The Ringer NFL Show - NFL News Dump: Captain Diggs, Olympic Flag Football, Tush Push NOT Banned, Rodgers on Rogan, and Ripped Marvin Harrison Jr.

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

The guys recap a handful of offseason story lines around the league, including the Stefon Diggs boat situation, Brock Purdy’s massive extension, the tush push living to fight another day, the 2025 NFL schedule, and so much more. Later, emails and Heifetz’s Europe trip recap! (0:00) Intro (1:43) Stefon Diggs (6:20) Brock Purdy’s extension (10:04) The tush push lives! (23:27) Olympic flag football (30:32) NFL schedule takeaways (33:30) Aaron Rodgers on Joe Rogan (41:08) Did Caleb Williams want to play for the Vikings? (48:47) Colts owner Jim Irsay (01:14:56) Emails! (01:23:07) Heifetz’s Europe trip recap Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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subscribe, and hit us with those five-star ratings. Bringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly of Craig Kourlbeck, and I am back, baby. I'm back at a two-week vacation

in Europe, which we'll talk about... Back! I'll talk about it at the end of the show. Went to France, went to Switzerland, went to the Monaco Grand Prix. I was on a boat with Stefan Diggs.

I'll talk about all that later at the end of the show. But for right now, we're going to talk about everything that happened while I was gone. I'll admit, It felt longer than I thought, right? Like, I feel like I was gone for it.

I felt like like we've taken in a long time, I feel like. And which was only like 10 days, I think, between when these episodes are going to come out. But it felt like Hyvitz was gone for four months. I would say both, it felt like a lot of things happened in the NFL and also not that many things happened. But almost, almost nothing. And yet every day I was like, I kept writing down what I want to talk about. Got to make content out of this. It was the perfect amount of offseason content.

Like, everything that happened was really kind of classic offseason fodder. And starting. with nothing more classic offseason than this story, which is Stefan Diggs, who just a couple months ago signed a one-year deal with the Patriots for $60 million. Stefan Diggs of the Patriots, not at voluntary OTAs, and a video went around of Stefan Diggs on a boat with a few women in bikinis. You can find the video online if you want, and he has them start with him. He's like, call me big daddy.

And then whips out a plastic bag of pink powder, which according to my sources and sources being my friends who do drugs in Mexico, tell me that there's a pink powder. You can get Mexico called Tusi. Oh, that's what I logged my hours on on Spotify. Tutsi. That's, yeah, drugs you can buy in Mexico or workplace platform. That's a good.

Tusi, Slim. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, it's like, yeah. All the Steven Seagall movies are on Tusi. Check them out. They're free. Yeah.

Is it on movie or Tusi, the mix of ketamine? Movie. ecstasy and coke is that, yeah, a movie or two, see, I don't know. But yeah, so I also love they diet pink because everything needs a brand now, you know, like even drugs.

It kind of looks like maybe they were just doing gender reveal, but. Could have been pepto. Yeah, let's not jump to conclusions here. We don't know for sure. Maybe he had an upset stomach and he had a small bag of pepto. One of the replies was calm down lives,

it's drama mean. He's a little sick. Yeah. Someone else replied. It was like, wow, Lake Minutonka looking great this time of year. Also, you glossed over the fact that the women that he was talking to were not his girlfriend, Cardi B. Which is apparently a drama. Well, yeah.

So someone commented that one of the women might have been one of Cardi B's dancers. So Cardi B might have been on the boat for all we know. What was he doing wrong, D.K.? He was just talking to three women. What do you think Liz would say if you were convincing cajole, cajoling women and to call you big daddy. Was it big daddy or just daddy? Well, they call them daddy.

It's like, we're on a boat, so I'm big daddy. And they're like, okay, big daddy is actually what he said. Yeah, you know, once again, my mind immediately went to the famous, the now infamous clip of, I forget who was doing this, but it was in the Vikings locker room and they were asking all the players. Oh, Brian Robeson. Whose sister or who did you not want your sister to date? And everyone was like, oh, digs, digs.

He went like, he went like 18 of 19. Adam Thielen was like, oh, Diggs. Adam Thielen was like, that is not a man you want to bring home to your parents. Big Daddy. K.A. Big Daddy. Obviously, you're right. I would not want Liz to see me doing that. However, these athletes, these people are living different lives than us.

Sure. They may have different standards, different rules in their relationships. We don't know. Diggs has the NBA energy in the NFL. So maybe they have an Andra Kirolenko situation. You know what I mean? Also, by the way, this did make it back to Patriots head coach Mike Vrable, who was forced to comment on the situation. Great start.

Not going to voluntary. Can I read his quote? Yeah. It's a great quote. Vrable said, it's something we're aware of. And obviously, we want to make great decisions on and off the field. That's a really good politics. That's a good quote.

The most neutral response possible is it's something we're aware of. Yeah. It's something we're aware of. If we were doing the anger translator, it would have just been like, this goddamn fucking guy. Oh my God. Get your ass to OTAs, pal.

Who is the person that tweeted like something with the Jets fan who was like, Mahomes is about to win his third Super Bowl and my quarterback somewhere in a dungeon doing crap? Oh yeah, that was good. I was, I like this is old school though. I feel like, you know, Craig, you're, Rogers has to even side with the Steelers yet.

And instead of making some Netflix documentary about ayahuasca, Diggs is doing it old school. He's doing drugs on a boat with like Instagram models. Like that's old school. I love that from a receiver. Good for him. It's Diggs and it's DiCaprio. Those are the only two still doing it the 90s way. Yeah.

It's old throwback. This is the O'Dell thing didn't involve drugs, at least not explicitly. Well, the old thing was fucking like five days before the playoffs. That was a little different. You of all people would be like, get these guys off of the boat. What do we do here? The Odell thing. It was in January.

It was like six days before a playoff game that they lost. That's fair. That's fair. Oh my God. Anyway, shout out to that person who commented dang like Midsonka looking nice. That was incredible. Another thing that happened while it was gone. So Brock Purdy signed a large contract.

Five years, $265 million. This is crazy. So for context, the first three years of Brock Purdy's deal, he made $2.5 million. Total. So went from $2.5 million total to $2.6.5 million. to $265 million total. Love the 100x raise. He's now the seventh highest paid quarterback per year.

I do just want to shout out. The Brock Party contract will probably forever be the best deal in the history of the NFL, even better than the Russell Wilson because he was the last pick in the draft. He's like the lowest paid guy in the league. Even the undrafted for agents can make more money than Brock Purdy. So during the three-year period,

during the three-year period, Brock Purdy was the This is per ESPN The 76th highest paid quarterback For his first three seasons The NFL And now he's the seventh So yeah

Shout out to Purdy Who also shout out Rogers Purdy said really important For me to be here on phase one of OTAs Really wanted to get that done So yeah What do you guys make of this? Craig?

What's the vibe for all your 49er fans, friends? Are they into this? Do they like this? I would say mostly pretty happy about it I think it was something that felt necessary it obviously was going to happen. And again, so he's now the seventh highest paid quarterback.

I think in terms of percent of the total salary cut for the Niners, he's actually lower than seventh. I think it's honestly a respectable deal in terms of where things are right now. Unfortunately, the window's probably closed. It's kind of really hard to have a quarterback making that kind of money and have the best team in the league. Like it doesn't happen much. Hertz and the Eagles are honestly a more rare example of a quarterback who got that big contract.

The team is still great and they win a Super Bowl. Usually it has to happen in that window that Hyfitz was mapping out, the Russell Wilson, the Brock Purdy, when he did take him to a Super Bowl. So although the contract needed to happen, I think he's, this might be one of the biggest, like, is it the system or is it the quarterback arguments in the NFL right now? So I think just like the sticker shock of like Brock Purdy, $50 million a year sounds like a lot. But when you look at like the state of quarterback salaries and everything across the league,

I think this is honestly something that needed to happen in as a respectable deal. And the percentage thing you brought up, Craig, is important. Remember, if it's 50 sounds like a lot, it's like the NBA. It's like the numbers go up because it's a percentage of league revenue and revenue goes up. So it's the same as it always is. I haven't looked in it specifically. It's basically 16%. It's a sixth of the roster ends up going to the quarterback.

That's more or less what the math becomes. Somewhere between a sixth and an eighth. And that's kind of what Diggs was doing, too, probably. But this is one of the reasons the Niners lost so many guys was, you know, the lines. I mean, they traded Debo Samuel. They traded Jordan Mason, the running back. They traded Aaron Banks. Sorry, they lost Aaron Banks and Free Agency as a guard.

They cut. or sorry, they lost Traverius Warder Cornerback, Drey and Law linebacker, Telenow Fong, good safety. They cut Lee Collins and Argrave at defensive tackle. They cut lettered Florida defensive end. They lost like eight to ten guys in preparation for this. And they, I think the 90s of like 10

rookies that are projected to have serious playing time. So that's what this is about. His party now needs to be, you know, the guy leading the train instead of just being pulled along. And we'll see. I mean, he played really well last year. It's weird because you went from, oh, look at all these weapons around him. And then suddenly they all went away in like one fell swoop.

like McCaffrey's out and D and you know Iyuk is hurt and like everyone got hurt at the same time so it's funny we've seen all our nothing from Purdy frankly yeah but now it's like you know looking at like jaden Daniels is now the next example of like the quarterback on the rookie contract that they capitalize on and win a Super Bowl with that but with that said I think Brock Brady's good the deal needed to happen makes sense and I will say I don't think the Niners are some Super Bowl favorites or something but Super Bowl's in San Francisco this year yeah niners have the easiest schedule in the NFL that is the thing that matters a lot yeah so that's that's interesting other thing that happened was gone

push push survives yeah the touch push not banned skin of its teeth doge tried to come in and get rid of a push and it didn't work and now he on's out yeah oh my god so the so the so the push push I mean teams were quite literally butt hurt about the tush push I think that you can say that and so the have you guys seen the Can you say that? Will the woke mob come after you? Sorry, I've been listening to a lot of Aaron Rogers on Joe Rogers. Yeah, you did. You did the rogue and breath for Rogers, yeah. The woke mind virus? We'll get to that. I saw that text and it was like, you know what I'm not going to do in vacation? Listen to her. It was only three hours. So wait, well, is Rogers in

or out on germ theory? They actually didn't discuss germ theory, shockingly. They were too focused on aliens and COVID. I cannot wait to hear about the nanobots, Craig. Did you listen? to the show? Oh, I listen to the whole thing. Oh, my Lord. I put it in the work. Craig is like, what can I do when we don't have several shows a week? Oh, I'm putting in work.

I'm listening to Rogan. Starts finish on 1X. It's offseason tape. You didn't even speed it up, I bet. I have 1.1. I needed a little juice. 1.1. All right. That's fair. But I got it listening to Rogan suck on his like nicotine gummies for three hours.

It's not good audio. Anyway, they feel great, though. I'm amped up. Send him a note. All right, let's do the push push first here. So, fuck it. Should we just do a really good at Rogers? No, no.

Let's go to say it. First push is a big deal. So it is a big deal. So basically here's what happened. There's league meetings. There's four league meetings a year. It's quarterly. Like, you know, real businesses.

And they had one in March and they tabled it to the May meeting. And what that means usually is the league is going to try to strong arm and get it done. Like when they vote on something in March, it's like, yes. know, but if they're going to table it for May, that usually means the NFL's going to rewrite it and strong arm to get it done. So a lot of people who go to those league meetings really were like, this means the NFL's going to get done. And again, the drive to ban the tush push is being done by the NFL, which again, there's the league office and the 32 teams. The league office wanted it gone. Whether it's Roger Goodell, whether it's Troy Vincent, there's a lot of reporting out there that says Godell thinks it's ugly.

Troy Vincent, who's like a league executive. He thinks it's ugly. He thinks it's ugly. That's the reporting is Cadell thinks it's ugly. Oh my God. Which is just hilarious. I guess watching it is kind of ugly, literally. It's an ugly play.

But it's funny because like, and I've given the Packer's shit about wanting it banned, but I have to admit, I... Most teams want it ban or like a lot of teams. 22 voted for it, but they needed 24. I saw, I saw the Seahawks voted against it, and I was like, I was like a little embarrassed. It's embarrassing.

It's their anti-Tush. It was an ick for me. So Jerry Jones, once again, a little, too honest and said here we quote jare i'm quoting jerry jones here we are debating it and having to decide am i really against the tush push or do i just want philadelphia to not have an edge and i sit there and i mean thanks for being honest and uh in terms of why it lost well first i have to read did you guys read about like what happened in the meetings no that's just wondering jeff lupushering for an hour he did the core booker just let's see when the fucking book comes out from jeff lary on this so uh jefflery

he's the owner of the Eagles. I'm quoting from Seth Wickersham, who's going to be a recurring character in today's episode, but Seth Wickersham, who at ESPN, always has these outrageous stories in the owner's meeting and said that Jeff Lurie spoke for like almost an hour because Jeff Lurie thought that it was going to get banned.

So Lurie made, yeah, he did like a filibuster. And among the things he said, Jeff Lurie said that this was a win-win for the Eagles because either they get to keep the tush-push, or the idea that they would have a play so successful to lead band it, was, quote, like a wet dream for a teenage boy. Is that what it's like?

And which... I don't know if that's like the best analogy. And then apparently right around that point, like an hour in, the owner of the 49ers, Jed York apparently asked for a bourbon and says, how much more shit do you have to say to Jeff Lurion? It's like, wrap it up. It could have been an email.

It worked. And everybody was like, all right, if you shut up, we'll vote against it. Jesus. Shut this guy up. I was actually wondering that because prior to the meeting, the final meeting, there was all this reporting that it was going to get voted down. So I guess there's this thought that maybe he changed some people's minds. Well, so what happened was, so two things happened.

So in Brooke Priority, I was reporting this. So Jason Kelsey came in who obviously sent her whole crew at the Eagles. And there was like ideas that, you know, did Kelsey retire because of the tush push? And he came in, whether true or not, he was like bullshit. if I could run it 60 times a game. I would come back and play in the NFL. But it was funny because he spoke about why he thought the Tushpur should stay.

And the owners were like, I kind of liked hearing from the players. That was helpful, which I think is so fucking funny that the owners were like, wow, the players helped us with the rules. We shouldn't do that more. It has a good sense of what's going on out there. Yeah, I was going to say,

this is like, it reminds me of like Calvin's getting older and he's becoming more lucid. Like, you can have more, you can have more in-depth conversations with him now. I'm like, oh, Calvin actually made a pretty good point there. It's like they look at these players like they're little kids or something. I want to pose a question to you guys about the tush push. I'm in support of keeping it, obviously.

I don't know if that's obvious. I don't know how people feel about that. I think the tush push should be upheld. With that said, if one team is good at it or a few teams are good at it, I think it makes the product better. It's like, uh-oh, we're playing the Eagles, the Tush-push team. The bills are pretty good at the Tush-Push. they have the quarterbacks who can do it, these big bodies.

If every team was good at the tush-bush, like the Eagles had an 87% success rate, if every team could do that, would you then be against it? If every fourth and one was essentially a guarantee, would that hurt the sport if it was every team doing it? My personal take on it is, no, I wouldn't be against it because it means more scoring.

More scoring is good, in my opinion. Dingers. Dingers. I want to say there to sock some dingers. However, I do think that if everybody got good at it. If it's third and one, fourth one, it's basically for the entire league would be a guaranteed first down.

Would that suck? No, I don't think so. I personally like I would like it. Because again, like I said, it would mean more scoring, more offense, more plays. It's good for fantasy. Obviously, we're in that world.

I think at the same time, though, if the NFL at that point then tried to ban it, I think it would be more palatable for me because every team is good. Right now it just feels like they're just punishing the eagles for being really good at something. So to me it would be more palatable for them to be like, look, we need to, for whatever reason you want to make up, player safety, it's ugly, whatever. We want to ban this play. It's less punitive to one specific team.

I like that, actually. Because it does seem like, you know, the eagles are specifically good at it. They have these big bodies on the offensive line. Jalen Hertz is a one of one. They have it down. They have the leverage. Kyle Brant spoke to Neil DeGreggis Tyson about it. Yes.

Incredible. I was talking about the physics of it and how when you have the leverage on the ground, you know, it makes such a difference. And even that split second that the offense gets before the defense, it makes all the difference. I'm not going to pretend to be a physics person, but forces mass times acceleration and they get to go first. And so. Right. But again, and then you asked the question, well, then why aren't other teams good at it?

I would say it's because of like the size of the Eagles offensive line. Jalen hurts. Although Neander Carlisks Tyson said Jalen Hertz is like squatting ability had nothing to do with it. Because he was like, once he's getting. pushed, he's like basically in the air and it no longer matters how strong he is. But he's not in the air. He's like going low and

I know, I agree. I kind of disagree with that, but you know, I'm not going to get to an argument with me. He's kind of fucking own me on so much Instagram. I don't know.

I think he might be influenced by the media. This Instagram reel has been viewed three million times and people is fucking owning me. Yeah. Do you guys think has a defense ever tried to to like tush push the defense to stop the tush push on the office. Oh, yeah, no, it just doesn't work. That's what Nails a girl Tyson's point is about going first.

That's what was going on in the NFC championship game between the Eagles for Washington because the whole thing is if the eagle, basically the Eagles have perfected the technique, which is essential because, and that is like the bar to ride the ride is you have to get the technique right on the push. Once it's there, once you get, once you go first and you get the snap count right, you win. That's what Washington was trying to do by guessing the snap count. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, we don't care.

The only way to stop this is to time it right. We don't care if we take the seven flags in a row. That's why Frankie Louvre kept trying to jump over the goddamn thing because he was like, I don't care. But are they push pushing, like, are two linebackers pushing a defensive lineman the same way two running backs are pushing Jalen Hertz? I just don't, it's not, I don't think it will work as well because it's just not going to work as well.

You got to push back on the tush push with your own tush push. Teams have tried. Like, if you watch, they're trying to shove defensive linemen in the ass. Like, they're trying. But, like, realistically, they go. are better at. I think here's where I've landed on it. To your point, Craig. I, there's a world where this season,

a bunch of teams practice it, and then everyone gets really good at it, and suddenly short yardage is like incredible and it changes how it does. And maybe, oh, well, it was cool when the Eagles and Bills were doing it. And like, but now what everyone's doing, it's a little weird. Until we get there, I don't want to hear anything. No, I totally agree. I totally agree. There's two things.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl and you're going to ban it. Like, shut the fuck out. I'm a Giants fan. You know much I hate the Eagles? The Eagles took Sequin for me and won the Super Bowl. And I'm sitting here and you're making me defend the Eagles. It's preposterous that they were going to do it. The Eagles were actually the worst at it since they started doing it last year.

The year they won the Super Bowl was their lowest success rate of the Tush Push. They were the best at it in 22, then 23, and their lowest, I think it was like 80, whatever it was last year. They were theoretically getting worse at it. Yeah, perhaps it's related to a running game where the offensive line had Seaquin get 2,000 rushing yards. The other part of it, though, and I think the reason it lost, is because frankly, and the reason it made so mad, and I've given the NFL so much shit for this, is the reasoning the NFL had for DeBand the Tush Push was so on its surface, like, deceitful, where they were saying was about player safety for a play where there was zero evidence

that it's going to hurt, that it will hurt anyone. And again, now we've been covering the NFL, I mean, I've been covering the NFL, I mean, I've been covering the NFL, 10 years, DK, I don't want to even say, for your sake, how long you've been doing it, but like a long time. 40 years for D. Yeah, 40 years. I have never I have never heard more fake

like oh my god what about the player safety it's football everything else with football it's like it's a dangerous game all right we banned the tush bush all right let's talk about 18 week seasons let's bring that kickoffs

there's no data and the truth is they just think it's ugly Goodell thinks it's ugly Tristan thinks it's ugly and I think that's what and I'm going to read from Gandhal dude what the fuck is Good But that's, so Diana Rossini had a quote that was like, it was a vote about, this is her quoting an anonymous source who was in the meeting.

It was a vote about process more than what was right. People don't like the NFL telling people to vote and quote, health and safety was cited. But NFL chief medical officer Alan Sills wasn't here today, end quote. Like they were talking about players safety to ban the tush push and didn't bring that like fucking Alan Sills, the medical officer to the meeting because they, that's so fake. Because they know he would have to say that it does. doesn't increase the chances of injury. And so honestly, I'm more willing, Rahim Morris was the only coach at the Combine

who actually stood up there and said, I don't care, like the health and safety isn't a thing to me. I just don't think you should be able to push another playing football. I am so willing to hear that argument. Yeah, yeah. And that used to be a rule. And it was that way for a long time. I'm so willing to hear that.

It'd be like, this isn't how it should be. But like, have the conversation in those terms. Don't pretend about player safety, the Eagles win the Super Bowl that you want to ban. Like, please, it's so pathetic. Like, get good at it. If you think it's this like unstopping, like fucking get good at it. Oh my God.

Anyway, disgusted. Make me defend the Eagles at all this. Okay. And on top of that, Nick Seriana got a contract extension. Oh, good for him. Eagles keep winning left and right. The crazy thing about the Tush Push for the Eagles is they failed nine times last year. But on eight of those, they just did it again the next play and got it.

I know. It was like on third and short. They're like, oh, fuck it. We'll do it on a fourth and debt. If you add that into it, they literally have a 98% success rate. Again, when I'm an NFL, general manager one day. If my head coach ever just, and I'm like, hey, should we try the tush push?

And my head coach is like, nah, then I'm like, you're fired. Yeah. To me, the tush push, like argument is so funny because there's so many times in football where you sit and you look at the TV and there's a fail, a team fails on fourth and short, a third and short. And you're like, how hard is it to get a yard? How hard is it to get a yard? And this team figured out a way to just get a yard 97% of it.

I know. And everyone's fucking mad. That's the truth. They were just mad about it. That's it. They can't get one yard. Do you think if the Titans were the best team in the league at the tush push, this would even be an issue? Zero chance.

If they had the same success rate, all that. No shot. Speaking of people being mad. The NFL approved all these rules. The NFL approved that players can play flag football in the Olympics. So flag football is going to be an Olympic sport. And the question is what NFL players be allowed to play? And the NFL owners decided, yes, the NFL players can play.

There's a bunch of rules, one player particular. But that was a funny contra. This is the part of it. Oh, it's one player per team. Yes. So, for example, like Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, Joe Burrow, pick one. But there's a funny, you know, we can talk forever about which players do want to see in it. We could do that if you guys want.

But the part of me that I think is funniest in all this is there's a controversy now between, you know, the NFL players who would like to play flag football and the existing professional flag football players? Yeah. Team USA. Team USA who wants to play flight football in the Olympics that have been working for this their whole life. And they're like, well, we want to play. And I'm just like, who's going to tell them? Oh, you mean all these 140 pound Pipsqueaks

think that they deserve to play in the Olympics? Okay. Well, there's a guy Daryl Doucette, I think, who is like, I would be better at flight football than I am a better option for Team USA than Patrick Mahomes. I love the confidence, honestly. Do you guys think, because it is a different sport in theory. Kind of.

Do you think there's any chance of us, you know, selecting whatever? How many players are on a team? I don't even know. It's like, it's like 10. It's, it's, wait, Stephen Reeves had a good article at The Ring or breaking it down. One player from each team. And then 10 players total and the field is 50 yards by 25 yards. Okay.

How many people are on the field? The 10 players on the field at the same time. No, it's six. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's announce if you're blitzing. You have to raise your hand if you're blitzing. One Mississippi, two Mississippi. Well, it's like, no, there's a guy that lines up like 10 yards off

and he just gets a free shot at the quarterback basically. And then I think there's like five receivers, but including the center can't snap. And the quarterback can't run really. I just wonder if like in my head, I'm like the spread of United States versus Uruguay in flag football would be 87 and a half points in my head. However, is there a, in this, you know, the miracle on ice when the underdog US team beat Russia? Is there a miracle on turf potential here where we kind of like. like get cocky, waltz into a matchup, and lose to some random country who has a bunch of guys who know how to play together and know how to play flag football. And we have like Jamar Chase, he just like showed up the week of it.

It's like, I'll figure it out. I actually think 100% possible because like, I mean, obviously it's easy to, like they'll probably win 100 to nothing. But there's a, I mean, you ever watch OTA practices or like training camp? It's like there's always those stories of Jimmy Garoppel through seven interceptions today. Like, yeah, if they guys don't practice a ton and they just show up, like, yeah, it's like maybe they're not going to be able to do it. Having said that,

DK, our friend Mina Kimes had the best idea I've ever heard, which was the Pro Bowl should be NFL players playing the flag football players and the winner gets to be Team USA. You mean the Team USA flag football team?

Yeah, so the existing pro flag football players that are Team USA get to play the NFL players in the Pro Bowl. Some states. And the winner of the Pro Bowl then is, to watch the Pro Bowl for the first time in my life. The Olympic Bowl.

The Olympic ball. And like they should play. And like I don't know. Part of me thinks there's a chance that the NFL players could lose that if they don't try. We know. Yeah. Well, they don't have no time to prep. Yeah.

I know. I know. The sports close. I recognize and I understand that it's a different, there's different rules and it's a slightly different game of all that stuff. Slightly. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's like a dramatically different game.

would you? It's pretty different. There's no running game whatsoever. Yeah, you're throwing the football to a receiver. But there's no, yeah, but I actually like in the... I mean, there's no contact. There's like completely different defensive rules. But at the end of the day, you're a quarterback throwing a football to a receiver

who's trying to make guys miss your go in whatever. I think, I think Akos Razor here, the NFL players are going to be fucking way better. I mean, look, go ahead. I'm like, who's fucking kidding? This is ridiculous. I actually, so Stephen had a good article for the ringer where he basically was like, here's how we, who's who were to pick. And he had a good take, which was basically we need,

Kyler, Murray should be the quarterback. Kyler or Lamar, because the most important part of being quarterback, frankly, is you just one guy gets a free shot at you and you need to make that guy miss. And then honestly, if the receivers are Jefferson, Mike Evans, who wants to play. Yeah, you need height. And T. Higgins, there's no fucking way we're going to lose. Like, there's no fucking way we're going to lose. It just reminds me, it's like, it's like, remember how back in the day the, in the Olympic,

the Olympic basketball team was made up of college players because the NBA players were pros and they were not allowed to play in the Olympics. And then when they put together the Dream Team, they let one college player, Christian Leitner, be on the team. I think they should just let one professional flag football player beyond this team.

But let's be honest, the pro NFL players are going to be way better at this. Well, also, DK, I mean, famously, that 1992 Dream Team lost to a college team, in practice. Oh, did it really? Yes. So, yeah, maybe, you know, I don't know.

Look, I'm saying, I think, like, 90% sure NFL players are going to be better. I'm going to leave some open. I'll be open-minded that because of the nuances of the game and the rules that maybe these other guys could be ultimately better just because they have more time together as a team or something. It's just grabbing the flags. It's really weird. You're moving your head some shit. I don't know, man. I mean, put Jbar Chase out there.

There's some fucking random dude from whatever trying to. or Jemar Chase? Like, who are we kidding here? And this will also be in L.A. Like this will be at Sofi Stadium or something. I, yeah. I mean, this is, this is,

yeah. Like some semi-pro player from, like, Romania's trying to like, we are going to this game. Like, we are definitely going. And, yeah,

Stephen made a good point. We need a Monroft St. Brown on the team because otherwise if he, we caught him, he's going to go play for Germany. I mean, Kyle Hamilton on defense as the guy blitzing the quarterback

or else he's going to go play for South Korea. So, like, we kind of just hoard the American talent that way. just, you know, cut everyone else off at the pass and we're good. Am I being overconfident? You guys think they... No.

Overconfident of the NFL players? I think I'm... I'm just being a contrarian because I've been listening to a lot of Rogers, but... Yeah. He's just a free thinker. Like, if I had to guess what the spread is of the gold medal game, I guess I don't know how long the game is, but I mean, it would have to be... 50 points for me to think about better than the other team.

Yeah, I don't know if that's enough. I mean, Alabama gives that... to, you know, like the Citadel. You know what I mean? Like, I think I need 70. Yeah. How do, I don't know anything. How long are the games?

How long are their quarters halves? I don't know. We'll learn that like two days before. Yeah, this is the only reason I actually hesitate a little of us because I don't actually know that much about flag football. We're going to look that up in the Uber to the game in LA in July 2020. We're like, how does this work? Also, yeah, this is funny because it's not for like three years.

Yes. So anyway. All right. Speaking of which NFL schedule came out. we can go through The Chiefs are the most prime time games again so I think everyone's

going to be sick of them The Chiefs play Thanksgiving Christmas, Brazil in week one first game of the season Cowboys at Eagles on Thursday, September 4th

so we have a date so things feel real it's kind of a soft opener to me soft. Yeah. Cowboys Eagles are soft to you? Yeah,

I think because the Cowboys weren't good last year. Usually it's two good teams. Yeah, usually it's like this is the rematch we all wanted to see. So it's like Ravens Chiefs or something. To me I'm like, like what's,

Like, what's the spread going to be in this game? Seven and a half? Yeah, I guess that's a good point. Last time we saw this, the last time we saw Cowboys Eagles was the Sunlight game was the one where C.D. Lamb couldn't see the kids of the sun. That was the last time they played.

Okay. Cowboys first team in 15 years to play the opening game, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day. And then Thanksgiving games are pretty sick. Thanksgiving games, not that the Lions are good, Thanksgiving's unreal. Packers, Lions, Chiefs, Cowboys, Bengals Ravens.

Bankles Ravens is the night game on Thanksgiving is pretty, that's pretty great. That's fun. Christmas is, there's Cowboys, Washington, and Lions Vikings and some Chiefs game, I forgot. Chiefs Broncos. Seven international games. Ooh. Most ever.

Fun. Dolphins, Washington's in Madrid, Chiefs Chargers in Brazil. Vikings have two games in two countries. Dublin, Week 4, London, Week 5. For the Vikings. And then... It's nice, just real quick. It's nice that the NFL is sending

like good teams to Europe now. Well, they're trying to expand the brand. I mean, it also ties into why this Olympic thing is happening. Like, I think the NFL is very aware that if they have flag football with NFL stars, kids all over the country or kids all over the world are going to be more interested in football. The NFL is on the precipice, frankly, of perfecting the domestic product and is now going international. Because I think once they have the 18th game, I think where this is all going is they add

the 18th game and they give the players a second buy to agree to it. So that would take the Super Bowl. Basically, end of February. But then you collapse that gap between the conference championship games to the Super Bowl from two weeks back to one week. So you get the Super Bowl on President's Day. And you get, so now you have Labor Day. You keep week one, but then Super Bowl's presidents day weekend.

So now the Super Bowl's a three-day weekend. You make the Super Bowl somehow even larger with the 18th game. And the Lions set a proposal that didn't go through, but basically that would reseat it in a way that I think this week 17 and 18 would be more competitive. And that honestly is, like to me the final, like that's the final destination with all of this, is that it's kind of the perfect schedule for the NFL.

And then now they're like, all right, let's take this shit global. And they're going to, you know, so. Yeah. But honestly, the biggest schedule takeover I wanted to have is the Steelers play in week one, the New York Jets. So if Aaron Rogers does sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers, that he would start literally week one, it would be Justin Fields of the New York Jets versus Aaron Rogers and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

That would be week one. Do we know is Aaron Rogers, Craig, you did the research. Yeah, what's going on here? You did your own research. Is Aaron Rogers going to sign with Steelers or what? He literally didn't mention football one time. What did he talk about? Because he's an expert on so many other things, is why.

I'm actually shocked. We could just do it now. Let's just do it. I somehow was left disappointed. Like, my expectations were low and they were not met. Oh. That's a bummer. I guess maybe I mean, I know he's, you know, I know about Aaron Rogers.

And yet I showed up and I listened to three hours and he made Joe Rogan look smart and well read and researched. Yeah. The amount of topics Rogers just throws out and then has actually no data or information on that topic before Rogan either shoots it down for being too outlandish or having a thought on it that Rogers has never thought of. It's remarkable. Like Rogers was saying shit that Rogan would say like, oh, I don't know if I believe that. Like what? Roger says Rodgers has said some crazy shit.

I mean, for a guy who talks about how you need to do your own research a lot, he didn't have a lot of research on any of the topics that he was interested in. He would just bring something up. He'd be like, you know, these people, he always said like, people are talking about, if you heard about the nanobots and the COVID vaccine. And Rogan's like, you believe that? And he's like, I'm not saying, I just, some people are talking about it. Just asking questions.

Some people are saying that there could be nanobots in the COVID vaccine. I don't think I believe that. My favorite conspiracy theory is the people who are like, Joe Rogan is like, I don't know if I believe in nanomies. That's kind of a place too far. Dude, my favorite conspiracy theory is the people who are like the COVID vaccine is attracting, it's a track you.

I'm like, have you ever heard of a fucking phone? Yeah. You're reading this. You're just hit, you're blindly hitting except on all the cookies and everything. You go to Europe, but you like did reject the terms and conditions? Yeah.

I've never once turned down a cookie offer. I always want cookies. Did real life end on the computer? Jackie's mom can track her on the phone with Find My Friends. She got the exact chair we were sitting at at the hotel. She found the fucking pool resort. But yeah, it's the, it's the vaccine. It was remarkable.

And it's going to be really hard for me to root for the series. Now it is. Yeah, it was bad, guys. It was bad. It was really bad. Did he bring up the fact that birds aren't real? Does they get into the birds aren't real stuff? Did he bring up that he thinks Fauci invented AIDS?

Yeah, there was some of that. He said that multiple times. There's like the vaccine autism thing. He did a lot of like, they did a whole thing about like comedy and the woke mob, you know, ruining comedy. I can imagine Rogers being really mad that no one laughs at his jokes.

You know what struck me is he's really unfunny. Yeah. Rogan is I guess a stand-up comedian, by trade, and I find him to be pretty unfuny, Rogers is less funny than Joe Rogan. Rogers has nothing. He's bringing nothing to the table. He just throws out some ridiculous theory that's completely unbacked by anything, has no even, like, fake research he could bring up to support it. Rogan either shoots it down or makes a joke about it and moves on, and they did that for three hours. They probably hit 300 topics in three hours.

300. Because there's nothing there. Everything is so thin. Except football. You can't get into it because... It's like a mile wide, a millimeter deep on every topic. It would be exposed so quickly that they need to move on. And you know what sucks is like one out of 20 things they're saying is probably true, but you have no fucking idea because the rest of it is so insane.

So every once in a while, you're like, oh, maybe there is something to that. Dude. But you, you know, what are you going to do? Rogers has alluded to hollow earth theory. Like he, you know what I mean? Like, uh... Tell me about that. Uh, that there's a civilization of people who live inside the earth on the other side.

Oh, that the earth is hollow. Yeah, like Godzilla. That's it. Like that movie with King Kong's. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. He's big on aliens, which, sure.

Look, I'm kind of big on aliens, Craig. I'm not going to be. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I've talked. We've talked about it. There's a huge difference between aliens exist somewhere in the infinite universe. And aliens have been to this planet. And aliens have built the fucking pyramids. Those are three different things.

I believe all of them. It's just funny because Rogan will be like, Rogan will be like, yeah, you know, I think aliens, like, I think we've been in contact with aliens maybe in the last 10 to 20 years. And then all Rogers will say is like, maybe even since 1940. And then they don't talk about that. He does say everything like, can you elaborate? Yeah. Just move on.

He thinks he's wearing a trash coat of parking brush. Wait, is he saying the Nazis were aliens? No, I don't. That didn't come up. What was his? There was M.K. Ultra. There's a lot. The Sandy Hook got brought up, of course.

Oh, yeah. Well, he thinks that was a. crisis false flag events, which is where he lost me. That's where he lost. I mean, yeah, that's the one. Yeah, that's my line.

That's fair. Okay. Anyway, I don't recommend that podcast. That was tough. That was tough. Okay. Oh, my God. There was somebody that did

like a summation of the things they talked about on the show on that that episode. I can't believe. It was like, has he ever heard conspiracy theory they doesn't believe automatically. I'm just going to say it's it's I I I that's actually would be a good thing

whatever are the conspiracy theories you don't believe which ones doesn't he believe that's what I want to know I actually would listen to a podcast about which ones he does not believe in like what's too far Aaron Rogers debunking conspiracy theories that would be compelling to me men will literally think the earth is hollow instead of going to there's a there's a what is the purpose of the hollow earth theory like

why does that matter because you were told it's not And he's fucking hates authority. I don't know. He just says needs a hug. I saw the recap of the episode. And the first thing I thought of was a line from a true detective from Marty Hart. It was just at a certain age, a man without a family can be a bad thing.

Like, Rogers, dude, he needs to do something else. He needs something that will take more of his time. I thought you were also going to say when he's like, Marty turns to Russ Cole. He's like, I need you to stop saying weird shit. that's a good one. Craig by week one. Gotta beat Justin Fields here. All right. Anything else on Rogers and Rogan? Craig? I think we got a lot of that in your future, bud.

Yeah. Gut check right now. Wait, no, but seriously, though. Is he going to be a Steeler? I want, I want Rogers ever Mason Rudolph. I'm not doing Mason Rudolph again. Yeah, that's fair. All right.

Good luck with that. Buffalo's got hard knocks. I don't really have anything to say other than great. This is cool. What a lovable team. The rule was the team wasn't allowed to be a playoff team the year before. The rules are all made up. They fucking tried to get UNC and then Jordan killed it.

The points don't matter. Yeah, Bill's that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, that's great. Are they doing multiple hard knocks still? Well, they're doing the NFC East is the in-season hard knocks, which they're following all four teams, I guess. Which is pretty solid last year. There's a lot of stuff that came out of that. But no, the all-season one's dead.

Ain't no one signing up for that one at the Giants. that will be in history books. Well, they don't have books anymore. But okay. Just podcasts. Just three-hour podcasts. Caleb Williams Viking stuff. Yeah.

So Seth Wickersham, ESPN, also is a book coming out in September called American Kings. Seth Warkersham's great. I have a few books behind me. One of them is the last book he rose about the Patriots. This one's about quarterbacks. And an excerpt, basically, an early copy came out. And a lot of quotes came out from Carl Williams, who's, Caleb Williams' dad. It was about basically

Caleb Williams' dad didn't want him to go to the Chicago Bears. And among the things... Huge shock. Shock, yeah. It's one of those where it's like, I get why Bears fans are mad and I'm also like, you read the quotes

and I'm like, yep, yeah, yeah. It's one of those things where it's hurtful to read it plainly in words, but in reality you're like, I'm sure everybody thinks this going to a shitty team. Yeah, if you take three seconds. Like, so among the things, so Carl Williams says in the book,

Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die. Okay, that's also what Jim McMahon said. He's the best quarterback in Bears history. Like, he said that too. It's probably where he got it from. Carl Williams said, I don't want my son playing for the Bears. Who does in that situation? Caleb Williams wondered aloud to confidence.

Do I want to go to Chicago? I don't think I can do it with Shane Waldron. Guess what? That seems pretty like football IQ right there because he was right. Waldron has been taking L's for two straight years now. So Carl Williams, yeah, I know. That really is. Just drive by after a drive.

bless his heart. I mean, whether it is completely his fault or not, he is the scapego. Shane, are we live, Waldron should be his name. Shane, are we live, Waldron? So Carl Williams, is Caleb's dad, talked to Archie Manning about going to how to force your way to another team. Carl Williams talked to labor lawyers about could he play for the USFL and then become an unrestricted free agent, which is something that happened like the first time there was the USFL in the 80s. And then this is the part that sounds salacious unless you think about it.

at the end this is quoting from seth wicker shim at the nfl combine uh that year uh kaleb williams met with minnesota kaila william viking's head coach kevin o'connell the two hit it off and kaleb williams began to dream of what it would be like to play for minnesota i need to go to the vikings he told his father let's do it his father replied bromance but they both knew a trade due divisional rival was unlikely and bears jim ryan pole stood firm telling kaila williams were drafting you no matter what so which only left one option, just talk so much shit about the Bears in Chicago that the city can't take you.

And basically, it's what John Elway did with the Indianapolis cults in 83. He was like, I hate you, I hate you. Yeah, but that was in 1980. Yeah. There was no social media. Different world now.

The NFL is like by far the biggest sport in the country. Yeah. And it would be a terrible look for him to do that. Terrible. Yeah. And so Caleb was basically like, I didn't want to, this is a quote,

Seth Wickersham. I didn't want to nuke the city. And then so he told us that I could do it for this team. I'm going to go to the bear. So all that... You know the Rasello meme? I actually came away more impressed with it. Like, I do kind of feel that way about Caleb.

I'm like, all of your feelings are valid. And you ultimately taking the high road and being like, all right, fuck it. I don't want to ruin the city. I'll try to save it. Yeah. I respect it. It's admirable. Yeah.

Also, the most relatable thing ever was him talking about how he fell in love with Kevin O'Connell after talking to him at the cobbite. Craig? Craig, I think Craig, I remember you doing the exact same thing. watched a couple of interviews with him. You're like, I love this guy. I would run through a law for this guy. Dude, Donald was on the Carolina fucking Panthers.

And then he ends up on the Vikings. They went 14 games. Like, yeah, it shows good taste from Caleb Williams that he's like, this is clearly a smart guy. I'll succeed with this guy. I also, I have to shout out. Caleb Williams, the way he handled this, I was very impressed. He was asked about it.

He said, I want to address this because it's a distraction. He didn't deny anything he said. He acknowledged all of it. He was like, it's part of the pre-draft process. We didn't know. Yeah, it's like we had ideas and thoughts. And I think the most important part is the end of that story where I'm like, I want to do this in Chicago. That's the decision I came to. That to me is the point I want to emphasize. But I actually really respect that. He stood by everything he said. And he was like, yeah, I want to dress it. I stand by everything I say,

but like I decided to come here. And again, in the pre-draft process, it totally makes sense you would think about all that. So, and he's like, and he also noticed he's like, yeah, the Bears have never had a 4,000-yard passer. And my word's not his. Imagine if I didn't notice that. in a hundred years. The other thing that came out that I thought was interesting was, wasn't there a quote that he, no one was with him when he was watching film? Yeah.

No one was like talking him through watching film. Eberflus and Waldron basically didn't direct him on what he was in, literally in like rooms alone, just like watching random film that he thought he needed to watch. Right. Like it was up to him to decide like and figure out what to watch and what to watch. But it's also how. What you're looking for.

Like one of the reasons Brady's Brady is Belichick taught Brady. Of course. Isn't that like the literal, job of the quarterbacks coach? Did they not have a quarterbacks coach? I think that's weird. I saw Kurt Warner came out and was like, no one ever taught me to watch film. And I can understand.

Because you were an undrafted free. I know. I was like, dude, you were in groceries. I understand like, I could understand, I guess, why veteran quarterbacks would look at him and be like, dude, fucking figure it out, like self-start or whatever. Well, he was trying. At the same time.

At the same time, yeah, it's not like he didn't watch film. it's that no one was there with him coaching him and talking to him about it. Everything I picture about what a coach does is like sitting there next to a player and talking through everything. Also, it's not like he was publicly bitching about it. He was going, like he was doing his job the best he could last year. Exactly. And so, yeah, I kind of came away from this.

I thought that was weird. Yeah, that's very strange. And so Ben Johnson's now watching film with him. And you know what? Ben Johnson actually, the twins of the story is Ben Johnson did admit this week. another person who actually, I kind of quickly respect for standing by what they're saying. Ben Johnson was like, yeah, I'm working on everyone with body language, including Caleb Williams. I like this a lot.

I thought that was one of Caleb's biggest issues this last year was just, I mean, there was a couple times where he looked like he was legit shell-shocked. I don't know if that's necessarily his fault, but so much bad body language. One of the worst body language guys in the league last year. And it's great that Ben Johnson is essentially calling him out on it. And he's like, we watched film. we looked at some of the instances where the bad body language was showing up

and I asked him, is that what you want? And he said no. And so we're going to work on it. What about DJ Moore? Did he do that with DJ Moore? He's, dude, DJ Moore is gone. I think that's why they drafted Lisa Burden, bro.

I actually think DJ Moore walking off that play is why they drafted there's a lot of, this is another thing that's kind of, I've been going around the fantasy circles over the last like week, a couple of weeks is that if you read between the lines on all of Ben Johnson's pressers after the draft, it was like him calling out DJ Moore. Yeah, I, being like terrible body language, walking off the field. They're in the middle of a play when Caleb's scrambling to his side.

Like, give you a break. But also, there was weird vibes all year. It wasn't just that play. So I totally agree, D.K. But yeah, I love the thing Ben Johnson said, no palms up. Like, not allowed, you're not allowed to walk around. Like, what's going on? He's like, that's weakness.

It's disorganization. I'm like, yeah, that's true. So I am in what's going on here. I love Ben Johnson. And I like, I'm still in on all this. And again, just, I know we didn't talk about this forever. The bears are a succession family. There's like nine siblings that all owned like four percent of the bears.

It's fucking chaos. Five of them work for the team, four just doing their own thing. It's a bit like, you're like, how could that be possible? It's fucking crazy what's going on there. They're all, anyway. The more you learn about last year, the more I am willing to buy into Caleb in the bears this year. Yes, I agree. Speaking of ownership, a more somber note.

So Jim Ursae, the owner of the Colts died. He was 65 years old. The new Colts owner is, well, he is 10 grandchildren and he has a few kids. But Carly Ursay Gordon, who's his daughter, is the one who took over 11 years ago when Jim Erce was suspended for a DUI. So she's seen as the person most likely to run it. It's believed that his kids want to keep running it. But I just want to shout out Jim Mersey because it's very, frankly, unlike the other NFL owners,

I think it's safe to say Jim Mersey is almost certainly the last NFL owner, whoever started his career as a ballboy in the locker room, almost definitely, like he literally was like doing the laundry cart. Complicated guy, widely beloved in Indianapolis, one of the more candid down-to-earth and afloaners. If there are any down-to-earth ones,

as Jim Mersey, I mean, he boxed in bars when he was a kid, like tweet out happy birthday to players who tweet out roster moves, like a huge collector, like, he actually has maybe like the best guitar collection in the world. He was offered a billion dollars for his guitar collection and said no. A billion?

among other things. He has like crazy. I mean, he has Muhammad Ali's gloves from the thrill in Manila. Like he has crazy and he's offered a billion dollars from someone in the Middle East and he said no. Traded a third round pick for Bill Pollian. Pretty good move. Try to airlift that whale from Florida to the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, I want to be clear.

We teased him a lot about this and made fun of the whale thing. But also, does that just kind of give you a good idea of his character? Like, he's trying to airlift a whale. He's trying to save this whale. Dan Snyder's not fucking helping anyone see World. And I will say Jim Ursaid was the only one Jim Erse was the only one who actually left the owner's meeting and talked to reporters and was like Dan Snyder's got to go.

Probably. Jim Arseye was the one who wrote to see it was like Dan Snyder cannot be in this league anymore. But he's very complicated life. Did you see what Reggie Wayne said? Reggie Wayne spoke to the media. And he was immediately started tearing up talking about him. You know, he basically talked about how much Ersei cared about the players, the team, the city, all that.

But this quote stood out to be. Reggie Wayne said of Jim Ursay treated me like I was one of his sons. And so like, I don't know, that's, you know, obviously like he said, he complicated a guy and there was a history of substance abuse and so many things and kind of some weirds. You know, he would have sort of weird outbursts at times,

but he's going to be remembered as like a very good owner. I think, you know, going back all the way through his life. So Jim Ursay, so he told HBO he had been to rehab 15 times. Yeah. And frankly, in a way, frankly, a lot of it was fighting his father's legacy. His dad, Boberset, was honestly like one of the more hated NFL owners ever. He's the one who moved the Baltimore cults to Indianapolis in the middle of the night. There's a 30 for 30 on that.

And then Jim Mersey's dad, Bobberset, was frankly like he was a mean drunk. Like, it was known that you couldn't come to, everyone had to leave the office by noon on Fridays because Bob Ursay would walk around and try to fire people while he was drunk. And it was like there were stories that like Bobber's, Ursae would like fire people blackout drunk at like 10 in the morning and then the next day he's like, where are they? And they're like, you fired him. He's like, I did. And it's like he would call during the game like a few drinks in and be like try to call plays and like bench players. And like, it was just a mess. So Jim Ursay basically was trying to undo this legacy and like,

I want to stay out of the way. I want to be. And so he caught Jim Ursay was basically like, I'm going to do everything my dad didn't do. So he trades for Bill Polian. It doesn't tell Bill Polian who to take for 10 years and they win the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? Like, and so it's important to be part of the community. important to be gracious and I think so much frankly he had a pretty complicated father to be generous and a lot of it was him just spending his life trying to do his best while he had like a lot of demons in him too but um very beloved it I think in Indianapolis and frankly I don't think any family could have had like a

more tarnished name in sports when he took over especially the way they left Baltimore but um I mean I think it speaks volumes when a lot of the players in rank and file are like this guy was awesome definitely you know it wasn't very polished public statements. People were just sad that he was gone. Yeah. Yeah. So big time.

And he also said, we're keeping 100% of the team. I'm passing out of my children. He said that a couple years ago. So, all right. I think I saw a report today that his three daughters are going to now sort of take over. So, so, yeah.

RIP to Jim Mersey. And shout out for being the one who actually said Dan Snyder's got to go. Last thing that happened here of any seriousness and we get to a bunch of dumb shit. This is so boring. We can cut this if you want. But I don't think any other fantasy show is going to talk about this. but this was in the New York Times this morning. The House bill that passed for the tax code for Trump,

I'm reading for the New York Times, tucked in it is a tax code could potentially cool the current frenzy among the wealthy to own professional sports teams. For decades, owners of teams in the NFL NBA and other major leagues have been able to write off the entire value of their team's intangible assets, which include player contracts, media rights,

and sponsorship deals over 15 years. And under the House tax plan, team owners would be able to deduct from their taxes only half the value of those intangible assets over the period, which it was introduced a couple years ago, that could amount to hundreds of millions of dollars. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What the means is when they pay the $200 million in salary,

it's like a tax shelter. It's like a tax haven. And the bill would cut that of what they can do in half, which, functionally speaking, would give the government a tremendous amount of leverage over sports owners. That is, like, functionally what it is, which I don't know if anyone gives a shit about it. Is this because they wouldn't let Trump have an NFL team

or whatever the X-F? I think they want teeth If there's another kneeling thing, to be totally honest. I think that that's functionally what this gives the government is. There's like, hey, you want that halfback? You know, behaves. That's functionally where what this is. It's very interesting.

So we'll see if it passes to the Senate. I don't know if anyone gives a shit about that, but intrigued me. Rogan and Rogers did not touch on that. Oh, my God. Okay. Other stuff that happened and then I'll take us about me. We got emails and tell you guys about my trip. Around the Horn ended.

Yeah. RIPed Around the Horn. A lot of people have talked about it. But me like everyone else would come home from school and like watch that shit. And it was unbelievable, influential. Yeah, the PTI into the Around the Horn was like the sports version of when I was like that sweet spot in comedy and maybe on like NBC. I remember when I would get home and it was like community 30 Rock Parks and wreck the office. The version of that on ESPN was the Around the Horn PTI window.

Just one of the all-time great sports concepts, that and PTA. Yeah, so anyway, unrelated, we're going to start doing a scoring system on our show. Yep. Where we have one person be the judge. He's going to figure out how to mute me. Oh, God, that would be amazing, actually. Kai is going to be Tony Realeigh. Yeah.

And, yeah, we're calling it near the horn. Near the bell. Yeah. Around the horn's a great name for a sports show, by the way. Yeah. It's a great, sneaky great name for that concept. Yeah. It just works perfectly.

Yeah. So, RIP around the horn. I'm also, I have on more than one occasion pitched to you guys trying to steal something they've done, including I have forever wanted to steal the, they did on April Fool's Day when you did the whole show backward.

What do you mean? We ended up, like they just started with. We did the Memento episode backward. Yeah. So I think that was the idea. When we did Memento, that was really what we stole it from.

We did one of the other, the memento tattoos. We did the whole show at order. So they started off with the winner? They didn't know. They started off. Yeah, they threw Tony Reilly the paper and he caught it instead of him throwing out the camera. And then they cut to the winner and then they went back. Were they like, was he taking away points throughout the show?

Yeah. Yeah. And I was 12 and I was like, this is sick. Anyway. All right. Other things. Speaking of RIP. Yeah.

Marvin Harrison Jr. is ripped. dude I'm a little freaked out but gut shes so Marvin Harrison Jr. is absolutely cut right now

his arms are fucking huge he is this good or bad DK as a Seahx fan who watched D.K. Metcalfe when you saw D.K.

McCaff get drafted does that physique or are you like this is a good thing for a wide receiver or is there too big is that such a thing? I think with

in D.K. Mechaf's case no it was not there's no such thing as too big like it was like this guy's larger than life. Is it METCF's the whole thing, Alligator Arms?

I think he can't do catch points. Metcalf is not as strong at the catch point as he looks like he should be. Right. Yeah. That makes sense. I think generally speaking, when you hear of a player getting bigger or like getting ripped or gaining weight, that's usually a bad thing. I feel like most of the time that's a bad thing. It happens all the time with receivers and running backs.

We're like, oh, so and so put on 10 pounds of extra muscle. this off-season to try and like deal with the rigors of an NFL season and then they're just slower. You know what I mean? And it's just like this doesn't actually help anything. It's worse. And we can't overstate how big Marvin Harrison Jr. looks. His arms are massive.

He looks like a superhero in these clips. And apparently according to him, he didn't even mean to do it. It just happened. It's just all in his biceps. He basically is like, I guess I wasn't eating that much in college. Yeah, he's like, I don't know, I've been working out and eating more protein, I guess. And I'm calling bullshit on that. Shame.

That's such horrid shit. Give me a fucking break. That does not just happen by working out more and eating more protein. That is a deliberate plan to put on pure raw muscle and look like a superhero. Craig, gut check. Is this just related to him having a disappointing season and people making fun of him online for being a bus? And he's like, I'm going to get small. Like, is there like, I just, I don't know.

The more I, part of me is like, oh, maybe they think his arms need to be huge. And part of me is like, ah, he's probably just embarrassed. Yeah, it's just a rebranding, you know? Happens in Hollywood all the time. Like the pink drugs? You know, everyone needs a brand. Yeah. If he's ripped now, everyone's just going to talk about how good he looks for the entire

off season and no one's going to talk about his disappointing rookie campaign. Didn't Nangiani do this too? Well, that was actually for a superhero movie. Yeah, but it was for him. That was one of the all-time weirdest transitions from pre-ripped to ripped. Yeah. He's still ripped. Look him up now.

Is he still ripped? I saw the pictures. some pit, but I was like, is this like a Photoshop? What the fuck is this? Yes. Yeah. He's got like a date pack. Dude, also the veins of the arm are unbelievable. He's massive.

Yeah. But ultimately, so I'm reading the quotes. Yeah, he says, I put on some pounds. I think I added some muscle. I think he doesn't. I'm like, look at you. You look like the Hulk. What are you talking about? He never set out to do it. This is better than, this is better.

I will say, this is better than the normal thing at this time of the offseason where you're like, oh, that guy got fat. So it's better than that. I feel like, yeah, I guess so. But he says, he does say in the CSPN story from Josh Weinfuss that you don't want to put, he says, quote, you don't want to put on too much weight and then your body may not be used to it. But I feel exactly the same as I did before. So at least he's aware, like, he needs to keep his speed up. Like this speed thing is more important than having big biceps.

It's also late May. Like by the time August rolls around, he could be back down five to 10 pounds and have kept the muscle he wanted it. So like, this might be fine. But him just showing up at this presser and being like, didn't even realize, do I look different? Yeah. So, yeah. So do I? I will say like after watching him as a rookie, like he could get a little stronger.

Like it's probably a good thing that he's getting stronger. Yeah. Yeah. It's like what good would be? It's like, he's all in his biceps. His biceps are massive. Yeah. Huge.

Speaking of alligator arms. Yeah. Speaking of alligator arms. The alligator from Happy Gilmore died. Damn. You wrote this in here. I had no idea that guy was still alive that Gator

Craig, we talked about this I thought Did we? We talked about it on the show before Yeah How he was like One of the older Alligators is like 80 something years old

Wasn't he? Oh yeah How old was he Sorry his acting career was like 30 years But yeah he was the Gator was shit Gitter honestly You got chel died

Gator was older than Jim Ursaid Which is fucking weird You got one I got that 80 I got that ass to die though Even like Happy, not having it go, even Adam Sandler

like quote tweeted the story and was like, damn, sorry to see you go, RIP. I got that bastard's eye though. You know what's the best part of that? Every time I watch there's something new. Have you ever looked at the jar? The jar is so gross. It's like the oldest radiance, mason jar with a yellow fluid and nasty eye. Oh my

God. You pretty sick, Chuck. Got that bastard's eye, though. I got that bastard's eye, though. I got that bastard's eye, though. You got one eye. Charms, you took his hand. He beats up an alligator and then he like, you drops an elbow on it at the very end. You can just tell us like very obviously just a blow-up alligator.

How, guys, how drunk do you think I have to be to enjoy Happy Gilmore 2? How many beers should I do? We should do a live watch. I think three drinks in at least. I think I need like six. You need some two seats. Six. Yeah.

I love Happy Gilmore so much. I'm so nervous about the sequel. I thought the trailer looks pretty good. I'm not going to lie. I don't know. I don't trust trailers. I mean, you can't trust trailers. That's for sure, because it's probably like all the best moments of the movie.

But I don't know. Got me going a little bit. I'm not going to lie. Okay. I'm going to see it. So we were just texting for like two weeks about we should put this in the show when I come back. We should put this. And Craig said Tom Cruise popcorn.

And I was like, no one is talking about. I'll learn about another show. show what I have I did watch the Mission Impossible to I'm going to go see it but like what are you talking about? Yeah I think I'm actually going to go see the new one tonight. I heard it's pretty mid but I just I always enjoy the Tom Cruise press tour because they

basically figure out any way they can to have him not talk about anything real and this press tour has been all about popcorn he's always said he likes popcorn but this one's been really heavy on the popcorn all he talks about is how much he loves eating popcorn he loves going to the movies sitting in the back and just devouring an entire

bag of popcorn. He loves popcorn. The Hifitz, when you were away, when you were in Europe, the internet was a blaze with talk of Tom Cruise, the way he eats popcorn. There's a shot of Tom Cruise. What is he like Kelsey Plum eating on popcorn? It's crazy than Kelsey Plum. There's a shot of him

maniacally throwing popcorn into his mouth standing and kind of nodding like a super villain. Every single colonel gets thrown. He's hit like one out of four kernels is hitting his mouth and he loves it. And if I'm going to like break down the All-22, he grabs a huge handful. He kind of like shakes it in his hand like he's got dice in there.

That's a classic dad move, though. And then he's like chucks it into his mouth. Yeah. You know what it reminds me of? Do you know the Ben Stiller impression of Tom Cruise where he's just like way over the top and like everything is hilarious? Like it looks like Ben Stiller would be eating popcorn as Tom Cruise. They've kind of fine.

They've smoothed out all the. of Tom Cruz over the last 20 years. With his face and personality. Yes, but they forgot about the popcorn. Old Tom Cruise comes out when he eats the popcorn. Are you saying it's old Tom Cruise and this is the last vestige of like his old life? This is him standing up on the couch or standing up on the couch screaming, waving his arms about. You don't think this is like a bit choreograph to go viral?

I don't think the way he's eating popcorn was manicured. I think perhaps him talking about it a lot was because he like loves theaters. You tell me the guy who drove remote. who practiced driving a motorcycle off a cliff. Yeah. You don't think he practiced this popcorn thing. No, definitely. I think he's just a psycho about popcorn.

Loves popcorn and that's how he genuinely eats popcorn. I think that was just kind of an in the moment thing. It was just a moment of passion of him throwing popcorn in his mouth. Wait, should I pull up, should I watch this right now? That's the way he eats it. And then there was another clip of him walking out on stage to, you know, at some theater. And he sees a guy. The movie hasn't started yet.

And there's a guy with an empty bag of popcorn. And he goes, he like, stop. to address him and he's like, hey, you finish all your popcorn. The movie hasn't even started yet, which I have to say, I respect and relate to. I don't know if you don't know this about me. I do not have a single kernel of popcorn until the movie begins. It's like sacrosan. Really?

Yes. To start once the movie starts. To me, the joy of eating popcorn while watching the movie is unmatched. I love it. It makes the movie better. And the people who buy the popcorn, they sit down and they hammer it down while the trailers are going. that makes no sense to me. I don't like that because I feel like,

I feel crazy sometimes because I feel like the popcorn, I don't know the words for popcorn, but the brown kernel part inside. The kernel. Is that the kernel? What's the other stuff? The corn? Well, the popped kernels.

Okay. Well, the kernel, I feel like gets stuck in my throat. And so I disproportionately kind of like, kind of choke, not choke, but you know what I mean? You get like,

I just feel like I needed, yeah, like that. I need to drink water. Yeah. So I feel like I'm hammering water to do this popcorn. I'm like, shit, I got to go pee.

I've actually mastered the... It's a vicious cycle. I've mastered eating popcorn without needing a drink. That's the key. It's ironic because you're the one who has the best road issue. Craig is like obsessed with popcorn. It's my favorite snack. You'll just like he'll skip a meal so he can eat like a huge thing of popcorn.

I can't, tonight my dinner will be popcorn at the movie theater. I'm fucking thrilled. I'm watching crazy popcorn. But I'm telling you, give it a shot. Don't eat popcorn until the movie. until the movie begins, you'll like it. I was telling you this, Craig. My version, I don't get popcorn when I go to the movies.

I get candy. And my go-to candy is just a box of Reese's pieces, which, by the way, at the movie theater I go to, or maybe this is standard, it's like way too much Reese's pieces. It's always like that. It's a huge amount of Reese's pieces. And I just pop those things into my mouth like it's a metronome.

And like, I'm done almost by the time the movie starts. What is the joy in that? It's all flavor all the time. For five minutes. It's really fucking good. Craig, what's the joy in? chocolate and peanut butter. But like if you're sitting somewhere for three hours,

don't you want to eat during the movie? What's the point of just drinking Reese's pieces for five minutes? Are you asking my rational logical take? Craig, as if my lizard as if my lizard is not running the show. Jesus, it's like the fucking experiment with rats and cocaine. I just keep going back to it.

So I'm fucking talking about pushing that button. I want every Reese's pieces. I want Craig on that. boat with Stefan Diggs. Don't you have any self-control with Stefan? What are you fucking talking about? Some self-respect. I love that.

The way that Craig is almost exactly the same is Tom Cruise. This is at least one way. That's where we live. The Vennbergasted. The Vennbergasted. I love this guy. Craig is obsessed with popcorn. I love it. My favorite snack. I make it at home. I have a whirly pop, which is a good thing.

So are you making it, do you like any of the supermarkets stuff or you just like you want to make your own popcorn hot. Do you add butter or salt or anything? Or you just go like out of the bad. Yeah, I melt butter. I do salt pepper, parmesan cheese. I grate my own parmesan on to the popcorn. That's elite. Yeah. I literally had it down. My grandma used to make us popcorn growing up. It's a family thing like growing up watching everybody lives Raymond on a Thursday night. Like my family would just eat a light dinner and then we'd all make giant bowls of popcorn and the watch TV and it was the best. And we make it on the stove and it's That's sick.

You know who else? Favorite snack, popcorn? My guy, Steph Curry. Favorite snack? Another area, which the vet diagram is very specific. Just two guys who can go three for five from three in an NBA game. God fucking damn. Three for five.

That's so specific. God, damn. God, I love, I seriously, it makes me happy to think of Tom Cruise. Just pop in the popcorn in his mouth. There's no one like. genuinely enjoying themselves more than that moment than Cruz. Well, we're talking about...

Did you see it? He went on McAfee. Did you guys see that? Cruz went on McAfee? What did they talk about? For 30 minutes. What was that? Was it better or worse than Rogers on Rogan?

God, it's close because... What is more to say? Rogers or Tom Cruise? Rogers covered 300 topics in three hours and Tom Cruise covered one topic in 35 minutes, which was how much he loves movies. So they didn't... He genuinely does love movies, right? Why didn't he go to the Oscars last year?

Why didn't he? Tom Cruise. Why would he have? Wasn't he nominated for something? Oh, two years ago for Top Gunn. He didn't go. He wasn't nominated. The movie was.

That he made. Yeah, he produced it. People were upset he didn't go. I don't know why. Anyway, I know that's a real question. Sometimes people don't want to go and they know they're going to lose. I will say this about Tom Cruise. I saw some quote for him recently where he was like being interviewed on the red carpet

it and he was talking about competency, how it's like a discipline and you have to, and the way that he approaches like doing his stunts and everything, he's like, I'm not afraid because I, and I wish I had the quote from me because it was pretty interesting. But it was like basically just, I practice really hard and I master something.

So I have competency with it. And it's not dangerous because I'm competent doing things. And I thought it was, I was like actually like, wow, that's actually kind of cool. Because I haven't heard, you know, it's so many,

everything is so manufactured with him. I was like, That was pretty cool. Yeah. And he takes it very seriously. In like a bizarre world, like his brain and Pete Carroll's brain are the same. Totally. You know?

Totally. Yeah. They just kind of went down different paths. Can I admit something? I can't wait for what you're about to say. Deeply unpopular. I, this might get me like really dot.

No, I think I know what you're going to say. Do you want me to guess? I can feel it coming. You're going to say the original top gun is not that good. No, top gun's great. Oh, okay. The Mission Impossible. I got to tell you, I was rewatching some of them for the new one.

And I'm like, I know all the lore of Tom Cruise spent so much time doing these stunts so he could do it on his own. And I was watching it and I was like, they probably shouldn't spend more time on the fucking dialogue. I'm like some of the plot stuff. I don't know. I'm watching it. And I'm like, having seen John Wick, I just can't, I just feel like, oh, it's kind of boring. You particularly enjoyed the dialogue in John Wick? there's less of it more fighting

it just slows better I'm back that's kind of the worst movie you could have chosen for dialogue dialogue is the wrong word I just I don't know I was watching Mission impossible like 20 minutes

John Witt goes yeah all right dialogue's the wrong word it's like it's parody it's like no look I actually to be honest I think it's I kind of agree with you

I like the Mission Impossible movies they've never been my favorite action franchise a bone to pick with like the cop out of the fucking masks. I always thought that was lame. Like you could put any character in any situation and then in any moment they can just take off their mask and there's somebody else. I just always found out.

Do sex machina or whatever. Well, the other one was like, like I was watching Ghost Protocol, which, and I know some of them are better than others. I'm not trying to say all them. Fallout's fun and really good. I think like the, people like the Ghost Protocol, Rogue Nation and Fallout and people in the original, I think are the four favorites. Do you guys think that the missions are impossible enough?

aren't they like what eight for eight or whatever how many movies are there eight well and the villain for the last two is like some AI syndicate seems like seems like maybe the word isn't doesn't mean what you think it means yeah like kind of like infinite for me i don't think you know i don't think that word means it's what is it from princess bride he's like inconceivable i don't think that word means what you think it was i was just watching goes protocol and and ethan's like i know like we have to give this terrorist to nuclear codes now because he'll definitely get him later. And I'm like, that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. I mean, it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And then this whole argument about it with Jeremy Redder. And I'm like, fucking don't give it to him, Jeremy. What are you doing? It's the dumbest thing I've ever done. Make them earn it. Yeah. I think, you know, you're kind of there for the vibes. You're there for the stunts.

How many action franchise plots are you like they nailed that one? Yeah, I know. I know. I'm just, I'm just really. I just, it's everywhere. So I'm being contrarian. I know. I just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was

just watching them and I'm just like I'm kind of bored that's all. No I mean I've heard this new one is like two hours, 50 minutes. All chastings. I heard the first 90 or just like a slog and the plots all over the place. Okay. So I'm ahead of the curve. Okay.

All right. I'm sure a lot of people with that said, the stunts look insane. Yeah, that's what John Wick got right. Just do that. Take everything else out. Why I'm going to the movie. And what John Wick does really cool is it's very stylized. There's a there is a visual style that you associate

with John Wick. It's these like dark color. It's like it's always dark. These like neon blues and reds. Everything's like wet at night on the street. It's just cool. Yeah. It's like they're chopping up sushi or there's not fights. It's like Russian ballet or shit. They're having a battle in a giant knife museum. They're always in nightclubs.

Yeah. It's just like really cool. Eastern European nightclubs. I feel like I'm scrolling even though I'm not scrolling when I watch John Wick. It's great. It's flashing lights. Yeah. Yes. Anyway, that's all. All right. I love the eyes with it's front of Johnwick for the dialogue. There's no good dialogue like in John Witt.

I know a lot of people have been asking. It's like Rogers. Many people are saying. That is a cool line, but literally most of the movie, he's like, no. I'm excited for ballerina. I'm going to go see that next week. That'll be sick. A couple emails here.

Actually, we got a few. The topic of this email is pretty great. I have no idea where this is going. Selena Gomez Oreos? Oh, that one's it. It's Selena Gomez's Oreos. Like a flavor? Yeah.

Let's guess the flavor, D.K. Oh, yeah, sure. I don't think I should. I don't think I should guess. Is it like the Gwyneth Paltrow candle or is it different? I don't know. Are you, I can tell him. Craig.

Is it like Anthony and Kevin Garnett? The Chias? The Gwyneth, the Gwyneth Peltro candle. smells like a vagina? What was it? Specifically her vagina. Her vagina. Right. Correct. Sorry. Not just any vagina. No. How would you quantify how all of the, you know,

a particular of hers? Yeah, okay. Let's guess, though. What would Selena Gomez? I don't think. I don't think there's a way I can win this one. I'm going to go with, um, do want a hint? Yeah, give me a hint. Well, the hint is just any time there's, like, famous people attached, they just make it sugary. So, like, when it's Ted Lassau with Jennings, they do like butter. Sugar.

It's sugar. It's just loaded. It's a very sugary flavor. I'm going to say chocolate. Chocolate's cinnamon flavored. And there is chocolate. And so the cookies are chocolate cinnamon and come into it with five music inspired designs, as well as go in as the signature. Inside, there are two different flavored creams.

One is chocolate cinnamon. The other is sweet and condensed milk, dapple, and cinnamon sugar. I mean, I'd eat that. Yeah. Chocolate and cinnamon don't go to me. Well, I think Oreo spent a lot of fucking money testing it and decided it works. So it's kind of like the Tom Cruise movie. Like, how many chocolate cinnamon desserts can you think of?

Orchata? Churros? Orchata's not chocolate. Churros. Churros is the answer. Yeah, but that's the only if you dip the churro and chocolate. That sounds delicious. Well, yeah, that's the best way to enjoy churot.

Cinnamon and chocolate. This is coming back around. What's the other thing Craig didn't like with chocolate? I don't like mint and chocolate. That's fine. I like, I'm okay with that. I like a Yorker. No, Craig's the one who doesn't like fucking chocolate and peanut butter in a movie theater.

He's like, why are you eating it, Psycho? I don't, that didn't say it in like the flavor. I just think like pounding a, you know. He said a lot of reason pieces. Before the movie starts. Before the trailers even run, what the Cic is a bit much. Please.

This is like, this is the whole argument of like tipping picks during the draft versus not. I'm like, I just want the fucking chocolate in my mouth. as soon as possible. DK's like elbow deep in a bucket of Reese's pieces while an AT&T ad is playing before the trailers even start. That's making me enjoy

the fucking boring part and then I can enjoy the movie and I don't have to worry about you. The entire NBA playoffs is like what someone points out to me and I can't get out my head now is no basketball game start on time. Yeah, yeah.

Which I think I knew, but I'd never thought about how... It's like 10 minutes. Every, no, it's like 16 sometimes. Every football game starts sometime. Which I'd never thought about. That was very Bill Simmons of you. What?

It's not 10 minutes. It's 16. No, they did. Someone did a graph chart. Like someone charted it. They actually did data. And it was like on average, the average game is like 11 minutes late or something. Which I never thought about until I'm like, I'm feeling I'm in a movie.

Like I told Jackie we to put this on at 830. So I turned on 820 and it's like 840. The game isn't started. I'm like, I feel stupid. Anyway. Yeah. I went to a movie with my buddy the other day. We were like literally 30 minutes late in the movie had started.

We were like, what the fuck? What am I doing? What movie did you see? Black Bag. Oh yeah. Did you like it? Yeah, it was really good. It was fun. But we were like legit, we were having dinner beforehand and drinks and then we had like one more drink, got our bill.

And then we had to walk over and we were just like, oh, we're so fucking late. We were, I think honestly we sat in our seats like 30 minutes late for the movie. And it was still just all the bullshit that happens before. Okay. A couple other things here. So last week we were talking about names And we talked we were talking about the guy Greg whose parents spelled his name as birth certificate

G-E-R-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G. So he was name was Gurg. Yeah. And I believe we were told on Blue Sky that actually That we were wrong. The name of the birth certificate was actually Gurgary. Correct. So it wasn't GERG.

We were at the error. It was GERG. It was great. Gergerie. Mm-hmm. So shout up to GERG. He briefly had a career in Hollywood as a stunts. man.

Yeah. Dude. And then Tom Cruz took his job. That's right. Tom Cruise is like, I'm just going to do that myself. Gurgged him. Tom Cruise might win an Oscar one day,

his first Oscar for a stunt. I will say it's ridiculous to stunt people don't get Oscars. Yeah, they absolutely should get Oscars. Totally agree. You're the only people risking their fucking lives. How are they not getting awards? I don't know.

Although I believe the talent won't win the Oscar. I think it is the coordinators who will. But I'm sure Cruz counts as a stunt coordinator. at this point. Yeah. Okay. So Gurg. Gurg.

I like how immediately after talking about Gurg, we had multiple people email us that were like, I know Gurg. Yeah. So a lot of people emailed us also to say that Dekin, I missed an opportunity to call Craig, Kirk. Kerg. I feel like. Kierlberg.

Miscpelling Gregory is more understandable than misspelling Greg. It's just more letters. I actually can't explain it, but I, Grigree. Gergerie is more understandable than misspelling Greg. Because you're thinking about the last ending. You're doing it. You get distracted.

Your husband. But I believe what actually happened was it wasn't the parents who wrote the name down. It was like the doctors did and then they didn't notice. They presented the parents with it. It said Gergerie. And they didn't realize that until like 15 years into the guy's life. Right. So he goes by Greg.

And they decided to keep it, but he still goes by Greg. Yeah. I liked it earlier. when I thought he went by Gerg. It was funnier when we thought his name. He went by Gerg. Gerg. Yeah, that was much funnier.

Real heads know him as Gerg. So this one is from Brian. Brian. Be bone. I literally almost dropped my phone. Oh, that's the only one that doesn't work. Be bone. Be bone.

Be bone. Be bone. I literally almost dropped my phone during the questions last episode when the Gerg story came up because one of my best friend's birth certificate reads Betten, Greig, G-R-I-E-G-G. Greg. G-R-I...

Oh, yeah, shit. Kyi, mute that. Shouldn't have raised full fucking name. Hold on, here's his social security number two. Okay. Mothers made it, yeah. Kai mute the fucking his last name.

That's fine. So his middle name is Greg. G-R-I-E-G-G-G. Wow. And the backstory is Greg, Greig is a twin. And I guess, and this is Brian's email. In Kentucky, in the 90s,

they made you write the baby's name ASAP. But the dad's nervous because the twin sister is now like literally on its way out. So the dad misspells the name. But instead of fixing the spelling when he realized it, the dad just lied for 18 years and said Grieg, G-R-I-E-G-G was an old family Scottish way of spelling Greg. And just told him that his whole life. And on his 18th birthday, the dad handed him an envelope.

And his 18th birthday present was a corrected birth certificate. So he got a corrected birth certificate and his twin sister got a private plane ride. Those are their birthdays. She got a private plane ride and he got his birth certificate fixed. And it's his middle name, you said? Yes. I feel like at that point you've got to just own it. Grieg.

Grieg. Yeah. I don't like it. Greg. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's Scottish. Craig, can you do the Mike Myers from So I Married an Axe Murder? Oh.

Kid! I think a fat bastard Yeah well yeah same deal It's all the same Shrek yeah Oh yeah Shrek I guess all of his Scottish He just loves doing Scottish

Don't get All right yeah so I went to Europe You saw Skippy in Europe Yeah I saw your wife You freaking guys hung out without me in Europe Dude we got fucked up Assholes Two party

So I went to yeah we got dude Yeah the boat was awesome But yeah so Went to Paris Jackie was in Geneva Like a few years Like she lived in Geneva for a little bit. So we went to Geneva and she showed me around.

So then we went to Nice. Saw your wife Skippy and her friend Maggie. And then actually we, we made Ratatoui. And by we, I mean like Skippy and I got drunk while Maggie and Jackie made Ratatoui. I love that. You guys were in charge of the drinks. And they were in charge of the dinner. Yeah.

And then I went to Monaco. Went to the Grand Prix in Monaco. The F1 race. Monaco. It was sick. I'm not going to lie. It was pretty epic. What was the big takeaway from watching?

Was it F1? F1, yeah. So the Monaco Grand Prix, and then I went to the Monaco after. I think I'm the first person in human history to make money going to that ice.

Did your eyeball bleed a little? Were you doing like the James Bond stuff? Oh, like the Monacoa? Now I wish. Lechief, whatever, yeah. La Chiefe. That's it. Love that movie.

The Montacarlo is sick. One of a hundred bucks playing Blackjack. Did not pay for a ticket, which was sick. I snuck, I did, you would appreciate this. I snuck into a ticketed area. Of course.

And so I went, like, there was like this place is called La Roche where you kind of overlook the whole city and you actually can get a really good look at them coming around the harbor and it snuck in that area so I didn't pay and just watched it from there and it was pretty awesome. It's wanted by Intrapole now. Yeah, I know. Watch that be the thing that brings the show down.

And then it was awesome. I'm not going to lie. It was really cool. The cars are so loud. That's what I was going to ask. Is it like, is the number one impression of watching those races just how fucking loud they are? Unbelievable. dude. Honestly, not even watching the race.

I trained from Nice. Everyone trains from Nice. No one stays in Monaco because, you know, it's small and there's a thousand parking spaces in the entire country. So you train in and I get out of the train station. And it's kind of like Super Bowl level security, but for the entire city. It's so hard to get around. I mean, there's a racetrack in the city and security around the racetrack. So getting around's crazy.

I take one step out of the train station and it's like banchees. It's like, but it's like, I'm like far from the track. And it's all you hear anywhere in the city. It's crazy. So, yeah, the volume of the car is just like the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth thing you think about. But honestly, it's just a vibe. It's crazy. You're just walking around.

It's just everyone. It's real, it was really cool. How fancy is the clientele? Okay. I'm glad you asked. Did you wear a suit? I wore a nice ass outfit. I'm not going to lie.

I wore a fancy shirt and white pants. My friends make fun of me and call it my own Miami cocaine dealer outfit, my 80, Miami Vice outfit. but I was so I wanted so there was like legitimate just people who come like F1 fans like normal people then I went to the Montacarlo which is a 10 minute walk that took me an hour shout out to the people who helped me get there walked all the way there and then didn't bring their passports couldn't gamble and walked around for an hour in the heat but I get to the Montecarlo it is I'm sure there is better people watching somewhere in the world but I don't know where it is like the people watching at the Montecarlo after the Monaco Grand Prix is like the best people watching you ever see.

I went on Saturday. So I didn't go for the race. I went for the qualifying because the moniker, the way F1 works, I'm not an expert. But basically at Monaco, the race, no one passes. It's like cool that it goes to the city. But there's no place to pass the cars. Right. So the order of qualifying is more or less the order that you finish the race.

So who wins is actually kind of determined in Saturday and qualifying. So I just went to that. That's interesting. Okay. And so because that's really what happened. what's going on. And also I was like, I just wanted, I was like in Nice randomly on Saturday night. And I was like, I should go to this. And I was like, Jackie, do you want to go? And she was like, no. And so I was like, ah, well, I'm going to go. Hi Fitz just went solo. So I went solo. So I went

where is Miami Vice suit. Yeah. I brought sunscreen in a portable charger. And I, and so, but I went, I went to the Monte Carlo. It is unbelievable. The Montecarlo is, I mean, I guess for those who don't know, It's honestly, it's like the... Is it on the water? Yes. It's like if gambling had a Vatican City. I think that's really the best way I was playing the Montecarlo.

It is like Versailles. It's like this giant room. It is unbelievably ornate. Somehow the minimums for Blackjack were $25. Wow. So I was going to ask that. So I was a little worried that I was going to play. They were 50 in New Orleans.

I know, dude. I know. It was less than the fucking Super Bowl. So I fucking sat down. Well, so the first, so the guy walked with me, I felt so bad. These guys walked all the way. Shout out to Wendy and Chris,

and they walked all this way. Wendy? The professional basketball player? Yeah, Wemby, yes. Got, oh,

yeah. And so anyway, they get all the, so they give me 50 euros. And they're like, can you please just put this on black for me? And I'll like, and if I win,

like, Venmo of them. So the first thing I do is I do that when I walk in. Yeah. From Philly. And so I do that first thing when I walk in, win. Like,

that's a good sign. So then, and it's not like another casino. you can't put cash on the table. You have to go and get the cashier and everything. But then I sit down a blackjack and I win quickly. And I get a martini. And I'm walking around the first person.

The first person I meet is this like 70 year old guy. It's like a Belichick situation. He's like 70, 75. His wife is like 19. And he's like, hey, we're on her honeymoon. And I'm like, oh my, and we're at the craps table. The craps table was not open. This is this man's third family.

Well, so I was like, oh, dude, I know. So I'm like, what are you doing here? I'm like, oh, my fiancee. She didn't really want to come. He's like, no, it's not too late to get another one. Yeah. Certainly. I didn't know what to say to that.

He's like, oh, I'm just kidding. And so we start talking about, you know. Wink, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Yeah. So then, anyway, a lot of very interesting people at the Montecarlo. But it was. I love that. Unlike any other place I've ever been in my entire life.

I love that you were there alone. I know. That's the best part. Yeah. I'm just sitting there playing blackjack. Heifitz in his fucking element right there. It was pretty fucking sick. But yeah, the rest of the trip, honestly, the craziest thing I did in Paris, Jack and I'd been before, so we didn't do the Louvre, because we didn't have that much time.

And the Louvre is like a monster. I heard that if you saw, if you saw every piece in the Louvre for six seconds and you did not eat, drink or sleep, it would take you over a week to see everything in the Louvre. A week? Yes. That's how much shit is. It's the biggest museum in the world. And so instead, we went to the catacombs and I had Skippy go too. The catacombs in Paris are one of the.

craziest things I've ever done in my entire life. Yeah. The catacot, can you explain to me in, like, give me the elevator pitch, why they have just thousands of skulls and, like, skeletons lining the walls underneath Paris? Basically, Paris is made of limestone. And so they were mining, and they had too many mines. They just mined too much limestone, but it wasn't organized. So you have mines under mines, under roads, and shit was collapsing.

So they have this huge problem. And then on the other side, they have, like, we kind of. all these dead bodies. All these dead bodies. The cemeteries are overflowing, bones, blood, spilling in the markets, mass graves. So, like, nothing's decomposing properly. And it's like, so someone genius is like, let's put the fucking bones in the mines. And they do that.

And they just shove them down. That is so, like, something you'd read from, you know, like George Martin or like, it's like Game of Thrones-esque. There are millions of bones in the catacombs. It is so unnerving. And it's like, it's kind of. hastily done because it's surrounded by like poetry and all this stuff. But I have never felt like my breath better than walking through.

I go to my Instagram story. I have like just parent the trip as a highlight Instagram story. And it's unbelievable. But there's just skulls and the only bones. Everything else is kind of like dust. How old are these bones? Are they still contributing bones? Hundreds of years old.

Okay. I think they started it in probably like to 1600s. But it's mass graves from like. a thousand years. It's like a thousand years of skulls and femurs and someone called it the temple of equality and just the idea that everyone is equal in form of death and there's, I don't know. It's

honestly like ego death walking through there. You're like oh my god, this is all you end up. Your death app probably had a blast. Dude, I did discover there and it was like, okay, my work here's done. Yeah, I was like no quotes for today. We don't need one quote. No, there's a good quote. No, there's one quote that was unbelievable. It's a French poem

and it, again. Explain the death app in case people don't know what that is. Oh, God. I have an app on my phone called Weakroke. It's the best doll I've ever heard. Shout out Kiros Wisher, who suggested it. And it just is in Bhutan, they say that contemplating death five times a day brings happiness. Kind of like a resetting expectations thing. It's like nihilism. Yeah. And I get five push notifications every day that are just like a quote about death. You know, just you prep. It's kind of like, you know, Tom Cruise, you know, competence. I don't think he's prepping for death at all, actually.

No, he's trying to never die. Yeah. But there was this quote in the catacombs, and it was this French poem and it was like everything in life, grace, beauty, talent, love is an ephemeral flower overturned by the slightest wind. And it's literally on a wall of like 50 skulls. It's fucking nuts. It's like a kilometer of just bones. Like the walls are made of bones. It's unbelievable.

It's wild. But no, it was an amazing trip. And then also Skippy taught me rat ball. So we tried rat ball. I've never played. which is a drinking game. God, we had the best time. We made Rattahooie, and then we played Ratball.

And Rap Ball, basically, I don't know what the real rules are, but here's what Skippy did. We put two cups on the ground, and we were bowling a lime into the ball off the deck, and then, like, we had to find the cup, and then drink and chug. I don't know, but your wife's a great time. Taking out of context could be weird to say,

but I appreciate that. Hyphitz just continues to say, like, we had a great time. Yeah. All right, calm down, pal. Monaco was special Let's just say that A nice that I'll never forget

Yeah No they did They facetive me from From their balcony and niece Great time or not your You guys didn't stay with them But yeah Well

As far as I know I mean Jackie was there Yeah Who is she? Who is she? That's Skippy's line Every time I'm texting She goes

Who is she? And it's always you guys So we got High Fitz and Jackie and Maggie and Skippy It's kind of a Stefan Degg situation Maybe What did they? With the boat, yeah, Tisi

I know, but bottom line I was very jealous that you guys get to hang out And freaking niece I know what are they guys? It's time to work that incredibly The timing was pretty crazy All right Should we probably get out of here?

Oh, we did get a lot of emails About how you'd never played a fucking game on your phone Yeah Maybe download one right now Yeah, I'm trying to remember if I was lying about that. Can you download three games for me and then give us a report next week? Well, people were like, I was on your side and then you were like, I've never played

snake on Nokia and everyone was like, I was out. It was like, all right, fuck this guy. What? I was out. I'm just saying, I don't think I've ever played. I want you to play Fruit Ninja, QR, and Doodle Jump. Fruit Ninja. Maybe a Temple Run.

Just listening to those names makes me mad. Dude, fruit Ninja is unbelievable. What was the third one? Temple Run. Doodle Jump. Doodle jump. makes me physically ill. Doodle Jump is phenomenal.

Great good. Huge fan of doodle jump. I'm not trying to be like, hoity-toity. I waste a ton of time, all right? I just don't play games. I waste so much time in other ways.

You know many dynasty? I'm not like working out. I'm not doing the whole like influencer thing where I'm like, by the time 6 a.m. rolls around. I'm on day three. That's my favorite clip,

I think, in the history of the internet. And we're going to find that for next one. Slitting the day up into days. Yeah. The guy who lives four days in every day. 3 a.m. to 8 a.m. That's day one. But I don't think you know how time works.

I don't think you know what that means. Yeah. He's like, by 5 p.m. I'm on day four. I'm not saying that. I'm wasting time in other ways. That's a good thing. Dekin, what is your favorite video ever? My favorite video ever?

Yeah. Like, I, if you could pick one internet. And not the ones you watch in the woods. No, yeah. Man, hold on. Let me go back to your my Rolodex here. The Spang video, if you will. He's a really hard question.

Oh, man. That's a tough question. I'm going to have to think about that one. I know mine. It's really dumb. It's really stupid. It's just this dog that's, you know, those little, like, backpacks people have on the front where you can hold the dog?

Yeah. This person's on a bike. And the dog thinks it's walking. Oh. So the person's peddling and it's this puppy who's like walking in the air and it thinks it's helping. And nothing makes me laugh. That's your favorite video ever. Yes.

Yes. I feel like those are a dime a dozen. Yeah. No. It's the best one. It's just sitting there walking and it thinks it's fucking moving. They do it all the time. They hold the dogs over like a pool and he paddling.

Yeah. It's my favorite thing. thinks it's going. Oh my God. Yeah, that's the best. I'll try and think of one. All right. That's probably enough.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, awesome. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Wendy and Chris for getting me to the Monte Carlo. Did you give me their money? I did.

I sent it to him. Van Menden principal there. Yeah. Thank you, Lord. Lauren. Thank you, Selena Gomez. Nice. Cinnamon chocolate

DK, do you consider her more of an actor or a singer in your head? Singer. I think she has to be more of an actress now, right? No, it's actually the opposite. I don't know. Can you name a show or movie she's in

versus can you name a single song? Favorite or what is it? Favorite? No, murders. Only murders in the building? Only murders in the building. All right, can you name one song she's made? No, let's see

You would know them I mean I could recognize them Yeah I feel like nobody knows the names to all those like Right You know House songs from like the mid-2010s Is this a Selena go my song

When You're ready come and get it? Yes Is that a Selena go my song? Yes That's the first one I thought When you're ready come and get it Nah nah nah Yeah yeah yeah

Yeah Or doesn't she have the We were sipping Whiskey needs You know that one? I had a dream. We were young in 17. Oh, was that her?

I didn't know that. Is that not her? I mean, I'm not saying that you're wrong. Oh, yeah, it ain't me by her and Kygo. That's a good one. What is Kygo going to make that Christmas album? You know, somebody told me, was it Kygo or that somebody,

some like house artists made a Christmas album. Oh, really? Sherr's Christmas album was pretty rocking. DJ play a Christmas song by Cher is a bang. We need Kygo to just make something that's just like that. I want 14 of those. Punch that into chat GPT. That'll make it for you.

Careful what you wish for. You guys want to get into that? Craig. Don't open Pandora's box. I've never seen a person who's more interested in AI than if it's. That's not. There's a lot of people. Well, second only to Sam Bankman or whatever his name is. No, you're thinking of Sam.

He's the crypto guy. Yeah. Sorry. Although I bet you SBF is in a day. I was going to say. I was right up his alley. I read the SBF book. Underrated guy.

Got a bad rap. Okay. You read the book? Well, Michael Lewis wrote a book about it. Yeah, you should do your own research on that with SBF, DK. Yeah, you should do your own research. Nanobots. Nanobots.

There's something to those. Yeah. If he starts talking about whether birds are real, I'm in. The birds aren't real conspiracy is my favorite. I have to just send you guys the clip of Rogers saying, you hear about this nanobots in the COVID vaccine thing? And Rogan goes, yeah, I don't know about that. What if Rogan's whole show just turned into that?

He's like, I think that's a little crazy, actually. Makes you think. Makes you think. All right. Goodbye, everyone.