The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Things We’re NOT Thankful For

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

Power hour! Discussing the fantasy characters and story lines we refuse to give thanks for heading into Week 12, including all the backup QBs (except for Josh Dobbs), the state of the New York sports scene, Arthur Smith, NFL offenses being historically down, and much more (1:03). “You guys want to do some emails?” (44:17) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! “Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead” (2:27) Every backup quarterback not named Joshua Dobbs (6:20) The majority of New York sports teams (8:39) What happened to the (passing) game I love? (10:51) The slow death of the touchdown (13:28) Arthur Smith. That’s it. That’s the tweet. (17:32) Positive regression is a myth, change my mind (22:35) Instant replay is kind of the worst (27:22) Nearly every player drafted in the second and third rounds of fantasy drafts this year (30:02) Sigh, injuries (34:23) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We were power ranking something on Wednesdays during the season and you know what is Thanksgiving time. It's a time for gratitude for perspective and most of all for giving thanks. And you know what? You got enough of that this week. That's why today we're power ranking the players. We are not thankful for. Thank you for nothing. Right, D.K.

Yeah. I mean, it's the spirit of the holiday. Just bitching and moaning and complaining and all that. But yeah, this is going to bond over things they love, all right? No. People bond over things they hate. Just too much gratitude in the American way. Yeah.

When I look at the internet, I'm like, everyone's just like, you know, everyone's too happy on here. Everyone's just giving too much gratitude. You know, that's like the vibe, right? Yeah, that's the problem with Twitter. Everyone's too happy. Yeah. Also, it's not just people that we're going to be not thankful for. It's concepts, ideas, things.

Anything that bugs us is fair game in this episode. Just like a little pre-festified. this airing of grievances, if you will. So we're going to roll through this. We're going to do a power hour style. If you're not familiar with power hour, it's very simple. Every two minutes,

you're going to hear this sound. I am thankful for TomTom Club. Yes. We are thankful for Tom Tom. And we are thankful that we were able to get other rights-free music that we could replace Tom-Tom with on Findle TV if you're listening

because that's not what we're hearing. But Tom-Tom's a great song. Nothing following is great. Craig is power-ranked at all. D.K. and I sent our grievances, hatreds to Craig. Craig is then powering to various hatred. So then Craig, you can just lead us off here. Okay. So things we are not thankful for, we have to start here. Matt Canada has been fired as the play caller, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ding dong. Ding dong, the witch is dead. I guess this is something I am thankful for. He was going to

leave the show regardless. Even if he didn't get fired, he would have left the show because we're all not fable for him. I loved on Twitter that the trending line was Matt Canada and then below it said trending with happy Thanksgiving Steelers. So everyone's thrilled. It's funny that we were just talking about this. I was just saying how stubborn the Steelers front offices and how they don't fire anybody. And today Adam Schefter tweeted, when the Steelers fired offensive coordinator Matt Canada today, it marked the first time that they have made an in-season coaching chain since 1941. Was that a coaching change or did the coach just go to war?

He actually fired himself, Bert Bell. Bert Bell. But look, man, we could go through everything. They've been out game for 10 straight games. Matt Canada has been the offensive coordinator. He's called 45 games for the Steelers. They've never had 400 yards of offense. The Jets have had 400 yards this year, not the Steelers.

Yeah, you can stumble into a 400-yard game, just, you know, like garbage time, anything. Yeah. Kenny Pickett is based on. had the worst start in 20 years a quarterback, 13 touchdowns and 22 games. Every quarterback that has a worse QBR than him has been benched except Bryce Young, who was the number one overall pick in the draft.

So how do you guys feel? I feel great. I was going to ask you how you feel if the next, this moment in time was replayed 10,000 times going forward. How many times do you feel like Kenny Pickett actually was terrible the whole time versus

is Kenny Pickett going to be better now? I think Kenny Pickett will be better, but I think there is a 85% chance that Kenny Pickett is still not good and will not be the long-term answer for the Steelers. We actually, oh, incredible song. We got an email from Jonathan from Australia. John. Who asked, why do we not call Kenny Pickett, Kenny Ickett?

Well, we might. Now that Matt Canada's gone, it's all on Kenny. So we might be calling him Kenny Iicket here. What's the key to unlocking this offense? Motion. Throwing the ball past the first down. is what I'm looking for. Throwing it in the middle of the field?

Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah. Yes. You know, any type of creativity, not throwing dump-offs to your running back in front of three defenders. And really any semblance of creativity, not running it on first and second down for one yard each. And then a third and a play that doesn't get to the sticks because Kenny Pickett was

scrambling and threw it out of bounds. Craig is referencing a hilarious play from last week's game against the Browns where literally, so it was a screen pass sort of. Yeah. I shouldn't say dump off. This was the designed first read. It was a screen pass except for none of the receivers that were in front of the running back actually blocked.

So it didn't make any sense. There's no, I don't understand what the plan was here. And this is something that Dan Roloski broke down on Twitter. But it was just like all the receivers ran downfield. And then they passed it to the running back. And then three Browns players tackled. You know, we were talking about how our favorite Madden play growing up was like, you send the Hail Mary and then you dump it off to the quarterback or the running back.

They tried that, but they did it too. quickly. Like, they just ran that and let the play develop for one second instead of five. And so all the cornerbacks were still just like 10 yards away from Jalen Warren and were immediately swarming him. Good stuff. So anyway, I told my parents to cancel all my Christmas gifts this year because I don't need anything else now.

So to be clear with the theme of the show, you were not thankful for Matt Canada. So whatever, ipso facto, he now is fired. So now you're thankful. Yeah. So I guess this kind of like, you know. it doesn't agree with what the show's spirit is, but we had to talk about it. So let's go to the second thing.

Kai, fire up the clock here. D.K. Yeah. You have backup quarterbacks not named James Josh Dobbs. James James. Joshua Dobbs escapes this category because he's been awesome. But like a list of the quarterbacks who weren't supposed to be playing this year,

but actually did play. I'm not thankful for any of these. Zach Wilson, Tyson, Tyson, Bayton, Aidan O'Connell, Will Levis. I kind of like Will Levis, actually. Yeah. PJ Walker, Tyrod Taylor, Tommy DeVito. Oh, Tyrod.

Come on. I'd start to see Tyron playing. Gardner Minchew, he's fine. Dorian Thompson Robinson, Taylor Heineke, Andy Dalton, James Winston. I actually like James Winston. So we're taking him off this. Brian Hoyer. I don't even remember what team Brian Horner started for.

Brent Rippin? Do you guys remember who Brett Rippin played for? I can't like honestly. The Rams, right? Yeah. I don't know. Sure. We were one Brett Rippin injury away from getting dresser win off the Edmond

to Elks practice squad for the LA Rams. Oh, yeah, that's right. Clayton, Jaron Hall, Tim Boyle coming up. Jake Browning. This season has just been a nightmare for quarterback play. And it's because of a lot of injuries, but also just none of these guys are good.

You know what's funny, too, as I look at this list is now, like I feel like Carson Wentz behind Matt Stafford is in the future at this list, which how about is Carson Wentz that all these guys have been playing ahead of Carson Witts? And it goes back to sort of like the bit that Craig has talked about. It's like, why can't. the NFL just find a competent backup? Where are all the competent backups?

Where have they all gone? Where have all the Cowboys got? You know what it is? It's all these NFL owners or whoever managing the cap, the gems, like they're so cheap. Like, they won't just pay for a quality backup. And it's kind of like they're buying this flight. And then at the end, they're like, hey,

would you like to pay like $18 to insure your flight? And you're like, no, like, that's like it happened to me. Except like if it was like an NFL and you're getting hit 10 times a game, you're like, yeah, get the insurance. It's 18 bucks. Who cares? Like, you can't go on this vacation without it. Flights get canceled all the time.

I have never once purchased insurance for my rental car, and I haven't had an issue yet. And maybe that's how GMs think, you know? Maybe they're like, look, what are the odds? What happened to me? It's kind of like that, but it was if you weren't getting insurance for like bumper cars. Yeah, right. Yeah, you weren't getting insurance for like your race car.

Yeah, exactly. No, we're not going to show the F1 vehicle, which you're like, what could possibly happen to this thing? All right. Next up here, things are not thankful for. Hyphets you have here. Every New York sports team except the MSG ones. Yeah, God damn it, dude. You know what?

All I say is the state of New York sports right now. Every team in New York that is not owned by James Dolan is a disaster. That's where we're at. It's like James Dolan is not touching the New York sports team. It's like James Dolan's got the Knicks of the Rangers doing great. He's got the severe in Vegas

and everything else is like the Yankees missed the playoffs even though they spent a gazillion dollars. The Mets spent the most money in baseball history didn't even make the playoffs by so much that they could sell at the trade deadline. And then they had Scherzer and de Grom go to the Texas Rangers win the World Series. You get the Jets and Giants who as of like halfway through the season had like eight touchdown passes combined or something look ludicrous. Like as D.K said, like the defining aspect of the Giants and Jets for like the entirety pandemic onward has been that they cannot

score touchdowns, which is the explicit stated goal of football. Right. The Giants are starting A.J. Soprano at quarterback. And like he's playing them out of the first pick. And he's better than Zach Wilson, the Jets took second, which is what the Giants won anyways to pick the second pick. This whole thing is just a freaking mess. I'm tired of it. Yeah. Get these New York teams out of my face. I'm sick of them.

I don't want to watch them. They're the worst teams than the NFL, the least entertaining teams in the NFL. It's crazy. It is odd how bad New York sports has been for like a decade now. It feels very unnatural. Growing up, the Yankees were awesome. And I guess the Knicks have always been bad. But it is weird that pretty much every team in New York,

has been terrible for quite some time. The Jets have been terrible since like the 1960s. What is how? What's this deal? What's the deal with this team? I don't get it. I mean, I have so many Jets fans, friends.

And they've all just sort of have this weird resignation that it's never going to be good. Can I give you a real take? I think that there's been a huge decline in religion in New York City in part because they're jets. Do you think? A lot of atheists out there now. You should do a study about that. Yeah.

Godless New York. York. Church membership is below 50% for the first time in American history. And I feel like it hasn't been studied enough how much that's related to like the quarterback. It's ever since Eli Manning retired, people stop going to church. Next up here, this is mine. I'm not thankful for everyone responsible for ruining passing. Passing is ruined.

You know, this year in the NFL, the average completed pass is 10.8 yards. D.K. When do you think the last time it was lower? than that. Probably mid-aughts. The answer's never. Oh, no. 1932 is when this was first recorded. You tricked me. It's never been lower.

90 plus years. Wow. The average completely passes. Because they never used to throw. And when they did, it was always for like a bomb. And now it's the opposite. It's they never throw bombs. Now it's just like an extension of the running game.

Exactly. So it's been like grad, it's been in secular decline. It's kind of been gradually going down over time. But that, like the trend in which passing is going mixed with the shitty young quarterbacks, mixed with the really inflated sack rate. The sack percentage is the highest it's been since 1998. So you have that, you have the highest sack percentage in 25 years, mixed with the lowest average completed pass in 90 years.

And this is what we're all watching for three out of our four days on Thanksgiving break. Yeah. And football is on every day. It's on a TV. Is this a trend or is this a weird confluence? of like we have all these rules to protect quarterbacks, which have somehow backfired and created as much quarterback injuries and inexperience as ever.

And I feel like the offensive line play is being mismatched against great defensive play. And then also the quarterbacks are bad. Is that like an actual trend? Like we don't have enough quarterbacks still somehow? Or is this just a weird anomaly? I think it's a little bit of both. Our buddy Derek Thompson,

who hosts plain English great podcast. He was talking about how this is sort of like the money ball version of for football. where it's like find a guy who can get on base. NFL teams are just hitting singles with these like little dump off passes. They're more efficient. We see completion percentages like at an all-time high.

But at the end of the day, we're Americans. We want to see home runs. We don't want to see singles. We don't want to see guys get on base. Cut to the chase already, offense. Come on. You know what the irony is with Moneyball? Moneyball created a world that ruined baseball

and they had a completely upside-down change the entire rules of the sport because they had created the complete wrong incentives. Also, the A's never even won the freaking world series. That's because he never even made it. They never even made it. They made the playoffs once. We missed the lesson of Moneyball.

It was a good movie, but everybody got the wrong, they learned the wrong lessons. Well, this, so this parlay is into the next thing we're not thankful for, which is why I had it next year. DK, you have the sad evolution, but with a devolution, which is not a word. Is it? I looked at it up.

I think it is a word. Devolution is a word. If you, like, think it's a word, this is my thing with words. It's if I say funner, you know that that means more fun. But if you say devolution, we're like, is that a word? It's like, well, if people don't know what it means, is it a word? People say funner. I don't know if anyone says devolution or devolution.

I think it makes sense. That's fair. It's just devolve, right? If we devolve is a word. I think it makes sense to read, but not to say. Have we used half the clock on this? It's not fair that Kai already started the clock. But yes, I said revolution of NFL offenses.

I did look this up because I wasn't sure. But anyways. This has been alluded to earlier in this pod, but basically, Deluded to. Scoring is not only down. So scoring is at a low since 2017. So basically, this is, the offense is taking a huge step back. We've talked about this, the reasons why it's like quarterbacks, like shorter passes, all that.

Not only is scoring overall down, but field goals are at an all-time high. Field goals are, this is the golden age. High Fitz is probably loving this. field goals are at an all-time high. There's, um, how dare you? More field goals. Hyvitz loves field goals.

Touchdowns per game at a low since 2006. So it's like since the mid-aughts, we haven't seen this few of touchdowns in games. The iconic signature play of the sport is like disappearing. We're witnessing the slow death of the touchdown. I hate this. I'm not thankful for it. I don't want field goals.

I don't like, like if the, if scoring was down slightly, but touchdowns were like stagnant, that'd be fine. But touchdowns are going in the wrong direction. We need to get more football. We need to get more offensive.

I'm saying that it's just Jason Garrett is like running every offense in the NFL now. Just know we're kicking. We didn't. And we're doing everything we can to coddle offenses and make offense easier and it's not working. Great song. Great song. I take exception. They're like, oh, defense loves the field goals.

I'm like two things. I just like kickers in fantasy football because you know what? The reason people don't like kickers. It's like, oh, it's random. It's like you can't predict it. It's like, so is life. If you can perfectly predict the season, then like, you know what? That's not good.

Like, we need kickers. They're on the field. It's crazy. the NFL games are decided by these guys, but then fantasy can be too. The one thing I'll say is the kickers are, field goals are also, because they're doing harder kicks.

The kickers are getting better. They're the ones who are doing stuff from further away. The quarterbacks are the cowers who are just taking six yard completions all the time. It's influencing the game in a negative way because you got these guys that can hit 60 yarders. So now we have far less aggressive coaches. Isn't that better than a punt?

No, I want people to go for it. I want teams to go for it. No way. try and score touchdowns. Dude, coaches are more aggressive than ever. We got coaches going for a fourth and two, fourth and three at midfield. And, like, people don't even blink an eye anymore when they do that.

Well, I guess that's true. But I would say the crutch here is that you got kickers who can hit 50, 60 yarders, like, really regularly. I just want them to go for it more. Score touchdowns. That's all. I wrote a column last day. You're hearing this a Wednesday or whatever. I wrote this on Monday night.

Eagles Chiefs played Monday of football. And we've talked so much about the Chiefs, not be able to hit explosives. for like, oh, the defense has changed. Dude, the receivers are bad. That's the other, like, we just can't have playing the quarterback. Marquez Valde's scamp thing, though. Bless his heart, just did a 360 degree spin on a, on a downfield pass to try to get it. I'm like, high schoolers don't do that.

You look back, you change your shoulder. Don't break stride. And I know it was raining. He dropped that pass to end the game and like he should have had it. And then Justin Watson, who I love Justin Watson, had the ball in his hands on and forth. Jackie's mom taught Justin Watson in school. Oh, wow.

Didn't teach him how to catch passes, I guess. Oh! Hey, oh! Right through his hands. For them long. 11 targets for Justin Watson in the most important game of the year for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Oh, well, you know what? Justin's great. He's a good guy. Sure. Plus is art. He's a fourth string receiver. They're all being... I'm just saying sometimes it's a receivers, that's all.

All right. Next up, I'm surprised it took us this long. You guys both submitted this, so you guys can tag team it. You're not thankful for Arthur Smith. obviously. Arthur Smith, comma, obviously.

I don't feel like I need to explain this one very much. Hi Fitz, what do you think? Well, he's head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. I will say this and I mean this is a compliment to D.K. I think Arthur Smith is the exact opposite of D.D. Kelly and everywhere that matters. Okay.

Danny Kelly's like really kind, thoughtful. I would say what I love about D.K. is D.K. doesn't look down on everyone. I will admit that Arthur Smith does have an incredible ability to talk down to anyone. at all times, which I admit is different now that he's not winning games. You can kind of get away with it when you're winning. You're going to win the NFC.

And now that the Falcons are really trending down, you know what? It's the stepbrothers like, wow, the tuxedos, you know, they seem kind of weird now. It's the Arthur Smith just drafting Kyle Pitts. And I understand he, like the Falcons draft of Calpitts, not using him. And then we just blindly thought that the Falcons would use Bejan Robinson normally. And then now they're just not. It's like, yeah, it's a little weird to take a running back in the top 10 and then just not making your goal line back for like the first half of the season.

I just, I keep imagining what it would be like for Arthur Smith to go to your Thanksgiving dinner. And like, I imagine it's like he, his job is to cook the turkey and he burns the shit out of it. And everyone's like, hey man, like, why would you, why would you say you could cook the turkey if you didn't know how to actually cook a turkey? And I just imagine him being like, look, are we really going to talk about that right now? Like, there's political unrest all over the world, which we just got out of a pandemic and we're really worried about the burnt turkey. I'm sure you got some opinions on that. Huh?

You want to talk about what's going on around the world? We can talk about climate change if you want to talk about climate change. Yeah.

You know bees are dying an alarming rate? You want to talk about Bijon Robinson at the goal line? You don't talk about my bird turkey, my dry turkey? You guys want to know what it just really bugs me about it though?

Honestly, he deflects by saying, he deflects by basically denigrating fantasy football. Like, oh, these fantasy football people don't know what they're talking about.

What we're suggesting is the most basic logic. Imagineable. use your really talented players in critical situations. That's all we're asking. Honestly, what's real is I will say, I think that at first I was kind of like, there's something to the idea that if you took like Kyle Pence

and he's not as good as you think, there is something to the merit of like not playing him automatically because you did it. Like just, you know, don't just play that he should earn this spot. I will say, I do think there's something to the fact that Arthur Smith, being a billionaire of the FedEx founder, and then getting a start at the Washington commanders where it was FedEx Field.

in that beginning of his career. I do think there's something where deep down who just want to hand anything to anyone just because they were a first run pick. However, what's weird

is if you were going to play Tyler L.Gere at running back who just had the most rushing yards for a rookie in Falcon's history, just take Jalen Carter and make him the defensive tackle on your team.

That's the problem. It's like, just put Jalen Carter and have Tyler Al Jare if you weren't going to play Bejan Robinson. And that's the, like, how is the head coach not talking to the GM

and the ownership? Like that's the part of this that's bizarre. Also, Arthur Smith, billionaire works for Arthur Blank, who's another billionaire and Arthur.

So it's like with a mustache. If we're using Craig's cooking metaphor here, it's like giving Arthur Smith all these incredible

fresh like farm to table ingredients, then he just like whips out some freaking chicken nuggets or something and thinks he's going to like you know,

chop, you know the show chopped. Like he's going to do something with that. It's like, dude, just use the really good ingredients that this

front office is getting you in your office. It's like the opposite of chopped. Yeah, they should make a game show where they give you

really high in ingredients and you have to make the worst meal possible. I was looking at the Falcons, like in DVOA, they're like 28, 27, and 26 or something like that in offense, defense, and special teams. It's like, things aren't getting better, man. This isn't working. Like, your attempt at making some good meal out of bad ingredients or whatever like you're trying to do is not working. Maybe you should just use the good ingredients. Dude, it's the chop. He's like, I brought my own stuff from home.

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unless otherwise specified restriction supply seat terms at sportsbook.fandall.com. Next up here, this is mine. I'm not thankful for the theory of positive regression, especially this year. It's been a big year for a just hold on. It'll happen. It's been a lot of like, no, no, he's going to come around. It's a statistical likelihood that he's going to play better soon. And I thought of that. It's like the happy Gilmar quote, everybody's coming around. Like, everyone's going to come around. He's like, I'm not, Doug. You know who's not? Tony Pollard's not, Doug. Jaylon, Chris Godwin. Evan Ingram has the most targets without a touchdown this year. He's got 73 targets and no touchdowns. He's the Deonté Johnson of this year. This has been this season. has tested my patience, I think, more than any season in fantasy history. I have, and it's honestly probably because I just happened to draft Jalen Waddle, Tony Pollard,

Chris Godwood, Evan Ingram, and D.K. Metcalfe, and all of these guys, I've just been getting told over and over. No, no. The expected fantasy point suggests things are going to get better. And they fucking don't. Pardon my French. I feel like he's talking directly to us, Hyphitz. We've been telling him things are going to get better.

They're getting kind of hard to believe. Oh, man. It reminds me in, like, the middle of the pandemic when, like, crypto was exploding. And you're like, no, you shouldn't do this. Like, you should put the money in, like, you know, your regular S&P 500. And I remember it's like a very, very smart person told me, look, I know it must be hard. Well, the dumbest people you know are making millions of dollars. And it was like your friends.

He's just like, you know what? You just have like freaking like, what, A. Chan or just like starting like Gus Edwards and most started these running backs that got outside the top 140 are just like undefeated in your league. You're like, well, I have Tony Pollard and Jalen Waddle. So like, you know, that's supposed to, I was supposed to be rich. This is like, reminds me of one of my leagues. I drafted, like, Cooper Cup, uh, Jemir Gibbs, like a bunch of, like, players I thought were going to be amazing the entire season. And I've been waiting around for them to finally, like, do something.

And the trade deadline came and went. And I was just too stubborn to trade anybody because I'm like, damn it, I'm going to keep these guys on my team. Even if I end up, you know, four and 12 or whatever. Irish. I'll live with this forever. I'm like, these guys are going to produce for my team, whether they like it or not. I'm waiting around forever for them to find the six- I'm going to hold on to Evan Ingram.

So in week 16, when he scores a touchdown, I'll feel vindicated, but I won't make the playoffs. You know what? I'm not going to be in last place. I'm going to be in eighth place. And I'm going to like it, all right? Hasn't it pissed you off? I feel like this has been such a big year for positive regression. But it hasn't happened.

You just got to be patient, Craig. Next year we're going to talk about how positive regression is due for positive regression. Yeah, we are. We're going to be like season over season. Look, if you have a, look, D.K. McCaff had a bad season. Imagine how good is next season's going to be. Dude, you know what I think about all the time?

I think about all the time how we use all these like, you know, you want to a mix of eye test and also this like big underlying math and all this stuff to like project these season long, you know, intricacies. But in reality, sometimes stuff happens like in the Super Bowl. It's like, oh, yeah. Cadarist Tony just lined up wrong because we threw it. this guy. Yep.

You know what I mean? That's the Super Bowl. It's like weird stuff happens. Also, Cadarius Tony Mangers only shows up against the Eagles. I love it. Dude, he's on four good games in his career and two against the Eagles this year. It looked good last night. Dude, especially when he hadn't returned a pun all year since the Super Bowl.

The first one he gets, he almost takes to the house to him. Speaking of positive regression and like waiting for the good thing to happen, it's like, the chiefs are legitimate. I think Andy Reid even came out and said he's like, yeah, we're just kind of trying to keep him healthy for the end of the year. so they just basically don't play him. It's the opposite of Kyle Shanahan. It's the opposite of what they do with Cal Shanahan.

If Kid Arias told him to the Niners, he'd be hurt weak too. Wow, Craig. You're so right. Andy Reid has the exact opposite philosophy because he did that with Jerich McKinn, but I think what's funny is that Cadier's Tony, he's like eight years younger than McKinn has had four fewer surgeries than his knee, but they treat him the same way. But I think this makes total sense. Andy Reid's like, look, we're probably going to be, you know,

11 and 5, 12 and 4, whatever, or, you know, 12 and 5, 11 and how many games will be playing out in the NFL? 17 and six. We don't need Cadarious until like week 13. You know why? This is my thing. In all seriousness, I think that's why the Niners lose and the Chiefs won the Super Bowl is Andy Reid has failed and he's old.

And like the reason I pick the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and I do think the coaches on the Chiefs are just so much older. Like Steve Spagdoll and Andy Reid have been coaching since the Eagles coaches were born. And like Kyle Shanahan just has like a little tinge of the, I'm never going to die from when you're 24. I actually think that's a great call. There's the wisdom of coaches. is important. Yeah, I just, Andy Reid, it goes from fourth down because he's like, I'm, you know,

I'm going to die, whatever, what I got to lose? And Kyle Shannon's still kind of afraid of it. Kyle Shanhan, afraid of death. Next up. Hi, Vince, you have here, you're not thankful for the current state of instant replay. This is your hobby horse. You love talking about it. Dude, I think... It's two minutes enough time.

So, the way you guys said that, are you guys not mad with how instant replay's going right now? No, I agree. It sucks. I think they made it better with the expedited. The expedited makes it better. I'm just mad with like, you know why? Here's what I'm actually mad at. Technology's not going to make you happy.

Like, that's the thing. It's like we're not going to reach a level where you're, there's no line we're going to draw where you're perfectly happy with the outcome of a game based on instant replay. And we need these rules. And I feel like we're slowly adopting some of the worst of it at all times. And like, you know my clear and obvious. It's like clear and obvious means three. If you have to watch the same replay four times, it's not clear and obvious.

But last night, I know it's Wednesday, but the Chiefs Eagles game, When Jalen Hart's throws the pick to, I think it was Legerius Sneed, might have been someone else. And then A.G. Brown stripsacks him. Yeah. Incredible play. Agent Brown literally got so open that Jalen Hertz threw the pick. And then A.J. Brown was like, God damn it. And then like goes, gets the ball back.

And then they're like, well, upon review, his calf for like a quarter of a second glanced at the other guy's leg. So he's down. I'm like, that's not why we have replayed. No one saw that. Yeah. It's like against the spirit. that's not a tackle. He's not down because of that.

You know what bothered me? I've never thought about this to last night, but it was like when they show the replay, it was clear. But that wasn't obvious at all. Like, we had to look for it. No one was thinking. And all I'm saying is like,

clear and obvious is a bit much, you know? And sometimes the video's obvious and clear, but sometimes the vibes are clear and obvious. And it's like, our replay system needs vibes. The awareness of A.J. Brown, because when Ligerius Need picked off that pass, A.J. Brown purposely tried to, like, take a step back,

Jerry Sneed would stand up. And then AJ Brown pursued him and stripped the football. It was one of the most like aware plays I've ever seen from a receiver after an interception. It was literally the perfect mix of brain and brawn.

Oh, it was amazing. Also, it's like, High Fitz, we were talking about this the other day. I can't even remember the exact example of what it was, but a guy, I think it was Josh Dobbs, dove for a first down, and they signaled a first down.

It was a bang, bang play. and then upon review, it was like determined that he was like half an inch short of the goal, short of the line to gain, and they changed it, made it a fourth down. It's like, do we really need to do that? You know what I mean? Like it was half an inch away from being a first down, I think. And it's like, do we really need to spend like five minutes relitigating this play that like pretty clearly looked like a first down on like the first play? I think my favorite thing to watch now in the NFL, like my favorite subplot is watching

refs just randomly spot the ball wherever they think it is. It is so funny now. Like a crucial play. There was a Cadarius Tony catch on Monday night where he caught it. It kind of didn't look like he had the first down. It was a third and long. Ref comes up,

spots it, makes it a first down. And you're just like, dude, I watch this at home and I knew it wasn't a first down. Buck and Aikman watched the replay and said, I don't think this is a first down. And the ref just plops at like half a yard too far. It's just, it's incredible. This is like the most popular sport the world, just no shot at figuring out where the whole ball is.

Dude, the greatest game ever played, which was like a Giants Colts, like a championship game, I think, before the Super Bowl era. The whole game hinged on a fourth down where they couldn't get the spot. And they just, the ref, what happened was the ref marked the spot with his foot. And then he forgot that he marked it with his toes, but he ended up putting it by his heel because he forgot which part of the foot he used to keep track of the spot. And like, we haven't actually made that much progress since then. Like, you know what else was funny when the refs just throw their hats because they're out of

flags. Like, this is our system. You know what I mean? I also think it's funny when they're doing the measurements with the chain and like the stick the ball, the tip of the ball is off the ground, right?

Like when they put it on the ground. And so they have to make sure that they have the stick like at a perfect 90 degree angle to determine whether it's like this is ridiculous. You see what we're doing. Although nothing will like how,

what are we doing here? Nothing will ever top with Gene Sterator took out the paper note card to be like, see there's space between the balls. You can remember that. to stick slightly to like not, you know what I mean, like not 90 degree

angle here to be like a different thing. It's like, come on. What are we doing here? This is so ridiculous. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodge is like, I'm going to fix my Achilles in three months. And then like, you got like this chains. Oh my God. It's what a weird, what a weird in between we are.

All right, whatever. What's next here? Yeah, we disrespected Tom, Tom, Tom, here. Next one, D.K. You have here that you're not thankful for almost the entire second and third round of fantasy draft. I'm in danger of reading off a bunch of lists, but basically there's 24 picks in the second and third round, right? I would say three players from those rounds.

Amon Ross St. Brown, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hertz. People are very happy with. Other than that, you got guys like Tony Pollard, Cooper Cup, Derek Henry, Donate Adams, Garrett Wilson, Waddle, Alave, Najee, Devante, Ramandre Stevenson. The list goes on almost every single one of those picks in the second and third rounds, this is according to ADP, is supremely or moderately disappointing.

Like, just has not lived up even remotely close to what we thought they would be. This was the year for auction drafts and it was the year for Stars and Scrubs. You wanted two players in the first round. Like, you wanted Christian McCaffrey and Tyree Kill. And then a bunch, like a Brandon Ayuk or two, and then just Adam feeling for two bucks for he moster for two bucks. And it was like a giant argument against snake drafts. I look at some of the best teams in my leagues,

and it's all guys from the waiver wire. You know what I mean? It's Puka Nakua. It's a tank Dell. There's just a, for whatever reason, this has been a great year for like people that really capitalized on the waiver wire can be doing really well in their leagues because there's so many disappointing early round picks. Can I just say for all the shit that Josh Allen has taken this year and for how bad

everybody thinks the bills are now, the fact that he's still just the QB1 in fantasy is, it's pretty wild. And honestly, it's by a wide margin. He's like 25 points ahead of any other quarterback. It's like a full game better than every other quarterback. Yeah. It's weird, too, because, I mean, the offense has played well. Craig, I love when you were like, Stefan Diggs, like, throw me the ball.

And you're like, dude, you're like top four in targets, buddy. Like, I don't know what you want for you. He's number one. He leads the league in targets. There you go. It's like, all right, I don't know what you want. But other than that, like, man, Gabe Davis has just been brutal. And there's so much about that offense that's doing fun.

He's doing his job. Yeah, I don't know. He's Josh Allen. He's being Josh Allen. The whole defense is hurt. They're blowing games. Nick he's been fine. He leads the league in picks, but my staff would lead the league of league of games.

He won the Super Bowl, so it's fine. Also, Josh Allen's always, he's never been, you know, the most conservative guy with the ball. It's like that stuff has variance. I feel like it goes up and down. Some years he'll have a little bit more interceptions than he should. Some he'll have a little bit less. Like, this is who Josh Allen is. We can't fault him for it now.

Next up here, my last one, I put injuries as my last thing I'm not thankful for. And obviously, there are injuries every year. D.K. already ticked off all the quarterbacks who've been hurt. You ticked off the backups. But obviously, my quarterbacks have been hurt. You know, Joe Burroughs has been hurt. Justin Fields has been hurt. Matt Stafford.

There's so many injuries that have happened. You know, Jake Coffins. Yeah. Richard. Rodgers, obviously, on the first quarter. Danny Dimes. Yeah. That doesn't really matter to me.

Just to be honest. Thanks, D.K. Thanks. It's just the only one with an actually serious injury. No, no, I mean, from a fantasy point of view. Isn't it funny that all the guys who get sacked a lot? Like, like Sam Howell's not hurt. Kenny Pickett's not hurt.

I don't know. Zach Wilson not hurt. Sacked a little bit. well, Zach Wilson is just limber. You know what I mean? He's just like baby bones. I don't know. But I think that the thing with injuries,

this kind of goes with what D.K. was just saying about the second third round, I think what's strange is, so I'm home for Thanksgiving and my sister-in-law's father asked me, who's going to win the Super Bowl this year? And like, without even thinking, blinking, I literally, seven good teams in whichever one is 21 star, just left for the Super Bowl, that one's going to make it.

And like, that really is the answer. I'm like, I have no idea. But the last seven years, the six teams who made it are the Bengals Rams game. Like last year, Eagles Chiefs, it's like they have 20 or 21 starters left. That's it. Right? And I'm realizing, that's kind of just how fantasy works too, because I was thinking what's so funny is that even if you actually preseason were given perfect knowledge of what was going to happen,

like, just skill-wise. Like, oh, great. I'll grab Devon A-chan and Anthony Richardson. I might get the number one quarterback and the number one running back outside the top 100 players. I get them for a dollar in my league. And then just instantly hurt. And it's like it really is the same thing in fantasy.

It's like there are three good teams in a fantasy league. And then the team that just has the healthiest good players usually makes it. And then sometimes you lose to a random team that has a good week. But it's just, especially now that the fantasy championships are one week, not two, because the buys go to week 14. It's even more random. This is how Hafeitz rationalizes why his fantasy team sucks to his friends when they're like, dude, don't you host a fantasy football podcast?

And he's like, look, it's all because of injuries, all right? It's luck. Can I tell you it's actually the other way and that I actually have a couple of teams hanging on where I completely blew some drafts because of like the Jalen Waddles of the world. But I'm just like, oh yeah. But like, you know, I have Pukkahua. Just total luck. And I'm like, okay, cool.

Injuries have always been a part of the game. This is just a part of football. I get that. But doesn't it feel like they're just making up new injuries these days? I feel like we've gotten totally, I've never heard of some of these injuries before, like the last couple of years. You don't know, but the Sean Watson's Glenoid? You've never heard of the Gennoy, D.K.

Do you think that's like, new injuries? Is that because we're like, we're more advanced medically now? And back in the day, we should just be like, shoulder hurt. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure that's it. But like, like, what was the finger injury?

Mallet finger and then like. Malat finger. Five guys got mallet finger. I've never heard of mallet finger before my life. And then like multiple forebacks got it. It sounds like a World War I trench disease. It does. It's like, I mean, obviously I'm.

I got trench foot and mallet finger. Obviously I understand. Craig's right. It's more just specific now. but like, man, it is frustrating. It does feel like it's gone beyond what we've ever had before. There's been a lot of stuff this year. I mean, the Nick Chub injury feels like it was two years ago.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that one. Thanks for bringing that up, Craig. Now I'm sad. Sorry. Remember Nick Chubb? They didn't even show that replay.

That was like the first time in a while. I remember Buck, Ericman. They were just like, yeah, we're not showing that. Yeah. Dude, I remember the, well, you remember hearing the gasp with the crowd? Like, it was in Pittsburgh, I think. And it was like, the crowd was just like, oh. Yeah.

Yeah. Brutal sport. What a great way. Yeah. Not thankful for injuries. Anyway, Jerome Ford hasn't even been that good. I just love the way people think. He's been pretty good, actually.

I just love that's like the first or second thought in like a lot of people's minds when Nick Chubb got hurt because of stupid things. The ball was like, should I get Joe Ford? It is the Tim Robinson like, I got to make money on this. Just got to figure out. Just immediately. Justin Jefferson tweeting today like, hey, I don't care about your fantasy team. I'm going to come back when I'm totally healthy.

And I'm so torn on that because part of me is like, look. I'm torn on that. I don't know if I agree. I don't know if I agree with him. I don't know, Justin. My team really needs to. I'm of two minds on this.

No, but I'm torn because, look, if you're like, don't contact players and tell them. I think that it's like, it's totally fine the same way you root for a team to be mad at Tommy DeVito or fantasy-wise the same.

You can be mad at a player or whatever. Don't like contact the player. That's kind of weird to me. It's like breaking the fourth wall or whatever. It's like you can yell, yell into the void all you want about something. Don't at a player email them or send them a letter or something weird. It's the internet. It's complicated.

I think exactly. I think it's weird. I think it's fine to like be like, Tommy DeVito, like whatever. I think it's just weird to at them or DM them. Yes. But the flip side is I can't imagine checking my DMs and being like a player. Like Marquez Valdez Gantling dropping that pass on Monday day.

And then like, why would you go through your DMs and read? They're just babes in the wood. Like Tommy DeVito, he hasn't been around long enough to know not to check your mentions. You know, he's probably got like a normal amount of followers on Twitter because he hasn't been famous for like more than a few weeks. And I wanted to ask Craig about this because Craig, I feel like you're, you have good thoughts on like, I don't know. You're savvy person with like the weirdness of what social media is done. But I feel bad for these kids who are like like Evan Neal for the giants who are just all the, we're all addicted to our phone. zones. We've grown up. Unlike D.K., we have no sense of identity without the

meaningless affirmation of our peers constantly at all times with Instagram likes and whatever. The dope. The mean hits. Yeah, and I just feel bad for Evan Neal is the right tack of the Giants. He's not playing well. And in the past, my father would have just been like, Evan Neal, why'd we draft him? But now it's kids just DMing him. And Evan Neal, just like his whole life, everything's been good. His whole life in high school, in college and Alabama, he's always been good at everything. So you check and you play the game, you win the game, and then check. You're like, wow, look at all these people love me. And then they're just throwing. into a world where you play for the Giants, you're awful, the team's awful,

and now, like, this source of, like, dopamine, and now it's just people hating you. And it must be so weird for these younger, like, these younger players who are just receiving negative feedback for the first time in their entire life. Yeah, I think, I think mentally it's probably harder than ever to be an athlete. I mean, think about if Michael Jordan had social media, how much, like, harder that would be for that guy.

I mean, Kevin Durant was my first exposure to it, where I was like, wow, like, this guy is the best basketball player in the world, and he's just, like, up at 2 a.m. scrolling Twitter responding to haters? It's crazy. C.G. McCollum, like, responded, I'm trying, Jennifer to someone. Because she's like, hey, win a trophy or win a championship or whatever. He's like, I'm trying.

You know these guys are online all the time. It's like something like Jordan Poole, who's just been getting destroyed on social media for the first month of the NBA season, I don't know how you can avoid that. I mean, I feel bad if somebody tweets that they hate the ringer fantasy football show once in a while. I'm like, God, if I was an NFL athlete. And if I'm Marcus Valdez-Scaneling or Justin Watson, you know, getting destroyed by everybody except Jackie's mom, that's tough, man. I don't know how you get out.

I don't know how you get through that. It's too easy. It's too easy to communicate these days. Like, people have a direct line to these players' ears. Well, it's why, you know. There's a lot of celebrities now who are like boycotting social media. There's like actors who are just like completely off. Like Emma Stone, Jennifer Lawrence, like, they don't do social media.

Will Farrell just doesn't do social media. I think like if I were an athlete, I would probably do my best to just completely stay off of it. I think it's hard because there is a feeling that you have to be on there to like build your brand and you're missing a huge opportunity to do that. And when you delete an app, you just use other apps on your phone. Like you delete Instagram, just go back to Facebook for the first time.

You know what's funny though? Do you guys have any friends who have deleted Instagram or TikTok or Twitter or something? Every single friend I have who does that has the most glowing like review of that experience. Like my friend deleted TikTok. I'm like, how has it been? He's like, it's been amazing. I'm not on my phone how much anymore.

Somebody's like, oh, I deleted Instagram. I'm like, I don't miss it at all. And I'm like, God, I, there's something to that. Everything you need to know, everything you need to know about social media is that the people who make Instagram, like the developers at the people at the companies who make these things send their kids to schools where they teach their kids to like grow plants and there are no iPads or phones or screens in the schools and everything's with paper and ink and they teach them how about a farm.

This is a small thing. But like I think when I think of this, I'm 41 years old, obviously I know I sound like an old when I do this. But like the good old days was when I would get news in like a newspaper the next day. You know what I mean? Like I miss I miss not have I miss having the ability to not care what's happening at every moment of every day. Does that make sense to you?

Like with Twitter you can see what's happening in real time around. around the world at all times. Yeah. And I'm just like, I just want to go back to day when I'm like, I'll read what's happening in the world tomorrow. You know what I mean? Dude, push notifications used to be for like when someone important died. Right.

And now it's like whenever Elon Rogers tweets. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. It's also there's so much that you have to keep in your head. It's impossible. You're basically like remembering facts for like 24 hours and then it has to exit your brain before the next wave of information comes. So you're like reciting things at parties to friends that you read or listened to that day.

But a week from now, you'll have completely forgotten it because there's been, you know, seven more days of information crammed into your brain every week. There's just like, we're way too overstimulated. The only things I know about this year is that, like, baby gronk roused up Livy and the Queen of England died. That's all I retain. I don't know anything else that happened this year. Oh, God. Equally important. Lovie's the queen now.

All right. We have an important fantasy court from George. All right. George. judge a incredible email subject line it was just all caps drunk CMC trade deadline catches the eye we've uh george writes on saturday night at about 11 p.m. Eastern time the team with the least points for an 11th place traded away Christian McCaffrey for Puka Nakua Jaylon Warren and Rahim Mostert to the team with the most points is in second place half the league was

out together at a drinking for someone's birthday we're all drinking we're pretty drunk and that was the time of the trade was negotiated and accepted and accept we generally just don't veto trades in this league. We're like, you know, laissez-faire. They're like a two-to-year. There are almost no trades that are ever agreed to, let alone the number one fantasy player at the deadline. And never mind this dramatic and drunk of fashion.

And the George writes, he's biased because he's in first place. But because he's in first place, he decided to take a video of how drunk the guy was. And George writes, oh, so there's leafblower. I have no idea if you're right. Anyway, oh, woof. Zoinks, whatever. That's how drunk George was.

Just pretend it's buzz at a bar. George writes, I opened my phone, took a video of the guy, just traded Christian McCaffrey to my rival, who is currently spilling beer all over his shirt and was dancing very poorly to the song, the gasoline song. I send it to the fantasy group chat. I send it to the fantasy group chat and write,

this is the man who just traded Christian McCaffrey. He doesn't even know his own name right now. Knowing that this would blow up the group chat, the group chat then explodes, causes chaos on the sleeper app at midnight on a Saturday. League is in disarray. And he says, we need the fantasy court to alleviate. some concerns.

Who is right, who is wrong, and also what are they talking about in the gasoline song? That's such a perfect visual. I don't know why, but that's the perfect song to visualize like a drunk-ass dancing on a bar.

I like that way we have to talk about I like we always talk about whether a trade is in good faith or not, but we've never talked about, yeah, what if you just trade, make a somewhat fair trade

when you're like blackout drunk? I know. I was going to say, this trade isn't bad. It's a relatively fair trade. Right, right. The question is like, is it kosher to make a trade when you're that drunk? Do you need to remember the trade for it to be fair?

If you wake up and didn't know you did that, like, is that like a fair trade? Also, is the guy... There's some like you're manipulating a drunk person. Sure, sure, shit. Look, the sober mind in me says that the next morning, the commissioners show. basically run this trade by these two again and make sure they're okay with them. I think how do you feel about the guy being like in this league where they don't veto trades being like, I'm just going to take a video, stir the pot here and see if I can get this trade vetoed because I don't want this new person to have Christian McAfrey.

Yeah, that's like the, that's like a little finger move right there. Yeah. Look, he's just gathering evidence. All right. It's for discovery. He's documenting. I love that he was gasoline. I think also gasoline, what they're talking about is.

I mean, it's in Spanish, so I don't know. Well, it's not gasoline. I'll put it that way. Is that right? I have no idea what that song is about. The word is gasoline, but it's not meant in the same. Yeah, it's a metaphor. For what?

Let's just call it some Harry Potter shooting Petronis's. That's what we'll call. Oh, I actually didn't know that. Sex. Yeah. Which is funny because I first encountered gasoline on, I think it was the now CD, like eight. It's like kids bop before kids pop. They had the now CDs. Do you remember those?

Now that's what I call music. Yeah. Now that's what I call music. That was that they had gasoline. Which in retrospect is wild. That song was there. That's good to know. I'll take that off my Thanksgiving family player. I'm Googling gasoline translated. This is where we are. I think the trade stands and

Oh, you think it stands? But you think the commissioner should in the sober light of day run this trade back like past the two guys again? Yeah, I guess they should, yeah. Yeah, come on. Basically, you have to call George, no, not George, call the drunk guy

and be like, hey man, do you literally remember the trade you made last night? If he says no, like you're going to have to run it by him again. But does he get to do it then? Because the deadline's best. If he's like, yeah, sure, sounds good. Like, can he renege?

Look, you can still make trades happen post-dedline. You can do like the ad-drop thing on the waiver wire and make that work. I think you should run it past them again. Personally, what do you think? I think so too. Although I think it's a fair trade. Puka, Jalen Warren, and Rahim Moster is not the worst thing.

Three for one? Yeah, especially if you're our last place team, I kind of get it. Also, I mean, Devon H.N. just got hurt, so Rheem Moster just looking a lot better now. Right. So I was going to say, it's not, like, at all crazy to think that this guy who's trying to, like, little finger this trade, actually, Rahim Oster outscores Chris McCaffrey in, like, the playoffs.

Then you just have Pook and Jalen Warren. I kind of almost think that it's fine. All right. There you go. It stands. All right. Gasolina. A couple other emails here. Pending ratification by both parties.

Pending ratification by both parties. We got an email from David. David. He wrote Kobe Bryant shows number 24 in Park because he wanted to be better than Michael Jordan, who were 23. Do we think Brock Purdy chose the number 13 because he wanted to be better than Tom Brady, who were number 12? Wow. Wow. It's already working. This is why 49ers fans would not take Brady over.

we're pretty. They knew something. That kind of changed everything. I'm not going to lie. It's basically what my takeaway is subconscious. We've been talking about whether Brock Purdy is the next Brady and Brock Pretty Pretty crazy. Yeah, who's better at their given sport? Purdy or Kobe? It's probably David.

Yeah. All right. Next up we have a guy from Lucas. Luke Lucas. Big Patrick Mahomes underwear update. Lucas wanted to say Mahomes cleared up in a press conference that Mahomes does not wear the underwear he doesn't wash during the games. He wears the underwear. He doesn't wash two and from the game. Not during.

What? Right? I didn't know what to make of that. Okay. So it's less sweaty than we expected. So he like takes a shower before the game and then he gets in his clean, in his lucky underwear, drives to the game, gets to the locker room, changes into a fresh pair of game ready underwear, then finishes the game, showers and puts the old lucky underwear back. on and drives home. Yes, that is, yes.

That's weird. Mind you, his wife gave him the underwear, which is the impetus for all this. Playing in it is the key component to like having a... I agree. Is it lucky underwear if you're just sitting in your car? It's like you have that underwear already. Like, why does wearing it matter if you're going to the game? You know what?

I think he's lying. That's where I was going. I was wondering if he think he's like, if he doesn't want people to know that or if he just does it to tell his wife, like, I am warm. This is a flimsy lame excuse that it feels like he just came up with on the fly. He's like, no, no, I just wear it to and from the game. Do you think that he told, yeah, I don't, do you think that his wife would be angrier if she thought he was wearing them and he wasn't? Or that his wife would be, like, happy that he hasn't been like this gross pair of underwear. I don't know.

I hope she'd be happier if she found that he wasn't wearing the same pair of underwear for 11 weeks. Wild. All we know is he washed him today, so thank God. Also, by the way, someone tweeted, someone tweeted at me, my guess of however many hours I guessed, it was like 2000 or something. like that. No, 15,000. 15,000 hours is approximately two years I was told. So I was

I overguessed there a little bit. I was like accounting for by weeks and maybe like the changing of seasons. I think two years is like a little pandemic levato you accounted for. I wonder what the longest winning streak in sports is like Gino

Ariama, the coach of Yukon's women basketball team. Like if he didn't watch his underwear, I mean he actually might have gone two years. Oh, that's good. That's what the Napoleon movie's about. I'll be home in three days. Don't watch. It didn't watch that uniform until Russia.

I don't know. Also, this is the most important part of the show. I don't always say it for so long. We got a lot of emails. So, Craig, you want to summarize the bar idea we came up with? Because we were talking about how we got an email for a bar that if you're like dudes, we're all in the bar in the bathroom because the urinals, you could pee and like there were touch sensors in the urinals.

So you could like play space invaders. but shoot the aliens with your piss and all the dudes were doing that. We were saying we should just serve the beer in the bathroom to which Craig, you said, we should just make the bathroom into a bar itself.

Yeah, dudes love hanging out in bathrooms. Like, we spend more time than bathrooms than we do anywhere else. We love sitting on the toilet on our phones. Like, why not just merge it? Just completely merge it.

Just make the bathroom in the bar the same thing. I mean, I can think of a reason or two. Craig came up with a reason for a gentleman's club that was just, instead of like,

you know, whatever goes on there, just like just a bunch of urinals and video games. Big bathroom. Yeah. So we had ideas for, you know, the gentleman's piss club. We. That's what it's called.

We don't need any other names. We already gave it. There were two days thrown out, which was do we call it? A lot of people said we should call it the bathroom. Oh, that's good. Or do we call it the bath pub? Bath pub is the answer. But I still like gentlemen's piss.

Club. The F-Pub is the best pun. Gentleman's Piss Club. It's got to be gentlemen. Only gentlemen allowed here. Gentlemen's Piss Club. High class. Dude, imagine every bar stool is just a toilet.

And there's TVs everywhere. There's heated seeds throughout. Heated seeds? Yeah. You've ever said on a toilet, a heated toilet seat? It's euphoric. No, I hate that. I hate that a lot.

No, it's nice. I like a car seat, like the heated car seats. Wow, I can't imagine. How does that work? The heated car seats make you feel like you pissed your pants, which is it all matches up here. You ever had a double check? What did you say? You ever had a double check.

I went to London earlier this year, and for the first time, I experienced a heated toilet seat and a bidet in the same. Oh, my God. In the same bathroom. And I was like, look, man, this is the pinnacle of luxury. It's wild that we don't have bidetis in this country. The pinnacle of luxury. Bidays are a life-changing experience. It is one of the most stubborn, ignorant things we do

is not adopt the bidet in America. The best argument in the world is everyone with a bidet is just like, look, if you were like picking up your dog shit and you got a little dog shit on your wrist, would you just like wipe that off with a paper towel? I'm like, I'm good. No. And you're soap and water like in person.

It's great. Also, it was warm. The water was warm. Oh, yeah. Just the settings. The bidet bar, just like, make it happen. The gentleman's piss club with bidetes everywhere. You've got TVs.

Everything's heated. Oh, my God. I can't imagine how this place would smell. We need a lot of TVs, too. This is good because it's also a sports bar. Because that way everything's like, oh, you could do axe throwing or like, you know, oh, like. What kind of food are you thinking here, Craig? I'm going no food.

I'm going no food. I hope to God. There's a food truck outside. I think that's where we're living. That's good. That's great because that saves you a lot of red tape with getting the license for the food. Gluten, gluten free and dairy free only.

We're going to need to figure out the smell. We're going to need to kind of technologically advance to figure out the smells. Jasmine. Yeah. I don't know if there's enough candles in the world, but we'll figure it out. The ventilation will have to be. state of the art.

Right. Yeah, we need it. Like, you know, like in airplanes. All those. Like a hepa filter. Like a gigantic hepa filter.

It's all like filtered, like fake air getting cycled through. We got this all figured out. I personally don't want to go to this bar. You just, I'm just going to tell you right now. Yeah, you do.

You have a child. It's the only place you get piece of quiet. It's in your bathroom. You know what sucks is when you're at a bar and there's a big line for the bathroom. Not anymore. not at the gentleman's piss club. Gentlemen's.

Like we've gone full circle to be, gentlemen's piss club is the right answer for the name. It is. We don't have to have a pun. The gentleman's piss club. I send you guys something. Scroll down. We got an email from Rale who sent a picture at PNC.

Park. There's a bar in Pittsburgh near PNC. Park where there's actually, it says men's only bar with latrine. And it was just actually like, the bar was also like a... Oh, it's like, wow. It's like a gutter.

You just pissed down the bar. Just in the bar. They actually had this 100 years ago. It's from 1904, I think. This is before they had any air circulation in any building. No circulation. Think about how humid it would be in there. Here's how you fix this.

I just thought of like a quick fix for the smell situation. I think going number two should still be in a designated private bathroom area. So in the gentleman's piss club, the toilets to go number two are still in like a traditional bathroom, but it's peeing that you could just do wherever. I'm glad that you said that. At a bar, peeing is the biggest issue. It's like it is not that, it's not super common that you need to take like a, you know, a massive dump at a bar when you're drinking beer all day.

It's always like, oh my God, I've had 10 beers. I got to pee 10 times. Yeah, if you got to take a dump out of bar, it's like the worst day your life. Because you don't buy beer. You rent, oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Like you've made some bad decisions prior to that evening. Yes.

Yeah. So maybe that's the fix there. The gentleman's, it's the gentleman's piss club. It's not the gentleman's shit club. I got to regulate this, Craig. That's what the bounces are for. What am I regulating? Security.

Yeah. Email is to ring and fancy football at gmail.com. If you would like to get on the ground floor of this here business and just we can discuss seating, you need to be investment packages, all these things, you know. So if you're interested, you know, or have experience, you know, owning bars, let us know. The merch, the merchandise possibility. Imagine those shirts. Oh, my God.

That actually probably would work really well. All right. That's where you're making most of your money. We're giving way too much stuff here. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode.

Thank you, Jack for up behind the scenes. Thank you, Tucker, for not suggesting we get fired for all the stuff we just talked about. Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, Kiss. Oh, kiss. But Rock, right?

I'm still about over. Kiss being. But Rock. I don't get that. Well, some people would say that it's not. But there's very loose definitions of what Butt Rock is. I just was thinking of piss and Kiss came up in my head. Those go together in your

They're very similar. They have one different letter. Oh, they rhyme. Oh, I get it. Right. Did you guys see that somebody tweeted us saying that they posted a, I think this is a DM conversation or a text conversation. Anyway, they sent the screenshot. And somebody said

it says, ring a related thing I was going to tell you. I was in church recently and the guy said, thank you, Lord, and left a little pause. And in my head, I definitely said,

Lord, and a Craig voice. Thank you, Lord. They should do that in churches now. It's good. Thank you, Lord. Oh, my God. Sweeping the nation.

Craig, whatever you're not on the show and hyphen says, thank you, Lord. I'm like, it's something really important is missing here.

Just you just echo, like the callback. Lord. It's like a bathroom without a place to piss. It's like a bar without a place to piss. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states.

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