The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Best Fantasy Trade Candidates, Shane Waldron Fired, and the Sitzpinkler
Episode Date: November 13, 2024The guys react to the Bears firing offensive coordinator Shane Waldron and Jerry Jones doubling down on not using curtains (1:43). Next, POWER HOUR! They discuss the underwhelming stars you should tar...get at the fantasy trade deadline, including Craig’s biggest opp, B. Robinson (not Bijan), rookies who could blow up ROS, and much more (21:15). Plus, Fantasy Court and emails (48:33)! Buy the dip in the Chicago wide receivers room (25:17) Craig’s archnemesis (27:30) The other B. Robinson (31:05) Touchdown Tee (33:19) Jordan Love, probably: F**k it, Doubs is down there somewhere (35:37) Ladd McConkey might be a sleeping giant (37:46) TReyADE McBride? I’ll show myself out. Oh, and Sam LaPorta too! (40:27) “...but it (Davante Adams) might work for us” (43:39) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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My name is Danny Huyves and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Kirk World Beck. And today it is
Power Hour where we power rank something. And today we are power ranking the fantasy football
by low players who can save your season. The default fantasy trade deadline on Yahoo and on Sleeper
is this Saturday, so we're going to go over all the players we think you should trade for.
We're also going to power rank all the things that Jerry Jones said about the sun this week
because they were actually enough.
And then we're going to do some fantasy court and also happy exploding whales to all who celebrate, Craig.
That's today, right.
Spolting Whale Day.
I know.
I got to get to the beach.
I'm close to the beach.
Should I go blow up a whale?
Yep.
Yep.
Yes, you can.
54th Exploding Whale Day.
But first, we have some news.
Chicago has fired their offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron.
again, only eight months ago,
Jackson Smith and Jigba,
the current CX receiver
who formerly played for Shane Waldron,
there only eight months ago said,
asked about Shane Waldron in Chicago and said,
is this live?
He's a good person, as he said.
He's a nice guy.
Always a great thing that you want
from an offensive coordinator.
He's a good person.
Yeah, good person.
D.K. was firing Waldron the right move for Chicago?
Yes, I think very obviously it was.
He was like, no, ston.
He's like, I don't think so.
Terrible move.
He's a nice guy.
He's a nice lady.
I don't know for sure if it will fix the bears, to be clear, but I feel like this was
definitely the right move.
Their offense was just going backwards.
I haven't seen like a worse, like a worse offense in the NFL this year.
Like maybe in the last few years, like this offense literally could not do anything.
It was like everything was hard.
So they need new ideas.
They need, you know, just like a new energy to them.
I think like everybody, the body, the body language for the.
entire offense, basically the last few weeks, basically since the Hail Mary loss has been
just absolutely atrocious. So yes, I think this was the right move. I don't know if it's going
to fix everything, but they had to do something. They haven't scored a touchdown since that
Hail Mary. I feel like the OC, it's always the court editor who goes first, right? It's like the first
step is kind of admitting you have a problem. You go with the O.C. Yeah. This does feel, if this feels
like the beginning, this feels like the, this is, we're witnessing the beginning of like the
anatomy of a rebuild. Like it does feel like
Eberfluse is probably going to, you know,
unless they really turn things around.
I don't even, it's like Ryan Poles, the GM, I don't
know about that, but this does feel like step one
of a long process
for Chicago.
The Waldron thing being fired, I think that
inside baseball, but I think the stuff is always
telling. I think what took 36
hours, maybe two weeks longer
than it should have been is, so
the Bears GM Ryan Poles, the head coach
Matt Eberflux this week. I learned it's Eberfluce this week.
I'm glad I start pronouncing his name right.
You were saying Everflus?
Yeah, the whole time.
But, you know, it's fine because now that I learned he's about to get fired.
But Waldron, Eberflus and the GM all have the same agent, which I think, frankly, is what made it, like, 30 hours really complicated to get this firing done.
But, I mean, to, man, it's tough because I personally, I don't think any of this is Caleb Williams's fault, to be honest.
I think the Bears are an awful organization.
But they're playing terribly.
Like, Scott Barrett, our friend over at Fantasy Points, they've been charged.
in catchable throw rates for four seasons.
So that's 106 seasons of quarterbacks that they've charted.
Caleb Williams is dead last in catchable throw rate.
The last four seasons, I know that's not the biggest database,
but that includes Bryce Young as a rookie for the Panthers.
That includes Zach Wilson as a rookie for the Jets.
That includes both of the last Justin Field seasons.
Dead last is Caleb Williams this year.
So frankly, there is no argument to me for Waldron.
But I don't know.
I'm curious do you think, D.K.,
but when I look at the Bears,
everything's sloppy.
There's no attention to detail anywhere.
The offensive line never knows who to block.
The tight ends, the receivers, no one ever knows who to block.
You know, Nate Tice has tweeted out great videos of like Gerald Everett, the tight end coming in,
off of motion blocking the wrong guy.
You know, Keenan Allen never knows who to block off a screen.
The receivers are running bad concepts to the wrong place.
All the details are just wrong, frankly.
And I think that does point to coaching a lot.
This reminds me of like the Jaguars.
Like just everything's so sloppy.
Which year?
I mean, any of the last four years, basically.
Everything's sloppy.
No one really seems like they're on the same page.
The body language is terrible.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah, I think this is the right move again.
I don't know for sure what the new offensive coordinator is going to bring or what he's going to change.
But they had to do something to kind of like break themselves out of this little funk that they're in.
New offensive coordinator, Thomas Brown.
Thomas Brown.
Real guy?
I don't know.
He's kind of an NPC.
I mean, so he also worked for McVeigh.
He's a running backs coach.
He's kind of like, he has a Forrest Gump element where he was like at Wisconsin for Melvin
Gordon who had, I think, did Melvin Gordon like break a touchdown record at Wisconsin?
Like that was crazy.
Then he went to Georgia Chubb, Georgia, Chubb, Georgia, where he worked with Nick Chubb and
Sonny's just been around all the great.
He was also, he was also the running backs coach at Nuga.
Nuga.
Oh, Chattanooga.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just everywhere.
But yeah, he kind of just, Thomas, just kind of worked with like every great
running back at the last like, like, decade.
it honestly. But I don't know.
Frankly, no disrespect
to Thomas Brown, but only the
Bears could turn to the guy
who also was responsible for the
Panthers offense last year.
That landed the Bears the first pick in the first place
to get killed the Williams. And it's not really Thomas Brown's
fault, but it's more like, man, what a hot potato career.
The Panthers last year start one and five.
They fire Frank Reich. And they're like,
all right, Thomas Brown, you call the plays.
And it was a catastrophe. And now he ends up in
Chicago. And he's right back here,
12 weeks, 11 weeks in season. They're like, all right,
Thomas Brown fix this mess with the first pick that we screwed up.
And I don't know.
He's like the embodiment of the, oh, no, I just became the most important person at work
and it's destroying my life.
I think this is such an interesting season from the difference between what you see on paper
versus what happens on an actual football field when like human beings are working together
to try and do something because it's like at the beginning or at the, during the off
season, we're like, oh, this is a great situation for Caleb Williams.
He's coming in.
He has like, you know, veteran receivers and DJ Mark.
They just got Keenan Allen who gets open.
You know, they got Roma Dunzee who's coming on and could give them some big plays, you know, all this stuff.
But then when you actually try and get these things to work together in real life, in reality, there's personalities that are involved.
Like we've seen DJ Moore, like the worst body language of any player in the NFL maybe, you know, this season.
He's just been a wild card.
And then like Keenan Allen definitely falling off a little bit.
And I don't know.
The Gerald Everett signing did not work out whatsoever.
However, like, the whole Shane Waldron thing just never, like, came together.
It didn't seem like he really knew how to accentuate the things that Caleb Williams does well.
And then Caleb Williams, because of all these things, honestly, you said you don't blame Caleb Williams.
I think that's a little ridiculous.
Like, he's just straight up missing throws a lot, which is not something he did a lot at USC.
But, like, when you add all these things together, he's been put in a situation where I think a lot of people would struggle.
He's just been, like, much, much worse than I could have ever imagined, basically.
Yeah.
quarterbacks have done more with less.
I mean, even what Drake May is doing with New England.
Right, exactly.
I would say a little better than what Caleb's doing.
It's like Jane Daniels was handed the greatest offensive all time either.
I think it's funny because it's like Caleb Williams in college was like the guy who plays loose and he plays, you know, on instincts.
And he's running around doing crazy things and putting up big like crazy throws down the field.
We saw that a little bit in the preseason.
And he's like lost his mojo.
He doesn't have that confidence, that swagger.
that he had in college.
And it's kind of all falling apart for him.
It's like truly just like,
I think it's like he's lost his confidence.
And it's like really, it's weird.
It's not the YIP so much as it's just like he's not playing loose.
I mean, again, I just,
I refuse to believe,
and maybe this is total cope and,
you know,
take lock,
but I just refused to believe that the Caleb Williams I saw at USC for,
and even before that at Oklahoma has just been broken,
as opposed to just the bears have designed an incredibly terrible system.
I don't know.
I think that's fair, but eventually it becomes who you are.
I'm not saying that we're there yet with him.
I know, but it's been two months.
It's been like 10 weeks of the season.
I'm like, it's his rookie year.
I totally agree.
It's still very, very early.
But I think, I think D.K. is right that right now is confidence as shot, not because
he's a bad player, but because the nurture of it all has put him in a pretty tough spot right now,
or mentally he's in a funk.
Our buddy Nate Tice had a really good point about this that I'm going to totally steal because
I think he's dead on right.
I actually think, so the Patriots had nine sacks of Caleb Williams this week, which
was a catastrophe.
They had, I think they had eight sacks in the previous six weeks.
Then they sat Caleb Williams nine times.
If you watch the sacks, it's actually, it's not Caleb Williams trying to do crazy
stuff and what we always say about rookie quarterbacks, not playing in structure and just
trying, it's the opposite.
Caleb Williams is trying really hard to stay in structure, almost to prove to everyone
to prove to himself.
He could be a pocket passer.
He should be bailing more.
He should be bailing on these concepts.
And it's almost like he's trying to prove that he's coachable.
And I think Nate nailed that, that he's trying to prove that he is coachable,
that he can run an NFL offense.
And the one that he's trying to like run is awful.
And that's why he looks bad.
He's not playing.
And so when you look at it, the details, another than Nate pointed out that I love was that, like, if you just look at the formation with, the Shane Waldron, you know, he came from the McVeigh tree, the Shanahan tree.
The way he runs it is nothing like what those guys do.
He wasn't, was he not taking any notes when he was coaching there?
You know, we always talk about, we always joke about like, well, why doesn't everyone do this?
And the real answer is largely in part, it's how you do it.
Right.
Matters.
You have to.
And so it's a great two examples of this.
The formation with, if you look at the bears, their offensive, their receivers are so far from the offensive line.
You look at the Rams, the Niners, the Falcons, the other teams who run the McVeigh stuff.
The receivers are close.
It's so intuitive.
It's so funny.
It changes the angles of the running game.
So for the blocking.
And there's more space for the receivers to run.
toward the sideline if they're closer to the middle of the field.
Yeah, it's not rocket science.
The other one, shout out Bobby Mays, our old colleague at the ringer,
who unfortunately is a long-time suffering Chicago Bears fan.
And the other thing Mays pointed out,
I couldn't believe this when I saw the stat.
When Shane Waldrum was in Seattle,
they ran 4.9%, under 5% of their routes,
were in breaking routes to the middle of the field.
5%'s like literally the definition of a statistical anomaly.
That's how much, like dead last in the league in breaking routes.
That's so weird.
Shanahan.
That's like the basis of the offense.
It's bizarre.
So anyway, all that's to say, it's hard to even, it's like they're at the cutting edge
of like schematically what's going on in the NFL right now.
In theory, in reality, all the little details are wrong.
No one's blocking right.
No one's receiving right.
The play calls are not at the right time.
They're not like they don't know why they're doing anything.
And so the players don't know why they're doing anything.
Anyway, I actually think Caleb will get better going forward.
So I, this season, I'm a little worried, but I don't know.
I haven't changed my thoughts at Caleb at all.
It's locked in my thoughts on the Bears.
New coach bump.
That's all I'm hoping for.
The new coach bump.
But remember a tattoo we have, which is it can always get worse.
Yeah.
Don't forget that.
So we have so many contradicting tattoos.
We have it can always get worse, but also it's not as bad or as good as it seems.
Also, they're all like, you have to interpret all of them.
Yeah.
They're a little vague.
Bears have the hardest schedule in the NFL coming up.
Packers, Vikings, at Lions,
at 49ers, at Vikings,
Lions, Seahawks.
Yeah, they play the entire NFC North
the next three weeks and then the Niners
and then go back to the NFC North.
Brutal.
They might not win another game.
Maybe, I don't know.
Not good.
All right.
The other thing we have to hit a here,
so Jerry Jones came out and said,
no Dak Prescott for the rest of the season,
no curtains for the rest of the season.
He's saying no curtains.
No curtains.
Which is curtains for the Cowboys.
Curtains for the Cowboys.
Well, that is basically what came out.
We thought we knew both these,
but he basically confirmed it.
is on injured reserve, like, forever with this hamstring, like for the rest of the season.
I want to read you this quote.
This is the Jerry Jones said this today.
He's really cooking right now because this quote is also awesome.
So again, Dak Prescott's hamstring was ripped off the bone.
Out for a year.
Like a brisket.
Jerry Jones said it's more common injury in hockey.
He's got doctors that are very familiar with how to repair that.
And his prognosis is wonderful.
It just means that we're not going to have him the rest of the year.
Right.
Wonderful.
Wonderful.
His prognosis is wonderful.
Imagine Jack Prescott, your hamstrings ripped off the bone.
Jerry Jones is like, wonderful.
That's like the literal doctor or something.
It's like, Grandma's prognosis was wonderful, but you're never going to see her again.
Like, what is he saying?
What does he mean?
It's just full of wonder.
We're wondering when he'll be back.
It's full of wonder.
I hate this doctor.
The other thing, you know what?
For all the things growing with Dallas, we have to talk about the Sun thing again.
I can't believe so much has happened.
Mike McCarthy did the press conference.
from the media room.
They put up a little, like, shade thing.
To block the sun from hitting him in the face
when he's not playing football.
Do you guys mind before we do power?
Can I power rank the quotes Jerry Jones said about the sun in the last three days?
Please.
So they didn't have shades.
This is only the last three days.
No shades in the press conference room even on the inside?
I don't know.
Why are there shades in that room?
Can we get a curtain?
Somebody buy them a curtain.
But are there no blinds?
Like the building, the building goes to a billion dollars.
Don't all meeting rooms have shades of a blinds?
Like, what's going on?
Do you think that just during, yeah, they actually like used to do press conferences, like, or like board room meetings with Jerry Jones and the CEO of Pepsi.
And he's just said there.
And the CEO of Pepsi's just like, oh my God.
Can't even freaking see anything.
The Cowboys, I think I've said this before.
The Cowboys always just remind me of like whatever it was the F-22 or the F-35 can't remember which one is like, they spent like a hundred billion dollars developing it.
And then they're like, oh, wait, sorry, it can't fly in the rain.
Can't get wet.
You can't get it wet.
Hopefully you're flying.
Hopefully you have a war.
there's not very much rain.
It's like when Kai went to the TCU Georgia
championship in SoFi, which is a roof
and he got rained on.
It was raining sideways.
That's why I don't trust human beings for anything.
Sorry.
This is why I have a fear of flying, all right?
This is why AI builds buildings.
Dude, I'm obsessed at this kind of thing.
Okay, so these are things Jerry Jones
has said about the sun in the last three days.
I'm going to go backward from.
Okay.
I'll start for the top.
the things we already know.
Again, going back to Sunday,
I'm saying the world knows where the sun is.
You get to know that almost a year in advance.
Okay, now.
Which is still so near and dear to my heart,
almost a year in advance.
It's one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time.
You get to know that almost a year in advance.
And I will say, some people were like,
well, he was probably talking about the schedule,
which is released.
I will say the schedule is released in May.
That's like four months, bro.
not almost a year.
Do not give him any benefit of the doubt.
He does not mean the schedule release.
I think he really thinks you find out where the sun's going to be.
It's like the farmer's almanac or whatever,
where they put out like,
here's where the sun's going to be.
I think that's correct.
Maybe it's on Groundhog Day.
I just want to read an email here from Brandon,
who wrote in Brandon.
Brandon.
The Mayans knew so much about the sun and its movement
that at the ancient city of Cheechin-Itsa
and their largest pyramid,
which you've definitely seen pictures of this,
There's little rocks on the top, and these rocks from triangle shadows along the rails go all the way to the top.
And during the spring and fall equinox, the triangle lines up perfectly to create a full image of the serpent God.
And Brandon writes, I tore this site in 2009, which ironically is the year that Jerry World opened.
And he sent me a link with how this works.
But quite literally, the minds figured this out 2,000 years ago.
Humans, man, they used to be so awesome when they had nothing to do.
But just like, they're like, well, the sun, we should just figure that out.
Now we have a podcast of fantasy football.
In the fourth quarter?
Now we're like figuring out yards per round
in fantasy football.
We have too many interests, is what I'm saying.
I know.
My next favorite Jerry quote
for the last three days.
Someone asked me about the sun.
What about the sun?
Where's the moon?
Fair point.
I mean, that's...
What about the moon?
If you think about it.
So this is now today.
Sorry, today's Tuesday.
I don't know if this was yesterday.
He said, basically, he would double down.
He was like, why don't you change the...
Put the curtains up, Jerry.
And he said, that really goes under the
category of home field advantage.
It has been an advantage for us
to know where the sun is. I don't want to change
that. Just Craig, again,
this is
impotent. This is the impotent thing.
You double down.
He's never going to admit that he's wrong
on this. It's like
the martingale system in gambling
when you get a bet wrong, you just double it and bet it
again. Eventually you're going to win.
Frank even. So then he was asked
well, if it's an advantage, you know,
why is it helping you?
To which he said, he basically said, Kellynne Moore, when he was the coordinator, knew where the sun was. He literally said,
Kellynne Moore knew about the sun. He spent, I'm sure he spent a lot of time, the coordinator for the Eagles, he used to be here.
I'm sure he spent a lot of time planning and thinking about where the sun was going to be.
But not your own team. No.
And then Jerry said, my biggest thought when we were building the stadium was, don't have it look like it's not outdoors, make it look like it's outdoors.
It was built to have sunlight coming in.
don't have it look like it's not outdoors.
So look,
have it look like it's outdoors.
The double negative.
Like it's not outdoors.
What does that mean?
He wants it to look like
we're playing outside in an outdoor stadium
because it doesn't, first of all.
I genuinely think Jerry likes how a sunset looks.
And I genuinely think that he just thought
this was an advantage from some time he played football in the 50s.
He just convinced himself,
no one could ever figure this out.
I just don't know.
what that means. Make it look like we're outdoors. Also, you know how to, they have the biggest
screen in America hanging over the center of the field. Can't do that when you're outdoors.
The other one that this was from Sunday, but we didn't talk about this one as much, but he was asked,
why don't you just put the curtains up over the windows that you guys already have? And he said,
let's just tear the damn stadium down and build another one. Are you kidding me? There's no middle
ground. They already have the curtains. That's like when you pull the piece of like a Jenga piece out and
you know the tower is going to fall,
but you just knock it down before it falls because you're so mad.
That was Jerry right there.
Why would just rebuild the stadium then?
Honestly, he should.
I also learned today, sorry, I'm obsessed with this.
I don't care how long we spend on it.
Just put up the curtains, man.
I learned today a Cowboys Season ticket holder
explained this to the sales department for Dallas in 2008.
That they basically,
he wanted to make sure his seat licenses were not in that section.
He got assigned to this.
He was in the Canadian Air Force,
and he works at like Lockheed Martin and Boeing,
and he was like, I'm going to be the sun.
And the sales staff was like, no, you're not.
And he's like, it will be a huge problem.
I'll be like, it's going to be hot.
Like, I can't, I don't want to sit there.
And they were like, prove it.
And he's like, okay.
And he sent them like a 30 page PowerPoint deck explaining how the sun works with diagrams.
That's Kellynne Moore.
Yeah, there you go.
So he got the job.
He was a whistleblower and they just ignored him.
Yep.
They just buried it.
I can't get over how stubborn Jerry is.
Just put the freaking curtains up, man.
Everyone would just be happy.
Everyone would be happy about it.
Do you think if somebody goes rogue and hangs the curtains up, he would get someone fired?
I feel like he wouldn't notice.
Oh, he would notice.
He would notice everyone would be asking him about it.
He wouldn't see his beautiful sunset on the field.
I think you're right, Craig.
We have to put him in the ocean to love and fall.
They would be catching touchdowns.
Yeah, that's true.
I want to know if there's any Cowboys fans out there that want the sun to continue to shine into the stadium.
Can we find one?
Can we find a single one?
boy's fan who wants no curtains.
It would be hard to build Jerry
the Ocean's 11 vault because he loves windows
so much. It'd be hard to build a vault
with so many windows and simulate.
You gotta have like LED screens.
Like if they look like windows.
Yeah. There's even like, you know, you can make
videos of people like walking around outside. He's like
knocking on the window. Let's get on that technology.
All right. You guys want you said power hours and buy lows?
Trade season. Do you guys trade? Usually do you try to get into trade before
the deadline? Yeah, I think that's
you got to sprinkle the seeds. It's
like beforehand.
It's like even,
you know,
you have to get in like a few days
and like the deadlines,
your backstop.
But it's hard to get something done
the day of the deadline.
You got to start texting people right now.
You got to scroll down.
You got to start circling like vultures
over those like 10th,
11th, 12th place teams,
you know?
Yeah,
if six teams...
Pick them for,
pick their bones.
If six teams make the playoffs,
you have to look at the fifth,
sixth, seventh and eighth teams,
like those teams that are all like in various states
and like start with them and they look at who they have.
Like,
and if they have any of these players look there.
You don't necessarily want to like,
you know,
Look, it's hard to make a trade with the team in first place.
They don't want to change anything.
You have to start with which teams want to change something.
Do they have any of these players?
Start there.
And again, I know I said it before, can't spill value without you.
And you know what?
If you want to discount on something, like, there has to be a reason someone regrets having the player on their team.
So it has to feel a little yucky if you want to discount.
Hi, Fitz.
This guy has catchphrases.
I'm just saying, it's true.
Hi, Fitz.
Did you ever watch Master of Nun, the Aziz Ansari Show on Netflix?
Yes.
Do you know how one of like the biggest takeaways from that show was as he was trying to date women and find people he was on a dating app, he had a great pickup line, right?
His like his hinge or Tinder or whatever app he was using his pickup line was the first thing he said to a girl was, I'm going to run to Whole Foods.
Do you want me to pick you up anything?
And everybody thought that was great.
Do you have any pickup line that you recommend for people to text trade partners to like make them feel comfortable?
Because it's hard usually to go right after them.
You don't want to be too much of a shark and scare them off.
What is your tactic to kind of easily, you know, suggest a trade?
This is giving away trade secrets here.
Do you, I actually, I'll tell you, do you want to make a trade?
Is that what you do?
Just come right out with it.
Because you know what?
Some people are like, not really.
Some people are like, not really.
And I'm like, cool.
And then we're like, yeah, maybe.
And then I'm like, what do you want?
I swear to God.
That's so refreshing.
I like, you know why?
Would you be willing to part ways with anyone on your team or something like that?
Yeah, because I think you have to thread the needle between, one, ask about them and put two seconds of thought into thinking about their team.
Start with that. How are you doing? It's been a while. Let's catch up.
Yeah, exactly.
Start with that because it feels so ingenuous.
I think that's the thing.
My team offended if someone did that.
It's so annoying.
Hey, I haven't talked to you to a while. How you doing?
Anyway, do you want to do a trade?
You send like three paragraphs about how you're really struggling right now.
Like, anyway, trade, yeah.
Sorry, I'm reading that.
Sorry that happened to you or happy for you.
Like, oh, fuck, they told me how they're doing.
It's awful.
I like, I do, I do like the, hey, do you want to make a trade?
Like, it's like, hey, I'm bored.
Let's do something.
Let's shake things up.
Half the people are like, no, I have a child.
Thanks, though.
Let's live a little.
And then, I don't know.
The other one is.
Let's get weird.
Let's get weird right now.
Don't ask about their best player.
It's rude.
Let's get hopped up.
It makes some bad decisions.
Also, Lil Dickie, who I interviewed a couple times told me his pickup line that worked very well
for him was, on a scale of 1 to 10,
how open are you to being hit on right now?
Oh, I think he does that in the show.
Dave.
That's such a good line.
Yeah.
So it's essentially the same thing.
Very similar.
Just put three seconds of thought to what someone else wants.
We'll get started here soon, I swear.
Have you guys seen the TikTok trend?
I don't know if it's a trend, but every once in a while,
it's like I see a video of a guy who just says the best game I've ever seen.
And it's just, maybe it's like all staged,
but it's just like a guy going up to a girl at a party or on the street or something.
And he's just like so effortlessly smooth.
and comfortable,
and it's like not weird at all.
And I just,
I actually really enjoy watching those.
I don't know why.
It's just like so impressive.
It's like watching Michael Jordan work.
It's like watching Picasso paint.
So on that note,
let's,
let's see if we can paint some Sistine chapels
right here with some trades.
All right.
So we're going to go through Bailos
and again,
every two minutes you're going to hear this sound.
Love, love me some Tom Tom Club.
All right.
Number one, and again,
these are Bailos.
And you know what?
If you're kind of like,
why would I want to trade for that person?
Yeah.
That's the point.
Starting with number one, my guy, DJ Moore and Roma Dunesay receivers to the Bears.
You know why?
Because it couldn't be lower.
All that you see, any NFL fan checks the news.
Bears suck.
Bears suck.
Bears suck.
Everyone there is miserable.
This is the lowest they'll be all season.
And frankly.
Patriots defensive linemen helping Caleb Williams up while offensive linemen.
I'll just stand around him.
That should be a rule that anyone who gets fired if your quarterback's helped up by defense.
But in short, this is just by the dip.
Like that's as simple as that.
We've seen DJ Moore be a top 15 receiver.
Roma Dunezai was a top 10 pick in the draft.
Anyone who's Romadunzee is debating cutting him.
You can probably get him for a kick, like a really great kicker or a defense.
Yeah, he's probably cheap.
People probably going to cut Roma Dunezai.
DJ Moore is not starting for anyone who has him.
He's a bench player.
You can play a bench price.
I don't know if the bears are going to rebound.
You have to pay very little to find out because no one's playing DJ Moore for weeks.
And if anyone's like trying to make a playoff push, they're not playing them.
for the rest of the November.
So I think that there is extremely available.
Yeah.
From a positive regression point of view,
like we believe in positive regression,
especially if,
you know,
this offensive coordinator change
actually helps kill Williams a lot.
He,
DJ Moore has a 24% target rate,
which is 12th among all receivers.
Obviously,
he's not doing a lot with that target rate yet.
But he is a focal point of this offense.
He's getting a ton of first read targets.
And he has historically been a very good player.
So there's a lot of like reasons that logically this makes sense to me.
I think it's gross, but it makes sense logically.
Why are you not mentioning Keenan Allen?
You could do Keenan Allen too.
You could do Keenan Allen too.
Even I'm a little skeptical.
It's the grossest.
It's the grossest.
But it's the same thing.
I think it's the same thing for all of them, honestly.
Again, I know that this is not the sexiest advice, but that's the thing is beggars can't be choosers.
I just really think that it's a bear's offense become.
I mean, think about it if they're even average down the stretch.
DG Moore could be huge.
So, all right, there's my bear's takes.
Craig, number two, fantasy bylaws through, or just before the trade deadline,
you have Jailud Waddle, the receiver for the Dolphins.
This one shocked me.
I couldn't believe it.
Failed you on Monday football, had 55 yards on the first drive, and then just ghosted you.
Left you at the restaurant.
I'm like Jerry Jones.
I'm doubling down.
No curtains.
You want to talk about
By the Dip?
This is the all-time
Buy the Dip.
Our Waddle model,
which is players
that either outperform
or underperform their
projections every week.
Waddle has done that
one time.
Week one,
since week one,
he has not scored
more than his projection.
And like two weeks ago,
Waddle with the negative
20-yard play,
finding new ways to ruin my life.
Last week,
honestly,
Monday night,
he kind of introduced
a new wrinkle.
Went nuclear in one drive,
had 55 yards
in the first.
Most yards in any game since week one were on the first drive for Miami.
Yes, 55 yards in the first series.
It was on pace for, I don't know, 700 yards in that game or something like that.
And then ended the game with 57, only two more yards the rest of the game.
Did we get an explanation for why you dropped that pass?
There was a pass that?
Honestly, he was kind of doing the CD Lamb.
Like, there was something in my eyes.
But I think...
He saw something. The lights.
It looks like when, like, you airball a shot at the gym and you, like, look at your hand.
As if there's some issue.
Something's up with my wrist.
Yeah.
Like when you trip, Jackie's biggest ick is if I trip and look at the ground, like it's the ground's fault.
Right.
I think the real issue was that he was genuinely shocked the ball was thrown to him, so he wasn't compared.
But honestly, my other reason is that we kind of found out on Monday night that Tyree Kill is a torn ligament in his wrist.
And he's playing through it.
And it's kind of getting worse, it sounds like.
And he didn't know if he was going to play.
And his quote was, I don't know what to do.
I've never been injured before, which I don't, that's kind of, he definitely has a reflex.
Yeah.
So fast, he's like, I've never been hit in my time.
30 years.
But like, look, the Dolphins won this game.
They have an outside shot at making the playoffs.
This team is not giving up.
And Tyree Kill has a banged up wrist.
I think there's a scenario here in which, I mean, look, it can't get any worse.
And it can get a lot better.
It always gets worse.
I don't actually think it can't get worse for Jaylon.
Well, just for right now, Ian Hart, it's a fantasy life tweeted out that Jalen Waddle is the same targets
and basically the exact same amount of catches in yards as John Smith this year, the Dolphins' tight end.
And so they have the exact, exact same amount of PPR fantasy points this year for John Smith and Jail Waddle.
But if you factor in the fact that John Hussmith's a tight end, you actually would have been better off the season just playing John Hsmith at Tide End than Jalen Waddle at receiver every week this season.
That doesn't even include where you drafted them.
That's just true if you had them for free.
But just think about you, I mean, you could literally get Jalen Waddle for nothing.
If you could probably trade Jalen Warren right now and get Jalen Waddle.
I've debated if you're a playoff.
Jailen Hyatt.
just cutting Jalen Waddle.
All the Jailets.
And just letting like a superior team get him as a sleeper agent to ruin them from with them.
Oh, that's interesting.
Foist him.
Yeah.
Like Deonté Johnson.
I'm sure this is what the Steelers do to do, the Ravens.
They'll derail the Super Bowl run.
It's a double agent.
Are you guys on board with this at all or no way?
I wonder if I'm worried for you.
Do you have Stockholm syndrome?
I have stock in Jalen Waddle.
I didn't have what I have.
Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah.
I don't know where I lay.
on this one, Craig.
Is he not the definition of a bylaw?
No, he's definitely the definition.
I am deranged.
I'm deranged.
You're right.
Jesus.
Am I so sane?
So sane.
That I just blew your mind.
The next one up here is we have Brian Robinson, Jr.,
the running back for the Washington commanders, DK.
Yo.
Why is he a bylaw?
So first off, there might be some fantasy managers out there are starting to panic.
Kind of sick of waiting for him to return.
He's been in.
injured with this knee injury for that last couple of weeks, been a little bit off and on.
And so I think there's a chance like if, if you have a manager that's like kind of just
wanting to get out and have like a more like just a playable, more playable guy right now.
I think Brian Robinson is a great buy for like the finish like the rest of the season, even at like past this week.
Weeks one through five, he was averaging almost 15 points per game and have PPR.
He was tied for third in the NFL and touchdowns during that stretch.
And he had 95% of the teams inside.
the five yard line carry.
So he was like their goal line, you know, guy getting all those carries.
This is a good offense.
They're getting into the red zone.
They're moving to football.
They're scoring a lot of points.
Obviously, I think the fear with him was, is, uh, is the quarterback just going to, like,
take all the keepers at the goal line and kind of like steal like Jalen Hertz style, um, with Jalen
Daniels, but with Jane Daniels.
But I think they've shown like restraint and, and they've shown the ability just, they just want
to give it to their running backs of like not risk getting Daniels hurt.
So I don't think that Echler is like a big threat to him.
I think they really liked kind of like the mixup that they had going with Echler and Robinson.
And Robinson is like the powerback, the goal line guy, the short yardage guy.
And so I think he has a real chance to be like a big time player down the stretch for a fantasy team.
And I don't think he's going to be that expensive.
I don't think he had reputational.
He's like not a big name.
And he hasn't played for a few weeks.
Just make sure that people know you're trading for Brian Robinson,
not Bijon Robinson because the price would be a lot higher.
Right, right.
Bijon.
Yeah, D.K.
Brian Robinson has played the highest percentage of snaps inside the five-yard line than any running back in the league this year.
Oh, yeah.
There you go.
Washington, one, not only do they run the ball more than any team in the league.
They also run the ball in the red zone more than any team in the league.
So I like this a lot.
I love this.
My dad, all he told me in the run-up to the draft was draft Brian Robinson, Jr.
And then the Giants didn't.
And then he talks about it all the time.
So, yeah, every time he scores against the Giants, I hear about it.
All right. Next up here. T. Higgins, the receiver for Cincinnati. So is our theme here, Craig, just take bad receivers who are hurt.
How dare you? T has not been bad.
Sorry, bad receivers or injured receivers. T's good but hurt. And then Waddle is bad or invisible.
The other option is trade for good players who are healthy. That's pretty hard to do.
That's true. I guess that is why you got to buy low.
You should call it by hurt.
Yeah. T. Higgan. So Jemar Chase has obviously been very hot, right? Just had like the biggest game of his
career last week. And I would say people have been very frustrated with Higgins, including myself.
He's been out. He's missed basically half the games this year. But this is another team like Miami,
like the Bengals have to go on the run. They're not out of it yet. They're one of the best
passing teams in the league. And when you actually look at the stats of T. Higgins and Jemar
Chase when they're playing together, they've played five games together this season. T. Higgins has
eight more targets than Shamar Chase does this year when they're on the field together. He has a higher
target share. He has more red zone and end zone targets when they're on the field. Chase is getting
he's like big explosive plays, a lot of them when T. Higgins is out.
But when these guys are on the field together, they're actually much closer in production
than you think they are.
And T. Higgins, much like Chase, also is a guy who generates big plays, but it hasn't really
done that this year. I think that's more of like an aberration than a trend of anything.
But he's actually has the most targets per game he's had in his entire career, Higgins, when he's
field this year, nine targets a game he's getting.
So I think people are probably really frustrated with them.
And I also think maybe someone's like, you know what, Jamar Chase is going nuts.
This is not T. Higgins's year.
And I disagree.
I think when these two guys are playing,
the ball is distributed pretty equally between the two of them.
I think this is really smart.
What do you think, DK?
Yeah, I like this because it's like trying to trade for Jamar Chase right now is like the guy who just scored 50.
Like, sure.
But if you want sort of like the arbitrage version of this, the guy, a very good player in this offense with Joe Burrow.
You know, this is a very past first offense, all that stuff, all the stuff you want to see in fantasy.
And almost the 30% target rate when both him and Chase are in, which is huge.
And so, yeah, yeah, I like to.
lot. I think Higgins is one, again, he's
kind of like this every year, but he's like one of the more underrated
receivers in the league right now.
And if he can stay healthy,
yeah, he has a real chance to like be
a league winning type of player down the stretch.
They're much closer to equals
than fantasy stats and
kind of the public sentiment in my own personal comments would suggest.
Next one here at DK, you have Jordan loves a by-love
quarterback for the Green Bay Packers.
A QB. Why not?
Here's the deal. I think among
quarterbacks that aren't like super mobile like he's not a quote unquote like dual threat
quarterback he has i think some of the one of the highest upsides of the like i guess pocket passing
quarterbacks that you'd say um so you're not going to have to get you're not going to have to
spend big like the lamar jackson jalen hurts kiler murray or whatever those types of quarterbacks in the
nfl right now um but he can he uh gives you like 18 19 point average uh which is like
kind of rare in the NFL and so um he he's coming off a groin and
I think that's affected his play a little bit over the last couple of weeks.
Obviously, he had the injury early in the season.
Still on the bone, though, as far as we know.
Not the brisket situation.
Not as wonderful as the DAC situation.
No, it's not wonderful for Jordan Love.
He's still playing.
I think just like overall, the vibes have really like soured a little bit with Jordan Love.
People were really excited about him early in the season.
Now the vibes are off.
I think this is a good opportunity to buy low on him.
He's got a very good play caller in the Fleur.
He's got good talent around him.
like a lot of depth around him.
And if you go to starting all the way back to last year,
he's averaged over 18 points for game,
which is seventh best among all quarterbacks.
For reference,
Jaden Daniels is averaging 19 this year.
So it's not as sexy as like a dual threat guy,
but I think Jordan Love,
especially like the style he plays with.
He's like a yolo type of like passer.
He's not afraid to like chuck it down the field.
I think he gives you some of that upside
without, you know, costing quite as much as like some of these other like
more sexy name.
Yeah, if you look at, we're heading into week 11.
If you look at week 11 on last year from week 11 to week 18,
Jordan Love was the number three quarterback in fantasy.
This team has just been really beat up the whole year.
And I feel like it's just been weird circumstances for this team
since the beginning of the season when they played on that slip and slide in Brazil
and Jordan Love got hurt and Christian Watson got hurt.
And I do think that if I had to pick one team to explode over the second half of the season,
it is the Packers who had to buy this week and have all their receivers healthy for really the first time.
Yeah.
So I think this is a great call.
All right.
next up we have very near and dear to Craig's heart.
Ladd McConkey.
My boy Ladd.
Leather for the L.A. Chargers.
I love Lad.
I love Lad.
Ladd's been good.
I would not say he's been great.
At least he's been great on the field.
He's been great for the team.
Fantasy-wise, he's been all right.
There's been a bit of a boom offensively for the Chargers the last four or five weeks.
But what's funny is that Ladd-McConkey has been the only guy who hasn't really benefited from that.
if you look at Herbert and how much he's dropping back,
the first six weeks of the season, 27 passes a game.
The last four weeks, 34 passes a game.
So he's literally throwing 25% more passes per game,
and it hasn't translated yet for Ladd.
Ladd has only cracked double-digit fantasy points once
over that hot four-week stretch for the Chargers.
Look at the rest of the season.
Again, this is a team that has been throwing more.
Next week, they're playing Sinty,
then Baltimore, Atlanta, Kansas City, the Bucks.
those are three of the worst
seven past defenses in the league.
These are all going to be high-scoring games
except for maybe weirdly the Chiefs game.
But I think Ladd could be like a legit
top-10 guy rest of season.
If you look under the hood,
all those stats are awesome for Ladd.
Like the yards per route run,
the man coverage.
He's doing some pretty crazy things
in terms of when Herbert's is Blitz,
who he's throwing to.
Ladd in the second half of the year,
rookie argument,
they always blow up.
I mean, Ladder's already been really,
really good.
And I think it,
It's been a bit of an aberration that his fantasy performance hasn't translated.
So I think he could absolutely explode.
I love this one.
I love all the rookie receivers.
I think it makes sense to glad.
I mean,
I think Ladd is like the lead of all the rookie receivers that makes sense.
But I mean,
I like this for rookie parasol.
I like this even for Xavier Worthy for the Chiefs.
Xavier Leggett is an ad.
You can make on waivers for fantasy.
Roma Dunsay,
who I think will get cut soon by people.
Like Brian Thomas,
who's a by-low because he was doing great,
but now with Mac Jones.
AD Mitchell for the Colts is a guy you can add,
like all the receivers that were taken to the top 50,
I think are really good either like players to add on waivers
or like Craig said, like a train.
I think this is a great one.
Ladd is just, he passes the eye test for me.
He just looks really good.
He just has it.
The vibes are good in L.A.
Herbert loves Harbaugh.
What do we call in Herbert now?
Because he's not hobbled anymore.
Healthy Herbert.
Healthy Herbert.
I'm trying to think anything better than Healthy Herbert.
Healthy's not good.
That was off the dome.
Harbaugh dropping that pass was really funny
that Herbert threw him before the game.
He was so mad at himself.
I want them to have like a Robin Big
like reality show.
Yeah.
They are like a,
I mean,
he literally has a bus.
He's an RV.
Yeah,
you should just film that.
Next up.
By-law,
I have Trey McBride the tight end from Arizona.
And then I kind of anticipated Craig
yelling at me that Trey McBride's not a buy low
because he's not.
He's a buy high and I actually think you should buy low.
You should buy high.
And so I also just think Sam Lipporteur,
a tight end for the lines.
And I kind of think
there are two ends
of a similar spectrum.
But McBride,
look,
it's not easy to trade
for tight ends.
It's almost impossible
to trade for a good
tight end.
McRide's the number three
tight end on the season.
He's not caught a touchdown
this year.
He's the number three tight end.
He has a rushing touchdown.
I think McBride
is easily the number one
of his tight end
and fantasy going forward.
I also weirdly swear
that a crazy amount of leagues,
the guy who has trade McBride
or whoever has trade McBride
also is Tucker Kraft.
I swear because
the week the trade McBride missed for a concussion.
A lot of people added Tucker Kraft.
So there's a lot of leagues.
I mean,
so there's a weird opportunity.
I think there's a weird opportunity to get McBride or Chucker Craft
because McBride's been good.
And I would pay like he's great because he's going to be great going forward.
But I also know it's really hard to get that done.
So I'd also just say Sam Laporta, shoulder injury,
maybe missing this week.
If someone has, has Sam Lipporter but really needs to win this week or the next couple weeks,
I think Sam Lipporte is acquirable.
And I like both.
I don't think he's as good as Trey McBride rest of the year,
but I think that those are two tight ends have a target.
I like that.
Sam Lipport has been such a frustrating one for me this season.
Obviously, last year he was the Tid end one overall in fantasy.
Ten touchdowns.
And yeah, we talked about how he's probably due to regress in the touchdown department.
I just didn't expect him to regress so much, like so dramatically and just the amount of targets that he gets.
Obviously, James and Williams coming on has been a big deal.
But yeah, I don't know what to think.
of Leporta. I don't know. Are you confident?
Do you thinking that he's going to get, do you thinking he's going to get more targets going
forward? Like a higher target rate?
I do. And I do. And then also, it's little things. Like he was tackled at the five-yard
line in that Texans game. Like, he scored a touchdown. He should have scored two touchdowns.
I think it, frankly, the touchdowns last year were, there's a little randomness that goes
on with getting 10. There's also a little randomness with having like two with all. I think,
I think, frankly, he is going to be a larger part of the offense going forward. So I like
LePore a lot. It's weird how little tight ends are scoring this year, don't you think?
that's like, Tray McBride has zero touchdowns.
Travis Kelsey has two.
Jake Ferguson is like tied for fifth among all tight ends and targets.
He doesn't have a touchdown.
It's very low scoring year for tight ends.
I think there's a lot of reasons going into it.
I think one of them is that as teams have more tight ends on the field,
paradoxically you'd think that more tight ends on the field for two tight ends sets to run the ball more would lead to more tight end catches.
But I think what's actually happening is there's also more three and two-man route concepts.
So you actually have more frequently a tight end staying into block sometimes.
And I think that sometimes to play action, you're only having a receiver, two receivers you're really looking at or maybe the backup tight ends going out on the route.
So like I don't, I think that they're, I actually would be interested in pulling up the hood and seeing if there's just more three man concepts this season.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It is a weird thing.
Also, I just think they need people to block, frankly.
I think that was September alone.
Like, I think when you go from like 25 touchdowns to four in week one, part of me thinks that they just need a tight end to stay in and block more, frankly.
Next up here, D.K., you have Baila, you have Devante Adams receiver for the Jets.
Wow.
Yeah.
So look, I get that the Jets are disaster and the vibes aren't good with Aaron Rogers and he hasn't had a 300 plus yard game in like a couple of years.
I get all that.
I understand.
And that's why I think Devante Adams is acquirable.
I think people are probably like, I got to get out from this Jets thing.
The Jets are not nearly as good as we thought they were going to be.
You know, you might be able to, I don't know, give up like a RV2 type or even worse to acquire.
Defante Adams at this point.
But I do think if you look at like the underlying numbers for what he's done so far.
Get under the hood.
Yeah, get under the hood.
Basically, you look back to anything, like going back to 2017.
Every season, he's averaged more than nine targets a game.
Every season.
That's like basically all I need to say right now.
But like the last two weeks since he became a jet, 13 targets, 11 targets.
He actually, he underperformed his volume-based expectation according to fantasy points last week by 15 fantasy points.
Like based on his volume, you should have had 15 more fantasy points.
He did have six.
So obviously that, you know, another good reason to like go and try and see if you can get like somebody to bite on this.
But I don't know, man, I just think with the chemistry that he and Aaron Rogers have the experience together, like they're going to get it worked out a little bit.
At the very least, I think they're going to get on the same page and like there's going to be production there.
I don't know if the Jets offense is going to be good ever at this point this year.
But like in half PBR and PBR, I think Adams is a value right now because of the.
you know, the positive regression due to his volume in this offense.
So you think I could trade like, I'm just kind of making some up here.
This definitely is not a real life example from my league.
Like J.K. Dobbins for Devont-Adams.
Do you like that? Something like that?
I think you might be able to do that.
Yeah, maybe.
I think it's always, it's like, you guys are always like, oh, I think you try and get into the minds of people.
And I think everyone is a wild card. People are weird. People will make weird trades.
There's weird trades in every one of my leagues, like almost every week.
Just text them.
I'm going a whole food.
Do you want to make a trade?
You just got to butter them up, you know?
Like, how you've been?
I haven't seen you in a while.
How are your children?
His names I don't know.
Say, how do you mother for me?
Have you ever seen that SNL sketch?
Andy Sandberg plays Mark Wahlberg and all he does me.
How you doing?
Say, how do you mother for me?
You didn't get Wahlberg.
Are you doing it as Wahlberg?
That's all I can do.
Samberg doing,
that's like how people,
whenever like Sal does an impression of Bill,
I can just do an impression of Sal doing an impression of Bill.
I can't do Bill.
Of these, which is your favorite one that you didn't suggest?
Mine is T. Higgins from Craig.
I like that one a lot.
And just Ladd McConkintude, all the rookie receivers.
I don't like any of them.
I think kind of just mine.
I would say Ladd.
I would say lad.
I like getting on the train of like a rookie receiver having a huge second half.
And he's not going to be expensive.
I like DJ Moore.
I think DJ Moore is so talented.
And Caleb is so talented.
And getting rid of Waldron,
new coach theory.
Only way to go was up.
I mean, DJ Moore is like the wide receiver in 90.
You could literally get him for nothing.
I think that the two,
yeah,
the two players that were top 30 picks
that I think the managers
would give you anything for it.
DJ Moore and also Travis CTN,
I think are the two most disappointing players
position players and Waddle.
But Waddle's like a multi-year running bit
because at least Tua was,
you know what I mean?
I think the thing with Wadle is
if you know, you know,
where it's like even when Tua was healthy
and leading the league in yards,
Waddle still sucked.
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Time for some fantasy court.
Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.
I don't really want to be handcuffed.
The definition of an object is a material thing
can be seen and touched.
I have a TMZ story here
before we get in Fantasy Court.
Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey's
homes were burglarized.
They were burgled.
Burgled.
They were burgled.
Were they burgled or burglarized?
I prefer burgled.
I think the common way of saying it nowadays
is burglarized.
I think burglars is technically correct, though.
Burgles sounds like the name of a clown.
Burgles?
The hamburglers.
The hamburglers.
The hamburglers is coming to the birthday party.
Yeah.
Burgles the clowns coming to.
the birthday party.
The worst clown name ever.
He just steals shit from your house.
I'm terrified of this clown.
That's a great idea for a horror film.
It's a clown who robs you.
I hate this clown.
Eat that clown.
Yeah, it's like some gas station or lay at three in the morning.
No, but yeah.
So I just Kelsey and homes.
Their houses were burglarized, burgled.
Burgled.
During the Monday of football game versus the Falcons, I believe.
During Monday of football.
And I just couldn't believe that we had this
entire conversation about burglary, and then the story happened.
Wait, wait, during this Monday night football game yesterday?
No, well, they were playing in Monday and a football a month ago.
We just found out today, though.
Oh, damn, that's a bummer.
Was it the same guy, or was it like a coordinated effort, I imagine?
They think it was the same guy, went to both houses.
Wow, what a, I mean, that's ballsy.
Yeah.
Well, during the game, not that ballsy.
It's like, they'll never be home at this time.
Like, don't you think there's enough in Patrick Mahomes's house to satiate you?
You have to go.
I got a Kelsey too.
To another guy's house.
Damn.
Just one last job, Craig.
It's all we need.
All right.
So with that said, you know, just watch out for the burglary.
All right.
So we got a fantasy court case here.
I don't know.
For the burglary.
I don't know, man.
Good advice.
We have a court case here from Logan.
Logs.
Logs.
I'm my friend from high school, Logan, we call him logs.
That's good.
I like that.
Yeah.
All right.
Loggs.
Logan says,
I'm the commissioner
of our work fantasy league
that is rightly named,
quote,
the league of no integrity.
Oh,
spicy,
doing that at work.
Sounds like a Netflix show.
Yeah,
the ungentlemanly league
of,
ungentlemanly warfare.
Yeah,
there's something.
It's like,
yeah,
anyway,
go ahead.
I know,
the league of,
yeah.
The league of whatever,
yeah.
It's common practice
for all members
to break as many rules
as possible to win.
I kind of love this league already.
Yeah, I know.
This is fun.
Logan says the buy-in for this league is $50,
and there has been multiple instances
where someone paid $300 or more
for their opponent to throw a game or bench a player.
So this is just the purge league.
The purge as a league.
And so for this particular instance,
two members made a bet outside of fantasy football,
and the bet was agreed.
Whoever lost their matchup would trade the other,
their best player for the other person's kicker.
Wow.
Which is pretty...
That is a ballsy bet right there.
So if you win, you get their best player.
It's like pink slips for fast and furious.
I love it.
The buying's only 50 bucks,
and there's a guy paying $300 to win an individual matchup.
You really get a...
Sounds like you work with a bunch of degenerate gamblers.
You're limiting your winning possibilities there.
So the bet, so they agreed on the bet.
Member A put down the pink slip basically on CD Lamb.
And member B said, you know, he was like,
my best player is George Kittle.
Well, Member B lost, so he'd have to send him to George Kittle,
but he did not actually have George Kittle on his team.
He lied.
Oh, my God.
Now, the guy who was supposed to get...
He sold him a bill of goods.
Yeah, the guy who's supposed to get George Kittle,
is pleading to be the commissioner to force Member B
to trade his best player who's actually Bruce Hall.
And member B is saying it's not his fault that member A did not do any due diligence
to check to make sure George Kittle was actually on his team.
He didn't look at the matchup and look at the other...
guys team? I guess not. He trusted that it was Kittle? In the league of no integrity. So the
commissioner asks, do I reward incompetence and uphold honor by letting member A get Brise Hall for member
B? Or do I punish member A for winning an honest bet, but failing to do his due diligence.
I don't know. This league seems to be boring out of chaos. So I think this is allowed. I mean,
I agree. Come on. It's kind of sick. It's like the thieves code or whatever. It's like,
Yeah, you know what?
It's literally like, it's, this guy is like trying to ask the commissioner for integrity.
Yeah, right.
It's not the league called.
It's called the league of no integrity.
Not the league of some integrity.
It's literally like, looking around the room.
He's like, just no one here of integrity?
It's like, no, dude.
That's what the side on the door is for.
I don't think you're allowed to complain to the commissioner about anything in this league.
There shouldn't even be a commissioner, really.
Yeah.
I think the team who faked out the guy
and pretended to have George Kittle should be rewarded.
He should get two of his,
the two best players.
Send CD land to that guy.
It's like double the pleasure deceiving the deceiver.
Oh my God.
This is good.
I love this.
Should we still?
The league of no integrity is pretty incredible.
I want to play in a league like this.
Shockingly, I've never heard of something like, this is great.
Every time we would be in person,
cheating is just freaking encouraged.
I would steal.
K's phone and try to drop all his best players.
Craig, I was literally thinking, like,
you can't give anyone your phone.
Never.
Gonna get burgled.
Yeah, I'm going to burgle your roster.
Oh, my God.
Burglary on the fantasy team.
Dude, this is good.
This is really good.
Yeah, we got to do this.
Should we do it and invite logs into this league next year?
Let's do it.
Logs.
Oh, should that be the reward for this guy who duped them?
It's like, that guy, the reward is you get to be in this league with us.
You get to be in the purge league?
Yeah, purge league.
All right, we're going to do this.
Great, great job.
This is the big leagues now.
All right.
I'm not going to lie.
This next one's not as fun, but it's just from a redacted.
Yeah, how do you follow that?
This is the best zombie league.
They have a zombie team in their league.
One of their teams was ran by the commissioners, younger sisters' boyfriend.
Okay.
And they broke up between the draft and week one.
And so he wants nothing to do with his ex-girlfriend's older brother's fantasy league now.
So he will not play.
And they try to replace him on like two days notice and they couldn't.
they just decided to disable the team, add players from waiver, whatever.
The commissioner decided to do nothing.
So it's a zombie team and just floating about.
And the zombie has zero wins on the year because he had Christian McCaffrey and then injuries and buys.
And so the decision never affected anyone until now because now Christian McCaffrey is back.
And so there is Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Mark Andrews, and Christian McAfree, which looks a hell of a lot better in October, November than it did in September.
And so.
this really is the zombie.
Zombie team looks like the best team in the league now all of a sudden.
And our spineless commissioner wants to, quote, revisit disabling the team and wants to perhaps distribute the players prior to the playoff run.
How do we handle this heel turn?
And what should the punishment be?
I mean, you have to let this ride, right?
Yeah, you let it ride.
This goes back to the rule I kind of proposed where it's like, you know, in the NFL when if there's a penalty or like there's a.
that's on you're unsure if they really made the catch they go and if they've run another play
it's in it's in the record books like you can't go back after that point um i feel like if they've
been doing this for weeks and weeks and weeks they can't all of a sudden change it now so i almost
think now i think i'm kind of merging these last two fantasy court cases together because i think
in our purge league next year it would almost be funny if there was a team run by no one in the
league every year and and every week there was somebody who had to play the no name team
You know, it's like playing the CPU in a video game or something.
Like, it'd be funny if there was a team we had to play that was just like a random collection
of players that no one was running that couldn't be at or drop.
The control.
The control.
Yeah, the control is like most, you could kind of treat it as like a buy week for your fantasy team,
but every once in a while you would lose.
It's like playing the Panthers or something.
This is kind of fun.
You know what radicalized me about how ridiculous fantasy football is?
I had a friend who one of our good, my best friends from high school.
This is the guy, this is, yeah, 5-08 Jackson.
and um oh yeah what he's a maniac five wife jackson he just um wife five times he goes about
his wife jackson i was like whoa that would be more reasonable than five wife jacson and um anyway
he doesn't care how many like how it feels he's just going five and then leaving he used to we talked
him out of it risky anyway uh jackson is a cowboy's he was zero wife jackson until he changed the five
wife, yeah.
So Jackson, it's a Cowboys fan, didn't really want to play fantasy football.
So he was like, could I just take all Cowboys?
I was like, yeah, sure, just be in the league.
So he literally drafted all Dallas Cowboys.
And the only person he took that was not a cowboy was Dallas Goddard because his name was Dallas.
So it was literally just a team of Cowboys.
Right.
This is two years ago.
He started 0 and 7.
He then won seven consecutive games to finish 7 and 7.
Nice.
He missed the playoffs by like five points four on a tiebreaker.
And if he had made the playoffs, he would have won the league.
Because the way the Cowboys finished the season, never set his lineup one time.
This is a good argument.
So he just took the L in the Byweek.
Yeah, he took the L on the Byweek.
And I think he did start swapping the players, running backs got hurt.
But like he literally just played Dallas Cowboys and had Dallas got her.
And that was it.
And Dallas, who's the other running back?
There's a running back named Dallas.
He had that guy too.
DJ Dallas.
DJ Dallas.
Dallas got her.
And that was when I realized
how stupid this whole profession is.
It would be pretty fun to also do a fantasy league
where you can only draft players from one team.
You have to draft according to like a theme.
I like theme drafting.
Yeah, theme parties.
Yeah, there's something there.
It's like everybody has to be five foot nine.
Yeah, that's the Halloween league or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
You want to do a couple emails?
Emails.
Wait, can I read an email?
Oh, please.
Yeah, that's right.
Whoa.
Wow. I can read emails.
This is weird.
Yeah.
We got an email from, let me pull it up here.
Seth.
Seth.
Guys, earlier this year, Craig made an offhand comment about how he sits to pee at home and stands when he's out.
And I didn't really think much of it.
But then I was having one of those standing peas where the sunlight hits across the toilet area.
And like some crystal clear rain up against the stadium light, I could see just how massive the spray of
droplets was. All the spray everywhere.
So he thought, you know what, I'm going to give the old
sit and leak a try. Life has
never been the same. Not only
is it more comfortable, but it is also way more effective
at getting everything out. Plus, I have a
small cabinet directly across from my toilet so when I
pee, I can lean forward for some quick, amazing
30-second dad naps. After months
of this, I've now come to learn... He takes a nap whilst
peeing? Sure. Look,
it's a long pee. After months
of this, I've now come to learn that not only
is this way more common around the world,
but the Germans even have a word for men
who sit and pee.
Sitz pinklers.
I literally have not stood to pee.
Did you check that?
I did.
It's real.
I have the article out.
Sitz pinklers is a term.
Sitz pinkler.
It's actually, it's singular and plural.
Sits pinkler, no S.
And yet Germans are basically trying to force men to sit and pee.
And they have something called a, I don't know how to pronounce it.
Is there like a whole alpha thing happening in Germany too if you pee sitting down?
You're not Alpha or you're whatever.
No, they don't make fun of you for that there.
They used to make fun of you if you sit and pee, and now they're trying to outlaw that.
They've instituted something called the toilet ghost.
The toilet ghost in Germany, first marketed in Germany in 2004, it's something that is placed under the toilet seat.
And as a man lifts the seat to pee, a voice, a voice message requests that you return the seat back to its original position.
And it used to be voices like Angela Merkel.
If you would lift up the toilet seat, it would tell you to put it back to.
down and they called it the toilet ghost.
The government is watching you right now.
I just thought that was nuts.
Sitz Pinkler.
Sits Pinkler? So they're doing this because it's healthier?
Yeah, healthier and more hygienic.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So I'm a Sitzpinkler.
I'm kind of a pioneer in America.
Sitz Pinkler is so good.
Oh, that's great.
Anyway, sorry to hijack the e-bell.
I just thought that was really funny.
We love German words here.
That's hilarious.
Sit and pee.
Give it a shot, man.
Wake up in the middle of the night.
Sit.
It's great.
There's nothing better.
you don't have to feel like you're in a rush you know
I literally sit and be 100% of the time at home
I switch it up to be totally honest
oh do you it's better in the dark like if it's in the middle of the night
like you know how like sometimes you're like sleepy and you're pretty
confident you can go back to sleep but if you turn the lights on
you don't know what's going to happen that's where I like
the middle of the night that that's like a very
blissful state of being where you're kind of sitting and being
like half asleep I like it I'll get at 3 p.m. wide awake
right after the show ends
There's no scenario in which I'm standing up.
That's correct.
I'm outside of the house.
I'm at a curiosity, when you're like at a bar or somewhere where you're not home,
and do you feel a little rusty?
No.
It's like riding a bike.
Somebody tweeted at me, by the way, and said,
thank you for the life hack of counting down from 10 if you have like a shy bladder in public spaces.
You know, when someone's like standing right next to you when you're trying to pee at a bar?
It works.
I'm telling you it works.
I just saw a tweet or TikTok some video or something about a guy had an idea for a belt buckle
that if you pressed it, it makes the sound of peeing so that when you go up in a urinal and you're nervous,
there's two guys around you, you hit the belt buckle.
And for 10 seconds, it sounds like you're peeing.
So the guys aren't like, what's this guy's deal?
Why isn't you peeing?
He's just standing here next to me.
That's really funny.
God, they thought of everything.
They thought of everything.
You just pushed the belt button.
What if you brush up against a belt buckle
like when you're doing?
Yeah.
What if you're accident
and just starts sounding like you're peeing.
Yeah,
you're at work in a meeting.
You're only wearing that to like a crowded bar,
I would have.
That's really funny.
Oh, man.
That sounds like some gentleman's piss club merch.
That's one of our first items.
Oh, that's good.
Oh, that's.
I'm into that.
All right, well, the rest of the emails,
we go to directions.
Do you want to stay in the bathroom
or do you want to stay in Germany?
Wait,
those are the two choices?
Wow.
Yeah, let's stay in Germany.
Okay.
So, this was,
from Jonas. Jonas.
We asked what Germans thought about the Sean Hockily speaking in German.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jonas says pretty cringe.
Cute that he tried.
Honestly, no one in Germany is using any of those words.
We just say offense and false start in English.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Sean Hockely has no aura, and a lot of Germans agreed with Craig that it's kind of like...
It's kind of like trying to roll your airs in a Mexican restaurant.
Like, just like don't.
It's like saying Bartholona.
And then Jonas,
I was in Parthalona.
It'd be the fuck out.
Don't betha.
And so,
Ibitha.
And so Jonas then continued also.
Do you guys remember when the happened,
Trevon Diggs, the Cowboys quarterback got in the argument with a reporter?
And then he was like, you know, these nuts.
And then he apologized and got him the can of these nuts from the company.
Yeah, banana.
Or he offered him banana pudding nuts.
And then we were like, why is it banana pudding?
Yeah.
Jonas was like literally finished the same it with also.
Did you guys not realize it's because banana putting these nuts in your mouth?
Yeah.
That makes sense.
That's why it's banana pudding.
Somebody tweeted at us at us afterwards.
He said literally even the German ghosts were screaming about that one.
Yeah, that's a tough.
It's a tough look for us.
Yeah.
So that's why it's banana pudding,
these nuts.
That's one of those items that's only purchased as a bit.
Like nobody eats those.
Well,
it's like Smearnoff Ice.
Yeah.
Like that's just a bit product.
Totally.
Like the entirety of their entire sales.
Like, like, I feel,
imagine people working on the Smearnoff Ice account.
people and like you're entirely
and I feel like
they don't lean into that in the marketing maybe
because you don't you can't lean into like this is
a punishment but
it's a joke
like Taco Bell is like yeah this is for people who are
drunk and high and you know like
damn you know the Taco Bell ups got at the
$20 random number generator like that's great
but like the Smiranoff Ice people they got to lean
into the Smearno of Ice. Can we get emails
from people ring your fantasy football at gmail.com of
people that earnestly drink Shmirate off ice
Like, I'm going to sit down, watch my favorite show, and pour myself a Shmiranov ice.
A Shmirnoff ice.
Did I say it wrong?
Smeernaf.
It's a Shmirna.
Smeerna.
Bung it a Blitz.
Yeah, Smok and a Blitz.
Yeah.
Smok and a pancake.
Yeah, it's thinking in European.
You know what's funny, though, is I actually think Smyrnaf Isis tastes good.
Like, they do taste good.
That's undeniable.
I would love, smearnaf ice.
If you're out there, we will sponsor the show.
Yeah, that would love it.
we will happily read ads for Smyranoff Ice.
Yeah, if anyone get us in touch, that would be great.
Outside of maybe Kors Light, Smyrnaf Ice,
one of the most impactful drinks of my life.
Wow.
Go on.
I'm just saying, like, when I think about the drinks that, like, you know,
I have memories about.
Yeah.
Amazing nights that I look back on.
Smearnoff Ice is involved in a lot of those.
You're not at a Bachelor Party until the last person to get to the Bachelor Party
has been iced.
On my birthday in college, one of my birthdays, I don't know,
my 21st birthday in college.
Sure.
When I had my first drink,
as I was getting up to go to class,
I got ice four times on my way out the door to go to class.
Like they figured out,
they like put one smear and off ice where my toothbrush was.
And then I got in the shower
and there was another behind the shampoo.
And then there was another like where my cereal was.
And literally by the time I got my foot out the door,
I was four smearing off ice as deep.
That's amazing.
Email us for Ring and Fantasy Football,
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Any great ice stories?
I still get such great pleasure. Exceptional.
I love a good ice. There's nothing better than ice in something.
Craig earnestly loves ice.
Yeah.
Email us about Samiraf Ice for your fantasy football at Gmail.com, but particularly if you
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Also, yeah, any exceptional icing stories.
Speaking of icing, last one here.
It's from Sebastian. Sebastian.
We asked about the Stanley Cup.
Seabass.
Sorry.
We asked about the Stanley Cup.
Sabass says, as a large.
longtime Canadian hockey player,
watcher and trivia lover.
I actually wanted to reach out and clarify a few things
about your hockey commentary.
On the cup itself.
Please do. Please do. Please do.
Players on the winning team, unfortunately,
only get one day, not a full week, as I have it said,
with the cup. And it has to be return to the NHL
by the start the next season.
And there's like 35 people that all get a day with it
during the summer because it's players, coaches,
and staff. Also, someone emailed to say that actually
there's Loki, there's a couple of them
because there's one at the Hall of Fame at all times.
Oh, interesting.
I know. I think that the only advertised
this one. It's like Air Force one. There's like five
planes. Yeah. It's like the Constitution.
We're like there's actually three and the real ones never on display.
But yeah, it's like I'm in D.C. There's always a helicopter flying.
They're never in that one.
Anyway, yeah. So,
D.K. correctly guessed that the stand of the cup has seen some shit over the last
132 years and just a few things that have happened to the cup.
It has been used as a toilet by a baby, twice.
Two different people's babies have pooped in the cup.
It's been used as a dog,
food bowl. A child was baptized
in the Stanley Cup.
It was drop kicked into a canal.
It was abandoned on the side of a road.
You're kicking a trophy? Drop kicked
into a canal. It seems like it would hurt your foot
a lot. It was abandoned on the side of the road and lost for an entire
year. What? It was used, I know.
It was used as a bonfire.
Dude, I don't know. We got to look into this. It was used as a
sisterhood of the traveling Stanley Cup.
This one, I wish I had had time to
research. It was used to burn the mortgage of Madison Square
Garden and then extinguished with players
urine. Do you think they sat or stood?
Oh, you, Pins Pinskillers? What is it? Pistinkler.
What is it? What is it, Craig?
Sid's Pinkler.
During the 1941
NHL season, the mortgage on Madison Square
Garden was fully paid and the management
celebrated by burning the mortgage
in the Stanley Cup and then pissing into it.
That's, I think that's cool.
I've decided that's cool.
It was left at the bottom.
That's cool.
Left at the bottom of Mario Lemieux's pool.
All right.
And then it is used to feed the winning horse for the 1994 Kentucky Derby.
Stupid question.
Has there only actually been one cup?
Like, how long has it been the same Stanley Cup?
That's a great question.
I think it's the same one.
I don't know.
For 132 years?
You think that's the original cup?
Dude, can you have it?
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, I don't know.
It's sort of Griffindor.
It just gets stronger over time.
I don't know.
You don't get that joke.
But neither is DK.
I got it.
I got it.
Yeah.
What's the Venn diagram of references for us?
Is it Happy Gilmore?
That Happy Gilmore.
Because SpongeBob is me in High Fitz.
Lord of the Rings is DK in High Fitz.
We should make the Venn diagram.
That's a good point because like Happy Gilmore is more my era and you guys, but you guys get it.
Yeah.
Actively quote it.
Yeah.
So that makes sense.
This is the end is our era, but you actively quote it.
Right.
Also, an email from Sean clarified about a week after we won it, I had my newborn daughter,
this is a hockey player.
I had my newborn daughter in there and she pooped in the cup.
that was something.
We had a pretty good laugh,
but I cleaned it out
and I still drank out of it that night.
D.K.
as a parent,
how does that make you feel?
They,
a baby pooped in it
and then they drank out of it?
Later, yeah.
They cleaned it.
They cleaned it and then they drank out of it.
Yeah, I probably wouldn't do it.
But I guess if you cleaned it very thoroughly
with bleach or something.
That's where you got to drink out of bleach.
I was going to say,
I think I'd rather drink to poop.
The fecal matter than the bleach.
Really?
Well, I mean,
bleach is very
butch used to clean things.
Maybe not what you're drinking out of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I also don't eat boogers.
So maybe I'm just squeamish.
All right.
Thank you, Craig.
Thank you,
D.K.
Thank you.
Jonathan.
Thank you everyone behind the scenes.
Thank you,
Kion and Carlis for producing this episode.
Thank you to everyone who's emailing
and fainty football at g-mobile.com.
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Thank you Lord. Thank you Ramstein
or Rammstein I'm not sure
Do you remember the song Dohaust
No it was all in German
That was definitely my era
Do host
Do host me
That's kind of ringing a bell
I think you would recognize it.
How do you spell any of that?
D-U-H-A-S-T-E-A-S-T-E-E-RAMS-T?
The Ramstein pair is too Haast.
I see this now.
It was like big for a hot minute there in like the early 2000s, I think.
Ramstein?
Ramstein?
It's like pretty hard.
97.
What were you guys so mad about back then?
Why was everyone so mad?
I don't know.
You were buying houses for like 100 grand back then.
I know.
You didn't have any Bluetooth?
Life was bliss.
No, it's great.
Look, I like, I like Bluetooth.
I just don't like that they haven't improved it in like ever.
You don't like Bluetooth.
No, I like, I like the option of having Bluetooth.
Like, I don't like wired stuff.
But I just wish Bluetooth would work well.
That's all.
It's just so funny.
Like, I literally have, I've probably had one or less
Bluetooth issues in my life.
And I find it incredibly convenient.
Yeah, Bluetooth is kind of an incredible system.
It is like a magnificent invention.
You've never had it like, you've never had your phone connect to something
that you don't want to connect.
I actually think Bluetooth is getting better
because my AirPods have an incredible ability
to connect to my phone or my laptop
whenever I want that thing
to start connecting to it.
Yeah.
I can't believe they figured that out.
You just asked me why what we were so angry about.
It's people like you.
You guys are making me mad right now.
Back in the day you could tell
that the new generation is going to be annoying.
Yeah, yeah.
Back then when you were figuring out
where the sun was going to be.
I like the idea.
What do you guys think like,
like my generation was doing
per se in the late 1990s.
I feel like to be totally honest
the late 90s,
because you guys were alive for the record.
I think to be totally honest,
the biggest and most unspoken difference
between your generation and ours
is that at one point,
everyone seemed to be totally okay
spending time with their own thoughts.
Well, they had always been until like 10 years ago.
They didn't know anything better.
The idea of like waiting for an elevator to arrive
without checking my phone.
What are you supposed to do?
Just be alone with your thoughts?
Stay in there.
I can't remember if I said this on the pot or not,
but I was at the doctor's like a couple weeks ago
and I forgot,
I left my phone with,
like in the car,
and I just went into the doctor's office
and they were like,
the doctor will be with you soon.
The doctor didn't come for like 40 minutes
and I just sat there.
I just raw dogged that appointment.
Do they not have any magazines?
No.
He's in the room.
I mean, I was in the actual room.
Oh, you were in the doctor's office.
Sitting on the little bed with the piece of paper that goes over the bed, you know?
And I was just looking around, looking at the posters on the wall.
What did you think about?
What did you think about?
What did you do? I know. It was actually kind of nice.
It's nice not getting triggered by TikTok constantly.
What did you do? What did you think about?
Well, first of all, there was like things that you would occupy your time with magazines, books, things that you could read.
Art, culture, literature.
Yeah.
You could talk to each other.
to a human beings of Dwayne Wade.
But yeah, like I do think it's interesting
like now with the, you know, like the TikTok thing
where it's there's something happening in half of the screen
and then there's something happening in the top of the screen.
So it's like for people that,
so I don't know why they like to like watch something while they're listening
to something else.
It's because watching somebody talk is boring.
So they have to play like a guy playing skate the video game below it.
So that you can, you know,
it is really funny.
That's wild.
That's funny that like there's like TV going on and then you're like,
second screen's your phone and then that's getting cut
and half it's really like a third screen too
and like I think I've said
we joke about this we used to joke about this a lot a couple
years ago but most conversations
now if your partner comes home from work it's basically
just like how was your day honey
she's like oh scared I stared at my medium
size screen all day
do you want to just unwind with me and we can like put big
screen on while I look up my little screen
nothing better than some
nothing better than unwinding with some small screen
I love the small screen while the big screen's on
because that's how I relax from middle screen
man.
D.K., if you remove all of the medical advancements that have come with 2024,
do you prefer the lifestyle of the 1990s versus today?
That's a tough question.
I think I do.
But everybody has nostalgia for their younger years, you know what I mean?
For whatever.
Like, everyone has nostalgia for bygone times.
But, like, I don't know.
There's a lot of very, very convenient things that come with, like, having a phone.
like directions, knowing where to go,
being able to contact people when you're like not at home.
Bluetooth.
I think it's better.
Yeah, Bluetooth.
Google Maps is like one of the greatest products that's ever been made.
Yeah.
Like we used to like print out map quest like literal just like step by step
directions of how to get somewhere.
That is like the only thing.
I think about that like every three days is how people got places.
That's your Roman Empire.
Yes, it genuinely is.
I remember my mom having the giant map looking at what freeway exit to take.
I just can't believe people did that.
I can't believe
I can't believe it
No I'm lucky enough that I get to live through both eras
I feel like my
little micro generation
straddled the analog era
and the digital era
Wait fuck there's a maybe we should not say this on a YouTube live
Craig there's a really funny movie that someone should write
Or like honestly give you a TV show
Of like actual post apocalypse
But it's not like Mad Max
It's just
Everything's the same
But there's no internet
and none of the people that are 40 have any idea what to do.
Like, no one doesn't go anywhere.
No one doesn't do anything.
No one has any money.
Like, no one knows that I don't fucking do anything, but everything's okay.
It's not the apocalypse.
It's just like 1964.
Yeah, it's just the internet's out.
No one can fix it.
No one really knows why.
There's some glitch.
Like, that's it.
That's the entire thing.
Isn't it there's been studies that like kids these days are like having less
sex, drinking less, doing fewer drugs.
Yes.
I actually have wanted to talk about this on the show for a long time.
Yes, there's a lot of studies.
to suggest the kids...
Because of the internet.
Well, no, there's two ways
to look at it.
Okay.
And I'm curious to you're going to think.
But yes, to your point,
there are very comprehensive studies
have been done that.
Spending less time together,
more time on their phones.
I think is a big part of it.
But the sex thing,
I think is twofold.
You could look at it as kids have...
And this is definitely true.
It's like way more first experiences
with like any kind of sex
are all pornographic.
But the other thing I keep wondering is,
I think the older people
were fucking lying
about all the sex they were having.
And I actually think,
younger people are way more comfortable admitting they haven't had sex.
And all of you people in every previous generation was lying through their teeth.
And now the younger people are being more honest about it.
I haven't heard that take.
I like that.
Like there's no way that like dudes taking this survey from college in 1977 told the truth.
Care to comment, Daniel?
What you were doing in high school?
Yeah.
What were you doing?
Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is like you asked, what did you do when you
didn't have a phone or anything to do?
It's like people get bored.
They get drunk and have sex with each other.
Yeah, I mean, look.
I never stopped.
Don't you think that like in the 70s, 80s, 90s, whatever?
Slowed down.
All people, all men wanted to do it every weekend was like, we got to go out and talk to girls.
There's nothing else to do.
Now it's like, dude, let's play Fortnite.
Yeah.
No, I think that that's, I think that's like a trend that technology was having, but I think post-pandemic accelerated everything.
Like, I mean, not to just now we're the old generate.
Now, Craig, we're the old guys talking about them kids back in the day.
but like I do think I have a bunch of friends
whose parents are teachers
who have been teachers for like 30 or 40 years
and they all independently say the same thing
that kids had phones forever from like when we were growing up
but like 2020 was when even in 2019
when the class ended two minutes early
kids talk to each other and when they came back from COVID
class would end and kids would just be on their phones
and kids stopped talking to each other and breaks after COVID
and I think that that absolutely is going
to extend for that generation to like what you said earlier the joke like hey like I'm going
to Whole Foods making it around like I do think that like pick up lines and like the idea of meeting
people in person has functionally like ended yeah I think there's a certain amount of like
it's like a compulsive act to look at your phone you know what I mean like oh yeah when you don't
when you're not focused on something actually right in front of you it's like the next impulse
is to look at your phone even like it's contagious if you pull out your phone if you're
dinner.
Yeah.
Other,
if you're a dinner
too,
someone else pulls a phone.
Okay,
so I can,
I can look at my phone.
Oh,
it's small screen time.
Yeah,
yeah.
Yeah, small screen time.
And then if you put it down,
then they put it down.
Literally trying to go a day
without opening a social media app.
It's very hard.
It's like,
I think,
I think of like going to,
you know,
games when I was growing up and no one had cell phones.
I didn't have a cell phone until I was like in college.
And it's just a different dynamic.
I mean,
I'm not going to be like,
oh,
kids these days don't understand because I think you could still go to a game
and people are like talking to each other.
It's just like way more phone stuff during a game.
You know what I mean?
Then like it used to be.
It's like it's kind of it's a weird thing because, you know, we'd go meet up with each
other and like everyone's just hanging out.
You don't, you literally can't look at a phone because it wasn't, it didn't exist.
Can I criticize one more thing?
You know, Hyvids, have you seen those pictures of like, for those of you who say that
we're on our phone too much?
And it's like a photo of people on a bus in like 1972 and they're all reading newspapers.
Everyone's reading a newspaper.
Get the fuck out of here with that.
That couldn't be more different than everybody being on.
TikTok. That is so different. Everybody
like reading an article about the state of
politics versus now you're on your
phone for two hours, like watching a video to see how many
tater tots a guy can stuff in his mouth.
It's not the same thing.
Being on your phone versus reading the newspaper.
Should we break this out and put it on TikTok?
If you're watching this on TikTok right now, stop scrolling.
Get off the app. Go in the world.
Go read a newspaper.
Actually, no, don't do any of that. Do it at this
with you seeing how many tater tots you can
stuff in your mouth before we finish the conversation.
Like, subscribe and follow.
Oh, man.
Pisses me off.
Reading the, yeah, it's always been the same.
Get out of here with that.
Getting about, like, the Bay of Pigs.
Yeah, it's like TikTok.
You're like, oh, no.
Uh, that's insane.
Goodbye, everyone.
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