The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Top Buy-Low Trade Candidates for Week 3

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

Power Hour! Talking the top NFL Week 3 buy-low trade candidates, Justin Fields of the Navy Midshipmen, Josh Jacobs’s workload, the Cincinnati Bengals, Jahan Dotson’s talent, and more (4:10). “You guys want to do some emails?” (35:42) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Remember 2022 Justin Fields? (4:10) Most of the Cincinnati Bengals offense (7:13) Bet on Josh Jacobs’s workload (9:24) Could Javonte Williams be a sleeping giant? (12:20) Alexander Mattison can’t get any worse, right? RIGHT? (14:24) Jahan Dotson: Trust the talent (17:50) Give Pat Freiermuth another chance and he (probably) won’t let you down (20:11) Deshaun Watson isn’t good, but maybe Elijah Moore still could be (22:41) Kyle Pitts, lmao (25:05) Is Garrett Wilson a buy low or a sell high? (30:49) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Craig, are you excited? This is basically just really depressing shark tank. Are you excited, Craig? It's the beginning of trade season. That's what week three is. It's a great time of the year. This is when you can really get a lot of deals, to be honest. There's some great prices out there right now.

Bark in basement prices. Week one, everyone knows not to overreact in week two. People are like, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. And really you should sort of by who's 0-2 in your league standing is to just go window shop around their teams. And we're going to go through by-low. And honestly, talk about by-low and saying that grinds my gears a little bit is people are always like, oh, well, I don't know.

Christian McCaffrey had one bad. He didn't. But Christian McAfrie had a bad game. go from it's actually really hard to trade in fantasy like decay it's difficult to actually complete a trade in a league it's actually you have to like let the stars align right i mean the better example potentially is like a jemar chase type guy it's like it's gonna be hard to get a player of that caliber off of someone after just like two two bad weeks what we're doing today i think is more close to like people are starting to panic about these players and we're going to talk about

why you should be capitalizing on that panic right now right yeah i want to talk about i think that there's the five Bs of buying low. It's the Warren Buffett rule. It's got to be bold when others are fearful. Michael Bluth rule. A by low player has to be playing so badly that the person looks at them on their team. It's like, I have made a huge mistake. Like, you need that.

And then it's the blurb rule, which is they're thinking that they click on the player's name and the blurb pops up and they read it and they're like, oh my God, I did make a huge mistake. If the player has a positive blurb, no one's ever traded a player lower than the value they drafted them out two weeks later if the blurb is nice. If the blur, you need a little depressing blurb. And then also, like, you just need a little bounce back bet. Like, you actually have to have a reason I think the guy's going to bounce back. They're talented.

They're not, but they have a good role or they just had bad luck or whatever. So we're going to run through all. And I like the B rule because wasn't the housing crisis started with all the AAA ratings? We're basically doing triple B ratings. Like these are all just BBBs, like guys with bad blurbs and bad weeks and everything. So we're going to do a power hour style. But Craig, before we even get into that, anything else you want? I need just trading advice other than just don't be an idiot and offer someone your worst three players for their best guy.

If you play on Yahoo, this is very stupid, but I'm telling you it matters. When you send somebody a trade, there's like a trade evaluator that is kind of like the intermediary between the trade. It allows the person you're trading with to like see and use whatever arbitrary projection model that Yahoo has to determine whether or not this trade is a winner or loss. And unfortunately, you need that trade to be in the green for the person you're trading to or their most. likely not going to pull the trigger. It makes no sense, but it's just how it goes. We are simple creatures, and you need to see green numbers on a screen to feel confident that you are not getting ripped off.

So it's just a part of the game. It's not like a liquid market. Like, you look up like, oh, this player should be worth this. And it's like, okay, but in reality, there's two people whose team probably aligns with you. And one of them doesn't check their roster. And so you just have one person and just got to, like, it's just sometimes, I don't know. It's not always easy.

But we're going to go through the by-low guys. We're going to power rank all the biolo guys entering week three. We're going to do this power hour style. If you haven't done that before, it's very simple. Power every two minutes, you're going to hear this sound from the beloved TomTom Club, which couldn't get legally cleared on Fianville TV. So you'll hear something different there. They're both great songs.

And then every two minutes in theory, we're going to move on. So without further ado, I power, D.K. and Craig sent me there by-low candidates. I rank them all if you don't like the order. Let us know we're ranking. So without further to, we're going to power rank the biggest by-los. And first up, start the clock, Kai. D-K, my picture is you had Justin Fields, quarterback for the Bears. This is a good one because this is gross.

This is a gross player. Going to be honest, kind of scared to recommend this one, which I think is the perfect example of a type of player we're going to talk about today. Like, things are not looking really well. Things are not looking very good for this guy right now. Like there's talk of him getting benched at some point this season. I know I've said it feels like the Bears are trying to essentially undermine him and just like move on from him, get the fans to turn against him.

So that's not great. All these things are not good, which is why I think it's, is the time to pounce if you really still believe in his talent and still most importantly believe in his ability to run. And if you go back to last year, honestly, remember at this time last year, a lot of people were dropping Justin Fields. He had a couple very, very bad games to start the year. He has yet to take any semblance of a jump as a passer. But again, going back to he rushed for a thousand yards. He averaged over 10 fantasy points just from rushing over the last five games, or sorry, over the last nine games of the season. He ended up.

being the QB5 on the season just because he's such an electric runner. And to me, it just feels like the bears are going to have no choice but to let him run going forward. They haven't had a lot of design runs for him yet. But I feel like there is a chance this coaching staff is going to feel like they're going to get fired along with Justin Fields. And so I think the running is going to come. And that's the bet that we're making here, that the running will start happening.

I think this is phenomenal because whoever drafted Justin Fields, all you can think right now, you Google Justin's click the Burles. Oh. my God, he's terrible. That's the time to strike. And you know what's nice? He's had two horrific games, put up 15 points and 16 points. I know. Like the floor is still so high because he can play like shit. Pardon my French. And his running upside. He had a touchdown last week. He had 60 yards rushing a week one. Like he could be the worst passing quarterback in the league, which he might be. And yet you're

still looking at 15, 16 points a game, which is something like a guy, Zach Wilson just can't get to. I think to me, like you said, the floor is still really good. good. And all of those yards, for the most part, have come on scrambles so far. He's scrambled. He's still scrambling a good amount. And that's because he's a slow processor as a passer, which of course is adding into the total panic from Bears fans and fantasy managers all over the world. But again, if he starts having more design runs, you know, he has top five potential. And that's why we drafted him. I think you're right, TK. If you just blatantly disrespect the Tom Tom, but it's totally fine. That's fine. Next up here, all right, I'm just, it's the Bengals, dude. I know you said up top,

about Jamar Chase, but I just, so it's all the Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Joe Mixin. I think it depends. I would say, so for example, we were actually having an argument this morning about what a Bilo was, and we were talking about like whether A.G. Brown and J. Brown and J. Brown hasn't been that good. Chase has been even worse. The difference is there's no reason to worry about A.G. Brown. I think the difference is you do want to check it on Jemar Chase because it's like, Joe Burrow is hurt. And honestly, we don't know what's going to happen, right? Like, how long is Burr going to be out? Like, what did come back from cat, like a calf injury is like really not a

science. It's just feel. And we don't know what's going to happen if Burrow is going to miss time. But I don't, if you have Joe Burrow, you're probably pretty panicking if you have him. If you have Chase, I mean, Jamar Chase is, see if 70 receiving yards in the entire year. If you can acquire Chase basically for even 95% of the cost, it's probably worth it. Like, just you have to pay almost as if he's whole and then mix it. I don't know. It's weird to talk about acquiring injured players. This is almost an extension of like Joe Burrow, Echler, Seiquon, and all these guys. But generally, how do you feel about like acquiring injured dudes. Not great.

It's funny because High Fitz, you're the one who seems to be the most scared about buying injured players. And now you're bringing up Jamar Chase slash Joe Burrow here. I just don't think Jamar Chase is a buy low because his, his value is still too high? Like, you'd have to trade Citi Lamb for him. And like, is that a

bylaw at that point? You need to be giving up somebody like Keenan Allen or somebody who used Mike Evans is a great sell high for a bylaw, right? You give Mike Evans for Jamar Chase. The problem is no one's going to do that because somebody spent $60 on Jamar Chase and took him as the fourth overall pick. And two bad weeks, like the number one narrative, I feel like in fantasy right now.

And even in the regular NFL, it's like, don't panic on the Bengals. It's going to be okay. It's a long season. It's been two bad weeks. If this was week five and Jamar Chase was doing this, then I think it qualifies. I'm not sure it does right now. What about Burrow himself? Do you kind of just want to capitalize and panic?

If the guy's got Joe Burrow and like Anthony Richardson, we just try to get Burrow for, I don't know. See, that's different because you actually might be able to. get burrow at a discount because of the calf. And if you're like, screw it, three weeks, maybe they'll bench you for a week and he'll get healthy. I actually think that's like more realistic. Joe Mixen, I think, is a great by-low. He's getting a lot of volume. That's fair. All right. Next up here. Number three, by-lows entering week three. Craig, you put Josh Jacobs running back for the Raiders. I saw that and we were, again, I was

wondering, like, is this a by-low? And then I click, again, the blurb test. You click on the blurb. You know what you see? He had negative two yards this week. That's tough. It's not scary. And the difference between like a guy like like Jamar Chase versus Josh Jacobs They both had awesome years last year Is because the Raiders stink And talking about the Bengals Like the Bengals are going to be good

The Bengals are a Super Bowl contender The Raiders aren't So even if Josh like Josh Jacobs hasn't had two good games Right he's got 46 rushing yards in two games And the fear What I would be telling the person I'm trying to trade with Is that man the Raiders might suck They might get blown out every game

Like they did against the bills And Josh Jacobs is going to be in negative game script He's going to be getting 12 carries for 40 yards every game The reason why I like him is he's still getting a ton of touches. He's getting like 18 touches a game. He's also catching way more passes with Jimmy G. He's second in the NFL among running backs in teams target percentage behind only Bejan Robbins, which is kind of crazy considering what the narrative used to be on Josh Jacobs.

And last year, right, last year he led a league in rushing, 1600 rushing yards. Last year after two weeks, he was averaging 60 yards a game and one catch per game, and they were 0 and 2. So this basically was already happening last year. And I just think they've had two awful matchups. They got killed by the bills. and then they played the Denver Rundee, who was blown up their offensive line and Josh Jacobs was getting hit

behind the line of scrimmage. Their next three weeks, they got the Steelers who are giving up the most rushing yards in the league, the Chargers who are terrible against the ground, who just got torched by Derek Henry,

and then Green Bay, who's giving up the third most rushing yards in the league. So I think this is a perfect spot to get in for Jacobs. He's also a guy that... Vigorously nodding. I mean, I...

Vigorously. I agree that he is a bylaw. I think this is a great opportunity because there's such bad vibes around what he's doing. Negative two yards. Obviously, you can capitalize on that,

probably. I think there's also just this variable that he's out of shape. You know what I mean? Like he held out for most of the training camp. He got a little bit of a pay raise. And then he came in and to me he just did not look as explosive as we saw last year. I think he's still working his way. He looked a little thick.

Yeah, he's working his way into football shape. It might take a week or two. But I think he's going to get there and he's going to look a lot closer to what we saw last year, which is one of the most explosive, elusive running backs in the NFL guy who creates on his own. And you're going to get a lot of value if you can trade for him now. He also seems 29 years old. He's 25.

Yeah. It's 2023. You guys are just body shamming Josh Jacobs. He's going to get in shape. I heard the announcers were doing like the, oh, you know, when he was not at training camp, like he was keeping in shape. He was doing altitude training to prepare for Denver, you know, and all this stuff. And then he showed up and I saw him on the field and I was like, hey, it looks thick. This happens all the time, though.

You just can't, you can't replicate it. I love Debo Samuel coming in this season and being able to. Like, yeah, last year I was mad about the contract, totally out of shape. Yeah. Devo's the same as a great example. He did the exact same thing. What a weird profession. Yeah.

All right. Next up here, you put Giovante Williams running back for the Broncos. This is another one that I'm a little bit nervous about, which I think, again, is the litmus test for whether this actually works. I'm nervous to trade for this guy, but the thesis was always that he's going to get stronger and get a bigger amount of volume as the year goes on. This guy's coming off of a major knee injury. And if I'm being totally honest, he looked better than I expected in, in one.

week one because there was a lot of question marks whether he was going to even be ready to go at the start of the season. To me, he's past the eye test so far. He's splitting time right now with Smaget Pirine. But the splits overall are encouraging. He's averaging 15 touches per game compared to P. Ryan's eight touches per game. He's running, he's getting 39% targets per route run. So he's seeing a target on almost 40% of the routes that he runs this year, which is great. And so to me, the bet here is twofold. Number one, that he's He's a good fit for Sean Payton's scheme, which has always sort of been very checkdown, reliant.

Like remember, Jew Bree's constantly relying on the quick outlet, the running back checkdown. Russell Wilson, in his year, this year, he's got a 32% target rate to running backs. His career average before that was 17. It's almost double with Sean Payton. And so I'm just hoping that really kind of pans out long term. I think he's, you know, of course going to be in a rotation here. But I think Williams is the better talent. He's the more elusive guy.

I think Somaji Puran is kind of just a guy. And so I'm betting on the talent. I'm betting on the usage and the role. That's what Bill Simmons did with us when he started this podcast. He was like, I'm just going to bet on talent. Danny, Danny, Craig. Exactly. I don't care about the numbers right now.

I'm going to bet on the talent. Are we the Broncos backfield to get just kind of like this old hand? It's not a great comp for us if we're the Denver backfield. But I mean, this is not dissimilar. I mean, it's a little like Josh Jacobs and that. Like these guys are talented running back. who have somewhat proven it. Josh Jacobs a little more than Giovante.

But this is a long-term play here that down the road, Giovante's the best back. Right. And he's going to come through. My next one here is in the same vein, but it's a very different vibe, which is Alexander Madison. Alexander Madison for the Vikings.

Let's go. This is my guy. It's a real by low because just yuck. I mean, honestly, just trading for Madison, you've got to be a little like, oh. Gotta be a little crazy. This is scarier than trading for fields. So, if you.

you drafted Madison, you were like, oh, this is easy. I'm just getting like discount Dalvin Cook. I'm brilliant. And then you come in and he's averaging 31 rushing yards a game. And you're like, oh, well, I kind of lit that on fire, didn't I? And you're tweeting Craig Horlebeck saying, hey, thanks a lot, jerk. Kind of ruined my week. So I'm like, ah, sorry.

Even ickier, I actually don't think Alex Madison's good. I, the person telling you to trade from, I actually don't think he's like anything over an average running back. I think he might be average at best. So is that a good pitch so far? Yeah. Tell me this pen. Yeah, exactly. The pen had some bad matchups.

They played the Bucks in week one. Bucks have an incredible front. The defensive line of the Bucks is still solid. And then they play the Eagles. Jalen Carter just got added to the Eagles defensive line. Jalen Carter is already one of the best defensive tackles in the league. Like the Eagles defensive line rocked the Vikings' offensive line. They couldn't run the ball.

And so the next games coming up for the Vikings are way better. Like they got the Chargers, the Panthers, the Chiefs, the Bears. These are not good defensive fronts necessarily, especially, I mean, the bears, the charges. I just, I'm not as afraid of their run defense. The other one, Madison's going to stay the running back. He's getting 75% of the stuff. The other guy in the Viking, no, the only other person who's got to carry is Ty Chandler.

Ty Chandler has four carries for zero yards. He's the starting running back. So I think that Madison's one of the few guys that actually the person drafted them thinks less of them than they did three weeks ago. This is the kind of trade where you can actually low ball and get away. with it. You know what I mean? Like, you can throw, you can throw out kind of like insulting offers for, for like most of the guys on this list, you probably got to like pick and choose who you're sending in an offer to him. But like someone with Alexander Madison might be

truly panicking right now and will take anything that you offer. Well, what's nice about this Madison thing. I love this one. High office is because like he was kind of already gross when you drafted him. Like I feel like the person who drafted him like begrudgingly drafted him because he fell or they like accidentally clicked enter when bidding? for him. And now they're like, all right, we'll see. Two weeks in, they're like, this was a mistake. So this is really good. Get ready to start the NFL week off right, because right now all customers can get

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game which is just brutal it's a it's a brutal start for him he's the wide receiver 73 through two weeks um but basically the entire thesis of my of my trade here is that he's really good and he is locked in as the one a or one b in this passing game so right now like The target rate is not where you want it to be. It's 19%. And he hasn't scored a touchdown. He hasn't been actually targeted in the end zone yet. I think both of those things are going to basically regress to me and positively regress.

I think he's going to be a bunch of bigger focal point in this offense going forward. And he's going to end up being the guy we expected him to be. So, you know, for people that are freaking out and have Johan Dotson, they probably can't start him right now. I think just go, go, again, go low ball someone, offer him like a guy that you got off the waiver wire and see what you can get because I think his, role is going to improve and an increase as we go on. I think this makes a ton of sense because the way that Dotson is drafted, people don't really want him in their lineup anymore. And then you kind of like it, like you, again, a lot of times what happens is someone

has added someone from waivers. Like if this person added Pooka Naku or something, and they're like, I don't even need this guy anymore. You're like, yeah, sure, whatever. Like you're probably, they might even be. Well, don't trade puka. Don't trade puka for this guy. No, no.

I'm saying the person who added, has Dotson. Right. I don't need Dotson. Whatever. Yeah, it's whoever it could be. It doesn't matter. It can be Kyron Williams. The point is, everyone has added a waiver player by now.

It's like someone has a receiver they like. And you're like, oh, like, when you come in for the low ball, they're like, yeah, actually, sure, whatever. Yeah, I like that just like last year, Dodson, like the stats you were saying, D.K, the fact that they, like, share the same percentage of the teams of air yards. Dotson is really a 1B to McLaren's 1A, if not just like dead even. And it'll eventually even out. Like what we saw last year about Dodson is real and he's not second fiddle to

McLaurin. They're just like two great weapons on either side. He's also just good. Watch him play. He's good. Yeah. Watch the tape. Great timing there. And then you came in on the back end. I was a, it was literally about to say great timing. Damn. All right. What a song. The next one here we got Craig. Back to you. You had Pat Friarmooth tied in for the Steelers. I love this one. I get it. Two catches through two games. Not great. Not great. It's like it's yeah, it's cool. Pucker factor on the touchdown. What's the pucker factor?

What number are we at here with sending out tradeoffers? The two catch guy with the chest injury? A lot of puck. A lot of puck in the chest. Look, I still think despite the horrific Monday night game where the Steelers defense outscored the offense, I think the Steelers are a by-low offensively. Look, they play the Niners in the Browns, right? Two top five defenses, ridiculous defensive lines.

Pickett has been under fire for two straight games, honestly, pretty much his whole career. If you look at Pickett's 14 starts, like 11 of them are against like top 10 defenses. The guy has not had great schedule luck. But if you look at what happened, the next four weeks now, finally Pickett is going to be able to breathe, I think. Next week they're playing the Raiders. The Raiders are dead last and pressure rate in the league. After that, Texans, Ravens, Rams, these are all like middle-of-the-road defenses. And Deonti Johnson's on IR, their best receivers.

So, you know, Pickens is awesome. He's amazing. He's the new number one on this team. But I think Pat Fryer-Muth will should return to being the number two. two guy. Also, Titan is so bleak right now. If somebody is not starting Pat and they added Sam Leporta or Luke Musgrave and you're like, I'm going to slip in and trade for Pat Fireman because you think he's a bust.

I think that's a great move. Two catches for five yards is so funny to look at. Like, it's not like I say look at a stat, but if you stare at two and five, like your brain's like, is something wrong here? One was a touchdown. One was a touchdown. I mean, Craig, this is a guy. I think he had 98.

50% touchdown rate. Didn't he have 98 target? I mean, this is a guy who has proven in the past that he can earn targets. This to me just feels like massive variance based on the opponents that I had. Look at the 49ers are probably the best team at taking away the middle of the field in the NFL. So that's not really his game. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I think the defenses have really dictated how the Steelers have done so far.

I mean, Pickett is getting thrown around like a ragdoll back there. Pickett plays like he's 5-11. Like, I can't believe he's 6-3-220. He really looks like he's six foot. Don't you think he looks like Baker Mayfield out there? He plays like he has the smallest hands in NFL history. He does. Hmm.

Just saying oneth percentile. Keeps stretching the hands, Kenny. Zeroeth. Yeah. Sticking in that game, Craig, you also had Elijah Moore for the Browns. And I thought that was funny because you're right, where I can't think of a better by-low than watching those Steelers-Browns game last night where we're like, wow, these two offenses are pathetic.

The Steelers didn't get within the 30-yard line last night. It's a good note. And then the Browns were worse? I don't even know. Yeah, look. So I, like, yeah. Elijah Moore has six catches through two games, which is kind of a bummer. However, a lot of silver linings, but he's basically taken over Donovan People Jones.

Not in terms of like, yes, like snaps, but in terms of who Deshawn's throwing to, it is now Amari 1A, Elijah Moore, a very close one B. They're only one target apart. I know Deshaun can't get any worse, but that's kind of what I'm selling you right now is like, is he the 31st best quarterback in the league? I don't think so. even if he can be like a middling quarterback this year, Elijah Morris had a ton of targets and he's open a lot. DeShan's just been bad. So if you kind of want to bet on him bouncing back,

Elijah Moore's super talented. Amari's Cooper's beat up a lot. And Donovan People's Jones is not getting targets now. So I like Elijah Moore as a bylaw. I love Donovan and People's Jones entering the season because I was like, what if he's just what people want Elijah Moore to be and Donovan People Jones is free. And I don't regret it because he was the last pick. However, you can cut him.

And you're right. Elijah Moore, I also don't regret not. If you didn't get Elijah Moore, you're not missing anything because he's done nothing. But if you watch him on the field, you're totally right. You kind of watch him like, oh my God, how can they not get this guy the ball? He does look always open or always doing something. This is actually a perfect example of a player that you can exploit the actual, like just box

score readers. You know what I mean? Like if you didn't watch this game last night against the Steelers, you'd say, oh, he had nine targets for three catches and 36 yards. But you would fail to realize that he had two other that would have been. catches. He just barely stepped on the side line on one of them, which would have been about a 30 yard gain.

And then I don't know, there was another one where he just barely was out of bounds again for another, probably around 30 yards or something. So he would have had an additional two catches in 60 yards. He would have looked like a really good stat line. Plus, with Nick Chub out, going forward, you're going to see him more in the backfield. You know what I mean? He's kind of got like the Percy

Harvin slash Randall Cobb style usage. And so for the people that are box They're not going to realize, like, he was a lot closer to having, like, five catches for 100 yards than people realize. That's a great call, Craig. Thank you. So, so nice.

All right, you guys aren't going to like this one. Yeah, you're right. Call my own number here. Kyle Pitts, tied in for the Falcons. I'm going to head to the bathroom. I'll be back in two minutes. I cannot do this. I can't, though.

That's it. It has to be. Just do the monologue. It's not a by low. unless you got to get him like what him you give me any player i will give you Kyle Pitts that's why you should get him that's what I'm saying like the people who entered this year and drafted Kyle Pitts convinced themselves it would be different they have they're filled with so much self-hate yeah I don't endorse this at all drafted cow pits two weeks into the season

has realized oh i just signed up for the same ride as last year like and that's the thing I think you can get them for nothing and all the upside of like, okay, all the underlying metrics of like, he's like the third biggest gap in expected fantasy points, which is just expected fantasy points, just of all the times you're on the field and targeted, the value of your usage and opportunity versus what you've actually done. He has like the third biggest gap.

And again, that's kind of what happens when you're really good and open all the time and they can't throw. However, I kind of think you can get them for nothing. Kyle Pitts has four catches for 59 yards in the season, under 60 yards. The person who has them's already sick of them. What you want is people who've driven the car off the line, and are already willing to be like, damn, I'll sell it for half price, whatever.

That's what I'm saying. Like, just take the upside, but instead of paying for it in your draft, just go get it for free. Here's the problem, my sweet, my sweet boy. You trade him for cowfitts, right? You trade them for a nickel on the dollar. Congrats. But then the guy who gave them to you, maybe, you know, or let's say you are struggling that tight and you have Zach Ertz.

And you're like, I'm going to take a flyer, I'm going to trade for Cow Pits for nothing. And now I'll get the upside of Kyle Pitts. Well, every week, now you're going to stare at Zach Ertz or Kyle Pitts, and you're going to get tricked into the shiny quarter on the ground, and you're going to go, you know what, I'm not going to start Zach Ertz over Kyle Pitts. And every week, Zach Ertz will outscore Kyle Pitts, and you will be tricked into starting Kyle Pitts every week. He will be sucked into his vortex, and you'll be back into that muck

that you didn't want to be in from last year. That's fair? Just stay with Zach Hertz. It's better. Keep him. Kyle Pitts is a siren song. Honestly, he's kind of like the tight end. Tony. You don't even have to play him. Just buy him while he's at rock bottom and maybe he

like has a few great games and then traded with someone who actually believes. I would say there's one stat that actually makes me buy this. And here it is. He's running a route on double the amount of at a double rate than what he ran last year in terms of their team's dropbacks. So he's running a route actually on 92% of the team's dropbacks, which is second among all tight ends in the NFL. This is what we wanted. Last year, Craig, last year it was full. 43%. You know, though, look, I've watched every falcon snap this year because I'm obsessed with them. You know, when, like, parents...

I'm obsessed with them. You know when, like, parents want their kids to do something because they're annoying them or, like, older brothers tell the younger brothers, they say, like, I bet you you can't get to run to the tree in back in 60 seconds, and the kids like, oh, okay, he runs. That's essentially what they're doing to Kyle Pitts. He's just distracting him. Just distracting him. Yeah.

Every time Desmond Raider dropbacks, he's either throwing immediately to Drake London on some little slant or he's throwing to his running backs. They're just, he's just not looking for Kyle Pitts. Cow pitch is 40 yards down the field. He's not even looking. You know that sitting coach Carter where he's like, you owe me a thousand suicide, like, 500 up downs and he's just like hoping he'll quit. And then the kid actually does all the running.

They're like, hey, Kyle, I bet you can't run a post in three seconds. And he's like, watch me. And then they jump it off to Bejan Robinson. I'm just saying like, I, 50, 50 shot the person has Carl Pitts in your league is like actively like hating themselves. And they're like, yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true.

That's like the. just stash him on your bench. Who's the worst player you could trade for Kyle Pitts, you think? Like, realistically. Josh Reynolds. I feel like that's like offering too much. Like,

I think you could be, like you could go worse than that. Come on. Give me someone worse. Like, 2-2. Marcus Valdus Scantling. 2-2-2.

I don't think people would do that. Nick Westwood. If you got them on waivers, like that's the thing. Chase Claypool. Basically, I'd cut. Oh. Chase Claypool just scored a touchdown.

I think you should throw that out there. If you're out there listening, try and trade for Kyle Pitts with Chase Claypool if he's on your team. He's probably on waivers. Pick him up and then try and trade for him. Rashaw Bayton? He must have a ringer fantasy football. Yeah, you could definitely do that. Yeah, you could probably do that.

River, I don't know. Durham Smyth. Stone Smyth. No, don't trade Durham Smyth. Donald Parham Jr. Durham Smyth is finishing. He's finishing ahead of Pitts, guaranteed. Someone emailed us and asked whether Kyle Pitts would surpass Nick Chub and yards this year.

And I had to think about it. How many does Nick Chub have? Like 100 something? He'll pass him, I think. Could you trade Marvin Mims for Kyle Pitts? No. Oh, yes. I think you could.

No. Marvin Mims has like four times as many points. He has like six. He has four times as many points and six steps. Actually, Marvin Mims is actually the anti-pits. Because he's never on the field, but every time he is, he scores a touchdown. And that is the literal opposite of Kyle Pitts. Yeah.

Marvin Mins is already one third of the way to Kyle Pitts's touchdown total. Jeez. Which is kind of incredible to be clear. I do not endorse this either, Craig. I'm with you. I don't condone this type of behavior. That's, you have to, everyone's afraid. That's when you be bold.

It's God, just come on. All right. The last one here I want to do, number 10. This isn't even an endorsement. I wanted to actually ask you guys a question because I think this is fascinating. The single hardest person, I think, to price in fantasy football right now is Garrett Wilson. the receiver for the Jets. And I wanted to ask you guys,

I'll start with, I'll start with Craig. Is Garrett Wilson a by-low because the vibes around the Jets are horrific and everyone knows Zach Wilson sucks, but he might have a better quarterback later? Or is Garrett Wilson a sell high because he just had two touchdowns in his last two games,

and that's probably not going to keep happening with Zach Wilson. I think he's a cell high, right? I mean, look, He's technically the 16th wide receiver in fantasy right now. His projections still look good. Yahoo hasn't quite figured it out yet. They're still giving him north and 10 points projected a game. I don't have, because I didn't know you were going to bring this up.

I don't have the stats pulled up about him. But his splits with Zach Wilson and without Zach Wilson are horrific. He essentially is like A.J. Brown without Zach Wilson, and he's River Craigcraft with Zach Wilson. So I think he's a cell high. Here's my take. Here's my take. Yeah.

Well, sell high. Sell high is relative because when I say so high, I mean sell high, as in it will only go lower. Obviously, his value has already plummeted. He's already a car that's been driven off a lot, obviously. So here's the deal. Here's the problem. So he has a 30% target rate, which ranks ninth among all receivers. He has seven catches, which is barely top 50.

He's also the king of the miracle thing. Yeah. The volume is not going to be there. Look, he had one slant for 75 yards. That's it. Yeah. I would sell high for sure. I don't think Zach Wilson is going to get any better at this point.

Someone asked if they should trade him for Amari Cooper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we should go down the list, though. It's like, put it this way. I don't, could you, Pooka Nakua? If you're just like, if you have a friend who's like, hey, I added Pooka Naku on waivers,

I feel like it's found money. I'm just going to like turn him into Garrett Wilson. Yes. Would you be like, no, don't do that? I would do that 100%. I'd rather have a hookah. Wait, if. In redraft, yes.

You'd rather have Puka over? 100%. Yeah. We got to find the line here. Pooka. What about Mike Williams? I'd rather Mike Williams. Yes.

I think I'd rather have Mike Williams at this point. There's actually, you have to, it's hard to express in words my, my lack of faith and Zach Wilson to like give Garrett Wilson. What if they got into quarterback the rock? Are they going to? I don't know, but that's the thing. I get that, if that's the bet you're making by hanging. on to Garrett Wilson, then I suppose that makes some sense.

But if you think that they're going to go Zach Wilson all year. I think they've got to get Jacoby Brissette. All right. What about, all right, DJ Moore. Oh, God. Garrett Wilson. I rather than Garrett Wilson. Yeah, I think that's the line.

Because I'm thinking, you know what I mean? Like Jahan Dotson at that point, you should take freaking Garrett Wilson. George Pickens. Like George Pickens, you can't put George Pickens. I'd rather have Pickens. I'd rather have Pickens over Garrett Wilson. Yeah. But if the Jets get a quarterback.

Okay. I don't think they're going to get a quarterback one, but two, somebody needs to find the with Zach Wilson without Zach Wilson split hyphids. They are so bad. Truly, if you look back at last year, when the Jets had either Joe Flacco or Mike White,

they averaged the, they were the number one team in passing yards per game. And it was like Garrett Wilson was going off. And when Zach Wilson was playing, they were dead last. That's how big of a difference. Any other quarterback in the world versus Zach Wilson is. I have zero faith that Zach Wilson is going to do anything.

I think the real, the true discussion here is not like sell high or who are you going to sell him for or who are you going to, you know, trade him for or whatever. It's like how long will Zach Wilson be the quarterback? That's the real test. That's a real question. If you think it's only two weeks, hang on it, Garrett Wilson. If you think they're going to. But that's kind of what we're bail. I know.

But that's the thing. If you think it's going to be then that you might want to try and trade for him. That's kind of why I think it's such an interesting question. Yeah, it is. It actually is. If they go and get pretty much any other quarterback, I'm back in on Garrett, but the current state of affairs, I'm scared.

Here, I'll pull up the stat. I have the stats right here. What if they signed Colt McCoy? The guy who basically retired because his arm doesn't work anymore, that one? Yes. Joe Flacco's still out there. I'm just saying, and he wants to play.

Matt Ryan technically hasn't retired yet. Oh, my gosh. These poor Jets. So just to take just Joe Flacco and Mike White last year versus Zach Wilson. The splits, the difference is, well, yeah, Garrett Wilson had all four of his touchdowns with Flacco and Mike White. And he had two-thirds of his yards,

even though they played fewer games. It's really tough. He basically had 50% more catches with those two, even though they actually had fewer games. So that's not great. All right, well, Garrett Wilson, good luck. Sorry. All right.

Let's get to some emails. You guys want to do a little fantasy court? Yeah. Fantasy court time, baby. baby. All right. This is from Anonymous. Anon.

Ooh. Oh, non. You know, you could just make up a name. That's more fun. Why would I do that? Should I? I don't know. So we can give this person a name.

Oh, okay. This is from Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson. Garrett. I'm thinking about quitting my job. Like where this is going. No, it's just a Garrett Wilson joke. All right, whatever.

No, I'm going to read the image. All right, fantasy court time. I'm in a 12-team Dynasty League with my friends from work. During last night's Browns Steelers game, I got an alert about a new trade. The alert said that during the commercial break, following Nick Chubb's horrific injury, someone actually executed a trade of Nick Chubb for DeAndre Swift,

two first-round picks and two third-round picks. Wow, that's tough. This morning we find out the trade offer had been out there for two weeks, and that the two parties had essentially raced each other to either accept it or the other guy to withdraw the trade before the injury. Now the league is in an uproar. People wanted to be vetoed. Others wanted to be put to a vote. So what do you say high fantasy court?

Should you just not actively try to screw over your buddies or should you be more on top of the office you have outstanding? D.K., what's your immediate reaction? Okay. First off, let's start with best practices. If you have, like, outstanding trade offers before game start, you should probably go ahead. and take them off the table. Like, that's a best practice thing that you should do. If you have outstanding trades that haven't been accepted or denied,

decline them or whatever, take them off the table during games. Because this is what happens. Players get injured. That being said, this is totally Bush League of this guy to go ahead and accept it. This is BS. They should absolutely veto this. This is not in the spirit of the rules at all. I think they should veto this.

Agree, veto. There's some bad karma coming those guys way who are sending that Nick Chubbred. This is bad faith. this isn't like a thing where it's like, oh, you shouldn't, you shouldn't, people shouldn't litigate trades, like whatever, people can see different values with different guys. Like, this is a potentially career injury. Yeah, this is bad faith. You know what it is?

It's someone saw the replay of Dick Chubbs knee going 90% and it was Tim Robinson. I got to figure out to make money on this. Yeah, that's Bush League. I mean, yeah, that's tough. Messed up. Do you think anyone in this league is going to be like defending this trade and thinking that it should go through? Is anybody in this league for this?

besides the guy who did it. I think people would be like, don't leave offers out there. Two first round picks and DeAndre Swift and two thirds for guys who may never play again.

That's, come on. Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Horrific swindling. I think to me, this is the perfect situation where I personally believe like commissioners should wield at least

some sort of like I rule with an iron fist. Not everything should be democratic. I feel like the, I feel like the commissioner should just say, no, this is not going through. Sometimes you got to go full David's turn.

Exactly. Sometimes you just have to like step in. There's only one rule, which is it's in good faith or not. And like, again, the only rule we have are like, hey, did the two people want to do this? This is America. And one of them is like, no, because he broke his leg. You're like, oh, yeah. Okay, cool.

That's, that's, let's say no. All right. We also got an email. This is, this is from Daniel. Danny. Daniel, Danny. Dan. So, remember a couple of episodes because we were talking about how a guy had emailed us that

someone in his league had taken Brian Robinson in the first round because he thought he was Bejan Robinson. Love that. And then that guy's winning his league. And then, D.K., you told the story about how your mother-in-law drafted Dan Orlovsky in the first round last year. The funniest pick I've ever seen in my life. Yes. I'm not even mad. I'm impressed.

How did you do that? Really? That was an amazing. How'd you find him to navigate? I don't even know how he did that. I'm impressed. Yeah. What have Jackie's friends drafted Anthony Sherman?

And I'm like, how did you find Anthony Sherman? What? What did you say? I like checked the sorting everything. That is amazing. See like the one with the most 0.0 projection and you did it backward? Like how did it's not alphabetical? There's like.

There's like. I thought that too, but there's like. Do they think it was Richard Sherman? Does IDP? I was looking up his college. I was like trying to figure out how you could have even spent it. Anthony Richardson. Anthony Rich Sherman.

No, this is last year. The confusion. There were no Anthony's. Oh, wow. I was like, it's, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Okay, interesting. Well, I love those.

So, email for the best. Danny. We're doing our online draft a few weeks ago and everyone is there except for one person. We text them, we ping him. Finally, I call him. He answers the phone. And it sounds like I woke him up. He freaks out and he says he slept through his alarm.

So I hear him slamming around his bedroom trying to fire up his computer. He jumps onto the Yahoo draft app and furiously starts going through his list of sleepers, marking them in the draft. you know how you can cue the players and whatever draft room you're in? Yeah. But our friend doesn't realize that he has the first pick

and he's on the clock. So it auto drafts for him. But the problem with auto draft is it pulls from the queued guys if you have them queued. But he's queuing his sleepers. So he auto drafts Jordan Love with the first pick.

All right. Aggressive. And he's so deep. He's so deep into marking his sleepers. He didn't even notice that he picked him. The next guy, guy grabs Jefferson, third guy's on the clock, and the friend looks up and he realizes what he did. And instead of being embarrassed, he's like, you know what, Jordan Love, going to have a

breakout year. Just watch. Lean into it. I love that. Yeah. This person, positive vibes only. The guy who did this is in first place undefeated is the most points in the league. This is, yeah, at the risk of like undermining us, fantasy is so dumb. Like, you can auto pick and your team can be extremely good. This is like how kind of like silly this whole thing is to me. There's a case to be made that that auto drafting is the best strategy because everybody's just overthinking and auto draft just takes like the best players at every position. Well, it's the wisdom of crowds, right? Like this is, yeah, there's a reason these guys are ranked or have the ADP or whatever.

It's like a lot of people agree this guy's going to be good. And so maybe we should just listen to the crowd. It's the running bit on the league for like, what was the league made? Like 15 years ago at this point where talk, their friends. like their crazy brother Taco who doesn't know anyone and doesn't watch football wins every year because he just shows up and they're like

oh I'll take like Lladenian Tomlinson and they're like he retired then he comes out of retirement and he plays for it. It's like all this dumb stuff. I feel like for real though, the biggest thing and this is why Matthew Berry always talks about

how you can lose your league in the first round. The biggest edge in fantasy is not like deciding which players to pick. It's deciding which players to not pick. You know what I mean? like the biggest avoids in any certain round. To me, that's like the most important thing. Like otherwise, just pick guys that are around their ADP.

That's why I was surprised you gave me grief about injured players. And I'm like, I don't want Cooper Cup on my team. And you were just giving me grief. That, to me, that's a very specific example. Generally speaking, yeah, like maybe you should avoid injured players. But Cooper Cup is built diff, you know? And it was just bad luck that he got hurt again. You know what it freaks me out when people who are older than me use language that I don't.

actually feel cool. Like I'm like, I'm just strapped that. I'm stealing Austin Gales. Patois. This is all Austin Gail. Built diff. It's like how parents use

emojis now more than young people. Yes. Who told my dad the thumbs up emoji? That wasn't me. How did he learn that? Where did he get it from? All the time. All my mom sends her emojis, man.

Email us at ringerfincy, football, gmail.com. Or if your parents use texting language, weird. Also here, did you guys see the Colts Tudding Kyle and Granson had this Instagram post. And someone sent it to me and I didn't register.

And I'm like, oh, he has a baby, whatever, okay? And that it was just him posing like for a legit Instagram photo shoot, but it was with the touchdown catchy ad and the captions after three years of trying. It's finally here with a baby bottle emoji in the football. Oh my God. And he's like, it's like perfect. They like legit hired a photographer. They went on to a, like they went somewhere to a destination to do this thing.

Oh, yeah. It looks like an engagement shoot. Like the football is. swaddled like a baby in like a little blanket. It's amazing. It's actually incredible. Well played, sir. I think he's worth a pickup just for that.

Him for Kyle Pitts? Who says no? Okay, that perfect, perfect. Send an offer. I think Kyle and Granson could outscore Kyle Pitts this year. Is he already? I feel like he's probably already because he scored. Oh, he's the touchdown. This year, Kyle and Granson. Let's, let's, I want to see some receipts.

Trade Kylin Granson if he's on your team for Kyle Pitts. And I want to see some receipts. or do it the other way. Congress, it's not on anyone's teams. He's the tight end date. Gotta get on some teams. He's not rostered. Pick him off waivers.

Pick him off waivers and then send the trade. All right, while we're here. One of the trade thing. This is from Brian. Brian. My wife lost Nick Chubb and J.K. Dobbins. The running back left of her roster is Josh Jacobs. And now Matt Breda is Raheep.

I'm thinking about offering a Rahimostring Alvin Camara for Cooper Cup. And he's like, I want to win. So I'm good with sleeping on the couch for 16 weeks if this goes south. I want to make sure I don't have any likely to veering into divorce. And he said, I couldn't find a trade chart to address that. Moster and Camara for Cooper Cup. So he's worried about taking advantage. I think he's worried about getting divorced.

You should avoid trading with your wife. Oh, he's saying he has Moster and Camara. Yes. But he wants, but she wants a running back. So he should help her. He's trying to walk that line. It's like a swindle. Do you think this is like a bad trade?

I think it's a pretty good deal. I think it's a solid deal for her. No, it's not, this is not like taking advantage. Because Moester is a top 10 running back this year or something like that. Like he's around there right now. Yeah. And so, and then obviously Camara is going to come in and get a lot of volume. I think this is fine.

Cooper Cup, we don't know exactly when he's going to come back. It's ethically defensible if you're wanting to put it that way. Do we know if Cooper Cup will come back into a starting role? Well, he'll kind of be a third story. Yeah. He's going to have to like, play. some other role, Pooka and a coup is taken over. So I don't know. Yeah.

That's the thing. So Alvin Camarra's great starting running back for the Saints when he comes back from the suspension. And most of it might be in a timeshare with the dolphins. But then you're getting Cooper Cup, who's the best number two receiver in the NFL? Right. So.

It's a real role to guys. Okay. To answer the question legitimately, this is ethically defensible. How about that? My real answer to Cooper Cup is that we could give some opinion. But the reality is Cooper Cup, there's serious chance you could come back and be 100% immediately.

which I think is totally on the table. I also think Cooper called to come back, have a setback, play three games and then be shut down again with a reaggravation. And the reality is what you, like, it's not like a liquid trade market. Like you have a league with nine specific people or 11 specific people and only four of those people probably even want them. And you just got to see what they want.

And so the reality is like, I don't know. It's like it depends. So I think the real test of his faith as a husband is whether he would encourage her to get another offer. That's the real test. Yeah. I think this is a dangerous. This is a dangerous play, my friend, Brian.

Don't shit where you eat or something like that. There's something, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Kind of. Sure. It kind of applies. It kind of works. You get it.

You know what I'm saying. Speaking of which, great transition, DK. Thank you. We got emails about people with more hot mic and bathroom stories. It's from Neil. Let's go. Neil. Neil.

What do you got, Neil? I took a. Bring it. I took to show me all. you got. I took accounting one and one as a freshman. Hit me!

So what you did it got. I took a counting 101 as a freshman at Big Ten University go gophers. It's a large lecture style class in a massive auditorium.

It's probably like 250 or 300 people in this class. And one time the professor was very buttoned up. Okay. Yeah. Very buttoned up professor.

Very proper professor. He seemed very uncomfortable during the lecture. And he at one point he excuses himself half-way through to go to the bathroom. Oh, no. However, he forgot to turn off his microphone for the lecture, which was like a lapelic on him.

The professor broadcasted the next eight minutes over the speakers in the room, which included the hustle, his audible worries and fears and route, the resulting effort, and then, of course, the flush. Only for him to come back in sweating with no idea that we had all listened until everyone just burst out and left. Did no one go tell him? What are you going to tell him? Yes, go chase him down. Yes, go chase him down.

Somebody with a freaking heart, somebody with a soul, go find this guy. D.K., I love you. I love you. There's no fucking chance you would do that. Are you going to listen to eight minutes of that, just sitting in class? That sounds worse. Yeah, that was probably the greatest moment in the history of Minnesota.

Oh my God. That is like all-time bonding amongst the 250 people in that class. You guys are sociopaths. You're sociopaths. You have no empathy. That is the classic college story. You got to do that's like straight out of an American Pye movie.

That is amazing. That is. Oh my God. That's incredible. Anyway, this guy has to move. Like, he has to quit. I hope he doesn't have tenure because he's going to have to quit. Can you Matt?

Move cities. You don't have the whole point of tenure as you can't leave. It's like, do you think this is enough to lose tenure? Just drop all the students and then start to move class. I would give them Fs for not coming and telling me. none of you have any empathy i don't want you going out into the world that's that's the test here the one enterprising students like here we're all we're all gonna never tell anyone about this and we all get ace blackmail him oh man i feel like if you're the if you're the professor you got to own

that you got to just come in and laugh it off you can't try and pretend it didn't happen you're like wow you guys just heard me doing some stuff i apologize wait hold on hold on hold Hold on. Hold on. Vote right now. We're going to make this a poll. Everyone, if you're listening on Spotify, go to the poll and vote whether you, someone should have chased down the professor to let them know or if that's ridiculous. Vote in the poll. You have to be on Spotify, whether someone should have chased the professor down in the bathroom, they'll let him know. Oh my goodness.

Well, where do you think that guy is now? It's not teaching. Not in Minnesota. Yeah. No. I mean, the FBI probably knows where he is. But witness protection The mob does not know where he is. Cringe. We swap him with the guy who thought that He's in some like nondescript

South American country right now. All right. We also got an email. A lot of people corrected me because I talked you shout out at Cheryl Crowe D.K. I got a text. And I listed. I was like, oh yeah.

Cheryl Crow first cuts the deepest. And all these people including Ken were like. That's a cover, Danny, you idiot, by Rod Stewart. And you know what? Wake up, hyphids irony. But also the joke is on you because that Rod Stewart one was also a cover of Cat Stevens. So everyone who said it was Rod Stewart was also wrong.

Got him. Got him. Boom. The tables have turned. Oh, the turntables. Anyway. Do you know who Cat Stevens is? Dude, yeah.

A Cat Stevens, actually it's Jackie's favorite song. is the embarrassing, but the one from Guardians and the galaxy, but the one that the,

what's it called father and son? Yeah. What did a, what did they change his name to again? Yusuf. Yusuf Islam.

That's right. Also, Hyvitz, we love to remember the Titans. Peace train. Wow. Wow. Hell yeah.

Incredible. Watch the circle. It all comes around. That's all we got. Thank you, DK.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Tucker.

Everyone behind the scenes. Kira, Jack. Thank you. Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, Kat Stevens. Got to shout them out. Yeah, baby.

I'm going to listen to that today. Kat Stevens is so good. Yeah. They don't make them like they used to. No, they don't. Craig's such an old head. How old are you, Craig? You can't say that yet.

Dude, I'll make them like they used to. I feel 86. You're not allowed to say that term, that expression. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm starting to feel old. Let me be. Craig and I are at the age where we, like, are coming back home on Saturday night, and it's like 8.30. And we're like, wow, people are just going to dinner.

But then we go to the farmer's market at 7.30 in the morning. And we're like, ah, yes, yes, we've got a parking spot now. I'm trying to balance both. But you're certainly right. If I'm headed in that direction. I just Craig just wants to be left alone now Just leave me be

I love that Kai is like five years younger than us And I'm like I bet your lower back doesn't even hurt yet I'm like you have no idea what's coming No clue No clue kid The weight of gravity over the years It wears on you you know Start stretching now Kai

All right Listen stretching I feel like is the most important thing As you age and nobody does it Because when you're young You don't need to When I was 15, I used to walk outside and just start sprinting, and I'd feel great. Shout out Connor and Evans. I asked him any advice as I approach 30, said stretch.

Yeah. Yeah. Just stretch. It's real. Craig, start a stretching pod. I thought you're going to say start a, like a stretching club, like a book club, but we all just get together and stretch. I mean, I'm in on that, too. Start of stretching TikTok.

There's a lot of people on TikTok that are, like, huge for stretching. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get like a whole routine. I'll do that with you every day, Craig, if you want to do that. I have, I do a morning routine. Do you? I kind of like, yeah, every like six months I find a new one and I try it. But right now, what is it?

It's six minutes. It's very simple. I do a six minute stretch in the morning. Six minutes. What is it? I'm actually, I'm actually started stretching right when I wake up too. That's, I, you know, I also have one of them pillboxes for old people. Do one of the pillboxes for old people every day?

And I'm like, it's so much easier. It's so nice. It seems like I'm washed now, but when I'm 60, I'm going to look great. I'm going to still be out there on the... The real secret, Craig? My doctor told me this. And the fact that I have a doctor

tells you how old I am. Okay. He was telling you. You have a doctor? I didn't have a doctor until I was like 37. That seems like a personal problem. What the fuck are you talking about?

I didn't have a regular doctor because I didn't have insurance for like most of my life. You didn't have a physician? No. Okay. Well, that's a different story. I had a pediatrician when I was a little kid. Well, that's, and yeah, when you're a kid.

Most people in their 20s and like, early 30s, I would guess, don't have like a doctor that they go to, like regularly. Craig, let me get to my point. Let me get to my point real quick. You got a bulk. You got a bulk. Stretching is not the most important thing. Bulking is the most important thing.

Why? Can you atrophy as your age? Yes, get muscle mass while you're young because once you get to a certain age, you can't fucking build muscle anymore. And you need that shit for the rest of your life. Stretching does not like stretching does make your muscle stronger. Well, it's not mutually exclusive. You got a bulk and stretch.

That's my point. But you got a healthy bulk. Like if you're just like slamming protein shakes every morning, like eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches all day and you're like accumulating mass, I'm not sure that's a strategy. Like if you get a healthy bulk, sure. But you're essentially just saying like be jacked, which like is everyone's goal ultimately. I just say it, man. My doctor told me this. You got to start building muscle.

It's like putting money in your retirement account, you know. Is your doctor ripped? Yeah. He's my doctor's younger. than me, which is kind of fucked up, but... Oh, wow. But, yeah, he's, he's like super... He's super...

He's super into sports and, like, working out and kayaking and all this stuff. He's in shape. Got to tell you. I don't think this will even be insulting because many doctors I know listen to the show, and I actually don't think any of them... I think they're all actually not along with this. Now that Craig at the same age, we're now at the point where our friends are actually becoming doctors.

Yeah. And I have a lot of respect for the medical profession, but I will say I've actually never trusted medicine less after I've seen some of the people I know actually become full-on doctors. And I'm like, wow, they could just get that. You can just do that. That's a, that's for sure a thing. Hi, if it's like nurses and doctors, anyone can do some crazy, they do some crazy stuff. They're like smoking, like drinking, making terrible decision. Like, just because you're extremely smart and can do doctor stuff doesn't mean you have like great decision-making skills. I don't, I'm into medicine and all this thing. I'm just saying like I'm, I just always thought

of doctors just like on this pedestal. I'm into well. And then I saw, you know? Yeah. And also, I got to see the results on the dolphins mating stuff, the sounds. You know what I want? If there's any doctors listening, any medical professionals, nurses, physicians assistants, if there's any holistic practices that you kind of thought was BS that you're now coming around on as a medical professional, let us know. Great prompt.

Great prompt. Love that. You know what's to bring your fantasy football at gmail.com. We're going to be the new, like, you know what we should do. where we just like talk about like how bad off all is for you. You might have to have Bobby Wagner on

at some point to actually get bulk and burn going. Yeah, I agree. It's like, and it's like, you're going to have to soft watch it here. Bobby and I,

for those of you who don't know, Bobby produces the big picture Sean Fantasy's good movie podcast and him and I have been trying to get a bulking pot off the ground since we started at the ringer. Craig, I didn't tell you this.

Craig, I didn't tell you this. At your wedding, the day of your wedding, Bobby and I were at the pool and he came up with the name. It's bulk and burn. That's great.

I love it. Bobby and I came up with that the day of your wedding. And it's a great idea because what we want to do is basically I want to gain 15 to 20 pounds and Bobby wants to lose 15 to 20 pounds. So it's our journeys to cross paths. And then once a week or maybe once every two weeks, Rosillo is our consultant. We bring him in to kind of talk us through our process, what we're doing, give us notes. It's a great idea.

We go to the gym with him, the video series. What kind of like way protein you're eating, all that stuff? Right. We're talking diet, exercise, sleep, mental health. Stretching. Everything involved. You know, like, we could venture into clothing. You know, what clothes best fit certain bodies, you know? People who want to look good in their skin.

A lot of verticals here. There's a lot there, dude. He's only partly joking. There's a lot there. I don't think any of it's a joke. Yeah. It's not. I think we should have popping on the show.

If anyone who's listening has listened to the big picture, they will know what I'm talking about. Sean brings this up every once in a while. I will still be soft-watched this thing. Would you not watch Rosillo train Bobby and I at the gym on video? Are you kidding me?

So funny. Everyone jokes that Rosillo would leave his house and in reality, like, I think Riscilla would like leave for joy. Well, I think Rissillo's house is a gym, so we would just go to his house to train. Even better. Yeah, so he doesn't have to leave.

Boom. I love this. Whatever's easiest for him. Ryan, Bobby, Addis. All right, goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC. Gambling problem?

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