The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking the Weird Stats That Explain the Fantasy Season
Episode Date: October 6, 2021We discuss the Urban Meyer situation before power-ranking the most interesting stats that explain the fantasy football season so far. Then, we finish the show by checking in on Danny Kelly’s 22 fant...asy leagues and open up a case in Fantasy Court. Urban Meyer (1:40) Power Hour (11:29) DK Fantasy Check-in (46:01) Listener Emails (48:37) Sign up and compete against us in the Bad QB League on FanDuel here. Email us at ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show.
My name is Danny Heifitz.
I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck,
and today is Power Hour, where we rank something every week.
We just make it up as we go along.
This week, we are ranking the stats that explain the fantasy football season so far.
Again, I'm immense.
The what stats?
The what stats?
The weird stats.
The weird stats.
Well, generally speaking, no one picks a stat unless it's not weird.
Well, I guess there's cool stats, weird stats.
weird stats
the stats
Let's not talk about boring ones
These are these are what
Indicative stats but indicative doesn't really
Sell in the title so we had to put something
Yeah I if you're listening to this
I feel like maybe you're a loyal listener
You would have clicked it but if we put indicative
It wouldn't have performed very well so we went with
Whatever we went with I don't know
However we're going
We're going through all that
But first real quick
We got talking about Urban Meyer thing
A little bit right
Can I.
The owner has addressed
the situation. I feel like we should
as well. The whole
Auburn Meyer thing. Yeah, I feel like everyone saw the video.
If you didn't, you can Google the video.
And if you did, the owner
of the Jaguar saw it. Shod Kansar
because he released the statement that among other said things
that, quote, he must regain
our trust and respect.
So, yeah.
Question for you guys.
Do you think Urban Meyer is the head coach
of the Jagger? Today's Tuesday.
afternoon. Do you guys think Urban Meyer is the coach of the Jaguars a week from today?
Yeah, I think he's going to get a few more weeks to see how it goes.
This feels like he's been put in time out by Shad Khan, and if he messes up again or if things
devolve even more, it's over. And it feels like he's already lost the locker room,
honestly, like based on reports. I think I saw Michael Silver report talking about how
he never really had the respect to the locker room in the first place. And honestly,
And look, the situation with this woman at the bar that was not his wife, and, you know, if you haven't seen it, it's not like it's not suitable for work.
He was basically just getting hit on or, and or hitting on this girl at a bar.
Is that all?
He was not, he's not getting hit on.
Was that your interpretation?
Look, maybe she just, she bumped into him at the bar and stayed there.
Oh, my God.
And stayed there for several minutes.
He is sitting on a stool and a woman is grinding up against him and he's not saying no.
Here's my point.
It wasn't like, there wasn't full penetration, nudity or anything like that.
No, no, no.
I'm just saying.
You guys are making it sound like it's like a sex tape or something.
His wife quote tweeted him from earlier in the night being like, yeah, he's at a bar and I'm watching the grandkids.
Yikes.
Here's the thing, though.
He also didn't fly home with the team.
Like, that gets left out of the whole thing.
Yeah, like he didn't fly home with the team after a game.
He went to his bar.
He went to his bar.
I don't want to dwell too much on it,
but I will just read the report from Mike Silver,
who is that,
who used to be an NFL network.
It's a whole,
Mike Silver's a report has been around the NFL
a long time,
and he had this thread today that was,
players were particularly put off
by the fact that Urban Meyer
canceled Monday's team meeting
as he dealt with the uproar
over the videos of him
and a young woman getting cozy
in that Ohio bar,
and his source told him,
he canceled the team meeting
because he was too scared.
Instead, Meyer only apologized
to position groups,
individually, as in the team meeting rooms.
Urban Meyer portrayed the woman in the videos as a random person
who was just there dancing, suffice it to say.
His audience was skeptical.
Said one player, quote, we looked at him like, what the fuck?
Right when he left, everyone started dying, laughing, and he knew it, end quote.
I don't think he's the coach a week from now.
I mean, whether it's a week or several weeks, I think the bottom line is he's not going
to last long here.
And I think it's ultimately going to be the best decision for the Jags, just going
forward. Like, right now, as it is, the Jags are a dumpster fire. The only reason they're not
worse than they are is because Trevor Lawrence has been playing about as well as you can expect
a rookie to be playing on like this dumpster fire team. So I don't know, I think for everyone
involved Trevor Lawrence, and especially like from a point of view from fantasy, like Trevor
Lawrence, Leviska-Schnoll, you know, James Robinson, all that, like everybody that we care about
in the fantasy world, it's going to be better off if Urban Meyer is not the head coach. So I
think that's the direction it's going and I'm, you know, not that I wish anyone gets fired,
but I feel like it's probably best for all these, all these guys.
Yeah, like, I don't, it's not this specific event alone that I think is going to lead to his
fire. It's a litany of things that he's done literally since the day he came to Jacksonville.
I mean, there's, the list goes on and on. He signed Tim Tebow, the Chris Doyle situation,
him openly talking about not keeping players that were unvaccinated. I mean, he is literally
screwing up every step of the way, not to mention they're terrible.
This year.
The fake quarterback competition.
I mean,
it's easier to list the things they've done correctly, quite honestly.
Yeah.
And if,
I kind of want to zoom out for one second,
just like,
if you're wondering what Urban Meyer's deal is,
a top five piece of sports writing for me is this piece by Wright Thompson at ESPN.
It's titled Urban Meyer will be home for dinner.
And if you're kind of wondering,
like,
who is this guy,
could not recommend this piece higher?
And I just,
it starts with,
I won't read it,
but like it starts with basically Urban Meyer,
his daughter,
was a senior in high school
and she was,
she's like a really good volleyball player
and she was doing the whole,
I'm in the gym thing
and you're gonna like announce
what college you're going to
and your gymnasium
and people are there
and it's like a whole thing.
Urban Meyer is at work that day
and tells his secretary
I'm canceling.
And his secretary is like,
absolutely not.
You're gonna go to your daughter's announcement,
you idiot.
Like what are you talking about?
Yeah.
So she cancels his day against his will
and forces him to go to his daughter's announcement.
And his daughter gets up,
gets the mic in front of the gymnasium
him and is like, thanks the coach, thanks the mom, turns to Urban Meyer and says, but you
weren't there, dad.
And like goes and like high fives him and then hugs the coach.
And the whole story is like how Urban Myers had this struggle his whole life between like
football and family.
The whole, the incident is just like, it's a lot deeper than it really seems on the surface
with the Twitter jokes.
Like, I don't know.
It's a really, it's a complex man, but I don't think he'll be a point.
think he's going to be the coach of USC?
I don't think he's going to get a job on Fox.
I don't think he'll be for Fox Sports.
He can go back.
This is bad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's rough right now for the Jags.
Better days ahead.
Trevor Lawrence is good.
It's better if they fire him for the team.
Who do we want Trevor Lawrence's next coach to be?
Like, realistically, if you're that, if you're shot Khan, don't you have to go to
Kellyn Moore for the Cowboys and offer him a ton of money to, like, run the Jagger's
offense?
You go Bianney me.
You could go dayball.
Joe Brady.
I mean, just get an offensive,
like forward-looking,
offensive guy up and coming.
And I mean, yeah,
like I think Bienemy was on the list
before they hired Meyer.
In a crazy way,
this might be good for them long term
with Trevor Lawrence
to not give two years to Meyer
and make it like two months.
It might actually just be better.
Yeah, like the sooner that it ends,
the better.
Maybe the,
maybe the Jaguars themselves,
they told Urban that the flight
was at the wrong time
so that they could be like,
he missed the flight,
shitty coach.
You say Jaguars,
the, like the British way, Craig.
Do I?
Say it.
Well, now I think I'm going to say it differently because I'm...
Because we're focusing on it.
What teams is Trevor Lawrence play for?
The Jaguars.
No, you said it differently.
Jaguars?
He didn't say Jaguar.
He does.
That's exactly how he says it.
No, that's not.
He didn't say that.
He didn't say that.
People listening, you can rewind.
We, well, they don't come up.
The Jaguar'll talk about it again.
We're going to come up when it comes up.
All right, let's get to the power rankings.
Again, we are power ranking the weird stats that explained this season so far.
I have made this list.
So if you guys think that this is a dumb order, D.K.
Greg can just yell at me where I will try to have thicker skin for hating my list than D.K.
did.
D.K., feel free to shred my list.
That's the whole point of making lists on the internet.
You're saying I didn't have thick skin?
I felt like I took it pretty bill.
Yeah, you did great, but all right.
Jerk.
When you hear...
I'm still upset about it.
I'm still mad.
We're doing, what are we doing?
Two minutes of topic.
If you hear this sound...
we're going to move on.
But about that sound,
we're kind of bored of it.
We want something different than a ding.
If you have an idea for what we should do
instead of the ding,
emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com.
However, Craig, as the producer,
can you tell people what they should or should not suggest
or what's actually possible
what we would never do?
It can't be a professional singer's music.
It needs to be royalty-free, okay?
It needs to be a sound in nature,
a sound-in-the-
In the public domain.
In the public domain, a sound effect
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I don't want any copyright infringement issues coming to our show.
That's why we're trying to get Mariah Carey's approval for fantasy.
But yeah, sounds that are not associated with a professional act.
Also not annoying sounds.
Yeah.
Right?
My idea, which I don't think we're going to do because it's probably not going to work,
but I wanted to bring back the old Dantasy music.
I don't know if for people that I've been listening to the podcast long enough,
the old Dantasy music slapped.
It was kind of dark.
Craig, tell a quick, tell a quick,
Sorry about how that music came about.
Well, just play, can you play it right now in this?
Can you play like a snippet of that, the old intro music we have?
Sure, sure.
So that song came from, uh, shouts out Evan Campbell.
He used to be a producer, a podcast producer at the ringer.
But I, so when I was just like getting involved with the Dantasy show, I told, I was like,
we need new music because we had the ringer NFL show music and I wanted to differentiate ourselves.
So I told Evan, there's this NFL song that's called like Autumn Bells or something.
and it's like that classic like NFL, it feels like fall.
And I was like, just make this slap even harder.
And he was like, you got it.
I was listening to it last night.
I was like, I'm putting on the headphones.
I'm cranking it up.
It really does like get me going.
But I think that would be, that would be too intense to end every two minute conversation.
I don't know.
Didn't Evan show up at a podcast?
He was just like a podcast intern at first.
And then there was some like fun facts.
And he was like, yeah, I like dunked on Jerry Jones's grandson in front of Jerry Jones.
We were like, what?
He says, I cooked Jerry's grandson.
Unbelievable.
Anyway.
Anyway, let's get to the actual stuff.
For now, it's going to be a bell today.
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if you have thoughts on what we should do.
Okay, but for now it's the bell.
Number one weird stat that explains the fantasy football season so far.
Cordarell Patterson is the RB3 behind Derek Henry and Austin Eckler.
Yeah.
So weird.
He's also like the, he's like the,
wide receiver five or six, too, for the, for the sites that have him as a wide receiver eligible.
Patterson is the RB3, despite he is on the field a third of the time. He literally plays less
than J.D. McKissick. He plays less snaps than Kenneth Gainwell. So despite that,
Corderole Patterson has five touchdowns, which is more than the rest of the Falcons combined.
So, absurd. He has broken everything we try to do with fantasy football. Obviously, talent is
important for players, but roughly speaking, what we're doing,
here is you want to project how often is a player
going to play? What's his role? How often
he's going to get the ball? How efficient are they
with the ball? How consistent are those stats?
He breaks all of that. It defies logic.
He's a part-time player.
He is getting the ball half the time he's on the field.
Half. That's not even exaggeration. The actual
number is 46%
of his snaps. He's gotten the
football. Forget football.
He's borderline. That's like borderline of quarterback.
It's a basketball
stat. I look
this up. I'm not making this up.
Russell Westbrook, when he did the triple double MVP season,
only touched the ball less than Cordill Patterson has done this season.
And you know what's really funny about this is the Falcons don't even,
they don't even realize it.
His numbers are going down.
In week four, he had less snaps that he did the week before and week before that.
He had less rushing attempts.
He had less routes run.
Like, they don't even know or care.
And he's still dominating.
Bottom line, Patterson is the classic.
classic like bull's eye sell high candidate.
However,
people are going to chicken out.
And I honestly don't blame people that chicken out for trying to sell high on Patterson
because if the Falcons get their shit together and start giving him like full snaps,
all bets are off.
Right?
But we don't know if that's going to happen.
So basically if you're holding on to him,
it's that you're or if you're trading for him,
hell,
trade high for him now because you could bank on the idea that the Falcons are actually
going to like give him a full role where he's playing like 90, 95 percent of
maps.
Point being, he has five touchdowns in a third of the role.
I don't care.
Calvin Ridley is a by low and Cal Pitts is a by low.
Like, the touchdowns will redistribute.
Mike Davis is still dead to me.
He's not dead to me.
It's really harsh.
Yeah, you're not doing that.
I can't bring him up.
I feel like, screw the timer.
We'll double this.
We're going to do four minutes on Cordorrell because he deserves it.
He's called Skorderell now, actually.
Scorderell now, actually.
When we say sell high on a guy, don't you feel like it's almost too easy?
Like, we're just like, yeah, sell high.
Well, if you're actually...
No one's buying him high.
I don't think anyone's buying him.
No one's buying him for like a third, like an RB3 price.
Like there's no such thing.
And no one's going to treat him like he's Jonathan Taylor.
I wanted to do a name game because, yeah, even the guys who are underperforming, like,
or having fine years, Nick Chubb, Camara, Mixon, Antonio Gibson.
No one's trading those guys for Quarterrell.
So my question is, is how shitty does a guy have to be before they would actually trade
their player for Quarterrell for you?
So can we do a name game here?
Yeah.
If you had Cordorale Patterson yourself, would you trade him away for Clyde Edwards-Hale?
Of course.
Would you trade him away?
for Chase Edmonds?
Yeah.
I probably would cash in on Chase Edmonds.
That's like, that's the range.
Well, Chris Carson, I would absolutely take Chris Carson.
I don't care about Alex Collins.
I would take Chris Carson.
I think Chase Edmonds, Kareem Hunt.
I would, I would try to...
You know, you can't take Kareem Hunt because Kreme Hunt's like the RB5.
Like, you have to pick somebody who's underperforming.
Like Melvin Gordon?
I would cash in for Chase Edmonds or Javont.
About Zach Moss.
I don't think I would trade him for Zach Moss.
No, because that's...
Like, my point is, is like,
you're going to have to go that low.
Chase Edmonds is a good one.
I would do that for Chase Edmonds.
That's like a great red paper clip trade.
Look what I got with my red paper clip.
But if you had Chase Edmonds,
are you giving that up for quarter out?
No.
If my team sucks, fuck it.
Yeah, maybe.
But you're going to have to dig pretty low.
I think the one mistake we make when we do these things of buy low is that it doesn't
matter if the players on a good team.
If the person you're trading with is 4 and O,
they don't want to make up mess up their team.
You usually do that.
You got to just look at the players on the awful teams
and be like, well, this person's probably really apathetic about these players.
And really, the person's connection to the players is sometimes more important than the value of the player itself.
Having said that, Calvardly and Pitts are the by lows, in part because I bet the guy with Kyle Pitts isn't doing great.
Yeah.
I'm just thinking the whole time you guys were talking, I'm just thinking it's trying to find a trade partner is just exhausting.
When you're 22 leagues, I'm sure.
When you have one or two, it's not that hard.
Even if I was only in like three leagues, I just like don't have the energy to try and trade.
No, it is hard, though.
because you got to go to the guy who's not
he's got to not be stubborn
he's got to be like have a shitty record
the player doesn't have to be on his favorite team
like it's a lot
standings yeah
and you click on the guy who's oh and four
and then if there's no one there and you text him
or her and if not one and three
and one and three and then to two and like that's it
this already sounds like so much work
my point is like I might be the only
person in the fantasy world who hates trading
like I just think it's exhausting
I'm sure it is if I had 66
trades I don't not it look I'm
talking about any one league like say i need to get better in one league it still sounds exhausting
well and the oh and four guys like oh what you just want to come after me because you know that you can
exploit me i'm not trading with you and then you're like you just no i think the importance of
trading is don't be a dick and you don't have to destroy everyone in every trade like sometimes
like just be honest i don't know i think simple simple the secret truth of trades is that they actually
have to be even you have to be able to explain to someone why it makes sense for both of you
or else no one's going to do the trade and that's really hard it is okay let's move on here
that's been four minutes. The point is
it will even out or Cordell Patterson
will just swallow the earth. I don't know. One of the other.
Bill's a bup. Okay. Number two, weird
stat that explains the NFL season. Sam
Darnold literally leaves the entire NFL
in rushing yards. Sorry, Russian touchdowns.
I love this one. This is the greatest
stat. Darnal is also the first
quarterback on record with five Russian touchdowns in four
weeks. Michael Vic never did that. Cam Newton
never did that. Lamar, Kyler Murray.
Only Sam Donald has five rushing
touchdowns through four weeks on record in NFL history.
St. Donald is the QB 5 after four weeks, which is shocking to me.
He's in every week starting QB in my mind. He has to be.
Is he? But like, what about, first of all, he's better as a passer. I don't want to
tut my horn too much because I said Darnel would be good. I also thought Robbie Anderson
will be the beneficiary and it's like mad madman so far. However, even me who has been on the
Darnold train the whole time, I feel like once the rushing touchdowns come back, he's good in real
life, but once the rushing touchdowns stop and they're going to stop, fantasy-wise, are you really
starting him over like your other options?
Well, I mean, he averages 300 yards a game.
By the way, my future season long bet, Sam Darnold over passing yards looking like it's
going to hit, but he averages 300 yards a game.
Would you start Darnold or Ryan Tannale, D.K.?
Darnold.
Darnold, just because, well, first of all, are Julio and A.J. Brown playing?
Yeah, when they come back.
Oh, God.
They're actually pretty similar.
because they're both
they have that like sneaky Konami code
where they're rushing quarterbacks
like Tannahill famously was a former receiver
I Tannahill certainly track record
is way better
right now I think you just ride the hot hand though
and that's Darnold.
Also Darnold's schedule is
easy man like they don't play anybody
Darnold is an option
Darnold obviously is probably rostered in your league
but like you can play him like he's good
and the Panthers office.
He is the definition of the
a late round QB coming to life.
This is exactly why you do it.
The rushing upside is not going to be there
for the rest of the season, though.
No, but it would be balanced out by the fact that while he was
getting all those touchdowns, they were winning the games
and he didn't have to throw that much.
And then now he won't score as much, but they'll be losing more
and he'll be throwing more.
Okay. Number three, weird stat
that explains the 21 season so far.
I've almost said 2020 every time.
Okay. Derek Henry has more catches this season than Alvin Camara.
Like four. He has four more.
That's bizarre.
How close is he to the career high?
I should have checked this.
Oh, yeah, that's a good question.
I believe he has 14 catches,
and Alvin Camara has 10 currently.
So Derek Henry in his NFL career,
his career high for catches is 19 from a couple seasons ago.
19.
He's already at 14.
The crazy part about that.
Conceivably could do this next week,
and we'll almost definitely do it by Halloween.
Crazy.
The craziest thing about this,
this is not that interesting,
but Jeremy McNickles, I think,
is third among running backs and catches too.
Like, they're just checking down to their running backs.
Well, they don't have any receivers.
Your Browns are and lose, though, yeah.
And they trade to Jono.
What's even crazier is that you'd think that,
oh, perhaps Derek Henry's catching more passes.
They're perhaps lightning the load on the ground.
Incorrect.
He is on pace for 480 carries,
which would be the most ever.
That's a lot.
That's too many.
What is, like, a hundred too many?
You know how everyone, like, tries to trade for Derek Henry
around this time, and you're just like,
if you have like the best player,
everyone's fielding you offers,
you're like,
what would you actually have to be offered
to even trade him away?
Oh, God.
Exhaustin question.
Dalvin Cook is hurt.
You would have to be offered like
Stefan Diggs and Antonio Gibson.
Or like you would need Kelsey
and a running back
almost as good as Derek Henry.
But I don't even know that is.
You need like two two like second round players
or like a first in a second round player.
Would you take like Zeke and Kelsey for Derek Henry?
Yeah.
Sure.
DK.
I'm just getting so exhausted thinking about these trade options.
Oh, you really don't do trades.
Okay, it's all right.
So, only two players ever have led the league in carries yards and touchdowns.
It was OJ Simpson once and Derek Henry, and he's about to do it back to back.
Wow.
Crazy.
Wait, didn't, Craig, didn't he, wait, who showed me the staff before that Derek Henry's
on pace for more carries than his high school?
Yeah, that was me.
He had 462 carries in that crazy high school season, and now he's on pace for 480,
for 18 more.
Oh my God, Derek Henry.
Okay.
Number four weird stat that explains the fantasy season so far.
George Kittle, not in the top 10 tight ends.
George Kittle does not have a touchdown this year.
The 49ers have 12 touchdowns as a team,
but all 12 of those touchdowns have gone to 12 different players.
Ross Jwellie added to the list last week.
Just went beast mode for the 49ers.
12-9ers have scored. Kittles not one of them.
Meanwhile, Debo Samuel, I believe, leads the N.
fill in receiving yards.
Yeah.
I didn't see this coming.
I did not see this coming.
I said this on the last episode.
I think coming into the year,
I was expecting Kittle and Iuke
to sort of be the one-two punch in this offense.
Turns out it's just a one-punch offense.
Stivo Samuel only.
Kittle is not getting that involved.
I would say Kittles underlying, like,
numbers, which is something we talk about,
his utilization, is pretty strong still.
And he had a touchdown catch
in his hands in this last game
against the Seahawks,
Small Adams.
and hit him and knocked the ball out.
Like, I think the production is going to come from Kittle.
But, I mean, it's just like the story of the 49ers so far.
The season has been just extreme frustration if you didn't have Devo Samuel because
the running back situation is a cluster fuck.
The tight end, like I said, Ross Dwellie scored a touchdown before Kittle did.
But I think that makes him a bylaw because he'll have a good game soon.
And it's one of those like, just ask the person who has the team.
Again, sometimes Bilo, sometimes the person isn't going to, hasn't adjusted their expectations
for a Bilo window.
just ask the person, hey, are you interested in a trade?
And then ask around and see what they're into Kittal or not.
I think that Kittle is a buy low, but I also have zero interest in trying to buy low on Kittle.
I think he might be the biggest by low in the league.
Like, I think he's in the running for the top by low in the league.
His numbers, D.K. said, are pretty good.
His underlying numbers.
They're, like, really good.
His underlying numbers suggest he's like a top two tight end in the league.
It's the same thing as what D.K. said about Robert Woodson Cup, except, like, more extreme,
unless you think Debo Samuel is going to be out here getting like 2,000 yards this season.
Kittle's going to do better yardage-wise
and he's going to do better
he's going to eventually get a touchdown.
I think Kittles are by low.
Okay.
Speaking of Bailos,
number five,
weirdest stat explaining the NFL season.
I probably rank this one wrong,
whatever.
Jacobi Myers is the only wide receiver
in NFL history
with 1,000 receiving yards
and zero touchdowns in his career.
Yeah, this is not number five on the list.
This is way lower.
This is a curiosity.
It's not number five.
I overrated this.
I do like it, though.
But Kittles of Bailow,
so is Jacobi Myers.
it's hard because he's coming off the game
where he looked good on Sunday Day football.
Having said that,
he will start scoring touchdowns eventually.
Like, it has to happen.
I don't know.
What if he doesn't?
Well, then it'll just be like a really cool stat
and like we'll just keep talking about it.
But realistically, he's going to start getting touchdowns
and then when he does,
be like, oh, right, Jacoby Myers is a number one receiver
that no one really values that
because even last week he had like,
he was a really good game.
But when you start adding touchdowns into that mix,
especially if you're in PPR,
the amount of targets to get the amount of catches,
you start adding scores into that.
I think that he's the classic thing of like,
we always talk about this.
It's hard to change your initial expectations of a player.
No one's initial expectation in Jacoby Meyer is like,
oh yeah, he's like a really solid wide receiver too.
But like he will probably end the season as that.
His last touchdown came in 2018 when he was playing for NC State.
I saw this stat.
He has 112 career receptions.
The previous record for most catches without a touchdown was 51.
so he's more than doubled the old record.
Myers kind of reminds me a little bit of Deontay Johnson.
He's kind of like that guy where he's just really good at getting open,
like shifty route runner,
really reliable in the short and intermediate area.
Deonti Johnson is certainly sort of,
I think he's shown more lately that he can get deep,
even though Ben Rutherberger can't really throw it that far anymore.
I think he has the ability to do that.
But I want to see Jacobi Myers kind of like get more,
get more love because I think he's a really good receiver.
I'd rather have Jacoby Myers throwing passes to Deontay Johnson.
There we go. Just trade Jacoby for Ben.
Yeah.
Do you actually think Jacoby Myers can throw it further than Ben right now?
Yeah.
Probably.
It depends if it's the first or the fourth quarter.
It's the first Ben.
It's fourth down, no chance for Ben.
Number six, weirdest stat explains the 2021 season.
The Bills have outscored their opponents 118 to 21 in their last three games.
I will say that again.
118 for Buffalo,
21 for Buffalo's opponents in their last three games.
So the opponents were Washington,
with Heineke,
Miami,
with Percette, and Houston.
Yeah.
So obviously there's a caveat there,
but this is still just absolutely absurd.
This is like,
you know,
Alabama just mowing down
FCS teams in the beginning of the season.
You know what I mean?
Like,
this is incredible what they've done.
These are NFL teams.
I don't really,
honestly,
I don't really care
who the quarterback is on the other team.
It would be more impressive
it was Mahomes, clearly.
But, like, they're doing this to NFL teams.
This is absolutely buzzsaw, like, performance.
And, by the way, this goes back to last year,
if you go back to week 12 of last season,
the bills have now won,
and this includes playoffs, 11 of 13 games.
So they lost the ASC championship game,
and then they lost this series in week one.
In the last 13 games,
those are their two losses.
In that time,
there's point differential is plus 212.
they are fucking dominating.
Having said that,
dominant teams like offenses like this
usually have at least two or three skill players
that you're like, well, I can definitely plug this guy in
and he's going to be great.
But the bills have Stefan Diggs,
and then after that, I want it your confidence index
and like, if you guys played this guy
the rest of the season, how confident are you in?
One to ten.
Cole Beasley, in your flex.
Cole Beasley.
Five. I'm like a three.
Emmanuel Sanders.
Four.
For me, he's like higher.
He's like a six for me.
Zach Moss.
Five.
Four.
Devon Singletary.
Three, two.
And then tight end, Netflix.
Tight end, Doss or Knox.
Three.
Isn't it weird that the bill is doing all this on offense and this is how we feel?
Isn't that strange?
Well, they spread the ball around so much.
There's just too many decent options and not enough really good options.
Yeah, I guess it digs is 1A and then they have a bunch of three A's.
Gabe Davis, too.
They're like four or five, three, eight players.
Yeah, it's all right.
Number seven, weirdest stat.
Brandon Cooks leads the NFL with a 35% target share.
So, I mean, if we're not, Cordell Patterson's carries here, which is 46.
But Cooks is getting more than a third of the Texans targets.
Someone is catching passes in Houston.
I actually think Brandon Cooks is a buy low.
Well, I think this would technically be a buy high, wouldn't it be?
It's a buy high.
It's a buy legit because no one's selling him low.
But I actually think the Bills game.
where it's probably going to be one of his worst games the whole season.
So if there's ever an opportunity to get in, this is it.
Having said that the person drafted probably thinks they struck gold.
So it's going to be really difficult.
But I actually think it's legit just because, again, he will be forced fed until he gets hurt.
He's had such a unique career.
I just think Brandon Cook's his career has been fascinating.
He's the Forrest Gump of like the last decade of football.
Seriously.
He's played with Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Jared Goff, which is.
whatever.
And the Rams.
But this was like the peak of the Rams.
Yeah.
And then Deshawn Watson and Tyrod Taylor,
Davis Mills.
So he's had such an interesting career.
I don't understand how he's been traded.
What is it?
Four times?
Three times?
Three times.
Saints to Pats.
Pats to Rams and then Rams to Texans.
Yeah.
I mean,
heck,
he's a good player.
I definitely doubted him coming into the year.
And I regret it because,
you know,
he was definitely cheap.
And people that drafted him
were definitely getting paid.
right, it's paying off for them.
The two biggest dudes we missed
were Cooks and Debo, right there
and it's a very similar range.
And through four weeks, those guys have been
like the Real League winners.
There's a clear distinction here.
When you say D.K., oh, the people who drafted him, it's paying off.
They didn't draft him because I thought he was going to be good.
He fell into their lap. They were like, fuck,
I guess I'll take Brandon Cooks.
They're never even going to tell you that, Craig. They'll never say it.
They'll never admit it. I think he's a
sell high big time. I mean,
what are, like, the only
option, the only thing defenses need to do as they learn who Davis Mills is, as they learn
what this offense is, it's to stop raining Cook. There is nothing else. I guess when Tyrod
Taylor comes back, whenever that is, like, things could improve, but I don't see him putting,
continuing this pace. I think he's still averaging almost 100 yards a game. There's no way
that's going to keep up. I see that. I think trading someone who's, like, like a sell high is
the hardest thing to do. I mean, Cordill-Patterson's one thing, but striking gold and being like,
I should trade this is so much easier.
than done. Oh, Marquis Brown, Mike Williams, those type of guys who I have on my fantasy team,
both would probably still be considered mighty sale highs. I ain't doing it. That's the thing,
because it's like, you're like, oh, yeah, Mike Williams is Michael Thomas, but like bigger and
faster. So like, yeah, I'm going to trade him. Like, no fucking way, please.
Legit, if somebody offered me, like, straight up, I'll give you DeAndre Hopkins for Mike
Williams. I would think about it. You guys don't play fantasy baseball. I'd be like,
yeah, I don't know. You guys don't play fantasy baseball, do you? I do. Not anymore.
I think the first time I ever had one of those was like Edinson Volquez.
Like it must have been 14 years ago.
And you just kind of lucked.
He was like the number three pitcher in baseball.
I just picked him up off waivers.
And I remember.
You were 12?
You remember this?
Oh, yeah.
How could I forget?
And I remember reading something that was like, you should trade him.
And I was like, I have the best pitcher in baseball.
Why would I trade him away?
And then he sucked.
And I was like, oh, it felt like an introduction to adulthood anyway.
Damn.
Speaking of introduction to adulthood.
and then Elder,
el senior,
senileness, seniority.
Number eight, weirdest stat
that explains 2021.
Ben Rothesberger
is the,
is in the bottom five
of ESPN's quarterback rating
and the other four players
are all rookies.
So quarterback rating is like
one of the two or three stats
that's like the best quarterback stat we have.
The bottom five is Rathesberger,
Trevor Lawrence,
Zach Wilson,
Davis Mills,
and Justin Fields.
The Steelers are the only team that is yet to score more than 17 points in a game this year.
Is Rathusberger the worst starter in the NFL?
Let me actually phrase it this way, Craig.
You know how soccer in international soccer in it?
Believe me, I don't know that much about it, but they do loans where they loan players to other teams for X amount of months or whatever.
And if you could just have any of the rookie quarterback, say, could you have, if you could choose Zach Wilson versus Rotherberg or just for now, you would obviously do that, right?
Like any of the rookies?
I don't think I would do Davis Mills
I think I would do all the way of guys
That's where you job like
Yeah but you had to say that out loud
I mean the fact that you had to clarify that stunts
And he said I don't think I would
But here's the weird part is he's so bad
That he's checking down so much
That it's become an engine for fantasy
Where Deontay Johnson's doing well
Naja Harris is
Naja Harris is incredible this year
In part because Ben has to check it down so much
In a weird way
If the offense got better
These guys might be worse in fantasy
It's the most
bat-shit catch-22 paradigm there is in fantasy.
They're 27th in total yards,
28th and points scored,
yet they are only one of three teams
with the top 12 running back
and wide receiver in the league.
Deonti Johnson leads the league
and targets per game.
Dodgy Harris is the RB7.
I don't think these guys are going to get worse.
I don't think they're sell highs
because the Steelers are at the fucking bottom
of the sea right now.
I think they would get better as the offense is better.
Again, if you know why,
if you've heard me talk about this,
Ben Rothesberger checking down on fourth and three
to Nagee Harris who loses a yard is worth points.
That is fucking stupid and I'll never hear otherwise.
Hi Fitz is like, okay, I'm going to use a Matrix metaphor here.
Hyfitz is like Neo trying to like beat the Matrix.
And I'm the guy who's just like, you know what?
I know this steak isn't real, but it's still delicious.
I don't fucking give a shit about the scoring.
This is a thing that we just changed six years ago.
Okay, you want to go ahead.
You want to change, if you want to change the fact that PPR is the standard, go for it.
Be my guest, I'm not going to help you.
DK, when the Seahawks won the Super Bowl against the Broncos, I don't even think PPR was standard on ESPN at that time.
That wasn't that long ago.
Okay, so go ahead, try and change it.
I will not be taking part in that.
Everyone can change it.
Your own league settings, your custom settings, you can decide it every year.
You know what this is more exhausting than thinking about trades.
All right, let's move on to the next one.
Fine.
Yahoo's have PPR.
Just throwing it out there.
There's settings that you can adjust.
It's the whole point.
Number nine, DeAndre Swift is the RB7.
DK.
Tute-toot.
Yeah, Tute T-TK.
By the way, one of my hot takes prior to the season,
some of my hot takes did not age well,
but the Dandre Swift,
RB1 season is looking solid,
at least through four weeks.
He was a Glansberg, man.
Like, no casual fan of fantasy
who's in their draft is thinking about DeAnd
Swiff this year.
No, I think he had some.
D.K.K. was out here.
The Lions with Jared Gough, I didn't have a single friend that was like, you know who I'm into
this year, D'Andre Swift.
Oh, they just got Jamal Williams?
I'm into D'Andre Swift.
People were trying to ship DeAndre Swift to other.
People were trying to trade Swift this offseason.
I think he was like a popular, like, get rid of this guy before, you know, his value
tanks.
In the dynasty world.
Yeah, in Dynasty.
However, he's, I mean, he's looked really good.
And this, again, in Haifist, just let it go.
This is the power of reception.
in fantasy. This is why past catching backs are still valuable. I got out my rent. I'm good.
All right. He's second among running backs this year in catches with 23. He's first in receiving
yards with $199. He's not getting a ton of carries. However, he's still getting the more valuable
usage in the passing game and it's really paying off for him. And honestly, I think he looks really
good. This last week was his least exciting game, at least from the points point of view.
But as Dwayne McFarland for PFF pointed out, like he's still
getting the really, really good usage. He ran 33 routes compared to Jamal Williams five.
He out snapped Williams 52 to 21, and he's running the vast majority of passing routes
at the running back position, and he's getting a ton of the short down and distance and two-minute
offense stuff. So, like, all the stuff, all the underlying usage is really strong for him to
continue this and to continue to be running back one, even though he's on a shitty team, and even
though he's not getting a ton of carries. So it's just fun to me that this is all kind of like
actually happening like we expected because a lot of time, you know, in fantasy, weird shit
happens and you're like, I never could have thought that was going to happen. Like, I never thought
Debo Samuel would be a top three receiver. But, you know, the, the John Jay Swift one to me was like
something I was targeting all offseason. So I'm excited that's happening. All right. Number 10,
weird stat that explains the season. Daniel Jones is the QB6. Yeah. Dimes. Daniel Jones is
seventh in passing yards.
We've talked about it several times.
If it's,
I'm starting to buy it.
I'm starting to buy it.
I actually think this might be a real thing.
Y'all are so dumb.
So with the giant caveat,
Craig's not buying it.
He's not taking a clear.
Reargey bias, once again,
rears its ugly head.
All right.
I'm a jaded Giants fan.
Maybe you shouldn't listen to anything I say.
Having said that,
I actually think this offense
kind of looks good, man.
And in ways,
because they stopped doing what Jason Garrett did
and, like,
they were just really aggressive this week,
I'm just going to throw some things at you won.
I think Daniel Jones is either first or second in like deep completion rate, like deep accuracy rate.
Because deep bowl's good.
And now if they don't screw it up, which Jason Garrett said on, whatever.
But Cadarious Tony and Saquan working underneath while John Ross and Kenny Goliday are deep,
that's a big boy offense.
That's like really hard to defend.
The offensive lines playing better so that they have time to actually have these developing routes.
And Daniel Jones.
for the first time, I think I've talked about this with you guys, but like the first time in
at least a year, my little needle on how I feel about him changed in that game. He looked like
an adult. He looked aware of his surroundings. And I just looked like an adult. I'm just saying.
Like he looks, you know, again, it's a funny way of putting it. It's the same comment. It's the
Giants next game. It's the Cowboys, Rams, Panthers, Chiefs, Raiders, Bucks. Who knows? Having said that,
you know what? Oh, God. Like, I really did choose to say this at the wrong time looking at that,
looking at that schedule going for.
But at the same time,
if those are also teams that,
if they,
like if those end up being shootouts
where they can't just try to grind out
a 17 to 12 win.
Like,
you know what?
Maybe they have to throw.
If they let Jones throw,
I,
I am actually,
Cadarstonian Sinkwan are pretty incredible screen options.
What do you want,
do you want them to go 8 and 9
and then sign Daniel Jones
to a $28 million a year contract?
Because that's what's going to happen
if he continues to play decent.
I didn't choose to just be,
roped it in every single season like a moron, but here I am.
I was rooting for them to win the Nsuits'Ns last year with a six and ten record.
I'm an idiot.
It happens every time.
I really actually still think that the Giants, if they'd won the Ns East, would have given
the bucks a real run in that wild card game, just like Washington did.
Okay.
Craig is just not buying it.
You take Daniel Jones over Rathesberger, though.
I would do that in the Sands.
Okay.
Okay. Weird stat explains the season.
The Rams have the fastest offense in the NFL, if you adjust for situation.
Yeah. I don't know if this is necessarily weird, but they really are going like scorched earth policy in terms of like their offense.
They're one of the top, they are the top ranked offense in terms of snap.
Sorry, snaps per minute or whatever in situation neutral.
They're running a lot of plays.
God, I can't say that. Yes. They're running a lot of plays.
Yes, they're running a lot of plays.
They're running fast.
They're also ninth in situation neutral pass rate.
So they're pass heavy and they're fast.
So this is a fantasy gold mine, in other words.
And to be clear, when we say fast, we don't mean like Cooper Cup is speed 40 or dash fast.
We mean like they are snapping ball with time on the play clock leading to like 70 plays a game,
whereas like some teams like the Falcons are trying to run 50.
Correct.
Sorry.
And I know this is like a little bit of word suit.
But yes, basically what they're doing is great.
for fantasy because they're snapping the ball quickly and they're passing a lot.
The other teams, the top five, and I got these numbers from football outsiders, the other
five fastest offenses are the bills, Eagles, buccaneers, and chargers.
Not surprising all those are, you know, pretty much big fantasy teams.
Like big fantasy teams.
Let's say the Eagles pass game is not as, maybe that's a little bit like different, but
for the most part, these are players, like you want the receivers on these teams.
So yeah, I mean, I think just bottom line,
the reason I wanted to talk about the Rams in this situation is that,
like, they are turning out to be kind of like what we thought.
Like, Craig, you were on top of this like from the beginning.
Like the Rams were just going to go all out, pass heavy, blah, blah, blah,
especially once KMakers went down.
I think Daryl Henderson is also going to be incredible for the rest of the season
if he can stay healthy.
I'm a little concerned if you can do it, but if he can do it.
Yeah.
What happened to your Sony Michelle second half of the season bet?
Henderson played way more than I thought.
I thought they were going to limit Henderson with the ribs injury,
but they didn't.
They gave him like,
didn't he get like 80% of snaps?
I just thought they weren't going to do that.
He's been really good.
Honestly, he's been averaging for two points again.
80% of snaps.
That is what Todd Gurley was getting.
And I just didn't think,
I thought rib injury two weeks out.
It's like clearly not as big of a deal as I thought.
He's a guy who I refuse to believe is good at fantasy football for sure.
He played 90% of the snaps,
which is more than what Todd Gurley was doing in his peak.
So, you know, Darrell Henderson.
I still,
I still pretty much believe, like,
the whole, the equation, the calculus with the Rams backfield is not that they're going to split it.
And the reason I wouldn't have said like Sony Michelle is a by low a couple weeks ago is that I think Henderson could get hurt again.
I was never thinking like they're going to have like a split backfield.
I'm just stunned that he came back from a rib's injury and is right back to where Todd Gurley was like immediately.
But here we go.
We'll see how it goes.
Number 12.
Weird then explains the season.
Bengals offense is one of the slowest in the league.
Did you guys know that the Bengals are three and one?
Yeah, they're only three-point dogs right now to Green Bay.
Feels like we're getting a little overreactive being the Bengals team three-in-one.
They haven't beaten anybody.
They're first in the AFC North currently, which is bad.
They beat the shitty Steelers.
They just beat Jacksonville on a Thursday night.
And then they also beat Chicago.
Oh, they beat Minnesota.
I think it's interesting that, like, they're one of the slower offense of the league.
Joe Mixon, who's hurt right now, obviously, has been, I think, pretty disappointing if you have them on your team.
Jamar Chase has been great.
We didn't know how the three receivers would break down with Higgins,
Jamar Chase, and Tyler Boyd.
I feel like we still don't.
Yeah, Higgins had a good start to the season.
Jamar's been consistent throughout,
and then Boyd has been finishing strong lately.
So I kind of agree, but I don't think it's that crazy
that this offense is one of the slowest.
I honestly think this has to do with Burroughs knee.
I think that's what this is.
They're not throwing the law a lot.
I think it's going to change throughout the years
it gets healthy, but I think this is all just protecting.
I mean, he didn't get sacked in that Pittsburgh game.
So one of the assumptions that we made in the offseason,
I don't know if it was an assumption or like just a projection,
was that they were going to be one of the past heaviest
and fastest teams in the NFL,
because that's what they were last year.
It's situation neutral pass rate,
situation neutral, like, speed on offense.
They were both very, very high
because most of the time they were losing, blah, blah, blah.
This season, it's all changed.
They are 31st in neutral situation pace,
so they're the second slowest team.
And then they are also third.
31st in total plays 55 per game.
For context, the bills are averaging 73 plays per game.
The Titans are averaging 76 plays for game,
but I believe they've played in two overtime periods.
So, like, they're 20-something plays behind the top dog in the NFL.
And again, this goes to, like, fantasy opportunity.
There's just fewer plays, fewer, like the pie that are splitting up
between the players on this team is smaller.
this could change going forward.
I think it will.
Yeah, but this is like,
I thought this was just like really notable
because, you know,
they're just not as high octane,
I guess, is what we thought they might be.
But even so,
like, Burroughs been really efficient.
Like, everybody has still kind of,
like, they're weathering the storm
of this slow-paced offense,
which is a great sign.
Like, everybody is still startable.
Burrow is startable.
All three receivers are kind of startable.
Mixing's been startable.
I'm going to criticize my own list and say,
I don't think,
I don't like this stat.
I don't think that this is,
as much as I helped.
I think Craig's, I think, I feel it.
In a weird way, aren't there more players
in the Bills you feel comfortable starting,
on the Bengals, you feel comfortable starting than the bills?
100%.
It's weird.
You know, what Justin Herbert did last night
in the Monday night football game,
we're recording this on a Tuesday.
The one problem sometimes with having a skill player
on a team with a really good quarterback,
because they're so good, they spread the ball around too much.
It's like Shanahan.
The reason the 49 hours are annoying is because Shanhan's
schemes things so well,
that 12 different players can score in their first 12 goddamn touchdowns.
Exactly.
And I know that Michael Thomas with Breeze was like really strong for those two seasons.
But other than that, Breeze was another one of those guys where it'd be like the first nine
passes went to nine different receivers.
Like, and Herbert did that on Monday night.
So that's the problem with the bills.
They're spreading around the ball too much.
Well, no, honestly, it's not the problem with Herbert.
I don't think because if Herbert had actually thrown better, Mike Williams would have had like
120 yards in touchdown.
He was just one pass, but he had four targets.
No, no, you missed them at least twice.
four targets.
Four targets.
Four targets.
He should hit him.
Anyway.
But I'm just saying
in general,
that is kind of like
a thing
where it's like,
God damn it,
the quarterback's so good.
I think that's why
DeAndre Hopkins is having
harder times.
Kyler Murray got better
and the offense is better.
He's hitting the fourth
wide receiver for touchdowns now.
All right.
Let's keep that in mind
for next year.
Okay.
That's your power hour.
We are going to hit
a couple of things.
DK,
the all 22.
How are all 22 your teams
doing this week?
DK.,
how did you do?
It was a pretty good week.
Definitely.
finished better than last week, above 500.
And again, I'm not going to give you the exact thing because I didn't tally it up.
A lot of my leagues have like split standings where you get multiple wins per week.
And I'm just too lazy and who cares?
What gives you more week?
What gives you more angst?
Me asking you to do the math live to count the 22 things, me bitching about PPR or trade offers.
Definitely the PPR thing.
By a lot.
Just checking.
I want to actually check out the Scott Fish League Bowl, or Scott Fish Bowl, sorry, league that I was in.
I was like one of five teams total. And again, there's like hundreds of teams in this league.
I was one of five that lost both Michael Thomas and Cam Acres. So I drafted my draft was,
and again, we drafted this like in the middle of summer. It was way before Michael Thomas injury was even reported.
Yeah. It's not hundreds of thousands. It's a tournament. It was like 2,000 entries.
Yeah. There were, I drafted.
Cammakers in the third,
Michael Thomas in the fourth,
Alan Robinson in the fifth,
and then like a few rounds later,
Chase Claypool.
My team sucks.
So bad.
And by the way,
like you can't,
you know,
you can't like put anybody on IR
so I had to like end up dropping.
And, you know,
it's like,
I don't know.
It's pretty competitive.
And I'm in last place in that one.
So that one's dragging me down.
It's like an anchor.
D.K.,
would you rather have a really bad week
in all of your leagues?
Like,
let's say we're talking like two,
and 20.
But you have a great night.
You have a great week of sleep.
Like, Calvin's just really good.
Or would you rather go 20 and two, and Calvin just keeps you up all night for a week?
I would easily rather have the sleep.
We'll see.
Come playoffs?
Hey, let me put it this way, Craig.
I sleep better when my teams go well.
However, I don't want to be up all night with Calvin.
Come playoffs.
We'll see if you say that again.
We'll see.
You stick to those guns.
Deky, how much sleep do you get these days?
I'm like a seven hour a night.
six and a half, seven hour
a night guy.
I usually go to bed
around like 11
and then I get a 6.
3.
That actually feels about right
and I don't have a child
that I know of.
I'm closer to 8.
I get like 8, 8 and a half
every night.
Well, that's because
you don't drink coffee.
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe who's the unmotivated one now?
My organs are happy.
Yours aren't.
You actually know you don't get REM back?
Like if you miss REM,
there's no making it up, period.
Yeah.
Well.
Cool.
Anyway, let's get to fantasy court.
Actually, wait,
bad beats real quick.
I want to shout out Mark.
who lost his opponent
when his opponent
Lamar Jackson
running for the three yards
to get the Ravens
that's tough
and the Brock's your fist
so many of the same
they lost on that play
which is hilarious
that's brutal
he should hit up John Harbaal
let him know
I won by the way
I won the other night
because Derek Carr
threw that pick
in the fourth quarter
and then he didn't do
anything on the ensuing possession
he had like four incompletions
I was like holy shit
congratulations
yeah
okay fantasy court
Craig, take us through it.
All right, this is from Joe.
You guys didn't do the thing.
This is from Joe.
Joe.
Sorry, I'm usually reading the emails.
Craig clears his throat.
It's all right.
He goes, what's up, guys?
Love the pod.
Listen to every episode.
I'm Joe from Oakland.
Craig, shout out the Bay.
Shout out Danville where I grew up.
Danville.
That is cool, Joe.
Sounds like a good place.
Sounds like a podcast that we could do on the side.
You live in Danville now, Craig.
Yeah.
What's funny is I actually grew up in San Marlon,
which is touching Danville.
It's right next to it.
And he says, I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
So I've been in this league for five years.
I only know one other person in the league, though.
The commissioner is married to my fiancé's cousin.
They needed an extra guy a few years back, and I couldn't say no.
Here's the situation.
Since I've been in the league,
passing touchdowns have always been worth four points,
just like most leagues.
However, I discovered that this year passing TDs
are all of a sudden worth six,
which greatly increases the value of quarterbacks.
As far as I know, the scoring change was never announced.
We are all in a group chat on Instagram,
and we never discussed changes to the scoring rules.
We didn't play last year because of the pandemic,
but still never heard a whisper about changing the scoring system.
All he said in one of the group text was,
check the settings and let me know if I need to change anything.
Super vague, but I didn't think that he would make such an impactful change
without specifically telling us.
It just so happens that the commissioner drafted Patrick Bahams
in the middle of the second round.
Seems like a reach, but he grabbed that one player
who profits the most from this change.
I understand that I should have checked the scoring system before the draft,
but I feel like this is shady.
caveat the commissioner is like he said is the husband to my fiance's made of honor and i don't want to
cause my family drama what should i do he said plus he could he also said plus he could kick his
ass the commissioner could kick joe's ass so a few points of clarification unfortunate commissioner changed
the rules from four points for past dutch sense the six yeah didn't really tell anyone
did the classic like the bare minimum like check and make sure everything's good drafted my home's
kind of probably knowing that he changed the rules.
Yeah.
And then it's like, sorry, he's the, what's the, he's the fiance's cousins, what?
Who is this?
Who's the commissioner is married to his fiance's cousin?
Don't give it to me, that goes back and forth.
Start with the guy who's emailing us is connected to the hip bones.
It's his fiance's cousin's husband.
His fiance's cousins, husband.
And the cousin's the best man for the wedding.
Correct.
Well, the cousin is the maid of honor.
Yeah.
Made of honor. Sorry.
Made of honor.
Sorry.
I'm really bad at keeping track of things.
So they're very close.
They're very close.
So the,
so the,
maid of honor and his wedding's husband
is the commissioner who could kick his ass.
Correct.
And he's like,
do I bring this up?
Like,
what do I do?
This is really hard,
actually.
I think you bring it up.
You just don't make a stink about it.
I think you're like,
you're having a beer at the wedding.
And you kind of,
you're going to wait to the wedding.
Well,
it's not,
what are they going to change the,
Whenever you see him, whenever the wedding is, whenever you see him next,
you're having to be here standing next to him and you're like, hey,
so what's up with this six touchdowns thing?
I saw you drafted Mahomes in the second.
Why don't you let any of us know about that?
That's quite the move.
I would really make it kind of, like, kind of funny and relaxed and make it seem like you don't really care,
but then figure out what his answer is.
And then if he starts being an asshole, you're like, listen, dude, that was pretty shitty of you.
If it's the wedding, I was going to say, if you go to the wedding day, you could pull the godfather
and be like, you cannot have a refusal requests on my wedding day.
like that would just solve it
that's not a bad idea actually
doing on a wedding he'll have to say
if you ask on your wedding you could do it in the speech
you could say in your speech like you could put it in your vows
he's right there
Joe if you do this in your speech
in your vows oh my God
I vow to never
Does anyone have an objection
Just stare at it
We never debated the scoring changes
Honey I vowed to never deceive you
Like our commissioner deceived us in the 2021
Fantasy League.
This is really hard, though.
You have to bring it up.
I think you do it as a joke first,
kind of test the waters.
What do you guys think?
I think it's too late to change the rule, though, isn't it?
Well, you still got to bring it up.
You got to fucking make it accountable.
You got to bust his balls.
I think at this point...
We tell everybody ad nauseum
in the preseason.
What's the first thing you do?
Check the rules.
You read the fucking settings.
Like, sorry, that's just...
I mean, that is what we tell everyone.
I feel like we should abide by that.
But if the settings have always been the same,
and every year...
you go, hey guys, check the settings.
They're like, why don't I have to check the settings?
Did he say how many years they've been playing for this?
It's not a keeper,
he said, since I've been in the league.
Five years, five years.
Yeah, five years, if you have like one thing
and then you change it for five years, I do have some empathy for that.
It's kind of, it's kind of funny, actually.
You can't just change the rules after five years.
I'm not to ask people.
I'm going to go ahead and reach in here and change this setting.
Him saying, hey,
check the scoring rolls, make sure everything's cool.
Just one time is really, really diabolical.
That's like how DC works.
That's just like, hey, we change the billy and any problem with it.
Just like, yeah, cool.
Like, you know.
Bring it up to him, Joe.
See what he says.
I'm curious.
Respond.
Respond back.
This reminds me of the ringer, the ringer fantasy league draft where quarterbacks were going
off the board like crazy in the first round.
And Craig's thinking, Craig's sitting here thinking like, what are these people doing?
He didn't know it was a super flex league.
Oh, man.
My team's hanging in there.
I know.
Your team is just pretty good.
the way, I changed the name of my team.
To what? You did? Craig. Craig's team,
his name is Danny Kelly's team, because he's an asshole.
It's really funny. And now Craig's team is ahead of me in the standings, and so I
changed my into Craig Horlebex team. I wasn't going to bring this up, T.K., but now that
you've actually waded into the waters, I did beat you this week. I'm surprised. I wasn't
going to say it, but. That was you? I thought I was playing just, I thought I was playing
sales. Oh, Craig? You literally fell.
Oh my God.
You idiot.
You literally walked right into my trap.
The tangled web that Craig is weaving.
And just like that, it has paid off.
That is so fucking great.
That happened in real time.
Holy shit.
I was like, I played sales.
I definitely did not play hyphids.
That's hilarious.
That is rich.
Compelling and rich.
We can end on that note.
What an incredible.
I think that's all we got.
I don't think we're really going to top that.
No, that's it, boy.
That's hilarious.
All right.
Well, I don't know which of you is which, but thank you, Craig.
Thank you, Danny.
Thank you everyone emailing us.
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Love those stars.
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Okay.
All right.
House the Rising Sun.
D.K.'s music case in mine are just way the fuck off.
I thought you liked old
I thought you liked old stuff
Yeah
What is your music taste Craig
It's kind of all over the map
To be quite honest
But I like
Like 60s and 70s like rock
Like I like like Mamas and the Pappas
I love like Creedens Clearwater Revival
You just drove six hours for a wedding
Yeah
What were you listening to in the car
Other than podcasts?
Well
It's more like background music
Because I was with my girlfriend
So it's like, it's not like we're just like sitting quietly listening to music.
We did for a little bit, but luckily we have similar music taste.
Yeah, it's like 60s and 70s like rock.
And then I like like, you know, I'm not, me and my friend Chris talk about this all the time.
Top 40 music is good.
I love pop.
I love the top 40 bullshit.
I like all that.
I think it's good.
I like Billy Eilis.
I like Olivia Lago.
I actually agree.
I like Lady Gaga.
It's actually sometimes fun.
But then, you know, John Mayer, Casey Musk guys.
I'm just, I like all that.
I like most, I like rap.
Where do you think that we differ, though?
I don't know.
Just all the bands you name,
I feel like I just don't listen to those bands.
Stan Gets.
You don't catch me listening to Stan Gets on the Saturday.
You're not into like the jazz.
That's fine.
I get that.
That's D.K.'s fantasy teams too.
It's about the players that you don't play.
That's...
D.K.'s like Ryan Gosling and La La Land.
He's like, you don't like jazz.
You never heard of jazz.
L.A. worships everything values nothing.
I like that movie.
Yeah, I can tell them.
I don't know how to respond to that.
But that's fine.
We'll convert you.
We'll get you into some Stan Getz here.
Maybe we can get the rights to a stand get song for our intro.
There we go.
I'm sure the audiences would love that.
High Fitz is done.
I'm just thinking about things LA worships and doesn't value.
Everything.
We value Lakers tickets.
Lose it only for three years and never got to go because that shit's $400 to get the goddamn door.
Same of the Rams ticket, man.
Chargers, you know, it's just so hard.
Okay.
All right.
We're pulling the plug here.
Goodbye, everyone.
We didn't talk about how the stadium with a roof got rained out.
Oh, yeah.
I actually did want to talk about this.
Steve Young on the field being,
Steve Young on the field being like,
so we're going to get struck by lighting sideways,
and if we are going to get struck by lighting sideways,
why are they letting us on the field right now?
I thought that was such a good question.
He's asking the questions we all have.
He's like, we're standing on the field.
Never got explained why the players
I mean, I know the answer is probably just like a legal lightning.
It's like a legal thing.
And like ESPN is like, we don't care.
However, I can't believe they're just like, yeah, if Adam Schafter gets struck by lighting,
who gives a shit?
But like, you know, got to, you know.
I mean, there's so many things that are funny about this.
Number one, they spent like how many billions of dollars on this thing and it doesn't,
you can't play there when it's raining.
The fact that it's the chargers is funny.
There's a giant lightning bolt on the field.
I also want to put into context that the pre, before this.
so far stadium is built. It's the most expensive stadium ever. The Raiders Stadium was also
the most expensive stadium. That was $2 billion. That was the most expensive stadium ever.
So this is more than twice what the previous record was at $5 billion.
But they wanted that nice, they wanted that nice L.A. breeze to swing through.
I mean, I get that. And people were answering, I was like joking about this like lightning
pause or whatever. It was the thunderstorms in the area. And people kept like being like very
serious, like, oh, look, it's why it's open on the side. And my first thought was exactly
what you said Steve Young said, which is, I actually didn't know that lightning went sideways.
Like, how does that work? I don't think it does. I'm not a scientist. I don't know enough
about lightning to be like, that definitely can't happen. Yeah. Anyway, that was funny.
I was more surprised it was raining in L.A. I got to say, yesterday was the weirdest L.A.
Weather Day I think I've ever experienced. There's so much about L.A. weather they don't tell you.
It was like 80 degrees, extremely humid.
It was not raining, and it was thundering and lightning, like crazy.
It was bizarre.
It was the weirdest day.
That's cold weather, like everywhere else in the country.
The thing I have to say, though, about living in LA, there's some things people, like,
oh, it's the beach.
Things people don't tell you, among other things, is like you just don't see the sky for, like, June.
There is no sky in LA.
It's just smog.
And you move there, and you're like, why is there just a constant?
cloud of smog smothering the city and blotting out the sun. And they're like, it's called the
June gloom. Like, did you expect to see the sky before July 4th? Like, I was the moron. And I'm like,
that never comes up. The underlying secret is that September and October are better weather
months than June and July in L.A. Anyway, oh, okay. This has gone on too long, but I have so many
thoughts on L.A. I don't want to get into it all right now.
Five stars.
Five.
Five stars.
Thank you all.
