The Ringer NFL Show - Must-Add Players for Week 8

Episode Date: October 25, 2021

We run through the injuries from Week 7 and offer up our must-add players for Week 8 with our favorite format, Showdown Time.  Must-Adds RBs (2:44) WRs (19:46) TEs (39:14) DEF Streamers (46:56) QB Streamers (51:43) Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's basketball season and we've got you covered. The Ringer NBA show breaks down the latest and greatest around the league five days a week. Check out the Ringer NBA show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. The Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Huyifitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck, who has already been fired as Sean McVeigh's getback guy. He barely lasted three days on the job. Craig, he gave him safe to yourself.

Embarrassing. After the Rams let up that first onside kick, he fired me. Unbelievable. Show McFere was all over the field. He was on the green. And I'm like, you know what, no wonder they got rid of Craig. Craig, how was the game? Amazing.

SoFi Stadium is a true spaceship. Everybody should check it out. It's incredible. It feels like you're on a different planet, honestly. That was a great time. Honestly, it was really fun that the lion started out as hot and frisky as they did, made the game a lot more interesting. And the Rands ended up winning, so all in all a good day.

Yeah, yeah. All right, we're moving on a week eight. No biopocalypse. We survived the bypocalypse. It's over. Everyone give yourself a pat on the back, shake your own hand. We did it. Congrats.

so and it's kind of like whatever you're doing in the doldrums of like May 2020 we'll just never talk about it again just bury it somewhere deep whatever you had whoever you had to play like you had Khalif Raymond and your flex we're never going to talk about it again you got through this week it's just the Ravens and the Raiders

was the fantasy pandemic yeah how did we not come up with that I was gonna say this is the fantasy equivalent of walking uphill in the snow to school but it's the fantasy pandemic is more we all had to do the pandemic thing now that would have been a title man that would have got

clicked Fantasy pandemic week. Yeah, well, I'm glad we belatedly came up with the perfect title. Anyways, Ravens and Raiders are on by this week,

so it's not that bad bye week-wise. There are some real pandemic things going on. I mean, Devante Adams tested positive for COVID. He might miss theirs in football. Matt and Aggie, Bear said coach has COVID, so we don't know if he'll coach.

And then also the Packers' defensive coordinator Joe Barry's COVID. So, like, monitor those things, and we'll see. We'll get to the Devante Adams situation later. But for now, we're going to do, showdown time

we're going to position by position if you don't already know we're going position by position and we're all going to pick our number one pickup at that spot for this week and if we tie if we pick the same person

we'll fight over the player with trivia questions it's not that complicated but if you have showdown time questions email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com just put trivia or showdown time in the question and subject line

and please put the answer like below the body text so I don't see everything okay all that said running back, DK. Who is your number one running back waiver pick for this week? It's kind of tough, but I went with Kenneth

Gainwell from the Eagles who has, he's the rostered 21% of Yahoo Leagues this year. With Miles Sanders hurting his ankle, and we don't know exactly, it is Monday afternoon, we don't exactly know what's going on with it. It looks like it's going to be just a low ankle spray that could keep him out.

It's sort of like the Sequin Barkley thing where it looked bad, and it wasn't that bad. High fits. coming back to that theory that you have where if it looks bad, it's not that bad. And if it looks like they're going to be fine, they're like out for the year. That theory, that theory has rang extremely true the last few weeks. Yeah, it's been kind of crazy. I'm bad, a really high average on that one. He got carted off. Miles Sanders got carted off. He was crying. Uh,

and everyone was, I guess, speculating that he had broken his ankle, but it doesn't sound like it was broken. It's just a bad sprain. So regardless, he's only going to be out a few weeks, I would guess right now, unless we find something else out later. In the meantime, it's going to come down to Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott. I went with Gainwell primarily because the Eagles aren't good, and they're going to be trailing more often than not. And Gainwell is the passing down back. He did not end up picking up a lot of carries when Miles Sanders went out. He was still mostly just used as the past catching back as like a sort of a mismatch-created type guy,

Tony Pollard-esque, I guess, in the way that they use him. in certain ways. But I lean gain well just because I think he's still going to get the passing down usage, especially in PPR leagues. This is more applicable.

And he has a little bit more track record this season of being a valuable fantasy guy. So came down to Scott and Kenneth Gainwell for me, but I won't gain well. Real quick, am I having a stroke or

did you say that they were playing the Eagles? The Eagles are playing the lions. What? They're playing the lions. Did I hear that wrong? No, I said that the Eagles are bad. Oh, okay. So they are playing the Lions this week,

which could mean that they do have a positive game script for the first time like this entire season. Well, that's what I was wondering about because you said that they'd be trailing. So I guess my question is, for this week, are you more into Gainwell? If Gainwell is the past catching back,

I'm wondering how you feel about the breakdown if Scott theoretically gets more of the rushing, Gainwell gets the past catching. It's weird. I think it's going to, so here's the deal. I think that Scott is going to pick up, Boston Scott will pick up more of the,

early down work, basically what Miles Sanders was doing. However, what we've seen this year is that that portion of the offense is not very valuable. Now, again, look, they probably will run a little bit more if they're winning, if they're leading, and they could be leading the Lions this week. But I'm talking about this as like a multi-week thing. I think that it's looking like Sanders could miss multiple weeks. I think it would be pretty miraculous if he came back, you know, in quicker than like two or three games. So I'd say like three games minimum is sort of how I'm approaching this.

For Miles Sanders, yeah. That's, all right, so that right there is actually a really important point. I actually had the opposite interpretation of that it would be a week, maybe two, but I don't think it's like a three-week injury. But because it's a lower ankle spray, not like the high ankle sprains are pretty bad, but not that, look at, I don't want to play doctor here. He's probably going to miss this week, but it's not a month. We can agree there?

Yeah, probably. I guess. Sure, somewhere in between two to three weeks. So that's why I was shooting it that way. And again, like I said, the Miles Sanders, role hasn't really been all that valuable, especially in PPR. And so I just kind of went with like the passing down guy in this case. But I can understand if people would rather pick up Boston Scott. But I'm going with Gainwell. It was a toss-up between those two. I really do think

those are the two most kind of appealing ad opportunities is Boston Scott and Kenneth Gainwell. I went with Gainwell as well. Because you know what? Even if they're playing Detroit, Detroit, as we've seen now time and time again is kind of risky. The Eagles have a knack for getting down really early in games and climbing back. And for the long haul, I mean, they've been. the Chargers the week after that. Like Boston Scott got beat out by Gainwell in the offseason. So I feel like the Eagles still probably like Gainwell more than Boston. I also put Gainwell for two reasons.

One, we have to acknowledge, his name's Gainwell. Right. Nominative determination. Don't overthink it. Nomitive determinism. Two, Gainwell has the goal line work. Even when Mal Sanders was healthy, it was kind of annoying that Gainwell was in the game a lot. In the last, in the 10 or 20 yards, the red zone or the goal to go situations, gainwell was getting the ball.

maybe Boston Scott takes over more of that work, but realistically, Boston Scott didn't even get a touch in the whole season until this week when Miles Senors got hurt. I don't think Gainwell is going to get less work in the red zone of the goal line. Like, I think Gainwell, so I agree, but the red zone put it over for me.

It feels a little, it feels a little Jamal Williams, DeAndre Swifty, where like, Jamal Williams is playing and he gets like 10 useless carries, but DeAndre Swift is the X factor in the back. Exactly. So we all agree there. We'll do a showdown time for Kenneth Gainwell. first I guess I'm wondering

whoever loses what do we want to go through all the other running backs we'll go through those once we're once we figure out the top one yeah because we need to know who's going to talk about them sure okay so game well so we got to do some Kenneth gamewell uh shout on time Craig please it's time I've been gone for a day high fitzman after you forgot that it's time for the Kenneth

gainwell showdown time DK puts his arms up I wish people could see them we got an absolutely incredible question that is like very geared toward Craig. Oh. Okay. Okay. It's from Brandon. Brandon.

Brandon. If you've ever watched a movie through the credits, at the very end, you'll see the MPA, the movie picture association logo along with a number. That number is the certificate that says the MPA has reviewed the movie and given it an appropriate rating. This week's new release, Dune, has their certificate number of 5303. So that means Dune was the 53,000 and third movie that the MPA is rated. 53,003. The first film to get a certificate was released in 1934. The question is if the first film to get one was 1934 and this week is 53,0003,

what MPA certificate number belongs to the Godfather Part 2? Jesus. Oh, my God. I think this question strikes remarkably well the line between really hard and also, if you think about it, you should be able to get close. Right. So, first off, are we allowed to talk about what year the Godfather part? You said part three?

Two. Part two. Part two. I think I know the year that came out. What year was it? I think I know the year as well. Can we give ourselves the year? Well.

Is that part of the year? I don't know. I think that's part of the trivia. This is part of how you deduce the answer. So we probably shouldn't discuss it before. I know, because I have other thoughts, too, about how. to come to this answer, but I want to do the back of the napkin. So back of the napkin math.

Well, wait, are you going to do that out loud? Or do you want to keep that to yourself? I feel like it's better for the guessing, keeping myself, the probably worst content. Talk through it. I was going to say there's also probably more movies come out nowadays than they used to. That, I think, is the key question. Because the easy thing is to take, what is that? It's like 85 years divided by 53,000.

But realistically, you kind of have to adjust it. It's top heavy. Like a log. Yeah. There's a lot of direct Because like from 1934 to 1955 5 There was not probably half as movies

As there were in the last 20 years That's the question Feels like we're allowing too much thinking now I feel like we need to like do a countdown And just say the number Okay let's show you all say at the same time No because I'll have a number in mind You guys do the same thing

Craig you go first I'm gonna say 14,527 There we go I had number 12,000 in my head that's wild i had 13 000 wow so we're all right there so i mean i got screwed you know i'm being honest yeah let's like high fits is right on uh this is gonna be bad for him honestly pretty it's pretty impressive that i always had within like a thousand so it's been like 90 years or whatever i was just thinking yeah like i was just thinking there's probably oh my god i hate us the answer is 24000

so we actually should have got we undershot it and just split it down the middle and that basically would have been right well i got the wind then yeah that's what Greg gets for being the rewatching. So I got the loss. Completely dumb luck. Well. All right. So High Fitz,

you get second. You get to go next with who you want to take. Craig gets gain well. If I'm playing someone for this week, I guess it's Boston Scott. God, isn't that terrible? I guess it's still Boston Scott. Yeah.

And it's like the least valuable running team. It's a bad week. The running backs. But here, I talk through it a little bit. Here's the thing, though. If you look at the other options, I mean,

there's Peyton Barber because Josh Jacobs was certain. But the Raiders are on a buy. So, like, first of all, Josh Jacobs might be fine by the time he comes back. We don't really know what the deal is with his chest injury. So Josh Jacobs being hurt doesn't really make Peyton Barber valuable. Like, he might just be fine. I guess you could speculatively pick up Peyton Barber

for maybe one game later. There's Brandon Bolden, who I guess is James White now. Pass. But, like, just, like, you're kind of just hoping Brandon Bolden has James White games. That's also really dicey. There's Devante Freeman, who, I guess, has their...

job over Latavis Murray because Murray the Ravens are on by. But the Ravens are on by. That's thing. The Ravens are on by. By the time the Ravens play again, Latavis Murray also might be fine. And then you're just in this like, whackamo, Levion, Belle, Devante Freeman, Latavis Murray world again where we don't want to live. So like, I have like some deeper

stashes I want to talk through. But if you actually did play someone, I feel this week, I kind of feel like Boston Scott is still the second-est pickup. Dika, am I wrong? Yeah, I had him second on my list. I had Brandon Bolden third, even though Craig was very rude and said, pass just because he is, I think establishing himself as sort of like the James White in this offense. It's going to be hit or miss. You can't really trust Patriots rotation ever. But,

you know, if you're desperate for a guy, he could be in there. I also had a couple guys on my list, Rashad Penny. We are recording, we were recording early afternoon on Monday. So we were unaware of what's happening in Monday night football with the Seahawks and the run game and Penny himself, all that. So this is, again, sort of more like a speculative, speculative ad going forward that maybe penny will carve out a role as the one B to Chris Carson and or Alex Collins. That's just a mess in that backfield. The other one that I wanted to throw out here, which I kind of like, is David Johnson from the Texans.

God forbid we bring up David Johnson again. But if he gets traded before the trade deadline, which is, by the way, November 2nd, coming up, if the Texans decide to offload some of their veteran players, he could be the type of guy that a team could look for because he's still good in the passing game. he gives them that element, you know, he's got a little bit of juice left, I'd say. I mean, shit, I don't know why the Bravens haven't been calling, to be honest.

But they don't have enough old running backs? They just need to, they need to have four. Expendable three is not how old David Johnson is. Three is not the key number. Popquoise, how old is David Johnson? 29 is my guess. 28? That's exactly right.

29, yeah, sorry. Well, I love David Johnson. But yeah, so he's a guy that would just be like, pick him up if you have an extra roster spot and see if he gets traded to a good team. Well, you're stepping on my corner of the speculative guy who might get traded because the other guy was going to say like a real speculative stash is Marlon Mack, who again is still in the trade block, still really might get traded.

I feel like, am I biased? I feel like Marlon Mack has a better chance of actually getting a larger workload. Would you rather have Marlon Mack who Dave Johnson's stash? I wouldn't say that because Marlon Mack is coming off an Achilles injury. I don't know who is going to trade for a guy like Marlon Mac who's coming off an Achilles injury. That's what I don't understand. I love that they're trying to give him like eight carries a game to make him look good.

So people are like, ooh. But that's the thing. That's why it's speculative. It's not like add him over Kenneth Gainwell, but it's more like if you have that extra roster spot, on the off chance he gets sent somewhere. Like if you went to Kansas City, not that he would. But you know what I mean?

Just on the off chance, you wanted that to happen when he's on your bench. I think the end of the day, like the bottom line with all this is this is where we are. There's no good rule. There's no really good pickups this week at the running back position, I don't think. Deeper cut. Salva, Salvana Ahmed. Salvin Ahmed. Ahmed.

The Dolphins second running back who, so there's Miles Gaskin, Malcolm Brown, and Salvin Ahmed. Malcolm Brown got hurt. Malcolm Brown is a quad injury. Might be out like a few weeks. It's not exactly clear what the timeline is, but that leaves the dolphins with really just two backs, the ever infuriating Miles Gaskin, who really might be less infuriating now without Malcolm Brown.

And then Ahmed, who, if you really watch, he's got a lot of, lot of juice. Like, he just looks good. If anything happens to Gaskin, like, I actually think I'm like, be really good for this team. Again, that's like a stash. It's really a question of how much of a workload he can carve out. It's not like in a regular 10-team league. I'm like, oh, yeah, at him. But if you're in, like, the deeper, the people who are in deeper leagues, like a 14-team league or something, I would look at

the Dolphins situation. And then just randomly, Samashi P. Ryan. Yeah. If you're really like- Is he still out there? Oh, wow. Desperate. He had like 11 carries. What? Didn't he have like 11 carries this week? Yeah, he had a lot of carries. And the Bengals are playing the Jets this week. I believe the line's like 9 and a half or 10.

It's not like the Bengals couldn't get garbage time against the Jets. And they take some more workload off mixing. Like that's a possible dart throw. We're in a weird world, man, with the Bengals being like good. How unnatural does this feel? We're talking about how the backup running back on the Bengals is a good ad. Well, also like Craig, like I feel like it's forgotten now that. But when we were growing up, the Bengals were like the worst team in the NFL for like a long time.

Yeah. Like pre the Lions being the Lions, the Bengals were the Lions. 100%. And they've never really, like, shaken that completely? No, because they had, they had like the Carson Palmer stuff for a little bit,

but then he got hurt, and then he left. And then, I mean, it's, that's it. That's all they've had. They're also just... Well, they made the playoffs a few years ago. They were pretty solid.

They never won a game. I know, but they were pretty solid, like... They were like the Matt Stafford Lions, but it was Dalton. And they would just be seven to nine every year and lose. Marvin Lewis's coaching tenure lasted longer than the Iraq war.

Why is that a comp? Because he was hired. It's like the same month. He was hired. Hefitts always pulls out those weird ones. Three presidents ago. It's like sports science. That's what Hyvitz says,

where they just have the most ridiculous comparison. It's like, LeBron James jumped 42 inches last night. That's three and a half fire hydrants. And you're like, what the, that doesn't, that's incredibly hard to. I just want to point out the Bengals won, the Bengals won 10 games in 2020.

They won 10 plus games, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and including first place in the division twice. It's not like they were like the shittiest team ever. Yeah, I guess the Browns were in that division, so they were probably the team that was... I just want to be like on the right, I just want to be like

historically a little bit accurate. I'm sorry. Generally speaking, they were bad, though. I have a, I'm sure maybe some Bengals fans listen since they're mad at me right now. I also feel like they never want to play it. They haven't won a playoff game in 20 years. Well, they lost in the, they lost in the wildcard round. five straight years.

So yes, that's correct. And seven out of eight. How did I get put under the side where saying the Bengals haven't been good recently as like a hot tank? Well, no, I think you were kind of saying like Craig when we were growing up,

the Bengals were the worst team in the league and the DKs is like they're not. They weren't. We're way off topic here. Getting off track. It feels like we're wasting a lot of time. Yeah, let's go to wide receiver here. The point is that, in truth,

I feel like if there's only two people, two teams on by this week, I don't really think anyone's desperate enough to play Sima JP Ryan. But if you are, you could get away with it. To be honest, I think the third pick after Gainwell and Scott, I think it's Salvin Ahmed. I think he's the best. He has juice, and that is an open backfield that's a team playing for next year already. And like, you know, what I, you know, I think.

Trailing script. Yeah, exactly. D.K., so who are you actually officially picking? Good one. Good question. You got me here. I'm going with Brandon Bolden. Wow.

But I don't feel great about it. I don't feel great about it. Okay. All right. Any other news? Other news of running back worlds, Nick Chubb and Sequin might return this week. Nick Chubb,

I believe is back of practice, limited capacity. Maybe we'll see. It's looking like Chubb is going to be back. So unfortunately, the Dernus Johnson era is over. Is it though? I mean,

he might spell him a little bit. Yeah, but not as a 29 carry guy or whatever it is. Yeah, he could fill into the Kareem Hunt kind of roll, get maybe 10 touches. It depends on the past. I think he'll,

Dearnish Johnson will probably be flex-worthy, but it won't be like, it'll never be like it was. Also, with only one stud running back now healthy, Nick Chab, I doubt they're just going to, like, give him 28 touches and be like, screw it. The flip side, though, is the Sequin returns to Devante Booker is... Caput.

Toast. Eminently benchable. Yeah. At best. Okay, receiver time? Yeah. All right. So, again, Ravens Raiders, not a disaster to have the Ravens and Raiders on buy for receivers.

It's just Marquis Brown, Rashad Bateman, Hunter Renfrogs. Like, we can live with that world. D.K. Who's your number one receiver waiver pick for this week? Again, this was a tough one. It came down to the wire, and we heard about the Devante Adams news, literally about 25 minutes before we started recording this podcast. So I'm going with Al-Lizarre for the Packers, who,

if you're looking for a one-week fill-in, particularly if you're struggling from injuries and or the Devante Adams loss, I think Lizard is a solid flex option to plug in this week and this week only. I'm guessing Devante Adams will be back. he is vaccinated, which means he has to have two negative tests before the game. It's very unlikely. It's looking like very unlikely that he's going to be able to play this Thursday. So again, for a one week only plug in, Alan Azar, I think is a solid option. He's rostered in 4% of leagues, two straight weeks with double digit points in PBR. And that was with Devante Adams playing.

He's had 11 targets, eight catches, 87 yards, and two touchdowns in that stretch for the Packers. He's kind of like the number two in that offense, if there is one, I guess. in terms of the receiver position. The thing is MVS, Valdus Scantling, is we don't know, but probably also going to miss this game too. He's closer to coming back, but I think it'll be touch and go.

Like, Lizard is more reliable, in my opinion, even if MVS plays. Does that make sense? Like, I don't even, I don't want to trust MVS at this point. Well, he's on IRR. I feel like they got to hurry up if he's going to play this week.

I think I saw that he's a tough turn around. He's close to coming back, but it's unclear if he's actually going to be coming back this week. To piggyback on top of D.K. collection of Lazzard, which I am also going to mirror. I mean, the Packers, honestly, like the last three-ish weeks, they haven't exactly blown the doors off any team offensively, mainly because they haven't had to.

They've played teams that they were just kind of better than limited offensive teams. This week, they're going out of Arizona. So if there's any chance that they're going to be in a shootout, it's probably this game. And like D.K. said, you know, DeVante's, or Alan Lazzard has had a 17% target share, and each of the last two games, that's with Devante Adams. I mean, he could probably, you could make the argument, he'll see double-digit targets this week against Arizona. Yeah, it's Luzard too. And as Craig, like Craig was saying, I mean, the Cardinals have given up fantasy points to receivers.

Like, it's just, Luzard, it's just a super solid option. I'm writing about, I'm writing about the Packers in my power rankings this week. Since, so like, taking Rogers week one out, because Rogers was terrible and it was preseason. That was a preseason. It was his preseason, yeah. If you take out week one, and so from week two on, Rogers is third in touchdowns, tied for third in touchdowns. He has 15 touchdowns in that stretch. Only Brady and Matt Stafford have more.

He's second to Prescott and pass rating, 118.6. And then third and adjusted yards for attempt nine and a half. So he's been playing really well. This offense, Craig, I agree with you. Like, it hasn't really had to go full bore. They just been so efficient. They haven't really had to do, like, go all out. This week is where they might have to really turn it on and pass a bunch.

And so, yeah, I like this one. And I just want to, like, you know, you want to hit your wagon to good quarterbacks if you're looking at receivers. So this one works. Quick side note here. You mentioned Rogers and how good he's been. Maybe I'm just, this is a recency bias, but I can't remember a time and where we're pretty much halfway through the season. Not really a 17 game, but whatever. We're seven weeks through the season.

There are like eight legitimate MVP candidates who I think are all in the run. running. You have like Tom Brady, Kyler Murray, Matt Stafford, Josh Allen, maybe, Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rogers. All of these guys are legitimate in a different season, really, really having the years of like an MVP.

You know my theory on MVP's, right? What? The MVP is a team award that we tell ourselves as a player award, but in reality, every MVP of the last like 14 years except for the Adrian Peterson 2000 yard season, every MVP is a quarterback for a team of the first round by.

Yeah, I mean. And so basically a quarter of your team gets a first round by, and there is a quarter, you look at that, we basically look at that group and pick the one who gets the most credit for that team. Or another way to look at it is that we don't really, it's really hard to talk about how teams, why teams win or lose. And so we basically give players credit when their team wins. And the quarterback whose team wins 14 games and loses twice, just gets the credit for that

season. And even though you could probably argue maybe there are some quarterbacks who've dragged teams to 11 wins, and without them, they'd have three. Yeah, it's more of a narrative award. But it's really just when you lose, the quarterback can't be credited as an MVP candidate. So I think, but to your point, though, I think the reason there's so many MVP candidates this year

is that we don't really know who, like, the best teams are in this conference. And so that's the trickle down. No frontrunner this year, really. I mean, it's, I feel like I've had seven different conversations about seven different guys. And in each one of those conversations, we end with, yeah, man, I mean, he could look like, the MVP this year. There's so many of them. That's why I think that this is such a cool game

for the Cardinals, because this feels like Kyler Murray's first big game as an NFL player. Like he's obviously had big games, but this is the first one in prime time against Aaron Rogers and are they favored? I haven't looked at the lines yet. Let me check right quick. Quick line check. One sec. The Cardinals are giving six points. I guess that's with

no, that's probably a post- Devante Adams adjustment. But still, Kyler Murray, Thursday at football against the Packers and and Rogers and you're favored by almost a touchdown. Like, this is the first game where people are going to be like, oh, like, this is Kyler's chance, which is cool.

Okay, so we're all collectively on Lazard here. Does that mean we're doing showdown time? Yeah, we got to do Alan Zard's showdown time here. Okay. Who would have thought? Who would have thought? Yeah, we had first Kenneth Gainlow, and now we have the Alan Lazzard

showdown time. DK. heads up. I'm doing the Will, I'm doing the Will Ferrell thing from, from wedding crashers. Fifth pump. Yeah. Really excited about this question.

Okay. It's from Peter. Peter. Peter. What year did the first yellow down marker appear on TV? Oh, good question. The yellow down marker? The first down marker.

The line is unofficial. The yellow first down marker. When did they introduce that? This is a fun one. Movie magic has really taken a giant leap forward in the last few decades. Like, they really were limited. I think we should guess quickly. Two years are in my head.

head. Okay. Let's do it. Okay, go ahead, Craig. Do you want to do three, two, one? You want me to say it? I have the number of my head. We don't have to talk over each other. I know. I'm not going to change my answer based on what you guys say. Okay, I'm going to go with 2006. That's so long. That's unbelievably wrong. I went way, way further back. I went 1989. Oh, I have a, I'm going, I, before you said it to get, I had 1987. I feel like it's 87 or 97. I believe it's 87. Let's do it. Okay. What is it? Uh, the answer is, uh, the answer is. Fuck 1989.

I knew it. Fuck you guys, baby. I knew it was more recent. Oh, 98. Wait a stick. So I said 89, so I'm off by 9. I was off by 8. You're off at 8.

Don't tell me Craig wins. I'm sorry, I called him out. Fuck me. I feel like Craig's, Craig was technically the closest, but he was also the furthest. No, I just knew it was more recent

than everybody thought. I mean, I guess it's a little too late. 2006? Come on. Here's why. It's closer than your guess. Why is that worse? dude

come on in this millennium you think it sounds weird to hear 2000 that's the only difference yeah it actually it's actually kind of funny that we're doing this because like when you look at video

like if you're looking at YouTube video or YouTube highlights from like seriously like 2008 which really doesn't feel like that long ago it looks like it's from the fucking stone age there's what confused me though here's what confused me

so my mom had always wanted to show me and we finally one day We watched, she was one of to show me the Giants 49ers championship games from like the late 80s, early 90s, because that was like classic football. And for like 10, 15 years, whoever won the NFC championship game, like that was the Super Bowl, and then they rolled the AFC. And so like the Niners, Giants ones. And so I watched it. And I could not believe it.

It was like 1987. And Bill Walsh pulls out a challenge flag. And they do instant replay. And I was like, there was instant replay in January 1980. I had no idea. it was that old. And so that was what was in my head. But I knew it was, I actually knew it was 97.

Oh, did you? Yeah. I didn't, I said right before. I said it's 87 or 97. That checked the tape, bro. That's a decade. Who really can tell the different? I said it start to the seven. I said that right before we gave our answers. That's just you memorizing it.

And that's not you actually thinking about when it makes sense that it would be. I didn't say it knew what it makes sense would be. I said, I knew it starts with the seven. Watch a movie in the 80s. It's not the 80s. God damn it. All right. That's fair.

That's fantastic. So Craig gets Alan Lazard. Hyvitz, can you apologize to me? No, 2006 was a dumb answer. You should have known that. You should have watched football before. I was closer than both of you. How can you say it was a dumb answer?

Because you were alive for the years. I was 11. 10, you should have known. I think it's a good guess. Thank you, everybody. Okay, I'm taking those arms. The Patriots have the yellow line. All right.

So I get second pick. I'm going with... Rashad Bateman of the Ravens who is still out there. TK, they're on buy. I don't care. I'm picking out for the rest of the season. No, I actually feel you because I actually agree with Diggins' point here. The fact that these buys are over,

how many people really need like a desperation plug-and-play receiver this week? Well, I don't know. If you have Devonti Adams and Marquis Brown on your team, you do. I don't know. I think we should pocket this as like the next week guys and the long-term guys. I think that's fair. Okay, well, since we're just doing this, I'm going to talk about Rashad Bateman as the rest of the season.

I have him prioritized on the waiver wire this week. He followed up a very strong, solid effort in his first game. He had four catches for 29 yards. This isn't sound great. He had four first downs. He was utilized really well. Second on the team and targets. This last week, another solid game, six targets, three catches, 80 yards.

He looked really good. They're using them in the offense. Most importantly, this passing offense is, like, changing before our eyes. like it is a pass first offense for the first time, I think, under, like, Lamar Jackson that we've seen. Their neutral script, pass rate is much higher than it was last season. Lamar looks great as a passer. I don't think Marquis Brown necessarily is going to gobble up 14 targets every week like he did in this last game. I think it's going to be a little bit more evened out between Bateman, Marquise Brown, and Mark Andrews.

And there's a good funnel there to, like, those three guys. and that kind of makes it easier to like stomach the fact that this is traditionally a more run first team. I think even though they are passing more, the fact that they're that they're funneling all the targets or most of the targets through these three guys actually helps a lot too. Plus they can't run the ball. They've got three dusty old receivers at running back and the, or sorry, running backs at running back and they don't want to use Tyson Williams for whatever reason. So all that together. I just think Bateman has a solid chance to have a good second half the season. and rookie receivers generally speaking over the years

have always been much better over the second half of the season than they have during the first half of the season. The splits are actually like incredible. So I'm just kind of excited what he can do. And obviously, yes, correct. They do have a buy this week so you can't use him this week. But I think the buy is exciting because I think that what you're doing is you're banking on, you're not banking.

You're hoping that if they involve him more over the buy week and they use the buy week to get Rashad Bateman more integrated to the offense, he could come out of the by like an even more like more focal focal? Yeah, I couldn't find the word. Integral?

Integral? That's what I was looking for. More integral part of the offense. Yeah. And if he doesn't, all right, whatever, it's a bench spot. Yeah, and you hope, you hope, though, that the buy lets him beat out Sammy Watkins because Sammy Watkins will likely be back coming out of the buy and you hope that that, you know,

overshot Bateman can go. Bingo. And that's why my choice, what I would have chosen overshot Bateman, is still Christian Kirk, who somehow, some way, is still not rostered in like 70% of leagues. So I saw he was 60, he was rostering 60-something percent on Yahoo. So I didn't utilize them. Is he one of those guys with the massive disparity on ESPN and Yahoo?

It must be. But I mean, look, if he's, if he's under 40% in ESPN leagues, like, you've got to capitalize in that. Christian Kirk is available, like, go get Christian Kirk. However, we've just been beating this drum for like a month now that I'm just going go with someone else because Christian Kirk's out there go good. I don't trust the ESPN leagues. And Tim Patrick is the same way though.

We like Tim Patrick. You get it by now. So I'll give you someone else. Even though Judy will be back. Yeah, that kind of hurts his stock, I'd say. Tim Patrick's forever. He was, honestly, he was playing in 22 and 12 personnel or whatever, two titan sets before

Judy got hurt and Judy was not. So there is something to the idea that maybe Tim Patrick is like, going to run more routes. So we'll see. If you're desperate, though, and again, Al-Azard,

Christian Kirk are ahead of them if you want to stash, Rashad Bateman, but if you're desperate, if you're desperate for this week, it's an obvious option to me. I'm wondering if you're going to say it. Probably not.

Who are you going to go on? Darius Slayton? Yeah, that's how I've got too. Maybe I'm just like instinctively against the Giants. He has blinders for the Giants, dude. He doesn't, he never wants to talk about it. They're playing the Chiefs. He had nine targets last week.

None of those receivers are probably going to be back. I don't know. Yeah. So I'm trying around to emotionally. Cadarius, Tony, is, I don't know what this situation is, but it's likely. It seems like that he's going to miss another week. Sterling Shepard was a game time decision this week. And ultimately, I don't think he was that close to playing.

It sounded like when he was warming up. He wasn't even really close. They might end up trying to give him another week. Kenny Goliday is out indefinitely. And so Darius Layton kind of turns into the top target in this team. Don't forget Dante Pettis. I think he's much better than Dante Pettis. He's certainly getting the more high-value downfield targets, I would say.

I think he's just a better player. Giants fans love Slayton. Slaten's been a joy. Slaten's one of Dave Gelleman's up. He's good. I think he's good. I think he's pretty good. I think he's pretty good.

And obviously with the injury situation, I think he's a guy that I would be willing to play in the flex situation if Shepard and Tony are out another week and Calladay, obviously. So he was definitely the next guy on my list. I just didn't have him above Bateman because it's going to be a one week thing. When Tony and Shepard come back, I don't think he's going to be a thing. Yeah. And then there's desperation vibes too, like Petis, I guess.

this is desperation play. But I don't know how desperate you are this week. I feel like it's not that bad of a week. And then another one, Amon Ross St. Brown to the Lions. I know he did not have a good week last week, but I don't think that's indicative. Like, I don't think Khalif Raymond will be better than Monrus St. Brown for the Lions going forward.

Yeah. A couple of others to add here. Russell Gage for the Falcons, who came back from an ankle injury and missed a couple of games. He had four catches for 61 yards and a touchdown. Michael Gallup was on Yahoo at 40%. Right at the 40% mark. We kind of like have that as our cutoff.

But if he's out. there in leagues. He's definitely worth stashing at this point. In fact, I'd probably have him higher than everybody, but Lazard on him. I actually might have him number one on my list if he's still out there. While we're here, this is an important conversation because we just tell people to add, add, add, we've got to have a very important

conversation. Can you cut Alan Robinson? I said this on the pod yesterday. I think you can. God, that is crazy. Somebody in my league cut Odell. I was like, wow, what a world we're living in. Odell at least has two shoulder injuries. that he's not going to get surgery for and he's going to fight through. Alan Robinson, as far as we know,

is basically healthy and is, what is he, the wide receiver 58 on the air? Is that too high? All I know is that he would be the wide receiver four on the Detroit Lions. Just like fantasy-wise. That just sucks so much.

But yes. This is not an Alan Robinson question. This is a Justin Fields question. And this is how much do you think he can improve in the second half of this season, DK? I, so I don't think I am not optimistic about Justin Fields this year. I think there's just too many things going on. I think Justin Fields needs time to be to improve to speed up his processing a little bit. I think that the offensive line is horrific and terrible and that's not doing it many favors. I think the coaching staff has been rough. All three things together. I don't want to I'm not assigning blame to any one thing. I'm just saying all three, all these things together feels being bad, offensive line being bad, the coaching staff being bad. I don't see it really taking a huge jump in the second half the year. And, like, honestly, the other thing is, like, they don't seem to want to, like, pass more.

Like, one of the problems is not just that Justin Fields has been struggling. It's that they run, like, the slowest, low-volume passing offense in the NFL, and that's how they want to run. And, you know, even if Fields improves marginally and gets better and a little more efficient, they're still going to be throwing, like, 24 times a game or something like that. It's just not sustainable. And Mooney is Fields' favorite target. it. So I don't know. I suppose there's a chance that they could just turn things around, but I don't see it. I think it's a reasonable option to drop Alan Robinson at this point. Like forget about the sunk cost that it took for you to draft him. Like going forward, he's just taking up a roster spot and you can't start him, you can't trade him. He's a throw in on a trade. You can throw him in on a trade. How about that? I want to just toss it because my gut instinct is like, hold on. Like don't cut Alan Robinson yet. Like you are like to you can. You have permission, but my gut is to not recommend it. However, I do want to just throw out here because I just want to throw out like something that

it's pretty incredible. Okay. Please do. Throw it out there. So Alan Robinson does not have a double digit fantasy games this year. Like double digit point performance this season. Right. These are the wide receivers, just to give you a sampling, wide receivers who have played

six games and don't have a double digit fantasy game, basically. I'm about D.D. Westbrook, Quez Watkins, Mohamed Sunnu, Isaiah McKenzie for the Bills, who you've forgotten about, Terrace Marshall for the Panthers, Devin DuVernet for the Ravens.

I mean, these are like special teams guys. It's like 16 team leagues that you're like playing these guys. That's how this, like, I mean, Alan Robinson, like it's not even like he wouldn't be rostered. It's like you wouldn't think about rostering

Alan Robinson if he had a different name. Yeah. Wow. So were you actually saying cut Alan Robinson? Well, I'm, yeah. I guess so. I mean, I'm saying don't feel bad

if that's what you want to do. Yeah, don't feel bad as like the way of the way. Listen, if you need to cut him and you can get somebody like Rashad Bateman

or I don't know, you know, maybe even Alan Lazzard, Michael Gallup. Because I think Luzard or Bateman, yeah. I don't know if I'd cut, would you cut him for Dary Slaten?

I think not. I'd do it for Gallup. I think you're anchoring, High Fitz. Man, maybe I am anchoring. All right. Well, that's crazy.

Let's move on. All right, tight end time. bad week for tight ends on bides. Darren Waller and Mark Andrews. And obviously Darren Waller was hurt on Friday at practice, which was super annoying. If you had to deal with that,

we don't know the status of him. We'll find out he's got two weeks to get better. So hopefully he's all right. But with that said, Dika, who's your number one tight end waiver pick for this week? I might be zgging while you guys zag here, but I'm going with Pat Friar Muth for the Steelers. Number one.

Yeah, because I think, again, this is me thinking for the rest of the season and his potential to kind of grow. again like second half of the year um rookies tend to just like be more ingrained in the offense know the offense more have better chemistry all that stuff it kind of just helps pay off um and i think what we saw in the last game is obviously the sewers weren't by this week but last week um they he was the guy who kind of like took over for juju smith schuster it wasn't necessarily like he was the only replacement one to one but he ended up having i think like seven targets

in that game uh he looks pretty good he's he's had some good chemistry with Big Ben, especially in the red zone. So I'm just kind of using this as a speculative ad time to grab Firemooth who could have a pretty solid second half the season, especially at a tight end position where there's just a lot of question marks.

So he's second round pick. Like he's a good player. They called him Baby Gronk for a while. I think he's never going to live up to that nickname. But I mean, I think he's a good player, good athleticism. Sorry, Hi Fitz, it's true. And he's just a natural player. Like, he's just a good player.

I thought the whole thing. on Firemouth was that he was not that athletic. Remember? I was like, oh, Ben joked that like, oh, he's not the fastest. He couldn't move the most, but he's the Jason Witten Heath Miller type. Oh, yeah, I guess maybe you're right. Maybe I should rescind my athleticism thing here.

Let me look up his... It's a weird cop to call somebody Baby Gronk, and then Ben Rothesburg is like, he's not that fast. Also, never call anyone Baby Gronk. Yeah. Not that you guys did, just like in general. This is good, though. Well, he scored tons of touchdowns at Penn State. And I think that's kind of like where he got that nickname.

Oh, I see, like a red zone dominator. You know what? Yeah. D.K., this is... I think Pat Friar Muth was on my list. He's not number one, but I totally see the case from his number one because of the rest of the seat. Basically, if he does replace Juju and the offense, like, I mean, he could be pretty good. It's also a savvy pick because I feel like nobody thinks about the team that was on by the week before when making waiver ads

because they don't have that recency bias of watching them play or nobody got hurt in that week before, you know? So Friarmooth might be off the radar for a lot of other people in your league. Yeah, everyone just is like an idiot and pick. the guy who scored the most points last week, like C.J. Uzoma. So anyway, my number one picked this week was C.J. Uzoma. Because I, like, I know that even a few weeks ago, I said, like, look, he had the Thursday

football game that was really good against the Jaguars. And I was like, look, he scored on, like, a broken play that was a touchdown. Like, don't chase it. I know it's a mistake, but I kind of want to chase it. Like, the only thing that's worse than, like, picking up C.G. Usoma and him sucking, and you're like, oh, right, I picked an unsustainable game is if he just keeps doing this, like, the Bengals' offense is good. And if we've learned something this season,

it's like you kind of just want to roll the dice tight ends and good offenses. Dalton Schultz or the Cowboys has been good. Dawson Knox of the Bills has been good. Like the Bengals aren't quite that level of offense, but they're up there. I'm not saying he's going to be, he's number one tight end this week.

That's not going to happen all the time. But I feel like he's suddenly above average as a dice roll for a touchdown and some decent yardage and some targets. So he's almost not like, I feel like the odds of him crashing back to Earth and really ghosting you were high. but also like I'm willing to take like a dice roll on a guy that just is in a better offense

and does seem to have some level of rapport with burrow that I didn't want to acknowledge before. The bar is so low, man, with tight ends. The bar is so low. I feel like I can't fault you at all. I didn't pick C.J. Ozoma, but I feel like no matter the tide end any of us suggest, it's like a three-year-old bringing home a watercolor painting from school. You're just like, oh, that was great. Good job, honey. Like, it's so difficult.

Pretty much anybody you add is all the same shot in the dark. I picked Evan Ingram, who had eight targets last week. they're playing the chiefs? I had him on my... None of us had Foster Moreau. So we went on different, but that was my list of three. It was Uzoma, Evan Engram,

and Fremuth. I have one more guy, but... Yeah, I mean... Yeah, the thing I wanted to add about Uzoma, I like this one, actually. He is in an offense that right now, I think people are still kind of

anchored to the idea that they run a slow, they run first, you know, they don't run a lot of plays, blah, blah, blah. Like, that's what they were at the beginning of year. There's just not going to be

enough targets in this offense for him. That's kind of like where I anchor myself to with this. But the last few weeks have been pretty encouraging in terms of like their neutral game, their neutral script passing rate. Like the way they're passing more and they're going faster. And they're starting to look more like the team we saw last year, which was really pass heavy, letting Burroughs sling it.

I think that what they were doing at the beginning of the season was basically like, look, they recognize that Burrow is still coming back from his knee injury. He's not going to be very mobile. They want to like ease him in. They're going to run the ball a lot. They're going to go slow. They're going to try and shorten the game.

and play fewer plays, and they did all that in the beginning of the season. And now it feels like it could just be a blip, but it feels like they're going, they're trending back in the direction where they're letting him kind of loose. They're letting him be him. They're passing more.

They're going to end up having more opportunity for everybody in this offense. They're going to score more points, hopefully. And so this is like getting in early. This is like getting in on the ground floor of like the Bengals offense that we think that they could be or that we thought they could be kind of like in the summer or whatever. I don't think you're getting on the ground floor with CGZoma.

the week after he's the number one tight end of the position. Okay. Thanks for that, Hyfitz. You're right. Correct. But what I'm saying is he could have a bigger role going forward in terms of consistency and everything like that. And he's not going to be, whatever, it's like, he wasn't even my number one choice. He's not going to be like super expensive to get him if you have to spend your fob on him or whatever.

So, yeah, does I say fob? I don't know why I can't remember it. I call it fab. Do you guys call it fob or fab? It's like can and con. No one knows. Yeah, that's exactly. Fab. All right, Craig, you had Evan Engram.

Yes, we have no showdown time here. I think that's a good one. I mean, the Johnson's playing the Chiefs. Like, that makes total sense. Also, he's going to catch a touchdown eventually. Yeah, he's averaging six targets a year. That's the only reason I picked him over Uzoma. That sounds right.

I think you meant six targets a game. Oh, sorry. Six targets a game, not a year. But I picked him. That's my slight edge over Uzoma is. Uzoma's only had more than three targets one time. And I was like, all right, I'll take the higher floor with tight end rather than the ceiling. So, okay.

So tight end, a couple other guys who wanted to shout out. on the tight end spot. Robert Tunyon. We mentioned Devante Adams. This is out. Oh, yeah. Probably out for Thursday football.

Robert Tunyon, as flawed as the man may be, he's a touchdown machine, but like if DeVante's out, more targets to go around at Green Bay. The other one, we need to put some respect on his name. Foster Moreau. Shout out Peter Schrager.

Hello. Yeah, but they're on by. Foster Moreau had an incredible game and replaced with Darren Waller. Now, here's the thing. Obviously, Darren and the Raiders are on by this week, but we don't really know the deal

with Darren's injury. If Darren Waller is, hurt enough that he can't play two weeks from now. Foster Monroe would be a really good streaming option. I'm not saying you have to pick him up this week, but certainly keep him on your radar based on what we learn about Darren Waller's injury. And if you have an extra spot and Darren Waller's on your team and you're worried about him, I guess you don't because you have to get tight in this week. But keep Foster Monroe in mind for, he's like, Faustrault's like the classic Sunday morning ad for the week ahead. Like if, you know what I mean? Like if you,

if one of your players goes to YR and you have an extra spot on Sunday morning, and you make the ad and you pick up Foster on Sunday and then like Wednesday, you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

you have him and maybe while it's questionable. You're adding him for eight days from now, not that same day. Yeah. Yeah. Okay,

that's all. All right, defensive streamers. Well, we're talking about the Bengals offense. Dude, the Bengals defense. Yeah.

Like, it's better than you think. They're playing the Jets. And Zach Wilson's out. Zach Wilson has a PCL injury. He's out maybe two weeks. Might be a month. We'll see.

He might go on IR. are, dude, the Jets are going to play Mike White, who was like a fifth rounder from a few years ago. He'd never taken a snap at NFL game till last week. I mean, you kind of can't think of a worse situation. What was the situation a few years ago or two years ago? Who was the Jets quarterback that came in? Luke Falk.

Yeah. First game in Jolette. It's not quite that bad. Yeah. But, dude, Mike White making his first career start for the Jets team that just lost by 40 points or whatever. Is Mike White the first quarterback who, when you Google, his name, he's not the first person who comes up?

No, there's definitely other ones. You think? Yeah. I would, dare I say, the Jets have two of those guys because the backup for Mike White's Josh Johnson. I bet Josh Johnson isn't the first Josh Johnson. That's literally the person I just thought of. That's hilarious.

They're both on the Jets. Only the Jets could have two quarterbacks that if you... You are incorrect. If you Google Josh Johnson, the quarterback comes up. There's not a more famous Josh Johnson than Josh Johnson. Wow. Mike White, we all know, is the creator of School of Rock. No, I have...

The first guy comes up for me is Josh Johnsoncom. Josh Johnson. I typed in Josh Johnson into Google, hit enter, and the first thing that comes up for me on the right side is his Wikipedia and him as a quarterback. All right side, I have his Wikipedia, but the first result from me is Josh Johnson Comedy.com. Oh, I guess that that's tough because you see it on the right. But anyway, my point persists that Mike White is clearly not the most famous Mike White. Can we call him Ned Schneebley? Can we just give him that name? Who are the other Mike White? Is there another Mike White you're thinking of? Yeah, Ned Schneeble, School of Rock. He's the creator of... He's Ned Schneebley in School of Rock. Mike White, he was on Survivor. I'm going to blow your mind right now. I don't know the names of the school of rock characters off the top of my head. No, he's the, Mike White is the actor who played Ned Schneebley in School of Rock.

Ned Schneebley is the name that, you don't know the name, Ned Schneebley, that's the name Jack Black becomes in the movie. Oh, Jack Black's characters named Ned Schneepley? It's not. His name, Jack, he's talking about it. Hold on. Jack Black. Am I the crazy one or is Craig the,

am I supposed to know the names of the school of rock characters? Jack Black plays a character named Dewey, but he takes a job as a substitute teacher. That is his friend, Ned Sneebley's job. So he pretends to be Ned Schneebly in the movie. His character Dewey pretends to be Ned Schneebly. So everybody calls him Ned Schneebly. Why Mike White is also relevant is he created the new show White Lotus that just came out.

There you go, folks. That I would have gotten immediately. Yeah. There you go, folks. The White Lotus thing I would have known. Jesus Christ. So yeah. Wow, I don't know where to go from there.

Should we talk about streamers? Speaking of paradise? The point is the Bengals defense is going to crush Ned Schneeble. Yes. That's the point. They're going to, there I say, rock, Mike White. They're going to crush him like a guitar

banged against the stage at the end of a show. I've mentioned on this show the giant, my friends have this giant new fee, this like 140 pound dog that has an incredible Instagram, Woody Mammoth. He's going as Jack Black from School of Rock. Like the dog will be the substitute teacher for Jack Black for Halloween.

That's awesome. That's an amazing costume. Okay. You guys don't sound like School of Rockheads, I just... I'm not. I feel like that movie was pretty big

for people are age. I love the movie. Who's... And it had Miranda Cosgrove. Boom, see? I know the movie. Joan Cusack, yeah.

Okay. Anyway, Bengals are a good one and then... But check if anyone dropped Pittsburgh as a defense because they run by

this week, not like everyone, but if someone dropped Pittsburgh in your league because they run by, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the next three games are the Browns,

who probably won of Baker Mayfield. Then they got the Bears and this disaster show that is Justin Fields and his offense and all the sacks they're taking.

And then the lions. So if the Steelers are around, look for them. And if not, the Bengals are a really good streaming option. Yeah, I agree. If you can get San Francisco. San Francisco is playing the Bears. If you can get them. Yeah, the Bears, we love Justin Fields.

But, man, I mean, how many times did Fields turn over the ball against the Buccaneers this week? Five. It felt like 12. It was rough. Every time they cut to the game, it was just the Buccaneers rowing the boat. I think the Buccaneers were rowing the boat in the end zone. Craig, you probably didn't see this, but they literally did. the like row row your boat like and like all 11 of them did it in line. I'm not exaggerating.

I think they did it at least three times. It reminded me of it reminded me of basketball. You know when they talk about how celebrations have got out of hand, gotten out of hand and they do like the entire team is doing river dance when they score a touchdown. It was like their celebrations were probably equal to Chicago's time of possession. So much grandeur in the celebration. but yeah, it was bad. Did we talk about QB streamers yet? We talked about defensive streamers. No, I think, honestly,

I feel like quarterback's true. I guess if you have Lamar. Yeah. Or car. Those are two starters. So Trevor Lawrence is playing the Seahawks. I think that has sneaky appeal. Daniel Jones against the Chiefs.

What do you think of that one? Yeah. If it says giant sparders. Daniel Jones, I don't want to say it out loud. Uh-oh. then don't. Hey, he didn't have a turnover, and that's something. No, he, he is turning, I will give him,

he is turning over the ball. He's not turning over the ball as much anymore. Again, my concern for young Danny Jones was his situational awareness, and as I've said before, I've been very concerned for him crossing the street because I just feel like he doesn't have great awareness of what's going around him.

I now feel like he could cross the street and be perfectly fine. At what point do we talk about Carson Wentz being a decent fantasy player? It's probably still too early. Do we wait a couple more weeks to then talk about questions? I had him on my list, too. I had Lawrence, Wentz, and Jones as my favorite streamers this week.

And I think, yeah, he's been pretty good. Like, he's been solid. He's had 17 points or more in every game but one this year. So my only concern would be the Colts are playing the Titans this week. And even though the Titans have a bad defense on paper, the Titans somehow have a way of making every offense look ugly. Like, obviously they destroyed the Chiefs this week. I'm not saying that's like,

going to happen again. But don't the Titans games, aren't they always just ugly affairs? Like they drag you down to their disgusting style of football play and then beat you with experience. Disgusting. Well, and Hyatt's to your point, the one game that Carson Wentz did not have 17 points was against Tennessee this year. There we go.

The Titans have given up the seventh, no, sorry, the sixth most points to opposing quarterbacks this season. So, but how does that jive with them to start? I don't understand how they held the Chiefs to three points. It was a, I think it was a matchup thing, honestly, like partially. What they did was they pressured with four, which is they didn't blitz. The whole new book on Mahomes this year, High Fitz, it's funny. It's like you just don't blitz him at all.

And like he makes mistakes. It's like basically you're asking Mahomes to like mess it up, which is weird because the Titans, I've like, they're so banged up in the secondary. They've lost like several starting corners. But they have. Six days before this game, they were literally down to three cornerbacks on Monday night football. Yeah. And they have, but they have a really good front.

line, defensive line, so they were able to get a lot of pressure, a couple sacks, and force the chiefs into making some mistakes. I don't think, you play that game 10 times, I think nine times out of 10, the chief's offense looks really good. I think it was just a weird game, and they had, they just never could get it going. Wasn't that the speech in miracle? Speaking of Tennessee, I don't, I haven't, to be honest, guys, I didn't listen to the Sunday night show. I didn't have any time. How dare you? Did you guys talk about Derek Henry, not hitting 150? Did we?

I can't remember actually. Did you talk about it? We didn't talk about it in depth, so congratulations. Great. That was a hell of a call. Balzy call on that one. I just think it's funny that the Titans, it's like they've never had a bigger blowout this season,

and of course, that's the game. Derek Henry is his worst game. If you saw the final score, we would have ran from that bet as fast as we could, like the Chiefs had three points. Yeah, you had 29 carries.

It's insane. We should just think of Derek Henry has basically like his yards are receiving yards. Right. And that if it's not a close game, he can't get to 200. He can only get to 200 yards if it's like going to be a shootout. Yeah. Anyway.

Anyway, good call, Craig. Good call. All right. I think that is everything. I think that's it. There we go. We want to run through the top options here again one last time? Sure.

You like Kenneth Gamel from the Eagles. We like Alan Lazard for receiving. And then if Christian Kirk still out there, get Christian Kirk. and then the tight end Carousel. Yeah. Pat Fryermuth, Evan Ingram.

C.J. Uzoma. C.G. Usoma. Take your pick. And then Bengals' defense. Steelers are somehow they're still out there. Quarterback. I already forgot what you guys said.

Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence. Danny Dimes. Do we want to give kicker wrecks? Matt Gay. Justin Tucker's off. What are the Justin Tucker people do? That's an excellent question.

Haifitz, do you know? No, I have no idea. I don't know. Greg, zero one. I don't know. Pick the one that's not playing a bomb cycle. That's my advice. What a title.

What a name? Dude, the guy hit a, the 49ers guy hit a 56 yarder. Dude, after missing the extra point, I was like, I don't know anything about the weather. What the hell? I think I know anything. It's like, like, there you get it. It's like these crazy winds and he kicks the 56 year. And it looked easy.

He's 14 for 14 and warmups. I guess he just knows the wind in that stadium because the home kicker was doing good and the Coles kicker was lost. Can I, can we talk about one thing briefly? I don't know if you guys have seen this. It's a San Diego State plug, so I know. But it's relevant. Talking about kickers and hitting boots.

Roger Sherman tweets about this all the time. Roger Sherman, writer for the ringer, and he loves college football. STSU has this kicker punter guy. His name is Matt Arraza. He kicks 85-yard punts. He kicks from their, S-DSU's own end zone to the 15 of the other side of the field. He's hit like 350-plus-yard field goals. He's like the best leg that we've seen in like a decade.

And I think he's going to get drafted in like the 15th. round. He legitimately... The last time I heard this was Roberto Aguayo, who they took... The Buccaneers took him in the second. Was he a punter as well? No, he was a kicker. Because match... This guy's both. Oh. He's the best punter and a great kicker in college? He's had 350-yard field goals. He's perfect on those. And he kicks an 80-yard punt every game. It's through the air, not after the match. Is he like... Is he like... Does he have some different way of doing things? I don't know. Is he like from Australian rules football or something? No idea. He looks like a normal guy, but he has an absolute boot, literally 80 yards in the air before hitting

the ground. Unbelievable. He's SDISU's best player. Wow. Okay. Well, if anyone has more details on this punter, please email is at RunaFantasyf Football at gmail.com, including Roger Sherman. Just, you know what, Roger, you can just hit us on slide. Everyone else emails at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, K, Craig. Thank you to SDSU for recruiting that guy. That's great. Great work. Matt. I'm bad for them. All right. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Rick Astley. Nice.

I wish I could Rickroll a podcast, but I could just play the music. How much of the song could you play until we got sued? I'm not sure. It's like 10 seconds, maybe? Ten? You think we could get like three seconds? All we need is the first, who listens to the video for more than four seconds? Everyone closes that up by then.

Everyone just knows the first three seconds perfectly. Interesting. Could we play it like the first two and a half seconds right now? Maybe, yeah. Hopefully we don't get sued for that. All right. By the way, the Eagles. ever.

The Eagles are trading Joe Flacco to the Jets, you guys. What? It's Flacco time. Flacco's going back to the Jets. He was on the Jets before, wasn't he? Yes. I think he's,

this is like interesting for for Jameson Crowder. The Flacco Crowder connection is back, baby. Not really, not really. Craig is waving his hand. He's like, I'm out. I'm out.

That's like we just got Rick rolled. Yeah. It's like Joe Flacco back to the Jets. You open it and it's like, never kind of I've gotten I've gotten Rick rolled a few too many times

my life I believe that Goodbye everyone