The Ringer NFL Show - Power Hour: 2025 NFL Mock Draft, Belichick University, Vegas Needs Deion, and HOF Dad Takes

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

POWER HOUR! The guys look ahead to the 2025 NFL draft by going through the first 12 picks of DK’s latest mock (20:32). Plus, Fantasy Court (59:15)! Later, they read some incredible “dad takes” emails (1:05:07). Las Vegas Raiders (10:32) New York Giants (28:20) New England Patriots (31:30) Carolina Panthers (35:15) Jacksonville Jaguars (37:29) Tennessee Titans (40:22) New York Jets (44:33) Cleveland Browns (46:13) Chicago Bears (49:05) Cincinnati Bengals (51:16) New Orleans Saints (53:55) Dallas Cowboys (56:51) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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ready for the McShay show on the ringer, Spotify, and wherever you watch or listen to podcasts. of the ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny, Hi, Finns, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. Today it is power hour where we power rank something every Wednesday. And today we have a special power ranking, which is called a draft, a.kraft, because it is the first mock draft of this season. So in a way, you can say it's the ring NFL draft show, baby. We have D.K. who you finally let out of his draft cave, watching all the tape of these prospects.

And we're going to go in and we're going to do DK's first mock draft of the week, which you released on the ringer.com last week. we're just slightly tweak it because the order is a little updated since then. So can't wait for that. For those who are listening and don't know, we after the season become the ringer NFL draft show. We change the name of the show and everything. So if you hit follow right now,

then you'll keep up with the show without the name change. It's just easier that way. It's the only time we ask you to follow us for anything. It's just hit the follow button because we're going to be the ringer NFL draft show. We cover the whole offseason. It's the whole thing. So we're going to do all that. But first, we have to hit some news.

It's my high holidays because Cadarius Tony was waived by the Cleveland Browns. This is the best day of my entire year. We did that. We are responsible. We waived Cadarius Tony, I think. We were the ones that had him drop the punt and then get a penalty and then muff the punt later. Sorry, he got a penalty after catching a fair catch.

Yeah, I don't think they noticed. I don't think Andrew Barry noticed. We kind of brought it to everyone's attention. He saw it on our timeline, yeah. So sorry about that. This was the best moment of the entire giant season was Cadarius Tony, dropping a punt, getting a taunting penalty down three touchdowns and then getting waived. That was the highlight of the year for the near Giants.

I liked hearing all the alternate realities or the alternate like dimensions of what would have happened if the giants hadn't taken Tony because there was like all these things like they traded back instead of taking Micah Parsons and blah blah blah. There's just so many like sliding door things. Instead you ended up with Cadarious Tony.

So congrats. The whole thing was like a fever dream. Anyway, yeah, DK, where did he rank? You said out of the 240 fantasy football wide receivers this year? 240th. Oh, dead last? Dead last.

Yeah. He had a good day though. Do you think he's going to be on a team? next year. I kind of think maybe not. So I actually was wondering this, Craig, and I was thinking to myself, we had among many things in the off season we said were right and then ignored and didn't think about ever again was, I said in March, I don't want to bet on any teams that don't do the tush push this season because there's something wrong with you if you haven't studied this thing. And then I

haven't talked about it all season. I actually think we should fade any team that signs Cadair is Tony again. Like there's clearly something like there's something wrong. The decision making process. Either the owners or the GM of the coaches are either not up on the news or like don't watch tape or just think that they can do something this is like his fifth team right the Giants suck I get maybe they

Andy Reid and the Chiefs gave up on this guy like to see lost they did okay the Chiefs did okay with him for a year there it's so ironic that he was like a key player in the Super Bowl too it's just so funny because then he lost them several games they got rid of them

I mean obviously this last thing was the final straw I guess the strong He might be the worst player ever to have an extremely positive impact on a Super Bowl win. I know, right? That's actually probably correct. That'd be a fun ranking to make. I was one. Yeah, it's honestly a one-of-one career.

I was thinking about how many first rounders, or just players, yeah, have, like, made two crucial plays to, like, win a Super Bowl. But every other play they made in their career kind of really distracted from their ability to win, every other play they made. Maybe he should go to the Steelers. Look, if there's any team that can kind of have a reclamation project, for these interesting characters, you know, guys you're not sure about. Tomlin can do it. I would actually, I'm already open now to the idea of Cadarious Tony joining the Steelers. Not only that, I think that 31 teams, if he signed, we'd be like, there's nothing going on here.

If Cadarious Tony signed with the, if Cadarious Tony signed with the Steelers, we'd have to be like, oh, God, what if that works? Like, that's the last team left where you're like, oh, my God, what if Tomlin figures him out? That would be the, that would be the version of when offensive coaches sign a quarterback that sucks to prove how the good they are. So, all right, RIP to Cedar, Tony. All right, the other news we have to hit before we get going here. We got to talk about this Belichick thing.

So Bill Belichick is reported to have interest in coaching the University of North Carolina in college football. And my first reaction to this was, I assume, like so many people, no, he's not. He's not doing that. Like, of course, he's just doing this to negotiate.

And then I saw the rumors that he wants his son to maybe be the contractual successor. He had a 400-page binder laying out. He wants the program to follow to take the job. that he's verbally agreed to do it if they meet his 400 pages of demands. D.K., do you take the Belichick coaching UNC things seriously? Sure.

I think so. I don't know. I mean, maybe, like, he looks at it, like, look, I obviously mastered the NFL. Now I want to go in and be one of, like, the four coaches in the world, whoever won a title at the college game and the pro game. Maybe he's looking at it from that point of view. Obviously, you can get a lot of money from these colleges, especially in this era.

And he's like basically, he gave him a 400-page binder, like he said. And so he's like, it could all, like everything could be on his terms. I'm not sure he could get that in the NFL anymore. He might be able to get that in the NFL where everything is on his terms. But I think like the thing that's important to him is having like full control over pretty much everything from every aspect of the organization. I don't know for sure if he can get that in the NFL anymore. Do you think he can get that in the NFL anymore?

anymore? I think that's like the one difference maybe here between college and the pros is like he could get absolute full control from the top to bottom. Part of me thinks this is such a big ask. I'm like, does he actually want to be a head coach? Or is he just making it so difficult to hire him that, you know, he doesn't have to say he wants to retire. Just nobody will hire him. And he can kind of go out on top as this guy who nobody ever brought back inexplicably. And he didn't have to say, actually, I just want to date my 28 year old girlfriend and fucking go to and go on net. Create leverage for all his media jobs. Yeah. I actually, okay, so I love that you brought that up, Craig.

I love that you brought that up because my first thing was this is negotiation tactic. And then I was like, well, if you're going to do that, it's so transparently a negotiation tactic that, like, NFL teams won't even do it. You got to make them take it seriously. And you know what story popped in my head reading this about the binder? Josh McDaniel, when he took the Raiders job a couple years ago, was telling this story about how basically they were like, how have you changed from being the worst coach ever with the Broncos all those years ago and backing out of. of the cults. And he was like, I actually know what I'm doing now. He was like, when I got that Broncos job, because Lynn Kifford was like McVeigh age, he got the job at like 31 years old. And he said, I don't know what I was doing. I crushed the interview because Bill Belichick

took me in his office and hand wrote four pieces of paper front and back of all the questions I should ask the ownership group. And basically the idea that the, you know, at the end of the interview, like, any questions for us, he was like, this was how you get the job. He's like, that you thought this through is how they know they're you guy. And Belichick just handed him the questions. And then he got the job, but he didn't understand the questions. These are like quarterbacks in college these days. You know what I mean?

They're just system coaches. That's what McDaniels was. And so McDaniel told this story. So we know this is true. And Belichick did this. And I was thinking, you think Bill Belichick wrote this fucking 400-page binder? Or I am so sure Nick Saban wrote this fucking binder for like Bill Belichick.

I am sure, like, they're friends still. They're competitive, but they're friends. I feel like this has to be Nick Sabin helping Belich. right. If I actually took another job here, here's what I would require, Belichick copied and pasted that. It's like Machiavelli. It's like the prince, but for college coaches. Yeah, it is. I feel so certain. I know, I have nothing to go off of that, but I'm like, there's no way he wrote this because like just going into the college game. But D.K., I think you nailed it with the control thing, because when I was thinking of this, I was like, I had so

many questions and I'm like, does this mean that Belichick's done with the NFL? Like, he's like, I don't want to do that anymore. And I'm like, no way. I'm like, okay, is Belichick hearing the NFL is done with him? Like, no one wants to hire him. That also feels like a little weird. Right. And then I'm like, so I'm left, but I think what could be the case is what you just said, D.K., which is no one is willing to hire Belichick who's like, what, 71, 72 on his terms, which

are authoritarian. Like, he's the GM and the coach. He gets to decide everything and how much owners will spend, too, which is the unspoken part of this. Most coaches can't, a coordinator can't walk in and tell, you know, Bobcraft, Khan at the Jacksonville, whatever you want to, owner you want to pick. This is how much money you're going to have to spend. And we're not cutting on players,

on nutrition, on money up front. I don't want to hear anything about money in escrow or whatever. Like, you're going to have to pay me this much and also provide this much. And I wonder if he's hearing, maybe it's, I'd rather be a dictator at college than like a lieutenant,

like a three-star general in the NFL. It's like getting an old actor to do a movie or something like that. It's like Robert De Niro, is not going to show up unless you've got $30 million to do it. He gets to golf in the morning and they're going to film in his backyard. And it feels like Belichick's kind of doing that right now where he's like, I'm not coming back unless I can have literally everything I want.

Are you guys a little disappointed by the son thing? Okay. Well, that's actually option D and I actually think quietly maybe the most likely. Like he's just trying to, that's his legacy is getting his son's jobs. I think publicly that's such like a lame move. You know what I mean? To be like, you have to hire my son after me? Well, I wonder if you leaked this.

that because here's the thing. I actually think that this could be option D and this could be the secret motivation. I wonder if what's actually, if Belichick takes the job, I think it's either what we just said about the control or if Belichick takes a college job, I think it could be possible that he is actually more concerned

with his son's coaching futures than his coaching ending and legacy. And that like, you know, his dad was a coach and a scout. And I think that he wants his sons to have coach's job, in the NFL. And an underrated reason, the Patriots fell apart post Tom Brady, is all the good coaches left except his kids and his kids were on staff. And then when Belichick retired, those kids couldn't get jobs elsewhere, which is like kind

of in the NFL, which is an incredible thing for how long Bill Belichick's been around, how many coaches' kids gets jobs with favorite friends and favor trading. It is kind of like the reaping and sewing of like Belichick having no coaching tree that no one would have Steve Belichick work anymore. He had to go to Washington to be the defensive coordinator there. I guess he's doing a little bit. It is so weird seeing Belichick in Washington gear. Oh, my God.

With the tongue? Tongues to hang it out? Nothing is more, like, well, no, I'm talking about Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick wearing Washington gear is like the most surreal weird thing I've ever seen. He's not officially part of the, like, the crew or whatever, but he wears to support his son, I guess. And it was just like, man, this is so bizarre. There's a bunch of pictures circulating the summer of him wearing U-Dub gear. I'm like, ugh.

I don't know. Going back to what I said, I remember reading Bill, I remember. reading Pete Carroll's book. And in his book, he wrote about how he thinks, and this is something that always happens. Win forever, that book? Win forever, yeah. I read that.

Nice. No big deal. Very good. You can get it on Amazon. It is actually a really good book. It's like a... I actually listen to it. Does that count?

Did you have to ask that? Did you read that book, Craig, before, after Pete Carroll asked you what an internet browser is? After, after, after he was like, how do I get to Gmail.com? I was like, I need to read Win forever. Also, he didn't, I mean, he had kind of like a ghostwriter, Yogi Roth kind of wrote it for him more of less. Yeah, what was he going to do?

Right at hand? He doesn't know how to open a white console word. He's not sitting there typing. He doesn't out of open the problem. I could see him with a typewriter hammering away. Just going to like some beach house in Nantucket for the summer or whatever. No, but anyways, in the book he basically wrote about how his career or his, his jobs ended in the NFL, mainly because he felt he didn't have, there was not like a

coherent plan between GM coach and like the scouting team and basically all three levels of program. He felt like he was getting undermined by the GM or the owner. And so basically, like, he was like, I'm not coming back to the NFL unless I have like full control from the top of like everything in the organization. And when he did come to the Seahawks, he was the president of the Seahawks. I just think if you're in the position Belichick is in, if you have all that like history and all that success, you're not going back to a program or a team where you feel like you can't have the power

to do everything you want. So I know I'm reiterating, but basically that's, I think that's really it is like, if he can't get the power from the top down in the NFL, he's going to do it in college instead. That's a really good point. And you know who else that happened to

with a great coach that was undermined by a GM went to college? Jim Harbaugh. That's what happened with the 49ers is he lost a power struggle with Trent Bockey of all people. I know. And then Jim Harbaugh came back. And so, yeah,

It's just really hard to win in the NFL if you don't have harmony in between the owner, GM, coach, scouting department, basically, and then like having a quarterback. Those are like the pillars of any franchise. And you have to have a really strong relationship between all those guys. If anyone's not on the same page, you know, it just doesn't work really work. Why North Carolina? I was wondering this too. I think that because it's, my guess is it's the biggest school.

He has no connection to that school, right? His daughter is a lacrosse coach in either Connecticut or, wait, now we can look this up. Sorry, I'm Googling this. I went to his Wikipedia and I just command F North Carolina. No, no, my daughter's the, I'm wrong. His daughter's the head coach at Holy Cross the Cross. I actually, my guess, and this is a guess,

maybe by the time you're listening, this is all changed. My guess is it's the biggest school with the most donor money that would give 71, two-year-old Bill Belichick everything he wants. And also, I wonder if, again, I kind of, I actually think this move is probably informed by Nick Saban of like, maybe just go dominate the ACC like Dabo Sweeney and Clemson's not I know I can never say his name right whatever Dabo Dabo I switch

it on myself every day he doesn't do the transfer portal and like so you got to beat Clemson you got to beat Miami I'm like okay like basically he doesn't do free agency He doesn't do free agency so I'm like all right you're not going to have to compete there much longer are you like it's going to be ACC you know can Belich out recruit Miami

probably so I wonder if that's part of it and I also wonder if it's just like going I don't know I wonder if they have enough money to be like I make me head of everything, because I don't know if he could pull that at like a real football school because there's like, and sorry, when I say pull that, I mean, get his son to be named successor contractually. Right.

Like, Texas A&M is not doing that for him. Like the big SEC schools are not going to be like, yeah, we'll have Steve Belichick be the head coach in five years. Like, UNC, it's a moonshot to be like, what if UNC football was as big as UNC basketball? Like, that's a big deal because it's going to like these 32 teams and college football are going to matter. Maybe UNC wants to join the last next round of Big Ten schools.

Like, I think that's all part of it, too. So now I sound like I'm Charlie Kelly in front of the board. But like... Hopefully in UNC has some stipulation that requires Belichick to coach for at least four to five years because watch Bill get in coach for a year bail and then Stephen Belichick to have the head coach. There is such a funny, it's such a funny mix of like Hunter Biden and Kendall Roy. I think the whole thing's weird.

Like my interest of thought is like, I think I'm, I think I just like don't want Belichick. I think this is all too much. Like, I'll just take my brable. I, it's funny because if he's just genuinely interested in, like, being a good football coach, then, like, part of me is part of, I go back and forth every day of whether he should be on the Giants and whether the Giants should clean house and just give him everything. And I'm like, what's the worst case that happens?

They're bad. Like, oh, God, I'm used to that. Like, the ceiling's higher than anyone else. Like, you have nowhere to go but up for you guys. That's kind of where I'm at. Like, the worst thing with Belichick is like, if it goes poorly, you just flush in two years and it's gone. Yeah, if you're the Giants, fuck it. So I think by the way, he would be the oldest coach in NFL history, I believe, come next season.

If he got hired, he would be 73 years old at the start of next season. And that would make him the oldest head coach ever in the NFL. Maybe next week we could do another big coaching breakdown because it's going to be a pretty crazy coaching carousel. We got like Belichick, Pete Carroll. I mean, Mike Vrable, who I actually think what the try actually do is hire Mike Vrable. I think Mike Vrable is the best coach out there because he's 25 years younger. But we can talk about that more next week. And this is a good preamble to the mock draft because the, the,

caveat that we have to say is like some of these teams, like a few of these teams probably are going to have completely different staffs, maybe different GMs and, you know, basically entirely new programs or whatever regimes come in. And like, so we have to kind of keep that in mind when we're talking about like the Jets or the Jags

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We don't know what orders the draft's going to be in right now. Like the order of the draft, it changes more than you. If you're not looking at it every week, it changes a lot more than you think every week. Like the Raiders right now, it's all coin flip tiebreaker right now. It doesn't matter. But the Raiders have the first or second pick. If they had one last week, they'd have like the seventh pick. Like it really can change a lot.

So like, you know, for right now we want to look through. Also, we're doing the top 13. We're not going to go all the way through 32. So we can spend a little bit more time in basically the top 13. picks. And we're going to do this power hour style, so every two minutes, you'll hear this sound. Yeah, we'll just go through it. And also just caveat right off the top.

It's unclear whether the Raiders are giants at the first pick right now. I know. I tried to look this up. Apparently the Raiders have the top pick or the top waiver order. Is that correct? Is that what the people? I think the giants have the top waiver. The truth is it doesn't matter because it's based on like strength of scheduled tiebreakers in week

15. They have the same record. So like it doesn't matter. Like it's going to be totally changed. So right now, we can just go with the Raiders having the first pick. Sure. It just want, the Giants need to lose all their games, and they can get the first pick. It'll be fine.

Got it. But we'll start right now, Raiders having the top pick in the draft. D.K. Mm-hmm. Who did you give the Raiders with the number one pick in next year's draft? Start the timer. Start the timer. I went with Shitter Sanders for Colorado.

I don't, and I don't feel really strongly about that. I think the top two quarterbacks right now as we're going into, it's, the beginning of December are Shadurr Sanders and Cam Ward from Miami. Those feel like the consensus top two guys. I think there are some chances that Jalen Milro from Alabama will make a push as we get through this NFL draft process. A couple other guys are really interesting. But right now those two guys look like the top.

I went with Sanders just because, I don't know, the Raiders feel like a team that's going to make a splash with like the big name, the big flashy guy. Cam Ward is not that relative to Sanders. Sanders brings the whole entourage and excitement that we've seen. Perhaps his father? Yeah, maybe Dion, you know, I don't know, like, if they have enough money to hire him or whatever, but I just went with kind of like, I think like this is as much of a, let's sell tickets and get exciting and get fans into it.

It's very raiders-y. Well, I think they're close. I think Cam Ward and Shudor Sanders are close. It's not like one's clearly better than the other, I don't think. But Shador to Vegas to me makes so much more sense. It just feels right. And I don't know why. And I don't want to necessarily be derogatory towards Chador

because he might be awesome or anything like that. But it just feels like the Raiders have always been, like whenever I say something feels raidersy in my mind, I'm always like, I think it's just because the Raiders are like, flash first substance later. Like we're going to. And I'm not to say that Chador doesn't have substance, but just bringing in Dion's kid and maybe Dionne and that whole thing,

it just feels right. And then it's like if he's good second, that's just a bonus. There's a reason that like when you think of Dion Sanders where he could go as a coach, it's like you think of Dallas or the Raiders. It's like those are the, it's hard. There's a reason. You're like, oh, who cares more about image than winning?

And I think Shadur is maybe the most complicated player we've ever covered for a lot of reasons. And we can get into the prospect stuff in a minute. I think he's the number one quarterback. I think some of the criticisms are overrated. I also think before we can get to him as a prospect, I mean, we're going to have to disrespect Tom, Tom. I'm sorry.

Oh, already. Come on. We have to. It's the first big of the. draft. We have to start with the Dion thing. I mean, Adam Schifter's already talked about how they might be a package deal coach quarterback. And I want to hit that up first

just because the timing of it's off. If the Raiders... And Todo Pierce, watch your back. Oh, Antonio Pierce is toast. If they end up drafting Shadur, yeah. I think there's totally a chance the Raiders just hired Dion Sanders as the coach, and then Shadur just comes. Sorry, Tom, Tom. We got to do it. We'll keep it rolling. Tom Tomt understands.

Tom Tom gets it. And I think there's totally a chance the Raiders just hired Dion Sanders straight up. And then Shadir. I mean, I think the other thing, we'll get to that over the next few months of like, or I guess next few weeks whether Dion would take a job. I think the thing, though, is let's say that doesn't happen. He doesn't get hired this cycle. Do you, like, I think about this with the Giants and Shudor Sanders.

I think Shudor Sanders is better than Kim Ward at Miami. Do I want the Giants to live in Dion Sanders's shadow? Because he is going to be, imagine if Arch Manning was also Eli Manning's coach and also was Dionne Sanders. because let's say the Giants keep Brian Dable or hire Mike Vrable. If Shitter's Starrs struggles, do I want Deon Sanders, like, commenting on this or whatever? Like the idea of like headlines of will Dion coach, will Dion take over? Like it's going to be the circus the whole time.

It's like the LeVar Ball situation except all these people are actually good and, you know, but it's, it's similar. It's in the same category. Dionne Sanders is the Michael Jordan of LeVar Balls. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that's a better way. And it's like, do you want that situation with your team? team. And I feel like the answer is, there are other ways to win. There's a thousand ways to skin a cat. And like, I think more and more that a lot more options can be considered if you have a

different view. And I'm like, is should or Sanders good? Frankly, I think the question is, is should or Sanders going to be good enough to justify? That's the, that is the big question. I think that's the big question of this draft. D.K., do you think he, like, you know, if you look at the past few drafts, is he one of the better quarterbacks we've seen in the last few years or not really? for me at this point in time I would say no he's not up there in that elite tier so hyphitz you talking about the giants and Bill Belichick and saying like look

we can only go up like might as well just give it a shot if it doesn't work out we're still bad I kind of feel that way with the Raiders right it's like dude go get the on and Shador it'll be fun if it works it'd be so cool if it works it'll be so cool Vegas like the offseason

everybody will be talking themselves into it everyone's going to be getting merch it's like it'll be this whole fucking machine around like the Las Vegas Sanders and it would be fun and if it flames out in three years at least you gave it a shot

Can we actually kind of agree I'm actually I think with you strangely like Just do it You're the same division as the Chiefs The other thing I think that's interesting about this and this is I think more just like message board Reddit stuff

but whatever like it's rumored out there that Shadr wants to play for Vegas and there's this thing where he said he tweets thank you God like every, I think that's what it is or whatever. It's like some, thanking God every Sunday at a specific time. And people were like cross-referencing when he was doing it. It was every time the Raiders lost, I think.

Am I getting this right? It's weird because it's like the Raiders lose enough. It could just be going to church. I think it was debunked because the Raiders want and he still tweeted it. He knows people are onto him so he's trying to be mysterious. I actually think that happened too. It's weird because the Giants also lost in a similar schedule. He's like, damn it.

They figured out what I'm doing. But it's not a conspiracy in that like they'll, that they'll maybe, it's not just a tweet, though. Dion Sanders literally said last year about Caleb Williams. Dion Sanders,

like he was, Deon Sanders has asked about Caleb's dad comment thing about do you want to be the first pick. Deon Sanders literally said, I'm not just going to let Shedur go wherever.

Like, I'm going to make sure it goes to a good team. Yeah. Let's be clear. Deon Sanders will do it, will do the Archie Manning. And for those, we have Zoom or Kai,

people probably don't even remember this. Archie Manning literally, I mean, I barely remember this. But yeah. Yeah, to refresh people's memory. Archie Manning, the father of Euline Payton, one with Peyton,

Peyton was going to get drafted by the Jets as a junior. He was Peyton Manning. Jets had the first pick. Peyton Manning went back to school because Archie Manning was like, you're not going to the Jets. So Peyton Manning, that's why he played a senior of Tennessee. Then Eli Manning

the Chargers had the first pick in 2004. Archie Manning was like, you're not going to the giant? Sorry, you're not going to the Chargers. They're a loser organization. And Archie Manning played for the Saints. It was like this legendary, like bad team and Archie Manning was amazing.

And so Eli Manning was amazing. So Eli Manning literally was drafted by the Chargers. And on draft day, on television, he's like, we won't be playing for them. This is not going to happen. So I'm sorry, no disrespect to like the Chargers, but like I won't be going there. And the Giants had to send three first-run picks to get him and swap Rivers and Eli Manning. Dionne Sanders is going to do that.

He said he'll do it privately and won't embarrass anyone. But like, if you go through the teams, I mean, the Panthers don't need a quarterback anymore, but like the Patriots don't either. But like, is Dionne Sanders sending him to the Browns? no way. Like the Jags don't need one. The Saints? Probably no way.

Like if you're Dion, you want Shudder to go to the Raiders, the Giants, and then what? The Jets or the Titans? Like, I don't know. I'm biased. It's interesting.

It is very interesting. Why would you want him to go to the Jets? I don't know. That's kind of my thing. Am I biased in saying, is this like, New York is the thing? Yeah.

Where I'm like, Dion would rather Shudur go to the Giants than the Jets. Am I biased in saying that? No, I don't think so. No, the Jets, no, the Jets are like, The definition of the loser

Loser organization. It's Garrett Wilson said. It's in the jeans. Like it's tough. So anyway, this is the biggest story of the draft is what Deon Sanders does. So we can keep rolling here, but I think we all agree,

Shadurda the Raiders. And yeah, fuck it. It'll be fun if the Raiders hire Deon Sanders. That'll be cool. You've already been bad for 20 years. Like, what's three more cool ones? All right, Tom, Tom. Yeah, sorry, Tom, Tom, Tom.

D.K., who are you giving the Giants with number two pick? Cam Ward, quarterback out of Miami, via Washington State, an incarnate word. I kind of like Cam Ward. I'm kind of into Cam Ward, honestly. If I had to choose...

Is he a five for Cam in college football? What's that? He's a five-year starter. We like that these days. I'm starting to buy that that's a little more important than it. Sure. Then I think maybe I used to put less stock into that now. I feel like I'm putting more stock into it.

Just because the reps, man, the rep, getting live fire reps as a starter, like where you have the defense running at you. I think all that stuff is important. He started five years. He's played in multiple different types of systems for multiple different coaches. I think he, from what I've heard, is like a character guy, like, people love him. He's really, like, solid from that point of view. I think the same has been said about Shudur.

And I don't know, he's just a dynamic player. You know what I mean? Like, he can run around a little bit. He's got a good arm. He's really calm and poised in the pocket when pressure's coming around him. He is kind of just prone. He reminds me a little bit. I think Jordan Love was the guy that came to mind.

Like, he'll make like a, like a, like a, what are you doing type of throw every once in a while, like across his body, across the field. But like, I think you could live with that as long as you have, like, put them in the right system and the right team. So I don't know. I like him a lot, actually. I think, you know, if I was going to make my rankings right now, I put Cam Ward probably as my number one quarterback.

Big boy, too. Big guy, 2, 225. Big thick guy. Like a rugged frame. Yeah. Sure. High Vince, you for sure locked in. You for sure locked in.

You want them to take a quarterback rather than sign like San Donald? I don't think Sam, I don't think it makes sense to sign San Donald because the whole reason I like Sam Donald going to Minnesota. It was like the Vikings are really talented and Kevin O'Connell's a really good coach and I think that would make sense there. My fear with this quarterback class is that the quarterbacks aren't good enough

to succeed in the New York Giants bad offensive environment, but also passing on a quarterback here, even if it's a quote, quote, bad class, again, if Cam Ward is good somewhere else, I'll walk into the sea. You know what I mean? And so basically where I'm at right now,

I'll be thrilled. Just always think of the cow. You know the picture of the cow walking into the sea? I was just picture. I'm like, if it's a one in three chance camera it's good, I think you have to take the, you have to roll the dice. I said this last year,

Hyphitz, and I want to believe it again. I want to be more open-minded about quarterbacks. I think the further we get into draft season, we talk ourselves in and out of flares, just because the nature of the beast is we talk about these guys adenosium

for like four or five months straight. And then we like turn our, like we convince ourselves one thing or the other. I just want to have a little bit more open. mind that like, you know, structure matters and surrounding sporting cats matter so much with these guys. So I don't want to, you know, I don't want to like start the draft season off of being like, oh, this quarterback class sucks. I agree. I totally agree. And also where I come to, I'm a little worried, but also they have left tackle and Andrew Thomas and they have a receiver in the league

neighbors. That's a good start for a rookie quarterback and you can build out the rest. So I think, yes, they could quarterback even if there are other good players to start here. So next up, New England Patriots would pick third again for the second year in a row. D.K., who do you give the Patriots? this is tough because they obviously need offensive line. I think that's a big, big need for them. But it's hard to pass up Travis Hunter, who is probably the best player in this class.

And when like the interesting and most interesting thing about him is like what position is he actually going to be in the NFL? Because he's a receiver and a corner. And he's probably the best, he's one of the best corners and best receivers in this class. Like having that combination is incredible. And so just pure football player. He's the best player in this class, I think.

you know, as a receiver body type, I was watching him today again, just to refresh. And he actually moves and has the same body type as like Justin Jefferson. I don't think, I'm not saying he's going to be Justin Jefferson as a receiver, but like stylistically, they're kind of like Gumby body type, like really good body control, the way they move, the way they attack the football and come down with the football and traffic. Like it's a miracle. I think there's some elements there.

Again, this is a very, very high level comp. I'm not saying he's going to be Justin Jefferson as a receiver. but I think just body type in the way he moves, reminding me of him. And then as a corner, same deal. Like great instincts, drives on the football, Bates, quarterbacks, good ball skills, like really good balls skills, obviously,

because he's a receiver as well. Just such a unique, interesting player. Played like an insane amount of snaps. He's just like playing. He's playing every snap of every game. Like, it's wild. You don't see this. He doesn't come off the field.

Yeah. And so I don't know what he's going to be in the NFL. I think it wholly depends on where he goes. what he wants to do and how strongly he like pushes to do both sides. I think in a perfect world, like you play him at corner and then have him play some offense or something like that. You know what I mean? I don't know if he can play a full-time role on both sides of the ball. I think most people are saying that's probably not possible. But the Patriots need, they don't need a corner, but I think it'd be really fun to match him up with Gonzalez. And then on offense, they obviously need playmakers. So,

I don't know, this one made a lot of sense to me. I think Travis Hunter is the most interesting college prospect we've had and I don't know how long. I think we could do an entire episode on Travis Hunter. Maybe we should. Because obviously Tom Tom is not allowing us to really get into it. But I have a lot of complicated thoughts

about him as a college player and a pro player and what I think. Austin just texted and I think this is such an interesting point. It's like the funny thing about Dion having his kid in this draft is that Travis Hunter is like Dion. Like a hundred percent is more Dion than Shudur. Shudur is just kind of a funny thing.

Shadur is none of Dion's athleticism. Travis Hunter is, like, if you had a guess which one of these is Theon's son, you would absolutely say Travis Hunter. Right. Paternity test? Yeah, yeah, maybe we'll figure it out. Yeah, I, I, Travis Hunter's my favorite player we've ever covered.

It's going to be so fun to see where he goes and how that develops and what they decide to do with him. He's, yeah, he's a fascinating player. Yeah, we're going to talk about him a lot, but yeah, we can get to, we'll talk at the end of this mock about Heisman. We'll get next pick here. The number four pick, D.K., who are you giving?

the Carolina Panthers with the number four pick? I think this is obviously like an assumption that they're going to stick with Bryce Young. I think that makes a lot of sense for them. Like, why would they, they're having such good vibes now. He's playing so much better. It does look like he's going to be the long-term answer at the quarterback position. So I think the smart thing to do is get him a good supporting cast because obviously they had to give up DJ more to get the draft pick that ended up picking Bryce Young. And so I went with Tim McMillard.

Are you back on that trade, by the way? That trade is back. In five years, it will be interesting to see how this trade is, how this trade is like that. Bryce Young wins a playoff game before Caleb Williams. What people are my God. Also, Tyreeks Stevenson was the guy they picked as part of that trade. And that's obviously like not aging super well. The guy that's the guy that like, yeah, the guy who's yelling at the crowd as they did the Hailberry. Like obviously, you know, that's one play, but I don't know.

Anyways, I went with, uh, Tatorora. So, wait, sorry. Just say Teta Roya. Teta Rua. It's Teteroa, McHillera. He goes by T-MAC. We can call him T-MAC out of University of Arizona. Yeah, T-Mack.

He's so good, man. He's big. He's like 6-5, great body control, really tough over the middle. My first thought was he reminded me a little bit of like a thinner Puka Nakuwa. Like he just goes over the middle of field, running after the catch, like tough as nails. I don't know. I'm still coming up with all my comps. I'm still, you know, doing the scattering reports for all these guys.

But that was like the guy who came to my mind. Dude. T-Mack is T-T, whatever we're calling. him. He is number one in my, I've seen all I need to see rankings in this. Yeah, yeah. I love this guy so much. I would easily rather have him over Travis Hunter. He looks like fucking turbo Nico Collins or like Jamar Chase in Nico Collins' body. I'm, I watched, there's a compilation on YouTube of every catch she's made and I watched the whole thing or every catch he's made from this season. I think he is like as can't miss as it gets and I'm willing to put like my mortgage on this guy. He's sick.

He's unbelievable. I will put my house on 10. Bring your house that he's good. And I think the, it makes, I like this pick for the Panthers. Two, D-K. I'll just say this. We can move on. Panthers next year have three receivers under contract. Adam Thielen, who will be 35.

Xavier Legat, the first rounder last year who cannot catch. He's a number two. I'm sorry, he's the number two. He can't be their number one. And Jalen Coaker, who's an undrafted guy to Holy Cross. He's playing well. But they have three receivers and ones that I'm feeling. So yeah, this makes a ton of sense for Carolina.

And you need to balance out Bryce Young with Ted McMillan, the height-wide. It works. Yeah. It's the whole, it's the, it's the Cardinals thing. the biggest running back you can find and get the biggest tight end you can find and the biggest receiver you can find. And it all averages out.

Jacksonville, Jaguar. So again, just to recap here, Sadiqa, we got the Raiders taking Sheter Sanders and hiring Dionne Sanders, maybe. Giants taking Cam Ward and Miami quarterback. I feel like that works, yeah. Again, well, no in three weeks, like if they hired Deon or, I guess a month,

if they hired Deon or not. Page, you have the Giants taking Cam Ward. You have the Patriots taking Travis Hunter, receiver cornerback. Panthers taking T-Mack. out of Arizona. Jags number fifth pick, number five,

fifth, whatever. DK, who are you giving the Jags at five? I'm going with offensive lineman, Will Campbell from LSU. This one was kind of tough because, again,

and I mentioned this in the prelude. Basically, we don't know who the coach is going to be. Like, I'm assuming that Doug Peterson is not going to be retained, though I can't be sure about that.

I think him and the GM, Trent Ballroom. Don't know what Trent Balke. Balkey is like a freaking cockroach. He just survives everything for some reason. I don't understand. He's the guy

that won the power struggle. with one of the best coaches in the NFL and Jim Harbaugh. And then, you know, there was like this report recently that, and I don't know for sure if there's anything to this, but there was a report that if they hire Bill Belichick, Balkie would somehow be retained to work with Belichick. I'm like, give me a break. What does this guy have like compromising like information on everybody in the NFL or something? How is he keep getting a job?

But anyway. Like that lieutenant, you guys see the wire? He's like the J, the homicide lieutenant in the wire who just never gets fired. Yeah, it's like he's got, I don't know, there's something going on there. But anyways, we don't know who's going to be. That was a long way of saying, we don't know who's going to be the coach or the GM for the Jags. So I just kind of went with like best player available or slash valuable position, offensive line.

I think he's the best offense alignment in this class. He can play like multiple positions, I believe. He's mainly played tackle, but I think he could play on the inside if they needed him there. Kind of like a Skoronski style where it's like you can put him at multiple positions and I think he would be a, he would thrive. So can I ask you a question about Will Campbell? Yeah. Last year, Chargers took Joe Alt out of Notre Dame 5th. The Titans took J.C. Latham out of Alabama with the seventh pick.

And then also the Saints took Fuwaga. And then the Bengals took Amarius from his 18th. Where would you rank if Will Campbell was in last year's draft? Where would he be among those guys? I think right now I would probably put him at number three. I think probably all in Latham slightly ahead. But I think he's up there in terms of like potential. he's like a really smooth mover

I think there's concerns they're already talking about the length of his arms which we hear every year I don't know like if it I just want to know what it does matter it does matter unless it doesn't you know what I mean? It's not the size it's how you use it

right right so I don't know he's a really good offensive linemen and I think you know put him at like whatever position works best with what you got in that in that room and like having an offensive line again like we cannot I don't like the idea of like

oh they already have two tackles It's like, well, can you have a better tackle? You know what I mean? Trevor Lawrence is getting the shit kicked out of them all the time. Exactly. And they need a better run game. They need a better run game. You already have your receivers.

Like build an offensive line. Yeah. That's my thinking of it. You know, it's fine. Yeah, we'll have all offices to talk about this. But I keep thinking the way the line's built the line and like how it's the essence of football. And I keep thinking everybody, they're like, oh, this tackle could be a guard. And I don't know why the teams don't just draft fucking tackles every year if you have a quarterback to stick in the guard.

And then there's so many teams that want to tackle. Just draft the tackles. I honestly, I genuinely wonder how. much of it is just like it's boring to do that and teams get kind of fancy. And they're just like, we want somebody flashy and cool. It's like, no, you should probably just take six tackles over the course of three years and you'll be good. They're like, they do not grow on trees.

It's very hard to find big men that can move this way. That's like the whole thing. You can find receivers in the second round. I think that makes sense. Number six, Tennessee Titans, who you give him the Titans, D.K? I went with Edge, Abdul Carter from Penn State. Where's number 11? So you get like visions of like a Micah Parsons-type guy.

he plays from off the ball too. So he's like very versatile. Just Michael Parson's cosplay. Right. I mean, obviously, like, he has the explosiveness. He's an awesome athlete. Yeah, I don't know. To me, it's just like, this is probably the best edge rusher in this class.

Most explosive traits, highest upside. You know, the Titans have needs at multiple spots. But like, there's just nothing. It's the same way I feel about, like, getting a tackle. It's like you cannot have too many good. This is the offensive. If the Jags having like, oh, you have two great offensive linemen, it's like to get a third. This is the Titans because if the Titans had Harold Landry and Abdul Carter on the edges and you had Jeff Simmons and Devonjah Sweat at Defensive Tackling.

That'd be a crazy four-guy line. But then Carter, I was a little skeptical of him coming into the season. I was kind of like how much of this is because he's great and how much of his because he wears 11 and then wears the pads curling up at his abs and looks cooler. He has all like what Ben Solac would say, like the sexual past traits that Solek always lists that I. can't help but laugh at, where he's like, the get off, penetration, Ben, finish. Like, he could do all that, like, against the best teams in the country.

I feel like the Titans are in a weird spot where, okay, you take a nice rusher, you got an alignment last year, but it's still like, none of this matters until you get a quarterback in Levis. It's like, in the seventh, or the sixth pick this year is, it's probably too high to take another quarterback

that's not Cam Ward or should do. So I guess you just, you just bolster the defensive line a little bit more and then, you know, are you who you're trading for? The Titans are in a really weird spot, I feel like where they need a quarterback that they probably can't take one here.

It's like, are they a trade-down candidate? DK, how much better are the quarterbacks from this point on than like Will Levis was as a prospect? Yeah, like, are we in Kenny Pickett territory already? That's a good question. I think, like, look, it's going to be a whole process. By that, I mean, like, Hall of Fame.

I think, number one, we still need to see who declares versus who ends up going back and trying to. It's harder to know, I think, now than it has been in the past because, like, there's so much NIL money. And, like, it just behooves guys, I think, to stay in school a year longer because we've seen guys, you know, instead of having, like, a mid first round grade or whatever, they're like, like, Cam Ward, like, last year. He was on my radar last year. People thought he might come out. He waited until the last second and then decided not to.

He was going to be, like, maybe a late first second rounder. Now we're talking about him in the top two, potentially. I don't know if they'll end up there. But, like, Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU started hot, kind of cooled off. Some of the worries, you know, started to crop up. And now people are talking about how he could just really benefit from going back for another year. But if he came out, like, I could see myself talking myself into him really early. It's the same question with his next team as the New York Jets.

It's like, would you give them a quarterback right here? They have the seventh pick. And then like the other guy, I think that people have been talking about as a potential first round, early top 10 first rounder is like Jailette Milrow, who is close enough stylistically to Will Levis that I don't know if the Titans are wanting to do that. you know what I mean? Like he's basically a, he throws deep really well. He's got a beautiful deep ball. He attacks down the field really well.

And he's a really great runner. But there's like rough, he needs to smooth out the rough edges kind of deal. Chaotic player. Yeah. And so like he's close enough like stylistically to Will Levis that I don't know if the Titans are really going to want to sign on for that. So yeah, it's kind of a complicated thing. And I think also like Craig, you laid it out perfectly.

They're just in a weird spot here. So that's why that was my thinking of just taking edge, you know, and be happy that you have a dynamic player on defense. Who did you give the Jets at number 70K? Same story, basically. I went with Michael Williams, Macal Williams from Georgia. We'll have to check the pronunciation on that one. I'm not great at these, but he...

I'm the pronunciation expert. Yeah, yeah, hyphets. What is it? Mayestro Williams? I was joking. I'll find out. I think it's Michel. Blazer. Laser.

But basically the jets are in that position where, again, don't know who the coach is going to be, don't know who the GM's going to be, don't know what their needs are going to be. We don't know if Rogers are going to be back, if they're even going to want Rogers. So there's just a lot of question marks. I went with the high upside,

Tradesy, former five-star edge rusher from Georgia for basically, this is, you know, not to like, you know, not to say, call it a placeholder, but like basically we don't know enough about the jets to know what, which direction they're going to go. So I just gave them a super trait-y, high-upside pass rusher.

With the Joey Porter Jr. Arms, those things go down to his knees. Dude, he is, yeah, he is, like built to rush the passer. He's one of those guys that's kind of like the Javon Walker thing, where it's like the production isn't necessarily like a top 10 pick, but you project him forward with his traits and with his with his frame. He's been playing on a bum ankle all season. So, like, that's a variable here. But I think, you know, I think people are going to be really high on him just because

he's big, really long, really strong, plays the run, and has like an immense upside as a pass rusher as well. Also, you said Javan Walker, I mean Jalen Walker, right? Javon Walker was the receiver for forever from your youth. Yes. Sorry, the guy that the Jags took. But, okay, so you know what? Give Tom Tom some time back.

Oh, wow. The Jets. Who cares? We talked about them enough this year. Brown's at number eight. Who are you giving the Browns, D.K.? Mason Graham, defensive tackle from Michigan. Love this player.

He's so fun. He's just a ball of energy. The way Craig said that, like, McMillan from Arizona is, like, if I had to pick a player, my guy that I'm like, this person is good, it's Mason Graham. Yeah. I meant, I said, I, yeah, sorry, to go back one second. It's Trevon Walker. I said Javan.

But anyway, the, yeah, Mason Graham, dude, he's just like super, super explosive, super high energy, constantly disrupting, big, like, rugged frame, you know, just like he can play all along the line. this is a meat and potatoes pick for for the Browns whose defense I think still has the potential to be really good but just kind of hasn't been quite itself this season pairing him pairing Mason Graham with with Miles Garrow would be super fun obviously they have a lot of talent on that defense and again I don't know what to do with the Browns because like is Deshawn Watson going to

be their quarterback next year or is it going to be James or they're going to try to go to like DTR or whatever like I don't really know exactly where they're going with this because I think this is the right they're in cap hell I think this is the right pick for the Browns. If anything, I think he could go higher. But if the Browns are there, I think they would absolutely take Mason Graham. I mean, just Mason Graham,

I mean, he's the perfect player to pair with Miles Garrett. Like, this reminds me of actually, maybe this is Sacrilege. Well, no, it's going to pits off everyone. But it's kind of like the Cleveland version of Cam Hayward and T.J. Watt, like, this would be Miles Garrett getting his Cam Hayward. And I'm not saying this stylistically,

they're exactly the same. But, like, that's the vibe. It would be pretty crazy for Miles Garrett and Mason Graham to play together. This whole story. is so weird. Titans at six, then you go Jets at seven and the Browns at eight. This is like Amen Corner for just like quarterback purgatory. All of these teams are in such a weird spot where it's like, yeah, I don't know, I guess it's just like take a defensive tackle or something, but the quarterback situation's a disaster. Everyone talks about Sisyphus, the guy who had to roll the rock

up the hill forever. But the other guy was the guy that no one talks about is the guy at waste deep water that is dying of thirst. And every time he brings the cup to his mouth, the water goes away and falls through his hands. Like that's these quarterbacks. They all need quarter. They're dying of thirst. can get one. Craig, to your point, though, like, my early impression of this class is it's just going to be kind of a meat and potatoes class. Like, you're taking, you're taking defensive linemen, pass rushers, corners, or, you know what I mean?

Like, it's not, there's just like the sexiness factor isn't as much there. There's, I think, one really good receiver, some other receivers that are exciting, but I'm not quite sure on yet. The running backs are really good. Yeah. They're not going to go super high, but like. Tight ends, yeah. I'm excited for all these teams to talk themselves into quarterbacks.

And for us to have that like, is Will Levis going to go second overall? I'm excited for a lot of those conversations this year. Bears are at number nine. This is got an offensive lineman, right? This is not a fucking offensive lineman. Yeah. This was like my like insert,

best offensive lineman left on the board probably. And I think it's Calvin Banks Jr. from Texas. I still have a lot of like guys to go through. You know, there's, there's definitely some other guys in this class that could rise because of like their physical traits. but there's a couple different offensive linemen who are like coming off injury. So I don't really know exactly who I'm going to end up having ranked highest at tackle.

But Kevin Banks, big, massive guy, former five star, started a lot of games that left tackle, you know, against tough competition. So I think I'm just slotting him in here. I think there's some people that believe the tackle class isn't very good and like these guys will fall. But every year, it seems like even if you're not very good, you get pushed up the board. Like people were not talking about like Tiles Fulaga in the top 10 or top 12. at this time last year. He definitely rose through the process. I think we'll see the same for a lot of these guys.

On that note, Dika, do you think the bears, I mean, they're the first pick with Caleb Williams they had, and then they took O'Dunzei with the ninth pick, a receiver. Yeah. Do you think in retrospect they should have taken a left tackle, like Olufashano to Penn State? Oh, it's tough. It's the whole question of like the Jamar Chase question,

where it was like, you know, the meme where it was either Penny Sue or Jamar Chase, and there was like the memes, like, Who is going to be throwing? Like, are you, can you throw deep to Jamar Chase if you're not protected or whatever? It's like, it's that question, the chicken or the egg. It always happens. I don't know. I don't know.

I mean, like, probably in retrospect, do you take the tackle? Yeah, the bears already had J.C. laid them. I mean, sorry, the bears already had DJ Moore. And you've Keenan Allen. And it's like, you've DeAndres kept to Col come at. You would probably have enough of a supporting cast. You probably want to start from within and build. But don't the bears like their biggest need, I think is interior offensive line?

They have a handful of tackles that are like promising. I don't know. They have Darnold right tackle. They have Braxton Jones. It left tackle who's like a fifth rounder who's like, Oph Performed to be average enough. And it's kind of like, is that good enough?

You know what I mean? They also have Kevin Jenkins from a couple years ago. He's a failed tackle. They had to move to guard. He has back issues. Like, I don't know. I don't know. If they don't take an offensive line,

it's malpractice. Yeah. No, they just, yeah, they should just auto draft. And then speaking of malpractice, the next team here, if they don't take a certain position. The Cincinnati Bengals

I mean, you just gave them a defender right. Yep. Edge, Jalen Walker from Georgia. You should have just given them Ashton Jonti. Fuck it. Yeah, that'd be so, yeah, fuck it. Dude, I have to just note, the Bengals. The all-offense team.

Sinty Higgins. We will win 50 to 45 every week. Just to remind people, the Bengals have set, like, two weeks ago, the Bengals set the record for an NFL season for game scoring 33. points in losing. Like they did that two weeks ago.

And then someone tweeted this yesterday, and I thought it was perfect, that the Bengals feel like their offense is the Harlem Globetrotters and their defense are the Washington generals, which I thought was perfect. Yeah. They can never win, generals. So Walker and Trey Hendrickson, who leads the league in Sachs. I mean, yeah, I mean, they should probably get another fucking defensive line. That makes a ton of sense.

Yeah. Jail Walker, in my first mock, I put him to the Seahawks. and that was at like 20 and the more I think about it, I'm like, there's no way he's making it that far down the line. He's just, he's a super versatile guy

who plays off ball linebacker who also rushes the passer. He's super tough, physical, super explosive. Just like when you see him hit guys, when you see him close on either running backs or the quarterback, it's like his closing speed is insane.

I just really like this player. And obviously the Bengals, like you said, they just desperately need more guys on defense. I really like this. Dude, the Bengals are in a tough spot right now because Jamar Chase is having,

I mean, Jamar Chase, we haven't talked about this enough. He's in line to win the Triple Crown. Like, he leads the League in yards and catches and touchdowns. He wins the Triple Crown.

All he wanted last, I mean, he wanted to be the highest paid receiver in the NFL last year more than Justin Jefferson. Now it's like, that's, he's going to way do more than Justin Jefferson.

And now Burrow is saying press conferences he wants T. Higgins back. So, I mean, they really are going to, I mean, if they bring T. back and he teagans is easily the best free agent available. So the Bengals are going to have to shell out to keep those guys and they'll have to draft defense

the rest of time. I thought it was interesting how Burrow and a lot of the reporters were sort of treating it as this where they said Burrow kind of like dropped a bombshell that they were going that they, he seemed to like be insinuating. He's like we're resigning. He didn't mean. I don't think he meant like I talked to the Bengals who were doing it. I think he meant I am going to throw my weight around.

I'm going to make this happen. Yeah. I would love to say. Man, this is like one of my preseason. our offseason priorities is like, please God, Bengals, re-signed T. Higgins. It's just a perfect thing for them.

It's better for Chase too. It's better for everyone. Yeah, yeah. Saints are picking at 11. Who'd you give the Saints D.K.? I went with cornerback, Will Johnson from Michigan. We could see corners go a little higher than this.

Obviously, like in the past couple of years, corners have gone pretty high. Yeah, like Derek Stingley was like a top three pick. Do you think this is the one that surprises me the most? I feel like Will Johnson is kind of famous. Is that just because he's from Michigan? I feel like I've heard Will Johnson's name a lot. That's just because it's a really generic name.

Yeah. Maybe he's a different guy. Yeah, maybe your insurance salesman, Will Johnson? Yeah, there was four different Will Johnson's I've been hearing about. Grover Cleveland's vice president was Will Johnson. No, DK, this is the one that surprised me the most where I feel like I just kind of thought he'd be a top five pick. I feel like he might go to the Jags of five. He definitely could go much higher than this, yeah.

I think that's definitely possible. Especially for, he's like, really good ball skills, multiple pick six. he takes risks every once in a while and sometimes it doesn't always pay off but he has great ball production several pick sixes and you know jitterbug quickness changes direction instinctive

he's the first player in the history of the University of Michigan with three pick sixes yeah there you go. DK question for you if Travis Hunter only played corner would you rather have him or Will Johnson? I think Travis Hunter Okay. So they're in different, are they in the same tier to you still? Yeah. Just picking, splitting Harris, it's Travis Hunter. Obviously, Hunter's an athlete, but Bruce Feldman's freak list, this was crazy. Will Johnson did the three cone drill in six and a half seconds, 6.57, which is- Love the three-con drill for corners.

It's better than- Change a direction. Yeah. Better than any cornerback in the last two NFL combines was Will Johnson doing it in Michigan. So on one hand, you're like, well, maybe they timed it at Michigan. It's a little funky. But the other hand is the, the Quarterbacks at the combine are just training for that three cone drill. So, like, Will Johnson's the best change of direction cornerback in literally years. So that's pretty interesting. Also, the Saints just kind of need good football players. Like, the Saints are just in a death spiral where they can't get rid of any of their guys. So they just, they can't miss any more draft picks.

All right. Last up here, D.K., Dallas Cowboys have the 12th pick. Did you give them Ashton Gentie? I did that in my first draft, my first mock draft. Obviously, I'm sure Cowboys fans are, like, fucking sick of seeing Ashton Gentie. in their slot because honestly like and I was talking to you about this last night it's kind of hard to place him because he's like one of the top five players from a pure talent point of view in this class but like as you go through the teams are you like are these teams really going to pick a running

back with their first round pick. The other weird thing about Genti is that there's a lot of good running backs in this draft so it actually reminds me a lot of like well the Giants took Seque 1 at 2 and Sequins's great but like Nick Chubb went 35th. Yeah. So like do you really need to take Gentie 12. Like he's amazing. I love him. But like there's so many good running backs that you might get a third round running back that's almost as good.

And you get a different player here. So who'd you give Dallas? Shmar Stewart, Texas A&M. He's like a defensive end, defensive tackle, hybrid guy, super athletic, really long, 6-6-290. Really exciting player to watch. Again, kind of meat and potatoes. I know this is maybe not the most exciting pick, but like I think he has a ton

of upside. Just super athletics. Like, he's just built. He's just a massive mountain of a man who can move really well. Do we think Jerry's going to want an edge rusher? I think the Cowboys... Well, he's more of... I would say he's probably more of like an interior player, but like can play on the edge. I don't know.

Well, in the bank vault, like Ocean's Eleven, where they're thinking Jerry thinks that he's running the team. They're giving a Maston Jenty. Yeah. And then in the real draft room, they're right. Yeah, they're doing I mean, I would love to see Jonti play for them. Because... Is it Jonti or Janty? I was just going to say that. Jonti or Jenty.

Jenty. Jentie. Jenty. So does Ashton Jenty? Genty. Jenty. Sounds right. Jenty.

I don't care how bad the Cowboys defense is. There are still pieces that I feel like Jerry Jones can still look at like the three good players in the defense. Be like we're good on that end. Our offense sucks. The Cowboys are not going to have a bad offense

and we're not going to come back into next year with like, you know, Dak Prescott coming off an injury, C.D. Lamb and that's it. I just feel like the Cowboys won't do that. Whether they addressed it in free agency or not, I feel like they are going to be like, we had Ezekiel Elliott and running the ball

is our thing. We're either going to get Ashton Jonti or we're going to get another good receiver, but we're not going into next year with the same shitty offense. I kind of can see that too. Yeah, and I bet you in retrospect, they blame the failures of this season on not getting enough weapons for DAC.

I think that's right. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. I don't think it could be overstated how much the Jones family is trying to relive the 1990s of Emmett Smith. Like, there's a reason they had Zach and that old, Zach, Zeke in that O line,

I would not be shocked if they just took Ashton Gentie. Well, they wanted Jonathan Brooks last year. Like, they're going to fucking take John T. Gentie if he's there. Yeah. And he's good enough to be, I don't know. It's, this is the age-old question again, like the value of running backs. But like when you watch like, I don't know, the lions run the ball and the way that they

use their backs in the passing game, like, I don't know, you can find ways to make these guys worth the price. Are you guys going to do some fantasy court? Let's do it. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched. Okay, next one here is from Sean.

Sean Fantasy? Shawnee? Yeah, no, probably. At the town hall last year for our league, we discussed who would be considered last place and have to do our league punishment. I like that they have a town hall. I know, a town hall. If they go away, they do a draft, they do a draft vacate case. they go away and they do like a meeting basically,

like Gilmore Girls or some shit. Anyway, we voted that the regular season loser would be considered last place. So no last place tournament, just whoever had the end of the standings last place. However, apparently, at one of our group dinners when we met up for the draft,

we discussed and revised the rule so that last place in the loser's bracket does the punishment. The problem is everyone was too drunk at the dinner and no one remembers this, except the two people remember the vote happening. And the two people are relatively honest people,

and they are persistent that we unanimously voted to change it to last place in the losers bracket. Everyone else blacked out. Our commissioner was too drunk. Did not officially record the vote in the league bylaws. So the question is... Sounds like one hell of a town hall. I know.

What are the odds that like 10 of 12 people blacked out and don't remember a decision? It's a lot. So, I know. So well, the town hall are they were sober. This league goes hard. It's crazy. Does the drunk,

well, I don't know if they were all blackout, but no one remembers. Does this drunk vote? Whatever. Browned out. It's a lot. Does the drunk vote

at the group dinner count? And does all of us being drunk make the vote not official? Or does it make even more official because drunk words are sober thoughts? Who has to do the punishment? Invino veritas. Yeah.

This is tricky, to be honest. How do we know that, these two are not colluding to make... Where did those guys finish? I think if one of them's last, obviously, they have to do it. That's ridiculous. Right.

If one of, so let's do this. If one of those two people that are claiming that the rule has changed are in last place, then you throw that out. Then you throw it out. But what if they're, but here's the thing. What if they're right? And like, you're in fourth to last and are going to be in the bracket. You sucks to stuff.

If that many people don't remember, I feel like this is slippery slope here. I think that everyone, I don't think, it sounds like there's no argument. everyone's acknowledging they don't remember it and we're fucked up. Okay, so they voted the regular season. They voted, they originally voted the regular season loser would be considered last place. However, at one of the group dinners, they all got drunk and decided to change it to the loser's bracket.

Hmm. I kind of think it's the loser's bracket. I think you take it through. I think the fact that even wrote this email means they kind of think they're right. What do you guys think is a better rule? Oh, I like losers bracket. You don't want to end the season at week 14.

I think it should be losers bracket. And I think the key, though, which I've discovered doing some leagues this year is like the seven, if you're in a 12 team league, most teams, six people make the playoffs. Seven and eight are not in the losers bracket. They're in like middle class. They're in purgatory and frankly their matchups don't matter and they should just

play each other. I do not think the seventh or eighth person should be like in a losers bracket. It's nine, 10, 11, 12 should do it. Like the first team or the first two teams out of the playoffs should not be in contention for last place if you like, I don't miss the playoffs in the last week of the season. But the bottom four should fight it out. Yeah, I do love the losers bracket.

Also, it'd be nice to know what the punishment is. for this for this league because the punishment is insane that changes things i does it true we need actual we need some more discovery on this i think they should go with the dinner i think that i think that i my my first instinct is the drunk vote should count yeah i agree or i'm a little i'm a little dubious that it happened i guess but like if it really did happen the drunk vote should count well why don't they just vote again then wouldn't probably everybody be in on it again like well did being drunk really change every single person's opinion because you know who came in last place in the standing so that it's just voting whether you want that person to do it or not.

But they knew that when they were drunk, they knew who got last place? No, this is months ago. Oh. This is before the season. Oh, right. Oh, interesting. And this is just bubbling up now? Yeah, they kind of, yeah.

It sucks when you wait too long to make these determinations. I think you have to push this to next year probably. Split vote on the court. Wow. If it's, you got to make the call. Like two days before playoffs start? you're going to just change a rule that was already in place because one guy was like, wait a minute, I think three months ago we said that we would change this, but nobody remembers

it. Two guys said it. Yeah, right. I don't know. I think you revote the next town hall before you start drinking, videotape it. Honestly, it's too much of an elaborate lie to make up. Like, just like, actually, like, that dinner where we were all there, we changed it. And two guys are like just like bluffing like that.

It's the perfect crime. Yeah, maybe that's it. What's Pite's Caribbean? It's the honest one she got to watch out for. Okay. So wait, what's the rule? I think you push it, but if you guys overrule me, that's fine. What's your take, D.K.?

My take was that the drunk ruling. The drunk vote should count. I think the drunk vote counts too. If everyone's like trust these guys, like, I think they're, I think they, unless. If everyone accepts that story, then I think yes. Unless the two guys who remember the night are in last place. Right. No.

Right. I think if one's in the playoffs and one's in the bracket, it still counts. If they're both in the loser's bracket, throw it out. But if even one of them's in the playoffs, I'm saying if one of them is dead last after the regular season, you have to throw this out. Yeah, I agree with that.

Oh, that's the stipulation. Because they already lost and they're trying to get out of it. Yes, I agree. I agree. Okay, I agree with that. All right, we have some emails here. Emails. Emails.

First of all, Craig had that app idea on Sunday. Thank you to everyone who emailed in offering to make the app. Did we get a lot? Craig, I got a lot of people asking me what you're app. I don't think we're going to make that app, but thank you, everybody. Is it that it's not that good of an, idea is it not good enough to invest in.

Well, it's funny because we bleeped it out, and then everyone's like, it's an app for waiting in line, right? Damn. How did they know? How did they know that? We didn't do enough bleeping? Context close? Yeah, probably too much. I mean, it's a lot of beeping.

It's not just that. Okay, it's actually, it's a little bit more robust. It's also there's a Bitcoin piece to it. Yeah. You're forgetting about the HocTua Bitcoin that we're adding to it. So thank you ever for that. But it really, it's not just that, but it's in that vein. I would also like to read

We got a lot of emails Oh, that's such a fucking, that went out with a fart. So it's a waiting in lineup, huh? I'm like, damn it. Oh, yeah, it was done eight years ago. Everyone figured it out, and we got to thank you to all the people emailed in

saying that someone tried that in Australia. Also, apparently, like, you can do that on TaskRabbit. You can, like, sign up to be people's line holders. You could have a TaskRabbit deliver food for you. It doesn't mean Uber Eats doesn't need to exist. Also, that one idea in 2017 didn't mean it won't work again. Different time. There you go.

Yeah. They didn't have the proper investment, not the right capital. Not the kind of I'm going to get. Not the right meme coins. I know the right people. I got to get Bill Simmons involved. So the other, so we also on Sunday talked about how, I told you guys how my dad thinks he discovered Joe Burrow. Because he, like, turned out the college football playoff for the 14 and 0 LSU.

I can't wait for him to watch Aston Gentie for the first time. I know. He's literally like that's going to happen. He's going to watch the Boise State playoff game and trying to figure out who to bet on. This guy's good. He's going to be, yeah, he's going to text me like, Genty, the giants need him. This guy, he's got something.

So I asked people to email in your dad, parent, mom, whoever takes of just like takes of people in your life who are just like, like my dad, like insane. So we got a bunch. I actually think this was the highest percentage we've ever got in email prompts of like all the emails were good. Like all,

anyone who emailed us, your story was good. They were all funny. Hyphitz told that, Hyphids told Craig and I not to read the emails for a minute. He wanted to save it. Yeah. So again, just going through emails.

Okay, this one's from James. James. My dad thought he was the first person to compare Shohei Otani to Babe Ruth. I love that. I really love that. That's like, that's the, that's the platonic ideal. You know, he reminds me of son. Great Bambino.

Ever heard of him? James, James says every time Otani pitches and hits in the same. game. My dad texts me and says, see, I told you just like Babe Ruth. The most not online person in the world, I feel like. It's all you hear about this fucking guy. Sometimes, like, fandom is so simple. It's so funny. This one's from Wade.

Wade. Wade. Joe. Of course. Of course. Of course. Wade says, when I watch football with my friend's dad, every single time a kick or punt is returned. My dad's or sorry, my friend's dad yells, he's gone. And then like every now and then

there's a touchdown. He's like, I told you. That's the best. That's actually really smart. That's honestly, that's what podcasting is. You know what my, this just reminds me my dad's like classic and I love this about him is he always will say something right before the announcer says something. And then he goes, I guess I should have been the announcer, huh? And he says it tongue in cheek. He knows that he said it a million times. But it's like, it's his thing. He's like, I guess I should have been the announcer. That's like when a dad is like at an amusement park and they get in line for a ride and then the line fills up behind.

Then they're like, thank I. Got here at the right time. Such like a dad thing. Those are dad things. And the D.K. also is like anything that's kind of like in Austin Powers when he's like, my dad invented the question, claimed he invented the question mark. Yeah. A couple of those. Summers in Rangoon. First of all, this one's from Ed. Eddie.

Ed. If you're fans of Howard Stern, there's a guy on staff named Sal the stockbroker, and his dad onto pizzeria on Long Island, and his dad claimed he invented putting toppings on pizza. That's great. You can't fact-check him. That's the best part. He can just continue to claim it.

We can start doing that. I know. We should be like, Travis Hunter. This guy's got something. Kind of like Babe Ruth. Yeah. My dad was the first guy to drink the juice out of fruits. Did you know that?

He was like, what have we just put the juice into a cup and drink it? He created a juicer. Everybody came eating the fruits. He was like, what have we squeezed it? Yeah. This was from Gavin. Gav. I love this email.

Gavin writes, I'm 44, so my grandpa was part of the greatest generation. So when I was a kid, like 10 or 11, my grandpa used to sit in his basement on a reclimate. He drank beer. He chewed Red Man and he flipped between headline news and the Weather Channel. What is Red Man? Is that tobacco or gun? I assume it's tobacco.

I assume it's chewing tobacco. One day my grandfather was hammered watching TV. Watching that. She's literally watching the news. He's watching the news in the weather channel. This is his grandfather, which means that this, the grandson was at the house

while granddad was absolutely lit on a recline. Greatest generation is right. Dude, it's like Cal Norton. It's like, I'm in the front row of Leonard Skinner. Hammered drunk. I'm not hammered drunk. Just imagine your, your wife. Imagine being 75.

Watching the weather channel. Your wife is like, hey, hey, honey, the grandkids are coming over and you're like, great. I'm going to have 15 Milwaukee bests. Oh, my God. So he says, grandfather's hammered watch a TV. I am shooting on the Nerf basketball hoop that he bought us for Christmas. And my grandfather points at his team picture. from when he played basketball at Fairmont State University in the 1930s.

And my grandfather turned to me and says, I invented the turnaround jump shot. God, that's great. I can't prove him wrong. The turnaround jump shot. Dude. That's good. That's good.

He says he went on to describe in great detail how standing at the foul line while in a quote, athletic stance. Triple threat. Triple threat. They didn't call it back then, that back then, Craig. He would turn his back to the basket. The point guard would pass in the ball, and the defender, quote, had no idea where the ball was going to go.

So he would jump, spin in the air, and shoot. And he said, I was unguardable. This is like, this is like the precursor to the hook shot. Yeah. I invented the turnaround jump shot. I just love him being blacked out, deciding what last place punishment was for his fantasy league and pointing at this. photo on the wall. I invented

it to turn it on gem shot. Listen, kid. Out in the driveway. Get over here, kid. You think you're doing the Larry Bird. You're not. You're doing the me. I invented it. He's like Uncle Rico. Everybody asks Uncle Rico.

Yeah, Uncle Rico. Please email us more of these. The thing is, I want to know more about this guy. I want to know more about this man. Oh, you want to have, oh, I got more. Part of me he's like, maybe he did. Tell me more about this specific man. What was his name?

That was someone else's grandfather who gets all his news from newspapers. And so he learns everything after the fact. That was the Babe Ruth grandfather, Babe Ruth dad. He just reads all of his news from local Midwest papers. So he finds out everything on like a four-day delay. So he was like, Mike, he follows baseball so much and he will find out Juan Soto signed on Friday. It's like dumb and dumber when he's like leaving the bar, he sees a, they have like a framed picture of the moon landing. He's like,

We landed on the moon. So good. That's great. We landed on the moon. Please send us more of these at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. I'll do, sorry, I love these so much. It's from Ty. Tyler.

Yeah. Ty, remember that name. Okay. I'm tall. I'm left-handed. I pitched in high school. Not in college. Just high school.

My dad legitimately thought I could make the major leagues as a left-handed reliever. until I had to ask him to stop at 28 years old. Right. He was 28 and his dad was still talking about it. And he's like, Jesus Christ, Dad, I haven't played baseball in 10 years. So I thought that was funny. That's cute. So I read the email again.

This guy's name is Ty Cobb. Wait, his dad's name is Ty Cob. No, his name? This guy who sent the email's name is Ty Cob. So I email him back. The Thai Cob. So I email him back. I'm like, this is ten times funnier that your name's Ty Cob.

He's like, well, Ty Cobb was my great-grandfather. Oh, okay, so maybe this kid had a shot. And I'm like, dude, your dad was on to something, my guy. What are you talking about? Okay, but why weren't you in the majors? Why weren't you in college? No offense, Ty, but, like, we're the, yeah.

Wow. So is his name, like, Ty Cobb the fourth? Yeah. I think so. I think, yeah. This name's Ty Cobb. I'd be like, did Ty Cobb the third make it to the MLB? What did Dad do?

I don't think so. Wow. Anyway. Originally, I was like, man, that's all parents too. Wasn't roundly loved by people around him. I wasn't going to bring it up. We're reading Ty's email. That's his mail.

Roundly loved. I wasn't going to bring it up. It's Ty nose. It's, you know. Oh, that's good stuff. Please email us more at ringer fancy football g-mail.com of your dad or parent or mom takes or whatever. I want to hear more from people's grandparents, too.

I want to know. Turn around jumper. That's so good. That guy, I think we should make a TV show about that. I want to interview this man. I know. I want to know how much your grandparents can, like, how many beers they can put away. That's what I want to know.

We're just, it's scotch neat. I was thinking about, I was thinking about my grandpa, my grandpa, my mom's dad. He lived to be like 92 years old. He was super old school. And he was like super conservative. I went to church every day, literally every day. But he loved boxing. I don't know why I just love that about him

He would watch boxing every time I was over there He's like sitting there watching boxing And the best thing that he would do randomly We'd just be sitting in the room Like a whole family like three generations And all of a sudden he would just go Like a crow Like he would caw like a crow randomly

That's You know Just just Bill Diff back then You know how you were like oh he was super old school And like I can I can picture what that means You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, yeah. He was like wearing like three-piece suits and stuff.

Right. Do you think in like 1930? Like when somebody's like, oh, my grandpa's super old school. Like, what did that mean? It was like, yeah, he still has a horse. Like he kind of just like is resisting cars. I just want to know what like... Did that expression even exist back then?

I don't know. Maybe not. Like if somebody's like, oh, my grandpa, yeah, he's like still pretty old school and it's like 1934. Means he's still farming. Yeah. What does that mean? Yeah. They don't have electricity.

Yeah, he's still into the open flame. Right. Not a big light bulb guy. There's always good stories, though, about, like, grandparents' generation. It's crazy how quickly the world has changed since those people were alive. Dude, I am obsessed with those memes of just, like, you know, raves from Vegas or like an RL Grime concert with like, you know, on the big screens. And they're like, imagine showing this to like some peasant from like 300 years ago. Like, just imagine showing some medieval surf this, like, fucking RL.

I see you stuff just like all sleep in the same bed because for warmth. That's just built diff back then. Now we have to want the biggest bed possible so we don't have to sleep near anybody. Yeah, I know. Oh, man. Just a different world back there. My buddy was telling me about his neighbor's family. When they were growing up, they lived in like a shack and they all slept in the same bed.

And they would have to like shake the ice off the blanket when they woke up. I'm like, I should stop complaining about stuff. Yeah, you really should. You're pretty whining. I'm just whining about referees. My AirPods aren't connecting. Well, that's a real problem. That's a real thing that we have to deal with.

The Beau Burtum, when my grandfather turned 26, he went to Vietnam. And when I turned 26, I built a birdhouse with my mom. Banner for a generation. Yep. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos and Kai.

Thank you, awesome. Thank you, everyone for help with this episode. Thank you for emailing us at ring your fantasy football at gmail. dot com for your grandparents stories and just any takes that they have and emails with the draft. Fantasy courts trivia, all that jazz. Thank you, Lord.

Thank you, Bob Dylan. Hell yeah. Are you coming out? Yeah, DK, do you care about BD? Are you going to go see that movie? BDE? I do not have Bob Dylan energy. I'm not big on Bob Dylan.

I'm actually going to the premiere tonight with Liz. Nice. Flex. There's one line in the trailer that really... Hit up. hit up Sholomey and get him to be on the pod. We do need Shalomey to come on the draft show. I need his takes. I need his football.

Did you see? I actually was kind of wondering is he like a real sports fan? Like I know he gets like he's been around Nix. He's a real sports fan, I think. Well, dude. I can't. Yeah. The Langerie Fields thing? Yeah. So Landry Fields was a very It's such a specific moment in Nix fandom. It's like every, I think every team that

at any sport, there's like a specific kind of player, a draft pick that like you cared about a lot and thought was your future, but no one else did. But like, you're a real fan if you like that person. Everyone has that era. For the Knicks, it was Landry Fields. Like, for my generation, like, Landry Fields was like a big deal that no one remembers him. Yeah, I don't remember that person. There's a picture of Landry Fields tweeted out in 2010 that I'm at Grand Central,

whoever gets to me first and answers a trivia question, we'll get two tickets to tonight's game. And he then follows quote tweets it. And it's like, congrats to Tim Shalomey on winning the contest in 2020. He's like 13 years old. Dude, he's a child. And I'm like, that's a real fan. He is 100% an absolute diehard basketball fan

because he went and found fucking Landry Fields at Grand Central in 2000. That's amazing, actually. It was incredible. Big ringer fan. I feel like that like... Get him on the show. It's like the one time where I could actually yell out. I worked at the ringer and like somebody could be like,

and like a celebrity's like, whoa. Wait, hold on. Who is that guy? Should I do that? He started to yell at him? Yes, please do. I work for Bell Center. Simmons.

They just be like, Landry's house. The security's taking you away. You're like, I work with Phil Simmons. I work for Phil Simmons. And then Shalamey's like, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, let him through. Let him through. So like trying to show a rap for your mix tape. This is the year of Shalemay in Hollywood. Yeah. Dude crushed it. He kind of,

it was Glenn Powell's. And then he was like, nah, it's actually mine. Glenn Powell came out the gate with that a rom-com of Sweeney, Hit Man. And then it was like,

wow, everyone's in on Glenn Powell. And then Shalamey's like, actually. Let me lay a wonka on your ass. Yeah, hold my drink. Paul O'Hrades. I'm also Bob Dylan, and I'm actually a closeted college football fan. That was amazing.

Oh, man. The one line in the Bob Diller trailer bothers me, but now I worry if I say it that Tim Shalame won't come on the show. No, say it. What line bothers you? It's like a good trailer, and then there's like the line, and it's just like voiced over, and it's like, all you do, Bob, is go places with your guitar, and no one knows anything about. about you. And I'm like, it just is like, I don't know.

It's too much. Feels like a line out of walk hard. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you, D. All you do is go places with your guitar. Dewey. Yeah. Other than that, I like the trailer.

My dog's right. Apologies. My dog is just yelling at me because it's almost four o'clock. Well, he's like Jeremy Lynn and Landry Field should have stayed together. Tim Shalmers, right. Yeah. Tim Shalmy, come on the show. Tim.

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