The Ringer NFL Show - Our Favorite NFL Draft Bets and Deebo Samuel's Trade Market

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

Deebo Samuel has requested a trade; we discuss where he could land and how this affects the draft. Then, we dip our toe in the gambling waters by running through Ben’s favorite bets so far, as well as others that have caught our eye. Finally, we play America’s favorite game, Two Jargons, One Lie, as well as this week’s spinoff, Two Punters, One Lie. (6:00) — Deebo Samuel (21:08) — Favorite Draft Bets (50:03) — Two Draft Jargons, One Lie (52:51) — Two Punters, One Lie Check out The Ringer’s 2022 NFL Draft Guide Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Listen now. Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz and I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Sullick, and Craig Horlebeck. The draft is a week from Thursday. We're recording this Wednesday, but you might be listening to this Thursday. So the draft is a week away, or less than a week away, depending when you're listening. And we want to put a little action on it. There's a quarter of the teams in the league don't even have the first round pick.

And then a quarter of the teams are probably not going to get a great player. So you kind of probably need a little extra. interest in the draft this year. And luckily for us, we have Benjamin Solek, who like DK, is a draft expert, but also unlike DK, Solek is a complete gambling degenerate. Hey, my mom listens to this in a good way. Well, Mrs. Solek, your son has been placing number one pickback since like September. So like, so like we want you to explain us today just like how to bet on the draft in a smart way. And then when we're not really able to get that,

we then want you to indulge us when we want to bet on the drafted and dumb way anyway. Yeah, that's the right way to talk about it. Because, like, if you are like many people who have just like, you know, legal sports books, let me download like Fandle and have some fun. And you're now like, oh, maybe I should bet the draft. You're a little bit like too late, right? The best way to bet the draft is... There's no edge anymore.

Yeah. The best way to bet the draft is to bet it early. Because books generally struggle so far in their infancy. to handicap the draft well, to set good lines. A lot of books this year are a lot more reticent to post lines because last year, books got their butt-whoops during the NFL draft. I mean, they just got taken to the woodshed. And so you've seen a lot of a lot more hesitancy to put lines out.

But for example, right now, if you look at the first overall pick on Fandle, you're going to find that Aiden Hutchinson is the favorite. He's minus 185, which means, you know, he's the favorite to go number one overall. Trayvon Walker is plus 165. three hours ago, Trayvon Walker was plus 190. That's a big, that's a big money difference.

The difference between plus 190 and plus 165 is significant. For anybody, he's not legible in odds. That means in order to, if you placed a $100 bet three hours ago on Walker to go one overall, you'd win $190, as opposed to right now,

you'd win $165. I don't know about you, but $25 matters, right, in terms of placing more bets or buying sandwiches and yada yada or whatever. And so. Netflix account. Yeah.

Right, as we were talking about the pre-show. Should we tell people to just like, should we cut to the end and be like, don't gamble on the draft and just buy Netflix stock? Or don't buy Netflix? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Don't take financial advice from us.

Other than the gambling stuff. So the moral of the story is read the draft this week if you want to, have fun, right? Manage your bank will be responsible, but look for your favorite team's odds. Look to make some bets. Have a good time watching it. Next year, once the Super Bowl ends,

start thinking about the draft. start reading the insiders and looking about the rumors because this market moves so much and it's so soft that the best way to make money on it is to bet it early. Did you bet like right after the draft last year? Did I bet after the draft? Yeah, like this year's draft?

Yeah, like 365 days ahead or whatever. No, you don't really get, I don't think you even get like first overall pick odds or anything like that. It's like Heisman odds, this kind of stuff. The earliest I started placing bets on this year's draft was the guy like threw a couple around like during the season,

but then it was really when the season came to an end, and especially once Hutchinson really started to gain steam in the draft, that's when I started placing bets with the intention of just having really good value, right? Like, I have a very, very good bet on Icoma Kwaner to be the first overall pick. He's not going to be the first overall pick, but having that bet in hand allowed me to make other bets on the first overall pick, which protected me in the event that Iquan who was the first overall pick.

Then it's like, right, I lost money putting this money on Hutchinson, but still I'm going to make a lot of money, that bad I placed three months ago. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you're building a portfolio of picks over the last six months. Yeah.

And that sounds, that's cool, good for you. That sounds super difficult. Yeah, that's going to ask. What about the people who didn't do that? Right. And so now, right, that's where we go to this week.

Well, firstly, you have a good time, right? Like, like, sports gambling should be fun. If you, like, if you want to do it as, like, I'm saying, like, you know,

if you want to do it as a career, then you got to go first a career. Otherwise, it should be fun. So, like, do what is fun to you. and what's fun is like placing some long shot bets, looking at like first round picks, looking at like specific team to play our marriages and stuff like that. And so like,

yeah, what I recommend Trayvon Walker right now for a overall pick? Yeah, because I think that like it's probably a coin flip right now between Hutchinson and Walker and you're getting good money on Walker so go ahead and take it. But it's not like,

all right, you know, what's the over under for Charles Cross? Like that's, that's, you got to be like grinding mock drafts, talking to agents, yada,

whatever. What's fun to do for this, week is to like go to right team draft specials on fandle the position of the first player draft by the philadelphia eagles defense alignment plus 250 wide receiver plus 300 corner plus 340 wide receiver plus 300 makes a lot of sense let's go ahead and send it you know what i mean and and and have fun that way okay so right off the bat here are there are there odds that debo samuel gets traded so there aren't odds that he gets traded as of right now i have seen sports books that have posted future team odds for Debo Samuel.

The one sportsbook that has it, Niners are minus 205, so prohibitive favorite. Jets plus 450, and then Eagles plus 1,000, Patriots plus 1,600, Bears, 1600, Ravens, 1800, Buckingeers, 2,000, and everything else is long shots from there. So if you think he gets traded, you can try to pick the team, but right now there's no if so he gets traded or not. Do you guys want to talk to Debo real quick before we dive in all these bets?

Yeah, we probably should. Yeah. So, okay. So, yeah, I forgot. I got really excited about the gambling thing. So Debo Samuel, apparently has requested a trade from the 49ers. Apparently he requested it like a week ago, but we just found out about it on 420. And oh yeah, it's 420, by the way, happy holidays, everyone, for those to celebrate. And so Debo is out.

And it's weird because on one hand, you have this weird situation where all these receivers, Debo Samuel, A.J. Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Terry McClureen, all these dudes are all like entering the last year of their contract. they all just saw Christian Kirk get like $18 million a year. Devonty and Terry Kill all got paid a lot of money. And it's just they obviously also want a lot of money. Debo in particular is this weird case because he plays running back too and the Niners need him. But running backs aren't worth anything, but he is. And so right off the jump of your So like, are the Niners crazy for even like should

they even consider trading way Debo Samuel? No. In a football sense. in a he won't play for us anymore because Kyle Shanahan continues to piss off all the football players who play for him since yeah you might have to you know what I mean back up against the wall a little bit

and the thing is is that the timing of this has put you on a difficult clock drafts in seven seven days from Thursday right well if you don't trade Debo before the draft you're going to trade him for a 2023 pick you're going to trade him in in June and wait to cash on

that trade until April? Sounds like it sucks. So there's a little bit of an urgency now in this week to make that trade for Debo and know what sort of first round pick, know what sort of second round pick you're getting for him. From a football perspective, it doesn't make any sense. But if Debo is fully 100% out, I am not playing for the 49ers because they're going to use me like a running back.

They're not going to pay me the extra money that I think I require for taking on that extra risk, then you should move him now so that you know what you're turning around in terms of value with the draft picks known and with the players who are going to be available at those draft picks known. Do you think this makes a little bit of sense from a football perspective, D.K., in that Debo Samuel is a player who, like Ben just said, plays running back and wide receiver not exactly the healthiest guy in the world. Injury history goes back to college. They'd have to pay him a ton of money because the wide receiver market is very inflated right now. Could they just trade him for a top first-round pick, grab a Traylin Burke's type, save a lot

of money? Yeah, I mean, again, this goes back to what we were talking about with D.K. Metcalf on the Seahawks. Like number one, the 49ers are a run heavy team. So do you want to pay an absolute premium for a receiver? I mean, I know that he did do work as a running back too and he kind of changes their offense because he's versatile. But at the end of the day, he is a receiver in a run heavy offense. They're sort of, they seem to be switching gears and going to, uh, Tray Lance. And so, um, you know, maybe paying a receiver that much money for a guy like Tray Lance who's still developing. He's not necessarily going to like get the most out of Devo Samuel. I, I, I guess you could make the argument, Diebo Samuel will really help Trey Lance,

but if you're going to pay $30 million to a receiver who catches three or four balls a game or whatever it's going to be if Trey Lance is a quarterback, like maybe that's not worth it to them. And it goes back to the same thing that we've been talking about all draft seasons. There's going to be really good receivers in every draft class in perpetuity forever. You can get guys in the second round. You can get guys in the third round. It's not going to be Debo Samuel necessarily.

but, you know, somewhat, there's just an ability to, you know, somewhat replicate what he does, you know, through the draft. So I think from a business point of view, this is the decision a lot of teams are going to have to start making here. And I think it does make some sense. If you take a motion out of it and you take the fact that Debo Samuel is maybe like one of the top five coolest players in the NFL, yeah, I think it could make some sense for them. I like to keep emotion in it for a second because we just watch the playoffs and we're like, this guy is irreplaceable. So luck, you've written cool articles.

By both he's written cool articles about how Solac, or not Seleck, sorry, you're not Debo. Solac is a replace. Yeah, he's in a different way. But Debo is like the only receiver who's athletic, but also has running back vision. And I get what we're talking about, oh, like contract value in the cap.

He's incredible. And D.K., every time the, you, whenever in the season we're talking about fourth down, should a team go for one fourth and one, you have the best rule, which is what are the opposing? team's fans want you to do, do the opposite. You're a Seelks fan. You're in the division with the Niners. Forget cap. I don't give a shit about salary cap, money, any that. You're a Seelks fan.

Do you want the Niners to trade him away or do you want them to pay him a lot of money? Absolutely. Get him out of this division. So they should keep them. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think the argument works as much when you get to like salary cap stuff. Because obviously Dick is like, yeah, screw it. Trade him away. I think they're in a weird spot right with all these receivers because before the show, we were joking actually about Netflix. And we were talking about Netflix, their stock is cratered, and they're going to raise the prices, right? Or they're going to stop letting people share accounts. And they're going to install an ad-supported service.

That'll be cheaper. This is what's up with all these wide receivers right now. It's the same thing. Like, we have Netflix and we're like, wow, can't believe you can pay like 15 bucks and get all of this, like all the shows you want. All this mediocre content for $15 a month. That's the team. That's what I was going to say.

The Niners have been getting $4 million a year for Debo. The Titans have been getting whatever for AJ Brown. None of these guys went in the first round. AJ Brown, D.K. McCaff, Debo Samuel, Terry McLaurin. None of these guys went in the first, and they're not getting paid very much. These other guys who aren't as good as them, Christian Kirk, is getting more than four, almost five times as much money. And so now they're like, hey, I think I cost more than the $15 a month. I think I'm worth more than that to you. And they're all happening at the same time. They all have the same agent. And I think that this

is going to be a problem. And I kind of think at least one of them is going to get traded. I don't know who. They have less leverage than Devante and Tyree did because they're coming off their rookie year and stuff. They can get franchise tagged and all that jazz. But I feel like some of these teams, something's going to have to give. The Titans have a crazy expensive offense with AJ Brown. I think that this is all related. And really, it's kind of like we've talked for like 10 years about how quarterbacks and rookie contracts are a big deal.

Russell Wilson, you know, won the Super Bowl, making less than the Seahawks long snapper. I think now we're in this receiver rookie contract thing, where Jamar Chase is out here like being one of the five best rookie receivers, period, in the NFL as a rookie. And he's made, how much is he making? Is the top five pick like $8 million a year? A lot less thing is worth. The thing that we haven't really talked about yet is I think it's interesting that Debo wants a trade.

Like he's forcing a trade. According to the reports I've seen, the 49ers are willing to pay him, actually. And they've offered him big deals. Obviously, we don't know the details of that, but like he asked for a trade. I think that's kind of an interesting wrinkle to this. And because I think over the last like, whatever, six months or, you know, since Debo really broke out and became the superstar player, I think. I think everyone was kind of, well, not everybody, but like I kind of came from the point of view that Debo liked being this like, you know, Joker piece guy in the offense that could do anything. He's so good. But in actuality, it seems like he's like, fuck that. I don't want to be a running back. His friend Instagram that he wants $25 million a year and then Debo apparently liked the Instagram or something. I don't know exactly what happened. But basically he implied that he wants $25 million a year. I think it does come down to money ultimately. But here's the thing. We've seen a lot of this. The Chiefs did.

want to pay Tyree Kill what he wanted, so they sent him to Miami. The Packers did want to pay Devante Adams. Devante didn't want to play there. They had to trade him away. So whether the teams don't think these receivers are worth it, or the guys just don't want to play there, we don't know this situation, there's going to be trades. Ideally, it's like the Stefan Diggs Vikings trade. Where they trade him to Buffalo, he leads to the league of receiving Buffalo's happy. The Vikings get Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson is incredible. They're both happy. In reality, as we go to this draft, I'm curious what both of you think, as the Packers in the Chiefs are like, yeah, we'll just replace Devonte or Tyreek in the draft. The Niners might be like,

yeah, we'll just replace Debo in the draft. I know there are good receivers. We always look, but I don't know. Like, is it kind of a little presumptuous to assume you'll just be able to replace even 80% even with all the receivers we've been seeing succeed really quickly? Yes and no. It's presumptuous to say we can go get an 80% of Debo Samuel because Devo's got a really unique skill set. I think it's more reasonable to say, what did Debo do for us last year? 1,000 receiving yards,

300 rushing yards, whatever the frick it was. I don't remember. He had 1,400 receiving and 360 rushing. I mean, I can tick off. I took a couple notes because I thought this was incredible. But just to hammered on the deba- 10-yards, 14 touchdowns.

The Niners' offense was four times more efficient when he was on the field than he was off. He's the first player in the 21st century. to have at least 1,000 yards, five touchdown catches, and five touchdown rushes. He's also the third player to ever do that.

Led the league in yards per catch, top three in yards per carry, and the first player since the NFL merger to lead his team in rushing touchdown. The first receiver to lead his team in rushing touchdowns. Is there some Shanahan cockiness

in this where it's like, hey, look, I can plug and play anybody. There's some shanahan cockiness in everything that's ever existed. Like, oh, Eli Mitchell doesn't matter. He can be a good running back. Oh, we went to the Super Bowl when Debo, Debo, Samuel was like a rookie

and like not even that healthy. Like, it doesn't matter. I can get anybody and turn anybody into 80% of Debo Samuel and we'll be fired. Yeah, I think that's what it is. That's all right. 18,000 all purpose yards,

14 touchdowns. I can go and get a receiver that I'm going to pick it 38, right? Whatever the Jets' second round pick is like I remember, but 38. And I can get him and Brandon I,

you combined to be, you know, like a little extra for Brandon Iuke plus that guy, I can get it to be about 80% of Debo. Now, that is a very nuts and bolts way of looking.

at it. That's a spreadsheet way of looking at it. The stat that high if it's open with there, which is that the Niners' offense was four times as effective when Debo was on the field as opposed to off the field, that's the one that interests me, right? Because it's one thing if you can make the offense work without him, it's another thing if I don't have to worry about him, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday coming up to that game. Because that's a lot about what Debo was. It was when he's on the field, we don't know what the personnel grouping actually is. Like they would walk on the field with Kittle, Kyle Eustick, and Debo on the field. Right?

they're in the huddle. That could be 21 personnel, you know, I formation, honor center run. And then the very next snap, it could be five wide. You lose Debo, you lose some of that. And now it makes it easier for game planning come week 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, divisional rounds, divisional opponents, I should say, when teams have have film on you and they have tendencies on you,

you don't have the ability to hide as much of what you're going to do because you don't have that jack knife, right? That jack of all trades out there on the field. And so I think, yeah, like this offense can replace Debo, production, somebody's going to get yards, somebody's going to get touchdowns, this is a good offense. Debo's effect on defenses, the fear of God placed into opponents by that man named Devo? The pucker factor?

Yeah, that's where it's like, you know what, the money's worth the fear of God. And honestly, in a way, I feel like, unless you're afraid of injury, I feel like he's more valuable than any of these other guys, honestly. I don't know. I actually don't think I agree. Let's say if he does get traded. DK., what's the most fun possible place Debo Samosahel could go? Wait, Craig.

What? Craig doesn't agree with what? I don't agree with Haifitz, actually. I think on the other side. I think he's super injury prone and Shanahan can turn somebody else into a percent of him. Injury prone, that's legit, because he broke his foot in college, right? He's had injury. If you feel like he's not going to be able to stay on the field and, like, I mean,

they have doctors. They evaluate these guys medically. We don't know what the deal is. That, to me, is different. If you believe he's going to stay healthy, I think that he's, like, if all these guys continue to play all the games for the next four years, I actually would choose Debo. But I also think he's probably the least likely to do so. part because of the running back,

but even if he was just purely receiver. But again, DK, where's like the number one place you'd want to see Debo, like the most fun place? I mean, the very general low-hanging fruit

is always going to be the chiefs, especially since they just traded Terry Kill. So that would be probably the top of my list. But I mean, if you add in other teams like the Cardals, they need some more receiving help there, certainly. Packers,

of course, a place that's going to pay him 25 million a year because he is going to need that in a trade. I don't know. Do you think the Packers would do it? The Packers have been so like, that's the reason they let Devante go. Well, they tried to pay him. I mean, they did try to pay him.

This is kind of like the same situation with the 49ers. I feel like he's going to end up on the Jets if he really wants to trade. Yeah, the Jets. The Prosser makes a lot of sense. The Jets offense is being run by, you know, Matt LaFleur's little brother, Mike LaFleur, who was the 49ers passing game coordinator. I mean, I feel like that's obviously the head coach who used to be the defensive coordinator for the Niners.

So I kind of feel like the Jets are going to make an offer. And then Debo's going to be like, you really want to be a jet? Really? I'm telling you, I'm afraid of where Debo ends up. I'm really afraid because he's going to go to a mediocre team and he's going to put up mediocre stats. That's my fear. The Jets's trying to get these trade receivers or like the Knicks trying to get free agents.

And it's like, no one wants to go there. How much influence do we think Debo has over where he lands? I feel like a decent amount because if he doesn't agree to the extension, who's going to trade for him if you can't pre-negotiate the extension. That's a good point. Unless you're saying that maybe they do. take them for like less and they don't get it. Maybe I'm wrong. There could be a team that trades for him without the extension, but that'd be

fucking risky. I suppose there's two years of control with the tag and just help you figure it out. True, yeah. I think that I'm, I think that he ends up in like Houston, right? I think he ends up, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's going to be, right? Like Houston has a ton of caps space right now. The Bears have enough caps space to do it.

Like, he's going to end up somewhere where they need a wide receiver and they have so many other needs that they don't want to spend a first round pick, like, that's the Texans, right? With 3 and 13, it's like, okay, we can send 13 for this guy. Maybe we can try to get it to his second round pick in a future second or whatever. But I think for a lot of these really good teams who are just like a receiver away,

like, you know, think about like how much money would be for the Chargers, how much money be for the Patriots, right? Teams that like need receivers, but otherwise are pretty good. I think those teams will rather stay and see that they can make a pick as opposed to going for trade for Debo. Bears is kind of fun. He kind of feels like a bear. Bears is not fun. I would love that for.

Justin Fields. That'd be good for Justin Fields. I'd love it for Justin Fields. I'd hate it for Debo because of Chicago. As we're saying here, the teams that actually would do this all feel really disappointing. And I just, I don't know. I feel like he's going to stay with the Niners. All right.

Let's talk betting the draft. Yeah. And speaking of that, I think I have a good segue for this. And in Hyphitz, you actually said it. Basically, no one wants to go to New York. None of these receivers want to go to the Jets. And so I think, and this is not like an original idea. I think I've heard Daniel Jeremiah bring this up and posit this as a possibility.

But like the Jets have number four, number 10 in this draft. And a lot of times people have been giving the Jets a pass-rarsher first or whatever or a corner. Maybe they just go receiver and they're like, fuck it. We're not going to mess around anymore. None of these players want to come here. Let's just take our receiver, get that guy, have them in place, and we can figure it out at number 10. So there's two guys that have really good odds right now to be the fourth overall pick. And it doesn't even have to be the Jets, but just the fourth overall pick.

Drake London right now is 20 to 1, and Garrett Wilson is 14 to 1 to be the number 4 pick. So I thought those are just good kind of longer shot ones, but... You said 20 to 1? Yeah. Let me ask So, like, do you think that Drake London is going to be the first receiver picked? No. Just like gun to your head.

Who do you think it's going to be? Jameson or... Yeah. So it's been Garrett Wilson for the whole run. And the entire time it's been Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams out of Alabama has gone from like... plus 800, 8 to 1 to be the first receiver, to 7 to 1, to 5 to 1, to 3 and a half to 1.

He's 2 to 1 right now. And Daniel Jeremiah had just said on his podcast, move of the sticks today, if he were asked who the first receiver off the board will be in the draft, he'd say Jameson Williams. That's really, really interesting. Jameson Williams is 20 to 1 also to be the number 4 overall pick. Well, but what are the odds for him to just be the first receiver taken?

plus 200, 2 to 1. Oh. That is a bet that I personally won't make the 2 to 1 bet because I've already made the James and Williams first receiver off the board bet a couple of times. Okay, sorry. The people don't have a portfolio and have to start doing this now. That's what I was going to say.

Listen, a lot of draft season is betting really like early lines, getting very good what's called CLV, right? So you're getting a great line relative to where the line closes, bragging about it as long as you can because then the bet doesn't hit. and so you don't actually make anything on it. So it's just all about bragging about the CLV. Oh, I see what you're saying. So that's why I got to brag about my CLV.

Regardless, I would take James and Williams right now at 2 to 1. If I had not ever bet bet into this market, two to one to me, he currently sounds among insiders like he is at least 50-50, if not the slight favorite to be the first receiver off the board. At 4 is the question mark because there is an edge rusher that the Jets would take it for if he was available, maybe even 2, which edge rushers are they, Ben? I don't freaking know.

We got three top guys in Walker, Hutchinson, and Tibido, and the Jets desperately need an edge, and maybe there's a guy that at four they really is hoping is falling to them. I don't know who that is, and I don't know if that guy exists or not, but that player puts receiver at four in dire straits. So it's probably safer if you think the Jets are going to go receiver,

and I do, to take the top 10 odds on Jameson Williams. take to go top 10 on Garrett Wilson. I think those would be their two preferred players over Drake London. We've never really seen Shanahan offenses prefer these contested catch guys like London is. So I do like both those bets. The team to watch for is the Falcons at 8 because the Falcons at 8 are also a strong wide receiver team, also like Garrett Wilson, also apparently like James and Williams as well. So if you want to place just pure to go top 10 bets on Garrett Wilson and on Jameson

Williams, right now Wilson is minus 170. Jameson Williams is plus 175. Both bets are good, in my opinion. I want to rewind a little bit here because we started talking about the fourth pick before we got to the first. And I just wanted, the first pick, the odds are terrible.

Aidan Hutchinson minus 4,000. So you have to put down 4,000 bucks to make, what, $100? That's him to be a top five pick, yeah. Oh, top five. Oh, well, mind. I remember reading this right. Oh, Jesus. What is going on?

Man, you guys need to learn how to navigate y'all sports books. Sorry, number one pick odds. He's minus 185 to be the first. pick, Traven Walker is plus 165. So I assume you're not going to take someone else to be the first pick, Solex. So if you had a bet, Aidan Hutchinson minus 185 or Traven Walker plus 165, which of those would you take?

Yeah, I take Walker. I talked about it a little bit earlier. I think right now it's a house divided in Jacksonville. I think some people want Walker, the GM, Trimbulke. I think some people want Ian Hutchinson, the coaching staff. And if you're going to give me a coin flip, right, that's 50-50 odds. And Trayvon Walker right now is plus 165, which applies like a 38 or 37% chance. Yeah, I'll take Walker.

I also, it's a bit of a loaded coin flip because the guy who likes Walker is the GM. He's the one to turn the card in. It's not that coach. That's, Balky's a little writing the name down. And so if push comes to shove here, you expect him to have the edge. So to me, Trayvon Walker is the smart bet. Like I said, Walker was plus 190 earlier today on Fanduel. He was plus 300 a week ago.

This is where the steam is right now. terrible. We should not be betting this because if you haven't bet anything, I think Walker plus 165 is a great bet. It's just to say that this is the momentum. The direction we've been heading is Walker looks more and more likely as we opposed the draft to be the first overall pick. He's like an NFT. I'd never heard of it a little

bit ago when people are talking about it and we skip the part where why is it worth this much? You don't really get how it's supposed to work. Its value seems totally fictitious. I agree. Can we talk real quick about some of the reasons that we think that the Jags are going to take Trevon Walker. Number one, because Trevon Walker reminds bulky of all

Alden Smith. Wait, the entire argument you're saying is that the Jaguars GM's bad at his job. That's basically what you're saying. That's the entire argument. Correct. Whole argument. Number two, the other reason, which is a great, exactly like it reinforces what you just said, Hyphitz, or what you just asked, there's this theory out there that Balke does not

want to take Hutchinson because Hutchinson is Jim Harbaugh's boy. He's his boy. He's his guy. He's like, he doesn't want to, there's like bad blood between Harbaugh and Balchie. And Balchie and him were the Niners together. He's like, fuck this guy. I'm not taking Hutchinson because of Harba, blah, blah, blah, blah, which would be like the dumbest reason on earth.

Would it be? I think it would be a perfectly hilarious and acceptable reason. I'm all the way in on petty team management. Yes. That's like a curb your enthusiasm bit. It's like a spite pick. He's like, I'm not doing it. Just not doing it.

That would be funny. I can't believe I didn't put that together yet. But wow. Okay. Well, I guess Treven Walker, the NFT then. No, I feel like it's the Hutchinson. I think I'm honestly going to put Trouin Walker at number one in my final mock draft. Like if I had to do it right now, I'm doing it next week.

Are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious. This is absolutely nuts to me. I mean, I reserve the right to change my mind, but that's where I'm leaning right now. D.K., where is Chirvonne Walker on your big board? Which is just your general rankings, one through 32. I think he's like number nine or something like that. Yeah, number nine.

I mean, he's not like low, but he, to me, it's everything we've talked about over the last few weeks. It's like, it's just a huge projection. You know what I mean? like obviously he's very, very athletic and he has a perfectly built frame to be a pass wrestler in the NFL. However, he just isn't quite there yet. I think this is crazy. I think we're going to get more in depth than this with our mock draft episode next week.

For right now, I want to stick with the bets. Craig or DK, are there any bets or, D.K., you already gave us one. I'm curious, Craig, do you have any bets that you, like, wanted to run by us that you kind of, like, as you were perusing the Fandle board? Yeah, I wanted to talk about who is going to be a top five pick or even the number five pick, exactly. So basically, just looking at quarterbacks in general, right? Like, there has been only one draft in the last 20 years

where a quarterback has not gone in the top three. Like, that's insane. The last 20 years. It was only EJ. 1? One? It would have been E.J. Manuel than Chad Pennington. 2000. So I said last 20 years, 0-1 to 21. Cut that off. I just did the last 20 years. Well, done, brother. Well, that's how we do.

That's how we get stats. That's that Matthew Berry, like, player A, player B thing, where you like pick exactly what you want. Anyway, okay, so two in the last 21 drafts. one in the last 20 drafts. But anyway, Wow. The Panthers are picking at six and, you know, there's a chance that

they might take like a candy picket or a quarterback in general. So basically, my idea is that if somebody wants a quarterback and they want to have their pick of the litter, they're going to have to jump ahead of Carolina at six into the five slot, which is the giant slot. So does it make sense, Ben, D.K., in your guys' mind,

right now, Malik Willis is plus 2,000 to be the number five pick, and he's plus 400, 4 to 1 to be a top 5 pick. Can he pick it as well plus 700 or 7 to 1 to be a top 5 pick? Do you like the idea of just picking a couple quarterbacks to get drafted in the top 5 because this is what history suggests? Yeah.

I do, but I'm also very scared. Again, to pull a Daniel Jeremiah, Jeremiah said to move the sticks today, first quarterback off the board for them was Malik Willis to the Steelers at 20. No trade-up. at 20. I would be very surprised if that happens. In the modern NFL,

to me, that's just not going to fly. Yeah, I'm betting on like human nature, like greed for like, oh, God, we need a quarterback. We're here now.

We can't wait till next year. Yeah. And so I do think there's a trade-up. Is it all the way into the top five? It's hard to think of. I will say what makes me reticent on the Giants pick,

particularly at five, is that Joe Shone comes from, excuse me, Joe Shane, who's the new GM there, comes from... It looks like Shone. The bills,

yeah, he comes from the bill. Bill's front office as he was under Brandon B in there. That looks like Bean and has said like Bean, I'm pretty sure. And all they ever did was trade up. They were not a big tradeback team.

So it's possible, but I think that five won't want to move back. I don't think that's the Giants M.O. And at six with the Panthers, increasing rumors out of Carolina is they're not taking quarterback. In fact, the rumors are that Carolina would like to trade out of six.

They're trying to trade out. Yeah, they're like making a tackle move. So I think that the teams that I start to get worried around, right? If I'm a team who wants a quarterback and I'm picking at 20, the Steelers, 26 the Titans, I look at the Falcons at 8, Marcus Mariotta, just traded away Matt Ryan.

The Seahawks at 9, Drew Locke, just trade away. No, they're trying to trade back. I just don't think the Seahawks are going to take a quarterback. Okay, well, then would you bet? So if you look at just over unders for when these quarterbacks going to get drafted, Malik's, according to Fandall right now, Malik Willis is over under's 10 and a half,

and can he pick at 12 and a half? So you can grab the under for both of those, and that would fit in your Falcons C's C's The Hawks, even Commanders range for Kenny Pickett there. Commanders was going to be the final team I was going to say. Yeah, I like the Willis under 10 and a half. I've Willis under 9 and a half plus money, and now it's moved to 10 and a half. So it's moving against me there.

And I understand why a lot of the smart people, a lot of the plugged-in people are saying potentially no quarterback in the top 10, potentially first quarterback at 20. It's just to me that does not seem like the NFL I know. The NFL I know is obsessed with quarterback. Look at the last 20 years. I don't think I'm buying it. I think I want quarterback in the top 10. On that note, I think that,

I don't think there will be the same demand for quarterbacks this year because I think that, again, teams, we're talking about, you mentioned like human nature teams straight up for quarterbacks. It's like, it's because the hope and like the teams need hope. I think all like these teams are scared of tying their careers to these guys and that they all have made plan. Like if you watch what they do and not what they say, they've all made plans to survive the short term. However, I do think for Malik Will specifically, I think Washington at 20 to one is much better odds. The Steelers are like three to one. even the Falcons from Lake Willis are 4 to 1 and Washington's at 20 to 1

I don't know why the team with the Falcons and Marietta for one year is 4 to 1 and the Washington who has Wence is like 20 to 1 I feel like that's possible When I look for surprise quarterback team I look for head coach slash GM trying to keep their job and if there's a team that fits that bill right now

it's Ron Rivera and Martin Beahue in Washington they are on the hot seat and the thing about Malik Willis is if he looks good for weeks 10 through 17 that stays hot, but it stays yours for another year to let you see what this guy looks like moving forward. And Washington is also 20 to want to take any picket too. So I think that's good.

And then also, you mentioned the fifth pick too. You mentioned the Giants. I want some of the Giants for one second. There is an actual, like, I'm going to bet this. I'm going to try very hard to bet this before we go live. We're sorry to put this podcast episode up because this is a mistake. Straight up a mistake. And if it's not a mistake, so like you explain to me why.

The Giants have the fifth and the seventh pick. I think they're widely expected to take an offensive lineman. and then it seems like the tea leaves are pointing toward taking a cornerback with the seventh pick or in some order. For some reason, it's like a parley, basically. If you have to bet, if Evan Neal, the Alabama offensive lineman goes fifth and Saus Gardner, the Cincinnati cornerback, goes seven. So the Giants take Evan Neal and Gardner in that order.

It's seven to one. But if the Giants take Evan Neal and Derek Stingley, it's 40 to 1. 40 to 1. 40 to 1. And it's also 40 to 1 if they take Ikemequanu and then Stingley. So I'm going to do this. I'm going to do both. It's 50 bucks, 50 bucks maximum bet. 50 bucks on the Giants take Neil and Stingley. 50 bucks in the Giants take Ikeekwano and Stingley and like boom, I kind of feel like it's way better odds than 40 to 1. When the Giants take Cross at 5 and Stingley at 7, if it's going to punch a hole in the wall. You can do that one too. That one's even crazier odds. Yep. I will say you're barking up the right tree.

Derek Stingley, man, is, it sounds like Stingley's gonna be a top 10 pick, which has been quite the... Number nine. Number nine. Quite the circus. Yeah, yeah, number nine.

Quite the circus here. Stron it out there. Yeah. For Derek Stingley, who was like, I have a bet on Singley be the first overall pick from like, you know,

August. Yeah. And then he was falling. He's not going to be a top 15 pick. Teams hate his attitude. And then he went through the combine, right, got to talk to teams. And then he went to his pro day.

Now Pro Day was good. And all of a sudden, teams like, you know, who's good? You know, covers some people. Derek Stingley. Yeah. We like this cat a little bit.

He's a really, really talented player. I expect him to go top 10, especially because Sauce Gardner, the corner out of Cincinnati, is corner one is now looking to be like a bona fide lock to go top five. There's rumors about him. He might go three overall. Yeah, to Houston Texans,

which moves Stingley up. So I think you are very correct in a, in building out tackle corner stacks, especially tackle Stingley stacks for the Giants at 5 and 7. See, I'm just going to build my portfolio over the next four days as portfolios are supposed to, to be built. That's the right way to do it.

Hi Fitz, what is your dream scenario for the Giants? Because I want to get to my dream scenario too. What I just said. It's basically which one? Iquanu or Evan Neal, follow the fifth pick. So basically if, let's say the Jaggors take Trayvon Walker, the lions are thrilled and they get eating in Hutchinson. Yeah. The Texans, let's just say they take Sauce. Yeah, sauce Gardner. And then the Jets, I kind of, I don't care what the Jets do. Kavon. Yeah, I don't care. Yeah, sure. Kavon. I don't care though.

Because even if they take Ikea Kwan or whatever, then the Giants get Evan Neal. The Panthers just took a cornerback first last year. I feel like they're not going to do that again. And then the Giants get the seventh pick. And then they get Derek Stingley. And those are two dudes who were like the top prospects at their position like two months ago. Before we all talk to ourselves out of everyone.

Everyone sucks now, by the way. I was talking to my buddy about this. I've talked to myself out of all players in this draft of this. I think they all suck. The draft process is like the, what is it like the seven stages of grief or whatever? where it's just like it is. Five stages. It feels like seven though, Craig. It feels like you start over.

It's almost as if all draft coverage. Yeah. Dude, I feel like this year though in particular, I don't know why I have way more draft fatigue this year than ever before. I think it's just because there's no like sure things in this class. And we're coming off last year. Last year was electric. Yeah.

And now freaking Solac is like trying to tell. me that Aiden Hutchinson, of all people, is bad, too. It's like, nobody's good in this class. No, no, no, no, no. Aiden Hutchinson's good. All right? The sirens are off. Aiden Hutchinson's a good ballplay, right?

He's a good problem. This is not the take. Good point. Sorry, forgot. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about, D.K. Well, wait, a couple of, there are a couple other fun bets I like to look at every year, and I kind of just want to tick, I just want to just pick your guys' brains on them. Total number of SEC players drafted in the first round.

Ooh, I like these. Over under 10 and a half. let me read you the list I put together. Tell me if I'm forgetting anyone. So there's like, I got seven SEC players as absolute stone cold locks. Evan Neal, Jameson Williams from Bama. That's two. Charles Cross from Mississippi State.

That's three. Derek Stingley from LSU, that's four. Trayvon Walker and Jordan Davis from Georgia. That's six. Jermaine Johnson from Florida State, right? Florida State is in the ACCC school. Throw them out. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Do you know I always think Florida State and Clemson are in the SEC? I always think that with Clemson, too, so don't feel bad. I apologize to all the people who love college football. I'm ashamed of me right now. That's all good. Kevin Clark's going to murder me.

All right, so that's six locks. And then I have almost definitely going in the first round of Trayland Brooks from Arkansas and Devante Wyatt from Georgia, like almost definitely going in the first round. So that's eight. Very probably. And then Mabies or Kyre Elam,

the cornerback from Florida, Canyon Green, the guard from Texas A&M, Matt Corral at Ole Miss, Quay Walker, the lineback from Georgia, George Pickens from Georgia. They're like, maybe like 10 and a half. I feel like when they set the line, you're like, oh, plenty of guys will go from the SEC over. But like, I kind of think it's under 10 and a half.

What do you guys think? I'm scanning. I'm scanning this list right now. I also think it's under. And it's because I have less certainty in Devante wide to be a first overall pick than you do. Right now he's minus. Yeah. Right now he's minus 300 on books to be a top 32 pick.

That's the Fandwell line. And that's that's understandable. But there have been. in continued reports now about Devante Wyatt's history with domestic violence and history, history with family violence accusations over the course of his high school and into his college career that have teams perturbed. And understandably so, that's part of the pre-draft process is looking into it and uncovering these things that weren't really discussed from these guys for college prospects.

So you have that hanging on Devante Wyatt now. And to me, that that pulls him down from like minus 300. That makes it less likely he goes first round. What about Lewis Seen though? Can you throw him on this list? Maybe. Also, the player that deserves to be mentioned here is also Nicobi Dean, who's the line backguard of Georgia, who's currently minus 300 to go first round. I think that's too high, but he also is right now considerably favored to be a first round

pick. So he's also, he's a Georgia player who's going to be part of that line. But I do think 10 and a half, if I'm leaning anywhere on that, I am leaning under. So we've only got seven SEC players to definitely, like, definitely go in the first, and we've got five that, like, maybe could go in the first. A really fun exercise I do every year is seeing how many players you can list that you're absolutely positive

go in the first round and you're not allowed to get any of them wrong. Should we do that right now or should we do that on our next episode? I actually like that. You do it next episode, but it's fun. Usually I can get to like 18 names. I think that's a fun idea.

Let's do that on the next one. That's great actually. Can I ask? I have a question. How accurate is the most accurate mock draft usually in the world? Usually? Not very accurate.

So, right. So the Huddle Report is the service that kind of grades all these mock drafts. And they have a contest every year and they give out, you know, whatever, you did a great job. And they grade on how many players you put in your first round mock that did go in the first round. Yeah. And then also how many exact player team matchups did you get correct, right? So last year, for example, Josh Norris of Underdog Fantasy had the most accurate mock drafts the Huddle Report has ever scored. shout out Josh.

He's like 16 right or something. 16 exactly right? Including the first eight. He got the first eight picks correct. He got 27 of the 32 players in the first round correct. And he got 16 player team matches correct. The next closest was 13. Other people got like 27 players.

For example, Ben Zolak of the draft network got 27 of the first 32 players correct. What a guy. He only got 10 of the 10 matches correct. And accordingly, he tied for 15th. But regardless, most of the time, the top scores around like of 46, 47. Like last year there were a lot of scores like 49s and in the 50s. Like last year, mockers did really, really well. But those sort of scores are like, yeah, you're going to get 12 team pick pairings and like 25, 26, 27 first round picks, right?

And that's it. So usually you're seeing about a third of the draft to get the pairings correct. And about 85, 90% of the players correct. This is like the March Madness bracket of football. Mm-hmm. So I'm looking at the scores. Because the cascades that you get more wrong, they'd get more wrong picks.

Ben, you finished 15th overall on the Huddell report last year. Yes, sir. Nice work. So it takes five years to get an accrued score like altogether, but if you, if you, I've only done for four years.

If you accrued my score over four years right now, I'd be like 13th, 14th on their list. Ooh, look at this guy. Flex. So I really like to do well this year is the moral of that story because I could tank myself

with a bad score. Okay, so with that said, with Ben being very, good. What are the best bets left? Maybe not the sexy one. Ben, I'm going to give you a hundred of my dollars and you're going to do whatever that's how you want with them. What are you going to put with our money if we just give you money? What are you going to bet on? Which is you should not do, but. But, um, okay, so I, I would put place on Trayvon Walker be the first overall pick, uh, probably a little bit at plus 165, not too much. I would take, uh, Jameson Williams to be a top 10

pick plus 175. Again, not too much, but I would go for it. Um, you also have right now the ability to get top 10 pick on Derek Stingley, which is minus 120. I would take that as well because I think at this point, I'm pretty confident saying that Derek Stingley's floor is probably nine when it comes to the hype that we're hearing. You also have just straight over unders on player draft positions

right now, right? Which is where over means they get picked later than that number and under means they get picked earlier than that number. Trent McDuffie, corner out of Washington. Right now, said it's 17 and a half on Fandul. Under is minus 130. not making it to 17. From what I understand, Vikings at 12 are legit option.

Texas at 13 are a legit option. Eagles of 15 are a legit option. So I like the ability to get McDuffie under 17.5 at minus 1.30. So if you can go do that on draftings, to me that's worthy. Andrew Booth, corner out of Clemson, over under set at 27 and a half. He's got some pretty substantial injury red flags right now. Medical concerns, he's had multiple sports hernia surgeries already. I don't think he's going to be a first round pick.

And there's been a lot of conversation about him not being a first round pick. So at 27 and a half minus 114, I would take the under. And then last but not least, the position that I have the most right now, like if you asked my wife Meredith, like, hey, what do we need to happen on draft night? She'd like, I have no idea, but Desmond Ritter better be a first round pick. And that's because I've told Mayor multiple times, Desmond Ritter's a first round pick, we're going to Hawaii.

Desmond Ritter has had a ton of hype as a quarterback out of Cincinnati across the pre-draft process. I have an article about him coming out on Monday. Over the entire last month, all you've heard is interviewing great. Teams love him, mature. polished. He's the year one starter. He's the guy who's ready to go. He's like Tony Paulina Pro Football Network said everybody has a first round grade on this guy. And yet you can still get him to be a first round pick at relatively even money. Previously he was like plus 100. Now he's minus 135. And so Desmond Britter to be a under top to be a first round pick minus 135 is over under is 30

and a half. And I wouldn't take that. I would take the top 10 pick or excuse me the top 32 pick. just because that 32 cutoff is important because it gives you the fifth year option and we know teams value that at the quarterback position. That's why Teddy Bridgewater went where he did. That's why Lamar Jackson went where he did. Because getting a guy at 32 is a lot different than getting him at 33 when you get that fifth year option

on the contract. That really matters for quarterbacks. So Ritter to be a top 32 pick, minus 135. Let's have ourselves a good draft weekend, baby. You write all that down? I wrote it down, don't worry. Okay, good. No, that's just like, you know, that basically that right there is everything I've been looking at over the last like a couple of days. And also other stuff, but I can't blow up all the spots just yet.

If you want to hear more gambling stuff from Betty, he's going to be on the ringer gambling show with Warren Sharp. This week, he's going to be on again with next week. But, or we could just put all those bets in the episode notes for the show, Greg. And then you could just look at that. But then nobody would click. Yeah. Everybody would be like, sweet. Don't have to listen now.

Any other bets you guys wanted to hear about any guys, the bet you guys want to talk about? I'm putting this out there. I'm going to put this out there as a sort of a reverse jinks, but I think actually betting on the Seahawks doing something dumb is probably a good bet. Like, it's going to hit. So there's two picks to be top ten picks that I think makes sense. And it's important to remember here that the Seahawks pick at nine.

Trevor Penning is six to one to be a top ten pick. Solek, unfortunately, you've been on this one too. It's just too perfect for the Seahawks to pick Trevor Penning, who is, again, an old small school, senior bowl guy. The Seahawks trifecta. And then the other one that for whatever reason is getting a lot of buzz for the Seahawks. I've seen this in a lot of mock drafts even though Seahawks just took a linebacker in the first round a couple years ago.

Devin Lloyd at number nine, or sorry, to be a top ten pick is six to one also. Oh, wow. If you want to bet on the Seahawks doing something dumb, usually that's pretty good odds. So go for it. What's your dream scenario, D.K.? My dream scenario, and I think my first dream scenario, is becoming less and less likely, it seems like,

which would be Kavon-Tibodow falling to number nine. The Seahs's picking him there. My alternate dream scenarios include one of the top tackles. I know that's boring, but the Seahawks don't have any tackles. And then Derek Stingley at number nine. That's all.

I just don't do something stupid. The Seahawks are going to have a bad draft. What about the Steelers? I have no idea what the Steelers are going to do. The one thing I don't want them to do is to trade up to like the top whatever. And for a quarterback, I don't want them to do that.

Yeah. I still feel like, part of me just, I know they're more likely than not take a quarterback. I just kind of still feel like they're going to grab someone in the second round. I don't know.

Can't shake it. Can we do the one thing that all gamblers always want to do but generally responsibly try to avoid but sometimes it's fun to do. Yeah. All right. So if you go to Fandul and you go to top 32 picks,

so you go to the top picks thing, you'll notice it says, 2020 NFL drafts be a top 32 pick, combine multiple selections into a parlay. Uh-oh. Now parlaying is bad business. It's dangerous to parlay But going through and just

Clicking the names that you think are going to be first round picks And then seeing what the odds come out as Is a good time How many names are you throwing in that parlay, Ben? So right, for example Trevor, like they don't offer every player They don't offer Aiden Hutchinson because that was going to be a first round pick But Trevor Penning, who like D.K. just said might be like a top 10 pick

Traylin Burks, Tren McDuffie. I talked about him under 17.5 And Zion Johnson at Boston College are all of So let's just add those four because they're all definitely four going to be first round picks, right? Nothing bad is going to happen over the next seven days. Okay, I think Ritter's going to be a first round pick. Kyler Gordon, the corner out of Washington is apparently clear corner four.

So I think he's going to be a first round pick. And Tyler Smith, the tackle out of Tulsa is a guy that's got some hype as like a top 20, top 25 guy project tackle. Let's take him. So that's seven names. Plus 1,471, which means if I bet 10 bucks, I make $147. $11. Yeah. Did you put Andrew Booth in there? No, I did not put Booth. That's Trevor Penning,

Traylon Burke, Zion Johnson, Trent McDuffey, Desmond Ritter, Kyler Gordon, and Tyler Smith. So, okay, if I put $10 in there, that's $147. Ben, that's cool. If you add Andrew Booth, that becomes plus $2,300. Yeah, but I don't think Booth can be a first round pick. Booth is going to have injury. The injury concerns.

Ben, we're going to play a game next Wednesday, for next Wednesday's show, where Ben is going to create the largest top 32 parlay. This is actually fun. He can possibly do and everybody can watch live and see if it hits. Yeah, this is going to be incredible.

Oh, I'm going to add Breece Hall plus 150. Love it. Apparently the bill is like him. Oh, right, 3827 with eight names. There we go. Who doesn't love? You actually think he's going to go first?

We're going to perfect this and we're going to come back to our next step. So we're going to get delivered. This is a can of worms. Once you start doing it, it's very difficult to stop. Yeah, we're going to perfect this and then we're going to come back. Okay.

Two jargons that a lie. one. We didn't do two jargons and a lie in the take perch. So we need, we, we have two jargons and a lie. And then a lot of you sent us two punters and a lie. I can't wait for that. So we're going to do that. But first two jargons and a lie, D.K. Do you have two jargons in lie for us this week? Here's two jargons and a lie. Number one, quick as a hiccup. Number two, stay in phase. Number three, skid slide. Skidslide. A hundred percent agree. Because I think we, okay, though, hold on. Ben, you can't answer. We've done, I will say, I think we've done. I think we've done. The draft expert.

I think we've done Quick as a Hickup. Oh shit, have we? I read that the other day and I thought it was fun. Yeah, I think Quiggin' As a Hickup is real, because we've talked about that. The middle one's definitely real. You wouldn't have made that up. The last one's fake, is my guess. But I think we've done Quiggas a Hickup, if you have three more, do you, by chance?

I can bring three out right now. I have one that I've been saving. So I can to save the day. Yeah. Well, I have a trio that I've been saving. They have a common theme, and they're really some of my favorite ones. Oh, wow. I was going to say they're three of my favorite jargons,

which is not true, obviously, but they are a little bit. Are we ready? Yes. Okay. Couldn't hit water if you fell off a boat. Can't see a lighthouse through the fog. Can throw a strawberry through a battleship. Okay.

So can't hit water fill out of a boat? That is what patches of Hulahan yells and dodgeball. That is a term that I think people use for other sports more than they do football. I've never heard that for football. I've heard that for like... Like, that's just a phrase, you know? I don't know if that counts or not. Because, like...

Here's my issue. If that's a lie, I would contest it. I would too. I would too. I would contest it. Because I probably wrote that about Josh Allen. I think the strawberry one is real. I think the middle one is fake.

I've heard the strawberry one. I think I also think the middle one's fake. I think I've heard the strawberry one. They've gotten too good, DK. They have too much knowledge. The students have become the master. I know, these fuckers. Go back to being.

just happy go lucky idiots that don't know anything I've never seen Dodgeball. So I didn't know that couldn't hit water if it fell off a boat was like another thing. But I saw a coach tweet that literally like a week ago and I was like this is the most important thing that's ever happened to me. I like those.

Couldn't hit water if you fell off a boat. I love that. So what was the middle one? What did you make up then? Can't see a lighthouse through the fog. Yeah. And then I could throw a strawberry through a battleship is just such a good freaking image

of how strong a guy's arm be. It sounds fake, but I also have you guys, you guys have heard stay in phase before? I thought that one was going to get you. No, but it was, it was quick as a hiccup was the one that tipped me off. I was like, oh, I know. Now that I, now that I, you guys say it, I do remember Ben doing that one. But I read it the other day and I was like, shit, that's a good one.

Can we get to the real reason everyone's here today, which is for two punters and a lie? So when we were doing the Take Purge in our episode this week, we realized that we actually couldn't really name many punters who were currently in the NFL, which I have admit it was an extraordinarily humbling moment. I didn't care. I didn't lose a single instant of sleep. I, well, he saw it was like game three and I was like, obviously I could name three. And I was like, oh my God, can I?

And so anyway, we then asked you all to emails, so Rearfinacy Football at Gmail.com emails two punters and a lie. So these are two real punters who play football. Starting. In the NFL? Are they currently in the NFL? Okay. In the National Football League?

This one's from Pedro. Pedro. Two punters and a lie. Norris Fox, Ryan Winslow. That's unbelievable. Norris Fox, Ryan Winslow,

and Logan Cook. This is hysterical. I've never heard of any of these names. I have no fucking clue. Dude, there's no way there's a punter name Norris Fox. That there's,

I'm bullshit. I think Ryan Winslow is fake. Yeah, so do I. Say the names again, please? the names are. Yeah, we should all pick first and then let Ben go

because Ben might know it. Norris Fox, Ryan Winslow, and Logan Cook. I'm pretty confident I know who it is. Say it. Okay. Do you guys have your picks in? I think Norris Fox is fake. Dek and I picked Ryan Winslow.

I think Ryan Winslow is like this guy's friend. This is Pedro's friend from high school. Norris Fox is fake. Oh, damn it. Thank you so, boom. Am I right? Yes, you are. Hey, let's go, baby.

Norris. Let's keep cruising. Yeah. I have more. Noah sent a shout out Noah Cameron Johnston Brian Morsted Matt Amandola Okay Amandola has to be real because he wouldn't just make that up right

Just throwing in a real guys like Danny Amandola Amindola has to be real Yeah I think it's Brian Morsted Yeah I think Brian Morsted is well there was a Thomas Morsted Does he have like a brother? I think Brian is fake Brian Morsted I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I know for a fact Johnson's real and I'm

fairly certain Amandola is real. So I think it's Johnston. I think Brian Morris is fake because they're going on just trying to get some Thomas. All I know is Amindola has to be real. Yeah.

Morrist is fake. Yeah. Brian Morr says fake. Wow. This guy tried to, Matt Amandola is a place kicker, sir, and he is not just because he had to punt. Doesn't be a trick question.

Trick question. Yeah. Throw it out. So let's do a pallet cleanser here because we got, we got two more. This is great. Dan sent us an email. One, oh, these are all starting punters.

But well, two are real and one's fake. Michael Hunter, Jake Bailey, Sam Martin. All first names. Yeah, that's the first names edition. Michael Hunter, Jake Bailey, Sam Martin. I think Michael Hunter's fake because of the joke, Mike Hunt. Mike Hunt. Craig, we're on the same way.

I'm pretty positive. Hunter's fake. Craig, you got to stop trying to get psychoanalysis that people asking these questions. I can't. Should I note that this email came from someone named, the actual Gmail comes through is it's the milk crate. D.K., what am I supposed to do?

Rely on my NFL draft jargon knowledge? You can't do that. Highfitz, by the way, don't docks this guy's email. I think you just docks them. It's not the email. It's not the email. It's just the name. Milk crate. Oh, okay. Wait, who is fake? Is it Michael Hunter?

Michael Hunter's fake. Nice. Mike can't. Good one. Okay. The second one is ridiculous names edition. These are people who punted at least five times in 2012. How many punters are there that we haven't heard of? Well, these guys punted at least five times.

These names are not real. None of these are real. Lockland Edwards. Oh, my God. Alexander, with a K, Alexander Wonstadt, or Sterling Hoffrickter. Wow. Hoffrickter. Okay.

I want to say Wonstead is real. Say the names again, please. Lockland Edwards. Alexander Wonstet and Sterling Hoffrickter. Two of them had at least five punts last year and one of the same. I think Sterling is fake. I'm not positive sterling is real I think

Alexander Wanstead is this guy's favorite composer what was the first name or something Lockland Edwards I'm leaning toward Lockland Edwards yeah now that you know

I think it's Lockland I think it's Lockland I think it's Lockland All right you're going Lockland I'm going on Alexander's fake Craig what are you doing Well I already chose Sterling in the bed

The answer is Alexander Wonstett is fake Yes. I thought I could sweep. Well, putting in Alexander with a K is a really good touch. Yeah, that's well done. All right, that was incredible. All right, thank.

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Oh, what? Oh, well, I just wanted, if we should give our schedule for next week because it's a bit different. We will be coming to you on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. That is it. We is loose because I am the best man at a wedding that happens to take place during the draft. So I will not be here. You were the first overall pick for that wedding. That's impressive.

I was the first overall pick for the wedding. And now I will not be covering the draft. So that's super chill. I'm engaged. As I don't know if everybody knows, I'm engaged. I'm going to host a live draft. for my groomsmen, I think. My brother wanted to do the groomsmen Olympics.

He wanted, like, the Bachelor Party to have a bunch of Olympic events, and then the winner would be the best band. Two groomsmen and a lie. Invite nine of them. Only six of them are actually going to be in the party. Dude, have one random guy. Have one random guy you don't know

being your groom party. What is it called? Bridal party. No, brideal party. What's the opposite of bridal party? It's still called your bridal party. Groomal party. Okay.

The groom party? I actually don't know. I'm going to start leaking mock drafts of who I think is going to be in it. We have anonymous scouts comment on your friends and like, I don't know. Huge character concerns on Jeff. The real elephant in the room here is it's, none of us are going to be in your fucking party, are they? Who knows? We'll see what the mock say.

Yeah. One of us could be a late-season riser, Danny. So lax the riser. Watch him get an invite to Craig's wedding. Shit. Fucking solac. So hot right now. Two wedding jargons and a lie.

We can keep this going. I think we yeah I'm honestly we're just the future of this podcast is just going to be like two jargons that a lie guessing punters and like debating the like quarterback house we're not doing a fantasy show this year we're just going to do bits that we've accumulated over the past few years uh I'm gonna shit talk Matt Stafford's house that he got from Drake okay uh all right I think that's all we got again we're coming to Wednesday third well not me but Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday and then draft coverage all A lot of that time, not all of it. But like the majority of those days, there will be a lot of draft coverage. NFLdraft.com. Check out DK.'s draft guide. Updated to mock draft next week. All that jazz.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Solek. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to Michael Hunter. Thank you to Lachlan Edwards. Thank you, Alexander Wanstet. Thank you to Pedro, Noah, someone named Dan or milk crater, whatever, for emailing us, the two jargers are to lie. Thank you, Lord.

Lord. Thank you, Wolfgang, Amadais. Mozart. Oh, you went composer. Yeah. Alexander Wanstett inspired you. I googled that and there's nothing came up. I was hoping it would be a composer.

Right. Oh, what a shame. D.K., favorite Amadeus song? I don't know, then by name. The fifth one? Cello Suite number 17. I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm an expert on Mozart.

I wouldn't say that. Do you guys think when like Mozart released new music, people were like, this rips. I'm bad. It's funny that they had to go see it to hear it. I think there's a tweet like that, Craig. You hear the new Mozart? This kind of goes.

Well, it's funny that like the wasn't one of the geniuses of Beethoven. He's like, I'm going to have people sing while the music's playing. Yo, symphony number 40 is like kind of a banger for a wedding dance song. You know? Should we have two jargons and live for like famous classical pianists? Oh, I won't know that. Shout out Chopin. Are we still doing like the pod?

Is this the pod still happening? or did we end it already? That is like, that's like existential right there. Sometimes we go on like this for 45 minutes and we cut it after like six and one day I want to put like 45 minutes of us just talking after the podcast. All right, goodbye.