The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Best Fantasy Buy-Lows. Plus, CR Hates QBs.

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

The guys are joined by The Ringer’s Chris Ryan to check in on the Eagles two weeks into the season as well as rant about the state of NFL quarterbacks across the league right now (1:59). Next, POWER HOUR! They discuss the most appealing fantasy players to trade for before Week 3, including C.J. Stroud’s BFF, someone who is better than Tom Brady, DA BEARS, Courtland Sutton (begrudgingly), and much more (30:17). Plus, Fantasy Court and emails (60:44)! Amari Cooper passes the blurb test (34:04) C.J. Stroud’s BFF (37:02) Don’t let the baggy sleeves distract you, Garrett Wilson is still him (39:21) The entire Bears WR room (41:41) Chris Olave has the third best A.S.S (we promise, it’s a real stat) (43:51) Spoiler alert: Mark Andrews is still good (46:17) Tom Brady is the GOAT, but [redacted] is better (50:00) It’s not too late to buy into a piece of the Bills offense (52:57) Jared Goff has too many offensive weapons in his arsenal not to bounce back (54:58) Lightning round: Zack Moss, Diontae Johnson, Courtland Sutton, and Joshua Palmer (57:57) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Guest: Chris Ryan Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chris, coming to us during Emmy season. How you feeling, baby? Self-invite, baby. I love it. Oh, my God. So today is power hour, and we're going to power-rank something every Wednesdays. We're power-ranking our biggest bylaws after two weeks. Chris, that's why you're here, right? You desperately wanted to tell us about Chris Olave and

all the opportunity left in the Saints' offense, right? I love you guys and listen religiously. My fantasy season's already over. Oh, why? What else? What happened? Let's just say we bet a little big on the rookie wide receiver class. And even though Marvin Harrison came through, it's just,

I just don't understand how to play fantasy football. I get really excited around the draft. I draft guys that I think are cool and that I like and then I wind up losing almost every game. I had a really good season last year, honestly, but just the injury bug caught me. And this year, I think I'm just bailing early. But whatever, you know, we've got our eyes on the future.

Yeah, the sad truth of fantasy football is you just got to draft like Devante Adams and Mike Evans every year and you'll win. I know. That's not what I did. It's like, Roma Dunsey is awesome. Oh, my turner. Chris, so you slacked us this week and you said, I want to come on the show.

I have such an epic fucking rant that you want to get off your chest. And I want to get to your rant. But before that, I'm sorry, Monday Day football. Eagles blew the game against the Atlanta Falcons. You're an Eagles fan. I just let it all out.

What are the vibes like 24 hours later? I mean, they're bad. They're pretty bad. I don't know if you guys feel this for your teams, but football has now become such a detailed area of study where, like, once a game is over even during the game, there's just so much minute breakdown of like, oh, look at this decision-making process,

or look at this, like it touches the tips of Sequin's fingers and, you know, it needed to do this. And here are the 35 different game theory ways Nick Siriani could have played that last drive. And I just want to kind of go back to like 1989, Chris, where it's like, we lost onto the next week.

I don't know if I want to see all this. Like, I don't know if I want to get Jalen Carter was late for dinner. And that's why he didn't start the first series. I don't want Josh sweat negging Vic Fangio in week two. And like Nick Siriani not addressing the team. Like I know too much. I see too much.

And I want to go back to like black and white days of like, they played, they lost, and now I wait seven days for it to happen. again. You read about it in the newspaper. Ignorance is bliss. You miss the days when the score wasn't even on the screen. You just had to wait for the announcer to tell you.

Exactly. What was that headline? Like, someone wrote the call. Like, we all know way too much about each other's lives down. Oh, yeah. And it's just bad for your football team. It's that, but it's Vic Fangio. That's how like, so my biggest takeaway from the game other than that was just like an absolute

like molar rom show you your beating heart from Temple of Doom night for me was that I realize that deep down inside, my two dads are Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson. And I would much rather lose by 28 blitzing my brains out all game long than this bend-dome break shit, which is now on DC number four. If you call Matt Patricia a defensive coordinator, he was like a special assistant defensive side or whatever. But this is obviously like how they institutionally have decided to play. I'm in front of the Eagles. And I just really,

can't handle watching one-legged Kirk Cousins just have all the time in the world to carve the Eagles up in a two-minute drill. It was absolutely sickening. I can't decide what's worse. I mean, Sequin Barclay, dropping that ball, you're almost like, we wouldn't even be in the game

if it wasn't for Sequine and Barclay. Like, he was obviously the best player on the field last night. The idea that, like, Kirk Cousins has way too much time left is, like, an astonishing thing to say in 2024. and think about all the things that we have said this year.

And Kirk Cousins, you can't give him that much clock. That can't be what we're doing. You can't give him like three, four, five seconds to sit back there and just like go through five different progressions. Help me out. He can't move. He can't move. Just bring someone.

I don't think people, I don't think people were saying, oh, this is too much time for Kirk until after the game. The Eagles now provided Kirk with that new persona. But when they, when cousins got the ball back, I was kind of like. Like, this is this idiotic thing that happens where, like, everybody's, like, super advanced PhD playbooks go out the window. And Matt Ryan and Peyton and Eli were talking about last night. There's just like, you go back down to, like, base playground football.

And all of those guys can play base playground football. And somehow, like, we just just, the Eagles decided to just like, we're just going to get into this kind of like soft, touchy, feely pre-vent. And he carved this up. It was like, I was like, I'm like, it's so easy. It was like a butcher out there. And this kind of does link to my quarterbacker's rant. I don't know when you guys want to get to this.

Let's do it. Let's do it right now. Hyphus, you can gloat, man, because I know, I know you've taken some L's. Yeah, Hyvitz, you're killing it right now.

You're sky high. Things are so great. Things are going great for Danny. He had a cigarette after the game. What should I be gloating about Chris, that my entire family wants the giants to acquire Bryce Young? Or like, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't know what there is to gloat about. Like, I'm buying the dip, man. I get it. Exactly. Yeah, it's just Bogo on the first pick of the draft. No, I mean, I'm not going to lie. It almost, I don't like, it is funny because you're right.

There are like a thousand permutations of all these reasons the Eagles lost. And people, yeah, going game through, it's better to be down three than, or be up three than six. But I'm like, all right, well, if he'd just, single I just caught the ball, like the Eagles would have won't win the game and no one would ever have thought about this, that Kirk Cousins, like no one would be up on Kirk Cousins anymore. Was that Siriani quote real that he said on that play that the actual design was if nobody was wide open, Jalen Hurts should take a sack?

Yeah, I think that has been. taken out of context to me and like Nick was throwing Jalen under the bus, but I think his point was like, but Sequin was in fact wide open. Okay, so that was the right. I was going to say he put it in his hands. Well, Chris, actually, I'm glad that you brought this up though, because we have a long running

mystery here. D.K. is like the lead detective on the case of what does Nick Sirioni do for the Eagles? I would like to add a chapter to your book, Danny Kelly. Yeah, yeah. What do you got? The report that he didn't talk after the game. Didn't address the locker room.

Bailen Hertz spoke. It's a player-led locker room. Okay? It's a player-led locker room. Danny, if I told you that I don't think Nick Siriani's headphones go anywhere, like,

I think... What are the chances that he is in communication with Kellan Moore and Vicangio? I love that. Like, I think that goes to AirPods, like Big Don's AirPods is where I think he's... This is like the Ocean's 11,

where you build the fake vault. Yeah, they're simulating a game for him. It's actually just a recording of Kellyn Moore talking to him. Like how cats think they're people. Yeah. And it sucks, man, because, you know, like at the end of the game or what should have been the end of the game when CJ Gardner Johnson stuffed that run.

Mm-hmm. And Siri, I, like, tore off down the sideline to go, like, celebrate with him. I was kind of like, this was so cool two years ago. And now it's kind of like Rob Lo and San Elmo's fire. Like, oh, hey, man, you're celebrating with us. That's cool. Like, you know what I mean? It was just like a little, little cringe.

But I don't, I don't, I, the vibes aren't good. The vibes aren't good. It's funny because they should have won. Oh, yeah. That's true. I mean, I hadn't thought about that. That's, I'm glad you, like, gave me that perspective. My whole thesis that Nick Siriani doesn't matter kind of hinges on them winning and they

should have won and Seekone and Barclay should have caught that ball and things probably would still be fine. And Seriani would probably like be in his office, by himself, like, not really doing anything. bopping around and dropping into meetings here and there to say hi to everybody. But yeah, the loss definitely kind of hurts my thesis that Siriani doesn't matter. Hey, while we're talking, just while we're sharing, let me ask you guys this. And this is something I think, I don't know that I believe it. But are we sure that Vig Fangio is actually a good DC or does he just look like a guy who should be a good DC?

I mean, shout out Ben Solac, who had the good theory that all defensive coordinators have to either be old or jacked. I'm just wondering because like, it's just like, oh, Fangio, painting a masterpiece again. And I'm like, I think that I say that because it's like he looks like he, it's like you see a guy and he's like, oh, that guy looks like he should be in the strokes. I bet he's in the strokes. It's like Vic Fangio looks like a defensive coordinator. So I imagine he's really good. So what's what's Vic Fangio's like take out masterpiece defense that he has had? Is there a Bears defense?

Is there like a Broncos defense? Yeah. So he's the schematic. dad basically of just all the defenses of Jonathan Gannon. Yeah, that just made football not fun. Everything that hasn't, everything that's turned football into being awful

and not as fun and how Patrick Mahomes went from the coolest quarterback I've ever seen in my life that would chuck 70-yard bombs to Tyree Kill. And now Patrick Mahomes is the lowest depth of target in the entire NFL. That's Dick Vanjio. But the thing, what he did was that Rams, basically when the Rams got bodied by the Patriots

in the Super Bowl like five years ago, that started with like some random Bears defense that Vic Fangio had against the Patriots like a Monday Night Football. And then that has been the next five years of football has been that one game. So he kind of, he's basically like a one man money ball without any of the cool parts. He just ruined everything. And now the game has been neutered and there's no explosive place. And touchdowns and passing yards are the lowest they've been in years.

But he's Ben Don't Break. To your point about being done with Ben Don't Brink, he is the embodiment of it. I mean, do you tell me Danny Hyfitz, like, like you went through the Wink Martindale experience. It's like, what I prefer that? Do you, did you prefer, like, bring the house basically all the time? 1,000 percent. Yeah. It is such a way to live life.

I know, I know. It's like, you want to live with Engage 8. Honestly, like, yeah, I totally agree. It's like, I like seeing your cornerbacks come, like, off the edge with just, like, nobody blocked and you just ran the quarterback. And, yeah, it's, it's, it's, there's something soul-sucking about, like, last night, watching Bejohn Robinson, just clip Nolan Smith, knock his ass to the ground. and then just like the Falcons run like nine times

and get all the way to the red zone. It just, it's all. Howie season's on notice, by the way. Yeah. Waiting for the, I know Jalen Carter is probably going to be amazing. He is amazing. But let's just keep an eye on these Georgia guys

who are supposed to save the world. How about that? Well, yeah, keep an eye on them, all the Georgia guys. I want to get to this rant. You slacked us that you had an epic rant about quarterbacks. and some real, you know, back in my day shit.

And so please, like Chris Ryan, the floor is yours. I want to make sure that I come across right here because I think that the more I've thought about it, the more I'm like, I don't think I'm trying to like say what I need to get back to is like Coy Detmer, get, you know, getting starts. You know, like this isn't like a nostalgia thing. I just get the feeling like what we're seeing in the NFL

with some of these rookie quarterbacks is the league itself is now over leveraged on these guys. And especially first round picks where you have this intense need from the fan base and probably internally in the organization to play these guys way too early. And then basically it's boom or bust. And it sort of reminds me a little bit of what happened with the freeze and threes, morey ball stuff and basketball, where someone had a good idea. They exploited it. And when everybody started doing it, you were like, I get it. And I know that there's like a new, like a statistical backing for this idea. But it kind of just

looks bad. And maybe we're looking too much for the new CJ Stroud and we should focus more on developing like Dorian Thompson's. Like we need more guys who can like back up Jordan Love when he gets hurt and like be effective starters for eight games while the other kid learns the playbook and learns how to read defenses

a little bit. And it's it's kind of chilling right now because like watching Jalen Hertz out there. Like I like Jalen. But like if you, you guys listened to Kelsey on Rosillo last week. And Rissol asked him like, oh, so like, I know you were you calling out protections. Like, what was that? And it was like, you know, Jason Kelsey was this dude's brain, it seems like. I mean, and so it's like watching Jaylen Hertz is almost in like a like a junior year

college level of like learning what he's supposed to be doing out there. You can see him bailing out after a couple of reads like just like that was what the Falcons were doing. They were just like you got to as soon as we flush this guy out, he does not what he's doing. So I think that what happened is just like watching Red Zone specifically the 1 PM Games Eastern on Sunday.

I was like, this is shit. Watching all of these guys is a bad product because it's one thing if it's like, oh, Caleb, number one pick and they're going to try it out and I'm sure it's going to click. It's another thing when it's like

Knicks and Jaden and all these guys. And then you're like, I'm kind of like this is infecting the entire product now where it's like these dudes who are playing. air raid five months ago are now having to learn Sean Peyton's playbook

and Bo Nix's brain is coming out of his ears while he's like in the huddle. Am I reading this? Are you guys seeing this too? Yeah, we talked about this on the show last week or earlier this week. Basically, the analogy I want to use here is like if you had to learn

a new language in a week and then go take a test in that language. You know what I mean? It's like you're going to absolutely bomb that test like nine out of ten times. And I think we're seeing a lot of these young quarterbacks come in and there's just so many things to do. So many things you have to know, very, very intricate details of all the blitzes, how to change plays, like, you know, side adjustments for everything. And it's a very, very complex system. And then like,

you just see them absolutely flounder. And so I think like the competitive advantage of having a quarterback on his rookie contract, that's a real thing. Yeah. So many teams are chasing the dragon of like, you know, like the Brock Purdy or Russell Wilson like model where they just find these diamonds in the rough and they can like turn them into very good quarterbacks in their system and all that. It's just very, very hard to do that. And we've seen the in the way that the salary cap is structure too. We've seen the middle class of quarterback basically just go away. There's there's a very few guys. And I think like a couple good examples of why experience matters is like look at what Sam Darnold's doing. Look at what Baker Mayfield's doing. Look at what Gino Smith is doing right now. You know, these guys are sort of reclamation projects, but they've... They hung on. They've been in NFL locker rooms as backups, and they know how these systems work. They know how to speak the language.

They're fluent in the language. And it just matters so much. And I mean, the proof is in the pudding. You alluded to it, but, like, offense is down dramatically this year. And it's down dramatically from last year, which was also a really bad year for offense. And so, you know, the NFL offenses are just trending way, way down. field goals are up, like, at all time levels. Like, the NFL is kicking more field goals than ever.

Like, who wants that? Chris, we got to get you on a pod with Brady. This has been Brady's narrative all summer. Brady's, yeah, he hates this. I mean, it's also like, like, this is also, we're probably going to need to start adjusting our expectations for NFL seasons that the first four games are preseason. Yep.

Which is actually why I'm not freaking out about the Eagles that hard is, like, nobody looks that good, right? Like, I don't, and like, call me after the same. game when we get like smoked by 42 and like i you clink kubiak is you know going to like work for nassau but like it doesn't seem like anybody has their shit together yet and part of that must be because like they're letting guys play like two series and then they don't really they don't they're just not up to speed once the season starts you know it's it's funny that that the saints and derrick car are thriving now that they have a good offensive coordinator and derrick car is a guy who's been in a

league a while he knows how to read defenses re coverages and like make a throw that was brady's whole thing is He's just like college. It starts at the college level. They're not developing these guys anymore. And so these guys come into the pros after, you know, having been in offenses that have been dumbed down for them. So then the offensive coordinators in the NFL are dumbing down these offenses for them. And we're forcing these rookies to play early in these dumb down offenses.

And then you're just getting a terrible product. We don't develop quarterbacks anymore. We're not developing original movies anymore. I mean, okay, so let me ask you guys a little bit of a self-reflective question is, Do you think that this is also a consequence of the rise of like draftology, where the more and more stuff that we're doing about the NFL draft and guys get really, I mean, like, obviously it's more, it's more interesting to be excited about quarterbacks than it is offensive linemen.

But like anecdotally in my head, I remember the NFL draft being like eight offensive linemen to get drafted in the first round and then like maybe a running back or it just feels like this is actually almost like a knock on effect because we're just like, yes. You just, we're going to do it next year. We're going to take Cam Ward and Quinn Ewers and all of these guys. I don't have Cam Ward's even eligible. But like you're going to, Quinn Ewers is going to get drafted early in the first round.

Like we're going to have another five quarterbacks going the first round, right? Well, we'll see. There are in his men. Yeah, they always get pushed up. But I don't think it's draftology. I think it's money ball. I think you know it though. I think that what it is, it's just the nerds are winning in every sport.

And the salary structure from, you know, you used to be in 2010, San Bradford got picked first. and he had all the leverage in the world and he had like the biggest contract for any in the league and he had never played it down. They're like, all right,

we're not going to do that anymore on this new CBA for less 15 years. Now it's just, oh, well, you can have a starting quarterback that on a free market would probably be like Patrick Mahomes is probably worth $100 million a year

and you could pay Brock. Brock Purdy is get, his entire rookie contract is worth like what Dak Prescott and Sean Watson get like per game. And so that once you get those guys in the rookie thing, so to your point, you incentivize,

oh, and we just play them, then we'll be good. And then to your point, in the pursuit of that, then all these teams end up throwing these guys out and there's no development anymore. And to your point, I think it's crazy because one of my favorite interviews I've done at the ringer randomly was with Matt Schaub, the former quarterback who's played to me,

the thing no one, everyone uses the term hard for quarterbacks to play. He's like, no one has any idea what you have to do before the ball snapped. He's like, a quarterback's to do 20 things every 40 seconds on that play clock, just to snap the ball, having nothing to do. with like situational awareness. Like there are 20 things you have to do. And these guys come in. There's less practice than ever.

But to your point, the incentives are so strong to get that rookie quarterback. You were right. This is happening in every sport. Basketball had the identity crisis with threes and layups where you got guys passing up

open layups to shoot threes. And the sport just looks weird to the point where people are criticizing Kevin Durant for taking mid-range jumpers. Baseball. The nerds won and it was never more, he was more efficient than ever. They'd have changed the rules

because Theo Epstein, when on Bill's show and said there were fewer triples in 20, which is the most exciting play in baseball. There were fewer triples than any season there had been since like 1914 with like Jimmy Fox. And so the exploiting the analytics like it's a video game has ruined it ruined baseball to the point where they changed. They got baseball to add a clock. I think basketball is going to have to add a clock with the eel ending because

if baseball can get rid of clock, they should put it one in the NBA. And then football too. I don't know what you do with the NFL, but the incentives to put quarterbacks out there. I agree. If we're incentivizing teams to just throw quarterbacks out, then, yeah, the product's way worse. And then couple that with the fact that defense is getting more complex and more difficult than ever. There's more DBs on the field now. Explosive plays are impossible.

Even if a guy has a good deep ball, no one's ever open to do it. They're forced to check down. All these disguised coverages, it's kind of like the perfect storm. Offensive lines are terrible these days. It's really hard to develop an offensive lineman coming out of college because of the way that the college game is played. all the best athletes are defensive linemen, not offensive linemen. There's a lot of really interesting variables that have kind of, there's a confluence of weird variables that have turned offense into crap.

And like, I think the NFL tried to help offense this off season by doing this kickoff rule. And it's kind of not worked whatsoever because now they just kick it out of the back of the end zone. Yeah. I saw like a bunch of Bears guys going nuts on Ryan Poles now because they're like, you, you got Caleb Williams, but then you couldn't help yourself and you had to go. get Keenan Allen and draft a dunze and pay DJ more and get DeAndre Swift. Not that that's like a huge investment or whatever, but it's like you just should have built

the line. Like you just should have spent like you could have gotten replacement level receivers with an offensive line that won't get this guy hurt and then worked yourself up from there. And it just feels like everybody's like, we got the guy. We want it quarterback. We're going to get the skill players and we got playmakers coming out of our ears. So we're just going to like and then we'll just. I mean, the Eagles go through this too.

They're just like, Jeff Stoughtland will fix this. Jeff Stoughton will fix like whatever offensive line. And it's like we held the offensive line held up pretty well last night. They can't stop blocking down like 15 yards down field. So yeah, I agree with you. There's something cut little wonky about it. I think it's early season jitters. And I think it's because I think so many NFL fans now are so literate

and so many different detailed advanced portions of the game that were just like, we're all going a little bit crazy probably. Yeah, I think you're right. And also just, I mean, offensive lines, weird, like offensive lines, my quarterback's better. I mean,

who's been great, Jared Goff between the best lines, like offensive line, like Jalen Hertz and the Eagles. And just coming back, just to wrap this all, not to wrap this up, but to kind of think,

no one ever talks about it this way. You know, in the last 30 years, the only quarterback drafted in the top 10 to win the Super Bowl are Archie Manning's kids and Patrick Holmes. It doesn't, Is that right?

Yes. Geez. Craig's doing the math. I know. Like, it can't be right. Arch Manning's grandson. He's getting close. Yeah.

Maybe he's the savior. I'm not counting guys who want it with a different team because I think that defeats the purpose. Like staff are going first to the Lions winning with the Rams defeats the purpose. Like guys who were drafted by the team and then like went like it's just the manning kids and my homes. But I think that's the point. It's just no one knows that to do this. But I do think we're going backward in a lot of ways. Who's the most annoying quarterback to watch play right now, Chris?

Who's pissing you off? the most. What offense? That's the thing, Craig, I actually would rather watch a little bit better than average version of Anthony Richardson every Sunday rather than Kirk Cousins. Like, I'm not saying, like, I'm the problem, man. Like, when I see Anthony Richardson on court, I drafted him. Like, I was just like, I want to be a part of this dream, man. Like, it's, it's, like, I love what there's, it's, it's they look fucking awesome, man. Like, I, I love it. But, like, when you get down to brass tax and you watch cousins last night

who kind of, I guess he sucked. I guess he was fine. I guess he did what he had to do. And then when it mattered, he was like, I know exactly what to do. I know exactly how to run

a two minute offense on these guys because I'm 36 and I've been on three different teams and I've done this a hundred times in my life. And I just know how to do it. And so like the most, none of these guys, I mean, I found Knicks to be,

quite challenging to watch. Like, and I think probably also because Sean Payton was like, this is the guy. And I'm like, you're telling me Stidham couldn't be better than that.

Really? Stidham could definitely be better than that because he knows the play calls, you know, like he's been there for a lot. So what's the problem with playing Stidham for five games? Like,

what is the big deal? Don't get me started to Sean Pate. I'll say this. I'll give it a little, also if anyone's listening right now and just kind of like, what are we talking about? Just a little context that I should have given up top.

Steve Powell's, Zolo at 33rd team tweeted this out. There's been a 40% drop in touchdown passes in the first two weeks of this season compared to even just three years ago from like 110 to 66 in the first two weeks. Passing yards per game through two weeks is the lowest in the 21st century. And then some of this is schematic, right? Russian yards, most rushing yards per game through two weeks since 2000. And a lot of this is schematic.

And to that point, I will say this just to button this all up. There are ebbs and flows. And I think a lot of what's happening right now is you have, again, basically, explosive passing was so good. The chiefs, the bills, all these teams were so good, chucking it downfield that the Vic Vanjoues of the world won and we're like, we're going to make this sport not fun.

You know what you're going to have to do? Dink and Dunk and Dink and Dunk down the field. And guess what? Now we have this quarterback development problem where now it wasn't really a problem before, but now it is because, damn, we didn't teach any of these kids to dink and dunk. It was never hard for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning

or Drew Brees or Philip Rivers, who all sat except for Peyton Manning for years, plural, Aaron Rogers, to dink and dunk. They could all execute an offense rhythm-based. The Kyler-Murries and all these guys who came into the league and just started doing vibes, running around, scrambling, Jaden Daniels, and Eddie Richardson, those aren't guys that ever at any level of football had to dink and dunk. And I do think everything comes around.

Teams are going to be incentivized to teach these kids to run more developed, nuanced, timing-based offenses because that's what's going to work. And then it'll all come back around. That's right, man. Bring back Bill Walshball, dude. yak, just timing routes. That's like Bo Nix in theory, but he just can't do it, I don't think. Also, there's nobody on Denver who can run after catching the ball.

It's like the most bizarre offense that it's designed to like have screens and checkdowns and everybody's like 6-3 and runs a 4-8 on the boat. Peyton has this weird obsession with huge receivers right now. I can't wait for Sean Payton to be like, look, this team was a disaster when I took over and someone whisper in his ear like Veeb like, you took over last year. He took a second year, man. Can't say that. Boenick's first quarterback to lead his team in rushing

in his first two career starts in ever. Do you guys think that there is a chance that Michael Panix will wind up being the best quarterback from this class because he got a year to sit behind Cresden's? Yes, I do. What do you think, D.K.? I mean, there's definitely a chance, yeah. He'll also be 28, I know, but like, it'll just be like... Yeah, but at this point, like, does that really matter?

It's like, find a quarterback who can run an offense. Like, who cares how old he is at this point? Yeah, he has a ton of experience, played five years plus in college, like, you know, through a ton of passes. Speaks the language, like I said before. I mean, I still am really high on Caleb Williams, so like that's where I hesitate. But, you know, Caleb Williams could just like get completely destroyed, like, you know, with his confidence, everything playing behind that offense line. They pressured him on almost every dropback. So that's scary.

I appreciate you guys letting me come in and get this off my chest. And I also, as high fits, you were classy today. You were good. I'm not classic. I'm just going inside. I have no fire left. Sequin losing the game for the Eagles is like, how did Hyphins like hold that in?

I just, I, the Giants have made, I just. The funny thing is that that probably saved Joe Shane's job. Yeah, honestly, honestly,

that's what you're all. Your day. If you would have won that game, yeah. The Giants will not hire Bill Belichick now. Merrill would have just been like you, you don't even come to work tomorrow. It just turns off his key card.

Belichick would have left the band and casted. Just like, hold on, guys. I'm getting a call. It's just like showed up the next day. Oh, my God. All right, Chris, thank you for coming out. Thank you guys for having me. Sorry, your team sucks.

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Gambling problem, call 1-800 gambler or visit RG-Help.com. We're going to get into power hour here. And again, power hour every Tuesday. Wednesdays we're going to put all these shows up. But on Tuesdays, we're live on the ring around NFL YouTube, baby. And we're doing this live every Tuesday. all platforms available Wednesday. And we're going to power rank something.

This week we're going to power rank our by lows. And again, buy low trade targets. I think that after three weeks is really when people start really able to trade. But I think after two weeks it's doable. And I want to go into the five Bs of buying low here because you know what? It'd be like, oh, it's a by low target because this guy had a bet. No, there's an art to it.

And it's a dark art. And we're just going to give a little crash course. Rule number one, bad, five Bs like dodge ball. Five, like the first beat bad teams. you go with the oh and two teams you can't go to some two and oh and oh no team and ask for a trade no one wants to change anything when it's two and one who needs to shake it up yeah yeah oh and two exactly you need him to shake it up two the warm buffett rule be bold when everyone's whenever else is fearful people are dumb panicky animals and you have to exploit this wow it's true i actually got there from men in black i thought it was super profound i saw it when i was like nine is that a real line from the movie yeah tommy lee jones will smith like i can't believe like aliens are really real. And he's like, oh, he's like, we should tell everyone. Tommy Lee Jones is like, no. And we'll just like, people are smart. They can handle it. Tommy Lee Jones is like a person's smart. People are dumb, panicky animals. I was nine years old. I'm like, damn, you're right, Tommy

Lee Jones. Rule three is to buy low. You have to buy low. It has to be kind of gross. I feel like you like you. Like, you can't spell value without ew. Wow. Okay. All right. No, is that too much. Is that no? It didn't work. This is like, I feel like I'm getting sold something. I know. It's like a timeshare. Tell me this pen. Okay. Right, fine.

I'll skip all the other ones. Fine. The most important one, though, is the blurb rule, which is that it's 100 times easier to make a trade if the blurb of the guy you want is pessimistic. Negative. That is, that's the most true thing that we've ever discovered on the show is the blurb rules all. Basically, everything on the fantasy platform is still so important. You know, right after drafts, people just immediately will go to, like, the current projections. Oh, Yahoo says, I'm going to be nine and four.

I had a good draft. I can't tell you how many texts I get of people who use our guide. And they're like, what the hell? Yahoo says I'm going to be three and 11. And I'm like, look, man, that has nothing to do with anything. But people love it. People love projections. People love blurbs.

It's still incredibly important. Draft grade. It's all they care about. And it influences me too. I will say, like, if I want to start J.K. Dobbins over Naji Harris one week, and Najee Harris is projected two more points than J.K. Dobbin, it is still hard in my brain. Or like the defense he's facing is, like, just green. And you're like, oh my God.

Green. I love Green. Do you guys ever do this where you wait to like actually set your, what you're actually going to put as a lineup to late in the, in the week? Because one guy has maybe a lower projection and you want to intimidate your opponent. Yeah, absolutely. You're like,

Yeah, I'm projected for 150. But if I put this other guy in who I'm actually going to start, it's like 135. It sounds good. I've been inserting T. Higgins into my starting lineup every week because his projection remains. It's still like 12 points every week. definitely not going to play. I just like to feel it, you know?

Intimination factor. Exactly. Live it on the edge. All right. So we're going to go into our best bylaws. And again, if you think some of these are whack, it's because, yeah, else they wouldn't be discounted.

They're on the rack for a reason. All right. And again, for those who don't know the way this works, Deacon Craig sent me their favorite under their favorite bylaws for this week. I ranked them. So if you don't like the order of these, then just blame me. And we're going to do this power hour style.

So every two minutes, you're going to hear this song. song. Great song. Bliss. Just Blistle song. All right, let's get into it. Number one, favorite by low after two weeks. Wow.

Craig, you sent me. Amarie Cooper, receiver for the Cleveland Browns. This guy has been the picture of consistency forever in fantasy. He's been the wide receiver 17, each of the last two years. Right now he's the wide receiver 91. And look, I'm not exactly saying that I'm bullish on like Deshawn Watson as a quarterback or anything like that. I'm just saying there's an inefficiency right now.

He leads the team in targets. He's been incredibly unlucky. He basically missed out on three plays in the first two weeks by like an inch. And his whole season would look completely different. There was a 40-yard touchdown that like barely missed his outstretched hands against Dallas last week. He's 13th in the NFL in targets. They've played two good defenses. They played Dallas.

They played the Jags. The next four weeks, Giants, commanders, Raiders, Eagles. I think this is a no-brainer. And he's honestly a really boring player that I don't think a lot of guys, whoever hasn't been your league, I don't think anyone feels a ton of attachment to Amari Cooper. I was going to say, I feel like this is maybe the player that most on this list where people are trying to like cut bait and get out of it as soon as they can.

He's right now he's the wide receiver four on his own team. He's actually behind David Bell, who only played in one game and went on IR. So yeah, I think this is a good one. He has, in terms of first read target rate, according to fantasy points, he's tops on the team by far. Like, he's still the number one guy on this offense. he's just gotten really, really unlucky so far. Yeah, Mar Cooper has fewer fantasy points than Britain Covey.

A guy, what a game for Britain. I even loved Joe Buck being like, Britain, Kobe is having the game of his life. I didn't know he was on this team. No, but Craig, you're totally right because Amar Cooper should have had a huge touchdown versus the Cowboys and everyone would have been like a Marry Cooper revenge game. And instead, like, you can just look at, click on the little box.

It says 2.6, 2.6. And the blurb test, I know we're joking, but we're not really joking. Like the blurb is good. No one's dealing him, but the blurb test for Mori Cooper is on Yahoo. Cooper has amassed only five receptions for 26 total yards. That inefficiency will make him difficult to trust in the immediate future. Boom. You click that.

You're like, damn, I got to trade this guy away. Yeah. It's not the sexiest acquisition or investment, but it'll pay off. This is not Nvidia. It's like a textiles company or something. It'll pay off. Textiles. Not sexy.

They make tires. Yeah. Yeah. That's the Scott Galloway investment rule. He's like that professor at NYU and he's like, if someone pitches me a company and it's like, cool, I'm out. I want to everyone can ride scooters everywhere. I'm out.

Didn't like Warren Buffett, like, buy a bunch of shares of like, what's the biggest bubble gum company? It's like Wrigley? Riggly? Yeah, he was just like, what's something that's going to be around forever that's really boring? People are not going to stop chewing wriggly gum. And there's a field name.

back from. Look that was Coca-Cola, too. Anyway. All right. Let's go to the next one here. So number two, our second favorite by-low after two weeks. Tank Dell, receiver for the Texans. D.K., you sent me this one.

I think, you know, people who have Tankdell on their roster could be freaking out a little bit right now. Obviously, Nico Collins is looking absolutely incredible. And he is, and he's not going to, like, go away. And, you know, Diggs had two touchdowns in week one. And Tank Dell has just kind of been, like, the third wheel on this offense so far. But if you look at the underlying metrics in terms of how they're utilizing him, the route rates and the number of routes that they're running is all pretty even so far. And Nico Diggs and Tankdale, they're running a ton of plays.

Basically, on plays where they pass, Tank is running the same amount of routes as the other guys. I think it's going to even out as we go along. If you look at PFF's expected fantasy points, tank is only just slightly behind Nico Collins right now. Nico Collins is averaging 13 points per game in expected fantasy points. Tank is averaging 11. So, you know, I think it's going to even out. He had one play in this last game where he missed what would have been a really big play.

Just basically volleyball set it off his hands. Hit him on the back of the hands. Not great. I don't know what happened there. Maybe he lost it in like one of the lights or something like that. But, you know, that's not typical of him. That was how I would have reacted if I was in the game. And I was in that exact.

That was like exactly. I could have done exactly what he did. Yeah. I panicked. But anyways, he's a really good player. He's like, C.J. Stroud's best friend. they're going to continue to get him involved. He's going to have bigger games.

I think right now he had like one point. Now is the perfect time to go out and buy him. If you need a wide receiver two on your team, I think you could probably get him for like a pretty mediocre running back at this point. Like people are probably looking to get out of this. Yeah, like, it's true though. Like you need players who the person who drafted them is like, oh my God, I think I really regret drafting this person.

Yeah, they get him three yards in Sunday football. Yeah, some people might be afraid to even put him in their starting lineup at this point. So I think he's the perfect bylaw. I'm not saying he's going to end up being the top scoring receiver on their team. I think that Nico Collins would probably end up being that guy, but he's still going to, I would bet he still will average double digit points into half pvr and PPR and PPR. I always find it funny when the teams use the skinniest guy on their team as like the running,

like the running back fill in or like the end around guy. I'm like, man, tank dollars came off a broken leg and he weighs 160 pounds and he's getting like more rushes than he has targets. Very interesting. All right. Next up here we have Garrett Wilson receiver for the Jets. DK, it's also one of yours. Same kind of deal.

basically his expected points are much higher than his actual points so far. The utilization is still there. He's still, you know, by far the first read target for for Aaron Rogers, like 35% one. It's top 10 in the NFL right now in terms of first read target rate. So he is the guy in their offense. He's going to continue to be. And, you know, I think Aaron Rogers is just shaking off the rest a little bit. This offense is going to get going. And Garrett Wilson is going to score more touchdowns and and be much more productive than he was last year. It's just been a slow start. I still believe in the talent. Also, Also, by the way, I think the Jets have a pretty easy schedule going forward. I saw this from sharp football analysis. They have the eighth easy. Sorry, they came into the season with the fourth easiest schedule. So things are going to get easier for this team. And Aaron Rogers is going to look a lot better. I think just bet on talent with Garrett Wilson.

Do you think it's going to be hard for people to give him up? I feel like you would have to give up a lot to acquire him because I think people are still holding out hope. Yeah, I think that's definitely true. He is the wide receiver 37 through two weeks. You would have to get someone who's really panicking to get like, good value. But I think honestly, like, I feel strongly enough about Garrett Wilson. I'm fine giving up a really good player for him. Would you give up like Kyron Williams for Garrett Wilson if

you had extra running backs? Yeah. I mean, if I had extra running backs, that might be something I do, especially with the decimation we've seen from the Rams offensively. Like, they could really struggle to to find efficiency on the ground. So yeah, that's a good example of, I think I probably would make that trade. You still see him as like top 10. Yeah. At the position. Yeah. It's tough too. He's one of the only elite receivers who's and I know he hasn't been elite so far that isn't or that is playing like all these Tyree Kill just lost Tua and then you have

Cidi Land selfie and other than that it's like Cooper Cup just went down Pook is down Debo AJ Brown so it's like that's the word thing with Garrett Wilson where it's like how many of these guys are still playing would you trade Tyreek for Garrett Wilson I don't think I could go that far No I would keep Tyreek

I don't know two Tua and I are now I know like he might not even play I think I I think I would do that Is that crazy? I don't know honestly that's tough

AJ Brown Would you trade AJ Brown How long is he gonna be out? I actually would rather trade for AJ Brown than trade him away I'd rather get someone Who's just afraid

And just dumb panicky animals Number four here we have Just the Bears We have DJ Moore, Keenan Allen Romadunes A And even throw Caleb Williams In here, DK

I don't know if you wanted All the Bears But you sent me DJ Moore And I was like I just think all the Bears Are a Bail I mean I think Yeah

at this point, everybody on the bear's offense is a by-low because it is really, it looks awful. It looks really, really terrible, especially relative to, I think, expectations coming to the season. They couldn't protect Caleb Williams in that game on Monday night football. It was just like pressure after pressure. He was just running for his life. But I think I saw enough flashes from Caleb Williams to still be pretty optimistic about this.

In particular, DJ Moore is the guy I would want to trade for. 28% target rate through two games. he is the primary receiver in this offense, especially considering I think they're going to continue to get him manufactured touches in this offense, get the ball that quickly. Williams actually, one of the big things coming into the year was Williams holds onto the ball.

That was a narrative. Williams holds onto the ball too long, but he's actually getting rid of the ball pretty quickly. I mean, he's forced to in a lot of these situations because the pressure just arrives almost immediately, but he's doing a good job of getting rid of the football. He's not trying to run around too much back there. And DJ more often than not is kind of the guy

that gets those targets, gets those screen passes, swing passes, things like that. I think Caleb Williams will acclimate to the NFL. He's not going to throw zero touchdowns this year. Like it's going to get better. And the schedule for the bears softens up a lot. Colts, Rams, Panthers, Jags, commanders, and Cardinals are the next six games. So, you know, I think now is the time to, if you still believe in Caleb Williams, which I do, now is the time to invest in the Bears because it's not, this is the lowest they're going to look all year.

Yeah, it's a great by-low. I think a lot of people are probably panicking about the bears much more so than like Garrett Wilson on the Jets. I think that would be harder to convince somebody of. But right now it's like, man, Caleb looks terrible. Everybody in the team, you know, Keenan Allen's hurt and Roma Dunezay's banged up, not doing a lot. D.G. Moore hasn't produced at all. I think there's a lot of people who might just be like I would like off this ride. Yeah.

I'm not going to bet on Caleb Williams. I actually might be out. So I think this is a great one. Ooh. Good timing. Yeah, that was clean. Clean, baby. Next up.

Craig, you had as a by-low, Chris Olavay receiver for the Saints. Similarly, look, I don't think this one takes a ton of explaining or convincing the Saints are like the best offense in the league right now. Is it because they have the fourth most points through four, two weeks, and I don't even know how long. I believe it's ever. Literally ever, yeah. Ever. What's funny about that is they have the fourth most points through two weeks ever, and they have the least amount of pass attempts in the league. They've thrown the ball 40 times in two games.

Derrick Carr had 11 completions last week, and they scored four. 44 points. They're running the ball like crazy. They're second in rushing EPA and success rate. And, you know, look, Olave is good. We know he's good. He's proven. He was tackled at the one yard line last week.

Again, this one will also be difficult because the Saints are really good right now. I think most people with Olavee are not going to be frustrated. You would have to probably spend a lot to get this guy. But that's usually how trades work. You usually got to give up something you want to get something you want. And one of these days, the Saints are not going to be up 30 in the second half, and they're going to have to throw the ball a little bit more. and this offense is actually creating space

and getting guys open. So yeah, again, not incredibly, this is not a hot take, but I think Olave still makes sense if you can get them. I'm a little afraid that Olave is my biggest miss of the season because I think that if you look at what's going on

with whatever happens with Tyreek and Skylar Thompson, AJ Brown, Debo, Cooper Cup, all these injuries we've been talking about. I kind of think there's a chance that Chris Olave ends up as the top five receiver this season may be higher.

And maybe that's an overreaction to what's going on New Orleans, but I actually just think, I mean, so fantasy points, which is a great website, shout out Scott Barrett over there. They have a stat called ass, which that's how I want my stats to be named ass. Yeah, yeah.

Average separation score, it's a really good stat. Elave is the third best ass, which I've been saying for years that I loved Elavé's ass. For years. Years, third best ass, but he's 57th at fantasy points. So, I mean, I think that if you believe

that what the Saints are doing, they can keep doing, I think, yeah, you could pay top 10. price for Alave, but like that actually might be too low. Right. Like that's a guy, Tyreek Hill or Alave rest of the season. What are you taking? It's hard to give up on

Tyreek Hill. He's just so explosive. I think what you do is you arbitrage that you think the person with Tyreek thinks they might be getting an upgrade. And so if you, like, if you can get a lave on someone else. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's how you play it. And then you're secretly hoping a lobby is just better than Tyree Kill going forward.

I think that's the way you want to do it. Next up, I have Spy Lowe's. Remember, it's Spy Lowe's. Mark Andrews, tied in for the Ravens. Has he been good? No. Check. Does he have 10 fantasy points this season? No.

But does everyone who has Mark Andrews on their team fear that this is going to sink their entire fantasy season drafting him? Yes. Do you think that Mark Andrews is going to be as bad the rest of the season as he's been in the last two weeks? I don't think he's going to be as bad. I personally, if I have Mark Andrews on a couple teams, I'm kind of panicking a little bit about this offense, to be honest.

That's my point. My fear is they don't know what they want to do, you know, with this likely Andrews thing and it's just going to end up being a mess. But that's this uncertainty and doubt and fear that you can exploit in trade offers because I don't think, I mean, I don't know, like there's no good tight ends right now. So that's a little bit of a complicating factor. Like you're going to have to give somebody up probably to get Mark Andrews. But that's, I'll admit that honestly, the big, so just in terms of Mark Andrews, he had tightroop surgery last year.

I think that starting slow makes sense. He had this car accident in August. Look, he should have had 35-yard catch from Lamar Jackson last week and Lamar just missed him. I think the hardest, tight ends are hard to trade for because if you have, the whole point of taking a tight end early is you don't want to deal with the Michigan offs of having a bad tight end. Streaming every week. Yeah. Yeah, it's like selling a car. You're like, oh, I got the money.

But like, now I need a car. It's like, well, who's my tight end now? Got to take the bus. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, yeah, people were like, well, but I liked having a car. And so the tight end thing, but if people, like, if anyone has Mark Andrews and another option or if you have another option, I don't know what other viable option looks like right now because everyone's asked. But if the person with Mark Andrews is panicking and they think that they're debating playing anyone on waivers over him, I would go get him.

Also, blurb test. Hello. Andrews definitively behind flowers in the pecking order pushing him farther down the tight end ranks every week. Boom. That person wants to sell. We got to figure out a way to hack the Yahoo blurbs. Yeah. That would be great.

Yeah, if you can like get in, if you're a coder, get in there and make some changes and you can really do a lot. This guy sucks. It's like the Italian job where they do all the green lights. Yeah. You know, we just get in there. We need a ludicrous from Fast and Furious, who was like a mechanic in the first movie and then by the end was like hacking into NASA. Or we could come up with like a content scheme where we pay influencers to get our messages out into the world. Yeah.

Okay. Cash. That could work. Bots. Bots, yeah. We're just no, real people. Who is a, if you're going to do a tight end for a tight end trade, like, would you trade, would you give up Kyle Pitt? Would you give up Kyle Pitts for Mark Andrews? Yeah. Would you give up Bowers? Would you sell high on Bowers?

No. I think Brock Bowers will be top three tennis. He might be the top tight end this year. I would buy high on Brock Bowers. This is a buy low shot. Would you rather have Travis Kelsey or Bowers rest of the season? Oh, Bowers. Bowers, but I actually think Kelsey is a by-low, too. I think everyone's, everyone

who has Kelsey like Andrews is like, oh my God, I'm the idiot who has Travis Kelsey the year too late. Like, I'm a moron. Yeah, like, Kelsey broke a streak of 113 games in a row that he had three catches. Here's a legit question that I'm actually curious about. Would you trade

Sam Laporta for Mark Andrews right now? No. What? No. Why is that a weird question? Sam Laporta has scored eight points. They're all sucking. That's the thing. You can pick any tight end. Has any tight end scored more than 15 points?

No, I wouldn't. That's not Isaiah likely. But you took him so, I would, if you could get Mark Andrews and something else for Leport, I would consider it. But I don't know. Speaking of Kelsey Dicke, do you think Mahomes is a by low? I do. We just totally disrespected Tom, Tom, Tom here. So we just.

My bad, my bad. Okay. Patrick Mahomes had 151 yards in this last game. That is the lowest passing yards total he's ever had in his career, other than the game that he hurt his knee. on the sneak. I don't think there's a better buy-low opportunity for a guy like Patrick Mahomes than right now. People are freaking out about this offense.

People are freaking out. Like if you looked at Patrick Mahomes' past chart, everything was at or behind the line of scrimmage. It was wild. And so I think in a season where, look, I don't think you should trade another quarterback, like a rushing quarterback for Patrick Mahomes,

but like I would still buy into Patrick Mahomes over pretty much any of the other like quote unquote pocket quarterbacks. Some of these other guys that have gotten off to a hot style like Baker Mayfield. Obviously, I would trade Baker Mayfield. for Patrick Holmes if someone was willing to do that. If they're freaking out about Patrick Mahomes, probably no one's doing that at this point.

But basically any other of the pocket quarterbacks, I would rather have Patrick Mahomes. And I think that's kind of like the thesis here. I think Kelsey's going to get better as the year goes along. I think that they're going to work Xavier worthy into the offense a little bit better and kind of just like hit their stride as they go along. And so, you know, obviously he's not running around as much as you want in terms of like these Russian quarterbacks.

but I still think this could be a team that ends up passing for a ton of touchdowns this year. And, yeah, again, this is like a betting on a talent thing. The Chiefs are still really efficient. Sixth and points per drive, seventh and yards per play. Seventh and drives without a first down. So they're stringing. They only have five of those.

They're stringing together drives. I think just like the passing touchdowns haven't come. And that's like been the case with the entire like NFL at this point. But I do think, I think Patrick Wilhomes is still ripe for like a big season passing the ball. And I want to kind of buy back into that if people are freaking out about him. You'd probably have to send a pretty decent package to get somebody to give up on Mahomes just because of the name brand value and it's still only two weeks into the season. Like, would you trade Justin Fields? I know that goes against the rushing thing.

Would you trade a guy like Justin Field try and throw him in plus maybe someone else? I don't think you could get Patrick Mahomes for Justin Fields. I don't think I'm saying one other guy plus Justin Fields. I think to get Mahomes. I think you have to trade like Jaden Daniels and Chris Olavent. I don't know about it. Well, that would be too much. I wouldn't do that.

But Mahomes is an identity thing. Derek Carr. Having Mahomes on their team is an identity thing. Derek Carr for Patrick Mahomes. No one's doing that. I don't think anyone's giving up Mahomes. No one would do that. Yeah.

Nobody would do that. I don't know. I see a lot of people panicking about Mahomes already. Maybe. I mean, look, maybe you could do, you know, Joe Burrow and Tank Dell or something, but I just don't think, I think it would take a lot to get somebody to give up on Mahomes

two weeks into the season. Having Mahomes on your fantasy team is an identity. You can't get people to abandon. Yeah, you can't. It's, anyway. There's a sunk cost fallacy that I think you have to factor in no matter what with Mahomes. Next up here, Bylow, Craig. You had just all the Bills pass catchers.

Yeah, I particularly, it's mainly Khalil Shakur and then like a little bit of Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid. Matt Harmon, for, who does reception, wrote an entire article two days ago on how Kalilu Shakir is the perfect archetype of the modern. and wide receiver. And I admitted, I admittedly love this guy because he was like a sleeper of mine this year. I think he's very good.

But as we were talking about with CR earlier, it was like with so much defensive emphasis on, you know, preventing explosive plays, you need guys who can separate, get open over the middle,

create with yards after the catch, have a little bit of size to break tackles. And like Shakir kind of does all of those things. And it's like also why guys like a Monras St. Brown or she rice are all succeeding right now. Shakir kind of falls into that mold.

And, you know, last year, Shakir caught 75% of his targets this year. He's basically doing the exact same thing. He's cut 100% of his targets this year. He's 8 for 8, 96 yards in a touchdown. In August, I mentioned that he led all wide receivers

and pass a rating when targeted last year. I just think he's a really good player. The bills have not thrown the ball a lot. They've thrown it the second least amount of times in the league. It's the Saints dead last in past attempts. And then the bills, I think they're going to throw the ball more. And I think he's great. And then tossing in a guy like Keon Coleman, who I think,

as a rookie, is already playing the most. He's number one in terms of playing time easily on the bills. he's first in snaps and routes, which I think is just like an awesome sign for a rookie with no definitive number one. It's basically Matt Collins, they threw his ass in there to block. Marquez Valdez-Scaneling isn't doing anything.

Curtis Samuel isn't playing. So I'm just kind of betting on this bill's offense who is not throwing a lot, and I think there's a lot of positive signs, even with Kincaid as well. Yeah, Shakur has the highest target rate among all the receivers on the team. He's second in routes for team dropback. So he's not playing, like, he's playing 60% of snaps, but like when he's in there, generally speaking, they're throwing.

He's like the definition of good things happen when they throw to him. Right. He's fourth in success rate when targeted this year. Out of all the wide receivers in the NFL, when you throw to him, good things happen. And I think that will continue and they're going to play him more. Next up here, we have Craig while you're going. You also had Jared Goff, quarterback for the Lions. Goff has had a really unlucky start.

I mean, he's fourth in yards right now. And he leads the league in pass attempts. And yet he's the QB 29. It's just because he's only got one touchdown. he's got three picks. He's actually second and expected fantasy points this year. I mean, he's averaging 10 points a game. I think this is an easy by-low. Last two years, he's like a Mari Cooper. It's like he's not sexy. He's not going to blow your mind, but he's been the, he was the quarterback 13 last year. He was the quarterback 14 the year before, you know, his offense is great.

They've added another game changer in Jameson Williams. I think things are still looking good. He's still playing, what, 85% of his games indoors. So I think golf is like the definition of an easy bylaw right now that is not super sexy that nobody's going to be really upset to give up. Goff is like, I feel like that he's just, his stats so far and like what he's done so far is just a little bit of noise because if you look at basically the last few years of his career when he's been good with the, with the lions, he's been incredible when he's not pressure, when he's kept clean. I saw this from pride of Detroit, who were kind of like, this is a website from SB Nation. They were digging into like what's going on with him. Why is he so, why has he been so bad?

And basically it's like he just hasn't been as sharp as he usually is when he's kept clean. And I think that's just noise. I think he's going to return to form as the season goes along. I think it's probably just like a little bit of bad luck here and there, bad decisions. But he's been very, very consistently really good when he's kept clean in his offense. And this is like you said, a good offense with great offensive line, very good weapons, good coaching, you know, smart scheming. I think now is the time to buy low. And like he said, expected points.

he's like number two in the NFL, according to PFF, at the quarterback position. Right now he's like, you know, QB 20 something. So I think that'll even out. It feels like classic starting slow because you didn't play a lot in the preseason. I like this one. And also I think you got Jared Goff is extremely acquirable, which is in the spirit of this. You can, in fact, buy him low. I feel like Goff always has the stink on him of Rams Goff.

Like, no matter what, like the second Goff starts to play bad, I think if he's on your fancy team, it's like, ugh, golf. Didn't your, was it your brother-in-law, your brothers-in-law that, like, were drunk and admitted to you at one in the morning that they loved Jared Gough? Well, no, I knew they loved Jared Gough. At one in the morning, drunkenly, they said that they would rather have Jared Gough than Aaron Rogers. And this was three years ago. No, they're Rams fans. I thought they wanted him more than Stafford.

They are Rams fans, but they love Gough and ride for Gough. Oh, more than Rogers. And think that he's been unfairly treated by the media. And they said drunkenly that right now they'd rather have Gough than Aaron Rogers. That's a great fan confession. Maybe email us at Ringar Fantasy. Football at gmail.com, you're like irrational fan confessions. Just like a take purge,

but like about your own team. They do that thing where you know those like fun comparisons where it's like Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones have the same stats the last three years. They always find Jared Goughlin's and it's those are the best. It's like cherry pick the perfect five categories to make these two quarterbacks look the same. So next up,

put two minutes on the clock. I'm just going to run through a bunch. I'm going to run through a few of the other ones I had because honestly a lot of the ones you guys sent me, I also like more. And so here's just a grab bag of a bunch of other ones we got here. Jack Moss running back for the Bengals. Not complicated. He's the guy for the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals have started

slow again and the Bengals offense will rebound again. I know I've been down on the Bengals, but like, Zach Moss is going to be the guy, and he's got five points last week, and they play Washington and the Carolina. Those defenses suck. And so I think that Zach Moss might have a really good game, and if you need a running back, you could go get him. He won't be the expensive.

I think it would really good rest of the year. I like that one. The Yahoo Narks with the blurbs said that he might have a good game next week. so it's at the bottom though so hopefully your friend doesn't read um dante johnson for the panthers i had this very high i penciled this in on sunday and then now brice young's been bench so it's not you know it's not as easy dionte johnson has like five fantasy points all season so somebody might be like oh i want to see how he plays with any doughton screw those people if you have someone who just thinks the panthers are awful and they're embarrassed they have any of these guys in their team i would go

get dionte johnson i think it'll be pretty solid with with um andy dalton the quarterback to be totally honest. And then Quirleton Sutton, gross, disgusting. I don't want to watch the Broncos. I don't want to bow next. I don't want to be involved. That's kind of the point. I don't even like Quirley-Sutton-Sutton, to be honest. But I bet whoever has him was thinking about cutting. I like him as a guy actually a lot. He's actually

a very entertaining player. But I don't like him for fantasy. But no skill player. Do you mention pro football focus, expected points? There is no skill player that has a larger gap between expected fantasy points and actual points through two weeks than Cortland Sutton. Dude, you could probably offer a good defense to get Grilton Sutton. You don't need to

give him anything. Like he hasn't done anything. Like, whoever has him is a threat. This is about value. We are extracting value. This is not about sex appeal. Cortland Sutton's Yahoo blurb begins. Sutton was an afterthought in Sunday's defeat. Yeah. He's free. He's probably on the waiver wire.

Yeah, honestly, he might be dropped. Which of these guys do you like the most? Is it Zach Moss, Deonti Johnson, Cortland Sutton, or Craig? Is it your beloved Josh Palmer, the ultimate by low? I wouldn't be a man if I didn't buy low on Palmer right now. I simply have to. I still think there's, he's been banged up to start the year. It's Quentin Johnson thing. Who knows? Might be a flash in the pan. He's just there.

Palmer's still on the field. He, I mean, he's one of the two starting wide receivers. So, yeah, I'll buy low on Palmer. I hope he gets dropped in my two leagues. I'll pick him up. I like the Zach Moss one a lot. I think you're absolutely right. He's been dominating touches. He's been, you know, their main back, basically. They're using Chase Brown as like a change of pace a little bit. But Zach Moss, dominating touches, dominating snaps. It looks pretty good. And, yeah, the opponents will get easier as the year goes on.

We need a fantasy court. All right. First of all, shout out. Last time we did this, we joked that we should put ourselves as like fantasy lawyers as like a like a bench or a billboard. And we ask people emails, shout out to all the, a lot of people who do billboards, listen to the show. Thank you to everyone emailed us

for your fancy football, GMO. We're big in the Billboard demo. Our Billboard demo is just hopping right now. We will be in touch with all of you. Actually,

we will follow up. We're going to get billboards. So anyway, and also a bunch of, like, shout out to Matt, but like 100 people email those and been like, why don't you guys just do it

we want to use a judge and two of you were lawyers, one on the defense, one for the plaintiff, prosecuted defense attorney instead of all three of us being judges. And I'm not going to lie.

I kind of thought that was, we should have been doing that the whole time. I mean, it makes sense. It makes sense logically and rationally, but I like being like the Supreme Court where there's multiple of us and we all get to decide together. It's fun to just pile on. I don't want, I don't want like one person making the choice, you know. That's, that's why D.K. would be the judge. I don't want to give anyone too much power. You just adjudicated that. Thank you. Yeah. Adjudicated? You said put a G in that? Adjudicate. Sorry. Okay. Anyway. All right. This course, this case here, this next fantasy court, plaintiff's name is Eric.

Eric. Eric. I need help in a ruling. My league has rolling waivers from what blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like waiver rules. Nothing makes me feel dumber than explaining waiver rules. Maybe funny thing you did that in court. You know what I think about all the game of Thrones when Roberts is like deathbed and he's like.

Titles, titles, titles, titles, you get filmed later. Rule of the seven titles. Anyway, Eric says, my league has rolling waivers from Wednesday until Sunday and there are no pickup. meaning that waivers go through it like noon and afternoon you can't add anybody till the next day. So during COVID, this became an issue because players would get COVID and ruled out right before game time and sometimes you didn't have replacement, especially a quarterback and tight end. And I specifically remember four years ago when Pat Friermuth was my tight end and was ruled out right before kickoff. And the commission told me, tough luck, you knew the rules and didn't get to play a tight end.

Fast forward four years. Now the commissioner is trying to change the rule back to how it was before the season started. He, the commissioner at Evan Engram with no backup tight end and could not pick up anybody before the waiver period ended. So he got a goose egg for that spot. And now the commission wants to change the rule. I agree the rule should be changed, but I'm still spiteful. And we need a unanimous vote to change the rule. Eleven people have voted.

Yes, should I just use my vote spitefully to screw of the commissioner to hold my to hold my grudge just for revenge? That is tempting. There's nothing quite like a spite vote. it has to be everyone agreeing on it? Well, I think, yeah, that's a good rule. Like, I think, like, once the season begins, changing a rule of midseason should be unanimous. I think unless, like, the commissioner made a mistake

and he used to run it back. The committee, like, it should be unanimous to change a rule, like, midstream. He's going to, like, filibuster this rule change. Yeah, just because he's like, I don't like you. I don't like the cut of the gym. Maybe the two people involved shouldn't be allowed, or should the commissioner be allowed to vote on this?

Well, it doesn't matter, though, everyone's voted, but he needs his vote. So should he single-handedly screw over the commissioner just because he is mad about this from four years ago. I kind of think, yes. I think that's funny. I think that's a good bit. It's legally sound like the commissioner.

The commissioner had just been like, hey, man, sorry, that's the rule. He said, tough luck, exclamation point. You knew the rules, exclamation point. Tough luck exclamation point is particularly dickish. He should literally say no in the chat and then write, tough luck, exclamation. I would never forgive someone who said, told me tough luck. Tough luck.

about anything. The lowest, the lowest stakes thing, if someone told me tough luck, I'd be like, fuck you forever. Tough luck is basically

like a more polite version of crawl in a hole and die. Yeah. Honestly, if he's like some like entitled commissioner, I say,

I say do this. This is hilarious. Yeah, I agree. Also, like, as a general rule, um, taking this away from just this case

and talking in generalities, I do think it's probably better not to change any rules during the season, right? And it's an abuse of power. If the commissioner, it just happened to his team, so he's mad. That's like the definition of like, the commissioner should be changing rule because he's pissed.

Yeah. Reaping sewing meme. Yeah, exactly. Reefing. Ha, ha, ha, yes. Fuck, yes. Soeing. Oh, no.

This fucking sucks. All right. Next up here. We have a, this is from Emily. Emily. Obviously, we one. Emily. Obviously, week one sucked for everyone, but we have a friend who got drunk right before waivers and said,

these guys won't do anything for the rest of the season and cut Amon Ross St. Brown and Marvin Harrison Jr. to add Brandon Cooks into Marcus Robertson. So in order to keep the league balanced, the commissioner gave her back a Monroes St. Brown, but she lost Marvin Harrison Jr. as punishment for being drunk and stupid.

How would you guys have handled the situation? Wow. I would not have granted them back a player. We had two of these this week. Someone also, their little sister cut, Mark Andrews, and he was like, going to give her back. And the sister was like,

I'll stand on that dumb decision. And yeah, but isn't this why like some leagues like have the no cut rule for some players? ESPN has the undropable. Your first, yeah, your first two picks of the draft or whatever, you can't cut them no matter what or something. So like your little brother can't like go up to your computer when you're in the bathroom and drop Amon Ross St. Brown? Yeah. Just cut Josh out. This is actually, I think first of all, I respect the commissioner of this league for being very decisive.

And yeah. And punitive at the same time. Like you're taking Amman Ross St. Brown back. because you were drunk and being stupid. But for your actions, I'm taking away Marvin Harrison Jr. I kind of just respect that choice and want to let the lower courts

determine their own judgment on this. I'm being serious. I really appreciate when commissioners are decisive and fair and things like that. So I respect that. I do think there's like a problem with someone getting drunk and dropping like a player that can truly change the competitive balance

of the league. But what precedent does this sent? Like, now what? Don't get drunk. But I'm saying like if in the future, I guess this is kind of specific. No one's going to do this though, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, what is the lesson here? It's like if you get drunk and drop two players, you get one back? I don't know

if I agree with that. Don't get drunk and drop your players. But I guess the flip side, though, is it's kind of insane. Kick him off the tour! It's kind of insane that like you just like narrowly lost your week one thing, your O and one and you look up and you're like, oh my God, I can just add them on where I was saying proud now. You just get to add Marvin Harrison Jr.

For no reason other than you just have the number one waiver order after week one. You get Marvin Harrison Jr. I would like to know if I was doing this, if I was really being like a stickler about this, I would like to know the waiver wire rules in terms of like is this a like Fab League or is it just like the order, the draft order, like reverse draft order. But even Fab doesn't matter because everyone would bid 100% of their thing for Marvin Harrison Jr. And then you'd have to be like, what's the Fab tiebreaker? Right. And the fab tiebreaker is the waiver priority.

Right? Yeah. So, like, you're right back to where you started. That's the thing. It's just the thought that someone gets him sucks. You can't let someone drop Amon Rae St. Brown. I just feel like that just fucks up the competitive balance. What are we talking about here?

This is a, this is a cupcake ruling. Come on. This person made a mistake. A huge mistake. It's on them. But how would you have handled it? Now, Amon, it's the Wild West? Like, yeah, you get to just add Marvin Harris and Junior Amon right now?

Yeah, I guess so. Craig's all about. What if your least favorite friend got to be the person to add a it would that change your. Yeah. Yeah. Then out of spite, I would not allow that. Yeah.

But we need to land on something here. I feel like D.K. is right in the middle. Hyfitt is on the one side and I'm on the other side. I actually think D.K. nailed this, which is you punt this to the lower court. Shout out to the commissioner for making a decision. We're not taking your case. You cut Marvin Harrison Jr. so you feel dumb. But like, you still get a monroe because it would be a little chaotic if two teams get.

I think that's a good punishment. Also, they were drunk and they, like, yeah, I think that's a good punishment. You lost Marvin Harrison, Jr., And he was the number one receiver immediately after you cut him. Like you feel stupid. Also, if this happens again, you're out of the league. This is soft. This is a soft ruling.

Great. Like, also, maybe let them decide who they get to keep. If you're going to allow them to keep one person. Fuck that. They're the last person who gets to decide which to keep. So the commission just gets to pick which guy he wants to add off waivers essentially. I think because the other eight people. Yeah.

Because I think is one person, it's not about justice to the person who cut them. It's the other eight people who weren't going to get them being like, why is this person being drunk gonna help once, like these two super teams now would just get to put a mona on their flex because they just fucking got the waiver. I think that's the thing. I think it's a revolt from everyone

not about the person. It's like pitchforks. I guess. I don't know. I think this whole thing's kind of smelly. I don't love it. I don't love the commissioner deciding who he gets to keep and who doesn't. I don't love the fact that this person got drunk and drop players and gets rewarded for it. He doesn't like any of it. He can write that in your

dissenting. Yeah, you can write that in your dissent. I agree with T.K. Craig just wants chaos. Yeah. And shout out to who, yeah, and same with whoever cut Mark Andrews. I think people should pay for their actions. I'm sorry. I agree. Commissioners are meant to keep the piece a little bit. Same as Samantha, who emailed us, the subject

line, embarrassing. This is embarrassing, but also, yeah, you should not get Mark Andrews back. Like, her brother wanted to give her the guy back, and I'm like, no, you cut Mark Andrews because she overreacted. And you know what? Yeah, she doesn't get him back. This is crazy.

What world are we in? I know. All right. What world are we in? Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football atchymail.com for more fantasy court cases. We'll take your cases. And again, the bench people, the billboard people. Get it.

Yeah. Keep getting in touch with this. We're going to do something with these. And you know what? In the future, it's a Tuesday night, get hammered. Get blacked out. Do whatever you want to your roster. It won't matter.

They'll give you all your players back. Who cares? It's the purge. I guess on Tuesday night. So you want to be in a league where someone can get mad and just drop all the good players and just like create an absolute like chaos in the league. Because I've had that happen in a league where someone was like mad about something and like dropped all their players. Well then you kick that person out of the league.

All right. Email us to ringer fantasy football at gmail.com for more fantasy courts. Luckily, yeah, we're a lenient court here. I guess so. There's a fantasy DUI in my opinion. Like the ninth circuit. Yeah. All right.

I want to run a, we have to run a correction here. Yesterday on trivia, we had a trivia question. How many muscles are in an elephant's trunk? And the answer we read was 40,000. What is it like? Is it like 100,000? It's 17. It's 17?

Total? Yeah, it's not like 17,000. Like, it's just 17 muscles. Where did you get 40,000? Well, well, well, it's apparently a common myth, including shout out to the Cleveland. Zoological Society, not to throw anyone under the fucking bus. God, we got the Cleveland Zoological demo, just coming up big for us right now.

No, no, no, they got it wrong. Oh, well, then F them. Yeah, the Cleveland, not to throw anyone under the bus, you know, I would never, like, you know, Nick Seriani. I'm just saying that there was a, if any part of the 40,000, you know, Jalen Hertz was supposed to take a sack on the play. But anyway, yeah, there's only 17 muscles. There's eight on each side and then one up the middle. I feel like I got it right then.

No, no, it's all right. Hifitz, you made a mistake. You could still get first place. God damn it, Craig. I never said I made a mistake. The Cleveland Zoological Society. You're supposed to follow up on this stuff, right? They have elephants.

There's a picture of the fucking elephant on the goddamn homepage of the Cleveland Zoological Society. They're a zoo. Why the fuck would I think that they are not an authority? They're a goddamn zoo. The first article that pops up when you Google, how many muscles do elephants have in their trunks, says, are there really 150,000 muscles in the elephants trunk and it says, no, this is a common misconception.

There are 17. Yes, that's where I learned it from. I'm just saying the Cleveland Zooological Society I thought was a reputable organization. It turns out they're like the rush to damn zoos. I'm sorry, I got it wrong. I will say, Google Gemini, their AI tool, says 40,000. What a crock? What is going on there?

Gemini. What is it? How did happen out there? Have you seen the viral meme of like how you asked them how many R's are in strawberry and none of them can get it right? Oh, my God. D.K. I think I said 210. I think Hyphen said 10,000 and DK, you said like 70. Yeah, but it's kind of like, it's like the NBA where they're like, oh, there was a foul

after. They're like, we're not changing the outcome. I just want to know who I could have had. I want to know who I could have had. The ink of history is dry. Who did Hyfitz get? Was this the last question? We'll go back and check the tape.

Yeah, we, we've only, we recorded it. Okay. So anyway, I don't have to fucking tell you guys that. Can we change the record of the who got the trivia right though? Yes. Yes. No. Oh, yeah.

We can do that. That's fine. That's fine. Craig, not so tough on crime anymore. I love it. All right. Last one here. This emails from Alec.

Alec. Another Alec. I feel like we just had an Alec. No, that was Alec Pierce. Yeah, that was me pronouncing his name, Alex. Okay, never mind. I found an Oreo Coke Zero at my local grocery store and I bought it. But I tried it so you guys don't have to.

Wow. Honest review, it is exactly as advertised. And it's a parenthesis, derogatory. It tastes like a Coke on the front and an Oreo in the back. And it's a novel idea, I guess, but at what cost? Is there also just something freaks me out about that having zero sugar? Oh, Oreo Coke, zero. Alex says the scientists at Coca-Cola and Oreo, we're so preoccupied with whether or not they could make an Oreo Coke.

They didn't stop to think whether they should. Right. At what cost? I think we should try that. on the show next week. I think we should bring the Oreo Coke to the... We've been getting a lot of... We've been getting a lot of tweets and stuff about the Oreo Coke thing. The guy who invented this, it's like the Oppenheimer

meme of Killingen Murphy, just staring at the end of the movie. It's just ripples. Oh my God. We'll have to do that at a live show. We should do the most... We should just find any Oreo-flavored drink and try them at the live-shop. Email us at Ring Your Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. For more fantasy courts, remember trivia for the Monday episodes. and Sundays, we're taking emails and comment on our Instagram.

Ring your Fantasy Football on Instagram, TikTok, comment on the TikTok, comment on the Instagram. And we will, we're going to read a couple on the Sunday shows, trivia on Mondays. And then, yeah, keep emailing us about weird stuff and Oreo Cokes and what other strange prompts that I asked for on this today's show that I remember. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. And thank you, Rickter, and thank you, you Jack Wilson. And thank you, there are so many people that it takes to do something like this.

Thank you to everybody. Thank you everyone for emailing us. Our week three rankings are going to be live Thursday. I bring her fantasy football at Gmail. No, that's the email. Fantasyfootball. Dotterreter.com. There's so many early speaking, I would say.

And remember it's Tuesday night. Have a drink. Go wild. Go crazy. There are no consequences. We talk about adding players. You should actually be cutting all your players. Yeah, yeah.

Who cares? Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Jimmy Hendricks. You know what's funny? I got no relationship with that man. I think. You don't like his music?

I don't know. Craig, you like oldies? Um, I shouldn't say I don't like his music from the 70s. I absolutely love oldies. But for some reason, Jimmy Hendricks,

I know he's like one of the best guitarists ever. Just, I don't know. It didn't, didn't pass my desk. An excellent take by Craig because I would say that images of Jimmy Hendricks are much more famous to our generation than like his music.

Like I don't like, I don't think it has endured in the same way as other artists from his time. I feel. like I know if Jimmy Hendricks is the guy who did the acid in his headband at Woodstock and like pictures of him just like tripping balls and playing guitar is more famous to me than like the actual music of you know what I think yeah I agree crazy that's wild I feel like his music is like so iconic he has some of the most iconic riffs of all time like the intros the intros to like four or five of his songs or some of the most iconic intros or riffs or whatever you want to

call them to any songs ever. Well, the Wiggles have some iconic riffs. You don't even know who they are. They're fruit salad. Yummy, yummy, yummy. God, you just mentioned the Wiggles in the same sentence as Jimmy Hendrix. It's blasphemy. Was that sentence, Corregami?

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