The Ringer NFL Show - Offseason Vibes for All 32 Teams: Raiders Up, Chiefs Down, Broncos Up, and Space Is Big

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

LIVE SHOW in Chicago on April 22: Click below for tickets!The guys run a vibes check for every team. They talk about teams with good offseason vibes, bad offseason vibes, teams trending up, teams trending down, and which team has won the offseason so far. They also quickly go through some pro day news, then check on Craig after SDSU’s loss in the play-in game and contemplate the vastness of the universe. CHAPTERS: • Intro (00:00) • Offseason Vibe Check (03:23) • Pro Day Check in (01:11:49) • Thank you Lorne (01:18:06) Get live show tickets here. Join The Ringer NFL Draft Show Bracket Challenge here. (Password: CLOYCEBOX) Check out our 2025 NFL Draft Guide. Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello there, friends of the program. It's Tate Frazier, and it's officially that special time of the year where we go on a March through Madness Together for the 85th edition of the NCAA tournament. What makes March so special, you ask? Well, it's the unknown. It's the fact that this is basically Survivor on a basketball court on CBS without Jeff Probes. And no matter how much you prepare, you can not predict this kind of chaos. And that is what we will be covering on this podcast, one shining podcast, all the madness,

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Today we are going over who is winning the offseason. We're going to go over all 32 teams and the offseason vibes because you can win the Super Bowl. But honestly, I feel like DK, the more important thing in life is whether you're winning the offseason. The offseason is longer than the regular season anyway. I think winning the Super Bowl is better. But for all the other teams, winning the offseason fucking rules. You know what I mean? When you have no shot to win the Super Bowl, the offseason becomes your Super Bowl and it's really fun.

So it's like me with San Diego State right now. I'm like offseason is, I'm actually looking forward to the offseason. You're actually glad they lost. You're actually glad they lost by a lot. Now I can focus on recruiting. I can get out on the road. I can start scouting. I can like donate to the NIL.

So yeah. You and C winning by 30 or 40 points is bad. 27, but yeah. 27. Yeah, yeah. Because now they're going to keep. It felt like 67. It felt like 67.

They're going to keep the Tar Heels coach, which is bad. So winning games is bad. That's right. So, okay, so speaking to which, we have our March Maddust bracket pool in ESPN. So if you want, in the episode description, we've a link to our March Madness bracket. We have a lot of entries already. So thank you. Everyone, keep it coming.

Keep it coming. Keep coming. The winner gets a gentleman's piss club t-shirt. So be excited for that. And again, the link to that. Only one of like foreign existence. Exactly. Pretty impressive.

Other, the other thing in the other thing. the episode description is we are having a live show in Chicago. Tickets are live currently. Go get them before they sell out. And so it is Tuesday, April 22nd. It is the week for the draft. No offense to Green Bay, but we felt Green Bay. Some Packers fans got really mad that we were doing it in Chicago, even though Green Bay is having the draft. And you know what? Love Green Bay, love Lambo. I literally own a share of the Green Bay Packers. Green Bay, a little unprepared for 300,000 people. And so you know what? We're just going to do Chicago. So the ringer.com slash events or Craig's laughing at me like I shouldn't have said that.

I don't think we're doing it because Green Bay is unprepared as a city for the draft. Let's say he's making up weird excuses for this. Chicago's a major city and we have a lot of listeners there and it was hard to get to Green Bay. That's why we're doing it. Well, yeah, hence the unproperperper, whatever. Same thing. There was never like, let's not go to Green Bay. We were like, we were going to do Green Bay and then we called Green Bay and they're like,

I don't think we can't take you. Couldn't handle us. Couldn't handle us. Tuesday, April 22nd at Lincoln Hall. Tickets are. are live, they're in the episode description, Chicago, please, anyone's central time. And then they can make me pronounce, if you anyone, people want to email in, I'll pronounce them Illinois towns live and we'll see what I can get.

We did that in Detroit last year. And I did really poorly. So, okay, so tickets are there. We're going to go through winning the off season. And we're going to go through the vibes. We're going to rank all 32 teams here. I did the tiers. And within the tiers, I don't know if the ranking is going to be perfect, but I tiered

them. But I had a theory I wanted to run you guys about the offseason because I'm thinking about the off season a lot over the last 10 years because I'm a Giants fan. and I want to run by something that if it's too weird, I want to cut it from the show. And if you're with children, I would refrain from letting them hear this. But I kind of think at the end of the day,

winning the Super Bowl is like having the best sex of your entire life. But I think the offseason is for masturbation. Like, I think that's ultimately what it is because it's like nothing's actually happening, but there's a lot going on in your head and your imagination's running wild. And, like, that's like your time. You know, that's your time just for you.

That's, they don't call it resturbation for nothing. That's right. So, like, using in attractive free agents is like being on the internet. Exactly. It's like porn. Whoever you're the most interesting.

Our lads is the football porn hub. Think about it. Our lads already sounds dirty. Our lads is really only fans before NFL fans. It's only only, Only lads. Only fans.

Only lads. And look, you know, Hype, you're right. And then sometimes you need to switch hands just so it feels different even though it's pretty much

the same thing. And that's kind of what the Steelers are going to do this season. They're going to basically have the exact same kind of quarterback and offense, but they're switching hands. But they're going with the stranger.

Yeah. It's kind of why I wanted Cam Ward instead Daniel Jones. I'm like sometimes you don't even need better. It's just be different. And so I, it's funny though. You scroll through it.

I remember all these fans were coming up to me and like talking, all these people, like people we know, people who listen to the show, like, Pats fans, like, we're at T. Higgins and just going through T. Higgins. And I'm like, you're not, you're not ever going to be with T. Is that like when you like like a photo of Margo Robbie on Instagram? And it's like, hey, man, you're not going to meet her. She's not going to see that. You know what I mean? I am interacting with Marco Rami. You're like in T. Higgins photos.

It doesn't mean he's joining you. Single friends who, who was the person last year that posted that Thirstrap that, like, was it city Sweeney? Yeah, she posted the butt pick. And then my friend Roe liked it. And I was like, dude, what are you doing? What are you doing? I didn't like it. I actually saw one of my friends liked it too. I'm not going to name it. You can see the photos still if you don't like it. Why would you tell the world? I, I really appreciated this, Sidney. Thanks. Thanks, Sid. There's like 2.8 million people liked it. You think she's going to see yours? Check out your profile. It's all about the algorithm, Craig. You're curating your algorithm for things that you want.

Oh, my God. Yes. Where do jersey swaps coming to this? I don't even want to know. I don't want to know. I know it's a little crass. There's like a key party. But honestly, I know it's a little ridiculous, but there's something to it just because we're going to go through the vibes of the off season who's winning the off season. And my metric's very simple. Whose vibes are just better than they were like a couple months ago?

Like who, like the January 10th vibes to now, who's up, who's down. And so it's a mix of like where you are overall with where you're trending up or down. Does that sound about right? And to be clear, the sex metaphor stops here. It's not going to continue. For the most part. We're not going to. torture this metaphor anymore.

Should we cut that or keep it? I like it. We'll keep it. Okay. Yeah. Our lads and only fans is good. Our lads is only fans. I'm putting together in.

That's so funny. Oh my God. Okay. So I want to start with tier one. Honey, why is there, why is there a credit card getting charged or something called Our Labs every month? That's a start for one. Let's start some conversations.

Oh, boy. Okay. So I want to start with tier one. fully winning in the offseason. And I call this category fully torched. So it's not quite over yet. Okay. Wait, what's the fully torched from?

Oh, don't worry about it. I don't know if it's from anything. It's just a phrase. It's probably from the league. I don't know. But these are the teams that maybe are winning the offseason. They're just the vibes of the highest right now. Number one, I have the Eagles, which is cheating because they won the Super Bowl,

but I think that's kind of the point is like the Philly fans are at like an all-time high right now. And they haven't done anything crazy, but like at the end of the day, they re-signed Seguan. and like, you know, they're making small moves in the offensive line. But I still do think they actually do have the right to win the offseason. They get a several month after glow. Yeah, this is where they're smoking the cigarette. Exactly. Sorry, I thought we're sorry, we're not doing the metaphor anymore.

Yeah, it's postnut bliss right now. Yeah, exactly. Having a cigarette like James Bond with his jeans on in bed, no shirt. Yeah. Slacks. What do they say? What does they wear in khakis? That's the eagle. right now. No shirt, khaki, cigarette.

But number two, though, and we talked about this in the previous show, and it's kind of the impetus of this, but I think the Raiders, I think the Raiders are number two. The whole tier is is Raiders, Washington, Denver, and then maybe the Rams. But I think the Raiders are truly the winners of the offseason so far, just because where they were a couple months ago, I kind of thought the Raiders were like the worst job in the NFL. I'm like, you got to compete with the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Broncos. I know he keeps saying this. But then you have Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, and then you have Gino Smith, best quarterback they've had in 15 years. I really think they have a chance to crush the draft because I can't overstate the importance of having Jim Harbaugh and the charges had an amazing draft last year.

Large Park is Harbaugh, like was in the college world. Chip Kelly's been in the college world. He was just at Ohio State. Like, I think they're going to have a really good draft. They just have adults in the room in Vegas. And I just think they're going to be, Raiders are going to be competitive on a week-to-week basis in a way that I don't know if Raiders fans have felt in almost a decade. So I think the Raiders are the winners and it's not even close. I was thinking about this morning.

I can't, I still can't believe that Tom Brady hired a guy named SpyTech. It's so, it's so, like, chew on the nose, honestly. And the other thing is that it's actually insane. But the Brady thing, I actually underrated his involvement. Do you guys think I was dumb for that? Like, when I saw Brady's going to buy part of the team, I thought it was going to be closer to Jay Z owning a percent of the Nets and like you'd be there. No, I totally agree.

I did not expect that. I feel there's not a huge precedent of it. I mean, most of the time when these, like, rich athletes get involved in ownership deals, it's usually nominally. It's like people are part owners of the Red Sox. They're not actually making decisions. So I thought it was the exact. same thing. Yeah, and honestly, I guess it's similar to John Elway running the Broncos where he was,

you know, obviously a legendary quarterback. And his main thing was he recruited Peyton Manning and like that worked out. And they did build a great team and then they went off the rails. But I really, that was one of my bigger mistakes of the office system was I really underrated that the Brady phone call thing cannot be overstated. Like the amount of juice Brady has of when he gets on the phone with people and he's like, you forget all the stuff. You forget you competing with the chief. She's like, I'm here to win. And the amount of people that have already said that it's unbelievable to talk to him is I don't know. I am not going to count them out of anything going forward.

I know. That's the thing that I think is interesting about this Brady thing. And like, look, we make fun of Brady a lot for his announcing and he deserves it. But he is insane competitive. He is insanely competitive. And that's what made him great as a quarterback. That's what made him, you know, great throughout his whole career. And I think, I do think he will be a good, like, he will be a positive influence on the Raiders because of

competitiveness because he knows ball, all that stuff. You know, I do think this is a net, like a very big net positive for that. Also, Brady can't be a shitty announcer and have a shitty team. You know, he needs to win in one spot of his career right now. And if everyone's going to make fun of him and kind of like dispute this weird situation where he's an owner, but he's also an announcer and he can't say certain things, he at least has to have a good team. He can't fail at both parts of his, you know, post-playing career.

My take is, I think he's going to be a really good announcer next year. I think he's going to grind the announcer tape all offseason and he's going to get better. I think we take credit if he's good. Yeah. That's my take. The other thing. Craig specifically. Craig, Craig gets credit. They kept Max Crosby too, who's, to me, a top three defensive end in the entire NFL and they give him 32 a year, but he wanted out.

I think this is bold. I agree with you that Vegas should be in this top five, but I think some people are going to be upset that a team like, I don't know, Buffalo or maybe Baltimore is not there because it's like, if we're factoring in the Eagles, winning the Super Bowl, and that's why they're number one. That's kind of like this. Well, winning the Super Bowl, and I'm open to that, but here's my basically, Philly, Vegas, Washington, Denver are just to me from where they were, are over the moon. And then I have the next year, I have the next year as good vibes with Ravens, Buffalo Lions. And the reason I have like Raiders, and again, this is winning the Aussies.

It's not winning the Super Bowl. Obviously, the bills are close to winning the Super Bowl. This is nothing to do with being on the field. Then the Raiders. My point is, three months ago in early January, Bill's fans thought they were going to win the Super Bowl. as did Lions fans, as did Ravens fans. And I think that three months, two months later, they're more kind of upset that they lost.

Like Ravens fans didn't even make the championship game. And then they're bringing back, they're still bringing back Ronnie Stanley, worried that they're paying him after like the most healthy season of his career. I think Ravens fans are plateauing, if not a little, still licking their wounds from the loss. Raiders fans are more excited for the season than ever. And so I'm looking at that treadline of like,

that's winning the off season. There's more hope than ever. And so I look at that same thing for Washington of just the afterglow that season combined just the mad being around the city like the hope around jane daniels is the same we got jane daniels is enough to put them at number one on this list i know washington could actually probably be number two i think i don't know it's tough but they're probably right to be in that category just because the like the sheer reversal of vibes in vegas is so massive pierce was the head coach of the raiders was

having his we believe having his wages garnished yeah well there was a record that was happening yeah we don't know if that's happening but like it was like literally they were the i mean it was the worst situation in the NFL maybe outside with the Saints. It felt like, you know, not to like pile on, but it did feel like the Raiders were almost a minor league team. It was like, you know, just they have no shot. Essentially, they're there to develop players that will eventually sign with other teams. But no, they signed their big time superstar.

They got Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly. They have actually had the best offseason. They went from Gardner, Minchew, and Aidan O'Connell to Gino Smith. We went from Antonio Pierce to Pete Carroll. You could argue. And Chip Kelly, you could argue that's the biggest coaching upgrade and the biggest quarterback upgrade

anyone made all season. Yeah, because the rest of these teams were basically either they won the Super Bowl by 30 or in Washington, Denver, and the Rams, they basically massively exceeded expectations and had fantastic runs that were like pretty unexpected. And then you add that in with the Raiders who haven't done anything,

but the offseason has been so strong. And these other three teams are just like perennial playoff teams, Baltimore, Buffalo, Detroit. Exactly. That fell short once again. Not crazy off seasons, but probably high expectations

again heading into next year. I think if you look at Baltimore, Buffalo and Detroit, their off-season's in a vacuum, it's like, yeah, that was fine. I mean, I can understand the moves that they made, and ultimately I'm excited about, I'm still excited about where they're going, all as franchise, but I think with those three in particular,

Baltimore and Buffalo more, there's still that really strong seat of doubt. Like, I don't know if we can get over the hub. Like, we're good regular season teams. We're incredible in the regular season, and we always fuck it up in the playoffs. I don't know. I think you could add Detroit.

that they just lost Ben Johnson. But I was going to say, they're a little different, but yeah, yeah. I'm factoring coaching too. Detroit didn't just lose Ben Johnson. They lost. Yeah, Aaron Glenn. They lost eight coaches.

I think the Detroit thing is like, did we miss our window? Yeah, they lost a third of their staff. And I think that the way I look at Detroit, I am still high in Detroit. I am curious to see how they replace everything. But at the end of the day, like, they lost a third of their coaching staff.

And that was one of their biggest advantages was that they were coaching guys up. They had all these picks that hit. Again, draft picks hitting. And we'll talk about this with the draft show. Draft picks hitting is. is just magically picking players. You're picking good players. You also got to coach them.

And it's hard, like, it's hard to explain anyone in any industry what development, mentorship looks like. But, like, when you see a team like the Lions where every pick they had, more or less improved over a three-year window, that's coaching.

And when you remove a third of those coaches, you're like, all right, are we going to be able to do that again. So I think that's why I'm like, the Lions are not in better vibes than they were two months ago. That's why I have them as tier two. The Rams, maybe I'm cheating.

Maybe I should move the Rams down, but I just figured the way the defense was so dominant. The Rams just keep exceeding expectations every year in such a ridiculous way that these fans now, the bar is quite high because it's like what you just said with Detroit high. It's where half this coaching staff has gone to Detroit.

The Rams go through that every year or two. McVey is losing coordinators left and right, and yet every year he still manages to ductate the team together and win a game in the playoffs. And again, and again, I know I'm being ridiculous. But part of me did do these rankings on how do you win the offseason with the fans? At the end of the day, it is kind of like,

what's going on upstairs? What's the mental imagery? And with the Ravens and the Bills and the Lions when they start getting excited about next season, boom, true. shooting pain, intrusive thought, shooting across, oh my God, remember how last season ended? The Rams, you start thinking about the Rams next season. Rams fans are thinking, they're the only team that came close to beating the Eagles with Jalen Hertz in the last two months of the season outside. I mean, the Panthers game, I kind of don't even count it because that was, I believe, one of the first two games, Jalen Hertz came back from the concussion.

And he came back to her lady sucked. And I'm like, we got to learn to thrill those games out. When a quarterback is first game back from a concussion, we got to not count those anymore. And like, the Eagles almost, well, no, I'm just saying, why? You think that's crazy? We got to not count those anymore. What if they win? Not count to the standings.

What if he was awesome in that game? I mean, I think there's a gray area, sure, but also not counting them anymore. Of course. No, I don't mean, I'm being an idiot. I don't mean literally don't count them. I'm saying that like,

I over indexed during the season. I'm like, why did J. Leonard's play so poorly in that game? I'm like, well, he rushed back from the concussion. And like in a sport where getting the ball out fast is 2.0 seconds. And getting the ball out slowly is like 2.3 seconds. Right.

Like the entire sport. spectrum is between two and two. Half a second is the spectrum of getting the football out in the NFL. And so you have to be making decisions in 0.1 or 0.2 seconds, executing the decision in 0.2 seconds. And you have a concussion. If the concussion literally slows your processing down by 5%, you're late on the throw. And so, like, I just think that, like, I don't know, this happened with Tua, when Tua came back from the cussion a couple years ago and then we underrated the 2023 season because we were like, oh, I didn't play back. All right, I don't know. That's all. All that's to say, the only team that really gave the Eagles run was the Rams

and they have the youngest defense in the NFL basically. They have Jared Verse. All these guys are going to get better. I know we always say that, but like, holy cow, the rim's defense is incredible. And they kept Stafford and the Devante for Group of Cup is a huge upgrade. The Rams fans are, I should almost be like immune to the offseason where it doesn't even matter.

They can almost not pay attention because they know, oh yeah, I don't even know who half these guys are. We're just all these young guys are on the offensive line. It's going to work out. It works out every year. The Rams have become for me. and I'm guessing this is pretty common now that they feel like the team

where you just give them the benefit of the doubt on everything. It's essentially what you just said, Craig. It's like they'll figure it out. I mean, they're the team that I trust to figure it out and they'll be competitive every year. It's like your friend who just doesn't care about it. And he's like, oh, it'll work out. We're like, well, dude, I don't know.

How are we going to get there? The flight's not going to get it in time. It's like, it'll work out. That's the rims. Yeah, Sean McVeigh was a prodigy and his only weaknesses, it was like happy learned to put. His only weaknesses were like clock management and in-game management

and kind of himself and like now he's actually like better fourth down decision making he's way more aggressive way better with clock management like it's insane so okay any any other quibbles there

and sorry if people are bad at me but I'm like I think it's pretty fair to say that Ravens Lions bills are not as net excited of like they're not winning the offseason they're more plateaued yeah they're plateaued I think the Denver being in the top

I might quibble with that I think they're like solid but I agree with hyphids on this one I think Denver should be there I think Boe Nicks working and then making the playoffs and then having a solid offseason bringing in like real contributors. And Sean Payton's vision kind of starting to come together.

I don't know. I think considering where Denver was two years ago compared to now, I think fans are sky hot. Like in the depths of the Russell Wilson's doldrums. I just look at this Denver to you. And I'm just like, my initial reaction is just shot the Sean Peyton. He can't keep getting out why I want this? Like, because I hate it Sean Payton from a fantasy point of view.

I mean, one year ago today, it was like the Russell Wilson debacle. They're going to draft Bo Nix, who Sean Payton compared to Patrick Mahomes. We all made fun of them. They had Corlin Sutton coming off an injury. They have no other receivers. They have no running back. There was nothing positive about this team except a good defense going in. And they made the playoffs.

This team was good. Bo Nix was good. Who made more fun of Bo Nix than I did pre-draft? I called him Boomer Bo. In my defense, I did say there's two teams, three teams he would go to, and he needed a Sean Peyton. He needed Andy Reed. He needed Kyle Shanhan.

And my point was Shanhaned and Reed or take it. just Sean Payton that could save him. And he did, like, having said that, I did not believe Bo Nix could do what he did necessarily. I do think he'd have a long NFL career. Frankly, I don't think, I didn't think he had 29 touchdown passes in him as a rookie. And here's the thing.

If I told Bo Nix's season last year, wins rookie of the year almost down the other season. Like, Jayden Daniels deserved it last year. And C.J. Stroud probably still wins last year. But like the Garrett Wilson rookie of the year, that goes to Bo Nix. Jamar Chase probably goes to Bo Nix. Like, Kyler, he was pretty good, 2018. The Sequin rookie year goes to Bo Nix.

like Camaro's rookie year goes to Boenix. Like every non-quarterback of the last 10, 15 years who won Eddie Lacey, like all these other years. Eddie the year. I know. And so Broncos fans are kind of pissed at, frankly, people like me who discounted him. And even then, I'm starting to wonder like the arm. I think I underrated the arm strength too.

Everybody discounted him. Oregon fans discounted them. Yeah. And yeah. So, yeah. So I think Denver deserves to be top tier because I think Broncos fans. Broncos says over the moon. Well defended.

Well defended. I rescind my quibble. Good. So the top tier is fully torched. And then the good vibes tier is just Baltimore Buffalo Ravens. Sorry, Baltimore or Buffalo Lions. And again, that's good vibes but trending down. Because they used to be fully torched.

Lions. I mean, everyone knows these teams are great. But they went from midnight to 10 p.m. Yeah, they're midnight to 10 p.m. Exactly. They were fully torched. And now they're a little less torqued. Now these teams are good vibes getting torked, but they're trending up.

Got the blood flowing. And I'm going to read all the teams. And we can just. Lots of sexual wind up happening. The metaphor has persisted. All right. Well, maybe, yeah. Watch us scrap this whole episode.

Just hard as a diamond in an ice storm right now. You know, I'm not going to ask. Good vibes. Teams that are better off than they were a couple months ago. Chicago. Definitely. Mostly because of hiring Ben Johnson's head coach. New England.

Mostly because, to me, hiring Mike Frable's head coach. Cincinnati, we talked about him at length earlier this week, but you got Jamar Chase signed, you got De Hagan's signed. Joe Burroughs happy. That's great. Minnesota, going with J. G. G. McCarthy, like, Vikings Finns got to be weird season, but got to be happy. I don't know. There's still like a lot of weird flirtation with Aaron Rogers

happening right now. I know that there's like conflicting reports. So who knows, it probably won't happen. It's almost like nobody wants to be the one to say that they're in need of something. Everyone's like waiting for the other person to make the call. It's like the Vikings are like, we're good. Aaron Rogers is like, we're good. The Steelers are like, we're good. You make the first call. And nobody wants to do it. Nobody wants to standoff from the office, you know. Yeah, yeah, all the finger guns. Nobody wants to be the one to admit that they're desperate. Like the Vikings don't want to admit they're nervous about J.J. McCarthy.

The Steelers don't want to admit they need Aaron Rogers. And Aaron Rogers doesn't want to admit that he needs a fucking team and that nobody wants them. A hundred percent. That being said, I like the Vikings offseason a lot. But I will say the lingering Aaron Rogersness of this makes me like quibble with this just a bit. The only reason why they're not in good vibes in my opinion is just the quarterback stuff. It's just the uncertainty with the JJ Rogers. Because of McCarthy?

All that is a little bit too murky. Yeah, the Jay-J McCarthy stuff. I guess to me, like, nothing's changed. Like, if you look at the Darnold thing, the Vikings probably would have had to pay Donald more money. I mean, they definitely would have had to pay Donald more money to come back to a situation where he's not really the starter. And so at that point, why are you doing that?

I think that you drafted J.J.D.R. McCarthy, where you drafted him, you have to bank that he can play. And if they're that worried about him, honestly, I think they would have signed Daniel Jones. Like, and to me, that's the thing is you have, like the Vikings are the ones who know what's going on with McCarthy. He had a second surgery on the knee, which is that's the concerning part.

He lost a bunch of weight, but you know what? That happens sometimes. At some point he has to play. Like, he has to get reps. He has to at least practice. And so I think you have to bank on him. And so I like what the Vikings did in free agency, though.

Like, I am irrationally a Jonathan Allen fan defensive tackle. They have a bunch of defensive tackles that are all like 30 years old. Like they have Andrew Van Ginkle and Jonathan Godard on the edge rushers from last year who were phenomenal for Brian Flores and defense. But now they have Javon Hargrave, who was cut by the Niners because he was overpaid. but he's like when former earlier in his career, huge difference maker, he was part of that other Eagles team that made the Super Bowl two years ago.

Jonathan Allen, who was a very high first round pick for Washington, still kind of like are like, pigeonholed as a past rushing defensive tackle, but I look at Jonathan Allen as like, I don't know, you were on this awful Washington team that had no motivation at like being investigated

by five government agencies and I'm kind of like, maybe like half of run defense's effort. Kind of like, I don't know. If you can get more effort from Jonathan Allen, I wouldn't be shocked if like this is an incredible defensive line. And then they also signed, you know, Willie,

Willie Fries for the offensive line. I just like what the Vikings are doing. And we, yeah, we'll see what you guys. He signed Byron Murphy, who was one of the top cornerbacks on the market. They traded for Jordan Mason, which is kind of interesting. I don't think we talked about that. The running back. The Vikings trade for more running backs than anybody.

Didn't they trade for Cam Acres twice? They're the guy who doesn't own any power tools. He doesn't own any power tools, Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings coach. He just borrows it from his neighbor. And he's like, oh, Cam Acres from the Rams again, Aaron Jones from the Packers and Matt LaFleur again, Jordan Mason for the night. He just, his friends who run the same offensive scheme, he just lets them train the running backs. And then when they're tired of him, he goes and get them. Yeah.

Will fries, Ryan Kelly, the center from the Colts, they signed him. And then they, like I said, they re-signed Aaron Jones and traded for Jordan Mason, obviously trying to bulk up their run game. I like a lot of the stuff that they did in the offseason for sure. Other ones that I think are good vibes. The Buccaneers for attaining a lot of. I'm just going to read the list, but Buccaneers for retaining their players. Just keep the good vibes going. Keep the, you know, good times going. Arizona, who, I mean, they went and got, I mean, they didn't have a huge offseason, but I think

Arizona is an ascending team. And they went and got, the big one was Josh Sweat from the Eagles, the defensive end, who played for Jonathan Gannon as the Cardinals head coach. I think that's a big signing, you know, it's not like life changing, but I think overall the Cardinals vibes are good. Atlanta, that sounds a little nuts, but from two months ago with Kirk Cousins and everything, I think that like I think Falcons Finns have to be excited about Michael Pennings in this team and what you saw and overall like you know I don't think they're that upset about Yeah Texans Texans 8 people I Fitzs just decreed with me

I don't know what you said I that name is locked out of my mind Oh yeah Oh that's just trauma repression I don't I don't know he has that word muted Yeah I wish I could do that in real life mute words yeah and then yeah I've Texans because they're just I mean they still have strapped and they're blowing up the, I think firing Bobby Sloak's good. And then the charges, just because, sure, Jim Harbaugh's going, getting old recruits like White Whales, talk yourself into it. Have a few quibbles. Please.

Same. I think Arizona and good vibes is probably one tier too high. The next category we have is no vibes. I kind of feel like that is more Arizona speed. Because the way I look at this list that you have here is like, there's at least something you can hang your hat on here for every team. It's like Chicago, you have Ben Johnson and you have, The Future of Caleb Williams.

Right. The future. New England, you have Mike Rable and Drake May, who's already had an awesome rookie season. And together, the Patriots fixed. They didn't just get coaches. The Patriots fixed. Well, not fixed.

I hate that word, but like have defensive players where they didn't use to. And the Bears have an offensive line. Yes. Right. In a way that they did not. It feels like there's a plan for both teams. And theoretically the best play call on the league. Cincinnati, you have the best quarterback receiver duo in the league.

Minnesota, you won 14 games last year. You pretty much brought everybody good back and did good in the off season. Tampa is a team like you said brought everybody back. They make the playoffs every year. Baker's playing really well. Even Atlanta, I'm like Michael Pennix. flashed. You have a really strong offense. There's a lot of positive vibes going in.

Houston. Stroud is still an ascending guy, still made the playoffs, won a playoff game. And then the charges I also have a quibble with. But Arizona, I don't really know what you have to hang your hat on if you're Arizona. They won eight games last year. Kyler Murray, I think everyone agrees is probably not the franchise quarterback.

The vibes king. Marvin Harrison didn't play that well. This is like the number 32 ranked like a franchise from the Players Association or whatever. Just terrible. That's a good call. service and everything. Yeah, they're like making you pay out of a vending machine for lunch. I understand that maybe the division's going to be worse,

so you can hang your hat on the fact that Seattle and San Francisco might not be great. But in general, I don't know if they're in the same category here as like Cincinnati or Chicago. They still know to me as well, Craig. Wait, I forgot. I'm pulling up the team report card right now. Are you saying that the Arizona Cardinals who got an F for weight room C plus for set strength coach, which is horrific? That's someone you see every day, game is C plus.

And locker room is F minus. You think the vibes are not good? Yeah, yeah. And I believe they were either last or close to last last year, too. So they haven't done anything to improve anything. C plus for strength coach is sneakily like as bad as an F because they don't give a shit if they're talking about the food's bad. But the strength coach, to give your strength coach to see every other strength coach gets a B or A. That's tough.

It's like great inflation. Is he like bullying the players? Like what's the deal with this guy? That's tough because it's like one guy. So like he's reading that great. He's like, that's me. It's the, I think you should leave me. I'm like, what the fuck?

What the fuck? That's really funny. Okay, so are the Cardinals no vibes, or are they bad vibes? Like, if Green Bay is no vibes, Arizona deserves the group of free vibes. Yeah. So the other, the other, well, the other No Vives teams, I had the Cardinals, the Panthers, the Packers, and Dolphins. Dolphins I pre-approved with Carlos, because I feel like, I don't know, there's no, like, there's no vibes. The big move is Liam Eichenberg, a guard, and like, I don't know.

There's no, like, Tyreech's probably not going to get traded. Green Bay, I don't know, they haven't done, they're not a free agency team. The Packers are not. They don't participate in this time of the offseason, which I think is. probably smart, but they're like... They did go for Aaron Banks. And that's, like, I think, a questionable move. But, yeah, that's about it.

But I think isn't that kind of the exception that proves the rule? Packers' big signing was signing a guard from San Francisco named Aaron Banks. Totally. Like, I don't know. If you're doing that, I don't think you have any vibes. The only other name in the good vibes trending up that I wanted to bring up is the Chargers, where I think the Chargers are on hold, I think, because I really, I really, really need to see what they do in the draft, and I know it's smart.

So it's like, I don't love anything really that's happening with the Chargers offensively other than their offensive line. Like, them just only going and getting Mike Williams and then signing Najee Harris is, like, still not enough for me to get excited. Maybe they go trade up and draft Tet or they get a receiver in the first round. They take the Michigan tight end to Colston Loveland to bring him back with Jim Harbaugh because they really need a tight end. But the defense, they made some good signings.

I just don't know if, like, the vibes are really trending that up with the Chargers? That's fair. They cut Joey Bosa and they added, they brought back Cleo Mac. I think overall, the way I look at the charges, I think it's going to be a bunch of small moves. The Chargers, to me, are similar to Washington. I was talking about how Washington needs to get bigger because they were bullied by the Eagles. I think the most underrated part of NFL team building that we don't talk about it. Nobody talks about enough is teams are obsessed with how they lost their division games and how they lost their season.

Yeah. And then the Chargers are going to be obsessed with that, you know, the Texans game. But also I think Jim Harbaugh is going to spend his whole offseason thinking about how he lost to the Ravens and his brother. I know that sounds crazy. But the Ravens bullied him. The Ravens, like his older brother gave him a Nuggy. And the Chargers roster, that was the Brandon Staley roster, which was lighter, smaller, more defensive backs. They didn't have the muscle and they got moved.

And they didn't have the spine. Like, they didn't have the, they're just, they were playing all this, they were playing all these, like, five defensive back personnel and six defensive backs on the field at the time just because that's who the roster was. And so they're adding little guys in the charges. Like, you know, you got, I don't know. I'm not saying these guys are going to be good. But like, you look at Deshawn Hand and like some of the like lesser defensive tackles.

They had a tier tart. And I'm like, I'm not saying this guy's going to be good. But like, Jalen Rager resigning didn't move yet. You know, as I'm saying, what the fuck am I talking about? Yeah, no vibes for the charges. Jesus. I just, I don't know. The offense is Mike Williams, Jalen Rager and Najee Harris.

That's, that is crazy. And then Mackay Beckton, which is, I think, also a question mark. Beckton, I'm curious to see. It's exciting enough, I guess, but yeah. Yeah, Beckton, we'll see. He's just a big guy. I think the hard budget's big guys. It's weird the commitment to slow people.

Naji's like the slowest capable starting running back in the NFL. Mike Williams post the injury is certainly one of the slower, like, he's not a separation guy. If they go draft Trayvion Henderson out of Ohio State to pair with Naji Harris and then they go get Colston Loveland to be like an offensive past catching tight end, the vibes will change immediately. But right now, I think it's worrisome again what this offense is going to look like. Who's the funniest running back or receiver the charges could pair to just like the slowest skill player the charges could add to this group?

Oh, that's a great question. Scataboo? Yeah. Scataboo? Oh, my God. That's a great answer. Scatabu and Najee just running a 4-8. He's kind of like Nagey in some ways where he's really, I think he's actually a very skilled, good player.

But the question is just speak. Like, is he fast enough? That's actually a funny comment. Like if the Chargers had gotten T. Higgins and then drafted Colson Lovell. then the vibes would be astronomical. Yeah. You know what we should do? You know how like we should, at some point I forget what age you're supposed to

retake your driver's license test, not soon enough, probably like 80. We should do that with NFL players make it run the 40 again. Yeah. We should make Najee run the 40. When you get to like 28, 30, you got to do it again. The 30-year-old combine would be really funny. Oh, my God. I think it would be a lot worse than we even think.

Like, imagine these guys running the 40 now. Four-nine? Four-nine. Four-ten? That's a really a 30-yard dash now. Fight flat. All these guys are getting in the track stance and they're like making a sound as they get down. That sounds like me now getting up from a chair.

Demending down to pick up your kids' toys. So I know I'm 30. Okay. Oh yeah. Wait, speaking of, it was Hyvitz's birthday yesterday. You're 30 years old. Yeah. How you feeling?

Older, hotter, wiser? You can only have two of those three, which? Hotter and wiser because everyone else now knows I'm older. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel good, though? Do you care having the first? three in front of your age? I think I successfully divested from my, um, like self work, my self-identity being in the 20s. I spent the last year and a half freaking out that I'd be 30

and then I realized, you know what? I've already been 30. Like, you know what? I made a dinner reservation a couple months ago at 545 at night. I came, we came back at age. We're like, who are those kids going out? Like, I make it sourdough now. Like, I'm 30 years old already. Yeah. I am 30. I've been 30. You guys are chopping it up about bread. Like, yeah. I'm talking about crumb structure. I'm old. Like, I am old. I'm okay, I'm happy with it. Did our gift arrive for you yet or no? I actually think it might have come to the door.

I didn't open it. Is it, should I go get it? Yeah, at the end of the show, yeah, go get it. Okay, we can get at the end of the show. Any other things jump out to you? Tampa, Atlanta, Houston, like, yeah, sure. No, I think the rest of it makes sense. Houston's an interesting one, I would say,

just because they're completely revamping their offensive line. Is it good vibes to get rid of your offensive line if a team hates the offensive line? I couldn't. I know. Transparency, I couldn't. Exxon's fans, I couldn't decide. I didn't know what your vibes were. I liked, honestly, I liked some of the other stuff they did, but redoing their

offensive line makes a question mark for me. But, like, I think Christian Kirk is a good fit for their offense. I think that's an interesting move that they made. They traded for him. They traded for CJ Gardner Johnson, who's always like a fun player to watch and he always gets into it with other players. I don't know. I guess you could quibble with it.

It's not like a big deal, but I don't really know what the vibes are in Houston. Maybe they're closer to no vibes. Yeah, Houston's no vibes. I mean, offensive line, you're just moving logs around. Who cares? All right, bad vibes, but this is different. And I, you can, this is to me as bad vibes, but trending up.

As in you were bad vibes, but you were like kind of before like pretty atrocious vibes. I have the Titans and the Jagu versus the two teams here that were bad, but like, we're awful, but are now bad. So that's kind of good. Titans is like, you had Will Levis and now you have the number one overall picks. The vibes have to be better. Titans are good.

I'm going to take Cam Ward, the quarterback got on Miami, and, like, I know people keep saying it's not a great quarterback class, but I'm like, dude, Cam Ward, I think Camorne, I think Camor can be pretty good. Like, they invested in the offensive line. I know I made fun of them for paying Dan Moore Jr. at left tackle. But you know what? You should overpay to give a rookie quarterback a good offensive line. That is what you should do. And between that, Dave, Jayceal them a first round pick at right tackle. They have Peter Scronsky a first round pick at left guard. They have a center of their choosing. Brian Callahan, the head coach's dad. It's just Nepo Dad, just like the best off-funds line coach in the NFL. I don't know. I think it's not Will

Levis is a great bitch. I agree. You're the number one pick in the draft in the offseason. You will talk yourself into having having the worst record, the whole, the only silver lining the whole thing is you get to have the first pick for the next six months. It's fun. You're the most talked

about team. You've been rooting for your team to lose in the regular season so that you can feel good about right now. The other team I have here is bad vibes, but better than it was very recently is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who I wouldn't say are doing great, but literally two months ago, The offensive coordinator for the Tampa Babiocaneers declined to take your job, as did Ben Johnson, because you had a crazy little finger character as your general manager.

Addition by subtraction. And they fired him and then they hired Liam Cohen. And so that alone literally is enough for you to not be atrocious vibes anymore, Jackson. I agree. Yes. I think Liam Cohen, apart from like the weirdness of his Duval thing, I think the vibes are good with him. I think people are optimistic about him. I think that's correct.

The fifth pick in the draft, Brian Thomas is a star. It's like, I think there are things that you can at least. be optimistic about. The GM they replaced bulky with, though. Is Trump Colt 34. Dude.

I mean, he looks like he's 22 years old. He really looks like Solex older brother. Like this guy, James Glad. Google,

and look, he might be really good at the job. I don't know. It's not like, we always say, like, you don't have to give it to retreads, but I'm like,

you look at James Gladstone and I'm like, he looks like, he looks like a quality control coach. He is, it has to be the only GM in the modern internet era that does not have a Wikipedia page.

He also has to be the only one that's going to get carded at a bar. And also, we got an email from Connor. Con. Jaguars General Manager James Gladstone was the wide receiver coach on my high school team, my senior year. Wow. I don't remember him being that impressive as a coach. At high school level.

And the news that he was hired as the GM of an NFL team was surprising to me and everyone from my high school that I'm still in touch with. Hmm. which I actually think not being remembered is worse than bad memories. Right. He's not even the first Gladstone that comes up on Google. It's a Canadian politician, born in 1887. James Gladstone, Canadian politician?

Yep. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's the first claim. The first treaty Indian to be appointed to the Senate of Canada. Okay, cool. That's sick. Shout to James Gladstone.

Oh my God, he became a statusity at age of 33. That's the James Gladstone age. Are they related? I highly doubt it. That would be incredible. By the way, I really like when people email us when they like knew someone from their former life and give us the little tea on it. I love that.

Do you think if you know anyone we've been talking about, let us know? Do you think James Gladstone should go by Jim just to kind of age him up a little bit? I think that's a really, yeah, Jim Gladstone. No, James is the older version. Oh, I like Jim. Jim Gladstone. How the hell are you? Jim?

You have to stick out your hand aggressively. I don't know anybody in their 20s named Jim Gladstone. DK, when was the last person named a person named Jim younger than you? Great point. If anyone who listening goes by Jim and you're under 35, please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com and how that came to be and what your life is like. We're going to have a competition for the youngest gym. Email us. Oh, yeah.

Who's the youngest gym we can find? Jim, not Jimmy. Jim. You can't know somebody. You need to be the gym. Yeah. Email us and with your age and we'll... You're the jar.

If we say the name Jim, the more it sounds funny to me. Dude, I saw this little dog in a dog park and I was like... I saw this little tiny, like a French bulldog. It was like, what's his name? And they're like, Jim. And we're like, Jim! I know. What other moves can Jim here make to kind of age himself up?

Maybe some glasses grow up with facial hair. His photo on the Jaguar's website is he's not... He's shaved like his cheeks really well, but he has the mustache shave. but like I can see the aftergrowth. So it's like it kind of just highlights that he can't really grow a mustache to me. Yeah, what is the best? Actually, I'm curious now.

What is the best way to age yourself up? Do you start wearing like peaky blinders outfits? I think the haircut is a problem. It's kind of a little macklemorey. It's in certain photos. Oh, Maclemore. You can't just say that about a guy. With the long hair on top.

Maybe it's not allowed to say that anymore. He's 34. Maybe he goes with some touch of gray, you know? Oh, like, dye your hair gray. Yeah. He goes a little touch of gray on the sides. Um, we can even I think wearing a,

do you think wearing a tie would age him up a little bit? He's, he's wearing no tie in like all these pictures. Yeah, he's unbuttoned too. Yeah, I mean, there's, at the combine, he was wearing like a hoodie and a jacket.

That's a problem. We didn't have any clothes. He was wearing like Viori stuff. He's in, he's in, at leisure. Yeah, absolutely.

Sure. Maybe he needs like a bit of, maybe a beer gut. That would help. That would help. That would help. He's definitely young enough that he played fantasy football. And I kind of want to go through his old

fancy football teams. A beer gut and a touch of gray on the sideburns might help. All right, so Jaguars fans that's competitor vibes. I mean, look, you can't be worse than trend bulky. I hope. Okay. These teams are bad vibes and I think you're trending down. Like, you

might feel worse. Like, you used to be no vibes are good. I'm starting with the Steelers. Where I disagree with this, but okay. So I thought at first the D.K. Metcalfe trade was good vibes. Dude, I think Steelers fans are most, and Craig, I'm curiously think my read on Steelers fans is they're mostly kind of like so we just don't have a

quarterback and we have the 21st pick in the draft. It's kind of incredible. May, maybe you're right. I don't know if they're trending down. They are bad vibes. I was going to see their bad vibes trending up because I don't know, last year we were coming out of Kenny Pickett and getting Justin Fields and Russell Wilson, which was weird. I will say this time around, it seems like a lot of players are unhappy, more unhappy, at least publicly than last year. Cam Hayward on this podcast is like openly. pissed about this situation and kind of doesn't want him. I have the quote.

You want to read it? Dude, Cam Hayward, who we played beerwood pong with at Radio Row and the defense tackle for the Steelers. Great guy, by the way. He's like, the NFL version of elderly. He's like, what is he, 35? Where he's starting to say whatever he thinks. He's the largest man I've ever seen in real life.

Yeah, he's, dude, he's huge. He has the biggest hands, the thickest fingers I've ever encountered. Cam Hayward, because we've met him, we'll just call him 35 instead of going on 36. And Cam Hayward said, he said, I ain't doing that dark this retreat. He was asked about Aaron Rogers. Like, I'm not doing that dark this retreat. I don't need any of that crap. Either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't. It's that simple.

That's the pitch. Man. If you want me to recruit, that's the recruiting pitch. Pittsburgh Steelers, you want to be part of it. So be it if you don't. No skin off my back. Can you tell they're tired? I love this guy. I love this guy. I really can't tell it's tough because the the DK Metcalf thing was so cool and exciting and fun. The Steelers never do anything like that.

But then the Kim Hayward quotes, waiting for Aaron Rogers to ask you to the dance is embarrassing. Also, have you guys been seeing any of the Najee Harris quotes with the Chargers talking about his time in Pittsburgh? What did he say? Some weird quotes. Give me a second here to find them. He said, my time in Pittsburgh, it was a lot of learning things, a lot of learning experiences, playing for Mike Tomlin, playing in that division.

There were a lot of ways I didn't even realize what the NFL was really about. And he goes, I feel like I didn't get it done. I feel like I was obviously missing something. It was just interesting years there. Yeah, I'll just say that, interesting years. And then he was talking about showing up. to L.A. and talking about the difference in facility quality. And he was

like, I didn't know it could be like this. I didn't know other teams had stuff like this. It is very different in Pittsburgh. It is much more old school like hard nose. L.A. like just having all of these people at your disposal and equipment at your disposal is very different than what we had in Pittsburgh, which... They've got poppy

in the bending machine, probably. Yeah, those players we talked about at the combine. They're great to low across the floor. It was surprising, actually, for such a revered franchise to be so like middling, in all the grades that they had for the way that they treat the players. Yeah, that was definitely weird. The report card up right now, they got a D for locker room,

and they got a C plus for training room, a C plus for weight room, a C minus for strength coach, a C plus for nutrition, a C minus for treatment of families. Yeah, Najee said in his presser with the charge of, he goes, man, the facility's here, it's not like this everywhere else. And he's only been on one team, so he's talking about Pist's correct. He doesn't know that anywhere else looks like. Yeah. The one thing I will say that kind of, I'm reading between the lines a little bit on this.

Maybe I'm making it up. But like he wasn't really beloved by the fans, right? Like the fans kind of complained about him a lot. He was liked a lot the first year, right? And then it went downhill. I think for a couple of years, I mean, because he's such like a gregarious, like cool guy. Right.

He's a great guy, but everyone was like, this guy's slow as fuck. Can we get someone else? Yeah. I don't think anybody thought that he was the problem the whole time in the Matt Canada era and before it. But yeah,

I think people were like, yeah, this guy kind of was a flop. I think that there's a lot of, there's probably, that too where it's like you don't really feel appreciated. You don't feel like you lived up to your billing or people view that anyway. It just feels like, there's probably a little that going on too. It feels like with the Steelers, like the, I don't know, the chickens are coming home to roost a little. It feels like they're at the end of this 50 year run of kind of just penciling in being a good team.

Even Art Rooney's now pissed and starting to talk about this is not the team. I didn't buy a team to to suck every year, not have a quarterback. We're in a weird spot now. Like, they need to invest a lot more money in this team and the infrastructure around it. And again, so the- The decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Yeah. I still think this, I know I said this before, but the Steelers Seahawks trade,

I look at it as two teams in midlife crisis of being slightly better than average. And the Seahawks, like, shaved their head and, like, had a, like, a moment of who they really are. And the Steelers bought a sports court with D.K. Metcalfe. And you look at the other moves they made, signing Kenny Gainwell to a one-year deals of running back, like, okay. they got the TKMACCF trade. Honestly, the biggest move they made was they re-signed Mason Rudolph

a quarterback, which I think is depressing in that it's a good move because you're like, all right, you've got nothing else. Now you just, it's been a week. At least we got Rudolph. Yeah, at least you bring up a backup quarterback who's been there before, sure. But like, man, when Mason Rudolph,

who couldn't even really successfully, like put the lid on Will Levis era in Tennessee, like he was kind of, where they took him longer than you thought to get Mason Rudolph in. He's a backup. He's a backup. He's a backup.

And like, that's the second biggest move. They made other than I guess Dary's Slate, cornerback. But I don't know. I'm curious what you think, Craig, but at the end of the day, the Steelers, like, I, I think that Tomlin has a lot in common with Belichick, where there's been so much success. It actually has led to some arrogance about how badly you need to address the quarterback when you lose that quarterback guy, whether it was Brady for Belichick or Rothensburg for the Steelers. Yeah, it's like resume paralysis, where you can look back at all of these

things that Tomlin has done and it kind of, it hinders you from progressing or changing anything. and frankly, like, they need to evolve on defense. That's the other thing. I think it's easy. I know we're talking a lot about the Steelers, but my criticism of the Steelers in the past has been people. How Matt Canada's offensive coordinator, or anything bothered me?

Because everyone just talked about it, like Mike Tomlin wasn't Matt Canada's boss. You know what I mean? Like, Mike Tomlin's not in charge of the offense. Like, he's the head coach. It's not like Matt Canada is his own fiefdom in offense. Like that Mike's the job. And the other, that's easy, though, is to say,

the harder, the harder, cold or worst truth is that Tomlin's fallen behind the curve on defense, like big time. The Ravens, I was in that Ravens locker room after they beat crap out of them in the playoffs. The Ravens offense, they were kind of laughing about what the Steelers were trying to do to disguise. They're so far behind the curve of what teams like the Ravens were doing. Like the Steelers are also kind of that Seahawks Pete Carroll style lineup play, were better than you. That doesn't work anymore. It's like if every other defense is doing all this slate of hand, disguising everything,

the time. Slate of hand. Fuck. You always say that. It's fine. That's the other one. It does look like that. For the record,

it rhymes of weight. Why would you call it slate? Yeah. Why would it be slight? There's a different word called slight. Like you have one of those.

Yeah. Anyway, slate of hand. Whatever. Doesn't it feel like if Sean McVad, the Steelers roster, they'd win like 13 games?

You guys have gone soft. The old YouTube would have rocked for that. We would have left. You've gone so soft. We've just heard it before. There's blood in the water. I want something new. I remember back when I would mispronounce something,

Dicke would literally lick his chops, be like, what did? Maestro? Myestro? Also, I think Solek not being here. He likes to whip up a little bit of, you know, we missed Solek for that, among many reasons,

but yeah. I also had the Seahawks here. The other bad vibes themes, I also had the Seahawks here. Are the Seahawks vibes bad or good? I couldn't tell. I honestly don't know. It depends on who you talk to

because I think there was a camp of Seahawk fans that didn't like Gino and didn't like DK. They were definitely. the two like most polarizing Seahawk players. They're the two best, two of the best players, but also I think a lot of people did kind of get sick of both of them.

There was a huge camp of Seahawk fans that just did not think Chino Smith was the answer. So I think those fans are certainly very happy. And then I think there's also a camp of Seahawk fans that were just like tired of DK's shit kind of deal. Like he just gets these weird penalties. He's kind of immature, whatever. Even though he's, I think he's a really good player,

I think there was certainly a contingent of fans that were just like, all right, wow. I don't have to worry about that anymore. So I think, you know, some fans might be pretty stoked about what's going on. I think big picture, though, vibes are down because you're replacing two of your best players with Sam Darnold. They signed to Marcus Lawrence and free agency. He's, you know, getting older. I think there's some uncertainty whether he's going to be great.

Cooper Cup. I mean, he's been hurt every year, the last three years. He's basically hurt every season, it feels like. And he's washed potentially. Why did the Rams get rid of him? honestly like the Rams dropped this guy for nothing. That's a huge red flag. So I think that, you know, there's, there's.

And they also were so public about like, no, no, no. And they were trying to trade. And they were like, could he come back to the Rams, Cooper Cup? And they're like, GM was like, that's the least likely option. Yeah. So let's, yeah, that's a bad. That's a red flag for sure. So I think that there's, it just depends.

There's probably a mixed bag here with the C-Ox. I think generally big pick. sure, though, vibes a little bit down. There is a mystery box element to this that I think some people are optimistic about. So I would say that. So other teams that I had as bad vibes, but also you could totally convince me I'm wrong

and are good vibes. One, the Indianapolis Colts, who I feel like, I couldn't know how to categorize them because they're signing Daniel Jones. I'm pretty biased on that. At the end of the day, I don't know if Colts fans are talking

themselves into that, excited for Richardson to get better, freaking out that Daniel Jones is your plan B to Richardson. I actually like all the other moves the cults made. I mentioned Cam Bynum, the safety.

They signed who he did all the cool rom-com celebrations and the funny touchdown or turnover dances. But he's a good safety. The Colts have Louer in a room or a defensive coordinator. I think that's a big one for them.

And they also signed Charveris Ward, the cornerback. I like the moves they've made in the secondary in Indianapolis. I just felt weird having the cults above bad vibes when at the end of the day,

like Daniel Jones, scaring Anthony Richardson straight is literally like plan A, B and C. Right. Yeah, that's tough. I think that makes it tough. I would say this is right.

It'd be interesting to get the opinion of some Colts fans right now, but I'd say there's definitely consternation of what the hell is going on in the quarterback position. The quarterbacks are year three, Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones. And the Colts are picking 14th in a draft where it's widely believed like there's kind of not a huge difference between the 10th and like 38th pick, which is also kind of pretty frustrating if you're a Colts fan. You know what I mean?

Like there's a change thing. any of these teams in this range can take someone, you know, hopefully they get a defensive end to pair with L'R. Stiken and Ballard coaching slash jamming for their jobs this year? I think how it feels. I think, yeah. I think Ballard, it's weird because Jim Bursay is like this mercurial guy, but I think Chris Ballard waited. So Andrew Luck retired and they never got over it. And they had, I think, seven quarterbacks start, seven different quarterbacks started each week one between Andrew Luck last year.

and Anthony Richardson was like the first guy to come in and actually start on week one, I think multiple years. Do you think we could name all seven? Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers. Wentz. Wentz. Jacoby Reset is four.

Preset. Who was that guy that took over right away for Andrew Luck? He had like long hair. Oh, oh God. What was his fucking name? I think Preset came in for luck immediately, right? Oh, maybe I'm thinking of the guy who took over for Peyton Manning.

Never mind. Oh, Curtis Painter? Yeah. I went back to too far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's as bad as any quarterback ever watched. He's up there with like, Curtis Painter is up there with down there. By the way, best player, his hometown's ever seen by far.

Yeah. If you actually went to high school or no of anyone who like was around and saw any of these quarterbacks like Deshawn Kaiser, Curtis Painter. Curtis Painter was a fucking God in high school. Nathan Peterman. Any of these awful quarterbacks and you saw them play in high school? You're like, oh my God, this is the best guy ever seen. I want to know someone who went to high school with Nathan Peterman.

Yeah. What was Nathan Peterman? Man's like recruiting. I'm curious about that now. I got to plug in my charger one moment. All right. Oh, you do that. We're going to need Nathan.

He was a four-star recruit to Tennessee. Nathan Peterman was a three-star, so not that great. He was out of Jacksonville. Dude, he was a four-star recruit. What are you talking about? Well, it says three-star here for 24-7 sports, but whatever. They probably updated it when he threw the six picks. Yeah, they're like, we got a down-grat quietly.

They're like, put him down three-star. I didn't think he was that good. Craig, you are right there? It looks like he died. How's your back doing? Seems terrible. No, it is getting better day by day. Your posture is considerably better today.

My mobility is improving every day, but the pain is still similar, which is weird. I don't actually know what that means. Like, I can move more and more each day, but once I hit to the point of no longer being able to move, that pain I feel is just as bad. Got it. You know what I mean? Would you say that it's the surrounding muscles have locked up? And you can't move. You have like no mobility.

Are you diagnosing me? Every time you like try and move it an inch, it like hurts like fuck or is it just like your actual spine hurts? Yeah, I am diagnosed. I'm trying to diagnose you without knowing anything about anything. I, my spine physically does not hurt to the touch if that's what you're asking. It's more like the surrounding muscles are just locked up. Yeah. Yeah, I suppose.

Okay. Just checking. So back injury while we're here, we got an email from some of the back injury. And this is Andrew. Drew Ski. Drew says, someone parked too close to my car. So I had to pick up my three-year-old sideways and kind of muscle him in his car seat using just my arms. The next morning, I wake up, feeling a little stiff.

My wife and I get a three- and two-year-old ready for daycare ahead of the garage. My three-year-old demands that he be the one to hit the garage door open around the wall. So I pick him up. He hits it. And I immediately just feel like a hot knife stabbed into my lower back. It starts spasming. And I'm the kind of person who swears through pain, but now I'm with my two- and three-year-old. So I can't.

So I put them down. lay down and they're screaming get up dad out like it's like simba over mufasa and they're screaming they think they killed him yeah and then he just takes his wife and she's like trying to help him he's like leave me leave me and she gets to the car drives the kids and he sits there and the neighbor comes over like he's okay and he's like oh and he just crawls into the house it took him like 20 minutes to get in the house yeah there's no dignity in aging guys there's no dignity and also the back injury is the most embarrassing i mean you are truly immobilized on the floor flopping around like a turtle on your back.

I also think it's funny we know so little about our back. Maybe other people do, but I feel like I know, I know so little about what's going on back there, so to speak. Who? I know. It's, yeah, I think God, Liz was there. I was literally on my back like a, like a beached whale calling for her. My phone was not within reach.

If I was alone, I would have been a hour. You got to get that life alert necklace, Craig. Fallen and I can't get up. D.K. should we get that for him for his birthday. That's actually a really good idea. You guys should have got me that life alert. Gardner Minchu, Colts quarterback? Sounds right.

Did you sign him? No, no. I'm saying is he the sixth starter that we haven't named? Oh, yeah, he is. Minchu. We only need one more now. We have six out of seven. Wait, now I already forgot who we named.

We named Matt Ryan, Phil. Rivers, Wentz, Rensh, Wensk. Winshue. That's five. Richardson. Six. We need seven. Sam Ellinger.

Ellinger? I don't think he was week one. Nick Foles. I'm actually just reading the list here. Nick Foles feels right. Brian Hoyer started a game. Week one, though? Oh, no, I don't know about week one.

It's week one starters. They had a different one. So after Andrew Luck, it was Jacoby Reset, Philip Ruther Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Gardner, Minchew. Oh, the last one's Andrew Luck. Oh, okay. Andrew Luck's 2018.

I think we got them. But you also can throw in. Sam Ellinger started three games. Nick Foals started two games. Brian Hoyer started one game. Anyway, Colts, yeah, we'll talk a lot about the cults. And Flacco. I kind of think at the end of the day, just buy the dip on Richardson.

I don't know. I know I was joking before, but if he really flames out, the Eagles are going to take a flyer on him, just make it work. Speaking of Wentz, I just saw some news that came across my blue sky here. Carson Wentz, Browns have mutual interest as a bridge key B if team doesn't sign Russell Wilson. God. It's getting dark. That's so full circle. Yeah.

Oh, my God. that's that's uh that's pretty tough do you remember carson wince's left-handed interception god that was the best mutual interest is is a bummer that's like you guys are making eyes at each other across the bar we got more news on that than the um than we got on the rogers stuff but that's really full circle because the browns traded down with the eagles for the carson wence pick in 2016 that was the team with the number two pick titans had the number one pick and they trade with the rams for golf and then the brown's the number two pick and they trade with the equals for wence and that's kind of like a

I feel like that's like one of the things Carson Wentz like you're like you write down your little motivation thing you're like oh they're going to make the Browns pay and then it's like a decade later and both of you have just gone through ego death and it's kind of sad the Carson Wentz thing is funny

and I don't know him personally so this is just based on things you hear but like one of the biggest problems of his career is just like no one likes him yeah super yeah do you think do you think that's why he wants important qualities in the workplace

in any profession really I mean honestly Do you think that's why he wants to go to the Browns is because it's the only quarterback room where he's like more likable. This guy's the best. It's like Tom Cruise, the short people. It's like,

but Carson wants to the show on Watson. Everyone's like, I love this guy. That's actually, there's something there. I think there's something there's kind of like not loved until on the Browns was Joe Flacco. I would say Joe Flacco was like remarkably loved in like Denver.

I feel like he changed his, his personality changed as he got older. Maybe he got like a sleep apnea mask and he started getting like real sleep or something. because I felt like his personality went from like I'm a surly asshole all the time to like kind of the fun uncle His kids are in high school now, it's easier.

So the other teams I've bet I probably shouldn't have them is tell me if I'm crazy for this. So the other teams have bad vibes. I'm San Francisco because they lost like nine players and I just think maybe that's aggressive. Yeah, the guys are low with them. I think the Niners fans are pretty like a little crushed about all this.

They are. Yes. I mean, God, what was the record this year? They won five games of 16. That's crazy. So the other one that I think is bad vibes is Kansas City. And I know that's a little insane. But like you come off the high if you think you're going to, you're preparing yourself mentally for sports and mortality.

We can't be killed. No one can kill us. Yeah, the only three Pee. I don't think I can die. You don't think I can die. And then you died. And then you look at what they did. Did you fall?

Did you fall? I love that from the nice guys is like maybe the funniest scene. I quoted constantly. He goes, I told you to go to the roof. He goes, I did. And he looks at him like, did you fall? I don't think I'd die.

He was like scolding him. Did you fall? If you look at what the chiefs did, they just brought back, they're like the Steelers. Like bringing back Kareem Hunt at running back is like, wow, like that's the best you got.

I'm sure they're going to drop the running back. But they have to. Like again, Mike Calliendo coming back to be a guard, like getting rid of Joe Tuny. So like they didn't want to pay Joe Tuny money. I'm like, all right.

So like they pay Tray Smith. They franchise tagged them. So you're going to pay Tray Smith, a lot of money to come back at right guard. And then you're also, you already gave Creed Humphrey a contract at center, and so they ain't got to figure out left guard. You got to figure out left, like,

I guess Kingsley Suamataya, who was, they drafted at the end of the second round last year. I guess the goal was for him to be a left guard, but really it's because he failed at left tackle last year as a rookie, so they're going to make him left guard, but you still have this gaping hole at left tackle for Kansas City. And it's not like,

Joanne Taylor, isn't like, I mean, he's like weirdly a controversial right tackle. I don't know if there's ever been a controversial right tackle in my entire life. But like, I don't know. So you still are, they brought back Juju Smith-Schstrom. I'm like, okay,

See, you have the slowest receiving core again. And Kelsey, I guess Kelsey is coming back. See the slowest pass catchers again. You still have the slowest running back. They still have Xavier, were they? He's fast. All right, fine. Actually, fine.

I guess that's totally wrong because they also brought Hollywood Brown. So the average speed because they have the two fastest players in the NFL with worthy in Hollywood Brown. And then everyone else is the slowest players in the NFL. So they're perfectly average with speed. They basically are just running it back. The offensive line, I would say, is either the same or maybe a little bit worse. And they brought back Juju Smith-Schuster, Kareem Hunt, Marquis Brown,

and they're going to have Rishi Rice coming off a knee injury, potentially a suspension, and then Xavier Worthy, and then a year older Travis Kelsey. Genuinely, if you're a Chiefs fan, you literally are telling yourself, well,

if Xavier Worthy and Markees Brown just know where the sidelines are when they catch a football, then we could be unstoppable. And I'm half kidding, but like I do think Markees Brown getting almost no practice reps with Mahomes because he was hurt so early.

Yeah, but overall, man. It's just really a complacent offseason for a team that got embarrassed in the Super Bowl. Yeah. And you have Rashid Rice coming back, but that was a bad answer. You know?

They were the Super Bowl. Yeah, but cheese fans know that it's two string and bubble gum and, like, you know, they did what you're supposed to do. You went all in it. So we'll see. But I, it's, again, maybe cheese fans are freaking out right now. They went 14 games. 15. 15.

15. I put them up. 16 in a row by one score. Should I put the Chiefs up? I don't know if the Chiefs should be 27th or fifth. I just think it's funny that it's like, this is where we are with the Chiefs is like things are pretty grim, even though they won 15 games. But including the ass kicking. It's the same way as only the Super Bowl.

gets to count. The same way the Eagles count and the could be first because they kicked the shit out of the Chiefs. The Chiefs got their teeth kicked in the Super Bowl. Like that has to sting. I mean, the vibes last year ago, a year ago today, were like a 99 out of 100. What would you say they are today? 30? I mean, I don't think, I don't know.

How do you, I genuinely don't know emotionally what that feels like. What does it feel like to make three Super Bowls in a row win two and then like think you're going to be the best team ever? And then like, it's, I think there is like, there's a huge bummer to not sort solidify your legacy as the only team ever to three Pete? Like that loss of potential legacy as the all-time team? And that's heavy. That's heavy.

I know that it's weird that I have them this low, but I also put them next to like the lions at first. And I was like, this doesn't feel possible. No, this is on a scale. Like, obviously the chiefs are still one of the best teams in the league. But you're grading of this on like the scale of expectation versus reality. And in terms of what you wanted them to do this offseason, what happened to them in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, the vibes are pretty bad compared. to all the other good teams in the league. This is, and that's the thing. We always say, I always say losing a Super Bowl destroys teams. And I think that when you, like, it's also such a grind. Do the, oh, put a dollar in the jar, Warriors jar. Any three-peat team, but the Warriors are the most recent, I think, to make three straight of just, it's exhausting. Like, you're also playing the most games of any team.

Like, it's physically exhausting. Totally, yeah. All you know is they're so bad. They've got their teeth kicked in so bad, Travis Kelsey has to come play again because he can't go out like that. That's all you need to know. Five straight. They made five straight. I was going to say, I don't think Craig has to put a thing in the jar because I brought it up, Craig.

Now you do. Last category here. I have the opposite of torque, which is fully, which is shrinkage, the sign fell that was in the pool. And if you're rooting for one of these teams. I was in the pool. I was in the pool. That's like one of those all-time scenes that I can just picture. You know what I mean?

And I can picture Elaine going shrinkage, it shrinks? Like a frightened turtle. They did it all episode on Shrikage. Bottom tier is Browns, Cowboys, Saints, Jets, Giants. I think if you read for any of these teams, Browns, Cowboys, Saints, Jets, Giants, you are like, you're not having fun following the NFL anymore. Like the Giants, the Jets don't even want to be around anymore. No, it's like if you're the Cowboys fan, you're realizing,

you're really feeling that Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden now, and you're realizing that actually, I've been following this Carnival Barker for 30 years that actually doesn't actually care about winning. The Saints are a Ponzi scheme. The best thing the Jets have going through. for them as they cut Aaron Rogers. You can argue they're higher just because they have a new coach.

The Giants brought back their brain trust and like, I mean, the Browns are the Browns. So I mean, if anything, you should tell me maybe the Jets are should be higher than this. No, I don't think the Jets are in the same category as like the Steelers are Seahawks. I still think it's funny that the two New York teams have like atrocious vibes all the time.

Corrific. It feels like, because like New York is, you know, the cultural center, I guess, of the U.S. and arguably of the world. and their two teams just fucking suck. I don't know why. I just think it's really funny. That is funny, D.K.

Thanks, Greg. This is the way I think about stuff. It's just like if London was the worst team for soccer every year or whatever. You know, the English invented soccer, whatever. Maybe that was a bridge too far. I didn't know that there's like... All the teams are in England's, right? They're all in London.

aren't like 11 of the 20 or the 11 of the premier league teams in London? There's so many teams in London. What if all 11 of them were fucking terrible? The only teams that are good are outside London. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these teams suck. I feel like we talk about them.

I don't even know what we're going to say. And the Browns, again, the Browns are trading for Kenny Pickett and they're giving up draft picks to do it. And they're interested in wins. And they're interested in Wentz, which kind of tells you everything you need to know. Mutual interest. Yeah, I bet. mutual interest. Carson Wentz has mutual interest in anybody.

Cowboys are just bringing back the same team. I have interest in having a job and getting a check. How far in advance do you think the Cowboys are checking out where the sun is this season, since they know almost a year in advance? I bet you Jerry's outside right now, squinting up at the sun. Just got like a, what's the thing you do to read the stars when you're a sailor? It's like a weird word. Astronomy?

Tool for reading the stars. I think there's an app for that now. Do you have any idea we're talking about, Craig? No. But my brother-in-law has an app that we use all the time to look at where stars. Oh, you look at the constellations, the Google, that's pretty great. You can see where the planets are. It's cool.

That's sick. If anyone knows about stars, you can email us about stars. I don't want to know that. Space scares me. Freaks me out. Why does space scare you? Because it's, it's, what do you mean? I feel like space is one of the most understandably scary things.

It's fucking endless. What are you talking about? It's like the ocean. You're not going there. It's like you're not going to space. It's like, I wouldn't want to go to space. less scared of the ocean than space, which is, if you throw a baseball in space, where does it end? It goes on forever.

How is that a thing? But you're afraid of that? Like, you're a lot more likely to die in the ocean. I am existentially fearful of space because it makes me question my mortality and the point of human existence in the world. Yeah, okay. I get it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Water's like, oh, yeah, it's scary. There's like sea creatures down there and it's really dark. But space is infinite and that's freaky. Have you ever seen the scale of the universe? Someone made an interactive like scale of the universe. thing of just like you can go up and down like from like the size of the entire known universe and the unknown universe that's theorized and you can go all the way down to string theory and like they have like comparisons of how small everything is like it yeah like whenever you see those

videos and it like keeps just zooming out and it shows you how small earth is and our galaxy it's just it's terrifying Craig I just look this up I don't know for sure this is real but the nearest galaxy to us is 2.5 million light years away yeah you cannot think about space I I think the whole point of life is to distract yourself from space. I think that's the point. All right. Did Adams, you ever heard that,

dude, shout out Tim Urban, who has this thing called, Wait, but Why? And he's like a blog called Wait, but Why? And he explained,

like, the scale of an atom to scale, like, in the way you can comprehend it of how big a proton is to the size of an atom. And it was like, if a proton was the size of a P, and like the electron would be two Empire State buildings up above the P, like, that's the field of an atom.

And he was explaining that, like, so, like, another, like, the next atom would be, like, an Empire State building away. And then he was like, if, like, what a black hole is, is if you fill that entire space with peas. Yeah. I mean, you cannot read any of that stuff and not have a panic attack. Should we cut this or the sex part of the beginning?

Well, Craig, I saw some video, I think, where it was, it was talking about, like, if, if we somehow figured out how to go the speed of light, which is not, we're not, fucking remotely close to that. If we somehow figure that out, we would have to build a spaceship where you could house hundreds and hundreds of generations just to get to the nearest galaxy.

You know what I mean? It's just fucking wild to think about the size. The size of what I understand. That's crazy, D.K. You'd have to have hundreds of generations just to live long enough to get there. Yeah. I think we have to just get to the point we can put people in like stasis or cryo. Right. Yeah. But then you get into the whole thing, which is in a lot of movies where if you're leaving Earth, you're never going to see these fucking people again because you're going to be in stasis for hundreds of years or whatever.

It's just wild. I saw this thing where someone asked chat GPT. Anyway, the ocean's pretty deep. Ocean's deep. I think the ocean's pretty terrifying too. The ocean's scary, but in terms of infinite nothingness to me kind of takes the cake. I'd rather go on a boat on the ocean than try and go into space, particularly on SpaceX right now with their success. rate.

Space is big. Yeah. Anyway. It's large. Because, wait, a light year is the distance it takes light to travel. It's the distance light travels in a year, right? Yeah. Yes.

How many light years till the Cleveland Browns win a Super Bowl? I mean, that's infinite. You can't even imagine it. Which of these teams? Like trying to imagine the end of the universe. The end of the... Which of these teams should be fired into space? Yeah.

I think the Browns, right? It's almost lost there. The Jets. Come on. You think the Chats? Yeah. They already have a jet. It's easy.

There we go. Until Brick takes over, I don't think they're going to have any success. Brick's going to turn the team around. I actually do think I'm going to lean into this. Brick is going to turn the Jets around. That's good. We need to, yeah. We need you, blood.

Good. Okay. So that's what we got with the vibes. If you're mad about anything and we got anything wrong, emails of ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. I'm happy to just like annulity of the vibes we got wrong. But that's my best thing with the vibes. And we're excited as we like crank in the draft season here.

with free agency winding down. And again, just a reminder, we have, we're going NFL draft through the draft and we have the live show. If you want to go to Chicago, get tickets there. I want to see emails. I want to talk about the March Madness thing. You join our March Madness bracket.

I want one last draft thing before we get the emails. Ted McMillan, the receiver at Arizona, I just couldn't get over this. I'm going to read this paragraph from Sports Illustrated verbatim. Ryan Fowler of the draft network wrote that the wide receivers, Ted McMillan's 40 time varied among the 40 scouts present at the pro day. But they all had Ted McMillan in the range of between a 4-4-6 to a 453. And then Sports Illustrated's Albert Brewer, meanwhile, spoke to three teams who had Ted McMillan at a 454, a 455, a 457.

So he's between a 4-4-6 and a 457. Yep. Which is passing, it's a passing grade. Who gives a fuck? We have lasers. Of course, the headline is like, Ted McMillan runs a 4-440. You click in. And then it's like, well, he also could have maybe run a 457.

Like, okay. All right. I think the bottom line is, though, this is fine. This isn't necessarily super great where you're all very excited about it, but this is a fine time for a player of his size. Do you believe the criticism that Ted McMillan's not going to be able

to separate in the NFL? Do I believe that? Do I believe in the criticism? Yeah, it's kind of like you look at Mike Evans who, I mean, Mike Evans is faster. I don't think he's an elite separator, but I think he's nuanced as a route runner. He's really tough at the catch point. He's got great hands. He can make circus catches. I think he has all the other skills you need to be a good receiver. And by the way, like, some of the best receivers in the NFL are running four or

fives. Like, this should not be something we actually talk about that much because I think it just means he passed. Yeah, but the game, he's good. Yeah. The other, the other pro day thing that I think was interesting was Jalen Milrow ran a 437, according to Bruce Feldman at Bama's pro day. I just, dude, a quarterback running 437, like the last time we got this, it was essentially Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson is a different prospect because he's much bigger. and I think he was much more nuanced in the in the pocket. But I mean, he went, what, fourth overall, fifth overall? And I'm just like, a guy like that.

Are you making the case for Jaila L. Milrow or against? I'm making the case, well, yeah, you could argue either way, I suppose. But I'm just saying, like, in terms of the guys I would want to bet on and on day two at the quarterback position, like Jaila and Milro definitely intrigues me, I'll be honest. I think because at the very, you know, at the very least, he can be a big part of your run game. watching him run away from like SEC defenders is impressive. He is an incredible athlete. So if you can coach him up, you know,

I think there's a world where he develops as a quarterback in the NFL. He has a long way to go as like a passer, but I mean, that athleticism is insane. Did you see that Tomlin at dinner with him in Tuscalo? There's a world where everyone over indexes on the Anthony Richardson thing because they're basically like one season happens. They're like, wow, look at all these guys who had all this college experience,

Bo Nicks and Jane Daniels and all these guys played so well who had played a lot of games. meanwhile, Anthony Richardson who had no experience was terrible. We got to go back away from that. And if you can buy the dip on that where you can get a guy with tools that would be a top five, top 10 pick in another year. And if Jalen Millero goes to the second round, because of the fear of him being like Anthony Richardson, I think that's just a smart thing to buy the dead bond. I know that it's not like Jalen Hertz being a second round or where Jeline Hertz made like four different college football playoffs.

But yeah, Millrow is a good example of if you could do what Will Levis should have been, which is second round, stick him on the bench and not playing him. be a little. Millrow could sit for a couple years. Like, I'd be pretty intrigued. Yeah. Okay. That's all I have to say about that. I kind of don't think he can throw the football, which is a problem.

Well, I mean, I mean, you have Mason Rudolph. Can he throw the football? Who? Your current quarterback's Mason Rudolph. Do you think he can throw a football? He can't do the football. But like, I don't know. We get all wrapped up.

Look how athletic he is. He's so fast. It's like, dude, this guy was not good on Alabama. Couldn't throw the football in Alabama. Not saying he's a first round. I'm saying that desperate times call for desperate measures. If you get him in the third round and he's like a backup, you try to develop, that's fine. But if you're betting on Jalen Milrow, I mean, how often do these SEC quarterbacks work in general, even if they're pocket passers, let alone a guy who's like just straight up not good at throwing the football in really fast.

No, I think that's a fair, a fair, like, it's a rational take, yeah. Giants have the 60th pick, the first pick in the third round. Yeah, that to me makes sense. But if you go get Aaron Rogers or Russell Wilson or even maybe you wouldn't do Shadora and Jalen. But, like, I think you should bring him in as somebody you can develop over time and not depend on him. Washington did RG3 and Kirk Cousins? You never know. Okay.

What do emails on March Madness first? Again, March Madness, we have a little bracket pool. I'd love to not talk about what happened last night, but... That was brutal. Craig, how early did you know it was over? What was your uh-oh moment? Well, Craig thinks San Diego State got smacked in the playing game by UNC Chapel Hill, and that was... I will say.

I think SDSU... How do you say UNC Chapel Hill? I don't know either. North Carolina is like one of the blue blood. I don't know why I say that. I think it's because I get in my head when I went to, I think it's because when you're in the Carolinas and you say USC, I think of USC is Southern California.

Right. They think of it is. South Carolina people get so offended. So I've started doing that with North Carolina, but that's not a thing. UNC Chapel Hill. Yeah, I don't know. The one in Chapel Hill.

Yeah. This felt like payback campus. This felt like payback for S-Dish making the finals two years ago, which is fine. If somebody was like, hey, look, here's a scenario. So SDSU has an incredible run, makes the finals in 20, 23, and then two years later they're going to lose by 30 in a playing game.

I would take it any day of the week still. But, man, it sucks watching your team get fucking dominated. It's just the worst feeling in the world. And they walked into a buzzsaw. UNC had the best bulletin board motivational material, perhaps ever in the history of college basketball. And they were a top 10 preseason team with a lot of talent and wanted to perform this year.

And they literally showed up and were like, everybody in America hates us right now. and SDSU was just kind of in the way. And SDSU, I think, is the second youngest team in the tournament this year. So it was just kind of a perfect storm disaster and it sucked. The way you trailed off there was great.

It was a perfect disaster and it sucked. Yeah, brutal. I did look at my phone about, I don't know, what was it, like 8.30 last night and I saw the score. I was like, oh, God. Oh, second half, they're down by 30. Yeah.

That's rough. I think they were down by 40 at one point. Even like, it was at the point now where I was like, just get it below 30 and it'll look okay in the box score. 27 is doable. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you, Carlos.

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Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Swamp queen, swamp princess. Totally. Totally. D.K, you really tap it into your youth. Yeah.

Yeah. And I know a ton about the artist. Do you know, tell me anything about Doche. She was a big performer at the Grammys, right? I was waiting for you to say she, because you said the artist, because I thought you didn't know if she was a man or a man or woman. Well, you know, you don't guess at these things. But yes, I don't know anything about her,

but I knew that you guys were super psyched on her performance at the Grammys. She won a couple Grammys, right? She won Best New Artist? Best Rap album? It was Best Rap album. The speech is awesome and worth watching on YouTube, and she, I got real emotion. She was like, only two female rappers have won this.

And she was like, Lauren Hill, Cardi B. Oh, three female rappers have won this. And she, like, realized in the moment, you could see her realizing she won. And it was actually, like, really sweet. And it was actually really sweet. That's cool. Yeah.

I think you would like her album, DK. It feels very, like, 90s. Oh, okay. It's great. Check it out. It's very, but also she has, like, the, she just talks about things in a way that, like, you were born in it. Like, she does things that other, I don't know,

that are very, like, meta. Like she has some bridge that's just like, Don't she forgot to take the chicken out. But then she also talks about being on her phone for like an entire fucking verse. She talks about scrolling in a way that's like you were born in this. I agree.

She's a very relatable lyricist. Yeah. Nice. What a win for D.K. right now. That's great. That's big. Usually it's like some. I'm hip.

I'm with it. Some local rock band in the Pacific Northwest I've never heard of. But DK's doing Hollywood shit. I know. Totally. Totally. Oh, yeah, the Dochi needs to raid

Denalza River is really good too. And the tiny desk. Yeah, love Dochi. Not to be confused with Doja, Cap. Oh, right. Different. Different.

That's the goal. We need the Oriole thing. She just made a song about pizza or Taco Bell and then just got a Taco Bell and then just got a Taco Bell deal. We've been talking about Oreos for like a year at this point. We have nothing with the Orioles. I don't think she made this song and then got the deal. I thought she got the deal and then made the song.

Oh, she just talked about how much she loves Taco Bar. and then they paid her to make the song, which is like, where's our Oreo vampire song? I mean, I think Poppy should pay me something. Perhaps you co-bought Poppy for $2 billion, and I think I deserve a cut of that.

You did a lot of that work. Got the Horlebeck bump. Seriously. I've been getting that free branding for two years now. You'd see a dive. You're on the phone. Okay, goodbye, everyone.