The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking Chiefs Trade Targets, Davante Adams Wants Out, and Triviagate

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

POWER HOUR! The guys discuss the most interesting players who the Chiefs should trade for in the wake of Rashee Rice’s injury, including a disgruntled Davante Adams, a misused Amari Cooper, an old friend, and much more (3:43). Plus, Fantasy Court and emails (45:35)! Davante Adams just requested a trade so…(11:16) The Chiefs know this guy pretty well (13:47) The world is a better place when Amari Cooper has a good QB (16:03) DeAndre Hopkins is a risk, but it might be worth it (18:22) Christian Kirk is only 27 years old (22:02) Heifetz hates him, but maybe Mahomes would love him (25:19) Is Treylon Burks an off-brand Rashee Rice? (28:23) Stop trying to make Elijah Moore happen (33:59) Remember Dameon Pierce’s rookie year? What a time (36:19) A pair of Giants (38:36) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Guest: Chris Ryan Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Today it is Power Hour, where we power rank something. every Wednesday, but we're coming to right now on Tuesday, live on the Ringer NFL YouTube channel. Please subscribe to the Ring NFL YouTube channel where we'll be doing the Power Hour live on Tuesday every week this season. And today we were Power Ranking. The players who want to see traded to the Kansas City Chiefs

because I feel like every trade candidate, it's just like, can you imagine this guy on the Chiefs, right, Craig? Yeah, the team that continues to win without Tyree Kill, we're going to talk about why they should trade for Tyrant Kill. DK., we were basically going to be like, oh, let's look at all these players who could realistically be traded. specifically all these receivers who could get dealt. But realistic, no, it's just where you're like,

oh, imagine this guy in Kansas City. Imagine that guy in Kansas City. That'd be awesome. Yeah, it's been like this for, I don't know, five years or something like that. Everyone just wants to imagine there's receivers with Patrick Mahomes, even though Mahomes has sort of turned into a checkdown king over the last year or so. So, I don't know. This is a little bit tongue in cheek,

but we actually do want to see these guys get traded to the Chiefs. So, yeah, obviously, Rashid Rice has this knee injury for the Chiefs, which he's torn ACL out for the season or not? And they haven't confirmed it. Maybe it's an MCL forks. I don't know what the delay is. This is super weird. I feel like it's not a torn ACL.

They would know that. Unless it's more than a torn. It's like three torn things and they can't. But like usually they get hurt on Sunday, Monday morning, it is confirmed torn ACL surgery soon. It's very odd that they're like, oh, we'll check back in in a few days, maybe next week. So a lot of, you know, analysts will be like, well, I'm not a doctor. But I am a doctor. I'm actually a licensed.

That's right. I'm a medical practitioner. And basically, from what I understand, they do the little leg test that's an industry. term. They do the little leg test on the ACL and they're like, well, we have to do a hammer. They used a little hammer. Yeah. It's like, does the leg move? Your reflexes. Yeah. And if ACL, no movement. And so they're like, all right, we can't tell you it's to an ACL. But when you do the test tomorrow, it's going to tell you that that test was right. And like, 99 at 100 times, they can tell you, they can tell the person if it's an ACL like that day. And this is the 100th out of 100th time where either they don't know if it's an ACL or the chiefs are just like a fantasy manager.

in total and utter denial about it. I can't really tell which. But as soon as we don't know about Rishi Rice goes down, turns out Duvante Adams wants to be traded. So you know what's suspicious timing? You know? Suspicious, yes. Is this all because Antonio Pierce liked a picture on Instagram

saying that Devante Adams might have played his last game in Las Vegas? Yeah. So we're getting to the power in a moment, but I do want to just lay the little ground and work here with the Devonthe Adams who kind of inspired this episode as well. and a lot of like so Kay Adams at Fandall asked a lot of people asked Devante Adams a lot of people think you may never play another down as a raider

how would you respond to that and Devante Adams said all I can control is this talk we're having here and then the next thing I'm on to and one hour later it was reported Devante Adams had requested to trade he would no no no he would prefer to be traded yeah what is that worded. I kind of love

he's like yeah I can control this talk here and then the next thing I'm on to and then the next thing he was on to was I would like a trade. Was this real that Antonio Pierce liked an Instagram post? Is that a real thing or are we, is that like, are you joking about that? I'm actually

I've heard this with a player as a ton but I've never heard this with a coach before. I don't think that's why he wanted to trade but that was the thing that happened. I'm sure it didn't help. I don't know why. I don't understand. Is this like a boomer thing? Why do people like stuff on Instagram? Don't they know it's public? I don't.

You understand. There was a whole article on the cut last week called, why do men comment on porn sites? Why? Why do you, if there's a pretty woman on Instagram, you don't have to like the photo. You still get to see it,

even if you don't like it. You guys have friends who like the Sydney Sweeney pictures? Yeah. And then you're like, what are you doing? Some people just want to be in a part of a community, Craig. You know, there's a community of people.

You're still in, whether you like it or not. Like-minded people, you know, they were liking the same types of things on those porn sites. you know, you're just finding people that are into the same. There's no difference between that and Reddit, Craig.

So Antonio Pierce was in search of a community of people. That's what he was doing by liking that photo. Okay. Honestly, thank God Antonio Pierce was liking the post about, I don't want Devante Adams on the team as opposed to like, yeah, imagine if, you know, he'd just like some, you know, thirst trap. Then, you know, maybe, you know,

maybe Devonthe Adams actually would have stayed. This stuff blows my mind. It really blows my mind. I wouldn't know. If I were a famous person, I would make sure my phone wasn't allowed to like anything. The other thing that I find that, very interesting about this Devante Adams situation is do you remember, I think it was last week,

Antonio Pierce, the head coach said something about he saw some of his players making business decisions out there. When they were down 30. Right. And there's like a conspiracy going around now, which I love, and I'm all in on, that he was, Antonio Pierce was referencing Devante Adams in that comment. And that Devante Adams' reaction to that comment was to make a business decision and have an injured hamstring right after that. and like basically not play for the Raiders ever again.

So, oh, I love that. This is the best. I think we could take the conspiracy off. I think that's just a pretty good thing. I think I don't know if it has to be. It's just like a logical theory.

Yeah. It's just like, like again, I think even when we think an injury might be a little questionable, I think 99 times out of 100, we're like yeah, and this one I'm like, yeah, Sam's true is probably fine.

This makes a lot of sense. You know? Yeah. Yeah. This decision. So yeah, I think, so in honor of this Devante Adams,

trade request, Instagram like fiasco. Oh, he just, that was a wild. Wow, is that natural? Another one. Fiasco. It's Fiasco, yeah. Fiasco.

I like fiasco. It's more fancy. I think it's better. I just feel, I wish I had thought of that the first time I did it to just be like, actually, I like it. I like it in my way. Yeah. I prefer it in my way.

Prefer it in my way. Yeah. So we're going to go through and we're going to do this power style. We're going to power rank a bunch of players we want to see on the Chiefs. And we're like, again, it's tongue-in-cheek. We're like, we know these guys aren't going to go to the Chiefs. I know the Raiders. The Raiders, I genuinely think the Raiders would have Devante Adams sit out the rest of his entire contract before they sent him to the Kansas City Chiefs, who are the division rival, have kicked their butts for eight.

I mean, the Chiefs have eight division titles in a row. So they're not going to send him with the Chiefs. That's kind of stupid in my opinion. I get it. Maybe if you're Mark Davis, like, you're petty and you don't want to send a team in a division. But like, the Raiders suck. They're not just playing against the Chiefs. They're playing against 31 teams in a league.

If you can get a good deal to send him to the Chiefs, who cares? You're not going to be competing with the Chiefs anyway in the next four years. If you can get a second rounder, yeah. But it's like, yeah, in theory, but you're like, you're not competing with the Chiefs. Who cares who you trade him to? You're not competing with these teams right now. But it's your division rival. Like, you're by definition.

You're not rivals. To me, the definition of a rival is like if two teams are somewhat equal and skill. These are not rivals. Yeah, this is different than the Bill's thing where the bills are giving the Chiefs, their chief rival in the conference. Like me playing pick up basketball against my nine-year-old cut. We are not rivals because I will beat him every time, 12 to zero in a game. Right. But the Raiders beat the Chiefs on Christmas like last year.

And so like the Raiders are like, yeah, we could beat them. And then you're like, actually, we'll give them our best player because he's bad. It's just a hard thing to do. I'm not even saying you're wrong. I'm saying it's hard for people to admit that. It's bad optics for the team. I think it's worse optics if it comes out that the best offer came from Kansas City and you denied it because you were petty. Well, I mean, the teams do this.

You're right. I mean, there's a whole thing to this because you can argue it's better to like, give them an aging player and like take a pick from them and then hope that your windows don't align. I agree with that. But the reality is teams, it's not even divisions. Teams are, teams don't want to trade for stuff in the conference because there's also C.Y.A. Cover your ass to it of like, like the Rams and Goff. Like teams generally don't even want to send a quarterback in the conference because they're like, well, on the off chance, that guy beats us in the playoffs, I'll lose my job. And obviously Sean McVeigh didn't because they won the Super Bowl. But like other people with less job

security are just like, if I do that and it bites me in the ass, like I'm done. So there's a certain element of that to it. And then just competitiveness. Like, teams don't make even draft trades, like the Eagles and Cowboys have made some deals in the draft, but teams in the same cities won't do it. The Giants and Jets won't even make trades. You know what I mean? And this is every sport. The Knicks and Nets

when they traded for McCaw-Bridges. The Knits and Nets had not made a trade in like 50 years. Yeah, I think that's dumb. I'd be honest. Didn't the Vikings and Packers make a couple trades over the off-season? Yeah. The Lions and Vikings made a pick, I think the James and Williams thing was, but that's it's exception that proves the rule. It's like that was like the teams making trades with the divisions.

It's so rare to make a trade in the division. And I think that in theory, it's like competitiveness, but then you go through and you're like also fear because what if you're wrong and then you're fired because I get it. I get good teams not wanting to trade good players to other good teams. But if you were a bottom five team in the league with an aging 31 year old superstar and you can get a good deal for him, I don't, I don't see why you wouldn't just trade them to the highest bidder. Well, I think that's the other thing with Devante Adams is like, what are you going to get? form. And I, when we do this power, I want to talk through teams, but it just, what are you going to get? The Raiders, so Adam Schaefter has said for Devanti Adams, Raiders have informed other teams. They would consider trading receiver Devante Adams for a package that would include a second round pick, which means that would include a second round pick, which means they're not going to get a second round pick. They'll get a third. Yeah. I think they would take a third. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, Keenan Allen went for fourth.

It's super similar. So I think, yeah, let's do the power hour. And let's get to the power and let's just go through a bunch of these guys and we think we could be traded. And again, if you don't know what we're talking about right now, it's your first time.

We do this power hour style. So every couple minutes, you're going to hear this sound. Man, that's good. Never gets old. Pure bliss. Pure bliss. And yeah, so we're going to go through

a bunch of receivers we want traded to the Chiefs. And again, I know a lot of these guys won't betray the Chiefs. But I do think these guys can be traded and might be traded, except for a couple of them. we just won't be, but we want them to. So starting with number one, on power ranking receivers,

we want trade to the chiefs. Devante Adams for the Raiders. We know he's not going to go to the chiefs, as we just said. In terms of the list of teams where, like, all right, the Raiders want to trade, he wants to trade. Where's he going to go? Like, you have to, the Jets, obviously. Mm-hmm.

And then outside of, if you're the Jets, and you're like, should you like beat an awful? Who else is trading for DeVante Adams? The entire, I'm stretching. I think the entire list of teams that would even seriously talk about it. are Washington, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Dallas. And I think that's a stretch.

Did you, did you mention Dallas? I feel like Dallas, we could throw in there. I said Dallas, but Stephen Jones said a day ago, we're not making any calls at the deadline. Yeah,

but lying is the best, you know? That's true. Lying sick. Yeah, honestly, Devante Adams, they probably could use Devante Adams. But,

I mean, they among all these teams, I feel like really need a number two. The Jets make a ton of sense, obviously, because of the Brady thing. I mean, Pittsburgh. Or sorry, because of the Aaron Rogers thing.

Yeah, Pittsburgh. Do you think Tevanti Adams would want to play with Justin Fields? No, I think he's like a little bit redundant to kind of pickings. I think the Steelers need more of like an inside slot type of guy that we can get to later on in the show. But no, I don't think that makes sense. Steelers were in on Brandon Ayuk because in part he's five years younger. And also he blocks his ass off. He's physical.

He does all these things in the run game that I think Pittsburgh and Arthur spent to be excited about. Devante Adams is 31. He's too old for that shit. He's not going into block for Naji Harris 25 times a game. He's not doing that. No. And it's like, he was pissed with Jimmy Garapolo as his quarterback on that Netflix Netflix receiver show.

It would take like one bad Justin Fields Hospital ball for Devante Adams to just like rage quit on the Steelers. I do actually think the Jets should trade for Devante Adams. And like, I'm not going to lie, even like two weeks ago. I kind of thought that was silly and crazy that that would happen. But I'm like, you know what? The Jets like breaking bad. No half measures, Walter.

Just go get him. Like you're so all in on the Rogers thing. Just get DeVante. Garrett Wilson's chirping Aaron Rogers today. I saw that on a podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, is this offense going to work? I don't know.

Just asking questions. Is receiver really the problem for the Jets? I feel like they have solid receivers and past catching running backs. I don't know. Is that really the issue for the Jets? No, but everyone's going to get fired if you don't win. Also, I will say real quick, if Devante Adams gets traded, Jacobi Myers would be like a really stealth great pickup for fantasy football.

I don't think Devante's playing again for a while. I think Jacobi Myers is an incredible player going forward. And Brock Bowers, I would kill to get Brock. Barras in any fantasy team. Last week, 45% of the first read targets went to Jacoby Myers. He's a sneaky good player. Yeah. Okay.

Number two, on the list of players, we would like to see traded to the Chiefs. Tyree Kill! Receiver for the Dolphins! Why not? Once upon a tie of the Chiefs. This one, I think, you know, it feels a little bit like a pipe dream. I think there's, you know, there are issues with his contract. He just renegotiated a contract or remade it.

But I saw this from Jason at over the cap. basically it would only cost $1.7 million to trade for Tyree Kill this year. It's basically a matter of how much are the chiefs willing to give up to get a guy like Tyreek back. And so, I mean, I don't know. The dolphins, they are one and three right now. The vibes are atrocious. We don't know for sure if Tua is coming back. Adam Schaefter did

note today that he believes Tua will come back in like week eight. So that might change things and like they just end up kind of trying to get through this the next few weeks until Tua gets back. But yeah, the Dolphins offense right now is non-functional. Tyreek is on the sideline, really upset. Like, the vibes are really out of control bad, and maybe they're just trying to, like, move on from that situation. So I don't know.

I think this would obviously be the most fun one because of the history there, but I don't know if the chiefs want it back either. This won't happen, but honestly, it should. And it would be even funnier if they trade for Tyreek Hill, and then they don't win the Super Bowl. After winning it twice. You went it twice without him, yeah, and then you just get Tyreek and then you lose.

I know it maybe it's, I know we're probably overreacting about a football. We're recording this Tuesday, Monday night. The Dolphins, they had a stretch with nine quarters. They had nine points. They had an 85-yard drive at the end of that game for Miami, and then their previous 10 drives had gained 84 yards. And if you look at Miami, I'm like,

oh, two aback in week eight, are they going to be one and six at that time? Right. I don't know. Tyreeks, I know it's a little nuts. because the whole offense is around Tyreek, right? Well, he's going to be third. This season seems like it's done.

Next year, Tyree's going to be 31. How long will it be the fastest player in the league? Like, there is a conversation about whether he should, you know, at what point do you just take a second back and like try to recoup some of this? I know. I know you probably can't do if you're a Miami fan. But like, I don't know. Like, they think the Miami's in a really weird spot.

This team's a mess. All right. Next up here, we have Amari Cooper, the receiver for the Cleveland Browns, as another player that honestly just trained. into the cheese. 100%. This one makes a lot of sense. The Browns basically converted

Amari Cooper's contract to make him basically only you basically only have to give him a million dollars to trade for him right now. He's definitely going to want a new deal so you would have to like

bake that into signing him wherever he goes. But I think Amari Cooper still got it. I think Chief Steelers, Jets, Cowboys would be hilarious. Commanders. This is like a no-brainer to me.

I feel like other than Devante Amari is the most last. likely to be traded. I mean, the Browns are one and three. They're the worst team in the division. The whole offense is a disaster. I don't think it makes sense for them at all to give Amari Cooper a brand new contract as he enters. I think he's 30 years old. So to me, Amari on the Chiefs, let's do it. I think Amari's played really well because it's weird because he has, he's just not a bunch of drops, but he's getting open and it's not even close. He's fantastic. We were talking about he plays through injuries. I mean, Amari, ironically, I feel like Washington,

And Dika, I agree with the sound. You just made, ironically, also, I still look at Dallas and I'm amazed that Dallas ever gave up a more than Moore Cooper for a sixth round pick right before. Like, they gave him up, like, oh, we can't pay Murray Cooper at 19 million. And then Christian Kirk got 17 million, like two weeks later. So ironically, Dallas could do it too. But yeah, after Cleveland, you're not far away from looking at this whole thing. It's just a mess.

So I think Cooper, I think he's the guy on this list that he will get. I think he's most likely to get traded. I think that he's kind of everything you want. And he's also not one of those diva receivers who, like, demands the ball all the time. I mean, it's not as much of a headache to play with. Can you do a one-year rental for him? How would it work? Like, you know, the Texans are essentially doing, like, one year of digs?

He accepted $20 million for one year, and then we'll see what happens. You can't really do that, right? Because to give Cooper a one-year deal, that would actually apply to next year, right? Yeah. So, I mean, it would be a rental. You'd be taking him for the rest of the season. Which happened in his career. The Raiders sent him, I think, mid-season of the Cowboys, and he played incredibly.

But you'd have to sign him for the rest of this year as well as next year, right? If you were to give him, like, a one-year guaranteed deal? No, his deal, no, you would just have him for the rest of this season. And then he could play out his contract. You could play out what he's already on. Got it. But he wants a deal. So that's kind of the question.

But yeah, I think a lot of teams can use Mark Cooper. Next up, we have DeAndre Hopkins received for the Titans. This is kind of just the 2019 all pro team. So far, to Dante Adams, Tyree, Mark Cooper and Hopkins. But, D.K., what do you think of this one? I feel like of all the guys who've fallen off for this season, I feel like Hopkins is right there because he started the season hurt. But now he's playing.

He's back. I mean, right now the Titans are one and three. They are definitely looking at being a run-heavy team, like with the quarterback situation that they have going right now. Levis is hurt. Rudolph is not the answer in terms of the backup there. And they're still ramping hopping up. He's 33 years old.

He's been working back from a preseason knee injury ramping up. If you look at his routes per team dropback over the last four weeks, it started out week one, 23%, 51%, 50% and 59%. And then his target rate has jumped up in every single game. now to 22% in this last game. So he's getting close to, I think, back to full speed and at least whatever speed he is now in terms of 33-year-old Dronzer Hopkins.

He was never all that fast. But he's another guy, I think, 7 million rest of season, according to Jason Fitzgerald. I don't know, he's a possession guy. Do you guys think he fits well on the chiefs, or do you think this doesn't make a lot of sense, like the type of offense they run? My first question was, is he too slow at this point

to be on the field of Kelsey at the same time? And I'm like, well, damn, man, they're going to put Juju out there. Juju is probably one of the slowest receivers in the NFL right now. I'd rather have Hopkins to Juju. The only benefits Juju knows all the plays and the names. Yeah, I think Hopkins is probably the most risky. I believe he tore his MCL in the beginning of the season. He's just playing with it at 33 years old, you know, and he's not getting any faster.

DeAndre Hopkins, I feel bad. I feel like his entire career has been like slightly unlucky. He's always on bad teams that just like keep getting worse. He's basically just gotten to worse teams throughout his entire career. The second he got traded to Tennessee, I was just like, man, Really? Yeah. DeAndre Hopkins is going to the Titans, and it never worked out.

I feel like Hopkins would be a great fit for the Jets. I mean, if they can't, if they can't do the Devante Adams thing, I feel like he would mesh well with Rogers, the way that he runs his offense, the way that he kind of like changes everything at the line of scrimmage. Just get open and I'll throw it to you. It's like, you know. Timing, back shoulder stuff.

Yeah. Also, he'd be like the fourth player on that team who's 33 years old, just on the offense. This is like one last job, the entire team. Yeah, just the whole thing's the expendables. Yeah, it's a crew. There's more like fake ligaments in the limbs of the players on the jets than real ligaments. Cadavers, yeah.

Cataver ligaments. Wait, do the ligaments come from dead people when they repair an ASEL? Sometimes. Tommy John does, I believe. Tommy John, but when you did repair an ACL, is that ACL come from a dead person? No, I thought they just, I don't know what I'm talking about. I thought they just tied it back together. I thought the top, yeah. Just pretend you know.

Craig, just pretend you know. Come on. I'm a medical practitioner. or so I'm supposed to know the Tommy John one I thought they take it from your thigh or something or do they used to take it from dead people? Do they used to take it from your thigh and now they take it from dead people? I thought it was a dead guy's elbow ligament in your arm

and then ACL they just pull it back together and tie it dude that's kind of like sampling a song like if you went a Super Bowl of someone else's ligament like you should send that family like you know they should As it's like a certain it's only a certain length you can put in a person's body too Before you have to start paying royalties

Yeah Body right infringement that's what we'll call it Email us at Rigger Fantasy Football at Gbill.com if you are a doctor or surgeon and can answer any of the, I'm sure, deeply offensive. I also feel like that's a very, like, that's a quick Google. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's better not to Google. Although, Hyphids has shown us that a quick Google is potentially not always accurate. What did I do wrong?

There's some, there's some chatter online about your moon. Oh, yeah. We'll come back to that later. Yeah, I had to hand a recount. Okay. So next up, next receiver, we want traded the chiefs or somewhere. Christian Kirk, receiver for the Jaguars. Yeah, this one would be fun.

Like you said earlier, High Fitz, remember when Christian Kirk, like, reset the wide receiver market and everybody freaked out? But he got paid, and everyone, every receiver of the NFL was like, he got what? And they just called their agent. And now, three years later,

now he's like making Jerry Judy money. Jerry Judy's making more than him. Yeah, he is a little bit more. So now this is, like, kind of a friendly deal. Christian Kirk, I think he's like a really solid player. I don't think he's a number one on the team. I think he's like a good number two or three. on a good team.

Yeah, he's only 27 years old. I think he would make perfect sense in a place like Kansas City. 27 years old, Christian. Get out of here. It's his name. His name is 33, but he's 27. My God.

Yeah, I think like Steelers, Chiefs make perfect sense for a guy. Security blanket, slot. Yeah, middle of the field. And now you can lean on on third down. And there's no reason. Jacksonville is going to blow it all up. Peterson's gone.

Bulkies gone. They're going to, they need to restart. They just drafted a great wide receiver in Brian Thomas. I don't, they don't need Christian Kirk. Right. Yeah, I'm sure, like, producer Carlos listening to me to talk about the dolphin should blown up and he's probably going to lose his mind. But the Jaguars, it's obvious.

They're own four. They're going to fire Doug Peterson. But it's the whole staff. Like, you look at Trent Balke, who just is like the most football guy of football guy of Algea. Like, he just has done a terrible job at the Jaguars front office. Like, they drafted all these first rap picks in the first five years. None of these guys have been developed into good players.

And so you got to restart. So, like, yeah, I mean, you should trade Christian Kirk and then like, get more draft capital. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, frankly, all the Jaguars sign-We've talked about how all the Jaguars free agent signings were just guys they played really well against them. Like, Christian Kirk, Gabe Davis, Evan Ingram, these are all people who played great against Jacksonville. And then they just signed them later. Like, that's the entirety of their scouting. That's like the most I could be a GM thing of all time is like.

Christian Kirk, he had 120 yards against this, right? Sign him. Only 100-yard game of the whole season was against them. Same with Gabe Davis. They were only people who allow 80-yard touchdown of Gabe. Same with Harbaugh, right? With J.K. Dobbins in college? Yeah, Harkieie Dawman's had like 200 yards against him, but Ohio State First Michigan

and six years later, he's like, sign Jake Day. I love that. God. It's funny for like coaches to hire coaches they know, but it's even funnier to hire players who like they saw play well against them that one day. There's a lot of that goes into scouting guys. We're all human beings here. This NFL Thursday night football, Fandel wants you to win even bigger.

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All right. Next up, DK, we got Corlin Sutton receiver from the Broncos. Another guy that actually should probably be traded. I mean,

I don't know if the Broncos will do this because it's detrimental to their rookie quarterback because Cortland Sutton has been the guy that has Bo-Nix's trust

and basically he's been his security blanket. But, you know, going back to the preseason and in the offseason over the summer, Cortland Sutton was really disappointed because he wanted to get a new contract. Maybe he's a little bit, you know, trying to pressure them to move him along and

basically find a good team. He, I think he still got it. He passes the eye test for me. He's still a really good player. How old is he? He's like 28. Coralyn Sutton's actually, he's actually tomorrow is, sorry, next week is his birthday. Oh, which, which, what age?

He's 28. So he'll be 29. Okay. That's definitely getting up there in age, but he's never been, again, like he's a type of player where speed and explosiveness were never really his game. It's like he catches contested catches. He's really good around the sideline. Russell Wilson

had a great chemistry with him last year and that's the type of receiver he is where he's just, he doesn't really need to be open to catch the ball. So, and I think the Broncos also have just like a log jam of young receivers that they need to get on the field eventually at some point. Just people of Sean Peyton

hates. Yeah, Marvin, Man, Troy Franklin. They really like this Devon Valet guy. They signed Josh Reynolds, who can kind of take over for what Sutton is doing. Like, they're similar type of players. Sean Payton's always had a fetish for seventh round players and undrafted players. Like, even go back to, like, the original Saints team. He just loves an undrafted player.

Yeah. So, I don't know. I think if the Broncos realize rightly that they're not true contenders, I think the problem is their defense is so good. They might think they're contenders. But I don't know. I think Cortland Sutton at this point is not going to be on your team long term. You might as well trade him.

Get something in return. Again, I don't know if he'd be like the best fit on the Bronx or on the chiefs, But I think he'd be the type of guy that would fit in a lot of teams right now. As we near the trade deadline, somebody who needs another weapon, number two guy. I like Cortland-Sutton a lot still. Come to the Steelers. Every single one of these receivers, come to the Steelers. I don't think there's any chance Sutton goes to the Chiefs, just again for the divisional factor.

And also Sean Payton's burning hatred for, like, the idea that Andy Reid has all these recent Super Bowls. And Sean Payton does not. And they gave him a real raise, so he's under contract next year, too. But it's funny because I feel like the Broncos were going to trade for Cortland Sutton for three years in a row and didn't. You know who the, you know who a sneaky wide receiver team remains, the Patriots? During the off season, they tried to sign a bunch of veterans.

They went hard at Calvin Ridley, didn't make it. They definitely need a guy that's going to help out their rookie quarterback. So that's a sneaky team to watch. It's not bad. All right, so it's kind of like, again, as we've shown between the Jaguars and how they signed free agents and all these people, it's super different NFL teams, how they run it versus your fantasy team. Also, it's exactly the same process.

It's basically the exact same thing. And just like when you pull up a different team's roster, and you're like, ooh, I could have their best player. No, they probably want to keep him. Second best player. Oh, they want to keep him. And then you're like, all right, now you're on their bench. And this is that portion where you're like, all right,

who are they actually going to give me? These are the people I think Kansas City actually can acquire for a reason for a price. Starting with number seven, Traylon Burks, the receipt of Tennessee Titans. Hell yeah. I know. This is like kind of, we've reached the like dark web, 4 a.m. chat room version of Power Hour.

Yeah, if anyone's like, oh, they wouldn't trade Adams and Tyreek, it's like, well, that's what you're thinking when you look at someone's roster, and then you're like, all right, they'll actually give me this guy. You're like, all right, Traylon Burks. I mean, Treeline Burks is an afterthought. But this dude, I'm still convinced. I still am sold by the highlights of him, his rookie year of him in college

at Arkansas. Like, look, Rishie Rice was definitely a very good, productive player who did a lot of things well. But, like, part of me is kind of like, could Traylon Burks do what Rishreis does? Like, kind of maybe? Craig, this is a question that we always ask with, you know, like,

where quarterbacks land in the draft. Like if so-and-so quarterback had landed on the jets, for instance, or whatever, the Browns, like how different their career is if they land with a different team. Like, Traylon Burks, I think, can run the routes that Rishi Rice is running. He's probably not as good as Rishi Rice, almost surely not as good as Rish Rys. Because Rish Rysk is good. Probably not.

You know, like, this is the truther version of the program. And I'm still a little bit of a Traylandberg's truther. I think he's a terrible fit for what the Titans want him to do. they're like trying to turn him into an outside X receiver. He basically just blocks. They basically just sub him in for Hopkins when they want to run and he just blocks. I'm coming up. I'm coming up on a decade covering the NFL.

And I can say that Traylon Burks in the entire time is the only player that I know the team hated the head coach hated him from the moment they turned the card in for the draft. Yeah, yeah. Like Mike Vrable, like they traded AJ Brown. D.K. joke about this all the time. Mike Vrable hated Traylon Burks's guts the entire time. And now it's a new coach. Wrong kid died.

And it's like the new coach, the new gym, all this stuff. And I'm like, yeah, it's a perfect thing of just get into a new team. Get them off the freaking Tennessee Titans. Yeah. I mean, sometimes, like, look, most of the time, a change of scenery is not good enough for like these guys that have, you know, become busts in the NFL. Trailing Brooks right now hasn't done anything, really. And most of the time, it doesn't work out. But, like, of all the people in the NFL, I think need a change of scenery, I think he would be, like, near the top of my list.

He just, everything that's gone wrong for him. that could go wrong for him has gone wrong. Like he showed up the first day of training camp out of shape. He's like puking on the sideline. He can't finish. He can't finish his practice for the first like two weeks of training camp. And his head coach hated him. Was like really mad because they traded A.J. Brown away.

And this is the guy they gave me. And like shortly after that, there was like a power struggle between coach and GM. Like I don't know. There's just a million things that have gone wrong. And he's gotten hurt a couple times. So yeah, just get this guy to a different team and see what he can do. You know, obviously odds are he's not. can work out, but I still like him.

Pittsburgh. Come to Pittsburgh. Run after the catch. Put him in the slot and let him run after the catch. He's not an extra receiver. Of all the people, like, in all seriousness, Andy Reid and Brett Veach, the coach and GM of the chiefs, are having a conversation at some point this week, if not every day about this.

And I would be stunned if Traillenberg's stated at. Like, they will talk about it. Do you think they're watching right now? Are they in the chat? Yeah, Andy. What do you want to say to Andy or Brett? Who's there? Which one's the burner?

Yeah. I have figured out, actually, I figured out this week. I've never interviewed Bill Belich. but I figured out this week what I would ask him. I don't know. Should I keep them in the back pocket or should I throw it out now? I think you can throw it out now. So I saw this video.

I don't know what to show it. Bill O'Brien was doing an interview somewhere. And Bill O'Brien, and it's also funny because Bill O'Brien, he worked for Belichick and Nick Sabin for like 12 of the 20 years. And he's the only guy who didn't win a title with either of them. And so which is just classic. But Bill O'Brien was telling a story about the first year he worked for the Patriots. and then he's so he's telling the story and he's like, yeah, we signed Matt Castle

and, you know, Matt came in and, you know, Matt, you know, he was a real straight shooter, he's a joker, and you know how Bill never wore socks, right? And I'm like, what? He's like, so Bill Belichick never wore socks, ever. What? He just doesn't, he didn't wear socks, and he would take shoes off in, in meeting rooms.

That's tough. And I kind of, if I, I kind of want to just ask him about that. I, I would say working as the head coach of an NFL team, working for an NFL team, being on the field. Probably bottom five profession to not wear socks in. Yeah, it's like the worst possible. Yeah, he's outside and outside all the time. It's hot, sweating all day.

You know the scene from Dune where the Reverend Mother, like the Bena Jesuit person, lady makes it makes the main character guy put his hand in the box and like not pull it out? That's like if you can go into the meeting room and not puke with Bill Belichick, you pass the test. They smell his feet and you're playing your, putting your, He's too much. For three minutes. Also, I thought the craziest thing about that clip of Bill O'Brien was that he's like,

everybody knows Matt Castle, hilarious, jokester. Totally. Class clown, we all know that about Matt Castle. I was like, I did not know that about Matt Castle. He would have been at the bottom of my list of guys I thought was a real jokester. I can't even imagine a class clown in a Patriots meeting room. How would that go over? I know.

I didn't think they allowed those. They have to bend the knee and smell the feet. That's, you know, that's how he breaks the people. That's why Gronk didn't go back. It's why Brady, Brady's like, I got to get out of here. Belichick on a plane? Imagine Belichick on the plane ride home after a game. Pops those things off.

It's like steaming. You take in particles and you smell something, right, of the thing. How much of Bill Belichick's feet you think Tom Brady's like spreated into it over 20 years? Maybe that was part of TB12. Maybe that was kind of the secret sauce. You don't know. That's good. Playability.

All right. Next up. Next receiver we want to see to trade to the chiefs. Elijah Moore, receiver for the Browns. Why not? Why not? Toss them in there? You got yourself a stew going.

You got a stew going. Again, the chief's going to call the Browns about Amory Cooper. And the Browns are going to do the pawn shop meme. It's like, best I could do is Elijah Moore. And you know what? Here's the thing. Like, I like Elijah Moore. I think he's like the trail on Berks where I'm like, yeah, I know a year five

breakout incoming. But dude, here. All right. Elijah Moore's dad, who's like very active, like very much, you know, involved AAUD dad who tweets a lot like an O'Dell Beckham's your dad. I'm so glad he's supportive of you. I probably should tweet less. But he literally tweeted yesterday.

Elijah Moore's dad tweeted that everyone please stop about the trade talk. This is the best situation Elijah Moore's ever been in in the NFL. This is the best situation. This is the worst success rate of Eddie Brown's quarterback ever. This, but it's true. Deshawn Watson, Joe Flacco, Mike White,

Josh Johnson, Zach Wilson, Jeff Driscoll. Those are the people who have thrown Elijah Moore a pass. Yeah, he's like maybe the Sam Darnold of wide receivers. Yes. We don't know. He is the Sam Darnold of receivers. I think I'm out. No, I'm in.

You loved Elijah Moore two years ago. I know. What changed the Deshawn Watson? What changed? He didn't do anything the last two years. That's my point with Deshawn Watson. He sucks. Okay.

I'm with Hyvins here. Elijah Moore has popped more than he should have with the quarterbacks he's been with in his career. I mean, I want to believe. but I can't. I just don't. In my heart of hearts. We're talking about all these other guys being in contract years

and it's like, those guys want to be a deal. Elijah Moore, he probably would be happy too to go play with freaking Patrick Mahomes and he will do what Hollywood Brown did except he's like, yeah, I probably need to rebuild my career.

And like, Hollywood Brown had to prove he could stay healthy. Elijah Moore just needs to prove he could do anything. And I'm like, yeah, if Cadar's Tony could score two touchdowns on five touches in the Super Bowl, Elijah Moore, at least he can know what to line up. Speaking of,

Tony is on the Brown. Tony, that happened? He's on their practice squad, I believe. I have a mental block on his whereabouts. You think the chiefs are reaching out about Tony? He knows the playbook. Interesting. Healthy. Just saying. Want to ring

with him? Culture guy? Yeah. Real culture guy. I hate that guy. Okay. Next guy, number nine, players who should be traded the chiefs. I know these are all receivers, but honestly, right now, breaking the role. Damien Pierce running back for the Texans. Hell yeah. I think it's very clear that Damien Pierce is just

a terrible scheme fit for what the Texans are doing with Bobby Sloick, the outside zone. He just doesn't, some running backs just don't really get it in terms of like the way they run that scheme. It's just not supernatural to them. And that's like been the story all along with, you know, the Shanahan family tree of offenses. They tend to get these random guys that just are really good at running that scheme and having a good feel for when to make their cuts and when to cut back against the green. That kind of thing. Damien Pierce is just not that good at this.

where he excels more and where he looked really good his rookie year was in a gap scheme and so if you look at some of the teams that run Gap the most I saw this

according to fantasy points the Cardinals, Titans Jags, Rams, Patriots, Ravens, Giants, Packers, Chiefs, Broncos and actually another team I really like for him

is the Chargers. Those teams run gap schemes like more than the other teams a higher rate than other teams in the NFL and so I don't know

the three teams that I kind of bolded here are the Jags, the Chiefs, and the Chargers. Damian Pierce after his rookie season I was convinced he was going to be a top 10 top 5. I thought he's going to be a star

Yeah, I agree. I like this one a lot And on the surface it doesn't make any sense because he's got a hamstring injury and the Texans have all these banged up running backs where Joe makes sense to the high ankle and then you know obviously Pierce is banged up But I'm kind of looking at this and I'm like Canemakers, yeah, sorry, can't make

Camakers, yeah, and Canemakers you're healthy running back that's not good. But I agree, D.K., because it's your point, Joe Thomas, the left tackle. He's seen Hall of Fame? Future Hall of Famer for sure. Yeah. He wants to describe the Shannon system as like,

it's your computer. Everything's a zero or one. You have to do it exact though. So like that they can play faster that way, but there's no freestyling. You do it exact. Everyone has to do exactly what you're supposed to do. And so running back like Damian Pierce,

I don't know exactly it is, but I think sometimes like if you see red on runs and all the time, it's like no, it's like, you have to do exactly how they want you to do it with no room for creativity. And I think that Damien Pierce on, like, part of it thinks JJ Taylor might be playing over him soon. I think he'd be great on another team. Dallas.

Yeah, Dallas, you know. I think, yeah, Dallas, I mean, if the, yeah, I don't, I don't know why Dallas doesn't have Damian Pierce. I like that one a lot. Last one, again, players who go to the Chiefs. This one's going to happen. Hi Fitz is going all in on this. No, I don't actually, no, I'm not going to go all in. But, like, I just think, I actually think it makes sense.

But the Giants, I think the Darius Slatner, Jalen Hyatt from the Giants would fix a lot of problems for Kansas City. And again, I don't think it's like, oh, these guys are such a perfect fit for them. as they're the best fit for what Kansas City will realistically want to give up, which again is what it's all about. Like, Slateens do $2.5 million. Darius Slateens good. And I'll tell you exactly how good he is. Darius Slateens, the worst receiver available who would fix everything that Kansas City needs to happen.

Like, the chiefs can win the Super Bowl if Darius Slate's playing for them. And I think, like, he just, like, you know what I mean? And I think that he's the worst receiver that you can say that of without any hesitations about like, Oh, man, Justin Wants and all these guys. But, I mean, Slate, you just watch Thursday in football. Dary Slate should have had two touchdowns on Thursday of football. Yeah. Like for 50 yards apiece.

Daniel Jones just short-arming it, like time and time again, yeah. Combined 30 yards of underthrows. But I think Slate's right there. And then the flip size, Jalen Hyatt. I don't think we'd be doing anything Risholing. Hayt just pure field stretcher. He's really playing for the Giants right now. I really wonder if that's because Hyatt can't turn or Jones can't throw deep or probably both.

But I think that's another, the call about Slayton, the Giants, like, we'll give you a Jalen Hyatt. But I think the Chief Slateen's just like perfect for them. So, and I don't think he would cost a ton. But to button this all up, I think if you guys had to pick someone on this list for the Chiefs to actually get, ranging from, you know, Devante Adams at a third, but for like $12 million to Amari Cooper for like a fourth for like a couple million bucks, but he's going to walk in nine games to Darius Slayton for like a sixth. which of these do you think the Kansas City Chiefs should do, considering age and everything?

Craig, what do you think? I think based on what the Chiefs have been able to do without a strong receiving core and with maybe Rashid Rice not being out for the year, I actually lean that they should do something cheaper, that they should go get like Darius Slayton

or like Elijah Moore. I probably don't think the Jags are going to give up Christian Kirk, but I don't think they're going to, I don't think they need to go get like Amari Cooper. I think they will be fine getting a guy like Darius Slayton, who's like the Mike Evans of getting 700 yards every year,

regardless of who the quarterback is. I think Slaten's the safest one in terms of like he will be able to do what they need. But dude, I kind of do think they could fix Traylon Burks. I kind of think Traylon Burks. I can fix him. Yeah, you can fix him. It's the week one test, too, of the how many games would you need to see Traylon Burks play even a fracture, the Rishi Rice role, until you're like, oh, my God,

I can't believe we let that happen. Because I think it's two. I think it's two passes. And I'm like, fuck. They did it again. Yeah, it just runs some crosses with the homes. It'll be fine. Like Rishie Rice, everything looks like, I don't know,

it looks like you're tying your shoelaces. Everything's just like across the left, across the right, you know what I mean? I was asking you guys the other day, I'm like, why can't Skymore? Because I showed you guys a route chart of what Rishie Rice did in their last game when he had like 11 catches for 100-something yards. And it was all just like, truly it was just a bunch of crossing routes

where he's settling into his own and running after the catch. I'm like, why can't Sky Moore do this? And then as soon as Rashid Rice got hurt and Skymore came in and dropped that pass, I was like, oh, okay. Get him right in the hand. No, I remember. It actually takes skill to play receiver.

So, anyway, you guys heard the story that Brett Veach, the GM apparently was heard like slamming his hand on the table when Skymoor dropped that first pass. Oh, really? They heard a thud. I mean, yeah. But yeah, first, I think I've learned one lesson.

If you drafted, like, we should put this as a momentum tattoo for the real NFL draft. If you draft a receiver and they express interest and I would like the number one, please. Like, I would like my number to be one. Like, Malik neighbors, like, hey, that guy's numbers retired. Like, can you unretired for me?

I like that guy. If my receiver, like, Skymoor asks for a cornerback number, like, you're like, I want to be number 24, please. You should trade that guy immediately. Like Skymore asked to be a cornerback, basically. And he catches. I don't understand why he hasn't changed his number yet. I mean, like, look, let's be honest.

Let's just get right down to brass tax. Like your career hasn't gone great so far. Don't you want to start fresh? Everyone just makes fun of you for your number. I don't know. I just feel like the vibes would improve dramatically if you just went to whatever number of it is, like 18 or something.

I'm also so upset of it, we didn't nail this. Sky Moore would never have been a second round pick if his name wasn't Skymore. If his name was Robert Woods, Skymore would have been a fifth round thing. Robert Wood. I think Sky Moore likes it

because when you look at the box score after, you see like number 24, three targets, zero catches. You're like, oh, well, they must have. like thrown to a backup running back. Oh, that must have been like a fullback or a safety they had or something. That's not a big deal. I didn't

guess what he was doing. Flip side, imagine if Ryan Williams, the Bama kid was named Skymore. There would be religions devoted to him. What number was he? I forget. Skymore? No, no. What number is Ryan Williams right now? Let's look at that. I think is he a one? Two? I believe

two. Two. I'm amazing. Two is a good receiver number. I like two. Who's two? Is Amari Cooper two? DJ Moore. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we should rank, we should, we've not even rank, just sort receivers by numbers

one day for power hour. Just like filter, like one, one, one, two, two. Just see, like, just see what comes up. All right. Before we get off trades, I do want to read one email from Sean. Sean.

Sean writes, because we talked about how the chat, in the last show we talked about, on the Sunday show, we talked about how for it's over, we're so back. And just reminder, email us at ringer fantasy football,

Gmail. com on Sundays or go to our Instagram and TikTok, ringer fantasy, football on Instagram and we are going to post the comments or sorry we're going to post the categories you're on Sundays and you can comment with what uh nominate people you want us to talk about on Sunday and Sean emailed in and said we had talked about how Nick Siriani for the Eagles and Doug Peterson for the Jaguars are both over like those guys are toast.

Sean says that instead of the Jags or Eagles firing their coaches the Jags and Eagles should trade their head coaches because the Jags need a weird new energy like Nick Siriani and the Eagles need an offensive coach who refuses to call play. like Doug Peterson. So send Peterson back to Philly and Siriani to Jacksonville. Why would the Jags

want Siriani, though? What does he do? What are you going to do? What are you going to do for us, pal? Because he's just like going to, he's like, he's a perfect interim coach where like, I'm just going to yell and not be the old guy.

Is Big Dom a part of the deal? No, Dom's a Philly institution. He figuratively and literally knows where all the bodies are buried. I just don't know why Jacksonville would want that. Can Siriani succeed without Big Dom? I don't know. Well, maybe, I mean, maybe it'd be like 12th man on the field with no big Dom.

Surgeon is just going to be out there playing every, you know what I mean? You can make some tackles. I'm not sure which fan base would be more upset. Probably Jacksonville. Oh, my God. All right. So you guys want to get to some fantasy court? Yeah.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. All right. We have a case here with a little context needed, but we actually haven't talked about this in the show yet. but Adam Schaefter reported this week that Christian McAfree's Achilles tendonitis and his right leg is now in both legs. It's not. We've got another Achilles injury. Again, so I'm a doctor.

I'm the medical practitioner here. And so that's actually how the soft tissue injuries work. They're contagious. They spread like the rot. Totally. Grace Gale and Game of Thrones. It's like gangrene. He's supposed to be social distancing his legs, but it's hard to do that all day every day.

So I get it. The flight to Germany. You know, it's hard, you know. It's hard to just. do that the whole time. Spread Eagle. So we have an email here from Nicholas. Nick. Nick. Nick. Nicholas. Nicholas comes here and says, I am here by declaring

a class action lawsuit against 49ers head coach Calhianian. And I like it. And the entire 49ers organization. Say no more. I'm in. Yeah. Say less, as they say. But yeah, he's basically says that the non-disclosure misinformation around the Achilles syndrome McCaffrey. McCaffrey was universally considered the top five and in most places, first overall pick and fantasy drafts. People who are paid to research right in podcasts about fantasy football told me to

take him first overall, and maybe not the three of you, but still, Kyle give multiple quotes day that Christian McCaffrey would be ready to go and wouldn't be hindered come week one of the season. And the team disclosed McCaffrey is dealing with a minor calf injury up until right before the Niners week one game where they scratched McCaffrey with an Achilles injury. The injury seems to have always been at Achilles. We learn now that it's in both legs. It's spreading. And I would like damages of my fantasy football league dues and also the emotion. emotional distress of coming in last place and doing the punishment. This is straight up fraud.

This is the definition of fraud. They're misleading investors. Oh, yeah. Oh, like Enron. It's like fantasy Enron. Yeah. They're trying to pump up like pump and dump with the stock, you know. Shanahan, classic pump and dump right here. Shanahan's getting a little tricky now. He's gotten close to a couple of Super Bowls. Can't quite get there. He's going to start cheating. That's going on the sex cut people make.

the class of pump and dump. Yeah. I don't even like, yeah, I'm all in on this. Is there something that we need to do? I'm, where do I sign? I think that the class actually thinks funny because I do think that like 10% of people who play fantasy football,

like anyone who had McCaffrey this year is literally going to be scarred forever about taking players who were hurt. Like that little questionable, like a little cue designation in the draft room, no one's ever going to take anyone to serve ever again because I think now people are going to realize there's no, the teams report, the injury reports really strictly.

the season. They have no obligation to be honest about it in August. And I think now we're going to realize that we'll never be able to trust any of that ever again. I also think this year marks the beginning of the calf being the most problematic muscle in the NFL. We should cancel the calf. Yeah, the calf is the worst. Clearly the muscle you should be most worried about. If you see a tweaked calf, a strained calf, questionable with a calf, I'm taking hamstring every day of the week over calf now. The closer you get to the Achilles, the worse it is. Wait, do you like... What about groin?

I feel like groin's tough, too. I'd take groin over calf any day. Totally agree. Yeah, hamstring's like a misdemeanor. But, yeah, I think the calf, it's like felony. The hamstring is connected to the Achilles. I mean, it's essentially just saying Achilles. It's literally fraud.

The calf's connected to the Achilles. That's what I meant. Sorry, the calf is connected to the Achilles. You should legally be required to say calf slash Achilles every time. Right. You must disclose that as part of your offer, your IPO or, whatever. Salar House, I don't remember who. One of them said we should rename the hamstring. I thought that was a good idea. Like it just sounds so silly. It sounds whimsical. A hamstring, it's a very serious part of your leg. I pulled my hamstring. Oh, and it's like, no, it's really tough. I see, I think you can keep the name hamstring. I think you, what you need to rebrand is pull. Pohl. A hamstring pole is really a minor tear. You should say a hamstring pull is really a minor tear. A microtor your hamstring. Or just say a hamstring tear grade one. strings off the bone.

Off the bone is like the worst sentence. That makes it sound really bad. Off the bone, yeah. And yeah, if it's half torques, you say there's still some meat on the bone. Wait, are we still doing, are we doing actual fantasy court here? Oh, yeah, no, I just wanted to announce

a fantasy law. We can get to more cases. Okay. We're going to send out mailers trying to get signatures. We're taking this thing national. This is, so next next case here is from James. James. Jim.

Okay. Jimmy. writes email. I'm not going to lie. Jimmy writes email. Robert in Game of Thrones, but he's like titles, titles, titles, fill it it it in later. I'm like, details, details, he tells us about the work league. James Madd that George and Wyatt made the trade.

That's the point. George and Wyatt. Wait, wait, you're flying. You're flying through this. What's going on here? Pretend, pretend people are listening to a podcast and then explain what this is. Pretend that most people can't see you and are doing something else while listening to this on 1.5x speed.

I'm skipping his very long introduction. And I'm saying George and Wyatt made a trade and James is mad. And the trade was A.J. Brown and Mark Andrews for Dalton, Kincaid and Tank Bigsby. Admittedly, not a great deal. Apparently, Wyatt doesn't know that much about football. And I'm like titles, titles, details, details, details, details. I don't know that quote, by the way. The Game of Thrones?

Yeah, I know that one. It's, it's like yada, yada, yada. No, I understand. I understand the meaning of it. But I just, I'm always baffled by high fits just yanking quotes out of his ass from eight season long television shows. Okay, anyway, the point is, they want to, veto the trade. And I would like to take this moment to establish our precedent on all the emails

we get every week about trade vetoes because this court has settled the matter. And I'm curious if you still uphold our precedent, which is get over it. Like the trade vetoes, like this is an AJ Brown trade. He wants to veto it. When A.J. Brown was traded in real life to the Philadelphia Eagles, they didn't ask the giants. You think this is fair? Like, that's how long have we all been alive? There's been one trade vetoed in the real sports leagues where there's a lot more at stake in our entire life. It was the Chris Paul trade because the league owned one of the other teams. That's the only time there's ever been a veto. Almost if you're like, if you have to veto a trade and you're like, well, I don't think it's fair.

Well, it's not your team. Get over it. Sorry. I completely agree. We don't adjudicate stupidity. Yeah. This is America. Freedom means people can be dumb and do dumb stuff with their. stuff. Okay. Also, you're saying

that despite two weeks ago, a guy gets drunk and drops his players and you're like, well, that's the definition of stupidity. But, okay. No, but there's stupidity and then there's also like... Craig's going to bring that up every single time for the rest of eternity. Yeah.

We don't believe in vetoes. Well, vetoes are for literally when like, we always say like collusion is like, oh, if someone owes someone money, obviously it's collusion and they make your finis. I think the thing that actually happens more often is you have nine people and you're trying to get a 10th guy. And so someone's like, here's my friend Greg. And no one knows Greg.

No one has Greg's number. No one's ever met. Every league's got a Greg. And then Greg stops checking his team. And then like the next season, everyone forgets Greg's in the league. He doesn't set his lineup for eight weeks. And then Greg and the, Greg sends all his good players to the friend that brought him in the league. That you can veto because that's bad faith in the sense that he doesn't care about the league.

He's not like he will never check this thing every day. again. You can veto that. You can be, but otherwise, it's like, if you're upset about a trade that got made, you should just start texting the person that you think is dumb and you should make a trade with them yourself. So that's our precedent on all vetoes. I agree. Shake that guy down. Yeah. All right. We have another fantasy court here. This is really family court from Peter. Okay. Pete. Pete. Pete. I have a family league. A younger player in our league just initiated

a trade for Tyree Kill. And he decided to give up Dak Prescott and T. Higgins. and then talked a bunch of shit. And then I asked him if he knew something I didn't know about Tuit Tungo Vaila coming back and the 14-year-old kid insisted that he read that he definitely was. And then two hours later, this 14-year-old kid begins begging me

to veto the trade as the commissioner. Meanwhile, my 7-year-old daughter thinks that he should be forced to learn his lesson. What would you guys do? Where do you think I land on this? Yeah, the 7-year-old's right. 100%. Yeah.

Well, it changed my mind. It's like, no. He got buyers remorse. Yes. Sorry you read some comment on Reddit that said Tua was coming back. This is a good life lesson. Welcome to the big leagues, kid. Seriously. Can't believe everything you read, especially when it's on Google. Get ready to get last place, buddy.

Get ready to learn last place. Right, now we have a fantasy court. This is really a fantasy court marshal. Oh. Oh, boy. From Evan. I feel like there's different rules in the military tribunals and whatnot. Yeah, NCIS. I'm always learning. Yeah, it's different. You watch NCIS?

No, I don't. I kind of made that up. Okay. I mean, honestly, I don't even know what NCS stands for. Yeah, I don't know that. Wow. Crime investigative. Naval.

Naval criminal. Civil. Naval criminal. Civil. Naval criminal investigative service. Is that NCS stands? Naval. Yeah.

Naval criminal investigative service. Wow, it is. Cool. Wow. Who. Evan says, I'm in a league with my old naval buddies. Maritime law My friend

You're a crook Sorry I'm kidding What is they even from? The rest of development People get that one Evan says my friend that I served with Initiated a really Bush League Move today in our fantasy league

He drafted Christian McCaffrey So of course my friend's team is cooked But two weeks ago My friend was proposed to trade To send Christian McCaffrey away For Rahimosa student Sifundix And my friend still had a hope For McCaffrey so he did not accept

But this week after news About Christian McCaffrey's ramen noodle tendons. My friend's, my friends started panicking. Yeah, after going 0 and 4. Yeah, exactly. It's stunning. The rot. But here's the thing, because it's a Navy League. Some of these guys are still on active duty and on ships. So they can't check their teams every day. And so the guy who tried to

trade with him also never canceled the trade. Because, you know, he's serving on a aircraft carrier. And so today, my friend texted me and says, I'm about to shock the world and he accepted the trade. Shending away McCaffrey for digs, even though it's completely different now. And Evan says to me this is unforgivable.

Navy social groups, if you don't know, are already pretty toxic and ruthless. We're just sort of built that way. But this is next level. So we're thinking about keel hauling him. Keel hauling. I had to look that up and I already actually forgot. Keel hauling. Oh, is that where they drag him along the keel?

They put them, they attach a rope to them and then drag them under the boat around. Oh, yeah. Wow, that is what it is. They drag him under the boat? I don't think they're literally going to do it. No, I think it was a joke. They tried to do that on a modern naval ship that he would for sure die. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they didn't die back in the day, but it's like the old school version of like a code red, Craig. Yeah, walking by the, I think it's thrown over the plank. Anyway, I think this is part of me is like this is a pretty bad veto, but also part of me is like, I don't know. I feel like this is, you know, ocean law. Anything kind of goes. Ocean laws. Wait, we've had a very similar.

version of this before, basically, where it's ultimately the manager's job to take the trade off or whatever, like to cancel the trade, right? So did we let it stand? I feel like we let it stand, but the etiquette should be to check. Well, in normal situations, if you leave a trade going for that long, we're like, that's your fault. But like, if you are serving active duty on a naval, on a naval These are your brothers in arms. I think I'm willing to make an exception here. Also, in general, I think as the commissioner of a league, you should, you should set it up. So, trade requests only last for a week. Yeah.

Letting them just sit there for weeks and weeks and weeks doesn't make any sense. But you can set like an expiration date for trades. I think like five, seven days makes sense until the new week. And then you have to request it again, which I think is totally fair. I think I'm actually okay stepping in here and vetoing this. I think it's, this is because it's maritime law, it's, uh, these guys have, they go long distances or whatever, long time periods without having any cell service. I think it makes sense to, to step in.

Do you guys think that in a couple of years, we're going to see an NCIS episode where there's, like, they're investigating it someone who got keel-hauled and then it'll turn out that actually he just, that guy just got keel-hulled because he stole him Christian McCaffrey from someone in his league. All right, fantasy court. Email so ring your fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you have more fantasy courts, trade vetoes, the answers probably no. But yeah, if more of your friends are serving in active duty and I kind of like the military leagues, tell us more about the military leagues. Email us to ring your fantasy football at Gmail. I feel like it's ruthless. Also, the ocean's lawless.

The New York Times has this whole, like, open oceans thing. It's crazy. There's Wild West out there. Crazy stuff going on in the oceans. All right. Emails. All right, fine. Craig's going to kill me.

Emails, I have to order to issue a correction. This is from Brian. Yeah. Right guy. On the trivia episode, I asked how many moons there were. I got it wrong. Brian says NASA says Jupiter has 95 moons, not 195 moons. So Dontavian Wicks should go to D.K.

And not me. No, I want the credit for the trivia, not Dontavian wicks. Well, I mean, that's been... I'm winning the war or not the battle. Yeah. You get a free dinner for trivia, not for the waiver wire picks. Yeah. Stack correction on the trivia.

You said 100, your guess was 190. Your guess was 200 moons. Yeah. And it was 195. Curious how... Curious. Indeed. What a coincidence.

The incorrect number. Weird. What a weird number to come. Five a way is kind of like the perfect amount to kind of get people off the scent while making it seem as though it was just kind of a random, educated guess. I was also thinking to myself to, today, Craig, that I don't think High Fitz says when he's asked for trivia lately, he hasn't done the whole thing where it's like you're supposed to write your answer in no color or white or

whatever so we can't see it. I don't know. People still do it, which you would know if you ever open the email. I actually, sometimes I do see the emails and the answer is literally in the email preview. It's unavoidable. Yeah. Maybe you're going with that question. That's all I'm saying. You're getting Incepted, I think is what's actually. actually happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's subconscious. Oh, it's conscious. Hi Fitts is so upset with us right now. No, I'm not upset. I think the real answer is usually I do it far enough in advance that I don't remember anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't remember implying that you did look at the answer. Depending on that, well, I mean, ever since the goddamn elephant muscle fiasco,

fiasco of 40,000 muscles, I'm like, yeah, some of this shit's got to get fact check now. I'm actually on Hyfitz's side on this one because we've done the same trivia questions multiple times and we're still not any closer on them. There's just a lot of numbers in the world, all right? We need a neutral fourth party. We need Kai or Carlos or somebody to corroborate these answers. That's what the entire

internet's for. Clearly not. The internet is getting worse. You got mad? Look, I said 40,000 muscles that there were 17. I'm doing my best here, man. Google Gemini is literally destroying the Monday show. Now I have to address this. Apparently there's in the YouTube comments,

people are thinking that I cheated trivia, which is ironic because I actually have lost quite a bit. Now I feel the need to address this as some point. It's like a scandal. Issue a statement. Are you going to step away? Wait, he said, now I feel the need to address this. And then he just stared at us. Should you the Eric Adams and hold a press conference? I've done nothing wrong. I deny all charges. I'm excited. Yeah, you guys will hear from my fantasy attorneys. I'm not going to recuse any cases. I'm not going to, yeah, none of that. Is it Labele or slander? Lival? Lebel? Libel. Lively.

Like Patti Lebel? That's the French way of saying it, guys. Like, Patty Lebel? I'm being boozy. If I had said that, you guys would have lost your minds. That's correct. Yes. That's right. It is a double standard. We fully acknowledge that. Lebel and Slander. Libele.

Lible's written, right? Slander has spoken. Sure. The only thing I got left is you guys hear about the Kansas State Burrito guy? I don't know what that is. We got an email. I'm going to leave you anonymous, but you know who you are. Anyway, they summed it up really well, which is last week before the Kansas State BYU football game,

a fan on Twitter said that if Kansas State loses to BYU, I will shove a beefy five-layer burrito at my ass. Oh, I did see this. And then BYU, BYU's Twitter account afterward tweeted a photo of the game and said, live Moss. And then this person... The guy who did it, like, delete his account and move?

So that happened with the Florida State. on with the guy who said he need horse shit. And then he like, you know, he packed up and left this person. He scrubbed all his social media forever. He tweet this, no, this person tweeted a video of buying a beefy five layer of burrito putting it in the freezer. Oh. And then three days later. Wait, was that required? Was that a part of the deal? He had to freeze it. No, but I think he has to put it up his what else would you do it. Yeah. What do you talk? I mean, I would certainly try with it unfrozen first. dry. Craig, what's the expression you use?

Rope, something or other? Pushing rope. Pushing rope. Shove it a marshmallow and a keyhole. Okay, but like who's monitoring? It's like... It's like, integrity. It's like you can't use a croissant as a dildo.

It doesn't work and it makes a best. Okay. This guy's, I respect this guy. This Saturday at 10.30 in the morning, this guy tweeted a picture of himself doing it. He put a brown bag over his head for anonymity like the lions and he did it. he shoved an entire burrito up his ass yeah he did it did you watch him do not entire no it's just the photo it's it's protruding so he just he just had to get it in there yeah he didn't have

we got to be careful here this is live he did not have to immerse the burrito fully inside of his body no it's not like one of those x-rays you see of which was like you know like a toy car or something no it's just that was on jackass yeah how big was the burrito Burrito. Probably kind of like a small one. This is where Craig did he's supposed for having never eaten Taco Bell in his life. I've eaten Taco Bell. All right. How dare you? That's that's slander. Livebis. La Belle. LaBelle.

You can't, you just said liebel. I know. I'll do that on purpose. I was like, wait, is he, wow, he's ahead of the game. Let's go home. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you. Kai and Carlos for producing this episode. Thank you, John and everyone behind the scenes. And Jack and Austin and so many people do this. Subscribe to the Ringar NFL, YouTube channel, emails at Ring your Fantasy Football.com. Follow us on Instagram, Ring your Fantasy Football, TikTok, Ring your Fantasy Football. Thank you, everyone.

And of course, thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Billy Holiday. Okay. Why? Is you on your mind? No. I just, I panicked. Okay. That's fine. I panicked. Sometimes, like, I'll start thinking about it a few minutes early because I remember that I have to do this.

Do you guys remember how early on when I first started doing this, I would always be surprised about it for like a year straight. You said Jay-Z and Taylor Swift like seven times in like three months. Yeah. Nowadays I usually try and plan ahead. But I forgot in this specific case. And so I just thought of it. I don't know.

Billet Halliday is a lady, right? I mean, I kind of teed you up for Patty LaBelle, but. That's true. Is Billy Halley is like a jazz? Jazz musician. Man or woman? A woman, yeah. Woman.

Yeah. Okay. This is when you pulled out, who was the jazz musician that you pulled out a long time ago and you loved him? Oh, he had a short name. It was like milk plums. Stan gets. Yeah, that was like milk plum. That was deep.

Yeah, that was a deep cut. Stan gets. You were so mad at me that I hadn't heard of Staget's. Because you were adamant that he was more popular on Spotify than we thought. And I believe he was, right? He was more popular in Spotify than we thought, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You just don't know any jazz musicians. Girl from Epinema, 208 million streams on Spotify. Very famous song. I'm sure you've heard it before. Heard it now. Craig's singing again. Can't name a Billy Holiday song. Richter says she was a jazz singer.

Yeah. Yeah. Can you name a Billy Holiday tune? Me? No. No, D.K. Gloomy Sunday. Oh.

Did you just let that out? It's on Google. I googled it. Her picture on Wikipedia is her with a dog. You don't see that too often. she's hanging with her dog named Mr. Nicky

great name for a dog I just love that mister who decided that was it like her estate was like she mister needs to be in the Wikipedia photo well no it's it's a public you know I agree that's good

creative comments baby email is at ringer fantasy football Gmail if you have other either really good Wikipedia photos that we should know of like funny famous people or great names for dogs we'll take neither

how do you decide what photo gets put in a Wikipedia profile all right so Roger Sherman actually wrote an entire article. You don't get to decide, pal. But who does? Well, it's just, it's the people. It's, it's the people. The people that are editing it. It has to be a fair use photos, right? You can't do anything. No, it's the wild west, baby. Are we going to do a little stow? Okay, so if you go to an NBA player, like, you know, pick, you know,

Carly Anthony Towns. He just got to the, uh, to the Knicks. So you go to his Wikipedia. It's not like some, like, nice headshot of him. It's like, someone took this photo and put it on the internet. So it's like, oh, you look at Towns. It's like him a shooting. Someone took that from, like, like, the second deck. Like, that's just someone put that on the internet. Yeah. So it's all fair use photos. But it's not like getting images. It's like the goodwill of the people at Wikipedia making sure that it's not like an embarrassing

ridiculous photo. Yeah, there's like editor. There's mods. Right. Like, if I uploaded a burrito instead of Coroner than he towns, like they would take that down. Yes, they would. Here, look, Roger, look, if you Google the Ringer, Wikipedia's best, worst NBA photos are

modern art. And if you look, and like, there are certain players where like they're not famous enough. They're famous enough to have a Wikipedia article. but they're not famous enough that no one's taking a picture of them. The picture's like out of... Yeah, so it's like, they're like in the back somewhere. Like there's no photos of them

that are fair use on the internet. So like, look at... There's a bunch. Joey Graham, Shandon Anderson. They can't find photos of his face. This picture of Brandon... Or sorry, of Joey Graham is just like blurry and pixelated.

Yeah. This is pretty good, actually. Oh, wow, this is bad. It's like scratching his... Meck. Nothing beats Kloy's box just being an animated photo. Just a straight-up drawing. Oh, my God. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas

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