The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Best/Worst Trades of 2025, Craig Vs. Sean Toilet Bowl, Fantasy Court, and Michael Bublé (No, Really)

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

The guys are power ranking the most impactful trades of the season, from the Micah Parsons blockbuster to the Joe Flacco midseason trade, and much more. They then take on a fantasy court case and recap the week in the Ringer Fantasy Football League. Finally, the guys are joined by Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter Michael Bublé to talk about his love of fantasy football, his career highlights, and more! (00:00) Show start (1:55) Power Hour! (3:22) Micah Parsons to GB (7:57) Quinnen Williams to DAL (11:52) George Pickens to DAL (15:49) DK Metcalf to PIT (20:25) Seahawks Replace Geno Smith With Sam Darnold (27:51) Geno Smith to LV (30:27) Vikings Let Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones Walk (34:39) Colts Sign Daniel Jones and Trade for Sauce Gardner (38:17) Jaguars Trade Up for Travis Hunter (40:58) Jakobi Meyers to JAX (43:20) Bears Acquire Joe Thuney and Jonah Jackson (45:44) Joe Flacco to CIN (48:54) Fantasy Court (55:58) Ringer Fantasy League Update (1:00:42) Michael Bublé Joins the Show! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Click here to join our Discord! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Further. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, Ryan Garcia and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hype and today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. And today it is Power Hour, where every Wednesday we power rank something. And this week we were power ranking the trades that changed this season. There is just a lot of trades that happened this year more than usual, honestly. And they all are impacting the season as it's happening right now. We thought it was a really good time to kind of go back. and just see all the dominoes that fell on how everything's going.

And then we're going to go through fantasy court, some emails. As always. That's right. We've got a great show for you tonight. Michael Boubley is here, literally. Literally. Literally. So stick around and we'll be right back.

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on eligible secured chime visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at chime.com. All right, let's get to Power Hour. For those who don't know, the way it works. Woo! We're going to go through. Yeah.

Yeah. Woo! Too many woos. Sorry, I'm doing a real power hour over here. We've got to get back to that. We wanted to go through all the trades because I just feel like if you look around the league, you'd be surprised how many some of the biggest trades that were made this year are impacting the season and some of the most surprising things, some of the most funny things.

I'll be honest. I'll be up front. In terms of whether it's actually power ranking them in order of the changes, honestly, no. I think the whole bucket collectively are the trades, but I'm being honest. Spoiler alert. The number one thing I had here was Michael Parsons. because it got hurt.

And I'm like, you know what? I don't think Quinn and Williams going to Dallas is the second most impactful trade. But I put it next to that because I thought it's the other end of the Michael Parsons one. So there was a connective tissue through like nine of these freaking trades. So the order is a little fudged. But overall, I did want to talk about like basically a dozen trades.

And for those who don't know, we're going to put two minutes on the clock. And every two minutes you're going to hear this sound. Not sued yet. Knock on wood, man. All right. shout out to Tom Tom Tom Tom, great song.

The best. Well, some of the best. Okay. Yeah, without further ado, I want to go through the most, the biggest trades that have changed this season, starting with number one, spoiled it already.

Michael Parsons to the Packers. Sure. The trade compensation to remind people, Michael Parsons to the Packers for Green Bay's first in 2026, Green Bay's first in 2027, and Kenny Clark, the defense to tackle, go to Dallas,

and then the Packers signed Micah Parsons to be four-year-old four-year deal for $41 million per year. And how it worked out, you guys kind of know. Parsons got 13 sacks and 14 games, led the league with 83 pressures, and then he tore his ACL last week. Gosh. This is a fucking steal.

Yeah. This was a highway robbery by Jerry now, is it? I mean, hell. You would have traded Michael Parsons away for two first in Kenny Clark if you knew he was tearing his ACL in week 15, right? No. You wouldn't? No.

I'd rather have him long term. Well, you might not get him next year. So now we're talking about... Oh, he'll be back. Well, you know, I don't think he'll be back week one. Sure. It's a more interesting conversation now, is all I'm saying. I think like everything else with Jerry Jones's entire life.

He did it. He tried to shoot himself in the foot. He missed. The bullet hit the ground and a bunch of oil shot out. Yeah. You know, it's the story of that man's life. Yeah. I don't know.

When Craig said that right there, I was like, oh, what a performative statement. And then I will say, the Micah Parsons experience is about his otherworldly athleticism that is like a big part of it. So obviously like the Packers didn't know that was going to happen. But I don't know. I, the more I think about this, I'm curious me, think, DK, I actually kind of think people will be surprised at how much the Packers defense kind of hangs on the rest of the year. I think everyone's trying to write Green Bay off and they're like, they're not really a Super Bowl

contender now. I think people are going to be surprised. I think the Packers defense is going to be like kind of fine. I think they'll still be good. I don't think they clearly won't have as good of a pass rush, I don't think, because. because he's just such a difference maker there, like a closer, latent games. And he's been awesome this year.

Yeah, opposing teams are trying to pass the ball. Like, he is just an absolutely creating havoc. It's like, every time you watch a Packers game, just Michael Parsons is just absolutely freaking dominating. Especially lately. Yeah. So, I don't know. I think obviously that they will suffer a little bit,

but at the same time, I agree with you. I think this is still a deep group and they still have a ton of first round talent on that defense. They'll figure out ways to kind of like mitigate his loss. But yeah, it's a significant loss. And I think it significantly lowers their ability to win the Super Bowl. I think it lowers it. But I think people will be surprised at how much the Packers are still going to be able to stop the run because Quay Walker and Adrian Cooper at linebacker is so good stopping the run.

Javon Bullard and the nickel. Evan Williamson's safety. I know he got made up too. I think he's still going to play. I just think the shout out again, Cody Alexander at Match Gorders has done a great job writing about this. But the Packers have done a great job doing, you know, they should put six guys in the defensive line. Only send four, but then you don't know which four. So it confuses the offensive line and they mix up coverages on the back end, which makes up for they have good safetys, but not great quarterbacks.

I think you'll just be surprised that I think the Packers go back to the defense they were going to do on August 29th before they traded for Michael Parsons. I'm not saying it's going to be quite as good, but I think I just think it'll be much better than people think it'll be without Parsons. Like I think, I don't know, sometimes edge rushers come and go. And I think the nature of edge rusher is probably overrated in the same way the Rams. if I had said to you, the Rams will replace Aaron Donald and the aggregate, and you're like, they'll be worse, but not as much as you think. You'd think that was a pretty stupid thing to say. And yet they've managed to be able to manufacture it.

And I think that it's harder to replace an Aaron Donald than Michael Parsons. So I'm not trying to be like, it doesn't matter. He sucks. I just, I just think they'll be surprisingly similar to the way they've been playing. I will say. Point Jerry then. Well, what I was going to say to counter that, Craig, is right now the green. Bay first rounder is the 23rd overall pick and wouldn't be surprising if it ends up being a little

bit further down the line. So like 25, 26, 27, I don't know. I still feel like it was way too cheap to get a guy like Michael Parsons. I think I'd do that if he tears his AC off. I know he's tearing his AC. Yeah, but you can't know that. Well, my question was now that you know that, would you have done that trade? You still said no. No, I still have done the trade. I probably would have held, you know, I probably would have done the trade if I was Jerry if someone told me of a crystal ball. Yeah, I probably would have done the deal. But I think that Packers, the Cowboys made a concerted decision that they wanted a defensive tackle. He wanted to shift their resources to the defensive tackle position. And that leads to the next trade here, which is Quinn and Williams to Dallas,

where the Cowboys got quitting Williams, the defensive tackle from the Jets. And the Dallas sent to the Jets, the Jets got a second rounder in 2026. And whichever Dallas first round pick is higher in 2027, whether it's Green Bay or Dallas, the better one goes to the Jets. And that looked really smart for three weeks because the Cowboys wanted a three-game winning streak. The defense looked better. And then the defense sucked and fell back way back down to Earth. And you're like, oh, yeah, the Raiders kind of made the Dallas defense look way better than it was. I don't know.

I think that this is, I think that trading Micah Parsons was an emotional decision about basically, we wanted to make the DAC extension and the CD extension content, but it ended up raising the dollar value. so then they made the Micah extension content, and then they were like, oh, now this is a lot of money to give. And there was an emotional fallout with him and Michael Parsons' agent, David Mulligetta. And then they kind of backed ass first into, you know what, defensive tackles are better

than edge rushers anyway, and they're cheaper. So let's do that. So I don't know, D.K., I feel like Dallas next year, they're not going to make the playoffs this year, but they're building this defense around Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams for better or for worse. Yeah, and I think that's for worse. Like, I don't think you build your defense around defensive tackles.

I think it's nice to have a good defensive tackle or two, certainly, and it helps your defense. But traditionally, and I mean, like, the market just tells you, defensive tackles don't get paid as much. They're just not as impactful. I don't agree. I actually, I, this is saying I want to talk to you a lot about the run defending defensive tackles are the cheap, like one of the cheapest, you know, assets out there. Not a run, no, not just the guys who can also affect the passing game. And like, I'm talking, elite level defensive tackle, I would lightly push back and say, I actually think that there is a market edge on defensive tackles over pass rushers and for the dumbest reason possible.

But I think there's actual truth to this. I think because sacks are easy to count, there's a 40 year history of more sacks, more money, please, from agents. But it took, there was like a 30 or 40 year gap between when defensive tackles could quantify their value to teams. So teams could be like, what do you mean you want as much money? So defensive tackles, it was hard to prove their value to edge rushers. And now with advanced stuff, with premium stats, with pressures being able to be

track. I think it's easier, but if you just look, I would argue, I'm going to pull this list up. I know this is very anecdotal. Sorry to disrespecting Tom Tom, but I think it's interesting. How dare you? If you just look at the last, I'm going to go like Super Bowl champions. If you just look, their last who, the best defensive tackle, the best defensive linemen of the last Super Bowl champions was a detackle. The Eagles, they had Jordan Davis and they had Jalen Carter. And then the chiefs had Chris Jones. And then the chiefs at Chris Jones again. And then the Rams had Aaron Donald. And then the Buccaneers had in Dom Kusu. and I think that, yeah, and Vitevea, the chiefs at Chris Jones, the Patriots then play edge rushers for like 30 years under Belichick, the Patriots again.

You know what I mean? The Eagles at that time before that they had like Fletcher Cox. Who were the quarterbacks on those teams? They were really good. I know. It is. I just think it's, let me say, let me put this way. Like obviously having an elite level defensive tackle is a good thing.

I'm not saying it's not a good thing. I'm saying it's doing some mental gymnastics to say that you're going to. trade away an elite young, still ascending edge rusher and build your defense around some defensive tackles. I think that's a good thing. I don't think that's a good thing. Well, maybe he knew about the ACL, like Craig's saying. Yeah. It's like the son. He knew about it almost a year in advance. Almost a year and nine months in advance. Almost a season in advance. Jerry Jones has made billions of dollars. D.K. still questioning his ability to see the future. It's crazy. I want to talk to more about that. You're the one who keeps saying he tries to shoot himself in the foot and oil.

Oil keeps popping out of the ground. Which is like not apocryful. It actually happened. Failing upwards. The ultimate. That literally happened. Yeah. I just appreciate Jerry at this point, man. I think they don't speak it to which though, not only did the Cowboys do that, the next trade here, two minutes on the clock is they, the Cowboys also traded for George Pickens. You know what, man?

I don't know. I'm more impressed with this. Yeah. I'm more impressed with this trade because it was far, far less in terms of what they gave up. They gave up a third round pick in 2026, like a future third. That's like chump change relative to what we're talking. about here. And George Pickens has been one of the best receivers in the NFL this year. He's third in the NFL in receiving yards, over 1,200 yards. I kind of didn't realize that. He has over

1,200 yards, eight touchdowns, which is fifth in the NFL. He's the wide receiver six in fantasy, so that doesn't matter, obviously, but it's good for us. Now, there's still question marks about his effort and kind of just like what his personality is going to be on any given day that I think, you know, we're constantly talking about him and just his what he's doing on. and off to field in terms of outside of the actual receiving work. So this is why I think the Steelers decided to move on from it and it's understandable. But regardless, I think, you know, the list of diva receivers who have been really, really successful for a long time is, is a really long list. So ultimately, I think this was an incredible value. This was good for both sides. Yeah. I maintain that.

I think that it, you could say it looks worse on Pittsburgh's end, which I guess it does, but I don't even know if I would agree to that. Like this is like a breakup when both sides are better off. It's like the end of La La Land. Just finding people that fit, they fit better. Yeah, this is like Gosling and Emma Stone at the end of La La La Land. Look at each other from across the bar and Sebastian's bar and they give each other the nod and they're like, we're going our own ways and we're happy we did what we did. I just think it's right. Spoiler. Oh, come on. 10 years. I haven't seen it yet. You haven't seen La La La La Land there. No, that's on you. Anyway, don't tell me how Lord of the Rings ends.

Hyphen says in any other. Shut up, D.K. You haven't seen Lala Land. I told you that in confidence, man. Yeah. I will say one thing, though. It's a great deal right now when they're not paying George Pickens a lot of money.

Sure. They're going to have to pay George Pickens next year. And in fantasy, I compared the Cowboys this year to like the off-brand bangles, right? You get Burrow, Higgins, and Chase. Well, the Cowboys, you get Dak and Pickens and Cidley Lamb. And you get all of the fantasy points for half the price. I feel like now we look back at the deals that Cincinnati perhaps gave, you know, T. Higgins,

and it's like, well, the defense sucks. Is this really worth it? Aren't the Cowboys just wandering down this same road where they're going to have to pay George Pickens a ton of money? The offense on the Cowboys was not the issue. Two years ago when Dak was healthy, the Cowboys led the League in Points. They didn't have George Pickens. Dak was great. Like, that's probably the one thing you didn't need to do was give George Pickens $100 million, which they're probably going to do. Yeah, I know.

It's tough. because it's a zero-sum game, right? Like, if they give a bunch of money to pick-ins, then the defense just isn't going to be as good. Unless they draft a bunch of really good guys in it, and they immediately come in and, like, contribute. I think it's just one of those things. I personally believe...

Like, this is just more fun to watch in fantasy than it might be actually good for the cowboys, in my opinion. I don't know. It's so tough. It's so tough. I personally believe, like, two... What is the expression? A bird in hand is worth two in the bush? Like, they have a good part.

player. Yeah. They should pay him and keep him because they know he's good. Spoilings. They're going to franchise tag him and then they're going to just have all the contract drama up until July 15th and then they're going to have Pickens on a contract year because I don't think they're going to be talking about once a week. The drama of having George Pickens in a financial battle with Jerry Jones is about as insane as it can get. They're going to make content, baby. It's going to be Pickens versus Jerry. It's going to be content. I'm telling you now. That's going to be a disaster. But Jerry programs television and he's going to have George Pickens on a tag. He's not letting the guy go nowhere.

know how. I'm just saying. Yeah. And also, Pickens wasn't going to do this with Rogers because he takes calculated routes off and you can't do that with Aaron Rogers. So it was smart. But with that said, the Steelers went and then they saw they, they got D.K. Metcalf. I mean, this was right before they dealt Pickens, but they got me, DK Metcalf for a second round pick. And then they gave Metcalf a five year deal for like on paper, fake money, money, but $150 million. So Craig, how this is funny because D.K, you're a Seahawks fan and Craig, your Steers fan. How do you feel big picture about this

where you swapped out pickings for Betcalf? I mean, I think if you're Seattle, you objectively say this was a huge win. I mean, like Jackson Smith and Jig was one of the best receivers in the league immediately, and they got a second round pick for DK and the Seahawks are doing great and Donald looks great, and the offense is not a problem at all.

For the Steelers, look, for the money, was this worth it? Probably not. Paying him $30 million a year? Probably not. For this offense and what he's doing, For his stat line, I mean, he's on pace for 65 catches, 900-ish yards, and seven touchdowns. Those are career lows across the board for D.K. Metcap pretty much. Like, is that worth $30 million a year? No. Well, maybe the Steelers got confused in the Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator thought

D.K. McCaff was another tight end and he wanted to play him for it, four tight ends. Well, that's the thing, dude. Maybe one of the big ones. It's like when you, the problem is, is it still kind of feels weird that D.K. Metcalf is on this team. And there are many moments in the Steelers game where you forget he's on the field. And then he catches a pass over the middle. like throws two guys to the ground and you're like, holy shit, D.K. Metcass on this team, but they don't use him like a guy they're giving $30 million a year to. So, you know,

they're going to run this back next year with Rogers and DK. And maybe, I don't know. I think he's good for this team and he's the only explosive player on the offense. And so that matters. And I wish they used him more. But no, this was not worth the money or the second round pick. However, it's nice to have him. I think the, yeah, the way that I look at it for the Steelers is basically, I don't know, whatever. it's what the analogy here is but it's like they needed a number one where you where else you gonna get one let's just go with this guy he's available the seahawks are talking about he's he requested trade we're calling the seahawks they're open to it this guy you know can be our number

one they don't grow those guys don't grow in trees and if you look at the rest of the steelers receiving court it's like fucking barren there's nobody well to be clear they had pickers we're just like well this was but i think it was all wasn't it was all part of like a pretty quick sequence there. No, yes, but Metcalf was added before Pickens was traded. And they could have just obviously those deals were done in tandem internally. But we're all just kind of doing this on the premise that, well, Pickens couldn't play with Rogers.

However, what if he could have? Yeah, I mean, he might have been a better fit stylistically. I don't know if he would have been a better fit mentally. And from a camaraderie standpoint, that could have been a disaster. I don't think it makes a difference, though. The problem with the Metcalf thing is, DK, you're right. They needed a number one receiver. If they had Jacoby Myers instead of D.K. Metcalfe and they gave Jacoby Myers $30 million instead of $150 and they spent a fifth round pick on them instead of a second round pick, isn't there a decent chance that Steelers have the same record with Jacobey Myers?

Yes. That's the problem. I mean, yeah, yeah. Their offense is not predicated on what D.K. McCath does. I mean, it helps to have that explosiveness, but, you know, we've only seen that like two plays this. year. It's the biggest free agent signing the Steelers I've ever had in the history of the franchise. And it does feel like, I don't want to call it tilting, but it's like they got excited in the moment and I don't think they should have done it, but it's nice to have

him. Yeah, I think that's how I feel about it too. I mean, it's just basically like, look, we got, this guy is available. Should we do it? Yeah, let's do it. We kind of need it at number one. Should we do another round of shots? Fuck it. I'm wondering if they see it as like a long-term part of the plan of like finding their eventual quarterback replacement like this is a bridge year you know what i mean they signed him to an long-term extension rogers is going to be the quarterback next year i think and dk will be 29 in the middle of next season i don't know rogers should be the quarterback i think he should oh i mean also to answer your question dek i sure hope dk matcalf is part of the large term thing because they gave him 60 million dollars guaranteed at siding and i know

all these deals are fake but it's like at a five-year deal it means he's there for three years no i know My point is basically just like, was this longer term thinking or was it really just like, let's, we got this. There's a number one receiver available. Let's go. I think they saw a window and thought maybe we have a shot right now, but the only way to get a guy like D.K. Mekoff is to give him a large deal like this and they had to do it.

Yeah. Apologies to Tom Tom. He's been getting suplexed. Tomp is getting so crushed. All right. Well, on that note, sticking with the Seahawks out of this because the Seahawks gave up, Gino. I know this wasn't a trade, but it was a trade.

It's one big move. The Seahawks in one fell swoop here at the all season. They trade. to Gina Smith to the Raiders for third, then signed Sam Darnold and then sent Metcalfe away. So, D.K., what is your letterbox review here on the COX off season? How many stars? Damn, but we should have done that. Oh, yeah, that was a better idea.

How many possible on letterbox? Five, and you can give only half star, full or half. Oh, wow. I would probably give this like four out of five stars. I think it was a good, I think it was a good move, the right move. I was pretty skeptical of it at first, but overall, I think it's been the correct move to do this basically from every angle. You know, Darnold is not perfect, clearly. He's, he's actually tied for the league lead in turnover still more than Gino Smith. But he is, I think, unequivocally played

better than Gino has this year. I think ultimately what we saw and what you can read between the lines is, I don't think the Seahawks particularly saw eye to eye with Gino Smith, like the coaching staff in the front office. I think Darnold is younger. He's got a better contract, arguably. So I think overall it was the right move. It was a good move. It made the Seahawks better. It gives them a chance. And it kind of like set the clock back a little bit in terms of like how like what they

need to do at the quarterback position. Like maybe they can keep Darnel for a full three years. Maybe he ends up being a super long term option for them. And yeah, I mean, I was looking at his contract kind of prepping for the show. And it's like it's actually a pretty flexible contract. If they wanted to get out of it after this year, they could. They're not going to, obviously. you know, I think overall it's a good contract.

I think it's funny because the pick that they traded away for Gino Smith actually became Jalen Milro. So Gino Smith kind of turned into, or sorry, the pick that they got back from the Raiders became Jalen Milrow in the draft. So they kind of traded Gino Smith. They signed a veteran and then they drafted a developmental guy. Obviously, we haven't seen anything from Milro. Is there a better summary, though, of the Sam Darnold experience than the fact that the

Seucks already have more wins this season than you did all of last season. and Dek is talking about, we don't, we could get out of his contract, but we don't, we don't, we don't have to. I mean, I gave it four stars. I think it's a good move, but yeah, I mean, everyone, anyone with eyes can tell it's like Donald has his, has his, uh, warts, certainly. Um, four stars is pretty good. Wait, before we move on, letterbox is a better idea than what I had originally here.

We got to go back and give retroactive grades. What's the letterbox review on D.K. McK. I give D.K. Also, sorry, D. Dekh's dog hates the darn old thing. I've kindly let him know that he should stop barking. He's not listening to me at the moment. I love you leaning back.

Go, George, quiet down. As he's just yelling. Should I yell at him again? George is a, what is it? What is it? It's a great Pyrenees. So he's just a guardian dog, livestock guardian, and just can't take that instinct out of him.

He just goes freaking ape shit anytime anyone gets near our house. How do you get dogs to stop barking? Training. What is the training? You know, you reward them for coming. And when coming to you when they're barking and whatnot. But I'm not sure to dance. I'm actually not trying to get him to stop barking because it's a good thing to have like if people are fucking

I can hear him going nuts. I hear him going nuts. I just, I'm not trying to be dense. I just, what is the communication of hey, don't be loud? The other things I know to trade. I've trained a dog a little bit. He is trained, but he's so far away. He's trained to kill.

Yeah. So he comes to you, but then he just doesn't bark because you're there? Is that the idea? I reward him for coming to me if he's barking, yes. So he knows that if he comes to you and he gets the treats and then he leaves, then he comes back and he can get another treat. I don't know if he's thinking that far ahead. When we got him trained, the traitor was like, he's not the smartest dog.

And I was like, yeah. But he makes up for it with effort. He's the, he's very cute. He's awesome. I love George. He is a barker though. That's just kind of the thing. Was this before after he would eat his own shit and then vomit it up and then eat the vomit?

That was after. This is after. That was early on in George's, the George experience in my life. He doesn't really, he doesn't really do it anymore. That was his experimental phase. Yeah, he was just trying things out, you know. That was his teen years. All right.

Well, if there's barker, That's why. So we haven't paused this enough before we move on. We have to go back. We're doing the letterbox thing. What's the letterbox grade in the Micah Barson's trade with a little difference? It was a five. For the Packers.

I think for the Packers it was a five and now we have to dock it to like a four. Yeah, yeah. It can't be a five now. Now it's a four point out. It was a five point out. The Quinn and Williams trade? Give up a second and a first. We're talking about for the Jets?

I think for the Cowboys. For the team receiving the player. Right. I think we have to do if the team received for the cab are we factoring in the micah parsons thing or in a vacuum this trade they have to factor in the mica thing because they wouldn't have done this move without moving micr then it's include the picks it was basically micha parsons for quinine and like Kenny Clark at a first Kenny Clark at a first basically late first which is like two and a half yeah I was thinking like overall it's like overall it's a two Quinnin's a good player This is just a lot to come up with a Quinn and Williams. It's a lot. George Pickens. I think that's a three and a,

that's a four for the Cowboys. Yeah, I agree. I think so too. And then, okay, and then Metcalf for the Steelers. I think this is hard three.

Three and a half. I think it's a two and a half. Yeah, it's fine. Two and a half three is fine. You're paying Metcalfe a lot of money. Well, look,

when you're on letterbox, you don't factor in the budget of the movie. It's the one battle after another conversation. Right. Am I factoring in the budget or just the player on the team? Just the movie. Do I factor in that one battle after another lost money or do I just like the movie? That's a good question.

You have to factor the money, I think it's different. I think. Because the problem is the amount of money that the Steelers spent on D.K. Metcalfe prohibits them from doing other things. It doesn't prohibit a movie studio from doing what they want. The other thing to keep in mind here, which we haven't mentioned, is that the second rounder that the Steelers gave up, the Seahawks used not to trade up to draft Nick Eminowary. Yeah, who's a stud. Who's been awesome. He's going to be defensive rookie of the year, I think. He could be. One simple reason. And I think you could still bet this with good odds. I promise you when people fill out their balance, and I think there's

only 50 people who vote on this. The last thing they look at is defensive rookie of the year. They're worried about MVP and offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year. The last thing they get to is defensive rookie of the year. And then they look at their ballot and they're like, oh, wow. So Miles Garrett's going to get defensive player of the year on a three win Browns team. And they're like, I'm going to give defense. Friends of Rookie of the year to Carson's Westinger. So like both, like the Browns are going to have two players on the ballot and they won three games.

And then they're going to see the C-Ox made the playoffs and Nick and Mawarves who are going to get the fucking. You really think this through. I like that. It's just people. It's like when the Cooper Cup was a sub-o-d-p and I'm like the third of the people who voted for him, like we're in the elevator when Aaron Donald had Sacked Joe Burrow to win the game, you know? So it's like, I don't. Anyway, not the point.

Moving on here after a lengthy delay. The next trade here I wanted to mention, D.K. What's your letterbox for view on the Raider? Give it up a third for Gino Smith. I mean, I think the obvious is this is like a one. This didn't move the needle for them whatsoever. And they gave up a pick and a lot of money. And they're still horrific.

So they could have just gone if they had an O'Connell. They could have gone with Kenny Pickett. How did they get Kenny Pickett again? I forget. They trade for him. The Browns. How did he end up there? The Browns ended up in March.

And then the Browns are too many quarterback. I think he hitchhiked there. Right. That's how he got there. The Eagles sent him to the Browns in March. and then the Browns drafted Shudor and Dylan Gabriel. And so they sent picket to the Raiders. It was like for like a late round pick swap or something like that.

They could have just done that, probably. And they would have been in the sort of same position they are now, which is horrible. So I, you know, I've been a Gino defender. I thought Gino did a really good job when he was with the Seahawks, you know, relative to what any other options that they had. But obviously this year has been a bit of a reality check in terms of just like what his overall ceiling is. And he's the, we've talked about this. He's the type of quarterback who can make a good team better.

He's not the type of quarterback who's going to elevate a bad team. I still think when I look at the Raiders, I'm like, Pete Carroll's the head coach, Gina Smith's handpick quarterback. Pete Carroll's son is the quarterback's coach. Pete Carroll's other son's the offensive line coach. I don't, like, I'm sorry. And we love Pete Carroll. I just don't know how this isn't Pete Carroll's fault.

And he's not going to throw his sons under the buses. So he has to throw Gina Smith under the bus. Like, you know what I mean? He says he already threw Chip Kelly under the bus. It's a very Hollywood story. just like Nepo babies and bringing in the quarterback you like. And it's like Warner Brothers made that De Niro movie this year called Alton Nights. Oh God.

I saw that on the play. I tried to watch that, Craig. It's just because the head of Warner Brothers is friends with Nick Pellej who's 93 years old who wrote the movie. That's the guy who wrote Goodfellas. And David Zazzoff was just like, I'm going to do this for my pal. And it fucking lost so much money. It was bad. I mean, I actually don't really know how bad it was because I turned it off.

I turned it off too. Yeah. I'm impressed you. it on. Yeah, well, I honestly just, it was one of those, like, selections where I was like, I don't know what this is. I'm just going to give it a try. It looks mafia related. I was like, I think this is De Niro. And then it took me probably 10 or 15 minutes to figure out that De Niro was playing multiple people in the, I was like, what is this? I was confused. Is that De Niro too? I'm like, I feel like I'm getting frigging pumped right now. This is ridiculous.

Are both a Piero son's in this? Yeah, right. Uh, okay. Nope. Finally, some respect for Tom Tom. Cheating here, but I had to include it. The other part of Sam Darnold going to the Seahawks is the Vikings letting Sam Donald go and the Vikings letting Daniel Jones go, which I know isn't a trade, but I think it had it had such a big impact as part of that quarterback musical choice. I thought we had to include it. Craig, what's your letterbox review here of the Vikings let a Donald walk?

The review of letting Darnold walk is probably a two. I mean, you could have franchised. I just tagged them and paid them $40 million and gave it one more shot with this roster. And you went 14 and three last year. You were a top 10 offense. And you could have seen what you had. I mean, shit. If you're a Vikings fan and you're watching not only what Sam Donald was doing,

but also what Daniel Jones did. You have to be a little bit like, golly. I mean, the last, the next three games here, J.J. McCarty's going to need to look real good for you to feel anything about what Minnesota did. It's pretty tough. I'd give it two stars. Maybe one and a half. Two, I think two is, can you go to zero?

Is that one the lowest or zero the lowest? I think a half is the lowest you can do. I think this is a one at best. I mean, and we said this a bunch. It was a hard decision at the time and we're not pretending like we have hindsight. But the whole premise of getting rid of Donald to have McCarthy there is that Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings had the most information about McCarthy of anyone. And the fact that we're talking about J.J. McCarthy's throwing mechanics like three months

into the season and the head coach's talking about his mechanics, I'm like, then what was the decision based off of you're like, well, he needs to rebuild how he throws while he recovers from this meniscus surgery. I'm like, well, we had that information that the head coach hates his throwing for him and he wants to rebuild it off the rehab. I'm like, I would have changed my mind. I don't know, D.K., like, isn't it? It feels a little strange in retrospect. It's a cost fallacy. Yeah. I think the like hindsight thing that I am willing to kind of say it now is that like even if they had decided to keep Darnold or Daniel Jones and kind of

roll with one of those guys as the starter, I think it would have been an easier sale than we kind of have said in the past. Like so like at the time in the off season we're like, oh, they got to stick with their young guy. They got to go with him. I think it would have been like a story for like a week and then everyone would have moved on. You know what I mean?

I think that's where I'm willing to be like, we probably overthought this. They could have easily just stuck with one of these other two guys because like everything we said, they're ready to be a competitor. They don't want to rely on this guy who's completely unproven. So I think that's where maybe this is revisionist history

a little bit, but I think they could have done that and it wouldn't have been as big of a deal as we thought it was at the time. It was a very unique situation. It was a one of one because what screwed Minnesota honestly is the last two games of Donald's career of the Vikings. It was week 18 and week one of the playoffs when

Donald put up nine points in back-to-back games. They lost to the Lions and a half to win for the division game. They lost 31 to 9 in that game. Donald had, was 18 for 41. He had no touchdowns. He threw for 166 yards. Look terrible.

Then they go to the playoffs. They lose 27 to 9 to the Rams. Donald gets sacked nine times, turns over the ball twice, and everybody panics. If Donald is fine in those two games, he's probably on the Vikings right now. Probably a lot richer too. But because he was fucking terrible, it made the entire summer a debate. And I get it. And now you can look back and JJ's not that good in the whole thing.

But those two games ruined everything. If he was just okay in those games, I think he's on the Vikings. right now. Yeah. Well, if only you got a rematch versus the Rams, he could have showed them. I know. Well, the irony is, yeah, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't necessarily the offensive lines fall or whatever.

It was just like, man, Darnold just can't play the Rams. He threw four picks against Rams this year with the Seahawks. And it's why this could all change. Like, if Donald shits the bed again in the playoffs this year, if it's a wild card, he or on Thursday against the Rams. Sure, but like, whatever. If they lose in some

horrifying ugly fashion and in a wild card round, the conversation will once again morph. So again, the Vikings let Donald leave decided to stick with McCarthy. And they also let Daniel Jones go. So the Vikings apparently put out an offer to Daniel Jones. And they claim they put for more money to the Colts. And we could put two minutes on the clock here. And instead, Daniel Jones, I don't know how much, I don't know if it's true or not,

the Vikings offered more money. If they did, probably not a lot. But Daniel Jones decides to sign with the Colts, which I know it's not a trade, but we're doing it's one big move. the cults signed Daniel Jones. They go on a 7-1 heater, and then they trade two first-round picks for Sauce Gardner. I'm lumping all this in.

And I unfortunately, this is weird. I think this, if this is a sequel, I think the letterbox review on the Jones thing has to be a 3 and a half, maybe a 4 signing Jones for one year, $14,000 million to start 7-1. And then the Sauce Gardner trade gets like a 1-5 because, oh, my God, I don't think there has ever been a team

that has speed run, putting all their chips into the middle of the table and then suddenly going to the ATM because they're out of money quicker than they traded two firsts for sauce gardener because they started seven and one. And then 40 days after that trade, Philip Rivers was signed to start for the cult.

Yeah, look, I think you can only go for it if you know your quarterback is a Super Bowl. Like the Rams being like, we don't need first round picks, fuck it. It's because you have Matt Stafford. And you're like, I know that I can like support the, I can add a third story to the house if I trust the foundation.

And I think in general, it's like, ah, Daniel Jones or like the Steelers giving the money to DK.K. Mecca with Aaron Rogers. I don't like that strategy ever. If you don't even know if the quarterback is good enough to win in the playoffs. Yeah. I also think it's just when you're trading multiple first round picks for a corner, like a guy that's like on the outside, there's a lot of like,

I know this is sort of a cliche, it's like you build from the trenches. And the foundation thing that you said, I think makes a lot of sense. He's like he's not really a foundation piece. he's like, you know, he's just not going to be involved in that many plays. Exactly. And like, this is the thing.

This part's not hindsight. I admit that Donald thinks hindsight. This is not. We said this when the hat. We said this the day of the trade deadline. Act like you've been there before for the cults. Like you're seven to one. Act like you've been there.

And you know what? The Patriots never did. Thought they could win the Super Bowl and flip two first for somebody. Like you don't see the Eagles do that. You don't see the chiefs do that. It's like people point to the Rams. Cool. That's like pointing to Adrian Peterson's ACL recovery.

We didn't see anyone come back and look. better until it took 13 years until Christian Watson this year for someone to come back from an ACL and look better. It's like, what about all the other cases? And I'm sorry to Tom, Tom. I just want to say the Colts thing, the two firsts. I just keep thinking about the so. And again, it sucks. Like he had a calf strain, but the Colts looked at it and it was just the classic overconfidence. It's not that different than the fantasy guy. He's like, oh my God, I could win this year and they go all in. And it's like the whole point is you build a team. You can contend every year. and you add the pieces and you need the first-round picks to be good to keep contending.

And what bothers me is when I keep thinking about the 2019 Super Bowl Patriots, the ones, the last one, or the 2018-19-1s, the last one that won of the Belichick-Bradie dynasty that beat the crap out of the Rams in the Super Bowl, and the worst Super Bowl we've ever watched. And they needed a cornerback, and they traded 20 picks back in the seventh round, and they got Jason McCordy from the Browns, Devin McCordy's brother. And Jason McCordy deflected the game-winning pass in the super. Super Bowl.

Brandon Cooks was wide up in the end zone. Jason McCordy knocked it back. That is what the, like, they needed a cornerback. They just picked one up off the fucking scrap beep and they managed to make it by. And just the two firsts for a guy that got hurt, I don't know. It sucks. So I feel bad for the Colts, but it didn't make sense at the time. Speaking of cornerback trades, the other one here that just two first for sauce Gardner,

it's funny to think how much first run picks were traded in the AFC South for quarterbacks that didn't really play much this year. But we have to come back to the. the Travis Hunter trade because the Jaguars look like that, you know, the Jaguars are a week away from beating the Broncos to getting the first scene of AFC. I almost forgot Travis Hunter was like on the team. Right. I know.

DeKam, curiously, can you imagine if I told you that Travis Hunter is going to be, honestly, this whole thing is going to look as bad as it can get. And also the Jags might get the number one sitting in the NFC. I know. It is funny that they're doing so well despite making this trade that so far has not aged well. I mean, I think so far, the, it's probably not hyperbole to say, like, their worst fears are kind of coming true so far that instead of becoming an elite player at two positions, he's kind of just an okay player at them. Huh. Both, which was like the fear.

Obviously, this is early on in his career, but the other thing that's coming true is like, hey, look, playing every single snap is hard on your body. He got hurt, the LCL injury in practice, and he's missed, you know, a good chunk most of the year. So, yeah, this is kind of like the way it's run out so far is not, you know, it's not worst case scenario, but it's kind of close. You know, because he's just really not been an impact player on either side of the ball. In a vacuum, it's a one out of, it's a one star. But if you look at how the Jaguars are doing, you can kind of brush over it. But I mean, they gave up next year's first round pick. They gave up this year's second round pick that turned into Quinn Sean Judkins.

Mm-hmm. The Brown's got Mason Graham, who's like a productive rookie defensive. tackle for a guy who is I don't I don't know is he's going to be the third best receiver on the team next year like what it's just I was driving the bandwagon for Travis Hunter being a two-way player in the NFL and obviously that has if it's not going to work this is how it works how the rookie year would go and I didn't even I didn't love to trade up for him because you're kind of they traded like they're assuming he can do it instead of trying but I got to tell you this is how if he never ends up being good in the NFL this is how it goes because the Jaguress

have to make a difficult decision do you have Travis Hunter try to play two positions in the NFL again while rehabbing knee surgery off tearing his LCL. Or do you specialize him probably to wide receiver and acknowledge that you use the fifth pick, the 36th pick

and next year's first for a guy that's probably going to start next year is your number three wideout or your number three cornerback and you specialize. Wow, what timing? I think that about says it. I still think there's a chance he turns into something closer to what we were expecting,

but obviously, I'd say right now, the, you know, the returns are horrific. Well, the thing that makes it, honestly, the whole thing look worse is the next trade here is Jacobi Myers to Jacksonville, which we haven't talked about enough. But I think, which the Travis was up to look worse. But the trade compensation is at the deadline. The Jaguards got Jacoby Myers and they sent a fourth and a sixth round pick to the Raiders. And my letter box review of this, I think this is a four and a half. I think this is a four and a

like a fun rom-com if you judge just the last two months I enjoyed it dude yeah it's it's like neon or 824 picking up some little indie film and that gets nominated for an Oscar like wow that worked out that was cheap the jacks

the jaguar since they traded for Jacoby Myers have the second most points in the entire league the only team that is more is the ramps like Trevor Lawrence has three of his best five games in his career are the last three weeks and again if the Jags beat the Broncos this week the Jags might be the one seed, man.

I know that's a tough task, but like, that's what we're talking about. Stephen Ruiz had this in his column this week, and I couldn't believe it. The number one quarterback in EPA per drop back this season. So it's like the best stat we have, expected points out of per dropback. The number one quarterback this year is just Trevor Lawrence when Jacobi Myers is on the field. He's ahead of Drake and Stafford and Josh. Exactly what they needed. And what's incredibly is without when Jacob Myers has not been on the field this season,

Trevor Lawrence ranks 38th in APA per dropback alongside like Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. The disparity in Jacobi Myers is on off, it could not be larger, which is crazy to me. This is, I think this is the perfect illustration and what I was thinking of when we were talking about the Colts. What I was thinking of when we were talking about Travis Hunter is like, you know, it's fun to make these big swings. But man, is it risky? And a lot of times, teams are just going to be better off trading some mid-round pick for a guy whose contract is too expensive for the team he's on. You just pay the money and you get this like productive player and you're better off in the long term. You know what I mean?

Like go instead of the Colts trading for Suss Gardner, they could have traded some mid-round pick for some random journeyman corner and probably he would have been okay. He wouldn't have been like a superstar. But you know what I mean? These are the kinds of decisions you make. And so these big swings while they can sometimes pay off, this is why they're so risky. A hundred percent. And the similar story on that note, I think is the other story. And I have these last, but you could argue these two,

Jacobi Myers, and this one should be first, is the Bears acquiring Joe Tunney and Jonah Jackson, the two guards and trades this year. I mean, people probably forgot about this, but the Bears said a fourth round pick to the chiefs for Joe Tuny, who, again, he was left tackle for the chiefs in the Super Bowl. And he had won the Super Bowl, like three Super Bowls at the Patriots. And then they set a six-round pick for Jonah Jackson and his overbloded contract. And guess what? The Bears have the best running game in the NFL, maybe.

They're second and rushing yards. There's first and rushing first downs. I don't think the Bears make the playoffs this year if they don't go ahead and trade a fourth and a six for their two starting guards. They signed their center in free agency. They even traded back in the second round and they picked up Ozzie Trappolo, who's their left tackle right now, a rookie left tackle, who played right tackle at Boston College in the last two years.

So, you know, a lot of times, you know, we joke that linemen or logs, but it's hard to think of a better move. Like, this is a five. I think this has to be a five. Like they sent a fourth and a six and they literally not only have the running game, but Caleb Williams, and what he's able to do in, the pockets are stronger,

the interior pressure, like Caleb's development is within the environment of having a down center run game and the pocket's not collapsing. Caleb's taken half the sacks. He's like getting through progressions faster. Like you achieved all your goals as an offense, frankly, for a fourth and a sixth. I'm blown away by this.

The bears are literally number one in the NFL in yards before contact per rush. Yep. And I think obviously a big part of that is scheme. The scheme makes a big difference. But I mean, I don't think you can do that without having at least solid starting type players. And that's exactly, I think, what they acquired. So, yeah, I mean, these are the, this is another great example. It's like, these are the types of moves that end up being more impactful than some of these big splashy moves a lot of the time, maybe half the time.

Well done. There we go. Well done, Ben. You did it. Are we waiting for top time? They made DeAndre Swift and Kyle Munangai great. I know. That's the crazy thing.

You know, it's funny. Swift is so good on the edge. And then Ben Johnson's like, what if I just made the hole so big between the tackles that DeAndre Swift thought he's on the sideline? I'll make it so big that he can't miss it. The last one here, I just had to come back to the Bengals

getting Joe Flacco from the Browns within their own division, the first quarterback, quarterback trade inside a division, like ever, basically. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to rate this. Like, for the Bengals, sure. They swapped a fifth and a sixth and got Joe Flacco from the division rival. They went one in five of them, but it was a fun time. I don't know.

It's like getting some old, some old guy to come. He's like the 10th Taylor Sheridan show. And it's like, oh, it's got Sylvester Stallone. I'll watch it. It's good enough. But I don't know. You're talking about Tulsa King? Yeah, sure, yeah.

Tulsa King. I don't know what that's about. This guy runs Tulsa, I think. That makes sense. Pretty, pretty sure. You know, it's funny? I was like, oh, yeah, I went one in five. And then I looked.

I was like, oh, yeah, the Bengals scored 113 points at a three-game stretch with Flacco. Yeah, they made them more fun, that's for sure. Certainly. They lost to the jets, but it was fun. I had a good time. They beat the freaking Steelers. Also, I didn't have that much fun. I don't shoot out.

I know that this isn't maybe related, but it's also not. unrelated. The Bengals got, again, the Browns decided to send Flack into the Bengals for, again, they're probably going to end up turning the 110th pick into the 180th pick to send a starting quarterback to the division. And then Mike Tomlin comes out and is like, this is the craziest thing I've seen a team do. And Tomlin was like, they must be a lot smarter than me. Yeah, yeah. And he's so mad. He's the only team they beat. And then all I'm saying is one month later, the guy who ran the Browns, Paul de Potesta, who taught Paul de Podesta, who was Jonah Hill and Moneyball, is running the Rockies a month later.

Like he leaves the team. And I'm not saying it's because of the flacco thing, but like I, it feels maybe not unrelated. Hopefully the Steelers kick the shit out of the Browns as punishment in two weeks. I think they're going to fucking destroy them. I just, yeah. Something the Giants would do. Okay. All right, Tom, Tom, Tom.

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Fantasy court, it's in session. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched. It's playoff fantasy court. I hope we get some doozies. It is playoff fantasy court. So this one's special. This is Dynasty Court, which is like, you know, some people get really, you know, it's a little weird. Interesting. So this is from Dan.

Dan. Dan says, I'm the commissioner of an 18-year-old dynasty league with my college buddies. Last weekend, a guy from Philly named Pat went out to Los Angeles for the Eagles game. Saturday he meets up with another guy in the league, Steve, who's, you know, he lives in Los Angeles. So the two of them play golf before they go to this Eagles Rams game. and apparently they wagered their first round picks in next year's rookie draft on the golf match. Steve won.

And so Pat went double or nothing on the 18th hall at golf. It's like a press, but I'm not getting to golf gambling jargon. But so they go double nothing for his second round pick in 2027, and he loses that too. So Pat owes his first round pick in 2026 and his second in 2027, basically the Quinn and Williams trade to this guy, just because he lost to golf. D.K.

Dan wants to know, do I allow this transfer of picks? Of course. Why are you asking D.K.? What about me? Because D.K. hates golf and loves d. Man. That's a good question.

This is business. Every deal gets made on a golf course in all aspects of corporate life. They're betting each other. You know it's funny? We spend so much time wondering about collusion where we're like,

well, they did this because he has a money or something. And like, but it's funny. actually don't get a ton of, well, they just bet on it and he lost. Like, that's kind of funny. I mean, this, this reminds me a little bit about how my buddy traded a pick for a car in real life. Or not a piggy beach. He traded like some running back. Okay, like Michael Turner for a car.

Yeah. And I just, I don't know what to make of that. Because this is like, I think on one hand, I'm with Craig where it's like, this is like you, you're the idiot who decided to bet your first round pick. like we should just let this go through. But it's also, these are the types of things that can like tilt the league, the competitiveness of a league, a dynasty league in particular. So I don't know, I kind of land in the middle. I think ultimately I side with Craig here and think they should let it go. But I don't know.

It's a fine line. I think at the base level, you delete the first round pick and give the guy the second. Why? Because the guy was dumb enough to bet it. He shouldn't get it back. He shouldn't be bailed out. Oh, like at the very. very least.

Yeah, the very least you get, you just delete the pick. You shouldn't be like, he's stupid enough to bet it. Like you got to cut a head off and be like, yeah, if you can just fucking bet your picks, like, I think it's fine. If these two guys made a bet. Two consenting adults. Yeah, about giving up your first round pick, whoever loses and one guy lost. What's the problem there?

Man, how drunk were they on the golf course? The double or nothing on the 18th hole? This is funny. I feel like, I feel like until I read this, I would have been like, you can't bet your picks. Come on. Then I'm reading it. I'm like, you know, the guy was dumb enough to bet his pick.

Of course you can. I mean, look, it's not like something under the table. I'll give you something outside the realm of this league. Right. Like a car. If it's pick for pick, I'm like, but Craig, if you showed up to your regular redraft, not dynasty, you show up to a regular redraft league and your league and you show up at your friend's draft to your oldest league.

And you're like, oh yeah, by the way, your friend, yeah, it's like he, they lost in golf yesterday. So he actually has two picks of the first round this year. Would you, I feel like you'd freak out. I know, that's where, that's like what I'm worried about. There would be a lot of questioning, I think, but I, you're right. I wouldn't love that in the moment, but I would not allow it. You'd be like, this is horseshit.

You can't do that. See, this is what I'm talking about. It kind of, it does shift the competitive balance in the league. No, he, the other guy doesn't get anything back. He just gets a first round pick. I think, I think because you shouldn't be allowed to do this. I think the punishment should be that guy just loses the fucking first rounder because he had the balls to gamble his pick.

but the other guy can get the second as a remedy and then you ban it going forward. So the guy doesn't lose the first and the second. He just loses the first. I think the league needs to decide if this is allowed or not. And whatever they decide in this thing is the policy going forward. If there's no gambling of picks, if they were like, you know what?

You can gamble picks now. Fuck it. Let it stand. If you can't do it going forward, then you could just send them back. But part of me is like, there should be a punishment to this guy for putting his pick on the line. I don't have an issue with this.

it is interesting i've had friends in my league you guys know jackson he loves trading and so i think i've seen him basically send trade offers to teams he thinks he's going to finish ahead of so basically he'll trade with first with a guy who's like he's basically saying you're going to have a worse record than me i want your first that's not this though i know and i'm saying this that's a little different but like that's the kind of stuff i think is totally kosher i don't know this is funny this is like in poker when people start tilting like put your watch on the table when you run out of money. It's like you put the deed to your house down,

start giving away Dynasty first rounders. Also, I want to shout out Jackson you mentioned because he runs the Dynasty League that we're all in with your friends from home, DK, and Jackson, because of my tilting about,

I don't know what socks to wear. He sent me socks for Christmas. Oh, yeah. And a color coded chart on when to wear what socks. Guy. What a guy. What are we deciding?

I feel like you shouldn't be able to do this, but this is funny that it happened. But if it was my league. Yeah, what's the ultimate decision here? Craig is for it. High Fitz is again. I think the league gets to vote, but whatever they decide, it has to be the policy going forward.

I think that if you allow this, then you can do it? Like, I don't know. Can we abstain to just kick it back to them? Be like, I don't know. Kick it back to a lower court? Seemed funny to us. It sounds like a fun bet to me. Can I be honest about not the right decision, but how I feel is it depends on if the guy that won is like I liked him more.

Right. I feel like that's how it ended up being ruled. Is he a good hang? Who is he? Who is he like less annoying? How did they shoot? Are they good golfers or bad golfers? That's the other thing.

It's like if you're gonna like you're gonna be like you bet on that like if the guy loses sucks. Yeah. So we don't know. Okay. So I'm gonna allow it. Yeah. You shouldn't live a little.

If you're dumb enough to bet picks then you have to live with the outcome. That's kind of where I'm at which is why I think this solution isn't to undo it. It's either you allow it or you delete the pick. and be like, there's your punishment. How's area? But this is, here's a good reminder to all the commissioners out there is like, make a rule about this. Make a rule.

Make a rule about this this off season. Okay. Should we give a ringer fantasy league update? Yeah, I think it's time for ringer fantasy league update. We don't have a jingle for that, unfortunately. Use one of the Fartar chart things. By the way, was it Clint who made the song? Well, I can look it up.

Clint is the guy who tweeted us that he put it on YouTube. But did he actually make him? or did he just put it on YouTube? I guess how would he have it? It must be him. Well, he made it, but I think made is like a relative term. Yeah, Clint made it.

Didn't you say he was AI? I think he did because, I mean, a four-minute song. He made it, it was AI? Do we know that? I believe it was AI, unfortunately. I mean, it was a very well-made song. Did he write the lyrics?

Or was it just melodically AI? Unfortunately, I think he just said to, very simple prompted, spent out an amazing song, which is... Craig's like, this is pretty good. I listened to it while having lunch today. Straight up. I wanted to hear the lyrics.

They were very well written. Damn it. Say I? Got by the clankers again. Got caught by the clankers. Those clankers can really make a tune. They fucking... Are they good at this shit?

It's crazy when you give them the entire history of music. They can figure it out. That's weird. Yeah. Weird of that one. works. Yeah, hi Fitz. I shouldn't be the one to tell people what's going on in the ring or league because I'm in the toilet ball. So, yeah, tough. So tough for Craig. It's kind of the best possible outcome. You two, like two of us are the top two seeds and one of us is battling for last. I think

that's ideal. Yeah, D.K. and I went on by. And so I am pretty sure here. So I'm actually would pull it up. So Mallory beat the, Mallory kind of breaked the breaks off house this week. And Chris Ryan beat Tate, sorry, Chris Ryan beat Sal. By a lot. Yeah. Wow. Sal lost. Sal lost.

Wow. Wow was the wagon for the first. Sal was like the Colts this year, really. Yes. Yeah. And now we have D.K. versus Chris and we have High Fitz versus Mal. And I sent her trade. You on Henderson and now he's going to quit my ass.

Versus Mal what could go wrong. Hy Fitz is Mal is great. But and then now in the toilet bowl is me versus Sean Fennacy. You fucked up, Craig. You had one important week all year, which was this week to beat Bill. If you beat Bill, you beat Bill. would send me to the toilet bowl and you fucked it up. To be honest, though.

So Bill's safe. Bill is safe. Craig fucked it up. Look, I did my best. I don't know. Drake Lemon's knee needs to heal. I don't know what to tell you. I did my best. But now it's me and Sean in a two-week bake-off to have the worst fucking team. And I know it would be funny if I lost, but do we got a, I was talking to Sean last week in the office about the headband thing. He's like weirdly into it.

He's like, I might wear one anyway, even if I lose. I don't know if he's like trying to pretend. It doesn't bother him, but I was talking to Liz about this. It's funny, what I told her, what the punishment was for Sean, that he has to wear a headband during a big picture recording. Her first thought was like a headband that women wear, that pushes back your hair that kind of hold your hair back. And my head, it's like an Alan Iverson headband.

Yeah, it's like a LeBron. Oh, like a sweat band. Like a sweat band. Liz, absolutely. It's funny. I was thinking like a karate kid headband. Yeah, something like that. Like a bandana?

Right. tied around your, yeah. So, Andrew, Liz was thinking of, more traditional headband that like you would wear like a soccer guy's like a basketball headband I'm thinking like basketball headband yeah I guess we should have said sweatband but is he going to be able to to get out of that now because of the technicality no absolutely not it needs to be a it needs to be a sweatband absolutely not it's it's it's a headband like a basket this is the ringer we're not not do the basketball style headband so he also is going to kill me because uh the text he was basically

like he's going to do the show that he says it's going to be an hour just deriding my abilities as commissioner. I yeah. What's up, Craig? You don't think I'm doing a great job? No, no. Actually, I, look, I have all the sympathy in the world for commissioners. I'm a commissioner of my home league. People are always fucking pissed.

And you've communicated everything. Nobody reads your text. No one reached your text. Including you by the way. It might be a little long. But, um, getting a little long. People don't want to read a lot. In the office, I saw Chris yesterday. And he was like, so wait, what do I get

if I win this league? And I was like, nothing. You get nothing. He's like, God, damn it. He's like, damn it. Now I'm invested. This is us with the ringer 107. We were like, so what was the answer?

Do we go to Vegas? And it's like, no, there's no. There's no winner. No. There's no prize. Turns out no one's a winner. Yeah. There are punishments, though.

Okay. Is that all we got? Yeah, I think it's time to get out of here. I think so. Okay. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, K. Thank you, K.

Thank you, K. Thank you, K. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Evan, for listening. And, of course. Thank you, Lauren.

Lauren. Thank you, Michael Boubley. I know. It's my pleasure. So happy to do this. Wow. Michael Boubley in person. How did you do that?

You made him magically appear. Oh, wait, you see this. Lauren, come here. I wish she was. I love Lauren. The best. Yeah, who doesn't? You're an SNL legend.

You were on some awesome episodes back in their early 2010s. Oh, yeah, dude. I've been trying to open a restaurant at Hammam and Bubly for many years, but no one will invest in. I watched that today, actually. Kick it the seed, buddy? Oh, my God. Well, I think everyone who's actually made it is probably wondering why and how this happened.

And the true answer, it seems, is that you're actually like a fantasy football sicko. And tell me if I get this wrong, but you're in eight leagues. You have offered to trade your Grammys to win one of your eight leagues. and so we're curious who is the player you drafted this year that you are most angry at? Yeah, how are things going?

Most angry. You know what's sad is it's not eight leagues. I say that, but it was actually nine. One of them was a gelatin league, so I didn't count. Oh, yeah. And I won. I won that league. You did.

Why? Lark Canada League. I said it before on an interview, and I got it wrong. I called Larkinada, but Lark Canada. and the other eight are good. The player, I don't want to ever get angry

because they're people. They're people with families, and they probably hate us. And, you know, many of them secretly probably hate fantasy football too. Have I been disappointed by certain traffic? Yeah, of course. Not as much this year as last year.

Last year was brutal. Can I talk about the ones that I was most happy about? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, please. On the sleepers that hit. Well, lately not as much, but at Buka was like, I had this thing where I just felt it. And I was like, I just think it's going to be great. I think Mayfield is going to throw them a lot.

I know it's busy, but, um, Amerian Hampton, uh, it didn't start great, but then it got great. And then it, obviously the poor guy got injured. And, um, but he's back now, perfect time for second round, which I've made it. Are you doing college football prep? Are you watching the NFL draft? Are you kind of like scouting the rookies as they come into the season? Yeah, you know what's really funny? You guys, just like you.

I love it. And I love hockey too, by the way. So like instead of spending my other, you know, that's really a big hobby. It's like I love watching it, watching you guys, you know, talking about seeing what's happening, who's coming. You know, looking at the rosters and who we have. as backups and you know

I enjoy it in the off season it's a lot of fun to you know I'll be really really honest with you a buddy of mine on one of my group chats yesterday he's lost

he's out and he said I'll talk to you guys in nine months and at first I saw my phone and I was like nine months and then the sobering

it hits hit me and I was like nine months and then I started to count the months I was like nine months no like how I can't you know like in the end of the summer where I'm just like watching around there's no reason to look at my phone because who cares because there's no fantasy football and there's nothing there's no mock traps and so yeah I'm I just really I just enjoy it a lot I really do we got to get you introduced to dynasty leagues you've ever heard of a dynasty league? Of course.

I've heard. Yeah. Rookie drafts. All right. All right. We'll talk. We'll talk about it. It's a good idea that you do nine leagues because it's like you're bound to

hit the playoffs in like a third of them. You might win one. It's like so it's kind of nice. You're playing the odds by having nine different leagues. I also draft a lot of the same guys. I don't love cheering against myself, which is why it's been a great year because in most of the leagues I sort of, I went for a lot of the same guys. And so it's been, it was a really good year.

It's been a great. Can I ask you guys? Because it's obviously playoffs. You guys are in lots, probably too many leagues too. How is it gone for you? We are in a company-wide league at the Ringer. And these two guys made the playoffs. I did not.

Unfortunately, we do have a great punishment system this year. We introduced something new where you're allowed to, we essentially add a round to the end of the draft. And so it's basically like you draft whatever it is, like 17 players, but we add an 18th round, and you're allowed to draft a bowl of punishment. So we have, like, 10 to 12 possible punishments. So rather than it being one punishment for whoever gets last,

you get to pick out of a hat and be like, I want this to be my punishment, and you can draft it whenever you want throughout the draft. So if you want to be like, you know what, no caffeine for a week is one of the punishments, I want to get that out of the way early. I'm going to draft that in round five instead of a player. That's kind of like a new system.

We're trying to really... That's amazing. But who would ever draft to lose? No. I know. That's a thing. I like that. What are your favorite punishments?

I know. We did our punishment. What was it? What is it? What is your punishment? Ours is a pancake thing. You got to go to a restaurant and you have to eat. Every pancake you eat, it's like the booze thing.

You do the Waffle House thing. Is it 24 hours in a pancake house? You know what the best part about it is? For almost the whole year, I don't think I've had many conversations. conversations with Colin without calling him a pancake-eathing motherfucker. And I was just, there's so many reasons to use it. That's a draft day reference, if you guys are. Of course, the greatest movie ever made.

I think it won the Academy Award, if I'm not correct, and won the Academy Award for the best movie ever made. Yes, I believe that's right. It's true. The bestest picture of them all. Also, so I'm curious, are you, D.K. is from... Seattle. Are you a Seahawks fan? Yeah, I'm a Seahawks fan.

And through some friends, I became, I would say, a fan of the Chiefs. I mean, I really, this is a few years before they kind of got on the run. A friend of mine, his name is Eric Stone Street. And he's among many things from a show called Mauderd Family. And he is such a, he's a great dude, beautiful guy. And he would bring me down to the camp and stuff. when I got to meet guys and hang. You know, I'm a big Brett Beach fan.

And so it was just impossible not to pull from. I really liked them. And then, of course, they started to win. And it's like, while that feels good. You know, it's funny, I'm here. I'm about to do the voice. And Snoop would make fun of me all the time because he's a big Pittsburgh fan. And he'd make fun of me.

He'd be like, don't trip on the bandwagon, boobley, and all that. It must be really hard to be a chiefs, man. Now it's going to be, you know, now no one can say that. It's going to be, you know, it's not going to be easy. I mean, to be honest, we're still going to say it. I mean, I noticed that you flipped in like the I got in there before, but, you know, it's okay. We say this all the time. People should be bandwagon fans more.

Like, it's how people start being fans. Like, when kids, kids usually adopt a team because they're good when they're a kid. And they're like, yeah, you know, this is fun. This is a very, this is funny that we're talking about this because I, uh, You know what? I hate, I don't love when people have, like, you should have one team and hate everyone else. You know what I mean? So I'm really struggling with this.

It's a struggle. It is. And it's like I'm friends with these people. And so I do want them to, you know, but, you know, deep in my heart, I've been a Seahawks fan my whole life. Yeah. My whole life. Like, that's the first thing. I have besides the Blue Jays, I ever felt like I won anything.

Like when, you know what I mean? Like when they won. And it was like, and so yeah, like, yeah, like I'm watching the game yesterday and, or whatever this, you know, I'm watching the game last week that they played. And yeah, it's going to the end of the game and I've, you know, got butterflies in my stomach because I care. Yeah, I was going to ask like if the Seahawks play the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, like in your heart of hearts in your gut, who do you think you're pulling for there? I think it would be impossible not to say the Seahawks. Yeah. Just like if I had a truth serum.

But let me tell you why this all becomes so complicated. Because yesterday, as I was, or the day I was watching that game, the Seattle game, I was also watching the guy I was playing with Myers kicking the shit. And every time he would kick, I would just go like, oh no, oh God, oh no. And then that's when this is when this is a lie within yourself. Complex. Because, you know, you want the Seahawks to win, but then you're going like, just miss this one.

Just miss this. Oh, it's so, it's compelling. Yeah, you have to balance. Do I want to lose in fantasy? Do I want my team to lose the 44-year-old Philip Rivers, who hasn't played in five years? That's kind of tricky. But I will say, the torn art thing is real.

I'm a Giants fan, so I've started rooting for fantasy. Suddenly I'm like, oh, I'd rather the Giants lose. You're for the players going against you. You mentioned the Seox Chiefs thing. The other one is you mentioned the Blue Jux. and let's be real, your heart was probably torn in the World Series 2

because, you know, Grammys are nice, but honestly, the coolest thing you've probably got going is that Otani uses your song as his walk-up song.

How did you find that out? Yeah, I mean, so not torn, by the way. Huge Otani, like huge Otani fan. Every time he goes up, it's like I had goosebumps and I realized how,

it's funny, my manager and I, I realize culturally be how unbelievable this is that the greatest player arguably who's ever played the game that he this is part of the story now like two times and this is not going to be the third year or whatever um but no there was nothing i was not torn in any way i'm a blue jay sir again i mean a little a little's okay no no no no no i was on it i was on like an air can or a flight with terrible internet, refreshing every three seconds,

and just going like, oh, no, no, I was, I wasn't torn, guys. It's got to be like a little bit. It's like, it's like the Seahawks thing with Jason Myers. It's like, maybe you want Otani to hit a couple homers. High-scoring game. Yeah, they lose 10 to 9. No, like totally. When he walked up and just, it was like,

what's even crazier is he was pitching too. And so then it starts with the song. You know what I mean? I have more people blowing up my phone I mean, you know what? It's been really good lately. Yeah. Honestly.

You got Otani. You got Otani. I mean, it's Christmas. I'm everywhere. And soon Valentine's Day and Mother's Day will come. And I will be dominant once again. I'm going to win to the second round of the fans. You're going to win.

Yeah. And. God, dang. Yeah. I want to, how did you find out that Otani used your song? Were you watching? Did somebody text you?

Like, when it first happened, how did you find out? I found out because I found out. because I watched the games. I mean, I watched the games and he's amazing. So I obviously like everyone else, hope he'd go to my home team. And then I got to meet him and got to thank him. And it was just very cool to.

And I'm buddies with Dave, and he's like, obviously, I was really happy for him. And great, great, great manager. Great, great man. So, yeah, I mean, listen. you want listen my grandpa used to say it to me all the time um he used to say sunshine it's just a game and it would just give me context in my life because as you know and all the people that are watching this know sometimes it's sometimes it's it's you get down like you really do like people

people always won't if they don't know and they don't say play fantasy football they won't know how much it actually means to you and like when you You know, when you get knocked out or you lose the championship, it's, you care. Like, you care. You care all year. You care, you know, so. But at the same time, you know, it's always good to have context and, you know, know, what's important. I'm saying this to my office therapy.

Right. You're like preparing. Talk to you into existence. No, by the way, just said you know, too, it's like, I got point, 10 points from Neil. And I was like, oh, what a genius. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So smart.

You know, like, Watson, I was like, and then it was just, I just watched guy after guy, and I was like, oh, God, oh, God. Next year I will be working the wave of fire very hard and praying. Just draft the guys that don't get hurt. It's easy. But to your point, the one thing I want to ask you about, obviously, I don't have to do the whole thing. Like, you know, King of Christmas. Obviously, you've had success with the Christmas music.

I mean, number one album, not just domestically, but like globally, your albums have reached number one. Obviously, that ended up being a good decision. However, having said that, I did want to ask, at any point, have you ever regretted turning Christmas into like a work thing? Oh, no, no, no. It's not a work thing at all.

Can I ask you guys, seriously? Is fantasy football a work thing for you guys? Sometimes. When do you have to watch a game on Christmas? Yeah. where people are like, do I play Kyle Pitts or Jalen Waddle? And I'm like, I don't know. This is going to sound like it's, but this is really the truth.

Okay. I love it. I love it. The world can suck. It be a very cynical place and the dark place. And I'm invited into hundreds of millions of homes all over the planet in a time that is hugely important for me. and my family, my kids, my faith and all that. And I'm invited in to celebrate this time where everybody's a little bit kinder.

By the way, love the songs. Like, forget about it being holiday stuff. They're great songs. Like, a great crafted song. So I've always dug it. And to be really honest, in a business sense, my heroes, the dudes that I love, ladies I love, like when I look at say, Elvis or Frank or Dean.

There was always like the common denominator with them all was that each of them had like they had their holiday thing. Like you're not going to be one of the great crooners. And if you don't have that, then you're, I mean, seriously, that's how I always, I mean, it was like growing up in my house, it was Bing and Elvis and Frank and it was like, wow, you know. And by the way, I love all their other stuff. but yeah, I never gets ever, and I love making fun of it. I love making fun of myself. It's funny too,

because my manager's in the other room, and they used to get mad because they, people, like the company or whoever, would always call on Mother's Day. And they go, oh, we need them to go and do the Today Show. We need them to go on Mother's Day. And then they started calling on Valentine's Day.

And they were, he's not just a Mother's Day guy or the Valentine's Day guy. You know, Christmas came and now it's like, listen, it's, I just need to get, if I can just get a hold of Halloween. Right. Yeah. Get your foot in the door on that. Not much Thanksgiving music either. I do want to ask. Thanksgiving. The Thanksgiving might be the best of all the holidays. That might be the one.

Yeah. I mean, we have planes, trains, and automobiles is like the only Thanksgiving movie. There's like really nothing else. It's kind of bizarre. You know that that's, you know, that's my favorite. Yeah? Fave movie of all, yeah. That scene where John Candy at the end of the movie, where Steve Martin realizes he, he, He's kind of, he, it all kind, that, I think that might be one the most beautiful scenes ever. How do you, how do you decide? We've done a lot of places with this today. Yeah, this is exactly what we do at the end of the show. So you're, you're fitting in perfectly.

I do, so wait, when you make the, when you decide to make a Christmas album, how do you decide how many songs you want to just cover versus originals? Like, is it, is it kind of an extra badge of honor to be like, I made an original Christmas song that's a banger? I don't know. I mean, it's so weird, guys, because, like, we're talking about an album that's, 13 years old now, it'll probably be, you know, a big part of my legacy. And that'll, you know, a hundred years from now when I'm unfrozen from the Crytetic Chamber, right, right. I will still be around. You and Philip Rivers.

You're Philip Rivers. Damn, if I look as good as Philip Rivers does, damn, that dude, can you believe that? No. What the hell? It's the weirdest thing. He's a grandfather. He literally has a grandchild and he's starting in the NFL. By the way, by the way, it wasn't like he was playing like some weak D. Yeah, no. That was most definitely not in any of our... We were nervous. We did not know that was going to happen.

Yeah, I mean, I stupidly started Tyler Warren thinking that maybe there was a shot that Philip Rivers would throw him the ball, and that was ill-advised. I now know going forward that I don't think any Colts players are really viable for the rest of the season with Phil, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah.

Just how it goes. Are you okay, Craig? I'm not okay. No, I know. I'm not even joking. Hey, dude, call me, we can talk. I do therapy for you. It's actually crazy how angry.

It's like road rage fantasy football. Like, when you lose a close game, like, there's really nothing worse. Like, I got kicked out of the playoffs in my home league last night. And there's just, like, my wife texts me like, what's up? How are you? And I'm like, pretty bad, honestly. I'm unreasonably angry. And fantasy is unique that way.

So I'm tonight going to be on The Voice. This is my second and last ever show, watching. watching my artists perform and as nervous as I am about that, I am up 110 to 109. He has Waddle and I have Pittsburgh's kicker. And so just pray for me, think about me. Yeah. Can you check your phone during the taping?

I would love to see that as a yostura. Oh my God, I have a film. Yeah. I will be doing. Of course I will be. And by the way, those, some of the,

I won't say what, because I don't want to give it away, but some of the notifications, some of the apps and stuff, I mean, they're the reason. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, you know, I have to tell you, I picked up and dropped Brian Robinson 62 times this last year. Oh my God. Oh my God.

It was like, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah. It drives you crazy. The last thing I have to ask you before we let you go is I know last we were going back and forth about scheduling and you played a concert for the Pope at the Vatican last week.

And that is really cool. And it was for a good cause. And having said that, I actually really would like to start with. Is the Pope chill? Like, is he a good hang? I couldn't. I would, you know what? Here's what I will say.

I would love to tell you to play it cool and say that, you know, yeah, it was, it is the, it is the most meaningful thing I've ever done in my life. And probably I will ever do, you know. The Grammys, they'll come and go every year, as will, the Academy Awards and, you know, other big moments. But that moment was, and I realized that when I was in the moment, that it was, it was really the biggest honor I've ever had. And this is what I'm going to say to all of you. And I have my own thing. And so I'm not going to ever push what I feel on you.

But you, you three beautiful guys, all of us, have this beautiful light inside us, you know? All of us do. And if you think about it and you're more present in that more often, I don't know. I think there's way more reason to be good. and kind and not be scared and, you know, so I just tried to think about that when I was there. And he was very, very sweet.

Now, if I could go back, you know, in that moment what I have asked them to pray for my fantasy team, probably. I was going to ask if you were going to try and get in a league with him. Does he owner if he plays fantasy? He can only draft Cardinals. We're going to put the Pope in a pancake house for 24 hours. He can only draft Chicago guy. That's right.

You have to spend 24 hours in the Sistine Chapel. a non guy, my son. That's amazing. Hey, thank you so much for doing this with us. We appreciate you tolerating our nonsense. Thank you. Good luck going on. I can't wait to talk to you guys again.

And just know, when you give advice and stuff, I never blame you if it's wrong. I understand. Oh, you can. No one's perfect. That's what we're here for. I know. Honestly, we're like, yeah. That's why we exist so people don't have to blame themselves.

You bring joy. to people's lives and then we can be blamed for all their troubles. That's kind of like the role. Combination. Yeah, exactly. It's really about sharing the misery. Yeah. You guys are living.

You guys are living a dream, man. You're living a dream. What a beautiful life, man. You get to do what you do. It's amazing. I mean, how many dudes right now would die that that was their job, like, the best thing ever. We'll switch some time. I'll, you know, we can start dancing Christmas.

Michael Fabiano about it lots. I'm like, hey, man. He's like, you know, we talk about how much fun it would be to do somebody is. Well, if you want to come back during draft season in August, you just let us know. Cool. God, it's a long way away, Jens. Nine months, awesome. Hey, thank you so much.

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