The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Most Frustrating Fantasy Players

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

Power Hour! Discussing the fantasy football stars we’re most frustrated by and what to do with them heading into Week 10, including Bijan Robinson’s new role as the Falcons decoy, the modern-day Cloyce Box, Taylor Swift’s boyfriend, and much more (1:24). “You guys want to do some emails?” (37:08) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! Bijan “Decoy” Robinson (4:51) The Cloyce Box of our generation (8:01) Dan Campbell loves David Montgomery and hates your fantasy team (11:51) There’s nowhere to go but up for the second most famous DK in football (15:42) No Dallas Goedert, no problem (in other words, trade for DeVonta Smith) (19:21) Fingers crossed that positive regression is on the way for Davante Adams (21:23) ‘The George Pickens Show’ might be over (at least when it comes to fantasy relevance) (24:34) Taylor Swift’s boyfriend (28:45) Holup … don’t let James Cook (32:44) Trust the process with Tony Pollard … or don’t (35:26) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We were power ranking something every Wednesday during the season. And today we were power ranking all the guys we don't know what to do with. Like we're talking about the players that when you receive a trade offer for these guys, you don't know whether you should be insulted by the offer or maybe you should just take it. Craig, we have talked a lot about buy lows, sell highs, these players you know what to do with. And I feel like a key thing. We always need to remind people. It's not a buy low or a sell high unless you feel like.

a little nervous you're making a huge mistake. It's a leap of face. It's like Indiana Jones in the last crusade, right? You have to make a little bit of a leap of faith with these guys. They all have great name value. They were all drafted as highly touted picks, and there's an inherent, we call it anchoring, right? You're anchored

to the draft value that these guys had. And the number one guy we're going to start with is Bejan Robinson. But, and like, it's just tough to give up somebody with, you know, it's a top 10 pick in the NFL draft. But that's what we're here to talk about. And the flipside DK is like, if you, oh, I'm going to sell high.

It's like, yeah, you should be a little nervous because if you weren't nervous, there's nothing to sell high on because like you can't just like if a player is, players either talented or overperforming, but no one who's talented and overperforming gets the you know what I mean? You either have a player who's bad and doing well somehow or players great and underperforming. But if it's not one of those things, there's nothing for you to be afraid of. There's no opportunity. Right.

I constantly refer to it as the pucker factor. Anytime you make a trade, there's got to be a little bit of a pucker factor. and I'm not going to explain what that means, but No pain, no gain, essentially. It's a scary situation. Sometimes, like Craig said, you have to, actually, what did you say? You have to leap of faith.

You have to jump off that cliff and build your wings on the way down. Yeah, you know, Indiana Jones has to cross that final step to head to find the Holy Grail. I'm a peacock. You got to let me fly. Yeah, hopefully it's Indiana Jones and not they aim for the Bush's other guy's situation. This is important to talk about that because that... Great scene.

It's like the most underrated scene of movie has been. I think the whole movie. I'm not going to spoil it. The default trade deadline on Yahoo is November 18th. That's 10 days. We're recording this Tuesday. You're probably listening to this on Wednesday. So that's on Yahoo ESPN default trade deadline is November 29th.

So a little more time there. On the sleeper app, I don't know what the deadline is. But it's not even a date. It's like a week. It's like week 10 means the deadline is at the end of the Monday at football game, which is kind of weird. I don't know. But whatever it is, check your leagues.

Like go to your leagues and your commissioner, probably no one asked when the deadline is. The commission either left it or set it, but go and check when the deadline is because you don't want the deadline to pass and you didn't make any deals. So we're going to go through trade advice. And again, pucker factor. Again, the easiest way to do trades. It's like go to the bottom of the standings. Who's got the L1, L2, like three game losing streak, whatever it is?

Those people want to make a trade. No one on three game winning streak wants to trade their players. Everyone on a three game losing streak wants to trade their players. It's like that's simple. It's like start with the four teams that are doing terribly and go from there. We're going to do this power hour style. If you're not familiar with power hour, super simple. Every two minutes, you're going to hear this sound?

What the hell is this, Kai? Is this? Oh, is this the Fandul. This is the Fanduil music. Wow. Okay. Guys keeping us on our feet. That's crazy.

Wow, that is pretty good music, though. That was nice. I felt like I was in an elevator at a five-star hotel. How does that? It's the one has the rights to that. We just got that rights free. It's crazy. So yeah, you hear that, Tom, Tom, Tom,

whatever Kai's doing, I don't know what he's up to. So we're not in control, I guess. And again, we're power rank players who don't know what to do with. And as Craig said, number one player, we don't know what to do it. No one knows to do. Bejan Robinson, running back in the Falcons. Yeah, Bejohn-Robinson is what I think we have to call him now. Because Arthur Smith is essentially using him.

Like NBA teams used to use JJ Redick. They're like, oh, Arthur Smith basically recently said that Bejohn Robinson's impact away from the ball can open things up. for the other Falcons players. Kyle Corver. For guys like Jonu Smith. Yeah, Arthur Smith said that the reason why Robinson hasn't gotten the ball inside the five-yard line this season is just because of how defenses have been game

planning and how using Bejan Robinson as a decoy is actually beneficial. Tyler Algier has five times the amount of touches inside the five this year as our boy Bejohn Robinson. Desmond Ritter has more. Quarterill Patterson has the same amount of touches inside the five. as Bejohn Robinson. D.K. After this latest statement from Arthur Smith, are you at peak anger?

Or is this just, are you used to it by now? Now, at this point, I'm honestly somewhere past it where I've like come to accept it. Somewhere in the bargaining or like whatever the stage of grief that you go through, I am just absolutely beyond the anger part now. I don't even know where I am just because I've, I just have no more energy to like give to this situation. I mean, this is where we are. We talking about the number eight pick

in the draft, a running back who everyone talks about, don't take a running back in the first round. This is the eighth overall pick. They took a running back. And now they're talking about him. It's supposed to be the best running back we've seen in like 10 years.

Like the best running backs in Sequin Barclay. I don't want to contradict what you guys said, but Dickey, you sound like you're still in the anger thing. Yeah, well, it got back there. You know, it's like a drum up old baggage. It's fluid. You know, you go back.

So what do you do? Like, do you, hypothetically, if you had Bejohn Robinson in the Ringer Fantasy Football League, as I do. Do you trade high? You're like, you hold him, right? Like, I think he can't get less touches, but he probably can.

How dare you say that? Look, this is so jazzy. This is incredible. It's long, too. It's like a good seven seconds. That's funny. Here's what I'll say about Robinson here. His next four weeks, he basically plays the Cardinals.

next week. And I would say if he has a great game, think about selling him, because then he goes on buy, and then he plays the Saints, Jets, and Bucks, all teams that are top 10 against fantasy running backs. If you wanted to get cute, the fantasy playoffs, he has a really easy schedule, but are you going to get there with Bajon Robinson after these next five weeks? Maybe not. So I would say to play in the Cardinals this week, if he has a big game, maybe get rid of him. However, usually when the Falcons are winning, they give the ball to Tyler O'G. So I don't know what to tell you. I don't Over the last four weeks also, one last note. Over the last four weeks, Tassum Hill has more rushing fantasy points,

just rushing. Just rushing. Than Bejohn Robinson. I'm angry again. I'm back to anger. I think if you could get rid of him, you should for somebody of commensurate value. The next most confusing actually is Taysam Hill. Like Tastom Hill, I don't even have a tight end for the say it's tight end fullback.

Or just, what do they call Cloy's Box? End. That's basically what Taysim Hill is. Yeah. Player. He's the opposite, though, where he's. I mean, probably undrafted in a lot of leagues. And now it's, I don't know, Dick is, would you sell high on Taysam Hill?

Or are you afraid that you would lose your fantasy championship because you traded him away? So I think this is the conundrum with Taysom Hill. Over the last three weeks, he is the overall tight end one. Like, let that sink in for a second. He scored 11 points more than Mark Andrews, who is the tight end two. So he is at the tight end position wildly valuable. He scored more points than Travis Kelsey, to be clear. So he's like over the last three weeks of like essentially like having Travis Kelsey at tight end.

That is a massive, massive advantage particularly in a season where you don't have a lot of production from the tight end spot. And so to me, this is a true conundrum. Like obviously it depends on what you could get for him. If you could get him from if you could get a really good player for him, that's where I start making the trades. But like he could be so valuable to you during the rest of the season just because his role is essentially reds zone specialist. It's not a tight end. He's not a tight end. Like, Juan Johnson is their tight end. He's just the guy they put in in the red zone.

Is it God intend for us to play Tassum Hill in the tight end position? Like, I don't know. I don't know what's crazier. That or the fact that him and Kelsey make like the same amount of money in real life. But this is screwed up, man. Right, right, right. This whole thing's messed up. What do you think, Craig? I think you got to hold on to him because he's not going to be as valuable to anybody else. Like, he's only valuable to you. You know what I mean? Hyphids, it's like you and your cat. Everyone's just like, oh, look, cat. And you're like,

and you're like, this cat is my entire life. And if you have Taysam Hill, no one's going to give you anything valuable for him because Taysam Hill's like kind of a punchline in the NFL. However, every week you're starting him and he's giving you 15 points. You just have to ride this wave.

I mean, I doubt that you... Look at this cat. It looks like a cat to me. It's a great cat. Compared to Tysam Hill. How dare you? Taston Hill should be a Hall of Famer, in my opinion. But yeah, it's like,

no one's going to give you anything for Tassum Hill. and you likely got him off the waiver wire, so you should just ride the wave until it's over. Appreciate it while you have it. I like that. Someone, someone. Live in the now.

Whatever that music is, it just makes me, I was mad at what Craig said. And then I'm like, oh, I'm feeling good. It's just like a chaser for my emotions. But the Taseham Hill thing, I think people are into it, though. There's nothing like it. It's honestly just like a giant loophole

that we don't really know how to handle. It's so funny because it feels like we've been talking about this guy for five years now. And it's never going to end. He's always just going to be the guy. He's always been hurt and he was Sean Payton's guy. And now he's healthy and play like, you know, I was going to say oldest he's been. But he's like, what, 33, 34 and Sean Payton's been gone. And so I just didn't think he'd ever get this usage.

But now it's like he's the flip side is just found money. It's like trade him. Somebody emailed us about a package. They are offered a package for Kelsey, sent it around Taysam Hill. Really? Okay. Well, then take it if you get Kelsey, I feel like. Yeah, I mean, that's ridiculous.

Do you think Do you think Taysam Hill should be designated as a running back next year? I don't know. It's a great question. It literally gets into like 21st century like identity.

It's just like it's weird to break the rule of like well whatever he's listed out on the team. Seems like a good rule. What are you going to get into this for every player? But he does seem like a special case. Yeah. He's genuinely like position fluid. Like he should just be like flex.

I mean look at last last game. He threw a touchdown. He caught a touchdown or rushed for touchdown. He has like, he's usuallyized in so many different ways. It's like if we had played fantasy football in the 50s, everyone would have been like kicker eligible because they're all just freaking kicking the extra points and stuff. Next up, most confusing players who don't know what to do with. Okay. So I think this is.

Sorry. Please go ahead. Chomping up the bit here. What I was going to say was this is a situation. I think a lot of people are going to have questions about right now and whether to sell high, by low, what to do with basically Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery for the Lions. because right now it sounds like David Montgomery is coming back. He's going to be back on the field, which of course makes the Jemir Gibbs people who have rostered him very worried.

But I've also seen a lot of people very worried about David Montgomery coming back. And like maybe this is just going to go straight to Jemir Gibbs and they're not going to look back based on what he's done in the last few weeks. So where you guys land on this Jemir Gibbs, David Montgomery situation? I think we all know what we want to be the case. And sometimes we confuse that for what is actually for reality. We all obviously know that Jemir Gibbs is a more. supposed to player than Montgomery. He's sexier. He's a rookie first rounder, Alabama. David Montgomery was a random running back before this year in the NFL, essentially. But Dan Campbell loves this man,

and we've seen what he did before. Every time David Montgomery's healthy, he immediately gets 20 carries and all the goal line touches. And I think the second Montgomery comes back, they will split. It will be a 70-30 split in Montgomery will once again be the favorite child in the committee. And I would sell high on Gibbs right now because he loves Montgomery. I actually feel the opposite. I think everyone's going to be happy. I think everyone needs to chill. And if you have Montgomery, it's not going to be as good as he was,

but he was like a top five running back. He's going to be playable every week. And that Jimmy Gibbs is going to be way better than he was the first half of the season. He's not going to get 30 touches a game. I think they're both going to split and they're both going to be like top 12, top 15 running backs.

You think they're both going to be top 12? Yes. Top 15. Top 12 is probably not possible. Top 15 going forward. Yes. I think they're both. It happens like every couple of years

there's always a team that is good enough that splits the workload enough. And Jemir Gibbs is going to catch enough passes if you're in PPR and Montgomery's going to get touchdowns. And I think everyone's going to be happy. It'll be fine. I don't know. Man, I love the sound of that universe. I want to live there.

I think I fall somewhere in the middle. I feel that you should, I lean that you should probably trade Gibbs. Oh, this is such a good song. This is incredible. Is Kenny G? What is this? I do feel like people will probably be a little bit. If you could find someone who's really worried about David Montgomery and you could flip Montgomery for Gibbs, do you think you?

you would do that. Obviously, Craig would do that. I think the thing about Montgomery is like, he had a rib cartilage injury. And I don't get the three weeks, but I don't know if you guys know this, but running backs get tackled in the ribs, like, all the time. Seems like that would hurt. So, like, there's the basic of, obviously there's risk, the rib injury gets worse.

But the other thing I think about, he's going to have to come off the field more. Like, he's going to be, like, I'm not a doctor. But I just like saying I'm not a doctor before giving a medical opinion anyway. But like, he's like, he's going to get, like, he's like, with all due respect. With all due respect. comes a lot of not respect. You can't just say that.

Sure as heck does. Sure as heck can. If I say I'm not a doctor, I can then give medical advice. That's the rule. I feel like he's going to get tackled and have to come off more. Like his lungs will be like out of air and he'll be pain and he's going to have to sub more. Don't you remember he hurt his leg in week three or week two missed week three came back in week four and he got 32 carries.

That was his leg. That was his leg. That was his leg. That's his fucking leg. She's running on. It's part of my language. The ribs are what you're breathing, well, the lungs, but the ribs protect. You know what, man, as I said, I'm not a doctor, Craig.

Dan Campbell has shown us who he is. We just need to listen. Believe him. This is what happens all the time. We're not seeing the forest for the trees here. We're getting wrapped up in the sexiness of fantasy football engineer Gibbs. Dan Campbell is a kneecap biter, and that's what he likes about David Montgomery. No, it's the other.

It's everyone's afraid of the Gibbs going back away. I'm like, it'll be fine. Everyone said chill. Just listen to the music. Kai is playing what's going very well. Okay. Next up, DK Metcalf receiver for the Seahawks.

Dude, everyone's upset with D.K. McCaff. Like, last, since week five, DK. McCaff is the 50th best receiver in points per game. Like, he's basically tied with Jake Bobo, who ran the backup Seahawks receiver,

ran a 499 40-yard dash. Like, they're equal in fantasy, more or less. Still don't know how that's possible. You know, it's so funny. How didn't even run a 499? We had an argument about whether, was it DK or, DK said you ran a sub 540 back in the day,

and we were like, no, you didn't. And like, literally the next day on Get Up, Dan Orlovsky said the same thing. And everyone on the table on live television was like, no, you can't. You can't do this. Yes, I can. This is the same argument we had. D.K. said I could run a sub 540 and I don't think I could. I think you could.

What? You see offensive linemen doing it, man. The craziest thing is the idea. Maybe give him like two weeks to train and then he'll do it. I think it's wild. The gap between us and like DeAndre Hopkins in the 40s, like less than half a second. That's very funny to me. I just find that hard to believe.

But, but, Dek, More importantly, to D.K. Metcalf, because what is your father's current takes in D.K. Metcalf? I feel like this is like a cruxie relationship. His take has not changed. But he's being a good dad. He's not really like gloating at the moment, which is nice. Because my take has been and probably still remains that D.K. Metcalf is an awesome, awesome receiver. And we should appreciate that.

I will say in fantasy, a little bit frustrating. In real life, also very frustrating. That's why it's a bilo, baby. Yeah. He's had a tough season. I would say. Certainly not living up to expectations. That's why it's a by-low.

Everyone has DK-Mecke feels that way. Here's the thing. It's fine. Like, the Seahawks' last two opponents were the Browns and the Ravens. Those are like literally the two best defenses in football. And then he missed the Arizona game before that.

And before that they played the Bengals who have an underrated defense and the Seahawks are down like four linemen. These are three of the best defenses in the NFL. Then they played the Giants who have a really good D-Liner at the time. And that's the game where the Seahawks lost like or had two down and lost two more alignment. So it's like, other than that, he's been fine. It's like, all right, he had four terrible runs in a row. It's like, he's going to be fine the rest of the season, but you could totally get him.

Incredibly groovy. Hold on. Hold on. I got to finish my cigarette out. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's just like in a heart-shaped jacuzzi right now. I feel like I'm in a movie when I hear that. I feel like it's very, very easy within a season to get myopia, like concentrate really on what's happened over the last two games or whatever, three games. And even over the last three games, he's still averaging, like, close to the year. to like eight or nine targets a game.

He's still getting the targets. I think the production is going to come when things level out in terms of like their level of competition. So I don't know. I'm still obviously on the DK Metcalfe's awesome train. I don't know if I necessarily would go out like looking to trade for him though.

But I would because if you look at the difference between fantasy points and expected fantasy points per game in the last month, the number one player is DK. Metcalfe. Literally the gap between DK's expected fantasy points and real fantasy points is eight points per game. That's like another starting spot. That's why that's the difference.

Well, that's what I would just play the Browns or the Ravens. So I think he is the guy I would want. I think the gap between the reality of what Gino Smith is and what the perception of Gino Smith is right now is like never been wider. Because I think Gino Smith is a solid starting quarterback, a good quarterback, and people want to bench him. And I think both D.K.

Mac and Gino Smith are going to level out as the season goes on. And we're going to start to see them play like we more expected them to play. The only people want to bench Gino or your crazy Seahawk friends. I'm telling you, it's all over. It's all over. No, these are like, they're not worse after this week. These are the Twitter nerds like down in their bunkers tweeting about D.K. McKFF. This is not real.

Okay, sure. Okay. Next up, speaking of receivers, Devante Smith for the Eagles, he, again, not as D.K. McHath last month's been the 50th receiver. Devonty Smith's been the 40th best receiver. He's been slightly behind Tyler Boyd and Zay Jones in points per game and slightly ahead of Josh Palmer. So not exactly going to clutch your pearls.

someone comes and ask if you want Devante Smith. He's pretty acquirable. But Dallas Goddard, tied in for the Eagles, broke his forearm. He's getting surge. He's going to go an injured reserve. Last year when Donald Scott it was hurt down the stretch. Devante Smith, final six weeks of the season. Number two receiver in fantasy, number two. And the number one was A.J. Brown. The Eagles without Godder,

they're just to pass it to the Italians' offense. Love the funnel. Love the funnel offenses. Let's get this going. I think this one's perfect. Because again, look, you want guys on good offenses. You want guys guys who are going to care down the stretch. The Eagles are going to be fighting to get this one seed. And it would Dallas got it out.

This is a pass to the Italians funnel offense now. This is Devante Smith and this is A.J. Brown. So the only problem is Devante just had a good game. He's actually had a couple decent back-to-back games. So you should have traded for him like two weeks ago. But if you can still get him now, just like T. Higgins, who just had a good game now that the Bengals are back. I would still, you're going to have to pay up a little bit to get Devonte Adams,

but I would still do it. To me, Jemir Gibbs for Devante Adams, I would do that. Here's the thing, though, Devante Smith. Dallas Goddard injury. Sorry, DeVante Smith. I've been saying Devante Adams. Devonte Smith. Oh.

I was confused for a second. Yeah. Which Devante would you rather have rest of the season? Adams or Smith. Wow, that's a good question. That is a good question. Dallas Goddard,

I mean, I feel like he's probably out for the season. Me, not a doctor, but Dallas Goddard. Honestly, I think I'd rather have Devante Smith. And I'm, so I was saying,

I would trade Jemir Gibbs for Devante Smith. And I think that's, that is a fair trade of two people giving up things that they love. It's a good deal. Pucker factor.

The Pucker Factor. The Pucker Factor comes in right there. think for both sides, which is a good thing. Yeah, that's like a close your eyes and click-accept kind of situation. Yeah. Am I to speak easy? That's flawless. All right, next up, Devante Adams, then.

I feel like, Devonthe Adams received for the Raiders. It's like also just what's up with that guy? So, Devante Adams is this season writing on his first four weeks because that's where almost all of this production came in. So the last five games since week five, he's emerging. You can say, D.K, it was the Steelers game. He's just riding off. the Steelers game.

He's averaging five points a game over his last five games. That's unstartable. That is a, that's worse than the worst player. The worst player you can think of, it's worse than that. I mean, literally,

he had 35 points against the Steelers and 20 targets and then that's kind of it. And that's just sustained his entire season. In a way, you know what's funny? I was thinking about the people who had that week from him and lost so that it even, so all that matters is like he's been in their lineup, but even the one good wake did nothing for them.

It seems like the vibes have shifted, at least for Devante Adams, because I think he really did not like Jimmy G very much. And to be honest, like there was a couple of plays where he could have really boosted his production, especially in the last Jimmy G game where Jimmy G missed him on, I think it would have been like a 98-yard touchdown and a 60-something yard touchdown. So obviously it's closer than it sounds to being like a good, he's closer than it sounds to being like a good player. But in fantasy, I should say it. But I don't know, man, it's with Aidan O'Connell under center, the offense, I think, is so capped that I'm still pretty worried about it. Even though, like, if you'll hear people talk about it, and this is something that you could, like, whisper into someone's ears if you're trying to trade Adams away. His target rate with Aidan O'Connell under center is awesome. It's like 30 plus percent, which is awesome.

I don't know if it matters, though, because the offense is just not going to score very many points, you know? I feel like, so my thing is he's getting a lot. get the targets because Aidan O'Connell's 25. And when Aidan O'Connell was like 17, Devante Adams had 12 touchdowns. And at the end of the day, I feel like the default is when you were a rookie quarterback, you're going to throw it to the guy who was like scoring when you were in high school. It's down there somewhere throw it up. Devontas like throw me the ball.

You're like, okay. Here's something to consider. If you want to trade for Devante Adams, you might want to wait one week because why? The Raiders play the Jets next. So that's going to be tough. No, I think you got to start it because the guy's like, oh, I'll give it one more week and then he's bad again. And you're like, okay, fine.

And also might persuade the person who has Devante Adams to trade now because he's like, I'll play the Jets next week. Like, I'll give him. Yeah. And also, if he's good against the Jets, then they're not going to give him up. They still have to play the Chiefs twice too. Who's the worst player you would accept for Devante Adams right now? The worst player.

Gibbs? Would you take Gibbs? Let's just say, obviously it's all conditional on the team. Let's say that you let's say that you have running backs and receivers you don't need anything. Yeah, I would do that. I would do that trade.

Gibbs for Adam. Pay some Hill and you don't have to go tight end. I would not do that. If you had Goddard at tight end. What about Joe Mixing? Oh, yeah. Easily. Yeah, probably.

Well, that's crazy. I'm not optimistic about Adams going forward, to be honest. Next up here, players who don't know what to do with. George Pickens, receiver for the Steelers. Yeah, speaking of a 25-year-old quarterback. So, look, I was worried about Pickens, after the return of Deontay Johnson, it turns out that was right. Pickens without Deontay kind of like we saw what he could be, right?

Basically 15 fantasy points a game, 90 yards a game, was making big plays left and right. Pickett was taking shots to him. But as we've learned with the Steelers' offense, it's pretty much just like sustainable for one player only. And when Deontay Johnson came back, like, Kenny Pickett literally doesn't throw for enough yards to sustain two fantasy performances unless he's throwing touchdowns, which, as we've learned, he doesn't do either. He's only thrown for more than one touchdown once in his career.

CJ Stroud has more touchdown passes than Kenny Pickett. You know that pass it to the Italians? Like, Dolphins and Eagles just give it to like the two good players. But then the Steelers are, they're not like, like what are those little like city states in Italy? You know, like Vatican City or Sam, like the much smaller ones. That's like the Steelers. It's like there's just not much room for people here. Pickett's just like too safe with Deontay Johnson.

Like it's like the first read every time he's just going to Deonti. And they're not taking shots to Pickens unless it's the fourth quarter and they're down. 10, which is most games, but you're basically depending on Pickens, like, coming down with, like, a miraculous top sports center top 10 touchdown catch every week, or just getting his foot down in the corner of the end zone, which apparently he can't do it. But I don't think the vibes are great with Pickens. He's been tweeting and Instagramming stuff. He said, like, free me.

He, like, unfollowed the Steelers on Instagram. He then recanted that and said that actually was about something else, which is definitely a lie. But, I don't know. I actually, I mean, it's going to be hard to. It's going to be hard to sell Pickens, but I kind of would. I don't, unless I don't see the Steelers' office getting that much better, and I don't see him getting that many more targets or anything like that. What would you take for Pickens?

Antonio Gibson. No. Remandre Stevenson? You can't get for Remandre for Pickens. Javonte Williams? I don't know if you could get Giovante. Kind of that realm, maybe. It's hard to trade a receiver for a running back.

Craig, I saw a trade go down in my league today. Gabe Davis for George. Pickens. What do you think of that? Who do you take in there? Let me look up. What's Gabe Davis then? He had a zero in this last game. Oh. I mean, so did George Pickens. The two of them combined for like negative points. I mean, Pickens should have had a touchdown, but man, looking at me, I would take,

I would take Gabe Davis. I love trades like that where like a guy who had zero yards for a guy with negative yards and you just like, all right, you know what do we have to lose here? Like, you didn't even have to pretend. You're like, my guy sucks. Your guy sucks. Like let's just, you know, new scene. It's like something happened. Yeah. Johan Dotson? Would you rather have Johan Dotson? There's an idea. 100%.

I don't know. Yes. Pickens scores that touchdown. Are we really having this talk right now? We need two targets. That's the issue. No. Yeah.

I want Dotson. Also, yeah, Mike Tomlin said, you know, Pickens was a pebble an issue. See that? Yeah, I did. He had two catches, by the way, five targets. But yeah, I actually like what Tomlin said.

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with Travis Kelsey, tied in for the chiefs. Stop. What are we doing? What do you mean you don't know what to do with? I got multiple questions about trading away Kelsey.

Here's why. I think you should go for him because it's usually really hard to trade for Travis Kelsey. Like the last five years is almost impossible. When you have Travis Kelsey on your team, like that's like becomes who you are. It's your whole identity.

It's like getting a dog in the pandemic. It's just like became who you were. It's true. But now it's like the dog, it's like, okay, shit on the carpet. And you're like, all right, that's done. But now it's like happening again because Kelsey got hurt in week one. So the Kelsey people were like, oh, like, I got Kelsey now.

I'm trying this. And then he doesn't play. You're like, oh, my God, did I make a huge mistake? Now, then he's playing really well. And the Swift thing happens. You're at the epicenter. But now it's like he just had his worst game since 2016. And realistically, who the hell could you trade in return for Travis Kelsey?

What I'm saying is, I think that it's not like a bylaw in the sense that, people aren't going to want a lot. But I think it's more of the fact that he is acquireable. And most times you can't actually, it's like a puzzle that can't be solved. Like there's no way to fit the pieces in a way that everyone's like, I will do this trade. Now you can acquire him. That's really what I'm saying. Hypothetical for you, High Fitz.

Because when you were talking about Travis Kelsey, immediately started thinking about Cooper Cup, who was hurt at the beginning of the year. Oh, a swap. And then hasn't done anything for like three weeks. The worst stretch of his like career. since he became a phase. The difference is that Matt Stafford's thumb doesn't work and Brett Rippin was playing.

And like Patrick Mahomes as far as his fingers work. Who do you want more Cup or Kelsey right now? Kelsey? What I'm saying is very specifically, if you think you're, if you're like extremely confident you're going to make the playoffs and you're mostly shooting for a buy,

Travis Kelsey's playoff schedules Patriots, week 15, Raiders, week 16, Bengals, week 17. If you can already think that far ahead and you know you're going to make it, I would try and see if the person who has Kelsey, see if you can work singing. I heard Andy Reid, actually.

I just saw this on Twitter that he said that, He said that he actually prefers to use Kelsey as a decoy. That's smart coaching, you know. Are you really coaching if your best players just do all the work? No. By the way, Carson Wentz signed by the Rams today. Oh, my God. Yeah.

The dresser win. What's going to happen to dress or win? They're going to cut dresser win from the Rams corner. Is he going to go re-sign with the practice squad in Edmonton? No, they're going to freeze him and saw him 50 years later and see if they need him then. Just like they did. Yeah. Also, what do you do with the dresser and you don't need it anymore?

Goodwill. Put it out on a curb. Yeah, if it's that IKEA, yeah, the college stuff's light enough. You can do it yourself. But, like, you know, the heavier dressers, it's like, you have a friend come over and, like, do it with you. I was going to say neighbors, but I feel like millennials and Gen Z don't talk to their neighbors. That's over. That's right.

That's correct. That's like one of the biggest differences, I feel like. I feel like older people, like talked and knew their neighbors. And now that's like that's like that. You know what I hate, I hate that everybody has headphones on at the grocery store. You just want to chat people up, Craig? No, I don't. I don't want to talk to them, but I want to be able to say, like, excuse me and not have to, like, punch them in the arm to get them to hear me.

Like a bike horn, the little, you know, like to get by someone in the grocery store. On your right. I'm like, I know you're all listening to the ringer fantasy football show, but I'm here in person. You know what I mean? Craig, question. If I wear one headphone, does that bug you? I mean, you know what? I feel 50% better about that.

Thank you. Because that's what I do. Yeah. I can hear anything. I can hear people, you know, get out of the way. And I can, like, look really exasperated and, like, positive. Someone tries to talk to me, you know. I just hate the, like, somebody staring at the milks and you're, like, trying to get by.

And they have two headphones in. And you're like, what are we doing? Just no situational awareness. Just bumping into people. Like, listen to the jazz music. Listen to the fandal jazz music in the grocery store that they're playing. And you know what? Think for yourself for 20 minutes.

Can't be alone with my thoughts, great. A nightmare. All right, next up, players who don't know what to do with, James Cook, running back for the bills. This was my whole pitch coming into the season. I was like, I know James Cook's talented. I know he's cool. I know he's young. I know he's sexy.

All this stuff. But I was like, there's one giant man in the way of James Cook and being good at fantasy football. And his name is Josh Allen. And once again, we are here. Josh Allen, usually the number one guy inside the goal line for the bills. And he once again is. Basically, Cook started hot. Two of his first three weeks, he had over 100-year-old.

and looked really good. They beat up on the Raiders and they beat up on the commanders and everyone's like, James Cook time. Since then, nothing's really happened. He has one rushing touchdown

on the air. Josh Allen has six. And that's kind of just the entire thing. There's a stat that tracks how often a player is on the field inside the five yard line. So like, what percentage of the snaps

when the team is inside the five yard line is a player on the field? James Cook is on the field 20% of the time inside the five. I think that the times that is accounted for, is like because Latavius Murray got tired too. They tried to pound it three straight times

with Latavius. It didn't work and now they're going to throw it on fourth and James Cook is standing there. Yeah. Yeah, for reference Latavius Murray's on the field almost 60% of the time for the bills. And now they have Leonard Furnett. Now they have Leonard Furnett who's got massive quads as we saw. Damian Harris, who went on IR week six

has more rushing touchdowns in James Cook. When did we see Lenny Furnett's quads, D.K. Oh, he was wearing these like real short shorts, basically a swimsuit. though European swimsuits like boxer brief looking things at practice, dude has massive legs. I'd say he's a well-traveled man, but did you see that his first tweet like three hours after he landed in Buffalo? It was like, damn, Buffalo's really cold.

This is awful. Yeah, he's like, this is so cold. Fornette did his, wait, I forget, I mean, he went to LSU. I think he's from Florida. I forget somewhere in the south. And then he went to the Jaguars and then the Bucks. This dude's played his whole career in the hottest part of the country. Well, and what's funny, it's like early November.

Like, just wait, my man. Dude, I know. It's like, you've got a nice one. You have no idea. The bill's literally had to shovel their way out just to make a playoff game. But anyway, do you guys agree with me on Cook?

Like, I don't see a major upside with him. No, it's a much better idea than it will be. You're right. The bills, fundamentally, I just don't believe that they will be a running team in release with James Cook. Like, I totally agree. I think this is a good call.

Nature versus Nurture. It's like Josh Allen can't change. Josh Allen's going to do what he's going to do. they want it they really really want him to check down he just refuses and maybe they'll trade james cook down the road and just like zach moss who's who's doing great in indianapolis devon singletary's like they're starting running back on the texans it's like they always have good running backs they just don't work in their system all right next up here players who don't know what to do with dude going back to the well tony pollard baby running back for the cowboys are our number one guy

going to the moon only way to go is up only way's up a little a month ago you can still buy him low It's, you know what? Doge coin, baby. Get in now. Hold the line. Don't sell. At this point, we're saying he's a bylaw so that we can sell him first. It is kind of like a coin-esque scheme.

We got to get rid of all the stuff we have. The old pumping dump. Tony Pollard has the most snaps of anyone in the like consecutive touches right now of anyone in the NFL without a touchdown, like active stage. That's cool. Which really, if you think about it, probably is no whatsoever. attachment to how good he is, and it just means that there's a bunch of touchdowns coming. Yeah, right.

He did have one called back last week. All right. A couple of other things just want to mention. I've never talked about this, but trading for defenses and fantasy, I almost never say it, but I will say, we'll talk about buy low. If you want to buy high, the Browns, if you are like, I'm going to make the playoffs. If you're like 7-1, 6-2 or I guess we've done nine weeks, 7-2, 8-1, whatever you are, even 6-3, I'm going to make it.

Browns D, the playoff schedules, they're playing the Bears at week 15? and the Jets in week 17, the Browns, and then the Eagles are playing like the Giants in week 16, the Cardinals are week 17, and Eagles defense is easier to find. Part of me is like, if you just want to just go get the Browns day and you have like a lot of depth,

I'm like, just do it, screw it, like just go for it. Those are the difference makers at the end of the season. I mean, look at last night,

the Chargers defense at 27 points. Like those are the things that will swing your matchups in the playoffs. Yeah, just start peeking at defenses and stuff. So it can make an absolute difference. All right, those are the players who don't have to do with,

get to some emails. It's email time. Emails. This is, all right. There's only one place to start. So the last episode, so was Sonny Jurgensen. You guys were like,

Sonny. It's Sunny, like Sonny and Sha. So I've been saying like Sonny and Cher and Sonny Corleone, and you guys were like, what are you doing? I, a tremendous amount of feedback. You know what? We went hyphen, it's viral. It happens once every three or four weeks.

I just want to reiterate. A lot of people email. to be like, well, it's father and son. And Craig said, why would it be Sonny? It's son. But here's the thing. It's the two end thing. It's a name. This is the path you want to go down?

This is the angle you want to take, the English language. No one's debating your reading of Sunny. But no one's debating how you interpret it. It's the fact that you've never heard anyone say the word sunny before is just a wild. Absolutely wild. Well, because no one's named Sunny. You had to come up with one person. Sonny Gray, that's like,

Sunny Gray, whatever. In the 21st century, it's a dumb name. Sonny and Cher. Sorry if I'm listening. Sunny and the Godfather. Sunny on the Godfather. Sunny on the Godfather. Sunny Corleone.

That was also 50 years ago. It's like the most famous movie ever and you were the one who brought it up on the last pod. Fine, but like that's one guy. I'm just saying. So the most famous movie ever, one of the most famous singing duos ever and like an all-star picture on your favorite team right now.

I'm just saying that in the context of the two ends. Here's what I'm not saying. I get that I'm wrong, but I'm saying, think of all the other names with the two ends. Ronnie, Lonnie, Donnie, Bonnie. LeBron's son, who we talk about all the time now. Bronny James, don't call him Brunny James. It's Brony.

Lindsay Vaughn, the two ends, I'm just like, I got it the habit, and I went with it. And I'm like, all right, I'm sorry. Fung. Jesus. It's, Hyphins, again, no one cares that you interpreted how to read the word. Everyone seems to care. You've never freaking heard the word sunny. If you've never heard the name.

There are a million words in the English language that don't sound like the way they are spelled. That is not what we're discussing. If we wanted to get into that, the English language is a mess, and most words are spelled bizarrely. It's the fact that you have never heard the word sunny spoken out loud in your life.

I've heard Sunny. The name, Sunny, there's only five. Six, Sunny Vaccaro. Whatever is deal with. It's just whatever, man. I haven't just been getting shit on for the last 24 hours. I have to, now I'm going to out myself all morning. This is Tuesday.

All morning, I have just been getting roasted at my group text with my friends. My friends, shout out Mike and Jackson. It feels like you really buried the lead on this. I do do this a lot. In fact, my friend Jackson has in his phone a list of names I have pronounced wrong. And the list goes back to high school. This list is like 15 years old. And it's just a collection of words and names that I've said wrong.

And if you would like, I will take you through it a little journey of all the other things I've gotten wrong. And like, it's the family guy joke of like, I've only seen it written. I love this. This is so good. Study added to the end of the list. What else you got? Arboretum, I pronounced the Arboretum. It's like British. It's like the British.

Yeah, aluminum. Yeah, aluminum. Oh, I still get this back wrong. It's simultaneously. Just say simultaneously. Simultaneously. What are you talking about? I don't know. Simutaneously.

When he first started playing for Indiana, I called him Victor Aladipo. They never let me go on that one. Oladipo. Wow. This was like his first seat. I mean, that's, I'm going to let that one go.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, this one's worse. I called him you Darviche for like, I don't know, way too long after he came. That one stuck. I don't know why. I heard it wrong. You're like already 80 years old. Like, everyone jokes at like,

their dads can't pronounce the word Chipotle. Like that's already where you're in the Chipotle range already. His rookie year I kept calling him Kauwi Leonard. But that stuck around. Yeah, Kauai. But here's my question. Did you know his name was Kauai Leonard or had you never heard it before? I had only seen it written.

Yes. That's the thing. A lot of like, like they gave me a lot of crap. Giotis. I said Jameas Winston. Like Jameas Winston said to James. But he was at Florida State. But that one I haven't answered to because it was 2014, 2015, the World Cup that year.

Hamas Rodriguez was this Colombian soccer player, then got, I think, Real Madrid. I think Swip that he played really well and then Real Madrid purchased his contract. But like, Hamas, and I'm like, now there's a college football player named J-A-M-E-I-S. I actually think that's a good argument. Like I think just James is an uncommon name

in seeing the E-I-S. I could see how you got to Jameas. I think the Sunny thing is worse than all of these because all of these other words are very niche words or uncommon names. There are very famous Sunnis in the world And Sunny is like a common name for people, for pets. Sunny is in the culture.

All right, well, I'll keep going because there's other ones that I should have got that say all the time that I still got wrong. The Yankees, oh, I still get this all the time. I don't know the answer. Geo or Echella or Earsala. I don't know. He was the Yankees third basin for like two full years. And I just can never get that right.

The Blue Jays had a guy named Kavan. I call him Kavan Bigeo. It's Kavan. That one's a weird name. But that one's Kristen. I call him Christian Yilich, but it's Yelich. Yelich. I call him Yelich.

Yeel it. You just make it up stuff now. I just, I don't know, man. The worst one is, I called it slate of hand because it's spelled like weight, like slate spelled like weight. So I call it slate of hand. Wow.

That was bad. As you guys know, haphazard, half hazard. Yeah, this is the one I called you on. You thought it was half, like the pH. The theme is that I spelled in the way they're spelled. That's so good. Accent related things.

I can't say dolphin or golf penalty. That's all right. I rhyme with the Pouncy Brothers. And now Sonny, Sonny. Sonny. Oh, my God. All time moment. All time hyphids moment.

I would like you every email, ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. If you two have words you've mispronounced that you'd only seen written. And I would like to thank Carissa for all the vitriol I received. I would like to think Eritriol. Tell me it's vitriol. I'll never come back to the show. I'll never come back. You guys should do that at some point.

We're just going to gaslight you on everything now. Also, like, look, if you're fine. years old and you didn't know how to pronounce a certain word, not a big deal. We want you over 20 years old. DK mispronounced. He called it myopia like 20 minutes ago. I let that slide. Okay, how's it pronounced? Isn't it myopia? I don't know. I don't say that word nor have I ever really. I mean, look, no one is saying, I'm not saying certainly that I get all the words correct. I just, this was a very particular, hilarious one. My gut says it's myopia. Myopia just sounds a little like Boston.

Let's look it up. But there's always a friend in an argument that when they join your side, you feel like you lost. Like there's someone that, like, it's an exception to proof of rule. There's someone that if they're on your side in a specific argument, you're like, oh, well, that's bad that you agree with me. You know what I mean? Totally. If you're never, if you're like having like an argument with like your, you know, your partner or someone and then your one friend who like is, I don't know. It's myopia.

What did I say? You said myopia. You said myopia. No, you said myopia. No, I'm kidding. Well, it's myopia. Whoever said that is correct. I got, you said biopia, D.

I got in a huge argument with the best man in my wedding back in college. You guys have met him, Chris. One night in college, you know, a few drinks had been had. And I said the word, he said, he said impotent. And I said, you mean impotent. And he was like, no, dude, it's impotent. And we went like 10 rounds on that. And the next morning, he woke up and he was like, hey, man, the second you said impotent,

I knew I was wrong. But his dad's British. think like he was like I think like that's why I say that I don't know there's that's also like omnipotent it looks like omnipotent but it's omnipotent yeah well I hate that because it's like the word is potent yeah it's hard so then you're impot like that's just dumb yeah but there's so many examples of that in the english language it's all fucked up it's like how s-o-n is pronounced son but like it's the two ends but it's just dumb it's like you know why it's like the only reason it's pronounced impotent is that whoever decided the english language five hundred years

ago was like the same thing as Chris and he dug his heels in but he won and gaslit the guy and they just kept it that way. It's like he was wrong though. Anyway, I want to you this email from Carissa. Chrisa. Chrisa says, Carissa, just heard your bit on Sonny versus Sunny.

Thought I'd share some moments where I also said a word. Dude, Bonnie, Bonnie, Bonnie, whatever. We're not disagreeing with you about the weird spelling of the word. It's that you don't know people are named Sunny in real life. It's the only thing that comes up is Sonny Gray and the Godfather,

then like, that's not that much. Sunny and Cher doesn't count? It's just share now. No one talks about freaking Sunny anymore. Also, this is not a good argument. Anyway, Carissa said, I would like to share other times I said a word that I had only read

out loud before. Sorry, I only read before. The first instance was me. And Chris is an AP English student reading the word epitome out loud during class. And she pronounced it as epitome. Yeah. Yeah.

But then she says worse. Then she got to college. She was giving a final presentation in front of a college advanced geography class. And she read the word archipelago out loud. But she pronounced it the way that she thought it was, which was archipelago. That's how it looks. In front of the advanced geography class. Oh, no.

You know what, man. I feel bad. Like that happens to the best. of us. And the English language is impossible. I don't know who this girl is, wherever she is, I hope she's doing well. I remember in high school, you know, you had to read out loud teacher calling people you read out of the book. The word was Missile. And she read Missily for about five straight minutes. She said Missily over and over and over. And everybody felt bad and everyone's been there. So look, Chris, don't feel bad. Okay. We've all been there.

Nobody wants to admit it. But we have. Yeah. Yeah. Email us at ringerfincyfootball.gum.com. you have other things of you or other experience you had where someone read a word out and just got it completely wrong? Archipelago is a hard word. Very specific. I think they talk about that in the Godfather. All right. I learned that wasn't Sweden or Stockholm and archipelago, which I didn't know.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The election of islands. Yes. We also got a lot of emails about butt rock. D.K. Yeah.

genres of rock. Got an email from John. John. But rock refers to mainstream rock released after Nirvana made alt rock mainstream and mainstream rock uncool. Examples include creed,

stain, nickelback, disturb, Metallica's albums from an after load. Cock rock refers to 1980s hair metal acts such as poison, white snake, quiet riot rat. Got it.

Cock rock. I mean, that makes sense. I would venture that that's not how it's understood by a lot of people, but that doesn't matter. I think if that's the definition, then we'll go with that. Well, the email subject line was Cock Rock, which I thought was pretty compelling. Cock Rock.

I got, so I had, I had, I had, I literally had people both tweet me that I was very correct and very incorrect about Blood Rock. Nice. I think there's a lot of disagreement about what that. It's like, you know, how to pronounce Sunny versus Sonny. Just a lot of disagreement. No one knows. Science has been a debate as old as time. Scholars maintain.

Yeah. Speaking of oldest time, we got an email from McKay. McKay. McKay. What's the oldest inside joke? And we were like, probably God telling Abraham, kill your son. And he's like, no, no, no, I was kidding. Whoa.

And then McKay emails in to say, actually, what's funnier about the story of Abraham and Isaac is that when Abraham and Sarah had Isaac, they were both almost 100 years old in the story. And when God told Abraham that Sarah was going to have a child, which they've been trying to do their whole lives. They couldn't. Abraham laughed at God. And in response to the laughter, when Sarah eventually had the baby, God told Abraham to name his son Isaac. Isaac in Hebrew means he laugheth. Wow. Which means God roasted Abraham and then made his son name him the roast. Insects.

The name is the inside joke. That's pretty good. So he literally named the son after an inside joke. Yeah. He laughs. He laugheth. That's a pretty compelling argument for that's the oldest inside joke is Isaac means he laugheth. laugh it

laugh at oh my god all right we got an email from Donovan Donovan Donovan this one's for DK baby there's a bridge in Minnesota

named after Major Dick Bong Major Dick Bong Major Dick Bong who why did that even come I don't remember where we got Major Dick Bong we're talking about dicks and names oh that'll do it the Major Dick Bong Memorial Bridge

connects to Luth, Minnesotaia to Superior Wisconsin. It's formerly known as the Bong Bridge to locals, which I got news for you. The younger locals don't call what do they do on there? Yeah. Dick Bong. Why wouldn't the younger locals call it the Bong Bridge? Well, I feel like they're going to call it the Dick Bong Bridge for like the whole. That's one where you keep the whole name.

Well, I thought you were just going to say they use it to smoke a bunch of wheat. Oh, that too. I think a bridge is a bad place for that though. It's kind of the opposite. Under a bridge? I feel like that's kind of classic, cinematic. Under a bridge. I feel like it's a big bridge. It connects Minnesota to Wisconsin. It's probably a big bridge. I feel like that's common.

People like hang out the derelicks under a bridge, you know? I mean, there's a whole song by the Red Hat Chili Peppers. That's right. Yeah, they're not smoking weed in that song. That's another drug. But yeah. Dude, that's like one of those songs where I'm like, you realize like 15, like I was like eight years old. Like the song's sick and 15 years later.

I'm like, oh, it's the worst day of this guy's life. I get it. Like, wow. It's like my life's falling apart. it's like when you realize that it's sunny not sonny it's weird to write a sad song but then give it like a killer hook

right you know crazy to be like wow like that song is about how he's doing heroin under a bridge and his I think his girlfriend had thrown him a birthday party with all his friends that were there waiting for him and he never went and that like his whole life fell apart and he chose and it's crazy can you imagine writing that

about this personal was like I have to stop all my friends are doing this drug and it's destroying my life and then like can you imagine like seeing eight year old Danny Hyatt If it's being like, I don't want to feel, I don't want to feel. Like I did that, that's like, that must be so weird to like children. Good singing. That was amazing.

I can't sing either. I've actually gone five years of that ever singing on Mike because I know I'm tone deaf. My biggest claim to fame is that I was on the, I was on the Bill Simmons podcast with Flea. Not at the same time, mind you. Flea was on the same episode. That's cool. Yeah. I'm just going to go on my

It's like my epitaph. Didn't we just say that Flea looks like just like Flea and someone emailed to say Flea actually has a doppelganger? I'm trying to remember who it was. Oh. This sounds familiar. Oh, Wayne Rooney. Oh, yeah.

Wayne Rooney does look like Flea. Okay. We also got an email from Brian. Brian. I'm talking about what do punters do all day. Oh, no. Stand by it. That was a good.

common refrain of the week, by the way. A lot of other media podcast outlets were talking about why the hell couldn't the punter kick the ball. Brian says speaking as an expert, a two-year walk-on college punter at Emporia State, which is Division II College of Kansas. Which I think is the perfect

person for this. Division two punter, Kansas. Not a big deal. Only played for two years. Also, the way he wrote this was so funny. Like, he definitely had been on the bomb bridge. It was hilarious. Editing a town was not the biggest fan of the off-season workouts. My roommates were a wide receivers and tight end, so they ate it up, which I thought

was so funny. He says, I'm a big fan of special teams, though, love punting. Never learned how to kick field goals, though. Okay. It says a lot of the practices... Not helping your argument. No, he says a lot of the practices were punting for, oh, he was admitting. He said, a lot of the practices were punting for the first few group sessions. And then the next two hours of practice, we would either snap the football to quarterbacks and drills, spot the ball, carry on the play sheet for starters, but we usually just recorded video with the two club managers for the last hour of practice on top of the announces

box. So you're just making TikToks instead of TikToks. I'm telling you, man. Practices are like four hours long or however long. How many punts can you do? You know what's incredible about it? You know what I think it's funny? I'm not going to kick the whole time. Take away

the context of a football practice. If you just put six dudes and footballs and on a field for two hours, how long would it take dudes to be like, I bet I could make a 25-yard field goal? Like five minutes.

It's almost weird that you could be a punter on a field with nothing to do for half an hour and not trying to kick a field goal. Is this unique? Like, is it only the Texans kicker or is it only a small amount of, sorry, is it only the Texans punter

and maybe a few other punters that don't kick field goals? Or if this happened to any team in the league, would their punter not be able to kick a field goal? I think certainly like a quarter or a third of the punters. would try, but like, I think it's happened. Like there are totally times,

it's happened like a decent amount where the kicker gets hurt. And then they're just like, you know, nothing we can do. I just understand that. Like, why hasn't a special team's coach ever been like, hey, here's a crazy idea, punters. One day a week, kick 50 field goals just in case. So someone emailed

in joking that the conspiracy theory was that the punters pretend they can't because if they could then they would probably lose the jobs. And instead of 64 jobs, it'd be 32. Which is funny. I have a real conspiracy which is deeper, which is I actually think the answer is

coaches at almost every level have no idea how kicking works and none of them want any, like they just, it's magic to them.

And it starts in college where there's a NCAA rules. There's a limit in how many coaches you can have on staff because otherwise Michigan would just like outspent. Yeah, probably the right example.

We just spend more and like how well, so there's like limits on how much you can have. So none of the teams, like Nick Sabin's not wasting one of his limited coaching spots on a kicking coach. So the answer is

they ex, they outsource it and all the coaching, they don't have anyone scout kickers, they don't have anyone coach kickers. They outsource it

to like one guy and one guy basically runs all the kicking and punting in America and like none of the coaches know anything about it. But that doesn't explain why once they get to the NFL

you can't just once a week teach the punter how to kick a field goal. I don't know, they just don't think about it. Urban Meyer, who as weird as he is, won all these championships. What was the strategy?

He went up to the kicker and the Jaguars kicked him and was like, make your kicks, dip shit. That's old school. Also, don't a lot of kickers in college? Aren't they kickers and punters a lot of the time? I don't, I really don't, I'm confused. Also, what punter didn't play soccer?

It's all messed up. I guess it's a false sport. So this is going to sound very ignorant of the rules of like Australia rules, football and rugby and everything. But like in those sports, don't like all the players kick. it a lot. But that's punting, right? Like, that's got to be more kin to punting than field goals. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. So, by the way, so someone threw out that one of the reasons,

uh, the Texans used Dara and Gubolele as their kicker is because Camero Johnson, Cameron Johnson is their punter and he's Australian. Um, so he's never heard of field goals. I don't, so maybe that's not a good argument, but like, what does that mean? I don't know. I looked him up. He looks just like Bill Burr, by the way. Huh. Maybe that's why. I think it's incredible that Dari Ogun-Bawale has been doing

this at practice. But the punter hasn't. It just, I... I feel like Australian rules football. You have to like kick the ball from all over the place. But he plays NFL football now. No, I know, but he used to play Ozzy rules. Do you think now other special teams coaches

around the league are going to be like, hey, we don't want to have to deal with what happened that the Texans there. So maybe we should try to, you know, get our punters acclimated with... Dude, every punter. every punter who did not practice field goals this week is like on notice. They're under the bong bridge. It's the office space.

Like, what do you do here all day? Yeah. So you take the documents down? Well, take the ball. My assistant. My assistant does. You physically walk them down the hall. No, well, my assistant does.

My snapper does that. All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Kai, for, wow, incredible production today from Kai. Just outstanding work. Thank you, Jack.

Thank you, Tucker, everyone behind the scenes. I'm sorry to Sunny and all the Sundays. I'm sorry, it's Sunny Gray in particular. I apologize. What happened, though, during the Yankees games when he was pitching? Like, what, they said his name a bunch, I would imagine. I think I rep- It was the answer.

It was I probably repressed it out of, like, my brain protecting itself for being wrong. Like, I probably just reconded some out of myself. I just, it's inexplicable. You retconned yourself. I must have just came up. If you've blocked the memory, I don't know what happened. I, it's, that's probably the most honest I could be is I lied to myself. Thank you, Lauren.

Thank you, Lincoln Park. I'm just looking at my Googled butt rock anthems. I mean, I think so the email or whatever, the person who's John. Is butt rock a pejorative or no? No, no, no. It's just, I don't think so. Well, maybe a little bit. I mean, but is in it.

The name came from, remember, or according to legend, the name came from like a slogan on a radio station. I was like, nothing but rock. Right. And then they added a T because it was funny. But then when you later do it, everyone else was thinking but rock and then later it just becomes like, oh, this rock is ass. I think it became pejorative. Yeah. Because it's a bunch of bands that suck.

Right now, are you saying Lincoln Park sucks? Because you got to, you got to. No, I. No, I'm just kidding. Say it. Some of these bands suck. Let's be honest. Name names.

And you don't get to do nickel back. Well, let's see here. I'm trying to, I don't know a lot of these, to be honest. Like, I mean, I haven't listened to him. Like, Godsmack. I know there's probably a lot of Godsmack fans out there. Yeah, I bet Abraham was a huge godsmack guy. I just saw this one, 7 Mary 3.

Do you guys remember the song Cumbersome? No. It was like... You have to sing it. 1990, something. Do you think everyone's going to respect me less now that they heard me sing? Really isn't so dead. No.

I think after the sunny thing, that respect is pretty low. Oh, my God. You know what I'm saying, though, where it's like just rapping about like this like pivotal moments of your life or singing about them and just like seven year olds are like, yeah. Nice. Love this. I don't ever want to feel. And you're like, okay. Craig knows it.

I still think it's weird that you're like, I'm going to write a song about the darkest day of my life. But I need it to kind of hit. I need to really bob my head It became one of those songs that like beginning guitarists automatically have to learn Oh really? I think you got to make it hit

Because if that doesn't hit Man what's gonna like you gotta You gotta have to do that all like That's gotta be the one Right because those are gonna be the most You know personal lyrics to you Like stuff that is really important You spend a lot of time on

So if you don't make it kind of bob What's the point? Like my bangor would be like this really embarrassing moment I had where I would I thought Sonny was Sonny and I'm like, everyone would be fun of me. A song about a podcast. Yeah.

The time I was podcasting. That's an heck. Yeah, you should write a song about podcasting, Hyfitts. That'll go well. That's super cool. Has there ever been a song about podcasting? It feels like a boper in a bit. I don't think there has been.

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