The Ringer NFL Show - NFL Draft Day 2 Reactions: WR Hits and Misses, the Tepper Tantrum, and Biggest Steals

Episode Date: April 27, 2024

The guys are back to discuss their most significant takeaways from Day 2 of the NFL Draft including Panthers owner David Tepper’s hatred of hats, an early wide receiver run at the top of the second round, CB Cooper DeJean falling to the Eagles, and the raw magnificence of Oreos (2:40). Check out our 2024 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Did Don Draper really buy the world of Coke? Did Tony Soprano really die? Or just order more onion rings? The finalees of our favorite shows can make us argue, make us cry, and make us crazy. From Spotify and the Ringer, I'm Andy Greenwald, and this is Stick the Landing, a new podcast where we'll be telling the story of modern TV backwards, one fade out at a time. Find Stick the Landing on Wednesdays on the prestige TV feed, on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. For your NFL Draft show, my name is Danny Hype. I am joined by Danny Kelly Benzillick and Craig.

But day two of the NFL draft has just wrapped. We are three rounds through the NFL draft. Yeah. Who are a lot of these guys? Am I right? We're in that zone now, Craig. No, really. People are like, who are these?

Who's Tip Ryman? You know what I mean? Oh, I talked to him. No, that's the one guy I talked to at the Combine. Because I said, I should name really tip. And he laughed. And he said, yes, mom named after my grandfather. and I said, did your grandfather fight in World War II?

And he said, laughed and said, of course he fought in World War II. Of course old Tipper Ryman did. Yeah. His name was Tip. That's nice. Great. There you go. Good pick, Tip Ryman.

I like the Ryman pick. He's tight and three in this class, Ben, in terms of draft order, which was very surprising. I will say, in terms of just general tight end spirit, the first three tight ends being Brock Bowers, Ben Sinit, and Tip Ryman on the nose, baby. No cool. No one here sounds cool. Couldn't spell any of these names off the dope. Just weird white guy names.

Nice. That could be any year post-World War II. Hey, Danny, do you want to know what they all have in common? Athletic? You bet your ass. Three of the most athletic tight ends we've seen. Well, I don't really know that officially with Brock Bowers. He just looks really, really athletic because he didn't test.

But Tip Ryman and Benson in it, both like nine plus when it comes to relative athletic score. So really, really athletic guys. NFL's catching on. What are the odds that we started the show with Tip Ryman? This is on you. This is the Michael Penix. I made the bet and then I cashed it. It's like the striker guy at the Super Bowl that was fake.

Okay, so also we could get in all these picks and everything. Do we want to do the David Tepper thing now or should we do it at the end? Yeah, let's start with David Tepper. You just have to get this other way. So the Panthers owner, we heard this story the other day, but David Tepper, they owned the Panthers drove by a restaurant that had a sign out front that basically was like, hey, David Tepper, let the freaking GM and coach make the picks. then the video came out

and David Teper, the Panthers owner, walks in if you haven't seen this, you have to look it up. David Tapper walks into this restaurant and basically starts talking to the hostess and the manager, looks at the manager, and just takes his hat off. I love the idea that David Teper was like, I'm not mad, I'm not bad. DK., you wear a hat a lot.

How many people have started? How many total strangers have started a conversation with you in a super friendly manner by taking off your hat? This is like one small tier below, like, slapping a man in the face. It's like, go. Going up and taking someone's hat off, that is like so I'm a rich fuck and I'm going to come up to you and do whatever I want, isn't it? There are many places in America that if you took off someone's hat who's a stranger, you're getting shot.

I have to imagine David Tepper frequently interacts with people wearing hats. Does he take all of them? Just every draft prospect of the Panthers comes in with their Panthers hat and he just walks up. Nope, not for you. Like, dude, head coaches wear hats. coaches wear hats. That's like basically part of their uniform. Is Tepper cool with that?

Is it just this guy pissed him off? I don't understand. Is that like a normal move? It's not a very normal move. I haven't ever seen that. I don't think anyone's ever... It's something that happened in billions. That's like an old guy who hates young people, asshole move.

Take off your hat. One guy one time in my life, I was going for a run. I had a backwards hat on. And I had to talk to him for some reason. He was like in my neighborhood. And he goes, turn your hat around. Oh, my God. This is a big thing.

Okay. I think it was temper. Come to figure it. Now that I'm remembering it. There are things. There's a list of things of men somewhere around 40 and 50 years old and older that they're really judge you about. Backwards hats.

Catch up on hot dogs. Like there's really random shit that shouldn't matter. That, oh, athleisure on planes, whether you wear sweatpants on planes. Oh, that's part of that. Yeah. You know what? It's the, these kids are soft nowadays. We should do the, the kids.

are soft nowadays power ranking for an episode. That'd be great. 50-year-olds are like, yeah, my 4-year-old child puts ketchup on hot dogs. Like, that's how they look at it. Anyway. I love ketchup on hot dog. It's delicious.

Why wouldn't you put a ketchup on a hot dog? Yeah, that's great. Some people are like, oh, it's because you're not American. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I thought that was the main condom it you put on it. Catch bread mustard. Anyway. Yeah.

So, David, I know this is kind of a joke, but like, the Carolina Panthers, he's the worst owner in the NFL now. I think, like, Dan Snyder's gone, and it's between Michael Bidwell, I think, for Arizona. But David Teper is, like, now the new villain. He's like, like, whatever not the main character, but I think he is the NFL's villain right now. Like, he's, like, honestly, a cartoon character.

Did you see that the screenshot of him in the war room after they took Jonathan Brooks? Where it's just like, everybody's celebrating off of one side, and he's just sitting there by himself and the other side looking at his computer screen. And it's probably a reason for that, but it just gives such horrendous vibes. Literally, everyone behind him is like hugging and high-fiving

and clapping, like, patting each other on the back. He's like Squidward, looking out the window. Not a single hat in that photo. True. All right. There is nothing that the Panthers do where I'm like, this might be good. I think everything they do is bad.

Just because it's just fruit from a poison tree. I love Xavier Legate. I think he's a perfect fit for their offense. I don't think he's going to work out. I'm so proud of it. Corrupting presence on the Carolina Panthers team. I totally agree. I also one more time, I know that I don't want to belabor this,

but one more time, I want you to actually have, imagine like everyone listening, you three, actually, like, picture walking into a restaurant and seeing the man and just taking their hat off their head to start the car. Like, picture doing that. It is actually crazy. It is disconnected from reality to do that to another person. D.K., they took your guy, the running back, Jonathan Brooks.

That's the guy you liked, right? Yeah, I like him a lot. He was my RV2. That was your tape purge guy. No, I like Trey Benson, who went to the Cardinals. Oh, is Trey Benson. Great landing spot for my guy, Trey, by the way. I really like that once

it's a good trace box Once James Connor ends up not being on the team anymore That's probably not this year But the year after Trey Benson show baby While we're talking about owners too Also wait just the Jonathan Brooks thing

Jerry Jones gave a press conference This morning on Friday Oh my gosh And Jerry Jones This is the most unbelievable thing I've ever said Like Jerry Jones is losing it It's a press conference

Jerry Jones, his son Stephen Mike McCarthy's there And then Will McClay who's basically like their GM But Jerry gets to make the picks And it's before them And he's asked about Jonathan Brooks the running back into Texas,

who has not been drafted at this point. And Jerry Jones, like, Jonathan Brooks gave the best pre-draft interview. I've seen it 30 years. He is very, very, very high on our board. And his son is literally elbowing him to shut the fuck up, grandpa. Shut the fuck up. He literally was like, Dad, shut the fuck up, man.

We haven't picked him yet. And then they didn't get him because the banthers traded up to go get Brooks. Incredible. Do you remember the end of Ocean 13? I think it's like the climaxes. You find out that they built like a fake casino room and they're actually putting that on the camera

so you think they're in the real casino where they're actually in this like set they built. Do you think they could just put Jerry in kind of a fake room? And give them a phone that's not plugged in. It's like the Bellagio logos on the vault, but instead it's the Dallas Star or whatever. Oh, like fake reporters.

We're like a year away from us being able to do that with Jerry. I mean, he's scribbling on the note. Pat, like, we're really close right now. Oh, my God. We're a year away from me, but it didn't do that. That's the best idea. But the end of the story, the end of this story arc, by the way, is, obviously, Jerry let's spill that they really wanted Jonathan Brooks.

They had him high, high, high, high, on their draft board. He's also saying it like it's past tense. He's like, yeah, like, he was super high on our board. Like, we really loved him. And it's like, yeah. And you still can. Anyway, so then the Panthers took him at the 14th, the second round.

And then now, after the day two is over, Jerry Jones is like, we're still really looking at, you know, reuniting with Zeke. This is a tough 24-hour date. Or this is a tough, a tough, like 12-hour period for.

I would have done anything if he was like, and we really like Zeke. We're a huge fans of him. We're really high on him. Like, yeah, you employed him for almost a decade. It's the only name he can remember at the running back position. What? There is something also about Dallas

Big America's team and Dallas being run by this like old guy. I don't know. There's too many, too many things. There's too many parallels. I don't like this. Anyway, get other players. All right, there was a lot of wide receivers.

Came out firing. Oh, yeah. Just run through these to start. The Buffalo Bill's took Soak, your guy. Keon Coleman. Go Bill. State. Nay, Michigan State.

Do you want to run through like the five big ones and then have D.K. and Ben kind of rank their favorite fits? I do. I do. So, those took Solex beloved Keon Coleman and then the charges traded up

and took Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, I mean, the Ladd for Harbaugh, incredible. The Patriots took Jalen Polk at a Washington. The Colts went up, well,

the Colts just took A.D. Mitchell out of Texas. Your Steelers, Craig, took Roman Wilson at a Michigan, who I love. Michigan, man. Ooh. None of the Starves

who were traded. T. Higgins, Debo Samuel, Brandon, Ucler, stayed put. But the Bengals did take Germain Burton at Alabama.

And Malachi Corley to the Jets. Yes, and Malachi Corley to the Jets. So like, which of those is your favorite? Jalen McMillan to the Bucks. I was just saying that one because you didn't say that one. I do think Keon Coleman to the Bill is a really good spot. Now, Bill's fans have talked about, and Bill's meat has talked about it appropriately.

So the fact that Allen typically doesn't really like throwing to contested catch receivers. Alan likes to like their whole thing when they like went and got digs was like, we need to get a separator, right? We need a guy who creates space and Alan will trust him and he'll see it and he'll throw it to him. And that there's absolutely veracity to that. And they've also brought up the poor Keon and Coleman contested catch numbers, right? Oh, and his history, like he's a big target doesn't separate. He's bad and contested catch.

We talked about that on our show. I think a lot of that is because he's got thrown ridiculous past attempts that he shouldn't have been, even had a contested catch registered for because Jordan Travis is just throwing him backwards into a hit and an uncatchable wall, so and so forth. I like his ability in the air. I think he's good in contested catch. that the fit with Alan is like, all right, like Alan back in the day, might need it a separator, but now it's time to grow up a little bit.

Alan's a veteran quarterback. Now it's like, okay, like we want to be able to build out of this receiver room to do a lot of different things successfully. And they've really been in need of for a while now, a big target, a ball winner, a physical receiver. They've just been built a lot more for speed. And they've done this like Isaiah McKenzie, Khalil Shakir, you know, rotation, Deonti Hardy, even look at all these like smaller, shorter speed guys.

And now it's important to have a dude who just wins, one-on-one in the tight areas. Like that is the thing that most good wide receiver courts have. They haven't had it. They were hoping Gabe Davis would grow up to be his size. He never really did. Keon Coleman is the solution to that problem. This is a middle-of-the-field stick mover, right?

And okay, like, Curtis Samuel is going to be downfield for us. Like, maybe they'll go find some more speed later or whatever. But, like, in terms of the 10-to-19-yard area of the field and just being able to chunk your way down the field, using a player like Allen with his size to extend plays, like Keon-Colman is a really, really, really good fit. I think it's the ideal landing spot for Coleman. I think he can take a lot of volume for them,

which they might need him to do, depending on how the Swider's Rearroom shakes out. Yeah, this is the sort of spot where if Coleman was going to succeed in the league, he'd succeed in a spot like this. The knock on him was the speed, right? He ran a four or six. Now, they're measuring the miles per hour.

I almost had MPH during the gauntlet now. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. He was fast running the gauntlet. He was fast running all the routes of the combine. When you watch him, when I watched him, when I watched him, I had no issue with this play speed. I didn't think he was going to run a four-four

but I just, I don't, I, the, he's not slow, long speed are fictitious. Yeah, he's got long tries, he eats up ground. He had the weirdest thing should have the slowest 40-yard dash at the combat of receivers, but he was the fastest receiver running the gauntlet where he caught passes. And running routes as well, like running the routes when they, when they do the throwing drill.

So like when he moved, when he's playing football, he moves it at the necessary speed. I'm confident in that. DK, if you can't pick Keon Coleman, you have to pick one of the remaining, I don't know, seven or eight that we mentioned. Right. What's your best fit?

I think I might go with Jalen Polk. for the New England Patriots. I really like to... Good pick. Yeah, I really liked him prior to the draft. Obviously, he's kind of one of my guys. He's out of Washington. He was one of the three guys that Michael Panix

are starting to. My brother texted me saying, third best wide receiver on Washington. Way to go, Patriots. A little dig there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scott, come back on the show. F off, Scott.

No. I would quibble with that. But anyway, he is not a super flashy receiver, but he just is good at everything. He's a good route runner. He's very physical. He's very tough. He has great hands. He can run after the catch. He can get open early in his route. He can separate late. He can win at the catch point. I think he's just a really, really well-rounded receiver with a high floor. And he comes in. He's going to make tough catches over the middle of the field. He's going to be a,

like a trusted ball winner for Drake May early in his career. And the Patriots don't have a very good receiver court. In fact, they have like maybe the worst receiver core in the NFL. So him going in I think he can just like raise the raise the floor. I think like he'll be a good compliment to like tomorrow Davis in the slot. The other dude that Torres A.C.L. whose name I'm forgetting, which is not a great sign for the Patriots. Kendrick Bourne.

You know, they're going to have some good role players in this office, but I think that Jalen Polk can come in and be like their go-to guy. So I really like that pick. Obviously the the Ladd-McConkey one to the Chargers is fun, but like the fit. I don't like that offense is going to be so

run heavy. I don't really know I mean, it's just going to be Ladd-McConkie at Georgia again, which he was obviously very good. But he's great for, Lad's great for Herbert because, like, timing, separation, like you'd be where Herbert wants him to be, when he wants them to be there. I think that's a good pick.

The Polk thing also, like, Drake, talking about Josh Allen, does he throw to contested, catch guys, you know, whatever. Drake May was always, it could have been, Drake was throwing to Pop Douglas. He was going to throw him 50-50 balls. Yeah.

That's great. Drake likes to give his receiver a shot down the field. So you kind of, you got to be able to turn into the scale a little bit and say, all right, if our guy's just going to shoot, Like, we need a player like Polk who's willing, it was capable of turning a 50-50 ball to more of a 60-40 ball, right?

He's got a good catch rate, it's good elevation ability. And he did that a lot for Pennix, too. There were a lot of balls penics through that were like not that accurate, but Polk caught the ball, even though the ball is kind of not accurate. Shouts to Matt Harmon, who does reception, and he did a study of Jalen Polk, and Polk scored extremely well in all of Harmon's metrics in terms of like his success rate versus both man and zone. He was very good in both.

His ability to just, like, uncover, have a natural feel for finding. a soft spot. Teams play zone more in the NFL than man. And so obviously it helps to be good at getting open versus zone and giving your quarterback a guy to throw to. And Jaylon Polk was really good at that. And so I'm pretty bullish about Polk. Again, he's not flashy. I think he's just a good player. So I'm excited to see how that all goes. I really like that I feel like this year, this offseason, this draft, teams are surrounding their young quarterbacks with talent more than ever. and it's it's I just really I'm really happy that like these guys are going to be in positions to succeed it's like yeah I don't know it's like it's like moving to a neighborhood with like good public school system when you have a kid like it's just like smart it's just like setting them up to succeed so it's nice to see that in in round two round three man there isn't a wide receiver pick that I don't like that I don't like get like Malachi Corley gets good reps for the Jets because he's like yards are the catch stuff they don't really have right now germain burton like you know a gamble and like a guy was a really really high ceiling for a year behind T. Higgins, or you can get him in the building and see if he's actually got some of

that potential to be a legit T replacement. Roman Wilson does some similar stuff to what Deonti Johnson does in terms of like separation. Like you can give him some of the same routes, right? A little bit less than the outside, but still, like it's there. Jalen McMillan behind Chris Godwin in Tampa Bay is like a great like, you know, bring the young man up, teach him how to play like the big slot role. Like that I like every single one of these wide receiver picks to varying degrees, but I like them all.

And then the commanders took Christian McCaffrey's brother at 100. And I was like, okay, sick. Awesome. at that stage of the draft. What was that about? Yeah. Can we talk about the fact that Luke McCaffrey

went off the board before Troy Franklin. Madness. Madness. To me, this is one of the biggest receiver talking points. Obviously, you know,

in the fantasy world, Troy Franklin, not going off in the first 100 picks. Is it kind of a big shock? You do the background on true Franklin again? We didn't call him flat Stanley, but he's the one who's like 16, 170. He's very skinny,

he's very skinny, slight frame, but he's really twitchy movement. At Oregon. Oregon. And all his production metrics are extremely, extremely strong. You know, like from an analogal point of view, he was one of the top, like, five receivers in this class. But, you know, we talked about it on a previous podcast.

Hyfitz, you mentioned how in my scouting report, like doesn't play through contact very well. His hands were really iffy. Like I said, he's skinny, so he doesn't have great play strength. But you also have Shades of Jameson Williams, who was the 12th pick in the NFL draft two years ago. Right. And, again, the Shades of is sometimes not like,

I think he's as good as this guy. They just, like, stylistically are similar. I think he, I think Franklin is probably going to be like a, you know, deep, like a field stretching deep threat who's probably going to be a little bit volatile in the NFL. But I still think it's, like, very shocking that no team wanted to take him in the first 100 picks. So many receivers are off the board. Generally speaking, I think that a lot of the times that there are players that drop 50

spots or 60 spots from like a consensus thing. It's either an injury we don't know about or an off field. Right. concern that we don't know about. That is like often like kind of where it comes down to. Right. So we'll see if we if we hear anything about that. But I think to me the most that that guy, I had him 39 on my board.

And I know that he was up there in all the consensus like big boards or whatever. And he, so he I'd say was probably the biggest faller of any player. You know what's fun to see is I like looking at the depth charts after the draft and seeing where like ESPN or hour lads or whatever website you're on like where they put them in the pecking order? Wait, does Aralads have anything special for Ladd-Baconke? There's a guy named Lad on Aralads now.

That's kind of incredible. Oh, that's funny. It's like Marvin Harrison Jr. for Arizona, he's the number one guy in the list. Adonai Mitchell for the Colts, he's third after Josh Downs and Michael Pittman. Roman Wilson's fourth, like Brian Thomas, they slaughtered him at second behind Christian Kirk. I like that they're making calls in the depth chart. They're kind of predicting what you think they're going to land. Just an intern in the Arlads offices being like, yeah, Brian Thomas isn't breaking the starting roster.

Don't worry about it. That's like kind of what's happening. They're like, Keon Coleman, we'll put him at two. We'll put him at two. No, I mean, you know, obviously,

I don't know exactly how RLads is run, but they track the depth charts very, very closely. This is a former scout who runs the website. Arlads Cokes.

Yeah. So I think they're very well informed. They're not going to be like perfect in terms of figuring out the depth chart, but they're not just making stuff up either. The other one I want to talk about is Roman Wilson going to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I love that one.

That's my favorite fit. If I can't draft from, you know, Our Ladd's McConkey. We should just call him Our Ladd McConkey. Steelers went like good character dudes, like dogs, like total 180. You know, just like grinders. Steel is one of my favorite drafts without question of the first day. Yeah. Same.

Same. So I love Roman Wilson. I was captivated to them when we were at the senior ball. He, Jaden Reed was the first time I went to the senior bowl. Jaden Reed a couple years ago was the guy. And Roman Wilson wasn't as dominant, but he was clearly among the receivers. I thought Roman Wilson was like for a first. professional, which as Dicke, you said, that's what we're looking for is professionals.

And Roman Wilson, though, also had the craziest story. Craig, I don't know if you saw this, but I don't remember a story. Roman Wilson is the guy, I think I talked to this a couple months ago. Roman Wilson commuted between islands in Hawaii to go to high school. Like every morning, he would get up at four, take a 6 a.m. flight from between Maui and Oahu and fly and then land in the airport, then get on a public bus, and get on a bus, and then walk to school, just to be 20 minutes late for his first period. Go through school, go to football practice, then go back to the fucking airport to get home at 9 o'clock at night

and then get up again at 4 in the morning. This kid has been a profession, like that's how bad. He did that for like six weeks. Then he was like, it's just going to be easier to not live with my family. And he lived with other families to go to. And I'm like,

it sucks that you have to, that kind of adversity kids have to go through. He literally described it. I asked about it. said that shit was ass. That was a man of great rhetoric. Well said. But he basically was,

yeah, he basically was like that made me grow up and he basically said he had professional habits. And he said stuff I've never heard receivers say. He said, I was never that good at running routes or catching balls. He says, but I got good at it.

I kind of love that. And there's the best route run at the senior ball. Yeah, he was one of the better players of the senior ball overall. he if you look at he was the go-to guy for the Michigan offense again it wasn't very pass heavy but

38 out of his 48 catches last year were either first downs or touchdowns so like every time like almost every time he was catching the ball was like really high impact play when I see this guy I think about Heinz Ward like that's like like it's not quite the physical blocker

like I know that Heinzberg is kind of like what George Pickens kind of wishes he was seen as like I'd word actually was that guy but like, like, I think Roman Wilson, like, think about all the other Steelers receivers. Like, Mortavis Bryant being suspended, Antonio Brown being a mess. All these guys. Like, Roman Wilson will be a captain for the Steelers. This kind of tracks with, uh, I actually heard Dane Bruegler say this before the draft that the Steelers are kind of sick of taking these, uh, you know, like kind of hard.

Yeah, the more risky guys that didn't have massive interpersonal issues all the time. Like I'm saying, Mike Thomas is scrolling through the hashtag CTSBN from Antonio Brown and he's like, I mean, and they just traded away Deontay Johnson, who is, you know, not reliable, not super reliable. Well, they still have pickings, so it's not quite over yet. But maybe just one diva on the team is enough. The Bill Simmons rule, you can't have two because then they hang out together. That's right. It's funny because, like, I would say they're moving on from, like, knuckleheads, parentheses, bad,

and they're moving towards knucklehead parentheses good. Like, Zach Fraser, the center out of West Virginia, absolutely a knucklehead, without question, right? just a man full of hate at the center of the mountaineer's offensive line, just trying to hurt some other people for money. Like just like just like just, like just is all about what he does. Just absolutely a duck head without question. But like in a good way,

like he's oriented towards, you know, helping the team and that, okay. So we're going to still look for some of those, those stealer guys, right? A little little,

what's the little, SHIT in their neck, right? That's the saying, right, D.K. He's got some shit in his neck. Yeah.

They could barely get a hold of Zach. Fraser because he lives in West Virginia and he had like terrible service and they like could hardly get him on the phone. Go ahead. Stock up. That sort of story is like, okay. So when he has a Hall of Fame bus, like that's how we'll start it. Start on the right foot.

Yeah, they couldn't reach him because he was in his log cabin. It's an unbelievable. Yeah, he was out of chopping wood. He's like, you know the scene with like Captain America like rips the wood apart instead of like chopping it with an axe? He's like out there doing that. Stack free. Also, I love that he went to West Virginia because West Virginia.

when they play Pittsburgh, their thing is eat shit pit. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. They don't like each other. Half the Steelers fan base went to Pitt, but the 10th also went to West Virginia,

so it's kind of funny. All right. While we're here, what do we think of the Colts in Adi Mitchell? The Colts getting Eddie Mitchell, he fell. There's a lot of, Eddie Mitchell's just a bizarre prospect in a lot of ways. We thought the Steelers would go with him because he seems to be mercurial,

to say the least, but also, like on the field, off the field, everything about him. like Mercurial stat lines like 11 touchdowns but like 750 yards like a lot of batten They have Michael Pittman they have Josh down to the slot Feels like Eddie Mitchell's replacing oh Pierce You guys excited about this or it's kind of like whatever? I think I'm excited for Anthony Richardson I don't think I'm excited that for AD Mitchell and in when I look at this I'm like oh I'm not gonna be super excited about drafting 80 Mitchell and fantasy or anything like that

Yeah, but I think a big really fast, guy who can win at the catchpoint, guy who can get deep, guy who can get open. I think he's a really shifty route runner. There's, which we've talked about the whole time. Like there's a lot of question marks about his production profile and all that. But this is a big, very fast ball winner, guy who's like really competitive at the catch point, all that stuff. I think it's going to be good. This is going to be really good for Anthony Richardson.

I think Richardson is the type of player who's willing to throw it up down the sideline for him too. And it has accuracy. So all in all, I think it's a good pick for the Colts. But I'm not going to be super excited about drafting Eddie Mitchell and fantasy or anything like that. The Colts are just a bunch of big MFers. I mean, Anthony Richardson's huge. Jonathan Taylor's tall. Pittman's massive.

Alarred, baby. Chris Ballard is a type. Yeah. Chris Ballard's known as one of the most. Galani Woods. One of the most, yeah, like measurable oriented drafters, right? Like the Colts beat can usually like identify, hey, like, this is who's actually on their board and who isn't just based off of like who are the big fellas? Ballard, man, going hard on the painting for Eddie Mitchell on the.

on the, you know, off-field stuff, people have all actual concerns about him. Which honestly, like, as a guy who thought AD Mitchell was going to fall because off-field concerns and heard about some of those concerns and said that on pods, I've, like, 100% agree with them, right? So we're here, like, prognosticating the draft. And I'm saying, like, oh, I think 80 Mitchell's going to, like, you know, maybe not have some guys, he's off some teams boards. And if anybody asks me, like, oh, what's the issue?

I'd think, I don't know. And I don't know how real it is. And I, nobody will say, like, oh, like, on a scale of, like, one to 10, how illegal is, like, people just say, like, oh, red flag. And, like, that's terrible. It puts a bunch of stuff into a bucket that they aren't in the same bucket. And so I agree with Ballard on that. And I think, yeah, this is good for Aidy Mitchell in terms of the fit.

And also, like, clearly how much Ballard believes in the guy. Also, they have all these big guys and then Josh Downs just running around in the middle. Yeah, they all like a basketball team. That was the receiver run. And it's the second round began with this receiver run. But they're also, the second round became a giant defensive tackle quarterback run. 14 of the 32 picks. So almost half the second round

was just defensive tackles and cornerbacks. Wow. But seven defensive tackles, seven quarterbacks, DK. Why do you think that is? And I know it's two different positions, probably two different answers.

There's all the offensive players went in the first round. I know, I was going to say, I guess that's it, yeah. Can we do Occam's Razor again? It's because all the Occamps players went in the first round. And then I guess teams are like, oh, I guess we should take some defensive players now.

Oh, well, it was easy. But I mean, it does tell you, like, this is something we talked about the entire draft period is like this is a top heavy offense class and it was like orders of magnitude way more top heavy than we even thought in terms of of offensive players like 14 straight offensive players to start the draft but double like more than double the last time that ever happened

or whatever and so yeah I think that's probably part of it and I think that's just like the way sometimes the draft boards fall is you know there's a lot of guys in that area that are or quote unquote, like second round type players, especially defensive tackles, a lot of good cornerbacks, a lot of cornerbacks that have one or two question marks about them, whether it's size, ball production, instincts, speed.

Like, Kamari Lasseter from Georgia, who I really liked his tape, really intriguing player, really, really instinctive in zone, but he ran really slow at his pro day. And so that was a reason teams were like not going to take him in the first round. So I think you see that with a lot of the players in this range. Kool-Aid McKinstree,

there was some, he had a Jones fracture that was discovered at the combine, so that might have caused him to fall into day two. So you just go down the list. A lot of these guys are just not quite complete prospects, really high upside defensive tackles, but there's just something not quite there to make them a quote unquote first round player. We should probably get to the splashiest DB taken in the draft today.

Ben, you want to talk about that? Dejean. Yeah. I won in Cooper's Gena at 22. I get Cooper to Gina at 40. Howie season. That's what they're saying. That's what the streets are saying.

That's what I'm hearing. Sources. It's buzzing. Yeah, the streets are buzzing right now. In terms of just like sticker value, are the Eagles the best drafting team in the league? Just like based on how you feel the day after the draft? They're up there for sure.

There's other teams that I think drafts really well relative to consensus boards. And it's worth noting, I think that like five or ten years ago, you would have said no, like the Eagles weren't closed. It was like a more recent thing for them where they just kind of stick to more like consensus boards. And it's also like, I think part of that reason is because they used to have a lot of actual scouts in the building as like their number two and the number three GM. A lot of those guys, Joe Douglas, Andy White all those guys have left for other jobs. And now they're a lot more nerds.

And so I think that they just do a lot more of the consensus stuff as opposed to, you know, really like a belief with their chest and some of their traditional scouting approaches. So it's important to note like, you know, I always say like, oh, you know, Go Birds, whatever, how always wins the draft. Like last year we said this and then, you know, like Nolan Smith did not really contribute to the team, right? Like Jaylon Carter faded down the stretch. Matt Patricia contributed to the team. That was the problem.

I loved like the Keely Ringo pick in the fourth round. I had a great grade in him. Kiley didn't break the starting lineup, right? So it's not that the Eagles have elite drafts and they just go around and like those rookies immediately contribute. But really what you think about is like, okay, they had two corners. who were approaching 30 slash over 30 and Darius Lay and James Bradbury.

So, like, they are able to draft key the ring going round four. They also traded for Isaiah Rogers, the Colts corner who got suspended for a year for gambling. He didn't play for them at all last season, but now he's back this season. And then they're able to get Quinnian Mitchell in round one. And they're also willing to trade up for Cooperaging

round two, despite the fact they got Queenie Mitchell in round one, which is all just Rosemitt approaching the draft from like an expected value perspective and saying the most likely way I get a good corner is if I just take three, four dice rolls over the course of two drafts at corner. And then I let the dice fall as they do.

And if it's Quinnian who wins the job or Dijin or Keeley or whoever, someone's going to, like, but I'm a lot more likely to get one starting corner out of this group because I take a lot of swings at the bat. So that's the thing is it's the intelligence with which they approach the draft, less so the fact that they get these splashing names that makes me believe Rosen is a good drafter. With that said, white Ramsey, baby.

White. So like being humble and like talking about like this from a, a removed analyst hat makes me actually angrier. Yeah, it's way more fun to text you and be like, go birds! Then get on your podcast and be like, here's a lucid thought.

I'm going to put on my Giants fit hat. This fucking sucks. I fucking hate the Eagles. I cannot fucking believe this. They got Quinean Mitchell at 22. They got Cooper de Gene at 40. How the fuck did 39 picks go by in Cooper to Jean? Your boy Malik's got to be locked up.

Unbe fucking leaveable. The Eagles got, I don't even do anything at his rookie. whatever. They got Jalen Carter the best player in the last year's draft maybe at the eighth fucking pick. Then they got Nolan Smith who they might have taken if Jalen Carter was gone at like 29.

Then next year they get the two cornerbacks in the cornerback draft. Like it's so, oh my God. Hi Fitz. Did you see the quote when they asked Malik neighbors about what he thought of Daniel Jones? He was like, uh, uh, Daniel Jones? He called him Daniel Jones. He's like,

uh, Daniel Don't know. I guess I'll wait and see what he's like when he's actually throwing to me. But he could have easily been like, great player, excited to get out there with him. He's done a lot of good things. You know, playoff win. He's like, I don't know.

I guess I'll see. Well, on one hand, he called him Janiel Dones and doesn't, didn't endorse him. On the other hand, we didn't talk about this. Malik neighbors, no case on his phone. Oh. Oh, I love that. I like that.

Talk to the third person. No case on his phone. And he mispronounces things. And he has no idea what Daniel Jones names in, which is stock up. That's so sick. Yes. He's just out there to go fast. You know?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The receiver version of log cab is not knowing your quarterback's name, having no case of your phone. Talking in the third person. Malik Davis was just already mad. He hasn't got on the ball yet. There's no practices yet, Malik. So sick.

Where's my target? I got to check the depth chart. Did they put Malik at number one? Also, he took number one on the, he's going to wear number one, I believe. I feel like. They did. Farmore League depth charts for Craig is like astrology. Right?

It's like, Craig's like, where did you lay it on the depth chart? Like, oh, you're a rising three. You're a rising three. You broke into the first column. I feel bad for Darius Slayton. He's had a fine career. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Darius Slate is the Kirk Cousins of receivers who's like,

like, why do I keep leading this team in yards and like no one wants me back? He's not good enough to be a bride. He's so unappreciated. I'm sorry. He's the best friend in the rom-com. That's who he's meant to be. The best thing is that Darius Clayton was in college. It wasn't like he was dominant at Louisiana Tech.

He was this exact thing at Auburn. He was like Auburn's second best receiver his entire college career. Went to the Giants. It became a pro second best receiver for the entire career. Some people are better as character actors and it wouldn't work if they were leads. He's a that guy. That's fine. Yeah, he's Philip Baker Hall.

Great career. Maybe that's insulting to Philip Baker Hall. You can't name of that guy. What's he from? He's the guy from what? I mean, he's, boogie nights. Have you seen boogie nights? Magnolia?

Heart 8. Which guy is he in that? I've never seen heart 8. I didn't know he's in that. I'm just going to be neat. I'm looking up. He would recognize his face. That's what I was trying to say.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that guy. That's his name. That guy. Philip Baker Hall? Oh, my God. He isn't everything. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Wow. He died like last year. I remember. Wow. All right. It's weird to think he's a name. It's like senior teacher in school.

Yeah, he wasn't Seinfeld. He's like the guy who's super angry at Fierry. He's like the librarian, I think. And he's like, you think you can just check it books out and not return them? So you got another thing coming. He honestly gave him tepard Seinfeld a little bit. Oh my God. He like basically took his hat off and was like, listen to me, Buster.

You need to return your books on time. His kids don't respect books. David Teper, I did, David Teper. The other one, speaking of they can't keep getting away with this. The Eagles, the Eagles is truly they can't keep getting away with this. The other one, dude, I, the chiefs, I'm not going to lie, I think are coming up with the funniest draft I've ever seen. Where the Kansas City Chiefs, not only do they convince the Buffalo Bills who traded down with them to give them Patrick Mahomes five years ago, or whatever long it was. I can't keep track of time.

I don't fucking know. And then the bills deliver Xavier Worthy, the fastest player in the draft. to the Chiefs on day one. Day two, the Chiefs only needed two things. They needed a receiver and they needed an offensive tackle. They got the receiver day one. Today, the Chiefs trade up one spot with the San Francisco 49ers. So the Niners can give them Kingsley Suamataya the tackle at a BYU,

who was incredibly raw, but like incredibly talented, ultimate like, eye of the beholder player. Like there was biggest gap of any player in the entire league, I believe on like public boards was there was like an 80 spot gap because it's just like he has all the physical tools in the world you could want and like the Niners lost to the Chiefs of the Super Bowl and just gave them the future left tackle maybe for the like how do the chiefs keep convincing the teams that lost them in the playoffs to give them exactly what they need.

I saw a funny tweet from Hustle Chilson. The bills in 49ers trading with Kansas City is Stockholm syndrome. See, yeah. Or they're like the zombie cicadas with the SDGs. D's. Like, they've zomified them and they're just like bodies are falling off and they're helping Kansas City. I mean, but these are both high-risk picks, right? I mean, Xavier Worthy weighs like 150 pounds and this, this lineman who, Hyvich, you did a wonderful job pronouncing his last name. Like, you can't say maestro, but man, you nailed that last name.

Suamataya, how did you say it again? Yeah, it's Maestro. It's Maestro. It's Maestro, right. Suaumaishtra Taya, yeah. Craig, I saw it today that you discovered the, the Clemson defensive tackle that the Falcons talk. Exciting time. You remember his name? Yeah. How do you pronounce his last name? Do you want to give it a shot? Root O'Horhorhorro. Rook, Ahorhorhorro.

I'm happy to give it a shot. Hold on. I want to pull it up just so I can read it. Craziest name I've ever seen, I think. I'm just going to go out and say that. Rook. Yeah. It's tough. It's a Ror-R-R-R-R-Ro? Yeah. It sounds like it. A Rour-Ro. Yeah. Rook-or-Ror-R-R-R-O. Yeah.

Yeah. It's one of the best names of this class, without question. He is an interesting player. I enjoyed watching his film. I demand to be told what the Falcons are up to. I have no idea how you could possibly pick Pennix at 8. And they'd be like, you know what we need to do in the second round is aggressively trade up for like a developmental defensive tackle in the top 40.

What are we talking about? They gave up a third round pick to get a guy who's going to follow them. It's the only part of their defensive roster that's like decent is defensive tackle and safety. How is this where you're investing? They got Bernie in the Tristan on the third round. I understand that. But still, Falcons draft is weird, man. I saw someone, I can't remember who tweeted it, but it was, uh, Pennix and Rook are the two biggest reaches, according to the consensus board that this person was referencing.

That was Austin. It was Austin tweeted. Was that? Oh, okay. It was Austin tweeted it using a Reeves consensus board. Yeah. Got it. So the two biggest reaches in the trash so far, according to the... Ben's just going to town right now on a Starburst. What is that, dude? You're unwrapping that. We hear everything.

Is there a call the rap? What is that? It's the most crinkly noise. You put it up to your mouth in front of the microphone. What the fuck is that, man? Oh, no, because I'm on this microphone right now. I'm not on this microphone. I'm not on this microphone. I was at least for the video call. And I was doing it right next to that microphone. I didn't realize it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lous. Okay. It's a lot of a little bit of a tough time. is 12.30. I stayed up all night last night writing. I'm not feeling great, sweetie.

You're going to put a lozance in your mouth during the show? I was going to try it and see how it went. I ate starbursts during last night's show. All right, well, I'm putting it down now. Ben is, I feel like lozenges is the perfect food for Ben. He can like, it helps him with his throat. There's calories. It's a little sweet. And then it's like, good call. But also he can like work while doing it. I usually have a tea with honey while I do the pot. I didn't make any today. It's tough look for me. What are you guys, I feel like Starbursts are weird because people have their favorite flavors and then people also have flavors that disgust them. I'm like, if you opened a little two-packed starbursts, what do you guys want to see? Pink.

Pink red. Pink and red, pink and red, pink and red, like orange and red. Yeah, I would eat orange yellow. Yellow is like not good. Yellow is I'll eat it, but I'm not happy. If I reach you a motley bag and I pick up an orange, I'm like, okay, whatever. If I think of a yellow, I'm like, what do we do? If you had to sub out yellow for a new.

flavor. What are you bringing into the mix? Blue. Blue. How does the flavor of blue? High five are both into blue. I don't know. Blue raspberry? Yeah. No, no, no. The idea? American culture is colors are flavors. That to me is America. Yeah. Blue is a

flavor, but starburst. Exactly. I like a grape flavored thing. I like a purple. Purple's good. I like grape too. I think a lot of people don't love artificial grade. A lot of people are down on grape. Craig and I, we get we're in on great. This is a great question. Yeah, yeah. There are maybe literally 100 new kinds of Oreos.

There are like 50 new kinds of Eminems. They're a way worse than the original. I know. Why are there still four flavors of Starbursts? They're not. They have tropical starbursts. I'm like many different sleeves. I know, but they're clearly in a separate pack.

But there's not as many. Do you buy a regular pack of Oreos? Do you open that John up and peanut butter's in there? There's like a few of them sprinkled in? I think a can just hidden? That's true. I think it's because people love the original so much that they're not going to mess with that and then they'll give you other options if you want to, you know, do something else.

You're right that they have, yeah, I guess. But I haven't seen the tropicals in forever. Like who buys you? It just hates to give up on anything. He's just, he's pushing through this. But you're right, where's blue? Where's the blue starburst? I don't know.

I don't know. You got, we got to get on the phone with. We'll figure out working on it. This is such a scintillating conversation. All right. Fuck myself. Hold on. I'm in Google Blue Starburst.

It exists. It exists. A blotius? Blue Raspberry Starburst exists. Oh, yeah. You can actually buy an entire pack dedicated only to blue raspberry stars. All right. Emails that ring your fancy football jibble.com if your thoughts on Starbursts. Or also, if you know what's up with all the Oreos and M&Ms, I think I have a reason, but like, please email us what's up with like.

I kind of want to try some new Oreos now. Yeah. Also, yeah, emails, which ones seem weird that are really, whatever Oreos, like, we should try that we haven't tried, please let us know. You know what I've always been curious about the flavor of cookies and cream. That is just Oreo flavor, correct? Yeah. Like that ice cream?

The Oreo. Yes. Yes. But you have to pay for the right to use Oreo. But right. So the Oreo came before the idea of cookies and cream ice cream. Is that correct? Right.

Yeah. I think, yeah. Craig, I don't know. Why would I know that? Right. I think like, what is the flavor of cookies and cream if not just Oreo? Like, how do you describe it? I think it is, but I think Oreo is trademarked.

Oreo, I think Oreo's got a capital letter, which means you can't use it legally. That's how the law works. But cookies and cream. Right, I was going to say, cookies and cream is probably like the, it's just the generic version of Oreos. Because, like, whenever you go and buy Reese's ice cream

at the grocery store, it's not like it just says Reese's on it. It's got like the orange logo stamped on that sucker. Like, if you wanted to use Oreo, you'd have to have the blue logo with the big O and whatever. So say just like cookies and cream, and you're just playing. putting generic chocolate

wafer cookies in there. You guys are making me want candy so fucking bad now. Oreo was invented 112 years ago, so that checks out. But I'm like, what is the flavor?

What is the flavor of an Oreo? Cookies and cream. Chocolate. What are you talking about? It's a perfect look. Like, I don't know what the flavor is. It's just like chocolate and cream,

but it's not. It's not chocolate. It's like chocolate way for cookie, basically. What is the Oreo, the outside cookie on, on an Oreo isn't quite chocolate. It's not, it's like a weird.

But like nothing else tastes like an Oreo on earth except cookies and green. And I'm like, what is that flavor? Like, you could have a million different kinds of milk chocolate, dark chocolate, and you're like, oh, it's basically a Hershey's. Nothing tastes like Oreos. It's such a specific, unique home run of a flavor for Oreo.

Ben doesn't like to eat. Kai hates flavor. I hate flavor. Seafood. You're asking. the wrong fucking podcast, pal. Craig has a challenging relationship with this exact episode because, like, it's a

day two episode of the draft. Like, we're going to have like a recap of all the things. Like, it's kind of the intermediary, like, not all the picks are made. Like, last year we're like, do we do it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, like, okay, should we do this? Can we do this Friday episode? Yes or no. So we're doing it this year. And Craig's like, all right, we're going to do it. I'm doing my 10-minute rail this.

I'll land on the on the cookies. I want I want my monologue at the end, all right? I negotiated that into my contract. I'm gonna, I'm gonna Google what flavor is Oreos. I, dude, I just Googled that. What is it? It's flavor with cocoa and artificial vanilla.

That's what it says. A bit of chocolateiness and bitterness. By the way, this weekend. I've never once experienced bitter while having a chocolate. Can I just, can I, can I, can I throw Kai under the mess real quick? Because he said the funniest thing I've ever fucking heard my life this weekend. Kai said, sweet tea, well, too bitter for me. Sorry, Kai.

And I love that right now. Kai doesn't have the ability to, like, speak based on, like, the way we're recording. Sweet tea, a little too bitter. So, Kai just has his hand tied behind his back right now, and we're just going to town, wailing on him. We're all, like, really just tired and, like, a little loopy right now. Because we were watching, we were watching Clippers Mavericks at, like, midnight,

because the East Coast is insane. And I was mentioning that Luca Don just love sweet tea. Yeah, Luca Donch just loves sweet tea And we were like joking that like that's why like he can't shave off the final 10 LBs that he need and Kai's like sweet tea They got to find out in the name It's literally called sweet tea Austin Gail said it tastes like liquid cake Your teeth hurt after you drink sweet tea

I'm not gonna lie I think Kai had regular tea and thought it was sweet tea That might be like a brisk ice tea or like one of those like Arizona ice teas have like four times the amount of sugar as like a Coca-Cola. It'll last 10,000 years. I was like, can we please get a brisk out of the vending machine? Like this is like for when I was eight, I was like, this is so good. This is living, dude.

And then like a decade later, I was like, you, I should have a brisk again. And that is motor oil that we are giving that to children. It's not a regular color. And it's not brown. It's not orange. It's nuclear. Like, what is going on? It should be illegal.

Sweet tea should be illegal. I don't like the film it leaves in your mouth after you drink it. Anyway, Kai is the fucking best, is my point. Also, isn't it weird that Oreos are vegan? Yes. I love the fact that Oreas are vegan. It's great for me. I'm fasting right now for Lent, no meat, no dairy.

I'm hammered Oreos by the sleeve full. I do love Oreos. I just, no one else has come. There's nothing else that tastes like an Oreo. It's remarkable. They nailed that flavor a hundred. 112 years ago. I'd love Oreos.

Emails the Oreos. I'm so hungry now. I need some fucking emails. Email is the good Oreo flavors. Also, if anyone here, anyone here listening. Anyone's still here? Works for Oreo or Nabisco. My God.

Send us some product. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at Jeeville.com. What I would do. Also, I have a theory on why there's so many. So many Oreo flavors? Give me it. So before I got in sports, I had one marketing internship. Candy in the aisle before checkout, it's real estate.

It's basically they have so many types of M&Ms, like there's chocolate and peanuts and peanut butter and all these. Because if they don't, if M&Ms buys all that space, nothing else can be there. So it's like, it's kind of like they're going to buy the whole block. and they don't really care if the caramel M&Ms never sell. That's just something that else, like a different product from a different company can't have that space. It's a billboard. Yes, it's a billboard for M&Ms.

They might never sell the caramel M&Ms, but the regular M ones will sell out. So that's why there's so much. And I wonder if the Oriores are the same thing. They want the whole fucking aisle to be Oreos and they don't care if, or maybe they do sell and I don't know what I'm talking about. All right. Really seriously, people email us for your fancy football at Chibald.com. I want to know whatever you got about Oreos. All right.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Salk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you again, everyone. It came out to our live show, Detroit. We really appreciate it. That was awesome. Yeah.

Thank you so much. That was so freaking cool. Thank you. We had an amazing time. Thank you. Oh, I was going to... Jack's not here. He's tweaking out.

It's almost 1 a.m. Yeah. It's no, it's one in the morning here. I don't know. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren? Thank you. Vanilla ice. Nice.

Is that because we did Eminem in the last one? And now you're just thinking of white rappers? There was Eminem and then I was thinking about the Eminem's. Yeah, Coke cream, vanilla ice, ice, baby. I might go to the store right now and buy some, like, candy. Fuck, see, that's so sick. You could do that. Vanilla ice should have had, like, a collab with Oreo and done like a vanilla ice flavor

or Oreos or something. Yeah. Even though I know they're already kind of vanilla. But yeah. There's something there. My favorite thing ever is when Craig says there's something there. There's something there. It's like the less problematic way to say you should like look into that.

Saying there's something there is like still Pete. There's something there. No one's taking that over yet. All right. Stop. Collaborate and listen. Ice is back. Wait. Oh, wait.

Actually, Sola, could you just do the whole song? And that way we won't get saved. We'll let up a stop. No. I don't know. Turn off the lights, hon. And I'll glow. To the extreme.

I rock a mic like a bandle. Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle. Dance. That's all you again. Oh, he just did it. Yeah. You guys know that Vanilla Ice's real name is Robert Winkle. Robert Van Winkle.

Robert Van Winkle, yeah. He's a big real estate sion now. Bob Van Winkle. Bob Winkle. All right. Goodbye, dude. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandle's offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC.

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