The Ringer NFL Show - Must-Add Players for Week 7

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

We run through the injuries from Week 6 and offer up our must-add players for Week 7 with our favorite format, Showdown Time.  Must-Adds RBs (5:16) WRs (25:45) TEs (37:12) QB Streamers (49:12) DEF S...treamers (52:06) Listener Emails (53:17) Email us at ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On R2C2, C-2, C-Sabathia and Ryan Rucco guide listeners through everything going on in the MLB, NBA, and NFL. They also talk to friends, athletes, and celebrities about the world of sports, and much more. Check out R2C2 with C-C-2 with C-Sabathia and Ryan Ruko on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. The Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hypoens. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. We are going to go through all the waivers you need after week six, kind of week seven, obviously. And all the guys you should add to your team this week.
Starting point is 00:00:43 this is actually a huge week this is maybe the biggest week for Wavy so far because your starters someone's not gonna play for you this week this is the first real buy week last week there were like four teams on by but like they only have like seven combined players that mattered
Starting point is 00:00:56 this week there are six teams on by bills cowboys, Steelers Vikings, Chargers so that's like four of the best offenses in football also the Steelers and the Jaguars ho how see what I did that's fair
Starting point is 00:01:10 so I want to be counted basically there are like 20 guys that are definitely starting fantasy football players that are on by this week. That doesn't include injuries. So this is a huge week for StartSit, huge week for ads,
Starting point is 00:01:21 and maybe plug and play guys from waivers. So we're going to go through all them. We're going to start with running backs with Craig, if you will. You want me to do it now? I was going to say we're going to do... It's going to preview the showdowns. Showdown time.
Starting point is 00:01:34 We're to preview the showdown time. Yeah, how did you know? Okay, I thought that was really obvious. Well, I thought we only, I want to keep it sacred. We only do it when the showdown time is occurring. You know, I thought we just had it down. It's okay. Hi Fitz, before we get to the injuries real quick, I want to ask you guys something, when do you guys go forward and set your lineups for the following week?
Starting point is 00:01:53 Like, do you get real excited, like, on Monday or Tuesday and set your lineups? Or do you wait until the last minute, like Thursday afternoon and set your lineups? I do a preliminary, like, just make sure guys are in the right spots thing. And then I circle back to it. And the off chance I would forget, I don't want a buy a guy in my lineup or something. Maybe it's just because I have ADD, but I always go in and, like, Sunday night. Monday morning set my lineups for the next week because I also think it kind of gives me an idea of like where I'm really desperate at certain positions. You know what I mean? And like it helps me
Starting point is 00:02:22 with doing waivers and all that. The reason I bring all that up is because I went through and I was setting some of my lineups this morning. And my God, it would take you like an hour and a half? No, it takes me about 15 minutes maybe, 10 minutes. My God, there are some ugly ass lineups going into the like it's almost like embarrassing to hit the. submit lineups. So like an MFL, you submit your lineups. It actually sends you an email to your opponent of who your lineups are. And I'm like, God, this is embarrassing
Starting point is 00:02:50 to actually hit the submit button on this. But yeah, bottom line, with all these buys, with all the injuries, there's some brutal-ass lineups going into effect this week. And so this could be a more important waiver week than normal. Well, imagine if you have like Ezekiel Elliott and like
Starting point is 00:03:05 Najee Harris, which is pretty great and you have Tony Pollard's a handcuff. Well, now the Steelers and Vikings are, Steelers and Cowboys are both on buys. So you just have to find two different running backs. You know, it's just like, you can have a great team
Starting point is 00:03:18 and have a terrible lineup this week. Happens every year. I always forget how bad some of the lineups get during the middle of the season. It's kind of fun. I don't know if this is a hot take, but I enjoy struggling in biweeks.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Yeah. It's fun to be like, who could I start? Trying to extract value from like random-ass players, yeah. I want to take this moment to confirm that despite this week
Starting point is 00:03:36 be annoying, I have no interest and probably never will have an interest in stacking by weeks when I draft players. I could not give less of a shit. I agree. But it's fun when, like,
Starting point is 00:03:46 you have one disastrous week because then you feel like you can really flex your fantasy expertise and be like, oh, well, I can start guys off the waivers and still get to win. It's like house money. You're like, I'm playing John Ross this week.
Starting point is 00:03:56 You know what? I don't expect to win, but we'll see. All right, so we're going to go position by position. Again, you will hear this sound. Oh, I went a lot over, didn't I? That's the power hour thing. You're all screwed up. What is wrong with me?
Starting point is 00:04:10 It's showdown time. We are going to do waivers through a trivia showdown, and that's it. We go position by position. We can't have the same guy. I guess people get it. It's like you'll hear a sound. We're going to fight over trivia. Yeah, people get it.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Okay. Hold on. Sorry. There's a giant truck outside my window. What kind of truck? I love trucks. It's a dump truck. Calvin would be just a pig and shit if he was here.
Starting point is 00:04:31 You know what that is? That's actually the email delivering your lineup for the week. Good one. There's something about kids and trucks. When I was a kid, I loved the garbage. truck. I used to stare out the window and watch the garbage truck come every day. It's absolutely a thing. Calvin loves that. He loves a recycling truck. He runs to the window, like starts banging on the window, yelling high to him. He loves when they go by. It's hilarious. I don't get it. I still kind of
Starting point is 00:04:52 like the garbage truck. Like watching the big clock. I watch the big, I don't know any of the vocabulary, but the big crusher thing, the big crusher wall that like almost killed Hans Sol in Star Wars, like that thing. And it was, I mean, it's garbage, so it's gross. It's like satisfying, it was so aesthetically pleasing to watch that thing. Yeah, oddly satisfying. It is very, oh, the great, right. Okay, the truck is gone. Is it time to talk about football?
Starting point is 00:05:15 Yeah. There's probably some football metaphor there of like, or by weeks. It doesn't matter. Okay. Quick injury stuff before we get, so first of all guys in by this week, Tony Pollard and Zeke Elliott, obviously.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Zach Mawson, Devin Singletary, Najee Harris, Austin, Eckler, James Robinson are all on by. Injuries. Nick Chub is already out. Sorry, I am all over the place today. He was out.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Nick Chubb was out on Sunday. Cream Hunt got her. Could be back. Cream Hunt is out at least three weeks with calf injury. It might be four to six weeks for Cream Hunt. Nick Chub might play this week,
Starting point is 00:05:47 but the Browns play on Thursday night football. So Nick Chubb has not been ruled out for that game, certainly hasn't been ruled in for that game. Head coach Kevin Stavansky says the short week makes it a lot tougher for Chuck to play in the short week. Also, Baker Mayfield hurt is non-throwing shoulder. Again. How the hell did he keep playing, by the way?
Starting point is 00:06:05 That was insane. He came back in like 20 seconds. He's tough. I have a very simple rule for injuries this year. if the injury looks bad, the player's fine, if the player looks fine, the injury is bad.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Like, that's it. Right. If you watch the injury and you're like, he's probably fine, he's, but he's out for the season. Except that,
Starting point is 00:06:20 that one looked bad in. That one looked bad at the time. But Deonté Johnson, everyone looks bad and he's playing. It's like, you know what I mean? That's true.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Okay. And then also, Adel heard his shoulder. Lock around with the Browns. Antonio Gibson for Washington, he played the shin injury. Seems like it got worse. We don't know the status of that yet.
Starting point is 00:06:37 We're recording Monday afternoon, but I'm not optimistic. I'll put it that way. And even if he does play, it is not going to get better as the season goes on. Seahawks running back, Alex Collins heard his hip twice in this game.
Starting point is 00:06:47 So Chris Carson is their starting. He's already an injured reserve. Alex Collins, we don't know, again, the status of the hip. Pete Carroll, the head coach for Seattle said this morning on the ESPN radio,
Starting point is 00:06:56 quote, Alex Collins is not out of next week. We've got to see how he handles it, end quote. Not like he's not out next week. He's not out of it. They're not ruling him out yet. Which is very complicated
Starting point is 00:07:06 when he say he might be in for next week. By the way, Rashad Penny is coming off injured reserve and will be full speed ready to roll, according to Pete Carroll. Yeah. What I was going to say about the call-in situation is obviously we have to monitor this. This is Monday afternoon and we haven't gotten like the full details on this situation. However, Pete Carroll is the king of like giving you like a very vague. Vague diagnostics.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Yeah, like his diagnostics are so, so positive. They usually almost always end up being like way much. more positive than they need to be like... Russell Wilson practiced this week. That should tell you how weird... Russell Wilson's weird diagnostics. Russell Wilson endorsed water that was like it prevents concussions. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Just micro-pubbles. Weird stuff in Seattle. But he like, for instance, I think with Carson, he was like, oh yeah, he's day to day. And then they put him on IR the next, like, you know, like 24 hours later. So it's like one of those things where we really don't have any clue how bad Alex Collins is. It sounds like he's going to be okay. Well, it looked fine, so he's probably really hurt.
Starting point is 00:08:07 He might just be on the IR. by the time this podcast comes out. So we'll see. He needs that big hip pad that big Ben wears. Exactly. It'll be fine. Patriots running by Damien Harris
Starting point is 00:08:17 left multiple times in the Patriots game with injuries. He entered with ribidgery. He limped off with an ankle injury. I thought it looked bad. Apparently he's fine. He's just beat up. So that just fits with the theme.
Starting point is 00:08:26 So apparently he's all right. Okay. So with all that said, all that, Mishy Goss. D.K., who is your number one pick at running back off of waivers this week? This is a tough one
Starting point is 00:08:37 because honestly, I think there's a lot of good options. or at least a lot of intriguing options. I went with Dernus Johnson from the Browns, who is rostered on 2% of leagues. This is one of those guys, weirdly enough, I picked him up in a couple leagues randomly last week, just like in Dynasty Leaks because he was sitting there,
Starting point is 00:08:54 and I'm like, you know, in Happy Gilmore, and he's like, thank God I called that guy. Like, this is how I feel now based on like what the situation with the Browns. So. No, it was Billy Madison. Sorry, Billy Madison. What did I say? He crosses him off the list.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I said, happy. Gilmar. I meant Billy Madison. Yeah. The people to kill. He's got a list of people to kill. Anyways, thank God I... It's not as funny when you said out loud, I guess. Let's see here. So anyways, obviously with Chubb, I think the situation
Starting point is 00:09:23 could be more serious than the team is letting on. Like, calf injuries, they don't sound that bad, but at least it... Yeah, quietly the worst injury in fantasy. I mean, there's obviously really bad ones, but it's the worst injury to read that doesn't seem like it's bad. I'd rather have shoulder. So many of
Starting point is 00:09:39 things. Calf lasts forever. Yeah. And so like, here's the thing though. Dak Prescott has a calf injury and Craig was like, ah, he's fine, don't worry about it. And then we were like, oh, he's in a walking boot. And Craig's like, hey, he's fine. And I'm like, Craig's not a fucking doctor. And then I wake up this morning and Ian Rappap reports on Enfield Network like, you know, actually a boot's a good thing. I'm like, what?
Starting point is 00:09:56 Ian Rapper, are you Craig now? Yeah, he's got to pick, Craig. Is Dax Calf fine? Or is it the worst injury in fantasy? Dr. Holbeck? It's fine. He's in a boot and he's got to buy. So he'll be fine. He'll be back. He's also a quarterback. It's not as big a deal as, you know, as a running back who has to, like, cut every other play. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Yeah. Regardless, like, there's been a, there's a laundry list of players this year that have had calf injuries that have had to eventually go on the injured reserve. I don't think. Michael Gallup. Yeah, Michael Gallup. He's been out for six weeks. Example there.
Starting point is 00:10:23 I don't know if he's going to go on the IR, but I would be surprised. Oh, Mike Trout also missed, like, the entire baseball season of the calf injury. Rashad Penny, I think has a calf injury. It's coming back to that. I just don't like them. I bet, like, bad vibes around caffeine. Christian is McCaffree. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Wow. There you go. Regardless, even if Chubb is in, I would imagine based on the injury, they would at least try and limit him, at least not try and put too much on his plate. That's why I think Durnous Johnson is probably the most likely to get some action in that Kareem Hunt role. And or as a starter, like if Chub is out, like, you're going to love having Dernis Johnson because this is a good team, good offense. Like they focus their offense around the run. Obviously, they're banged up. They're really banged up. but there's still going to be a run-centric team.
Starting point is 00:11:10 And so Johnson could get the volume you're looking for. I also think Demetrike Felton, this is sort of like a – this is an addendum, I think, to Ernest Johnson. But Demetrike Felton is a guy worth kind of keeping in mind because he's been sort of this running back hybrid receiver guy for them, and he's looked pretty solid when he touches the football. I don't think – at least it doesn't seem like he would be the natural replacement for Chub and Hunt because he's more of a receiver than a running back. however he was running back in college. So, you know, if you don't get Johnson, have Felton sort of as like a backup there.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Demetrike Felton's like the opening act for Dearnish Johnson. Like there's a chance you like the opening act more than the concert itself. Maybe one day you're like, oh, I remember I saw them live, but like it's worth noting. Dearnish Johnson's also my number one waiver at running back for this week.
Starting point is 00:11:54 What about you, Craig? Yeah, he is mine as well. Okay. I don't think they're, I feel like they're just not going to play Chubb on Thursday. I feel like teams, whenever it's dicey, you shouldn't play the guy on Thursday because then he has 10 weeks after that.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Like you should soak up. But yes. Sorry, yeah, you have 10 days after that game. So I feel like you don't want to like rush him in the quick week, play him. It's like, no, wait it all out. That's why I think they're going to do the same thing with Jerry Judy, who Denver or Cleveland is facing Denver this week. So I like Derenice Johnson as well.
Starting point is 00:12:21 And the last important note in Dernish Johnson, even if Nick Chub, I agree with what you said, Craig, but even if Nick Chubb does play, it doesn't mean he's getting all the work. Like he's clearly not healthy. I think you can actually play De Ernest Johnson as a flex, where I guess you would play him at running back because it's Thursday.
Starting point is 00:12:35 But you could play during his Johnson even if Nick Chubb plays because it's not like Nick Chubb's going to be like he's going to rotate out like he was Cremont. And all the Browns are hurt. I mean, Baker literally has one arm hanging like he's in Monty Python
Starting point is 00:12:48 and then O'Dell Beckham has a hurt shoulder. They don't have anybody. Yeah. Okay, so we all like Johnson. Triple. Showdown. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't.
Starting point is 00:12:58 I wasn't trying to steal your thunder there, Craig. You know what, D.K., if you want to do one of them one day, you can't. One day. Deky, you want to do it? No, let's, I'll save that for another day. Craig, you got it. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:13:09 It's time for the DeHernis Johnson. Showdown time. Okay, wait, I, hi Viz. Can I ask the question? I got a good one. Yeah, okay. All right, this is from Peter. Peter.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Peter. What year was tattooing made legal in New York City? Oh, wow. I had no idea. It was illegal at one point? I've got an answer in my head. Okay, wait, let me think. Let me get it all together. God, I swear to God, these questions just make me feel dumber every time.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Well, because you have to imagine that the only reason why it's a trivia question is because the answer is not what you expect. Right. Usually. Yeah. Usually. It'd be weird if it was like exactly when everybody thought it would, then it's not really a fun trivia question. Kind of like a curveball. Right. Okay, I got a number in mind. I do too.
Starting point is 00:13:59 All right. Craig, you go first. 1901 Okay Hyphitz go now he's thinking because that sets up I was gonna change my answer I'm just gonna say like 1880
Starting point is 00:14:10 Oh okay I was thinking 1924 So I guess I'm going I'm going more recent High Fitz is going for the further back What do we got What should be like 2003
Starting point is 00:14:20 Okay so this article What he sent me Peter It's the Smithsonian Magazine.com The title of this article that came out in 2017 says tattooing was illegal in New York City until 1997. What? See,
Starting point is 00:14:38 there's no way. There's no way. Because it says in 1961 it officially became illegal to give somebody a tattoo in New York City. This is just one of the many interesting facets of the city's story, ink history covered in tattooed New York. Wait, it was illegal in 1991? That sounds like a technicality. What about
Starting point is 00:14:54 before that? No, 97. But yeah, it became illegal in 61, came back in 97. it's a long article here see this is what happens when Craig polls the trivia questions look at this but here's the problem
Starting point is 00:15:08 what am I supposed to do I can't read the answer before so this is this is the reality of the situation sometimes you got to click in and read the article great point I
Starting point is 00:15:17 I really want to recount here I think we should pick a different question no just to Peter it's not that big of a deal I get Dernis Johnson big time all right All right.
Starting point is 00:15:30 You know what? Maybe we should have given D.K. The showdown time because Craig just comes in on the trivia once and it's like, geez, what a disaster happens. Perhaps it was never legal or illegal until 1961, then it became illegal. Like, perhaps it was never even written as a law. So it was totally legal at 1880 when I said it, but Dika gets Dernis Johnson anyway and a complete technicality. Okay, so honestly, I'm really excited about this because dead ass, as the kids say,
Starting point is 00:15:52 I think the next best option after Dernis Johnson is Rashad Penny. Yeah. Are you still wearing your San Diego? hat the same one you wore last night? No, this is a Bozeman Montana hat. I think I'm going with Rashad. I mean, so the other guys in this list, I think, are Jared Patterson is the
Starting point is 00:16:08 like running back for Washington. If Antonio Gibson can't play, there's McKissick there, but Patterson might be like the first down guy. There's every running back on the Ravens, the expendables three, and then after that it gets pretty deep. I like Rashad. I stand by the fact that when he's healthy, he's fine.
Starting point is 00:16:25 And he's a useful fantasy player. Useful running back who can catch and run and do everything. I as the very proud Rashad Penny hater I have just an earnest and sincere question for Danny Kelly as someone who watches the Seahawks with way too much of his
Starting point is 00:16:39 identity on the line would you rather have Rashad Penny or Travis Homer if Alex Collins and Chris Carson were out? And before this before you answer this, Rashad Penny is 100% healthy. He is. Travis Homer just actually looked really good
Starting point is 00:16:53 against the Steelers. Well, I would actually have to be honest with you, Hi, Fitz, I would have DJ Dallas ahead of Travis Homer. Travis Homer, generally speaking, has been like the third down guy only for the Ciox so far. Like, he's not been like an early down runner for them, generally speaking. DJ Dallas has been. And honestly, DJ Dallas looked pretty good.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Well, sorry, DJ Dallas is also kind of been playing in that role too. But he took over once Alex Collins went out as sort of like the guy, I think. So my order would be penny, number one, easily. Because, I mean, look, these guys are human beings. They still want that first round pick to count for something, right? And also, he's looked pretty solid when he's been healthy. Like, he's especially, like, come on strong of late when he's been healthy. Like, he has that explosive run ability.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Pete Carroll went on the radio this morning and basically was just reiterating, like, we're at our best when we're running the ball, like blah, blah, blah, run, run. Like, he's so excited to get back to running the ball. That is who Pete Carroll is. That's in his DNA. He's not going to change, blah, blah, blah. That's good for Penny. That's good for Alex Collins, if he's.
Starting point is 00:17:57 healthy. But yes, no, I'd say Rashad Penny was my number two, actually, too, on here. So is he number two because we don't know the deal with Alex Collins? And if so, if, so De Ernest Johnson number one and then Rashad Penny, too. If Alex Collins were ruled
Starting point is 00:18:12 out immediately after this podcast ends, would you rather De Ernest Johnson or Rashad Penny? I probably would still lean Johnson because I would think that his utility would last longer. down the line. If you're asking me who I'd rather start in week seven, I'd probably say penny
Starting point is 00:18:33 because they're not as banged up. I mean, like, the Browns are so banged up right now. You know what I mean? Yeah. And like, we mentioned this on the podcast last night. Like, the one thing that was actually kind of surprising about the Seahawks last night is they were run blocking pretty well, which I didn't know where that came from. I don't know if it's necessarily like going to happen again this week. But when the Seacx committed to running, they're actually pretty successful at it, especially in the second half. I know that Pete Carroll is going to want to get back to that and continue to do that. And honestly, like, with Johnson, it's a small, I would say it's a small lead with Penny over
Starting point is 00:19:06 Johnson in week seven alone. But mainly I'd go with Penny because, you know, like the Brown's offensive line is completely banged up. Their quarterback is banged up. They're just, they have more injuries issues on the offensive line than the CXU right now. Okay. So I get, so, D.K., you get Dernish Johnson. Craig gets Rashad.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Penny. If this would Great British Bakeoff, this would be like where I get the horrible job this week of doing the third option because there's really two good options this week, and then the rest are awful. So like, there are dart throws, like, Demetriq Felton's probably a dart thrown PPR if you're in like a 12 or 14 team league. There's the Ravens
Starting point is 00:19:41 horrible options of like if you want to go with the course of like Devon. Or Levion Bell, or like Levy on Bell, or like, just roll that awful like those old guys. Also could throw up Romandre Stevens that I know David This is probably fine, but on the off chance. However, I'm going to go, I'm going to pivot.
Starting point is 00:20:00 And since you guys have two very strong options for week seven, I'm going to do something a little different. If you don't need someone to plug and play for this week, but you do want a higher upside running back for later this season, I would actually consider Marlon Mack, who's currently on the cults, but is somehow, some way, one of the bigger names involved in the trade deadline,
Starting point is 00:20:24 which would tell you something about this year. trade deadline. But there is a real, so what is this? It's October, do, do, do do it is October 18th. Yep. The trade deadline's in two weeks, two weeks from Tuesday. There's a real chance that Marlon Mack is on a different football team in November that will be giving him like actual starter reps and the Colts don't really need him on Jonathan Taylor. That's a stash guy. You don't really maybe even need to use that move yet. But if you've got the bench space, I actually think Marlon Mac pretty likely gets ended up on another team. Yeah, what if the Ravens trade for Marlon Mack or what would be another team that you'd be
Starting point is 00:21:00 excited about Marlon Mac being on going forward? I mean, there's a few. I mean, we'll see. I mean, look at all the injuries we're already talking about here. Yeah. Yeah, like there's a lot of teams that could use a guy. So, you know, I'm not saying he's like definitely going to be like a top 15 running back, top 20 running back.
Starting point is 00:21:16 But like, I kind of just want to see Marlon Mac on my bench when he gets traded somewhere. And then you can go from there. I'd rather that than fight for him on waivers. That's a deep cut, but I like it. It's forward thinking. That's what I like about you. I want to mention, you know, Craig, you mentioned him already, but I want to talk about him a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Jared Patterson, I think, is actually a really good stash, too. And again, it's kind of like what I have said. It's not necessarily to plug him into your lineup this week. You mean for Washington? For Washington. He's a guy that I've been adding in a couple of leagues just in just with the idea that, like, look, Antonio Gibson, his shin is not going to get better. This is the one thing that we've seen throughout the whole season.
Starting point is 00:21:52 All the guys, all the doctors on Twitter that, you know, know their stuff, like, physically speaking, they all say, this is not an injury that gets better. It's going to be a situation where he needs to rest this for, like, multiple months in order for it to heal. He's got a stress fracture in his shin. Can you imagine trying to play in the NFL with a shin fracture? Yeah, I know I bring this up all the time, but we really don't spend enough time about how NFL injuries are not the same as just normal people injuries. Imagine if you had a stress fracture in your shin, could you go on a walk? Could you drive a car? I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:22:25 I just would imagine, like, this is just me guessing, but like it's sapping some of his explosiveness. It's sapping some of, like, his zeal for playing football. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think the shin injury made him more explosive. I mean, like, let's be honest. That's not what the Twitter doctors said. And to be honest, it's not like he's been bawling out to the level where Washington is like, we can't take this guy off the field, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:22:46 You know what I mean? Like, he hasn't been a standout. he hasn't been standing out enough, I'd say, in his performance for Washington to just be like, look, maybe we should just shut him down, protect him for the long term. He's really been one of the biggest duds of the 2021 fantasy season for our show for, I think, a lot of fantasy, like analyst shows, but it's kind of been the year from hell for Antonio Gibson. It's kind of like, this is the two sides of the coin. Washington is like, we see him in a Christian McCaffrey role.
Starting point is 00:23:14 We're like, sick, dope. And then the charge is like, we see Mike Williams in a Michael, Thomas roll. We're like, fuck that. And then we, you know what I mean? Yeah. Seriously. That's a good example. Oh for two there. Well, Craig, Greg goes one for two. When we saw Jared Patterson in the preseason, he looked really good. He's very, like, elusive. He's like a little bowling ball. He's like a short guy, very, uh, breaks a lot of tackles, all that stuff. I could see them getting him involved, especially, um, if they shut Antonio Gibson down. Like, even if they don't, they might still give in, they might start giving this guy a little bit more action. Um, So I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I just think he's a really good stash right now. Don't plug him into your lineups this week. But have him on your bench, beat that rush to go get him if and when Antonio Gibson suffers another injury or gets shut down basically just to protect him from himself going forward. Plus, it's like Washington's not in the playoff hunt right now.
Starting point is 00:24:04 That's smart. I mean, it's probably really hard to like stash a guy, especially this week when there's so many buys. But if you're somehow able to just like willy-nilly add somebody just for the long haul, then that's great advice. I did this with Alex Collins. as soon as I heard any, when I heard the word neck and Chris Collins, I went and added Alex Collins to a bunch, sorry, who did I say?
Starting point is 00:24:24 You said Chris Collins because you can find your name. Chris Carson. When I heard the term neck go along with Chris Carson, that made me very worried because neck injuries, you know, these are not predictable things. Generally speaking, very bad for football. So I wouldn't add much. I went and added Alex Collins everywhere. That's what I need your analysis for. Shin, shin injuries, not great.
Starting point is 00:24:45 same kind of deal. So anyways, that's what I'm saying with Patterson. I was glad I had Collins on a couple benches. I could plug him into the lineup and obviously got a good game out of them this week.
Starting point is 00:24:54 I think you could potentially see that happen to Patterson too. I wonder how many people right now listen to this podcast be like, you know what, DK's right neck injuries are bad. It's a light bulb moment for you guys. Okay, if you need to plug someone in this week,
Starting point is 00:25:06 Dernish Johnson for the Cleveland Browns is number one. He's Thursday in football, so don't put him in flex, even though spiritually is a flex. Number two, it's Rashad Penny. I can't believe we just said that out loud. for the Seahawks. And then deeper cuts are like the Ravens guys,
Starting point is 00:25:19 Devante Freeman. If you've got to pick one right, it's Latavis or Devante Freeman, I guess. I'm like God. Don't sleep on them activating Tyson Williams and having him strength from 90s. I would not want to live that lifestyle, though. Ramadre Stevenson, depending on the deals, Damon Harris, deeper cut Jared Patterson, and then the deeper, deeper cut,
Starting point is 00:25:35 but higher up, like no upside this week or the next two weeks, but maybe gets traded as Marlon Mac. Receivers. So just to recap, incredible buy week for receivers. I mean, this is like a list of half the best receivers in the NFL. It's Amory Cooper and C.D. Lammer on by, Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielan, Stefan Diggs, Ken Allen, Mike Williams, Deante Johnson, Chase Claypool.
Starting point is 00:26:02 And the Jaguars guys, they're all on by. It's unbelievable. Terrible. So in addition to those dudes, some of the injuries include Tyreek Hill who, like, had a quad injury, left with the quad injury, came back with the quad injury, monitored him. He's probably going to play, but like, that's going to be annoying for a month. Cadarious Tony played on a hurt ankle for the Giants. immediately aggravated the ankle.
Starting point is 00:26:20 I don't know if he's going to just come back on that. He's too quick for human ankles, I think. He needs to have metal ankles because he's too quick for them. Yeah, not great. Well, the last Giants receiver who's fun and worked out. The last Giants receiver who was super fun and had great ankles was O'Dell Beckham, who hurt his shoulder this week. And we don't know the extent of that yet, but AC joint shoulder,
Starting point is 00:26:41 shoulder, third-night football, that just seems awful. And his quarterback also has a shoulder issue with his non-threat. that just seems like terrible situation. And then Ty Wyatt Hilton returned from neck injury. He dominated Houston as he always does, and then tweaked his quad. He's probably questionable. Other culture receiver, Paris Campbell,
Starting point is 00:26:56 had a foot injury. After a touchdown catch, we don't have to deal with that, but who cares about Paris Campbell? And he has a history of foot injuries. He does. Okay. With all that said,
Starting point is 00:27:04 DK, who's your number one receiver waiver ad for this week? I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but it's Tim Patrick from the Broncos who... Death taxes and Tim Patrick cause waivers. I still really don't understand why he's on. so on waivers in so many leagues, but 35% rostered in Yahoo. He keeps doing it every week.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Another 13.2 PPR points this last week. He had three catches, 42 yards, and a touchdown. Five of the last six games, he scored over 12.7 in PPR. It's not like he's going out and giving you 30 point outings. But everything that Hafeus just said, there's so many guys hitting the bench, there's so many guys on buy. This is a guy who can get you a solid 10 ppr points, and I'm going to be wanting to plug him into my flex spot this week. So yeah, Tim Patrick, he's good, and he's in an offense that is really banged up, missing a lot of guys.
Starting point is 00:27:53 He's still going to be like the de facto number two in this offense behind Cortland Sutton. And Jerry Judy doesn't look like he's going to come back this week. After this week, things could change, but Jerry Judy, it still looks like he's out. So Tim Patrick would be my number one this week still, again. Yeah, Vic Fangio said that Jerry Judy has less than a 50% chance of playing this week against Cleveland. Again, it probably makes sense. Just wait to get the 10 extra days. for him to come back in week eight, I think it would be.
Starting point is 00:28:21 So, yeah, I like it a lot. He wasn't my top guy, but I think Tim Patrick is great. Who's your top guy, Craig? It's Rashad Bateman. Yeah. Who immediately stepped in and had more targets than Marquise Brown. Looked really good. Sammy Watkins is hurt.
Starting point is 00:28:35 They're playing Cincinnati next week. And Lamar is throwing the ball more than the Ravens have ever let him, mainly because their running game is in shambles. So I like Rashad, pavement a lot. He ran routes on 67% of passes. That's not a ton. But in your first game coming off six weeks off, like, that's pretty damn good seeing six targets. So I like him
Starting point is 00:28:54 a lot for next week and for the rest of season. So we each have three different guys this week. So I, I, speaking of DK being, beating a dead horse to Tim Patrick, Cardinals receivers once again. So Christian Kirk is still somehow an ESPN roster
Starting point is 00:29:10 on just a quarter of leagues. And I wanted it, I know. And I if you're on Yahoo, he's slightly higher. It feels like a glitch. Well, here's the interesting part. And this is what I want to ask you guys about. A.J. Green is actually on more teams on ESPN than Christian Kirk is. And so we can't, Rondell Moore is like out.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And like the next time Rondo Moe explodes, I'm not going to fall for it. Especially now that they traded for Zach Earth. Rondo Moore's the fourth receiver. The dream is dead. He's going to be a great, he's going to be incredible. I will probably want him on every team I have next year. I'm done with him kind of this season unless there's more injuries to this Cardinals team. Having said that.
Starting point is 00:29:46 I feel Christian Kirk needs to be rostered and is going to be good and that I now feel like that's the guy you want to withstand the ebbs and flows of this Cardinals passing game. AJ Green will also have good weeks, but I think Christian Kirk is the guy to have after DeAndre Hopkins and Cardinals passing. Do you guys agree with that? He might just be the guy to have. I bet you he has more targets than DeAndre Hopkins this season.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Well, I can check that. He does not, but it's closer than you think. Yeah. It's 38 for Hopkins, 32 for Agent Green, 31 for Christian Kirk. However, he does have, they all have incredibly close receiving yards. Hopkins has 367. Kirk is 358. Adrian is 340.
Starting point is 00:30:33 So right there, that explains a lot of this season, right? Hopkins, Christian Kirk and Age Green are all within less than 30 receiving yards on the season and all within five catches, which is kind of like why this whole Cardinals' offense just felt like whackamol. I like this one because, you know, any guy in this offense really could just have like a dud week. It's one of those offenses where it's not like they're, it's not funneling targets to anyone guy specifically anymore.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Like last year it was definitely DeAndre Hopkins was the guy and then everyone else was sort of an afterthought this year. And I think this is like a function of the style of offense, the Cardinals run where, you know, you align the guys up in the right in the same spots every down. You run your routes. And basically, Kyler is deciding what's, based on what's happening with the defense, where he's going with football. Well, the defense is kind of deciding.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Sorry, that's what I meant to say. It's like, depending on what the defense does, that's where Kyler's going with the football, which is sort of like one of the basic things of the air raid. It's like you basically, like, the for-vers thing is like you're forcing the defense to like, you know. Take what the defense gives you? Basically, yeah, like if you'd get single coverage on the outside, you're throwing it to the outside guy or whatever. That's like the really, really basic version of it.
Starting point is 00:31:42 But like... Roger Sherman wrote a great thing for the side about the air. air raid like a few years ago. Yeah. And other than him describing a rate as kind of a religion, which is true. I think it's kind of like,
Starting point is 00:31:49 air raid is like if they took the passing concepts, you know when they're like, well, if the black box can't be broken, why don't they make the whole plane out of the black box? Yeah. And it's like,
Starting point is 00:31:59 that's the air raid. They're like, well, if these are the best plays in football, why don't you should run those three plays over and over all the time? Yeah. So the very,
Starting point is 00:32:07 very basic gist is like, you know, sometimes it just depends on what the defense is doing, and that's going to dictate which guys, get a ton of targets in a specific game. And so why I do like Kirk is he's running, I would say, higher, like more efficient routes.
Starting point is 00:32:24 He's getting, he's catching the routes that he's running more efficiently than maybe some of the guys on the outside would. And they're scheming him open. He's actually much better in the slot than he is on the outside. I think he's a somewhat limited player, to be honest. Like he's not going to be a guy that's going to dominate on the outside. But he fits well in the slot. And he's fast.
Starting point is 00:32:41 He can get over the top. Kyler trusts him. So yeah, I like this one. I was actually very surprised. I hadn't realized he was not rostered more on ESPN. Yeah, so Christian Kirk, I think is number one. And then so if I had lost him, though, the other guy I want to shout out, though, is Donovan People's Jones for the Browns.
Starting point is 00:32:59 I don't know if Adele's going to miss time, but like I kind of also don't care. Donovan People Jones is really good. This is not a plug-in-play thing. This is not like a replace Justin Jefferson on by with Donovan People's Jones. But Donovan People Jones is an incredible athlete. He's 22 years. old. He was really good in college if you saw him. And like he just, he seems very capable of doing number one receiver cosplay. But he had that Hail Mary at the end of the game, which was amazing.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Obviously, I don't chase a Hail Mary, but he did have two different touchdowns. And I just could totally see by like, by like Halloween or Thanksgiving, maybe Thanksgiving. The Browns just kind of be like, look, we're going to move on from Adele at some point anyway. This guy actually seems like he could really be a future player in this team. I'm not like in yet to like play him at all. But I have my very much in Donovan People's Jones. DFI, J, he's an interesting one. So in the Dynasty Streets, he's definitely a guy people like
Starting point is 00:33:51 because I think the assumption here is that at some point, maybe it's as early as next year, the Browns are going to move away from Odell and potentially Jarvis, which could clear a spot for Donovan People's Jones to be like the de facto number one in this offense. Now, obviously, a lot of moving parts there. That may never happen.
Starting point is 00:34:07 And Donovan's People Jones might not ever evolve into that type of player, but he was getting a ton of hype in the pre-year. season, make a ton of plays in training camp. Former five-star guy. He was at one point one of the top recruits in the country. So this isn't just some guy that came out of nowhere. He basically played
Starting point is 00:34:22 in a Michigan offense that didn't really feature him or didn't really know how to utilize them very well. We've seen a couple other guys come out of that Harbaugh, Michigan offense that have been better pros than they were in college. Like Nico Collins for the Texans is already making some waves. He's another guy, really elite
Starting point is 00:34:38 athlete, who just didn't have very good production at Michigan and now has been been really flashing for the Texans. Then Chris Evans, who we didn't mention with the running backs, but he's another deep, deep sleeper guy. He's a good pass catcher. He's not going to take over for Joe Mixen,
Starting point is 00:34:53 but they could start utilizing him in like a Pollard type role where you want to just get your best players involved type of deal and he has more options. I'm looking at him more as like a 2020 guy, but like at the end of the day, there's something with these Michigan guys is kind of my point. They're really elite athletes that just weren't utilized very well in this offense.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Maybe it was a quarterback situation. Maybe it was the offense situation. whatever, but they're probably better than we think. So Donovan People's Jones being a six-round pick, I still kind of think like he has a chance to develop into like a good player, a really good player. Shouts had Jordan Poole on the Warriors who went to Michigan and was not doing well, and now he's like one of the best
Starting point is 00:35:28 late-round picks in the draft from three years ago. What's it with Michigan? Love Craig just shoehuning in Warriors talk, okay. That was kind of relevant. Wait, there's a couple more receivers. Yeah, I was going to say, T.Y. Hilton is, if he plays, is a suitable fill-in. And if T.Y. Y. Hilton and Paris Campbell don't play, this is super boring, but Zach Paskill is like a very normal, capable flex guy.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Glansberg. I don't think we've mentioned, we haven't mentioned Pascall this entire calendar year, but yes. Zach Paskill for like two years in a row, just three years, the eye test is so much better than his stats. The other one just real deep cut. Nico Collins for the Texans. If they ever, if anyone ever covers Brandon Cooks, Nico Collins get the ball for use. Someone's got to get back at East. Also, Ammon Ross St. Brown. He was the other guy on my list. targets the last three weeks for Amon Rae St. Brown. 7, 8, 8 catches the last three weeks, 5, 7, 6. So, again, this is more of like a PBR play, but he's getting enough targets, enough looks,
Starting point is 00:36:25 and this depleted offense that he could be worth plug into a flex. Also, want to throw out one more, see what you guys think. This could be just like a very deep, like 16 team leagues only type of deal. But Kendrick Bourne for the Patriots, like he's been pretty solid. He's looked pretty good. double digit points in PPR in three of the last four games.
Starting point is 00:36:43 He only had one catch, but he turned it into a 75-yard touchdown this last week. Nelson Aguilar, just not making it happen. Is there any chance that, like, Kendrick Bourne sort of, like,
Starting point is 00:36:53 takes over as the number two receiver in this offense. Or maybe he already has. That's where I draw the line. I have zero. I think Kendrick Bourne is a football player is actually really good, and he's, like,
Starting point is 00:37:03 an awesome third down guy on your team that you like we're doing for. I would, like, real-life team, I will stop at the indoor train right there. I think I'd rather have all the other guys
Starting point is 00:37:12 who discussed before Boren, but just wanted to throw them out there. Okay, well, I didn't catch him. Okay, tight end. Throwing him right back. Throwing him right back. Okay, tight end.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Guys on by this week include Dalton Schultz and Dawson. Dalton Schultz and Dawson Knox. That was harder to say than I anticipated. So this week kind of sucks a tight end.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I have one very obvious one and I really hope I win. I have Ricky Seals Jones. Dick. Same. You do two. And I'm just going to summarize it for all three of us.
Starting point is 00:37:45 It's because he just took over the Logan Thomas role. I get it. I said he wouldn't. I'm stupid. You're smart. You're handsome. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Not attractive. Play 99% snaps. Ricky Seals Jones is clearly the best title available this week. It's not even close. Let's just get the showdown time. All right. Yeah, he had another touchdown this week.
Starting point is 00:38:03 All right. Craig, you want to redeem yourself and pick a better question? No, you can pick this time. I don't want to have to deal with it. It is the Dick Jones. Showdown time. This is a very...
Starting point is 00:38:15 I love Dick Jones. It's such a good name. This is a very apt question. How many ligaments are in the human body? This one's from Aaron. How many ligaments are in the human body? All right. Well, there's what, 200 and something bones?
Starting point is 00:38:28 216 bones? A-C-L-M-C-I'm going to count. How many ligaments? Yeah. How many bones are there? Aren't there like 215 around their bones? Yeah, let's go with that. I think that's country's 220 or so.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Or is it? Or is it you start with that and then as you get older, it reduces to like 180, right? Isn't that what it is? You're born with like 215, but no. Yeah, because bones fuse together as you age. Oh, that may be. How many bones do you think?
Starting point is 00:38:52 I was like, do you get rid of your bones? They take your bones out? I hate the bones. I hate the bones. I hate the bones. I think Carson Wentzance. What are you talking about? More or less than when he started.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Less. So there are 206 bones in the adult body. Two and six. That actually kind of changes my aunt. And there are your, and here we go. you are born with about 300 bones. And then they fuse together. I thought you meant like they dissolve or eat them or you lose them.
Starting point is 00:39:19 You eat them? That doesn't make any sense. You make a stew out of them. Yeah, you got a stew going. You got yourself a stew going. Shit, that was funny. You toss a couple carrots in there. You got yourself a stew going.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Let's see. I'm going to say, I'll just go first because I have no fucking clue. I have my answer. Ligaments. I'm going to say 150. I was literally going to say the exact same number. All right. But I'll go a little higher.
Starting point is 00:39:45 I'll go 170. I have no earthly idea. Probably like 12. And so when Craig said 206 bones, I'm going to go, sure, there's a ligament of bone on average. Let's just go with that. 206? I'm literally going 206. I'm feeling good about this.
Starting point is 00:40:01 So I just Googled it and it says 900. Oh, fuck. That is also what I'm seeing. 900. That makes more sense. Like four ligaments of bone, that makes a lot more sense, doesn't it? I mean, it does.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Like, imagine if there weren't a lot of ligaments, your bones would just be like floating around and be all weird. I guess four ligaments of bone actually makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? Yeah. It's like, it's like train tracks. Keep shit in place. All right. All right, this is brutal.
Starting point is 00:40:27 So then, wait, so who won? So Hy win. Dix gets Dick Jones. My, I get last. I get the last, last pick. So Craig, you go next. So I get, oh, I get Ricky Seals. Wow, good luck to you guys.
Starting point is 00:40:37 Yeah, this is kind of a nightmare. Didn't we come up with the perfect name for streaming tight ends and then we forgot it? Desert streams? No, is it not that? Week streams? There was another one. I'm so sorry to the people who email us. Buffering?
Starting point is 00:40:51 And we were like, we love buffering. Yes, buffering. Because it's not streaming because you don't know it's a stream. By the way, that reminds me. And we'll talk about this on the prop show, but a good prop. When we don't, when we have the opposite of group chat, you know, so like everyone agrees that we want to do the same bet. That's a group chat.
Starting point is 00:41:06 If no one buys in. to a bet, like happened to me several times last week, for good reason. It's called Left on Red. That's actually pretty funny. Just guys, guys, you want to hang out? You're distracting from like, you have to pick a tight end. No? Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:22 So I'm going to go with, this is like so boring and lame. Like, I'm going to go with Evan Ingram. Cadarius Tony's out. They're playing Carolina. He's been getting, you know, three, four catches a week. And Daniel Jones will likely play in the Giants' receivers. up, so I'm going to go with Evan Ingram. That was also my second option, the best of absolutely desperate options.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Yeah. So I think there are two somewhat interesting guys going forward here. Now, the Steelers, the Steelers aren't by, so. Yes, I would have said Fryermouth. Frior Muth for the rest of the season is an interesting one, I guess, because it seems like his role is kind of increasing with Juju out. Did you guys hear Chris Collinsworth? Or no, I think Chris Collinsworth was quoting Ben talking about Pat Friermuth, about
Starting point is 00:42:07 how he's not athletic and he's not fast. Did you hear that? No, I didn't see that. No, but that's Ben projecting. He was like running a route and it like, Pat caught some pass and they were like, yeah, you know, Ben was just like, there's just something about this guy. He's not athletic.
Starting point is 00:42:21 He's not that fast, but he just kind of gets open and you know where he's going. And I was like, damn, that's kind of a dig. Okay, K's Pat Frimuth's not athletic. He seems like, he's relatively unathletic. I mean, I would say he's not like, he's not an elite athlete. He's not an elite athlete. Neither is Dalton Schultz, though, so who cares?
Starting point is 00:42:37 Honestly, like at tight end, it's really good to be like a souped up athlete, but also it's like, there's plenty of like productive fantasy guys that aren't like souped up athletes because like Dawson knocks a bad athlete or is he good athlete? He's like average. Wait, did we just crack the code that the athletic tight ends are guys that the NFL thinks they can turn into tight ends? But the tight ends were not athletic only made it to the NFL because they're good at football. No. Did we just figure this out? Do you actually want unathletic tight ends? No.
Starting point is 00:43:06 what I'm saying is it's like selection bias. Like the tight ends who make it to the NFL who are not athletic have to be good or they wouldn't be in the NFL. The athletic ones get a pass because they're not good of football but they think they can sculpt them like a like a sculpture. But they can't most of the time.
Starting point is 00:43:25 I don't think what you're describing as a skeleton key high fits. However, what I will say is is sometimes it just depends on the quarterback and or the offense. Like for instance, Zachertz. I'll just throw that name out there. I don't know if he's necessarily an elite
Starting point is 00:43:40 athlete. He's never once broken a tackle in his entire career. So, like, to me, he doesn't look like the most dynamic guy. He literally broke a tackle to win the Super Bowl, but can't okay. Well, that, whatever. Besides that one. That was called a joke, Hyvitz. I know, but the biggest play of his career was a broken, okay, fine, whatever. There's an entire
Starting point is 00:43:56 like subset of Eagles Twitter. He's like the same speed score as Pat Friarmouth. He's like the 58th percentile. Zackertz? Zachertz? Perfect example, then. And Zach Hertz was a high, high volume passing target in that offense just because it was a function of the offense. And for whatever reason, he just stepped into the right situation where he was getting a shitload of targets. He was like the security blanket or whatever for the quarterback going back through the years.
Starting point is 00:44:22 And there's a chance in my mind that Fryer Muth is that guy in this offense. Like a lot of people are comparing him to Heath, Heath Miller. Maybe the same kind of style. It's not like a, you're not a seam stretching guy necessarily or like a matchup mismatch guy. You're just kind of, you just kind of know how to work zones and you just kind of show up in there. I'm done with athletic tight ends because it's now, I just, I feel like I just saw, like, I just saw into the matrix.
Starting point is 00:44:45 They're like, fetch. Stop trying to make them work. The O.J. Howard's, the E. Ingrams. Oh, Ali Cox. They're like, oh, we play basketball, like Jimmy Graham. Everyone's looking for Jimmy Graham and Travis Kelsey. And it's kind of, what do they say, like, one great comedian spawns 10,000 bad ones? Like, two great tight ends spawn like 10 million awful tight ends. Because everyone's just like, oh, well, no, like the good tight ends are the guys who aren't that of, oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:45:06 God, we figured it out. Turns out we just want Dalton Schultz. I really don't think that's the case, though, because if you look at the, frick it, okay, look at number one, two, and three in the NFL at tight end right now. All three are very good athletes. Travis Kelsey, Mark Andrews, Dawson, Knox, Darren, elite athlete. He's number five. No fan.
Starting point is 00:45:22 Number six, elite athlete. I get that. But Fent was a first round pick. Like, no one needs help to be like the tight end drafted in the first round is a good athlete. What I'm saying is when you look for tight ends that are not obviously athletic and skilled, we trend toward the athletic guys thinking they can pick up skills when really the skilled guys
Starting point is 00:45:41 are probably going to play. All I'm saying is look at the top 12 tight ends right now. I will. I'm going to pull it up right now. I get what I have it's saying, though. One of them is not an elite athlete, I would say, maybe two.
Starting point is 00:45:54 I get what he's saying, though, where like, outside of the obvious ones that have both the athleticism and the skill, you should lean towards skill than raw athleticism. I guess. Yeah, I'm not saying, I get what you're saying, D.K., but, like,
Starting point is 00:46:08 Travis Kelsey is out, so he's the number one tight end, and he's athletic and skillful, but like he picked later in his career. Mark Andrews, okay, I'll give you that one. But he, what does he draft?
Starting point is 00:46:20 Is he his second round pick? Third thing? All right, Darren Waller, but like, Darren Waller is like a different case because he went through a whole rebirth in life. Schultz is not athletic.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Schultz is like the one exception in this entire list. Okay. Hawkinson, Pitts, Noah fan. I see what you're saying. Actually, now I'm looking at this, you know what's weird is like, a lot of these guys are like actually really highly drafted
Starting point is 00:46:43 and they all did just take some time. Yeah. I think so like the bottom line, it's like, I see what you're saying. Like sometimes you have to sort of zig when the rest of the drafters are zagging or whatever. But like by far the best way of predicting who's going to be a breakout at the tight end position as if they have elite athleticism.
Starting point is 00:47:02 So I'm just like not willing to go along with this narrative. Yeah. She's D.K. Like, Dostinox is a great example. It's taken him three years to get here or whatever. But the reason he was drafted is because he was an elite athlete. He didn't have a touchdown catch in college. He was like barely used in the offense.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Darren Waller. He changed, he switched positions from receiver and turned into a tight end. But he has elite elite athleticism, no fan, elite athlete. Mike Asicki, elite athlete. Kyle Pitts, elite athlete. T.J. Hawkinson, very good athlete. I mean, this is. not like by chance.
Starting point is 00:47:38 So, D.K., who are you taking a tight end? I feel like we've got really gone away from the celebratory mode of we found other athletic tight ends after looking at him for two years. By the way, the one guy I want to mention is another elite athlete former first round pick. O.J. Howard for the Buccaneers. He's kind of like, this could be a total blip on the radar. You're this, wait, you're picking O.J. Howard? This is your guy? You guys already, how many good options are there left here?
Starting point is 00:48:03 There's none. I was literally, I think the other options, CJ Usoma. I actually like Coach Howard as a pick. I think Gronk is back, though. Is he? If he comes back. Oh, I was assuming Gronk is not back. I was assuming Gronk is not going to be back.
Starting point is 00:48:16 They said, Bruce Ariens said he almost played in the Thursday night game. So I imagine with 10 more days he'll be playing. Okay. So this is contingent. How about that? If Grunk is continuing to miss time, which I hadn't seen that he was going to be back, I thought like this could be something that goes on for a little bit longer. Like he had like multiple rib brakes.
Starting point is 00:48:34 like this is a situation that could kind of stretch out. I could be wrong. However, OJ. Howard, seven targets, six catches, 49 yards, and a touchdowns last game. He was like a big, big-ish part of the passing game, but way bigger than expected. So he's more of a desperation movie, but you guys already picked all the good ones.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Yeah, well, that's how the whole thing works. You should have figured out how many ligaments from the human body. Okay, so Dick Seale Jones, Evan Ingram, maybe OJ Howard, and if OJ. Howard doesn't play, good luck with C.G.U. Zoma. Godspeed. In long term, Pat, Friar.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Friarmoot. He's not athletic and therefore very good at football. Quarterback, if you need to stream quarterbacks this week, so Dack, Josh Allen, and Justin Herbert are all on by. Dak, again, has the calf strain. He's probably going to be fine. But Dack, Josh Allen, Herbert are on by. So you probably might need to stream quarterback this week.
Starting point is 00:49:25 If so, my recommendation is Justin Fields against the bucks. We're back, baby. We're already here. But again, so many quarterbacks are off. The rushing, he had his best game in the season last week. I'm like you know you want Justin Fields against the bucks I don't know about that
Starting point is 00:49:42 the other option is basically Matt Ryan against the dolphins I mean No what about There's some other ones what about I mean you could do Mac Jones versus the Jets You could do Tua versus Atlanta Tua versus Atlanta I'd rather have Justin Fiel
Starting point is 00:49:55 I want nothing to do with Tua literally nothing I will never I don't want to talk to him again I never want to say like I'm done with Tua forever Yeah but at least he'll throw the ball Like you know like 30 attempts out of Justin Fields feels impossible two or three the ball like 50 times this week.
Starting point is 00:50:11 What about James? What about James versus Seattle? Yeah, I guess. You can talk me into James versus Seattle, especially because Seattle had the Saints had the bye week to prepare for Seattle. You could do James for Seattle. I could move him up.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I still would go Fields like number, I still would go Fields because I, maybe I'm a sucker. Still feel like the upside's there. Matt Ryan against the Dolphins. And then I think James maybe, all right, maybe James third. You guys think James higher? You guys think I'm way too high in fields, don't I?
Starting point is 00:50:36 Well, I, yeah. Against the bucks. I think I would do Mac Jones against the Jets before I did Justin Fields. Fields is still not running as a problem. Like the whole equation and the whole reason we were really excited about Justin Fields before the season started
Starting point is 00:50:49 is because he has the opportunity to be like Jaylen Hertz, who by the way, Jaylen Hertz has been like one of, I think our biggest hits from the offseason is like he's had, I think he's been a QB1 every week this year. So far across. He's like been within like 22 and 28 points every week.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Yeah. So that was what we were, I think, speaking for the group, like picturing with Justin Fields is he could still suck as a passer. And frankly, Jalen Hertz has not been very good as a passer this year. But since he's running, you have this amazing floor in fantasy. We all thought this is what was going to be happening with Justin Fields. That's why we like Trey Lance. These guys are very fast, you know, dynamic runners.
Starting point is 00:51:26 Whatever reason, Justin Fields is just choosing not to run. Like, it's been like three rushes a game or something like that. We're probably right. In that case, you're probably right. I can, then maybe Matt Ryan over the dolphins, but I do think Matt Ryan's a superior one to Mac John. Would you really take Matt Jones over Matt Ryan, Craig? No, I'd probably take Matt Ryan over Mac Jones.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Actually, I definitely would. The only thing, it's like, yeah, Fields rushed for 43 yards last week, and he still had 14 points. Like, it's just, it's brutal. And they're at Tampa. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think there could be a breakout game coming,
Starting point is 00:52:02 but guessing which one it is, I am not really willing to see. do that right now. All right. And then, so there's, those your quarterback's dreamer options. Defense is this week. Woof. New Orleans against Seattle. I think New Orleans against Seattle and Gino Smith is probably the best you're going to get. If someone dropped the Patriots because
Starting point is 00:52:17 they were playing, um, I've already forgot. Cowboys. Yeah, the Cowboys. Then, because they're going against the Jets and they crush the jets. But more likely than not, the Patriots don't available. In which case, yeah, the Saints are the best option. Man, it gets ugly, fast. Like, again, the Falcons. Brutal matchups this week.
Starting point is 00:52:34 terrible defense going as the dolphins if you want to bet against Tua. Like there's like, I mean, there's a world where like maybe Trey Lance and Jimmy Garapolo missed this 49ers game against the Bears, but like, are you really going to pick up the Bears defense, go against Kyle Shannon coming off a bye week? Like these are, it is a tough week for streaming defenses. Can we just skip this week and like not play fantasy this week and just pick up in week eight? Buy week for fantasy? It's okay. Back when I did my draft three months ago, I actually align my defensive buys.
Starting point is 00:53:03 so I'm just, it's where I'm all good. Yeah. Oh, good. It's really happy for you. Yeah. So that worked out. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:53:12 There are your showdown times, even though, wow, we only got to two this week. Unfortunately. All right. Want to go, want to do an email? Get out here. Okay. Email from Michael that I thought you guys, Craig and Danny, would appreciate. So he says, I listened to today's episode and he's speaking of an episode from maybe like two weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:53:32 And you guys touched. on Amanda Bynne shows dancing dancing lobsters. You touched on a very important tradition in my league with my friends from high school. They are all from the 27 to 29 years old, firmly SpongeBob millennials, not saved by the bell millennials, just to be clear.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Three or four years ago, two of the guys got into a pretty intense trade negotiation in the group chat. Once it finished, one of them texted, court dismissed, bring in the dancing lobsters, and sent a gif of said dancing lobsters too. Ever since, it has become a
Starting point is 00:54:03 tradition to send a gif of the dancing lobsters in the group chat to announce the trade and trades are generally referred to as lobsters i bet this guy was just freaking out and happy when you guys mentioned the dancing lobsters so i like that a lot i like trades being referred to as lobsters that's all for my favorite part most of the part in ted where he's like you owe me lobster money all right guys we get another lobster jerry judy for michael gallop uh also just going to add in quickly because we love fun facts this podcast and thank you you guys for all sending in fun facts. Fun fact from Errol, the creator of Match.com's wife left him for someone she met on Match.com.
Starting point is 00:54:42 I did not check for the veracity of that statement, but it was funny, so I thought it would be worth noting. Bit by the hand that feeds you. I was going to say that's like a whole human. There's a whole like, there's a whole like Shakespearean tragedy in there that's kind of hilarious. Yeah. This is another good one. Fun fact. Fun fact from Mark.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Do you ever wonder where the Mastodon got its name? You know the prehistoric elephants? Well, now you are wondering. Scientists first found just the tooth of the mastodon and noticed sharp breast-like projections on its molars. They first thought this could mean there were roving hordes of carnivorous elephants walking around the prehistoric North America. Ultimately, they concluded that the bumpy molars were ideal for chewing up rough ancient foliage.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Anyway, mast comes from breast like mastectomy, and Don comes from tooth like orthodontist. So really what Mark is saying is woolly mammoths are called breast teeth. Boob tooth. Boob tooth.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Boob tooth. The boob tooth. Anyway, I thought that was pretty interesting. I'm going to name my, I'm going to get a dog and name him boobtooth. What if the band mastodon just went with boob tooth instead? Dick, is that your band?
Starting point is 00:55:58 Boob tooth? I'm going with boobtooth. Thank you, Boobtoe. The Mastodon cover band, yeah. That's... Oh, my God. Do you have anything to top that email? I like when D.K.
Starting point is 00:56:12 I like when D.K. takes over the emails. Yeah, it's a different... I feel like I'm just in the passenger seat. I'm like a little nervous because I've been driving D.K. And then I'm like, oh, watch the road. And like, hey, you're not as close as you think to the line.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Yeah. Like, it took three minutes, and then we started talking about boobtooth. Yeah, I was like, wow. It's not where I thought that was going to go. Well, you're welcome. Thank you, D.K. And thank you, Hi, Fits.
Starting point is 00:56:33 And thank you, Lord. Thank you. Sean Lee's Pingpong orchestra. D.K., just... Just say the Rolling Stones. You know what I mean? The fuck is happening. No, you guys are getting mad at me
Starting point is 00:56:47 for being too basic, so now I'm going deep into the archives. I don't think we did get mad at you for being basic. Did we shame him for that? I feel like you, maybe not mad is the right word. You guys were disappointed
Starting point is 00:56:57 when I brought up the Beatles because it's the most basic band in the world, even though, by the way, we blew Hyphids' mind for telling him that Beatles is a pun. Which is... Sean Lee's Ping-Pong orchestra? Yeah. Why is it called that?
Starting point is 00:57:14 I'm not sure, but you should listen to the Kiss the Sky song. It's good. And you probably recognize it from Eastbound and Down. I think it was on Eastbound and Down soundtrack. I was at a bar in Florida. And in the bathroom, they had like a giant TV.
Starting point is 00:57:31 And they were just playing Kenny Powers. You're in the bathroom. And I'm like, you're fucking out. And they had a mirror against the toy so you could watch the TV through the mirror. And Kenny Powers just on this jet ski.
Starting point is 00:57:45 And I'm like, this is like the best bathroom I've ever been in my life. It should be a mandate for all bathrooms. You can only have eastbound and down playing. All right. There's my phone. Oh, sorry. I guess Craig, you get to say goodbye this time.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Because you did the, you did everything. Thank you, Lauren. We'll see every. Oh, I just screwed that out. We'll see everybody. on Tuesday for Power Hour. Goodbye. Actually, just kidding.
Starting point is 00:58:05 It's on Wednesday. Goodbye.

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