The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking The Top Buy Low and Sell High Trade Candidates

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

We power rank our five favorite fantasy players to buy low on after a slow start to the season, as well as five players to trade away before it's too late. We finish the show by holding Fantasy Court. (3:52) - Buy Low Trade Candidates (17:16) - How to Trade 101 (23:30) - Sell High Trade Candidates (46:49) - Fantasy Court Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Today, it is power hour every week. We are power ranking something. On Wednesdays during the season, this week, we are power ranking our favorite by-lows and our favorite sell highs after two weeks. We're going to get into this. We're actually going to break. We usually do like a top 10, top 12. We're going to break it into two different lists.

We're going to do our top-five sell highs or top-five by-lows. We'll explain how we do it. But first, we're going to do a quick explanation on what this actually means. A by low? I feel like, in my own view, like a by low is, you know that feeling if you have a team that isn't doing well to begin this season? And you look at your roster and you're like, why did I draft this guy? Why did I draft this freaking guy? Like, what am I doing?

What was I thinking? It's that, but for other people. Like, if other people are looking at their roster, like, why did I take this guy? That's a buy low. Otherwise, it's just that it doesn't count. So you're trying to look for the people that, you're trying to look for the players that you're, league mates are ready to give up on. They're just sick of them already.

Correct. Like someone had a bad week doesn't lower their value to someone necessarily. You know, right, Craig? It might. It might. Yeah, but like Kyle Pitts is a great example, and I don't know if anybody ranked him today

because the way this worked is we sent our bylaws and sell hikes to DK, and then he kind of decided how to power rank these. But, like, Kyle Pitts is a good example. I don't think we're there with Kyle Pitts yet to qualify him. I don't think he's played bad enough for long enough to qualify him as like a by-low. I think the guy who drafted Kyle Pitts

still wants to hold. on to him. He's not considered a by-low yet. It's kind of a game of psychology. Where the people are at in your league mentally? It depends. Kyle Pitts might be there for some people, but I think that like, it's the difference. Someone has a bad week, they're not. The flip side

is also sell highs. I think a sell high doesn't actually count as a sell high unless when you look at your team, you're doing really well and you're like, wow, I'm so smart for drafting this guy. Everyone else is dumb. I am brilliant. That's a sell high. A sell high is not like Christian McCaffrey's killing it. A sell high is like Mike William

last year, a guy who was completely unexpectedly was popping off and you're worried if it's going to sustain. Amon Ross St. Brown is a candidate as a sell high. I'm not saying you should, but like it has to be someone where everyone looks like, man, that was a good pick. I wish I had made that pick. You could get like the first overall, you could get Christian McCreffrey for Amon Ross St. Brown right now.

The whole point, if someone has to be doing so well or so bad that you actually wish you could go back two weeks and change where you drafted them, that's otherwise the value hasn't changed. So with that in mind, we're going to go into the power rankings. we're going to do power hour. So again, it's power hour style, which means after two minutes, you will hear this sound from Tom, Tom Club. It's a great song.

It really is. After that sound, we will, in theory, move on. So as Craig said, we both sent our list of by-lose, sell highs to D-K. D-Ks ranked them all. And again, we're breaking into two different lists here. So we'll start with the sell highs.

D-K, we're two weeks in the season. Who's your number one sell-high candidate? 2022. You guys both sent me this player, and I agree with it, so I think it makes sense to start with him. Clyde Edwards-Hillair, running backs for the Chiefs. Who wants to take this one? I can take it.

I have him on my main high school league, and I hope none of my friends are listening to this because I'm going to try to sell him. Clyde is the fifth best running back in fantasy right now, but the problem, that sounds great, but the problem is that he's done it on about half the touches as the other running backs around him in this category.

Clyde has 35 fantasy points this year on 22 touches. He's averaging over eight yards a touch. He's basically scored the same amount as like Sequin, Nick Chubb, Jonathan Taylor, those guys. But all those guys have seen double the touches is Clyde. Clyde played 47% of the snaps in week two for the Chiefs. He's just had a very fortunate start. He had two receiving touchdowns in week one that were inside the red zone. And then last week he kind of saved his stat line with a 50-yard scamper to kind of seal

the game in the fourth quarter. He's averaging 11 touches per game. It's just not enough. He's not playing enough snaps. Pacheco's the guy they bring in when they're up big and sometimes for short distances. Jerich McKinnon is playing a lot in the passing game. I mean, Clyde has seven catches this year. McKinnon has six. He's just, he's secretly in a timeshare and we don't really think of him that way. Yeah. I think Craig nailed it. I mean, if you go to, I mean, whatever site you're on, like if you're on ESPN, you click on Clyde's little page, it says position rank five. That's sexy.

You can sell that to somebody. And then the second, like, Craig, what was that? You just said it was perfect. You said 27 touches, 30, however many points the season? 22 touches, 35 fantasy points. That's exactly it. Like, once that actually comes back to Earth, you're going to be like, wow, position rank 17.

I can't sell that. It's great because it's been two weeks. If it was one week and you try to sell them, people might think it's a flash in the pan. I think two weeks is enough of a sample size to trick the dumbest guy in your league. so give it a shot. All right. D.K., who's your number two, sell high?

All right. Number two, James Robinson of the Jags. Again, Craig had this one. I also had this one written down. Oh, look at us. Basically, to me, this is a game script story.

So far, the Jags have actually been pretty good, especially this last week where they were leading the entire game. Like, James Robinson got the bulk of the carries. It looks as if like he's back and the Jags are going to rely on him.

and Travis E.N. is just going to be an ancillary part of the offense, but I do think that there is some game script sensitivity here. Like he is the early down guy, generally speaking. And then ETN is more of a pass catching down, third down type player, explosive player.

He's like, that's how it looks like they're going to use them. But I do think going forward, like if they're trailing for an entire game, ETN is going to get much closer to like 50, maybe even pushing like 60% of the routes. I think are snaps. You're going to see Robinson's usage,

probably trail off. And I also think he's a little bit touchdown dependent just based on the fact that he's an early down type running back. Overall, I would just kind of like, I think he's a candidate to like sort of take advantage, exploit the early season positivity around him, the usage so far, and try and get as much as you can. I'm not saying it. And again, to like reiterate kind of what I haven't said, like don't sell any of these players for nothing. Like try and get more than what you think they're worth. In other words, like if you want, if you can get a wide receiver too or a wide receiver one even for a guy like James Robinson

but try and float a few offers like that get as much value as you can. Yeah, I mean, James Robinson is the number six running back in fantasy. He does not have more than 66 rushing yards in a game this year. He has three catches on the season. The only reason he's high right now

is he's got three touchdowns. And they played the commanders and the Colts in the first two weeks. The next two weeks they play the Chargers and the Eagles think the Jags are going to lose both those games and ETN will be on the field a lot more. I mean, it's remarkable in general that this guy's like a seventh round draft pick

who tore his Achilles last year and he's playing right now. I'm dubious of what you could actually get for James Robinson, though. This is what you say about everything, but like some people need a fucking RB2, like, badly. You know what I mean? Well, and like, the reason that we're doing this, this by-low and sell high episode at the same time is because you can trade a James Robinson for maybe a wide receiver who is a bit of a by-low. Because, like, I agree with you. It's like, you can't sell him.

You can't sell James Robinson at a RB-6 value because, like, no one's going to look at him like that. But you might be able to get like a wide receiver three for him. that's a solid player. Let's go through the rest of this list, and maybe at halftime between the sell highs and the bylaws. You want to talk about how to actually do trading in a league?

Yeah, we'll have to figure that out on the fly because I don't know how to do it. All right, great. D.K., number three, who's your number three, sell high candidate? All right, so I'm putting this on, this one on here because high fits,

I was just intrigued that you had this year. Austin Echler for the Chargers. Give me the spiel. He's a cell high? I know, because I was a little bit, like, isn't he off to a bit of a slow start? Is this technically so high? You must be very low. You just

plummet. No, it's not a sell. It's not a, no. He hasn't had a great start, but the reality is like when you're trading a guy like Austin Echler, people are still going to look at him like, it's Austin Echler. I can acquire Austin Echler. I wouldn't overthink it. I think that the real reason it's hard to trade Echler right now is because Justin Herbert got hurt. I think that most people would probably

look at Echler and say he got 14 carries each week. You get nine catches last week. I don't think any, like he has no touchdowns this season. People are probably going to look at Echler and be like, oh, I can get Echler. Echler is also playing a lot less. Echler is just not playing as frequently for the Chargers. I think that they are very purposefully.

Echler also himself has always been like, I will take less touches in a game to stay healthy the whole season. A lot of athletes are not like that. A lot of athletes are like, give me everything. I'll handle everything. Echler doesn't have that like reckless confidence. He's like, I'll preserve my body. He's not a huge person.

I think that he's just not going to necessarily, it's kind of like Clyde, but not as extreme, where he's not going to get as many touches that you'll be, be like every week like oh my god Austin Echler 20 points this is why I took him in the first round I think that if anyone is willing to treat Echler in a trade like he's like like if you did your redraft right now and they would still take Austin Echler as a top eight player

I would trade him away so like this is I'm just throwing this out if someone would like give you Jamar Chase for Austin Echler I would do that in three seconds that's kind of one would do that well Jamar Chase said eight points last week yeah but saying if someone needs a running like if someone has And again, it's all so context-specific. It's hard to pick out a specific person.

But that's my point, that what Craig just said, no one would do that. That's my point, though. Like, if you can get rid of, like, Austin Echler and Jamar Chase were going back-to-back in drafts this year. If someone in your league still thinks of Austin Echler as, you know, more or less, that player, I would go, I would do that. I would make that trade. I think this is more of us just being kind of right about our feelings about Austin Echler

heading into this season. I don't, I mean, he's had 41 touches in two games. I mean, he's averaging over 20 touches a game. It's not exactly like panic mode time. So then why are you saying no one would trade him for Jamar Chase? I just think Jamar Chase is like one of the most enticing, sexy players in the league and you're not going to... I guess if you desperately needed a running back and you were really heavy on wide receiver, maybe you would. But like, Echler, to me, like, if you could get a guy like a second round wide receiver,

Devante Adams, I don't know. I don't think you could get a first round return on him, but I don't... We all have Echler ranked ahead. of Devante Adams. So if you would do that, the neckler is to sell high. Is he not? Yeah, but barely. He's barely a cell high, I guess, is my point. Like, he hasn't, I'm not worried enough about him to where I think that I need to sell him right now before his value depreciates. Okay. Yeah, I'm a little worried about it. D.K., ran in here. Be the tiebreaker before we disrespect Tom, Tom, Tom, further. Well, I was a little bit, I wanted to hear you guys as explanation for, your specifically for this,

because I didn't really see him as a cell high, but I think the name power alone still makes him a cell high. So I'll go ahead and agree with this because he is a sexy player. He has really good name recognition. Someone's willing to kind of, I think, bet on that name power, then you should take advantage. Because, you know, to reiterate kind of what I have it says, like the usage is just not there this year compared to where it was last year.

20 touches a game. I know, but like he's just not getting the same level, like the highest value touches. And I think that they're still going to potentially use him, try and use him less as the season goes on. All the catches he got, all the receptions he got last year, last, last week were like kind of as the charges were just trying to come back against the chiefs and dumpoffs. I'm, I'm a little concerned.

Also, obviously, if Herbert misses time, like, who knows what happens with that offense? All right. Should we move on? Yeah, DK, who's number, what number are we on? Four? We're on number four. I'm going to go with one of mine here. And you guys are probably going to quibble with this because of his perceived trade value.

But I'm going to say Antonio Gibson for the commanders. He is currently the RB 10 and half PPR. He's looked fantastic. He's basically taken all the preseason naysayers and give him a big bird, flipped him the bird because he's been pretty good. He's looked good. He's fifth in the NFL and targets. He's been involved in the passing game.

He looks exposed about there. Target's among running backs, right? Right, correct. Sorry, targets among running backs. He is fifth in the NFL. However, going forward, I think there's a couple things to consider. Number one, of course, Brian Robinson is due to come back in a couple weeks. practicing, he's already cutting and working out on the practice field. And that could, you know,

as we saw on the preseason, like that could definitely affect his standing in his role with the offense. But two, I think the game script, it's again, it's a game script is a question of, are they going to be playing from behind or are they going to be playing with the lead? I think it depends on how you feel about how good Washington is, but I think generally speaking, they're probably going to be more often playing from behind. And last week, as they, and when they were playing from behind, he was out targeted and almost out snapped by J.D. McKissick. This is Robb's, sorry, Gibson was. I think McKissick is still sort of the passing downs and long down and distance, like, basically the past catching back for this team, even though they had used Gibson pretty

frequently in the passing game. I think J.D. McKissick is going to continue to see his role grow as they're playing from behind. And then Brian Robinson could also break into Gibson's rotation, like his role on the early down. So to me, I would just like, right like take all the hype for robinson right now and find someone who thinks gibson's like too sorry take all the hype for gibson and find someone who thinks gibson's too talented to fail or whatever like just doesn't believe the robinson hype and try and trade with it with that guy in your league can i give you a galaxy brain take sure gipson's not a sell high brian robinson is i mean that's another interesting i think that's a good one let's just end with that one

give me the take on that one basically Antonio like the brian robinson just the whole way that the whole situation played out where he got shot and everyone's like, oh my God. And then it turns that he's okay. And it's like, oh, my God, he's going to come back. And then everyone heard about this. Everyone found out about this backup running back who was going to win the job. And then he got shot, but he's going to come back. And everyone sees the drills of him doing the latter thing.

And he's like, he's coming back soon. Everyone's aware that Antonio Gibson is going to lose this job. Like no one, I really don't think anyone in your fantasy leagues like, oh, yeah, Antonio Gibson, everyone's aware of Brian Robinson. Meanwhile, he's a rookie that's never played in the NFL yet coming back from, I assume, a very serious injury, if someone's just like, yeah, Brian Robinson, he'll be the starter when he comes back, just flip him. You know what I mean? Like I would just take the weird optimism people have coming off injury. I feel almost similarly about J.K. Dobbins,

everyone's like, oh, well, when J.K. Dobbins back, cool. Like, you know, sometimes you hold someone for six weeks because they aren't, you know, PUP list or IR or like even DeAndre Hopkins with a suspension. And then they hit you up like one week before and they're like, hey, can I have Hopkins? Like, no, I had him on my bench for a month and a half. You can't just have him now that he's back. But like, if someone wants to do that with Brian Robinson, yeah, like, I'll flip him. Like, I've never seen him play. I have no idea.

This is still a total dice roll. I like this angled, like four and five or Gibson and Robinson because I actually think, and maybe it's different for what you got in your experience, but like there's either Gibson believers or Gibson haters or doubters or whatever. Like there's a pretty strong contingent, I think people that still believe Gibson is like, has potential to be an elite running back and whatever, you just need the opportunity. And then there's a lot of people who think Robinson's

already like a better runner than him. But sometimes when you're trying to make a trade, people don't think about Antonio Gibson at all. You know what I mean? I also just think that like, I don't know, sometimes, it's almost like my Josh Jacobs theory. Like, sometimes the incumbent running back

is just the one who's the best, like, it's just the one who's going to get the most carries. Like, Antonio Gibson's been playing. Brad Robinson's coming back from an injury, like a serious injury. Like, if you have, had to bet your life, like, when Brian Robinson finally, like, suits up for

a game? Like, who's going to get the most touches for the rest of the season? I don't know. Like, once they can play together. He got shot. That's my point. Like, at some point, I think, look, I am not trying to be a fake-ass doctor, however. I think it's weird that everyone's now just assuming that the rookie who got shot twice in the leg a month ago

will just take this guy's job. It's, once again, it's wishcasting. This is what everybody wants to happen, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. Anyway, we've disrespected Tom Tom a lot. I think it's going to happen. All right. Well, to be fair, we also disrespected Brian Robinson

a great deal right there. True. True. I'm on team. I'm on team Robinson. I want to get to buy lows, but since we were talking about all this, I always think it's kind of annoying

when we give by low, sell high advice. We're actually talking about trades. Quickly, my theory on trades is twofold. One, if you're in a league where you're with the same people year over year, don't be the asshole who's just trying to destroy everyone in a trade.

And like, once you get the reputation as you only send bad offers, then you're the bad offer guy and you can't get anything done. Honestly, in my experience, I've found that, like, you try to squeeze a little extra value of every deal, but at a certain point, not doing that and then actually having the reputation

that you can get a deal done with someone over text in, like, 20 minutes. Just working with people is, like, good, long term is number one, and then two. Yeah. I try to make deals backwards. It's like, look at your team, figure out what you need, what you have.

I look at it as two, it's like, all right, I have running backs and I need tight ends. I don't know, except when he's tight end. You're like, all right, I have two quarterbacks that are good and you're like, all right, I can either get this level of deal, this or like a high level of a deal because I'd trade like D'Andre Swift or a lower level of a deal because I would trade, I don't know, Josh Jacobs. And then you go to people and you're like, which teams need running backs and you just talk to like those people and then you just ask them, would you want to

make a big deal or a small deal? And like, I don't know. That's kind of how I approach things. Like don't waste people's time. My strategy is like, and again, I really hope my friends aren't listening to this. So I've Clyde Edwards-Halear. And I think he's a real sell high, right? I'm worried that his stock is going to crater. I'm not, I'm not necessarily in need of any position specifically, but I just want to see what I can get. So what I do is I go to the bottom three teams in the league, bottom four teams in the league, like all the guys who are oh and two, and I look at their rosters, and I try and find one where they need a running back, where they either have a guy who got hurt, a guy who's really disappointing. And I go to them and I'm like, hey, you know, you make up some lie.

You know, I'm really deep at running back, so I'm willing to shop, Clyde, you know, what can you get me. And then he works out some lie. Bill wrote this in a column like 20 years ago, but he was like, anytime someone's Owen 2 is like, I just want to shake things up. It's like that's, that's who you want to trade with. Always. Always. It's funny to me, like the idea of trading is so funny because at the very foundation, like you said, Craig, it's just like someone, either both or one person is just lying through their teeth about everything. Totally. I'm like, I don't like want to fucking deal with this person that's just lying. Yes and no. I guess, let me put it this way.

I think this is the single biggest mistake people make when you're trying to trade with someone. You have to explain to them why it's also good for you. No, this is, I actually 100% disagree. Like, if someone's trying to tell me that, I'm like, go away. No, no, no, no, sorry, I meant it the other way. Not good for you. Like, good for you and me. If I'm trying to make a trade with D.K.

The biggest red flag is I'm like, hey, D.K. Your team could really benefit by Clyde. I think your team would be a lot stronger. Don't tell me about my team. I know my team. Yeah, the player I'm giving away is fantastic. Like, that is the most see-through transparent horse shit you could possibly do. The way that you actually gain someone's trust is like, here's why your player will help me.

And then also my player can help you. But like, unless you're kind of, in my opinion, unless someone's honest about how it helps both people, it's kind of just transparent horse shit. And I think that that's the quickest way to like have an actual conversation is why it helps both people. I also think one of the lessons of trades is that you have to understand that you're not going to just rip off somebody. It's impossible. Maybe you can get lucky and rip somebody off,

but you have to understand that you actually have to give something up. You actually have to, you have to take a risk. You know what I mean? You are making a bet. That's all this is. You have to understand that. The hardest thing in fantasy is like, oh, I really want this guy in my friend's team.

And then you're like, well, I don't want to give up any of my starters. I'll package two bench players and see if he'll do it. That's not going to work. You have to give up a player on your team who is playing well right now. It has to be even. Here, take these two pieces of shit and then give me your good player. It has to be an even trade. That's the problem.

Craig is so right. Look, generally speaking, I guess speaking of Bill. Like Bill's thing in real life was always NBA trades. It's like when you give up four quarters for a dollar, like you generally always want the dollar. Like the whole point of fantasy football is like you generally want like the best. The reason we talk about stars and scrubs and auction drafts is like you want the better. player because you can only start so many people. But that doesn't mean that like when you offer two bench players for starter, you're not the most annoying person in the world. So I think you're right,

Craig. Like you have to give up something. If you want Leonard Fournett, you'll have to trade Michael Thomas. Like you'll just have to do that or else it's not going to work. You have to make a gamble based on your intuition and your research. And I think that that's why, and again, that's also why I'm kind of like team don't waste people's time because, but the nature that you're listening to this podcast right now, you're probably spending more time on your team than the people you're trying to talk to. Don't you think selling high is the hardest thing to do in fantasy? 100%.

Well, that's why you said pull up the people who are Owen 2 because not only are those people more likely to want to make a change to their team, the people who are 2 and O think they're fucking brilliant. Like everyone's overvaluing their own players. We talk about this. This is a psychological thing. We talked about that great book, Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. It's like every, like, it's called the IKEA effect.

It's so cool. Just like, people are so. connected to their IKEA furniture, and they've done this in psychological studies, just because they made it. And as bad of a wrap as IKEA furniture has, the process of you making it means people are so much more attached to it.

And the same way, you start 2 and O, and you're like, I want Jalen Waddle. It's like, you want Jalen Wattel. The nerve. It's, you know what I mean? It's like, it's their IKEA furniture. It's like they won't give that up. They're undefeated with it.

It's a weird, it is truly a weird psychological thing. Like these teams are our babies. It's so ridiculous. I chose this team for a fucking reason, man. Like, I want all these players. Like, don't try and come get my players. Everyone overvalues their own players. Yeah.

Except the New England Patriots. So don't overvalue your own players. I don't waste other people's times. Don't spend all your time talking about why it's good for the other person. Like, explain why it's good for you. It's refreshing. And I think, yeah, give something up. And don't be afraid to sell high.

It's really fucking hard. But I wish I sold Mike Williams in week six last year And got like some incredible player back All right, we didn't No one said it. We're all afraid to do it, but we should have the conversation Of about Amman Ra St. Brown

While we're doing this so high, real quick. I'm trying to think like, would you trade Amon Ra for Mike Evans? No. All right, is there a world worth three weeks from now? We feel like fucking idiots for not doing that. Well, the thing about Amon Ra is it's not just two weeks.

He's done it for like, 10 weeks. Yes, that's why it's, that's why it's like a really abnormal one is it's like, we were like, well, he won't pick up where he left off. And then he just did. So you got to throw, yeah, I feel like at this point, I even said it, like, you have to throw out literally one of the sexiest names and fantasy if you're going to get it.

Would you throw Austin Echler for Amonra St. Brown? That's a question. Would you give up Austin Eclure for a Monra? Yeah, I would. Potentially, yeah. Okay, so if you have a, I'm just saying, like, if someone has Amonra St. Brown, and again, no one would ever trade Amaran St. Brown right now for any price because you think you're going to win your league for it. The problem is for every Cooper Cup where they just keep doing

this. There are four other players that stop. Right, right. Would you trade Amonra St. Brown for Sequin? I wouldn't. It's, oh, that's tough because Amonra's like has the consistency that you're looking for in receivers. Should we play a different game real quick? Who would you trade Amonra St. Brown for right now? That's the thing. Well, Seekwon's a really interesting. one because Seacuan is like the consistency of it like do I have a top five receiver versus Seacuan being like you know do I have a top three running back is that you know what I mean it's like like well you would trade a Monroff for Jonathan Taylor right yeah you would trade him from McCaffrey yes uh yeah yes you wouldn't trade him for Echler Dalvin Cook Derek Henry

Mixen Najee Harris would you trade him for Aaron Jones or DeAndre Swift maybe Swift I want to double check DeAndre's injury I mean I mean you probably yes I probably would. Okay. So there's like, there's like honestly like three running backs. Well, that's the other thing is we were talking about before the show.

It's like we hate all running backs at this point. Like none of the running backs are reliable. Like, yeah. But I think the idea really is like, do you have the stones to trade away I'm on Ross St. Brown right now when everyone's talking about how he's this year's Cooper Cup?

That's thing. It's irrational. It's, you also just feel smart. Like, no, who wants to do that? Like,

it's not fun to sell. It's also, I think psychologically it's like you got him for so cheap. It's like, why would I sell him now? Because I'm getting all that value already. Well, there's also a reason he wasn't on our sell high list because we don't think he's a sell high. Not every player who's exceeding expectations is going to regress back to the mean. He's a second year player.

What about Jalen Waddle? No, I don't think I, I mean, he definitely has an inflated value right now, but I still think he's going to be very good. Right. It's a matter of like how far they're going to fall if it's like marginal. Like, obviously, we don't expect Jailen Waddle to do what he does. did last week every single week. But, but like, do I think he's going to be a top 15 wide receiver? Probably. Right, right. All right. I'm glad we had this conversation. Okay,

let's do the, let's do the bylaws, D.K. So again, we all set, we all decided our bylaws. We sent them to DK. DK's power ranking them. DK. Who's your number one by low candidate? All right. This one intrigued me and Craig, I had this guy written down to Leonard Furnett for the Buccaneers. I think just generally the Buccaneers in general, but give me the Fournette pitch. Fournett is second in the league in rushing attempts. Second. And he's 17th in fantasy points. He doesn't have any touchdowns.

That's all it is. He's like the opposite of James Robinson. James Robinson has three touchdowns. Leonard Fornett is the opposite of Nick Chubb. Yeah, right. Like Fournett and Clyde. Fournett should have Clyde's fantasy points and Clyde should have Fournette's fantasy points,

but it's backwards right now. He has all the volume and none of the efficiency. He plays 87% of the snaps against the Saints last week, which is elite. That's like coming in on McCaffrey, 20-21 Najee Harris numbers right there. He's not the sexiest guy in the league, but the bucks are super depleted.

You know, Mike Evans, suspended, they just signed Cole Beasley. Julio Jones is banged up. Russell Gage doesn't seem to be the guy for them. Obviously, Chris Godwin's out. Fournette has proven before like in their Super Bowl run that he can be the focal point of the offense. I mean, he still is. Like I said,

he's second in the league in rushing attempts. And he's a capable wide receiver. They're playing the Packers and the chiefs the next two weeks. I just think Fournett is like a guarantee 20 touches every single game he plays with receiving work included. And I would pounce now why you still can. You gave that entire pitch without mentioning that Leonard Furnett literally tweeted this week, to my fantasy owners, I'm sorry, touchdown's coming soon with like nine exclamation

points. God, I love that, man. Also, never forget, Leonard Furnett's background cover photo on Twitter is literally God touching Adam from the Sistine Chapel, but it's Leonard Furnett is Adam. It would have been sick if Leonard Furnett. Fornett was God. He should have switched it to make him God touching out. No, you got to have, you know, stay a little humble. It's a good twist. Last year, the, the Buccaneers were fourth in the NFL in plays. So far, they are 17th. This, every, I think the Buccaneers are, as a

team are a buy low. Like, you could buy low on Evans. You could buy low, obviously Godwin. I don't know if he's like, he's going to say he's hurt. How do you even, what do you, what would you give up? Yeah. I don't know what you'd buy for, like buy him for, but I think he's a guy that's going to come in do really well. Fornett, Brady. I know that we don't talk about quarterbacks here a ton

but like, I saw the stat, Brady, of all the, of all the quarterbacks in the NFL that have played like a full compliment

of snaps, he has the fewest fancy points so far. That's not going to keep up. I swear to God if this guy's washed, I'm going to be

apoplectic. Craig is, we waited 20 fucking two years to draft this guy. Well, another way to think of you waited until after he retired. It's another way to look at it, perhaps.

True, true. He just were like, yeah, you know, he just left training camp for like a week. Never explained himself, but like, I'm going to go with it. Yeah. All right. Next one. Start the timer. We've been lax on the timer.

We have Giovante Williams for the Broncos. This is high fits as one. And I would extend this to all Broncos as well. Oh. This one's really simple. All, like, all the press, all the vibes around the Broncos are. negative. I mean, like, because there's different levels of, like, people in your fantasy league, right?

There's nerds kind of like us who are talking about, like, Target Share. There's people who are following the NFL on, like, Instagram. It doesn't matter where you're looking at everything with the Broncos is bad. Like, the fans chanting, the play clock, them almost losing to the Texans, Nate Hackett, everything about Denver's bad. Javante Williams is really freaking good. Javante Williams has, should, like, again, another guy that, with like a couple different plays would have a completely different season like week one again

finally at the goal line is total flu play like he just should play more the broncos can't their offense can't really be worse than it's been you know all these failed opportunities they've kicked a field go at the fourth and one at the goal line like there's so many moments where giovanni was going to be good he had about 12 catches in week one the upside for giovanni is insane i do think melvin gordon's still going to be vulturing but i think that as much as i was a little i had questions about Javante, I would pay a pretty large price for him relative. Like if someone's kind of dissatisfied with him, I would be totally, totally fine ponying up for Javante as if he's going to be a top 10 player, like top 10 running back going forward

because I really do think he will be. Would you swap Austin Echler for Javante Williams? That's a good example of something where like I would trade Echler for Javante and somebody. You wouldn't do it straight up? No, because that's like not value. That's not a sell. you're not getting value for Echler. The whole point...

Well, who do you think is going to score more points the rest of the season? If it's Javante, it's a value. Gun to my head? Yeah. I wonder if it's Javante. But my point is, it's a question. And so that's where...

My whole point of this is, I would trade Austin Echler for Javante and maybe if you grab a receiver. Then you hope Javentz is just as good as Echler is and then you pick up the receiver net value. Does that make sense? Yeah. I once again, part of me thinks that you're being

that shitty trade guy again where you're like, I'll give you uh, Javante, or I want Giovante and somebody else for Austin Echler and the guy's like two. You're conflating two things. You're talking about the guy who's giving two bench players for someone who's good.

I'm talking about giving up Austin Echler and you're acting like I'm being a crazy person. No one trades their first round picks. It's very hard to get. Javante's a second round running back and Austin Echler is like a first run running back and they've had pretty much the same start to the year. So I feel like swapping them.

Well, someone might have gotten Javante in the third, first of all. And then, yeah, it's not insane. Yeah. Listen, if somebody out there can, trade for Javante Williams and get another piece for like a middling first round running back, let me know. I feel like, is this crazy? I feel like it's not insane to be like, yeah, I want Austin Eccl.

If someone's like, oh, we'll take Echler, it's like, oh, yeah, I want Chaventay and their player. Why would you do this straight up? I don't think it's insane. I think it would be something where, you know, someone's anchoring to ADP prior to the season. Yeah, like, that's what you'd want to do. I don't know. I think you'd have to get a bench player with him.

There's no way someone's throwing in a starting receiver. There's no one just somebody's giving you like Gabe Davis with Giovante Williams for us. You probably do, you'd have to do a two for two. Javante and whoever for Echler and whoever. Sometimes you just need to toss in like two side dishes just to make both people feel better. You know what I mean?

It's like we can't just do it one for one swap. It's like you need to toss in French fries and I'll toss in a side salad. That's the grease that really gets deals done, I think. Yes. All right. To extend that real quick, like I think all Broncos are probably by lows right now.

I think Russell's going to improve as the year goes on. I don't think it's going to be a disaster all year. I think Judy is a good by-low. Sutton's probably not as by-low because he's been awesome. Judy's a good one, D.K. Yeah, I almost put him on my list, but he's hurt. I just think people hate him. Yeah.

And then, but I would, I probably wouldn't buy low on Alberto at this point. Judy is considered day-to-day. You just pick him up on waivers. Yeah, right. All right, let's get to our next one because we just absolutely just been. Slaughtered the timer. All right. Brandon Ayyuk for the 49ers. This is Craig's. I also had him jotted down.

Craig, I imagine this is Carapolo-related. Yeah, right? I mean, it's last year all over again. The lead running back has hurt. Jimmy G. is the starting quarterback. Debo will be playing more as a running back. Yep. If you look at once they plucked Ayuk from the doghouse last year, from the Shanahan Doghouse, which is like the last 10 games of the season, Ayuk was the 20th best wide receiver in the league. Yeah. He's had a slow start. He only has 13 fantasy points through two games. He has 100 yards, no touchdowns.

But Jimmy already took two deep shots to him when he came in last week. It's a good sign. Yeah. I think all the hype. Like, I remember you two hyped up Ayuk a lot this offseason because I think we're so tantalized by his talent. But I was skeptical because of the Lance offense. You know, maybe he'd be efficient per target.

I just didn't know how many targets he was going to get. I mean, he had, you know, he had five or four targets in week one. I know it was monsooning, but that's what I was worried about is like, there's just too much going on. And with how much Lance is running, he wasn't going to get. get that much work. Now, I don't feel the same way. And I think, especially with the injury history with Kittle and Debo, like, I think IUQ is a great bylaw. The 49ers are absolutely ridiculously snake-bitten at running back. Why can none of their running back stay healthy? Doesn't matter.

Here's the thing. I really, I'm not going to pretend to have an answer. A lot of people have jokingly said that, you know, it's the offense with Shanhan because he actually creates such big running lanes. They're running so fast at collisions. It's probably a piece of it. I don't know if that's I don't know if that's 0.1% I'm sure it's related to some degree. But like big picture, when every 49er season has been defined by injury running backs

for five years in a row, it is probably not about the individual people. It's either the profile of running back that they are seeking or something about their system. But like every year that Kyle Shannon has had running backs, going back to the Falcons,

they always get hurt. More so than other teams. It's like, we were talking about a few episodes ago. It's like if you're the one who says that we don't have a single annoying guy in the friend group, it means you're the annoying guy. Shanahan's like, I don't know. I don't know what it is.

Just every running back happens to get hurt on our team. Maybe it's you, Kyle. Dude, friggin, Tai Davis Price has a high ankle spray now too. Like that basically you could just write off his rookie year at this point. What's that Ted Lasso joke where he's like, yeah, all these like, you know, couples that were, you know, having relationship issues like Frank Sinatra and her. Frank Sinatra and her. Frank Sinatra and her.

Oh man, now I'm thinking about it. Maybe old blue eyes had a temper issue. It's like, good reference type. It's sick reference, bro. Your references are sick. Get the sickest references. Okay, give us the next by-low. This one, I don't know if I agree with, but I was very intrigued.

Craig, give me the Derek Henry pitch. That's right, baby. Oh, shit! I'm turning the train around. You never know where I'm going on that train. I'm going off the tracks, back on the tracks. listen I'm so happy

I'm gonna need about 10 minutes on Tom Tom we're gonna have to run Tom 10 times to talk about Derek Henry I think we finally were correct in hopping off the train this year

I think he is not as good as he once was but you know what's funny is and I texted you guys this last night watching the Titans it was games like last night where I wonder

how Derek Henry was ever good he is so stiff and can be so slow when he gets the ball that like he can't round any corner. Like he's like a freight. He's literally a freight train. Like once he gets going,

it's hard to stop when he's running into straight line. But man, if the offensive line isn't working and they're like losing, I have no faith in Derek Henry. With all of that said, you might be able to get him

at an incredibly low price. Maybe he needs one more bad week, but they had two tough games to start the season. They obviously just got killed by the bills. He's averaging 3.1 yards for carry. But he's tied for fifth in the league in carries. Like even if he's not the same guy.

Chase volume. Yes, even if he's not the same guy and the offensive line isn't the same and the offense isn't the same, he's going to finish top five in carries this year. This is brilliant and here's why. I think that our biggest blind spot, the three of us, is we overthink all of this shit. Like, it's our job to follow this. I think we're very out of touch probably with the average person that people are listening to this or trading with. This is brilliant because the bill is just rocked Tennessee the most I've seen in a team. Tennessee took out Tannhill in the beginning of the fourth quarter.

Dude, there was a whole quarter left. And you watch that game, you're like freaking out. And they pulled Ryan Tanyhill after three teams were down 20 in the same week and all came back like in the fourth quarter. Mike Rable's like, no chance. You're not that guy. Know thyself. And listen, the Titans next five games. So they just got shit on by the bills.

Their next five games, Raiders, Colts, commanders, Colts, Texans. Oh. Derek Henry's going to have 200 yards in one of those games. That's why I think that when you're doing these trades, it really does matter. Like, what is the little blurbs say on the project? Like, does the Yahoo or ESPN blurbs say, this is person's doing poorly or,

nope, they'll bounce back. Don't worry. Like, at the end of the day, like, when you're trying to trade something, the first thing they check is that little blurb. You know what I mean? It's like day trading. We'll read those blurbs.

It's like the stocks are just flying up and down. I'm just saying, man, this is a good one. Like, anyone who watch that is worried about their coming. All right, D.K., give us another, All right. This is the fifth and final one. High Fitz. It had to happen. Kyle Pitts. Yeah. I put this because Craig is wrong. Kyle Pitts is not a sell like a bilo candidate after week one. Like nobody was going to say Kyle Pitts have a bad week and they give up on him. I think Craig is wrong.

I think people are panicking. Some people are at like again, Craig, you like I think Craig's right and that some people will definitely not be trading away Kyle Pitts after week two. I think Craig's completely wrong. to assume that nobody who has Kyle Pitts is freaking the fuck out that they just took a tight end. I'm freaking the fuck out. I have Kyle Pitts and I'm freaking out. But what am I going to get in return? I'm not going to start David and Joku over Kyle Pitts.

You're being aspirational about you don't want to listen, but you are listening. That's the thing. If someone, it's the opposite. Every team in the NFL, any team in your league can talk to you because guess what? The guy with Dallas got it, you're like,

oh shit, what if Dallas got is just better than Kyle Pitts? You know, the guy was Zach Gertch? Like, what if Zach Gertz is just better than Kyle Pitts? And like, you're going to listen. And so here's my thing with Cal Pitts. Don't speak like that to me. Nobody makes me bleed my own blood.

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood. Here's the thing with Kyle Pitts. He might just suck. But he doesn't actually suck. He's probably going to be good. I think that Kyle Pitts is everything you want is happening. He's running vertical routes. He's part of the offense.

Like he's involved. Obviously, the four catches, 30 yards is terrifying. They played really good teams. Like the Saints have had a great defense. The Rams have just won the, fucking Super Bowl. Like, these are excellent defenses, and that hasn't really been mentioned in any of the Kyle Pitts stuff.

And I'm just saying, now the Falcons this week, the Falcons are freaking playing the Seahawks. The Seahawks are horrible. We're on the same side here. I don't know what you're, it almost sounds like you're arguing for the opposite side. I'm saying I would not trade away Kyle Pitts, which is me. Yeah, I'm saying he's a buy low. I'm saying if the person who has Kyle Pitts is panicking, I would see and get Kyle Pitts because like it's one it's a gamble it's a risk it's one of this risk that could win your

league if he does turn it around yeah i think that Kyle Pitts has been too hyped by us and the rest of the liberal fantasy media that come on it hasn't it hasn't been long enough i don't think anyone is going to sell for 60 cents on the dollar for Kyle Pitts i do i disagree in this i think i think people are panicking i think people are flipping out people are doing the job i've made a huge mistake and they just want to get out i think it's it's too soon. I think it's like it needs another week or two. I really do. Here's the deal. Here's the facts. Here's the facts, Craig. It really depends. It's, it depends. Someone else is gonna, here's where I think you're wrong. Okay. You have to ask, maybe the person with Cow Pits in your

league is like, now I'm not ready to trade yet, but you have to see. Yeah, sure. They might be like, fuck this guy. Yeah, you can reach out across the leagues. Shoot your shot, man. Yeah, might as shoot your shot. I just don't, I don't think personally, I don't know. I guess I don't think he qualifies. I understand your argument. No, you have to ask because they're going from such good defenses that this

week, I got to tell you, I think Kyle Pitts has more yards by halftime than he, like of week three than he does the first two weeks combined. I think you have 40 yards by half time. Arthur Smith is going to force feed Kyle Pitts because he's fucking sick of the media asking him questions. Don't ask me fucking questions, media.

I think there's a real chance the window is closed to Kyle Pitts. after Sunday. And so I kind of think people should get this done. Does any coach hate the media more than Arthur Smith? Well, he's a billionaire. So yeah, no, probably not. He's, that's the weirdest fucking thing. He's a billionaire. His dad started FedEx. This is like a fucking Jeff Bezos just decided to be the head coach of the Falcons. I guess if you can slip in and there's, you know, like, like when Indiana Jones always reaches back in after like the cave is collapsing and he grabs his hat. Like if you can do that and get Kyle Pitts before the window,

closes, hats off to you. I don't think there's enough room. Let's do this right now because this is super important. I'm at a league hypothetically with my brother. And my brother just took all the players that I wanted because that's his strategy every year. And let's see, I probably make my brother. What a dick move.

So it's really funny. I'm not going to lie. But I could try to make this trade with him before he listens to the next episode. He has Kyle Pitts. I have like Gerald Everett. I could try and, like, what, I'm trying to think what I would have to send him back to just get Kyle Pitts. You'd have to give up Gerald Everett and like A.J. Dillon. I have McCaffrey, James Connor, Tyree Kill.

Like, I wouldn't give up those guys. I think I would try to hold on him. There's, I mean, Alan Robinson, Travis T.N. Yeah, that's perfect. It'd have to be one of those two. He's also got Javante. You'd have to give up Gerald Everett and probably. The problem is A.

when E.N. had a bad start. But this is my trading so fucking hard. I'm just saying he's not going to do it. No, he's not. They're going to think they're getting scammed because they're going to know that they're being preyed upon by everybody who actually knows how good Kyle Pitts is and that the regression is coming. When we were talking about trades, the one thing we didn't do is when you ask about a player

that he's not the guy you want, knowing that they'll say no and be like, oh, all right, what about like, I don't know, this guy? And then you're like, yeah. It's, you got to play the, you got to dance to dance. You know, it's one long tango. Yeah, it's one long tango. Michael, give me Kyle Pitts. Okay. I don't think people

are going to give up on you. Any other, a couple of, we didn't hit any of these guys. I do. I just will quickly say, there's probably nobody, there's nobody that has actually more expected fantasy points

than actual than Joe Mixon. I will just say like Joe Mixon, in theory has the most expected points based on when she's played. I believe he leads the NFL and carries. Yes. Joe Mixon's a good one. We didn't shout him out.

On the flip side, we didn't mention if he sell high as DeAndre Swift has outperformed his expected usage. but he's broken big plays and he's good so I don't, you know what I mean. I just think any guy drafted in the first or second round

is very hard to label as a cell high if they're playing really well because like they were already close enough to the top to be, you know, to have that possibility in their range of outcomes. It's like Swift is killing it but like he's a second round pick.

Yeah, well I think what that means by sell high is maybe he didn't explain this off the top. Is this like Apex Mountain? Do we have no idea what sell high means? I think it is. No, let's define it right now. are, we have no idea what selling high or buying low means.

Sell high, I would describe can be one of two things. Sell high would be Amonra St. Brown rockets up. And you're like, you know what? I just made a huge ROI here. I'm just going to cash in my chips. And someone wants to just give me Mike Evans for Amonra. You know what? I'll just take Mike Evans.

I'm not saying you should do that, but that's kind of it. The flip side of sell high is I'm like really concerned, hypothetically that Alvin Camara is just terrible this year. And I actually think his real value is a lot less than what I drafted him for three weeks ago. And so if someone will give me a player that was like loosely in consideration around the same spot in the draft, like someone will give me Alvin Camara for Aaron Jones or like Alvin Camara for Swift. I will just do that because I think Alvin Camer is actually closer to David Montgomery.

That's what I consider sell high and that's what I look at Austin Echler as. I'm not saying I'm going to be bad. I'm saying that if I could swap Echler for another guy that I also might have taken in the first round, I would do it. Does that make sense? Yeah. It's all about vibes.

It's all about vibes, you guys. Vibes. It's all very nebulous. It is. We got a couple great fantasy courts here. All right. I also just want to thank Brian, who tweeted at us.

We were told him the last episode about when you hear something once and you learn what the word means and you hear the word all the time, really quickly after. It's called a frequency illusion. Oh, interesting. It's a psychological term.

So now I want to see if it gets meta, now that we've heard the term frequency illusion, if then we start hearing the term frequency illusion more, because that's like the ultimate test. Oh, that's, you know what it's called? It is frequency illusion, but for some reason, I was like, that doesn't sound right to me. It's called the Bader-Mindhoff phenomenon.

Have you ever heard that? Yeah. Why is it called that? I'm sure Bader-Minehoff coined it. A master. Isn't the Bader? Wasn't that like a gang? Hold on.

Where did you grow up? In the 1980s and 1990s? Is that what the gangs around you were called? It's like a political thing, dude. Sounds like a German scientist. The Bader Mienhof phenomenon. I assumed Bader Mienhof was a person. Hold on.

The Bader Mienhof gang, also known as Red Army faction. Yeah, this is like a Cold War thing. It was a West German terrorist group. Oh my God. It was active in the 1970s. You guys got to read, you guys got to read a fucking book. So you probably wonder how the name of a terrorist gang became attached to the concept

of frequently illusion, frequency illusion. I am curious. Now, can you explain it? Well, I got to, it's like, you want to listen to me, read an article? We have to, I need to know how this happened. So the name Bader Meinhauf phenomenon was derived from particular instance of frequency illusion in which the Bader Meinhauerf group was mentioned. In this instance, it was noticed by a man named Terry Mullen, who in 1994 wrote a letter to a newspaper column in which he mentioned that he'd first heard of the Bader-Mindhoff group, and shortly thereafter, coincidentally came across the term from another source. As the story was published, this is really long.

After the story was published, various readers submitted letters detailing their own experience of similar events, and the name Bader-Mindhoff phenomenon was coined as a result. I don't know. Maybe it's just such a specific name. I'm so thoroughly out of my depth with anything involving Germany in the 1970s, that all I'll say is I read the obituary of Mikhail Gorbachev in the New York Times. Highly recommend it.

And all I could think while I was reading the whole thing was, wow, there's so much about the world I do not know. Yeah. Incredible. Hefitz is that? What, where do you live? Well, I think you made a local gang in Washington. I know. I know.

I was like, what are you talking about? To defend hyphids here, when you said that DK, I was like, what the hell are you talking about? They're literally called the Bader Meinhauf gang. But it's like, it's like the one time ever that like one of these gang. Dang or whatever. But it's like the one time ever that one of these phrases isn't named after

like an old philosopher. This guy, Professor Bader Meinhauf. Can we do fantasy court? Yes. These are good. It's from Josh. Josh.

Oh, great and powerful judges I need a ruling. A fellow league maid and I have been working on a trade for over a week and we finally settled on this. It's a good trade. She would get Tray Lance,

Ezekiel Elliott, and Kyle Pitts. I would get Nick Chubb, Tyler Higby, and Amman Russ St. Brown. It's a blockbuster. The trade was accepted last Thursday, and all way to do is wait until Wednesday for the trade to go through a week. It's a long time.

On Sunday, Traylance goes down, and immediately she demands that the trade be vetoed, because Traylans got hurt, but not enough people in the league vetoed the trade. So the league commissioner, and he puts an old caps here, who happens to be her husband, the league commissioner changes the rules

on how many people are in. to veto and the trade is then vetoed. Am I wrong for feeling? This is a David Stern, Chris Paul situation. Yeah. So they want to... Another piece of history. This is Henry VIII just deciding to fucking change religions so he could divorce his

wife. That was just... We don't talk about that one enough. What a crazy movie. I didn't know that. That's cool. I actually always... Yeah, read it.

No, yeah. He created the Church of England because the Roman Catholic Church would not give him a divorce or an annulment. Yeah, I didn't know that. I'm not ashamed to say it. Yeah. You should watch, what was the series on Showtime about the Tudors? That's a fucking good show.

Anyway, continue. Anyway, this trade should be vetoed. Let's be honest. Yeah, this is bullshit. Well, there's two different. Should be? The commissioner changed it to help his wife. Not help as well.

I mean, you'd like to think that the commissioner would do this no matter who was involved in the trade. Well, here's the problem. You know, here's the real problem with this. Oh, wait, I disagree. I think the trade should go through. Yeah. No league should have.

have a week to review a trade. That doesn't make any sense. Like a week is a long time. I'm kind of team like once the deal is done, it should go through. I mean, look, we're very on the record. Like, I agree with that. You mentioned the David Stern thing. Every time someone makes a fantasy trade they're upset about, I'm like, you remember the David Stern trade where they vetoed? Like, yeah, it's like, can you name one other trade that's ever been vetoed? No, you can't because it doesn't happen. It's like literally, unless there's a conflict of interest, which was the NBA owned one of the teams that was trading Chris Paul. There's no it. There's no conflict of interest.

The question that, I think the question just becomes, does someone getting hurt in the review period change it? But it's like, I don't know, doesn't everyone to kind of know that's a possibility when you make a trade in a league with a week long review?

The trade was accepted before the injury. I know. The fact that he got injured is just tough shit. Like, that happens. I kind of, I see both sides. I just think that whatever it is, you need a policy on it.

If a league is going to be like, someone gets hurt in the review, we undo the trade, fine. It needs to be that way for every trade. And if you're on DK's side and it's accepted. and you're going to, it's just every trade needs to be that way.

Also, can we just like, I mean, I agree. Blanket statement, like, Commissioner shenanigans need to stop. Stop changing rules in the middle of the season. Well, no, it's not that he changed it for his wife. That's the problem here. Like, this is horseshit. That's ridiculous. We don't know if, we don't know what the rule was.

Like, we don't know if they had a rule that said in the review period, if an injury occurs, then we do this. Then we handle it this way. I'm going to go out on a limb and say, considering how big of a trade this was, I feel like they've probably had this situation pop up before where someone got hurt in a week-long review. That means every trade that's made, there's games played

in between. Which makes no sense. Whatever the precedent is, you've got to go at that. If anyone's been hurt before, if the trade still went through, like, that's ridiculous. If there is a week-long review period and somebody gets hurt in it, to me, I think the trade should be vetoed, because that's, especially

like out for the year. Like, that's... Because you know what the other part of it that's horseshit is? she also saw Amon Ra go off and probably regretted giving away a mona it's not just a Lance injury and that's why you can't let stuff like this happen well and like you know when you like trade for a player and you only like you wait to like see if he passes

to physical or something before the trade goes through to me that's like if he's healthy throughout after the end of the weekend then the trade will go through however I still think that what Hyfit said earlier when you make a trade in fantasy the commissioner needs to make it pass through immediately the second you had accept the players should be on the other player the other guy's team.

Waiting any amount of time is ridiculous, in my opinion. It should be immediate. This is Elon Musk buying Twitter. And then he's like, actually, I don't want this anymore. Yeah. And they're like, he's like, well, you know, this isn't worth what I paid for it. I don't want it. And like, yeah, that's something you should figure out like before you like do the deal.

And Craig, you said this is like the time where they have to pass a physical. That's not the analogy here. It's if they make the trade, the player plays in a game gets hurt. And then they're like, actually, we don't want this player anymore. veto the trade. Yeah, but that doesn't happen. They send them back. But you don't make trades and then let the player play on the original team for another week.

It's so weird. I don't know. I think this is commissioner shenanigans. I think the trade should go through. And I don't think you should change rules. Obviously it's commissioner shenanigans because he'd change. We're talking vaguely about this. For this exact case, he changed the rule because his wife wanted, no, this goes back.

This is ridiculous. I think if you make a trade and you agree on it, then the trade should just go through immediately. They change the threshold of vetoes to get it down. I think the trade should go through immediately, but if it doesn't go through immediately and then a guy gets hurt the next day before the review period has ended,

to me, I think it should be vetoed. All right, we got another one from Casey. Casey. This one's good. Love the show, long-time listener, first-time emailer. Started a league this year with my son, who's 11. We also have a few of his cousins and some other friends.

It's the first time that most of them are doing fantasy, they're pretty clueless about it and the stakes are pretty low. My son and I were playing each other in week two, and we were projected to be neck and neck. He checked his roster before we went to church in the morning, and he saw that Alvin Camara was questionable, and he was thinking of benching Alvin Camara and putting in Chase Edmonds. I told him that we will have plenty of time between church ending and the game's beginning at 1 o'clock Eastern, and that he should wait to see if Alvin Camer was actually out of the game. well of course things at church went long and then we were chatting with friends after church

and then we realized it was 1235 in the afternoon and we have a 20 minute bike ride home and at this point I check and I see that Alvin Camera is in fact out and that he needs to make the swap. Didn't Edmonds play at 10 in the morning? Well, we're talking to East Coast time. East Coast time. Oh, oh, sorry. Like, you know, a lot of people. At this point I check, I see that Alvin Camer was out and that my son does need to bench Alvin Camara

but he doesn't have a phone. and I know that it would be really tight to bike home on time and get to the desktop computer. So I tried logging into his account from my phone because I'm the one who set up his account. But, of course, I forget his password,

so I just end up locking his account totally. A nightmare. And now I can't do it from my phone or anyone's phone. So now we are booking it home on our bikes all while he's chirping at me and I'm trying to get his nine-year-old sister to bike like the wind. We pull into the driveway at 1 o'clock Eastern

on the nose games began, roster's lock, and he had his first experience as a fantasy player with someone getting him a goose egg. He was really mad at me the rest of the day.

A friend suggested to me, I should have had to bench an equivalent player. What are your thoughts? And also, for the record, I didn't bench anyone, and I stomped him thanks to Jalen Hertz's monster Monday.

Wow. Oh, man. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. It sounds like he would have lost. I think the best part of this is him being like, I did all this, fucked up my son's lineup also, but I stomped him anyway. Who's the Ohio State quarterback that was, like, answering a tweet about Cardell Jones? I was answering a tweet about how he like kicked some little kid's ass at a video game and someone

said the score was like 30 to 10. He's like, fuck that. I didn't beat him 30 to 10. It was like 57 to three. And he was just like gloating about it or something. Terrible context, obviously. But you know what I'm talking about. That's exactly what it is. Well, first things first, I mean, the kid started a player who put up a goose egg, so he's got a shotgun of beer. Yeah. And then after that, I don't think there should be any consequence, right?

The dad tried and the kid lost anyway. This is like straight out of a sitcom. Also, wait, I found the Cardell Jones tweet. It's also, it was Cardo Jones, the Ohio State quarterback, visited a children's hospital to play them in Madden. And the headline was, Cardell Jones beats kid in hospital 91 to 35 and he tweeted, man, everyone stopped saying that. It was 98 to 35. I had 91 with a minute and a half left.

That's the best fucking tweet I've ever seen in my life. That's like when Ricky Bobby is playing basketball in the wheelchair and then occasionally he just stands up and like swat somebody. He's like kicking people. It's psychosomatic. So you mean he gets thrown a fire with his thoughts? Dika, can you tell me about being a dad and beating your son at things? Because that's, if this were Calvin, what would you do? This is very funny, though.

I just love the, I love the image of him fucking trying to get the nine-year-old daughter to like, I'm like, hurry the fuck up. We got to get home by one. Like, it's just so funny. Shoot, I don't know what to do here. He kind of convinced his son to like put up a goose egg. And it's his responsibility to get the family home. Yeah.

If you're like going to be like, my son can't have a phone. And my son does have to play in fantasy. And then you convince him to not do it. It's his, it's the dad's fault. It's the dad's fault till this kid is 18 years old. If he's living under his roof. If we're being honest, he gets to have his cake and eat it too. He gets to be like, all right, I'll bench someone also wouldn't have mattered.

It sucks to suck. Get your kid a fantasy football phone. How about that? Just a fantasy burner. I want you to email us at ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. If one, you have stories of you like beating your child in something really well. But more importantly, if you have stories of like your dad being really competitive against you when you were a kid, please email us at ring your fantasy football at gmail.com.

I feel like there's probably some great stories out there. My dad still talks about the first time he realized I could beat him at basketball. And he was like, that was like a pivot point in life. That was like an inflection point where he could no longer be me. Like he would let me win sometimes, you know, like when I was really young. But then he realized like, oh, I can't win if I tried anymore. That's why that scene and he got game with Ray Allen and Denzel Washington, just one of the best scenes in any sports movie

because there's something so primal about just playing your dad, especially in basketball particularly. It's so, it is such a weird thing. Well, it feels like it's like the game is more important than it is. Like if you like trying to beat your dad for the first time and something feels like, yeah. Like the moment of when you become the man of the household

if you win the game, it's like, my dad is now abdicating the throne to me if I beat him in one-on-one right now. She has Shay on it. She always talks about like the first. time is... I was the captain now. Kids beat him in Mario Kart. He was like, oh my God.

But, uh... The best is when your dad... I feel like dad, this is a classic dad move, is you let your son get very close to to winning just to make them feel better. But then, like, you got to secure the W at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna do that all the time.

I'm gonna beat my kid. Can't let the kid think they're the alpha. Yeah. There's going to be a lot of like 11 to 10 one-on-one basketball games with me and my kid until he's like 16. You're going to let him get like a 10-0-0 lead and then come back just to moralize him. Yeah. And I'm like, what?

a comeback you have. Wow. I'm going to reveal a little too much about me, but I, uh, well, my friends, I read Matthew McConaugh's fucking book, which was a whole thing. We actually, we had a book club with my friends and we did Matthew McConae's book. The book was so bad that it ended the book club. But there's a story where basically Matthew McConae's dad and then like, they would basically steal PVC pipes and then sell them for money. And they just had this kind of scam going. And then one day there was some argument about whether someone's something. And I don't remember. And it was Matthew McCona's older brother and his dad.

And they just had a fight. And they just beat the shit out of each other. And then Matthew McConae, he was like 20. And he picks up this thing of plywood. And he's like, don't do it, dad. Don't do it. And his dad gets up and throws a pie. And he just knocks his dad out cold with the piece of plywood.

What? And then he wakes up in the morning and he's like, you're the man of the house now. And he was like, all right. Matthew's older brother. Like, that's it. He's in charge. He's in charge of the company now. Jesus.

You're the man. The dad's like, son, what are we having for dinner tonight? Yeah, you get the leg of chicken. It's a crazy story. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you for emailing us. Thank you in advance to everyone telling us stories about dads,

just dunking on their kids figuratively or literally. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you. The chain smokers. Name a chain smokers song. Can't. Why?

You've been in such a role. Why, where did they even come from? The chain smokers. I don't know. I was thinking about Russ Cole. Just chain smoking. Smoking. Okay.

Gotcha. Oh. What is one of the chain smoker's songs? You know, closer is probably the big one. Something just like this, that was a big one. The beginning of closer does rip. Yeah. I mean, it's a song.

It's like the most played song of the last five years. It is, yeah, it is. It's hard not to be annoyed by it. I actually, I actually, I fucking hate that song the more I think about it. The lyrics, I hate when lyrics are only written for the purpose of like the fact that they need to rhyme so they can record this song and then make money. You don't think it's cool

that like from that mattress that you stole from your roommate back in Boulder? Exactly. It is the dumbest line. So baby pull me closer in the backseat of your rover that I know you can't afford like that tattoo on your shoulder. Pull the sheets right off the corner

of that mattress that you stole from your roommate back in Boulder? We ain't ever getting older. They're just whipping out Boulder, Colorado in a lyric. I think my take is that if you discovered that song on your own, you'd be like, wow, this is great. But then you just were forced to hear it so many times that then you hate it. But it's actually, it's a good song. And here's my theory on this.

So they basically came up with this Boulder line and we're like, this is really, doesn't make any sense. But like it's the only thing we can think of to rhyme with older. So then later in the song, they added a second random city. They have Tucson. It says, stay and play that Blink Winnie, Tusan that we beat to death in Tucson. I did not know that. Oh, boy. They added that to then make the Boulder reference now a part of like the ethos of the song.

Did you know that this, actually, can you guess how many streams closer has in Spotify? 1.8 billion. Yeah, that's the 2 billion, yeah. I will say, better than kid rock rhyming things with things. I would rather that. And we were trying different things and we were smoking different things. different things. Dude, he's given up. He fucking mailed it in. It's not even his song. It's fucking you should have like, what's the worst song? What's the worst song that you love? Oh, God. That's a

great question. That's a great question. The ringer needs to just do like top 10 worst songs ever. That's got to be on there. Dude, I did karaoke. I got to tell you. If you can't say, that's kid rock song bangs. I cannot say. No, it's not even his song, dude. Sweet Home Alabama. You like that song. I know. I always like that song. You don't like kid rock song. I don't. I think he's just good too no they're the same song dude so to say he's singing different words in it it's a different song

he rhymes things with things it's still like same word pleasing to the ear okay hyphids is just saying hi Fitz welcome to our life buddy hyvets had a point no but I will just say email so ringer fantasy football gm.com we want to know also the

worst song that you like love but it has to be like awful like people would be like ugh but like you have to love it just like garbage pot or like some horrible like Cotton Eye Joe that's on goes

oh wait we have to we have so much things to people someone suggested we do Cotton Eye Joe for the handcuff running backs and it's like Jeff Wilson where did he come from where did he go Cottonite Jeff just like every time

you're like Matt Ozziata where are Did this guy come from? Jeff Wilson, North Texas, by the way. I did find that out. Somebody emailed that to us. Somebody texted me too. Yeah.

Shouts Kyle. Remember, North Texas had, weren't they like a 15 seed in the tournament a couple years ago? And they beat like. Yeah. They're the mean green, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They beat like Duke or somebody big.

I forget. All right, let's go. Goodbye, everyone.