The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the QBs Who Could Go First Overall

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Power Hour! In today’s episode, Ben Solak joins the show for a special preview of ‘The Ringer NFL Draft Show,’ where the guys debate the top two quarterback prospects of the 2024 NFL draft (3:32). Caleb Williams, USC (15:30) Drake Maye, UNC (25:20) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, and Ben Solak Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Today it is power hour. Every week we are power ranking something on Wednesdays during the season. Today, we're going to be power ranking the players who could go first overall. Spoiler, I think there's only two players to rank. So that's... A quick power hour. One, two. Technically, where it's power ranking the quarterbacks who could go number one.

because I guess there's a chance a receiver could go to whatever one in a wild world. Probably not going to happen. So if you started listening to the fantasy football show this year and you have no idea what's happening, every year as the regular season winds down and then eventually regular season ends, we cover the NFL draft baby.

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Yeah. We hash out which players are good, which players are bad, and most importantly, which players are cool because that's kind of all that matters. So, quick programming note, we're still doing the fantasy football show.

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But we're still doing four episodes a week. And then after the regular season ends, we're going to go full tilt on the draft show. We have one for you today, one for you next week, after Christmas doing full tilt draft show. Having said that, the name's going to change. So we never ask you, just subscribe. Just subscribe. Just subscribe. Just subscribe. Like those stars. We're not out here just asking you subscribe every time. But like, we're going to change the name. We don't want you to not find the show because we change the name. So just hit the follow button. Just do it. Yeah, it's not that confusing, right? Every Wednesday we talk about the NFL draft. It's like mean girls. On Wednesdays we wear pink. Boom. Wednesday's draft day.

I think currently we're like three for four on Navy, so we got to work on the same there, but all together. Yeah, that's how it works. Oh, yeah. You look good. Without further ado, I'm going to dive in the NFL draft right now. And there's so much to get to this 24 draft class, maybe the deepest draft for quarterbacks in our lifetime.

We have to start with who's going to go first. In our lifetime? Is that right? In their lifetime, no. I think that we're going to see 3.5 quarterbacks go in the first round. And I think that everyone's going to have a different flavor after the first two. And that's why you're going to see a couple of guys go. I don't think there's a good, I don't think there's such thing as a good, like,

second tier, third tier of quarterbacks. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's either guys that you're willing to draft top 10 or guys who are functionally dart throws. Quarterback is one of those positions where if you really liked a guy, you'd be trained up together. I'd be going nuts. Like, if you're staying at 20 and drafting Kenny Pickett,

ah, you don't really like Kenny Pickett. Like, Kenny Pickett's not actually the sort of prospect you want to be hitching your wagon, too. And so I think it's a strong class. I don't think it's an historically strong class. There's a lot of names, but I think that we often inflate the idea of quarterbacks between pick like 15 and 40 when we're at this stage in the winter. By the time we get to the spring, that's not actually going to look as appealing as it sounds. So, D.K, we've been talking for a while, but like, well, we're going to start talking now.

but the quarterback's presumed it's like Caleb Williams from USC is like the number one guy. And then Drake May from UNC Chapel Hill is like the one B, the two, whatever. We'll get to that. Is it before we even just slice off every other player? Is there anyone that deserves to be maybe in that tier with them? Like Jaden Daniels just won the Heismet at LSU. Is he or anyone else in the conversation or a Drake man, Caleb Williams, like actually just in a tier of their own in the conversation for the first pick? And whoever has the first pick and he's a quarterback should only really look at those two guys seriously.

I think that Jaden Daniels from LSU, he's going to have a chance to break into the top 10. But for me, the top tier and the guys that I'm going to be truly deciding who's going to be the number one overall person on my draft board probably are Caleb Williams and Drake May from North Carolina. So I'd say there's a tier break below those two and then Jaden Daniels will probably be like the second tier. And I still think he has a chance to go on the top 10 just based off of the momentum that he has from a like truly ludicrous season. Like his stats this year are truly just outrageous. Yeah. D.K., is it weird that the presumed top two picks in the draft are not guys that won the Heisman? And the guy that won the Heisman is another quarterback that won't be in the first two picks?

No, I don't think it's that weird. I mean, obviously, there's just a lot of things that go into the Heisman trophy. And a lot of times it's not necessarily a pro-style quarterback or a guy that's going to be considered by NFL teams to be like a top pick. So it's just, I think to me it's, if anything, it's sort of, of like it shows you the disconnect between college and in the pros that's a lot of times these Heisman guys aren't necessarily top picks and the pros. Anyway, Caleb Williams, Craig quarterback of quarter, U.S.C. He did win.

I was going to say, won the Heism. So, yeah. Not, not, then wasn't in the top 10 this year, even though he kind of had better, in some ways you could like a better passerating stuff, which kind of says maybe more about the Heism process. They're kind of mad that he, I mean, maybe he had him not doing interviews at the end of the UCLA game. I don't know, but we can get all that.

Caleb Williams is fascinating, but. Yeah. In the nature of power hour, DK, there's all this nuance and stuff we're going to add to this conversation. Having said that, Caleb Williams or Drake May,

rest of your life, you have to pick right now, go. This is how I look at it. If my team... Man, that doesn't feel like Caleb Williams or Drake may pick one for the rest of your life, go.

That feels like a different answer to a different question. Okay, it's Caleb Williams, and here's why, because if my team, the Seattle Seahawks, had the first overall pick in my heart of hearts,

deep in my soul, I want them to pick Caleb Williams. I think that there's a very strong argument for Drake May to be the top overall pick. Like traditionally speaking, he has he's like a prototype quarterback. Big, strong, big arm, tall, stands in the pocket, athletic. He's like Justin Herbert. And we'll get into this, but I think philosophically there's the discussion is going to be just about styles. Like what kind of quarterback are you looking for?

Do you want a more traditional pocket passer type guy, guy who's going to play on time? Or do you want a guy like Caleb Williams who is just an absolute. maestro, out of structure, you know, playing sandlot football out there, absolutely just a natural, you know, field vision, everything, like all the intangible stuff and playmaking stuff. I think that's what Caleb Williams capsulates. So, I don't know, I still just get more excited when I watch him play football. So, like, Jalen Hertz gets Avengers, Thanos, like, ethered into another dimension and he doesn't exist anymore. And compensatory Eagles get the first pick.

Who do you want Caleb Williams or? I also want Caleb. I would also like to be asked that question again multiple times throughout the process. Totally. Totally. Yeah, we can't. We're not like this is not fixed at all right now. This is just in our.

No, this is the only show we're doing. So it's fun. And that's NFL draft show. See everybody in May after the guys are selected. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, so like. Thank you everyone for producing this.

Lord. Wow. First premature, Lauren. Here's my thing. I feel like we're going to hear. It happens to all of us, normalize it. We'll get to the end of the show. So lack, you know, speaking.

I feel like, through the course of this draft process, we're going to hear like a trillion times. Like, who's better? Caleb Williams or Drake May? Who's the better prospect? Who'll be the better quarterback? And I feel like that's not the right framing for the question.

And I would like to try, as we go through this, to not even pose that question because it's more about, as D.K said, styles. And I feel like what I know, and I don't know as much as you guys know, but I feel like Caleb Williams and Drake May kind of have completely different styles of quarterback. It's almost like, I don't know, people that my girlfriend,

They had an icebreaker. It was like rank your, rank, yeah, exactly. Rank starch is it's like rice, pasta, whatever. And it's like, all right, the answer kind of tells you something about you and like what you value, what you like.

And the quarterback thing, maybe that was a bad example. Craig's laughing. No, I like that. It's just like, I don't know. Keep going.

Yeah. Nice. I think one is potatoes, right? Yeah, but there you go. That says something about Solac. What does that say about him that he likes potatoes? I don't understand. Different life experiences lead you to value different things.

It's a stable. You know, it's versatile. With Williams and May, I feel like picking Williams or May says more about what you value in a quarterback. And I'm curious, like, what or why you value those things. And so, just to set the table here, D.K., I mean, one, do you agree with that? And if so, like, why are Caleb Williams and Drake Bay so different? Yeah, I think, yeah, I kind of alluded to it earlier. But basically, like, when I think about Caleb Williams, I think of, like, he's a natural football player.

Like he is, he's so good out of structure. He has such great field vision. He's so good at improvising and avoiding the rush and buying a little bit more time to get a throw off. He always can find like an extra half beat to either avoid a pass rusher or make a guy miss in the open field and then get a throw off. And by the way, he has an absolutely elite arm. He has a really, really strong arm.

He can make throws off platform. He can make throws. He has a really good, like, strength with his core that he can make throws where he's like twisting and turning. So like the quarterbacking skills that you see with him are absolutely top tier. And then after that is when you get into the things that you can kind of start to pick him apart with

where he's like he doesn't play on time very much. Like in fact, I think his natural state is sort of like running around playing Sandlot football. And that's sort of where you get into the, the styles difference where Drake may more, he is more of a on time play and rhythm. Like hit his back foot, get the ball out.

He can also do things out. structure, which is why I think he's also a really top-level prospect. And he's very athletic. He can move around. But I would say, like, just what I'm talking about, like, sealing and just playmaking elite potential, like, I still see Williams slightly ahead. Well, I have a question about sealing, and we can send this to Ben. I feel like the way these guys play kind of lead you to think that Caleb Williams has the higher ceiling lower floor. Do you believe that, or do you believe Drake May and Caleb Williams have similar ceilings and floors. Yeah, when I think about ceiling in the context of the NFL draft coming from the college

to the pros, it's really, it's, the ceiling is described by what you're physically capable of. And to both May and Williams have very high ceilings, because both them are physically capable of some wild stuff. Like, Caleb Williams' arm is, is better than Drake May's is. He can, he can do more stuff from like weird arm angles and like when he's not connected to the ground, but do not put it in the newspaper that like Drake May has an average arm. That's ludicrous. I was, I was watching Drake May film on a flight this weekend. And he hit a, he hit a 55-yard throw air distance with no hitch. Like he just dug his back foot in the ground, double-cheeked it and went.

Dude, like this guy's got to- double-cheeked it. These guys got a kid. All the power from the cheeks, D.K. Yeah, he's got an incredible arm. Now, Caleb is a more dynamic mover. Again, May's a good mover. Caleb is a more dynamic mover.

And then, again, also talking about things you're capable of. The real area where Caleb's got May soundly beat, in my opinion, is he's very creative. Caleb sees a lot more of the field when he's outside of structure, and he achieves a lot of different throws when he's outside of structure. If you think about these two players and like, all right, what sort of offense do I want to put them in? I can come up with a lot of offensive systems and offensive weaponry where Drake may is better than Caleb Williams. But when we get to that world where the system falls away and the receivers fall away, and I just need my quarterback to beat the other guys and need him to beat free rushers and need him to beat coverage rotation.

I need him to win when the play breaks down, he enters that scramble drill mode, goes to the second, half of the play, that's where Caleb's got May. And so that A, puts his ceiling a lot higher. And then B, when we're evaluating him like team agnostic, we don't know which team they're going to, it makes Caleb feel like he has a higher ceiling. Because I think Drake's system right now and his approach right now breaks down a little bit more when there is that free rush or when the offensive line loses quickly, when the first read receiver gets slubbed up, Caleb after that is really, he's a sight to see.

He is a sight to see. And so that gives him that higher ceiling. What about in terms of like recent quarterback prospects, where does it? Where does Caleb Williams and Drake May kind of sit right now? Like, how would you compare both of them to somebody like Trevor Lawrence coming out of college?

Trevor's a tricky one. I don't like, like Trevor was always a weird prospect because he was ordained. It's like the prince that was promised. Yeah, years before. And then also he played in like such a college system that he's a hard guy to compare guys to.

I would say that like I, you know, Joe Burrell was like a bona fide lock number one overall pick. Trevor Lawrence was a bona fide lock number one overall pick. I think both of these guys are that caliber prospect. I think if you put May in a different class

If you put him in a class with like, obviously the Kenny Pickett class from a couple years ago, I think we put him in like the Kyler Murray class. Like I think he be the guy who goes one. I think both of these players are that caliber prospect. Both dudes are capable. Like what CJ Strouds is up for the Texans this year where he just hits and all of a sudden, bang. The Texans go from like, I wonder if they'll figure this out in three years. Like, dude, the Texans might make the playoffs now.

Both of these guys are capable of doing that for their teams. They have that level of impact. DK, do you think like these guys might have gone first over Bryce Young and Z. he just dragged last year, like both their, or maybe I guess. I think it's pretty much a given, and this was talked about last year, that Caleb Williams would have gone first over anybody last year.

I don't know if May had really come on, like quickly enough or had gotten to that level at that point, but I think he is at that level now. So, like, when I think about it, the way that Craig framed it, I think right now I would probably have, like, Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow as sort of, like, the top tier of guys that I've evaluated over the last five, six years.

And then from there you go to Justin Herberts and, you know, obviously May and Williams. And I think he's right in that tier. Like so like maybe second tier, but I still think very elite, you know, first overall type of prospect. You know what I mean? Like when I'm making my draft board or when teams are putting their draft boards together, like the top ranked guy on their board. I think they definitely fit that category. And, you know, obviously there's a lot of teams that are jockeying right now for the chance to draft these guys. So, yeah.

So I want to dive into Caleb Williams a little bit first because he's more famous and I think slightly more interesting. Also, shout out to Dan Comer here at The Ringer. He's helped us with some research. I just want to give a little bio on Caleb Williams, but I think the thing that I want to frame, because I also think these people are both like interesting people. Caleb Williams has been preparing for this his entire life. Like I kind of like, I can't really stress that enough and I'm fascinated about it honestly. But Caleb Williams, there's a great GQ article by Sam Shuby who used to actually. work at the ringer, but shout of Sam.

Sadd of Sam Shubby. And the Caleb Williams, I guess, told his dad when he was 10 years old that I, if I'm going to be a quarterback, I want to be the greatest quarterback ever. And his dad was like, all right, bet. And just like, rearrange their whole life to just make Caleb Williams step on a D1 quarterback and then a D1 quarterback to the NFL. And like, this is literally the culmination of something that they just read. And I'm talking, so Caleb Williams, he went to high school at Gonzaga, college prep. That is a 25-minute walk from where I live in Washington, D.C.

It is like almost next to the Capitol building in the center of Washington, D.C. It's like a big deal, powerful high school. And not only did they put Caleb Williams at that high school for his football career, but eventually because of D.C. traffic, it became like an hour long drive from to go to school and back and forth each way. So they just got him an apartment next to the school and he, like, lived there alone when he was like 14 years old. In high school. Wow. Yeah. And his dad was like, not alone, but like he was alone a lot.

And like just all for that. And I'm taught and then he went to college at Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley just because Lincoln Riley sent Baker to number one and Kyler Murray to number one. So he's like, I'm going to go to Lincoln Riley. And then finally, fans are channing like, we want Caleb. And they put him in his first carry goes 66 yards for, 66 yards for a touchdown. And then he goes to USC and he goes to USC. He goes to USC wins the Heisman. But like I just won.

I'm just fascinated with this idea of this guy who maybe to give you an idea of how bad like they want it. Do you know, you know scandal the show scandal like Olivia Pope and scandal? she's like this DC fixer. 100%. His parents hired... Yeah, I haven't actually seen it either. His parents hired the woman, what's her name?

It's Judy Smith hired her who's the inspiration for Olivia Pope and scandal. This woman, she works at a crisis communications firm in D.C. They hired her to teach Kayla Williams how to do interviews. Like, that is the level

just so he could go to college. Like, that's the level. I kind of hate all this. I kind of think this is terrible vibes across the board. No, this is like... Russell Wilson vibes. This is exactly what his dad is.

I was thinking Russell a little bit, DK. It's like building the sports villain character. This is like the guy that everybody likes is going up against and you hope they beat and he actually gets exposed at the end. This is like when I, when Hifitz is talking, I'm like, well, my son's four and a half now. I feel like I need to start getting on it if he's going to be the next messy or something. It feels like he's like Ivan Drago. And it's like everything he's done his entire life is built for this moment.

I will say, I can guarantee you that a big part of the pre-draft process is going to be team sources leaking that they're worried about Caleb Williams off the field demeanor, right? The super involvement of the parents and, you know, your dad kind of managing your whole high school and college career, that's always something that NFL teams bristle at because they don't want to be in a spot where the head coach and the general manager are, you know, getting calls from the player's dad in week five, right? So that's going to be a thing. I'm not commenting on the righteousness and the logic and the philosophy of the thing. It's just going to be a thing. And then Caleb also, when he was playing for USC, just had moments that the NFL is going to feature when he was crying in his mom's arms after a loss. He didn't speak to the media after the UCLA loss.

He's painted his nails. Like, does it matter? Absolutely not. Does it matter to NFL teams? Yep. They live in a different world than we do. And so this is going to be a huge. These stories are going to be a big part of the discourse for Caleb.

The Mina Khimes, who, you know, D.K., you've known for a long time through Rad-Frand of the show. Disease known as Seahawks fandom. Just friend, friend, friend of D-Ks. Real-life friend and friend of the show. Mina-Kimes has the phenomenal rule of quarterbacking, which is every quarterback must either believe in God or believe that they are a God. And you can kind of, you know who's who, right? Trevor Lawrence. Religious guy, Aaron Rogers. Same with podcasting.

I'm at how that goes to podcasters. Yeah. See, who's who. Caleb Williams is like definitely in the beliefs he is a god. camp like he's got like but to solax point like the the amount of nil money like Craig we told him to this earlier a couple months ago Craig made the point Caleb Williams is like the first gen z quarterback like the nil money drives her Mercedes he got this deal with treats uh beats by dray for the entire he got beats for the entire USC team like his website Caleb williams 13.com

which i guess was made by olivia pope from scandal has like a mission statement he also just feels like very vulnerable emotionally which is like very gen z like i think he has a different view of like expressing himself on television, which is not something that past generations have felt comfortable. And famously integrates itself well with 75-year-old general managers. Yes.

That's a good pair. People are in jelly. With old white guys who don't know how to send emails. You're going to say these kids these days, this is like all the boomer guys running NFL teams. Just be like, oh, what is wrong with this generation? Yeah, he's going to be like. You'll Dika.

Well, I wanted to ask, you're 80 years old. Do you, no, I'm kidding. But like, I'm curious, what is your, because this is going to. be a thing. I'm curious, what is your calculation when you're like, Caleb Williams at one point are you like, I kind of like the cockiness and also I don't care. Like you need the confidence and like he plays. I think the reason I bring all this up is the way Caleb Williams is off the field feels like on the field. Caleb Williams is this Gen Z quarterback like he is off the field

kind of unlike any quarterback prospect we've seen with any seriousness. But on the field, it's kind of the whole premise of who he is, which is he is not literally like the criticism if there is one is, he doesn't play on schedule. He doesn't play on rhythm. He's not necessarily running the play that was called. He's not doing what we want him to do at all times. He's not doing what we want. And like it does feel interwoven with his personality.

And I say that because it's, you know, it's what can you do and then what does he have to learn? And like, does any party you wonder if there's a legit criticism to that or it's more like this is the future. Like this is the future of NFL offenses. You need guys that can run a play but also go get a bucket. As with everything, there's a gray area. There's a middle ground on this.

I think when you're from a coach's perspective, when you're designing a scheme and like putting together a game plan and making plays and deciding on plays and practicing those plays and scripting out plays, you want that quarterback to go out and run the plays. Like that's the reason you spend 80 hours a week preparing. You know what I mean? Like it's going to be frustrating for some people,

a lot of coaches, if a guy just goes out and freelances on every second or third play because, you know, we put in all this work. But at the same time, it's like the Mike Tyson quote everyone has a plan to get punched in the face. You need somebody who can improvise when the pass rush just gets through the offensive line.

And offensive lines aren't getting any better. You know what I mean? So you have to have a guy that can move around, make plays out of structure. So it is a great, there's a grayer. There's a middle ground there. I think you have to have both.

I think a lot of teams, bottom line, this is what we've alluded to the whole show, there's going to be some teams that are turned off by his personality. And I don't know if it's going to be enough to not make him the top pick. He's probably almost surely going to be a top third top two or three pick.

But I think there will be some teams that like Drake May more just because of his vanilla, at least relative to what we know right now, his vanilla personality and his ability to play on. The literal vanilla whiteness of I love, I hope these boomer Gen Z like comparisons run

throughout the entire stretch of this draft show that like Caleb Williams is like this like young kid trying to express himself and these like boomer parents don't like that and like it's like the Bill Burr movie on military. On Netflix.

Yeah. Drake May is going to be getting interviewed at the combine and someone's going to just be like casually throw away, be like, what's your favorite TV show? He's going to make it at Seinfeld. And it was going to be like, ah, yeah. Absolutely. That's the one. Yeah.

Caleb Williams is more, he's going to be like into anime and they're going to be like, what's that? I don't understand. I don't know. But the, I get absolutely a hundred of a certain vision this. Yeah. So, okay. What the hell is Minecraft?

No, he operates out of structure. He's expressing himself. Minecraft is literally older than both of these quarterbacks. But the kids these days, you know? I don't know what they're doing. I never know what these kids are doing. Well, Minecraft, the downloads went up during the pandemic and there were all these memes of the children.

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You know what I'm talking about? Run me over, daddy. Yeah. That's how I feel about Drake Bay. Drake May, like, dude, like, knock my teeth in with a shovel, man. Just, just, just run me over the four wheeler. Drake is sick. Dude, he's got an unbelievably live arm. He has an excellent understanding of tempo and space. It's like an air raid style offense. So you have to have that. You have to be willing to just like rip it to an area in the field and expect the receiver is going to get there. He does that. He can throw to contested windows. He can place the ball relative to coverage. Like this is a dude who gets it. He was born to throw football. It's functionally he's got it. May also, when we talk about pocket management and handling pressure is about as mature as you'll

see from a college quarterback, right? It'll be. Two hands on the ball, hitching, you know, working to the empty areas. He looks like he's running the wave drill out there. He's going on bag drills. Like, it's a Tuesday and it's just a coach, you know, kind of hitting him with a pylon. Like he is cool as a cucumber when he's finding space in the pocket. And then when he, when he's taken off his first read dispositionally, he's not a, I go like high to low guy. He's like, I go high to high guy.

Like, oh, you took away the first read. I'm going to go find something on the backside that fit. He's a big game hunter, right? Like, I think you're going to hear a lot of like Drake May is a better processor than Caleb Williams in this disport, in this, this pre-draft process. And I think that is largely true. Caleb does process, but Caleb's a lot of like,

okay, if you're going to blanket it deep, I'm just going to check it down. Like, I've good yak for it. It's like, I'm going to go high to low. May is a lot of like, oh, you know, you rotate the safety to take away the dig. I'm throwing the post. Like, I don't give a hoot, dude. He will shoot the thing. And so dispositionally, I love the way he plays.

It's a mature but still aggressive style of playing. He's reckless at times, yes, but it's just a little you got to shave off the top to kind of get him in that in that, perfect area. And then he has the arm talent to make all the throws. He's the eyes, the quickness to make all of the throws. I don't think he's an incredible athlete, but I think he is a surprising athlete, especially for 6'4. He's a little bit of a loper. He reminds me a lot of Lawrence in terms of how Trevor plays in Jacksonville. May reminds me a lot of that. I know people say Justin Herbert. Herbert, like, I love Herbert and Herbert's got a big arm and everything, but Herbert is a high

to low player. Herbert's willing to go to that checkdown. Herbert's willing to throw underneath. Drake May would like, would like to push the ball down the field. We got to throw the ball. And so he feels a little bit more like Trevor to me where he's like, oh, one-on-one, we're shooting. I love the way he plays. Again, like in a world without Caleb Williams, he is a lock it down, no question, number one overall pick to me in this class. I think having the second overall pick in this class is an absolutely excellent place to be. I think you just pray that whoever the bears take the bears do what the bears do and they mess it up. And then you take the other guy and you just look so smart for just taking the other guy because both these guys are great picks.

May is excellent. TK, you're the comp king and the vibes king. How do you feel about Drake Mae? I think the Trevor Lawrence thing makes so much sense when I think about like how frustrating at times the Jags offense is to watch. When they're on, they're absolutely electric and just so much fun to watch.

But then there's also times where, you know, like, so like I was saying, like there's times where it's like he's just forcing it into coverage. And so when he's talking about that, like the Lawrence May comp really feels right. I think aesthetically, May really reminds me of Herbert. I'm not going to say he's like, you know, obviously an elite quarterback in the NFL like Herbert.

But aesthetically talking, I just like his arm is a howitzer. Like when he steps into a throw, he can absolutely just, it's like a frozen rope, 50 yards down the field. And it's like one of those things where it's like, how physically how did the ball get there? You know what I mean? So he has he has like the most exciting combination of traits in terms of size, arm strength. when he needs to get a like a throw off, he can really like turn on the twitch and like just get rid of it quickly and like really drive a football,

which I love. He doesn't necessarily have it doesn't take him too long to set his feet or reset his feet and throw. He can just like rip it downfield. So I don't know. He like aesthetically, he really reminds me of Herbert, but stylistically like the Trevor Lawrence like a little bit reckless,

throw into coverage, always wanting to push it downfield, a little bit of like a hero ball mentality. that really resonates with me too. Both May and Caleb on just the film I've watched to this point have a play on film where they're throwing a post. That's like 40 plus yards down the field. And it hits the receiver so fast it almost drops it.

He almost drops it. It just gets on them. Where they're making like 40 plus air yard throws. And the receivers are just like, holy smokes, have this get here. But the pace that both these guys can put on the ball is gnarly. It's fun to watch. Yeah.

the other thing, the other difference between them we haven't hit. I think their styles are pretty different, but they both have huge yards. But they're, D.K., you're the height king. Drake Bay has, like, kind of prototypical height. I don't know if you. Yes. That kind of prototypical size is why. He's six foot four.

And he's listed at 230 pounds. I think weight is kind of fake in college. We'll see it's way to fake at the combine too. He looks, he looks, but it's thick, six foot four. Caleb Williams, I don't know how much of this is, but like Caleb Williams, all that scrambling, all they're creating out of the pocket. It's kind of like the short quarterback energy, right? Russell Wilson, when he was younger,

Kyler Murray, like the short guys can't necessarily see over the line. They kind of run around the pocket. Right. They use your sight windows to throw. Caleb Williams, like, he's only 6 foot one. And, you know, look, it's NFL's like hinge. It's like whatever your listed height is, it's a little silly to just take that for granted.

And so I'm curious, does that move you at all with the Drake May, Caleb Williams thing, more like 10 years from him out? You think he's catfishing that? That's what you're saying? You think he's going to show up? the drafts at 5-11. Yeah. If Caleb Williams was even just six-foot flat

instead of 6-1, would you be like, oh, my gosh, I take Drake May 1st? I think if I was being completely honest, yes, I think the size thing, especially after what we've seen this year, where Stroud, who's got good size, like not quite prototype size,

but like good size, good height, good build overall. Like, he's been great. Anthony Richardson looked really good before he got hurt. And like, then there's Bryce Young, who just like truly, looks tiny out on an NFL field.

And like, helmet big. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think that recency bias is probably going to have a strong impact on me as we go through this process. And yes, I think that is going to be concerned with Caleb Williams.

But the nice part about him is he's built really thick. He's like more like a Russell Wilson build. Yeah. Caleb reminds me a lot of Jalen Hertz in terms of how he's built and how he plays. With that build, Hertz came in at 6-1-22. Ran a 459, 40-yard dash, which is 90th percent out for quarterback. great jumps. I think Caleb is a similarly explosive mover.

And it's going to come in around a similar height weight. Yeah. They play kind of similarly too. I think a lot of what's best in Jalen Hertz is what's best in Caleb Williams. The question always, because Hertz doesn't really throw in middle of the field very often, with your short quarterbacks is how often do they throw in middle of the field. Caleb is, I would describe it as like hot and cold, but that's better than your average short quarterback, right?

Like the Baker's, the Russes, the Hertz is like just avoid the middle of the field like the plague. Caleb can get there and gets there with success. there are reps where it's like, all right, throw the dig, throw the slant, throw the basing, he doesn't. But to me, that's less about his height and more about his process, which is just like, yeah, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like, he's just out there living. To me, that's not a really a height thing.

And to be fair, we talked about this a lot of the draft show or the NFL show last year, so like, but Stephen always brings us up, and I know you do too. Some quarterbacks are like superheroes in the Avengers movies where when you're asked to save a city, sometimes you're going to, like, blow up some cars and break some buildings. and Josh Allen with the bills like they ask him to be a superhero. You know what? He leaves the league in picks, stuff like that.

Right. And like Caleb Williams, hard to overstate how much of a superhero he had to be. The USC defense, there's only 133 teams in the, in FBS Division 1 football.

The USC special teams was literally last, 133rd, did the worst special teams. Yeah. Which is, it's their coach's fault because he's, they don't have a coordinator.

He doesn't exist. He's not real. They don't have a coordinator. And the defense is like a hundred And the defense basically was like, we'll get one stop maybe to a game and the rest of touchdowns. So Caleb has to do everything. And like, I don't know, Lincoln Riley to me was like Ken in the Barbie movie where he's like, oh, your life goes.

Like, no, I'm just beach. I'm just beach. It's like Lincoln Riley, it's like, I'm just offense. Like, it's not a team in USC. And like, so he had to do all these crazy things. And I'm interested how much of that becomes, everyone with his style and stuff. Yeah. When we talk about like the Caleb Williams behavior sort of stuff and like the off field things,

one of the things that I will say from Caleb, having watched him live and then now watching him back on film, he had to be a really resilient player within the 60 minutes of the game because of how often, A, his good drives were immediately responded with the other team's soaring seven, and then B, how often his mistakes, which he made mistakes, were like resoundingly punished, right? Just like immediately hammered by the fact that his supporting gas, and then particularly Comptonbury football, his other units, couldn't kind of prop him up and get him a save. And you see that resiliency over the course of games

where it's just like, they're giving up 49 points to Cal. And he's just like, all right, well, shoot, I guess I'll just score 50 today. You know, like a big Utah gamer. He's pushing them down the field and trying to keep pace after the defense can't stop a third string quarterback. Like, he has a lot of the off-the-field behavior is like, oh, A, how will the locker room relate to him?

Can he lead men? And then B, how is he going to deal in terms of like moments of failure? Like, is he mature enough to keep his head screwed on straight when things get rough. I'm very confident in the second one. Like, I've seen him be resilient enough in a lot of these contexts with a bad defense, a bad special teams.

Then I think, yeah, he can ride the highs and the lows. Do you guys feel like there is a specific team? Like right now the Bears have the first pick because they have the Panthers pick. The Patriots in Arizona have two and three. Do you guys feel like there are correct fits for either of these guys among those top three teams?

I mean, nobody wants to give anybody to the Bears. Let's be honest. Are we saying, are we saying the bear, like the Bears' offense is tricky to figure out because of how much of it is like Fields dependent. Are we saying the Bears keep that coaching staff? Luke Getsy's the O.C. next year. Yeah.

I'd want to, I'd want to put Caleb in that offense just because of the amount of quarterback movement is built into it, right? Like they already did that with Fields. I think that makes more sense for Caleb. I think the Cardinals' offense would look unbelievable with May,

but I think they're going to stay on Kyler. The Patriots offense is impossible to prognosticate because I don't think it's going to be the same new coaches. Yeah, that it was. But honestly, both guys are working out pretty well because the RPO heaviness of it all. Yeah, who else is a chance getting two overall? Oh, the Giants.

No, just kidding, not anymore. We have Tommy DeVita. Basically, just better. Dude, I can't believe it's just... Three-game winning streak, D.K. High fits. Congratulations. I don't even want to talk about it. Is it Washington going to be in the mix?

At this point, they have the fourth pick right now. The enemy offense is May, for sure. Absolutely. Just five in the concept. Let's play some heavy metal. I love it. Throw the ball 50 times a game. Yeah.

Yeah, the Raiders are the Patriots, the Patriots, I would be almost annoying if they just got and wasted one of these. I don't think Caleb Williams is going to New England if Belichick's the guy. That's all I'll say. It'd be hard to see those two relating on a whole lot of things. What are they going to talk about? He's like, why do you paint your nails? I don't get that.

No, actually he's never going to talk to him. He just hated fuck Notre Dame and he painted fuck Utah. He painted like literally FUCK on the left hand and then Utah on the right. And I think Belichick will just be like, nice. We never talked about. that video of Zappi after the Steelers win, going into the locker room. And like, he comes in so elated. He's dapping up O'Brien.

And then he looks over at Belichick and has the most awkward like, this is my father-in-law. I will go over and shake your hand and say, thank you, sir. Dude, it was like a code switch. But for Belichick, it was ridiculous. It was unbelievable. It looked fake. It was just like the key and feel like the Obama, like shaking hands with people and then like dapping. I don't know.

I can't imagine him in the interviews. Also, wait, for Craig, do you remember the NCAA, random pivot? Do you remember the NCAA tournament in 2017? UNC. The Kentucky team had like Deerrin Fox and they had Bam at a bio and they had Malik Monk and they lost to the UNC team and the UNC won the, do you remember Luke May hit this game-winning shot off in Kentucky in the elite eight? They go to the final four.

They beat Gonzaga on the championship. If you don't, it's okay. But anyway, the guy who beat Kentucky at the game winner, that's Luke May. That's Drake May's older brother, hit the game winner in the elite eight. And that blew my mind because I remember Luke May, like, vividly and one, it made me feel old.

But, like, the May, the other thing about May is, like, all his, he's the youngest of four brothers. And Luke May won a championship on the UNC basketball team as, like, an actual player. Like, game winner over three NBA players. Yeah. Well, game winner with three NBA players. his other brother, Colmay,

won a national championship for Florida's baseball team. The other brother, Bo May, is on the UNC basketball team now. The dad was the quarterback for UNC in the 80s for Drake. And now it's Drake May. And I don't know. It's just a lot of older brothers.

Nate Tice, his buddy of ours was talking about how like the older brother theory, if you're just playing your older brothers, but they're all freaking incredible athletes, beating the crap out of you for so long. There's no random like, you know how there's like a random Manning brother who didn't do anything? Is there any, is there any random May brother?

There's no, there's no third Franco. Selling real estate. Wait, James Franco is a brother? Well, he is Dave Franco, but there's a third. Really? Yeah.

How dare you, if it's not no. I didn't, what is the, I believe his name is Tom. Tom Frank, stop it. That's tough. Tom Franco?

Yeah, he's up there. Oh my God, he looks like chat cheap. He looks like made a, another Franco brother. Yeah, DNA is wild My turn. DNA is the original Chat GPT.

That is absolutely ridiculous. All right, we'll see if we could find the Tom Frank. So Beaumet is just on the UNC college basketball team. He hasn't been a big contributor. And then Colmay was a really good high school pitcher. He pitched for Florida. And then he redshirted, didn't appear in any more games,

and kind of never, never made a future in baseball. And you know what? I bet you Caleb Williams is an only child. he feels like one. He is an only child. Is he? Yes. Oh, now we're getting into it.

Now we're starting. The sibling dynamic. How many older brothers do you have? Speaking of which way, I have another one I want to run by you guys. I'll consider this a jump ball. But Drake May is definitely afraid of needles and he doesn't like to take medicine. Don't give him to the chargers. Doesn't like.

Are those related? Like he doesn't like to take medicine that is administered by a. needle or does he not like needles and also like won't take a medicine that's a pill? Yeah. Is this Aaron Rogers situation on our hands? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I don't want to speak for him. Like, is he like anti-tylonal or is he just not like needles? He doesn't like, he does not like needles. The athletic had the story in his high school coach basically was saying how afraid he was to have Drake May run because he didn't want Drake May to get hurt because he was like, who am I without Drake May? And then Drake May did this crazy run and he like, you know, almost got hurt. And he like tried to like jump into the end zone. He got crushed. And his coach was like, if you ever do that again.

I'm going to make you donate blood for two hours. That's like how much he doesn't like needles, which one, I mean, donating blood is a punishment. You know, it's a really great thing for charity. But,

sure. He just doesn't like needles. And, yeah, I don't know if that was interesting. Yeah, we're digging deep. Yeah,

I do not like needles at all. I think that's a stock up for Drake May. I got to get my flu shot, but I got to stare at the wall on the other side of the arm while that happened. So I've stopped over for Drake May not liking needles. We'll do a whole episode on that, on like,

you know, the real, we're going to have therapy as each of these guys. We'll really get into the psycho analysis of Drake May and Caleb Lane. Both of the Drake May, the dad too. Like the dad is the quarterback at UNC in the 80s and he was going to go pro when he got hurt. Like, you know, coach would have put me in. And he gets hired on the staff at UNC. And he gets hired by Mack Brown, who's now the head coach at UNC. And he decommitted from Bama and Drake May went to UNC.

And so both these guys, you know, there's been a little puppeteering. But it's just, I don't know. They're different. I want to come back to the question I kind of asked at the beginning. and I think DK and Sahl, you guys are very different people, but one thing you guys are both really good at is you guys have very weird

specific musical knowledge. And I, like, I wanted to ask you, like, I don't know enough about music to even know the right question, but I wanted to ask you about the importance of being in rhythm as a quarterback. And Caleb Williams,

a scout told this been that one of the criticisms was Caleb Williams has never played in rhythm. And I was curious, like, I don't know, do you look at Caleb Williams as like a jazz player? And then it's like, Drake May,

what kind of instrument or what kind of see guitar player can hop in any band and if so, like, what fear, like what, in a quarterback, like what kind of musician do they want? Tika, I'm going to start with you because age before beauty. I'm just like,

so I think that the generic answer would be, yes, he's like a jazz musician who's up there just improvising for like a 30 minute set. But like in reality, I'm picturing like a guy on a metal guitar, like just going ham for like a full five minute like little, you know, interlude. And just like head bang in.

just kind of like going off on his thing. That's Caleb? Caleb. Caleb. Caleb. Just because he's like so, he's just so, he's so at home out of structure. Like,

I said it earlier. I feel like that's like his, his natural equilibrium is like sliding up and down in the pocket, moving around, escaping guys, like scooting past people.

He even does this little move where he like scoots. Like he like hops to avoid like scoot. Maybe he's a little John Mayerish. You know, John Mayer. A lot is going on wrists, smooth, kind of like closing his eyes and just. Yeah, just going with it.

And he's just like vibes does his own thing. That's actually, I think the literal perfect example of like, because I just can see him just like, you know, like doing this thing, like doing a, and like people are always like, holy shit, this guy can really shred. Like, you know, you just don't really expect it. Yeah. So, yeah, that's Caleb Williams. Okay.

I think the, like, the obvious answer would have been like, you know, a jazz musician or something. but I'm not as well versed on that stuff. There's a there's like a really popular like TikTok, you know, social media musician named Jacob Collier who's like a prodigy guy. He's like 29. He's just like, there's an unbelievable understanding of music. And he has this very famous like short video TikTok,

whatever that went out where he said, there's no such thing as playing a wrong note. You just lack confidence. That's Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams is like, Kevloom's like, in structure reads, there's no such thing as the wrong read. There's no thing that's missing a playing structure.

You just lack confidence. I got this, right? That's, that's where, that's where Caleb's at. There's, there are many times in Caleb so much, I watched it. And I was like, dude, just like, you know, throw the first read. Like, it's not like perfect go, but it's not neat, but like that you're receiving to make a play. And then Caleb would go and just be like, don't worry, hitch, hitch, hitch, hitch,

50 yard bomb. UCLA, he threw a nine ball late. It's not a route you can throw late. He's just 30 yards across the field far hash drop the bucket touchdown. They're down like 21-0. It's not been a good game at all. And he was like, watch this. guys. Like there's no wrong notes. There's no wrong decisions for a guy like Caleb because of what he's so

gifted at doing after the snap. Now, you want your quarterback to be able to play in rhythm. And typically when we talk about playing in rhythm, we talk about how their feet tempo the routes, right? Like, I get the snap. I hit a three-step drop. And as my back foot is hitting and I'm ready to throw, that's right when the receiver is breaking. My footwork has tempoed the route for me. As I'm throwing, I'm throwing with anticipation. You want your quarterback to be able to do that. absolutely. But one, it is non-negotiable in the modern NFL that they can exist without doing that, that they can exist being outside of rhythm, that they, that when the rhythm is broken, they don't shut down. You must be able to do that because we know what it looks like when you

don't. It looks like Jimmy Garapolo, right? Jimmy, three-stepping out, three-step and out, three-step-and-out, three-step-out. It's beautiful. All of a sudden, one thing breaks, and the entire offense falls to pieces, right? Bless his heart. More true of like late 2010, Jimmy. I think now he sees he's growing up a little bit. But you, you, like, it is good to be in rhythm, coaches want their players to be able to play with rhythm. It helps keep an offense structure. It keeps the inflow. It keeps it on schedule.

However, it is more valuable and non-negotiable that a quarterback is able to exist without rhythm. And emphatically, Caleb can do that because that's pretty much all he does and he does at an unbelievable level. God, now I'm trying to think of what we were going to talk about for Drake May. I don't know. Ben, do you got anything? You got any musical comps for Drake May?

Because I'm, like, racking my brain right now. I mean, like, Drake May is who's, who's the? the best musician, right? Like, who's just, who's just the guy who's the best musician? So he's just, like, all time? He's just like Bob Dylan? This is like, when you guys asked me who the Beatles were.

And I was like, one of them named Mark or something. Ringo. Yeah. Ringo. Ringo. Ringo. Ringo. It's, um, what Drake May does is so classically good.

And he's also so naturally gifted, right? And so there's, there is the, uh, you know, I'm, I'm producing good, classic rock. everybody loves this. It appeals to a mass audience. But then also here's this one clip of me on YouTube of like doing a cover of a song from the 80s where I make it sound even cooler than it was before. Like that's Drake where he's classically very gifted. And then he also has like talent on top of talent, oozes talent, improvisationally gifted. That that blend, whatever that musician is to you.

I don't know who it is. That's what that's what Caleb brings. Sting. Sting. I was trying to think that Eric Clap did maybe like one of the great. greatest guitarist of all time, but he has like, he can, he can do like any style, maybe. Honestly, my first thought was Hans Zimmer,

but I thought I'd get bullied for that. Han, no, Han Zimmer was just go in his field. Yeah, I like that, actually. I also, I showed you guys the video from the drummer from Megadeth, and they just played him. He's like this, I think he's like Eastern European, and he just, he's just like a, he seemed like a Buddhist Yoda drummer guy,

but he was like hair down to his waist. And they played him the track without drums for Mr. bright side and they took the drums out, had him listen to it and like, can you make a drum track for this? And he just did it. And they were like, you've never heard this? And he was like, no, I don't know what the song is. I like it, though. And then he just did it. I'm like that. I'm I don't know. I do like those videos. They're doing that a lot with drummers lately. Like, Chad Smith, they put in those videos. Yeah, they're fun. Email us at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you have music comp for Drake May. If you have music comps for Caleb Williams. I love that.

Caleb Williams, we were like, John Mayer, that's good. And then Drake May were like, the greatest musician of all time. Because it's the classical appeal of May. It's like everyone will like him, right? I would say, I would say Taylor Swift, but I'm unwilling to insert myself into Taylor Swift NFL conversations at this time.

That's something I've sworn off. I'm not equipped for that. Craig brought it up and then he had to take a week off the show. He was like, you know, internally suspended and we just had to cover it up and all that. So we'll get a music comp for Drake May. And then should we have people email jargons? What do we want to do?

Well, first of all, you tell people for people listening for the first time who weren't listening to the show last year, what you mean by Jorgians. Oh, yeah. It's good point. So that we, America's favorite game, America's favorite segment, two jargons and a lie. Because frankly, the whole process, this is just insane, this whole thing we do with like the draft. And it's just ridiculous. And there's all. Solek and DK would bring us draft terms and then make Craig and I guess two, like two of them were real.

One was fake. We'd have to guess. Yeah, like a guy missing a phone booth, things like that. Yeah. Like tight skin. Tight skin. Like a cow on ice. Tight skin.

They're not going to be able to build a lot of muscle. They're just like skinny. But then we ran out. And I'm wondering, I feel like it's been so long that maybe we should just bring it back. Well, and then after that, we then pivoted to having people just send in their own jargons

from their own line of work. And so we were like trying to decipher jargon from like some guy who was a, I don't know, a mechanical engineer or something like that. I'll never forget the codes from the hospital where it was like code pink, code brown, code blue,

code orange or whatever. And then we came up with our theories, and then it turns out they had a code for when there's just like a hot lady in the hospital. And then it also turns out that all hospitals have different code colors. And so we had people getting emails being like, code brown's not this, it's that. And we were like, listen, you all need to get your system straight. Yeah. That would be quite the mix up, you know.

That's incredible. Yeah. So much has happened since you left with the, I was thinking we'd just give them two jargons to lie right now, but for the urine classifications, we live. learned. Oh, sure. Here, Salk, I'll give you one live. All right. We got this whole thing about we're going to open a bar where you can like kind of

pee anywhere you want. Oh, I was going to save that for later, but that... Oh. I mean, Hyviz has already mentioned this. So yeah, I'm now aware. Okay. It's called the gentleman's piss club. Yeah. So you can get it on the ground floor. Here me out. Which, yeah. Yeah. Have you ever been in a bar? Give me 10 minutes of your time and I'll sell you. You ever been at a bar and just been like, I don't want to

leave and get up and go to the bathroom. You know, I got the spot. I cannot stress this enough. No. I, when I return from the bathroom, I am counting down in my head as to the next opportunity I get to leave and go to the bathroom. It's called being introverted, fellas. It's called me, please give me a break.

I'd like a bar where the bathroom is a mile away. You just got to walk through a long hallway. Take some time to yourself. Fresh air would be great. If you'd be outdoor walk, that'd be ideal. I think you're, I think you're just describing leaving. the bar to walk home.

Last thing here before we wrap. Oh, you're not doing the P jargon. Oh, I forgot. I forgot about that. Oh, sorry. That's what I knew I was doing something. We found out there's, what, 28 different ways medically to classify types of urine.

This just reminds me of the Tom Herman P chart. You know what I'm talking about? No. Everyone listening should Google Tom Herman P chart. Tom Herman, when he was the head coach of Texas football, put a hydration chart up in the locker room. to show what color your pee should be. So that way you're appropriately hydrated for the Texas summers.

And he classified the pee color by championship hydration levels. Those were the three best pee colors. And then the next one was selfish teammate. Then the next one was, okay, it was selfish teammate. And then further down was blatant disregard for your teammates. You are headed to Area 51, I think it says, which I don't really know what that means. then the bottom one, which is of brown color. I mean, this is the color.

You should go to the doctor if you're in this color. It says just in all caps, you are a bad guy. If he looks like this, you're a bad person going to Tom Herman. I'm surprised that you are a bad guy is worse than you are headed to Area 51, which implies you're an alien or something? I don't know what that means. You're a bad guy. The best thing is just championship level hydration, right?

If your P is crystal clear, you are a champion. I got a champion. This is two actual medical classifications of urine at a lie. Okay. You ready? Yep. Okay. We've got frothy.

We've got Rocky and we've got mucous threads. Frothy is real for sure. Gotta be. Got to be some frost. Had that. Rocky. Been there. Rocky to me.

me implies the presence of kidney stones. Right? It's just a little rocky. It's a little pebbly. Mewcus threads. Mucous is in your throat. How do I get down there? That's nice.

It's highly worrisome. I think mucus threads is the lie. Oh my God. I just love the idea of so like bedside manner as a doctor. How did it get down there? Mucous threads is the lie. Final answer. Lock it in.

Mucous threads is real. Dang. What is it? It's rocky. I just try to be. You threw off the scent though. That was good. Like the kidney stones thing.

At first I was like, that's got to be wrong. And then I thought of kidney stones. I was like, I maybe, whatever. Mucous threads. That's harrowing stuff. I don't even want any more information

about how that could happen to somebody. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, off the urine thing. So I was to sell, by the way,

congrats and be in a dad soon. Yeah. Time that one for the drafts. Woo. Thank you. A late May due date. What incredible. We're very close to being able to have a parent corner on the draft show,

just like Bill and Sal soon. Especially now that their kids are going to college, we have to pick up the torch. It's like, my God. No, I'm very excited. My wife told me yesterday that the baby's big enough to the point where I can out hear things, like from the outside where I can start to like actually hear stuff. So now every time she walks by, just scream go birds at her stomach. And I think that's a good start for kind of where we want, how we want the baby to be viewing the world as we leave.

So yeah, it's just go birds in my house every so often really loudly. I just pictured you like screaming out like play. calls like in West Coats parlance, you know, it's like just getting it, just getting it nailed in. It's like they say they say you want to teach a language, right? You have to do it. Right. Help them be bilingual. Other people, right?

They pick Mandarin, right? They pick like, you know, a language from their, from their history. I pick the West Coast naming system. Obviously, that's the language that's important to know from an early age. You got to start playing like a little bit of Eric Clapton and a little bit of John Mayer. So they get like that improvisational like instinct going on too, you know. Right. I mean, like you, like Craig was talking about at the top, like this, this concerning stuff.

about Drake, Caleb Williams' dad, helping him try to be the best quarterback ever. I, the only thing I do right now is just Google, okay, what are the easiest division one sports to get into? How do we get into the, what schools are there? I'm going to have the best water polo players you've ever seen, man. Nice. I need, it is critical to me that I'm in a stand somewhere where I'm 45 screaming my head off at a NCAA tournament.

I don't care of the sport. That's my only objective. Love that. Waterpolo would be cool. He'd be jacked. Waterpollow guys are strong. Yeah. I'm that.

Whatever. Volleyball, badminton. Sure. Whatever. I'm there. I can't wait. Bad mitten is solid. That feels like feasible.

Not punting? You don't want to raise a kicker or a punter? I don't want my kid on the field. I would love to. I got to go up against like 28-year-old Australians and wherever Brandon Aubrey came from. That feels like a tough, you know, that's a hard thing to get into. I'm looking just very strongly.

Softball. big softball fan. This is what I'm hoping for. Oh, yeah. There you go. Wait, when is your baby due? Late May. And so it'll be a it'll be an NFL draft show. And then that'll pretty much be it for me. I'll hop on the perfectly timed. Well timed. Yeah. Thank you.

You play in a rhythm. Not an accident, right? Oh, no. If you guys met my wife, you would know this bit. We were not going to have a poorly timed baby. That was never going to happen. That's just not, that's not acceptable here. So she's Kyle Shanahan and you're the system quarterback. don't really love that metaphor just from the whole like point and shoot perspective feels a little

on the nose but yeah that's not wrong for being honest that's great all right that's probably all we got all right thank you so like thank you DK thank you Craig

thank you everyone for help on these scenes thank you Tucker thank you Kai for producing this episode thank you Jack thank you Dan Comer for some tremendous help thank everyone for listening but most importantly thank you Lord thank you Don Henley

Oh, the Eagles. Nice. Go birds. Dirty laundry. Great Don Henley song. I'm just like, think of the boys of summer. Yeah. Classic.

I feel like everybody has a place in their life or a time in their life where they like associate that song. You know what I mean? Boys of Summer? Nothing. Nothing coming. No other thoughts on the Eagles. Never heard of squad. Not jogging any memories?

The Eagles went solo. Why did you go Don and not the Eagles? I don't know. No idea. I can't explain my brain. You know me. It's full of weird, useless information. That's how it feels watching half the quarterbacks these days.

I'm like, I can't explain this guy's brain. Also, I went this whole episode. I can't believe that I love Tommy DeVita with all of my heart. Yeah, I can't believe this. Fricking, they found the literal closest quarterback to the stadium and he's going to play them out of Drake Man, Caleb Wards. This is so stupid. And then immediately turn back and do whatever the equivalent of a pumpkin is in Italy.

Just a large tomato. Just done. No chance. Can't wait. What's the deal? Are we actually truly, are you actually excited about this? Or is it just like cope?

Like the hardest. No, this is worst case scenario, I feel. I think that objectively, losing is better and the Giants having his three game. They've beaten every, the Giants have beaten every team ahead of them in the standings. They beat the Cardinals. They beat the Patriots.

They beat Washington twice. All their wins are against the teams hire them in the draft order. It's a disaster. Even there's a third quarterback, which we'll get to in a future episode. Like, we're not going to get these guys. So like, you know what? Just live in the moment and have fun. This is the dumbest, greatest thing ever.

It's like his agent is dressed up for television. Like 1920s Halloween costume of a Capone gangster. And like, I just, this whole thing. His family showed up to the tailgate with a giant banner of his, with his face on it. Look at the chicken cutlets. He lives at home. The Giants should just pivot and be like the Harlem Globetrotters of football. Honestly, just keep going.

They just cook? What's that team? What's that like minor league baseball team? The banana. The Savannah bananas. The Savannah bananas. The Giants should just do that. Dude, they just be the bananas.

They have these dances and like they pitch on stilts and things like that. It's amazing. Oh, dude, they light the bats on fire. It's incredible. I want to go. They're coming to DC. Also, at the same time, not to be me and Craig, but I saw a tweet today. Tommy DeVito.

Four starts. Oh, this is going to be a Kenny Pickett thing. Kenny Pickett. First round picket. 12 starts, six passing touchdowns. I'm going to be like 38 years old, and Kenny Pickett will have been out of the league for 15 years, and people are still going to be tweeting me about how shitty Kenny Pickett was.

I will always remember, like, when I think of the draft show, I will think of that first year and that Kenny Pickett class, and just how every time we talked about him was like, but his hands too small, Craig, I'm out on him. I don't like it. And then, lo and behold, he lands. in Pittsburgh and Craig has to deal with him for another two years. I can't explain Craig's face right now, but he's just like,

he's just like, it feels like you're half holding back anger and laughter at the same time. I don't know how to explain that face. Yeah, you know, the Steelers aren't exactly a team that likes to kind of move on for things quickly, so I'd assume that Kenny Pickett's going to be in the picture for a little bit. Oh, that's true. All right, goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC.

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