The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Most Frustrating Players in Fantasy

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

We power rank the most disappointing and frustrating players in fantasy football after the first three weeks of the season. We finish the show by checking in on DK’s 22 fantasy leagues as well as one of the most contentious Fantasy Court hearings of all time. Power Hour (1:48) DK Fantasy Check-in (35:50) Fantasy Court (43:43) Sign up and compete against us in the Bad QB League on FanDuel here.  Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, everybody. I'm JJ John Gstramski. And I'm Jason Gough, and if you haven't heard, the ringer has gone local. I'm bringing the fire. I'm bringing the rain from the Big Apple with my show, New York, New York. And I'm reping Shy Town with my new show The Full Go on All Things Chicago. We've got episodes three nights a week with all the reaction to the local teams and guests. Plus bonus episodes around all the big games and storylines.

So whether you're uptown, downtown, downtown, in the burbs, or a transplant. Make sure you follow New York, New York, and the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. And today we are doing power hour where we rank something every week. And today we are ranking the fantasy football players who have most disappointed us, failed us, whatever. Frustrated?

Yeah, we're not, yeah, we're not mad, we're just disappointed. Right. We're like parents. Exactly. Well, I'm actually a parent. We just think, you know. No, no big deal. The behavior, you know, we expected more, but it's okay.

It's not like your fault. It's just we, you know, really we should just lower our expectations. That's really what we're talking about here. Yeah, it's like to Peter. Yeah, honestly. I got to tell you, it feels phenomenal if you don't have any expectations for anybody. Yeah, these guys are the guys who you drafted as Globo Gym, but are now average shows. Yeah.

That's the one thing about Dodge Bowl that movie is just like when he's like, yeah, I have no expectations. I'm like, you know, kind of, that's so enticing. It's pretty good. slightly nihilist, I think. None of this matters, why we care, you know. But anyway, without further ado, let's just get into it. Okay, Craig's gonna, you're gonna hear this sound.

When we're done talking about a player, well, the ding will suggest we should stop talking about the player. We'll see if we actually can hold to the power hour, but we're gonna do it. I'm gonna, we're gonna get back on like actually moving on with the timer. I'm back on, we'll see. We're cracking it today. We're doing it.

We're averaging like, like it's every two minutes the timer goes, but we're averaging like two minutes and 35 seconds. Well, these are my rankings today. So we're sticking with it. Okay, so I did the rankings. Listen, part of the interruption wasn't built in a week, okay? It took a while. Okay, so these are my rankings.

So if you think that I have left someone out or ordered them wrong, Craig and D.K. can just yell at me if they think that my rankings are wrong. To clarify, Mr. Hyford, so you've ranked these in order of 1 through 12, not by position in the 1 through 12, like you got it last time. No, I just, I ordered them vaguely and like how disappointed. Jeez. Just, you guys are already tore my list.

to shreds and you have to bring it back up. It's never over. Did you guys see what Stephen A. Smith did today where he ranked like the top five teams in the NFL and left out like the chiefs and the bucks and the bills? Hey, look, it happens. It happens to the best of us. I've definitely done power rankings. No, but that's how you make a list.

You make a list intentionally wrong. That's what I should have done. I should have made it intentionally wrong. Was it off the cuff or was it like a pre-planned list? Oh, they had a graphic at everything. But it's like that's the time I'm in a group chat with my friends and they drop in a list like that. I just write like this, I copy and paste the same sentence and I'm like, uh, the lists are

purposely wrong to create engagement and make you bad. Yeah. And that's why Stephen A. Smith's to go. Anyway, I wish I'd done that. I, my list is perfect. So you guys want to get mad about. So let's just get into it. The most frustrating fantasy player of the 2021 season through three weeks is number one,

I got Alan Robinson. Wow. Bears receiver. Again, he's got 86 receiving yards this year. That ranks 108th among all. players tied with Austin Hooper. I was just looking up, I was trying to look up where he ranks out, where Alan Robinson ranks and the PPR ranks.

The page I was on went to 100 and he had to click on to the next page and I still couldn't find him. He's at, he is right now the ride with the wide receiver 66. He's tied with Freddie Swain of the Seahawks. Wow. Where'd you guys draft Freddie Swain this year? He wasn't on my top targets last 24.6 PPR. What is happening?

this can't be right right I saw a stat that last week he had 33% target share so 33% of the targets went to him 29% of his passes were deemed catchable really tough for Alan Robinson this is the worst it's ever been

and he's had a lot of shitty quarterbacks he's at rock bot it's like the darkest before the dawn and the funniest part was ESPN does these articles behind their paywall where they just ask like the beat writers with the team like what's going on with this guy and the Bears writer Jeff Dickerson wrote I wish I could tell fantasy managers

relying on Robinson that brighter days are on the horizon, but I don't know that to be true. Wow. And I literally read that and I just thought about the vampire song from Sarah Marshall, getting very hard to believe the things will get better. Oh, that's what this episode is. Yeah, it's the vampire song. It's the vampire song, guys. So I think this is the correct number one overall ranking here for the most frustrating

player. I mean, can you imagine everyone just like, we're discussing the team, the Fields comes up and Fields is obviously bad last week. and everyone's just like, wow, that was the worst game plan I've ever seen for my head coach. Like that's, you know, it's just, it's not much hope. And yeah, so tough for Alan Robinson. And if you have him, uh, I would touch up on Sarah Marshall in your vampire songs. Okay.

Number two, the second most frustrating fantasy player through three weeks. I got to AJ Brown for the Titans. Yeah. Because he had, he had even more hyped than Alan Robinson around it. And I think honestly, for good reason, he's a really, good player. However, and Craig, I think you said this last week. It's like he's one of the more boom-bust guys in fantasy.

It feels like, you know, he's a big play threat. The Titans' offense is a little bit hit and miss here and there. I don't know. Do you guys feel that it's going to get better? Obviously, right now he's got the injury that he's dealing with, the hamstring injury. And he's week to week with that. That's the thing. It's not only does he have two fantasy, sorry, six fantasy points in the last two weeks,

but now he's got the week-to-week hamstring where any given, like, because he came out of the game after, I don't know how many, five steps or whatever it was, but he got you the point one points. But now it's like that could happen at any given week. He could pull up in the first quarter and goose egg you. He could play a whole game and then you get the, oh, like he's not 100%. He was like a decoy. It's the most annoying thing, the week-to-week hamstring with your star receiver on top of the,

did you just kind of get the jokes on you, the Titans offense isn't that good anymore? It's kind of, it's really honestly a huge gut check looking at the rankings right now. because I haven't really done this. I haven't looked through and individually seen like, oh yeah, this is who is ahead of this guy. This is who is ahead of this guy. I'm still like more focused on

snap rate and all this stuff. Freddie Swain is also above A.J. Brown on the total PBR list. A.J. Brown is exactly four spots below, Alan Robinson. Some players of note that are, that have scored more PBR points than AJ Brown this year include

Deonté Harris from the Saints. Oh my God. Khalif Raymond from the Lions. Did you know that he was on Lions? Cues Watkins. Van Jefferson are the Jets. Do you want me to keep going? Kendrick Bourne.

Braxton Berrios. Jalen Rager. I think the frustrating part, the reason this is so much worse is that if you had A.G. Brown, you might have had a shot at D.K. McCaff or Justin Jefferson. And you don't have them. So that sucks.

Or Keenan Allen. Can I just say one quick thing here? I don't know what it's been, but for some reason I've never been quite into A.G. Brown. There's always been something about him. It's like on paper. it all checks out. He's too muscular.

Too big? If you look at Mike Williams first three seasons and A.J. Brown's first three seasons, they're not like crazy different. Just want to throw it out there. So wait, this means that you're going to love A.J. Brown because you love Mike Williams.

I want it known that I was not the one who disrespected the timer. I ended this perfectly on time. Who cares? You know what I mean? I'm just saying A.J. Brown's had he had 50 catches 1,000 yards in his first season,

and then he had 1,000 yards again in his second season, he had 11 touchdowns. Like Mike Williams had 1,000 yards. He had 10 touchdowns. Like, AJ Brown is not tearing the cover off the ball, as they say in baseball. I think we're all so excited about what he could be more than what he actually has been.

There are guys like that where you're just wishcasting, and I think AJ Brown fell into that category this year. However, hold on. Are we, so are we out on AJ Brown for the rest of the year? Are we just bummed out about how it's gone so far? No, I don't think you should be. We're just bummed. The second week two, he dropped like four balls

that would have been like 60 yards, and then week three got hurt immediately. And if he's healthy, it'll probably be all right. Don't freak out. Okay. Number three, I'm just bundling these two. Like, should I mention other streaming services since we work for a streaming service?

I probably shouldn't. How about progressive insurance? Just bundle. Yeah, we're just going to bundle. Quick bundle. Okay, anyway, I'm bundling three and four here. I don't know what that's going to do at a timer. But the third and fourth most frustrating fantasy players,

I'm pairing Trey Sermin and Brandon and are you together. Just the 49ers, the Shanhan experience, is the third and fourth most frustrating thing. You could make the case this is number one. The reason I did not was because the first two guys were drafted so much higher. That was my main reason. These guys literally didn't even play. That's the thing.

In week one. So if you drafted Trey Sermon, you're like, okay, you know what? He might not have the job immediately. Like, you know, it might be a little tough in the beginning. Well, let me tell you, inactive in week one, week two, he gets one carry in the fourth quarter and gets a concussion on that one carry. And then week three, when he was literally just forced into the starting job because the other 49er running backs were all hurt.

And he's the only one that's been healthy on the team for like more than two weeks. Kyle Shanhan decides to give Kyle Eusecheck to, but you got to listen to Sunday in football. Chris Collinsworth just gushing about Kyle Eusecheck while Tray Sermon had negative yards at halftime, like negative. He got bailed out by touchdown in the fourth quarter. But if you have Tray Sermon, you were probably watching negative yardage in the first half. He didn't even get the first carry of the game. The first carry of the game went to.

Kyle used check. Like, are you kidding? Do you guys want to know why Kyle Shanahan is in the burn book and why, like the perfect distillation of why you're bundling two 49ers players here today? I saw this from Eric Branch, uh, from the San Francisco Chronicle. Per Elias, the 49ers are the first team since the NFL merger. So since 1970 to have 11 different players score the first 11 touchdowns of a season. 11 and none of those players, mind you.

Are George Kittle. We're George Kittal. 11 different fucking players. This is the like definition of a fantasy nightmare. This is a nightmare. Oh, I thought you were going to say, this is the dumbest team in the league right now. I thought that's the dumbest fantasy team in the league. Well, I mean, that's pretty much what I'm saying.

Yes. It's just so annoying because it's like you cannot, you can never get, like you literally can't guess where production's coming next. who like who could they throw out there next is this week trin canon time so jacques patrick i'm curious you guys think because i think serban i actually think is legit like not going to get work anytime soon and i'm ready to like abandon ship i you could think will be all right so i you again zero catches zero yards week one one catch six yards week two 40 yards in a touchdown week three now you got to figure out if you're going to play them or not i think i i actually i think brayna yuk will very quickly be back in this lineup and like back to being good like

Here's the deal about Ayuk that I like. He's really good. He's really good. Like, Ayuk is, he was incredible as a rookie. The sermon thing, I'm like, he's a low enough draft pick, and he's been so hit or miss so far that it's like I could see Shanahan just being like, look, we're going to do other shit right here. We're not going to you. He hasn't been good enough to be like, they need to play this guy. Like, Ayuk to me is so good that they sort of need to play him.

And I think that's going to, like, bear out ultimately. And then he's going to continue to play. I mean, last week, he played 60 snaps. He ran a route on 44 out of 48 dropbacks at six targets. So ultimately, at the end of the day, I think this is like the beginning of like Ayuk time. I don't know if I necessarily trust him this week, per se. But I think he's trending in the direction of being like the guy that we thought he was going to be. Okay.

Number five, most frustrating fantasy football player of 2021 so far is Jonathan Taylor, Colts running back. This one snuck up on me. I like didn't really, when I saw this, I was like, really? And then I kind of dug into his numbers. And I was like, damn, yeah, he really has been disappointing. He is the RB 29. He is one spot ahead of Mike Davis. That's God, that's so funny.

I was literally going to say, if you look at their numbers. Wow. He is, he kind of just is Mike Davis. He gets like 15 touches a game, and Corderole Patterson is the same as Naim Hines. And it's just like a split. And he's like, whatever. It's a really good comparison. It's a very similar situation.

So I kind of laid this out on the last episode, but the problem is with Taylor's, He's got a Naheem Hines issue in terms of like what they're doing, their roles in this team. Nahim Hines is the long, down and distance guy. He's a two-minute guy that eliminates him from a lot of the very good past catching opportunities. And then the other problem, which I think is probably going to change. So like the Nihim Hines thing's not going away. The other issue he's having that will go away is touchdowns.

He's not scoring touchdowns, even though he should be scoring touchdowns because he's getting opportunities to score touchdown. I saw this. Actually, Ian Hart is from PFF tweeted this. Most players with most touches without a touchdown this year, High Fitz, your guy, Funk Davis, 50, Jonathan Taylor, 50. So they both touch ball 50 times having scored. That's going to change.

We're going to see more production. So I wouldn't worry too much. Again, it's like it's an expectations thing. I think Jonathan Taylor, at least the way they're using him now, and at least the way the Colts are playing now. Like if the Colts suddenly get really good and start winning games and having to like bleed out the clock in the second half, or whatever, Jonathan Taylor's role is going to change.

But at this pace, you got Jonathan Taylor kind of in that, like, high-end RB2 range. It's really just like Josh Jacobs kind of deal. And so, you know, that's definitely not what we were hoping from for him. But I think it's going to change. I think he's going to get better. He's going to find the end zone. And I'm not panicking on him yet. If I told you before the season, Mike Davis would just be Jonathan Taylor through three weeks.

I think everyone would be like, wow, Danny was really smart. Seriously. Dude, it's all about setting expectations, hyphen. You got to use this stat more. Said it'd be as good as the guy's ahead of him. He scored more than Mike Davis. That is, sorry, Mike Davis has scored more than him. That's pretty great.

Yeah, there you go. Everyone's really happy with me for that one. Okay. All right. Number six most disappointing fantasy football players so far. It's Robert Woods. Yeah. RIP to us.

Yeah. This is tough because I was definitely on Stafford. I was definitely on Cup. But ultimately, I decided to focus a lot on Robert Woods in the preseason. It's like, because we were just basically like, look, it's going to be one of these, one of these guys are both of these guys. I don't know how to rank them. And I'm talking about Cup or Woods. And so far it's been Cup is like this superstar freak.

And Robert Woods has just been a forgotten soul on this offense. He's not really getting any of the hardest. You don't get breakfast with Matthew Stafford. I know. I didn't think it's going to be that big of a deal that they're not like best friends by now. But here's the deal. You know, and honestly, like, I don't know this is not going to happen. but Cooper Cup is on pace for 28 touchdowns this year.

This would be an all-time NFL record. Like, he's going to have, if he keeps this pace up, he's going to set every record in the receiver book, it seems like, you know, in terms of one season. I don't really think that's going to happen. I think we're going to see more regression to the mean in terms of the way that they spread the ball out in this offense. I think that Robert Woods, he's still running a lot of routes.

I think he's run routes on 88% of the team's dropout so far. That's like a really good rate. He's still out there. You know, he's still doing his job. It's not like they're completely phasing him out of the offense. It's just, for whatever reason, Stafford is just, like, freaking in love with Cup because of this breakfast dates they're having.

So, Craig, you said Robert Woods was Cinderella. And so is this, do we have to context here? This is the part of Cinderella where she just got announced she can't come to the ball and all the sisters are dancing. A Cooper Cup is the step sister dancing. But Robert Woods is about to get invited and it's the by-low window? Yeah, we're just halfway through the story. We're just halfway through the fairy tale right now.

Listen, Cinderella had great underlying stats, just as all the, just as Robert Woods did. She ran a lot of routes. I really do think. Yeah, her target rate, really high. You will be out of the woods soon for Bobby. Wow. Okay. Number seven most disappointing fantasy players so far, it's Calvin Ridley, receiver for the Falcons.

Yeah. Quiet because it's like, he hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been good. Like, he hasn't been 15 yards yet. he if you have him, you probably, you very well took him in like the second round or spent a lot of money on him. He just hasn't been that guy for you. He's not an alpha receiver.

He's, I mean, he hasn't, I don't think he's had a memorable play. He's had like one touchdown. He hasn't had a lot of points. It just, the whole Falcons offense has jumbled.

Again, Mike Davis, 50 touches, no scores. Calvin Ridley has one touchdown. Kyle Pitts has in a double digits. Like the whole Falcons offense is just like looking for answers. Yeah, It's like really the opposite of what we thought Arthur Smith would do to this team.

It's almost like he's disrupted where they were. Hyphitz, can I throw a stat at you? I was shocked to see this. I was actually shocked. The Falcons right now, after three weeks, are dead last in offensive DVOA for football outsiders. That's worse than the Bears. That's worse than the Jets. That's worse than the Jaguars.

The worst. For context with DVOA is it's like the best offensive stat we have. It's context. So it's like five yards and third and ten is useless, but five yards and third and three is great. So if you actually adjust for context, the Falcons are the worst offense, that's great to hear.

The one stat on that note, D.K, why it's probably suck. I was kind of looking into this. So the deep routes for the Falcons are gone, or the deep throws of the Falcons are gone, and the intermediate throws are gone. Matt Ryan, his average pass, is traveling less than every single quarterback's

average pass in the NFL except Andy Dalton. Matt Ryan ranks 30 second in the distance of his average pass. So they're just not throwing downfield at all. So if that comes back, then Calvin Ridley will come back. I can't say I'm, I don't want to be like, oh, panic, sell Calvin Ridley or trade him or but like. No, don't. Hold on. He's getting ridiculous target number still.

And it's all about, you're right, Hyatt, it's the deep ball. He's seeing six yards of target this year. He saw 10 last year. Like, that's the difference. It'll come back. It has to. It'll come back. They're not the worst offense.

They will improve. No. Yeah, they're definitely. I think they're going to, I think they're going to, I mean, look, there's only one way to go, and that's up. Yeah. Stefan Diggs is the same way. Number eight most disappointing fantasy player. This guy could be higher or lower, but I have him

at eight. Clyde, Edward Sillare, for the Chiefs. Yeah. He had a good week three. Having said that, he still fumbled. So even though he had 100 yards on the dot, he still is somehow making his job security a thing. And then also, he, I mean, he's like, the,

Clyde is the real life SpongeBob meme where Squidward is in the window looking at SpongeBob and Patrick playing outside. like SpongeBob is Tyree Kill and Patrick is Travis Kelsey and week one is just they're like 50 points combined and they're like yay!

And then Clyde is like inside just watching them. He has like eight points. Clyde it three points in week two with like four two carries for the Chiefs. How do you even do that? Yeah.

You fumble. You fumble. He's just not a special player. Is he a cell high because he like had a decent game right now? Like are you just like trying to pot him off on anybody that'll take him at this point? Well, it depends

how much you trust week to week stats. Like if you look at, we've been saying underlying numbers a lot, but if you look at the underlying numbers of week three, that's pretty good. He like became like, I think the big problem with Clyde

was like he was essentially Jonathan Taylor. He would just get first and second down work. That's kind of it. Last week it kind of changed. He played in the two minute drill. He played on like the third and long stuff. He like took over for Darrell Williams in that regard.

So maybe the tides are turning and for whatever reason Clyde is going to become more of a three-down type of guy. I think you hold on him, but he's certainly not exciting. He's somehow incredibly unexciting on the Chiefs. Yeah. So, yeah, I think the thing that we were so excited about when he got taken in the first round, you're attached to Patrick Mahomes, you're in a Andy Reed offense,

which in the past has produced really high-end numbers for running backs because they use them in the passing game. But also the sample size is really small of those offenses with Patrick Mahomes, right? Like, he's basically Kareem Hunt had an amazing season, but Cream Hunt is clearly a very good, awesome runner. And with Mahomes, honestly, like, he's pushing the ball downfield so much. It's like he doesn't even really care about Clyde. Like, Clyde has five targets in three games.

He's five targets in three games. He's the ugly step-sister in the offense. God. I mean, and honestly, look, this could change, because I think that your point is correct that he's playing in the situations that typically are, like, very advantageous for picking up some receiving work. But, like, just so far, man. it's just not been there.

The receiving work has not been there. He hasn't been a good enough runner to make up for it. He's not Jonathan Taylor, clearly. So I really don't know where I stand on this. I'm almost just like sell because I think the upside isn't really there. But also I think that he's going to have a more solid floor going forward than we've seen in the first couple weeks. He just did the only thing we didn't expect, which is he's boring. It is weird.

Cardinal sin. Number nine. Number nine, most frustrating. fantasy player through three weeks disappointing. I got Robert Tunyon. Yeah. I don't know about this. I keep quibble with the ranking.

But basically it's like he has a one point game and then a touchdown and then he has another one point game. So this is what he did last year too. By the time you're starting him in your lineups, he'd already scored like eight touchdowns. You're like, okay, I guess I finally have to start him. But then like the next week he doesn't have a catch. It's a gamble. It's like tight end is the most touchdown dependent position.

and Tunyon is the most tight at touchdown dependent, I can't speak. He's the most touchdown dependent player at a touchdown dependent position. And it's, you drafted him just high enough. You probably don't want to cut him. And he is Aaron Rogers. You don't want to cut him. But like, man, kind of sucks. You know, that whole like 7 to 11 range in the tight ends this year where you drafted

them, they're all not working out. Noah Fant's been really kind of disappointing. the both Patriots tight ends haven't done anything. The only guy who's been okay is Higby and he even had a down week to week. So it's kind of just like the non-top three tight ends. I'll just lump into Pat's tight ends too. I have both of them because we've had three weeks

of the Johnny Smith Hunter Henry experience. So three weeks, that's six performances. Neither of them more than seven points. There's no touchdowns. I mean, they're unreliable, they're disappointing and we all wanted them to be this redux of like Gronk and Hernandez. Right.

And like, they suck. the whole offense sucks. The paths are forcing running 12 personnel. They're essentially forcing themselves to have both these tight ends on the field because they paid so much for them. But apparently, they're way better offensively when only one is on the field.

But they're kind of refusing to do that because I think they were like, well, hey, I spent this money. It's like when you buy a shirt you hate that was too much money and you're like, well, I got to wear it. This shirt. I wish I wasn't wearing this fucking shirt.

Look, Johnny Smith, over the option. I didn't pay for those two fucking tight ends. Is she coming over this way? Man, I think, so a lot of people thought Johnny Smith was going to be the guy this year because he's more athletic. He's more dynamic. He's good at the yards after the catch thing. None of this is really bearing out because his route rate is really bad.

I mean, in last week. So again, this is from Joanne McFarland, PFF does an awesome utilization report. 70%. So Hunter Henry ran around on 70% of Mac Jones's dropbacks. That's a pretty good number. Johnny Smith was. was blocking on 74% of his dropbacks. He only ran a route on 26% of the dropbacks.

That's not going to cut it. That's like droppable numbers. Now, his numbers were slightly higher in Weeks 1 and 2, 45, and then 40% route rate, but this is still very bad route rate. He's basically turned into a blocker slash fullback for them. I mean, I think you can drop Johnny Smith. Yeah, he's droppable at this point.

I mean, if that changes dramatically in the future, like go back and pick him up. but he's not going to be a big enough part of his passing game to be worth it's like worse than this it's worse than this tunion situation who you know you're hoping for uh you're hoping for a touchdown but at least he has like you know much higher rate of routes like last week drubuttonian ran a route on 74% of his dropback on aaron roger's dropback so yeah it's rough man it's very rough dk i'm an aristotle guy you are what you repeatedly do if he's blocking more than half the time he's a he's a blocking tight end you should have blocking tight ends on your fantasy team it's very

simple okay cut chad of smith all right next up I'll tell you this guy I should have above the tight ends. But the 10th most frustrating, disappointing fantasy players so far, Miles Sanders, Eagles running back. I mean, can you imagine going into Monday football and you need however many points from Miles Sanders to win you your week? And then the Eagles give their entire backfield three carries combined. I have a team right now that has Miles Sanders and Clyde Edwards-Aler as my two running backs.

Got to tell you, it's not great, High Fitz. I'm not loving it. I saw a stat from PFR, pro football reference. I think, so they said, okay, he said, the Eagles ran just three running plays for running backs on Sunday night football. Sorry, Monday night football. That was the fewest carries by a team's running back in any game in our database. Ever.

Well, because ever. That actually makes sense. Because didn't the Bucks only run like four times against the Saints last year, and that was like the lowest ever? Well, of course it makes sense. he had two carries, and their options are one and zero. Well, so to be clear, Jaylen Hertz carried the ball a few times, but like in terms of running back carries, three, fewest ever, all time. That database goes back very far.

Ridiculous. Ridiculous. That's not winning football. I mean, I hate to say it because I love when teams pass a lot, but you got to run more than that. You got to do it. Establish that run. So I actually think Miles Sanders is like a bylaw, though, because there's like a 90% chance the person who has him regats drafting him. and doesn't really want him anymore.

But Eagles played well against the Falcons at week one. Sanders did fine. Then the 49th defense is a tough matchup for them and that was an ugly game. And then this was like a disaster game on national television. The person who has them probably watch the game and wants to pull their hair out.

But like I kind of think Mount Sinners will be fine going forward. He's a perfectly serviceable RB2 and if you can get him for cheap, I would. Or they play the Chiefs, then the Panthers, then the Bucks. If you really want to be like a savvy guy, wait those three games, let him suck

even more, double down him sucking, and then by low, because the next games after that are the Raiders, the lions, and the charges. I don't know. I definitely want to be a savvy guy, Craig. So maybe I'm going to do that. Welcome to Savvy Guy Corner. By the way, I kind of, so week one, I was actually pretty excited about what Nick Siriani was going to bring to the Eagles.

They did this really interesting, you know, strategy where basically they did what I think is good. They got Jalen Hertz into a rhythm. They made, they designed a bunch of easy plays. for him. He averaged like 3.4 yards, A dot, so that was not great. But they were getting easy layup throws for him. Since then, that's up in the case. Like in week two, I think he was A dot went up to like 11 or something. So it was like much more difficult. And this, he's making like these sideline bombs. And by the way, his deep ball down the sideline, those, those passes tend to really fall off at the end. He threw a, he threw a pass early in the game that just died on the end and they picked it off easily.

They need to be getting more layup passes for him. And the other thing I saw that really makes me nervous about Siriani. Zero plays with pre-snap motion last night. That's wild. Zero. Especially with the oncology. Make it easier on your offense.

Make it easier, make it harder on the defense. But like the, it's more than that because obviously pre-stap motion is like trendy because it confuses the defense or it changes their rules. Yeah,

but it's also wild because the quarterbacks who don't like pre-snap motion are like Peyton Manning, Ben Rathesberger, Eli, old quarterbacks who can't move who want everything static because they don't, don't, like, pre-step motion creates information,

but, like, the older quarterbacks don't need the information. Like, I already know what's up. Don't worry about it. Jalen Hertz is the exact kind of quarterback that you want pre-stant motion with. Yeah. So it makes extra no sense. Listen, here's why I like pre-snap motion. Well, there's many reasons, but one of them is that the guy run across the formation at the

snap, you're going to slow down the pass rusher on the edge just ever so slightly if he has to respect the idea that you're going to hand it off. dude the cowboys were teeing off on jalen hurst you guys see uh micha maca parsons like he was he was just exploding off the edge just do some things schematically to help out your offense help out your quarterback make it slightly more difficult on the defense like they have to be thinking a little bit instead of just pinning their ears back you got a rookie pass rusher who's just blowing up the edge every play come on i mean it's just pissed me off yeah it's like yeah pretty much it's not like rocket science. It's like the defense's job

it changes based on how people align. So if at the last second before the play you change where the players are, everyone's job is changing. That's why. You don't want to confuse people. It's like, it's not, it's a thinking defense is a slow defense. Exactly. Siriani was busy on custom ink.com printing out beat Dallas t-shirts.

Oh my God. Was that an awkward photo? He's a donkey. He's a donkey. We don't have to get into Mike McCarthy, not calling time out before halftime. Okay. Last player who I, frustrated. most disappointing player through three weeks. I got Mike Davis.

Yeah. I'm going to own it. I actually don't have a better stat for you than what D.K. said like off the top, which is he has the most touches, you're tied with Jonathan Taylor for the most touches in the NFL that a touchdown. Tough. Obviously, I have radicalized many people listening to this podcast for Mike Davis. I will just say this. The breakdown is like kind of what we wanted.

Like he's got two thirds of the snaps, two thirds of the touch. I'm going to push back on this one because I don't really think Mike Davis has been frustrating. I think the expectations, you just put the expectations on him too high. He's been basically what we thought. He's basically been what we thought he'd be. He's the RB 23 right now. He's averaging 11.5 points a game. He's not killing you.

I mean, he's definitely not helping you win. No. But like, he's scored more points than Saquan Barkley, Zach Moss, Miles Sanders, Jonathan Taylor, Devin Singletary, Miles Gaskin, James White, like the list, Clyde Edwards Allaire, Damien Harris. He scored more points than all these guys. No, I think he has been,

he has performed exactly as his draft position suggested, which was not the point of High Fitz's recommendation. I want to just own it because I think that's fair. I guess what I'm trying to say is, like, High Fitz, it's been frustrating for you because you thought he was going to be more than everyone else. I want to own it because a lot of people who listens to Mike Davis. It's, he, the wrong. is aligning with what I had hoped, which is that it's, he's like Miles Sanders.

It's like, is it, though? I thought the whole point of this was that Mike Davis was this super late round guy who was going to get every touch. He's the only guy in Atlanta. That's not happening at all. That's kind of what I'm saying. Coral Patterson is looks better, and that is very upset. Yeah, but Mike's not getting the touches we want.

He's getting 53% of the rushing attempts. That is exactly the opposite of what we expected. We thought he was going to get 100. yeah, that sucks. I'm sorry. I mean, I think this counts. I think it counts for high fits specifically. Mike Davis isn't frustrating to me

because I was fading him all off season. But also because the Falcon's offense has been brutal. As D.K. said, they're the worst offense in football so far. Yeah. That's crazy to me. Did not see. Arthur Smith, Arthur Smith doing a killer job with Cordarel, though.

The 30-year-old, the 30-year-old former, not even receiver, the 30-year-old former returner is their best running back. said that, like, again, we can't, I will say this, we can't sit here and say, well, Jonathan Taylor's 50 touches without a touchdown, that's going to change. Mike Davis will score soon, and then he'll have 16 points. It's going to happen.

He's going to score soon. Don't worry. This is our fantasy pod. He'll score soon. Just you wait. Look, I put a month. He's going to score. Okay. So that's our top, our top 12.

Can I give you guys a nomination, an honorable mention? Yeah. He was too low in, like, EDP. Like, nobody drafted him super high, so it didn't really matter. However, he was a darling as he is every year. McCull Hardman is officially like, we're done.

I'm out. I'm out. We are no longer going to talk about him anymore. The leap year never came. Everybody else, Pringle, Robinson, now they got Josh Gordon. This guy was taken before Marvin Jones, Marquise Brown, a bunch of other dudes. We can all collectively. We have been disappointed enough.

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant in the actual draft. He was taken before D.K. Metcalfe in the draft, by the way. Yeah, oh, my God. That's insane. Can you imagine D. Metcalf on the fucking Chiefs. Oh my God. That's actually nuts.

You can play that with... Wow, that's insane. I know, you can play that with... You can play that with a lot of players, but... Sure, sure, sure. Still, ridiculous. I'm looking at the draft right now. So, A.J. Brown went 51.

Miko Hardman went 56 to the Chiefs. White Side... Our Sega White Side went 57. Next pick to the Eagles. Paris Campbell, 59 to the Colts. Andy Isabella went 62. to the Cardinals and then 64.

D.K. McCaff, Seahawks, baby. You think Andrew Luck would have retired if D.K. McK. McHughes no. He's like, I gotta hang out with my best friend here and do this. That wouldn't have played a factor. He would have been like, crap. I was concerned about D.K. McGaff. I didn't really understand why he ran three routes in college, and I didn't really think running three routes for the first two years you were in the NFL would work either. I'm pretty sure he was my wife. Cere 2 that year. I still loved him. He's so good, man.

I've definitely missed, listen, I've definitely missed on some guys. D.K. McCaff was not one of my misses. Shocking. D.K. was like, I think D.K. is going to be good. Okay. Yeah. What's the nominative determination? I had to, because of science, because of psychology, I had to like D.K. It's kind of like a Buster only is like the MLB reporter. And like there's only one player, like, act in like his entire life who plays baseball.

It's been named Buster and it's Buster Posey. And he was like, I love this guy. It's going to be great. Buster. Buster Posey's like incredible. I'm waiting for a Craig in the NFL. There was a running back on the Bucks years ago named Craig Lumpkin. But Craig was spelled K-R-E-G-G. He pronounced Craig.

There was Dave Craig, was the Seahawks quarterback back in the day, but his spelled as K, too. There was Roger Craig. Roger Craig, that's another one. But I need a first name, Craig. That's my list of the most frustrating fantasy players. So Alan Robinson, AJ Brown,

Trey Sermon, Brandon Ayuk, which is really Kyle Shannon. Jonathan Taylor, Robert Woods, Calvin Reddy, Clyde, Edwards, Eil-Lair, Robert Tunyon, Miles Sanders, John Smith, Hunter, Henry, and, unfortunately, my guy, my beloved, Mike Davis. Those are the most frustrating players.

All right, let's get to DK's All-22. We had a bunch of people email us when I know the record of DK's 22 leagues. This is a good name. Thank you to everyone emailed us. We had like seven different people be like, you should call it the All-22. It's a great name.

Thank you everyone who suggested that. So again, D-Ks in 22 leagues. D-K, what was, how'd you do in your 22 leagues this week? It was a rough week in the D-K. all 22. Not going to lie. So, first of all, for some context, I started like five dynasty leagues this year. And my strategy almost always is like the productive struggle where you take a bunch of rookies, you punt the first like year or whatever, you try and get a bunch of picks.

Those teams are clearly not doing well. However, some of my good teams definitely struggled too. It was a weird week because like Deontre Hopkins, who I've got, A.J. Brown, like a lot of these injuries, definitely some bad weeks. I finished slightly under 500. I don't remember the exact tally, but it was like, was it 22? So I think I was like three games under 500.

I can't even remember. But yeah, it was not a great week. I respect you for not just lying. Here's the deal. I mean, I'm 3 in 3 leagues, so I'm excited about that. Nice. I'm like, and then some... Statistically likely.

Some of my leagues, I know. Let's be honest. Like, there is some luck involved in fantasy. You know, like the broken clock is right a couple times a day, thing. The broken clock is three and oh. Yeah, those are the

broken clock teams. I'm trying to remember. So there's a couple other teams that have like split standings on four or two and two of those. Yeah. Little hit,

a little hit, a little miss. Do you name your teams? I know we talked about how you hate other people naming the teams, but you don't name any. I have one team that I've,

that I called Kelly's heroes, like the old movie from the 70s or 80s or whatever. You guys probably don't remember that one. You have one. It's like a classic. You guys got to look that up. Don't turn this on me.

You have, named one of your 22 fantasy teams? So the rest are just Danny Kelly's team? No, they're just Danny Kelly. Actually, that's false. In the Ringer Fantasy Football League, Craig is a real piece of shit, and he named his team Danny Kelly's team. That was incredible.

Because he knows how much I hate the naming thing. Should I change my team? I meant to do that. And so I changed mine to DK's actual real team. I bet you every single person in the Ringer League, every time they play me genuinely think they're playing you. It's fucking annoying. Yeah, at the end of the season, no one's going to remember that Craig was in the league.

I don't care. It's a good bit. It's incredible. I got a question. I want to dive in a little bit deeper here, D.K. What do you say on an average week, you spend more time setting and preparing your 22 fantasy lineups or parenting your child? It's like a wash. It's a wash. Actually, to be honest with you, like a lot of my teams are Dynasty leagues.

And so there's not a ton of like waiver-wire stuff to do. Yeah, but setting lineups takes like three seconds. It's fine. It's not that big of a deal. I don't actually spend a ton of time on waivers. I just get so tired of doing it, it's just like, I don't know, you know what I mean? Especially in Dynasty League

where the waiver wire is just really barren. I don't spend a ton of time doing that. I probably should. Do you have a set time every, like, do you get up at like, you know, whatever? Is it like, oh, from 8 to 9 a.m. on Sunday mornings is when I go through all 22 teams and make sure all the lineups are correct?

No, that's when I'm doing green rooms with you guys. Oh, no, that's 9 to 10. Yeah, like when do you do it while I'm talking to you guys? Yeah, I want to know those too. When do you set 22 lineups? And if there's a late breaking news thing that affects your teams, like, do you know which team? Saturday night usually?

I think Saturday night I'm usually looking at it. By the way, my kid goes to bed really early. So there's plenty of time for me to not be trying to do it while I should be parenting Craig. D.K. Pores himself a heavy glass of scotch, sits down in front of the fire and just sets every line. No, but a real question. Let's say that, like, Justin Jefferson was expected to play all week. And, like, it's 1250.

And Adam Schaefter's like, JK, he's not playing today. And you have, like, a lot of him. But, like, do you know which team should? you have Justin Jefferson on or do you have to go through 22 teams in check? Yeah, vaguely. I kind of remember. Here's the deal. Like, I know my dynasty leagues pretty well.

My season long leagues and then like the, for instance, like the Scott Fishbowl, I accidentally started Deontay Johnson this week, even though he was out. So if that tells you anything, like sometimes they do lose track. There's too many leagues. I am in too many leagues. I admit that. I'm glad. Here we go.

D.K., what would be a better use of your time and money? A babysitter for Calvin? or an intern to handle all your leagues. Wow. Whoa. Oh, man. You guys are really just like throwing it at me here. First of all, I already do pay for a babysitter.

It's called daycare, and it's not cheap. You need a fantasy daycare. No, fuck that. We need the government to give us daycare. We need the government to give us interns. You guys, could you help me with my lineups? Like, come on. You know, I had an idea when I was, like, in college

that I wanted to start a company where I manage really rich people's fantasy leagues and take a chunk of their winnings. If a CEO is forced to be in some league with a bunch of other bigwigs and they just have no time to do it, I manage it for them and I get like 20%, 15% of the winnings. What do you guys think? I mean, I think that yeah, it's brilliant.

And you're uniquely situated with an incredible like nationally known fantasy football podcast. You could do it. Fantasy daycare. Trademark. Verbal trademark. I have a lot of thoughts on that. But yeah,

Okay, I mean, we got Universal Daycare. I think we should just get Universal on fantasy lineup. Okay. Fantasy care? Can we vote on that? Anyway, next week, really hoping a better... I'm looking for some better output for my big muslinie boys, all my favorite teams. Let's go.

All 22. Let's do it. Okay, thank you everyone emails. We'll check in next week. We got some more emails. I just want to read... Last week we got an email from... We got an email from Vermont, and then I called him Collinators.

And then we were doing a green room and he was commenting and explaining that, like, I actually triggered memories. Apparently he was bullied as a kid by people called him kilometers. And I just wanted to read the email that he sent. It seemed jovial though. It seems like... I know, but he just says... So this is for Miles, obviously. He says, my name is Miles Greenspoon. And though I live in America,

I spent two summers, says sleepaway camp in Canada. And at eight years old, on my first every day of camp, nearly 500 miles from home, one of my bunkmates yelled, your name's Miles? We don't have Miles in Canada. Your name's kilometers. I love that classic. Kids definitely get sad about that. Like,

kid too. Well, he's like, I emphatically replied that my name is not kilometers. My name is Miles Greenspoon. And a different kid heard my last name and said Greenwood, more like Purple Fork. Oh. And everyone else proceeded to spend the entire summer calling me Kilometers Purple Fork. Purple Fork is like honestly that kid, the perfect combination of color and utensil put together, like making fun of Greenspoon.

Purple Fork is the perfect name. Craig is just like lauding this bully. He's just thinking this bully is the best. thing. Well, like, imagine if he tried, he said, like, yellow knife. It just doesn't hit. Purple Fork. He nailed it. Purple Fork is funny. I mean, he probably should have said yellow knife because isn't that like a city in Alaska or Canada or something? Yellow knife? I'm going to look that up while you guys are talking. Go ahead and continue. You mean yellow stone? I just made that up. Yes, I've heard of yellow stone hyfe. It's Jesus Christ. Sorry. Also, I'd be bad if he thought Yellowstone was in Alaska. Yellowknife is the capital city and largest community in the Northwest Territories, Canada.

suck it. No shit. What the hell? I just made that out. That was incredible. You think a Canadian would have gone with yellow knife. I thought you were so wrong. Wow. Anyway. Dad knowledge. That's crazy. Dad knowledge. I have such extensive geography knowledge. Honestly, Kilo. Kilo is kind of a cool nickname. Yeah. Kilo. Yeah. Kilo. That's what you got to do. That's how you beat bullies.

You run with it. I like that. Let's call this guy Kilo from now on. Okay. Hey, Miles, go by Kilo. Yeah, go by Kee. It's kind of badass. Kilo. Okay. Yeah, Okay, fantasy court. All right. It's from HG. I write to you today

under the most grim of circumstances. Our league has gone through many battles with our commissioner, let's call him P, in which he has used the gray area, his gray area discretion to expand the reach of his power.

Jesus. First came Maidgate where an alleged maid stole the winnings from that year from the death so the winner me went unpaid. Maidgate.

What? Maidgate. Incredible. A maid stole the winnings? Like the literal cash? Put it at a fucking bank, guy. Alleged that story. You ever heard of Venmo? Damn. Several more instances of changing league settings and trade vetoes when convenient. Never sat right with the league, but we remained loyal.

Enter Sunday. The commissioner proposed a trade to someone last Monday involving a three-player swap. Dalvin, Julio Jones, Stafford for Sequin, Cooper Cup, and like Evans. On Sunday, the trade was still open, and the person accepted the commissioner's offer during the Sunday football game, only to be immediately overridden by the commissioner. So the commissioner proposed that it was accepted and then the commissioner vetoed it. The league policy on trades to this point was that any trade is auto processed by the commissioner,

barring obvious collusion. The commissioner has the sole power. to judge what collusion is. And in that instance, use the veto. By leaving his trade offer open through the weekend and then overriding because of a personal preference, commissioner has directly violated our

sacred agreement. This has left us in a league-wide civil war. Some are voting for censure. Some are voting for outright removal. What is censure you and me? Censure is when you like criticize somebody. It's like an official, like you got to slap on the wrist. Yeah, it's an

expression of strong disapproval or harsh criticism. But in parliamentary procedure it is debatable you can vote on it to censure the president. I mean, we got to do more than that. Also, some sought to push through the trade even though the commissioner

bullied the trade partner into withdrawing the offer altogether. Sounds like a cover-up. So in short, me and my brothers are in a bit of a mess right now. Do you think you give us some insights here on the pod as to how to proceed in the situation and general advice and how to deal with a tyrannical commissioner. I mean, look, I was all in favor of removing the commissioner the minute I heard that he didn't

pay someone the money when they won the league. Like, get him out of here. What if it was stolen, though? I mean, dude, that's why you keep it in a fucking bank or, like, keep it electronic. I don't know. Quick spark notes here. So he proposed a trade. The guy accepted.

And then the next day was like, JK, I don't want to do it anymore. So he proposed it on Monday. And then the games happened on Sunday. and he, the guy accepted it on Sunday night. So to be clear, like, there's an added element here. There's this squishy commissioner. And then there's the fact of like he accepted a trade that was left open and then the games were being played. Now, no one, it's Cooper Cup went off.

And then the guy took the trade. It was like, wow, the guy offered me Cooper Cup. I should take this trade. Right. And Dalvin didn't play. Exactly. He'll play like shit. Having said that, if anyone should know not to leave a trade open during the window,

it's the commissioner. Well, when was the trade accepted? So he proposed it last Monday Like six days later. He accepted it after Sunday night. Is that what we're saying? After all the games? Or during the games.

I followed up for the discovery process. So the commissioner was like, cool, I will take this trade midday. And then after the games was like, just kidding, I don't want to do it anymore? No, no, no, no. It was proposed on Monday after week two and then accepted on Sunday of week three. And then he revoked it when? And then like immediately. Like he was like, nope, vetoed.

trade. Like during the game, like this will not happen. Here's the deal. Like, I don't like the idea. I don't like the fact that this guy didn't pay out. Like when you, I feel like when you, when you're, D.K's really stuck on his payment thing. You're stuck on prior court case. He won the league and he, and no one ever paid him. Like, you just gave all this money to this guy at the beginning of the year and then he just kept it or it was stolen. Maybe he kept it for a day or two. Like it was stolen. Whatever. I don't believe that. However, I don't, I don't, I'm just stuck on Maidgate.

However, I do agree, like, accepting a trade, number one, during games or whatever, in this exact scenario is a bit weird. But also, like, if the trade's been on the table for, like, a week, typically I would just reach out to that person and be like, hey, still want to do this and then accept it. You know what I mean? If it's been out there for, like, a while, I do kind of think that's, like, a little bit of, I don't know what the word is. like, well, I think that's, it's clearly sketchy. You're saying like the statute of the, of limitations on a trade. It's clearly sketchy to like accept the trade midday. But that's, there's two questions here.

One is, is it like kosher to accept the trade that's proposed during game day? Which generally speaking, that's like a real gray area. Obviously, if like that, you know, if one of the, if Cooper Cup tours ACL in that and that gets accepted, like that changes things. Oh, yeah, okay. So that's, yeah, that's kind of what I mean. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? since this trade was sent.

But to me, this is a completely, that's a whole conversation. There's a second conversation here, which is about the abuse of power, which is much, this is about the reach of the executive office, which is a far more expansive power. And like,

the commissioner doesn't, if the commissioner is the person rejecting the trade, he can't unilaterally make that decision. The obvious thing to do is, hey, guys, this trade was accepted during game day. That's not really,

how we do things, but it's my trade that I offered, so I'm going to put it to a poll because I'm not a dictator. We got to hold the commissioner to a higher standard than everyone else. This is what I do as the commissioner in my league. If two people want to make a trade and I see it pending on Yahoo, I text them individually and I say, hey, Logan, do you want to trade these three guys to Brian? And he says yes. And then I go to Brian. Say, hey, Brian, do you want to trade these three guys to Logan? He says yes. Then I tell the league and I hit accept. Technically, The commissioner was just saying no. The commissioner proposed this trade.

Six days later, this guy accepts the trade. So it's pending on Yahoo. So then he would go to the guy and say, hey, do you want to do this trade? That guy clearly said yes because he accepted it. And then he went back to himself, the commissioner and said, do I want to go through this trade? And he said no.

What's the purpose, though, of you go into those guys? To make sure that, like, they didn't click a wrong button. Everything's normal. Okay, exactly it. That's the underlying logic. It's not the, hey, last chance, do you want to undo this? No, you agreed on it.

that you're just doing your due diligence to say you didn't buy a pack a beer for the guy and you didn't like someone was logged in a computer the commissioner offered it obviously he wanted to do it it's regret you can't use a formal process that's entrusted to you as a public servant you can't then turn around and use it for personal gain what he talked about it was it was six days later

like what if he had texted this guy to trade offer open for a week it's football that's stupid when does the trade go through I would argue you have until then to veto it. The trade goes through immediately. I'm stunned that you think it could. You're basically saying a commissioner can veto a trade they made? I bet you it doesn't go through until Tuesday.

The waits till the week is over for it to go through. To me, the length of time is irrelevant. If a commissioner offers you a trade and you accept it, the commissioner can't veto it if the history of the veto is solely for collusion. I guess I don't agree with that rule then. I think anybody should be allowed to veto a trade before it goes through if they don't want it. You shouldn't be able to catch somebody. in a bad trade because the game started

and Dalvin Cook didn't play and Cup went off and you go, great. Now this trade no longer means what it used to have meant six days ago. Like, I don't think that's fair. Like the commissioner can be like, yeah, I said that six days ago. I don't want to do it anymore. Just because you said yes, who gives a shit? I think it's totally fine for him to say,

I no longer want to do this trade. I get what you're saying there's gray area because the games were being played. But the fact that this commissioner has like the history of like weird decisions means it's very simple. You should be transparent and bring this to the group. be like, hey, here's why I did this. You owe people an explanation.

You can't veto your own trade that you offered because you changed your mind. I mean, I guess. I mean, yeah, I guess I would have texted the group being like, hey, guys, I sent this six days ago. I no longer want to do this trade. I guess here's the thing. We always talk about why you should veto a trade

because we're always like, if you're, like, I don't think it should be up to the masses because ultimately people are like, just your job is to run your own team. Your job is like the only, like in real sports, trades never get fucking vetoed. Like the other teams don't get to vetoed. The only thing got vetoed is Chris Paul

because the, League own the Hornets and like that was weird. That's it. It's collusion. However, Craig here is basically saying that like there's another one, which is, if you check in and someone changed their mind because they got roasted the group chat, they can just undo it. I think that's bullshit. If you get, you shouldn't get roasted by your friends in the group chat and get to change your mind. If this was not the commissioner, if it was two other people and the guy accepted to trade six days after it was proposed during Sunday. And that guy went to the commissioner and was like, hey, I don't, I no longer want to do this.

and the commissioner was like, let me check in with both people. One says, yeah, I still want to do this. The other says, no, I don't want to do this. Do you think they should be like, well, that guy clicked accept? So you're screwed, dude. You clicked accept. That's accepting a trade. That's the contract.

Also, by the way, I think it's an important detail in this that the other person, the trade partner of the commissioner, withdrew his trade request. I mean, regardless, he maybe was bullied into it, but he's not fighting this too hard. It's the other guys in the league who are like, this trade has to go through. Saying witch hunt vibes.

You're saying that this is the moment. I think, I think this, this commissioner is a little suspect to me. However, doing something like this six days later, I kind of do kind of understand that. I think that we should probably,

they should probably not push the trade through. Sensure the shit out of this guy. Say one more, one more screw up, pal, and you're out. I'm fine. Senture the shit out of them. But if a trade happens during Sunday football, after six days of sitting on the open market,

I think it makes a little bit of sense to recheck in with the guys and be like, are you still cool with this trade? Yeah, I think it's like etiquette. It's kind of like etiquette to be like, hey, you still feel like you want to do this trade? Yeah, okay, we'll do it. I'm fine with trades at any time

as long as both people in the moment are cool with it. Yeah. Not catching somebody off guard because they forgot. Like, that's stupid. This is ridiculous. Like, my whole point is like, are both people happy with the trade?

If the answer's no, then fucking don't. let it happen. But if you, if this was with you, would you just veto it and then like peace? No, like that's not cool. That's the point. But I think the overarching spirit of this rule,

they should change their rules. They should change the commissioner because they're emailing us being like, fuck this guy. You clearly need to change your commissioner. Maybe get him out of that because he's just vetoing shit on his own when he doesn't like something. But I still think that you should set up a system where anytime a trade is accepted, you have to, the commissioner still has to hit like, I approve. That guy should go to

each person in the moment and say, are you cool with this trade? If they both say yes, then it goes through. Yeah, there's probably just deeper issues. I think bottom line, in my personal opinion, if a trade was sent like a week ago, it's good fantasy etiquette before you accept a trade to go, hey, did you still want to do this trade before you hit accept? A week, like a week later, I think that's, I think that's just good etiquette. And all scenarios, just check in with the two guys, even if a trade's been accepted online. You never know. Somebody could have clicked the wrong thing added the wrong guy, just check in with them. I mean, people might get mad about that, like, as a technicality.

Like, oh, he sent to trade. But, like, I think it's good etiquette. It's polite. Just do it. The letter of the law versus the spirit of the rule. I think this is the spirit of the rule. I'm more focused on the executive. Hyphitz is just like he wants to stop.

Stop. Hypatthus is cut throat. I just have no tolerance for law and order. Yeah. It's going around too much in the water these days. You can do, you can change in the commissioner tools, like how long a trade can last before it expires. Maybe change that so it can't sit there for a week. All right. This is a...

That was the most contentious fantasy card we've ever had. Jesus, the court is split. Well, wait, wait, didn't we not do a good job here? Like, we have to give these people advice. I said censure. I vote for heavy censure. Yeah, the league, the commissioner censured, but the trade is not to be pushed through. I mean, look, if the guy who originally accepted the trade, like, wants to get hardcore about this, that's different. But he withdrew it.

So... That's what I'm saying. All right. Well, that's what, wow, feisty. Okay. That's all we got. That's Wednesday power hour. We'll be back on Friday with some prop bets.

Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to everyone who suggested all 22. Thank you to, uh, do we want to thank them? Kilometers purple fork. Thank you to HG. Yellow, knife. Thank you to yellow knife.

Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, U.B. 40. Ooh, red wine. Red, red, red wine. You know that song, Hyvitz. No. Are you serious?

What? This is like a top 10, like, wedding song. I probably do. I don't know the name of songs. Well, even Hyphets doing that, or even D.K. doing that little jingle, you would have known. You would have recognized it.

Do more of it. Go look it up. Red, red wine. Red, red wine. That's the whole song. Okay, well, then. No, I don't know. Oh, bad.

Goodbye, everyone.