The Ringer NFL Show - Our Favorite Fantasy Players of 2024

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

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Follow the town on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. My show, my name is Danny Hyphus. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Borlika. Today we are going over our favorite players for the 2024 NFL season, fantasy season. These are our favorite players. These are our aren't even sleepers, which we're going to do later this week. These are just the players who are our favorite players to have our team. Yeah, this doesn't mean they're going to be good.

We just, they're our favorite. Yeah, they might suck. No, they probably won't suck. I think they're going to be good. That's how I went about approaching this. If these guys are bad, we're a screw. Yeah, the first, like, five are pretty much can't miss unless somebody gets hurt, but we'll see.

Knock on wood. Yeah, we're going to go over our favorite players. And again, these are, like, top players. But this is basically who are the guys we're excited to take with some of our first. Yeah, we're reaching for them a little bit, maybe. Okay, two things first. First of all, live show, Los Angeles, July 30th. Theringer.com slash events.

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Okay. Other thing I want to hit first before we get into favorite players, Joe Burrow was cleared for contact by the Cincinnati Bengals. He had that right wrist injury that ended his season. Craig, you pointed out right when it happened, not when the wrist injury happened, but earlier this season when Joe Burrow gave those quotes about how he couldn't find anyone who had this injury.

Yeah. No quarterbacks or pitchers have had this injury. It's just like linebackers and linemen. Cool. Cool. Who, you know, don't have to throw a football 40 times a game and hundreds of times a week. I like him being cleared for contact is funny because it's kind of like semantics. It's like he was cleared.

Does that mean he'll actually do it? It's like Aaron Rogers was cleared to play by his doctor three months into tearing his Achilles. He still didn't play. He was cleared, but he didn't play. Yeah, it's like, what did Trump's doctor say that Trump weighed? It's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, cleared, got it. Who was Aaron Rogers' doctor the same as Trump's doctor? Wouldn't be that surprising.

Aaron Rogers' doctor was the guy who, like, invented the new way to fix an Achilles. His name is Neil Eletrosh, the surgeon. Okay, so he's a legit guy. He is. He did like Kobe Bryanty's ACL. He's done like everybody. He did show his elbow. For Joe Burrow, I wanted, I thought this was important because exactly we just said, Craig, about

cleared for contact meeting. I would like to see Joe Burrow take some contact. And also, just throw the ball. I'm a little concerned about this wrist injury. And I feel like I actually, I told you guys this yesterday as a warning. I moved Jamar Chase down my rankings. And basically, here's the deal. I'm going to put Jamar Chase back in the first round in my rankings.

when Joe Burrow throws a football for like five days in a row, and then we're going to reassess. But basically, I think it's strike one that he had this weird injury other passers seven had. Strike two was at OTAs he was supposed to throw, and they basically made him take days off because it was not great. And then I want, like,

strike three is going to be if we go through August, and once again, Joe Burrow does not have a month of practice because he's never played in the, he's never basically done training camp. COVID is rookie year. And then he had the ACL recovery. and then he had an emergency appendectomy. Now he's got this wrist

thing. And then he had the calf, and then he had the calf. Right, that was last year, right. The calf strain on like the day one of practice, day two. So this is once again not a normal like preseason for him. I would like categorize this as not normal. Even if he's like, we'll be cleared? No, it's not. I'm sorry. Why are they clearing him if he's still hurting so bad? I think it's the difference between not being allowed to do it

versus now you can decide when. Yeah. It's now up to him. Also, when you're cleared for contact, like even if you're not cleared for contact, you can still throw the football, right? If I've learned anything in my 29 years on this earth, it's that it probably comes down to insurance. And if he gets hurt doing something in contact, it's about who could get sued or something. The Bengals cannot be sued after he's been cleared for contact.

I don't know if that's true. I'm just saying that, like, at the end of the day, when you ask a question like that, why do they have to clear him for contact? The answer is usually because someone could sue you or something, some kind of insurance. I'm with you, Hyphitz. Vibes are bad here. I'm dropping the Bengals past catchers. To quote Bill Simmons, can I see it?

Can I see it? Yes. And look, if Joe Burrow, first of all, I love Joe Burrow, the NFL's a better place where Joe Burrow is playing awesome. And I hope he is incredible and the Bengals have a great year. I'm just, I kind of, unlike the last four years, I would like to see Joe Burrow throw football for like a week straight. That's all.

You guys are, for some reason, I'm very annoyed about this whole thing. I'm like, it's fine. At me or at Burrow? It's July. It's July. Yeah, it was. He hurt his wrist in November and he's not okay still.

That's my point. I'm going to give you a jump to conclusions, Matt. You guys are just like jumping to so many conclusions. How much? 95% of these injuries, what are we here from everyone? I'm ahead of schedule. Tony Pollard's like, I'm faster now. No, he wasn't.

The fact that the Bengals are like the body language on this isn't strongest concerning. And then the other thing I don't love is that the- They cleared him. They cleared him for contact. It's clear. It's fine. He's fine. He's faster now with the wrist.

He'd throw harder. He's like the rookie. the year. Bionic powers. Yeah. So anyway, we'll keep an eye on this. I'm not moving anyone. I'm holding strong. They needed to get the doctor. They needed to get Neil the doctor

who performed on Rogers to operate on Burroughs risk. Why didn't he get that guy? Right. Yeah. Wrist guy. Yeah. Does that guy not do wrists? I don't know. He just Tommy John. That's close enough. It's just a leg guy. Anyway. No one does the, no one does the surgery because this is such a rare injury. So they had to

make it up. There's nobody capable of doing it. Again, it's fine. I'm not worried. You guys are being, you're overreacting. It's a problem when I can now bench press more than Joe Burrow because Joe Burrow can't bench press.

He just refuses to bench press. Yeah. Let's clear now. All right, let's get to our favorite players in 2024. And again, these are big names, but that's the point. This is kind of like, who are you actually excited to like have on your team and use a really high pick on?

Right. D.K., age before beauty. Who's your favorite player in 2020? Thank you. Thank you. No, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Hyfitz, for saying that.

You know what's funny about doing this exercise is that do you guys ever feel like, do you have friends who listen to this show that you play fantasy football with? Yeah. Doing this episode almost guarantees that I will not have any of these players because these are the players that my friends will take away and actually outbid me for. So it's kind of like a, you know, double-edged sword here. This is the sacrifice that we're making for you all. Yeah.

So just be aware. On that note, I'm going to go with Brise Hall for the Jets. What's ever gone wrong when you put all your marbles or all your chips in on a Jets player? What could go possibly wrong here? After all of that burrow stuff, we're now like, yeah, jets. Yeah, you're jets. But look, no, I love Brise Hall. I think, first off, and this is kind of like the foundation for every one of these players that I'm going to talk about today.

He's really fucking good. He is really good. He's explosive. He's now going to be a year and a half removed or two years removed from the ACL injury. so this is a year after the year after, you know, all signs are that he's, like, ready to go. He already looked really, really explosive

and extremely good and elusive even last year, so I'm not even really, you know, I don't even know what he could do this year based on, like, how good he was last year. Also, the team is going to be a lot better, in theory, around him. If you look at the stats from last year, Brise Hall, his numbers are pretty astonishing, especially after week five when they started playing him

like the majority of time. Before week four, he was a half, like 50% of the time, snap counts, they were easing him in. He was coming off that injury, you know, and they were still trying to figure out

what the hell to do without Aaron Rogers, I guess. But from week five on, he averaged 17 points per game, which is third most. He had the most receiving fantasy points in half PVR in that stretch. And he,

and that doesn't even really talk about the fact that he just had zero opportunities to score point, like score touchdowns. He was basically getting all his points from receiving. and, you know, carrying the football between the 20s. He didn't really get a lot of opportunities inside the one-yard. In fact, I think I saw a tweet today that said he had one from Ian Hartets.

He had one opportunity from the one-yard light last year. Like, think about the difference between, you know, how nuclear he could go if he just gets 10? I don't know. Like, whatever it is. So all the things are, I think, stacking up together for Reese Hall. He's going to get a ton of touches. He's a really good player. They're going to be giving him way more opportunities to score to football.

and again, he's just really, really good. I can't believe the stats about the Jets inside the five-yard line. They're just horrific. Breeze Hall getting one rush inside the five-yard line last year. He had zero. The Jets were the only team not have a rushing attempt from the one last year that they handed to a running back. The Jets did not hand the ball off to a running back on the one-yard-line last year.

That's crazy. That's insane. It's also so funny to me because I feel like that was the reason that Jets went and got Aaron Rogers. Like in 2022, the Jets had this game against the Vikings where they had like six, tries inside the five yard line. They got like no points out of it or something and they lost the game. And I remember thinking like that's why you get Aaron Rogers is to be from the five yard line

to not go 0 for six on like, you know, six drives inside the five. And so the red zone offense is, you know, this whole jet season is just like, hey, let's try that again, right? Like they're just like, all right, Aaron Rogers is back. They're doing it the whole thing. And so it's just the same thing of Rogers over Zach Wilson is probably the biggest quarterback upgraded in the entire NFL if you, that and Kirk Cousins over Desmond Ritter.

and then you look at the Jets, our buddy Scott Barrett, Dek had this crazy stat. Yeah. I couldn't believe this. Shout out Scott Barrett and Fantasy Points. Instances of a running back averaging 15 carries and seven and a half targets a game in one season. Christian McCaffrey, Lidani and Tomlinson, Marshall Falk,

Levy on Bell, Seekwan Berkeley, Matt Forte, and Breece Hall last year. Those are like all, like, fantasy rushmore guys. Totally. Yeah. I think Bruce, he's in my rankings. I think he should be the second running back off the board after McCaffrey. I really do. He has so much going for him. The fact that he didn't, first of all, he didn't miss a game last year coming off the ACL,

played all 70 games, led the NFL in catches at the running back position. He had the most, he had 76 catches last year, somehow scored nine touchdowns with Zach Wilson and was the RB7 on the season with Zach Wilson. Yeah. It's shocking. And the Jets also completely mismanaging Brees Hall. Do you guys remember? I was looking through Bruce Hall's, like, game-to-game stats last year.

The last game of the season, the Jets had a meaningless game against the Patriots, and they gave Brees Hall 37 carries. Oh my God. What the fuck were they doing? That's... I honestly, like, have no answer. Trying to save their jobs, Craig. You can't lose to the Patriots.

We should also mention the offensive line's probably going to be, like, way better. They were bottom five offensive line. Last year had a ton of injuries. And now PFF just put out their ranking of, like, their predictions for offensive lines this year. They project the Jets to be their sixth best offensive line in the league. The Jets are just, they're the expendables. They're the old man last job.

It's Rogers 40 at Achilles. Tyron Smith, yeah. Tyron Smith is 34 at left tackle. Morgan Moses is 33 at right tackle. Mike Williams is 30 coming off an ACL injury. Al-Nazard turns 30 in December. Like, this is just like the geriatric offense. It's incredible.

But I mean, if it works, it works. By the way, like in addition to all those ranks, like if you even, if you look at how good he was last year in Rees-Haw, an explosive play rate. So like the, the percentage of his yards, according to fantasy points that were on explosive play, which is, I believe, 10 plus yards on a rush, and I think it's 16 plus yards on a reception. He was second in the NFL only to Devon A-Champ. That was like on a really bad offense.

Like if this offense is good and gives him good blocking, the sky is the absolute limit with him. And for me, the reason why he's slightly above guys like Bichon Robinson or Jonathan Taylor is there's just like so much less competition. I mean, Jonathan Taylor has Anthony Richardson, who's like one of the three best rushing quarterbacks in the league. And then Bejan Robinson, look, I mean, Tyler Al Jira is still there and is a very capable running back. Breeze Hall is all alone, just like McCaffrey.

Yeah, that's fair. So I have, so we all have Christian McCaffrey as the number one running back. You guys have Brease Hall as your number two running back. I have Bejan Robinson as my number three guy. He's one of my favorite. He's probably maybe my favorite player, top three guy for the entire season. It's Bejohn Robinson, but he took a NIA or like a sponsorship deal with mustard company to do Bejohn, Dijon. And at that point, I think he's just got to be Bejan Robinson, like when you literally make a deal.

So I'm going to call him Bijan, even though I know it's Bejan. But like, I think Bejan, I have him as my number two running back because it's weird how much in common, Breast and Bejan have in common. Because they're both like these ascending running backs. Both of them have like cursed franchises. Like, oh, my first player is from the Falcons. My first players from the Jets. Like that's a little terrifying. Yeah.

And then they both are these old quarterbacks coming off of Achilles injuries. This whole like, ah, it'll be fine. Like it's a little like weird like similarities for two guys. The difference to me is for Bejohn. I think the Falcons offensive line is so much better than the Jets' offensive line. And I also just think Zach Robinson's the offensive coordinator for Atlanta. The Jets' offensive coordinator is Nate Hackett. Really, it's Nate Hackett, like Marin Rogers talking through Nate Hackett's mouth.

And that's the Jets' offense. And at the end of the day, Zach Robinson's bringing this like McVeigh-Shannahan scheme from the Rams. And I'm just like, dude, I think Bejohn Robinson is just going to be a mix of Todd Gurley and Christian McCaffrey in the Falcons offense. The Falcons have like eight first rounders on their on their freaking offense. And they have nine. if you include their backup quarterback. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if you include the bench,

Bichon Robinson's going to get the Christian McCaffrey role. And I'm like, dude, if I could bet on one player to be the first pick next year, I would bet on Bajon Robinson. And the point is if you get either one, it's fine. I think they're like 1A, 1B, but I love both these guys so much. And honestly, after McCaffrey, Breesie Bajon,

everyone else has, there's something you can poke, and it's so hard to poke a hole at Bichon or Breeshole, other than the Achilles injuries for their quarterbacks, you know, but whatever. Right, but those don't matter anymore. We're in a different age, injury-wise. Thanks to Neil Eletrosh, baby. Yeah, Neil Eletrash.

Yeah, I think Bejohn also has the sexiness factor going for him. Like, he's just a cooler player to pick than Breece Hall, to be honest. He's just like electric. In a vacuum, talent-wise, who do you guys pick? Bichon. Yeah, I think me too. I think that's been, I think that has been sort of the consensus based on, like, the draft grades and things like that, the consensus in terms of where they see him as.

a prospect. Bijon is pretty rare actually, so yeah, I'd probably agree with that. So, yeah, if you can get either those guys in the middle of the first round, I think it's absolutely incredible. Craig, who's your favorite player for this year? Yeah, let's go back to the Jets, please. I love that we spend all off-season

preparing and we're like, man, those New York Jets can't get enough of them. Yeah, I'm betting on the Jets. I think the Jets are going to make the playoffs. I don't think the bills are. Garrett Wilson is my wide receiver three. I think it's your CD-LAM, Tyree Kill, and then Garrett Wilson. Right now he's like the eighth receiver going off the board. But I just, I can't see a scenario, a non-injury related scenario in which he's not a top five receiver in the

league. Like I, talent-wise, it's clear. He's like one of the best players in the league. We know that. We've seen it. And the situation was such a disaster last year. Garrett Wilson was fourth in the league in targets, which is a good sign. Like he was only the, he was barely top 40 in terms of points. But like, just commanding that volume puts you in a certain echelon in terms of like your talent. So him commanding like top five targets in the league is a big deal. And do you guys, do you guys know how many touchdowns of Jets through last year to the air? How many passing touchdowns of the Jets have last year? They were last in the league. How many do you think they threw? Eleven. Ten? Eleven. Eleven is correct. Oh, I got it right. Wow.

They threw 11 touchdowns in 17 games. That sucks, by the way. That's awful. Yeah, it's fucking terrible. Garrett Wilson was second in the NFL and targets that were deemed uncatchable by PFF. Two of those were touchdowns? Two of those are touchdowns. He's only one behind Devante Adams. Shouts out Devante who is just like bitching about Jimmy Groplo on the Netflix show receiver. But yeah, it was an absolute catastrophe. And now everything is flipped. O-line's better. The best quarterback of his career, not even close. I'm just like, this is a no-brainer to me. And I know the Rogers Achilles thing, but like, look, he just needs to stand in the pocket, park and bark and throw it to Garrett Wilson.

So barring an injury, I think Garrett Wilson guaranteed top five. Garrett Wilson is one of those players. You know how you, I'm sure you guys do this too? It's like you have just an image in your brain of a player that kind of just sticks. And for Garrett Wilson, it's him getting lit up over the middle of the field trying to go up and catch a pass. I was like 10 feet over his head. Like that's just how I picture Garrett Wilson. Obviously.

I know the contact photo. Everyone has a contact photo in your head. I have a very positive impression overall of Garrett Wilson. I think he's one of the most talented receivers in the NFL. But, like, that is just a picture of the situation that he was in last year. It was just every time he went up to catch a pass, I felt like he was just like, oh, God, here we go. My contact photo for him is the week one after Rogers heard his Achilles in that money

in a football game. And Zach Wilson threw what is hoping to do the game-winning touchdown pass. He intercepted his own pass. Gary Wilson, like, intercepted it because he was like at the defender. Imagine if Aaron Rogers just throws the ball at Garrett Wilson, how incredible it would be. Like, half the passes were at the defender and he's playing defense. Garrett Wilson literally had to like play deny defense,

tip the ball out of the defender's hands, and then over to his side. Yeah, that's what I think. Also, look, it's this simple. Garrett Wilson is if Cadarist Tony played football. That's,

I don't know if he's quite there yet. We'll have to see. I love Wilson. Yeah, we'll see what Garrett Wilson can do in the Super Bowl. Next up, Dika, who are your other favorite players for 24? This is a guy I stumped for a lot in the pre-draft process,

Devon A. Chan, running back dolphins. Maybe my favorite player of all time. Oh, wow. So sorry. What? Not really, but Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson. None of that.

It's close. It's close. No, I'm obviously not being totally serious, but I love this guy. I think he's so explosive, so fun to watch. Is it the vibrations that you love? Love when the cars go back. That hot, what is it?

Hot, badass, nasty speed. Hot, nasty badass speed. Eleanor Roosevelt, baby. He is the perfect. combination of talent and situation, I feel like. He has the speed, the explosiveness, the vision, the skill set that is just perfectly, perfectly suited for what Mike McDaniel wants to do with this Dolphins offense. I mean, last year, he finished us the RB4 in points per game, 16 points per game.

He did it on 42% snaps. And that's not including the games he missed. Like, it's 42% of the snaps in the games he played. So there is a lot of meat on the bone here for a guy who was the RB4 in points per game. He was averaging 11.8 touches per game. That ranked 42nd among running backs last year. Even just pushing it to 15 touches a game, which is what Jemir Gibbs got last year, by the way. This guy could be the RB1.

Like truly, he could be the RB1. He could break fantasy. He's good in the receiving game. There's actually people that talked about him maybe switching to receiver coming into the league because he lacked the size to be a running back. And reports out of Dolphins training camp are very glowing and very optimistic. he's being used in all these do different types of ways. They have all these speed motion plays that they use to confuse defenses.

This is from our co-worker, Shield Capadia. Devon A. Chan 7.8 yards per carry in 2020. It was the highest mark of any running back with at least 100 carries in a season this century. The difference between A-chan and number two, who is Jamal Charles in 2010, was the same as the difference between number two and number 13. Sorry, 113. he like was far and away the best. He put this more context.

He averaged more yards per carry before contact and more yards per carry after contact than anyone else in the NFL. He was first in both of those categories. You can't talk about that's that enough. Like for content, the one I love is that for context, and running back averaging almost eight yards of carry

is like a quarterback averaging almost 15 yards per day. Right. That's a great way of putting it. That's what Devon H. That's what Devon H. did last year. And shout out to Ben Grancher. It's a great fantasy news letter.

It's called Stealing Bananas, which is, you know, rest of development. Shout out of rest of development. But Ben Grinch had this great point that was basically, there's all these reasons you could be down on Devon A. Chan.

You know, maybe he could get hurt. Maybe he won't have the most efficient season in the history of rushing ever since like the Debtorcheas. Yeah. Maybe he'll get more touches and won't be as good or maybe he won't get him, whatever. The point is, though,

if you're wrong, you'll lose your season. And like, I don't know if there's ever been a player where if you're down him and you're wrong, you lose. He's so tough because, like, DK, as you lay all this out, I'm thinking to myself,

why isn't he just like, I don't know, fifth in our rankings right now? He was the RB4 last year, and that was with his teammate, Rahim Moster, being the RB3. And he scoring 21 touchdowns Rahim Moster had last year. So, like, that is worst case scenario.

If somebody outlines, like, hey, imagine the other running back on the guy you drafted his team has 21 touchdowns. And you're like, okay. And then he's still the RB4. So I'm like, what is, because there's something holding me back, I don't know what it is, but there's something holding me back not put placing Devon A-chan in the top 10. Why isn't he there?

The answer is because he's 185 pounds. He played three games and hurt his knee. Like that's it. Like it's, he had the two, three honestly, most incredible games. And then he hurt his knee. And you're like, all right, it was 185 pounds speed guy with a knee injury. And you're like, all right, well, how long could this last? That's honestly it.

He went over a thousand yards from Scroval. He had 455 yards in three games. There's like some people don't do that in a season. No, so to your point, Craig, he's the ultimate, like your friend who doesn't know anything shows up to the draft and they have like the 23rd pick and they're like, Achan, isn't that the guy who had 200 yards like back to back weeks? I'll take him and then they win. So I agree.

I would rather under think, like if Devon A. Chan gets hurt. If he's disappointed, all this stuff, sure. But every year, there's like three players that if they, hit their ceiling, they'll just like quadruple your odds and winning your league. Just by taking that player. Like that, and I, Achan's one of those people this year. So honestly, maybe the most high upside fan. He's probably the highest upside fantasy running back of all time.

That isn't going in like the top five picks. I had to look up a quote from Seneca to tell you why I'm drafting him and I'm going to be very aggressive. A man who suffers before it is necessary suffers more than it's necessary. In other words, stop worrying about potential things that could happen. Like, you're actually making it worse. just by worrying about potential things that could happen.

Worry about it if it happens. That's all. This is like me with Joe Burroughs wrist. You're like, don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. Live for the now, you know. Yeah, now he's not worried of football.

It'll be all right. It's gonna be fine in the words of Danny Kelly. Cool. Shout out Seneca. Seneca Kelly. So I love H.N. And top 20 pick, basically. Basically, would you take them with your second pick,

H.N. Yes. I think it's, yeah. How high would you, this is my favorite game. How high can someone take Devon H. Until you're like, that's a reach.

Like, if they took him first over McCaffrey, you're like, yeah, it's kind of high. But like, if somebody took him over Jonathan Taylor, would you scoff at that? I think, I think someone could take H.N. like, seventh. And I'd be like, I get it. At some point, it's just like, you know what? Yeah, it's like, if you're going to Ricky Bobby it, Ricky Bobby it. I wouldn't even scoff at, like, second. I would be like, wow, that's, that's spicy.

But, like, I get it. For clarity, we have them like 17th. But I've never, I think that's the shortest thing I can explain. There's never been a player you could get 20th that I also. think, yeah, sure, take him six. I don't care. Like, he's that good. The other player like that for me,

the show, I think this is my favorite player entering the season. Anthony Richardson, the quarterback for the Colts. I think the simplest way can say it, Richardson is the Devon A Chan of quarterbacks. 100%. He's one of the other three people that if he reaches his nine or 10 at a 10 this season, your odds of making the final just quadruple just because he did that. And that's it.

So the Colts took him the fourth pick in 2023, out of Florida. Anthony Richardson is like more polished job. Alan. Like, that's the simplest way to say it. The running, the throwing the arm. It's insane. It does crazy stuff. And Richardson played like four games last year. He was like the alpha and omega. Honestly, Anthony Richardson and A. Chan in the first month of the season were like the two fantasy messias. It was actually like insane. Yeah. And there's a bunch of numbers with Anthony Richardson that I, that I have, but honestly, the only one that I, like, the one that's

tattooed in my brain is that Anthony Richardson, uh, in week two against the Texans had 18 fantasy points in the first six minutes of the game. I remember, High Fitz, I remember that pretty vividly because you were texting us in the chain, you're like, holy shit. Like, yeah, he had like, remember the, I was like the Reggie Miller, like,

what was it, like 12 points in 30 seconds or something? Yeah, exactly. So what is it? Clay Thompson, like 37 points, like six dribbles or something. Like that was, you know what I mean? Like, that's, it's like 18 fantasy points in six minutes. Like there were, while I was watching this, like a 1 o'clock game, there were other offenses that had not been on the field yet. And Anthony Richardson

has 18 points. And the other one I love, shout at Ian Harditz is that Anthony Richardson in the games, or the times he was on the field, had the same amount of goal line carries as the Colts running backs, like period. And so at some point, like Anthony Richardson, once the top guys are off, it's like, you know, Josh

Allen, Jalen Hertz, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. I have Anthony Richardson fifth. I think you could be aggressive. I think that this is just like Jalen Hertz in 2022, where he was going in like the 50s. And if you took Jalen Hertz there, you probably like major final. your finals just because you had Jalen Hertz, you made it to the least the final four people,

just because you made that pick. And I think that's Richardson this year. I love him. And you're going to have also one of the most fun players in the entire league to watch. And you're just going to have so much fun watching him each week. And he also, by far, has the highest upside of the position. This is going to sound like hyperbole.

But he reminds me of Lamar Jackson, the year that he won his first MVP, where he had come in a little bit towards the end of the season as a rookie and did some things. And there was certainly some reasons to be optimistic, but people weren't quite buying into it. And then he went out and broke fantasy football, like legitimately the most valuable player that season.

There is a world, and it's a realistic world, honestly. It's not like some pie in the sky thing. It's a very realistic world in which Anthony Richardson becomes the most valuable person in fantasy, at least in two quarterback leagues. He was number one quarterback in fantasy points per dropback. It's just like it's his first four games in the NFL. I think he deserves to be in that tier with Lamar,

Josh Allen Hertz, and Mahomes. I think you should just take him over Patrick Mahom straight up. Yeah, honestly, I probably should move him to fourth. I think Mahomes is almost underrated now in fantasy almost because the offense would be good. But there's Richardson, you know, obviously I'm going to have Jalen Hertz higher because he's just been the Russian quarterback for so long. But I do not have enough superlatives for Richardson, both how much of a legitimate fantasy picket makes sense because of the upside. And also the thing that doesn't get factored into rankings enough, which is how much fun you're going to have watching this person and being part of the ride for a given season. There's nothing better than drafting a guy who takes off. Like catching somebody on the

takeoff year is like the most exhilarating feeling. I have a stupid game we play. But that's what honestly, I think that's what ties all these guys together. Like Brise Hall, Bjean Robinson, Garrett Wilson, H.N. and Richardson, all these guys could go to the stratosphere this year. Yeah. These are all year two, year three guys that we're like expecting to take off when in reality we could probably just take, you know, Patrick Mahomes. It was boring and now become underrated and he'll do it every year. But that's not fun. This is the bonk episode.

We're actually just too horny for these guys. Yeah. I mean, I can keep this trend going. My next favorite players is George Pickens on the Steelers. Wow. Nice. I know that sounds chilling to say let's bet on Russell Wilson and Justin Fields and Arthur Smith, but I'm doing it.

And I think it's a huge upgrade from the situation of Pickett this is last year. I think we're underestimating heavily what no Deonté Johnson and what no Kenny Pickett means. and what no Matt Canada means for Pickens. Last year he was the 31st wide receiver off the board. Now he's only the 27th off the board. You're telling me all those changes are worth four slots. Give me a break. The Steelers threw for 185 yards a game last year.

Like things will be different in Pittsburgh this year. And Deonté Johnson is now gone. And in the four games that Deonti Johnson missed last year with injury, George Pickens was the 16th best receiver in fantasy. So it's like I'm failing to see why he's, going as the 27th wide receiver off the board. Even all the underlying metrics are great. If you look at the wide receivers who have seen 150 or more targets over the last two years,

George Pickens is fourth in yards per target. Like, this guy is good and delivers. And I'm all in on him right now. There's nobody else. Well, I'm curious what you think, D.K., how George Pickens' game works with Russell Wilson, because I see that part. I mean, I think it's perfect. It is perfect.

I think the most, if you were going to design a receiver in a lab to play with Russell Wilson, it would be D.K. Metcalf. I think George Pickens is right in that spectrum, though, because he is very fast. He is very great. He's great at the catch point in terms of making these acrobatic catches or pushing off a little bit at the catch point to get a little bit of space. Russell Wilson can just drop it in a bucket. He can still do that.

Russell Wilson, his game has fallen off in a lot of areas. He can still launch those moon balls down the field. And that is perfect for George Pickens, who by the way, half of the reason, maybe more than half the reason. He wasn't as valuable in fantasy last year. Just because they had him running go routes like 30% of time or more. It was like ridiculous. Hey, just go run down the field.

Yeah, it was like, go run down the field. And by the way, there's no shot. Your quarterback will A have the time to throw it to you or if he does, it won't be near you. Right. It was kind of like busy work. They just didn't want him near the other players. And he still managed to have like a thousand yards. So I still think Russell Wilson can do that.

I think he's the perfect fit in terms of style that Russell Wilson is looking for because he like he makes one or two catches a game that would be on sports center top 10 but you just don't really hear about him that much because he's not getting enough volume and half the time like he's maybe just one foot out of bounds or whatever he had like 10 of those catches last year whereas he caught it with one hand spin around and got like his heel on the on the sideline or something but he's really good I think this is going to be a good fit for him there are a funny duo together pickens and russell wilson because russell wilson wears his crazy on the inside and george pickens where he's crazy on the outside.

Yeah. But I'm not as in on this one with you, Craig. I got to tell you, I'm so happy to let other people do the Pickens thing because if Pickens does he, I'm just, I just feel like George Pickens doesn't seem like the most consistent person on a week to week

play to play moment to moment basis. And I don't want, like I'm going to let other people ride the roller coaster. I would get that if he was going where like Drake London's going. Everyone's all in on Drake London. But I'm like, dude, George Pickens is going as the 27th wide receiver.

Like it's not like you're exactly taking a huge risk. is so much, like put it this way, put it this way. The joke, how many memories do you have of Drake London playing football? Yeah, and how many you have, I have like 10 George Pickens catches in my head right now. Drake London, with Kirk Cousins and his half Achilles, Drake London is the 12th wide receiver going off the board right now, and Pickens is the 27th? Last year, just going to throw this sad out you.

Russell Wilson was sixth among quarterbacks who qualified for pass rating in off-target rate. Kenny Pickett was 30. Well, so similar to this, the guy, this is kind of, we're going to do sleepers soon. The guy I like from the Steelers is Pat Friermouth, because for similarly, I'm curious what the Arthur Smith if it goes with Pickens. Like, I don't think George Pickens going to work with Arthur Smith. You think what are they going to talk about? George Pickens and Arthur Smith? Yeah, how do you think that's going to go?

It's got to be better than how it went with Matt Canada. It's an upgrade. George Pickens will be less pissed off this year, I think, which is a great sign. Even if Justin Fields comes in, it's like, at least we've seen. seen Justin Fields, you know, give DJ Moore a top seven year. DJ Moore is the wide receiver six last year. Like, so even if he comes in, like, at least I know these quarterbacks are capable of, you know, sustaining a top 10 wide receiver.

All right. You actually sold me. Also, I think, I think Dick is right. I think Pickens and Russell Wilson are could be really good together. The NFL futures are out and now's the time to get in on the action early this season because right now new customers can get $200 in bonus bets. If you're first, $5 bet wins. I love Anthony Richardson this season.

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another guy who I just think is ridiculously good. Like, I just watch him play football. I'm like, this guy is one of the best at the position in the game right now. Like, he's a really good route runner. He has great hands.

He has excellent body control to catch the ball and come down with it and keep going, like, downfield, pick up yards after the catch in a really smooth motion. And I think there's this thought right now that people are buying him at his peak because of what he did last year.

But now Marvin Harrison is here and it's just going to go back down to being not as good as you'd hope. And it feels like you're buying Apple stock in the aughts right before they came out with the iPhone. You know what I mean? Like to me, he still has that opportunity to go to the next level. Like he is that good. I think he has a really good connection with Kyler Murray. And, you know, we're just still at the tip of the top of the time. the iceberg with what he can do in the league. I think he's that good of a player. Now, I think

Marvin Harrison is certainly going to be on the field and affecting everything, but I think there's also a world in which Harrison helps McBride, you know, get more space underneath to pick up yards of the catch, all that because defenses are so concerned about Marvin Harrison playing and play out. So I think that there's a world in which both of these guys can coexist, and Troy McBride is still one of the top tight ends in the NFL last year after Earth went down and he started playing and McBride started playing more than 50% of the snaps for the Cardinals. first in target rate 27% second in targets per game

third in receiving yards per game and second in yards for out run so like this is a basically every stat you're looking at he is really really strong and he's still young and he still has ability to ascend to the next level. I love this one. I also love the Cardinals

I think if you don't get one of those top quarterbacks we were just talking about like if you don't get Lamar or Julian Hertz or Josh Allen or you kick it Anthony Richardson or Mahomes my favorite thing to do in drafts this year would be to take Kyler Murray and pair him with Trey McBride and just have the two of them together because of everything D.K. could just sit about how good

Trey McBride it is also, and also I just think the Cardinals are going to be a really good offense. I think the Cardinals, like the offense of coordinator, Drew Petsing, he's doing some cutting edge stuff. And the Cardinals have pretty underrated offense and a terrible defense. It's kind of perfect. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. I think he's firmly in that set. Like right after Kelsey and Leporta, I guess maybe Mark Andrews. I think McBride is like right there as the guy to take. I yeah I honestly I I love trade McBride DK I like I like this well a lot wow now now that now that everyone's agreeing with me now I'm like oh maybe I shouldn't like him so much yeah I mean shit maybe sucks do you guys think I'm nuts for thinking that

Arizona could be the worst to first team in the NFL this year because there's always one yes and I think the obvious one is to say that like oh Cincinnati could do it but I'm not I don't love the stuff with burrow and then it's easy to say like um who's the other sorry wait there's another obvious team that was oh the charges the jim harbaugh and I'm like, dude, the vibes in San Francisco off for Super Bowl loss as much as it's heinous to say the Niners could be bad. The history of incredible teams that fill off

after Super Bowl is a very long list. The Rams lost Aaron McDonald's. I keep looking at the Cardinals, and I kind of just wonder, I feel like, people forget Kyler came off in ACL, he came back midseason. I kind of think the Cardinals could be like, like on the table is really, really good on offense. Yeah.

Yeah. The problem I think with them is... The tepid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Defense is just really, really bad last year. It was the worst defense in the NFL. So I guess you'd have to, if you bake in the defense making a pretty good jump, they don't have to be elite, but maybe middle of the pack. I think that gives them a chance, but that's still asking quite a bit.

Well, I have a time. I mean, I hear your point. I think it makes more sense in fantasy. I think they have a potential to, like, go from worse to first, from like a fantasy vibe standpoint. Like, remember like the Colts last year where just like every game, it was like 38, 35? Yes, yes. That feels like what the Cardinals could be.

Honestly, that's a great comp because the Cardinals, the Colts did that. The Colts had a horrible secondary and they just keep giving up these deep, like they would drive down, the offense was so great and they would just give up these shots for Indianapolis. Arizona's the same way. Austin Gale did this to me today. Can you name the Cardinals cornerbacks? Can you name who plays the Cardinals secondary? I got Sean Murphy bunting.

Oh, yeah. What are they signed in for agency? Buda Baker. Yeah, Buda Baker. They are starting, what are their starting cornerbacks? I couldn't have named if my left. depended on it. It's projected to be Max Melton.

Yeah. Rookie. Oh, Max, right. Yeah. Rookie second rounder. Yeah. Starting. This is my point.

Their defense is still probably more than a year away. Fine. That's fair. But I just like Max Melton guarding Cooper Cup or Pooka Nicaou or Brennan Ayuk or Dibbo. And I'm like, I just think the Cardinals are going to be. So I like Trey McBride. I like Kyler.

I like all these shootouts in Arizona. Yeah. D.K. Who's another person that's one of your favorites this year? This one is more. of just a projection based on where he's being taken, but Malik Neighbors, the receiver out of LSU, who went to your Giants Hyfitz. Yes, he did. I know that, generally speaking, I've been very low

on the Giants lately because they don't score very many touchdowns. But I do see there's a pretty big opportunity for them to come back and have a big bounce back here. I think Daniel Jones has gotten beaten up too much over the last couple of years. You mean, like, in the media or physically? Both, probably. But by me in particular, I recognize that I've been like an anti-Daniel Jones person in the fantasy world. Do you want to recant?

No, not necessarily. Here's kind of the way that I'm looking at this. Marvin Harrison right now, according to Draft Sharks Consensus ADP, is the wide receiver 11 being taken 14th overall. That's Marvin Harrison. Malik Neighbors, the wide receiver 25, 46th overall. And there was quite a few people. wasn't one of them, but there's quite a few people who had Malik

neighbors as the Y receiver one in this class. I think from a pure prospect profile point of view, like stats and some of the explosiveness metrics and all that, like neighbors, you could make the argument as a better prospect. Well, the arguments if Marvin Harrison was just named Jeff. Like he says Marvin Harrison's son named Jeff Harrison, maybe it's a little closer between him and Malik neighbors. And like taken and then combine all the times that draft media has missed on receivers and just fantasy in general have missed on breakout receivers. Like,

Remember, just Justin Jefferson was like the fourth receiver taken in his class or whatever. I just think there's, you have the opportunity to get Lake Neighbors at a huge discount relative to like how they were, how good they were as prospects, where they were taken in the draft. And I think some question marks around the offense in general. And so I'm not necessarily like all in on neighbors this year. I just think he's an outstanding value where you can get him right now. I respect what you're doing, Daniel. I respect it. But

With that said With that said, I'm out. Yeah, I have to be out. That's fair. I just can't, I mean, it's like the vibes. I don't deny he's like an incredible talent. I'm like, potential worst team in the league. Oh, oh, what's terrible quarterback situation.

That's horrible. Excuse me? Could be worse. It could be worse. That's the giant motto in 2024. It could be worse. Right. Yeah, year six of Daniel Jones come off of ACL.

And the neck, don't forget the neck injury. Career-threatening neck injury. People forget. Yeah, I just, team who doesn't score touchdowns with potential to be the worst team in the league, with bottom five quarterback in the league, and a rookie wide receiver. I don't know.

What's not to love? Can I ask you guys a question? Is D.K. doing like an impression of me? No. This is probably the wrong time to ring up neighbors because he's not one of my favorite players, but he was one of my favorite players in the draft. Right, right, right.

And I think we're just, like, kind of writing him off because of all the things that Craig said. And sometimes these guys can overcome bad situations because they're just that good. You know when your favorite director makes a terrible movie and you refuse to acknowledge it? Yeah. Like, that's how you feel, I think, right now.

Who's your favorite directors? There was a section there that it was really good. That was up there with all his best stuff. That's what we're talking about with the director, right? Yeah, yeah. Sure. Sure. Audiences didn't get it.

Like, like Damien Chazel made Babylon. I loved it. Didn't make any money. Huge bomb. Nobody else liked it. That's great. This is exactly what I pictured when you said that.

I think 10 years from now, people are going to look back and, oh, this movie Babylon's on Paramount Plus or whatever the hell streaming service exists 10 years from now. And they're going to be like, this movie's a masterpiece. Why didn't people like it?

That's how I genuinely feel. Neighbors is going to make, he's going to become a classic when they released a DVD. Yeah. Colt classic Yeah, yeah When they start

syndicating He's gonna be huge No, I just really love Neighbors as a prospect I think he's one of the most exciting Explosive receivers Come out of the draft years And

The difference between where you can get Harrison and Neighbors is dramatic So that's That's my take I love neighbors, do this to say I can't say I'd recommend him watching

The New York Giants every week Also like who else is competing With him for targets Darren Waller retired San Diego San Diego State legend, Daniel Bellinger. Daniel Bellinger.

Ballinger. Wondale Robinson, Jalen Hyatt. Jalen Hyatt, who's like the JPEG is stretched vertically instead of from the corner. And then Wondell Robinson, who's actually kind of like smushed because he's 5'8 foot eight. Again, I asked. They don't have any normal proportion.

Who's going to be competing for targets for this guy? The ground? I know, but like, couldn't you have said that last year about like Garrett Wilson with the Aaron Rogerless Jets? And it's like, it doesn't work. Garrett Wilson was fourth in the league in targets

and he was still the wide receiver 39. The argument is that Brian Dables's head coach that the argument is Malik Neighbors is closer to Stefan Diggs than anyone the Giants had last year and that Brian Dable, what he did with the bills, the Giants, the offense is better than what they did. Like two years ago, I think that's the argument. Having said that, yeah, if you want a sexy young rookie receiver, go for it. I'm kind of going out on a limb here. I just felt like throwing it in there.

Poor Darius Slaten, man. What does that guy have to do? Is he still on there? Is he still in there? Darius Slaten said today that Malik Naderi's said today that Malik Nabilis is a Jamar Chase clone. so you know you just love to hear it things you love to hear

who is Daniel Jones a clone of Eli Manning I told you this it's like the Giants cloned him like Barbara Streis and cloned her dogs the Giants cloned Eli Manning and then they just had another Eli Manning

but like in the cloning process there was like a couple DNA strands didn't make it through so he's a little bit won't raised by Archie Archie fucking Manning and one wasn't one was just raised in Connecticut

by his Ross family turned out that wasn't the same thing Jesus God I can't believe they took him. That was so dumb. Oh my God. The Giants did so much dumb stuff. Daniel Jones. I love Sequant so much, but oh my God, they could have taken

Quentin Nelson and Nick Chubb instead they took Seek Juan and Will Hernandez. Holy shit. And that, just like the amount of things that, you know what? Let's not going on that. We don't have time. Craig, who's one of your favorite players? My last favorite player here is David Montgomery on the Lions, the running back. I love this guy, man. This guy's like a like a

pickup truck that your dad refuses to get rid of. That's how I think... 250,000 miles on that thing. That's how I feel about that's what I think Dan Campbell thinks about David Montgomery. He's like, look, you can pitch me any sexy new Tesla model. I'm running. I'm taking the pickup truck. I'm taking the pickup.

Have you seen the cyber truck off road? Come on. Is that contendous Tony a cyber truck through a car wash? I'm just like, look, this guy was a top 12 running back last year at 13 touchdowns playing with Jemir Gibbs. He was ninth in the league in rushing. David Montgomery. Now you can get them outside the top 20 at the position.

I'm just like, look, I don't fully buy. Usually whenever there's two good players on a team, and one is kind of getting older, and one is just about to enter their prime, everybody just assumes that the coach is a fantasy football player and is just going to abandon the old guy and give all the touches to the young guy, and it never happens.

And it's not like David Montgomery is 27. He turned 27 last month. This guy's not 31. Dude, that's David Montgomery being 27 is, that's, he feels old. I have a take. If they, if the, the meme thing where he was playing in college and it was like, David Montgomery is a combination of and it was like, I can't even remember. It was like, Sequin Barclay.

Oh, he's like, Todd Gurley. It was like all the, oh, really? Alvin Camara. They were like the hands of Alvin Camara, the explosiveness of Seekwon Barker. It was like so ridiculous and out there. And it was a, it was. just a little graphic they showed during one of his college games. If that had never happened,

we would have a different impression of David Montgomery. Like, I would think he was really good. Swap their names. Where are they going to draft? David Montgomery's name, Jimere Gibbs and Jimiard Gibbs is named David Montgomery? Yeah.

Way closer. That's way closer. Craig, that's your best take of the season so far. Wow. David Montgomery's name Jimir Gibbs. He's a top 40 player of the show. Sex sells. Jamir Gibbs is fast.

That's really good. So I love David Montgomery. I also wait I kind of inspired now I kind of want to go the other players who are like way younger than they think do you know jk. Dobbins is 25 wow that's too bad doesn't that kind of like mess with your head a little yeah yes the amount of injuries that guy's had like blew up his knee towards Achilles I just yeah anyway but david Montgomery being 27 is kind of like that uh wow I love that so of all these guys my favorite is Anthony Richardson and I you can basically take him aside I mean don't actually take him as high as you want to actually take him as you want, but as soon as you get to like the fifth round, you know, the 40s, if you want to snip them, I think we have them in the 50s or so. Who's your favorite guy at all these dudes? It's Achan for me. Well, you know, you can't pick the ones that you brought.

You have to pick somebody else's. Oh. Oh, did Hafeitz? I thought Hafeits brought Richardson. I did. I'm saying both of you have to choose different players. I want HN. I want D.K. taking H.N., because it's just the ultimate, like, it'll probably not work,

but if it does, you'll win. So that sounds cool. I think I'm going to go with Bijon. I mean, the dude is dead. I would take Richardson. Yeah. Getting like that like Jalen Hertz, Cam Newton level breakout season from a quarterback is like the funnest thing ever.

And you know what's fun about this list? It's like pretty doable to get a bunch of these guys because you could get Brees or Bijon. And then even if you're in an auction, you could get Air Wilson too. But even if you can't, you could totally get Bijon or Brees. Come back around and get Dev on H. Those could be your running backs or Brees or HN. And then you could totally get it. Anthony Richardson to be your quarterback and McBride of your tight end.

Like that's so doable. And if you don't want the two running backs of top, like these guys are very attainable. A lot of them. And so if you have a team with like Devon A Chan, Anthony Richardson, Garrett Wilson, like that's kind of nuts to think about. You guys want to do some emails?

Yeah. Give me one second. My stupid dog needs to go out of here. We're keeping that. We're going to keep you berating George. Like the Will Farrell guy from S&L. You're a fucking dog. I'm sorry the Palm's not taking reservations.

So I think. we'll just stick with the alpo. I guess, because guess what? You're a fucking dog. Dissing your dog. One of the alterates. I don't think I haven't just seen that. I've, I've heard, at this point, it's one of those references that I know you guys referencing,

but I'm just like not moved by it. Well, hop on YouTube. Enlighten yourself. All right. Tell us about the war, grandpa. There's only one way to start this this week. Uh, Joe Biden. Oh.

Got an email. Uh, Joe? What happened with Joe Biden? So, yes, what happened, right? He wants to spend more time playing fantasy, I heard. So this is from redacted. Redacted. Redacted.

Joe Biden. Is this from Joe Biden? It's Joey B, it says, from Rehote. Oh, wow. So Joey B wrote about how we were joking last week about how Bill Belichick was born closer to Jimmy Fox. Jimmy Fox was like the MVP of baseball in 1931. And he was born closer to Bill Belichick than Bill Belichick's girlfriend.

And so on that note, we got an email that said, Joe Biden was born closer to Abraham Lincoln's presidency than his own presidency. No. No way. No. And they showed their work. Lincoln's presidency ended, obviously, April 15th, 1865. Biden was born November 20th, 1942.

Biden entered office January 20th, 2021. So the time between Lincoln's presidency and Biden being born is 77 years, but when Biden was elected was 78. Damn. Closer of Abe Lincoln being president than him being president. That is wild. I love these little facts. Yeah.

Give you the best. Give me all these quotes or give me like all these facts. This is like, Craig, what was the one that Bill and Sal were talking about with Stevie Nix? Them seeing Stevie Nicks 50 years later was the equivalent of their parents going to a concerted from someone they'd first seen in 1919. Oh my God. It was like, because they saw Stevie Nicks like 50 years after they'd first seen Stevie Nicks. So it's like their parents seeing someone.

They'd see it in 19. Wait, that can't be right. I might be butchering it, but the point was Bill and Sal or Bill or one of them had gone to a Stephen X. They had seen it 50, seen her in the 70s. And they're like this, but it's simple. It's the 70s for them is like the odds, the 1910s for their parents, which is true. So they're old. So are we.

Anyway, another tell us about the war grandpa here. I'm also redacting this person because I don't know. I'm just going to do it. Fred. Back to back redacted. Fred? Yeah, I'm just making up a name. Oh, okay.

Fred. Fred. I'm sure you guys heard about the global IT crisis that happened Friday thanks to crowd strike with Microsoft being down. I work in IT and we were hit pretty hard by the crowd strike outage. But in the aftermath, I found an insane fact

about Southwest Airlines. Southwest Airlines was not affected by the Microsoft outage because their core systems are running an insanely old version of Microsoft. Windows. You're probably wondering, how old could it be? Southwest Microsoft Windows system is 32 years old. This is like how I refused to. It's like when you refuse to update your phone because you don't want it to start like losing it batteries quickly. That's classic old ass. Like I like what I

like. Southwest still uses Windows 3.1, which came out in 1992. That's, South West system is older than Craig and I. There's systems older than Craig and me. I'm not even really sure I understand. understand how this is still possible. Like, how are they running a program from 1992? Have they upgraded the computers and they're transferring? Like, how does that work? They're a fucking airline. How do they even hold credit card information?

How is that possible? It's like dialing up. Oh, no, sorry, so it keeps going. The email keeps going. So as the entire world was blue-screening errors on Friday, Southwest was running operations as usual because their system is so old, it probably still needs to have a CD inserted to connect to the Internet. Jesus Christ.

Let this be a lesson to you all. Get off the grid. Don't build them like they used to, do they? That's crazy. You know, they're so funny, that system in Jurassic Park, you know that when they're like coding and they, like, Nubin from Seinfeld shuts down the thing and he's coding. That's like Windows 3.1.

Jesus. Impenetrable. Good luck. Good luck hackers. No Windows 3. There are no hackers who are alive that can still hack into the 3.1. Yeah, they all died. That is so wild.

32 years old. Oh my God. I couldn't believe that. 92. So that was, oh my God. Computer effect. George Bush.

Terrible. The father was president. George H.W. Bush was president when this Microsoft Office 3-1 came out. Jesus. The Berlin Wall had barely come down. Still rumbling. Wait. Hold on.

I had some people very upset at me for, misstating the end when we got into 89. When did the Berlin Wall come down? 89. Sweet. All right. This is also,

now, jobs you didn't know existed. We were talking about this because, wait, why were we talking about jobs we didn't know existed? Oh, because someone emailed us about,

their friend who used to eat dirt now is diffusing underwater bombs. Yeah, and we called them landmines and people were like, they're in the water, you idiots, they're just mines.

We're like, okay, whatever. Good point. That was just me. Fair. I called them landmines. But anyway, we asked people to email

in about jobs you didn't know existed. Thank you to everyone email this. I can't wait for this. So this one's from Frank. Frankie. Frankie. That's why I did a double-take

when you said Fred. Frank, Frank says, I work in operations for a water utility. Okay. At our large... Don't know what that means. Yeah.

Well, we don't know what Frank's job is either. It's a wastewater treatment plant, so sewage. Wastewater treatment. That's the thing? Wast water treatment and he's in operations.

Yeah. We have equipment in the bottom of the wastewater treatment basin, basin, the sewage basin. And sometimes that equipment breaks or needs maintenance. So when this happens, we hire specialized scuba divers who put on dry suits and literally dive into the sewage in complete darkness. And they repair the equipment by touch. By touch. Like they don't, they can't see anything. I think there's too much.

Too much shit in the water. Too much shit to see. That's like a scene in an action movie, I feel like there's always like the spy who has to like swim through sludge and then get out on the other side. And he's got like a tuxedo one under his under his scuba suit, you know, like Bond movies always do that. And everyone's like, oh, you look great. You smell like shit, though. We got another email here from Pete. Pete.

Pete. I have a good family friend who used to live in work in Hawaii doing underwater engineering. He would check out pipelines and make sure they were working. And there was a guy there who would dive with them whose job was to stand on guard. and keep an eye out for sharks. He had a long wooden stick that he was used to keep them away and if needed a harpoon gun.

The guy who was 50 years old had been doing it for 30 years. So he's a bouncer for sharks. He's a shark bouncer. A shark rangler. A shark clown, if you will. Like the rodeo clowns? Rodeo clown.

Was he wearing a clown outfit? Wait, I got one more email here. This is from Danny H. Okay. Okay. I'm not doing it. It's for me. Do it.

It's from you. Yeah, it's me. I wrote this. I just wanted to say a job that I didn't know existed to last night. Okay. So this is not a spoiler for House of the Dragon. It's called House of the Dragon. So all you need to do is at some point in House of Dragon, someone gets lit on fire.

And there was a behind the scenes how they made this. Like a 20, it's incredible of like, here's how we film this. And they actually light the fucking stunt actor on fire with a flame thrower. They're basically like, yeah. Yeah, the CGI for fire is not good enough. I don't know. I can't imagine being lit on fire for work. One of the old James Bond movies, Live and Let Die,

there's a scene where Bond has to run across five crocodiles. I just saw this on Instagram. In the middle of a river. And the stunt guy actually had to run across real crocodiles. They lined real five real crocodiles. And it took him five attempts. And on the fifth one, he did it, the other four, the unsuccessful attempts,

he would literally just fall into a river of crocodiles and escape and try again. That's so insane. He's like, we can't get some fake crocs? They're like, no, sorry, don't have it in the budget. Yeah, it's cheaper to get real ones. The crocodiles are the last animal I'd fuck with. Crocs are number one, and then I wouldn't fuck with bear's sharks are three. But crocodiles are like.

Khyphins has his list automatic in his head already. Wow, that was impressive. Crocs, bears, sharks. Being in Africa, there's a couple of, I mean, like a hippocet. Po, I'm not fucking with. A lion is, you know, give me a break. Fucking elephant, dude. A lot of ways to die.

Yeah, I actually can't think of an animal I would fuck with in Africa. Nature is metal. I don't want to have anything to do with nature. Maybe a little pumba. Oh my God, you know what else was fucked up? What was that movie, Nope? Where the Jordan Peel movie, where the monkey goes nuts. And even then I'm like, damn, I don't know if I could take that monkey.

I never thought. No, they're so strong. Monkeys are super strong. I never realized that I couldn't take an ape. Like, I just kind of thought I could. Human beings are incredibly weak. What are you talking about? Chimps are like 100 pounds.

I got no shot. Chimps weigh 100 pounds? Yeah, they're bigger than you think. They're just pure muscle. They're like 100, 120 pounds. Like, they're decent size. Yeah, they're country's strong. They'll rip your arms off.

All right. We should probably get out of here now. Thank you, T.K., thank you, Craig. You're Belling and Rich. Thank you, TK. Thank you, Kai, for this episode. Are there alligator conflict managers? What other animal conflict managers are there?

The people who like just like raw hand fuck with wild alligators, I think are the craziest people. I got to say, being a stuntman now is probably way fucking easier. Really? Yeah, there's so much CGI now. Like, you barely have to do anything. Yeah, tell up to the people on thrones who were lit on fire. That's fair. Also, thank you, Lord.

In general, on average, the shit that they had to do in the 80s compared to now is probably 10 times harder. Thank you, Chris Cross. I was trying to think of who plays the Danger Zone song. Is that Kenny Loggins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was like, you're just insulting the hell out of Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise does some crazy shit.

Oh, yeah, they made a whole mini movie about him doing the one stunt. The new one where he rides the motorcycle off the cliff? Yeah. Yeah, that was the newest movie, Dead Recommend. He rides a motorcycle off the cliff and then base jumps off of it. And base jumps. The funniest part about that, like, I'm pretty sure the entire movie was built around making sure that scene works. I think they were like they had the idea for that scene and then they were like, okay, now let's build a movie.

Can I say something? Yes, you can. It didn't seem that hard. Oh, my God. You ride a bike. You have the parachute. You ride the bike. You let go of the bike.

You pull a thing. How hard can it be? Yeah, but he then lands on a moving train. Did he really do that, though? Oh, no. No, I obviously not. Going off a gigantic launch ramp on a bike that's going like, I don't know, 80 miles an hour is hard. Yes.

I think I could do that. way before I could run over five live crocodiles. Yeah, well, that's true. I was going to say the stakes are higher because if you fall going 80 miles an hour off this thing, you're fucking dead. I guess you're dead if you get caught by the cross. No, the parachute's not working at that angle. You also have to deploy.

I mean, you have to abandon the bike midair and then deploy your own parachute and then land yourself. I remember seeing the interview, he was like really worried about how the bike was going to fall away from him that would give him a chance to deploy the thing correctly, the parachute correctly. The stunt that I always think about with Cruz is when he took off holding on to the plane door

or whatever. And he was like literally, he was really doing that. He was hooked up to the plane. I mean, he's hanging on to the plane with his bare hands. Well, what's the in, is it Fallout or Ghost Protocol when he's, he's scaling the Burj Khalifa? He's like outside the Burj Khalifa. Oh my God, yeah.

He's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's an understatement. He's crazy. He's crazy. I want more jobs that we didn't know existed. Email us at RingerFancy Football at gml.com and the ringer.com slash events for the live events. Come to LA Show, July 30th. And then, yeah, email us other jobs that are weird

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