who's like, has honestly, probably the best nickname is Flash Gordon, really since Calvin Johnson was Megatron. I can't think of like a better, more apt to be a good nickname, yeah.

Okay, so anyway. No, no, no, we need to talk about this seriously. Like, how much money would you spend on Josh Gordon? Let's say, let's do two different things. What Hyatt said, you're 3 and 0, your team's killing it, whatever, you don't care. And then let's say you're desperate for a wide receiver. What's the difference?

You just prefer a receiver and you're saying you're like under 500 and your team hasn't done what you wanted to do? I would not I would not even get him unless you think he could flip him. Like if you have a Craig in your league who's like actually like loves Josh Gordon and you have an active trade league and you can flip him, sure. But like if you need to win now, like go get Chuba Hubbard, dude. Well, yeah, I'm saying that obviously, like I would say that you're probably not going to get him. Perhaps you will. But if you need a wide receiver, I don't know. I feel like you guys are underselling how fun Josh Gordon.

I think everyone knows the fun part. He's like a myth, though. Like you said, like I feel like every time he gets reinstated, which is like every year, everyone gets all excited, and then it's like a group text thing,

and then everybody, one person spends like a little bit too much on him, but have you checked the bit history, everybody bit on them. It's also, it's also the chiefs. Yeah, we also didn't even talk about that.

It's the chiefs thing. It's Patrick Mahomes. The chiefs have needed like a receiver opposite Tyree Kill and Kelsey for like a while. They haven't really filled that third spot. Sammy Watkins was there. and then like did nothing except just you know briefly win a super bowl with an incredible play but did nothing in the regular season and then now it's just like the most mythical guy like left

in the entire football world is just like in that role it's kind of ridiculous yeah if i spent my if i tried to play it safe and i was like i'm going to get hunter renfro instead who's had a very strong three weeks and then josh gordon in his first game with case do you want like a mulligan on the emmanuel sand or the timpatrick thing i don't know because i don't want to recommend it to people. So that's why I'm going to keep Tim Patrick is what I would recommend to people. I, however, will likely be irrational and throw some money at Josh Gordon. Yeah. I feel like I'm vaping in front of children and I'm like, this is fun, but you shouldn't do it. Exactly. I don't condone this behavior. Like, that's Josh Gordon. Okay.

Can we name a couple others before we get to the showdowns? Because I think that there's actually a pretty solid list here. Wait, Haifis, who did you choose? I'm taking Josh Gordon. I mean, just because supply and demand. So there's no showdown. Wow. There's no showdown. It's like supply and demand. I mean, it's like... That's fair.

You know... After all that, he went Josh Gordon. Yeah. You just shit on me for it. Yeah, but honestly, your enthusiasm made me realize... That's the second about facing this podcast alone. I love it.

Your enthusiasm just made me realize I should pick him up solely because other people will want him. Whereas Christian Kirk, no one really cares. Now that, you know what? If you pick him up only because other people want him and you don't, he's not going to play well for you.

You need to want him because you want him. Yeah. If your heart's not in it, it's not going to work. All right. So let's talk about a couple other people. I'm going Sanders. Craig's going Tim Patrick. High Fitz is going.

Josh Gordon. A couple other guys I think are worth being picked up. Hunter Renfro from the Raiders. We talked about him last night's show. Again, he's not like a ceiling play, but he just keeps getting like 10 PPR plus every week. He had a touchdown this week. He's a good route runner. Gruden loves him.

Grindrider, a real grinder. Cadarius Tony. He's white. Cadarius Tony. Cody. Caderius Tony looked good. Yeah, this is, so I actually just tweeted this out. And I think it's actually true.

It's like sometimes I get things right in fantasy football. And other times, coaches are dumb. Cadarius Tony looked pretty good in this last game. And then they just like decided not to give him the football whatsoever. No, no, no, I'm not letting. No, Cadarius, yes, he's looked good, but like, there have been reasons he has not played. They spent a fucking first round pick on him, Hyphitz. And he showed up the first day he wasn't playing in shoes.

They spent a. Because he signed in a deal with Adidas. He never played in Adidas before. Signs your deal with them. And then, like, they don't fit on his first day of work. Talk about shoes. You're talking about practice. Do you want me to give you that speech?

Yeah. Who gives it shit? So he didn't show up with shoes so you don't play him? Like, is he good? Like, that's why the Giants suck maybe because they're like, well, he didn't play. He had the hamstring. He had the lingering effects from COVID. And then he also had, like, a personal issue.

I'm just saying he barely played in training camp. All of a sudden, Heifitz is becoming, he's becoming a Giants apologist. Where's this coming from? I actually get what you're saying. I'm just, get busting your balls. He can't bash the Giants for not playing him through the first two weeks. That's all. He got like, he caught like two passes in one drive, and I watched the drive for some odd

reason. I was watching the Giants. And he looked like the best receiver on the Giants. He looked extremely electric. Why? Because Stirling Shepard and Darius Slaten were both out with injuries. That's the point. I mean, he looked better than Kenny Gallaudet.

He looked better than Evan Ingram. I don't know. He looked really good to me. And I was like, damn. I didn't even know it was him because he's numbers in the 80s, right? I didn't even realize it was Cadarious Tony until the announcer said it and I was like, wow, that guy looked pretty good. Yeah. But being, like, really just being serious.

Like Sterling Shepard's out, Darius Slayton's out, both hamstring injuries, those could linger. Kenny Goladay already came into his game banged up. Basically, their entire offense is banged up. So I think he's worth that least to stash again. And I'm saying this dead serious. He was the 20th pick. Like, he's the first round pick, you know? I think that they need to get him worked into their offense,

or at least they should. So we'll see how that goes. I think James Washington from the Steelers is an interesting one. I know that Big Ben's arm is completely shot, but Juju Smith-Schuster, Ribs injury, Deontay Johnson, banged up. It's basically it's Washington and Claypool, right? Who else is involved? I know that Ray Ray McLeod maybe got some snaps in this past game,

but... Lajie Harrison is 19 targets. There you go, yeah. I think Washington could be, a desperation flex type guy. And then, I mean, I'm not necessarily saying you should go do this, but AJ Green is, you know, certainly still a part of this Cardinals' offense, and he's getting targets, and he's not going to get replaced because he's playing on the outside.

So, you know, I'm still waiting for this Rondale more breakout to happen, and I might end up really regretting talking about him last week. But I don't think AJ Green is getting replaced because he plays on the outside, and that's his role. And so he's going to continue to, like, do that. And so he could be a guy that, you know, has these spike weeks here and there. So let's, so let's rule out Tim Patrick, Cammanuel Sanders, and Josh Gordon. Who was your guys favorite pickup other than those three people?

Honestly, it's probably Renfro. We barely talked about Christian Kirk, who we just, I mean, he had another big deal, another big day. And like, it's funny. Is he, is he on this list? Because what was his, what was his roster ship, like, number? Like, 22%. Because I would have him, I would have him over AJ Green. for sure.

It's tough. I don't know what's going on in ESPN, but for some reason, people, he's only 22%, but he's 51 in Yahoo. Yeah, so I didn't even consider him because he is 51%

but still. Yeah, if he's available, go grab him for sure. I would agree. I think Kirk would be the guy. If not, I think I would go with Brian Edwards. I kind of like Brian Edwards.

I like Brian Edwards too. I do want to just shout out again. He has more yards in overtime than regular time, which is astonishing. We're just banking on the fact that Oakland plays, or Oakland, that Las Vegas plays five quarters every week.

He's clutch. Yeah. The other guy I want to shout out is Terris Marshall, the rookie from LSU that D.K. loves, and unfortunately I have to admit, eating a little into Robbie Anderson's workload, but the reason I want to shout this out is that two things. One, McCaffrey being hurt. McAfrey gets more than, like, a

fifth of Panthers' targets. So that's not all going to Chuba Hubbard. The targets will be redistributed. So one, there's just like, even Chuba Hubbard gets half, like, so I'm not just a tenth of Panthers targets are on the table. Two, they're going to throw more because the Panthers are the only team in the NFL that have not trailed for even a play this entire season.

So Donald's out here. Sam Donald is the QB 11 through three weeks. I mean, we're doing this perform in football. But Donald's the QB 11 without having played from behind yet. And obviously playing from behind is one of the ways you rack up passing yards. So I feel like there's a lot more stuff. coming for these Panthers receivers for DJ Moore for Robbie Anderson and for Terris Marshall probably enough for all three of them if you combine the incoming you like the the target redistribution

from McCaffrey with them just playing from behind eventually I think there's going to be a lot more for that the Panthers in the future yeah that's pretty nice they played Dallas next week too you know it's a fun game to play and it's it's stupid because this is not something that happens every year but like if you go back and remember that Justin Jefferson really didn't do anything until like week three. And then he had 1,400 yards. And it's like we could be sitting on this like actual gold mine player and he's just sitting out there on waivers or whatever.

I know that a lot of people probably picked up Jefferson and held him last year. But it's just, I don't know, it's just good context because that, you know, especially among like rookie players, like Terrace Marshall is a good example. You know, maybe this breakout's coming and we just, we just have no idea. Maybe it's Josh Gordon. Everyone has an idea. There we go. Can I challenge you to a Josh Gordon showdown?

You want a duel? You want a duel? Yeah. I accept. Let's do it. I got some trivia here. I accept, but yeah, no, I accept. All right.

Craig, give me the showdown. It is the Flash, Gordon. Showdown time. That was like a vintage one. Yeah, that's good. All right, this is an old one. From Mark S. How many Earths can fit inside the sun?

Oh, I. I used to know this. What? Why would you know that? Do you know it? Should I give another question? No, no, no. Because the number that popped into my head is the distance in miles between the earth and the sun.

But that's not obviously the right answer. How many Earths can fit inside the sun? I'm trying to think of those, those like gifts you always see where it's like moon and then it zooms out. And then there's the Earth and then it zooms out. There's like Saturn. It blows your mind. Yeah. I think it's like a lot.

Craig, I'm going to make you go first. Oh, I think I'm just going to win this one. Okay. What you got? Oh, I'm going to say something stupid. I know it. Do it. A one billion Earths.

One billion Earths can fit inside the sun. That feels high. High fits. You should have already picked your number. So what was your number? So the first thing that popped in my head was 92 million, but I believe that's how many miles are from the Earth to the Sun. I think it's more than a billion. Okay.

I'm going to go with $2 billion. Craig, what did you say? One billion. You guys are both real high, but that's okay. So Craig gets him? It's 1.3 million Earths can fit. Boom. I mean, it's still a lot.

It's still more than I would think. The sun is huge, you guys. So Craig, congrats on Flash Gordon. Shit. Thank you. Wow, I feel good. Now, he is on a rightful manager's roster now. Like, I will appreciate him.

welcome into my team, Josh. I'm very upset that I got that wrong. I had that on a silver platter. Just like the Chiefs, Josh is now on the proper fantasy team. Wow. God damn it. That was big.

I'm like actually really mad at myself. Okay, let's just move on for everyone's sake. All right, let's get to tight end. So shout out a couple people. Colton James, many people suggest that we wanted a name for tight end streaming. It should just be called buffering. That's good.

We actually got a, we had some good ones. We had multiple good ones. I can't remember off the top of my head. There was one that was just like weak desert streams, which is like, you know, there's just not anything out there. There's also a week stream. George said loose ends.

That's also kind of funny. It's tough out there in the tight end streets is the point. I like buffering, though, because you're like, wow, I feel I should have just paid for better internet or whatever. There's something wrong here. Yeah. You know how when you're watching Netflix and if it has a buffering issue, it's like, this title is no longer available.

Please try again later. It's like, fuck you. I'm not trying later. I'm going to try it right now. Like, fucking fix it. I'm not trying later. You fix your problem and get, like, get it going. I pay for this service.

Who's your guys' number one tied in for this week for streaming or buffering? I'm going with, and it came down to two guys for me, Tyler Conklin for the Vikings. And, High Fitz, I got to give you some credit here. I kind of argued in favor of KJ Osborne last week. And it looks like Tyler, Tyler Conklin kind of took it in. came in and kind of took his role a little bit in this last game. We'll have to see how it kind of all shakes out because I think with the Vikings offense,

there's definitely some like meat on the bone. It's not all going to, it's not all going to Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen. They're passing a lot. Kirk Cousins is like straight up bawling out right now. So I don't know. I just think that there's something there potentially with Conklin. He's at least worth taking a flyer on and seeing how it goes.

again, it goes back to like last, last, what I was just talking about, like, where Justin Jefferson didn't break out really until like week three or four. And all of a sudden he has 1400 freaking yards. I'm not saying that's going to happen to Tyler Conklin, but I'm saying he might be working his way into the offense. He had eight targets for seven catches, 71 or 70 yards and one touchdown this past week. That's exactly what you're looking for at the tight end position, eight targets. A lot of times you're talking about streaming tight ends that got like three targets and turned it into a touchdown. So like eight, like anytime you can find a guy with eight targets and any offense.

I think it's worth kind of just taking a flyer on. So he's rostered in 4% of leagues. He's athletic. This is exactly what we were kind of hoping for. Oh, he's athletic. He's an athletic player. Yeah.

And I'm never going to stop saying that. I also had Tyler Conklin for all those reasons, except the athleticism because it doesn't need to be said. But yeah, no, the Vikings really like him and he's good. Craig, who did you have? I have him as well. Wow, okay. Oh, man.

It's bleak out there. Well, the one I was going to add for the record, Pat Friermuth, Steelers. He is actually the definition of a guy that you're kind of hoping for a touchdown with. Save him for when you lose the showdown time. Oh, yeah, okay, cool. All right, let's see here.

Tyler Conklin. It's time for the Tyler Conklin showdown time. Can you add like a vibrato to your voice or like a smashing sound like a Michael buffer. There we go. That's good. From Michael. All right.

This is for Tyler Conklin, which is Mike. This is not the stakes we're looking for for this exercise, but okay. From Michael, black ivory coffee is one of the most expensive coffees in the world made by partially digested coffee beans, pooped out by elephants. Good Lord. How much does one pound of black ivory coffee cost? Okay. Well, is this one of those things like corn? where it's like, who's buying it?

Is this to, is this wholesale? I think that this is a luxury good. It's a pound. A pound of it. Pound of the coffee, yeah. Seems like awfully labor intensive to get this coffee. And wait, this is the pound of, is it coffee beans, coffee ground that's digested in past? What does that mean?

There's also one with like beetles where they make this too. Yeah. Can you explain why people would do that? I believe that their digestive system does something to the bean that. It's like opens up the tannins. Yeah, let's go with that. Putting it, it's decantering it. I feel like the first person who had the coffee did it as a joke.

And they're like, hey, you know, Elson poop beans are really good. You should try that. It was definitely a prank. Yeah, like a classroom prank. You put it in your teacher's coffee. They prank their buddy. And this guy was like, this coffee's unreal.

And they were like, wait, what? That guy does not work as a teacher anymore. He's rich as fuck. Wait, what is the name of these beans again? What is it? Black ivory coffee. Why, you googling it, Craig? No, I just wanted to know. Black ivory coffee. This is so hard because I, again, this is the corn problem.

I have no idea how much fucking bulks costs with anything. I got a number. I got a number. All right, so do I. Go ahead. High Fitz. I'm going with like 150 bucks because you got to get an elephant to eat it, poop it out, and then you've got to mail this to like really rich people to places where they don't

live where elephants are. So this has to cost a lot of money, right? Truth be told, that was my exact number was 150. Really? Yes. Like this has to be sold to rich people, right? You guys are going way low, I think,

based on what my initial guess was. I was going to say five grand. Wow. For a pound? I thought I was too high. I thought heroin costs here. This has a streak value of $1 million. Yeah.

I think a pound of heroin goes for more than $5 grand. Well, yeah, I know. I'm just saying like, I'm talking like, you're going. Yeah, you got $150. dollars for a fucking pound. That's like, I mean, this is like,

we're not, this is the difference between weed and cocaine, guys. It's, you gotta go higher. Okay, what is it? How much is shit it out?

Pounds at the time. I don't know. I, so Craig, so, Dick, you said what? Five grand. Okay, so Craig,

you just can decide it right now if you want to go above or below 150. He said 150. No, I said 150. Yeah, we have the same number. So we have the same number. Okay, well,

we'll just go from there. All right. So we'll just see, we'll just see what the answer is. And, a $500 a pound. Okay. Son of a bitch.

Went way too hard. He got all worked up. This guy really fucking like upsold me on this stuff. Damn it. Anytime you had elephant shit, I add a couple grand to it. Yeah. Turns out I paid way too much. Craig, you know what? You can just have Tyler Conklin.

That's how we did this. I don't want him that bad. It's fine. Who are you going to take Dawson Knox? Yeah, actually. I was going to put between Dawson Knox and Gerald Everett and I feel like DK's gonna take Gerald Everett else take Dawson Knox I don't know it's like these two are actually I'm torn Dawson Knox

here's the other Dawson Knox so the bill's tight end he's sixth in routes run shout out to pro football focus for throwing this out there I don't know if you guys know this you can't catch passes if you don't run routes so he's sixth among tight ends and round routes run the only guys ahead of him are Travis Kelsey Darren Waller

Kyle Pitts George Kittle Mark Andrews Logan Thomas, Colt Commet, which is six of the top seven tight ends by consensus, and then also Colquette for some reason. That Colquette, like drop at the very end, just like a dart, like a dart through my heart. He brings down the whole, but the point is, don't worry about Colquette. Yeah. Dawson Knox is running routes in this portion. It's like the bills throw a ton.

It's what Dika said earlier about Emmanuel Sanders. You want a piece of the offense. It's not great. It's not sexy. He's there. You know what he is? Hey, you know what he is? You know why he was the third round pick, Haifitz?

If you say athletic, I'm going to fucking blow a gasket. It's because he's athletic. He didn't have a touchdown catch in college, I'm pretty sure. Nice. They just liked him because he had athletic traits. Good body control. We know. That's the base qualification.

Yeah, but he's athletic is the thing. He also did very, he did some interesting, like, hand-eye coordination stuff in the off-season. He's working at his craft. He had a vision coach because he led all tight ends drops is what you mean. Yes. Is that what you're going for? I mean, it's, you know, glass-hap. The flip size also Gerald Everett had five catches for 54 yards,

which I actually think is also interesting. And obviously, you could easily recommend. I'm not going to recommend Gerald Everett because it's the Seahawks, and I just can no longer trust anything they do. But Gerald Everett looks like the best player in the NFL every time he touches the ball. He looks like a wide receiver. Every time I see him, I can't, I'm like, oh, shit, that's...

He's so explosive. I don't get it. Like, get him the ball more. Of course it's not going to happen because... Can I flip this? If D.K.'s afraid to recommend him. I actually kind of want Gerald Everett, because that's a fan.

Like the same thing you did with Josh Gordon. That's the fan instinct, protecting like the thing that he knows is nice and good and pure. Yeah. Okay. So Gerald Everett also knocks, Tyler Conklin,

there's your buffering for the week. Okay. Streamers, quarterbacks, I mean, Kirk Cousins, we talked about, is,

like, unbelievable this year if he's still out there. Otherwise, Sam Darnold. Yeah, 22% in Yahoo. Top 12 quarterback,

and they haven't, like, been losing for one play yet. Like, Darnold's out there. Go get Darned. if you really need to stream someone. I don't know if there's anyone else you guys want throughout and what can just get to defenses?

Let's see. I had Taylor Heineke at Atlanta. I mean, that's like, I definitely would rather go Darnold there. But, you know, he definitely, you know, just kind of like got the gunslinger attitude. They're going to be, I don't think they're going to be playing from behind in this game, though, so that might be. Yeah, Teddy Bridgewater is another guy who's been kind of decent.

He's low-owned. All right. Defense. First of all, just going to show up. Saints defense is like the number one defense in fantasy. They're only really rostered like halfish. So they're probably not available in your league, but like check. Because they're number one and they're going against Daniel Jones this week.

So just thrown out of there. But they're probably not a streamer for you. I want to throw out three or four at you guys. I'm curious who you would pick if you had to stream one of these. The bears are going against the lions who are feisty, but also Jared Gough, under pressure is not great. And the Bears D-Lines has been unreal. The dolphins are going against the cults.

and like I kind of love the idea of some Brian Flores blitzes against Carson Wentz. Okay. The Packers are playing the Steelers. Oh. And then the Titans are playing the Jets. What was the first one you said again?

I like that one. The Bears against the Lions. No, I'm not taking that one. I bet on, I already bet on the Lions Money Line. I think they're going to win that game. Ooh. Wow. Look at you. Getting out ahead of it. The Lions have lost by two

to like three straight good teams. the lions are like a decent I think they're like a seven-win team honestly and I think the bears suck I think I would take the Titans against the Jets I think I would too I think you have to kind of just bet against

that while they do something of any significance even if the Titans defense sucks like the Jets are of a different dimension of sucking yeah all right I think that's all we got we passed that like a partially digested coffee bean God okay graphic

What do you guys think? Hey, if I'll drink coffee, I will stop my band. I will break my fast on coffee if we get this $500 bag of elephant shit beans. Someone's, yeah, we'll just get some people to email us to coffee. That's all. How do you find it? Like, is it? Can you just buy it online? Like, where is it? That's what Google's for, Craig. I don't know the answer. Well, I assumed you knew. You know, you read on emails. Oh, Amazon. I guess it's on Amazon. Oh, Amazon's only $300. Oh, currently unavailable. I have to get it on the black market. The world's rarest? Wow, coffee naturally refined.

Naturally refined by elephants. Jesus. Good branding. All right. Enough of that. All right. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K.

Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Pixies. Also, thank you to everyone for email those trivia questions. Ringer Fantasy Footballch email.com. Email, showdown questions. That's cool. Pixies, DK.

Thanks. Appreciate it. What's your favorite song by Pixies? I don't have one. I just, I feel like they're a band that like Chris Ryan likes. It's probably true, yeah. That's it. That's how we're ending.

And Steve.