The Ringer NFL Show - Power-Ranking the Top 12 Players for the Rest of the Season

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

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Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyvetz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Whirlback. And today it is power hour. Every week, we will be power ranking something every Wednesday during the season. And this week, we are re-ranking, re-repower ranking? I don't know. We are re-power ranking our rest of the season.

12, aka if we were to just wipe our fantasy slate clean, we did a draft today for the rest of the season, what would the top 12 picks be? Isn't as easy as I thought it would be, to be honest, because there's some old reliables that basically there's some overlap from what we would have said at the beginning of the season. But there's also some new ones and it's like, do we trust these guys? Do you think this is going to continue? So that was the dilemma and it's going to be fun to kind of get into these. I thought the top 10 was easy and the order of the top 10 was very difficult. You could convince me a huge range of what the actual order should be.

But I'm actually pretty confident in the people themselves. Right. And you're right, D.K., like, a lot of these guys, the Dalvin Cooks, the Zeks, you're like, all right, these guys have been reliable, they've been around forever, can I trust them to just kind of get back to what they normally do for the rest of the season? And then you've got these young rookies

and second year players that you're like, oh my God. Can I trust these guys? Yeah, what I've reached and actually just take Jamar Chase, we'll find out. We'll find out. All right, so we'll get to that. First up, real quick, I just want to go through the consensus top 12 we had between the three of us like we did for the fantasy guide today. We're just going to be doing our rankings.

We averaged them. Our rankings for preseason was Christian McCaffrey first, Dalvin Cook, second, Zeke Elliott third, Derek Henry fourth, whoops, Alvin Camer fifth, Aaron Jones, sixth, Devonte Adams seventh, Tyre Kill eighth, Stephon Diggs, ninth, Austin, Eckler, 11th, and we had Joe Mixing 12th. So we're going to go through basically We've all ranked what our top 12 would be We've averaged them together

This ranking is the top 12 composite So there's no one to yell at for this Other than ourselves So you guys can just all email us At ringer fantasy football at gmail.com And tell us we're stupid Because today we'll just be talking about How we're all really smart, I guess.

If you haven't done power hour with us before As the name implies We're going to talk for a couple minutes And then you're going to hear this sound But have we replaced the bell Yes. Finally. Are we able to do it, Craig?

Yes, we are, I think. Parentheses, I think. Yes, we are. So we're replacing it with, we had a lot of great submissions by everybody. Thank you so much for emailing us. Your ideas, they were all great.

The one we ended up going with is, as you all know, we have been trying to get Mariah Carey's song Fantasy as our intro song. That has proven to be unfruitful so far, however. Well, never say die. Right, true. Yeah, I mean, like, we're still hoping

that someone out there, someone that's listening, knows Mariah Carey, or knows some of Mariah Carey's people. Or Mariah Carey is listening herself. We've chased down all the leads we've gotten so far. Hasn't worked out quite yet. Yeah, you know how they say, what is it, Goonies Never Say Die? We're Danny's Never Say Die. That's our phrase.

But we're going to go with this. So Mariah Carey, in the song Fantasy, samples the song, Genius of Love, by Tom Tom Club. And it's the exact same beat. We're going to use this sound, and that will be what signifies that we need to move on to the next round. It's Tom Tom Club.

We're using Mariah Carey any way we can. Okay? It really gets me going. It's such a good beat. I never even like Fantasy by Mariah Carey. I've always been a huge TomTom Club guy. I've always loved Tom Cruise. Totally.

That's always just been like whenever I was just, you know. So today we are Dan Dan, Dan Club. Dan Dan, wow. I'm excited. I'm very excited. Tom Tom Club number one pick. Rest the season, baby. Rest of season, top 12.

It is the rest of the season Tom, Club. That's the real rest of the season here. Okay, so rest of the season, actual, I'm actually doing it this time. Rest the season, consensus, top 12, my consensus, I mean, the three of us averaged our own rankings. Number one pick, it's Derek Henry for the Titans.

Wait, Craig, start the talk, Clark the clock. Oh my God, you're right. Okay, sorry. This is the only guy, by the way. It's unanimous. It's the only guy we all agreed on. Yeah, yeah. Who else were we going to pick?

I mean, can you imagine if we had someone else first? Would everyone have to stop listening to this podcast? If you had to pick somebody else, is it, is it the guy we have number two, or would you pick somebody who has more of a higher ceiling like a Christian McCaffrey? So I think that's a ridiculous question because that's what we talk about for the number two guy. You should probably talk with Derek Henry here. I guess it's just so obvious.

Derek Henry is the number one fantasy running back. Deky, do you have the numbers on Derek Henry? I have some numbers on him. So first of all, according to fantasy points, he's number one overall in football and expected fantasy points per game. Not really that surprising. Considering his 17 game pace, he is on pace first, 466, fucking carries, which is insane. He's on pace for almost like 500 touches this season, which is, I mean, I don't even really

know what to think of that. I'm going to look up 2020. I want to see where 500 touches, if you just divide that by two, I wonder where that would stack up last season. So he's on, yeah, he's on pace for almost 500 touches. He's on pace to gain 2,110 yards on the ground, 24 touchdowns, almost 2,500 total scrimmage yards. That's his pace currently.

He's like lapping the field when it comes to overall. usage at the running back position. I really don't think there is even a close number two here. Like he was the overall number one easily, I would say. And it's just, well, number one, it's usage, but also he's awesome. He's amazing. He's extremely talented. He's impossible to stop.

He's inevitable. I could keep going if you want. But yeah, he's Derek Henry. Okay, I just looked it up. So Derek Henry's 209 touches already this season. That would rank 17th last season. Like he already is outpaced. all but seven. Like Nick Chubb, he had more than Nick Chubb

did the entire last year. Derek Henry has more touches than Antonio Gibson did all of last year. And basically give him one more, if you give him one more game, he'll probably get into, he'll be flirting with the top ten. He kind of looks like he did in high school. You know those high school tape of him, which is dominating everybody? That kind of is his 2021. Okay, so, all right, we're going to respect Tom, Tom.

Do you guys, I mean, we don't talk enough about how his nickname is El Tractorsito. How whom calls him that, though? That is the best nickname. I've seen people call him. him that on Twitter. Really? Yeah. That's not a real nickname.

It's a thing. It's a real thing. A nickname needs to be a mix of online and also offline culture. Like, it's not a nickname if only people call you something online. I feel like it, okay, this is maybe in the gray area. There's certainly like on pro football ball reference, they list all the nicknames of like the, of like each player or whatever. And there's several for Tom Brady that are like literally no one has ever called.

No, that's a, that's a running bit though. The reference, they'll add any nickname they find. I just, I'm going to pull up Tom Brady. really quick because I'm curious now. The basketball ones are even worse. Tom Brady, TB12, that's definitely something people call him. Tom terrific. Touchdown Tom. The Pharaoh?

No. Fuck that. Comeback kid? No. He's not a kid. He's 44 years old. Sir? Just sir? No, just this. I love pro football reference. They're great at stats. They're very bad at Nickner. We are not respecting the time.

We do not respect Tom, Tom. We have to get, we're one thing in here. We already disrespect to Tom Tom. Tractor Sito. Okay. Let's move on. Number two running back. No, number two running back. Number two player that we would take for rest of the season,

Austin Echler running back for the charges. Echler is actually the running back too in points per game in the season. My question is, Dika, do you actually think he can keep that up? I do because he's getting the usage that you really want to see, especially like he's getting all the goal line touches. He's basically the three down back more or less for this team. They do spell him here and there with the other guys. The problem is the other guy.

whether it's Larry Roundtree, Josh Kelly, Justin Jackson, none of them are good. So, you know, like their head coach, Brandon Staley, pretty logical, smart guy. He's like the analytical nerds, like, favorite coach. He's like, I think people are starting to consider him as like a top five coach already,

even though he's been in the job for like six months. But, yeah, he knows that he knows where's bread is better. He knows how to use his best players. He knows to use his best players. So I think that's why Echler has done so well. he's averaging 12 rushes almost 60 yards on the ground plus five targets four and a half catches and 40 yards through the air this year getting the goal line work like I said yeah he's just been awesome I think that all of the hubbub about Herbert and Mike Williams has kind of dampened like the yeah the chatter around Austin Echler he had that huge 2019 year where he kind of won everybody who had him on their team in their fantasy league he was averaging 16 points a game in 2019 16 fantasy points this year he's averaging 19 fantasy points your game. Like, he's destroying that breakout season he had in 2019. And they have the seventh easiest remaining schedule for running backs for the remainder of the year. So if we all agree

that Joe Brady brought a St.Sysk offense to the Chargers and that Mike Williams kind of has the Michael Thomas role, are we saying that we have like 20 seconds last year? Are we saying that Alvin Camara, the role in New Orleans has now gone to Austin Eccler, D.K.? Yeah. In fact, well, and you said Joe Brady, you met Joe Lombardi. But regardless, yeah, I mean, I think so. But also I feel like he's getting more carries even than you would have seen with Camara. Actually, I guess if you're looking at the averages, it's about right. Yeah, 12 rushes per game. That's about what Camara was averaging with the Saints.

So, I mean, this is pretty much in line with the Camara usage. And I'm not saying he's Camara, but he's pretty fucking good. Like, he's up there in terms of his talent, his explosiveness. I wouldn't say he's Camara, but... What's his nickname? Pound for pound? He's close. Pound for pound.

Great nickname, too. Just the one-armed pull-ups, which is incredible. Okay, number three player we would take rest of the season going forward. Zeke Elliott, Cowboys running back. Zeke's the RB4 and points per game this season. I feel like ranking Zeeke now is like still the same as ranking before the season. I don't know if the high and upside's there. I don't know if Zeek's going to be a top two running back,

but I am so confident that he will be a top guy. I don't know if he will be the top guy, but he just feels so safe. Consistent. Other than Derek Henry, he might be the guy that I am the most confident that he will finish in the top five at his position, even more than somebody like Echler. Yes, exactly.

Like the volatility is there. Even the durability. Like, we don't know if Echler can get through the whole season. I don't, sorry for pound king doing the one-arm pull-ups, but like, Zeke, I mean, maybe I'm jinxying right now, but like has barely been injured in like his five-year career. I just, there's so many reasons Zika's just safe. So it kind of makes them hard to, it almost becomes less about our ranking more about your personal preference of how much do you want upside versus safety.

But like, I don't know, Zieg's going to be good. I like, I feel very validated about our Zieg take. from the preseason because I don't remember if we were like much higher on him than consensus. We were pretty, you know, there was definitely a lot of concern about Zeke, you know, the idea that Pollard is better than him, which, hey, maybe it's true. I just stand on the side, like, they're just different. They're just different style players. But he's looked awesome. He's looked, he's looked very explosive, like he's slimmer. He slimmed down, which we were talking about in the preseason. I think that showed up on the field. And the most importantly,

the Cowboys offense is really, really good. And they're back to running. So all these things like together, it's just really, he's been really solid. And like you guys said, consistent, reliable. You know, he's going to go out there and score points, and they're going to utilize them all over the field and in the passing game. And I believe they're getting one of their star, O. Lyman, L. Collins is coming back. Yep. He was suspended for...

Five games or something? Shenanigans when it came to... Skirting a drug test. Truck testing, yeah. It's shenanigans is the perfect word. Oh, my God. The rare time when you appeal of suspension to actually make it longer.

Yeah, that was not. Talk about your all-time backfires. The number four player we would take rest of the season, Scooper Cup. Yeah, the first receiver off the board. So I think this is simple. He literally has the most fantasy points

through seven games ever for wide receiver. That's crazy. Understated. When you think about all the great wide receiver seasons we've had, Randy Moss in 2007, Devante Adams last year, Michael Thomas's 152 catch season. Cups beating all of those.

It's crazy. It's otherworldly. It's kind of hard to believe it. It's hard to not rank him number one. Like I think the question is like, are we buying this? Are you buying Bitcoin at the all-time high? Like, are you buying Cooper Cup to take him number one ahead of everyone? The answer is yes for me for very simple reason.

Devante Adams says COVID. Tyree Killis is quad injury. At the top, like that's actually enough of a differentiator for me to be honest. Cooper Cup is great because it. Like we talked about this before the year. One of my biggest selling points on Cooper Cup. And I talked about Robert Woods. The Robert Woods one is ending up looking like in hindsight is looking like a little bit of a miss because obviously Cooper Cup is going off.

And Robert Woods has just been fine. But the thing that I love about Cup is the combination of floor and ceiling. Like he has an incredible floor. But he's also got this just like freakish ceiling where he could catch like 200 yards and three touchdowns in a game. And it wouldn't like you wouldn't back. Matt and I about it. We probably barely talk about it because it's like standard for him at this point. He's on pace for 136 catches, 1,964 yards and 22 touchdowns. He has an NFL best, 34% target rate. And crucially, and high-fascist goes to what you're asking, like, is this

like sustainable? Like, does it feel sustainable? Does it feel flukeish? Everything is easy for this guy. It like- It never looks so different. Ian Hartetz has put together a like a cut up of like all his touchdowns. It's like he's wide open on like 90% of them. He's just waltzing into the end zone. So it's not even like he's doing one thing really well where it's like,

oh, he's just a touchdown machine this year. Or he's a yards machine. He's everything. He leads the all-wire receivers and targets, catches, yards, and touchdowns. Like, he's just doing everything. Yeah. So good job.

Cover cap. Okay. Number five guy we would take rest of the season. Dalvin Cook, running back for the Vikings. This one's boring, but... Very boring. his this was a hard guy to rank because again it's it's like you guys know who dalvin cook is it's just more like a

personal preference thing his point per game members don't reflect his play he's been good when he's been healthy but if he were 100% healthy i think dalvin cook would be second for me behind eric henry yeah but he had that ankle injury and it's not a terrible injury he's probably already over it but it just makes me nervous enough that i wouldn't take him before number five but i landed on him here this is he's flying under the radar um this season, I think. A lot of it has to do with the injury for sure, but also just, I don't know, we just haven't really talked about it much, even though when he has been playing, he's looked pretty damn good.

I think this, and this is the second half of the season, so rest of season rankings, would it surprise you at all if he's like a top two, top three running back in the second half the season? No, not at all. No, and when he's healthy, they feed him. He's only had three healthy games this year. In those games, he said over 20 carries in all of them. Like they... But it's actually, he has actually much better than that, because if you have Dalman

Cook and you managed to get Alex Madison. You've basically got the three games from Cook, the two games where Madison was the starter in Madison, I believe, had 20. 20 points. I think he had 20 points plus. Yeah. So, like, you're kind of cooking. It's kind of like if you had McCaffrey and Mike Davis last year, you still had like a top

three running back for the whole season. Yeah. So, I mean, I, the only scenario that's bad is when Cook and Madison are both playing and they split, but even then, Cook is unbelievable. The Vikings running game is unbelievable. They feed the whole offense through them. So it's, I mean, Cook is. really good.

I was going to say cook is cooking, but I cannot stand the cooking as a... I like the... My favorite pun is let Dalvin cook. I hate it. You like that, D.K.? I love it. It's really funny. It makes me laugh. Have you guys heard, like, the nickname for Alexander Madison,

and you just say his name in the jingle of the Hamilton musical, Alexander Madison? Oh, see, that's a good... That's great. That's creative. Love it. Wow. Let Dalvin Cook is creative. too, fucker. Why do you think dad jokes are a thing?

Is it because you just stop hanging out with other people? Yeah, your bar for humor just drops to the floor. What's that Tyrion-Lannister line that like books are to the mind what a wet stone is to a sword? And it's like once you're not around other people,

like your comedic sword just dulls because you don't have anyone to sharpen it against. Is that really what we're talking about here? Jesus Christ, man. It was a hypothetical. Maybe. Also, like, it's so easy to make kids laugh. Maybe it's just like you.

That's actually. That's the real answer. You start to think you're like a professional stand-up comic and you're making fart jokes for 10 years. Pretty much, pretty much. Wow, okay. My kid thinks I'm hilarious. All right.

All right. Number six player we would take rest of the season. It's Alvin Camara running back for the Saints. I still can't get over that Camer had eight catches for 109 receiving yards in a touchdown at half. Last night. By the way, they actually kind of did bottle them up a little bit in the second half. To the Seahawks credit, as much as I hate giving them credit for it. and there was a point in the second half

where they double teamed him and lo and behold no one else could get open. Who could have thought? I can't prove it took him that long to realize he's their best player and doesn't matter as the running back. He's their best receiver.

You had a whole week to figure that out. The team should have, the Monday Night Football team should have somebody listening to the Manning broadcast because Brady is just sitting there being like, yeah man, I mean, I would just,

on this plate, I think you gotta get Camara open. And like, they just talked about Camara for like the whole game. Somebody needs to be like, hey, if three Hall of Fame quarterbacks talking about how the only good guy on the Saints is out of Camara, maybe guard him. This was the funniest thing. Watching the Tom Brady Manning cast was, first of all, it just didn't be a nerd.

Like, it was really cool. Like, it was cool to watch, like, the greatest player ever who is not, like, an former player. Like, he literally had one of the best games of, right? He's the most dominant wins of his career, like, yesterday is sitting here watching this game. They're playing the Saints in a week. You're like, oh, my God. And he's sitting there, and on one hand, he's talking about QB Sneaks and all this nuanced, detailed stuff. And the next moment, he's like, like, like, you're like, you're like,

Camara scores and he's like, yeah, he's 109 yards, I'd cover him in the red zone. Oh, man. Yeah, I loved that. Highfitz and I did the green room last night after the game and we just kind of gushed about how cool it was to listen to Marshawn Lynch and Tom Brady talk ball the whole game.

It was really fun. But anyway, back to Camerra. So, Marshall was cursing the whole time was incredible. I texted Hyphitz. I was like, is he allowed to curse on this? I don't know what the rules are. And Hyphitz is like, no, he's not. Of course he's not.

ESPN. No cursing. ESPN, no cursing. ESPN, two, whatever you want to say. ESPN, the Ocho, you could kill somebody. ESPN the Ocho.

ESPN the Ocho, there's full penetration. Oh, wow. So really quick, the wrap up, Alvin Camara. Disrespecting Tom, Tom. The targets haven't been really where you want them to be necessarily this year

on a consistent basis, but it was really encouraging the last two games. He's seen eight targets and then 11 targets last night. He does have By the way, after all that, an NFL best, 21% target rate, and that's NFL best among running backs.

And crucially, he's averaging 19 rushes per game. Last year, it was 12.5. It was basically throughout his whole career. It's never gone much higher than like 12, 12. 12 and a half per game. And now he's averaging career bests in volume. So I think Camara is the real deal. And then the second half could have actually a better second half than at the first half.

But that'll change when Thomas comes back. will it? I mean, I guess like, maybe marginally. The rest of the team sucks. Marginally, I just don't, I don't think that Peyton has any fucking,

like, trust that James is going to do anything. Like, they don't trust their passing game whatsoever. Yeah, but it's, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because their receivers are awful.

So what's James supposed to do? Yeah, we'll see. You're probably right, like, it'll marginally decrease, but I'm still just not very confident that they're going to let James

cut it loose, regardless of who's down the field. I feel bad for him. He's not too good of it. He's on too shitty of a team and he's too good of a player. I mean, he's had a good run already, so. Yeah. I don't agree with what Craig just said.

He feels like Steph Curry on the Warriors last year where he was averaging 32 a game just to like maybe become like a 10 seat in the playing. I'm like, ah, we're wasting prime stuff. First of all, the Saints literally had the best record in the NFL in the regular season for like the first four years of Camara's career. I have no tears for him. There are much better players and worse teams. Also, aren't the Saints four and two?

They're like probably going to make the playoffs. Yeah, I know. Just Cameras 26. He's playing with January. just no, D.K., it's Craig's warped idea of what a bad team is because he just stuff Curry. How many championships did Steph Curry win? And he's like, poor stuff Curry out of one bad season. Please. Get out of here, Craig. Okay. Number seven players you want to rest of the season. Real quick, before we move from that

note, watching the Manning brothers last night, I was reminded of you two. Like how they are giving each other shit. You could tell like Eli was really annoyed because because Peyton wore the same shirt or same sweater as him. He's like getting on his case about it. Anyways, you guys kind of remind me of those guys. You guys are like bickering brothers is my point. No, I get that, but Peyton wore the jersey because he lost the bet to Eli. No, Eli was mad because Peyton Manning wore Peyton Manning.

Eli Manning was mad because Peyton Manning wore the same sweater as him. And they talked about it beforehand. Like Eli was saying like, Peyton, you asked me what I was going to wear. They wore the same like quarter zip. Blue quarter zip sweater. I don't think Craig and I have ever worn the same clothes to a podcast, although we both have backward hat rights now. So we're Tom Brady, basically.

Yeah. It's a millennial version of a quarter-suit. Tom looks very manicured in his setup. Your backwards dad caps. I thought Brady was really likable, and I thought Brady was like the most relaxed I've ever seen him, which I could, I mean, I actually thought the conversation between Brady and Peyton

was the most, or maybe the least bullshit I've ever heard between like A-less celebrities on live. TV. Yeah, it's pretty good. What did you think of the breeze section? What I think a breeze is bless his heart, he's going to get better being on TV. Yeah. There was one moment where they asked him, does this offense look the same to you? Like, what do you think? Does this offense look the same as when you were running it? He was like, he paused for a good like 40 seconds. And then he was like, I mean, it's the same plays as if you're like, just massive shade at Jamis.

No, but then he stammered and he couldn't really answer it. And Peyton was like, we're going to go to commercial. We're going to let Drew think about that. Drew, that was a thinker of a question, right? And I was like, that's why the Manningcast is funny is because he could, like, he can just give them shit. It's excellent. Yeah. Number seven player, we would draft rest of the season is Jonathan Taylor for the Colts.

Yeah. Yeah. He's been great. He's been great. He's been great. Over the last three weeks, Colts are coming to their own. I kind of think of there's one player here that would be RB1 rest of the season over Derek Henry.

Jonathan Taylor is sneakily really high on the list. It's kind of just like. like last year, right? I feel like he started off slow, kind of picked it up mid to late season, and then just absolutely exploded, and maybe he'll do it again. And he has a great rest of the season's schedule, too. Yeah, and Carson Wentz has been

better than expected to, or at least lately, and so that definitely raises the floor of this offense in terms of, he has a chance to score more touchdowns. Well, has he been better than expected? Oh, yeah. I thought he was going to be terrible. And he's been fine. But like,

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, because while he did play all right in the Niners game, I can't mentally get past the shovel pass he through. I mean, I'm not saying that he's been good. I've been saying he's been better than expected, which that was a low bar for me personally. So maybe I'm just speaking subjectively. But I guess just the overall,

the Colts offense has been better. They're going to get more healthy on the offensive line. Jonathan Taylor, in terms of pure talent as a runner, is up there. You know, he's in the top four or five as best pure runners in the NFL, maybe even higher than that. He had an incredible run against,

the nineers where I thought he was going to get bottled up and he just like zipped ahead of everyone. Looks like he was fast forwarded. He is incredibly fast. Pure running talent. Where do you put him? I think Chubb is certainly up there. I don't know where you would put Derek Henry

because we've talked about this. He's just massive. He just runs straight. We need a new 40-yard dash for a couple of reasons. One of which is I want to measure the acceleration. And two, why do we let any of these players in the 40-yard dash line up in a three-point stance? Why don't they have

Why don't the running backs have to run to the running back position? It would be hilarious if they had to do everything in pads. I think it would be fun. Seriously.

Why do they not? Why don't they? Because of 40 years of precedent and they want to be able to measure these guys relative to people in prior seasons.

So that's why. Why did they start that way? I don't know. There you go, Hyatt is unbelievable. That she was a good answer. Okay. Boom.

Number eight player we take rest of the season. It's Nage Harris. Steelers running back. I love Natch Harris before the season. he's, Nogieris is the thing where the doubters and the

the believers, everyone was right. Najee Harris is not coming off the field. He is one of three running backs with more than 20 touches per game and also the Steelers' offense is kind of gross. So it's not efficient, but he is just an unbelievable running back. He's top six. If the Steelers get any semblance of a good quarterback next year,

Najee's like a top five pick. I think he's already a top five picked for next year, honestly. Yeah, yeah, maybe. I mean, God, he's so consistent. It's just the touches that they're giving him. He hasn't had less than 16 ppr, half-p-pr points since week one. Like, he's just the same every week.

He's like 16 to 20 points every week. Devil's advocate. If they get a better quarterback, does that actually make him worse? Because they're not going to be dumping it off to him 17 times a game? Probably fair. I think the wild thing is, again, the reason he plays so much is just a Mike Tomlin thing. Like, Mike Tomlin is just one of the, you guys left, it's just an old school.

Like, yeah, the running back should play all the time. This is the Philip Rivers corollary. If you're dumping it off to him. Oh, yeah. Every time. But I think that's like Big Ben's style. So I don't know. Bottom line, it doesn't matter.

He's Big Ben's there this year. We can talk about next year later. Do you think, but this year, do you think Nage is going to keep this up? Do you think he actually could get better? Absolutely. The offensive line has been getting better each week. Like, they look better than they, did in week one, and I think the offense

looks a little bit stronger, plus juju's out the rest of the year. So yeah, I think he can get better. Because here's the crazy thing, because Nage basically is second and touches, or he's tied for third. It's like Derek Hedrie is way ahead of everyone, and then there's Alvin Camara and Naja Harris, but Nagee only has like four touchdowns this year,

which compared to the, I mean, the hundred and what if 40 touches, the guys, is actually almost low. If the Steelers, I should get better, I could see a world where Nage actually goes up from number six. Yeah. But he's number eight for us overall. number nine player that we would take rest of the season

is Devante Adams for the Packers. He is only, I'm doing air quotes, only the wide receiver for this season. And I think the only reason I have him number two is that I think him having COVID and we don't know how long that'll last. It was enough for me to put Cooper Cup ahead of him, but he's still

Devonthe Adams. He's incredible. I mean, it speaks to his talent that he's kind of had a quiet year, yet he's second in the league and targets and third in yards. Yeah, I saw from FantasyPoint.com, have him in their expected points metric. He's sixth overall. How many players is being the fourth receiver, like, kind of disappointing?

I don't even think it's disappointing. It's just, he's just been quiet. It's just been a quiet dominance for whatever, however the hell you want to describe that. Don't you know, it's like, we just haven't really talked about him a lot this year for whatever reason. The Packers in general, there's just been, like, this is like the MVP conversation we had the other day. There's just so much going on across the league.

There's so many new, like, Jamar Chase's Justin Herbert's popping up that, like, like the packers are just like yeah been there done that it's so true because the the flaw with all of this especially the MVP voting and this stuff is that it's everyone just measured against their expectations so now everyone's bailing on the chiefs and being like mohomes sucks Patrick mohomes literally had i think five touchdowns and seven drives against the eagles and stephen ruis pointed out that the NFL didn't even make him a highlight video he had five touchdown passes they did not make him a highlight video like that that is just the expectation from Holmes, and we're only going to really talk about him now that he's gone down,

and then we'll talk about what he goes back on. Devante's like that. Devonty doesn't matter that the Packers basically have one receiver and then five guys who are number four receivers. They move him around. Everyone knows he's getting the ball. He gets it. It's like he's the Derek Henry is a receiver. It's like everyone knows Devonty's getting the ball in every play. He still gets it done. It defies logic. It's, he's, it is unbelievably dominant. Is COVID, is the fact that he's on the COVID list right now, the only reason he's not higher? Probably. Yeah. I mean, I feel like because he's going to, he's surely missing this week.

And that's kind of like the only reason he's not higher. Yeah, and we'll see what happens in the future. Like, you know, if he's asymptomatic, that's obviously good. Okay. Number 10, we've got here, we got Tyree Kiel, receiver for the Chiefs. So Tyree is actually the receiver three on this season. He's been top two twice so far the season, but he's got the quad injury. So I had him lower.

I actually have him lower than 10. But look, first of all, I think the Chiefs are going to rebound. I'm not. Are you guys worried about the Chief's offense at all? No, I'm not. I think everyone's being a little dramatic but obviously they were destroyed by the Titans and obliterated, atomized,

but I'm not actually worried about the Chiefs. Why do you have him lower than 10 then? Just the quad injury. I feel like he had, what did he have? Knee tendonitis in August. Now he's got this quad thing. I just don't like when a guy whose entire game is like entirely speed

has a quad issue. It's like, when you're talking about taking receiver this high, he has to be a top five guy. and if Tyree Kill is diminished at all, that's all. I mean, look, it's a slight bump. You're nitpicking at the top, but it was enough for me to put him third. I still think it's pretty, you know, high. Yeah, I think the other thing is, like, it always feels like there's two or three games every year.

So, like, he has the potential to just, you know, score 40, 50 points in a single week, you know. But there also are seemingly, I don't know if I'm making this up or if it's actually happened, but he always seems to miss, like, three quarters of a game a couple times a year. You know what I mean? He'll go out with a hamstring injury in the first quarter. And so maybe that's just like sort of like my bias against ranking him slightly higher, even though he has like the explosion potential. He's also a little bit more volatile, I think, in terms of like, you know, you can go out early

with an injury, you can miss a game here and there, soft tissue stuff that kind of crops up in any season. So he's played 15. He played 15 games in 2020, 12 and 2019. No, but you're right, D.K. I mean, he's not like he's missing tons of time, but he's. Tyree Kill avoids hits like he's a quarterback. I mean, which I kind of actually appreciate that early.

Like he really treats it. Like the way everyone wishes Lamar Jackson runs or the way people like at first were like, oh, Kyler's got to run. Like Tyree Kill does that all the time. It's honestly really smart. It's like a sign of being a veteran, I feel like because when these guys start to like

not take unnecessary hits. Yeah. All right. Number 11 player we would take rest of the season is Nick Chubb, the Brown's running back. You guys are higher than I am, which is funny because I was higher than you guys entering the season.

I just had no idea to do with this. calf injury. I mean, how do you guys, DeK, what do you think of like balancing Chubb? On one hand, he's come back from his calf injury. On the other hand, Kareem Hunt is out. Like, what do you, why do you have Nick Chubb's side? I mean, I think obviously the big thing is, I think Chubb's potential is capped. Under normal circumstances, his upside is capped because Kareem Hunt is in a heavy, they're in a heavy rotation with each other. Like, Kareem Hunt is the past catching guy. He's the guy that comes in and two minutes drills, all this stuff. And he's been sniping all these touchdowns from Chubb the last two seasons.

So in theory, you take that cap, you take that ceiling off of what Chub can do if he gets a little more work. And it's really exciting and thought of like what he could do with more volume is exciting. However, then you have the calf issue, the calf injury that you have kind of like in the back of your mind, like this could reoccur, this could get, you could get hurt again. You have the idea that maybe the Browns are just going to like replace Cream Hunt's role with Deerness Johnson. Deerness Johnson looked really good in that game that he got all the action.

So maybe they just do a time share with him instead. And they don't want to push it too much with his calf injury. So, like, I don't really know exactly what to do with this guy, but he's so talented. And the Brown's identity is so centered around him and what he can do. That's the reason I'm still very high on him rest of the season. I think he has with Hunt out, he has potential to be, I think, at least marginally more volume per game, that he has the potential to, like, raise that ceiling just a little bit in each game. So, I mean, we got him at 11.

I don't think that's like crazy high or crazy low. It feels just about right for him going forward. Yeah, Nick Chubb's kind of one of the... He's in the Travis Kelsey bin for me where every year I won't draft him and every year he starts out this season really well. And I'm like, damn, Nick Chub, man. He's the Derek Henry kind of thing where I'm like, he doesn't catch passes.

And then every season he has 100 yards a game and a touchdown on this awesome Brown's offense and I regret it. So that's why I'm actually finally putting him in the top 12 and sticking with it. There's a thing with fantasy where sometimes you have to ignore your personal feelings or biases about how good a player is when you draft them because they're just going to get the volume.

It doesn't matter how good they are if they're going to get the volume. Chub is the guy who is like, he's not going to get the volume you want, but he's so fucking good. Every time you watch him play, you're just like, damn it, I want that guy off my team because he's so explosive.

He can turn any run into like an 80 or a touchdown. So I don't know. He's just a tough one, I think in general, because of the way that they use him. All right. Number 12 guy you want on a team rest of the season. We have DeAndre Swift for the Lions.

He's the RB 7 by points per game. DeAndre Swift has leads all running backs and catches. So why do we have him at 12? Do we like not believe in him? I don't think it's not believing necessarily. I think it is still a situation where he is in a rotation. We did. Also, by the way, we did this, I think, as a half PPR.

So like he loses a slight amount of value because he's like purely like sort of their passing down guy. Did you do PBR? I did this as points per first down only. God damn. I did this exercise. Yeah. And then I think also, I know, I got that.

I think also just for everyone listening. I didn't actually. Just the idea that he hasn't really done it for a whole season is certainly like there in the back of your mind. Like you're not quite ready to completely buy into like what we saw in the first half. However, like everything that we've seen so far is super, super promising. And exactly what we kind of were hoping the best case scenario would be. this is a team that's always losing.

They're always playing with that negative game script where they're going to have to come from behind and they're going to have to pass a lot. He's their guy in that. He's third so far the season among running backs and target rate. He has a 19% target rate, so he's getting a good amount of targets every week.

I saw this from Graham Barfield. Swift is averaging 13.3 PPR receiving points per game alone. His receiving work alone would make him the RB19 and the receiver 34 this year. plus he's getting all that work in the run game too. So for reference, says Graham, Christian McCaffrey has averaged 14.7 fantasy points per game as a receiver. So Christian McCaffrey is a better runner than D'Andre Swift.

So it's not a one-to-one reference. But the bottom line is Swift is getting a really, really great amount of work in the receiving game, and he's looked really good doing it. So, yeah, I mean, it feels to me like he's here to stay. I also don't think we're that low on him. I mean, we have him as the overall player number 12, and this is a ranking of all players. I mean, he's the overall 16th best scoring player in the league right now.

We have him 12th in our ranking, so I feel like we're actually a little bit high on him. I know, I almost feel like this is a little bold. I don't know what the actual consensus would be across, like, the fantasy industry, but it does feel like pretty bold to put him in our first round. Right, yeah, like amongst tight ends, wide receivers, and running backs, he is 16th in points per game. So we have 12.

I actually think, I mean, I have, actually, hi-ifers, did you put him into top 12? I don't think I did. I think I was just a touch outside. Yeah, I had him at 14th. I had guys like Jamar Chase and Mike Williams a little bit ahead of him. You had, oh, I was going to say if you had them in the top 12. The only guy had, if I could speak English, the only guy had in my top

12 who I think you guys missed was, I had, I still have Kelsey there. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. That's fine. Are there any other players as you guys were doing this that you were struck by, not whether they should be in the top 12, but you were struck by how much their value has changed. Yeah, I mean, I think the first person, well, two guys really come to mind.

And Craig, you just mentioned, Mike Williams and Jamar Chase. For Jamar Chase in particular, I don't know if I'm 100% ready to say that he's going to continue at this tour at pace. I think he's been 100% as advertised. Like, he's lived up to the hype in every way. Like, he's setting new records. He's the most, he scored more points in seven games than any rookie receiver ever. However, I think he is out producing his volume and his, uh, potential, like, he's outpacing his expected fantasy points.

And a lot of that has to do with, like, the play we saw on Sunday, where he took a little slant and turned it into an 80-yard touchdown. Is that something that he can do each and every week? I mean, he's certainly capable of it, but I don't think it's necessarily going to happen each and every week going forward. So I think he's going to regress slightly as the year goes on. That's not me saying I think he's bad or that he's not, you know, one of the most incredible receivers we see,

one of the most incredible prospects we've seen. I just don't know if he can necessarily keep up this exact pace that he's on right now. That's that he's still going to be a wide receiver one this season, which is insane to think about because we were worried about him dropping a couple passes at the preseason. So it's just, I think it's just really fun to see, but I'm not quite ready to be top 12 overall player yet. What are you guys think? Hi Fitz. Are you currently tweeting?

Someone tweeted that asked me, babe, yes, I was. I added Craig. I just got to mention from hyphins on Twitter. And I'm like, what? We're doing? We're in the middle of a podcast. And he's just on Twitter. Well, someone, Alan Lazard is on the COVID list.

And we recommended him as, this just happened. And we recommended him as a pickup because Devante abs of the COVID list. So someone added me and I said blame Craig because everyone, Craig touts. Something goes wrong. This is your millennial brain unable to focus on anything. You got nine devices going at once. Oh, I can still focus. Come on, Craig.

Who's your guy? Your player that most out did. expectations. Shut up, man. Can I throw out one more guy here? Mike Williams and Jamar Chase, obviously, were close. Yeah. If Sequin Barclay was a little bit healthier, it seems maybe now like the Giants kind of botched the diagnosis once again on his ankle.

Batched it. But like... Batched it. What's that from? Sonny, can we play that clip with... It's Frank with the toe knife in Charlie's apartment. Batched it. Batched it. Oh, oh, botched. Oh, I botched that one. Oh, that's a botched job. That's bleeding.

I need some trash to plug up the cut. So we have like, Devante Adams is going to miss a game. We still have him ranked. If Sequin was only going to miss one more game, would he be close to your guys as top 12? I think the thing that I wish everyone, talk about memento tattoos, is like the Giants' offense is still pretty bad with Sequan in it.

I mean, I guess now maybe I should really update myself because I feel like Daniel Jones is playing better and I actually would be interested in Seekwan. in an offense where like the John's offense is improving. So maybe, yeah, I suppose we should put him in that. I guess he's in range right with Christian McCaffrey. I guess actually maybe he'd even be ahead of McCaffrey because do we really know McCaffrey's going to come back by week 10?

He's the hardest one to rank of everyone. He's tough. I mean, obviously he would have been in the first round if he was healthy. Also, what are they going to do? Push him to come back if the Panthers. I mean, if the Panthers are out of the playoff picture by that time, I think that does change the priorities whether they would admit that or not. But either way, I think you're right, Craig.

I mean, a couple other guys, I just want to throw out there that were sort of like on our radars in terms of the first round. Darrell Henderson with the Rams, obviously coming off of a tough week where he didn't do quite as much as we were expecting, but he's got that three-down roll locked in on an elite offense. Debo Samuel, who arguably could or should be higher, I don't know if we just, I don't think we trust that offense. I think we just kind of refuse to acknowledge the Niners. I think we're just like, no. I know. The Niners are not... Yeah. It's, you know what,

they're not, they're just... The Niners are like your mercurial friend. And like, everyone's talked about how they great they are. Like, the Shanahan... Bill was talking about this in the Papa Sal. Like, everyone's just been so obsessed with Kyle Shanahan. And then, like, obviously, the Niners are not playing well. And Kyle Shannon's record as head coach is below 500.

So he's losing his team there. For us on the fantasy side, it's kind of like, we're just so sick of this crazy behavior. Like, the, I mean... Ayyuk and the sermon getting benched that I just can't deal with this anymore. I can't live like this. I'm not going to buy that Debo Samuel

is going to be a top three wide receiver the rest of the season with shitty Jimmy G or Trey Lance. I'm good. No, watch him do it. But like I just, I can't, that's not me. He's a second rounder. Early second round. You think he's a, you would take him in second round.

You would take Debo in the second round. It's not an insult. He's like a 30-something percent target rate. He's the only guy that, they're throwing to. He's in the 20s for me. I just... I think I agree with that. It's not an insult. I'm just not trusting the Niners. I don't want to deal with them. Can we... All right, let's get to some emails. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We have to talk about this. Did you

guys see the report that Cam Acres might play in the playoffs? Yeah, what the hell is that? Are you serious? Yes. McVeigh talked about it. I think it was Jordan Rod Rieg from the athletic. I saw her tweet about it that there's a chance and the way that... Cam Acres is already running like he's running on 80% of his weight at 10 miles an hour and he looks great. Oh, I know what that means. I know, well, based on that calculation since it's October, so

my, you know, my great familiarity with Achilles' recoveries. Right. I'm just saying, my boy might be back. That's kind of stunning. It is. I mean, he toured in what, August? I mean, can you think of a more depressing

scenario than him returning, playing good for three plays, and then immediately getting herding? I really hope they don't play him. I hope they do. If he's healthy, let's do it. well if i've learned one thing this season i'm not a doctor so that's fair Craig you said you had an email that you did not want to share with us and you wanted to leave ride yeah right before right i can't speak like read live right before we started the recording today we got an email and it was amazing clickbait shouts out eli because he emailed us this is

the title of the email danny hyfitz ruined my team and my life Wow. First of all, now everyone's going to like to start putting that in the email subject. I don't encourage. Good. I will click every single one of those. He basically is just like, I'm a huge fan of the podcast. I live in L.A.

I love listening to the show while I'm in traffic. He said he's a Giants fan, so he typically listens to Hifitz's advice the most out of the three of us. Woof. He said, he essentially said, I'm picking Hifitz over Craig, and he drafted Mike Davis, or he traded for Mike Davis and gave away two one dollar wide receivers. And those wide receivers that he gave away this year are Mike Williams and Antonio Brown. Oh, no.

For Mike Davis. What you needed to do this year was take my advice in the early part of the draft and Craig's advice in the late because I was right about Nage. I had Nage over Sequin. I think a lot of people thought that was nuts.

But Craig was right about all the Mike Williams guys. This is how he finishes it. High Fitz, your love of Mike, far from Funky David. and your impassioned Mike Williams' skepticism has broken my fantasy heart. My fantasy memento tattoos for the year next year

will be to never trade before week one and to listen to Sean McVeigh's get-back coach Craigmore. Shuts out here. I... Who's that guy's name to Eli? Eli. The fact that it's a Giants fan named Eli, I'm sorry.

I'm just sorry for the Mike Davis radicals. My Mike Davis following, bottom of my heart. You know what, though? I do stand by you. You got to make picks every year. You got to make calls, you know? And they don't always work out. Have a take.

Have a fucking take. The wild thing was that we all kind of agreed that if Mike Davis got 60% of the Falcons snaps at running back, he'd be a good value. The crazy thing is he got them and then he's not even touching the ball anyway. He's worthless. I mean, how did we not foresee a 30-year-old kick returner

being like the fifth best running back in fantasy? That's what's annoying is that, do you remember? I actually went on that rant in August and I was like, Corvillard. And I, did I ever read the list? I had the list of all the coaches. Cordell Patterson's been coached by that said, yeah, we're going to get involved in the game.

And, like, he never cracked more than 300 yards at a season. And, like, every coach has said that they're going to do it. And then somehow it just happened. Not, I'm not using this excuse. I mean, Mike Davis sucks, clearly. He's the Steve, he's the Steve Young of running backs. Yeah.

Anyway, I'm sorry, Eli. Yeah. Sorry, Eli. You were right. Craig, you were right. I was wrong. You were smart. I'm dumb.

You're attracted. I'm ugly. I'm not good looking. All right. Fantasy court time. Yeah. All right. This is a fun one.

This is from Mike. Mike. Mike. My fantasy basketball league needs a judgment on an issue. Fantasy basketball. This is not our normal jurisdiction. Wow.

But I guess we'll do like an emergency injunction or something. Our league has been going on for over 10 years and we take it very seriously. It's probably the only thing that actually gets us fired up. The issue is, last week we drafted our fantasy basketball league on ESPN and everyone was fine getting into the draft except one player who couldn't figure out his login information. We all laughed about him auto-drafting and he was upset, but he didn't say much more than that. He claims he has a shitty team and he's probably right. Two days later, a player in the league accidentally

drops Rich Juan Holmes, who was a sixth round draft pick and then the player asked to get Rich Juan Holmes back on his team. everyone says okay it's a mistake whatever that's fine except the guy who auto drafted who says he didn't get to redraft his team because he made a mistake logging in so this should be a no mistakes allowed league and screw the guy who accidentally dropped rich one holmes who cares if it was an accident the auto draft guy is the first in waiver and he will get rich one holmes in waivers so the guy who got had to do the auto draft has threatened to not pay and quit

the league if he does not get Rishuan Holmes. We all disagree but he has this by the balls because he says we don't want him to quit because it'll ruin the league. I love that he's threatening to quit. Can you imagine Rishwan Holmes causing this many problems in your life? Okay, I got one big question here.

Do they not know? Does the commissioner not know that you can just pause a live draft and wait for the guy to log in? You can pause a draft. I think that that's actually key part of it because I'm assuming that there was some larger issue. I actually had problem getting into the ringer fantasy football league draft. I had to do it for my phone because this is still a thing,

by the way, I don't know if I ever told you guys this. I literally, my Yahoo account won't let me log in on my computer. I've had to do the entire season for my phone. That's neither here nor there. The fact that they, maybe there was a login issue that it was impossible. But if they pressed on not letting him do it, he kind of has a point.

He does. However, so like what, the rest of the year, they're all just going to be sticklers, and anytime somebody makes a mistake, they're just going to say, sorry. I'm sorry, I have no patience for people

that threaten to quit a league based over some little bullshit like this. Like, come on. I will, I refuse to side with this guy. I think he should just, if he made a mistake in dropping the guy,

that player should get Holmes back, and the other guy should shut up. I actually disagree. That is my judgment. I disagree. Dealing with people like this in a fantasy league, come on. This is for fun.

Like, fuck off. I hear what you're saying, but if it's actually like a close friend group and someone's that upset, it's harder than it sounds to be like, fuck off, quit, we don't want,

you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of, I don't know, it's always touchy when like someone actually loses it. And when it's something kind of gray like this, normally I think we all agree,

like generally speaking, if this weren't a vacuum, we'd all say, it's a mistake, let the guy do it. But we also would have said, pause the draft, let the guy draft,

if he's there. That makes no sense. The commissioner is at fault here. I don't understand what I think he has a point. If you're like, you guys are going to give me shit all year to have a terrible fantasy basketball season and I'm just going to have to suck it up. I'm kind of on his side. I think if that's the precedent they've said, yeah, you know what?

Don't drop Rich Juan Holmes by accident. Because if that person who dropped Richan Holmes made fun of him for the auto draft, I think he's right. He should get Richan Holmes. The guy who made the mistake made the mistake. This is going against our precedent as a court. multiple times, multiple moments of precedent here where we said the commissioner should have discretionary power to say, was it a mistake? Yes. Okay, you can have this guy back on your line. We've made this

judgment several times in the past. Why would we change it now? Why would we change it now for some guy who's threatening to quit because he's a little bastard? We're like the opposite of the Supreme Court. If you guys let this guy stay in your league after threatening to quit, you're making your own bed because he's going to be a pain in the ass the entire season. no i think that in some ways we're we're like the opposite of a supreme court where sometimes our job is to look at a league's like a local law like a league specific precedent and be like well if you guys used to do this you have to do this generally speaking our vibe is like don't be an asshole like if a guy makes a mistake you make some mistake but if this league two days earlier was like

nah we're gonna be assholes like it's fun and we're like now you auto draft it sucks to suck you didn't log in we're gonna order draft without you if two days later another guy makes a mistake. The precedent they've said is, we're going to make fun of you for making mistakes. That's fine. The whole point of fantasy is to dick around

with your friends. If you like ragging on guys, that's fine. But I actually think he has a point. Like, two days later, if someone else made a mistake, why does that person get that entirely get a redo? Okay, let me step in here.

So I side more with D.K., but you're right, Haif. I agree. It's almost like it. So if this league wants to take on the persona just we're all assholes, then that's, I guess, just the way it's got to be.

But that's not fun. no one wants to be in a league where like you make one mistake. Like you accidentally drop Luca Donchick and then you just fucked. Like that's not fun. So I think they need to make it up to this kid. They need to make it up to the guy who they made auto draft. I don't know what it is. They should do an expansion draft like hockey.

Everyone can keep like six players and he gets to take like the seventh best player from everything. Honestly, maybe. Here's my suggestion. You let the guy take back Rich Juan Holmes and you do not become an asshole league this year. And my suggestion is that the guy, who was forced to auto draft, he doesn't have to pay this year.

That's pretty good. That's actually a good... That's like, realistically, that's a good... Compromise? That's a good compromise. So, you know, he can't be that mad if he loses. He doesn't lose any money. It's like he's getting monetary damages.

Right. Or this mistake. There's the court thing, and then there's a bigger thing I want to get to. But to D.K.'s point, you're saying, like, we always feel like if someone actually drops a great player, give him back, what's the big deal? I say, if they gave this dude or if they didn't give him a redo two days earlier, why is to get a redo. But I guess my bigger question is, have you guys ever actually been in this situation, which we laugh a lot, but it is actually sometimes kind of awkward if someone

freaks out over something kind of small. It's like, I'm quitting. I don't want to be in a league with anyone who's like trying to hold the league hostage by threatening to quit. If someone does that, I'm like, okay, see ya, I'll find someone else. Like, I don't, who got, who has time for that? Yeah, I've never had anybody threatened to quit either. I've had in a league before someone who, I don't even remember the reason, but he got all mad and he dropped all of his players onto the waivers and was like, fuck you guys.

And we kicked him out of the league. We're like, what are we, 12 years old? Come on. That's like, we're adults. Take your ball and go home, but it's the opposite.

It's like here, here's a bunch of balls. I do like the compromise. I think that's a good idea. And then the winnings will be less. I also think like we're conflating a small error on the waiver which affects no one versus the guy

can't log in, which affects the 11 other people that are logged in and setting aside the time to do this, blah, blah, blah. That's a good argument. This is, this is 11 people are waiting for this draft to start. People have busy lives. We've scheduled this thing. And now you can't log in. And you're not ready. That's different than some guy in thumbing a, like a waiver or whatever and dropping a guy. The rich Eisen. It doesn't affect anyone else. It's called the Rich Eisen. The Rich Eisen. You know what, D.K., that's a good argument. I think, realistically, I would say the recommendation is that if he's actually for freaking out, and they're basically saying that no one wants them to quit, because I think

it sounds like they're like a close friend group and they don't actually want him to quit. I think, I think let's go with Craig's, Morgan. But Dika kind of swayed me there. So he doesn't have to pay. No one quits, but the Rich Juan Holmes guy gets Richuan Holmes back. I can't believe all this was over Rich Juan Holmes. I think this is one of the first times we've actually come to like a compromise. Yeah.

And given like real, like sage advice. Okay. All right. There we go. Thank you, Mike, for that email. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Rishuan Holmes for the content, most of all, this week.

Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Chris Krasse. DK. That was the biggest layup you've ever got. TomTom Club. Thank you, Tom, Tom, Club. I almost said, thank you, Tom, Tom, Club.

And I was like, no, Dek's going to nail this. I did nail it. I did nail it. I gave you two. No, really, though. You guys, I just can't win. I just can't win with you guys, you know? We'll compromise.

You can keep. You won't have to pay for the pod this year. I'm taking my fucking mic and I'm going home. Craig, I'm deleting my audio so you can't put this podcast out. Please don't do that. All right. Goodbye, everyone.