The Ringer NFL Show - Power Hour: Offseason Rodgers, Payton in Denver, and Derek Carr’s Next Move

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

We power rank the top non–Super Bowl related stories from around the league including Aaron Rodgers’s darkroom retreat, Derek Carr’s visit to the Saints, Sean Payton as the new alpha dog in Denver, the Chargers snatching up Kellen Moore, LeBron James breaking the NBA all-time scoring record, and more. Check out our 2023 NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? It's Austin Rivers from the Minnesota Timberwolves. It's a new year and I have a new podcast here at the Ringer, Offguard, hosted by me and my guide, Pasha Higigi. Austin and I go way back and talk so much hoop already that we figure those time to fire up the mics and let you in on all of these conversations. Every week, Pasha and I will hit on the biggest stories happening in the league.

And get Austin's perspective of someone currently hooping in the NBA. Tap into Offguard every Friday on the Ringer NBA show fee on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. See football show. My name is Dana Hyphitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbeck. We are in person at Radio Row in Phoenix Arizona for the Super Bowl. That was the quietest one I've ever heard. It feels so weird yelling in front of people.

There's so many people. This is the loudest environment we've been in and yet this is the quietest high fits has ever been. I don't know. I'm getting Alford by all these other people. You're with your people here. Other loud mouths. I mean, you're worried about like other radio hosts. Like, come on.

Yeah. Go for it. Should I do it again? Let it out. Welcome to the rear vanishing football. I don't know. You're still not yelling. All right.

And it went, whatever. All right, today it is power hour. So we're going to power rank all the non-super Bowl news, the Super Bowl week. Like, we're at the Super Bowl. Everyone's content right now is Super Bowl. So we're, we're zagging. Yeah. We're going to do all the other, because there's a lot going on.

So we're going to cover all non-super Bowl stuff. Well, we're the geniuses because we went, if you want a Super Bowl preview, we did our Super Bowl preview yesterday at the hotel. Yep. And then now we came to Radio Row to talk about everything except the Super Bowl, because we're good at this. Mm-hmm. So, but a lot of stuff is happening.

And we kind of just felt like we had to talk. about all this stuff. So again, you want the Super Bowl preview or just more importantly the guys who made the Wopper song. Wopter, Wopter, Wopter, Wopard. That was yesterday.

Check that out. And then tomorrow we're going to have a big prop at draft show with us, with So lax. That's going to be fun. But today, yeah, it's just everything else. So we're doing a power hour style. If you haven't done that with us before,

talking about a topic for two minutes, is-ish. Ish. Ish. We're going to be beholden too much to the timer. It's going to be looser here on Radio Row. We should have actually done a real power hour now that we're in person. We should have.

We should have. Well, I drink real beer and then you guys like... Craig was drinking kombucha or something. Yeah, that was ridiculous. It was technically alcohol. It was like 1 p.m. on a 10th day. All right, we're going to do for two minutes. And then Kai, our assistant producer here, is going to play this sound.

It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It really is. They had it all Monday night football. And I hope that they keep it next year because they had the loto, the big energy. Yeah, all right. We'll see.

All right. So we're just power ranking all the news that's happened. Let's do it. In the world. Not the world. Just the NFL. But actually we're starting with not the NFL. We're just starting with number one.

Just LeBron James. Brahma James. Last night as the NBA's all-time score. That was like a cool sports moment. That was actually really cool. I was curious what you guys your actual thoughts were because I thought about it. I was just like, honestly, part of me I keep thinking about was just he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at 17. Right.

With like the chosen one. And it was like 21 years ago almost to the week. And like he fucking did it. That's crazy. Right. No one has lived up to the hype more than him probably, right? Yeah. I would say so.

But even more so, he just didn't crack, which is even more amazing. No, I mean, LeBron's biggest mistake of his career, I guess he would say, is the decision, which when you look back, that's probably not even that big of a deal anymore. He's been just like, just like his literal play on the court, he's incredibly consistent. He's 27-7 and 7 on the court, and off the court, he's kind of just been smooth sailing. I think the through line in all the greats of sports history are they advanced the body. Michael Jordan was the first guy who started lifting weights. Tom Brady got in the pliability. and LeBron James is like the third level of that for hairline

where it's like it's been rude sorry I guess that's a sort of subject for you can we talk about the photo yeah of him and everyone has their phones and they did it with the Jordan shot side by side and no one's on their phones the fuck happened to us that's kind of like that's bullshit though like no one has camera phones back then like you didn't have literally no cameras on your phones back I don't think it's like why weren't they recording

I think it's more just like wow look at all these people experiencing something in the moment and not visualizing it through their screen even though they're actually there. There's one guy, old guy in the front row, who's not looking at his phone, and then Craig was the one who told... That old man is Phil Knight, the founder of Nike,

who has probably seen so much cool shit in his life. He's like, I don't need to record this on my phone. It's on TV. I could just like... Something called a memory. It's the coolest photo ever. He's just chilling on court side. Everyone else has their phone up, but he's just watching.

Even LeBron's sons are both taking videos, and I'm like, if we're next to each other, and you're taking a video. I don't know, but you guys, I put my phone away. I'll just send it to you. It's going to be all over Twitter from every different angle.

Like, why, I guess you don't put it on the Instagram story, Instagram. I guess is that what you're paying the money for to Instagram live that you were there and flex and everyone you know? Is that more the point? We're already blowing past Tom Tom,

but I have a question, do you think, so everyone's comparing it to that Jordan shot, right? The Jazz Jordan shot his last shot on the Bulls. Do you think LeBron shot it from that elbow so that everybody can match it up with Jordan? Do you think he knew where to shoot it from? Yes, except the key difference is. I think he did.

You really think you thought that? Yes. Oh my God, yeah. I think he'd rather shoot like a jumper from the elbow than like some ugly like layup in traffic. I agree. He should have done the thing where he switched his hands like the iconic Jordan, you know, play where he like switched his hands. Yeah, yeah. Should have that hang time anymore.

You think LeBron didn't stage manage that play? Like, please. But he did. I will also say I'm pretty sure. Could be wrong. I'm not an ex-basket expert. Pretty sure when Jordan made the shot, they won the game. Yeah.

I could be wrong. Who won? The Lakers lost. The Lakers lost the game. To the thunder. This is like literally like the Kyle Pitts thing. This was the biggest controversy last night at the bar while we were watching him do this was. Okay, this is getting a little long.

Like how long are we going to spend? They paused the game for like 30 minutes. Did a full press conference. Like Karina Abdul-Jabbar came out and spoke. It was like they should have just ended the game and said like whatever. They should have just ended the game. Call it from there. Stop the count.

Oh my God. Okay. All right. Next one. Sorry, Tom Tom. Number two. Non-superable news. Aaron Rogers is going on a darkness retreat.

Uh, okay. Rogers is going to decide whether or not he will retire. He's going to go on a darkness retreat. It is a four-day retreat where he's going to just be in darkness. I would like Kai to actually play the actual clip of Rogers. It's four nights of complete darkness. What? You go to Alaska?

Not Alaska, no. I've been Alaska. That's a beautiful state. Are you locked in? Where is it? You're not locked in. No, you can leave if you can't do it. You can just walk out the door.

But it's a darkness retreat. What? It's four nights in a dark house with a bathroom and then like one of those like prison slots to like give you food. Right. Isn't it like literally solitary confinement is considered torture? It's against the Geneva Convention. Right. Like people will literally do anything now if it costs a lot of money to make themselves like find who they really are.

Do you think next year he'll be like I'm going to a waterboarding? What's another like euphemism for waterboarding? It's like a water treatment. Yeah. A water towel. Enhanced water massage. Enhanced water massage. Okay, we're going too far there.

Yeah, no. It's a horrible thing. But yeah. But I love the reaction where he's like, yeah, I'm doing the four nights and he's like, what? He's essentially doing like a sensory deprivation week. Right. But here's the thing. Pitch black?

Like there's literally no light or it's just like the lights aren't on. He said it's pitch black. Here's my thing, though. On one hand, this is crazy. On the other hand, do all those people taking the videos of LeBron not need a four-day darkness retreat? I mean, we all need to unplug a little. I kind of would not mind not having my phone or anything, but can you, how was the last time?

What's the longest you've gone with your own thoughts? Golf, it's whenever I golf. I don't look at my phone for like five hours and I go when I don't have service. Sleep, like planes. Can you imagine four days since your own thoughts? When you don't have, I buy a service on planes. I know, I didn't too. I can't even escape to 30,000.

Honestly, I can't go three hours without like looking at Twitter. Dude, the I lost all the stuff makes made, gets made fun of. I think this is one of the hardest things I can think of, four days with just my thoughts. What's harder being a quarterback in the Super Bowl or spending four days with your own thoughts and darkness? They're equally unlikely to me. Literally torture.

Literally. Do you think this is going to help Rogers figure out what his next path? He says he's not committed to even coming back yet. He still doesn't know. Is he officially, did he commit to actually making a decision? Are we going to have to go through more? He's not at that stage yet where he's going to decide what his future is. So to remind everyone the stakes here,

if he plays just this season. He literally gets a check, like direct deposit for $58 million. Think how big of a mansion you can turn into a dark house with $50 million. You could get your own dark house. He could get, I mean, with Russell Wilson's house, he could get like almost four bedrooms. That's right. It's like right next to the safe room, you got the dark room and you could just, you know, every summer. He said it'd been on his calendar for months and months and months.

Have you ever heard of this? Like sensory, I've heard of quiet retreats. I've heard of sensory deprivation tanks. like you're in a tank and that's like an hour. Floated in water. It's like I got to put a Dave. Something new every time. All right. Entirely new Tom Tom here.

Where is he going to go? So obviously I've been yelling from the rooftops that Aaron Rogers is going to go to the Jets. Yeah. I will admit, I started waiver last week because Devante Adams just starts tweeting out. Someone who's like, where's Rogers going to go? And he just quote tweeted and was like, my neighborhood. And there's, betting odds are basically the Jets Raiders, Packers are all basically even at this point.

Mm-hmm. And it's, it's wild, man. Like, there's so much going into this. like sauce Gardner was like, I know things that... I know, right? It was like the most vague thing I've ever heard. But you guys are... Are you guys convinced he's going to leave A

and then where do you think he goes, Jets, Raiders? I think he's not going to play for the Packers anymore. I think that this was their plan all along. To me, like, this is executed very well by them. The contract was structured for him to leave after a year. And they never said it, but that's what is happening. And I think... I'm beginning...

Like, obviously, these are two favorites. I think it's going to be the Jets. It's like... What Soss Gardner said, it's like basically is alluding to the idea that they already know what's going to happen. What did Soss say? What did he say? What did he say? I was like, I know something about something, you know, I know a little bit, but I can't say.

I don't know. It was like nothing. But I think basically- They hired Hackett. Yeah, but the Roncos did too. And they got Russell Wilson. Yeah, but they hired Hackett for a very specific reason. It didn't happen.

Now the Jet Johnson wanted Hackett. Why would you hire Hackett after what does happen? Because Woody Johnson wants Hackett so they can sell tickets for it to have Aaron Rogers and the Jets and not have Zach Wilson. So they want Aaron Rogers. want him. I'm a Steelers fan. I want him. Here's the key point. The Rogers doesn't technically have a no trade clause, but he basically does because no one can trade for him the way his contract is unless he like wants to be there. So you basically have to work out a deal of Rogers. And so he has a de facto no trade clause. One week, so he can kind of decide and it's a mix

of like what the Pack is willing to do and he's willing to do. They do have to come to some sort agreement. The weird wrinkle in this is remember like two weeks ago when Aaron Rogers was like railing about big pharma? Yes. You know who owns the Jets? Woody Johnson, is the to fucking Johnson and Johnson. And like one of the, the whole reason Rogers went to Canada and did the immunization thing or whatever the hell was that was, he is allergic. He said he was allergic

to two of the vaccines and he didn't want, he was freaked out with the Johnson Johnson Johnson vaccine. He's really a big pharma. So I don't know what anyone involved was. He's going to go to the bronze medalist vaccine squad? I don't know. The third best vaccine? I think he's going to the Raiders. We never did vaccine tears.

We never ran powering vaccines. That'd be a next. Graph guide. Why wouldn't he go to the Raiders? Honestly, the main thing I'm like, do they have the resources to get him? I think absolutely, because they have the seventh pick. So like the Raiders is more like, seventh pick for Rogers? That's the thing.

It's like if the Raiders want Rogers, they can obviously outbid the Jets. It's just do you want to do that or would you rather just go get CJ Straub? Is CJ Stroud going to be there at seven? Probably not. It's like you could take the Rogers deal and probably less than the Rogers. You put that into the seventh pick. You don't have to move that high up for the seventh pick. Like you'd probably just go get CJ Stroud.

So would you rather Stroud or Rogers or whoever you want? Will Evans? I don't know. I mean, I think it's definitely plausible that the Raiders do it. I think it would be Jets Raiders. Obviously, those are the betting odds anyway. Do you think players factor in it all? Like Aaron Rogers has been in Green Bay, Wisconsin for 20 years, and he would have to go to New Jersey to play in the snow?

Absolutely. Do you think he's like, you know what'd be nice? Like warm weather, Vegas, dome, West Coast. I'm talking about weather. Like, is he like, you know what? I'm good. I've played in the snow for 20 years now. Like, I'd like to go indoors.

on the West Coast, where I'm from. Yeah, he's from California, and he lives in L.A. in the offseason, and I do think that's probably part of the reason the Raiders, obviously also Devante being there. Someone made a good point, which is usually it's like, oh, can you handle New York? It's like, the Packers are such a bigger deal than the Jets, which is the one. I don't think it has anything to do with, like, big city is scaring him or anything like that. I think it's truly just like how nice it is to live on the West Coast and be in a dome

and not have to deal with weather and all that. If he would just rather do that for two years. Waxing poetically about, like, the, how New York is like the death of American culture every week while the Jets go like 12 and 5 and then losing the second round of the playoffs would kind of be like the funny as possible. Do you think there's any thing in the back of his mind where he's just like farved at it so I don't want to do this? But he also might go in this darkness retreat and be doing whatever mind-altering substances

and being like, yes, the universe is speaking to me. It's like the life is just cycles, you know what I mean? You ever watch that chef's table episode where the Brazilian chef is just like, yeah, I did like way too much acid once and the God told me that life was just circled. I just like the idea that he shits on the culture of New York City and it might go to Las Vegas. Well, I don't think he's done that. I'm just kind of assuming he might. Okay.

He just said that. Anyway, okay. All right. Glad we're doing power hour. Anyway, I still think you're doing the real power hour. It was power. It was actually really power half hour. Yeah.

Because we can do two minutes and ten topics. Now it's really power hour. All right. Speaking of the Raiders, so Derek Carr is technically still a Raiders employee, which is kind of funny, because he's basically, I don't know, been exiled. So he visited the Saints. what happened at the Pro Bowl? Oh, yeah.

Derek Carr just went absolutely ham and like the skills challenge, like the passing challenge for the quarterbacks. He scored like 40, which I don't know what that means. Who is he up against anybody yet? What was the sport? The rest of the 40 in Dodge Bowl?

Tyler Huntley. He barely beat Tyler Huntley, which is... Is that right? I actually didn't watch. Who are the other best quarterbacks competing? I don't know. The Pro Bowl ones? I'm not sure.

To be honest with you, I did not watch. So it was like, Kenny Pickett and Davis Mills or something? Dude, no one wants to go to the Pro Bowl anymore. That's what I'm saying. Toronto Lawrence was there. I saw him. Tyler Huntley was there. I don't know.

The point is. Why the fuck was Tyler Huntley there? Because he was like the fourth alternate because everyone else was injured or like dropped out. Huntley was an alternate, but I'm pretty sure what happened is. So this year they let the coaches get a third, fans get a third and players get a third. Let's say you're a buffalo bill and you want Josh Allen to make the Pro Bowl. You're like, all right, you got three votes. You vote for Josh Allen.

You vote for Mahomes. If you just vote for Burrow Mahomes and Allen, it's like you didn't vote for Josh Allen at all. You know what I mean? Your vote is like wasted. So you're like, oh, I got to vote for people who will help you out. You vote for Josh. maybe vote for Mahomes and you're like, oh, you go to the bottom of the list, who won't make it? Who can I burn my vote on? And they vote for Huntley.

And they got so many people probably did that to burn their vote that Huntley actually made it as an alternate. That's your theory? I think that's exactly what happened. Yeah, there's no other explanation. It's like writing in your dad for president. No, did you do that? I didn't do that. People do that. This is super niche, but it's like how Anthony Hopkins won the Oscar for Best Actor over Chadwick Boseman. Because people thought it was assumed he would win. Everybody, everybody basically told everybody else, I voted for Anthony Hopkins, but Chadwick Bosman's going to win. And everybody just did that. They were like, I think Anthony Hopkins

had the best performance, so I'm going to write that name down because I know that Chadwick Boson will likely win anyway because of, you know, passed away, everything that went along. And then everybody just voted for Anthony Hopkins. But didn't they move the order of the awards to Best Actor last so that they could do the Boseman designed around him winning? Duminously winning. And then Anthony Hopkins didn't even go

because he was on Zoom, but he thought he was going to lose so he went to bed. And they just ended the show. Yes. Okay, so anyway, that's why Tyler Huntley was at the Pro Bowl. So who vote rights in their dad for president? I don't know. I've just heard that's like a thing that people do. Yeah, riding in Harambe. Okay, anyway.

Anyway, so Derek Carr. He did the passing challenge where you're like trying to hit targets that are on the move and all that. He like just lit it up. We got a whole 40 on the thing. Wow. I don't know what the score was, but yeah. I mean, this is, it's who knows the context. He had a high number.

I was joking. And they were interviewing at the end and basically were like, wow, I don't know if I've ever seen you this hot in Vegas. And he was like, yeah, that's why I'm leaving. And then he just made like this shit eating grin on his face. A little humility. It was pretty funny The car thing's weird So basically he's gone

So the only question is do the Raiders trade him Or do they cut him? The Raiders want to trade him So they can get draft picks And Derek Carr probably wants to get cut So he can like pick his team And become a starter And there's like a soft deadline here

Where so Wednesday We're recording this Wednesday the 8th Wednesday the 15th So the day after Valentine's day Basically if he's on the roster that day The Raiders have to Basically if they cut him before that day They'll save like $30 million in cap space

But if he's on the roster And Wednesday it's like guaranteed they can't get rid of them, or they could, but the salary guarantees. We could get in, it's basically a game of chicken between them. I don't personally, I don't think it's worth getting into like, well, here's what happens if the salary guarantees and the accounting mechanisms. It's like he will either be on the roster seven days from today or he will not, and from that point it will be much clearer what's happening.

So honestly, we can just check in. But in one week, we'll have some kind of update on Derek Carr, and we'll see if they cut them or not. If they don't cut them, they have to trade. Let's go through both scenarios, though. If he's not cut, what teams do you think he's likely to go to? Okay, so it's weird because like people are going to be like, well, his money's guaranteed, and who wants to pay for Carr if he's $32 million is guaranteed?

That's, I actually think, completely wrong. He's only under contract for one year guarantee. And like, that's actually incredible for a quarterback. One year of Derek Carr for $30 million and then he's under, like, you have to give him a new deal. So it's like, it's all kind of weird. But like, would you have to give him a new deal? Yeah, you don't have to. Yeah, because you could just rent him for a year for $30 million and then decide what to do, right?

It's basically like a franchise tag. Yeah. If you also had not the option to move on for. but you had them under contract. It's like better than a franchise tag. Are we bearing the lead that he visited the Saints? Like have we mentioned that? No, I said that at the top.

Yeah, so he visited the Saints. So you go to the Saints, who again are like $30 million over the cap and just do like... They'll figure it out. I know. What happened with Man City? They will figure it out.

Did you see that report in Manchester City had all these like holding shell companies? No. And that was like how they were like skirting all the Premier League finance rules. The Saints have to be doing that right. Yeah, there's some type of money laundering. It's very creative. They just have all these like casino river boats that they just like hide their money on.

I don't know how money-loving works. It's on Riverland, so it's not real. How do we feel about Derek Carter of the Saints? I don't feel anything about Derek Carr. I was actually more interested in the dad voting thing and the Tyler Huntley. I don't really care about Derek Carr at all. We were talking about the dad voting thing. You write in a name that you think should be president.

What? My dad should not be president. Well, that's the source of this. I mean, I didn't vote for my dad, but I'm saying people do that. I think the D.K said that as like a one-off. It just popped into his head and you treated it like that's his, like, mantra in life. You're right. But I'm still more interested in it.

Derek Carr. We were talking yesterday. There's this funny Lewis Black bit where he talks about nutrition and how nobody, like, nobody knows anything about the body and about food. And he was like, he was like, how long have we been studying this shit? And he's like, here's the perfect example to show you that we don't know what the fuck we're doing. He's like, is milk good or bad for you? And no, like the audience just sat there for four seconds. Exactly. We're doing this for how many decades. We still don't fucking know. Is milk good or bad for you? And that's kind of how I feel about Derek Carr. Is Derek Carr good or bad for your team? I don't know. Nobody knows. Everybody hates Kyler Murray. Yeah.

Just incredible. There was a report at some point in the last month. The Cardinals' coaching search was taking so long in part because nobody wanted to work

with Kyler Murray, who's by the way, that massive contract extension he signed that had the homework clause and the call of duty hasn't even like started yet. Someone needs to get

Cliff Kingsbury on the record here. Yes, I need to hear what he thinks about Kyler Murray. Go to Thailand. Yeah, I need,

what's that Christine Amin Poor? Like, we need her to like go and like get like the hour long. Can like he call it anonymously somewhere? I guess everybody would know it's him.

But like I just, I need to know I almost struggle to believe this story that nobody wants to coach Kyle Murray. Not nobody, but I will say this. Terry Bradshaw said like this week that Sean Payton did not want the Cardinals job because he did not want to work with Kyleor Murray. Like he's Bradshaw said that flat out. Remember Terry Bradshaw

and then he went to work with Russell Wilson. I know. That's a good point. But talk about that. Yeah. But talk about sources and stuff. Terry Bradshaw literally worked on the Fox set with Sean Peyton for like 18 weeks in a row. So like I kind of believe Terry Bradshaw. And Bradshaw seems like the kind of guy who would like let the cat out of the bag even though he's probably not supposed to. I kind of believed Terry Bradshaw. I trust Terry Bradshaw.

No, hold on. Hold on. Did you see what he also said this week when he was like, yeah, like, you know, if I died on set, think of the ratings. That'd be great for Fox. Jesus. I tweeted that that's like what Tom Cruise is saying about Mission Impossible like 14. Oh my God. He's like, I got an idea of Doug Lyman.

What if I fucking die? There we go. Or Chris McCory. Sorry, he's the director. I went to see Ava, on your recommendation, you were right, Avatar 2 in IMAX 3D, which was one of the 10 best things that's ever happened to me. And before that, they have like the 10 minute. He's going hyperbole on these movies this year.

Oh, that was incredible. He talked about how bullet train changed his life. I didn't say that. Every week I see him. He has experienced something that was the best in his life. I'm just excited. He's very enthusiastic, Craig. Oh my God.

I'm just excited. The point being, there was like the 10 minute monologue or montage, I don't know, a video of Tom Cruise like doing that bike jump and whatever the mission impossible. He was jumping off the cliff. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. What a crazy guy.

Dude, he's, yeah. He's definitely. You and Tom Brady need to just, like, do something. They're like the same person. Tom Cruise, I think, is now more of, like, a magician than an actor. He's, like, David. He's closer to David Blaine than he is to, like, Robert De Niro. No, it's, like, the prestige.

Like, he's just a psych, like, he would do anything. Yeah, I truly believe that. I think he's just going to keep upping the ante until he, like, maybe dies. So maybe he could coach the Cardinals. Maybe he'll coach the Cardinals. Same size, him and Kyler. They could relate. Wow.

They can see eye to eye. And I can. Okay. I just want to say the Cardinals are the oldest team in the NFL. Like they're a century old. And they've never had a coach for more than six years. So anyway, in other news, the Cowboys fired Kellynne Moore as offensive court. I don't really know how to segue from that.

Yeah, they just, I guess you got to fire somebody. I think that's what it was. It was like essentially, DAC threw a lot of interceptions this year. No one was fired. It was a mutual parting of ways. Sure, sure, right. What did your guys is, what was your take on the reaction from Cowboys fans? Because I thought it was actually a little bit split.

Like, I think a lot of Cowboys fans were like, what the hell are we doing? And then I saw a few others that were like, okay, maybe it is time to move on. Like, am I stupid? Like, I thought Kellynne Moore was a good offensive coordinator. I mean, the Cowboys have been a top five offense since Killen Moore has been at the helm of the play calling. I think the vibe is that Mike McCarthy and Kellyn Moore did not see eye to eye on Mike Cruz and Kyler-Marry. Right. And they, but I think that this is Mike McCarthy's thing and Mike McCarthy.

First, there's two layers to it. The first is Mike McCarthy being like one. Does anyone look at the Cowboys the last three years and be like, you know what? Mike McCarthy needs more to do on the side. Yeah, because now he's calling plays. It's like the guy who like... Wait, is he? Yes.

Because they hired Brian Schiathema to be the offensive coordinator. Jerry Jones said Mike McCarthy's going to call plays. And like... So isn't there a world by like week 11, Dan Quinn is the head coach of the Cowboys? Yes. Right?

No, no, no. No, because this is the second layer and I think the important point. McCarthy's needs to make fun of him just like Jason Garrett was. This is all Jerry Jones's fault. Jerry Jones just wants to be a fancy football owner. Like he just wants to like run the team. And I feel like, what's that Simpsons quote? Like the Homer Simpson's quote, like the Homer Simpson's quote by alcohol.

it's like it's the cause of and solution to all of life's problems. It's like that's Jerry Jones. He's the cause of a solution to all of the Calvin's issues. He always asks what's that Simpsons quote and then just says it. And we have, I have no idea. What's that Homer quote? And then he just perfectly quotes it. I'm like, oh, I guess that is the quote.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Or just say, you know that Homer quote. Don't ask. Okay. I'll take the, I like the feedback. It's a little live feedback for you. Cam Hayward for the Steelers just like walked up.

I thought he was going to come to our table and start quoting the Simpsons, but he did not. He's absolutely massive. But you don't think that if the Cowboys are four and seven and week 11 that McCarthy's done? No, because I think that Jerry Jones runs the team. I know this sounds like flowery, but I mean this. I think that his actual problem is he's so loyal that he basically hires and pays people as he wants them to be rather than who they really are. So like he hired Mike.

Like the reason he had Garrett for 10 years is because like he came up under the Cowboys and Jerry Jones convinced himself, this is the guy. And he'll also, he's a yes man. And it's like he convinced himself, Mike McCarthy is this genius coach who, somehow defeated Jerry's mighty Cowboys in the playoffs twice. And it's like, he just fucking beat the team. And now he's like, it's like he's so invested in being right about Mike McCarthy. He doesn't, Jerry's not going to admit he's wrong.

I mean, this is, yeah, this is actually the exact same thing with the Zeke thing, right? Like, he wants Zeke to be Emmett Smith. He is absolutely just trying to force that thing through. Do you think they're going to resign him? I don't know what's going to happen. There's always a report that he's going to take a pay cut. And then they'll franchise tech Pollard or just like, I don't know.

Pollard, I don't think leaves because. it doesn't make sense for him to like rehab an injury and learn a new system with a new team. It's like you should rehab and go back to the place where you don't have to worry about learning new stuff so much. Right. And then Zieg has to take a pay cut. But like he thinks Zeke's Emmett Smith.

They paid Michael Gallup. Like Michael Gallup did not tear his ACL at the end of the season. They gave him like three years, 50-something million, didn't they? They paid him like he didn't get. He had to have another surgery after the year to like clean up something with his knees. He definitely was not like fully healthy at the end of the season.

You know how you sometimes, you ever set an alarm like an aspirational alarm? And you get to news like, and you get up an hour later. You were never going to get up at that time. That's how Jerry... Imagine getting up when your alarm went off. Yeah.

I was kind of psycho does that. All the deals that Jerry Jones signs are like the first alarm you set. You're like, oh, I'll pay, yeah, Michael Gallup, 57 million? Yeah, that'll, of course. I think he's going to come back and be really good next year. I don't think it was healthy. I agree. I feel like we've been hearing about this is going to be the Michael Gallup year for four straight years and it never happens.

I'm so sick of drafting him on my fantasy team. This is how you know it's a good time. Maybe it is. That's a buy if I've ever heard it now. I guess it's the ultimate buy. Okay. So they fired Kellenore. Next up here.

Sorry Tom Tom, by the way. My God, what a tough. We've lost that. That's done. Tom Tom is dead. We'll be behind the curtain here.

There's no internet on Radio Row, which makes absolutely no sense. Killing the magic. So we don't have the timer pulled up at the moment. We literally can't get a timer. So that's tough. Well, I want to use my watch,

but I turn on Siri so often by accident. We could do a timer if we really tried, like on our phone or something, but whatever. The Cowboys mutually ported ways. Right. with Kellyn Moore. And then the charges

mutually joined with, they hired him. Like immediately. Yeah, like five hours. Yeah. And then so everyone was yelling about Joe Lombardi'd be gone

and now Kellen Moore's there and we'll see. I mean, I'm excited about it. I think it's great. I think if, especially if you look at the, the breadth of Lombardi's career in terms of what he's done with specific quarterbacks.

Going back to. Joe Lombardi, not Vince. Right. When you go back to the Lions, when he was, you know, coordinating or calling place for the lion,

like Matt Stafford was a checkdown king. You know, obviously with Drew Breeze, like he was losing his arm strength or whatever. But like this, what he did was Stafford relative to like what Stafford has done the rest of his career. And then what he did in terms of like the offensive structure with with Justin Herbert last year where there was a lot of checkdowns, a lot of really low like a low a dot offense just in general. Well, you just mentioned two of the five quarterbacks are the best arms of our lifetime. Right. It's like the five best arms of our light term are Rogers Mahomes, Stafford, Herbert and some, I guess Josh Allen. and like two of those guys he turned into Drew Brees.

Yeah. And it's just like, I'm just really excited to see what Herbert's going to look like outside of this Joe Lombardi offense. You know, if they're going to push the ball down the field more, if they're going to design plays that like get him to like, you know, not get rid of the ball so quickly. Things like that. I'm really excited to see how that does.

Yeah, I mean, look what he did with Dak. Well, you're the third string quarterback for the Chargers, Craig. So how do you feel about working with Kellum? I couldn't be happier. I mean, don't they say with Dak, Dak is like one of the smarter quarterbacks in the league and Kellan and him really like had a great chemistry. Herbert's a smart guy too.

I'm really excited to see Herbert and Kellan Moore actually like put together an offense that is suited to Herbert's skill set. Yeah, like what he wants to do. And I hope that they can also bring it. I think they need a little bit more talent on the offense, to be honest. There's also this buzz that they'll cut Keenan Allen

to get under the cap. And on one hand, I get it because Keenan Allen is set to make like $20 million. And that's a lot for Keenan Allen. On the other hand, I'm like, there are a lot of ways to get under the cap and I'm like, it would save them a $15 million. And it's like, dude, if they cut Keenan Allen

and there's, first of all, Keenan Allen immediately is the best for agent receiver. And like, then they need. And Keenan Allen has been good. I mean, he got hurt this year finally. He's been pretty much healthy for like six straight seasons. He has 100 catches every single year. And he hurt his hamstring this year and missed the majority of the season. They also didn't draft a receiver last year.

So they have to draft a receiver this year. Yeah. They cut Keenan Allen. They have to draft like two receivers. Well, if you cut Keenan Allen, you have Mike Williams, who has trouble saying on the field, is pushing 30. And then kind of like Josh Palmer, Josh Palmer, DeAndre Carter, like,

Gerald Everett, he's like, on a one-year deal, right? I don't know if they- I think he's a cut candidate. I think-Jare-River's gone. They kind of have to like massively overhaul their receiving group if they cut Keenan Allen. I'm a sucker for this,

but it's also not, I don't think it should be underrated that Keen Allen has, like, been a good soldier. And like, it doesn't always work well in the locker when you kind of shiv a veteran who's been through like pretty fucking tough situation with the charges of like being irrelevant,

going through the charge. I mean, all the losses that they've gone through and Keenan has just like been there. And it's like, unless he wants to go, like, I don't know. Sometimes it's tough to shiv someone. And then also perhaps that lingering, like, if you can fix it, it's one thing. If you have a replacement to shiv a veteran locker room leader and then like maybe go through the whole season being like, oh, you know what? Probably needed that guy.

You know what I mean? I would love that they just said fuck it and like dropped a bag for Chris Godwin or something like that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Well, the free agent class and the receiver position is not very good. No. If you're the bucks, should you just sell Evans? like should Evans and Godwin just be traded as a package deal?

No. Who can just do that? No one's going to do that. Just do it. Why not? Bears. I've never seen that before. That would be pretty funny. I'm into the idea that the bucks just tank, start playing Gabbert, trade literally all of their players. Cal Trask. Kyle Trask.

Is it Gabbard there too? Can I give you guys a trade right now? Wow. I started this. This is really dumb and not realistic. However, it's brilliant. Justin Fields. No.

I already don't like it. Justin Fields for Godwin and Evans. Jraft price down. First overall. Well, because then the Bears can just go gay. Just give the bucks Justin Fields. And then the Bears can get Bryce Young and then now you have two receivers. And the Bears have $100 million in caps.

So they actually could take both receivers. Am I crazy to think that? No, you know what? I actually don't hate that. Isn't that nuts? Justin Fields could fetch more than that, though, don't you think? Okay, yeah. The bucks have to send a pick to the first rounder.

First rounder, Evans and got one. Sure. Why not? But it's kind of like better for everybody. I mean, it's not like I love the Bears for Justin Fields. But the bucket ears are not necessarily set up for long-term success either. They're like rebuilding. Why would they, why would,

because they need a quarterback. He wouldn't be any better going to the bucking ears. Why don't they just send them both to the Packers for Jordan Love and then Rogers comes back. Done. Whoa. I don't know. It just blew his mind. I love this package deal thing.

It's fun. Yeah, it is. Otherwise, speaking of package deals. So we mentioned last week on the show that Sean Payton signed with the Broncos and you were on that show, Craig. Our basic take was just like, it's probably good trade if Sean Payton's all in. I don't know if it's awesome that if Payton Manning, Sean Payton was just, God,

the Peyton Manning, George Payton, Sean Payton is so confusing. but if Sean Payton's like, oh yeah, I don't really know if I want this Broncos job, but they're going to pay me $100 million in five years. So yeah, I'll take it. Like, you know what I was looking at up because it's hard to find coaching compensation? It's double. He used to, he had a five-year deal for like 46 and now it's like five years about 96. That's what he's making in Denver?

It's five years, something like that. It starts with a nine because it's about $18 million a year for five years. I mean, it's guaranteed. I think Sean Payton is going to be on the team longer than Russell Wilson. So 85. I just did the mouth of my head. It seems likely, actually. also this whole thing with his quarterbacks coach

is going to be an interesting wrinkle in this whole story so basically a reporter asked Sean Payton the other day when he did his introductory presser that you know are you is he okay with like having Russell Wilson's private quarterback's coach? That's a package deal. Russell Wilson packaged deal with his quarterback coach.

Apparently he had like full access to the you know facilities last year like he was at the you know at their practice facilities all that stuff and Peyton was like, no, that's foreign to me. That's not going to happen here. And if you ever have seen anything with Russell Wilson's agent, like some shenanigans are going to have. I feel like there's going to be a massive path. Can you elaborate for people who are not like been covering the Searcks for 12 years?

He basically is just like, you know, he tries to strong arm the team more or less. Like he has for years. By calling every reporter who writes anything about Russell Wilson's team? Basically, yeah, like, you know, I don't know. I don't have a specific example on the top of. in my mind, but from what I understand it's, like, you know, he is, he's, Russell Wilson's, like, his only football client. He's a baseball agent.

He literally, Russell wasn't signed with this guy because he, was the, there was some random Duke player who transferred to Syracuse and try to do baseball and football or something, Greg Paulus? Yeah. Anyway, so he represented Greg Paulus to the basketball for the two-sport thing. And I think Russell Wilson just was like, you did two sports. Yeah, yeah. And I could be something like that.

Yeah, Paulus played point guard at Duke for like four years and then went to go be the quarterback at Syracuse. Yeah. Anyhow, I think his name is Mark Rogers, but anyways, there's like a history there of like the Seahawks and Russell Wilson's agent. And of course, like teams and agents don't get along all the time.

That's like very common. But from everything that I've heard, it was like really contentious relationship. And so like with Peyton saying this about Russell Wilson, I'm wondering if Russell Wilson and his team are going to like really push back on this and how it's going to work. Well, because now, I mean,

John Peyton is like the big man on campus. Bill always says who gets the table at the restaurant. Like in Denver now, Sean Payton gets the table over Russell Wilson, especially after the last season. Sean Payton is smart enough to invite Russell Wilson to the table, but yes. Like, what's more likely now, D.K., with Sean Payton there, who's objectively like a great mind and a good coach and has a great track record? Do you think it's more likely that the Seahawks, I mean that the Broncos are

five and 12 this season or 12 and 5? Probably 5 and 12. Oh, really? Well, I don't know. I do think that Wilson is going to be better than he was last year. But 12 and 5 in that division, I don't know. That doesn't feel very likely. I mean, that's what we all expected them to be this year.

It was probably around 11.12 wins. I know, but then we saw the reality of what Russell Wilson is now in his career. But the defense is still incredible. Defense is very, like it varies year to year. Like, it's not a lot of predictability there. But the offense, look, that's such a hard. I would say 5 and 12 because it's just easier to be 5 and 12 because two people can, Like Russell wasn't get hurt and it's like as good as it.

What did they, how many games they win this year? I think around that. Four or five. Actually, maybe it's like if Russell Wilson gets hurt, that's the path to 12 and five. I mean, yeah, it's very hard to like predict, but I would say. No one. Okay. Is that not funny?

No, that was funny. Oh, okay. Who's their backup quarterback right now? Was it Brett Rippin still? Rippin. I wonder, do you think Taysam Hills is going to come to the Broncos? I mean, he's got to. We got to figure out a way to make this happen.

I learned that you cannot add a player in a, in a coach trade deal. It is, oh, you can? You're not allowed to package a player with a coach. Well, that's why Tasingwell hasn't been traded yet. That's why. So is it Derek? Oh, no, that's on the Raiders. Derek, maybe the Saints trade for Derek Carr,

just to send Carr and taste a middle to the Broncos for. It's like a three-way? Yeah, we just do like a little thruple. Three-way deal. A lot of fake trades on the spot today. Yeah. We're really like going through it. All right.

Next up here, Panthers hired Frank Reich to be their head coach. First offensive coach in Panthers history. Really? Which is, I know. I mean, they've only been around for like 30 years or whatever, but still. They hired Arrow Everett as their defensive coordinator and the smart people,

like Stephen and the X's and those people think it's like a great combo. Right, right. Draft-wise, I saw that Frank Reich, so he's an NFL, he was an NFL quarterback, and he's six-foot-four, and he's basically been coaching for like 30 years, and he's never coached a quarterback who was under 6-3. Kind of like Bryce Young's out for the Panthers, because Will Levison Stroud are 6-3. Yeah.

It would not be surprising. I think the number one thing you glean from the Frank Reich hire is that they want to have a guy who can come in and develop a quarterback. that speaks, that says to me, we're going to go get a quarterback in this draft. They're in the position to do it. They're at number nine. They can trade up if they need to or they can just sit

where they are and maybe take a guy there. But I mean, yeah, I could definitely see them liking Will Levis. Like, he is, he is Carson Wenzi. You know what I mean? Like, maybe that's actually a bad thing for Reich now. But like, Reich still loves Wentz. He went to bat for Wentz.

He's the reason the Colts got him. Even when they had to get rid of Carson Wentz, Reich was like crying. And in terms of nature versus nurture, landing spot-wise, how do you feel about the Panthers and Frank Reich for a guy like a Levis or Stroud, let's say. Yeah. Good. It's definitely not the worst.

Like, they've got DJ Moore. You know, they have a, I think, a offensive line that's getting better. And like, it's a young offense line, but it's getting better. They had that left tackle last year, and he got better as a year went on. They kind of have zero skill position players other than DJ Moore. Yeah, but like, I just, I think coaching's the most important thing. Terris Marshall, but he hasn't really done anything. Solid defense.

Yeah. They have a really good young defense. You can add players, but the death knell for young quarterbacks is changing the offensive coordinator a lot. Like, if you look at all the quarterbacks, to honest, the 20 years that have succeeded, more or less, almost all of them had either the right coordinator off the bat or they fired him and they had the right coordinator second. Right. It's the opposite of what Alex Smith went through. Alex Smith, Baker Mayfield. Like, Baker had four offenses in five years.

And if you count transferring in college, like seven offenses and like eight. They had a good run game at the end of the year, the Panthers. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's like a good support system for a young quarterback. Well, they're gone now. All those people were fired. All the people that were in the run game? Oh, the players.

Right. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you big Chuba Hubbard, Deonté Foreman guy. I think Deonté Foreman's a free agent, but like, it's more about the offensive line. Speaking of the people who were fired and or not retained, so this is not so fun, but the Panthers, so they did not hire Steve Wilkes, who was the defense coordinator who replaced Matt Roel. And it's almost kind of been forgotten how bad the Panthers were at the beginning of the season with

Matt Roll. And Steve Wilkes takes over, this team that was abysmal. They go six and six. The Panthers almost win the division, make the playoffs. Yeah, they really got hot, like, at the end there. Bill's favorite team at the end of the year. Yeah. So Steve Wilkes was not hired, and he's black defense coordinator for the Panthers,

and he's part of the Brian Flores civil discrimination lawsuit. So there's no indication he's like suing the Panthers, but his lawyers did release a statement saying that they were basically really upset and mad that Steve Wilkes did not earn the job. Right. And so we're in this weird spot right now where, like, the Super Bowl we're at right now in Phoenix. It's like a huge story. Like literally is the first thing my homes and hurts.

about on Monday night by anybody was like two black quarterbacks starting the Super for the first time you know it's a milestone and then also general managers like there's a quarter of the leagues almost the general managers are black which is like a huge improvement obviously historically but then coaching we're back to you know in a league with 70% black players we're back to like basically 10% of the coaches because we're back to Mike Tomlin Todd Bowles and Dimeke Oryans just got hired by the Texans and has three black head coaches and then also Mike McDaniels identifies as biration so we're at 4 at a 32 So like going forward and the GMs and stuff, but like the coaching,

the Panthers one was kind of tinged. And then it's the same thing. It's the same thing with the cults though, which is weird, which is we can get into, which is like the zany, hilarious fun side show on one hand. We're like 13 interviews,

eight guys did the second round? Like Jim Ursay was in Josh McDaniels's bathroom for an hour. Did we talk about with this? We did. We did. We talked about it on the pod, didn't we? Oh, you did. I think you were.

Yeah. Erse and the bathroom for that hour for that pot? Yeah, you were. He was. I mean, he remembers that he was. I remember definitely laughing. my ass off.

You remember it for it was. One hour. Yes. It's like a dumb and dumber situation, I think. Absolutely insane. And it's like, I actually think that the Ursaid Bathrooms thing is the single funniest thing that has come out of the off season. I don't think it's going to be a meeting.

And having said that, it's almost like, but if he goes through this and hires Jeff Saturday, it will kind of poison the whole vibe because everyone's going to be the whole, the Jeff Saturday thing pissed off everybody in the coaching world. Because on one hand, it was funny. In the other hand, it's like, they skipped over, they took someone who had no coaching experience at college in the NFL. and it was like pretty insulting to coaches, especially black coaches. And then if you, if you hire Saturday, this is so obviously like a boondoggle of like,

they're literally putting on a show to be like, look how hard we worked just to arrive at the guy that I already wanted anyway. And so it's like if you hire Saturday, it's going to be, I don't know, what's two notches below a fiasco? But like, it's going to be bad. Yeah. No, that's above. Okay. It's going to be bad. Yeah.

And so, I don't know, it's just kind of think it's been hanging over the Broncos. What's your prediction right? They're hiring just Saturday, right? I don't think so. I don't want to be cynical. I kind of think. I don't know. I don't know.

I really don't know. I mean, I've lost track of who they've all interviewed at this point. Well, they're interviewing apparently Wing Martindale, the giant who changed the Giants defense. You know, there's a lot. I mean, there's eight guys. Do you want me to read the list? Yes.

Oh my God. Okay. So the list that they've interviewed. This is the second round. The Shane Steichen, who's the Eagles offensive coordinator, Rehimorris, is the Rams defensive coordinator. Brian Kallin is the Bengals' offensive coordinator. Wink for the Giants.

Lions defense coordinator, Aaron Glenn. Rich Passachi, who's the Packer, Teams coach, Coach Beard, who's the AFC Richmond assistant coach, and Jeff Saturday. Well, I want to hand, like, this does feel like a total just like performance by them, like basically interviewing everybody in the freaking league. On one hand, I can kind of like credit teams. Like, they should probably take their time on this decision because it's a very important decision.

But it's like been ridiculous at this point. I agree. But if they make a smart decision, it validates all of the time they spent, right? Like if they hire an offensive coordinator or a Martindale or something that everybody respects, then it will make all this theoretically worth it. I'm so glad you mentioned Wedly make a smart decision. Did you see that, look at this tweet from Jim Mersey.

He tweeted this. We're recording this Wednesday. He tweeted this Tuesday. It's a week of Super Bowl. We said, comma, as an organization. There's no space between the cards. We said comma as an organization. He tweets more deranged than Schaefter does.

Sometimes you read a tweet from someone. You're like, oh, their PR team wrote this. I've never been more confident in my life that Jimerser says. We said comma as an organization, but this is the fight. Parentheses, cults. Football emoji As an organization Colts

My favorite part is the football emoji After Colts The coaching search would be an open-minded And thorough process dot dot dot And the final decision To be strictly based on comma No space What is best for our franchise of success

And best for our fans Comma of Colts Nation football emoji Thumb Up dot dot dot two dots Final decision coming in days Not ours Football emoji I'm gonna say to tweet like this When the Super Bowl's over

About like what happens to the fantasy feed I'm gonna be like We as a as the ringer finish football show, parentheses, podcast. No, it's we as a podcast, parentheses, Rear Fantasy Football Show. Okay.

Last year, Jets hired Nate Hackett, which I guess we mentioned up talked about that. We fired Matt Fleur, but yeah, or my, sorry, Michael Fleur,

and then Michael Fleur went to Sean McVe and the Rams, and we hit all that. Yeah, it's all like the McVeigh family. Makes the last sense. Yeah, I don't know.

I have very little thoughts about Nate Hackett going to the Jets. I already expressed my thoughts on that. I think it's like a very obvious ploy to get Aaron Rogers and Johnson wants Nate Hackett. Right. And with Lafleur, like, that's fine. McVeigh's still going to be calling the plays, right?

You're Sean McVeigh's younger brother. I am. What do you make of McVeigh, like, is he just going to debate retirement like every year? He's the youngest head coach in the NFL and he's got burnout, which I get. It's remarkable that he's still the youngest head coach. He still is. I believe he's been the coach for six seasons and he's still the youngest head coach in the league. It's kind of insane.

You think he's 36 years old? Not to get real, but like, I feel like you know him like, not well, but like more than 99.9% of people. For like a summer. Yeah. You're not like, you're not like, if you did call your brother, but like,

I'm just saying you better, some of those isn't better than 99.9% of people. What do you make of like, is he just going to keep having this existential crisis after every season? I honestly,

I think yes. And I think it's who he is as a person. He's an incredibly nice, generous guy and he wants to do well and he's incredibly intelligent. And I honestly think that the weight of his job and wanting to succeed at the level

that he thinks he's capable of, is so much work and so much pressure on him that it weighs on him and he's a guy who doesn't want to coach forever he doesn't want to be a 25 year coach is what he told me and I know he cares about a staff lot he doesn't want to screw people over

he doesn't like jerking them around so I do think that he really does struggle with like the kind of the Sophie's choice of like do I want to stay and like be the best I can be which is like burning the midnight oil burning the kennel on both ends sleeping five hours a day

because I know that if I do that, I can be one of the best coaches in the league or one of the best coaches ever. But also that's just like really fucking hard to do for somebody who's like started at 30 years old. Like you're looking at 30 more years doing that. 40 more. So my gut, so when you,

when you say that, well, he said he didn't want to coach for 25. Dika, you have like more life experience than us. And you're only 13 years older, but honestly, I kind of think you've had twice as much because you've been an adult for twice as long as we've been adults,

if you know what I mean? I'm still not an adult in my. That's what I'm saying. But like, don't people all the time kind of like, yeah, I don't want to keep doing this? And then you just kind of keep doing it, like day by day. And you look up in 10 years. If you've, if you've been 9 to 5 and you sell insurance, that's not the same as Sean McVey coaching for 14 hours a day. Right.

Especially when he has the access to the type of money he has access. Bill Belichick literally said the same thing. And I kind of do think that there was like a Sith Lord like Bill Belichick, like is Sean McVeigh 30 years in the future. Like, because here's thing, the way McVeigh, like, I feel like doesn't have that much joy from winning more like relief from not losing. Doesn't that most remind you of Belich and Sabin? So you're calling bullshit and you think McVeigh's going to be around for two decades. It's not bullshit. I think that it's just...

Well, if you're that competitive and you're wired that way to become a head coach, like you have to be... I mean, head coach is in the NFL. Like, you have to be the hardest working person, like, in a group of people that's already, like, one of the hardest working people that you've ever been around. So you have to be like a type A in amongst a group of type A's. And so I think what Hyatt is saying is like,

maybe he says he wants to get out of it or whatever, but like his actual, you know, like, who he is is just going to keep him there. I think that, so Bill, the thing I always think about with this conversation is Bill Belichick, I forget the name of the coach. Marv's, he basically was like, I never want to be this guy who coached Lee was 70 years old. Bill Belichick is over 70 years old now. And he, like,

has someone, he's joked about it, but like, yeah, I never thought I would, but here I am. I don't know. I just think times are different now. It's different generations, for sure, too. I mean, literally, like, leaving your job is not as big of a deal as it was, when Bill Belichick's 70 is like, like, McVeigh, when he's, was he 37, 36? Yeah, something like that. I think it's quite

literally so exhausting and he just won the Super Bowl and kind of like already experienced like his dream. Right. Like it's probably pretty weird to like reach your climax at like 35. He made more Super Bowls than Sean Payton did. You know? So I think he's like, all right. I have a lot of other things that I can do in my life.

He probably wants to get into television. Yeah. And he had a tough year. He lost his grandfather. He just got married. His wife is Ukrainian. Yeah. Like there was a lot going on.

And I just think he's like, all right, I'm a bit overwhelmed. And maybe I can dedicate my entire mental capacity right now to football. and if I can't do that, I'm not respecting my team. And when you say lost his grandfather, it almost doesn't get mentioned enough that, like, his grandfather was the architect of the 49ers. And like the Niners draft room,

like what Carl Shannon and John Lynch draft out of it, it's called the John McVeigh draft room. And not only that, he was super close with them and spent a lot of time with them and his childhood growing up with them. Which is why he's the way he is. Yeah. So, you know, it's tough out there for these millennials. He's a millennial.

Dude, yeah. It's just like, boom, tough. Oh, man. Like I have trouble now And I think like I have a friend who works at J.P. Morgan And she works like 90 hours a week. And I'm like, damn, you make great money. But for the rest of your life, that's a lot.

That's a long, at a lot of hours to be grinding. Think of, that's a sports center commercial with the Oregon ducks typing. And he looks at the window and all the ducks in the pond are quacking. He's like, yeah. Just yearning for better days.

That's McVeigh. He's like, he's like crunching, at like 1 a.m. He looks outside and sees like a guy like riding his bike through the park and he's like, fuck, that could be me. Oh my good.

That was awesome. You guys want to do emails? Yeah. Okay. I got an email from Rachel. Rachel. Rachel. So in yesterday's episode

where our Super Bowl preview slash Burger King interview. Rachel says you guys talked about torque and horsepower and not knowing what they are. Yeah. If you really want to feel dumb, take a guess at how much horsepower

one horse has. Wow. This is such a good trivia question. It was not... Obviously, it's not one. Or I imagine she would not have emailed us. I have not seen it. But obviously, it's not one.

Dumb answers on Jeopardy? Like, how many... How many horsepower does one horse? How many horsepower does one horse? Or what's heavier? A pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? No, my favorite question we've ever gotten was the... How much does a cloud weigh?

This might be top ten, though. How much does fog way? I use the cloud trivia question like all the time with my friends. That's my favorite thing. I'm still pretty convinced. It's like... It's 1.4 billion pounds. You said like five pounds.

He said three. It was like, actually, it's like a billion. I was like, zero. I don't get it. Well, it's fucking floating. Don't think of it like a cloud. Think of it like all the, what's the weight of all the rain from a storm? I don't get, I still don't get it.

It doesn't make any sense. Five pounds. It doesn't make it how floats. By the way, somebody, somebody tweeted. So your shoes with rain, really. Somebody tweeted. I simply don't get how it floats. Sorry.

No, it's okay. I don't get the atmosphere. What's the whole thing? You actually know what it is? It's water ice. It's like, the cloud is like the holy ghost of the Trinity. So if a cloud fell on a building, it would collapse the building. What?

If it rained. If it was concentrated into one thing, yeah. Okay. So if you froze a cloud, it would be a one billion pound block of ice. I don't think I'm qualified to answer that question. What were you saying with the Twitter? I was just saying, I didn't know what the definition of torque was yesterday. Somebody tweeted out me that it's force times distance.

Yeah. how long you can fucking pull something. Force times distance. How hard and long can you pull something? That's why it's like F4 and F150s. It's like it can pull a bus. We should just like spend a lot of time trying to explain torque. Should we get Dennis Larry on this podcast and just like keep saying torque?

Yeah, what's Rachel up to? Oh, yeah. So we got to figure how much horse is a horse? How much it is a horse? Two. I'm going to say two. That's. I'm going to say 10.

Oh, boy. 7.6. What the fuck? The answer is 15. That doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't make any sense. Why did they name it horsepower? Dude, that should be like a legal disclaimer.

Like the drug ads, they have to put all the side effects. They should have to have the Ford F150, 15,000 horsepower. It's like actually just 1,000 horses. God damn it. Interesting. That's crazy. So if a car has like 300 horsepower, it's not 300 horses. It's actually like...

You can't divide 300 by 15. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's 20. Yeah, it's 20 horses. Wow. Okay, all right. We got an email from True. True.

True. So yesterday we argued about the haphazard thing because you guys get mad at me because I mispronounced. What did I mispron? Oh, the. I said, guys, your counter. There's like, guy or counter. I can't say half hazard and you're like, it's haphazard. I'm like, I know, but I know I'm wrong.

But like, graph is how am I supposed to know that? So anyway, I was like, there's no words to have that. And True is like, bitch. Shepard. Suck it. I'm so happy. The other ones, I think, are BS because they're all two words that can put together. So flop house loophole, peepole.

Those are like loophole. Like those are two words that got put together. Shepard's legit. Shepard is one. I still think it's not crazy. I know I do it more than most, though. Words. Thank you, true.

We got one from Jorge. Jorge. It's questions a few weeks too late, but with how the NFC championship game played out, do you think the 49ers and Kyle Shannon regret not picking up Baker Mayfield when he was on waivers? I recall Shannon explicitly saying they had no intention of adding him but like if Mayfield had been in the NFC championship game instead of Josh Johnson like could the Niners have won the game? Yeah, that's a good question.

I think they really just didn't think he was any good. Like I think they legitimately thought everybody they had was better. It's yet another instance of the Rams stealing a quarterback from the Niners. So here's what I think happened. So the way that waivers were, it's actually exactly like fantasy football. The Rams had a higher pick than the Niners. And I think as soon as Kyle Shannon knew that Sean McVey was going to take Baker, you don't put the pick in because then Brock Perth,

you have a real-life PR problem of like Brock Purdy. Oh, right. And then you have to deal with the questions of like, oh, you don't believe in Brock or Tray Lance or Jimmy. Like you wanted Baker. So they were maybe hoping he cleared waivers and then they could just add him. No, they were just like Sean's going to get him. So why put, why create a PR news cycle when we have no chance of getting him?

Having said that, what if the Niners got Baker? Baker has an amazing. Like, I know it's crazy, but like, dude, Josh Johnson. He would have been better than Josh Johnson. He doesn't fumble a shotgun snap in his hands and hand the Eagles a touchdown for half time. Of course. Like, all he did,

even if he just got 20 more yards in that drive, it's like 14 to 10 and half time. And he'd be the next Nick Foles. Oh, boy. Isn't that wild? Can you imagine if Baker had won that? Also, Eagles fans,

after we like spent 10 minutes being like, are the Eagles frauds? Listen to this right now? I think Chris Ryan slacked us this morning and basically threatened our lives. I feel like when we talked about the Eagles yesterday. Yeah.

He was like, I love the show. show. I was walking around London listening to it. However, what the literal fuck? It's like I'm outside the British Museum. What the fuck? If you're an Eagles fan and you were like, I kind of

hate these guys for shit talking the Eagles yesterday. Just know that like we have what is Chris I don't know. Bosses, bosses, I don't even know. We have executives at our company might inflict bodily harm if they were not content in a way. I was a little bold by just like our Super Bowl previews, first words in the title was just Eagles fraud

watch. Well, here's the thing, though. The best team in the league all season. No real sign that they're frauds whatsoever, and I just launched that into the title. The Eagles, though, have covered every game and they've lost one game with the starting quarterback, and they've been winning for basically every moment of the season.

But is that a good thing? That scares me. I'm just saying, like, I prefer teams who've been losing more because those have adversity. Yeah, they've been through something. Yeah. You know? yeah it makes a lot of sense

most successful people in life usually had hard upbring they got like that grit they got the dog in them that's right yeah Rocky lost what are the eagles they're like they're like a nepo baby you know they just like waltzing through life Rocky would not have been Rocky if he had won

every moment of every fight he would have he just chaos Apollo 12 oh and rocky one wasn't there like a line in 50 cent song like sunny days wouldn't be great if it wasn't for rain you know what I mean like yeah how are And it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Yeah, there we go. I think that sums it up.

What are we even talking about? I have no idea. I just kind of wanted to make the fleet people mad. All right. We'll have Ben Solick on tomorrow. Who's an Eagles fan? So if you're mad at us, so I can yell at us.

All right. Thank you, Dekai, thank you to Kai for producing. Thank you to everyone for listening. Thank you again to the Burger King guys for yesterday. Oh, yeah, that was fun. Whopper, Wopper, Wopper. Check that out. That was really fun.

Four of them. Thank you, Lorne. Lorne. Thank you. Drake. I already said that a million times. You can't just keep naming mega famous rappers. I can tell he's been working really hard this week

because you haven't been listening to music, clearly. Right. Like you don't have anyone. Usually I feel like you're just kind of like who we've been listening to last couple days. Oh, God. Maroon 5. But you just said that because literally on yesterday's pod,

you asked about the half-time show. How else do people think of things? Not going to like recall. Recall. It's all right. Maroon 5. I used to really like Maroon 5. Yeah.

I thought like, was the album Sundays with Jane or something like that? Oh my gosh. Songs about Jane. Yeah. And Sunday was a song on it. Sunday morning rain. I'm not going to do that.

It's a fantastic album. Would you, would any of you like to take a crack at Sunday morning rain falling? Sunday morning rain is falling. That's all. Did you ever sing in high school? Were you in plays? No.

I did do like, I did not like sing, but we, my high school, we did this thing called lip sync. So you actually don't sing. But anyway. I'm not a good singer.

I'm a, I'm a thespian. At heart. If you didn't sing, though. Right. Oh, well,

All, all right, so here's, all right, this is actually a good story. Oh, good. All right, what are we? A minute five in? He's like, all right, I got a story for you. Or hour five in? When I was in high school, there was like a, like a shop class, like woodwork. And basically the class was we had to make all the wood.

It's crazy that they let high schoolers do this stuff. It was like a free period with chain, like sauce. Like very dangerous. Like, same with chemistry. And also feel so like outmoded now to be like, you're going to work with your hands for a class. It's like, how irrelevant is that now? Yeah, they didn't teach me to like code. They didn't teach me to pay taxes or use Microsoft to

sell, but like, yeah, they told me, I don't invest money. No, no, please. But no, but we, so there was like a free tool, but basically, there was like no homework except you had to spend like three hours after school painting some room. And I just didn't go. Was this just a subtle way of tricking kids into just repainting the school? Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

It was like, and so anyway, I didn't go and the guy liked me and he was like, all right, I can't give you an A if you don't put it in the work, but make it up to me, I want you to try out for the school play. Or I like, will not give you credit for any homework all year. Why would your woodworking teacher want you to try out for the school play? Because he was also the stage director for the play. That's why the woodworking class was making the sets. So he's like, you have to try out for the play.

So I go out and I have to try out for this fucking play. So I walk on stage. This is like the plot of a rom-com. And it's literally, I go out there and it's three people go out there. And it's me. It's going to fall for a girl with glasses and a ponytail now. Literally, girls play glass and pony car. It was the two presidents of the players club.

They were like dating and they were like ran the theater kid club. And they're like, all right, everyone, give us your best thing. And they're like, la, la, la, la. And she's like, oh, no, no, no. And then I'm like, la, la, la, la. And they're like, no, no, no. Different key. And I'm like, you do the fall la la la la.

Like, you have to do that? I just sing like a line. I don't remember the words were, but it was like different key. And I'm like, wopper, wopper, wopper, wopper, wopper. But I'm like, I still to the day don't actually know what key is. I don't either. Or pitch. And I had, it was like 10 minutes.

And then they gave me. That's brutal. it really embarrassing? They did you do it for 10 minutes? Yeah. So I was like, okay. Honestly, they could tell within five seconds. I'm not going to make it. I guess I wasn't singing for 10 minutes. I was there for 10 minutes since they were doing most of it. So at least I was like, all right, I'm not in the play now. And then they gave me a non-speaking role. Probably the rest. You're a tree? Yeah. It was a pope, which is ironic because I'm Jewish,

but. Nice. Anyway. All right. That's a good story. That's all we got. Goodbye, everyone.