The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking Midseason Fantasy Awards

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Power Hour! Handing out the most notable midseason superlatives heading into Week 8, including the most valuable waiver wire pickup, the sleeper who never woke up, the biggest busts, and much more (1:03). “You guys want to do some emails?” (51:13) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! Most Valuable Player (So Far) (2:35) Biggest Chaos Agent (7:15) Most Likely to Go Fast (9:51) Most Bonus Jonas (11:59) Biggest Busts of the Season (14:44) The Sleepiest Sleeper (a.k.a. the Sleeper Who Never Woke Up) (23:34) Family Man of the Year (26:08) The Reddest Herrings (29:44) Post-Hype Sleeper MVP (34:38) The Biggest Sliding Doors Moment (37:55) Steven Glansberg Memorial: The Best Player No One Is Talking About (40:15) Don’t Cry Because It’s Over; Smile Because It Happened (43:28) The Worst Recommendation That Actually Worked (46:33) The Most Embarrassing Pick That Worked Out (49:03) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Your fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyfitz and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Quirleck. Today it is power hour every week. We are power ranking something on Wednesdays during the season. And today is a big day. We are giving out our mid-season fantasy football superlatives. We've got seven weeks into the season, close enough to halfway. And it's time.

We're just going to give some superlatives. How is everyone doing? D.K., did you not win Best Laugh in your high school yearbook superlatives? Yeah, I did, actually. And I'm glad that you recognize what a. superlative is because I had to call you and explain it to you. No, we're going to talk about this later when you, the first, we're not doing this at the top. I kind of just watched YouTube bicker for the last 12 hours via text about what is and what is not a

superlative. D.K., why don't you just pipe up when you feel like that some things are not a superlative and everyone will just be titillated by the conversation? Well, they're all superlative now because I insisted upon making them all superlative. So it was a real window into our relationship. Anyway, we're going to do this power hour style. If you're not familiar with power hour, it's very simple. after two minutes you're going to hear this sound

great song Tom Tom Club incredible and if you're watching on Fendell TV ironically we chose Tom Tom Club because we wanted fantasy by Moriah Carey but we couldn't get the right so we started playing Tom Tom Club by Genius Love and then we couldn't get the rights for that on Faddle TV which is kind of meta and so now we have different music on Fendl TV so I guess the question is at some point should we play the Faddle TV music on the show Yes.

Yeah, now people want the Fandl TV sound because we always talk about how if you're listening or if you're watching on Fandall TV, you can't hear Tom Tom and now people want to hear what that is. There's like a whole cinematic universe to what we play during Power Hour. Yeah, Kai, at some point you can drop in that music instead. Don't tell us what, just mix it in. You know, it'll surprise this guy. All right, so without further ado, we're going to do our midseason fantasy football superlatives, starting with number one, waiver wire MVP.

It's Pooka Nakuwa for the L.A. Yeah, you know, I think I thought about this a lot. There are a ton of candidates. You could obviously say McCaffrey or Tyree Kill. You could have said A-Chain if he didn't get hurt. There's a lot of options. But I think it has to be Puka considering the fact that he just wasn't even drafted. And he's the wide receiver four on the season.

There's been a ton of outliers this year, but he has to be the best of them all. Like I was going back a few years to look at other outliers. Like last year, like what Pook is doing is pretty rare. Like last year, the biggest outliers were like Tony Pollard is the RB7. You know? 2021, Hunter Renfro was the wider receiver 11. Even thinking about that is bizarre. Corderle Patterson, RB9.

But like, Pooka Nukuahua being the wider receiver four after seven weeks behind only Tyree Kill, Stefan Diggs, and AJ Brown for a fifth round rookie at a BYU is wild. He's definitely the best waiver pick up with the year. But I mean, with the value, like he probably just is the MVP period because maybe McCaffrey went the first and Puka, you just added. The wild thing, too, about him is even once Cooper Cup has come back, he's still maintaining his value. You know what I mean? In fact, he might even start getting better because he's going to

score more touchdowns going forward. He is averaging right now 11.7 targets per game, which is second only to Jamar Chase on the season. Like, this guy is as automatic as they come in the NFL, even more than Cooper Cup right now. Cooper Cup just scored six points in a game. And Puka da Cua

is just dominating. The people have entered the NFL and just done this immediately is I mean, honestly, this hasn't happened basically since like Anquan Bolden like 20 years ago. Yeah, and Puka was like a late round pick. And Ancorn Bolden, I mean, at least he was a bigger prospect. This is why sports are so weird, because like if Cup never got hurt, does Puka Nkua have a career in the NFL? I don't think he'd be playing if he was on any other team.

You know they'd be playing, D.K.? No, I don't think he'd even be playing if he was on a different team. And that's not taking away necessarily from who he is as a player, because I think he is a legitimately good player. But I think he just happened to be in this system with this quarterback. That's just absolutely perfect for him. And like his skill set, He was drafted by the perfect team. I think you could say the same thing about, like, Devon A chain, you know. Okay. I immediately want to break the rules.

And I know we just, we're immediately disrespecting Tom Tom. DK. Yeah. Sometimes we get lost in fantasy football and like, you are, you know, PPR and stuff. He's getting a lot of targets. How good is Pukukukua? Like, just real life, if you were going to, like, for your real life NFL team, you could have, you know, Madden fantasy draft style.

We're like, all right, you can start from scratch. You're not going to take Justin Jefferson. You're not to take Pooka to Kuwaiter over Justin Jefferson for your franchise. Like, how good is he? Is he a top 10 receiver in real life? Is he a top 20 receiver in real life? Is he better in fantasy than real life? I wouldn't put him there yet.

I think he's, again, I think he's going to be a very good player, and he already is a good player. He's already proven it. Like, everything he's done throughout the seven games of his career, literally it's like almost all records for production. It's almost all records. He keeps breaking the record for the next game. He hasn't played yet. He broke the record for two catches through two games and one.

And every keeps doing. Like, he has the record, I think, through eight games. And he's already played seven. Like, it's crazy. But I'm not going to. I'm not going to say that he's not good. Clearly, he's very good or else he wouldn't be doing this. But at the same time, like, he's just, again, he landed in a perfect situation where his

skill set perfectly matches up with what this offense wants to do and the quarterback. What, like, he has a complete trust to Matt Stafford, which is obviously a huge deal. When I said he might not be playing on another team, it's not because he's not good. It's just because typically fifth or six round rookies get stuck on, like, at the very bottom of, you know, the ladder in terms of the hierarchy of when guys are getting in and all that. he might have had to spend two years working his way up the chain. It just worked out perfectly for him. So I don't know.

I would not put him in as a top 10 receiver in the NFL right now, but I think he's maybe someday going to be. He fits the role, right? It's like without him, when Cooper Cup was hurt, it was like Fan Jefferson. It was 2-2-out. Well, there was nobody who could, like, replace what Cooper Cup did. Not that anyone can.

But like, who can do Koo was the perfect fit to slide in and replace that role, right? That's really why he was able to succeed. Yeah. And I think he, like, his skill set, he is, he's big, he's tough. If you see some of these catches that he makes, yeah, good hands, he gets beat up on some of these routes.

Like he's taking big hits. I feel like he's another player out there that every time he catches a football, I'm like, oh, man, is he okay? Because he kind of gets up slowly after every single catch. I feel like he's just absolutely out there, you know, battling.

So I have a ton of respect for him. I think he's a very good receiver. But again, it's like, I'm not going to put him over like the Stefan Diggs, A.J. Browns, Keenan Allen's, Justin Jefferson's. Not even remotely yet,

even though right now he's scoring more fantasy points than those guys. So on that note, sticking midseason superlative, sorry Tom, Tom, Club for breaking the rules. Kai, you can restart the clock. Biggest chaos agent this season. Sean McVeigh and the Rams. So I think coming into the season, the biggest disparity between expectation and what has actually happened is for the Rams.

And I think obviously right now the, you know, most important or most valuable team so far in fantasy is the Dolphins, but we've seen what they've done. And we'll get to that. But for me, it's like the biggest surprise, the most chaotic group here is the Rams. And we've already talked about Pukina Kua, who has been, you know, the most valuable waiver pickup in the NFL, maybe like honestly the most valuable player, period. And but also, by the way, Kairn Williams came out of nowhere. Like, if you, if we, if you would have talked to us a week before the season, we'd have been like,

I think KAMakers and Van Jefferson are going to be like the big fantasy contributors in the first four weeks of the season while Cooper Cup is on IR. And it turns out it's Pook and Akua coming out of nowhere and being one of the top players in fantasy period. And then Kiron Williams also just completely supplanting Camakers. He's the RB4 right now through seven weeks. He's averaging 18 touches per game. He leads all running backs still in snap rate, 82% of the snaps for the offense for the ramps.

And so just, Sean McVeigh just came in and just laid waste. He just created chaos in the fantasy world. I don't think we've ever seen this before. This is so weird that it's Kyron Williams and Puka Nakua are two of the most, maybe the two most valuable players in fantasy football. And like 99% of the average football fan have never heard of these people. I mean, right now on the Rams, you have Cooper Cup, Puka Nakua, and if Kyron Williams were healthy, Kyron Williams, who are three top five players at their position.

They're essentially like the dolphins. They're just slow. They're performing at like, they don't miss tackles. They're kind of just the slow dolphins. The whales? The whales? The manatee. They're the manatees.

The sea cows. They're not the ones like jumping out of the water and twirling around and shit. Like they are slow, deliberate. The river dolphins. You know, the river dolphins are blind. Like they can't see. Right. Oh my God.

Too much muck in there. The manatees. Okay. That's incredible. It's like the sea lions at like San Francisco in the pier that just like lay there. Just basking in the sun. That's the ramp. Oh, crap.

Been in L.A. for too long, you know. Lazy. Lazy fat seals. Andrew Whitworth's got some sea lion energy. All right, next up, we got the most likely to want to go fast. Mike McDaniel, head coach for the Dolphins. So you know the beginning of Talladega nights when they're like, who wants to go fast?

And Ricky's like, I want to go fast. I just feel like that's Mike McDaniels. Because one, he literally is like that guy. He's literally the equipment guy. He just gets to run the team now, which is kind of incredible. And he still has that. energy. It's like if Eric Spolstra was like the least serious person of the world.

You know what I mean? It's like both Miami teams are guys that came from the literal bottom. But Eric Spolstra's the most serious guy in the world is that he had head coach and Mike McDaniel's the least serious person I've ever seen doing any job ever. Mike McDaniels sprints away from interviews now. That's like his bit. He sprints away when he's finished with interviews. He feels like the first coach who's truly embraced the internet, right?

It's true. He's 100%. He takes none of this seriously. But I will say like it's crazy what he did because I think the biggest thing, The best thing you could have done entering this fantasy season was just stack the dolphins because it was the cheapest one you could have done. Tyree Kill in the first round, could have two in the ninth, Rahim Mostert later. And it's like, Tyree Kill, number one wide receiver in the season.

He's the second most points through seven weeks in the 21st century. Like the only, he's only behind Cooper Cup two years ago when Cooper Cup won the triple crown for yards and catches and touchdowns in season. And Tyra kills two. Three is Randy Moss in the 2007 Patriots. That's where Tyree kills at. That kind of context is mind-blowing. Then Rahim Moster's the number two running back.

on the season. Only behind Christian McCaffrey's the first running back off the board. Mind you, Rahim Oster and McCaffrey both have 11 touchdowns this season. That's only happened 10 times in the 21st century, 11 touchdowns through seven games. And then Devon A. Chan, 455 yards, rushing yards, and seven touchdowns in basically his first three games. That's basically a record through four, but he got one carry in his first game. The two, three, four career games, he had almost seven touchdowns. He was a healthy scratch in his first game and the second game he got one carry. And then his third game is what he finally took off.

Right now he's still, after missing several games, he's the RB7. Like that's what he's done. Insane. And then on top, two is merely a top five quarterback. So, great song.

Mike McDaniel's just like, he's, I feel like in some way the defining part fantasy season. I have a superlative to parlay off of the Mike McDaniel. It's the, it's the bonus Jonas Award.

And it goes to Jalen Waddle. It's not a superlion. That's okay. Oh, we're doing this? Okay. All right, you know what? We're doing this now? We're doing it. Okay, D.K.

Go on. Well, you said I have a superlative and then you didn't list a superlative. But continue. We don't need to get into semantics. The most fourth Jonas brother. How do you want me to say that? Yes, I like that, Craig. That's better.

What were the fandal sportsbook odds on D.K. picking that fight with Craig and not me? The most fourth Jonas brother is so much better. Thank you for doing that. Plus 800 is the answer hyphids. Can you email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if it bothered you that the award, some of the superlatives that were awards. Do you even know the difference between a superlative and an award?

Anyway, Kai, start the clock. No, Kai, play Tom Tom. We're already done. The most bonus Jonas. I don't know how you want to do it, D.K. The most fourth Jonas. I really wish Kai had just played the Tom Tom. We never did the award.

But look, you know, there's Joe, there's Nick, there's Kevin. There's Tyreek. There's Most. There's A.C.A. Chann. And then there's Jalen Wattle, aka Frankie Jonas. Who? Right. you know, he's just like hanging out having a good time.

Like, you know that meme of Clay Thompson? And he's sitting there and it's, you know, he's like one for eight, three points in the Warriors won. And he's just like sitting there happy on the bench. And it's like when the one guy in the class project like doesn't do anything. That is kind of Jalen Waddle this year. I mean, it's bizarre. Tyree killed number one in fantasy.

Most cert number two at the position. A-chan, number one in points per game at running back. Two, a QB6. Waddle, wide receiver 36. Last year at this time, Waddle was the wide receiver seven. It was really a 1A1B last year with the two of them.

And I think he's not the biggest bust in fantasy because he's been okay. He's putting up like 10 points a game. But he might be the most frustrating just in terms of the offense he's on and watching every week praying that this is the week that he takes off. Watching Tyree kill pull his hamstring like two weeks ago and then miraculously come back 10 minutes later.

Most frustrating player in the league, I think, right now. He's ironically the most highly drafted player or a skill player on their team. He was the sixth overall pick a couple years ago. And like A. Chan was the third rounder. Mostard, I think it was an undrafted free agent. I mean, is there anything more frustrating than the fact that when they scored 70 points, that was the game he didn't play?

Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. Come on. Even then, it's like to score 70 points in the doll. It's the most, again, it's the Dolphins of the Passett to the Italians offense from kicking and screaming. It was Mostert, A. Chan and Tyree Kill. Like, even Durham Smite at the titan just didn't like do.

anything. It's just those terms. Might. Great song. On that note, I think we should have the conversation of the biggest bust of the season. Is that an award or superlative, D.K.? Biggest? It implies it's a superlative. Yes. Thank you. Okay. All right. Well, that's good.

I think it has to be Joe Burrow. Look, I know he's hurt, but injury or not, if somebody told you that Burrow sued it up week one and hasn't missed a game, regardless of the injury, to be honest, Like, we all knew he was hurt in the preseason. He sat out pretty much all of August. And yet people still drafted him top five, top seven, top eight.

Because they're like, look, it's not like Burroughs, Lamar Jackson. Like, he's not, like, known for his scrambling. Like, as long as he can stand in the pocket and throw the ball, you feel like you're going to be all right. And it's been a disaster. Quarterback 27 on the season. He's behind Pickett, Derek Carr, and Bryce Young. Ah! And points for game?

Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Say that again? Kenny Pickett, Derek Carr, and Bryce Young have outscored Joe Burrow. it on a per game basis this year. Dude, when I watched Derek Carr, I genuinely wonder how many college quarterbacks would step into the state's offense would be better.

Jason Hill would be probably better. Yeah, Derek Carr's the third best quarterback on his own team, so that's really disheartening. For some context, by the way, last year he was the QB4. He averaged 22 points per game. This year he's averaging 11. He's half as good as he was last year.

I don't, despite that, I don't think Burroughs the biggest bust this year. D.K., who do you think is the biggest bust? Well, I'm going to throw this out there because we were high on this place. and, you know, obviously it's been disappointing for us because we were excited to see him play. And after week one, we were like, hell yeah. Victory lap time, baby.

We were right. Calvin Ridley came back after two years and he's been amazing. And then he hasn't done basically anything since. I was looking at just like where he is in the rankings and how much he's averaged per game. There's basically no, this is for context. There's basically no appreciable of a difference right now between Calvin Ridley, who's averaging nine points per game in half BPR. And Rashid Shahid, the third receiver on the Saints.

who is averaging 8.85 fantasy points per game. And Ridley was the second or third round pick. Rashid Dishid was undrafted essentially. And he performs like Shahid where it's not like Ridley's averaging nine or ten a game and every game he has nine or ten. He either has like 18 or three.

100%. If the, but if the width of the field was like, if the width of the fields was four inches longer on each side, I feel like Calvin really have twice as many points. Well, does this so like, obviously we're calling him the biggest bus,

But do we, have we given up hope or do we think it's actually going to get better? Are we like double, are we going to double down on Calvertidly right now or say cut bait and trade him or something? I feel like he's rusty. I still think he looks good. Yeah. And I think the Jags in general are just like a really weird team.

Trevor Lawrence is playing well. They just like don't, there's not, there hasn't been a lot of passing touchdowns in Jacksonville. There's been like a ton of defensive PI's. There's been like a lot of drop passes in the end zone. Lawrence is playing well. Evan Ingram has zero touchdowns. It's just a very weird year right now for Jacksonville,

despite the fact that they're playing well. But I think because they're playing well, Lawrence is like a top five quarterback on the year and PFF rating. Like I think the Jags are going to be a lot better offensively, and I don't think Ridley looks that bad. So I kind of think everybody in the Jags is underperforming is a by-low. I agree with that. So my pick, I'm going to give this this whole thing.

Let me give this this own award. I think it's biggest bus, but it's bigger than that. Superlative. Is it superlative? Sorry. Okay. I don't, not only do it not really know the difference. I don't totally get, you know what, let's not do this.

Do you want me to define a superlative for you? Yeah. Actually, I don't have it in front of me. Hold on. You have to go, no, in your mind. I want you define it in your mind. It's a modifying word that indicates it's the most of something. So the biggest, the best, the worst, the least, etc., etc., etc.

And I had a long meandering text conversation with Haifitz this morning about making sure that they were all superlative. No one seems to understand what they are. Is MVP an award or a superlative? Most valuable player is a superlative. Most. Okay. Yeah. So the MVP, when they hand out the MVP at the end of the year, it's not an award they're giving Patrick Mahomes.

He doesn't have any awards. He has superlions. Oh, you're trying to trick me. No, it's a question. It's not a trick. It's something that we did. Okay. Here's what you have written down, Haif.

It's the lost generation. That's neither an award or a superlative. I don't even know what that means. The most lost generation. The lost. But like, you decided to take neither a award nor a superlative for this one. So continue making fun of me. Craig, that was a good.

You almost got me there with that trick, though. No, but you didn't get, like, that's a question. Like, I don't understand. It's a very real question. Whatever. That's the key. If you would have made all your awards superlatives, I would have been fine with it. So if I said this was the most pointless argument we'd ever had, that's a superlative.

But if I said this is the dumbest argument we ever had, is that an award? Also a superlative. Typically, if it says EST at the end of the word, dumbest. Okay, I'm going to keep going. This is wild. Craig with a heavy sigh. Yeah. Anyway.

Biggest bust the word. I would like to back to fantasy football, which is somehow more important than what we're talking about. The third round, that's the biggest bus. And that's why I just, the entire third round. If you took Travis E.TN for the Jaggers in the third round, congratulations. He was the only good pick. I want to go through everyone on their roster. If you did a snake draft, you probably have a third rounder.

Unless you took Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen or Mahomes, even Mahomes like you're just happy now. But if you took a skill player in the third round, you're the receivers and running backs, Jalen Waddle for the Dolphins, Devante Smith for the Eagles, Chris Olavay for the Saints, Najee Harris for the Steelers, T. Higgins for the Bengals, Ramandre Stevenson for the Patriots, D.K. Metcalfe for the Seahks, Joe Mixon for the Ben, angles, Jamir Gibbs for the Lions, Calvin Relief for the Jaguars. That is crazy. Every single one of those players has at some point we've had to ask themselves or ask

ourselves, like, is this one of the worst picks of the entire season? That's the entire round. That, like, it's to the point where is it, is there something going on where there's a trend where we just happened like the consensus ranking of 20 to 32, all those players are terribly? Or is it just random? Or is it so, that's, it's so odd. all of those players are horrific this season.

Yeah, what's the lesson here? How are we supposed to learn from this? I think the running backs, the running backs, Naji Harris, it's weird because I almost want to tick off the basic reasons and then you guys tell me this trend. Najee Harris, he's kind of bad and the offense is bad. Remandre, same thing, but also is he healthy? And then Jemir Gibbs, it's like not playing nearly as much as we thought. And then the receivers, I guess you could say that they're receiver twos.

Jalen Waddle and Devonte Smith is the same thing where the receiver ahead of them, we thought was 1A, 1B, and in reality, A.G. Brown, and Tyreek ill are like maybe like some of the best receivers we've ever seen. Right. And then Chris O'Lavi, the Saints offense sucks and Derek Carr sucks. T. Higgins, the Bengals. I don't know, but it's weird that 12 guys in a row are all terrible.

Well, I think you said it right there. Like in that explanation, every single player pretty much has a different reason why it's not working out for them this year. It's just it's all random. This is all random. We're on a rock. That's the answer. Floating through space.

Some guys are hurt. Oh, Joe Mixon's offense isn't good because of Joe Burrow. Jimir Gibbs randomly isn't playing. Chris Olavie has a hurt quarterback. Jalen Waddle, Tyree Kill overshadowed him. Like, everybody has a different reason, which just goes to show you. Autodraft. Tom Tom's not working.

Didn't mean to interrupt. That's okay. Oh, Kai, can you sing it then? Kai, you just sing it. Thank you. Yeah, of course. So much. That was.

By the way, that's what people on Fandle here. It's not, there's no music. It's Kai singing. I'm not going for. We just like, Kai's singing Tom Tom Tom on Fandle. That's true. That's royalty free right there. Guy, write that down.

We're doing that next week. Actually, it might not. Even if Kai still, if Kai sings Tom Tom, can they sue us? I don't know. Just got to add like a beat or two here. I asked you that a while ago,

like, how good does a cover have to be? Like, if you don't say it, but if I'm just doing it, like, I'm tone deaf. Can you imagine us arguing in court? Like, if I tone deaf hum fantasy by Mariah Carey and everyone's like, that's awful. But then Mariah Carey sued us.

We got to ask our fair use lawyers here at Spotify. I'm sure they would know. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. A lot of lawyers list to show. If you have an answer to how bad I'd have to hum fantasy by Mariah Carey that it would actually count. Or how what's the lowest it could be? You guys don't know what I'm saying. Anyway, next up.

The worst it could be like the superlative, like the superlative of how terrible it could be. Yeah. This is our life, by the way. Here's a image into our life or like a window into our life. It's always two of us and the other one's exhausted. That's how it goes. Speaking of which. The sleepiest sleeper superlative,

a.K. the sleeper who never work up, which is not as superlative. Jahan Dotson, receiver for Washington. Yeah, man. The gushing we did over Jahan Dotson. I remember we were in D.C. for the live show, and we were watching a preseason game. And I remember D.K., we were watching him, and he, like, made some great catch. And we were like, God, Dodson just has it.

You know how some guys, they just pass the eye test? They just have it. And, like, not only did he pass the eye test and just have it, all the underlying nerd data going into the season was, Oh, he's actually like right in line with Terry McLaurin. You know, if you look at last year, his red zone, you know, efficiency, you know, he's really a talented player and he's all this stuff comes into this year. He's been a disaster. He's the wide receiver 73 through seven weeks.

He has 180 yards on the season, one touchdown. Curtis Samuel's out playing him by a mile. And it's just a massive whiff. You know, two of his best three games of the season came in preseason. Which doesn't count. And I still think he's good. Here's the thing. Me too.

I just don't think... I think it's because whenever he's open, Sam Hal just happens to get sacked for one of his six times. I think that's what it is. I was doing a little research into sacks, and I'm going to steal this from Rich Rewar from Sharp Football, and he did the research on this, basically over the last five years.

If any given team avoids a sack on a drive, they're more than twice as likely to score points on a drive. If they avoid a sack, they're more than three times as likely to score touchdown. So for context, Sam Howell, he is on track to like have by far the most sacks of any quarterback in all, like, forever, since they started tracking sacks. And so that gives you, that's like really all you need to know about this offense is he's on track to like get sacked almost a hundred times.

The previous record was like 76. It's absurd. He's going to smash this record. And so it's ruining John Dotson. Yes. So it's not good. He's still good. Yeah.

I'm not. also I would not drop him. It's like the Matt Damon line and the depart. It's like I'm Irish. I'll hold on to this forever. I'm going to hold on to Johan Dots in the entire season. Kai, sing Tom Tom.

Ben, Tom. Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, up. How long can we do that to like it's old?

I love the idea of Kai's girlfriend in the other room being like, what is, what is his career? His job? What is he doing? He's singing into a microphone. Do they pay you for this? You get money for this?

Or worse, like she doesn't know he's on mic, so she thinks he's just doing that to itself. Anyway, all right. Speaking of home life, next up here. Sorry, DK. I don't know if this is a prudite or not. I got the family man of the year. Wide receiver edition.

Going to Adam Thiel and receiver for the Panthers. Did you guys see this requires a little setup? Did you guys see the Raven Steelers game a couple weeks ago? Do you see it? Joey Porter, Jr., the rookie cornerback for the Steelers. He picked off the game-winning pick over Odell Beckham, and then after the game, it turns out he turned to Odell Beckham, and he intercepts the game-winning pass,

and he turns to Adele says, yeah, go home and be a family man. And that was like a meme. That's what you guys say to me when we sign off every pod. Dick is like, it's not an award. It's a subparietive. I'm like, go home and be a family man, DK. Go home to your child. It's like, I, which I, so now it's like, go home and be a family man.

I will, I will say, Adam feeling. That cuts deep. Yeah. I know. Family man. You don't want to be out here. I thought, exactly. I thought Adam Phelan was a family man.

I thought he was dust. Adam Filman's the wide receiver, like, the sixth best wide receiver in points per game. And the people ahead of him were almost all drafted in the first 15 picks. It's like Tyree Kill and then Keenan Allen. Stefan Diggs, Justin Jefferson, E.J. Brown. Those are the people ahead of Adam Thiel and points per game. This is wild.

This really did come out of nowhere. Haifitz, I remember you mentioning many times during the preseason that he has already sort of lined up media jobs once he retires. And anytime you see that, it's like, whoa, he's got one foot out the door here. He's already planning for the future. And I think he pulled out of the media deals because he's like, hold up, guys. I'm still good at football. He's not doing it anymore.

And I just, he's getting 10 targets again. That's literally what like Travis Kelsey and Devante Adams get. And to tell you the truth, like it's a huge whiff. I, this is my Josh Jacobs of the year, honestly.

It's my, like, I just was like, you know what? You don't want to bank on the old Wiley vet who's essentially being paid to be a glorified receivers coach.

He was never that fast. Yeah, it was like to the rookie quarterback. Like there's so many other options that Bryce Young can throw to and Thielen's kind of, nope, never mind.

It's getting 27% of the targets. I know. This is a really tough example. You shouldn't beat yourself up about this high. He's like 32 years old and was like not very good last year. I don't think anybody predicted he was going to be good. He's old. He's so old.

And also especially watching like Jordan Addison on the Vikings and Justin Jefferson, I was just like, you think that the Vikings not being able to get feeling anything last year. I was like, how's Price Young going to like win out? And here we are. Has this made you rethink receivers in their 30s who are slow? Maybe that's the secret sauce is that if you're, If you're already slow, it doesn't really matter if you're aging because, like, you had to be savvy when you were young and now you're just, like, a wise savvy receiver.

But if your thing is speed and athleticism and you age, that's, you lose that. But, like, Keenan Allen is aging gracefully. That sounded funny, but honestly, I actually, yes. And one, the short answer is Travis Kelsey, I think, could theoretically play at some level forever, like, till he's 45. Because he just is like, his whole thing is like, I just know what coverage read immediately. But you know what it reminds me of Craig? Fat pitchers.

which sounds like a joke, but like David Wells and C.C. Sabathia could play. It's all about location. Location, location. Because like the other pitchers when they became 40 and gained weight lost their motion,

but the guys who were fat consistently the whole time could pitch to like they were 43. Bartolo Cologne. Exactly. They were fat their whole career. Nothing got to change. Kai. What are we doing here?

Sing. I didn't realize we were still doing this. Fennett. I feel bad. Fat, Fat, Fett. She's getting continuously, like, more tone deaf each time.

You took it up a few octaves there. You got better, though. I don't know how to keep making this, like, interesting, but I'll try. Modulation right there. All right. Next up, we got D.K., who wrote all of his superlatives. That was the assignment. I was like, let's do the red herring.

He's like, no, it's the reddest herring because that's more clearer. And I was like, okay, thanks, D. The redest herrings, tank Biggsby. Most red herring. Yeah. Jaguar's running back Tank Bigsby, and Searck's running back. Zach Charbonnet, aka the guys who were supposed to take away work from Ken Walker in Seattle and Travis Etienne and Jacksonville. There was an awful lot of consternation about these two players.

Zach Charbonnet being a second round pick, Tank Baysby being a third round pick. And a lot of people... In the real... And I kind of fell for this a little bit when it came to Travis ETI. And I was starting to worry a little bit about Tank Bigsby based on the fact that he would come in in the preseason and like snipe ETN in the red zone and come in and be like their goal line guy. They were using him in the passing game.

and I was like, man, ETN is just going to get the least valuable touches in this offense and then take Bigsby's going to come in and basically just, you know, take all the most valuable touches in this, in this offense. And so I think I moved ETN down a little bit that, a little bit because of that.

And I was worried, but turns out ETS, both ETS and Walker are just getting all the touches in this offense. Like basically, Charbon A and Bigsby are absolutely irrelevant this year. And so that, I think, has been a big storyline.

Don't always fear the incoming rookie. It's kind of like the backup quarterback thing where everyone's like, oh, I want to know this backup quarterback could do. He's probably better than the starter. It's like, no, the superstar receivers, or maybe not superstars, maybe strong, but these star running backs are going to continue

just to be star running backs. I was just, I was wrong about Charbonnet, and you guys were like way higher and Ken Walker than me, and you guys were totally right. But then the irony is, DK hated ETN and was like,

is this what you sound like, or I sound like when I defend Ken Walker? Yeah, we were like, wait a minute. This is exactly the same argument I'm using, you guys are using again,

against Kenneth Walker was like what people were using with ETN and I kind of bought into that. So I don't know, one for two. I'll take it. I was very high on Walker before the year. So I'm just going to focus on that. Were ETN and Kenneth Walker stars? Dude, dude. To me, so Walker was for sure.

Oh, the timer. Oh, that timer's up. This might, this honestly just might be like a little bit of a bias based on what team you watch the most because I'm a Seahawks fan. I watched the Seahawks every week. You know, I got to watch Kenneth Walker. And by the way, I watched him as a draft analyst. And Kenneth Walker was like one of the best players in college football. He's a star in fantasy football bubble, but I...

It's a second round pick. I don't know. He's a very recognizable name. Superstar is way too strong. I shouldn't have said that. But star, I think he's a star. But is it like a chicken or the egg thing where it's like, we started to question Travis E.T.N.

And Kenneth Walker because they drafted Tank Biggsby and Zach Charbonnet? Or is it we started to question Kenneth Walker. and Travis E.N because they weren't that good. And then they drafted Tank Bigsby and Zach Charbonnet. Which one is it? For Walker, for me, I always was like, Kenneth Walker is way too good to get snaps taken away by Zach Sharbonne. With ETN, I think it's closer to what you were alluding to here,

whereas, like, he didn't play all that well last year. He just got a lot of volume. He hasn't been very good in a passing game. And there was all these sort of caveats to what he was as a player. And then you add in the fact they drafted this guy. and everyone's like, oh, God, maybe this team doesn't like this guy. You know what I mean? And so for me, there's definitely differences between the two

because I was always like very strongly, Kenneth Walker is awesome and go watch the games versus like Charbonnet, I think it's more just like a depth pick. And we're seeing that play out. I didn't have any issues with Ken Walker until the Seahawks drafted it running back in the second round. And I was like, well, the Seahawks seem to think that they could use help in the backfield.

I think that was interesting. So the Seahawks was weird too because Ken Walker, and Charbaday and still actually Kenny McIntosh, all three of the running backs got her at various points in the preseason. So that made it weird. I will say this about the Jaguars and ETN and Tank Bigsby. I'm kind of convinced it's like what D.K.

says correctly about DeAndre Swift's entire career hinging on dropping the game when he touchdown in his first career game. They got the ick on that one play. Did his entire life take a different course? Tank Bigsby fumbled in his first game. And like hasn't played as many snaps basically since then. And I'm kind of like, you'd think in a week one, the rookie, like, they're going to play less. And Tank Biggs me fumbled in the first game and the Jaguar was like, we're good.

So I'm kind of like, I don't know, sometimes you can, I'm not saying we're right, but I'm saying sometimes you can be right about usage. And then the coaches see something and he gets his own heck. And he's like, no, we're not going to do that. Clyde Edwards-Layer got stuff in his first game as a pro at the goal line, like three or four times in a row. And he was never the same in his whole career. And any reason, you know what? I'm not going to play that guy there anymore. We're good.

I go get Pacheco who runs like a maniac, you know. Anyway. All right. I think we've disrespected Kai enough. Yeah, sorry. I forgot about it. Kai, you had to do it again. You got to do it more forcefully next time.

This is the post type sleeper award. The post type sleeper. The sleeperiest, the sleeperiest envy most valuable, whatever it's. The most post type sleeper. The postest, most postist. Yeah. Keenan Allen received for the charges. Who deserves his flowers?

D.K., please. Yeah, we just got a shout out Keenan Allen, who I think. it was in the Adam Thielen echelon of like people we think are just basically dusty at this point in time like not really running very many deep routes. Saw him as more of like a guy who was on the steep decline

and then he came out he was a third or fourth round pick in drafts and basically like wide receiver 19 per ADP. He is the wide receiver six through seven weeks. He's averaging almost 11 targets a game. He has a 30% target rate. He is by far the alpha in this offense. And he's been awesome. He's been one of the

most valuable players in fantasy period. And so, yeah, just want to shout out Keenan Allen. What are you guys got to say about him? I think, you know, once again, we're rewriting 30. Like, this is the perfect, this guy was, there was a lot of writing this year about his yards per route run and all these things that were down last year. And this is a sign that he's over the hump. And in reality, if you look at his last 16 games, he's like one of the best receivers ever in terms of his output since he came back from his injury last year. And it's a bummer that he is the age he is because him and Herbert, I think, could have probably set records the two of them if they were around the same age.

So, first of all, to your point, Craig, about how good Keenan Allen's been playing. So since he came back from that hamstring injury, and again, we talked a lot about how long he was out. But the only player has more fantasy points, at least per game, since Keen Allen turned to Tyree Kill. He's literally number two to Tyree Kill. He's above Diggs and Jefferson. And that's per game. Wow. The other part, I think you're right.

And my serious answer is that we need a metric system for age because it's threshold bias, where you hit third. and we're like, we're done with you. Again, we're talking about how, like, men in England are obsessed to being six feet tall because they don't, it's not like the same. We need something like that for age. We need to count age in a different way that it doesn't get a nice round number.

Bamp, bam. Oh, man, sorry. I'm just so sorry to all of your listeners for this. Let's be miserable for them. Don't apologize for that. Those beautiful dulcet tones. They're our listeners, Kai. It's true.

He left it. He came in like a couple times. ago it was like falsetto and now he's just going back to this like normal tones. Yeah, it didn't stay for me. Sometimes he'll go, da-na, and then now he's going like, done it. He's switching it up. I kind of like want to get sued by someone for like, for Kai. Just like, I want this to be played in a courtroom and they'll judge to decide whether this was good enough. But I don't know, maybe we call it the Leo de Caprio rule or something where it's like Leo has a thing like 25 year olds and then he's out. Fantasy, we're like 30 year olds and then we're out.

We got to rewrite that. It's okay to be 30 now. As I approached 30 years old. I'm like, I think being 30 is okay. 30's going to be fun. I'm not washed. Yeah. Just stretch. You'll be all right.

I think the best fantasy advice we'll ever give is realizing that you should just draft in a way that justifies your age. Like when we were in our mid-20s, we're like, we love young guys. And now we're getting 30. We love young guys. Biggest sliding door, aka butterfly effect, aka moment that changed the entire season. Aaron Rogers getting hurt on the first drive of his jet's career. I just was crazy.

I feel like this. is like one of the most wild moments of the NFL over the last five years. The fact, it was like his first possession as a jet. He tore his Achilles Senate. And it really robbed us of what could have been an awesome Garrett Wilson season. I think he would probably have been a top five receiver at this point in the season. If Aaron Rogers was playing instead, he's the wide receiver at 34. He's barely playable at this point.

He's like a flex option. I think Bruce Hall, obviously Bruce Hall is on the great trajectory already. And he's looking like he's going to be like a big time second half. half player, but just with more red zone opportunities, more goal line looks like he could have been a league winning type player. And then just from a real football perspective, like the Jets, their defense is so legit. They could have been a legit Super Bowl contender. And so Aaron Rogers, and then of course we dropped down to literally the guy who's been

the worst starting quarterback in the NFL over the last like three years in Zach Wilson. It's just the like that size of that drop down is really what just hurts the most, I think. And so that situation is a huge sliding door moment in this season. And with that said, I think he's coming back. I think Roger's going to play in the playoffs, if the Jets make the playoffs. I really do believe that. Him out there with shoes on and shorts,

throwing the football, I know he was barely moving, but I'm like, dude, you are already close enough to being better than Zach Wilson. Sit back in the pocket, yeah. The Ben Rothersberger, 2021, Park and Bark. Like, we can figure something out. Just slants to Garrett Wilson over and over.

How much could you, like, let's say he couldn't really move? Like he's just doing the Joe Borough Park and Park. How much could he throw? Like how much power could he put on a throw? Not even like a deep ball, like an out. Oh, he's all arm anyway, I feel like he'd be fine. Doesn't even use his legs. He's just got that whip like arm.

I'm just trying to picture like what's a guy that can't move? What's an offense? I think Rothsberger is the best example. I'm thinking like my career, Matt Ryan. Want, wah, wah, wah. Oh, voila. Listen, man, I don't have many more. All right.

Can we go back to the Tom Tom song in post? Like is this, what is this? All right, fine. Just added in post. It's okay, Tom. Yeah, Kai, just add it in post. It was a good run. That's...

Thank you, Kai. One of the dumbest things we've ever done. The Stephen Glansberg Memorial superlative. For the best player, no one is talking about. Jacoby Myers for the Raiders. Yeah. This dude is just quietly the 13th best wide receiver in fantasy football right now. The 13th on the Raiders as the number two.

too, just sitting there behind Devante Adams, Josh Jacobs, and he's been awesome. And like we talked about with Johan Dotson, super passes the eye test. Like, it looks better than I've ever seen him. He's been on New England for four years. He was undrafted at an NC state and was just like a possession guy. He was like a serviceable number three guy on the team who could like move the chains. And he's shot out of a cannon this year and looks like a completely different player in Vegas. He's on pace for over 1,000 yards, 13 touchdowns this year, almost 100 catches. He looks awesome. He's barely behind Devante Adams right now. I was going to say, but he's also been better than Devante, though.

I think if you've had him just on the week to week, like, because of the cost that to acquire him and the expectations. But also, if it's Devonte, it's been infuriating because it was kind of like this with Dalvin Cook and Alex Madison where they both have the dreads that are just long enough to cover the name on the back. But the Devante's where's number 17 and Jacoby Myers wears number 16. So like in that first moment when they catch you're like, Devante, they're like, oh my God, it's not 17. It's 16. and that's Myers. You're like, no. It's devastating.

It's also funny because he became known when he was with the Patriots for like literally never catching any touchdowns. Like that was like his Achilles heel or whatever. And now he has five touchdowns this year in seven games. Or no, six games. How many games is even? He hasn't even played full season yet.

He missed the game because he was hurt. He played six games. He has five touchdowns and six games. Yeah, he's won away from time his career high halfway through the season. Love that. Yeah, there's a couple guys like this on this. It's like the Nico Collins. you're like, you drafted him as just like a filler, like a flex play or like a like a,

like a buy week guy. And then they just suddenly took off. You know, it's like, I don't know if Jordan Addison counts next. He's a rookie. So you don't, because you don't really know. But like Nico Collins, Chikobi Myers, guys who have been in league for three, four years who, I guess found their connection and found their right scheme because they look great. You said this really this year, Craig.

And also I was talking to Austin Gale and he had the same point of like the actual takeaway from this fantasy year is if there weren't roster sizes, what you do is actually like, I'm going to trade away a lot of my early picks and I just want like 20 in the late rounds because it's oh like if you had like considering that Rahim Mosch was like the number one number two running back right now and then like Zach Moss is on Tom Tom sound here keep that that's so funny oh my God that's oh keep that definitely keep that My gosh.

Can we bleep that instead of exposing people to it? Also, I noticed that Kai forgot to set the timer the last time, so he went in and was like manually changing it to like 130, like frantically while we're talking. Hey, don't expose my ways. There's a lot going on. Come on to you, Kai. I was coming off of singing the TomTom song for like six straight players. You don't have to sing anymore.

You just started to mail it in. Went and got a snack. All right. Next superlative here. It's not a superlative order word and DK is going to be mad. It's don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. Too too,

that's not a superlative. What are you? I don't care. The name is good enough. It's good enough. Most bittersweet. No, that's not as funny.

That's not as funny as don't cry because it's oversmall because it happened. Why when Craig says it's not as funny, you're just like, okay. And when I say, I don't know, that's not as funny. You argue with me on the phone and be like, no, it's not a superlative. I don't know. We don't need to talk about that right now. Craig, continue.

Okay. We're giving this to Tutu Atwell, sweet Tutu Atwell, who. Sweet, too, too. Bittersweet. Was on his way to, you know, irrelevance, much like the second and third round mini wide receivers that get drafted and flame out, your Tavon Austin, your Rondale Morris, your Calvin Austens.

Dwayne Eskridge. And then, Duane Eskridge before him. Yeah. There's a million of them of these like five eight guys who get drafted in like round three. And it's like, he's going to provide some speed to the offense. Three years later, you have no idea if he's even in the NFL.

But Cup gets hurt, and this dude is a top 12 wide receiver in three weeks. And I got to, like, so what do we do now? Is he good? Is 2-2 out well good? I think so. Do you decide he's good now? It's just wild what Cup, like what Cup did for the Rams. Like, the best thing that ever happened to the Rams is that Cooper Cup got hurt for four games

because there's a world in which, if he doesn't, the Rams are like, we need to draft another early-round-ridered receiver next year to, like, our receiving group. And now you have a fifth-round Pukunakua who's fantastic. And like a Tutu-I-Wel, who's perfectly serviceable in the number three role. Like if Cup never gets hurt, this offense is arguably way worse. I think the difference in the reason he'll never be on the field that much is that Pookatuckoo is 40 pounds every than Atwell.

And the Pukukukukuk can block. He's physical. Yeah. And Tutu Atwell will never be able to block much, which I think is hurtful in McVeigh's system. But he's clearly like a great receiver in passing situation. Yeah, I mean, he's the guy that they move around behind the line of scrimmage a lot.

Oh, he got the music. Ooh, it's back. I will say, Tutu Outwell, going back to his college career, he was pretty productive. Like, he was one of the more productive players. They all were, though. I'm so sick of the college,

but everyone's good in college. That's why they get drafted. That's so true. It's like the athletic tight end thing. It's like, tell me when they were bad in college. That's so much simpler. Well, Roja is actually pretty good in college. I'm like, of course he was.

Here's a thing, though. In the NFL. Let me, oh, bad in college. Great. Thank you for letting me know. They also, I feel like that's a mistake that a lot of teams do make

is like he wasn't that good in college. Why did you think he was going to be that good in the NFL? Because they're like projecting traits, you know? Regardless, what I was going to say, Craig, before you rudely interrupted me,

he was 155 pounds of the combine. What on earth? How is this going to work ever in the NFL? But it's a new world, new NFL. He doesn't have to play on the line of scrimmage. He can run around back behind line of scrimmage and just do his thing.

Be fast, you know? Skinny is back. Skinny is back. 155 pounds. Next up we have the worst recommendation that actually worked, which is I'm giving to Sam Laporte a tight end for the lions because we were like, look,

have there basically been like three relevant tight ends that are rookies in the history of fantasy football in the last like 40 years? Three out of like 200 tight ends in the 21st century have even been worth playing and starting. Yes, three out of 200. But, well, it's like the arrest development. It's like everyone just deludes themselves and I think it can work. But it could work for us.

And we plugged Sam Leporta. And you know what? Look at Sam Leporta. Top three tight end of the season. I'm pretty sure that's basically just never happened. That a tight end is first seven games top three tight end in fantasy in the season. So there you go. It didn't work for us.

The funny thing about this too, I think, is we kind of came into it a little bit blind because he didn't play in the preseason at all, I don't think. He was either injured or they just were not like putting him out there because they were already feeling good about it. I can't remember the context. But we barely even saw him play. And we were basically just like, look, everyone says he's going to be the starter. He's going to be running routes. This is the tight end position. This is what we're dealing with.

Like take this guy late and hopefully it'll work out. If not, you can drop him. And almost immediately he was an impact player for them. He's been one of the most consistent tight ends. And by the way, he looks really good. He's another guy that passes the eye test big time for me. Like just bowling guys over, good hands, soft hands. Like he makes tough catches in traffic and he holds on to the football.

He's tough. I don't know. I just really like this guy. Again, he had three touchdowns in like a month, and it took Kyle Pitts like two years to do that. And look, I mean, there's been a lot of good rookies. Like Musgrave has been solid. Dalton Kincaid has been solid.

Michael Mayer looks like he's coming on. Do you think next year will be the first year in, God, it seems like 10 years. Like the titan top 10 will not be a disaster? Like, well, next year be the first year where there's like actually 10 good tight ends you can draft. Craig, I agree. I actually meant to talk about this more than the off season,

but I 100% think that's going to be a storyline next year where it's like, I mean, we can take them off right now. As long as Kelsey doesn't drop off. Like, I don't want to say things because of health. But the Kelsey, we got Mark Andrews. And then, like, if you got LaPorta, Mayor and Kincaid, all being good. Like, that's fine.

Is this one on Fandel TV? This is Jazzy. This is like sexy. This is like sexy. Guy with the Fannie TV. This is like you're at a hotel bar. I've forgotten what that sounded like. That was a good guy.

Well done. Anyway, yeah, I agree. I agree, Craig. I think tight end next year is hopefully not a wasteland. Next up, last superlative here. The player, your friends, made fun of you for picking that actually worked out. DJ Moore for the Bears. Yeah, if we want a superlative this, the most embarrassing pick that worked out, DJ Moore.

This is a big miss for me, to be honest. I didn't want to touch this guy with a 10-foot pole. Like, I was quarantining against DJ Moore. I wouldn't draft him with a mask on. and now he's like the spokesperson for the worst fucking attorneys club he's the wide receiver five on the season and he's kind of honestly the next Mike Evans where I'm like it doesn't matter what's going on DJ Moore

is going to get you 1,000 yards and he's probably one of the more underrated receivers in the league he's not Mike Evans stylistically but just in terms of like underrated athlete is always going to produce in whatever situation he is also DJ Moore I was looking at his stats his yards after the catch is so impressive this year. You know, he has more yards after the catch per reception than Tyree kill this year. Like, he is killing it.

He's incredible. Yeah, he's incredible with that. Remember, this is, it just jogs my memory. There was one play in the preseason where Justin Fields made like a bad pass to him. Screen pass. And he, like, ran it like 70 yards or something for a touchdown. Everyone was like, hell yeah. And we're like, oh, what, that's just going to happen every week.

And it turns out it does. Kind of did happen. Yeah. So jokes on us. Yeah, because I was like, how is D.G. Moore going to be good if Justin Fields isn't good. Well, here's Tyson, Bage and fresh off losing to the school of minds.

Yeah, looking at DJ Moore. I don't know. Like, still just doesn't register that he's doing this well because I feel like the Bears' offense has been a complete disaster all year. But of course, obviously, Fields had two very good games. And then now Bajun, I think, is at least a ball distributor. So he's going to be fine. But it still doesn't really make sense to me that he's the wide receiver five.

Now, they're like accidentally succeeding and it's kind of annoying. Look, having said that, like maybe he's, maybe he's a cell high, to be honest. Like, he's had a lot of long, like 40 plus yard touchdowns this year. That's a really good take. Yeah. Sell and Digi Moore. Take the chips off the table. Ah.

Yeah. What a pallet cleansing. I never know what's coming. This has been a really electric power out. I don't know. Oh, my God. What's coming every two minutes? Invigorating.

All right. Let's do some emails. Emails. Sure. I was talking about the school of mine's just down. I'm talking about Tyson Bayesian and the Bears. By the way, did you guys hear that Joe House is nicknamed Tyson Bajent, T-Bag? Stop it.

Yeah, that's good. Just perfect. I love that. Tea bag? Tea bag. That's incredible. All right, well, this is from Justin. That's my simple, stupid man brain.

I'm like, tea bag. All right, well, Tyson Bajent, again, he didn't even go to the Colorado School of Minds. He lost to them. But it's just so funny. Somebody, as someone who went to the Colorado School of Mines, I cannot tell you how often I got asked. Is this an old prospector?

Yeah. Old miner? Who's out there? I cannot tell you how often I got asked if I was going to the school of mimes with an M like people. So I, he said this is a universal experience for anyone who comes from that school. So I'm not surprised you got so many. We got dozens of people,

literally dozens of us asking, were you guys talking about mimes the whole time? Can you imagine going to college and being like, so you studied miming? Can you, are mine schools? Are there mime schools? Certainly. I know there's probably not mime colleges, but there are mime schools, right? I'm certain.

Are, are mine still a thing? Why were they ever? That's a good question. Is it because they were silent movies? You know? Is it just like, they're just street performers and it was funny? But like, I can't believe there's a school create. Yeah, I guess it's a, it's an off sheet.

A clown off sheet? Why are clowns a thing? Why are mimes so universally reviled? Is what I want to know. Are they? I don't think they're reviled. Do people hate mimes? I think clowns are more reviled than mimes.

Yeah, 100%. I hate that clown. Who hates mimes? Okay, I thought that I feel like that's like a very obvious thing that everyone, you're doing the thing again where you're like, are roads made out of cement? People don't like mimes? That's not the same thing. It's 100%.

Everyone hates mimes. It's just like a common knowledge. No, no. I don't think, is this a thing? I don't think everybody hates mimes. I don't think anybody loves mimes. I think that's what it is. I think they're a little unsettling.

I don't know if people hate them, but I just don't think anyone's like, you know what I love? Walking down the street and seeing a good mime trapped in a phone booth doing the thing. I don't think people are into that. Oh, is that what you're talking about D.K., where people don't like when you do the phone booth thing?

Yes, I guess so. I don't know what else context mimes exist in pop culture other than that specific joke. Other small containers? There's a subreddit. Why do so many people hate mimes? It's a common thing. Pervasive even in popular culture.

All right. Look. TV tropes. I'm not going to argue that. Everyone hates mimes. He's doing the cement thing again. There's cement in Rhodes? What are you talking about?

Okay. People hate mimes? That's crazy talking. Mom, he's doing the cement thing again. Stop doing the cement thing where you try to gaslight me into believing something that is common knowledge isn't true. I think the real gaslighting is that I've gotten you to the point. point where you think that like the, you know what? Never mind. I'm going to let just the gas.

Dude, people call Mike Mickey. That's Michael nickname. That was your question. No, you asked me that. And I was like, wait, I didn't know that. Yes, I know. That's the point. You didn't know that. What if you needs to be a mime right now? That'd be nice. One of you just becomes a mime for the rest of the show. Anyway. I'm going to do the rope thing.

The pulling of the rope. Speaking of Michael, we'll get there at a second. But this is from Connor. Connor. Connhead. Conheads. We were trying to find, like, Josh Kelly is like, you know, don't play him. And then he was good. And then Al Snucker got hurt. And then we will play Josh Kelly.

We're like, we need a word for when you, like, play a free agent. And then they're bad. And then you bench him and they're good. And then Connors, many people emailed it in, but it's true. The Connors says the best way to describe the back and forth of players is the Michael Scott on the office getting a vasectomy and having it reversed over. Snips, snap, snap. Do you have any idea of the emotional toll it takes? Josh Kelly, the vasectomy.

I love that. Oh, my God. Every year we should nominate the vasectomy of the year. Or you can't get it right. You can't predict when they're going to go off. You can't do that, Craig. That's an award. We need a superlative.

The, the. I'm just going to, I'm doing my mind thing over here. I'm not taking the bag. He's trapped in a box. Trapped in a glass box of emotion. The end of the. of Tuesday's episode, Haifitz implored people to request, Gimmy, Gimmy, Gimmy from Ab if they're going to a wedding this weekend.

Not only is my wedding this Saturday, but as I was listening to the episode, my fiance and I were waiting on hold on a call with our DJ to discuss our must-play songs for our wedding. And need is to say, I then said, give me, gimme, gimme, and I expect it will be a hit. However, part of me secretly hopes that the dance floor at my own wedding completely clears out when this song comes on just to make fun of Hyfitz. I'll report back next week. Oh, it won't happen. No chance.

No shot in hell. No shot. Great call. Please report back. I'm so happy. Michael. Take pictures. Michael emails and Michael.

Michael. Mickey. Hey, Mickey. I am a web developer, wanted to weigh in on the pronunciation of URL. Most people pronounce it as Ural, not Earl. Hope this helps. I love the credential, the idea that everyone can't have an opinion on this who uses the Internet. To be honest, I didn't know anyone pronounced it in any way other than just saying URL.

I think it's just him. He does that. Ural. He's a web developer. He's in this world, Hyfitz. True. We can't do that.

He gets this is Ron Burgundy. He'll just read whatever's on the screen. Yerl does this is like the GIF and GIF thing. To this day, spelling it or saying it GIF is completely whacked me. It's like that if the answer was GIF. Right.

You can argue about Ural or Ural or Earl. The answer is URL. Yeah. Yeah. What does GIF stand for? It doesn't stand for anything. I don't think. Oh, no, it does.

Is that right? Graphic interface. graphic interface F format interface got it maybe our web

developer friend can help us with that what is gifts yeah how you pronounce let's ask him how he pronounces

GIF and then we'll decide whether or not he's right about this ural and earl see if Michael

knows what a superlative and then we can see I can figure out this Pam situation here there's

there's two M's no seven this is Pam Pan situation

are you saying pan are you saying pan? I think I can comment on this URL Earl

situation here I think I can help. That was a pretty deep cut. I enjoyed it, though. Was it? I feel like the Pam-Pan thing is a big joke in that movie. Are you saying Pan? Oh, there's two M's.

That's my favorite. Like, like, there's a category on the rewatchables. That's the action is the Jews for like best underlying quote. It's like the best quote that like isn't like the, you know, the headline best quote. It's like the secret one. Oh, there's two M's like kills me every time. That's why I didn't understand. Oh, right.

She's like, no, there's not two ends. He's so, like, confident and he's like, oh, got it. There's two ends. He's like, mm, okay. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode, and for such a lovely, lovely singing experience for all of us.

Thank you, everyone. Email us to ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. You can check out our rankings at fancyf football. Dot the ringer.com. On Thursday morning, we'll have those rankings up for week eight. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Debbie Gibson.

Are you guys familiar with Debbie Gibson? I feel like this is out of your range. I don't know who that is. Hy-Fist you? Only because D.K. mentioned her yesterday when we were guessing the Billboard pop songs, Debbie. I think you should check out Debbie Gibson.

I think that... Give me a song. What's Debbie's big hit? You don't see a lot of big Debbie's anymore. Debbie, well, we're talking about names. Debbie is the name that I totally think could come back. We're talking about how like Gertrude gone. Gertrude's never coming back.

But Debbie could totally go back. Ruth is back. Lost in your eyes. Only in my dreams. I feel like you would recognize these songs, Craig. We should do this. We should do this. We should bring names back too.

Someone actually emailed us about the 1927 Yankees, which is hilarious because there were a football team too. And somebody emails all the names. And I'm like, we should bring Fritz back. Ooh. Fritz. Fritz. It's very German.

Yeah. Is that Frederick? it's Michael I think Frederick is a German name too I know I'm saying is Fritz a nickname for Frederick Oh Perhaps That's my yeah

That's my cue Let's get that web developer on it What is he'll tell us Connor Conn Anyway How did Debbie Gibson pop at your head from yesterday Because I was thinking about

Whitney Houston again Oh And then I was just thinking of other Like big 80s pop stars Will you sing the song like Kai that you're thinking of? Was Debbie Gibson like wedding? Like was that like wedding songs back in like the early 2009s? Are people playing Debbie Gibson?

That's a great question. I have no idea. Don't remember wedding music choices when I was that age, to be honest. Probably. I think they're dancing. They're popy. You know? Like 80s pop?

Yeah. Okay. I'll send you a playlist, Craig. I'll make you a playlist, Craig. I'll make you a tape. I'm on her Wikipedia. In 1983, Gibson submitted a cassette recording of her original composition of I Come from America to a local radio station song contest after she won a cash prize of a thousand dollars to her mother convinced a relative to loan them $10,000 to convert the family garage

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