The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking Stars Who Might Suck, WR Calamity, and Pole Sitting Peggy

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

The guys react to the wide receiver chaos around the league, including the 49ers injury avalanche, Cooper Kupp trade rumors, Jameson Williams’s two-game suspension, and more (1:30). Next, POWER HOUR! They discuss which well-known players might not be as good as their level of fame suggests, including Mr. Unlimited, a Drew Brees merchant, Kyle Pitts, and much more (21:51). Plus, Fantasy Court and emails (59:16)! Davante Adams’s roommate (24:25) He’s dating Taylor Swift and starring in an FX show (28:11) Mr. Unlimited (33:55) The NFL’s most famous short king (36:06) Jalen Hurts might be hotter than he is good at football (39:20) Did Trevor Lawrence peak early? (42:17) He’s not a player, but this still applies (46:22) Najee Harris the plodder (49:17) Kyle Pitts is famous for the wrong reasons (51:32) Is Breece Hall overrated? (55:58) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Okay, this is a true story. I have a friend who once faked his own death so he could have more time to watch his favorite TV show. In my new podcast, Truthless, I'm talking to people about the lies they tell, from forging new identities to taking their love of Game of Thrones a little too far. From Spotify and the Ringer podcast network, I'm Brian Phillips. Listen to Truthless on Spotify or wherever. you get your podcasts. Football show, my name's Danny Hypertz,

and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Holda, and we are live and in person for Happy Out. Oh, not Happy Hour. Power hour. There's actually a giant happy hour going on outside. It looks like Hyvitz had participated in Happy Hour a little bit. The entire ringer is out here for Quar Week. We're in Los Angeles.

There's a giant happy hour with every coworker we have going on out there, except for us and the few coworkers here. So we are chilling in L.A., and we're going to get to a, giant power hour today with basically all the famous players who might be bad or maybe good, that guys that we can't basically definitively say good or bad and we're going to hash it out. But first, just since we last started, stopped recording, which was yesterday. And so in less than 24 hours, things that have happened since we stopped recording yesterday.

Debo Samuel went to the hospital and then was released with pneumonia. Oh, he was released. That's good to hear. Brandon Ayuk confirmed torn ACL and MCL. George Kittle tied in for the Niners as a foot sprain. And then Jorwan Jennings with a hip injury was already out this week, meaning the healthiest 49ers receiver is Ricky Pairsall, who was shot in the chest two months ago.

Chris Godwin dislocated his ankle and is out for the season. Mike Evans was writhing in agony on Monday football and is out through the bucks by. D.K. Metcalfe is week to week. James and Williams to the Lions has suspended two games for performance-enhancing drugs. Rams want to trade Cooper. Cup and Andy Dalton was in a car accident today and it seems like everyone's okay. That happened in the last 23 hours. That's pretty wild.

I don't know where to start, but I think we just have to start with just of the various teams who've been destroyed. The Bucks receivers just being destroyed last night on Monday night football, starting with Chris Godwin, dislocating his ankle. Craig, you are the king of don't play players in garbage time. Yeah. I want to start with, was Chris Godwin playing in garbage? time or because it was like 90 seconds left and they were down like 10 and they already gotten an

onside kick. Are you mad? Chris Godwin was in the game. I'm not. This is a rare pivot for me. Look, this game was within 10. Like you said, they just scored. They had recovered an onside kick. The play that Chris Gobin got hurt on, there was a minute five left, down 10. It's like, look, they were about at midfield. I don't know, man. It's still within the realm of possibility. You score, you get an onside kick, you kick a field goal, you win the game. I think this is a massive bummer. I don't think this was garbage time abuse. I got mad when it was like the Niners were up 20 and they were running Christian McCaffrey. This is not the same situation.

A massive bummer, Godwin, not only is he one of the best players in the league this year, but it genuinely just seems like one of the best dudes. And this injury was brutal. It's like the Dak Prescott. His foot's going the wrong way. Really hard to look at. They didn't show the replay on the live broadcast. And I think the saddest thing, if anybody has seen the video of Godwin,

in the cart after, he's on the back, he's sitting there. He's in an aircast around his foot. And he looks over at his medical trainer. his whoever, this guy named John, he goes, you can read his lips. He just looks at him solemnly and goes, back to work, John, back to work. Oh.

Are you not rushing? Honestly, sadder than anything I think I've seen on a screen in five years. I can't remember the last time I saw something that devastating since I rewatch Titanic. Yeah. It's really, really hard to watch this sport sometimes. This is like, we talking about this the other day. I think even before this happened, where it's like this is a ghoulish sport.

are break. Yesterday we just had, we opened with a 15-minute conversation about two uncocussions and watching the sport and how difficult it is, the cognitive dissonance at play and then one of the best

most lovable players in the league has a gruesome injury and he's, I mean, he tore his ACL two years ago and just finally has, is healthy and is back to normal and now, I mean,

his career is in peril. As he said, back to work and it's tough because you can see him come back from the knee injury. We had questions about whether he could reach this level ever again.

Leads the NFL and catches right now, Chris Godwin does. And the only player with more yards, Chris Goblin right in the receiving yards is Jamar Chase. He's been amazing. Yeah, he's the best year of his career by far. And so, it's so brutal. I mean,

and then on top of Mike Evans goes down just writhing in agony. It was horrific. It looked really bad. The most painful hamstring injury I think I've ever seen. It looked perfectly fine. I've never seen. I thought he was cramping. Yeah. He says he's out until after the buy week 11. So it's coming back maybe week 12 at the earliest. And what a crazy thing for Tampa.

I mean, it feels weird to be the Tim Robbins, you got to make money on this. Jaylen McMillan time? Yeah, exactly. Jaylen McMill will fill in. You know, they have Sterling Shepard who, you know, he... I kind of think Shepard is going to be a big part of this. Trey Palmer?

Shepard's another Clay Thompson guy. Shepard left the Giants because he had the ACL into the Achilles. It's not like he's a spring chicken. You know, Jailin McMillan's a rookie. I think Macmillan is the guy that I think is going to have a lot of role. That's funny. So Jailin McMillan was one of the three Washington receivers drafted early, right? Jalen Polk, who's in New England now and you had Rome,

Maddozenz and Chicago. None of them really performing that well this year. McMillan's kind of... I think O'Donzee has been fine. I think O'Donzee's been pretty good. Polk's struggling. Macmillan and Polk are having a rough go ahead. Polk is the most hated guy in New England.

According to his coach, yeah. His coach is saying everyone's soft and now Bill Belichick's just coming out and say, like, you know, saying, it was a team great against the run when I was there. So that's a whole blood feud. A lot's going on. So the bucks, just before we get off the bucks, I feel like... God, dude. Back to work, John.

Back to work. It's the most devastating thing I've ever seen. We should say that from now on when we have any fantasy injuries of our own. You know what I'd say? you know? Same deal. Back to work. That's what happened.

That's what I went down. I looked at my squad and I said, trying to rebuild my roster. Back to work. So, God. Other things that happen. God. Man, that was so sad.

49ers were also destroyed. So, destroyed. They were destroyed. What else were supposed to say? Annihilated. Just to atomize. Just to recap.

Christian McCaffrey had to go to Germany. Evacerated. Obliterated. Hmm. I thought you were going to do another one. Uh, neutralized. neutered.

Did we say decimated? No, that's good. That's one out of ten. The Niners are like eight out of ten. Because it was just to recap, Christian McCaffrey, Achilles 10onitis, Debo, pneumonia. Also, why was he not on that injury report? Just like the McAfree thing, how they, Monday night, like Devo just barely be on the injury report. And they're like, oh, yeah, he played two plays.

And he's got pneumonia. I don't know. That was weird. A.C.L. and MCL confirmed. So I yuk, it's not just the rest of this season. I mean, that's something, like Godwin, Iuke probably won't be himself to live. 2026 based on all these other injuries we've seen.

Because you have to, the way you eat rehab ACL and MCL are different. So you have to wait longer to start on one. And then like on the ACL and MCL together makes it longer to begin rehab, longer to finish rehab. So he might not be himself for a couple seasons. I, it's God, the Niners just snake bitten.

You know, it's just, you know what I mean? I feel like last year is just we're going to remember it as 2018 and last season where the two seasons the Niners were healthy and they made it all the way to the Super Bowl. And then every other year it's just completely destroyed by injuries. The one I want to get to right now, this one just happened.

So the Rams are open to trading Cooper Cup, which on the surface makes a ton of sense because the Rams suck and Cooper Cup's on the older side. You can't get rid of Matt Stafford right now. So per Jordan Rodriguez, the Athletic, the Rams have spoken with teams about a potential trade involving star receiver Cooper Cup. Rams indicated a willingness to take on some of

Cups 24 salary and is seeking a second-round pick. Rams really were out here just like treating all these reporters like classified, just putting up ads in the newspaper, basically. But even like, yeah, they're like, well, we'll entertain a second maybe, you know. We'll take on some of his salary. You know, there's some stipulations here that we're willing to work with you on this. We always talk about how fantasy is nothing like real NFL.

Actually, it's exactly. Just send in texts. So here's my question. On the surface, you see this and you're like, dude, chiefs, go toss. You said to me, you know, conditional third to Cooper Cup, second if it can, you know, if he plays a lot. Doesn't this have the ring of a guy who's like putting. like in fantasy, he drops in the group chat. Hey, yeah, Cooper Cup on the trade block.

You know, come get Cooper Cup. And you're like, what's going on here? What do you know? Yeah, what do you know? Yeah, yeah. Now, why would the Rams tell every team in the NFL exactly what the price is for the Cooper Cup trade? They showed him warming up in the last game.

Showing him running routes on the field. B-roll, but didn't play him. Yes. Proof-of-life. Soft-launch. Yeah, it's like, it's basically the trade agreement of like... It's like a newspaper with the current date. Do you remember that movie?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the guy from CSI. What's his name? Which one? The main guy. Caruso. He takes the class of Rossi.

I love the CSI Miami openings with him. It was like, oh my God. It's just like, hey, Horatio, she was strangled with a wristwatch. And he's like, looks like someone ran out of time. Yeah. It was the who, right? Yeah. We did a rewatchables on Proof of Life, by the way.

Check it out. Oh, so I'm a rewatchable. Yeah, yeah, of course. There's a one for us, as we call it. I was going to say, I haven't seen that. Had you heard of that film? I thought that was a phrase. It is a phrase.

It is a phrase within, like, hostage situations. I didn't realize it was a reference until you said it was a movie. Yeah, yeah. It sounds a good movie, though. It is a good movie. What happens at the end? No, no, no, no. I mean, it's an action movie.

What do you think? Okay. All right, they get the hostages? Russell Crow gets the, no, yeah, Russell Crow's with me? There was some, like, real-life controversies that happened with that movie, I think. You mean on set? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember.

Look at you. Too many rewatchables. I'm not going to say anything because I'm not 100% sure what happened. Some Russell Crow stuff? Go Google it. Oh, okay. All right. Famously not the best guy, I think, Russell Crow.

So. I don't know. I don't know. Again, I'm not going to say anything. I have a question because this kind of reminds me of, like, real life, you said real-life mirroring fantasy. You know how in your leagues when you're negotiating with a person on a player, you're, like, kind of getting close to like coming to an agreement and then the the person you're negotiating with just announces on the group thread hey Cooper Cups available all offers bring it out bring it on

it doesn't that just like that's the worst feeling yeah you like great I thought we had something here but it's like it's actually it is fair game but it's like also like fuck you yeah it's kind of like her like you're dating with all time and you're like how many people that's like 13,267 you're like you never say we were exclusive yeah exactly but anyways this it's interesting that these two news happened today, obviously, or I guess yesterday was the Godwin thing, because Cooper Cup would make a ton of sense on the Buccaneers now if the Buccaneers can convince themselves that they are legit, like Super Bowl contenders or whatever. But to get to what we're talking about when we say, I'm a little skeved out by how the

Rams are going out at this trade request because I feel like, obviously on the surface, like, hey, we might not make the playoffs. We'll get rid of Cooper Cup. But like, this is someone who the Rams, GM, Les Steed and Sean McVeigh, the head coach have referenced as there are four pillars to the Rams. Like they've said this over and over. Sean McVeigh, Matt Stafford, Aaron Donald, Cooper Cup are the load-bearing pillars of the franchise. Aaron Donald retires Cooper Cup.

To move a franchise load-bearing pillar suggests to me, and this is something. Right when he got healthy. Right when he got, bingo, Craig. Before he gets hurt again. We waited a month. Before he gets hurt again, you mean? Bingo, because think about real fantasy.

If you have someone on IR, like Jonathan Brooks to the Panthers or anybody you've ever stashed. You're not going to trade him right before he's about. to fucking play. Exactly. T.J. Hawkinson, the most insulting thing in fantasy is when you, like, have T.J. Hawkinson, the tight end for the Vikings, coming back for 20.

and you have them on your IR for six weeks. He comes back and someone's like, hey, you want to give them to me? And you're like, no, I put in the time, the blood, sweat, and tears of waiting for T.J. Hawkinson to come back. Yeah, it's like, there's no price. Someone's like, I didn't wait all this time to give up on him. For the Rams to be like, yeah, yeah, we're just going to, you know, give them up. Like, it's so weird.

And I think we never talk about this enough, but when you have a trade with a player, it's actually a lot like poker or black check where there's an information disadvantage. The team giving the player away knows so much more about that player as personality-wise and physically than you do. And in this situation, the Rams know Cooper Cup's body

and what's going on in a way that you never will. Oh, Dick a smirk like he had... I feel like you're just like making this into conspiracy theory. Like they're not good. They're trying to trade the him while he still has value. Okay, question. They're two and four. It's very public.

They put the price out. I don't know. That's weird. Do you think this confirmed? So what are you saying they're doing? I'm a little... They're worried about his health because they want to offload him

and get something for him. I know, but I'm saying the box trading for Cooper Cup for him to immediately get hurt again. That's a risk that they may feel they should take because remember, Godwin was playing the quote unquote Cooper Cup role in this offense.

Go get Cooper Cup. Get Cooper Cup to fill the Cooper Cup role. He's done it before. He knows how to run those routes. This is just kind of weird because for all the things that we have just been talking about, but also,

who can a coup is still very hurt. He's not coming back next week. Well, they'd actually just activated him from the, or they put him into the practice window. So he has like three weeks to come back. Yeah, so still not close to coming back. This team is not, this team, with Matt Stafford's age,

I would say this team is more in like win now mode than anything with Stafford. Do you think this confirms that Stafford's probably done after this year? Oh, that's an interesting question. I think Stafford, they gave him the $5 million at the beginning of training camp because he was pissed about making less

than all these other quarterbacks who hadn't won any playoff games. But yeah, I mean, I think Stafford. It's like they're going to get a second round pick for Cooper Cup. This just feels weird to me. It's like you're kind of giving up on right now. Well, the Rams are weird because I think that they started this rebuild, and we talked to last year how they were like tanking,

and then they actually were really good, but then this is almost like the hangover of, the Rams are in a very weird. Matt Stafford's a win now quarterback. But their team is very young. No. And they lost Aaron Donald and the, yeah, everything's good. Maybe they know.

Maybe Stafford has just already told him he's like, probably not going to come back. And they're like, all right, let's, let's, I mean, he's, what, like 36 or seven? Yeah, and he's, and, you know, physically he's probably older. I mean, he could have retired three years ago. I mean, he was in a pitch count because his elbow three seasons ago. So, all right, that's all the crazy stuff with any other crazy receiver drama. In case, I lost track of any of this stuff. James and William.

Oh, the last one. James and Williams. Dude, what's this guy's doing? Suspended for two games for performance enhancing drugs. If I get any part of story. Wild card. I just called you a superstar, man. And this is what you do to me?

Honestly, this is kind of superstar behavior. It is. In the words of... Wide receiver one. What did Stefan Diggs say this week? I've never been the bigger person. I'm never the bigger person. I've never been the bigger person

a day of my life. That's the best line. That's such a bar. I never the bigger person. Should that be the bio of our Instagram? I've never been the bigger person. Yeah. Just in the Instagram,

ringer fantasy football. Follow, follow. I think that's the funniest quote. I'm never, I'm never the bigger person. Either way. Yeah, it's like,

I've never been or I'm never. I'm never the bigger person is such a good one. It's so amazing. It's just like a, that's like a receiver mentality. Diggs. In a quote. I feel like I get it now.

Diggs exemplify. wide receiver one behavior, perhaps more than any wide receiver, I would say. Did you, do you remember there was an interview from like a few years ago when he saw the Vikings? And it was like, a guy was going around interviewing. Who's the last guy you wanted to date your daughter on the team? It was sister, I think.

But regardless, like, and all of them were like, digs. There was like five guys that were like, hmm, that's a good guy. Oh, digs. Oh, definitely digs. It was like the Bambi pole where it was just like everybody, every single person. It was literally unanimous.

Yeah. The other. Unnecessary drive by. God, dude. The James... The James... The James... The James and Williams thing,

can I just throw one thing out there? So, I believe, it's two games for performance-enhancing drugs. Yeah. Weird length of suspension for cheating. I know. So he took one injection? It's like how long...

Just one leg. How much cheating is, like, two games? Yeah. I feel like it's either zero, like, fine him $100,000. Or like six to eight. Or six. It's so funny to me... Has he hasn't had a suspension because of PEDs before, right?

It's like a sliding scale. So, like, the first one is, like, like, a certain... it's like there's a whole Is there a severity of PED usage? It's like how many times you get caught.

But I'm saying like if you, if they found out that you had been using a certain type of drug or have been using it for a certain amount of time, does that matter?

Like anabolic steroids? Yeah, yeah. Isn't it funny though that a drug suspension is literally an eighth? It's an eighth of the season? Jesus. I think there's,

I don't remember because there's a billion rules in the NFL. I don't even like know all the actual rules of the league. There's probably like a sliding scale in terms of like, you know, maybe it's just like class A, class B, whatever, you know, in terms of types, how stringent it's enforced.

But I think it's also like, there's a whole process where you can like, you get tested, you get either like you come up negative, then you can like, you know, say that it wasn't you and then you could go in front of like an arbitrator or whatever. I don't know exactly what the process is, but it's like a pretty long process. And then it ramps up and scales. And if you get caught more than once, like it's like exponential. So this is just the first one, but it's kind of like a shot off the bow, I think, by the NFL. Are you guys nervous pears? Do you think you could pee in the cup in front of the NFL people? Because, like, they know about the fake penis things now? So, like, they'll watch you. Do you think you could pee in the cup like every week?

You know what the secret is? You count down from 10. What do you mean? You just count. Literally just count. If you have, if you're nervous peer and you're like worried about like. Yeah, yeah. Because it like takes your mind off of it. Yeah. So if like, you know, like in the bath, in the bar bathrooms when it's like You have stage fright. Right next to you. Someone's just like literally.

Or you can see, kind of like in your perspective. You pee in the trough? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude. That is a different. That's a different world out there. That's why they closed it.

You know my whole story about Greg's, Craig's golden urine? We talked about that. No. We definitely have on the box. Zero chance. Craig's golden urine? Yeah, my friend in high school

used to get drug tests and I would pee in a in a cup for him. I would pee in a five-hour energy bottle. I don't care that we're alive. Who cares? This was 10 years ago. What? What?

Statute of limitations. Probably. Yeah, I used to pee in a 5-hour energy bottle and give it to my friend and he would use it. For what? For work? We don't need to get into that. But I didn't smoke. I was not a weed guy. I didn't smoke a lot of weed in high school.

So my urine, I only drank. Also illegal. So my urine was clean. Marijuana free. What did you charge for that? You get good rates? Just a friend move. It's a favor.

It's been kind of skittish right now. Yeah, I'm not going to name anybody. You're not going to know who it is. He knows who he is if he's listening. Greg's cold. Is this the origin of the gentleman's piss club? Dude, this is a side revenue project for gentlemen's piss club is we can also sell clean urine. Right.

Oh, yeah, that's not going to be an issue. We got to figure out how to use the extra urine. That'll put us in contact with good people, I think. Jameson Williams. We won't get caught up by the U.S. cycling. The U.S. Armstrong. The U.S. Postal Service team. Yeah, Russia.

All right. What were you talking about? I don't know. A movie gun. Greg's golden urine. Craig's golden urine. Should that be the title of the show? I call you Greg.

I said it first too. I said Greg. If anybody needs pee, I'm still not a big weed guy. If anybody needs pee, let me know. You're going to get some weird requests. Do you think anyone's going to be like genuinely I need your urine? I don't know what's going out of the YouTube comments. But yeah, let us know.

Craig, where are you located for the people? People don't need to know that. DM us for, if you need Craig's urine, DM us on Instagram at Ring your fantasy. Or like, or email us if you have, like, ways you averted drug tests. Yeah, ways you averted drug test for your fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you had a drug test related. Yeah, if you had a friend who was their own version of Craig's golden urine, I want to know about it. Or if you're a drug tester, if you're listening and you do that.

I was just mad at Ryan Braun. I loved Ryan Braun because he was like a really rare, like, Jewish baseball player who could really hit well. Yeah, the brewer. He was awesome. And then I was mad at him because he, like, basically tried to save his career by Armstrong to this too, by basically like... He's like really indignant about it. He threw the tester under the bus to try to be like he spoiled.

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We're going to do the power hour. So much news today, it's crazy. It's actually, we should have just power ranking news. I know. I feel like nine of fans, they're devastated about, oh, God, what?

No context for your fantasy football show. Craig is currently confessing to crimes with a retweet of our live show here. Put that out. That's good. That's good. Live. People like that live. People like live confessions. You can prove nothing. Yeah. No proof. No proof. Come at me. One of the like inside jokes with my high school friend group was like we would always just go, no proof. And like when the Bambi thing happened, I almost used that. I'm like, no proof. Show me proof. We just run the clip of you saying it. Yeah? You think Bambi's less popular? No proof.

Show me proof. Well, we had the revenue. That was pretty good. That's not proof. That's absolutely not proof. Revenue, the poll. The poll. Well, right? I mean, that is... Which was won by Mickey Mouse.

Which wasn't even the argument. Bandy got 16 votes. Yeah, that was because, you know, no proof. So we were going to power rank the... We started with... That whole thing was a lie, by the way, that Craig's golden urine thing. That was a lie. You have a vivid imagination, Craig.

Pat McAfee is the bottom scroller. That's basically because Brett Forbes sued them. And now it's just like over and over. Like, dude. not sue us, this is a comedy show. We should probably add that before, like, Brett Farm suzes. Yeah. John, can we get the Kairon to say, this is a comedy show?

It's a comedy show. Just say, no proof. It is just fine. Copy and paste, whatever, the Maccifilegal disclaimer. No proof. Okay, so, we started, we were going to power, we were in power rank, how, uh, we were to power rank, famous players who are bad. And we came up with a rough list, like a few weeks ago.

Because we just did the next generation of superstars. And then we came up the list, and then all these people are, have played actually pretty well since then. And so now we're going to power rank. It's basically the most famous players who might not be good. And we're going to figure out where they are in the ratio of fame to goodness. They're not as good as they are famous. They're not as good as they are famous.

That's exactly it. Yes. And we want to just correct, you know, course correct of how famous versus how good and, you know, why they have the real estate in your head. And for those who don't know, we're going to do this power hour style. So we're going to count down. And every two minutes, you're going to hear this sound. Best three seconds of every week is just hearing that.

Okay. Hits. It does hit. So we're going to power rank these. It's a little tough to actually rank these because I feel like we're going to immediately undo all the rankings as soon as we decide. But we're going to have a little verdict at the end of these.

So each these, John Richter, please start the clock, two minutes and counting, number one, it has to be number one on how good and are famous they are. Aaron Rogers, quarterback for the Jets. D.K. Is Aaron Rogers still good? I don't think he's like really good anymore He's good I think that his coaching

His GMing and coaching is more of a net negative Than his quarterbacking is still good Right You ever said? You ever like heard the expression The proof is in the pudding like The proof is in the urine is what I said Yeah Yeah

The proof is not of the urine Well isn't there There's all these stats flying around That he has The Jets have actually scored The exact same amount of points As the Zach Wilson led Jets from last year And they also have

half the wins that Zach Wilson did through seven weeks. That's my favorite staff. They were four and three. They were four and three, and the Rogers are two and five. Can you imagine time traveling and telling Sean Fennessee that a year ago? Cooper Cup to the Jets? That would fix it.

But he's never played with their Rogers. Tennessee was always out on this whole. That's true. They have two outside receivers. They don't have a slot. No, that's the problem. They need Cooper Cup. No, that's good.

I would say, obviously, with every guy that we're going to talk to here, there's shades of gray. I think Aaron Rogers is still really good at some things, but I think something that would have been completely, you know, predictable he doesn't move as well as he used to. And I think that places a lot of limitations on the offense.

We've talked about this a lot. He's hit the offense that he's running now is basically like him, you know, not every play, but like a lot of the time, and especially in key situations on third downs, is like him getting up there, reading the defense, checking to something that he thinks is going to work, swing passes, like it's all, it's a lot of stuff to the sideline,

a lot of stuff that's just, you know, gets the ball out quickly, avoid pressure because he can't move, because he can't boot out and do some of the things that used to be able to do. I think, I don't know, like, good is obviously a very relative term. I think he's good, but he doesn't desert. Like, it's not obviously the, it's not working with the Jets.

That's not anything new. I was very jealous of Julian Edelman this week who said, this is Tom Brady's fault. Because Tom Brady went to the Bucs. No, Tom Brady went to the Bucs, did it, won the Super Bowl his way with his offense and, like, his players. And now everyone thinks they can do it. And Rogers is just trying to do the Brady thing.

I mean, if you look at Aaron's numbers, they're like fine. Like, don't you think of Aaron Rogers is on the Lions Would he be just as good as Jared Gough? That's a really... But no, because Rogers wouldn't like what the Lions are doing. The Lions do all this motion. Jared Gough turns his back.

As much as Jared Gough's as a statue, Goff is actually one of the best play-action quarterbacks in the league with, like, the play, the pretend. Gough is like one of the best since Peyton Manning of like, Gough every now and then the season can do it naked bootleg because no one thinks he has the ball. And so he's good at all the stuff.

Rogers does no, frankly, zero interest in, like, turning his back He's in his Ben Rothesberger era where he's like, I'm doing what I want. Exactly. But that really is it. It's the stubbornness of the stubbornness. It's like your parent refusing to learn some new email application or something is what's

holding him back. Because I actually think physically, he actually still can do it. It's the cage of his own creation. I think it's also just a continuity thing with the Lions. They've been doing this for a couple years now. Every player in that system knows the system from like the back of their hand. They're all on the same page for the most part. The run game is married to their past game.

Right now, that's not true at all with the Packers. Like, their run game is struggling. The only thing good that Briseau does these days is, like, catch passes, which I think we'll get to eventually. And so... Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. But, yeah, so I think it's just not working how it's supposed to be working.

Big apology to Tom Tom. Yeah, sorry, Tom, Tom. That's my bad. All right, next... Oh, take that back. Okay, sorry, Tom Tom, Tom. You know, we never call a Genius of Love. We always say Tom Tom, great song.

That's the band. That's the band, yeah. It's genius of love. Genius of love. We don't ever say that. Dicke's a genius of love. All right. You are.

That's what they say. That's like he called me in high school. Love guru. No proof though. No proof. No proof. Okay. Next person of famous, but are they good?

There can only be no, this is the only person. Travis Kelsey. Chiefs tight end. No need to explain how famous he is. He's probably the most famous football player on Earth, right? I think definitely. Definitely.

More than Mahomes, you think? Yes. Because of the Swifty thing? Yes. Dude, Mahome. Okay, I'm not going to get into a fame thing right now. No, we're doing this right.

Who's Bambi? How, how, Mahomes is Bambi in this case. He's been, actually, yes. Mahomes is not more famous than Kelsey. No, no, no. Dude, the amount of, the amount of new fans that Travis Kelsey brought into the NFL, or that Taylor Swift brought to the NFL, coupled with the amount of people who actually just like the NFL and know Travis Kelsey,

he probably doubled his family. Think about all the podcast fans that know Kelsey too. But, D.K., can I ask you this question? How many people percentage-wise know Patrick Mahomes, but have never heard of Travis Kelsey? but don't really know his name. He saw his face that wouldn't even go, who's that? None.

Zero. No, not none. But like very few. He's a quarterback. Quarterbacks are like infinitely more famous than tight ends. Who watches the Chiefs and it's like, oh yeah, Mahomes, there's no idea what Kelsey is. The amount of people who Kelsey is. It's people that like sort of follow what's going around the NFL.

People know quarterbacks. People do not know tight ends. He has like five commercials. He has like the most famous podcast in the world. He's dating the most famous person in the world. And he's one of the best players in the world. Like the amount of people who know Kelsey but don't know Mahomes is pretty sizable. Time for a poll.

YouTube comments, whatever. Yeah, let's do a poll on Spotify. So anyway, if he's good or not. Is he still good? You know what's funny is like, man. Well, the fame part is important too, but he's in so. He's clearly the most famous player in the NFL. I think so.

I personally think so. I believe that wholeheartedly. Okay. That's fine. You're bothered by this. No, I'm not. I'm bothered by your confidence in it. You don't think it's as much of a landslide.

I just look at it as who Aaron Rogers is, but doesn't know who Travis Kelsey is. I think I just get bothered when Hy-Fitz is. is this confident about anything. That's fair. I support that. So I don't actually want to die on this hill. I died on the Bambi hill already. Like Bambi's mom, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. See, you know. My question. Because it's world famous. Yeah. You guys were asking what Bikini Bottom is all about. I learned about, yeah, we didn't even get into it. We did not even get into if he's good.

Do we run it back? No, we just plow through? Just move on. Is he good or yes or no? Well, I feel like I want to talk. about it. I want two minutes on it. Just do it. Go, go, go. Fine. I don't know if, I honestly, part of me is, I feel like everybody

is agreeing that, like, he's washed now, right? I don't know if it's because of Travis Kelsey, like, truly falling off of a cliff, or if it's kind of like this Chief's team in general and Mahomes are holding him down a little bit. If you look at some of the underlying metrics, like, you know, his

target rate, his snap rate, all the stuff, like the amount of routes he's running, all of it's kind of similar. To be honest, a lot of this is just like the Chiefs aren't throwing that much, and when they are throwing, Mahomes is not that good. Mahomes has less passing touchdowns than Andy Dalton this show. You know, and I'm like, I wonder if the Chiefs do put this together in the second half of the year or in the playoffs, I actually kind of think Travis Kelsey could like snap right

back and he's not completely off a cliff. That's what I'm kind of out with Travis Kelsey. I think my take on Travis Kelsey is he's going to be really good in like week 16 through the playoffs. I think I agree with you. Yeah. I think that's the simplest way to put it is that Travis Kelsey a few years ago, up until two seasons ago, also carried a lot of.

about, like, obviously everyone wants to win a Super Bowl, but he also cared a lot about yards, records, touchdowns, like being famous enough to date. But now that he's here, the reality is he's older. I mean, he's 34, and he's, he's on the, it's obvious, but he's on the precipice of, if you think Michael Strahan had a good, like, post-annifle playing career, and he's about, him in the, he's about as good as there is.

Travis Kelsey knows that he just needs five good games, basically, and to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. And if he wins the Super Bowl and he is Kelsey, not just Taylor's just boyfriend, but like he's also like he is the only three Pete Super Bowl champion ever like the chief will be the only three Pete team that's your log line that's your tagline for the rest of his life and that sets him up for an A plus plus list celebrity basically like the work

he's putting in is for January to February he could literally be one of the five or ten most famous people in the world that's what's going on in his head I don't know if that will happen but that is basically and so yeah it's it's the ultimate pick in your spots load management yeah I believe that all right No? No, no, I was just thinking about the fame thing. Dude, most famous person in the world. You don't think he's thinking that way?

I'm not saying that's going to happen, but he's thinking. Taylor Swift is the most famous person. They will have the most famous celebrity baby sense. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. We have to do an argument on every single show on who's famous. Who's more famous?

Because it's such a, like, subjective. But I guess I just look at it as like every. Not subjective, but it's hard to like define exactly. It's hard to gauge. Yeah, yeah. There's no like Nielsen rating. But there is, though. Also, Nielsen ratings are fucking bullshit.

Oh, you are a Nielsen tester. You had a box, didn't you? Back of the day. Back when they had big, like, huge TVs that you could attach a box to. Someone just knocked on your door and asked and you were too nice to say now. Let's be honest.

I'm going to be honest. I wasn't super honest about what we were doing with our TV in terms of like how many people are watching. Cinemax. Yeah. Well, they can see what you're watching, but you have to like enter in

how many people are there, blah, blah, blah. There's all this, like, data entry things, and we definitely didn't do that ever one time. It's like the original password sharing. Yeah, we represent like a huge group of people in the area that I was in, so it's like, I don't know. That is how advertising works. Yeah.

All right. Anyway, that's why I'm always skeptical about fame. That's why else. Because if it had a Nielsen experience in 1992, no proof. All right. Next up, D.K. That's good. It's famous versus our.

the good. Russell Wilson, quarterback for Pittsburgh. What a shift for Russell in like four days. Yeah. We went from making fun of him on bingo to everyone saying he's like the best. He's way, way better than Justin Fields. I would say the Russell Wilson thing is he looked a lot better than people expected, but he also was not as good as people made him out to be. If he watched the, or if you look at like his past chart, for instance, it's almost all like to the sidelines within 10 yards. There's like a smattering maybe five throws past 10 yards in this game.

They were all down the sideline. And they were all down the sidelines. He made an acrobatic catch to secure. I would say there was one big time throw which was to Pat Friar Muth that one play. But other than that, it was like he was fine. Like he was fine. I don't want to be that guy, but I'm willing to throw

a lot of cold water on this Russell Wilson like Renaissance tour he's on right now. I feel like the Jets suck. Honestly, there was like three, the three biggest plays of the game were all acrobatic catches by George Pickens. Russ was fine. He honestly had a couple really bad throws. And what was one of our momentum tattoos to start the season? Nothing is as good or as bad as it seems.

Yeah, yeah. Russ is not as good as it he seems right now, I believe. Very famous, though. Very famous. I think the one big thing that I was actually impressed with in this last game is he only took one sack. That's like huge. If they're going to, if the Steelers want to continue doing this and like be successful at it, him being, him only taking one sack is like, a major piece of this whole thing. How quickly do you think Russell Wilson goes back to closer to what we thought he was

four days ago? I think the second he plays a team that can generate some pressure, which could be the Giants next week. I think you're going to start seeing the cracks very soon. Roger said today that Jets' defense is playing too angry and they should have more fun, which, dude, please. I will say if the Giants lose to Russell Wilson and sitting there doing

press conference in his full shoulder pads, I can imagine being angry. Should I be Russell Wilson for Halloween and just be Should I sit and do a show in the shoulder pads of the Csler's? Yeah. Write that down. That's really good. All right.

Next up here, we have D.K. Kyler Murray, quarterback for the Cardinals. Kyler Murray's pretty famous. He's pretty famous. I've been asking this question a lot myself, to myself this year.

I'm like, because I wanted to be in on Kyler for this season. I kind of, I think it was pumping him up in the off season as, you know, having the Cardinals be like a big time factor in fantasy football. Like so far, I think Kyler's been,

statistically okay or at least in fantasy he's a I think where is he in fantasy he's like 11th or something like that a little disappointing which is a little disappointing considering how much he runs

I think I expected more as a passer but if I what I dug into it last night I think maybe just like my impression of how they played doesn't match up with like what the stats say because the stats actually say he's been top 12 in a lot of different categories so PFF grade he's ninth

QBR he's eighth or he was coming into last last week and they ended up winning last night, last night. Passer rating 12th, success rate 11th, EPA for Dropback 11th. He has the fourth most big time throws. He's tied for third and turnover worthy throw-weight. Very low turnover-worthy play rate. He has a low sack rate.

His pressure to sack rate is very good. Basically, the only real set that I could find that was really bad is his off-target rate is pretty high. It's 27th in the NFL. And I would say there's one other glaring one. It's winning games. Yeah. What was the last time we Kyle won two games in a run?

I think three years ago. The problem with Kyler is like, we're at the stage where it's like, sure, you're talented. We can see it on the field. Like win a playoff game. Justin Herbert a little bit is in the same camp. I think absolutely.

You're good. Now do something with it. Okay, cool. You're good. It's ironic they were playing each other last night. It's like you want both of these guys to be better. Like, I just want them to be better. We were talking to Van Lathen while we're here in L.A.

This week, and we got to have Van Lathen on the show at some point. But we talked to Van for like 15 minutes about Kyler Murray. and I just keep coming back to like not to be heightist but there is something to That's when you know you're going to be heightest Yeah, that's true Yeah

It's kind of like that with all due respect Kyler's too short This is a comedy show Was that the real timer? I think it was Oh my God So I actually think he's good I'm landing on like

He's famous and good He's really good But there's caveats Kyler is in the category of players who similar to we always said Russell Wilson runs the Russell Wilson offense because he's too short and he can only do what he's incredible at but that's all and in a weird way similar to Rogers

and that's actually kind of the theme of this is that people who are limited to doing what they do bad there's not there's not wrong with that but there's a ceiling in what they do because there's only so many colors of the rainbow that they can paint with and Kyler can paint with a really long paintbrush a really long paintbrush I don't get that choice because he's so short

the easel's too high. The irony of this discussion is like his interception last night, he like literally tried to do like a jump pass over the offensive line and couldn't do it. Dude, that's such an ick. That's such an ick. He's like, oh my God. You know, like tried to like flip it over, didn't quite make it.

It's such an ick. I'm sorry. We disrespected genius of love. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, that's the song title and not the band, right? Tom Tom Club is the band. Got it, got it, got it. Jalen Hurts, quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles.

another player who is good but also limited. Yeah, Jalen Hertz is so weird because I feel like two years ago we went to the Super Bowl where they played the Chiefs in Phoenix. And he played one of the best games I've ever seen a quarterback play. Looked like the future of football. Genuinely, he had 300 yards, no interceptions, ran for 70 and three more touchdowns, had a two-point conversion, was a holding call away from winning the Super Bowl. I think he's very famous.

And I think at the time I was buying everything Jailen Hurts. was selling, all his, like, BS motivational phrases, you either win or lose, or sorry, you either win or learn, 10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you respond. Like, he speaks in these, like, motivational speak generalities. It's like the posters. It's like if Russell Wilson was cool. Yeah. Just all cliches. And now, the last two seasons, it's turned on me. And, like, those, those quotes now, just kind of, they give me the ick a little bit. It's like, the way I think about it is, like, if, like, when an actor wants to do, like, method, when an actor wants to go method, right? When Daniel Day Lewis does it, it's cool. That's sick. But when we just did the hereditary

on the rewatchables and Tony Collette, the lead actress in the movie, was talking about how one of the kids, Alex Wolfe, went method, the whole movie. He's 18 years old. He introduced himself as Alex finally when they finished shooting to the casting crew. Wow. And she was being polite in the interview, but it was like, this was annoying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I kind of feel like that's where I'm at with Jalen Hertz. That's, he's a method actor. He's a method actor. And he's really, And he's not really acting well anymore. It's really cool when you're winning and you're in the Super Bowl. Yeah.

And then the second you kind of suck. Yeah, I think Jalen Hurd, you know, so Stephen Ries is amazing. He does her quarterback rankings for the Ringer, and he has so much awesome insights of quarterbacks. And we were talking, I forget when he said this, but he just off-handedly, it's just like, you know, Jailen Hertz can't throw on the run. And, oh, he said this on Bill's show. And I always knew Jailen Hurts wasn't good at throwing on the run, but Stephen's point was he actually, like, he actually, like, literally can't. And I cannot see it the lack of hip mobility Jalen hurts he cannot throw on the run

He's mobile but he's not a threat They always lit out of bounds it's crazy Also his style he can't throw over the middle field Very well like it's like the only thing he can hit is that deep shot to AJ Brown Right Which yeah and that is the theme though It's like Russ Jaden Daniels away Kyler there's a lot of these guys who for whatever reason

But like Have you throwing Jaden in there already? No no Jaden's really good at it's actually been really good over the middle so far But he's six foot four He can do it you know I'm not saying Jalen's short, but that's the difference of Kyler and Jaden. Like, Kyler's too short to do the middle field. Jalen's 6'4, which we kind

didn't talk about enough in the pre-draft process. He's three inches tall and the Caleb Williams. And so, look, a lot of the exceptional skills you have are you learn them because you freaking had to. And so I think that's, yeah, Jalen, it's weird sitch. It is. I worry that

it's not going to get better. But significantly famous. Right. Very similarly, Trevor Lawrence quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's a good one. famous he is. So this is the most impossible question. He was,

I mean, he was really famous in college. Oh, yeah, he was way more famous in college than he's been on the Jacksonville Jacksonville. I mean, he was like the next luck.

Mm-hmm. So it's like, is he more famous than Jalen Hertz? No. Is he? I think you're right. No. Lawrence in 20,

he wasn't in a Super Bowl like Hertz, but Trevor Lawrence was like, oh, this is the next Peyton Manning. This is the next, you know, guy. They just like, droid Alabama in the national championship.

And he was like 19. Apex Mountain. But that was his Apex Mountain. Jailner's had won that Super Bowl against the Chiefs. I think that he would have been a superstar and had five commercials. Lawrence is, I mean, the biggest thing they've done is he put his crypto stuff and his signing bonus into crypto. Yikes. And then also they named that stadium.

Trevor Bank. And then they got rocked and no one even noticed, which that's pretty brutal. But I don't know. I actually think Trevor is really good. And I think he's had a lot of criticism and also obviously his stats, his turnover. are crazy. Do you put him in the same campus, Kyler and Herbert? Hable to Herbert. He's not quite neither. He's not quite either because I think that Kyler, obviously, he doesn't have any of Kyler's improvisational ability and he does have...

I'm more mean in terms of talent and expectations and what he's delivered. I think that Kyler has an absolute improvisational brilliance in the 1% and Kyler does things no one else is capable of. Trevor has all these physical tools, but the down-to-down consistent lack of consistency is absolutely maddening and i'll admit to like holding trevor to like frankly like probably a double standard compared to other quarterbacks and he probably dines out too much on previous expectations what we thought he would be coming in the draft and that one playoff win but i also keep coming back to i look at and the one thread they all have that herbert kiler and lawrence is the organizations they went to suck literally archie manning refused to

let eli go to the chargers because he's like that place is awful and the ownership's bad the jackson ownership is awful and just constantly like, as Bill Belichick would say, ready, fire aim. There's no plan in Jacksonville. And the Cardinals, the reason they were last in everything in 32nd, the NFLP. The Cardinals are the team charging their players deducting out of paycheck boxed lunches. Because if they had to stay late for team meetings, so like none of these teams are good organizations. And I think that's the frustration is it's not just being a quarterback.

There's a level of like the overall scheme, play calling. It's almost like an NBA team that has to a player have to eventually take over. like this is how I want to run the offense, get the coach fired something that there's almost like a maturity that you have to end up doing as a quarterback where you take over. Hertz, I think it has asserted himself in Philadelphia of like, this is what I want to do. I think a lot of the Eagles do is what Hertz wants to do. I think it's weird, but like Lawrence, Kyler kind of did that, but I think Lawrence needs more, there's not as much catering.

I don't know. It's really strange. If you could start, if you were starting a franchise right now and you had to choose between Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Herbert. Herbert. I want Herbert. I would go with Herbert probably. Herbert, not even close.

Because Lawrence is also tall and stuff, but, you know, he's got this. They're all six, six white dudes. It's like, he's tall and stuff. Yeah. I mean, that's how a lot of girls stay. I know. That's the first requirement on a Tinder profile. How tall is he?

He's tall. Herbert's processing and then pinpoint accuracy with the arm strength is outrageous. And there's a reason people are obsessed with them, even though, like, if you could take any guy off a team and, like, the colleague staffer with the lions, if you could take a guy off a team and be like, who would win it. who could win a Super Bowl immediately. To me, it's Herbert. Herbert and Lawrence are so similar, I think, narratively. And just like, we want more from them. And we think they're better than maybe they've shown so far.

But, like, I think there's still, like, the ability for these guys to, like, hit that elite level. But there's still just a lot of people that have doubt. And I guess the answer to your question, Lawrence on the Lions would be worse than Jared Gough. Herbert on the Lions would throw for 5,000 yards. And I think that's the difference. Herbert would win the MVP. And I think that's kind of how I look at him. Tom Tom is dead in the corner over there.

Bludgeoned to death. All right. Next up, we have this is a little different. Sean Payton. Sure. Coach for the Denver Broncos. So, Sean, I think we're breaking the fame metric here. I don't know how famous, Sean Payton is.

Among coaches? He's pretty famous. He's top five. Yeah, he certainly. I think. I think. So we're coming off this crazy Thursdays football win where the Broncos just destroyed the Saints.

I kind of think that Broncos are fraudulent. Not going to lie. I think the Broncos right now are Beasty. Everyone's like, oh, frankly, I look at the Broncos, and I think that the defense is fantastic. I don't give Sean Payton a ton of credit personally for that. Like, I look at Sean Payton as running his offense. And I look at, like, sorry, I don't, I always forget. No, the defensive coordinator for the Broncos is Vance Joseph, who actually used to work for Denver and I think it actually took a lot of humility. The head coach is kind of like, he was the head coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was like wild. And Vance Joseph came back and it was really hard for Vince Joseph to come back. But like, that defense is incredible.

That's Van Joseph domain. He was a head coach. isn't he'll be babysat. The offense is what's under Trump-Pates purview. I don't care that they have four wins. They beat the Jets when it's pouring rain in MetLife Field and the Jets missed a kick to win the game. Then they beat the Saints. Since we're missing nine starters on offense,

I don't care that you beat Spencer Rattler and with eight offense, like all the offense the line of missing. They beat the Bucks, which is the best win the Broncos have had. But the Bucs defense was missing Vita Valle and Antoine Winfield, Jr., who are the best and most important players on that defense. I just look at the Broncos schedule,

and I'm like, this is all fake. and frankly, Bo Nix is still embarrassing. No one wants to say it out loud because they're winning. Shout out to Mike Sanford. He's doing great stuff covering the Broncos this year,

but I really don't believe anything of this. And I think Sean Payton, by the end of the season, we'll not be riding high on the vibes right now with them. Oh, congrats in your four wins. I think it's fake. Yeah.

He's kind of... This was kind of my take in the off season, I feel like. It's funny that was Sean Peyton. Every time you kind of think, all right, this is over, you check and you're like, oh, they're four and three. I know.

They're going to go like nine and eight this year. he's like Bizarro Mike Tomlin He's like Mike Tomlin derogatory The joke over the offseason was like What's your favorite Sean Payton move so far And it's like

I'm just like looking at What they've done with the offense It doesn't like feel like there's a ton of a There's much of a plan Like they've been you know Rotating their running backs Like every week it's like a different guy gets in They get like they've been doing the same thing

With their receivers I just it's like It's hard to see like what the plan is, he handpicked Bo Nix. He talked about how he's like his version of Patrick Mahomes. Well, less picks than Patrick Mahomes. That's true. They're going to beat the Panthers by 30 next week.

Everyone's going to be like, Broncos, five and three. And then they play Ravens, Chiefs, Falcons, Raiders, Brown. And they're going to get rocked by those teams. But they maybe they need his schedule. I think, so for these next three, we should add the caveat of like, look, most players who are famous are good. They're famous for a reason. Yeah. We're stretching a little bit here.

We're having, these are the more fun kind of guys we can bicker about. but I would not say these three guys are on the same level as, you know, Travis, Kelsey, and Russell Wilson. Next step, we have Najee Harris running back for the Steelers, which, yeah, to your point, Craig, this is more just famous among NFL players. His fame outweighs his skill. Yeah. Right. I would say. But he also had a great game on Sunday.

He said two great games. It's kind of sucks that he's actually been revived a little bit. It kind of sucks. Here's the good from Najee Harris, 478 rushing yards this year, which is eighth most. Yeah. He's got a really solid rushing grade from PFF. He's 19th in the NFL. he has seven rushes of 15 yards,

which is actually pretty surprising. That's tight for third most in the NFL. He's broken 30 tackles, which is third most. A lot of that is like volume-based, though. Definitely. They're running him a lot. If you look at his yards after contact per rush 38th out of 52 backs, 30.7% success rate, which is 52nd out of 66 backs.

He has 16% of his rushes are zero or negative yards. So he gets stuffed, 16% of the time, which is 30th in the NFL. His percentage of rushes of 5 plus yards is 52nd in the NFL. He's a plotter. And so it's like hard to... With D's for derogatory, not T, like, oh, he's scheming.

He's plotting. He's, that's his style. But, like, also he gives them an identity in terms of, like, physicality. I don't think if you gave Jalen Warren all these carries, he would be as good. He's kind of like a Tony Pollard type of guy. Yeah, I also just think, like,

he was the first time running back who went to Alabama, who was really good in college. And to be honest, seems like a great guy. He's got a great personality. I think it was just like nice to have him on the Steelers because every other player

on the Steelers is like kind of a crazy person. So like it was kind of refreshing to have like Naji Harris. You wanted to like him. Being a good guy. But yeah, you know those rushes where Derek Henry

gets the ball, gets hit like three yards behind the line of scrimmage and looks like the worst running back in the league? Yeah, yeah. Tips over. Yeah, like that happens

to Derek Henry 10% of the time. It happens to Najee Harris like 50% of the time. Yeah, like it looks like they're bringing a statue down and square. That's so good. Oh, my God.

Yeah. And that also is like... The Saddam thing is. Yeah. Because Noggi's like a tall guy. It's just like Derek Henry. Like, it can look really bad aesthetically. It's sad.

I like Noggi Harris. I want him to be good. He's not going to be in the Steelers next year. I don't think. More famous than good. More famous than good, I think. Next up here, we have Kyle Pitts, the tight end for the Atlanta Falcons. Who's back?

I was going to say, talk about all of all the people. We're so back. Kyle Pitts has, I mean, just this past week, it's seven catches, 65 yards, a few weeks ago, it's seven catches 88 yards, although we were mad about that because Kirk Cousins had like 500 plus and he still had only seven catches 88 yards. I still don't know what to make a Pitts. I feel like, again, I keep thinking about Kyle Pitts in terms of Brock Bowers, where we undersold Bowers because what are we going to say, best tight end prospects since Kyle Pitts,

who kind of sucks? Like, we didn't even know how to talk about it. And I think I still look at Pitts as like, the idea was, oh, he's big enough to block and fast enough to be a receiver, but he hasn't been blocking as well. so he just is like a big slow receiver. Can I just totally honest? Yeah, please. I still have no idea of Kyle Pitts as good.

I thought he was going to ask me to pee in a cup for him. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I still look at Kyle Pitts. I still feel like there's a piece of this puzzle that I'm missing. When I watch this Falcons offense, I still, when I watch Kyle Pitts, I still see a player who is explosive, who can get open. Really?

I don't know if I do. I just think more over the last two, this is where we're being a little bit prisoners of the moment because I think over the last two weeks he's looked pretty good. I don't know. But two different coaching staffs came in and said we don't really need him on the field, the third of the place. Sometimes he gets schemed up where he's like wide open 40 yards down the field.

But I still think when I watch him and we'll get to the next guy. But I see nothing physically extraordinary about him. It's not what he was supposed to be for sure. Yeah. And he had the MCL. Sometimes we don't call a spade a spade where it's just like a player. Like since the MCL injury, he hasn't been quite as an explosive player. It's kind of like Carson Wentz.

We all make fun of him. He tore his ACL was never the same. athleticly. To be honest, you never played the same athletically. We never just say that sometimes. When I watched like Evan Ingram run around, I'm like,

that guy looks more explosive than Kyle Pitts. Yeah. And like when you watch Bowers, especially when you compare it to Bowers, like Bowers moves differently. Sure. You know what I mean? Like he,

he, you can tell it's him. Like even if you're just sort of glancing at the screen, you can see that, oh yeah, he's, that guy moves different. He is more explosive and more twitchy than the guy's trying to guard him.

And I think with, with Kyle Pitts, it's like, oh, he got open. But maybe that was just like a zone defense and he just kind of snuck into the he's not like winning one on one like you kind of expected him to. Well once

again say I want to write him off I just keep coming back to still younger than Dalton Kincaid who was a first round pick like last year. Like Kyle Pitts is younger than three people taking in the first round. Who's better Dalton Kincaid or Pitts? Pitts Kincade? I think so too.

Pitts is younger than three people taking in this year's first round. We haven't talked about Kincaid a lot this year. He's not been great. It's just the role he has is just frankly I feel like not conducive the offense they want to run now. I wonder if Al-Mari, the presence of Amari, will help Kincaid, because I don't think Kincaid is a number one.

Kincaid's not going to be who, I think I hoped you would be. Travis Kese's not going to date. He's not going to be Travis Kelsey-esque. Yeah. Well, Kincaid could be one of the ten most famous people in the world. One day. More famous than Mahomes?

Probably. Do you really think Kelsey's not more famous than Mahomes? I don't, I don't have a strong, I don't have like a strong opinion on it, but how certain you are that, Patrick Mahomes, who is the best player, the best quarterback in the NFL. Some consider the best quarterback maybe ever.

I just think there's people who've never watched a football game who know who Travis Kelsey is now. I would say the exact same thing about Mahomes. Oh, I don't know about that. Yeah, like they've heard of Patrick Mahomes. He's so famous. I don't know. I don't know.

But famous than what? Travis Kelsey has more commercials than Holmes. He's the best quarterback on the back-to-back Super Bowl winning team. People have heard of him. He's a household name. Travis Kelsey is so famous that his brother has three different commercials. for like Amazon, which is a $2 trillion company, Google, which is $2 trillion company.

His brother has two of those. I mean, like, he's going to have America's version of a royal wedding with Taylor Swift. Kelsey's not famous for the record. But I'm just saying, like, I think people who don't even know anything about the NFL know who Mahomes is. I think more people that don't know anything about the NFL

knows Chelsea. Maybe that's true. I don't know. His confidence is annoying. His confidence is annoying. That's all. That's all I'm saying. He just hates me.

If I had said the other thing, Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. If I had said, like, I don't know, and I'd be like, oh, yeah,

maybe. But Hyfitt says, like, he dives into the deepering me. He's so confident, it makes me furious. Well, he's got the mind of a quarterback.

That's how you got to go through life. Yeah. See, here's the thing. I've never been the bigger person. That's nice. Breeze Hall, running back to the near Jets

is the next one of just fame. I don't know. He's not that famous. Let me cook here. Yeah, please. I know he's not that famous. But for, Christ's sake. Brees Hall was like the number one pick in fantasy this year, pretty much.

One of the top three. If you didn't take McCaffrey, you were probably taking Brees Hall, right? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I feel like I'm the only person peddling this Brees Hall conspiracy, and I try to proselytize D.K. And it doesn't work. It's starting to work. You started to, like, win me over on this. I don't know what Brees Hall does exceptionally well.

I know he has good hands. I would say, if I had to pick something, I'd be like, he's got good hands. I don't think maybe he's hurt this year. I don't know. He doesn't look explosive. He doesn't look fast. You have to separate it into this year because I think last year he looked awesome.

That's fine. Yeah, yeah. But as somebody I drafted him this year, I spent 55 bucks. There's something up with him this year. I, I, he is not,

he does not look like a Derek Henry, McCaffrey, Sequant, Bijan. To me, he does not separate himself like, like those guys do. He does not have anything

physically exceptional about him. He looks like a good, solid running back. Yeah, he looks fine. Craig, Craig, like, broached this

and I think this is like one of the very few times where I was like, I scoffed at him almost because he was like he was like Breast no juice no juice and then like literally maybe like

10 minutes later Breast this was I think a few weeks ago on it might have been the nationally televised game I can't remember he got like he got a pass or a run on the edge and he kind of like had a chance to score and the defenders caught up with them and I was like oh

Craig I think you're right actually Every now and then something is like whoa this is like there's something up Every now and then you get as frustrated with Craig as you do with me and I'm always like, whoa. And the Breece Hall thing was... Hi Fitzhens is like, okay, we're ready, let's strap in.

I'm just like... Sometimes I'm like, I don't know, this guy just looks like Travis Etyn. Yeah. Breezole has had... Brise Hall and Derek Henry have actually both had these like long runs that get tackled at the five

and like you... Derek Henry weighs 240 pounds, so it's okay. Like... Right. I think that we had talked about it earlier where basically because of what Rogers wants to do, the run game gets simplified in a lot of ways and so Braylonan Allen's actually

probably a better scheme fit. But I'm not even saying, saying that like, I'm saying even when Breece Hall has like open room to run. He keeps getting caught. He doesn't look that. He looks average to me. It's kind of, you've actually sort of like won me over on this argument. I think there's something going on.

It's probably just not healthy. Like that, you know, it might be it. Just not healthy. Because he's actually, he recovered in fantasy. He's actually been decent. He's had two good games in a row. They're giving him a lot of carries now. Obrick has seemed to commit to him much more than Braille.

They basically took Braille now. Yeah. There are running lanes for him now. They throw to him a lot. I'm not saying he's a bad fantasy player. I'm just like, when I watch him, I'm like, for briefs. Right.

You know? What? What? He said that. Come again? No proof. No proof. In this case we do actually have proof because it's on record and it's live.

It's a comedy show. Yeah, that's true. This is a comedy show. I didn't even know that about McAfee. They have a kind of lower third now. They spell it like different Pittsburgh with the Don, like D-A-H-N and they're like, hey, this is a comedy show and they have like intentional spelling errors in the ticker. And yeah, it's just, yeah.

It's like, it's like, it's like, This is definitely a fully, this is a legally defensible disclaimer. Yes. Yes. This absolves us of all responsibility. Ha, ha, ha. Funny. All right.

Time for us to get serious. This is America's favorite segment right here. Oh, boy. This is, it's fantasy court time. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched. That's great reading.

Clark's got like his readers on. He's like reading the dictionary. We needed to know if a cloud qualified as an object. Craig's in court defending his friend for whatever piss test they lied for and he's just like, look, the definition of an object

is something that you can see and touch. Judge is like, what are you talking about? To be honest, I did nothing wrong because the person testing my friend was his parents. So there was no... There was no... It's nothing illegal. Okay.

Yeah, it was fine. There was no, like, job. He was trying to get or company Yeah. That makes it funnier. Yeah. That's actually way better. That's an even better story.

Yeah. All right. So fantasy court. Is his parents going to be like, what the hell, Craig? If they're listening, I'll take that loss. Yeah, okay. So five-hour energy, that's a small opening. I think he wants, yeah, it is.

Sorry, I thought you were like, that's a small bottle. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I got pretty accurate. Oh, my God. Yeah. I missed that detail. It was messy for a few time.

I was going to say, I have questions I don't want the answer to. Ask him. Is he just a funnel? open book. No. Funnel. Who cares? Who cares? He must have got it covered. He's Barry Pepper over here. I would go into a bathroom and do it over the toilet. Yeah.

What else? What else would one do? So where did you keep? How did you get it to his house? Were you at his house? Do you give it to him? No, it'd be like we're hanging out and he'd bring an empty five-hour energy and he'd be like, hey, do you mind? I'd be like, no. Yeah. If you get like pee on the, on the toilet seat from now on, like Liz is going to be like, what the hell? Oh, like accuracy. Oh, right. She knows I'm a sharpshooter.

What I'm saying. Like, now you have a really high standard to meet. Yeah. No, she doesn't listen to the show. It's fine. That's true. All right. This is our fantasy court.

This is from Garrett. Garrett. Garrett. Garrett. Gare. Gare bear. Gare bear. We have a Monday night football debacle.

Oh, boy. Garrett says, I have Kyler Marine Cardinals' defense Monday night last game of the week. I lost by one and a half points. But on Monday night football, the fifth play of the game had that 320, pound defensive tackle intercept the tipped pass from Kyler Murray. During the return of the interception, James Connor, the Cardinals running back, stripped the ball from the defensive tackle, and then Michael Wilson, the Cardinals, recovers the ball. Cardinals' defense never took the field.

Offense just backed up 30 yards. Was it an interception? Is that the question? No, no, but just so you know, like when there's an interception, for NFL statistical scorekeeping purposes, the defense is now the offense. That's how it works. So the defense got credited with a fumble? It used to happen that way.

Like it used to just be like, so in that situation, James Carter becomes a defensive credit. They get credited with a fumble recovery. That would happen. But it also was messed up when pick six would count against points scored. So Kyler Murray was deducted two points for throwing the pick. The Cardinals defense was not awarded two points for forcing a turnover. Garrett thinks there's something wrong with that logic.

I don't know if I want to do it just because I'm the owner of Kyler and the Cardinals defense. and I lost by less than two points. I haven't brought it up. What do you guys think, should I bring this up and let the Vig? Basically, should the colonel's defense get points for Connor knocking the ball out? I think this is obvious. I think that you should not get the points for anything that happens when the offense is not in the field

because that's not the players you picked up. When you pick up a defense, you're trying to pick up the defensive and special teams players. I agree. Otherwise, you're trying to double dip. All right. You want one little wacky email here? Sure. Is that the only fantasy court?

Yeah, it's the only fantasy court for today. It's a light docket, you know? Thank you, Garrett. Yeah, thank you, Garrett. We can go golfing. You hate golfing. You're right, I don't know. I was just thinking, what do you think a judge does when he gets off work?

You know they did a study that judges give way harsher sentences before lunch, then after lunch? Really? Yeah. Hungry, hangary. Yeah, hangary judges like that's fucked up. The harshest sentences were giving it like 11 a.m. or 11.30 a.m. Not crazy. Wow.

Yeah. That's actually fascinating. Yeah. It's pretty nuts. Yeah, that's fucked up. So I guess, like, if you wanted to meet with your boss to talk about something serious. 2 p.m. 2 p.m.

Yeah. Bring them a sweet. Yep. Right after their second coffee. Don't, and don't meet right before lunch. Like, what's your blood sugar like right now? Yeah, definitely not before lunch.

Yeah, don't meet, don't meet. Honestly, like, maybe like first thing, maybe it's just like always tailored around when did they have coffee. Right after their first coffee

or right after their second coffee. That's also good. Yeah. But if you, if you just had a coffee, sometimes you have to take a shit and then, then you're like in a rush

and you can't concentrate and you're like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to talk to you. Maybe they'll just say yes to whatever you ask. Yeah, well, fine. You'll have a double-edged sword. Yeah.

That's interesting. That's interesting. Thank you, Craig. We should use it. We should use AI to recreate that madman scene where he asked for a raise, but instead of whiskey, they're drinking coffee, and the guy just like, yeah, take whatever you want,

it just runs out. All right, this email is from Abby. Abby. Abby. So if you'll remember, Abby sent us the trivia question on Monday about the pole sitting because of the previous Friday, shipwreck Kelly. Right, right, right.

Sad for how long? The Brooklyn Dodgers quarter, Over a year, Craig. No, no, not shipwreck. Shipwreck sat. It was that guy H. something, whatever. H. David Woder. Sat for 400.

And then we were like, he sat, we guessed he'd sat for a few weeks. H. David Worder sat for like 15 months. Craig guessed two days. Yeah, Craig guessed two days. I did. Look, I got it wrong. To which we basically were like, there's no possible way that that's right. That he was on top of a 45 foot pole. So then we basically were like, I don't know about Abby's fact checking.

Abby responded, literally subject line was defending my reputation. Sure. Okay. Abby responds What's this guy's naming it? H. David. David Worder. And she emailed us to say, Wurter stayed on the poll the entire time.

He had food sent up to him, including through a 23-year-old named Ben Towers who became the ground man. The worst job in the world. The ground man? Worst job in the world. Wendorst, Ben Towers.

What? And H. David Wurter. A ground man. Like there's a name for this. I know. Five-gallon pickle bucket for a toilet. Which was sent down to be emptied by the ground. So he would lower a bucket.

Yeah. So we're supposed to know what a pickle bucket? It looks like a separate bucket than the food bucket. No, like James Nays with like a peach basket. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a bucket. Does it really matter? You know what a bucket looks like.

Most buckets look the same. They do a basic job. Yeah, and they sent up clean piss. He took the test and then, yeah. So don't get mad at me for wondering what a pickle bucket looks like. Bucket for pickles. Okay. Continue.

Of all the things I thought my trip you guys out, that was not the part. That was not the part. Pickle bucket. Pause. Okay, so he would send down a piss bucket And then he had a separate food bucket Age David were to rig the pole with a hose for water But apparently he only took 20 showers

In like the 16 months who was up there Wait wait wait, wait So they would bring him up a hose? Is that what you just said? Yeah, a hose And then some good water pressure What's the actual technical way that he would shed? Into a bucket?

You stand up? Into the bucket. Probably squat like catch your style I think there's like one option than that yeah wait what do we what are you imagine

yeah never mind say it no there's just like there's a really old really old meme I don't even know

what the context is and it shows a guy like like pooping where he's like he's got his hands on each side of the wall like he's got his hand

on the wall and his feet on the wall and he's like pooping up and that's and I'm like that's what I'm picturing can we get

maybe we could get that for age David who's surrounded by no walls well I'm just say you gotta get creative maybe it's not what you assume. Don't always assume the obvious, Craig.

I suppose. We can put a picture up for that, maybe? Can we follow up with Abby on how he should, how he would defecate in the bucket? That might not even actually be a picture. Okay, keep going. So H.D. Rewarder was not just protesting gas prices, which he said it was the gas prices. I don't think they're a lower gas prices because she climbed a pole, but he says he also, apparently he wanted to get his world record, so he was pretending. He said he vowed a stamp until the price of gasoline went down to 50 cents a gallon

until there was peace in the Middle East until the federal government raised the speed limit to 65 miles an hour. Okay. This guy just wanted to Get his World Record. Until they raised the speed limit? And until Tampa got the Super Bowl in 1984. All right.

And so that happened. We're out on this guy. Yeah, so there's a whole profile on him at be sent in this magazine profile. And then so H-DiverWhorter was eventually brought down by the police who also had an eviction notice. It's the stinky guy shitting up there. Yeah, he had to defend.

I'm not watching him shower. This profile says he had to defend his perch vigorously, five months into his sit, a man who had been drunk tried to climb the pole and Wurter was was indicted and started pounding the guy's hands with a hammer and the man with the hammer?

Was he doing with that? Where does he keep it? How much room would be over there? It's like, you know, the show alone? You get like 12 items. He's got, I'm going to bring a hammer because I'm going to definitely need a hammer. I'm going to bring

Gone with the wind and a hammer. So later that month, two Connecticut men left a bar And went to the pole to coax Worder down They promised drugs and beer Wurter refused and an argument began And one of the men began to unscrew the bolts That held the pole in the ground And Wurder warned him and he threw bottles

And he threw a two by four board He had a two by four? Yeah, where do you get bottles? How do you have bottles they have? I don't know if I have an accurate He's got one bed of a part of that. I don't think I have an accurate picture of what he was sitting on. They woke David up as he was sleeping in his bed on top of the pole.

Oh, my God. He came out of his office. So he says he threw the two-by-four. He threw the bottles. And the guy climbed, he still kept that at, Warder said. This is a quote, so Warder flew his lucky horseshoe. Come on. This guy had a tool belt.

He caught the man above the eyebrow. Oh, wow. and says if the guy had cut out one more nut, unscrued one more nut though, he probably would have killed me. It was a good windy night and a ton and a half of the pole standing up, so he probably would have died.

Both men went to the hospital. The next day, Ben Towers, the ground guy, sealed the bolts in concrete, ground man, sealed the bolts in concrete the next day. And so the best part, Abby says, I did steer you wrong because Werder is not the actual record holder anymore. The technical record is 516 days

because a woman broke, three months after he did it and he didn't even get to announce the record because someone broke it at the same year so he never even really told them. There was concurrent sitters, poll sitters. And she broke the record. What's her story? I don't know.

Abby didn't say. How'd she shit? Wow. Yeah. So we don't know anything about her, but she sent the record. Does this change the trivia answers or the trivia winners? It was longer than 18 months. So the poll sitter record is she ended up

winning. She sat. What were her reasons for sitting? Gadsden woman set flagpole writer record in 1664. Oh, she just passed away in 2014. Oh, that was a long time ago. 2014.

Peggy Townsend Clark of Gadsden. Gadsden. Beganded on December 12th, 1963, and then ended in 1964. Oh, she had a six foot by seven foot platform in the air. And Glencoe.

We're really moving the goalposts on this. Six by seven? This is like someone who ties them. This is like someone who like chains himself to a tree. Yeah. She could fully lay down up there. She had a lazy boy up there. Could have a hammer. I feel like all these guys had platforms now that we're being honest, though.

Crow's Nest. I really don't think I have an accurate picture of what's happening in any of these sitting situations. Did she build the 6x by 7 platform? Probably. Okay. So I want to get back to the reason we got on this, which was all from Shipwreck Kelly, the quarterback of the 1934, who was named that because he was a pole sitter. And so they called him Shipwreck Kelly because of the other guy.

Shipwreck who was the pole sitter. So was shipwreck Kelly an actual pull sitter or not? Yes, he was. Yes. And so coming back all the way. There were poll sitters? And so we can, yes, so we can put this a button on this whole ridiculous thing. James emailed us.

Jimmy. Dude, the wire. Jimmy told me that. Jimmy. Never seen that, unfortunately. Dude, the wire went bunk drunk. He's like, Jimmy. Yeah.

Jimmy. Do you remember that specifically? No, I'm not going to do with you. Do you remember that? Not specifically. I'm re-watching season three right now. It's so good. Hyvitz's TV recall is unparalleled.

Dude, I love the wire. I love the wire. You love all the shows that you remember. Like Game of Thrones, Piki Blinders. The Wire has some unbelievable insults, too. Name 10. Coddice cheese, chest ass, motherfucker.

Name 10. They're pretty good. All right. James emails in at the literal height of Kelly's career in 1930. Shipwrecked Kelly. and future owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers. This is the guy who became a spy

in World War II and then killing Nazis and then became an investment thing. But while he's a quarterback for the NFL, Shipwreck Kelly set a world record by sitting atop a 225 foot tall flagpole in Atlantic City

for 49 days and one hour. Guy, everybody was doing it. What the hell? What were they doing back then? It's the original raw dogging. So, yeah, just thinking. Shipwreck Kelly said to keep, so to keep,

To keep himself from falling his sleep, he would tie his ankles to the pole and was frequently pictured in the press, hundreds of feet in the air, brushing his teeth and shaving his face. His preferred form of nourishment was coffee and cigarettes. Stud.

Which were hoisted up the pole by assistance. Built deaf. Built deaf. Just on a pole for 49 days, ripping darts, just drinking coffee. Why did he do it? No idea.

Okay. And James... Because there's nothing else to do, Craig. James presciently said, to answer your burning question, to use the bathroom, Shipwreck Kelly turned away from the crowd and used a small tube that ran to the ground into a hole. A 200-foot tube? Wait, wait, wait, 200-foot tube for what? For shitting.

Yeah. Well, no, I think it was for, well, I don't know. Yeah, maybe. No, I don't know. Probably had a pickle bucket. Why was it a problem that he fell asleep? Because he would fall off and die. So he was awake for 49 days?

that's what I was ordering too none of this makes any sense to me I don't I feel like I'm getting pumped I feel like if you're gonna pulse it for months you gotta figure out the sleep piece I think I think DK nailed it I feel like I'm getting punked

and I think that this goes into like all the stuff on the internet with AI and everything and now you can deep fake anything no proof and it's like kids no proof you know like the TikTok trend

is kids don't believe Wilts Chamberlain scored 100 points because there's no video of it and they just have the picture and they're like actually conspiracy theories there's conspiracy theories and it feels like a canary in the call mine

for like a july generation being like, no proof. I read this. The media is lying. I read this and I'm kind of like, this feels, like I can't imagine telling my kids that they're like, yeah, this happened. And they're like, how do you know? I think after this whole thing we're going to find out, they just came down from the

poll every night. Yeah. That would, that would, yeah. And it's going to be like, what? And then I would win the trivia. Great. 12 hours. Two days.

Two days was way more accurate. I think this literally all came from me being like, I don't know how you sleep or go the bathroom up there. I'm taking a day and a half. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. None of this makes any sense. The longest documented time a human being has gone without sleep is 264 hours or just over 11 days. That's zero sleep, though. That's in the controlled studies. They're nodding off.

But he's nodding off on top of a pole? I think the ankles is so he doesn't fall. What do you mean? How is he hanging upside down from his ankles like a bat? What do you mean? If he's standing on a pole and he nods off, wouldn't he fall off the pole? Right. Yes. This is the question I'm asking. That weak mentality is why you never were a fucking spy in World War II, and you didn't kill down any Nazis and were becoming an investment banker.

That's honestly probably right. Shipwright Kelly learned to sleep with his eyes open. Do you think he's real? No. Six degrees of separation. If anyone can get us in touch with Shipwreck Kelly's grandchildren or ancestors. D.K.'s last name is Kelly. My wife's name is Kelly. Maybe we can get there. Can you guys imagine?

If you had any relation, this would be like, like, it's always studied in Philadelphia, Charlie Kelly finds his, like dad at Ireland, his real dad. Yeah, yeah.

You never know, D.K. I know, honestly. That would be the greatest, if he 23 and me sponsored. How many Kellys are there in the world, you know?

Yeah, it's probably like, a couple million. 20? Craig, I'm reading about shipwreck Kelly and sleep. It's like basically saying

he would not sleep at night, but he would take a bunch of five-minute naps throughout the pole sitting. But how, Yeah, back to Craig Well, how does the five-minute nap work? Did he have a platform or not? Did he have a platform?

They would basically, he would like sit down. He would like sit and like, yeah, like cross-legged. Yeah, sit down cross-legged. Strap his ass and legs to like the pole And that way he kind of just like knotted off Like he's on an airplane. Oh, that could make sense actually. That could make sense because you're sleeping.

If you fall, then you wake up and you're okay. This is all predicated on how big the platform is. I'm imagining he's on top of a pole, not on top of a I think there's like a little seat. That's what they called it. Correct. They called the pole sitting. The woman's sitting on a raft up there.

It's not pole sitting. Don't diminish her. I am. A tiny house up there. Dmitish her accomplishment. She was breaking new ground. It's not. No, she wasn't.

She was building new ground on top of the pole. Free real estate. Oh my God. I literally just Google did flagpole sitters sleep up there. This is what we've gotten in this discussion. Did they sleep up there? This entire activity is fraudulent. Are we going to put this to the show?

Yeah, for sure. It's live. The people need to know that all these people are liars. No proof. Should I ask people to email us or do we end this? I want to know who's who's poll sitting right now. Yeah, emails to everyone is still doing it. For current poll sitters and also if anyone can get us in touch with the Shipwreck Kelly family, we'll do anything.

The Shipwreck Kelly estate. I'll send you my urine. We'll trade free P for Shipwreck. Can you imagine? we could get them out of the jam. Yeah, FreePue is my backup name. Behind Craig's golden urine. I was going to ask what's the modern equivalent of this, but you're right. It's like just raw dogging.

Like the raw dogging fat. Or it's like... Also, just the raw dogging fat, like being on a plane without any... Well, it's like, you know, now that... For reference, if you don't know what raw... Like the slang rodogging is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just going on a plane, not having a book, not having any music, not having any entertainment.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Staring at the back of the seat like putty. I learned that Carlos, raw dogs while he drives. Carlos doesn't like music while he drives. And his siblings think it's insane. But Carlos doesn't like podcasts because it's work. He needs to focus. And he doesn't do music. He just sits there and drives in silence for like an hour. Sometimes I do that. Sometimes I do that way. But here's what I'll say. I like to think.

Don't you like running that way? We talked about this. I run without music. Yeah. I don't I don't consider that raw dogging. God. To be clear, I can't run for very long. Sure. But like driving is an activity. You you are actively doing something. Sitting on a plane, you are doing nothing. That's true. No, that's true. I like to run without music because you end up thinking, your thoughts, it's almost like you get a little supercut of everything that's like you're happy

with her bothering and you figure stuff out. It becomes like a background. It's a secondary activity. Yeah, it's like my second screen. Yeah, it's like how you think of things in the shower, you know? Yeah. But I think while driving a car and not listening to anything, I don't consider that really raw, because you are actively doing something.

You're trying to stay alive. But why don't you want me? You're operating a piece of machinery. Why wouldn't you put music? It's just silently turn it off? Well, sometimes it's just nice to just, like, be with your thoughts and not be stimulated for once. I don't remember that. Just thinking.

Can you Matt? Isn't it? Why do you run then? No, I'm kidding. We're going to start talking about, like, how we, I raw dog doing the dishes. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I'm just, I'm kidding. I'm just saying, I think it's like the biggest difference to us in previous generations. It's just the ability to be alone with your thoughts. No, I refuse. It's actually, like, you know, I will say that's the one thing. The only thing every generation has in common is that they think the people, people older than them are out of touch and the people younger than you don't get it. And obviously, Kai.

You don't know anything. Five years younger than me, you'll see. And so everyone looks at the younger generation and is like, oh, yeah, why are you like this? Why are you like that? And we'll say, impossible for them to be alone with their thoughts for any amount of time. Yeah. I don't know. Kind of weird.

It is pretty boring. Sometimes I have to force myself to be alone with my thoughts. Like I have to like reprogram my brain. Like, it's okay to have nothing to do or hear or. or watch for 30 minutes. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it's weird.

All right, we should probably get out of here. Yeah. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you to Richter. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. I feel like I should apologize to someone. I don't remember who or what.

Craig's the P. Are we apologizing to Abby for besmirching? He should apologize to the woman who broke the poll sitting record that he's besmirching. I don't. I disagree. I'm with Craig on this one. But what if they all are platforms? You're just diminishing her accomplishments.

They didn't all have platforms. It's a misrepresentation of what she did. Austin. Austin sent a picture of Sheprek Kelly. It's like a small, tiny, like maybe 12 by 12 full square platform. Oh, yeah, I assume. You probably hated everyone in his life. Please email us at Ringer Fantasy Football atcom.

If you can get us in touch. This is way more impressive. This qualifies his poll sitting to me. He's on like a bicycle seat. Please DM us on Instagram if you need Craig's Piss at Ringer Fantasy Football on Instagram. Only if your parents are testing you. Nothing that could get me legally in trouble. That's why the ticker is there.

That's why Richter added the ticker. It's only if your parents don't want you having a good time. Only for marijuana. Nothing else. Nothing more, you know. Yeah. Anyway. Thank you, Lord.

Lord. Thank you. System of a down. Sure. Wake up. Oh, I know that one. Yeah. Not a ban.

It was for me, but I'm familiar. Okay. That's all I got to say about that. How'd you think of them? Toxicity. I was thinking about your golden piss I don't know just kind of one thing led to another

okay Hyvitz did any thoughts and system of it down I don't know anything about them I just knew that that sound the song you just did can you do it again wake up I don't know the words so I'm just going to say like I know the beginner I don't know the word yeah I wanted to

it's a pretty good song I actually really like that song toxicity yeah then they have another big one chop suey yes that's a good one don't know that at least off the deal Wait, is the song I was singing, toxicity or chop suey? I don't actually know. I don't know the name is the song.

I might have got it. Should I briefly play it? It's been, you get it with two seconds. Ready? We're already getting to get sued for one thing. Toxicity. Here's toxicity. Here's toxicity.

Yeah, that's it. Okay. All right. Also, for everyone listening, who's made it this far, my God, we're going to try to do soon, maybe next week. We're going to try to do the one second songs. Thank you everyone emailed us or in your fantasy football at e-mail. com for the songs you can recognize in literally one second.

I saw them. Thank you for your patience. Someone said, wake up is chapsui, which is the opposite of what I just thought. Someone in the comments. Okay. But I don't know. Whatever. Obviously, I don't know.

Sorry, I haven't said I interrupted you. What you're saying? I don't remember. What's the score of the Knicks' Celtics game? Are they winning? If they're winning, I'm going to end the show. The Knicks are getting destroyed. Fuck, no.

What's the score? They're down like 25 to the Celtics at the end of the third. Are you shitting me? It's 113 to 87. 113 to 87. What's the, what is Carl Anthony Towns doing? What's Brunson doing? Carl Flee Towns...

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