The Ringer NFL Show - Must-Add Players for Week 9

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

We run through the Derrick Henry news as well as the other injuries from Week 8 and offer up our must-add players for Week 9 with our favorite format, Showdown Time.  Derrick Henry (0:42) Must-Adds RBs (12:13) WRs (28:13) TEs (38:43) QB Streamers (50:02) DEF Streamers (55:11) Fun Facts (56:22) Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We all know why everyone's here. Derek Henry, Broken Foot. So Jones fracture, fifth metatars on his right foot. We all know, you know, how the metatarsals go. He's going through surgery. He's going to go on injured reserve. They're saying six to ten weeks, six is on the very optimistic sign. He's probably not playing again in the regular season.

There's an outside chance he can return for the playoffs. But fantasy-wise, Derek Henry is probably done for the season. This feels like the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs, doesn't it, Craig? It really does. it's really, really a big bummer. This feels different than, you know, McCaffrey missing weeks here and there over the last two seasons.

It's just devastating. Somebody who's going to set a record. Like, he probably was going to, who's already setting records. It's awful. And what's even worse in fantasy is he can't be replaced as other guys could. If you look at the other guys

who get drafted in the first round at the running back position, somebody like Christian McCaffrey, we've seen Mike Davis and Chuba Hubbard somewhat fill in, you know, do 70, 80% of what they can do. Dalvin Cook has Alexander Madison who fills in nicely. Zeke would have Tony Pollard.

Aaron Jones would have A.J. Dillon. When Camaro would get hurt, Latavius Murray would do a good job filling in. Derek Henry is such a unique player that it's impossible to replace even 80% of him, which is why this sucks so much. I mean, honestly, like, we're doing an episode. This episode is about waivers, right? And I had a hard time figuring out who the best ad is even with this injury. You know what I mean?

And we'll get into all that. But like, yeah, I think you said there's no one-to-one replacement. There's not even an 80% replacement here. It's just he is so unique, the way that they basically ride him. You know, because his volume is unheard of. It's insane.

It's like one of the hugest outliers in NFL history, like legitimately. So, you know, going forward, it just feels like their whole offense is going to change. And the people that have them on their teams, I'm not going to say they're screwed because every team has a chance. But it definitely like fucks up your season. for sure if you have Derek Kennedy, if you're writing him this far. So we're going to pour some

out to you guys that have him on your team. Sorry about that. This sucks. And it's kind of like the worst case scenario. Yeah, on that lovely note, yeah. You guys don't even know what to say. It's true, though. No, it's true. It's just a massive bummer. There's no like, but on the bright side, like, no, it's just, this is the worst case scenario. Enjoy Arby's. Yeah. I mean, well, because like, to Craig said, if there's no replacement, Henry, it's like, he leads the NFL and carries rushing yards

and rushing touchdowns. That would be the third straight season. Nobody in NFL history has ever led the league and carries rushing yards and rushing touchdowns three years in a row. Like Jim Brown almost did it, but like Derek Henry is legit, just a different guy.

ESPN stats and info had a great stat that Derek Henry's 219 rushes this season are the most by player in his first eight, games of a season in NFL history. So, I mean, that's after he's had 370-something in the regular season last year plus the playoffs, 300 the year before that. I mean, Derek Kennedy, the last three seasons, since 2019, Derek Kennedy has 1,000

and 1 carries. That's like 300 more than second place. And that's like, you're talking about how, you're just saying Derek Henry leads the league in and carries this year, that's a disservice to how many carries he's getting. He has 82 more carries than the next guy. that's like four games worth. Yeah. That's just crazy.

That's ludicrous stat. And that's the whole thing. He's like an anachronistic player. It's like he just is of a different era. Roger Scherman wrote about Derek Henry. Good timing, Roger, like three days ago. And he made a point that it's kind of like Dan Marino for a running back the same way. Like you look at all the passing yardage numbers for single season records.

Like Dan Marino has 48 touchdowns. Everyone else in that ballpark is from the last eight years. And then Dan Marino did it 30 years ago. That's weird. Derek Henry. is on this list of like carries and attempts and yardage. And it's like all the other guys on the list are from three or four or five decades ago. Yeah.

And speaking of guys from three or four or five decades ago, the Titans signed Adrian Peterson. Oh. Look at that segue. That was a Hafeitz-esque segue. That was a really good. Isn't it weird that they replaced Herrick Henry with, there was only four players in NFL history who had more, who ever had more rushing yards in his season than Derek Henry did last year. And one of them just replaced Derek Henry.

It's kind of weird. So yeah, Adrian Peterson is 36 years old Has now been signed to be, I guess, the primary running back for the Titans. We'll see if they make a trade. It's convenient, I guess, in a way that the trade deadlines tomorrow for Tuesday, so maybe they make another trade. But basically, they had to do this

because the only other running backs on their roster, they have Derrington Evans, but he's out for the season. So they really just have Jeremy McNichols, who's like a pass catching back. Don Trell Hilliard, who's a pass catching back on the practice squad, and Mackay Sergeant, who's like a rookie free agent. They have nobody. Derek Henry, before they signed Agent Peterson,

Derek Henry had three games in September that basically equaled the career rushing totals of everyone else on the Titans roster. I saw that, I saw Adrian Peterson like tweeted something with a Titans hashtag, and I just thought to myself, like, do you ever get to the point where it's like in stand-up comedians or whatever, or like a band when they say the wrong city that they're playing in? Like, what's up St. Louis?

And they're like playing in some other city. You're in New Orleans. Like at this point I was like You had to probably like really think hard about like what what you're hashtagging all these tweets with If you're that if you're Adrian Peterson at this point did you remember that he was on the cardinals very briefly I had completely forgotten about that he was on the Saints Yeah well he's trying to chase the all-time record because he went out of my memory Adrian Peterson wants to beat out Emmett Smith for the all-time record but I guess my question

So we're going to get into showdown time and all the running backs but I kind of we just want to linger here for a second I what is the Titans offense, D.K. Without Derek Henry, because it's not like just replacing a running back. We're like upset in fantasy. You can't replace him. The Titans can't replace him either

because the whole thing with Tennessee is Derek Henry is kind of like Devante Adams. You know he's getting the ball in every play. And yet, can't stop it. Yeah. He has faced more eight-man boxes over the last few years than any of the running back. And yet he still is top one or top five every season

in rushing yards over expectation, which is ridiculous, because even though they're putting more resources to stopping you, it is the least effective strategy. And so now the flip side is, if Adrian Peterson comes in, I'm worried, Dekin,

I'm curious what you think here, if defenses can basically have seven men in the box instead of eight. Yeah. But still, the Titans running game is still worse than it was with Henry. It's like defense can do more with less.

The Titans running game will be worse, even though defenses can devote less resources to it. And then A.J. Brown gets affected. What happens to the Titans' offense right now? I know. That is the big question. It's going to be fascinating to see. It changes the entire calculus of how they put together their offense. Like you totally said.

I actually saw the stat from Nathan Yonke from PFF. AJ Brown over the last two seasons has more yards than any pass catcher against eight-man fronts, 561. His yards per route run, 4.28 against eight-man boxes, and 2.18. against seven or fewer men in the box. So he's way more efficient against eight-man boxes. Now, that's kind of like logical, obviously, right? There's one more guy in coverage. You're not going to be as efficient.

I think that's going to be the case with the Cardinals. With the Titans passing game, they're going to be less efficient than what they were when they're running a lot of Henry with like play action, that marriage works so brilliantly. Teams basically had to sell out because they were willing to just run Henry, right? They were just willing to run him like down your throat,

all game long, regardless of the score. Even if you're down like two or three touchdowns, they still did it. So defense has had to account for that. Now, I don't think they're going to. They still probably want to run a balanced offense, but it's just not going to be the same. They're not going to have quite as many eight-man boxes,

all that stuff. And like I said, the passing offense is going to be less efficient, but, but, and this is the big but, H.A. Brown is probably as close to Derek Henry as a receiver as there is in the NFL. And he can turn what should be short gains into big.

And we saw this on Sunday. He caught a little slant route or not slant, right, like a route towards the sideline, broke a tackle and turned it into a 57-yard touchdown. That is what Derek Henry does as a running back. So I'm not saying that AJ Brown is of the caliber, like, outlier of Derek Henry in terms of his as a receiver. But like stylistically, he brings a similar, I guess, like style. and so, or a similar element to their offense. And so, I don't know, I think with more volume,

I think A.J. Brown has a chance to completely go ballistic, even if he's less efficient. Maybe they should just make A.J. Brown, the running back. There you go. Maybe they'll do a little bit of that. Who knows? So, yeah. AJ Brown, you think, goes up from here,

even though maybe more defensive attention, but as long as Julio Jones is out and Henry's gone, AJ Brown, you think he's more attractive now instead of less. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. I think the volume is going to go up. And if you look, I think Ian Hartis tweets this out like every week. In games where AJ Brown has like eight or more targets or something like that, almost every single game is a monster game. The whole problem has always been volume because he's super efficient, but he doesn't get the volume you want.

Now he's probably going to get the volume because I think that the Titans are going to have to throw it more. So it's going to be very interesting. Obviously, you know, you mentioned there's no silver lining. I think the one silver lining is if you have either Tannahill or AJ Brown. round, it could be good for those guys. And listen, Vrable can say whatever he wants about how the offense is going to try and stick to what they normally do and play the way they normally do. Derek Henry average 27 carries a game.

That's not going to happen. I don't, it's not going to even divvy up that way. I don't think between Adrian Peterson and whoever else they want to do. I actually think they're going to try because I think Agent Peterson. Maybe, but it's not going to be as much. They're going to try and I think they'll see how it goes. Like they're going against the Rams. He literally said, I'm not trying to get into a dropback passing game this week.

They're going to see how it goes. Now they've got to deal with Von Miller and the Rams, my God. But I think they're going to try because Adrian Peterson is one of the few running backs where you can culturally be like, nope, this is our guy now. And guys can believe it. All these guys in the Titans grew up watching Adrian Peterson. And then if it doesn't work, they'll probably adjust then. Well, I mean, we joked before about how the Titans are the only team to try to come back in games by running the ball.

I don't think they're going to continue to do that. If they're down 14-0 to the Rams, they're going to throw up more. That's probably over now. fair. All right, do we want to discuss what we think of Peterson and McNichols and other guys here now, or do you want to just go to Showdown Time and see where our fault line shows? No, we should just go to Showdown Time and see where we all have him. So let's do Showdown Time. If you don't know what it is, so we basically all pick every position who are number one guy from that position is for this week.

And if we have the same guy, we do a trivia tiebreaker. So it's really simple. You'll figure it out. So basically, D.K. well also wait before we get to running backs real quick the other buys this week the buccaneers are on by the seahawks are on by the lions in washington are on by so that's you know lenny fornette dion jondra swift and tonu gibson jiddy mickick all the seahawks backs all those guys are on by if you have any of those and then okay with all that said dk who is your number one running back waiver pick of the week so like i said before i didn't think it was quite as straightforward as

it should have been but i did ultimately choose adrian peterson in this one i think just based on the volume that he's likely to get, I guess, and we're projecting that he's going to be the starter. And again, it's Monday afternoon. The trade deadline is Tuesday afternoon. There's still a chance that this will end up being a bad piece of advice. We can't, we can't know between what, like, what's going to happen in the next 24 hours. Maybe they'll trade for a guy like Ronald Jones or whoever. And that guy is going to obviously take much more precedent going forward. But for now, if Adrian Peterson is projected to be their starter, which is looking like it is based on what we know right now because Jeremy Nickles is a past catching back. I think his role will increase

marginally. But yeah, I think, you know, if you're looking for a guy to spend a big chunk of fab on, it'd be Adrian Peterson this week, simply because this is, I think the Titans, like Craig was saying, like the Titans still will want to have this identity, even if they're not able to do it as much as they want to. He's still going to get, you know, 12, 15 carries a game and what he can turn it into with that scheme. We'll see. Again, he had the most carries of any player in NFL history through eight weeks. Like, even if that gets cut in half, that's still really viable. Like, I mean, Craig, did you also have AP, I assume?

Yeah, I did. You know, I went and looked at his last season. You know, he had seven games last year in 2020 where he had over 10 carries. He had 156 carries total last year. Adrian Peterson played all 16 games last year. Wow. So, yeah, well, so what's interesting here is, so, D.K., you bring up a good point about them potentially trading for another guy or signing another guy or whatever.

it's going to be tough. People playing fantasy football, waivers obviously in between Tuesday and Wednesday night and Wednesday morning is when the waiver period ends and then everybody becomes a free agent. So if they sign somebody after Wednesday morning slash Tuesday night, free for all.

It will be a free for all. Like you got to be ready. Set notifications on your phone because if it's like, you know, the Texans have traded for, I mean the Titans have traded for David Johnson from the Texans or Ronald Jones. They signed Todd Gurley.

Be ready because that's... The trade. Deadline is 4 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday. So there will be a gap basically after your work day ends on Tuesday, then you'll know if there's a trade. But they still, in theory, could sign someone after that. I mean, I don't think it's just Adrian Peterson. It's kind of nice that the trade deadline is slightly before most waiver. Waivers. Yeah, I guess they could sign what Todd Gurley, like guys who are in, like, not on a team right now. Peru Schaefter's Twitter timeline on Tuesday. That's basically, you do a little Schefter drinking game. Who is your, who is your ideal? Like, if you

had your choice of anyone in the NFL. Like anyone or like realistic for? That makes sense. That makes, that's like realistic. Yeah. I thought Mike Clay made a good point. He's the ESPN fantasy guy at ESPN who made a good point that Marlon Mack for the cults is a logical candidate. And so the obvious things. Well, the cults, yeah, the same division. They wouldn't train the same division. But in reality, why not? Because the cults are quote unquote helping the Titans, but the Titans have a three and a half game lead on the division. And in reality, you're taking a draft pick from the Titans for your third string running back,

who's a free agent after this year. If you can do that, take it from a rival. I thought that was kind of a decent point. And it's not like the Ravens made a trade with the Chiefs this year for the starting freaking left tackle. That's not the same division, but they're certainly both to see each other as like Super Bowl contenders and probably expect them meet in the Super Bowl. They gave the Chiefs a left tackle.

It's not crazy to be, it's a running back. I don't think it's wild to trade in the division. But I think Marlon Mack would work. How about Rashad Penny? I'd love that. Oh my God. I think we're holding on to the Rashad Penny dream a little too long. My Davis baby.

Anyway, all right. My ultimate dream would be A.J. Dylan, but it's not happening. All right. But enough of speculation. My number one for Adrian Peterson is, my number one is also Adrian Peterson, too. But I have to say one thing, though, depending on your platform, you can actually, now, this is probably too late. but you can actually sign or add Adrian Peterson to your team

if you're on Sleeper or if you're on ESPN because Adrian Peterson is not on a team the waivers don't lock like if he's not on a team so if you have a bi-week guy or a player on the Giants or the Chiefs you can in theory cut that player and add Adrian Peterson right now if he has not already been designated as a Tennessee Titan now this by the time you're listening to this

he's probably already a Titan however the and like Yahoo, that's not a loophole I think because Yahoo just is like no one can be added once the games begin. I don't know exactly what works, but basically I have to think this will cause a like civil war in some

leagues where someone just added Adrian Peterson to replace Derek Henry and everyone else didn't even really have a chance because their all team was locked and someone just had like a backup Monday night football player and cut them. Or like Foster Moreau and the Raiders and you cut him that Adrian Peterson. There's going to be Civil War. But anyway, I think we're going to have a lot of

fantasy courts over that. I like the idea of somebody being quicker than like ESPN's fantasy platform. Like they're quicker to add Adrian Peterson than ESPN is to designate him as a Titan. That's kind of funny. All right. With all that said, okay, so we all have Adrian Peterson's the number

way we've read this week. Let's do some trivia. D.K. DK. Like DK's going to do it. Craig. I can't believe I'm saying this. I never thought I would say this. But we're doing the Adrian Peterson Showdown time.

Here is it. Okay. This is a great question from Hayden. Very topical. Hayden. Hayden. How many rushing

touchdowns did Mike White have in his collegiate career? Fun fact about Mike White's collegiate career. One of my good

friends Thomas also went to Western Kentucky and was a baseball player. And when he like tore his hamstring Thomas.

And when he was rehabbing, he would catch passes for Mike White. on the field just no way that's hilarious wow so small world context though Mike White did two years at western Kentucky but also played two years at South Florida okay so how many rushing touchdowns how many rushing touchdowns that Mikeway have in his collegiate career god college can be so weird like he could have 40 you know what I mean it is I'm I know my number in my head

God damn it I feel like I've been on an extreme cold snap with all these well because it could be like zero and it's like ha ha he had zero yeah okay or it's kind of of a lot. So you have a number in your head high fits? Craig, do you have a number? Did he, can I ask how many years he started? I feel like that's, uh, that's part of the trivia. I don't think you can ask that. Sure, sure. I got it. Okay, I got a number. Craig, you go first. Uh, 17. Oh, I was going to say six. High fits? I said three. I'm going with three. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I wanted to shoot super high.

We'll say, what did you do? What was the answer? The answer is, let me look. get up. Oh my God, it's six. Yeah. Oh, it's E.K. Hell yes. It seems like a six rushing touchdown kind of guy. He does. All right. Well, that is, I can't say it's like

the best win I've ever had, because there's actually quite a few good running back pickups this week, but I'll take it. I'll take it. Here's the funny thing is that the other obvious pick isn't actually on the Titans. I was wondering about Jeremy McNichols, but I'm going to go, I got to go with Boston Scott, who really

took over the Miles Sanders role for the Eagles and look the Eagles ran what 46 times against the Lions Boston Scott clearly has the job between the 20s I think he's rotating in with Jordan Howard near the goal line Kenny Gainwell got I don't know what happened in but Boston Scott has

the job and they're playing the Chargers this week so if you need a fill-in I mean the charges have a run defense that's not as bad as Detroit but it's in the running for one of the four or five worst run-dies in the whole league so I think Boston Scott's totally worth playing this week. You can plug and play. He's great. I agree. He's almost like a

1B. I don't think there's a huge drop-off between Adrian Peterson and Boston Scott. But the difference obviously that Agent Peterson in theory could have this job the rest of the season. And Miles Sanders is probably coming back in the next couple weeks. Yeah. God. To be honest, I'm also not going to pick Jeremy McNichols.

Really? I'm stuck. No. I don't know. I don't trust that usage. I'm going to go with I'm between Ty Johnson and Co. Carlos Hyde, but it depends on James Robinson's foot. If James Robinson doesn't play, what I would do is I would wait till as late as I can on Tuesday to get a report on James Robinson. And if he's out, I'm doing Carlos Hyde.

James Robinson, he had a heel injury. He's like day to day. He's questionable against the bills. He will probably remain questionable against the bills. But let's be real. So Carlos Hyde did get the volume. I think once Robinson went out, he like two thirds of the touches. Hyde had like two thirds of the carries.

sorry, two-thirds of the snaps and two-thirds of the carries for Hyde. First of, so, Carlos Hyde is like Michael Myers. How fitting is it that it's like Carlos Hyde came back on Halloween to haunt all of us? I love Carlos Hyde and I hate him at the same time. Like Michael Myers. But anyway, I don't think, I'm not super convinced that Carlos Hyde's a great play against the Bills. He's like more of a desperation thing. I'd rather have Jeremy McNichols that Carlos Hyde.

Yeah. I don't know. Carlos Hyde cuts six past. last week and played 72% of snaps and ran a route on 66% of Trevor Lawrence's passes. And they are playing the bill. That's kind of why I almost did it is because, you know, I think they're going to get killed. And if I can get a guy who can get double-digit rushes and maybe five catches, like,

that's pretty rare. Yeah, but the Rams are probably going to blow out the Titans or if it's even close. But regardless, Agent Peterson just got here. Agent Peterson's not even been playing football. Jeremy McNichols is the only guy who actually has had any playing time behind Derek Henry this season. so even if McNichols doesn't have a role the rest of the season, he's probably going to have a really big role on Sunday.

And you're also getting the chance that he does earn himself a role on this team as a checkdown guy. And when AJ Brown and Julio Jones both missed that game against the Jets, Jeremy McNichols was like the number one receiver on the team. I think the weeks where Julio Jones is out, McNichols might just be the number two receiver in like a James Whiteway. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I'm not buying it.

I'm going to, and he's just kind of been really ineffective. honestly, he hasn't really done a lot on the ground or even in the past. So I just like hide this week only. If I'm doing this week only, I just think he'll get more touches and that's what I want. We don't usually do tiebreakers, but D.K., if you had lost, who would your, I assume you'd take Boston Scott's second, who would you have third? I think I would go McNichols because there is still a certain amount of uncertainty in terms of like the way that they're going to divvy up usage, the way that they're going to divvy up

roles. I mean, when you're taking Derek Henry out of the equation, that, that creates such a vacuum of production. And I know that Jeremy McNichols, generally speaking, hasn't done a ton. He did have that 112 target game. However, he hasn't really done much otherwise. I don't know. I think I would still kind of try and risk it versus going for a one-week solution with Carlos

side. It just depends on your team, though. If you need a guy to plug into your lineup this week, Carloside might be the guy because there's a solid chance that James Robinson is either limited or out. Going forward, though, it seems like James Robinson's injury is not major. According to what I think Adam Schaefter said, they escaped season-ending

injury, so he's fine, generally speaking. So I think I would lead Jeremy McNichols. I want to throw out a couple more guys, if you guys don't mind, that I think are actually worth picking up this week, potentially. Jared Patterson from Washington, who is still 2%

rostered across the Yahoo Leagues, he actually out rushed and out-gained Antonio Gibson this last week. It's getting to the point where I'm like wondering if Gibson is either just not that good and or too injured to be good this year or to be heavily utilized in this offense. I think it's the latter.

Yeah. He's hurt and he's, I mean, look, we can call it whatever he wants. His leg is broken in a place. It's like we're not going to call it a broken leg, but like that is the problem. He has not been as effective as I want. He hasn't looked as explosive as you think. And he's not being utilized as a pass catcher. So Jared Patterson actually came in and like I said, he had 11 rushes, a couple more than Gibson.

and then the team is just leaning very heavily on McKissick in the passing game. That's kind of like how they're divvying up everything right now. And they're playing with a lot of negative scripts. But I think if the team, again, it's like I feel like a broken record a little bit because I've been saying it for a few weeks. But if they do ultimately shut Gibson down, I think Jared Patterson is a very good thing to have like on your bench. I have them on a few of my benches.

And not that I'm like hoping Gibson gets hurt, but if he does, then you don't have to worry about the waiver wire, you know, high wire act or whatever and hoping that you get him and all that and trying to figure out how much fab to put on him. So that's one guy I think is worth stashing. Tye Johnson for the Jets, even though Michael Carter has really taken over that backfield, is another guy that is being heavily utilized in the passing game. The Jets are going to be playing from behind most of the time.

Mike White, as we've mentioned many times, is a checkdown machine. And so, yeah, he's explosive. He's not very much on the ground. But Ty Johnson has provided six targets and then seven targets the week before that and turned it into 19.6 points in PBR, 13.1 points in PBR. So, again, with this style of offense, it's like a 40% target rate to the receivers, or to the running back, sorry. And so that's definitely going to pay off for Johnson.

He's like a flex option you could use if you're desperate. And then one more, well, actually, a couple more, just real quick. Amir Odula from the Panthers. They just picked him up on waivers. He had eight carries and five targets. So he's getting some utilization there until CMC gets back. and Jordan Howard, obviously, we mentioned before. And Mark Ingram, if he's still out there,

is a really good handcuff slash stash in case, in case Camara gets hurt. I like those. I want to put those in more specific buckets, if we can. Patterson and Ingram are good stashes. Because Washington's on by this week. So honestly, you might not even need to pick up Patterson this week, because, like, Washington's on.

by, but I agree that I kind of don't see why Washington wouldn't shut Gibson down right around the fantasy playoffs. All the all the all the all the docs, all the Twitter docs and guys that I trust on on Twitter that have are, you know, knowledgeable doctors and pay very close attention to fantasy. All of them are like, what are they doing with this guy? Yeah, but there's no chance that Patterson's probably going to be in your lineup for at least like two or three weeks. Right. Yeah, but correct with that's but then the Ty Johnson. Ty Johnson's like a flexible guy this week, I think. He said double digit. points in three straight weeks.

Yeah. He's a flex option this week. As long as Mike White is the quarterback, I feel good. Sky's the limit. And I think Jordan Howard is in that short-term bucket with Carlos Hyde, where Jordan Howard is relevant as long as Miles Sanders is out. But once Miles Sanders comes back, I don't think anyone wants any part of like Jordan Howard hopefully rotating in at the goal line with like in this Eagles offense that notoriously

hasn't been running the ball until last week. So I think Jordan Howard's a desperation one. this week. Carlos Hyde means a Desperation 1 this week. But the other, everyone else we've mentioned, Adrian Peterson, Boston, Scott, Jeremy McNichols have value now and maybe later. And then Patterson, Ty, or Ty Johnson has the value now and then later. And then Patterson and Amir Abdullah are like stashes for later in the play of the play. I think Abdullah is kind of, he's actually more in the desperation Ty Johnson bucket because once CMC comes back, Abdullah is not going to have any value. Okay. So there you go short term. All right. I just want to make sure people know like the time

horizon of what they need. Let's go to wide receiver. Deke, who's your number one wide receiver pick up for this week? Dude, I don't even know. Honestly, there's three guys and it's like one tier. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go with Jamal Agnew, even though I don't feel great about it. It's gross. What? Wow. Yeah. Are we looking at the same number you actually put, are you a believer or like, do we not have the same players on board here? I think. there's two that are pretty obvious to me. Maybe I may be missing a guy when I made my list.

I have I have Rashad Bateman first, but there's a couple other guys. Yeah, that's a great one. I think I maybe just kind of like overlooked him because they were on by this week. Here's why I got Agnew first, but I certainly can be convinced that I'm wrong here.

I think it's, I think we're anchoring to the fact he's a 26 year old old journeyman guy who came in and changed to receiver. If you look at That is exactly what I'm anchoring to. If you look at his actual, like, volume and production, we would be excited about this guy if he wasn't a former corner who has number 39. Yeah, but we've seen this happen on other crappy teams. Like, Khalif Raymond will have a game like that this year.

Quintes Seafis, and we talk about it for Hamanra St. Brown. And it's just like, you know. You just mentioned three lions players, though. Like, come on. He did. You did just mention three lions. I guess I totally understand that. My point is that the Jags are the Lions.

I think that's definitely fair. The pushback I would say is like none of the other guys are super consistent are on good offenses either here. Maybe Bateman. I think you're missing someone. Craig, who am I missing? My number one is Devante Parker.

Oh my God, we all have different people. What the hell? He was one of my three. I mean, Devante Parker, they're playing the Texans this week. He's had seven targets in every game he's played this year. He had eight catches for 85 yards last week on 11. And he's like, Devante Parker's like good. And like, we actually know that.

You've always loved Devante Parker. No, he is like undoubtedly good. He had over 1,000 yards last year. And like, it was actually like a really productive wide receiver. I think he's by far than that's the way. The other one, I can't believe we, the other one I was interested is Russell Gage for the Falcons because, I mean, I'm sure people saw, but Calvin Ridley was a healthy scratch on Sunday.

And then I'm going to quote, he wrote an Instagram, I'm a quote, because I don't want to get it wrong. He said, I need to step away from football at this time to focus on my mental well-being. So, you know, obviously good for him. He's got to take care what he's got to take care of. We don't obviously know how long he will be out. But as long as Kyle of Ridley's out, there's a pretty big hole in that offense. So I mean, Russell Gage, he's not great. He's not bad. Russell Gage is kind of okay. And like, the Falcons are throwing the ball a lot. I mean, Gage had zero targets last week, but yeah. Yeah, but the Ridley, I think the Ridley

was kind of late scratch. I still like Russell Gage. I don't know if I'd put him first. If you can go to Hage Sharp, sure, but like, I actually think Russell Gage will still be solid. He only had zero targets in this last game. Yes. Oh, boy. What is probably going to do? Bring facts to this game? Okay, I think if we're going to order these, I understand, I think we're not having a, whatever you call it, a showdown on this one.

So let's just figure out how to actually properly rank these. I think I'm changing my answer. Wait, sorry, I'm going to throw one more guy. Jameson Crowder. Yes, Van Jefferson, who I think all these guys are very similar. Van Jefferson, I think the Rams are shopping to Sean Jackson, which I don't care if he gets traded or not. It's more a sign of confidence that Van Jefferson can just do that job. They don't really need Deshaun Jackson anymore.

Now you've got the deep threat on this elite offense. It's not that Van Jefferson's like Mikhail Hardman, but in theory, Van Jefferson is what we always wanted Michael Hardbin to be, which is the deep over-the-top threat for a top two offense. Yeah, he has like 80 yards every third game. He's not as fast, but like he's a better overall receiver than Mikkel Hardman is. I think that, yeah. That's a lot of guys we got to sort through.

Also, I was going to throw out James and Crowder for the Jets. I had him too. So, yeah, all these things are similar, though. I kind of think Craig is right. I think Devante Parker should be the priority here. He's done it in the past. He is, he has the chance to be like a longer term ad. Like, in other words, he could, he's probably going to be there for the rest of the season as like one of their starters.

It's him, Waddle, and Gassiki, really, is kind of like their top three receiver right now. Fuller is on the IR. It doesn't sound like he's anywhere close to coming back. So he was definitely. of my three guys. And like I said before, is like sort of this flat tier. I don't know how to pick the top guy. But I do, I think I agree. I think Craig you convince me. Devante Parker is the top one. Can we, wait, can we do this for this week and then another for like rest of the season?

Or is it the same for you? Is it both? Both for Devante Parker. This week, I'd rather have Russell Gates. I mean, look, if you want Devonte Parker against the Texans, it's a good match. Do you rather have Russell Gage who had zero targets versus Devante Parker against the Texans, who just had eight catches for 85 yards? What are you talking about? I, well,

Hyphitz, let's do a bet, me and you, Gage versus Parker. Well, no, my real answer is that I, if the Calvin Ridley news was a surprise to the Falcons, then Russell Gage probably didn't practice for the role he will have in the future. That's kind of what I'm saying. I mean, I get, I mean, he's the number two on the team.

He starts opposite, uh, Ridley. I know, but I'm saying if the Falcons game, I don't know. I'm saying if the Falcons game plan was messed up from the Ridley thing, I think there's an easy explanation for why their whole offense was kind of discombobulated. That's all. Perhaps. I think I would stick with Parker over Gage, but if you want to go with Gage... No, I get it. It's obviously safer to go with Devante Parker.

He did something, and Gage did not. I would argue he has a higher upside as well than Gage, but... All right, so I think Parker, D.K says Devante, so that's the thighbrane. I think Parker, I would agree is number one. I want to just give my little spiel on Agnew and then we can move on, because I know you guys don't share the optimism. That's fine. I will say, I do not think he's in this category and I'm very excited to hear you explain why. I, I, I, I, I, Look, I'm not going to die on the hill for Jamal Agnew, but he had 12 targets in this last game. He got 6, 38 in the touchdown.

He had 6 targets 78 yards the week before that. Six catches 41 yards a week before that. Double-digit PVR points, three straight weeks. He is, as Urban Meyer described him, the best separator on the team. Loviska Schenal has not been what they wanted him to be. They're playing him on the outside. I don't think he fits on the outside.

He doesn't have, and this is something Josh Norris has pointed out out underdog. It's like he just doesn't have the juice to play on the outside to get separation on the outside. He's more of a slot guy. And that's why they have Agnew playing in the inside is because he can't play on the outside. The Jags are just a cluster fuck.

But I think it's a cluster fuck that has benefited AgDU for his role. Even despite all the stuff we're anchoring to the fact that he's like a former corner he has 39, like this is the role that you want in this offense. So again, like I'm not super confident in Agnew. But in PPR particularly, he has like the volume

that you're looking for as a waiver wire ad. And I would say pretty much the same thing with Javis and Crowder, who things may change when Corey Davis comes back, but this guy has also been sort of like, I think, underrated over the last few years. He plays for the Jets, but he is a slot receiver who gets a ton of targets, generally speaking.

Whether it's Mike White or Joe Flacco the next couple of weeks? Like you guys, I mentioned Crowder on the show when we found out Joe Flacco had been who traded to the Eagles, because Joe Flacco loves Crowder. And it turns out Mike White loves dumping it off to running backs and slot receivers. Crowder had eight catches for 84 yards this last week.

So I don't know. I kind of put them in the same. I would say Devante Parker is my number one. Then Agnew, Crowder, Gage, however else you want to rank it, would probably be the second tier. And really, I would listen to any of those guys. All these guys are out there. Let's say, so Bateman gauge everyone we've put out there. I like the whole list.

I like that Bateman. Well, that's the thing. So let's say, because the Bucks, Lions, Washington, Seahawks are on by this week. So receiver-wise, we're talking about Godwin, Mike Evans, D.K. McKaff, Tyler Locker, Terry McLaurin, whoever plays for the Lions. Antonio Brown again on the Bucks. Not to mention the running backs.

At least three of those teams have, like, legit running back. So, like, let's say you're trying to pick a receiver. You might flex them this week. You might not. You'll figure that out on Sunday. And you're also considering the rest of the season. Who would you actually add, D.K., of this group?

My first two choices, after talking it out, would be Bateman and Parker I probably would go I probably honestly would go Bateman first than Parker I actually agree I think Craig convinced me I think Craig convinced me

to put Devante over Russell Gage because now I think about it you're right well the zero of targets is not great I also do think that we just don't know what the deal like how really I play next week we don't know what he's going to do

it is an interesting situation that you kind of have I think you're right and then yeah okay I think you're right Bateman and Parker Craig are you Parker and then Rashad Bateman

yeah Parker than Bateman, they're in the same bucket, though, they're close. I mean, Bateman has... I'm just factoring in the fact that he's a rookie still, like, might be a little bit more inconsistent. Parker's proven anything he's done it before, but Bateman's had six... He had six targets in each of his first two games. Like, he's playing a lot. Like, I think he'll be good, solid player,

but I just like Parker's safety a little bit more. I think, but I think those two are the clear kind of tier one, though, and then I think you drop down into like Agnew, Van Jefferson, Jameson, Crowder. Dek's kind of convinced me on the Agnew Van Jefferson thing, because Agnew's got, like, the volume, but it's not like Agnew's not an exception. explosive player. He literally is tied for the longest play in NFL history from this season.

So like, I, okay, I guess maybe Agnew should be ahead of Van Jefferson. And now I'm wondering if it's Agnew with James and Crowder. Depends if Corey Davis is out. You know, Van doesn't get any of the targets. He just gets all of the deep shots and you just hope he catches his deep one that he gets each game.

And Agnew is more consistent. Yeah. So we're going Bateman and or Parker. What do we just say? Baton. Agnew and Crowder. Oh, my God. And then Van. And then Jefferson and Gage. I still think Gage is high upside, but you're right that Gage is probably more of a boom-buss thing

in the Van Jefferson category. I don't think the gauge one is bad. I don't think it's bad. I mean, he had the week before he had a bunch of targets. And the other guy we didn't talk about is Ques Watkins, who Jalen Rager is hurt. He got carted off for the Eagles.

That's another good one. Quas Wachens is probably a good one. But you know what, man, the Eagles passing offense is so inconsistent that. Dude, I can barely start Devante Smith in my lineups. I'm not ready to start Cquez. I don't think any of us have the stomach to recommend

the Eagles passing game. Like really, we should be trying to take the Eagles passing game away from the people listening to us. That would be a much bigger help. Okay. I'm glad we talked that one out. All right. No showdown time.

Hopefully it happens with tight ends. It's fun. DECO's your number of tight end? I'm going to Patty Fries. Pat Friar Muth from Steelers. Roster in 10% of Yahoo Leagues. I've been on the Friar Muth track a couple weeks here. So basically, two weeks ago when they played the Seahawks, he was one of the main beneficiaries

of Juju being out for the. the year. He picked up seven targets in that game. And then another seven targets this week. And as I have been kind of like alluding to, he's a, he's a very good red zone guy. Like, for whatever reason, the dude just scores touchdowns. They called him baby gronk in college because he was scoring so many touchdowns. And sure enough, in this last game, seven catches, four targets, 44 yards, and then a miraculous, uh, moss of a touchdown. I can't remember exactly how it went, but he like basically went over the guy and pulled it in, scored a touchdown. He tipped and then he caught it. He tipped it to himself.

That is what a moss would be. Yes. Went over the guy and pulled it in as a moose. However, the targets, the catches and targets are quite as strong as you'd like. So he's definitely got a little bit of a boom bust profile in this offense, in the Steelers' offense. And the fact that Ebron was out certainly helped his case. But I think he's just like better than Ebron, isn't he at this point? Like why are they playing Ebron in front of this guy?

Firemuth is my number one too. I agree, D.K. Craig, you're the Steelers' fantasy. You're number one? Yeah, he is as well. Seven targets, back-to-back weeks. Honestly, he's filling more of a role in this offense than Chase Claypool is. Ben Rothesberger loves an unathletic white tight end, baby.

No, marginally athletic. Marginally athletic. Like Keith Miller. By the way, can I just mention that, so the Steelers are playing Monday night against the Bears, and man, will it be interesting to watch two Hall of Famers in Elon Payton, who had depressingly washed final seasons, talk about another Hall of Famer who's currently having. having a depressingly washed final season on the Manning cast.

I'm really excited for that. Oh, man. I actually wonder if they would have to take it off because it will be so awful. Because, like, they can criticize him for how bad he's playing, but then there's like this weird background thought of like, well, this happened to the both of you as well. Well, if anyone, well, no, Peyton, Peyton won a goddamn Super Bowl and, like, Eli went out.

Yeah, but, man, Peyton. Peyton had a noodle. So, he had neck surgery. Yeah, he was fine. He was not even. close to his bat as what Ben is right now. He was still at Peyton Manning's brain. Ben, Ben is

off topic real quick. My favorite genre of impersonation or like, you know, I've seen these many videos on Twitter and like Romo does it really, really well, well he'll like pretend to like throw

like different quarterbacks, like the dropbacks for different quarterbacks. I love those impersonations. Those are the best. Someone was doing it. And I forgive me, I don't know who it was. But there was a video circulating around Twitter on Sunday of, I think it was a college quarterback impersonating all the different styles. Like they had like the Phil Rivers dropback where he like flings its sidearm. And then the Tom Brady where he kind of like drops back and like sort of jumps on his toes and then like delivers just over the top.

I was like these are my favorite impersonation genre. So look that up if you're on Twitter. There's some great ones for the NBA too. There's a guy who does. Oh, yeah. Yes. That's fun. I also like there's a guy who does like cornerbacks when.

and it's just like those forms of like them complaining about the county that they obviously that's pretty good you know the NFL YouTube account

like the NFL media doesn't really show negative stuff so they have to like be positive but the downside of that is the only thing I've ever really wanted

from the NFL YouTube account is I just want an hour long compilation of cornerbacks celebrating a pass breakup without realizing the flag has been thrown and like the flag is behind them

and they don't know yet and like the teammate has to come home. And then they're just crest fallen when they see the flag. Yeah. And I just, I just, I, that is my favorite thing that happens.

It happened to Trayvon Diggs last night. I think he got up, did like the, it's the funniest thing. My favorite one is, is quarterbacks celebrating incompletions when the pass was like 12 feet over the receiver's head. And there's like no chance.

Or they dropped it. Oh my God. Or just when it's underthrown and they bat it down. And you're like, dude, you got burned. Okay. I got it,

ooh, do you guys want one vaguely? kind of tricking me. Vaguely related to the weather or about a pinnacle of humor. Probably the latter. Also, Craig did not do the showdown time announcement yet, just FYI.

Oh yeah, Craig, do the, do the thing. Pat Frymermooth. You might have been forgotten because we started talking about YouTube. It is the Patty Fries. Showdown time. Pittsburgh, baby. Let's do it.

Got the towel. I want the terrible towel going. You said patty fries. Oh, my God. I just wanted cheeseburger. This is from Sam. What is the deepest hole? Christ.

As in what is the deepest hole that humans have done? Are we talking about miles? How, what are we talking here? I suppose you can use whatever unit of measurement you'd like, but miles is what I'm most comfortable with. If they drill down into the Earth's core for an experiment, is that count as a hole being dug? I have to imagine that would be a hole.

I don't think that's happened, Craig. Well, you know when they drill down to like those like lakes that are like miles below the earth's surface and extract the water? Like that counts as digging a hole, right? Yes. Yes. You know that like 15 years ago, Aaron, Eckhart actually had to lead an expedition to the center of the earth and drop some dukes in the center to save the solar.

You guys never saw that, the core? Did they dig a hole to China? Did they just keep going? No, they went to the center. Yeah, but did they just keep going? I just watched a TikTok about this lake that's under Antarctica, and it's a freshwater lake that is not frozen because of the pressure, and it's like miles below the surface of Antarctica. And they drilled down and they got water from it. How silly would you feel if that wasn't real?

I think it was real It was on TikTok If it was on the internet I'm pretty sure it was real It was true All right What's the deepest hole I got to think about

How I even want to think about this Oh my gosh These again They're designed to make it So stupid And it's gonna work It's gonna work I'm going with

You want me just say it Why do I always have to go first I'm gonna go with No no way I really want to think here I really want to get like in the ballpark. I'm trying to think of how. I think that we don't, we probably don't spend enough time trying to deduce this. You want me to talk, can I talk this one out in my

process? I don't really care if you guys have been. I got the number in my head, so go for it. I know the circumference of the earth. And if I knew, if I knew math still, I would know how to figure out the diameter. The circumference is like 20 or 25,000 miles. So what does that mean the radius is? Shit. I used to know there's a very simple equation. It's like diameter is. Am I allowed to Google that? No, okay. So that should be... I think that we're going a little too far on the deduction here.

Just throw out a number. I'm going to say 700 miles. That feels high to me. That feels crazy deep. Yeah. I was going to go way less. I was going to say like 20 miles. Yeah.

My guess was 12. 700 miles down? I don't fucking know, man. It's probably going to be closer than that's Craig. Let's put up the answer from Sam. Let's pull up the answer from Yeah, you probably know

I think about 700 was way too much. The answer is Like my first stop was like two miles, three miles. Well, if we're talking about the biggest No, I'm an idiot. I'm so dumb. Like that's like a ice,

like you're boring into the earth like a drill. I'm so stupid. What is it? The deepest hole in the world is the Kota super deep borehole measuring it 40,000 feet deep. So what is that?

like eight miles. 134 football fields. Holt took 20 years to drill and still isn't as deep as the hole that DK is in for his prop. That's, that's why. Hey, what the fuck. Sorry. Yeah, that's, that's, that's not me.

That's what he wrote. You said 40,000. That's 7.5 miles. Craig, you were right on. It's like 7.5 miles. Didn't you say 8? Well, you said 7.5 miles, Craig? No, I said 20.

Oh. I said my initial thought was 3 to 5, but I went with 20. Yeah, it's, I said 12. So I was closest. It's seven and a half miles. Yeah, Craig. You know I'm an idiot? Because I was thinking about how big Earth is.

And I was like, I bet we barely got there. And I started, well, yeah, when you were like how long the Earth is, I was like, I don't think that has anything to do with how deep you go.

I think it's... No, I don't really know why I started thinking about that. I'd let you run with it, though. That was a really bad idea. Yeah. All right, so D. D.K.'s taking Friermuth. Oh, God.

After this, it's kind of gross, honestly. What's a bummer is that we haven't seen Evan Ingram play tonight versus the Chiefs. Yeah, count yourself lucky. I'm honestly between him and Dan Arnold, but I don't want players who suck. So I'm going to go with Evan Ingram. I actually think Dan Arnold's better.

I'm going to go with Dan Arnold. I think Dan Arnold is running a route three out of every four pass plays for the Jaguars. He had eight catches for like more than 60 yards last week. It's sustainable. He's running enough routes. He's basically a receiver for the Jaguars. If you really need a tight end,

Dan Arnold's a really solid option. The other one I want to show out is Foster Moreau for the Raiders. shout out Peter Shreger. If Darren Waller can't play Foster Moreau is a excellent streamer. You know that it's a bad week when we've recommended three Jaguars? You recommended Hyde.

D.K. and I have recommended too. I mean, D.K. was on board with Hyde. Well, I didn't really recommend Agna. I'm not on board with Hyde. Oh, yeah. If James Robinson is out, Hyde is a great, he's a great option. No, if he's out, Hyde's great for this week. My issue is that it's if he's out,

and even if Robinson is out this week, he will probably be back the week after, whereas there's like two or three other guys this week at running back who might have season long value. I've mentioned this before. I think sometimes High Fitz, you pick guys. I always assume when you do waiver ads, it's people who are desperate for somebody to play this week.

That's how I rank and prioritize my additions. Yeah, but if it's a tie, if it's a tie, I'm going to go with the guy who might help me for the next month and a half. Yeah, I agree if it's a tie. But when we're throwing out like Jared Patterson, I never think about those guys because I'm like, you need somebody this week.

I think if you're in a PPR league, Jeremy McNichols, splitting reps with Adrian Peterson, who's just been signed is just as good as an option as Carlos Hyde, even just for this week, just because he's the only guy who's been on the team. I also don't think in PPR terms, maybe that's a problem.

I think in half PPR, but so I'm not as attached to those like past catching guys. But yeah, I see what you're saying. But yeah, like, I think. Well, what are you going to, don't listen to me. I said that he drew 700 miles deep into the earth. And you like Russell Gage after zero target performance.

You're hot today. The first thing I thought of when we had this, started this discussion was like the movie Armageddon, where they're sending guys to the asteroid. 700 miles is a ridiculous guess. We're actually not spending. Hyphids. No, that's my fault because I got so caught up

and tried to do the circumference of the earth off the top of my head. Can I just say Hyphitz whenever I guess something destroys me before we even look up the answer every time? And I'm usually like still kind of close. but DK and I are just a little bit nicer so we don't do that I mean I deserve to be destroyed you can destroy me from 8-2-700

all right you guys want to go to quarterbacks yeah actually big quarterback week probably the biggest one yet or the biggest one in a while I mean Taysam Hill is probably going to be the starting quarterback for the Saints and was one of the best fantasy

quarterbacks there was last year when you were starting I saw Scott James Winston out for the year with the ACL injury Yes, right. I saw Scott Barrett tweet that last year when Taysam Hill started, he had the highest fantasy points per dropback of any quarterback in the last 10 years.

Dude, it's because he was their goal line fullback. I love that. Well, yeah, wait, is that when he was starting or not? Both. Well, High Fitz, regardless. The per dropback number is a little disingenuous because he only was dropping back to score touchdowns.

He's still average 21 fantasy points. Yeah, no, he's a really good streamer in the rushing. If he actually does, so he's been out for a while, so he's kind of been off the radar. If he does come back, what do you think, DK? Oh, he's more than a... He's more than a streamer.

Yeah, he's an absolute must-pick-up whoever you have because he, I think in all four of his starts, he was a QB-1, wasn't he? Or at least, I think he maybe was a QB-13 one week. So here's context. So he averaged 21 points a game as a starter as a quarterback last year.

That would currently make him the quarterback 10. Yeah, there you go. So if you're good on your team at every position and you have an extra spot, but you don't need anything, for this week, but you're just going to, would you rather have Tayson Hill or would you rather of Adrian Peterson? I mean, if it's a one QB league, probably Adrian Peterson. But you know what? You're not, not everyone's going to get Adrian Peterson. Hyvitz. Um, you can also put waivers in for two

different people. And I think, I think Tatea Hill. So here's a good example. Let me just throw this out there. If you've been relying on Jalen Hertz all year, which a lot of us have, probably if you're listening to this, if you've been listening to this podcast all year, good job on getting Jalen Hertz and having some really good run of QB1 games. However, as the season progresses and his passing continues to struggle, there is this chance. And I think I saw this Bo Wolf, I believe, an Eagles reporter postulated that perhaps he could get benched for Gardner Minchu before the season's over,

especially if their season, if their season continues to kind of go awry. But that's not a given, but he is a good, Taysam Hill is probably a good stash if you got Jalen Hertz. or if you have another quarterback that's just been underperforming. Maybe you have a buy this week. Maybe, you know, whatever. You had Russell Wilson. He's a good, I think he's definitely a good option to play.

We haven't actually confirmed officially, and we may not know, honestly, until the game goes, knowing the Saints. Like, if he's going to be the starter, it might be a bit of a rotation. Trevor Simeon came in and beat the goat, so you really never know, like, what they're going to do. But, I mean, I guess, like, the most obvious,

like the Occam's razor here is that it's going to be, Taysam Hill. He was in the quarterback competition all of preseason, all of the off season. So I don't know why they wouldn't go to him other than maybe they just found out he sucks or whatever. But it just seems likely that he's going to be the starter. And like we mentioned,

he's like a locked in QB1 for most weeks, just like Jalen Hurst because he can run. And he runs a lot. Okay. So James is out for the season. Tastom Hill is a high upside play, although we'll see if he actually gets the quarterback job soon. Right. Sam Darnold got hurt this week trying to be a hero.

we don't really haven't updated him quite yet. Dak Prescott missed Sunday with a calf injury, couldn't cross the threshold or whatever, corner of Mike McCarthy. Hopefully he comes back. But the other streamers, Tua, is going against the Texans,

as Craig mentioned. And then also Carson Wentz going against the Jets on Thursday, even though he's Carson Wentz. That's a good one. And then flip that around, Mike White. Yeah, you guys can start Mike White.

I want to see you guys put your money where your mouth is and start Mike White in a game this week. I think that, I mean, if you are so lucky to get Mike, throw him in there, greatest quarterback. Look,

when Tom Brady was out of here winning his first trilogy of Super Bowls, he wasn't the best fantasy quarterback. I think Mike White similarly is on a path to become, you know, the greatest quarterback's generation ahead of my home, but probably second behind Brady overall. But that doesn't mean he's going to be putting up these numbers all the time immediately.

I think that it's going to be five, six years until Mike White is like, you know, the 2007 Brady. Right now he's just like, oh one, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that timeline makes a lot of sense. By the way, we had someone on Twitter just admonish high fits for saying Babe Ruth was the guy who got, or who Wally Pipped, Wally Pipp.

How do you use that verbi Pipped? He Wally Pipped him? Wally Pipps the guy. Wally Pipped got Wally pipped. Sooner get Monson down here in the middle of nowhere. It was Lugarig, not Babe Ruth. Apologies to all you baseball purists. Was it Lou Gehrig or was he just trolling us?

I don't really follow baseball anymore. You didn't hear the news? That just happened. I feel like that had already happened when you were following baseball. Lou Gehrig started over Wally Pipp. Is that an old joke? Is this an old joke?

Yes. Yeah, I'm going to Google Wally Pipp here to make sure this guy wasn't trolling us. Well, you do that. We're streaming defenses. Another not obvious week for streaming defenses. There's a few that stand out. One, if people drop the Ravens D in your league,

they're playing the Vikings this week who looked profoundly gross to me on Sunday football. Did you guys hear Kirk's voice crack? Again. Oh, yeah. I thought it was just me. It did, right? Yeah, he did.

Oh, it did for sure. The Ravens get the dolphins and then the Bears the weeks after this. So, like, that's a pretty good batch of the Ravens. Also, the Raiders get the Giants, depending what happens with the Giants tonight. They're still the walking wounded. Daniel Jones turning the ball over left, but there's a chance. And then also, the dolphins are playing the Texans.

I don't know how I feel about it. this, but it's certainly possible. Like, the dolphins still have these weird blitzes. Like, it's certainly possible. I mean, they had a really long streak with the turnover and a lot of return touchdowns. I know the defense isn't the same, but anything else stayed out to you, Craig? No, my big one was the Raiders,

who are only 10% rostered and they have PFF's number one graded pass rush and they caught up against the Giants who's one of the worst in the league. I noticed. Yeah, the Raiders were probably the one. DK, do you have the Wallyupip report? I perused the Wikipedia

report and it is Lou Gehrig. Yes. Okay. For the people who stuck around, should we give them the bonus trivia from the receiver round or is that cheap in the exercise? No, let's do it. Sure.

Let's do it. The weather one? Okay. It's not really weird. Trivia showdown. We got to get some shit. This is a bonus showdown, time. No, I don't, we don't do the yell

unless it's for a, there's no showdown. It's not pandering. We're not pandering. We're not pandering to people that love that. How many times has Al Roker said on the today's show, the phrase, that's what's going on around the country. here's what's happening in your neck of the woods. Wow.

An iconic phrase. That's incredible. So I'm just going to just for the great, I wanted all three of us to like get this right. Al Roker's been the Today Show for 30 years. Is that, like it's that long, right? I don't, I mean, I don't know. It could be 20, 30, 15. I'm not positive.

I think it's like 25 years. And I think the day shows on four times a week or five. I think it's five, right? I think it's five times a week. So it's five, so it's five times 25. I think he says it twice an episode, doesn't he? Today shows like four hours. Craig's rubbing his eyes.

So I have no fucking clue. 25 years at five times a week times 52. I got to be honest, hi fits. I don't think it's fun to just sit here and try to do the math and get close. How is that fun for the people at home? Yeah, yeah. I'm going to go ahead and agree with that one. All right.

then what's your fucking answer? I'm getting it right. What's your fucking answer? I'm going to be right right now. 13,000. I was going to say 50,000. I'm going 13,000. I think what's the real Marvel here

is that somebody knows this answer. That's a good point. Must be regimented. God. I'll do 35,000. If you guys beat me after this, after I thought about it so much, and you made fun of me

for thinking I'm going to feel really stupid. God, he's been at NBC for 40 years. The answer is 3,000. 800 times. It's not very much. None of us were even close. I have a good trivia question for you guys.

This is from Peter. And this is probably a little bit outdated because I think I wrote this down like literally about a year ago, but regardless, more people have been to space 553 than the number of people who have climbed K2, 367 at time

of trivia. So maybe a few more now. We'll see. Wow. K2 is basically the most dangerous mountain of all to climb, proving fatal to around 23% of all sense, which is, God, that's been crazy. How tall in feet is K2, the mountain? I just can't believe it's literally,

I wouldn't say easier, but you know what I mean? Yeah, it's... 33,000 feet. It just interrupts great. Oh my God, classic. How high is it? Sorry, that's just like Interrupting Cal

But this, wait, but this isn't Everest a taller man? Yes, good deduction, Craig. Not, but they're close enough that K2's taller than Everest two months a year or something like that. What? I know.

K2 is technically tall than Everest for a portion of each year. So we're guessing, are we guessing that number? How does that work? Snow? I don't know. It's the earth. man. I don't find a lot of scientists. Are we talking like tides? Like the moon? All I know is that K2 is the second tallest mountain

and I think Everest is seven miles tall which I think is like 35 000 and I just guess 33 because it's a little under 35. Okay, I'm going to say 28,000. Holy fuck. It's 28,251 feet. God damn it, man. How tall is Everest?

Everest is according to this email, which of course I did not vet but whatever. Everest is 29,232. feet. Oh, wow. Let me Google it. And then according to Pete, yeah, 29.

According to Peter, only Everest is fatal to 4% of all ascents, whereas K2 is 23%. Wow. God, that's crazy. Just stay home. Don't try and climb that mountain.

No. It's not for me, man. Just pick up a different sport. If I'm going to die in a hill, it's going to be the Russell Gage Mountain. That's where I'm going to die. Oh, what a segue. God damn it.

The king of segues. joke. That's a joke. I died of the Mike Davis Hill. I know. Hyvids loves dying on Falcons Hill. D. Yeah, it just died on the Falcons. That's really what I've done. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Big not. Thank you to the Falcons. You can catch. Well, I was going to say catch me on Green Room, but it's probably listens on Tuesday, so it doesn't matter. Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you. MIA. Oh. Okay. That's a real change of pace for you.

D.K., can you name a song by MIA other than paper planes? because I can't. I don't think, I don't know, I can't name it. I know of a song that I like. Oh, that is not. I have a good question for Craig, though. What's up? Do you think paper planes has,

I think it's in the running for the highest approval rating of a song for people in their 20s and 30s? Well, I think the reason why is because it was the song for the Pineapple Express trailer. So good. It was also on, it was also from, uh, shit, what's the, the movie about the guy on Jeopardy in India? Not Jeopardy. Who wants to be a millionaire?

Slumdog Million. A great movie that isn't on anymore, but like I love that. Slumdog. It's all right. Good movie. It's all right. I don't know. I don't think it was, I think it won best picture and I kind of think if you look

back and read it to those Oscars. I don't think it would get it again. Craig, a good song by MIA. I just looked it up so I didn't think of it, but double bubble trouble. And I remember hearing the song back in the day. And thinking, ooh, this would be a really good song like Paper Plains on a movie, or on a movie trailer. It's like just like a good beat. Get you jacked. Get you all pumped up. And then I did hear it on a movie trailer. And I don't remember the movie trailer, but it was cool. Paper Plains is a

TikTok song that was made 10 years too early, honestly. That is the truest thing I've ever heard. Yeah. People even make songs now for TikTok and they admit it openly. They're like, I make songs that have like 20 minute loops that you can just play and dance to, end quote. Yeah, paper planes would have been great for that. That's what this podcast is. We just talk about K2 and we just wait for people on TikTok to just use it. Goodbye, everyone.