The Ringer NFL Show - NFL Trade Deadline Reactions, and Power Ranking the Best Fantasy Buy-Lows

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

Power Hour! Discussing which NFL trade deadline moves are the most important and a handful of fantasy buy-low candidates, including Josh Dobbs quantum-leaping to the Vikings, the Commanders’ fire sale, why you should trade for Tony Pollard, and much more (1:24). “You guys want to do some emails?” (48:17) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! Josh Dobbs stars in 'Quantum Leap' for the Vikings (4:21) The Washington Commanders: “You get a defensive end! You get a defensive end!” (7:09) Who won the trade: Heifetz (Giants) or DK (Seahawks)? (12:50) The rich get richer, a.k.a. the Eagles stole another star player from the Titans (15:32) Never wrong, just early with Donovan Peoples-Jones (18:22) #FreeDavanteAdams (26:50) Chris Olave is this year’s Diontae Johnson (30:02) [whispers] sell high on Jahmyr Gibbs (32:21) The Bengals are back and maybe so is Tee Higgins (35:18) We’re doubling down on Tony Pollard (38:22) Trevor Lawrence is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma (41:10) Chris Godwin is worth it for his high floor alone (44:39) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? It's Austin Rivers from Offguard, and I've got some exciting news. Offguard hosted by me and my guy Pasha Gigi is officially moving to our own podcast feed. We are now dropping two shows every week. Me and Pasha go way back and talk so much hoops already that we figured it was time to fire up the mics and let you in on these conversations. Every week, Pasha and myself will hit on the biggest stories happening around the league. Tap into the show twice a week on our new Offguard feed on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Football show. my name is Danny Hyattitz and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldek and today it is Power Hour where every Wednesday we are power ranking something for the season and today we're actually doing a two-fer.

We're going to power rank the trades that were made at the trade deadline in the real NFL and we're going to give by low trade candidates for fake football and fantasy football guys that people are kind of upset with that you can just pry and then just win your league with. So we're going to we're going to it's that easy. Yeah, there you go. Just win the league. But that is that way. You have to stick around for the second list. Make one trade. Profit. Boom. Just two steps.

So we're going to do this power hour style. If you're not familiar with power hour, it's very simple. After two minutes, you can hear this song from Tom Tom Club, which we couldn't get cleared on Fandall TV. So if Fandall TV, you'll hear something else, or maybe we'll just drop in Kai's singing Tom, Tom, Club instead. We never did get the answer from lawyers about how bad Kai's rendition would be that we couldn't get sued for using the music.

So email us to bring your fantasy football. if you're a lawyer who could answer how bad a copy of a song has to be. Like, if I sang Fantasy by Mario Carrey but I'm tone deaf, like, would that be fine? We don't know. I think if you sang it, it'd probably be fine. Also, like, Kai would, because not profiting off of it, right? So I think it's fine. We'll find out.

But without further ado, you guys want to just hop into it? Just do a little trade deadline power hour here. Yeah. How would you guys grade this trade deadline? I thought it was pretty boring. Boring. Yeah, there was no Christian McCaffrey to the 49ers. Like, this was, I don't know.

I mean, honestly, you tell me, what was the biggest trade of the day? We'll start with, we could vote on it. Which was Josh Jobs to the Vikings, the actual most impactful in terms of our day-to-day lives. Like, it's not as sexy as Washington trading way two defensive ends, but there's a quarterback we'll watch every week. Our day-to-day lives, sure, because we cover fantasy football. I think it is important. I would say the most important one by far, though, is probably the 49ers getting Chase Young. But from fantasy point of it, who cares?

Yeah. I'd say the biggest bummer was that the Titans didn't do anything. DeAndre Hopkins and Derek Henry remain on the Titans. Do you think if Will Levis had a terrible game, they would have traded DeAndre Hopkins and Derek Henry? I think the Derek Henry thing was more that no one wanted to acquire him for the price that it was worth giving him up. Like I think that if the Titans, whether or not Levis was good,

I think the problem is Derek Henry, is he someone you can trade for and then give him nine carries a game? I feel like you have to just, at some way, if you're giving Derek Henry 20 carries a game, that's, well, I mean, that's half the plays in a game sometimes. So, I mean, I don't know how many teams were like, yeah, we're going to just build the whole thing around them. I mean, when you look at the compensation on some of these trades anyway, it's like six rounders, a swap of six and seventh rounders. You know, Chase Young, a young ascending pass thrusher who is like one of the better pass thrusters in the NFL this year.

It's like a third rounder. I bet you, you know, we always get upset that teams didn't trade these star players. Like I was upset that Denver didn't trade Jerry Judy. And, you know, just go down the list. but I think probably for the most part, the offers are atrocious. It's like when you're in a fantasy league with someone and you'd get like the worst offer.

It's like offensive so much that you're like, screw this person. I'm definitely not taking this trade. I'd rather just go down with ship and have my team be bad than take this trade. So I think that's probably something to like something happening like that in the NFL too. That's definitely Howie Roseman, the Eagles GM, is definitely just texting Sean Payton like,

hey, I'll give you a sixth or seventh round swap. In 2025. Yeah, give me Jerry Judy. We could just like swap seven. He's like, Steph Curry for James Hardin? Thoughts, Warriors? Okay, so why don't we just start with the Josh Dobbs one,

which is probably not the biggest one? But I just think it's quantum leap. It just kind of fascinates me. The new season of Quantum Leap is upon us. Cardinals get a sixth rounder. Vikings get Josh Dobbs and his seventh. Josh Dobbs's not exactly a headliner here, but one, quantum leap where I just think it's honestly fascinating

that one person has now been dropped into two different NFL teams on not even weeks, but days notice and be like, you're a starting quarterback now? Three. He did it last year with the Steelers. This is his third time. In 12 months. He's three times.

Sorry, with the Titans. No, from the Steelers. He's like a demon in a horror film and he like needs a new host body every like eight weeks to take over. It doesn't sound like he's going to start this week though. He's going to get a whole week to prepare. A whole week?

Yeah. Here's my stupid question. The Cardinals bench Josh Dobbs, right? Now, are we saying that they benched him because they knew they were going to trade him? Because it sounds like they're. benched him and then the Vikings were like, my question being like, what's the point of having, the Vikings have three backup quarterbacks? And they're like, no, we did a fourth cat in the wall. It's like, it's always sunny. I'm like, what is even the point of having three backup quarterbacks?

If when your quarterback goes down, they're like, no, we don't even want these guys. Here's the deal. Their first backup is Jared Hall, who is a fifth round rookie. And they clearly don't believe he's ready to go. This is like a Malik Willis type situation with the Titans. They just clearly didn't believe Malik Willis was ready to go. So that's why they traded for Josh Dobbs, because he was just more pro ready, more experienced, you know, just more able to run an offense in an NFL game because it's chaotic. The second guy they have is Nick Bolins, who is on the injured reserve this week. So he's useless to them this week.

And then the third guy they have is Sean Mannion, I think. And obviously, they just see Josh Dobbs as a big upgrade over that. Josh Dobbs is getting real NFL snaps and real NFL games all year long. Like he has that experience. I actually kind of get it from the Vikings point of view. Yeah. Does this make – they didn't pay anything. Does this make sense for fantasy?

Does this make you feel better about Jordan Addison and then eventually the in Jefferson, he comes back. Absolutely. Because Josh Dobbs was able to keep Marquis Brown fantasy relevant somewhat. He was able to keep the tight end somewhat relevant. You know, it's not going to be like elite or anything like that. But it's much better than the alternative, which was going to be one of these backups. This falls firmly in the, it's literally better than nothing category.

Wait, Kai, the timer didn't go off. It's going to have to sing again. I think you might have to, this is not a bit, by the way. You played it before the show and it worked. And now here we are again. actually absurd at this point. Like, I really, I left, I came back to get it to work, like, all right.

Here we go. Oh, but-da, but-da-but-da. Oh, I feel so bad for Kai. Kai, just play it in post. It's all right. Sounds great. That sounds much preferable. This is like the bit of the century. You're going to like let this go. We don't want Kai to get sued. I don't know. Worst things have happened. Okay, next up here.

Honestly, we just put, we could do these one at a time, but we might as well talk about both. maybe just throw four minutes on the clock here, Kai, that Washington trades Chase Young to the 49ers, and then Washington gets a third round compensatory pick from the Niners, which long story, short, will probably be like 100th overall. And then they also traded to the Bears, Montes Sweat, their other defensive end. So half the first round picks that Washington had the defensive end on the defensive line.

Monteswick goes to the Bears. Washington gets a second rounder from Chicago for them. So it's pretty huge difference. Like a Chicago second rounder's top 40 pick. and then a San Francisco compensatory pick, that's the 100th pick. So, D.K, there's so much nitty gritty you can get into, but like just start with the basics.

Who do you think is like a better player right now, Chase Young or Montes Sweat? Because Chase Young was coming off an ACL injury. Yeah. That was weird in multi-year. But who's like, who would you rather have regardless of money? I think right now Chase Young, I would rather have. I think the reason that Montes Sweat got more in,

or sorry, they got more in return for Montes-Swed, Washington did it, was because, number one, he's played for longer, he has more experience, more reps, more just tape is out there for them to evaluate. And I think there's far less of a injury concern here because I think with, Chase Young, there's still a pretty major concern over the long-term health of his knee. And so I think that, I think the sticker shock is very dramatic. To me, it's like, whoa, the, you know, obviously the 49ers are getting a massive steal, which was my first impression. And I think they are actually getting good. For context, this is almost exactly.

the pick that the Giants got for Gaderius Tony from the Chiefs, like 100th-ish overall, a compensatory pick at the end of the third round. Chase Young getting reunited with Nick Bosa. It's like, it just pisses me off. The 49ers, why do the, why does teams keep letting the 49ers get away with this? They traded for...

It's a real rich get richer on the defensive line for the nineers. It felt like the secondary is where they needed more work, and instead they just decided to double down on the defensive line. It's also, by the way, third round picks, late round, compensatory third round picks are basically worth nothing. That's like... That's what the 90s took a kicker with.

Jake Moody was like the 97th pick. And so getting a guy who is ascending right now, he's like playing his best football of his career. He's healthy, at least right now. This is almost like a no-lose situation for the 49ers. And that's why as a Seahawks fan, it pisses me off. It's like, why didn't team? Doesn't anyone have a third rounder laying around that they can give

someone other than the 49ers? That's where I'm confused. Somebody step up. I totally agree with you on the surface, D.K., where it's like Chase Young, you look at this. This was the second overall pick in the draft. universally everyone's like the worst cases he'll be above average he didn't get delivered on the promise he's been hurt the one thing i'll say is barring complete negligent

everyone knew he was on the trade block so i'm kind of like if any other team had offered a third rounder in theory you're like they would have taken that because this is like the last this is as low of a third rounder you can imagine yeah yeah it's basically a fourth round because it's like it's between the third and fourth round really third's a fake it's like three and a half round so the rest of the other 30 teams clearly don't think he's legit the other side of the trade though so the other trade they made washing sending monta sweat to the bears i'm kind of confused by this and i'm willing to be open-minded to being wrong but my initial take was i just don't get it like last year the bears traded their second round pick which ended being 33rd overall so functionally

in first rounder joey porter junior yeah yeah joey porter junior who's already a starting quarter for the steelers and won them a game when already has a game winning pick for chase claypool who then had exactly two catches for 20 yards per game over the rest of the year, and they let go, and they traded away to the Dolphi for nothing. Yeah. So this isn't as bad as that, but if the bears have the most cap space in the NFL going into next season, why wouldn't you just sign a defensive end like Montes Sweat, who's going to be a free agent, or just a similar player, and then just keep your second round pick? Like, what am I missing? I think it's the idea that they have more control over this situation because he's going to be in-house. But at the same time, it's like,

he doesn't actually have to sign with them either. You know what I mean? They haven't signed into an extension prior to the signing, right? Right. Or at least that we know of. Maybe this changes by the time we come out. Kai, you're going to sing? No, he's not.

He's not. He doesn't want legal action take upon him. Oh, there is. I'm locked in. I'm back. Perfect. Thanks, Kai. Of course.

Well, I'm going to disrespect Kai for a moment. Yeah. The way this works, like this was the, like when you make a huge trade for a player, you want to get the contract extension done. because the problem was Laramie Tunsell, when we went to the Texans, they gave it three first, and Laramie Tonsel's there. And he's like, hey, guess what do you want? You want to give it three first?

And then I play six games for you and then walk away. And then you get not, you know what I mean? Like, that's a disaster. They have all the leverage. So you do the extension through the agent, even though you technically not allowed. Everyone does it anyway. So I'm like, there's a chance where Montez Sweat is like, actually I want a big beta. I don't want to play for Chicago.

And then in theory, they could give up the second run pick and then he just leaves. I think, I think to me, if it's Occum's razor here is that this is just a poorly run. organization. I mean, I think we don't have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Look at the Chase Claypool trade. Like, why would we give them the benefit of the doubt here? I don't agree. I agree with you. I don't really like this trade either. I think it's, number one, it's like he's, why even need, you don't need to help this year anyway. Like you be better off losing this year. Also, again, it's the, literally, even if you're the Bears, you could give up your fourth rounder. That's like 12 picks later than what the Niners gave.

And just throw in another fourth rounder in 2025. It just gets, Chase Young. I don't understand. Like, it's just whatever. I don't know. Honestly, the Seahawks are going to get sold to Jeff Bezos and then someone very rich can buy the Bears and then they'll be good. But Washington, I think they did good, getting picks with these guys. They weren't going to pay anyway. Okay. Sorry to disrespect you, Kai.

D.K., our team's made a trade. We haven't addressed. I know. We haven't even talked about this. This is the first time. Yeah. Giants traded Leonard Williams to the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks get Leonard Williams and then they're getting them on a $650,000 salary. Right. The Giants get a second round pick and a future fifth rounder. But the Giants are eating 17 million.

of the salary. So I think a way to think of it is this is basically like the Giants were like, we'll give you Leonard Williams for the Seahs. We'll give you a third for Leonard Williams. And the Giants were like, how about we pick up the $17 million tab? You get Leonard Williams for basically free, but we get a second instead of a third. And the Searx were like, sure. I'm thrilled to the Giants fan.

Dick, what's your take? How do you feel about this deal? That to me is a surefire sign. It's a bad trade for the Seahawks. Just because that was, I think, the general reaction among Giants fans was joy. Awesome. Yeah. Hell yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, that's me worried. That's worrisome as Seahawks fan if everyone's super excited that you got a second rounder. And again, this is like right along the lines of like the Ryan Poles discussion. It's like, we don't have to give the Seahawks much of a benefit of the doubt. I don't think John Schneider's all that good at negotiating for trades. They treated two first for Jamal Adams. Two first for Jamal Adams.

A first for Percy Harvin. A first for Jimmy Graham. That one definitely evens out sort of like the ledger or whatever. Like that was a absolute fleecing on John Schneider's part. and that's great. Like, awesome. But I think overall... That's like the exception

that proves the rule. That's like you just hit blackjack once, but they keep at the table, you know? Yeah, I would say overall, the Seahawks have a long history of overpaying in trades. And so at the same time, though,

I do think Leonard Williams is a good player who's going to help them. He's great. You can quibble about the price, and I'm going to. At the same time, this is a good player on a defense that's been surprisingly strong this year.

Their past rush has been better than expected, and this just adds to the price. that group and he's a very versatile guy who can line up at multiple spots on the defensive line. And so I'm excited to watch him play. I just think as usual, they pay too much. Yeah, it's a cheeky Super Bowl run for the Seahawks that they're trying to make. You know, there was excitement for about 24 hours and then the 49ers made that trade. We're back. We're back to not being Super Bowl contenders. We're pretending to be Super Bowl contenders.

Wow, disrespect. That's crazy. Sorry, Guy. Good job. Yeah, this is, this Tom Tom Talks back. That's, that's, that's what we're here for. Sassy Tom Tom. This one has a mind of its own. Tom, Tom, bit my head off. It's funny that your division rival got potentially a better player for,

oh, he's probably not, but Chase Young's probably not better. Also, by the way, Chase Young's cap hit is, like, lower than Leonard Williams. And he's about six years younger. Well, that's what's weird is that the Niners, like Washington also took up the salary in Chase Young, but they, yeah, the picks 50 spot, 40 spots later. So, yeah, thanks for that. Yeah. Cool.

Next up, this is more of a low-key trade, but I wanted to hit it. The Eagles getting Kevin Bond. The safety from the Titans. Titans got a fifth and a six-rounder plus safety trail helmets. Eagles get Kevin Byard, who is one year removed from being all pro-safety. So the Eagles just, one, never mind the fact that I don't know why this is so funny, but like one of the few teams that are like, we're just going to keep getting better no matter how good we are.

It's just like, I don't know why that's rare. We can keep scoring points? Yeah. I think the Titans might be working for the Eagles. What do you guys think? This is all, it's like a feat, a farm team here. It's like AJ Brown. It's like the A's and the Yankees.

That's how it works. The A's develop and then send them to the Yankees. I hate this. It is like that. And I realized that when I first started covering the fantasy football, because I started covering football first and then fantasy football. I was like, this is completely different. And I've been doing this long enough.

Actually, fantasy football, and I feel exactly the same. Because the smartest teams just identify the two suckers at the table and only deal with them. And they're like, why should I waste my time dealing with the 29 teams that have a good sense of value? Howie Roseman, like, do you dude, A.J. Brown trade for a first-round pick. The group chat is an absolute uproar. everyone's like, veto, veto. And it's like, in reality, the lesson is, don't complain about the trade.

You should deal. No one's texting the Titans, despite them having given up A.J. Brown. And Howie Rosen's still going back? Hey, guys, what's up in your safety? How is no one else dealing with these people? Yes, this is exactly how I felt about the Washington and 49ers trade. I'm like, do they not have anyone else's number?

Like, shop this guy around to the rest of the league. Why are no other teams like coming in here to make this, like, not happen? That always happens in fantasy. Like a trade pops up in the group chat and everyone's like, wait, wait, wait, like, Ryan, why didn't you come to me? I would have given you a better offer. And he's like, I don't know. Like, this guy just came to me.

We made a deal. It was easy. He made me an offer and I decided to take it, you know? And the Harry Rosen's just like, yes. Like, no one's calm these guys. It's incredible. The market edge is call the people who you think make bad decisions. Yeah.

It's just, I don't know. I think that your point, though, overall of like the Eagles are never satisfied with being where they are. They're always trying to get better and better and better. Like, that is something that you don't. see it with every team for sure. A lot of teams get complacent, and I don't think the Eagles are one of those scenes. How was your best one?

That was great. No, that got me every time. I kind of never want this problem to get fixed. Well, I have to say, it's very funny because in the past, meaning last week, I was in, you know, the comfort of my own home making these sounds. And now I'm just in the office and anyone who walks by just gets to hear my terrible, terrible. So you're at the Spotify office right now? Yeah, just singing. Just saying, b'n-da-b-b-b-b. And it's just to hear. It's just a super echoey room. It's just really ideal.

I love it. I'm sure my stock is going up here. I want nothing more than Bill to walk by. And Kai's just like, but, but, he's like, we're paying this kid?

What is this? We're not paying him enough. All right. Next up here. Put it on the clock. Los Angeles Clippers acquired James Hardin. How dare you not mention Donovan People's Jones to the Lions? You want to do it?

Yeah. Mike, I was going to go in order. You want to do People's Jones first? Yeah. I love Donovan People's Jones. Jones and he was one of my sleepers this year and he was absolutely terrible and he's done nothing. And I still actually am just going to cope and decide that it's because the Browns are terrible.

But now let's go to the Lions, which I think is probably a referendum on the fact that Jameson Williams is terrible and can't catch the football. And I'm curious to see if Donovan People's Jones was right. And I was just, you know, never wrong just early. Right. We had someone on Twitter tag me and you, Hyphitz, that we're going to die on this Donovan People's Jones Hill. And I was like, well, I'd say it's more like a mound.

it's not really a hill. I couldn't really call it a hill that we're trying to die on, but we both really like him for some reason. I think he's good. He had like 800 plus yards a couple years ago. He's really fast. He's really explosive. He's big.

So I kind of like this for the lions who have Josh Reynolds, who's kind of faded a little bit over the last month. And then Marvin Jones, who had recently left the team, I think they just needed some depth. And James and William's not. And somebody big. Like they don't have a lot of little guys, you know? James Williams.

Skinny. Skinny. I'm on Ross St. Brown is small. I know they have their tight. in Sam LaPorteur, but they need a big boy out there in the red zone. And Donovan People's Jones is what, 6-5, big athletic, former five-star guy? I kind of like this for the Lions. I do you guys feel like Elijah Moore gets a bump from this or the Browns are just a disaster

through the air and it doesn't matter? I think more of the latter. Like that offense is not necessarily something that you want to bet on. I think it probably does signify a little bit, a bit of a bump for Elijah Moore, but not enough until they get me excited about it just because this offense has been such a mess. It's truly been one of the worst offenses in the NFL. So not too excited about that, but I am excited about Donovan People's Jones, at least from a football point of view to the Lions. I don't think it's a big fantasy impact, though.

What do you think, I have it? I don't think this big fantasy impact, but if Donald's the People's Jones did something, I'd. You're just trying to him and then. Bam, bap, bad up. Can't say I don't try. Yeah, that's true. You're getting better, I feel. I think so.

The reps, getting reps. Quick intermission between, we're going to get to fantasy bylaws in a second, but the James Hardin trade. I have two thoughts. Well, not through two thoughts, two questions. One. So the clip, D.K., I don't, I don't D.K.S. has it followed basketball since he was the sonics. So, Craig, let me get this straight.

Steve Bomber is one of the five richest men in the world, and he's reconstructed the best team from seven years ago. They have Paul George, Kauai Leonard, Russell, Westbrook, and James Hardin together. That's correct. They're like the West Coast Brooklyn Nets back when. Remember when the Nets got Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce and did that big trade? Clippers are kind of doing the same thing. But look, the Clippers are giving up an unprotected 2028 pick. They don't give a shit.

They're trying to win right now. And they have these four husbands who, if healthy, could actually be a little frisky. And you take the risk now. You want to be relevant now. You got a bunch of early to mid-30s somewhat in their prime superstars. And Balmer's just doubling down on it. So should we be in on this as everyone's like, oh, this won't work? with the theory of the same thing, if we need a metric system for being 30 years old,

and us, the same way we were like, hey, old guys, fantasy football. And it's like, boom, Adam Thielan, Keenan, Callie's still wrong. Like, all these old, Rahim Oster, all these old guys, does that apply? Like, is there something here? Well, it's hard to say because James Hardin doesn't like basketball. Kauai Leonard might not like basketball. Russell Westbrook likes basketball too much. And then there's Paul George.

A question that's never been answered. How much money did James Harden have to spend at a strip club until he got his name retired in the rafters. Is Jersey retired in the rafters in strip club? Like, what is the number? Is it like a million dollars? There was, oh, probably more than that. There was a lot of great, that gets you in the door.

That gets you into the discussion. The genre is a camera video with like, aside from the gun, the fact that the John Murray video that I thought it was a carpet and then I realized it was just money everywhere in the whole like this very large VIP room. Harton's going to have a blast in L.A. I'm sure he's thrilled for many reasons. My question, should Devante Adams do this with the Raiders? Should he have just been, you know, and there's all these Vegas clubs.

just having, like, you know, hostesses, even strippers just holding up signs saying, like, Josh McDaniels is a liar? Is that what, is Devante Adams, you know, did he make a mistake not doing that? It's such a bummer that the Raiders are just like, no way in hell are we traded Devante Adams. Like, I think they're trying to, like, instill confidence and, you know, show that they're a real organization. But if anything, I think that's just going to make Devante feel even worse.

Well, I feel like the reason they can't trade Devante is they gave up so much to get him and they wouldn't get that back. Right. It would be trading pennies on the dollar or whatever. Yeah, but it's better than nothing. What are they going to do with him? You know, hopefully not get fired.

Go five and 11. That's fine, I guess. I think that's the problem is that by trading Devante Adams, there is very little way that Josh McDaniels can keep his job. Right now, the main thing keeping Josh McDaniels in business is Mark David. Like coaching contracts are guaranteed, not like players. So when they fire a coach, you have to pay out the rest of the contract. It's like college.

What is that? Why are coaches contracts guaranteed? They're just because they're guaranteed. It's just, I don't know. It's just it is precedent. I feel like that's just one of those things where it's like, it is that way until it isn't. Like, couldn't just one team be like, you know what?

Not a guaranteed contract. It's going to be a team option year two. Mainly the way it works. I think the football player contract is not being guaranteed is the weird part. Like every other sport, you know, I think it's just how it is. Right. That's not true. I mean, I mean, there's like team option, player options.

Like, why isn't that a thing for coaches? There is offsetting language, Craig. I don't know if you know about that. But like if you are on a contract and you get hired or you get fired or you get fired and then you get hired by a new team, you know, you don't get all the money. It's basically like up into a point or whatever. They like split it.

Right. How much you're making a new job. Yeah, it's like if you get the, so that's why Patricia, when he was running the Patriots offense was not a coordinator. He was an assistant because if they gave him the title of coordinator, the Lions would have stopped paying him and the Patriots would have pay him. So to save money, basically,

they were like, oh, he's an assistant. And the Lions paid him to ruin the Patriots office. Matt Ruhl got fired from Carolina. And he had like three years left on his dealer or something. like that. He could have just sat around and done nothing and just made billions over the next three years, but he decided to go work really crazy ass hours for Nebraska and not get any of his Carolina money, which is just wild to me. I guess he really likes working. So wait, what do you mean? He doesn't get any of the Carolina money? That's how that works.

Well, I don't know about any, but he doesn't get what he was going to get for doing nothing. So the point being, Mark Davis doesn't have the money to fire like Josh McDaniels. He's not enough of that much money. And they already fired John Gruden. They're stuggle them. As the weather gets colder, the NFL offers stay hot on Fandall. Right now, all customers getting no sweat. Same game parley for every Thursday night football game just plays a three-leg, same game parley.

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max refund $5 unless otherwise specified restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fandle.com. With fantasy by lows, we're going to go through it. There are so many. The fantasy trade deadline depends. really important. Check your league settings and see what the deadline is. It depends on the platform. I think ESPNs is generally later than Yahoo's, but it's at some point. You can also push it. If you're the commissioner, I like pushing it as late as possible.

I think it's like week 13 or something is like the latest you can push it. I am always a fan of that. Well, and the similarity is that the reason the NFL trade deadline, I think is kind of weird is because if they pushed it, they expanded the season by week, but even two weeks later, it's like teams would have a firmer idea of whether they were going to make the playoffs or not. and I think it's harder to, you know, pull trig on making a decision when you're four and four. But it's a pretty difference between that, even falling, you know, two weeks from now being, you know, four and six versus six and four. I don't know.

So in fantasy, it's the same thing, like, make some moves. So with that said, we're going to go through a bunch of guys, again, power hour style that we think could make a really big difference in your teams. And I'm going to start with Devante Adams,

which is the reason I bring them up. Monday night football game, I think there was an all-time frustrating receiver game. Devante Adams had one catch for 11. yards probably should have had like four catches for like 160 and two touchdowns. And in the absence of a James Hardin, I feel like Devante checks the two boxes of is going to be a top 10 receiver rest of the way. But also, Craig, do you agree that I actually think you can get him?

Like the person who has Devante is probably tired at this point and would happily like move him for what they feel is 80 cents of the dollar. Yeah, like, look, an easy swap to me is when we're going to get to this guy later, but like a Tony Pollard for Devante Adams probably makes sense. It's like two sides who are frustrated with the past performance who can see the upside for each of these guys. I didn't realize how bad Devante Adams has been because he basically had that one huge week against the Steelers,

as every wide receiver one does, where he hit 35 fantasy points. Other than that, he's been kind of mediocre. At the last four weeks, he has not a double-digit fantasy points. My only worry here is like, do you really want to trade into the dysfunctional family of the Raiders? Like, Devonta Adams is clearly pissed. He slams his helmet down on Monday Night Football.

Every week there's a new story about how Devonter's, is not getting a ball enough. He hates this team. He's upset. Do you really want to, like, lock in and hope that this guy's going to just, like, play his ass off for the next eight weeks? I don't know. I think Devante, if that isn't happening, he's not even available in a trade.

Like, so, like, he needs to be bad. And I think the reason he's unhappy is why I'm convinced he's going to get the ball. Like, he's clearly going to ask for the ball back, and they do need to give it to him. But to your point, last four weeks. So since that Steelers game, he's the 49th best receiver in fantasies behind Jackson, and Jigba for the Seahawks. He's three different guys named Josh are ahead of him. Reynolds Downs and Palmer are all ahead of them.

Josh Reynolds is ahead of him? And Devante, if he were a tight end in the last five weeks, if Devante were a tight end, he'd be the tight end 19. Oh my God. Behind Kyle Pitts and Johnny Smith on the Falcons, he'd be just ahead of KDOT on the box. Yeah, five, five, six, seven.

I can't count. Yeah, four games. That's tough. That's very, very tough. Dude, dude, dude. My question is, along these lines. So I think, Craig, you made a good point about, like,

do you really want to buy into this dysfunctional Raiders family? If you knew that Jimmy Garaplo was going to remain the starter, does that make you more or less likely to trade for Devante Adams? In other words, would you rather have some other quarterback starting for them right now than anybody but Jimmy G essentially? I think I'd rather have Aiden O'Connell at this point. The Raiders' offense is such a disaster. The offensive line was pathetic last night.

I actually don't, I think Jimmy G's fine. I just think there needs to be a pulse there to throw them the ball, but unfortunately they don't have time to get the ball off. That's, oh, God, I know. That's the frustrating part is, like, every time they had an opportunity to, like, actually move the football, it was just, like, immediately the pocket was just crushed. But if someone was watching that game and needed Devante to get their win,

and he didn't, I feel like this is how you get a great player. I agree. You have been publicly embarrassed. I agree. There has to be, like, a certain pucker factor involved with buying low on guys. And, you know, it's nerve-reck. for both the person giving up Devante Adams and trading for Devante Adams, I feel like. So this is like a great opportunity.

So next up, yeah, there aren't players like this available if there aren't questions. Next up, Chris Olavé for the Saints. Fantasy points is Scott Barrett, had a great stat. Chris Oliva has the single largest gap among all past catchers in expected fantasy points and actual fantasy points. He's kind of the Deonté Johnson of this year. Chris Alave's ninth in the NFL in targets and he's 38th in points for game. So look, he's got one touchdown on 44 catches.

He's got less points than his teammate Rashid Shaheed, who like barely plays. 27% snap right last week, guys. So like, I think we can all agree, right? Alave is good. And as long as Derek Carr is healthy, we feel like a bounce back is likely, even though it's been a tough eight weeks. It's so weird. The Saints first month, they were, I want to say, like, bottom five in points. and last month the Saints actually have the top three points over the last month

and this is what I'm saying. And nobody cares. In the NFL. But well, part of it's just this weird offense where it's like checking down to Camara. Camara leads all running backs and catches by an absurd amount even though he missed the first three games. So I, yeah, Olave is probably the single biggest difference maker that you can actually acquire somebody easily.

Like even Devonthe is probably hard to trade for. I think Olave has just not been special. But I would not at all be surprised if Chris Olave was a top five. receiver the rest of the way. It's going to start scoring those touchdowns. I think, Craig, the reason no one cares about the Saints is because if you really, I don't know, just maybe from my point of view, if you really think around the NFL who has like, who do I have the lowest amount of confidence in?

Like, Derek Carr would be up there. Isn't it funny that the Raiders would be better off with Derek Carr and the Saints were better off with Andy Dalton just, you know what I mean? Right, right. Or they were just like about equal with Andy Dalton. Like, they didn't really need to go to make this move. I don't know. For me, I think there's a bias there just based on what I've seen from Derek Carr over the last, like, however many years, where I just don't see a huge bounce back happening.

But at the same time, I agree with you that Olave is a screaming vibe just because he's so much better than his numbers have shown. I'm always interrupting D.K. It's like, can I interrupt someone else? What is this? Also, I have Olava in two leagues. So this was good. Therapeutic. Yeah.

You're going to keep them? Yeah. So don't sell them. That's what we're telling you. That's what you're telling me? That's the advice. I know who to blame if he's still bad. Speaking of, while we're talking about Bailos,

I want to throw on one potential sell high. And I think that we've talked to this a lot, but selling high is like the hardest thing to do because the idea that it's hard enough to find gold, and you're like, I'm going to just sell this and trust I'll get it back somehow. Jamir Gibbs, if you have Jemir Gibbs, you've waited all year for him to just get the ball.

He gets the ball. He's the focal point of the line's offense. He was incredible. And you watch last night, you're like, oh, this probably top two, top three running back rest of the way. David Montgomery, the lines are on by this week. David Montgomery comes back next. Do you think Jemir Gibbs is probably like an incredible value the rest of the way in the backfields more even?

Or is it actually like you should probably trade Jemir Gibbs now while it's fresh in everyone's heads that he was out of control. Incredible. Kind of in the same bonus for he mostert right now with Devon A. Chan coming back soon. I think, yeah, I would agree he's a huge sell high at this point. I do not trust Dan Campbell to continue to give him a lot of carries. It's going to be frustrating from here on out. I can almost guarantee you. Because honestly, like I don't feel like anything has changed.

I don't think that I don't think this team was. like, oh, we don't know what we have in Jemir Gibbs. This guy we picked 12th overall. Can I put a hole in that? Because 100% something has literally changed, which is like three weeks ago, Dan Campbell said when Montgomery was healthy, we don't envision Jimier Gibbs as a 20 touch per game guy. And then last night, when they needed him to be, he had like 20.

They gave them all 30 times and ruined my night. And it was incredible. And so that I will posit as that is a tangible change is he had 30 touches. Because everybody else on the team is hurt. I know. I'm just saying that they didn't envision it, but now they're like, oh, we can do that. Like, that is a change, right?

I envision it being more of a split, but I mean, he's certainly not going to be the guy we saw last night or on Monday night. So, like, look, if you can get like Keenan Allen for him, I'd probably do it. It's also worth noting that David Montgomery has a ribs injury, and especially for a running back. Like, Alvin Kamar also had a rim injury among everything last year. Like, when you're a rib injury, it's not like you don't get tackled in your fricking chest during the season.

God, that'd be so painful. Like, I don't think David, yeah, you ever think about Fred Warner just hitting you at full speed? Like, what's that do for your rib injury? injury. Imagine just sitting on the couch with the rib injury. It's hard to breathe. I don't know. I think that Gibbs in a way, I think he's probably a value because I feel like

Montgomery can't have the same workload he had with the effectiveness he had in the first half of the season. It's tough. I was talking about this on Twitter last night. Kai! Sorry, D.K. I had to do it. Wow, I love it. I love that. Good bit, Kai. I was talking about this on Twitter last night and basically, like, I can't wait for Gibbs to go

back to 25% snap rate like we saw before this. And I get a lot of responses, both you know, for both ways, basically like a lot of people believe this is like, Jamir Gibbs, this is the new paradigm. Like he's broken out. It's going like he's going to be the guy from now on. They've seen what they've got.

And then of course, there's a lot of people that are like, yeah, this is time to sell high. I kind of tend. I tend to believe the sell high thing is more true. But at the same time, high as I do agree with you. Like they're probably like, oh, we can give him a little bit more than we thought we could maybe. And so, you know, of course there's a, there's a middle ground. But overall, I think selling high is the move. All right. Next up, T. Higgins, receiver for the Bengals.

We're just taking off a lot of receivers that aren't playing well that are very good. T. Higgins, he was another guy who was very affected by a ribs injury to start the season. And I think he was not himself, frankly. Like, the way he was playing, I don't think he was 100%. Obviously, this offense with Joe Burrow suffering from a calf injury was a shadow or a shell of what it could be. And so for multiple reasons, both with Joe Burrow ascending and T. Higgins getting more healthy, I think he's absolute screaming by. I think this is a guy last year who was the wide receiver 17 overall.

He was wide receiver 19 in points per game. You know, he didn't change dramatically since last year. I think clearly Jamar Chase is the number one receiver in this offense. But T. Higgins is a really, really good number two. And you can get him at a steep discount right now, I think, because people are pretty frustrated with him. He's been all over the place. And so, yeah, I just think this is a chance to buy talent and a really good offense.

Yeah, I mean, he's been bad. I mean, I would say people who managers of T. are ready to give up. I mean, this guy hasn't had more than nine points in any game this season but one. And that game was week two. He's at three points, two points, three points, and nine points since then. I think you could probably get him right now for a tight end or a running back that's had a couple good weeks in a row. You could probably flip him for T. Higgins.

I think this is classic come in and ask for a different receiver. And they'll be like, what about T. Higgins? And you're like, I'll give you a Dalton Kincaid. And they're like, you got a deal. Again, it's just, I, exactly what you said, too, DK. The Bengals are back. Burroughs clearly healthy again. Incredible games tonight is.

That's why it might be hard to trade him, though, because unless the guy in your league is an idiot, like the GM of the commanders or the Bears, it's going to be hard to convince them. No, no, no, no, you know, don't worry about the Bengals being good again. T. Higgins isn't the guy. It's going to be Jamar Chase. There's a strong chance they want to wait and see one more week, especially with Sincere playing Buffalo this week. So, I don't know. It might be a little harder.

Like everything, this is just be how. Roseman and the Eagles, like, try. See what they think. Like, that's the thing. It's going to be throwing a lot of lines on the... Someone else had to get it this time. Nice. Thanks, Guy. Yeah, worth a shot. I agree.

You know, those, like, when you go to the, like, a pier and you see someone's got, like, 30 rods in the water, it's like, you kind of got to do that. Just text everyone. That's a great. It's a great visual. Slide in the DMs. You know how they feel.

There's always someone in the league who's got, like, 17 trade offers out right there. It's the Hallie Roseman. You got to read, what's the worst that can say no? You know what's funny? it's like, it's so underrated. It's like, don't just be like, hey, you want my bad players, it's a good player.

It's, you know, it's incredible that no one does enough for the secret to trading is, what do you think of your team? What would you like? People will just tell you. I don't know, do it. You know the, Hyvitz, you watched, Dave. What is the line he says when he goes up to a woman and he wants to flirt? He says, like, what is your interest in being hit on right now or something?

Yeah, what's your open? On a scale, what's your openness to being hit on right now? That's a, yeah. That's a great way to go about a trade. What's your openness right now about, about moving one of your receivers. Yeah, there you go. That's perfect. Which your openness to Devante Adams.

Right, next up, Tony Pollard, running back for the Cowboys. I know this is weird because a lot of people listening probably drafted Tony Pollard at our recommendation. Yeah, we've gotten a lot of emails and tweets and people being like, haven't heard you guys talk a lot about Tony Pollard, the guy you all agreed on Bill Simmons podcast, he should be the number one pick in the draft, basically. And he's been pretty mediocre. So, yeah.

We're doubling down. The beginning of, like, the first thing. three months entering the season, I was like, this guy broke his leg this year. I don't get it. And by the end of the month, I was like, this is the single best player in the entire league to draft. And I think if you have them, hold, diamond hands. It's diamond hands. But it's really simple. It's, he's not as efficient, but he's getting on this. He's seventh in touches, but he's 24th in touchdowns. And it's the simplest version of it is last year, Dallas had the best red zone offense in the NFL converting into touchdowns. And this year, they're 29th. They're only behind the teams, the fake quarterbacks like the Giants and

So it's like it's part randomness, part Mike McCarthy's DNA is bad in the red zone. But even if the Cal was just meet in the middle, somewhere between the best and the worst, even just if they're average in the red zone going forward, Tony Pollard's probably going to get six touchdowns over the next 10 weeks. So I just, he's been totally unremarkable, but I think he's also extremely acquirable. He's gotten 75% of the touches inside the five-yard line, almost 80% of the goal to go touches. He's still getting a ton of third down looks. the volume is exactly what we were hoping for. And weirdly enough, like the efficiency is what's been lacking

because he's just not been nearly as efficient as he has been throughout the rest of his career, which is a huge bummer. But overall, hyphids, I completely agree. The touchdowns are coming. They're coming. Just wait. It's crazy how explosive he used to be

and like how his calling card was like breaking off 20 plus yard plays. And he just doesn't do that anymore. This is where I'm upset with myself. Did break his leg in 2023. Do you guys think he's actually, because he said he was faster there. He had that one play against the Chargers where he like got kind of slingshot it

and ran like 60 yards. People were like, see, he's fine. I don't think he looks like the same guy. I don't know for sure if it's because he broke his leg, but that would be Occam's razor. Memento tattoo, broken bones matter. I'm going to get that tattoo to myself.

I think there was a legitimate reason to be convinced that it wasn't going to matter based on the data and medical research. However, not all injuries are the same. I think this one would matter. I think the answer is that it was this year. I think it doesn't matter what it is. Legament ACL.

If you did it in the playoffs and that you had surgery in like early February or late January, it's just different than like November. Anyways, still bullish on Pollard for everyone who's emailed in. Sorry about that, but just hold on. We promise. Well, I don't know about promise, but. Legally speaking, we can't promise. Kai promises.

He's going to one guy gets sued. Okay, next step, Bylos. Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jaguars. Yeah, man. Trevor Lawrence has kind of been like a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma this year because he's been, he's been very good. He's the seventh best graded passer on PFF. The team has the second best record in the NFL. They're playing well.

He's the 18th best quarterback in fantasy. That doesn't add up. That doesn't make sense. When you watch him, you're like, this looks like the Trevor Lawrence I saw from the last season of, from the second half of last year. He's just allergic to touchdowns this year. I don't know what to tell you. He's doubling his rushing total. this year, even though he hurt his knee, but he has zero rushing touchdowns. The guy who's just

not scoring touchdowns, and Travis E.TN has only one less touchdown than Trevor Lawrence this year. Trevor Lawrence has thrown nine. ETN has eight. The whole team just doesn't have touchdowns. Evan Ingram is the only tied end in the top 23, doesn't have a touchdown. Calvin Ridley, two touchdowns. Lawrence hasn't scored more than 20 points in a single game this year. And I have to think that if he's playing well and he passes the eye test like he's doing, this is going to improve. This has to improve. The Jags are good and Lawrence is good. And the entire offense is healthy. Justin Fields

has thrown more touchdowns. That's it's crazy. He's got nine touchdowns this year. Turn to Lawrence and eight games. That's a wild one. I think I, not only I like this one a lot, Craig, I'm kind of a sucker for Lawrence, but I would throw Calvin Ridley in there too, because Calvin Ridley's like a healthy version of T. Higgins, where the people of Calvin Ridley are kind of like, oh my God, this person.

It's like the Giants at the Leonard Williams Trade D.K. Where I'm like, oh, yeah, sure, sounds great. Yeah, second for like Calvin Ridley, whoever has Calvin Ridley's super happy to get rid of them. I mean, Evan Ingram is third in the league in the league and catches that tight end and has zero touchdowns. And Lawrence, what I like about this is Trevor Lawrence, if someone has Trevor Lawrence and then clearly a better quarterback that they were starting over him, I think you could get him for like an average, like an above average tight end. Like you'd probably

Everett Anagram for Trevor Lawrence might be much. I just, I stumbled on that one. I thought you were doing a joke there. No, that was just, you know, tongue. twister after all these tom-tom. So we're just going to cut that. We're just completely cutting that. No, that we'll leave it. It's like a drummer. He's like putting in little fills between every little thing. Did you guys see that video?

I forget who did it, but someone did a video of the drummer from Megadeth, who's this incredible drummer. They played a track for him with, took out the, uh, the drum set. And they just played him. And it was Mr. Brightside by the killers. And ironically, he had never heard the song. And then he just, he was like, I have never heard this. And then he just heard it once and then wrote his own what he was.

thought the drums should be. It was incredible. Oh, they've been doing that lately. They tried it with the Foo Fighters drummer, the guy who looks like Will Ferrell. Yeah. They like hit lightning. That guy does look like Will Ferrell. That's funny. They hit lightning in a bottle because this guy was like, what song is this?

And they were like, are you kidding? And like, you see the host turn and be like, oh, my God, we got them. These, the videos on like TikTok and Instagram where you're seeing these, I mean, like, especially in like metal and stuff, like these guys, you just kind of think of them as like party animals and whatever. but they're like musical geniuses. I love that kind of stuff. Dude, that guy, the drummer, like the way he talks, it was like, it was incredible.

Also, it's not, I was wrong. It's not foo fighters, the drummer. It's Chad Smith. It's the red hot chili peppers guy who looks like that. Right, right, right, right, yeah. They're all distinct looks, the chili peppers. Yeah, they really are. Flea?

No one looks like flea. Flea might most resemble an actual flea. A flea might look more like flea than anyone, any human. We're trying not to get sued. Next up, any other. DK, another by-look. Chris Godwin, receiver for the books? Yeah, so this one I don't think is as like maybe obvious or whatever because I just think right now he is a value. I think so if you look at his ranks right now, he's the wide receiver 37 overall wide receiver 34 and points per game.

But he's in the top 24 among receivers in both targets, target share and catches. And I think that's because he just doesn't, this is the same discussion. He doesn't have any touchdowns. There's one touchdown this season. And I think, actually I saw this from Hayden Winks. He is the 185th out of 185 receiver in terms of expected touchdowns. Like in terms of the difference between his expected touchdowns and his actual touchdowns. He should have scored more than 2.3 extra touchdowns than he has this year.

And so I think for me, it's betting on talent. It's betting on the fact that he has done it in the past. And I just think he's due. He's going to score more touchdowns going forward. He's going to score them in bunch of. probably. And so, you know, Godwin, I don't think he's going to be like, you know, necessarily a top 10 receiver, but I think he's a really, really good value right now that people are not going to be that, like, scared to get rid of. Have you guys seen those memes of the bell curve?

And it's like the beginning of the bell curve. It's like a person who's an idiot saying something. And then the middle of the bell curves, a nerd being like, here's what's actually smart. And then at the end, it's like a guy looks like Yoda or a master with like a Jedi being like, actually it's what the first guy said. And it's like in fantasy football, like the first goes like, well, it's just about scoring touchdowns. And then the middle's like, well, there's all these things in Target Share and all these advanced stats and all the stuff and scheme and all this stuff. And then at the end, it's like, it's actually just about touchdowns.

Like, it's just like, it's just like, like trade for people who haven't scored a bunch of touchdowns yet and probably trade away people who've scored a lot. With the exception of like three people, it's completely random. The other reason I would throw Godwin out as a really nice buy low is his floor is outstanding. I saw this from David Gautierry. He has scored fewer than seven. PPR points twice in the last 60 games. Ben-up.

He like almost never lays an ice. So it's like at the very least you have like a solid guy in your in your lineup. At the best, he's like a top 24 guy. Another guy just to quickly throw in in that same metric, like the high fits, you just saying, yeah, guys who normally scored touchdowns who haven't yet, maybe go get those guys. D.K. Metcalf has two touchdowns this year and he's third in the NFL and red zone targets per game. That's, it's true. that's a great one.

And the same exact note, Christian Watson for the Packers is just another guy just like, remember the last year, like how incredible his first half was? No, you don't because he didn't do anything in the first half. And then week 10 to 14, he had nine touchdowns. One difference, but yeah. One slight difference of who's throwing the football.

Kind of like best quarterback to worst quarterback in the NFL, but yeah. Well, details. If you think about it, no, yeah, Jordan loves him pretty bad. he's been playing poorly. I do think Christian Watson's a bylaw though for exactly that reason. People are like, yeah, that's why you can get him for very, very little. Yeah, I think you could get Christian Watson for almost nothing at this point.

That's kind of what I'm, I think he's, yeah. And that's the key to the bylaw. We didn't say this enough, but it's underperforming players isn't enough. The person has to be kind of sick of them. Yeah. It's like, what do you say about the joke? What's the joke about pancakes? It's like, oh, that's the Mitch Hebburg pancakes.

They're really exciting at first, but by the end, you're fucking sick of them. That's the thing. It's like, what you try to do these receivers is just like five, five games in. You've seen four games of Watson

and you're like, I'm sick of this thing. Like, I'm done. Okay. Go get them. All right. Let's do some emails.

That was power. I was power. I think you, Kai. That really was, I can't believe that happened again. All right. It's going to be every week for now on.

The best part is, Kyle doesn't know why it's happening. And no one tell him. And we don't know either, by the way. No one knows. So we, we were trying to do a nickname

for Will Levis. Craig was talking about that on the Sunday show. We got a lot of emails from people. Bill, I think Bill was for a shout up Bill. Bill. Also like 10 other people. So Will Levis, I think they just changed this at Apple, but on iPhones Levis, Levis, auto-corrects on iPhones to Levi's. It does with like the apostrophe. So people call him Will Levis,

Billy Jean. I think that we got to lock that in. I like that's incredible. Billy Jeans, Billy Jeans, Billy Jean. It will, the marketplace of ideas will sort that out. But yeah, Billy Jeans is pretty incredible. Yeah. Philly jeans is like,

are getting, perfect. Billy jeans. Billy jeans is so good. He should be Billy jeans. He should do the Levi's ads. I've been on this. I know he's got the Helmand's deal, but like if Will Levin's has a good year,

there is like a 99% chance he signs a deal with Levi's, right? Well, it's Levi's Stadium in San Francisco. There's like a conflict there. Well, do you think somewhere in the Levi's headquarters, they're like, hey, there's an NFL quarterback who's like 6-5 and ripped and handsome and threw four touchdowns in his debut. And his name auto corrects to Levi's. This is perfect.

And they're like, yeah, but he's got a mayonnaise deal. We really want to be associated with mayonnaise? He just seems like a jeans guy. Like an American, he's just like this ripped white dude. Like the new Brock and Levi's. Yeah. Dude, I love this could be in those. Dude, you know, the only people who are happy about Jimmy G's time in San Francisco is Levi's.

Being like, we're glad we get to put him in the jeans. Anyway. All right. We have a couple more emails. We'll bring Kai back at the end. A lot of people emailing us about nautical miles. We were talking about, I don't remember how. Yes, I need to know about this.

So we talked about how fast a dolphin could swim of 40. And it was like 2.2 seconds. Right. That's right. That's why we tried to be a 40 attached for a dolphin. Okay. Thank you to the people emailed us in. Thank you from bottom of my heart. All right.

This is from Matt. Matt. Matt. The measurement of knots comes from the 19th century method of calculating the speed of a boat. sailors would throw basically a big plant called a chip log overboard and connected to a rope with knots that were tied every 47 feet and three inches apart. And then they would count how many knots

slipped through their hands in 30 seconds to determine how many knots they were traveling. So it was literally knots. Oh my God. Sounds complicated, but that does make so much more sense. So, yeah. You may be wondering, why 47 feet and three inches. Yeah, that's my next question.

Because it is, it is, related to a nautical mile. I was going to say, the coincidence there having to be not said nautical mile to me is No, it is a coincidence, but it has, they have nothing to each other because they're trying to measure one nautical mile. Now, then you're like, well, what's a nautical mile? A nautical mile is 1.15 miles. Of course, so the short answer is because the earth is round.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But isn't, I mean, the earth is round on land as well. What is the difference? Well, it's another thing. It's kind of... Or is it? As far as I can tell, it's actually a total...

That's a good point. Let's get Kyrie in here. Kyrie? Yeah. It's actually like a coincidence if you're in close. So first I'll make it more... There's no nautical kilometer. The whole world uses nautical miles.

So I'm going to try to explain this, and you probably have questions. But it is actually interesting. This is from Wade, who's an engineer and he's a former soldier. He sent in an email explaining it. Basically... What a great name for... For nautical miles, wait. I didn't think about it.

Wait. So he sent an email explaining it. I'm actually going to, he also linked to something from how stuff works. I'm going to read the how stuff works when I think it's a little simpler. A nautical mile is based on the circumference of planet Earth. So take Earth round 360 degrees, right? So if you were to cut Earth in half at the equator,

you could pick up one of the halves and look at the equator as a circle. You could divide that circle into 360 degrees, right? But it's still too big to like, navigate out of ship. So you could then divide one of those 360 degrees. One degree can be divided into 60 again. Now, this is where it gets complicated. They call the 60 minutes.

So it's one of the 360 degrees, one degree divided by 60 is 60 minutes. Oh, okay. So it's 60 minutes or at a degree, 360 degrees in the circle. One of those minutes on planet Earth is a nautical mile. So 60 times 360 is, what is it, 21,000. 600. And then if you take it just randomly, 21,600, that's how many minutes are in a 360-degree circle. And then the circumference of the earth is a touch under 25,000 miles. So it's almost a coincidence that 25,000 divided by a little under 22,000. It's like 25 is actually

really close to a real mile, but they actually have nothing to do with each other. Wow. But what, so that's why 1.15 nautical miles, it's actually about the latitude and degrees of the earth to sail. I still don't fully understand why they're different. But yeah. I think because if you're traveling, because the short answer, and I don't want to pretend like I'm, you know,

some sailor here, but if you're trying to use, you're trying to use a straight line distance. Would you boat about them? Yes. God damn. You old sailor you. She in the house?

I think what's crazy as they figured this out hundreds of years ago. Could you imagine trying to figure this out without the internet? So why is it different? land and... Because if you're trying to go straight line distances, but the Earth is curved and across traveling an ocean that matters a lot. So it's easier to calculate it by using the, like, basically like trigonometry of like using the curve of the earth.

The 360 degree, you have to take into account the latitude and longitude and measuring it through the lens of it being a globe. And just using those degrees latitude, longitudes better than a straight distance because it's not really a line. You have to go in 3D kind of. That's kind of fascinating. It seems too complicated, but yeah. Look, I'm just reading it. I'm certainly, I'm closer to not getting it than getting it, but I've looked enough into it that I can regurgitate.

I feel like it's just like people on land don't care as much because traveling on land is easier than water, so they're just like, eh, we don't need to care about the curvature of the earth. This is also like, this reminds me of like, why is there different measurements for the depth of water than just feet? Why can't we just use feet? Like, why are there fathoms?

And then it also reminded me that, did you know that Mark Twain? Do you know what Mark Twain is? Do you know who Mark Twain is? Yeah, that wasn't his real name. It's a pen name, right? Right. His real name was Samuel Clemens. Mark Twain is an expression that crewmen on like the river boats or whatever use for a depth of water.

They would mark Twain for when you were two fathoms deep. Well, that's pretty good. Fucking complicated, weird stuff. So his own pen name was, yeah, I'm deep, man. I'm two fathoms deep out here That's pretty good Yeah Which is about 12 feet

Because sure So laminar flow This is the best thing We've done DK got a lot of tweets On the Instagram TikTok Subreddit whatever For laminar flow

Which is Yeah oddly satisfying That's another That's another good Reddit subreddit That's a big one Yeah You got to look at laminar flow

If you haven't done it yet This is like the horse hose Disaster but the opposite It's like Google laminar flow And it's actually Don't remind you that the horse hose I finally forgot about those still on the Prangles thing

Craig is just distraught I'm still pure I still haven't said yeah horses I'm gonna just text you it one day don't don't Google horse hoarseves no especially if you're at work

yeah don't Google horseshives not on government issue laptops I feel like you would get in less trouble for looking up a naked person at work than horse hooves like your boss would be more appalled at the hooves we were talking about why does laminar flow a thing and basically I don't know if this is simple or complicated

but I thought an email that tried to make it simple is laminar flow is there's laminar flow and turbulent flow and turbulent flow is like a bunch of swore like all the molecules are going on all kinds of different places like they're going you know it's like a swirling about a swirling about exactly it's kind of like a really

crazy traffic you ever seen those videos of like traffic in Tokyo all the crosswalks oh yeah yeah yeah a thousand directions and but if laminar is when all the molecules are all flowing in the same direction due to very specific architecture. It's like all the, like, that's why it looks so crazy is all the molecules are flowing together. That makes sense.

And it doesn't have anything to do with the viscosity of the liquid, right? Because there was a bunch of people. It's like thicker liquid. It's easier. Viscis is great word. Well, because I posted a video on Twitter and it was like clearly oil or something like that. Some water oil or, you know, something along those lines. And I think then there was a discussion like, can you do it with water?

I think it does work with water because there's a trick you can do where you poke a hole in a balloon and that's how you can create a laminar flow out of it or laminar flow or however you pronounce it and that's like a trick you can do with your kids or something like that. So anyways, I'm looking into this because I want to do this with Calvin.

It's exciting. Do you think of Mark Twain or what was his name Clemens? Sam Clemens? Sam Clemens. Do you think of instead of Mark Twain, he chose another nautical term, laminar flow as his pen name you think he would have been as famous?

That'd be like his rap name. Yeah, laminar flow. I've got that laminar flow. Two fathoms. Oh my God. Also, I just, this is hopefully five seconds to move on, but someone emailed us.

There's a bunch of YouTube videos to people argue about this, but is water wet? I can't do this. We're not doing this. I feel like there's no way to win this argument. I feel like you don't even know how I feel. But whichever way I feel you'll disagree, I know it. No, I'm just curious what you guys think.

Yes. Yeah, I guess I would say water is wet. But the argument is what? Like water isn't wet, water gets things wet. Wet is water being on something else is what people would argue? That's what people say. I'm kind of like on the thing that water is. Someone also, they said a YouTube video as someone being like fish aren't wet.

And I was like, that's crazy. Are Benita fish big? Yeah, exactly. I think water's wet. Fish are wet. What? What are we doing here? They were like, it's not wet outside the con...

I don't know. This is the kind of thing you don't need to spend time thinking about. I just wanted to make sure we're on the red set. Are humans dry? That's what he... Do you want to hear the... We can just move on, but... They were saying that when you pull the fish out of the context of the ocean when they're...

Like, can you be wet if you're not surrounded by air? I don't agree with it. I don't want to be lumped in with this. I mean, I understand it's... Yeah, I understand the argument. You need to be out of the water to determine if you are wet. I think it's wet inside water personally. You definitely.

You know what? People are entitled to their truth. Yeah, I'm going to stick with when you get in the water, you're wet. I'm just stick with that. No, when you get out, you're wet. Oh, wow, I'm starting to see where they're coming from here. Got an email from Trent. Trent.

Trent, Trent went to BYU, sticking with her theme here of old-timey names. Trent said not in the NFL, but there are two alumni from BYU that have great names. Dick Felt and Boney Fuller. Dick Felt. Boney Fuller and Dick Felt. Dick felt born in 1933 Stop naming your kids

Richard when you have last names like that No, Richard's fine But the older generation's insistence On calling their son Dick Instead of Richard is the problem There was a time I don't know what year it was But I feel like we all agreed

Dick is dead We're not doing Dick from Richard anymore I can't believe that people who named their kid Richard And the 1950s were like We're going with Dick felt For our son This is my dad Craig

Is your dad's name Richard. His name is Richard and he's still like, I think he's not mad at his parents, but he's like, why would you call me Dick? When did Dick become a nickname for a penis? I think that's a great question. My dad was, they were debating naming me Peter, but I think back of the day, Peter was a synonym for penis. But then that totally ironically petered out. And I feel like most people now, I bet Kai producing this has never even heard that. It's like, it's not a thing. So it's funny to me that they didn't even know what would last. This reminds me. Someone pointed to out and then I actually searched just my name on Twitter and then the word dick. And the first

tweet that comes up is one important thing to remember is that Sam Darnold is the grandson of Dick Hammer. Is that true? Dick Hammer. That's a that's a boogie night's name right there. Wait, Dick Hammer, it says in Wikipedia, was an American athlete, firefighter and actor. That's the first sentence. Dude. We didn't have enough people back then. Everyone was doing everything. They're all fucking war heroes and like sions of like entertainment and industry. Dick Hammer. As an actor played the role of Captain Richard quote Dick Hammer in the first season of the Jack Webb produced television show emergency.

But he left the show midway through the first season because he felt that being a real life firefighter was more rewarding than playing a fictional one. Wow. That will that will never happen again. Do you want to know one of the most famous aces from the world? I think we've talked about this on this podcast before. One of the most famous aces from World War II. His name was Major Dick Bong. Why don't we calling these people Richard, man?

Dick Bong. And you know what? There's no excuse because according to Wikipedia, the term Dick became associated with penis in the 1880s by men in the military. So why were you naming your child Richard Bong and then going with Dick? In World War II in the 40s, that doesn't make any sense. Richard Nixon was called Tricky.

I feel like Nixon must have been. been an accelerant of, I mean, many things, but he must have been an accelerant of like Dick Nixon, you know what I mean? Like, that had to like accelerate the whole thing, right? When the president's name is that? Also, Dick Hammer portrayed the Morrill Borough man in the sentence. Wow. What a life. Is it weird that we'll never have lives that are even remotely as interesting as any of these people? It's like, fight club. It's like, we're just this middleman of history. We have no wars. All we have is like we recycle to prevent climate change. Oh my God. I think that's your funniest take ever, Craig.

They're just weren't enough people. We needed more people back then. You got one guy doing three jobs. He's a legendary everything. He's a firefighter and actor and a football player. So it's like Chris Hensworth is Thor. He's also like the starting linebacker on the Steelers. And he's a firefighter.

That's what that would be like. In the summer. Oh, my God. All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Tucker, and everyone behind the scenes.

Thank you to Dick Hammer. Thank you, Dick Baum for your service. Thank you, Lord. Major Dick Bong. Major Dick Bong. Thank you, Aerosmith. I thought you were going to go with an artist named Richard. I should have, yeah.

Is there Richard and Aerosmith? I feel like there's got to be. Odds are. You think Oz are good enough? Let's see. Stephen Tyler, Joe Perry, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, and Brett. A lot of real regular names. Steve, Joe, Tom, another Joe and Brad.

All of those are first names too. Stephen Tyler, Joe Perry, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, I guess Brad Whitford. So you got... I feel like there's got to be some Whitford's back in the day. Yeah. Back when there were Fritz's and Reds. Fritz. You're really on the Fritz right now.

Well, your internet is on the Fritz, technically. I like Fritz. That's fun. Spring. Prince is great. Fitz Pollard, yeah. Fritz is a great name. All right.

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