The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Biggest Trade Deadline Moves, Fantasy Court, and Tom Brady Cloned His Dog

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

The guys give their instant reactions to the flurry of moves at the NFL trade deadline, getting into the Jets' many moves, what the hell Jerry Jones and the Cowboys are up to, and much more. They then answer a Fantasy Court question and some emails before closing the show. (00:00) Start of show (01:55) Recapping the NFL trade deadline (03:38) Sauce Gardner to the Colts (10:47) Quinnen Williams to the Cowboys (19:59) Assessing the Jets’ deadline (31:25) Jacoby Brissett to start for Arizona at QB (36:00) Rashid Shaheed to the Seahawks (40:28) Jakobi Meyers to the Jaguars (43:58) Eagles bolster their defense (51:40) Dolphins part with GM Chris Grier (54:32) Trevor Penning to the Chargers (58:30) Ringer Fantasy League update (1:00:00) Fantasy Court (1:06:16) Tom Brady cloned his dog (1:12:47) Emails Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther This episode is brought to you by American Eagle. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Dana Hyphen. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coraloveka. Today it is power hour where every power, well, every Wednesday we power rank something. And today we are power ranking the biggest trades on the trade deadline. The trade deadline just passed literally minutes ago. We're recording this just a little after Four Eastern,

one Pacific on Tuesday. Fun trade deadline. I feel like it usually sucks, but this one was actually cool, right, D.K. I mean, there was some massive blockbuster trades, mainly by the Jets. But yeah, very, very fun. Lots of different, lots of exciting moves, lots of moves that didn't happen as well.

But yeah, love to talk about it. We're going to go through all those, fantasy court emails and more. But first, quick break. This episode is presented by Chime Bank Smarter this season. Fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money. Trade banking fees for fee-free banking, 1.5% cashback. getting paid when you say, and a higher APY on your savings.

That's the lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank smarter through CHIME. CHIME is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services and the secured CHIM visa credit card provided by the Bank NA or Stride Bank NA, members FDIC. Optional services and products may have fees or charges. Details at chime.com slash fees info.

with a qualifying direct deposit earned 1.5% cashback on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at chime.com. Okay. We're going to get into the trade deadline. Just going to dive right in here. Overall, wait, Craig, what was the final count? Because Shefter, I was actually had it. There was a trade that actually beat the buzzer right at 4 Eastern. So what was the final count on trades today? seven trades today, which is the third most of any trade deadline going back to 1990. It's funny. And they're all recent. There were 10 trades in 2022. There were eight in 2024. Now there were seven in 2025. So a lot of eager beavers lately swapping players in the 21st century in the last

decade really. Before we also get started, so today, Power Hour, we're going to do it a little differently. Usually we hear Tom Tom Tom. But Tom Tom's on by this week. We're not doing Tom Tom Tom. There's just, it's just, we can't spend only two minutes on Sauce Gardner going to the culture, Quinn and Williams getting traded. So Tom Tom will be taking a leave of absence this week. The idea of Draymont Jones and Sauce Gardner today getting equal time was ridiculous. Yeah. Also, so before we get started, we'll get into all the big trades. I did want to point out, I don't know why I found this funny. Adam Schaefter tweeted at 1243 p.m. Pacific, so 17 minutes before the end of the trade deadline.

line. Eagles, AJ Brown, has not and will not be traded today as there's 15 minutes left. Like, like, as if the Eagles have been, like, I don't know, that to me totally was like. Pencils down. Yeah. We're not doing anything else. But it's kind of, I don't know, to me, that signals like they probably listened to a million offers and then decided the very end. You know what? No, we're not going to do it. And now they're trying to pretend as though they were never going to trade him. But anyway, okay. First trade here. The Humdinger, the Jets, trade cornerback sauce Gardner to the Colts for two first round picks

plus wide receiver 80 Mitchell. Hyvitz, first reaction. I feel like this is the kind of trade you do if you're the cults when you think you can win a Super Bowl. But for the love of God, can you act like you've been there before? I does feel like a lot. I mean, Micah Parsons went for two first round picks.

This is a cornerback who, DK, where would you say sauce Gardner sits right now atop the cornerback rankings? Because I think three years ago, we would have said something different than maybe right now. Right. I think like originally or after his rookie year,

he would have been like in the top tier. I would say he's definitely not in my eyes the top tier corner, but probably the second tier, which is still very good, but worth two first rounders and mortgaging your future of your franchise. I don't know. I'm not sure about that. Two first and a player is what the Cowboys got for Michael Parsons.

And it's one of those you look at like, you saw Scarier. You're like, why didn't the Colts just go get Michael Parsons? And maybe Dallas would have taken that. But it's kind of how can you not think that? Because they didn't know Daniel Jones was going to be awesome and their team was going to be fucking great.

Exactly. That's the thing. Yeah. I think Chris Ballard, the GM is just, this is a heat check. This is what an NBA player pulls up, has makes four threes and just pulls up for 40 feet. Chris Bowler's looking at this team. He's built. He's like, oh my God, this is our shot.

But I think it's weird for a couple reasons. One, any cornerback for two first is a lot. Like Patrick Sertan, Derek Stingley, those are elite cornerbacks that travel, like lockdown, like, you know, Derell Revis cosplay, just locking down guys. Sauce Gardner at his ceiling. is still a tier below that. But what's weird is they're not paying for who Sauce Gardner was the last two years.

Like, just like a year ago at this time, like DJ Reed was probably playing better at cornerback for the Jets than Sauce Gardner was. And to your point, I think Soss Gardner was the first cornerback to ever make all pro his first two seasons. Then he learned to play golf. Again, we've talked to with this a lot.

No one's ever gotten better at their job when they're like, I'm going to learn how to play golf. No one's ever gotten better at their job, ever after learning how to play golf. But the team has sucked. I think there's questions to the coaching staff, how he's wanted to play cornerback with this new, with this new regime or whatever. But the Colts are very much banking on him being better on their team than he was on the Jets,

which is just a weird thing to say about someone you're giving up two first round picks for. It's also owed a lot of money over the next like four or five years. Well, his extension hasn't even really kicked in yet. Right. So he's extension. He's getting, Soss just signed a deal for about 30 million a year. It's the other part of this that I don't understand. The Jets aren't really taking dead money without going into all the accounting,

nonsense. Basically, dead monies when there's a big signing bonus in addition to salaries and they chop up the bonus and spread it over future years. And so if teams are like a Russell Wilson thing, the Broncos are like, well, we have to take all these big dead cap hits. You have to give us more draft capital because we'll offset with the cheap rookie contracts. But the Jets are not taking dead caps. So why the fuck did you have to give two first run picks and a player? Like how did the Jets even get A. D. Mitchell thrown in it. Maybe the Jets were so sick of them. They were like, you got to take this guy. Ad. Mitchell's a throw in. Let's be clear. I know. But I just the fact that they had to throw anything in overall is just I'm just surprised the Colts paid this much.

Right. Yeah. I think it's like the way that I look at this is if he turns into a player that can shut down one side of the field and give you the schematic, I guess, you know, versatility to do that. Basically, if he can shut down his side of the field and do that consistently, no one's going to be complaining about this trade, you know, as the playoffs kind of roll around. But there are, there's questions just like.

from a process point of view, is a cornerback worth two first round picks. I think there's been a few. Dorel Revis probably would have been at his peak, Richard Sherman possibly at his peak. But again, he was a little bit scheme dependent. I just think it's a huge, huge gamble for the Colts to do this.

But I also understand why they did it. Like they are, their offense, as we've said all year, I mean, one of the best, if not the best in the NFL, one of the best we've seen in the century in terms of points for drive

and efficiency numbers, all that stuff. It's like, this is the opportunity. This is the time to go do it. They had one of the worst cornerback groups in the NFL. So I can see both sides of it. I think I'm a little nervous for the Colts, but at the end of the day, I understand why they did it. The Rams gave up two first for Jalen Ramsey won the Super Bowl. It's been done. Also, Jalenin's way better than Sauce Gardner. And also, if the Rams didn't, we all forget that we would have made a ton of fun of the Rams for giving up all those picks and not getting at the Super Bowl. This reminds me in some ways of what the Niners did where they trade up for Trey Lance, which is a quarterback. It's different. But

you're like, imagine the Niners had the two extra first and just sat and didn't have to trade up for Tray Lance where the Niners could have been if they had made those Super Bowls. Like the Colts, anything short of it, you're going to want these picks for next year. And again, so what the deep, look, Louana Rumo, who's the Colts defensive coordinator, you know, so now the idea obviously sauce guard is going to be an outside cornerback and then Charverius Ward who's banked up right now, but I think he'll be back in a couple weeks. And so if he's the outside cornerback, you've Kenny Moore is playing great at Nickel

cornerback and always has been, he's probably one of the better quarterbacks at Nickel in the entire league. And I think that Jalen Jones is solid Indianapolis. I think the problem is McCoy Blackman has been like unplayable. Shout out again forever, Cody, Cody Alexander at match quarters, who does tremendous, tremendous stuff on defense.

But I think McCai Blackman really, I think Chris Ballard probably had nightmares at night about Mackay Blackman just costing them a playoff game. And they were like, we need to get better than the secondary. But I also just keep thinking, I'm like, I don't,

it would have been cooler to have Michael Parsons. I don't know. But that's like kind of water under the bridge at this point. Like, like Frank said, they didn't know that they were going to be this good on offense. They didn't know that Daniel Jones was going to be this good. It was a earnest, genuine quarterback competition between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson. This is just a heat check. It's just a heat check.

It's a little, the timing is also a little tough because they just had a dud of a game against the Steelers. Daniel Jones did not look good. It's like if they would have made this, a week ago, I almost feel like you could talk yourself into it more. Yeah, it's like it's one of those things where you probably got to overspend to make a splash. Do you think they could have won the Super Bowl with a non? sauce Gardner Colts defense? I think that's the exact question you ask. And I think the answer is no.

I think they looked at their us and they're like, we can't win a Super Bowl with this defense. You know what? If you think you have a shot, it's very hard to have a fucking shot to win the Super Bowl. And if you think this is kind of a weird year

for the AFC, the Chiefs have four losses. Maybe the bills aren't as good. We could be the one seed. It's like us or the Patriots. Maybe we think we could beat these teams. Even if it's an overspend, Like you said, the Jalen Ramsey thing. If it works, no one's going to care.

I agree. It's going to take a month because they're going to Germany for this game versus the Falcons this week. Then they're on buy and then they'll come back. And it's like, it's not an easy defense to learn. That's the other thing. It's like this colds. It's pretty complicated. So it really is going to be how sauce carders playing around Christmas is going to be more.

If he's an immediate impact kind of like, Mick up Fitzpatrick was an immediate impact for the Steelers when they traded a first round for him a couple of him a couple of years when they traded for him a first round. It's not the same thing because he was on a rookie deal. What's the golf situation in Indianapolis right now? Oh, that's a great point. Can he keep like golf in the winter? Well, it's getting cold. Yeah. I know.

He can play in New York either, but. And the Jets games haven't mattered in the winter. Yeah. So that's a good point. There's something there. And we're going to get to the Jets side of this because the Jets were involved with another major trade, which we'll get to right now. So the Jets traded their defensive tackle Quinn and Williams to the Cowboys

for a 2026 second round pick, a 27 first round pick, and defensive tackle Mazi Smith. Grade this. from Jerry Jones's mind. What like how would you grade this inside Jerry Jones's mind? If it's I think in Jerry Jones's mind it is very similar to when you post a really hot looking Instagram Thirst Trip shortly after a breakup with your ex and you are like oh man this is this is gonna make them feel bad and I don't know if that's true it's probably not but in his head he's like man we look good. So the The Cowboys essentially traded away Micah Parsons in return for Quinn and Williams,

Kenny Clark, and a late first run pick. Correct? Kind of, yeah. I think, I don't even know if they really added a pick as much as they turned. They moved up. They turned a second into a late first. Yeah. Yeah. For Quinn and Williams and Kenney. Yeah, he turned the top five pass rusher on the edge into two, like, good defensive tackles and a higher draft pick. Yeah. And look, I guess this is this is them wanting to stop the run more than one. running to sack the quarterback, right?

This is them short. They also traded for a linebacker. This is them shoring up the middle of their defense. I suppose you could say, if you're Jerry Jones, that was the goal here. In his mind, yes. Right?

Right. They're terrible against the run. And now this is solving that specific issue. I guess. Solving is a strong word. I know that we keep. I really do think that this is the order you have to have this conversation.

And maybe I'm a broken record from August, but this is all part of the same conversation. Jerry Jones is a showman and a businessman first, an entertainer first, and a football owner's second. And Jerry Jones uses contract negotiations to create free media attention about his business. And he's clearly good at it because they're worth like $11 billion. So the DAC Prescott extension, the CD Lamb extension, the Michael Parsons extension, all those guys wanted to get it done earlier. Jerry, not the player, dragged it out longer than it needed to. for the free media coverage. Bill Barnwell at ESPN put out a great article explaining putting a number on it of

if Jerry had just signed these guys when they wanted to get the deal done and not waited because other people signing the interim who are worse for more money and the number goes up. Jerry Jones cost himself about $85 million over like a two or three year period getting DAC and CD and Micah dragging it out. So even if you want to be generous to Jerry Jones and what Jerry Jones said, well, it's too expensive to pay CD and DAC and Mike a half the cap. Yeah, if you had gotten the deal done earlier, they'd be like under 40%, not over 50, which is a margin that's flipped the math. And that's being generous to the man. Never mind. Like, but so I think they look at it and they're like either, oh, wait,

this is too much money to pay for three players or they're like big dick swinging contest with David Mulligato is the most powerful agent in the NFL at this point. And they trade him. And I do think that this is all, frankly, a post-impulsive decision rationalization of like, for sure. You know what? We don't even need, like, edge rushers, you can scheme random anyway. You know what matters? Defensive tackles, beef, stopping the run. And they're chewing two things with once here. They whiffed on the Monsey Smith pick. The worst Cowboys pick in like 15 years, basically, was Monsey Smith, the defensive tackle. He's done nothing for them. That's also kind of their fault, too, because he was like really athletic, smaller guy. Kind of? Told, well, told him to gain 15 pounds.

they didn't tell him to cut 15 pounds. I don't know if he's going to be good, but they didn't help him. So they're like flipping Monsey Smith as part of this deal to the Jets, and they're like, well, if Quinn and Williams, Kenny Clark will be better

in the interior of their line. But I think it's frankly a lot, and Dekam, curious what you think. I feel, I can't tell if there is a world where this does work because the Cowboys defense

was bad last year with Micah. So this could work for Dallas because they also added a middle linebacker Logan Wilson from Cincinnati. The front seven's better. But my read on this, and I really want to know what you think DK is,

I feel like this is a bunch of post like football X's and O rationalization bullshit to make up for the fact after the fact that they gave up Michael Parsons and it was kind of an impulsive emotional decision. Yeah, I think you the defense could end up being better in the long run, but that doesn't mean this was the right move for them to make because they they lost so much value in doing this trade. Like they did not maximize the Parsons trade. Yeah, the Parsons trade.

Sorry. They did not maximize what they could have gotten for Micah Parsons when they traded him away. Or if they had kept him and signed him to a contract, like the value that he would bring on that contract would be more than what they got for him, I think. So are you saying that let's say they got three firsts and a second for Michael Parsons and then went and made these trades? You could perhaps argue that it was not the idea of trading Michael Parsons in return for these guys.

That's the problem. It's just they screwed up the Michael Parsons trade because they didn't get a good enough return. but the idea perhaps was not terrible, the formula that they were trying to go after. I mean, I think you could defend the trade more if they would have gotten what you said, three first and a second or whatever the exact,

you know, payback would be. Like, we talked about this at the time. It's going to be late picks. It's going to be late first rounders. Those are freaking toss-ups. If the Packers do make the playoffs and get to the divisional round, at that point, on grades on NFL boards,

they're graded as second round players. Right. So, yeah, I think, Ultimately, you know, the Micah thing is in the past. They can't change that now. I think it was a stupid mistake for them to trade him. And in a vacuum, like I like Quinn and Williams. I think he's a good player.

And they went and traded, you know, a lot to go get him. But he's four years older and he plays on the interior. Generally speaking, just not as important of a position. I think Kenny Clark's four years older, Quinn and Williams, like two and a half. Oh, sorry. Yeah. But Quinn and Williams is 28. So he's not like, he's not young as I thought.

Yeah. Well, he'll be 28 pretty soon. but he's not as young as like you think. He's his seventh season in the league, I think. I think just because when Quinnon Williams, that famous video of him when he's like, Cala Murray, he had braces. Like, yeah, he looked so young in his face

that I just kind of thought he was 25 and he's like gonna be 28 in a month or two. He's the bless you, thank you guy. Yeah, bless you, thank you. Bless you, thank you. That's really what we've said to Jerry. Bless you, thank you. Quinn and Williams is, I don't think he's elite,

but he's a very good player. He's a very good player. They will be better in the interior of the line. I just overall... I think Hyvitz is right though about like, this is Jerry trying to justify the move he made in August for Michael... And he's like, no, look, I had a plan. This actually makes more sense.

Look, I got two. I said we weren't one guy away, but I got two and picks and look what I'm doing, blah, blah, blah. And I think this is all just him trying to rationalize a stupid decision that he made in August. And since we're picking off the scab here with Michael Parsons and this whole trade again, it's worth reminding one, Jerry Jones, older than Joe Biden. I know I keep saying that, but it's worth going with the actual narrative here. Because this point we haven't, yeah, I know, but this point we haven't talked about a ton of what happened with Michael Parsons, which I feel like we have not spoken about enough.

Jerry, what Jerry Jones is saying, and again, it's, should you believe anything this man says, well, he runs the team and makes every decision, or at least he says that all the time. So I guess what, like, what he's saying is, I had a handshake deal with Michael Parsons in like March, and I had a deal with him. And he's going back on that. And Michael Parsons was like, we were talking for. for like two hours and you don't shut the fuck up. And like, I have an agent that I pay money.

Yeah, I was not present during that conversation. Who is not there. I'm like, you have to talk to my agent. I'm not signing a deal. They talk to my agent, which is how all of these things go. And Jerry Jones, like, they wouldn't call his agent. They wouldn't call David Mulligetta to do this. And they held the line of, well, him and Mike and I had a handshake deal, which is one of two things. Either Jerry is genuinely senile enough to believe that or a little more cynically, Jerry thought using that

as an excuse would flip the people on Micah? Like, it's kind of a weird, we haven't talked to this enough, but it's kind of weird that Jerry even thought that was like thing that's either Jerry believes that I had a handshake deal with this player. He looked me in the eyes and shook my hand. Yeah. And then he turned on it. Using that as an excuse. Either way, it's kind of weird, but the whole thing has been bizarre. But I mean, the larger point here. I mean, what's the Cowboy? Are they, they're three, five and one now after this loss to the Cardinals? Yeah. it you know it's not about the season i mean if they come back and where's it going to go it's like all right so next year quentin will be 28 going to 29 kenn and clark will be 30 going to 31 or

31 going yeah how good how good do you think that the cowboys could be in 2026 too like the other question here is like how how high is that 27 first going to be for uh for the jets because that's also a big risk this is anytime you trade a future first rounder it's risky because you don't really know how good you're going to be next year. The Cowboys traded a second to the Jets this year. Right. And this 2027 pick is the higher of the Packers or Cowboys. And the 2027 draft is substantial. Yeah. And so that's where it's worth getting into that with the Jets because the Jets now between these two deals of Quinn and Williams. Pretty savvy by them. Yeah. The Jets have a lot of picks now. Yeah. The Jets. So it's funny. I feel like it always looks good when you're like, look how many picks they have

coming up. That's just like an easy message to sell. Yeah. And you can like point 15. They have five picks. They have five the Jets have five first round picks in the next two drafts. They have two in 2026. They would they have what will probably be a top five pick in their own draft or their own pick, 26. Plus they have a, the Colts first round pick, which will probably be in like the 20s. Then in 2027, they have their own first. They have the higher of Dallas or Green Bay's first, whichever is better. And then the Colts first again. Three firsts. Three firsts. Three first. And five in two years. The funny thing about that is the Jets had five first round picks in 2021 and 2022.

Who are those? I'll pull them up right now. Yeah, go ahead. I was actually going, I was pulling up right now as we speak. I was kind of pull it the Browns also. Former GMs. But they had two first round picks in 2021 and three first round picks in 2022. The Jets had Zach Wilson in 2021 and Elijah Vera Tucker, who's great.

And then they had Elijah Morris, their second round pick, which everyone loved the pick. And he's done nothing in the NFL. And then 2022 was Sauce Gardner, who now is not on the team. But he was great for tears. Garrett Wilson, who's been who's like the new Terry McLaurin, really. And then Jermaine Johnson, who also was probably on the trade block today. I think that the, the, I'm forgetting his name. Connor Hughes at S&Y reported that the Jets were just straight up had a third round pick on the table for Jermyn Johnson.

And they said no. But and then Bree Saul. So these. Yeah. I mean, those are all like decent picks. Pips. Yeah, you know, the problem was is the quarterback sucked. And it's funny. Yeah, that was something that Daniel Jeremiah tweeted today that I was just like, this is sort of the distillation of the NFL is he said, quote, Jets realized loaded defensive talent without a quarterback doesn't

win a whole lot. Well, which I'm just like, God, it's really that simple. Like, you have to have a quarterback. Also, I don't think it's an accident that they didn't really change their offense that much. Like, I don't think it's an accident that they kept Reese Hall. They have Garrett Wilson. And the offensive line, I think, is okay. And there are some promising. missing people. Membo's been good. Farah Tucker back next year. Fashana left tackle.

Yes, he's a first rounder. And it's like, so now the Jets are going to probably have a top five, maybe top three, maybe the first pick in the draft this year. And keeping like real pieces like Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall on a good offensive line that you can now usher a quarterback into, to me makes sense rather than just getting rid of the offense. This is how you build. Yes.

I think everyone's, I mean, it's funny because sometimes I feel like all these trade rumors. I'm like, everyone's shocked. I'm like, no, I think most people have no idea who's going to get traded because it's like, who knows between random jersey swaps and actual information sometimes. But I do think it was surprising that Sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams are gone and the Breece Hall stayed. But I think it does make sense for that point where it's like if you can turn Quinn and Williams and sauce into three first and a second. Keeping Breece at that point, I think it makes sense to keep Breeze Hall and actually extend Breeze Hall because they have to extend him now. Yeah, it's like, I've always said that the Sequan thing made me mad with the giant. not because they let him go,

but because either trade them at the deadline or keep them, but like, how do you keep them to let him go? And if you're the Jets, maybe they'll do that too, but that implies that compensatory picks, that means you have to not sign anybody to get them, which probably is going to happen.

But if you're the Jets, you have a lot of draft picks invest in the offensive line. You're going to have a first pick at left, right tackle, guard, and a second round pick at center, John Simpson at right, like, there's a lot of money and talent on the offensive line.

So you're Breece Hall, well, you look at the Kyron Williams Deal and James Cook. It's like, what's Breeze Hall going to sign for $12, $14 million? Like the number's not that high. You're Aaron Glenn. You want to have a rushing identity behind a first-run pick.

If you bring in a rookie quarterback, whether it's 2026 or 2027, you want to have an ability to ball. I think that's the takeaway from Detroit's bill with the lions. The easy thing to say is what you said, Craig, which is hit your picks. Like the lions got good because they hit the picks. But the lions really got good because they hit all those draft picks. And when Jared Goff came in, they had already put like four first-round picks into the offensive line. They took Penae Sewell, put him at right tackle. There did first round pick at

at left tackle. Frank Ragnon was a first round pick at center. They had Graham Glasnall. And that's kind of where I think Aaron Glenn's end. I can never pronounce his name. Darren Mugi, Mugi, the GM. I think that's the similarity is crazy investment on the offensive line. Mookie. Mookie. Mookie is a good job. But you have all these picks on the offensive line. You keep Resol and you pay him. Who cares about $12 million? It'd be $25 million over two years. You get rid of them. It's a problem. and then you have the step and then whoever the quarterback steps and you have ability

and then you just use these picks to get guys behind Garrett Wilson and rebuild the defense. So I see how it makes sense. There's a lot of moving parts but I do kind of like what the Jets are doing. I do.

But ultimately, it all comes down to the quarterback. Yeah, I mean, that's the... Are you going to take the kid out of Indiana or are you going to try to go bring it, you know, sign somebody in the offseason? It's like you just have to other quarterback. But they're doing it the right way.

Like you said, I haven't with the lions. Like the offensive line, there are pieces at running back and wide receiver and you have a decent rookie tight end. It looks like there are pieces that you could bring a quarterback into. And it is not an abject disaster, Sam Darnold's starting point where you're seeing ghosts by week eight. I think it's totally reasonable to look at the jets and be like, you know, and people are going to scoff at this. I'm like, bringing Mac Jones on the deal you just gave Justin Fields. See if you can get a fraction of a Baker Mayfield situation with Mac Jones and just revive it. may evaluate the 2026 quarterbacks.

We haven't done a bunch of draft show yet. Also, for those listening who started this year, we cover the draft. DK is our draft expert here at the Ringer. We keep going beyond the season. Like, we cover the whole off season. Draft coverage. We've been at the draft the last couple of years,

so we're going to get into that. I'm kind of our mock draft guy. Craig's mock draft. We haven't talked about this. He's got some sources. If we had submitted Craig's mock draft to this big contest, he would have won the fucking contest.

We didn't even submit it. I have sources that I, I can't even begin to tell you guys about. It's, they're so under the insider. But yes, we do cover the draft and we never go away. We're here with you. We're here all years. So stick with us the off season.

We do the playoffs. We do the free agency. We do the draft. We haven't talked a lot about this coming draft. But I don't know how many quarterbacks are going to be in this draft. Because a lot of them might go back for 2027. Frankly, it's reactionary. And I think the Anthony Richardson thing is going to scare off a lot of these younger

prospects and be like, go back to school, make $4 million. Like just get, you know, get paid and go, have fun in college. and be a better prospect later. So with that said, the Jets could sign Mack Jones, not use the first round pick this shirt and a quarterback, and then have three firsts for 2027

and make a move if they want. There are options. There are things you can sell your fans. I do think it's a legit plan. But it is funny because you're right, because ultimately you do have to have a quarterback. And what you were saying, DK, it's funny because it's definitely right,

a ton of defense, no quarterback. It's just clearly useless. The flip side is we're also looking at the Cowboys, and now the Bengals, where when you have an awesome offense and no defense, you're also kind of in purgatory. It's definitely a middle ground.

You have to be good on both sides of the ball. The whole team has to be good. You have a good quarterback, and be good on both sides of the ball and have a good GM. Yes, but it's funny because... Easy. What you end up sounding like, though,

is it's the joke, basketball, it's like all basketball analysis comes down to, like, at the end of the day, it's like you didn't make your shots. And Craig, you were saying this a few weeks ago. It's like, in basketball, you got to make your shots. and in the draft it's like the teams that hit their picks are good and if you're the bengals missed

all the defensive picks the cabos got michael parsons they haven't really hit a defensive picks since deron bland of parsons they haven't a defensive pick other than those guys in i think that four years i think ultimately there are a lot of moving parts always there's so many variables with any NFL team i i think for the most part it's not impossible but it's very very difficult to win the super bowl if you don't have a very good quarterback and that's the bottom line. And I know that I'm like stating the obvious there, but like that's the through point. Even though the Eagles did, right, D.K? Well, the Eagles have what I think is a very good quarterback. He's not a perfect quarterback, but he's perfect. He's very good for what they do. And also they had like

incredible everything else. Right. So yeah, it's lining all that stuff up, but you can't line anything up if you don't have that quarterback. Okay. So we're going to keep going through the anything else on Jets, Colts, Cowboys. Bless you, thank you. I agree what Craig said that, you know what, you have your shot. You got to take your shot sometime for the cults. And if they make a run,

if they even make the championship game, a conference title game, you're going to be like, you know what? They had to try. I also think we're going to be like, that was so stupid. Probably. Like, that was so stupid. Like, I just... It just depends. If they're in the AFC championship and it's...

And it's the fourth quarter and they're in the game and they almost go to the Super Bowl, it's probably worth it. Yeah, definitely. think the Colts, I just keep thinking about the other players that you could get for two first run picks. Think about the other players in the NFL that if you offer two first run picks you could get. I just think Chris Bowler is obsessed with size and length and sauce gardener as like the biggest goddamn arm, longest goddamn arms you've ever seen.

He's like the, he's like his wingspans, the yonis of cornerbacks. A small position is a big guy. And I just think he wanted that guy and he paid way too much. I mean, also the Colts are now not going to have a first round pick next year or the year after. Daniel Jones is their quarterback. Just saying. I just, I don't know, me. It's just keeping your powder.

It's been nine weeks. And this is the move they made. It's like they must feel very confident about what they have with Daniel Jones. Confident or desperate because it's been seven years since Andrew Luck retired. And that's kind of what I'm getting to. I'm like, all right, you have one good half of season. All right, whatever, man. Anyway, the Ringer Fantasy Football show is brought to you by Fandle.

Thursday night football continues to deliver. And Fandall's keeping the energy up with their $2 million Thursday. tonight football, jackpot, place in any time touchdown score a bet using your profit boost. And if your player scores the first or last touchdown of the game, you'll earn a share of two million dollars in bonus bets. I think

there's two guys for this. Broncos running back Jacob Dobbins is like minus 120. But also Trey Tucker for the Raiders is like plus 360. And the Raiders just got rid of Jacoby Myers. So I feel like Tray Tucker is like a pretty solid bet. The Broncos outside of Jake Dobbins, I never want to guess

who's going to score. But I like those two guys. Head to fandle.com slash we're going to fantasy to download the app and get started. Fandall, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL must be 21 plus in present in select states or 18 plus in present in D.C., Kentucky, or Wyoming. Optin must apply profit boost token on select market prize pool to be split equally among all eligible

participants who made the correct first or last TD pick bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets, which expired 21 days after receipt, restriction supply. See terms at sportsbook. Fandall.com. Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler or visit RG-Helpshell.com. Call 1-88-78-98-9-7-77-7 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Okay. Shall we keep rolling here, Craig?

Yeah, I should say that we did just get a report from Ian Rappapaport that the Cardinals have named Jacoby Brissett as their starting quarterback. Wow. At least for this week. I don't know if he's like officially said. I want to hear what he actually said, but Gannon announced it in a press conference. I mean, it's probably until he loses. Not that means he's aiming.

Pretty much, yeah. He's one and two. It's not like he's been crushing it. He's been playing well, but they still have been losing the games. They've been losing, like in depressing ways late in the game. Yeah, like, I love that. Jacoby presents one and two, and everyone's like, he needs to be the starter. But it's funny.

Yeah. Clearly works better with him. How many games in a row can he play great and they lose until? So speaking of all that, Kyler, maybe New York Jet? Who, who not? Well, I'm confused. I thought earlier today, John Gannon and the coach of Cardinal said nothing's changed with Kyler Murray.

As in what are you talking about his health? Yeah. Nothing has changed about our opinion of him. I guess that was last night. He said nothing's changed on that with the starting quarterback. So I guess it changed their mind. Wow. Well, I think you could make the argument that they changed their mind like midway through last

week that Brissette was going to be their start because there was reports early on last week that Kyler was back and working at practice and like throwing to the starters and then they decided to go with Peret anyway. I got an email. We got an email from a different Kai, not our Kai, who the Cardinals fan who made the point that we brought this up a couple times, but that the real thing we don't bring up enough is the Cardinals losing Clayton Adams to the Cowboys was like really hurt their run game. And he was a, he was like the offensive line coach kind of like run game.

coordinator and the Cardinals just haven't been able to run the and they have this new college coach who's like doing their offensive line stuff and I guess when you're out Ohio State and you can be like block everyone it's you have like four little easier day one and day two picks yeah it's like every guy in your Ohio State offensive lines going in the NFL it's like maybe that's not quite going to help you in Arizona and so it I do the combination of losing that I do think the fact that Kyler feels said he feels even healthier this year I think the lack of a running game really did expose Kyler this year. It's funny.

I keep going back and forth between the pendulum going too far now where it's like Kyler, is he going to be the best backup in the NFL and NFL history or whatever? No, he'll be starting next year somewhere. I don't know if he'll be in Arizona, but I firmly believe he'll be a starter.

Also, Schefter just tweeted that Jonathan Gannon named Percetta as the starter just for Sunday in Seattle. For this coming week. So it's probably still just they don't like what's going out with Kyler's foot. Interesting. Soft benching.

Soft benching perhaps. I do wonder if, Kyler is not on the Cardinals next year, but I also, we just, how long did we just spend talking about if you don't have a quarterback where you're going? Who is Arizona replacing Kyler with? Yeah. Because are they going to get rid of Kyler just to keep Jacoby Brissette? Also, it's not, like you said, it's not the best quarterback year. If the Cardinals go seven and 10 and they have like the 11th pick in the draft, like, what are you doing? I also think it's, it's interesting because I don't know if this is true or not. You guys can tell me if you think it is

or not, but there are more trades than ever, it feels like, like the peer pressure to not do trades doesn't exist as much as it used to in the NFL. So they're just people are more willing to trade. I think they're less scrutinized than they ever have been. So there's just more willingness to do it. I also think there's more willingness to soft bench guys and just go with the hot hand at quarterback. In the old days, I think it felt like a monumental decision that you can never come back from

if you decide to start percent over Kyler this game. I think he could, Gannon could go back to Kyler Murray next week and it would just like not be that big of a deal. You know what I mean? Like it feels like it's not as monumental as it used to be. Maybe that's just recent C-Wise. No, I think you're right. I think you're dead right.

Because in the old days, I feel like if we would have gotten this announcement, it would have been front page news. People would be flipping out. It was like Brady and Blitz-O, right? Right. People will be saying Kyler's time in Arizona is over. It's done. You can't come back from this.

And now I'm just like, yeah, he might start for him later this year. Who knows? It's kind of like how like in the back, like even 10, 15 years ago, if the president had a video of him wearing a crown shitting on all these people than are citizens of America, it would probably have been something that people would have been mad about. And I was like, yeah, I don't ever remember that. Nothing can shock me with the things that AI makes now.

Yeah. So the benching, you're right. There is something to that. Like people, we just move on. Well, let's move on ourselves and discuss the next, I would say probably the last truly fun trade that was made. I guess there was maybe one other. DK, your Seahawks trade a fourth and a fifth rounder for the Saints wide receiver, Rashid Shaheed, who was formerly with the current Saints office or the current Seahawks

offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak. They were together in New Orleans. This is just fun, right? Are you thrilled? I love this. Oh, yeah, I'm super excited about this. This is something, one of my followers on Twitter brought this up to me like two or three weeks ago was like Rashid Shaheed back with Clint Kubiak. It makes a lot of sense. And I was like, ooh, that's a good idea. So I've been kind of like formulating this in my head. And I think it just makes a ton of sense. Obviously, Shaheed was cooking with Kubiak last year.

He was on pace for almost 1,000 yards before he got hurt. He was averaging, I think, 17 yards per target in terms of air yards down the field. Before he got hurt with the risk is. He had the same yards per rep run as Jamar Chase last year. It was like top eight in the NFL in the first. He was like five or six weeks. Yeah, he was awesome. And I think obviously like there's still question marks over what the Seahawks can do on the ground.

but I think it's pretty clear. Clint Kubiak, based on this year and last year, knows how to design an explosive downfield passing offense. He's just really good at manufacturing these explosive plays. And it's just nice to have another guy that can create those big plays. Teams are going to be zeroing in a lot on JSN. I don't know if you could ask JSN to have like 50% of their receiving yards on a full season and expect him to keep doing so well,

especially when you're going up against teams to have like a shutdown corner that can follow Jason around. I think this just gives the Seahawks more versatility. They're obviously more dangerous down the field. I don't think it's like, it doesn't mean anything negative for Tori Horton. I think it's just it's good to have more guys that can do this type of thing. So I'm very excited about it. Fourth and fifth round pick doesn't really bother me.

I saw a report that said they intend to try and resign him after the year they like him. So it's not like just a, you know, a couple month rental because he's actually going to be a free agent after this season. So yeah, I think overall he's been one of my. my favorite players to watch, he's always just really explosive. And it's going to be really fun to see what they can do with him in their offense. I mean, I think you nailed a DK. I mean, especially Jackson Smith and Jigba having half the Seahawks receiving yards. I mean, Jackson Smith and Jigba right now is on pace for the second most receiving yards in the history of NFL. Like he literally has, he's like 52 yards short of a thousand halfway through the season.

He literally would at this rate be second to Calvin Johnson for the most yards ever in an NFL season, I think. So this is an acknowledgment. that while we're cooking, that is not going to be a thing all year. So I think you're totally right. All these injuries, Cooper Cup with the heel injury, Jake Bobo with the Achilles injury, Derek Young has a quad and a hip injury, and they're just running out of guys. And so Tori Horton against Washington stepped up and went from three receiver sets to being two receiver sets with JSN, but Washington's defense is just depleted.

I mean, it's really in the doldrums. And so I think this is an acknowledgement that as you go to tougher teams, you're going to need because really the Seahawks as much as Mike McDonald always says they want to run they want to run no they're not going to win by running the Seyalk's running game sucks they're winning by getting into two tight-end sets and running and hitting on play action and that's what Kubiak was so good with the saints and now Shahid is another guy that's actually able to win on the in two receiver sets where you can have JASN and Shahid because he's not just a deep threat which he came from an undrafted free agent to really one of the most prolific deep threats in the NFL Rashid Shahid but then he's more

of the last year or two and he actually has more of a route tree as underneath routes as well like he's a good player, need more speed on Seattle anyway. But frankly, I think this makes their offense, I like the word used, more sustainable for an actual run because Seahawks do look like one of the best teams of the NFC. And they're going to need to throw to be able to do it. They just don't have enough. So when you look at their offense, it's like you just have J.S. And you have Cooper Cup, some rookies, AJ Barner.

It's like it just feels like they were a piece short to actually compete at a high level in the playoffs. And this feels that whole. Yeah. I mean, ironically, he kind of fills the role that D.K. Metcalf had before he left. Yeah. In a different body type, obviously. He's not like the power explosive that D.K. Metcalf is. But, I mean, he's proven himself as one of the best deep threats in the NFL.

It's also probably ends up being good for JSN, I would argue. Just like having somebody else on the field who people have to worry about a little bit, especially deep down the field. I also think it's a good deal for the Saints because I don't think Rishici was going to get resigned there because the Saints have their weird Ponzi scheme with the accounting. and the fourth and fifth round picks could return for New Orleans. All right, next trade.

The Raiders traded the wide receiver, Jacoby Myers, to the Jags for a fourth and a sixth round pick. It was expected that the Jags were going to do something. Travis Hunter might not come back this year with a knee injury. Brian Thomas hurt his ankle

and also has been pretty shitty. The rest of their wide receivers are banged up or kind of unproven. The tight end's been hurt all year. D.K. I'm actually, honestly, from a from a real life and a fantasy perspective what does this mean for you for jacobi um is he a better is he going to score more points in your mind on jacksonville than he did in in

Vegas this year yes i think so i think this is good for him um i think it's really good for trevor lawrence i think this is he's the jacobby mires is exactly what trevor lawrence needed i feel like because this offense um what is that a guy that could catch yeah literally a guy that is going to be reliable be where he's supposed to be what Why isn't he supposed to be there and can catch the football? It's almost like you need someone to, like, when there's a pass thrown it, you need to like bring. What's the word for that? Like, you bring it in.

You receive it. You receive it. You receive the ball. But honestly, you know, the Jags receiver core has just been kind of a sloppy mess. Like, that's just been the story of the Jags offense. It's just sloppy. Pre-snap penalties, drops, procedural shit. And I think Jacobi Myers brings an element of the veteran experience that they,

need in that group. He's going to just be a for the short term, he's going to be like their number one. Because until Brian Thomas comes back, until Travis Hunter comes back, he's going to be the number one target in that offense. But I think when both those guys do come back, he's a perfect complimentary piece to those. I think long term, he's like a good number two. And you know, he's a pro. He's done this before.

Consistent production. He's been like, I think four or five straight years of 800 plus yards. He had a thousand last year. The touchdown thing is not as big of a disjue as it was early in his career. He had, I think like, eight last year or something like that. And so he is a good veteran receiver that's going to give Trevor Lawrence somebody reliable to throw to.

Right now is just kind of too much variance in that group. Too much you don't know what you're going to get from them weekend and week out. And I think he elevates the floor a little bit in the passing game. And they needed it just because of all the injuries. They're five and three. Like they were going to try and make a run to playoffs here. So it's perfect. Makes perfect sense for me to for them to do that trade just because they had a bunch of ammo.

and they decided to go and get a guy that they can rely on. I think they had two fourth-round picks, so this is just one of their fourths. Do you have any thoughts on this, Hyphids? Well, I was going to say, Craig, how does this change your mind about like Parker Washington and Jaguar's Fantasy, like starting Parker Washington, Jacob Myers down the stretch in terms of would you play Jacoby Myers

and when would you play Parker Washington against like Houston this week? No, well, I mean, I don't know. I guess maybe you could still play Parker Washington this week, but we just did the waiver wire episode we did last night where we were talking about Christian Watson. or Parker Washington or Alec Pierce. I would say this, I mean, I don't know, obviously hurts the long-term prospects of Parker Washington.

Maybe, I don't know if Jacoby Myers going to play this week, but, you know, I guess you'd get away with Parker Washington this week, but other than that, I don't really think so. The other small wrinkle is he's reuniting with his wide receivers coach who was on Oakland, or sorry, yeah, like on the Raiders last year, Edgar Bennett. So in theory, Jacobi Myers can kind of hit the ground running with this offense. All right.

We'll get into some smaller trades here. We do have to talk about the Eagles who made a bunch of trades all on the defensive side of the ball. And I guess they also got wide receiver John Metchie. Hi Fitz, do you want to run through these Eagles trades? I do have a question for you after, but run through the three major trades here that the Eagles made. So these weren't quite all at the deadline per se, but just the whole week leading up. The Eagles added Jire Alexander, the cornerback from the Ravens, or they had Jire Alexander and a seventh in exchange for a sixth rounder. And then they went and got Michael Carter the second to the Jets.

Sorry, they got Michael Carter from the Jets, who was confusing because they actually drafted two different people named Michael Carter in the same draft. But this one was a cornerback. And then they also got the past rusher Jalen Phillips from Miami for a third round pick. That was probably the biggest one, but I think in conjunction they all tell the same story, which is just the Eagles know that. that their defense isn't as good and their fans have been upset about it and everyone's upset about it and they did that Harry Rosemant did something about it. Obviously, like, they lost a ton of, I mean, really what it comes down to is Quineana Mitchell's an elite cornerback and Cooner, Cooper DeGine's an elite nickel slot cornerback and the outside and the outside of course of

them all year, whether it's been, you know, Adory Jackson or Kele Ringo or whoever, it's just not good enough. So I feel like what this is right now is primarily depth because I think they, if they want to move Cooper DeGine outside, the Eagles don't really have a nickel that could play there or if the gene gets hurt, they're caught. And so I think Michael Carter throwing like a seventh round pick to get Michael Carter as a backup slot, kind of like that better than two firsts for Sauce Garder, to be totally honest. Like, and Jire Alexander, he's like an accounting loophole. I kind of don't want to pretend he'll have any impact until I see it.

What's going to? Can you tell me what's going like Jair Alexander is a two-time all pro. He's been an all-pro twice in the 2020s. He's 28 years old. What's why is he no longer relevant? 28 going on 48 because he's constantly hurt and he's also kind of a knucklehead and I think it's a combination of those things like gile Alexander's the guy that it's a combination of he's always hurt he's played 61 snaps this year for the ravens and that's a team that's depleted

number one they got him for free the eagles basically got him for free yeah he well so did the ravens just to jire Alexander's the guy for the packers that matlifler sent him out to do the coin toss and he call he asked for the wrong thing I thought you're going to say he got hurt No, he didn't get hurt. No, he asked for the, like, Matt Lafleur told him to defer and he took the ball. Like, that's the kind of what you're working with with. In his defense, defer perhaps confusing. It's a weird.

Yeah, it's a weird rule. Even when you play madden sometimes, you know, like, and it says like, what do you want to do? And it's like, what do you want to do? It's like, what is that there for? What are you talking? Yeah, it doesn't really. Yeah. So maybe he was confused.

But yeah, it's one of those where, look, if Charlie Alexander plays for the Eagles and he can play outside and you can keep Cooper DeGine and the next. nickel, perfect. If he doesn't and you got to move Cooper to G and outside and you got to put Michael Carter in the slot, sure, that'll work. It's like these are six, seventh round swaps. Like, that's fine. So I think this is good moves with Eagles. In conjunction with Jalen Phillips where it's like, the Eagles obviously they got poached at the offseason, like Josh Whit went to the Cardinals and Brandon Graham retired. Zedera Smith retired in the middle of the season. So Brandon Graham, like unretired, like Milton Williams went to the Patriots. Like the Eagles are just lesser on the defensive line. And so they kind of make a similar bet here with Jailen Phillips, who's young.

hungry, he's 26, but kind of like sauce. Great first two years. Like Jalen Phillips was really, like he had, I think like 15, 16 sacks at first two seasons. But then Jailen Phillips just got hurt, man. Like, I mean, he had the Clay Thompson, the Achilles that he tore his ACL. So really just lost the last couple of years. But he's 26 and then they pay a third rounder for a guy that, you know, he's on an expiring contract.

And so we'll see. But now it's like Jalen Phillips rotating him with Jailix Hunt and then like Nolan Smith's going to come back from injury this year. So now the Eagles are getting all their like supercharged. tweener past rushers back between Nolan Smith, who's a defensive end that can run a 4-4, and Jalick's Hunt, who was like a safety back of the day. And so all their kind of weird aliens are coming back. So in that context where Jalen Phillips is just like, can you rotate in and make an impact?

You know, this is how it's like a discount way to make a Super Bowl run without actually giving up anything of value. D.K., does this feel like one of those weeks for the Eagles that two months from now, you're going to be like, God damn it, Howie Roseman did it again? Yeah. But I was just thinking, as Highfitz was kind of explaining that, he just does a interesting job of being a GM because he he just keeps collecting all these former high picks. You know, not necessarily first rounders, but like day one and day two picks that had talent at one point.

They liked him in their evaluations, whatever, and they're collecting them. They just keep doing it over and over like at receiver, you know, like John Dotson, John Mechie. Well, actually they sent to the Jets. Yeah, they just traded him, but they had, they picked him up at one point. And then I feel like there's another receiver I'm missing that they also had. They just keep collecting these guys. Yeah. In like the off chance that the talent shines through in a different situation.

They took Kenyon Green, Kenyon Green from the Texans. That's another one. Yeah. So they just basically are going off of, it feels like they're going off of their original evaluations and hoping that like if different situations, these guys can kind of live up to what they were talent-wise. And so it just seems like a smart strategy. it doesn't really hurt them. And, you know, in a lot of cases, it will work.

So, or at least in a few cases, it might work and then you get a ton of value out of it. What the Eagles do more than other teams is they understand that these picks are cigarettes in prison. And they just collect them and they trade. Well, they do. There's always going to have value. The picks can't get hurt. And so when you other teams, this is the problem when sometimes when scouts run a team is they don't act. They get a little too obsessed on whether the picks are right instead of being like, well, as long as the pick is in the

same tier trade down, add picks next year. Because when you go, this is what you do when you go into every draft with 11 picks instead of seven, is that you go to the trade deadline. You can flip three fifth and sixth and seventh round picks and you still have seven and eight picks entering the draft, which is what the Eagles are so good at. It also feels like there are certain types of players that work on certain types of teams. And like, Jaira Alexander, even though all the things you said, high fits, he's a knucklehead, he's always hurt.

It's like the Eagles just need him to be healthy and pretty. productive for like three months. Four weeks? Yeah, and maybe he'll be more motivated. It's like guys like him on the Eagles surrounded by all this talent, they're going to be in the playoffs. They're a good team. That compared to like him being probably annoyed and banged up on the one in five

Ravens, I do wonder if that stuff matters. And it's like a veteran getting traded at the deadline in the NBA going to a good team. And they're like, you know what? I can turn it on for the second half of the season and like, and showcase the talent that I actually have rather than just kind of, disintegrate on some shitty team because you don't care. So it's like I actually

it's a calculated bet by Roseman to go get guys like Jaya Alexander it's like such a low risk high reward. Yeah, it's not that different than what Belichick and the Patriots did all the time where it's like people always saw about yeah, Rani Moss and the Raiders like let's see if he's still good.

People forget like they try Chad Ocho Cinco was playing in the Super Bowl when he was washed like Belichick would look you might have like if you're playing Immaculate Grid the amount of great players that like had a small stint with the Patriots Anybody who ever played well against Belichick who was going to like at the end of the career

Belichick's like I want to make sure with my own eyes that they're actually no good anymore and but the Eagles do that with much younger players like they take shots on all these first rounders I mean remember Odell on the Rams was good yeah for that small stretch before he got hurt when he was considered you know kind of washed yeah okay a couple other things here well first did you did we want to talk about Chris Greer

oh yeah so the other I just want to mention Dolphins giving up Jalen Phillips as the pass rusher. It was bad timing for Chris Greer, the GM of the Dolphins was fired, and they're going to keep Mike McDaniel for the rest of the season. We ended up not talking about this. Our producer Carlos is thrilled. It was the best day of the year for Carlos. He literally said this is the best day of my life, which is so sad.

Horrible for Carlos. But I wanted to just mention, it's funny because Schefter also posted that Jalen Waddle and Browley Chubb were not traded. I also was watching live on TV when chef. I think Schefter at the deadline is so funny because it's funny. and kept going off with the thing. And a hundred texts at once. And he's been doing this for a long time,

but I've never seen this on live television though. Schaefter left his text sound on, which I think socially is aggressive. But every time it would ding on live television, everyone's having these conversations. And they were all like, look at his phone and look at him. And then like get back to what they were saying. And after 10, he was like,

I'm going to shut this off. And they were like, yeah, it's distracting. Because every time we're like, what's going on? But he said when the charges beat the buzzer that, Oh, I thought there was a different trade that's going to beat the buzzer. And then immediately posted that the dolphins did not trade Waddle or Chub.

So I think the dolphins were entertaining offers for Bradley Chaub or Jalen Waddle. Yeah. Carlos vehemently said don't trade Jalen Waddle because Jalen Waddle, I know. Trading him makes zero sense. We hate Waddle for fantasy. In reality, Waddle is a very talented player

that is probably the best player of the left along with HM. They have an offense. Waddle is infuriating in fantasy. But that's also because Tua is infuriating in a fantasy? also now Tyreeks future with the team is very murky like he's toast he's not he's their number one now I should waddle is their number one now but I want to just acknowledge that I think the dolphins

getting rid of Chris Greer was the right move and I I really was I had huge reservations that they would actually do it and I'm surprised they did it but I think it was the right move and so and I also think keeping Mike McDaniel for the mystery is the right move because you have to decide whose fault is this Greer McDaniel I you know I think they'd still might clean house but I wanted you know glad the Dolphins finally did something. Chris grew up been there for like 28 years.

I wonder if McDaniel will have a hand in picking the GM or if that's all going to be out of his hands. If he survives, though, he'd be lucky to just stay

in the building. Well, I know, you're probably right. I'm sure you're right because they don't want to double down on him necessarily,

but like the best, I feel like the best coaching or the best franchises, there's a very good marriage between coach and GM and you're just setting yourself up to fail if the two guys are not on the same page or whatever. But at the end of the day, you're right.

I mean, they can't give him decision-making power and then fire him after a year. The other trade that Hyvitz mentioned here, the Chargers sneaking in right before the buzzer, was the Chargers traded for a tackle, Trevor Penning from the Saints, who was a former first-round pick in 2022. He said some foot injuries, whatever.

But Joe Alt, out for the season, Roshan Slater, Tori's Patelor, Tendin, I think in August. He's been out. Literally, both their tackles are out. Their offensive line is in absolute shambles. Just ridiculous. Even though Trevor Penning is probably underperformed as what he was expected of him, like, I think this is awesome that the Chargers did this, and they desperately needed it.

So what was the compensation actually? Because it happened. It's the seventh, I think. Oh, yeah, beggars can't be choosers. Like Trevor Penning is legendary. He has not been good. He's a dick and he's bad. This is like the exactly what we're talking about with the Eagles.

Like it's worth. You got to fucking do it. Yeah. You got to try. Like, it was a sixth. It's worth, I mean, they're desperate. Like, the charges are a team that could beat anyone in the NFL with the right pass protection. And they're just out.

I mean, even we're talking about third and four stringers and the charges are hurt, like a tackle. Like they have to try everything. So I think that makes sense. Are there any other things you want to hit, high fits? I mean, just, I mean, the Ravens got Draymond Jones from the Titans. I just think that. That's, I mean, it's not incredible. And I just think the secondary is getting healthier and they need the defensive line because

Matabike is on injured reserve. And I think they also traded for Alohae Gilman, the safety from the charges, which really frees the move Kyle Hamilton all around. Defensive line is the last thing. So I just, I do think the Ravens defense is something to keep an eye on if the Ravens actually make this run and they actually keep stacking wins. It would be interesting to see. But so I think that was interesting.

And then the Browns traded Joe Troy on Shienka and his seventh to Chicago for a sixth, which I don't really care about. I just wanted to mention, remember the time that Browns traded Joe Flacco and his sixth to Cincinnati for a fifth round pick. And now that guy has the most points that the Bengals have had per game since before they drafted Joe Burrow. Yeah, just thought that was funny. But yeah, overall, fun, fun deadline. Why is Trevor Penning a dick? He's just, dude, when you have to, when you're an offensive lineman and they're like, no, you're dirty and you have a dirty wrap, this one thing.

When people are like, no, no, no, he's an asshole. Like, do you know how fucking mean you have to be to defensive lineman to be considered an asshole? Like, do you have any idea? I don't. And me saying that, oh, Hallie Roseman, what he's doing with Jaira and Alexander, like, there are certain things that just fit that makes sense that are worthy risks. To me, if anybody can help out, you know, help fix the attitude issues of somebody, it's fucking Jim Harbaugh, baby. You know what I mean? You know, pat him on the shoulders, do the thing.

Yeah. I would take him first. Any player was an asshole and I needed a coach to fix that player, I would pick Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. I think you're right. I mean, Justin Herbert was a giant asshole at Oregon and look how nice he made him. That's true.

Herbert was a legendary dick. Just, yeah, cussing people out, hot head. He never turned one shopping cart before he met Jim Harbaugh. Okay, before, we're gonna get to fantasy court emails. We've an important Tom Brady story, but first, this episode is brought to you by American Eagle. Gift, gift, gift, hooray, give great jeans this holiday season with American Eagle. They have all the wish list worthy new arrivals for everyone on your list, including you. Check out the comfy, cozy sweaters, soft fleece, sweatshirts, hoodies, flannels, and so much more.

Plus, you'll love their trending jeans with the high-waisted, stovepipe, original straight, boot cut, and a whole bunch of other fits. They've got every style and everyone covered. You can check it all out at a.e.com or just go the store. I like that American Eagle made you say that he had that you have some hot picks for us for like a month and then the next and once that was finally over now it's gift gift, gift, hooray. What's wrong with my hot picks, Craig? You're saying, you don't like my hot picks? Well, you kept saying you had hot picks for me and I did. My head went somewhere else and I never received them. So I was disappointed. I was too busy looking at socks from American Eagle. Yeah. Um, okay. Before we get to Fantasy Court, we got ringer fantasy league update. High

Hyfitz is in first, baby. Seven and two. Hyfitts is kind of a wagon. Hyfitts beat me this week. And kind of a shootout, I got to say. Hyfitts and I both put up, Hyvitz beat me by 10 points. Were you the second highest score of the week?

I think I was. I got screwed. But I did lose. D.K. and Sal are tied for second. I've fallen down the ranks here. I'm four and five. I'm kind of fighting for a wild card spot like the Chiefs. But, and I actually have no faith in my roster.

So we'll see how that. I just lost Tucker Crafter of the year. Things are bad. Bill is finally out of last. place. He's in eighth now. Hang on. Wow. Yeah. And I mean, he's got Brock Bowers. Like, Bill has a little bit of momentum, I have to say. I lost Jaden. I'm a little worried about my team. Yeah. Things are not going well. I lost a house this week. Brutal. We're getting close. We're getting close. I forget. Is our playoff rule that top four teams by seed make it and then the next two,

the fifth and 60, are by points? We did say we would do that. Yeah. I think that is the right rule. Okay. The next two or just the last one? No, the fifth and sixth seed are highest points of the remaining team. And the final four teams are going to go to a bracket where, again, everyone drafted their own punishments. And those people are going to, you know, the loser of the losers will have to do the punishment that they drafted. Okay.

All right. Should we get to fantasy court? Let's do it. Do we have the drop? Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched. This fantasy court is from Chuck.

Chuck, C-Bone. Chuck had a bowl of honeynut Cheerios and an Ozziago cheese bagel for breakfast. Wow. Sounds pretty good. Yeah. Okay, this is a really funny one. Chuck says, Monday afternoon, I'm up three points. My opponent only has the Washington commander's kicker Matt Gay left to play Monday night football.

When it was announced that, that Matt Gay was injured and would not play, I dropped one of my bi-week players in order to pick up Washington's backup kicker leaving my opponent with no options left. Or so I thought. Oh, so he blocked him from picking up the kicker. So Chuck was winning.

His opponent had Matt Gay, who then was ruled out. Wow. Chuck was like, I'm going to go add the Washington kicker so that my opponent has nothing to do. Savvy. Right. However, 10 minutes before kickoff, my opponent trades for Harrison Butker,

who's the other kicker playing in Monday Night Football and cheese kicker. This is a spicy league. The guy who had Buckker, the Bucker owner was down 40 points and was going to lose anyway, so he didn't care at giving him up. My opponent gave up the injured Matt Gay and Zay Flowers for Harrison Bucker. Wow. So they're desperate to get this win.

Right. However, so Zay Flowers had already played that week. Despite that, the platform we use, which is Sleeper, allows trades to go through once it's agreed upon, swapping the players who are eligible immediately, and then reserving the roster spots for those that are locked in until the week resets. So it's like a half trade. It half processes where the Zayflowers part holds until the week is over, but the Harrison Bucker Park goes through because Harrison Bucker hasn't played yet.

And so Chuck says, this is a newer platform for us. So I didn't know that trades like this were possible. In fact, the commissioner didn't realize it either, but says that, quote, these are the rules of the platform and everything seems to be above board and it's just a tough break. Our league rules are pretty outdated. We last updated them in 2021 prior to our switch to sleeper. They state that there needs to be a 24-hour review on a trade.

But they also talk about how posting trades in our Facebook group, and we haven't done that in eight years. No, I... So he's like, what's going on here? So they're voting whether a trade is legal or something? Basically, yes. I have strong thoughts. I'm curious with DK. things first, though.

I mean, I think... He goes on to say, hold on. He says most guys in our league agreed that the trade didn't sit right, but it's a matter for us to clean up between this and next season. Oh, I don't have any problem with this. No, I have strong thoughts for two reasons. One, within the technical bullshit of the platform. He was able to pick up the backup kicker and drop a biweek guy on the same thing of,

oh, that's kind of weird. You can drop a biweek guy and add this guy and like just get that through. The platform allows you to drop the biweek guy. Same thing. Like this was allowed to go through. Like, to me, that's just really simple. That's really creative. I think the larger picture is this is a really competitive and creative thing to do.

and this part, you played what you thought was checkmate and you took the backup kicker and you dropped the bi-week guy. And then in 15 minutes, this person found a fucking way to get Harrison Butker and then gave up a real asset because they wanted to win.

Like a big player for that. And so that's like, why is it not sitting well with anyone? This is the epitome of, to me, of like missing the forest for the trees. You're like, well, the roster is locked and so can he like actually process half the, who cares?

people are trying really hard in November. That's the point. You want people to stay engaged and have fun. Yeah, yeah. Like that is the idea. You don't disincentivize people from trying really hard. Yeah, I agree. I originally was surprised that he was able to drop somebody

to add the backup Washington kicker because typically you can't drop a player after they've played until a new week starts. So that depends on some platforms have that as a rule you can do, which is a huge. I think I know the platform know your platforms the only reason why Chuck has a case here

is because the league rules are that there's a 24 hour review period for a trade If the league rules mention Facebook I don't give a fuck with the league rules say at the 24 hour review Well they were last updated in 2021 I have a feeling that other trades have also been pushed in

in under 24 hours Yeah so what if I guess if there was a trade that occurred two weeks ago in this league and there was a 24 hour review on it Does that change your opinion? I don't understand what the review is for. Are they voting on it?

Or is it just like to let people know that the trade is happening? I'm not sure. I think I don't think anyone really. I think our general stance on vetoing trades is that only the commissioner should do that. Also, 24 reviews are kind of arbitrary. It's like the commissioner like should I'm okay with commissioners pushing through trades before. Like the idea that if you need to set your line up on Thursday night, you're like, hey, can you push this through? at, like the idea, what are you saying?

Like, oh, if you want to get in before your lineup, you need to make a trade before one o'clock on Saturday. Like, no, that's no one actually believes that. Like, that's stupid. I do think it hurts Chuck's case that he was able to add Matt Gay's backup, but then his opponent was like, oh, yeah, I'll one up. You can train for her. Did Butker win it for him?

Yes, Buckker won. The guy ended up, Chuck lost by 0.5. That's the core of it. His butt hurtness that Butker beat him is so much. much more of the reason here that he was like, but this 24 hour review. I feel like this is just, this is like, this is what fantasy is about. I think that it's going to hurt this guy's team a lot that he traded Zayflowers for freaking butker.

It's crazy that you'd even do that. Yeah. Dude, I, I, I, I, I, but I like that. He's desperate. That's pretty stupid. I'm thinking at Dodgewood was like, the bylaws, the bylaws. I don't, I don't think, I don't feel that this violates the spirit of the game. You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? This is what it's about. This is the spirit of the game, which is, I'm going to give up a save flowers because I want to win this matchup right now. And also it's a fuck you to this guy who went and picked up the freaking commander's backup guy. Yeah. And then he won. So you're talking about Tom Brady's clone dog now?

I thought you'd never ask. Clear your calendars. Cancel all my meetings. Amid all these trades, it was revealed that Tom Brady's current dog, whose name is Junie, is a clone of his late dog, Lou. who died in 2023. Also, the cloning company

is someone that he is invested in. Yes, colossal bioscience is a biotech company that Brady is an investor in. So this is essentially like a fucking ad. Yes, 100%.

His dog is an ad for keeping your pets alive forever. Well, and so this has happened before. Like Barbara Streisand famously cloned one dog to create two dogs.

she has like three or four because clones are like she has multiple clones two of them are a clone she of one of her one lay dog yeah and also Paris Hilton did this as well but this company

that Brady is investing in colossal biosciences they just acquired viagin pets in equine equine horses which is the company that did Paris Hilton

and Barbara Streisand's cloning so now this company is just gobbled up all the pet cloning companies. What? What is your first reaction to this, Craig? I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, and yet this is super fucking weird to me.

I would never do this, and I think this is super odd. And it costs like, they said like 50 to 100 grand to do this per dog. And they even, like it's like your dog doesn't even have the same personality. It's like it will be similar but kind of different. It's just like the weirdest thing in the world.

Yeah. My joke was always like the Giants tried this. What if you clode Daniel Jones but didn't have him raised by Arch Manning? Yeah. The. She reminds me of multiplicity. Did you ever see that movie? No.

One of the one of the, I feel like one of the more underrated like old comedies, multiple cities like this. Every copy that you make, there's like, it's Michael Keaton and he's like cloned a bunch of times. And every copy is just like a little dumber. Yeah.

So, this is just like, we should do like a, we should steal part of my take, Mount Rushmore for a week and do like just rich people doing some shit Mount Rushmore right I mean? Between this and the

Brian Johnson guy measuring his boners so he could live forever I do think I get the idea in a nutshell like obviously people have the urge of course you lose a pet you want that pet again and you feel for a moment I would do anything to have that pet again

it also kind of like dehumanizes the pet in a way because you're trying to because it's like nature well you're cheating nature. Would you do this? If someone is like, you can clone your mother, but she'll be a little different. You would never do that. Yeah, young. She'll be completely different. Yeah. It's like, well, she might have some similar traits, but she'll be a different person. It's like, of course you wouldn't do that. So you're almost not treating your dog as like a living thing. You're just like, I wanted to look the same. And it is 100% like this is like Jurassic. This is like this literally, this is a

tale as old as time. It's like man trying to cheat death and just defy the rules of nature. but it's for rich people and I do think like the joke now is like you're not no one's ugly you're just poor like it's all the rich people now are able to afford all these fucking facelifts and like Chris Jenner now looks genuinely younger than Kim Kardashian which is freaky

and this to me just feels like an extension of hey if you're really rich your pets can just live forever but like it's kind of fucking crazy yeah it's so Tom Brady though but I get it though because people are like I just wish I could have that dog again but like that urge anyone

Anyone in our in the world is going to do this right now. I'm like, it had to be Tom Brady. I think it's ridiculous. I mean, obviously, look, I understand when people, people love their animals and I think I have nothing against that, but this is not the same dog. It's just a dog that looks exactly like your old dog. Just in a clone. You know what?

You know who else looks exactly like your old dog? Every other dog in that breed. Just get the same breed. I don't know. This is so ridiculous. It doesn't, but it becomes like a natured nurture thing. It doesn't have the same fucking personality. It doesn't have the same experiences.

or the bond that you share with it. It's a fucking new dog. It's rich people being annoyed that they can't, they can't like beat God. Yeah, 100%. 100%. There's like a lack of coping with life. If anyone has cloned their pets,

email us in, like I would love to hear from you. I could see an argument where they're like, look, if you have money is no object, why not? But there's something about it where... I guess, yeah, I would actually be curious to here. Does the dog have the same person? personality.

And I would be curious. I watched the video about it. It says that the dog will be like, have some similarities, but will be also slightly different in certain characteristics. Where's the line? I just, this just feel, I don't know where the line is on what the merger between the this, that's just, I just know, I feel like this is on the other side of the line. We, I just cloning a dog because you don't want to, I don't know.

Yeah. I'm out. Yeah, I'm out. Anyway, sorry, this episode is brought to by Colleen. was brought to by colossal biotechnology. Oh, boy. It is an ad. He's just cloned his dog as an ad.

This is like a way, weirder version of how LeBron was like, The Decision to, and then everyone's like, he's retiring, and it's like an ad for some liquor or forget what it was even for. Do you see somebody was suing him?

Someone suing LeBron for the cost of the tickets to go to the decision two or something like that? That person's the dumbest person I've ever seen. Because he bought him? Not to be mean. But the idea of like you saw an ad and it was like, LeBron, the decision. And then you went to Ticketmaster and you paid for like what? The first season opener or the season ender, you're like, oh, it's this last game ever.

And then it's not. And then you're like, I'm going to sue LeBron James. How is that? I don't even know. Suing, I think, is a bit over the top. However, a lot of people were tricked by that and I can't fault him for that. That's fair. That's fine.

You're going to sue LeBron James. He's suing him for what he paid. That's it. He's not suing him for damages or anything. Well, I didn't say he was retiring. Just wants his money back. He should sue the marketing agency. Yeah, that would make sense.

They're the ones who made the fucking ad. I don't know, man. Whatever. All right. The only thing, we got a couple more emails here. A lot of people emailed us about the whole fire thing. Oh, God. How hot is fire?

How hot is fire. About how dumb we are or what? Well, we were on to something about when we were like, oh, but boiling water does not feel eight times less hot than a lit cigar. And there was something to that. And a lot of people actually politely explain how our feeling was correct, but mathematically there is an explanation. So we got a bunch of emails.

Thank you to like Bobby and Dustin and Kyle and Michael, all these very smart people who emailed us. Dustin had a good explanation. Dustin for breakfast had a homemade latte and a cheese stick. Cool. Like a string cheese? I think, I'm assuming so. Okay.

Or maybe just like chewed on it, not even a string. cheese, just a cheese stick. I got to say, Craig, when you said, show me your breakfast, I was like, what are we going to get out of this? It really is a window and people live different lives. I love it. I love it. It honestly, it's such a great window into, like, who people are.

Craig, what'd you eat for breakfast? I didn't have breakfast. I had a macho latte. That was it. Stud. High fits? I had chicken salad on a sourdough. For breakfast?

Chicken salad on a sourdough. Chicken salad on sourdough. What time? What time? That's bizarre. Nine. I've never heard of that. If that was 1040, I would have been like, okay, nine.

We just started doing chicken salad for breakfast, man. Chicken salad on it. Okay. All right. Get back to the email. All right. Dustin has a degree in chemical engineering. He says, when you mentioned boiling water versus fire, I realized I couldn't explain,

I could explain why boiling water feels so much hotter. How hot something feels isn't just about temperature. It's about how much heat it transfers to your skin. Right. But you were kind of talking about this, I think. Temperature is one part of that, but another big factor is the heat transfer coefficient, which basically measures how easily heat moves from the source to you. Boiling water has a heat transfer coefficient between 3,000 and 60,000,

while fire is only around 5 to 60. It's way lower. So even though fire can be hotter in terms of temperature, boiling water transfers heat dramatically faster, 80 times more. It's very interesting. Yeah. That's why I got it wrong by so much. Right, me too.

I feel like we should take back that point. I literally Craig this morning. I woke up. I was like, God, dude. I was so off. I just flashed.

We did. Did you really? Yeah. I was like, fuck, that I really guessed low. I should have known fire was way fucking hotter than that. I should have known fire was hot.

I always knew fire. This, it's truly doing these, the trivia is honestly, I think the most humbling thing we do. I'm just like, I consider myself a somewhat intelligent person and I feel like the stupidest person alive every time we answer these fucking questions. You have to just.

just embrace it. You have to embrace it, D.K. It's like, you know what? I'll try. My takeaway from that episode is when I recommend A.J. Barner and he barely scores with the push push. I'm like, wow, it was kind of wrong. Thank God he got billed up by the tush push. And I'm like, oh, no, that's what I'm worried about. I'm like, I don't know how hot fire is. Well, you kind of did. You were way closer than me and D.K. Well, I was going to brag, but yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks, D.K. Thank you. Technically, the question wasn't how hot fire is. It was how hot is the front is the front of a cigar, which is a little different.

Maybe, but actually not really. I don't know. I don't know why I'm defending myself. You want me to sound stupid and make you feel better? Yeah. You ever look at fire and be like, what is fire? Yeah.

That's fucking Pandora's box. Let's not even open that. Like, what is fire? Like, I'm looking, like, sometimes they'll stare into the flames. I'm just like, but what is it? What is anything? Sometimes I think about that.

What is that? I'm like, anything. I'm like, everything is just, molecules? What does that mean? It's fucking nuts. What does that mean? We're all made up of a bunch of atoms. That's still okay.

Why do some molecules not, there's a whole Pete Holmes joke about this. He's like, how come some molecules can go through each other and others can't? Like, when I knock on a table, what's going on there? Why does that work? How does that work? That's high. Email us, you can explain that. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Or thermodynamics.

All that. We'll take everything. Thank you, thank you, Craig. Thank you, everyone in advance for emailing. Ron. Thank you, Carlis. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you. Everyone for emailing email us. We'll take trivia questions on cloning on Matter, Adams. Thermodynamics. Teach us stuff. You guys, if I die, can you clone me? I was actually wondering, like, we should start cloning us now so that when we die, we can just, the different versions of us can, like, keep the show going. Do you think Brady? We're going to have to raise your ass from a baby? I'm not doing that. That would be such good content. You guys raising baby Craig? Baby clone, Craig?

Oh my God. It's like a good movie. That's a good script. What if Baby Craig has like terrible takes? We're like, okay. Baby Craig's way worse takes. There's a, there's a script. Baby Craig's just not funny.

Yeah, it's not funny at all. No sense of humor. He just really serious. He's just really serious. Oh, God. Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Earthwind and fire.

Nice. Good one. Wow. All the things, that was really good. All the things I'm curious about. And I have no idea how they work. Every time, every time, not every time,

but since I'm saying stupid stuff this week between socks and everything I've said in this episode, when I get hit by wind, I'm always like, how far did that take to get to me? Like, where was that created? Like, did that come like 100 miles to the ocean or is that like 100 yards old?

How old is that wind? How old is that wind? How old is that wind? I wish there was like a little tracking device on a particular air molecule. How old is weird? Yeah. I just want to how we get hit by a breeze?

How old is that wind? How old is that wind? Dude, I saw a TikTok yesterday about like why is, why is like the Northeast so cold, but Europe is not compared to it, even though Europe is like on the same plane. Is that the jet stream? It's not just the weather. It's like bringing the warm winds or whatever. Yeah, it's like basically the way the air just moves across the earth based on the jet stream.

kind of never thought about that. That was very cool to see. Rain is crazy. Michael Lewis said this awesome book called The Fifth Risk, but in it, he makes the argument that you never think about it, but one of the great inventions of mankind and like people who are like, oh yeah, fire or cars or whatever, but he's like predicting the weather, as much as we joke about how often weather meant it wrong. The ability to predict the weather is actually one of the most important, incredible inventions ever. And it's actually insane that we can do it and it's insane. But the point being, he's like, it's actually crazy complicated because you're

trying to predict how all the molecules in the sky will move. Well, yeah, it was like, it was like the Siberian air shoots up towards the top of the earth and then it comes down over Canada, down into the United States, but it misses like the southwest, which is why we don't have as much cold air as like the eastern side of the country is very interesting. Well, yeah, that's like why I was asking about Cleveland how it always has just horrific weather during football season and Hyvitz was like, I don't know, it's on a body of water. And I'm like, so are a lot of cities. I don't know. Why Cleveland's so fucked up? Well, the lake effect. But I'm sure that, yeah, they're in the name. Yeah, yeah, I know. But like, I'm sure there's, as Craig was pointing out, very specific weather patterns

that create that type of thing. But I mean, you're right. Speaking of which, wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Right. In a universe. Gales of November here early, baby. Also, you know, not saying, those memes, okay. No, I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. I mean, I've heard of that wreck,

but that's it. I mean, look, Michael Lewis is right, and that's why Jerry Jones is able to know where the sun is going to be almost a year in advance. It's true. Almost the full year.

Pretty impressive. They're getting close to a full year, I heard. Yeah. Every season, they get a little closer. Yep. They map it out. Yeah. Goodbye, everyone.

Must be 21 plus in present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus in present in D.C., Kentucky, or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit RG-Help.com. Call 1-88-7897777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut or visit MD gamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline, MA.org or call 800-327-50-50 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts

or call 18778-8 Hope N.Y or text Hope NY in New York.