The Ringer NFL Show - Power-Ranking Fantasy’s Biggest Week 1 Overreactions

Episode Date: September 15, 2021

We begin the show with the news of Josh Gordon’s potential reinstatement to the NFL and what this could mean for fantasy before getting into our second installment of Power Hour, where we power-rank the biggest Week 1 overreactions in fantasy football. We finish the show with Bad Beats and Fantasy Court. Josh Gordon (1:55) Power Hour (12:09) Bad Beats (46:02) Fantasy Court (49:30) Sign up and compete against us in the Bad QB League on FanDuel here.  Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, this is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to The Ringer Gambling Show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solac, and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the Ringer Gambling Show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyvitz.

I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbeck. Welcome to Power Hour, where we are power ranking something every Wednesday during the season. You can guess how Power Hour works. You're going to hear this sound. And then we're going to rank some stuff. That's it. It's that simple. Craig, what are we ranking this week?

Tell the people. We are ranking Week 1 over reactions, which is honestly, this is, I think, the best week in football content every year. after week one, particularly in fantasy, is as good as it gets, and we are going to frank the overreactions. It's always funny to see how incredibly wrong, or in some cases, right, you were on things, but it's mostly funny to see when you're just like, wow, Trace Sermon, I was off on that one. Let's see how this goes. Let's see how this changes. But yeah, I love it. Week one,

overreactions. It's the best time to make overreactions. Week one is an extension of the preseason because it's like whose line is it anyway. it's like not like the points don't matter unless it confirms your biases in which case they totally matter a lot otherwise right right it's like after week one you can't think it's seriously so we're going to go through all the week one overreactions first news holy crap josh gordon has been is sorry he's completed his NFL monitor treatment program according to adam schifter and has recommended to the NFL that he be reinstated Gordon is awaiting final proof from the NFL commissioner roger godell but gordon said to be ready to play and vaccine

end quote, oh my God, D. Care are we doing this again? It feels like it. I'm not going to get, from a fantasy point of view, I'm not going to get too excited about this. I mean, it's been, no, it's been a long time. You have to get excited about it. You have to get excited about it in fantasy. I very much will be rooting for him because I think he's an awesome athlete, a great player. And if he can get back and stay in there, it's going to be awesome story. And I'm 100% rooting for it. However, I'm just, I'm not going to overreact to this. This is obviously happened several times in the past. and um eight he's been suspended eight times several was an understatement so i don't know it's just

one of those things where i really hope he can get on the field and stay on the field um but you know it's it's tough to it's tough to trust this situation because the NFL is you know he's on the basically one strike year out list and any little slip up and he's gone he's still one of the best wide receivers have ever seen play football that 2013 season he literally is he's a top five receiver i think i've ever seen play like live yeah with jason can't and Brandon Whedon throwing him passes in 2013, he had 1,600 yards. Yeah, that was so long ago, like, because Craig, you've been making the joke all offseason that we have to stop talking about Carson Wences, 2017, because it's starting

to sound like he were at high school, and it's like, yeah, like, could have gone pro of coach hadn't bench, like, she's like, stop talking about 2017. Gordon's year was 2013, but you look back at it still was incredible. 2013? Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, ignore the fact that time flies, that was a long time ago, but. that's not that long ago. It's like Addison Ray at the Met Gallo last night. Everybody was mad because she said she was wearing a dress from 03 and called it vintage.

Dude, the C-Frey everyone was like, oh, no. The Seahawks won the Super Bowl in 2013, and that feels like ages ago. So just to put this in context of like why we're talking about this, 2013, Josh Gordon, 1,600 receiving yards, nine touchdowns, and he did it in 14 games at 22 years old. 1600 yards in 14 games. at 22 years old. Brandon Weeden. Brandon Whedon. Jason Campbell.

Brian Hoyer were his quarterbacks. So it's like, I also he's the only receiver to ever have back to back 200 yard games. So I was thinking basically what happened is imagine if Justin Jefferson had his rookie year last year, except he did better in like all of his stats. Yeah. And played fewer games. And then just like didn't really play football

consistently ever again. You know what though? Even with all of the the sporadic games, he's played here and there after that 2013 season. If you accumulate all of his games played, not even just game started, games played divided by yards he's put up, he still averages 67 yards a game,

which is over 1,000 yards a season. That's actually, I did not know that. That's like crazy. Well, Deke, I'm surprised you're not kind of, not excited at the wrong word, but he's actually ended up on the Seahawks for one of those, like, briefs. Yeah.

Yeah, the Seahawks definitely, I think, committed to him to help him try and, you know, get past all the addiction issues that he's facing his life. And, you know, I think he was a great fit in Seattle and they embraced him and he seemed to really embrace Seattle. So it was awesome. And I really, again, I really hope that, you know, it all works out for him. And he gets signed and he ends up playing and it goes great. But, you know, it was one of those things where we got, we got, as Seahawk fans, we got really excited about it. And then every time he's, like, very close to getting ready, there was a number of different reasons that he either got.

stepped away from the team for a while, I believe, and then he actually did get suspended later. So I don't know. It's just, I can't get myself emotionally excited about it again, but I really do hope it works out for him. So this occurred to me, because basically, I don't know if it's worth the headache to pick him up, but someone in your league's going to get excited about him and Adam.

And I realized, yeah, this is the most similar. I think we've ever had a fantasy free agent thing, be similar to real-life NFL GMs, where they're all like, oh, my God, are we going to deal with this? guy. Well, someone's going to get him. Yeah.

Shouts out my friend Chris, who drafts or picks up Josh Gordon. He's his favorite overseer every single year. He's always in. Give me one team that you really hope he signs with. What's the top? Anyone where he'll actually be on the field. So to me, it's Seattle or Tampa Bay

because if he goes to Seattle, Russell, just take care of him. And if he goes to Tampa Bay, Tom Brady, we'll just take care of him. Tampa Bay. He's going to be like the eighth receiver on Tampa Bay. There's one hitting us right in the face. Who's the best team in the league who has a very lack of who has a lot of lack of depth at the water's movie.

Yeah. Oh, they do take Genesis again. I guess I was thinking of it as like who's the best team to like let him actually stay on the field, but that's more boring. Either Kansas City or Green Bay. Green Bay. Kansas City actually does make sense,

which is kind of crazy. Baltimore? No. Yeah, I don't want that. It would be good for fantasy, but yeah. I don't know. They're good. They're like.

Are you actually? Yeah, so should people actually pick them up? We're recording this on Tuesday. He's honestly, he's probably gone in your league. I don't, or maybe not.

I don't know, but like 10 team league, I don't think he's worth it, but like, Craig's looking at me like I'm crazy. You would pick him up into 10 team league? No, no, no, but I would bid some money. He's a free agent right now. To be clear, he's not on the team. A couple bucks. You know what? Here's the one thing about free agent auction spending. No one ever spends their 100. Everyone finishes the year with like $70 because they're afraid to spend the money. Throw $2 at him. Who cares? A hundred percent agree with you, Craig. Like the only people who spend the number are the people who make it to the playoffs of the championship.

Yeah, you should want to finish your season with $0 in your pot than like 40 and not get the guy you wanted in week five because you were nervous. This is something we had a question on Twitter asking basically, and we'll get into, I guess this will be a good segue, but basically it was asking how much of my FAB money, so what percentage of my free agent auction budget would I spend on Elijah Mitchell? And the answer for that is, I don't know, because you're league, you have to really, you have to know your league. Like, are you in a league? And you guys seem to be in leagues where people are like stingy with their fab dollars. I'm in leagues where people just go fucking balls to the wall

and spend their entire fab on one guy in week one. It's not the league as stingy or spending a lot. It's individual people. My brother will proudly spend $45 on his like free agent auction budget budget. Basically every, in the first two weeks, he spent half his money. And then other people, like the other six people are like Craig where they're sitting at $100 and everyone else is middle. So it's really, can you predict the wild cards? Yeah. So the answer is you have to know your league a little bit or at least try and read the room as like playing poker, I guess. But I would say it's worthwhile spending a good chunk of your fab money on Elijah Mitchell because he could, like we talked about last episode, he could be just the next Kyle Shane Han running back that comes

out of nowhere and rushes for 1,500 yards. Yeah, if there's a 20% chance he keeps the job the whole season, then it's the best $30 of free agent budget you've ever spent your life. we should mention here that the Niners did sign Kerry on Johnson they added him to their practice squad DK does that affect the way you think about Elijah Mitchell at all? No, that doesn't worry me. To me, that's just depth having a backup option. It's kind of like, it's a little bit like the Ravens situation,

but the Ravens actually have more injuries, so they're like down to their third string guy, you know. The 49ers still have Elijah Mitchell who they drafted and who they talked about in the preseason as a guy they're really like, they obviously still have Trey Sermin. who I don't even want to get into that. And then Jeff Wilson's going to be coming back halfway through the year at some point. And he's going to ruin everyone's fun, I'm sure.

So this is Barry in the lead. Rahim Moster out for the season. We found that out on Tuesday. He's going to have surgery on his knee, try and come back next year. But he is gone. He's out for the year now. So now it's, I would guess, you know, I don't know what the situation is internally in the 49ers. But based on what we know right now, it's Elijah Mitchell's job to lose, right?

Yeah, well, this person who tweeted us, DK, we should probably respond to a tweet because this episode won't come out until tomorrow when the free auction bidding has already... Oh, I did. I responded to him. The window closed. Oh, okay. By the way, this is great. I responded to him and then he deleted the initial tweet because he didn't want his league mates to see it. That's awesome. The point being, you might be listening to this in time to make a bid for Elijah Mitchell. You might be listening, like, not in time. The point being, if you got him or not, you have to be prepared that, like, two weeks or now, he just gets beat out by, like, Jamichael. hasty for a game and it's going to be a roller coaster, but like, you just hang on because it's a roller coaster in 49ers. It land. It's worth it. It's worth the, again, it's just like, every four years, Kyle Shannon has like some rookie six rounder go for 1,600 yards. You know, play the odds. That's all. And these guys usually have, it's usually weeks one to three when like the big injury happens and then the guy comes in that's going to be a player, like the James

Robinson type for the rest of the year, how people had adjusted Jefferson like week three last year. So I would say that now is the time. time to spend your money. For Elijah Mitchell, like, I don't think $30 is unreasonable. You know what I mean? Something around that. I actually agree with that because I think a lot of people would say $30 is too much. And to your point, Craig, well, a lot of time the budget goes to shit if you don't, like, get out to a three and one, four more start in the beginning. Yeah. Like, you can do that two more times. That's three chances at like a potentially league changing player. I agree. And to be clear, like, we're recording this on Tuesday. This is going to come out Wednesday morning. So obviously,

a lot of most leagues are, the waivers are already run. But I think generally speaking, what we're saying is don't be afraid to just go for the gusto in your with your fab like dollars. Like I do this in most of my leagues. Honestly, I spend majority, maybe 90% of my fab, sometimes all of it in the first two weeks. If you want to be like really pinching with pennies, then like just stop buying Starbucks or something in your real life. Like don't like pinch on your fake fantasy free agent dollars. Like that's not the time in life to be frugal. Anyway, okay, let's get to the power ranking. Craig, you have power ranked the week one over reactions for us. and these are your ranking. So if you're wrong,

we're just going to tell you that you're wrong. But please lead us through power ranking land. Okay, yeah. So the way I kind of thought about this is like, what's the freak out scale? What is like the irrational guy

going to think? And this is how I went through, I ranked the top 12 of reactions. Number one. Like from fantasy manager perspective. Like you're looking at your matchup, you've lost or won, whatever. Yes.

The fantasy manager's irrational reaction. Hold on. Do we have a timer? Are we just going to time it in our heads? Oh, right. The timer. Power. We got to start drinking.

All right. Craig, timer's starting right now. Go. All right. First overreaction. It is Zeke, Aaron Jones,

Derek Henry, and the fall of the RB1. So I've broken this up into three these three guys and I've attached a freakout scale. I want to start with Zeke, who I have a three out of ten

on the freak out scale. Then I got Aaron Jones, also a three out of ten on the freak out scale. And Derek Henry, a seven. out of 10 on the freakout scale. So with Zeke, listen, if you go back and look at all the other running backs

in 2020, let me read you a couple of lines. McCaffrey, 59 rushing yards. Camara, 16, Clyde, Edwards-Hillair, 37, Josh Jacobs, 17, Aaron Jones, 15, David Montgomery, 29. This is what happens against the bucks. They asked Zeke to be a 6-0 linement, and he did a good job.

Collinsworth was praising him. Like, he played well for the football team. This is just a classic example of a fantasy guy being pissed that like he didn't play well in the right way. Well, hold on. You're saying Zique people are freaking out three out of ten, or they should freak out three out of ten?

They should freak out three out of ten. So not freak out that much. But this is number one, because I think it is, these three guys, I think, are the biggest overreaction right now of the week. But I'm saying, should be three out of ten.

Yeah. Slow your role there. Slow your role. What about Aaron Jones? Same thing, man. I mean, the entire Packers offense, like disintegrated. They collapsed.

The Saints D played great. They were getting killed. They benched all their start. in the fourth quarter. Their next four games, they're playing the Lions, the Niners, the Bengals. Like,

listen, unless you believe that the entire Packers' offense and the Aaron Rogers era is ending, which I don't, this is another one you've got to chalk up

to a bad week. Derek Henry. Henry, what do you think about this? Well, he had 58 rushing yards on 17 carries. The Titans got smoked kind of offensively.

They didn't really look the same. It looks like they're missing Arthur Smith a little bit. But all of these mistakes, all of the mistakes by the team and just the game adds up into this,

cocktail of maybe creating a mediocre Derek Henry season. This was our, this was my take purge and I don't know, folks. Here's what I'm thinking about Derek Henry. Folks. When they lose, he scores 10 fantasy points a game. When they win, he scores 20. So if the Titans are terrible, you really have to start

worried about Derek Henry. So they have a really easy next four games. They play the Colts, the Jets, the Jags. But then they play the bills, the chiefs, the Colts, the Rams, and the Saints. I think ride Derek Henry for four weeks and then maybe sell high.

What do you guys think? My first thought was doesn't he always start kind of slow and then pick up steam as the year goes on but I was looking at his stats from last year

and no, not really. He had 116 yards in week one, 84, 119, 57, 21212 and in all those, in four of those six games

he had multiple touchdowns. So maybe my memory is just getting foggy. But yeah, this is definitely disconcerting. I think your point exactly, and then we can move on, that you're basically betting on the Titans. You're not even really betting on Henry. It's, are the Titans good? And I got some big questions about that. That's a big question mark to me, so I'm a little bit worried.

My thought is that that was a gross and disgusting taking advantage of the timer system that we've just implemented. But that's all four minutes. Sorry, I jammed three people into one there. Okay. Moving on. Starting the timer again. Go, Craig. next overreaction here it bleeds in from the first one it's just the Titans in Tannhill midway through the second quarter AJ Brown and Julio had zero targets

O line got thrashed how worried are you guys why are they not throwing it to AJ Brown and Julio Jones more this was the thing that worried me the most I mean AJ Brown had four catches Julio Jones had three catches what are you doing I know that they

so respectively they had eight and six targets so that's not terrible but my personal opinion is if you're losing three quarters of the game, these guys should both have double-digit targets, at least. Well, what happened was Chandler Jones, had five sacks and absolutely destroyed Taylor Luan, because here's the thing.

Yeah, that sucked. What the Titans have been able to do, unbelievably, when Arthur Smith was running the Titans' offense, was they would stay on schedule. And that sounds like a very football guy's term, but it's true. It's like you start first in 10,

and you want like a second and six, second and five, or skip third down altogether or get third and two. and when the Titans are like the last two years the Titans have not had a lot of third and longs. They're going to have more now, it seems, without Arthur Smith as their coordinator. Obviously, when they're getting dominated by Chandler Jones

and he's blowing up every third and long, like that's going to suck. I'm curious when they're not giving up five-sack games to one guy, how they do in those throwing situations, but it's not like Tannhill's been unbelievable in third and long. Tannhill's been unbelievable at keeping them on schedule and getting the right amount of yards at every play

and then taking big shots. I'm kind of dubious that the Titans offense will be very good going forward. I think that the two-year stretch is over. I think I would be freaking out more right now if the Falcons had come out and just lit things up, and Arthur Smith had sort of lived up to this offensive guru genius type thing, but they suck too. So I'm just going to take the just wait and see approach with this. If the Titans are bad again next week, my panic level is going to be much higher. And I'm going to probably be out on Julio and A.J. Brown for it.

Well, not A.2 Brown, but Julio for the rest of the year. I don't know. But for now, we'll just chalk it up to one game. They didn't have a good game plan against Chano Jones. Four more easy weeks for the Titans, and then things get dicey. So I'm just saying maybe in four weeks we'll be talking about selling high on Tennessee. Okay. Next, next up.

Number three, Falcons and Kyle Pitts are bused. This is three? He didn't hit 660. He didn't get six catches for 60 years. Yeah, this is number three. Everyone on the Falcons was terrible, and they looked horrible with Arthur Smith, got lit up by the Eagles, the team everybody thought was going to suck. Kyle Pitts had 30 yards.

Calvin Ridley didn't catch a pass after the first 15 minutes of the game. Mike Davis wasn't good. First of all, how dare you, how dare you besmirch Mike Davis, who outplayed Calvin Ridley in this contest? Do you guys remember a couple weeks back when I was telling you about watching preseason football and the Falcons were just the most disgusting offense I've ever seen in my life? Like, their preseason performance, at least the week that I watched. I think it was the first week of the second week,

was pitiful, just pitiful. And it carried over into this, it carried over into the regular season. I know it was a different quarterback situation. No, but that's my question for you, DK, for this Zoom out, for this whole exercise, is do you look at week one these days as an extension of the preseason

just from the lack of practice time teams get? I mean, yeah, I think you have to because honestly, a lot of teams are starting to trend in the direction where they don't even play guys in the preseason. Now, they do have joint practices with other teams and things like that that can kind of simulate games, whatever.

But at the end of the day, these guys are still knocking off the rust and everything. So I don't know. I would say, though, just that vibe, the vibes really carried over from the preseason. The vibes. The vibes around the Falcons, when I watched them in the preseason, we're like, oh, my God. And of course, that was with A.J. McCarran and whoever understood her, so it was totally different. But, like, Matt Jones just did not look good. They got completely over, like Matt Jones, Matt Ryan, they got completely outplayed.

They did not look sharp. And after the first couple series where they look good, they couldn't get it back together and they couldn't make any adjustments to fix it. So the aura of Arthur Smith is, it took a little bit of a knock this week, I'd say. But, you know, it's a long season, so we'll see. I will say real quick about Kyle Pitts,

the underlying numbers for Pitts are strong. Like he ran a lot of routes. He ran routes on 80% of the team's dropbacks. Great number for a tight end. That's what you want to see. You split out wide on the wing, doing all that stuff. Love that. And he had, I think, eight targets.

He was, and I saw this per Hayden Weeks, third in targets among tight ends, sixth in air yards. The production is going to come with Cal Pitts. Cow Pitts is not a bust. The Falcon's offense, though, could overall just be not as good as we hoped. Next one here,

the Jalen Hertz Fantasy Hall of Fame campaign starts right now. Yes. 28 fantasy points, sixth amongst quarterback this week. 364 yards, three touchdowns look good. O'Line was going. great. Is everybody right now feeling extremely stupid for not taking him with the Russell Wilson's of the world? I took way too much, I thought. I have a ton of Jalen Hertz. I feel like we were

touting Jalen Hertz. Like, I feel like if you're listening, I hope you have Jailen Hertz. If you want to trade him, sell high, sure. If you want to keep them and like keep the money in the line, sure. But here's the thing. Here's where we know. Jalen Hertz has not had fewer than 19 fantasy points in his start. It's pretty good. He has not had fewer than 60 rushing yards in the start. I'm not counting the one where he got benched when he was going to get it. Like isn't a few, I mean, there's only five games. Yeah, but that's still very good.

So 60 rushing yards every game. Here's a fun stat. Some Tristan Cockroft. Jalen Hertz has the fifth most fantasy points of any quarterback ever in the first five starts. Fifth most ever through five starts. The list ahead of him, the only guys with more fantasy points than Hertz through five games is Deshawn Watson, Cam Newton, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes. They're all like within 10 points of each other.

on there too. Hertz is at 120 total. Watson's first with 130 and here's the thing. Jalen Hertz got benched in that game. He was basically, if Jalen Hertz had not gotten benched in that week 17 game, let's see if he had led a touchdown drive. He basically would be flirting with the most fantasy points for any quarterback ever in their first five starts. It's not hyperbole. D.K., we have 20 seconds left. Throw cold water on this if you had to. Well, I was going to say this as a positive, but the one piece of cold water that I could throw on this is he had the lowest average depth of target of any

quarterback in the NFL in week one. They basically turned this into a dink and dunk offense where they were just throwing a lot of screens, blah, blah, blah. Once teams start to adapt to that, and I think try and take that away more, or maybe just be very aggressive when they're throwing screens and stuff like that, he's going to have to prove that he can throw down the field. Now, he did make, and I saw this, I think he was like sixth or fifth in the NFL in completion percentage over expectation.

So he was hitting tight window throws this week. His touchdown especially was just right into the, you know, like, through two defenders to Dallas Goddard. It was a really impressive throw. Overall, I thought he looked really good, but he's going to have to prove that, and last year he had a really high A-DOT and his numbers sucked. So that was kind of like the worry.

They're going to have to bridge that gap because last week it was very low A-DOT in terms of his average depth of target when he's throwing passes. Next week, he may have to push it down and feel a little bit more. So we'll see. But overall, Nick Seriani, I think, did a great job designing this game to kind of just, like, ease him in. I think D.K. made a good point, but it's like catching a pass out of bounds. Like, most of that was after the bell, so I feel like I won. Wait, you won, but didn't we agree?

What are we disagreeing on? I don't know. I'm just, I don't know. Just the only one who takes the bell seriously. Disrespecting the bell. Okay, number five, Jamar Chase is back. He never left. He never left. left.

He absolutely 100 fucking percent left. What are you talking about? Well, we, the media made it. He dropped three balls in one preseason game. This is what's interesting. I can't tell which is the overreaction. Is preseason the overreaction or is week one the overreact? Well, let's be clear about one thing.

The reaction was not to the one game. The reaction was he had two and a half weeks of drop passes at training camp where the beat writers were like, huh, he's dropping. Huh, that's two days a row. Huh, that's three days in a row. Two weeks in a row culminating in that game. So which is the overreaction, hyphitz? Week one or the preseason?

I would say they're both overreactions. I would say like if you thought Jim Or Chase forgot how to play football, probably an overreaction, but I don't think being concerned was an overreaction. I also don't think that this solves everything. So is he immediately,

if you guys right now, rest of season, had to pick one Bengals receiver in fantasy football. Who are you taking? Still T. Higgins for me. What do you think, D.K?

Yeah, I mean, I still lean, or I still lean Higgins, but I saw this from Ryan McDowell. I can't find it. I'm trying to pull it up. But he was, Jamar Chase, I believe, was one of 11 receivers since, like, 1988

to go over 100 yards with a touchdown in his first career game. It's like a very small number of guys that have done that. So I don't want to, I don't think we should underestimate what he did in his first freaking game in the NFL. So, I don't know. I just thought it was very impressive. You know, to me it was just like, yeah,

this is what it's going to be the whole time. like stop worrying about a couple of freaking drops in the preseason. Who gives a shit? It wasn't gimmicky either. You know, he, like, I saw some stat about all the routes he ran.

He, like, led the team in short passing routes. He was tied for the lead in vertical routes, and he was either first or tied in routes run every quarter. Translation, he was treated like the number one wide receiver on the Bengals. How much of that's because T. Hegans left the game because he,

I mean, he was carted off, so it looked bad, but he got an IV. Yeah, he was just cramping. He came back. Yeah, just throwing it out there. Okay, number six.

Number six on the overall. reactions, power rankings. Is Najee Harris and every Steelers running back, just James Connor? And what do you mean by that? Like, just a... Just slogging their way to 60 yards on 20 touches every game, as did.

Nagy had 49 yards from scrimmage, 17 touches, no touchdowns. Played literally every snap. Yeah. Literally every snap. I want to dwell on this. Naja Harris gets the Everybody was Right award. Because I banged the drum and I half-joking.

said he would never come off the field. Even I did not expect him to literally never come off the field. A hundred percent snaps is nuts for a running back. And yet, the contrary, the counter to what I was saying was that, well, the line's bad. Well, guess what? Nageras was hit behind the line of scrimmage on 75% of his carries, which was the most in week one. So I feel like everyone was right.

However, I still maintain, if fantasy football is about volume, like, he plays every snap. Like, what else do you want? Yeah. You want him not to get hit behind the line of scrimmage 70% of the time. That would be super nice. That would be chill and cool. But I also think, again, the thing about Nagei is like he's huge, but that maybe can lead to the perception he's not like a good receiver.

I mean, I think he's still going to be able to catch enough that like, you'll, I mean, he played every stop, man. What happened to volume is king? Was the coup de t'a? They also play the Raiders in the Bengals week two and three. I think it would be fine, obviously. I think I kind of feel the same way about Zik as I do about Naji or we all just need to settle down a bit. But not the greatest start.

How did you think he looked like the eye test, Craig? I think he looks normal. I mean, like, he looks fine. Yeah. What do you think? I mean, you know, it was one of those things where he was getting hit behind the line so much. It was actually really hard to tell. Like, if he was any good, it was just like he had nothing to work with.

I wouldn't say he looked incredible, but it was, again, it was a bad situation. It was very tough. I think everything that we thought was going to happen, like Havitt said, did happen. I think he's going to be just fine. I think this volume is exactly what you want. He's getting every single touch, every red zone touch, every target in this passing game for the running back position. So he's going to be totally fine. I'm 100% still in on Naji.

Number seven, overreaction is James Winston Drew Brees. Five touchdowns, less than 150 yards, first quarterback to ever do that. He did throw an interception. he did. Yeah, he did throw one. Did they get called back then or whatever? He got bailed out in the worst. It was, the call kind of

disappeared in the ether. It was the worst. I would think you could say it was the worst roughing the passer penalty in the history of the roughing the passer penalty like existence. And it just didn't matter because the game was a blowout,

but it was the worst one that I've ever seen. The guy, was it Zadaria Smith. He literally tackled James Winston, like the way that you have to practice to tackle the quarterback. It looked like a training. video for the no body weight rule. Teaching tape.

It looked like teaching tape for the can't land. Anyway, who cares about that? The point is, James was great, and I actually think the best play James made was the throwaway. I don't know if you guys saw this, but there was a point where, like, he had really good protection and just was bouncing and no one was open. And he just freaking sailed the ball, like 30 feet over, like, his receiver's head out of bounds. And he actually told Peter King, like, he told Peter King that was his favorite throw of the day. Peter King's, like, he threw five touchdowns.

He's like, I know. But did you see when I threw the ball away instead of, like, like, you know? forcing it. And like, that actually, it's corny, but like that, I don't think there's three James Winston throws like that in the last four years. Like, I think that's a sign that he's changed. He's gone through puberty. He's matured. This is, uh, I've, I became, you guys liked I did the Mitch Heidberg quote for the article on the, in the Cardinals the other day. I thought of another one for James Winston. Mitch Heidberg's, uh, joke is, everyone always talks about how hard it is to stop smoking. Um, and I, but since I don't smoke, I don't really know, but I do know,

God damn it I totally Butchered it basically You have 18 seconds left Go again You can still do it You can still do it Okay so the punch line is It's really funny guys

No the punchline is basically It's as hard It's as hard No I want to hear the joke Tell the joke Fuck the timer I'll break the timer Timeout time out

I need to hear this Mitch Edbert Oh no Hyvitz is disrespecting the timer Fuck the timer Tell me the Mitch Edbert joke This is my nightmare by the way This literally isn't even live And Danny Kelly is struggling

I know. Okay, so here it is. People who smoke cigarettes say, man, you don't know how hard it is to quit smoking. Yes, I do. It's as hard as it is to start flossing. And for James Winston, throwing the ball away is like starting flossing.

It's just like completely unnatural to his whole personality. It's like quitting. I really regret pushing for the joke to be told. That's funny, though. It's just like when he checked down, one of the announcers what he checked down, because it was it,

Who was doing that game? Was it Joe Buck and Aikman? They were like absolutely praising him for checking down. They're like, God, James is really growing. Joe, Camara. None of these guys are open, turned, dumped it off to Camara. Like, that's what you'd like to see out of a professional quarterback. Yeah, it is quite the low bar.

All right, we're starting. I'm sorry, that's what I get for disrespect. I regret everything. Okay. Number eight, on the overreaction scale, this is another take purge that is perhaps coming to fruition. If you are overreacting, shouts out Danny High Fitz.

Josh Allen, falling back to Earth a little bit? Yeah. He was the QB21 this week, which, by the way, crazy week of scoring for quarterbacks, 15 quarterbacks scored 20 or more points. Just a ton.

15 scored 20 more points. But the O-Line didn't look great against Pittsburgh. He had 270 yards, one touchdown, two fumbles. High Fitts, how you feel him? Look, the reality is, I'm not saying Josh Allen will suck again

like he's 2019. Josh Allen, I'm also just not saying that like 2020, Josh Allen was a mix of, like, actual skill improvements, actual better play and immaculate health from the people around him on his offense, and also just like kind of a little bit of good luck, which is not a disrespect. Like the buck's got a little lucky to win the Super Bowl.

Like you can't be as good as he was last year without luck. All I'm saying is like, there will be more suckiness from Josh Allen this year. We saw it. Look, the Steelers are an incredible defense. Minkafetz Patrick was unreal in that game. But like, I still think he's going to be really good this week. I still think he'll have dominant weeks for you in fantasy. I just think

it is naive to look at the biggest increase in completion percentage in NFL history and be like, yeah, that 100% that'll keep up.

I really wanted you to lean into the he's going to suck again thing. No, like he'll have big weeks. I just, he's not the guy who was last

the completion percentage last two years ago, but he's also not going to just be the guy last year. He's both. He's Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah,

last year was just 97% high. I actually don't know which one's which. I don't know which is the good Hyde or Jekyll. Oh, interesting. I don't know if I do either. Who's good?

Jekyll or Hyde? I have no idea, actually. Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde? Doctor, I don't actually, I assume Mr. is the bad guy because doctors are generally good. Jekyll is good. Hyde is the other way. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?

What did Hyde? What did Hyde do? We don't have time. Jekyll is a kind and respected English doctor who has repressed his evil urges inside of him. So, this is worse. This is worse than my rambling fumbling over the punchline of a joke part.

Yeah, it was. Okay. Got deep, Tyler. Okay. God damn it. Yeah, what do we got? Brandon Ayuk, man. People are really panicking if they have Brandon Ayuk. Yeah.

I saw a funny tweet from Ian Harditz at BFF. He was like, I would have a way easier time believing Brandon Ayuk's lack of playing time was due to the hamstring issue if they didn't also use him on a punt return. He also played like half the snaps. Why are you playing him if he's hurt? I feel like, yeah, that's the thing. So the hamstring injury, like, do you guys think it's,

it might be both, but do you think that it's like the hamstring injury was just worse than they thought, or that he actually got beat out of training camp, perhaps in part because of the hamstring injury? God, I don't even know.

I don't even know. I think Dibo being the number one, Dibo and Kittle being like number one, too and Iyuk fighting for third is like legit. and honestly, I think we whiffed on like how Iyuk, his entire stretch last year was awesome

was when Debo and Kittl's, it was out. And he also looked incredible. He was the first round pick they traded up for, I thought. And he looked incredible. And now he's a backup. I just think it's Shanahan mind games and it fucks with people. This is like, and Dante Pettis is a very different player.

I was just going to say that. Brandon Ayuk is way better in every area. But he had a solid, Dante Pettis did, had a solid rookie, second half of the rookie season came on really strong. And then Shanahan essentially just fucking put him in the doghouse and he never played again. Like, he was like he completely ruined the guy. Shanahan's West Coast, he's West Coast Belichick, man. The running back thing, him randomly not liking guys and benching them.

Just iced him out. I think it's important to note the one thing that we also never really talked about IEuk is that he was really good while the 49ers went like two and six or whatever during that stretch. Like the Niners were like very below 500 for that stretch. Nick Ball is. You can separate skill of a receiver. from winning and losing, though. Like, he looked great running rats.

I'm just saying, like, I don't know. I can't explain it. That is the one I feel like I know the least about of this entire list. I'm not, I think he's going to- Are you starting him next week? No, you don't start him. Absolutely. How could you start him? Okay.

I think he's going to come back, though. That's my thing. So then you should overreact to this. Okay. Yeah. You know what? Of everything on this list, I would not play IUC this week. Okay. All right.

Number 10 here. another one for our old Danny Highfits. You should bench Sequin Barclay. Listen here. He had 11 touches on 28 offensive snaps. Fine, whatever. He had 2.6 yards for carry. Very giant-y.

Next week, so they play Washington on Thursday. Here's my theory. I'm going to the game. What? I'm going to the game. John's Washington. I'm going to see all the dismay up front. Really stupid to pay money.

You're just paid money to have a bad time. Don't listen to whatever I say next. I'm paying money to see Giants Washington. Okay. Here's my theory on Sequin. for the season. I think you sit him until he's good and you eat that one game where he comes back and plays really well and you chalk that up to like a net loss. But on the season, it will be a net game because you don't have to sit through all the shitty games he's going to have until he takes off.

Just suffer one takeoff game and then start him. You're saying have him big on your bench before you play him and he sucks. I agree. Well, firstly, it's this simple to be. Like he played less than half of the snaps in this game this week. It was the first time in his career. He's ever played less than half, not counting like games he got hurt. I don't know what would change the Giants' minds about that in three days. It's not like three days go by and they're like, oh, he'd play his second game in four days. Let's have him play more than half the snaps. Week three, I'll have 10 days off between that in the Falcons game, maybe week three.

Realistically, Seekwan's been good, not because he's named Seekwon is big athlete with like huge quads. It's because he gets 90% of the giant snaps. And if he's getting less than half, I would reconsider if he's an automatic start for you. To me, you can bench him this week. D. Do you agree? Yeah. You don't have to bench him.

You just, you can. I mean, yeah, it depends on the teams, of course. But I have him on one team, and I can't stomach starting him. I just think it's one of those things where he's not going to get enough snaps. He had done in the good. The Giants are terrible. They're playing a good front seven. The Washington defense, to me, is not.

I don't see why this game will be different than the Denver defense, like, on Sunday. Washington is probably better up front. And the thing is, the Giants scored 14. The Giants scored in the last play of the game with one. second left down 24. Like they scored one touchdown and the Washington defense is very similar. Also, did Seicorn, sorry if you already said this, did he have any catches?

Did he have one target or something? He had one catch for, he basically, what is it? 15 touches for 27 yards, 12 touches for 20 yards? Golly. One catch for a yard. Like it's... Sit them. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Number 11, overreaction. Lamar Jackson, pretty rough week one.

Should you be worried? You know, they're playing a Raiders deed that no one was really writing home about, if you like, in the off season. his legs were once to get incredible and gives him a floor you know he ran for like 70, 80 yards as he kind of always does

but I don't know man he missed a lot of passes it felt like they didn't really want to use his legs in the beginning they kind of ended up having to but he was the QB 20 on the weekend in a game where they played

pretty much five quarters right that's a huge Lamar doesn't suck the Ravens are the most injured team in football and so if Lamar's trying to become a better passer he's already hamstrung

by the fact that all these receivers that if he hasn't the only receivers he hours were healthy didn't have training camp and then not to mention that I mean now they've won't Ronnie Stanley still recovering from his knee injury who's their left tackle the right guard just got hurt I forget his name but he's decent

but he's hurt and Villanueva got handled every like not to mention the running backs that are banged up I mean this is just kind of a disaster for this Ravens one week into the season like what do you think DK Max Crosby had like 13 pressures or something ridiculous he was pressur

Pressured, Lamar Jackson was pressured, I believe, on half of his dropbacks, which is... Ronnie Stanley gave up, like, terrible. Like, I think as many pressures as he had in, like, the entire, like, 20-20 season or something close. What the hell was going on? I mean, I think Crosby's good and Gawkeway is good, so there's that. But also, it's just, man, they looked... Their offense just didn't look good to me. It didn't...

They didn't move the ball crisply. There was a few very exciting plays from Jackson, like Marquis-Brown had a few flashy plays. But, like, where was Mark Andrews? there was one play he dropped a pass like late in the game that was like a key play i just he mark andrews is turning into one of the most frustrating superstar fantasy guys you know what i mean it's like he's either he's either just scoring two touchdowns and looking awesome making these incredible one-hand grabs or he just does jack shit so i don't know man it's like three years in a row where mark andrews just had like drops in just incredibly important moment it's like their own

fantasy doesn't go in the box score but they're always an important spot for baltta more. Yeah, especially, especially in a game where Darren Waller is just going freaking ham on people, 19 targets. Like, get, get Mark Andrews involved, man. You don't have any other receivers. What are you doing? Okay. Next one here. Is Antonio Brown just the best fantasy wide receiver on the books? I would, this is a good, I like this. I think he will often be that. If you look at the games that they have all played together, Antonio Brown, Chris Godwin, and Mike Evans, since Antonio Brown started midweek, mid-season,

in last year. He has the exact same amount of targets as Mike Evans and three less than Chris Goddwin. Like, it's a three-headed beast and it's equal. Who played well in week one? It was Gronk and A.B.

Those are the guys that Brady specifically brought to Tampa Bay. Those are the guys Brady specifically has worked with and they know exactly what he wants. Well, Godwin had 14 targets, nine catches in 105 years. He did well too.

But my point being, I just, it's like, I actually, like Brady likes what he likes. Brady wants what he wants. The guys who can do that for him get the ball. I think A.B. plays.

Ariens was talking about how he looked like old AB. Aryans used to coach him. We were kind of high on him in the off season about his fantasy

outlook and it immediately paid off. If somebody told me right now, I debated my take purge being Antonio Brown's going to straight up outscore Mike Evans

this year. Oh, that seems like a given now. I don't know. It feels pretty, it feels pretty like a strong bet that's going to happen.

It's like, look, AB had an eight like, I can't say I love rooting for him, but he did have, he had the best eight season stretch of receiving yards in NFL history, and he looks at about 85% as good as when he did that. I mean, he looked very fast, very twitchy, explosive.

I would say, I would push back on Craig's take here, though, and I think that Godwin is still going to be the top guy in this offense, especially since he's running a lot of his routes out of the slot, like he's just going to, especially in PPR and half PBRR, he's going to get peppered with targets. I still think, you know, he was, There was one, he fumbled that ball away late in the game when he was trying to dive in for the end zone. But he would have had two touchdowns, you know, if he would have held on to that.

And we'd be talking about this a little bit differently, I think. I think Godwin is still the guy. I think he's, you know, I think Antonio Brown is probably an all around the best receiver in this group. But I think Godwin's ascending. And Mike Evans and Brown are both sort of on the decline, you know, relative to where they were before in their careers. Evans to me is like, are we benching Evans now? I feel like you have to bench Evans. That's an insane overreaction to me.

You're going to bench Mike Evans? I don't know. TK's 12 shots into power hours, so we can't really judge him right now. I'm going hard on this Cambocha. No, but honestly, though, how much do you trust Evans to bounce back after that first week? This is something that we had to go through

every week last year when he scored like seven goal line touchdowns. But the usage, the underlying usage is really crappy. target rate 13% in week one and that's like lower than he was last year it was 17% last year I would not bench Mike Evans I'm worried I doubt people have three options better than Mike Evans

okay last one here I want to do honorable mention this one's hilarious and we do it every year it said Adam Thielen just continues to be good and everybody writes him off the man has 28 touchdowns in his last 42 games he's got a touchdown in two thirds

of the games he's played since 2018 in 2018 he was the wider receiver 8. In 2020, he was the wide receiver 8. 2019, he was hurt. He had two touchdowns this week. It's hilarious. He's just white and over 30. That's literally it. Well, no, it's not just that. Although that obviously it hurts. No, it's not just that because he had 14 touchdowns last year. And like the way touchdowns work, it just assumed that like you're probably not going to be. What do you turn 14, like 20 red zone targets,

22 into 14 touchdowns? Like that doesn't usually happen. The flip side is that at the extreme ends of regression, sometimes there are guys where it's actually just a skill. Gronk is like that. Kelsey's like that. Devante Adams is like that because they have the skill set and the rapport with the quarterback where they're just incredible to an outlier level in the end zone. I'm wondering if Thielen and Kirk Cousins are there.

But I guess what I'm saying is is it's kind of been there. I mean, he had six touchdowns in 10 games the year before that and he had nine touchdowns a year before that. What I'm saying is, it's not like he's... No, but what I'm saying is you're right in that when we talk about the best red zone connections, it's Mahomes and Kelsey. It's Rogers and DeVante. Guys that even though

everyone knows where the ball's going, they can get it anyway. I think maybe we need to talk about Kirk Cousins and Thielen in that conversation. DeLan had all of the end zone targets in this game for the Vikings. That's Devonthe Adams-esque. It's so funny. How many times you watch the Packers game on primetime and it's like, in Collinsworth's like, well, we know where they're going to here. And then he just get it anyway, even though Devonty's double.

Like, that's stealing now. But no one's to say it because, you know, no one really looks Kirk Cousins. So all I'm saying is like if, I don't know, If Deontay Johnson had 14 touchdowns last year, I don't think anybody would be like, well, regression. Yes, they would. Real quick, I'm feeling like the Vikings are going to be a fertile fantasy land this year

because I think that they are as bad as I thought they might be defensively and everything. Am I overreacting to week one, them getting beaten by the Bengals? Or do you think that they're, because remember High Fitz, you were like, oh, their defense can be so much better, and therefore their offense isn't going to have to do as much stuff, which I throw as much, yeah. Could happen. I still think it's preseason.

It's certainly in play. And yeah, Kirk Cousin is also totally streamable quarterback as long as the defense is bad. But I agree. I want to see it. I would not brand any defense locked in for this week. All right. Let's get to some emails. First of all, we're bringing back bad beats.

You can send us your bad beats. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Put in the subject line. Bad beats. Got a bad beats from Nate. Nate. This is from Nate. I thought this was fun because the,

Monday night football game ending was one of the more insane football games I've ever seen in the NFL. Yeah. So this is from Nate. He has zero, he needs 19 points from Lamar Jackson to win. Lamar Jackson gets him 18.9. So he is 0.1 point shy of winning. Yeah. And the Ravens give up the ball in their final drive.

So the game's probably over. Then the Raiders drive down and get to overtime. So he's still alive. But the Raiders win the toss, which is bad. Right. Raiders drive down the field, which is bad. better. Raiders score the game winning touchdown. He writes, I lose by 0.1 points. I need to win. I'm at peace. My struggle has ended. The end is nigh. The touchdown gets overruled.

The celebrating players. I know where this is going. Called off the field. Nate writes, the Lord works in mysterious ways, but it's first and goal on the one, so I'm still screwed. Then the Raiders do the past, the, the fall start. They pull a C-off. Yeah. He's like, miracles ran upon me. Lamar completes the 10-yard pass to Sammy Lockins. He is up now. He is winning. Hallelujah. And then Lamar fumbles on the next play, loses him the two points, ready to score game over. Oh, brutal. I love this. The end of that game was so fucking funny, by the way. So I was in a matchup with Scott Barrett from Fantasy Points last night. I was up on him by one point, one point. And we're in a tight end premium league,

and he had Waller. So Waller had to just catch one pass. And this is going into overtime. And we're texting each other, like the game goes to overtime. I'm like, fuck, like, you're going to win. All he needs is one catch. They're definitely going to pass it to Waller. And his response to me at the time, this was before overtime was, well, we for sure know it's not going to be Brian Edwards catching anything because, like, you know, inside joke Edwards had not caught anything that whole game, like zero targets.

Then they immediately go to Edwards like three straight times. He catches the quote game winner. We're dying. And then, of course, the Raiders do their thing. Totally messed up. I don't even know what the hell happened in the end of the game. I can't even remember there's so many weird things.

It was the most Raiders thing that's ever happened when they had the ball up the one, false start, pick, and everything. I think the fact that Raiders won covered up the fact that if they had lost that game, John Gruden would be under the most intense microscope immediately because the Manning, did you guys watch the Manning broadcast?

I thought it was the best television I've seen in a long time. Yeah, I watched it. Eli Russell Wilson and Peyton are watching this. And their reactions to car sucking were hilarious, but like, they're at the one yard line. And the second the Raiders got to, like, the play was overruled and they got to the one. Eli immediately said, man, they just thought they won. All the linemen are going to be really jumpy.

You got to go on the first count. Yeah. Like, you have to go on the first count. And then two plays later, Derek Carr goes hard count and they do the false start. Everyone's blaming the guy. And Elon and Peyton them are like, that's not his fault. Like, you can't do a hard count. Why were they hard count?

What's even the point? And then they go back and then it's the pick and then anyway. That was a crazy game. Okay. You guys want to do fantasy court? Yeah.

All right. You can email us your fantasy court. Questions. You can get on the docket. Ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. The fantasy court is now in session. Let's go to the calendar call. Our first,

thank you to all the lawyers who emailed me all these fancy legal words. Our first petitioner is Josh. whose commissioner has quit. Magistrates. Interesting. We need your help. Our league is full of vindictiveness,

bad vibes, and general shithousery. And we love it. Our league is even called fantasy over friends. We have a constitution because all of the attempts there have been to cheat the system.

That's really funny. Can you send us to Constitution, we have followed up for the Constitution. I will say, I have to dust off my fantasy constitutional law. We'll see how I do. He says, in our league you need to start every position.

According to the Constitution, quote, you need to field a team every week, parentheses, you cannot have blank roster spots or players on biweeks. You can place an injured player in an active slot, end quote. The commissioner's team did not have a kicker. And before Sunday football,

other teams picked up all the remaining three agent kickers. Holy shit. So the commissioner picked up an unsigned kicker and played him for zero points because, you know, the kicker didn't have a real-life team. The league thinks the commissioner

should be punished by losing 10% of his free agent dollars. The commissioner has decided to no longer be the commissioner because according to him, there was no shady shit, no advantage, and he's pissed. What is fair?

Should he be punished? If so, with what? Magistrates? So they're mad because... So I guess he's saying he can put it... If you can put an injured player in that spot,

what's the difference between putting a free agent in that spot? But the rest of the league is like, look, dude, we fucked you over. You have to take your getting fucked or whatever.

I don't get this. This is so unfair. So this guy got screwed out of the kicker, started a free agent, and now everyone's like, screw you, dude, you didn't follow the rules and start a guy who plays for a team

so you have to sacrifice 10% of your budget. This is a witch trial. And the commissioner is quitting? This is a witch trial. This is unbelievable because it's like, first of all, this is very simple. The rule they sent us from the Constitution does not say anything that you can't play a guy who hasn't been signed.

Like there's nothing in here that says that what he, like it says it has to be filled. He filled it with a guy. He did something. Why do you? I don't understand why you can't play a guy who's on a biweek, but you can play an injured player. Like, what's the point of that? Also, like, why did you even have to, like, why not let blank roster spots happen?

Like, if the guy fucks up, he fucks up. I think that it's the shithazery that was mentioned before and the bad vines. I think what's incredible is they're like, it's very like burn the witch. Like, hey, he didn't have it. Take his money. Like, what is the, what is the justification for being like, 10% of his budget?

Right. They screwed him over and they were like, hey, sorry, dude. Looks like you're going to have to give up 10% of your money. Do you know a lot of the witches in the Salem Witch trial were like old people who like didn't necessarily have inheritance or didn't have people to for their inheritance. So it was like a way to like steal from them. It's kind of like feels what's going on here. Okay.

Next one. Wow. Wait, wait, wait. but so wait, the guy isn't the commissioner, right? The guy emailing us is not, but the person who is getting attacked is the commissioner, and in response he's been like, I don't want to be the commissioner anymore.

I stand with that man. Yeah, I think he's right. Like, he's getting absolutely screwed here. Yeah. This is what a Constitution is for. Like, it's to defend, this is a Fourth Amendment issue. Like, he's accused, like, you're

innocent until proven. There's an attack on the Constitution. It really is. There's no due process here. Okay. Our next petitioner is Miles. I'm looking for a rule on scoring... Miles. Kilometers.

I'm looking for ruling on a scoring change on behalf of my Dynasty League. This is the first year of our Dynasty League and the first controversial issue that has occurred. So we want to make sure we handle this properly to set a strong precedent. On Sunday, I noticed that the league was scoring all fumbles as negative one

and lost fumbles as negative two. So they're being double counted, so any fumble loss was effectively negative three points. I pointed this out in the group chat. It was immediately agreed that it was a bad rule and that the rule should be reverted to just negative two for all lost fumbles, which is setting.

So it's negative two instead of negative three. Commissioner agreed to change the rule did not affect the outcome of any game on Sunday. Last night, however, Lamar Jackson fumbled three times and lost two of them. Our commissioner had not yet changed the rule. It was unclear when he was going to do it. So Lamar's point total was negative seven

based on these fumbles. The Lamar team, that just happens to be the commissioner's team, lost by point one, four points. So we are at a strange point where we wanted to change the rule moving forward for the season. but in the middle it has clearly impacted the outcome of the matchup, which is the commissioner's team. So there's three paths.

Do we change the fumble scoring to impact week one, but gives them the rule that they agreed on? Do they keep the fumble scoring that we don't like and then just change it next to off season? Or they change the fumble scoring for week two and keep how it was in week one. And they're voting in the chat, but they have already talked in the group chat,

and our ruling will supersede any vote that they cast. Wow. Well, so my reaction is if everybody decided on Sunday that this should be the rule, then it should be the rule. He said, I pointed it out in the chat and immediately half the league agreed it was a bad rule and we should divert solely to the commissioner agreed to change the rule. If you got majority vote, then I think the guy who lost with Lamar should have won and you should retroactively change his score and reinstate this correct fumble ruling. I'm so glad that you guys zeroed in on that because I've already found. followed up with Miles for more information specifically on what many people immediately agreed. And what he said was nobody, like nobody disagreed on the rule change. He posted, he showed me

the group may. He pointed it out. Five people immediately agreed. You got discovery. High Fitz, you got discovery of the whole, like all the evidence. I got to, I got power of discovery. Yeah. And like five people immediately agreed. The commissioner was like, yeah, let's change this. Like there was no dissent, not one of those big arguments. It was like, the five people who are on the chat were like, yeah, that's dumb. There shouldn't be double counted for fumbles. So I actually lean to like, if they had agreed on it, they should, I kind of think the commissioner gets the win.

I would actually say this. If the person who he was playing was one of the five, it's 100% the commissioner gets the dub for the new, like the fumble rules has changed retroactively. That I agree on. And I almost agree even if it's not him. Because if you had six guys who said, yeah, we're okay with this. and everyone else said nothing, saying nothing is almost the same as saying yes.

Because if they felt strongly against it, they would have spoken up. I will say this, though. If the guy was not one of the five who said yes, I think that's kind of tough because, like, the rules should not be changed generally unless it's, like, unanimous mid-season. But this was an accident.

That's the thing. It's not like everyone got together and was like fumbles are worth negative three. Yeah, this is also one of these dumb rules that no one actually uses, too. So it's like, yeah, just change it to, standard. This was an accident. The guy should win the game. The commission should get a W. Retroactively change his record. It just so happens to be that there's an appearance of a conflict

of interest because the commissioner will benefit. But if the commissioner was not the person benefiting, we would very clearly be like, this is what a commissioner is for. Is like, this is a mistake that this is the scoring. No one ever intended this. It's never been this way before. This reminds me of the, I don't remember who it was. I think of maybe the Broncos and some other team that had a trade that happened. And they just never filed it to the NFL or like took too long to faxed it to the NFL. And it just like ran out of time. The Browns never faxed in the trade.

They were going to trade for, I don't remember what was. Maybe Andy Dahl. No, who was the backup to Andy Dilton in Cincinnati, the Alabama guy? McCarron. Terrible tattoo. Yeah, yeah, McCarron. And then the Browns maybe sort of kind of on purpose didn't fax it so they didn't have to do the trade.

Because everyone was like, why are you doing that? And they're like, oh, shit, maybe we shouldn't do this. And they were like, just like, yeah, it's not that's time. The other one was, the Broncos one was Elvis Duberville couldn't get to a Kinko's in time to sign the contract, like before you could sign it on your iPad. This is a fucking billion dollar. Yeah, like, he's literally signed a $40 million and couldn't get the Kinkos. You didn't get the deal.

It all comes down to a fax machine. Love that. So the reason I say that is, I think we made our, we've made our ruling, right? that the score should be trained retroactively even though it's the commission. Blah, blah, blah. However, commissioner, get your shit together. That's the theme of Lotties.

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Who do you think? I didn't. I didn't. All right, sorry. Norm McDonald, S&L cast member for 15 years, passed away. One of the funniest people who has ever lived. Yeah. Rest in peace.

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