The Ringer NFL Show - Power Ranking Which QBs Could Change Teams, Eagles Therapy and a Fantasy Recap With Chris Ryan, Plus Fantasy Court

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

In this week’s Power Hour, the guys rank which quarterbacks will be available this offseason and which ones can actually succeed on new teams. Chris Ryan joins to talk about the Eagles' crushing 'MNF' loss and Chris making the playoffs in the Ringer Fantasy League. Then, Fantasy Court and emails. Link to Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/WdtQNSdDUc (00:00) Intro (2:29) Philip Rivers (6:20) Power Hour! (52:40) Chris Ryan joins the show (01:18:13) Fantasy Court (01:22:16) Emails Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, Ronak Nair, and Ryan Garcia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dan Havitson. I'm joined by Danny Killing, Craig Coralbeck, and today it is power hour, where we power rank something every Wednesday. And today we are power ranking quarterbacks who will be available in the offseason because we were frankly just so blown away that the Colts actually signed grandfather, Philip Rivers, that we are just going to look at the quarterback carousel and sees available. Who needs a quarterback? What quarterbacks are actually going to be out there?

Because, wow, I am not over. D.K., someone your age is going to be in the NFL. Grand Papi Rivers out there. Sounds like a whiskey brand or something. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. I'm actually very excited to see this. I don't know if it's going to be a complete disaster, probably, but I'll be watching.

It's going to be fun until about, oh, I don't know, three minutes into the game when you realize that the Colts can't move the ball and Philip Rivers is 44. The first snap will be fun, and then it'll probably be pretty boring. What if he just passes to Tyler Warren 17 times a game? Well, we're going to talk about that on the preview show

about, like, what you should do with Tyler Warren. We're going to have to get in all that. We're also going to have Chris, Ryan on the show today. We're going to just do an Eagles wellness check with Chris Ryan here at the ringer. And you know what? I think we are going to start the Discord because a lot of people emailed us about the Discord. So we could post that in the episode description or emails if you want the Discord.

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learn more at chime.com okay so we're going to go through quarterbacks for this off season in large part because the Colts just signed Philip Rivers to their practice squad a semi-finalist for the Hall of Fame as of two weeks ago and the details on that

well it's Depends. So the details in that. If he's activated to the rock, if he's promoted to the active roster, Philip Rivers, his five-year window for the Hall of Fame resets, which he's not going to make it. But if he stays on the practice squad, Rivers is still Hall of Fame eligible. He's older than Philip Rivers is older than Shane Steichen, the head coach of the Colts. He's older than Jim Bob Cooter, the coordinator for the Colts.

He's multiple players in the Colts roster were like a year old when Philip Rivers was drafted. DK moments before we started recording here on Tuesday afternoon, you sent me a post by someone on Twitter that Rivers said he's been running. Who said, what was this JJ Watt who said that? JJ Watt from apparently from the production meeting. Rivers has been running the same offense, the Colts run for his son Gunner's team because he's a high school football coach right now. And apparently Rivers calls Stuyken and talks to him about the offense

and like how things are going, um, discussing plays and even film, according to J.J. Watt. So, so this is, this makes more sense, I guess, why they called Philip Rivers over at Craig yesterday. You were like, why Philip Rivers? Like, don't they have anyone else? It's because Shane Stuyken and him are buddies. And they still talk about the offense. It always comes down to who you know. I mean, Philip Rivers put together a pretty good career. So I think it makes a little bit of sense. But it is, by the way, they didn't sign Philip Rivers to the practice squad to not elevate him to the roster. Unless he tears his hamstring in practice one,

he's going to be their starter at some point. The only thing I could think of that would even make sense if the goal is not for him to play is that they're so concerned about Ripin and Riley Leonard Heavy to play that they actually want Phil Rivers to sit there and help coach basically. But no, I think Phil Rivers is coming back to play football.

Yeah. And what's nice to know is that if you look at where Gunner went to high school, I believe it is, I have it here, it's St. Michael Catholic. They were 13 and 1 this year. So they're doing something right. The offense is working.

They should sign Philip Rivers' son to play quarterback. He'd probably be better than Philip Rivers at this point. Also, at some point that's going to happen between NIL and everything. At some point, just sign a high school or it's fine. D.K., there are a lot of things. We're not going to get rid of this at any point. I mean, this is just delicious. Do you think this is more or less weird the Colts signing a quarterback to play

because they talked to him on the phone a lot with the head coach? Is that better or worse than the time when the Colts hire Jeff Saturday to be their head coach because the old owner Jim Ursae would just call them sometimes. I think the Jeff Saturday thing was weirder because Philip Rivers, believe it or not,

has played quarterback in the NFL before. So that makes it less weird to me. Jeff Saturday being on first take on his skin one day and then being the coach the Colts the next day. Did Jeff Saturday coach at any level whatsoever before coaching the NFL? I think high school. I mean, he was a center for the Colts for a long time.

He's just friends with Jim Ursay. So that was weirder. but the Colts just do weird things. This is thinking outside the box. I would say this. I mean, obviously, Philip Rivers is older than Joe Flacco, but I pretty much thought Joe Flacco's career was dead and gone,

and he came back and he played pretty well for a while. He's four years older than Joe Flack. That's not nothing. Think about that. Yeah, but think about how many, think about how good his body's feeling after not getting beat up for the last, you know, four or five years. There's been so much made about the Colts new owner,

Jim, Rissy's daughter, Carly, Ersay Gordon, being on the headset this year and being on the sideline. And I'm curious what this pitch was to Carl Eursa Gordon of like, I got an idea at quarterback. Just we'll see. So with that said, I think we're kind of inspired here.

We're going to pretend for a moment that the cults, breaking news, they've hired us to fix their quarterback situation. We're starting a consulting firm. Yeah. Which, I don't know what we should call it. Do we have a better name, Craig? I mean, I kind of like when firms have, multiple of the same name in it.

Like it's a generational company, like Danny, Danny and Craig. We could just do that. That's very simple. Danny and Sons. Rivers and Sons? Rivers and Sons? We just call ourselves McKinsey.

Has anyone taken that? Yeah, that's good. We should just name that. I kind of like that. We're going to go through it. We're going to look at the quarterbacks that are available this off season because this,

I just think this was a wake-up call for all these teams. Because also the Daniel Jones injury, again, the cult season might be lost. I mean, you know, we'll get into their competitiveness for the rest of the season. But Daniel Jones, I mean, tearing his Achilles, we don't know if Daniel Jones is going to be ready for the beginning of next season. And we don't know if Daniel Jones will be ready.

I mean, he could have a setback and not be ready at any point in the middle of next season. So we, I mean, if you kind of pull the threat out, we want to just look at the overall quarterback market. So we're going to, you know, we'll get a presentation here for the cults and we'll build them for McKinsey. We'll have to make a power point. And we're factoring in, like, contract. If you have to trade for this guy, if they're going to be a free agent, how old they are. like this isn't just like in a vacuum situation. We are considering every single element of what it would take to bring a quarterback in.

Including the best ability is availability. And we're to start with how available all these guys. So we're just going to go through and just look at who are the quarterbacks that are available next year. We're not going to do the clock. Sorry to Tom Tom, but I think some of these guys don't necessarily need two minutes. So we're to go through more guys than usual. I want to start with the NFL draft and the quarterbacks here.

And I just want to just to remind everyone, We do the draft show over the offseason. We cover the whole off season. So if you're here for fantasy, we do the whole playoffs. We go through the Super Bowl. We go to the Combine in Indianapolis. We do the draft. We do free agency.

We do all this stuff. So stick up with us once the regular season ends, the playoffs. We're here like year round as a show. But for the draft, this isn't a very deep class at quarterback for the draft. And if you're the cult, there's not much hope. I feel like it's relatively simple. It's like there's Fernando Mendoza of the quarterback in Indiana. He's probably the number one pick this year or wherever he goes.

It's like the teams that need a franchise pick, the Browns have multiple first round the Jets of multiple first rounders, the Raiders, like, Fernando, one of those teams is going to take Fernando Mendoza. And then if Dante Moore Jr. comes out at Oregon, he would also go Brown's Jets,

Raiders. And then that's kind of it. There's Ty Simpson from Alabama, but like he also might go Brown's Jets, Raiders, maybe the Steelers a team. But I feel like all these other quarterbacks are going back to school this year. Like,

I don't think there's a ton of quarterbacks in this year's draft. That's how it feels right now, especially with Mendoza has like a lot of momentum. based on that post-game interview that we saw from a couple days ago. Flipping champs! So, yeah, I would say with Dante Moore and Ty Simpson, strong chance one or two, one or both of those guys goes back.

So I don't think it's supposed to be a very deep year for the quarterback spot. And by the way, if we're doing the consulting thing for the Colts, the Colts don't have two, they don't have first rounder for two more years. Correct, exactly. That is kind of just, while acknowledging teams can, go to the draft for these quarterbacks, we're kind of taking the draft out of the picture. But are we also going to remove the fact that if the Colts wanted to trade for, let's say, Trevor Lawrence, they probably couldn't do that because they don't have first-round picks?

Yeah, definitely. I think that's a huge problem for them. And I mean, Lawrence is a good example of this exercise where I think even, ironically, even around the trade deadline, it was probably, you know, Lawrence was probably available. I don't think Lawrence would ever get traded to the Colts because they're in the same division. But Lawrence is a good example. I don't think he's available anymore. Like he's playing too well.

The Jacks are too good. They're going to make the playoffs probably. So he's probably the worst quarterback that were the best quarterback that was available at any point, but even he's out. But yeah, in terms of the draft, I mean, I think Archmanning is going back to college. Lenore Sellers for South Carolina is going back. John Meteer at Oklahoma, maybe. Garrett Nussmeyer was probably going to be out in the draft.

But Garrett Nussmeyer got benched, Phyllis. You at one point this season briefly. Carson Beck, I don't know if his teammates love him. And frankly, I feel like the thing I associate with Carson Beck the most is just all the dick picks that just keep coming about. So I don't know. I think the second round quarterbacks the Colts could get by definition are not going to like be, win now players if they're falling into the second round there will be some tyler shuck version of tyler shuck yeah there always is um who guy who and you know what jackson dart

maybe like a guy that i think earlier on in the process wasn't considered a a high end prospect and then kind of turned into one through the process and he's looked pretty good but the yeah and so the reality is the draft is the last piece of this and the cults are because they know first rounder are not in position to like wait for the draft so we have to look so i want to start with just quarterbacks that are playing right now like trade cannon minutes at quarterback. And we're just going to go through here. And this is an order of guys that, like, let's say, like, you're the Colts next year.

You have a competitive roster and you need a quarterback to kind of try to take you to the next level. Who could you reasonably bring in that would give you the best shot next year and beyond? It's kind of what we're thinking where if you have a guy like Daniel Jones, he's probably not going to play next year with this Achilles thing. Like, what do you do? And so we're going to start with the guy we'd probably try to get the most and then down. That's not how I ordered it.

I wanted to order it as I, I, I'm ordering it. it as I think these are every team that would answer the phone about their quarterback. And then I want to talk through with you guys about whether we should recommend the Colts call this team. So for example, that's kind of the same thing. Yeah, okay. Well, I think I'm saying, I'm not, we're starting with good quarterbacks working our way down. Well, the first guy in the list I had is to us. So I didn't want to be like, whoa, whoa, oh, this is my best option. Ristling at how you say this because two is number one. Two is the first guy ahead of this list. So I didn't want to be like, oh, my number one suggestion. I think these are teams that will pick up the phone.

and then I want to talk to you guys about whether we should actually call them. I have two extremely low on my list. Okay. Well, I wanted to go through. So Tua, here's the deal. I think the dolphins will replace Tua, but after looking into his contract, I think Tua is basically untradable and uncutable in 2026.

And kind of a locked, I think he's going to get cut in 2027, because the dolphins would save a lot of money in cutting him in 2027, but I don't think Tua actually can be moved. So I do think Tua will be the quarterback for the dolphins next year. But if they can find a way to foist him upon someone, I think they would.

$55 million. in 2026 for Tua. He is the lowest quarterback on my list of available guys. He's dead last. If I were the Colts, I would want him the least for how much he costs. Yeah. He's undersized, extremely scheme-specific, extremely high injury risk,

says weird stuff in the media. What would you say you do here? He's the most scheme-specific guy I think I can think of in terms of just like, I don't know what he would look like in any. other offense. They've completely geared everything around him, and even that is not very good. So, yeah. Well, speaking to which, the next team here that I think would pick up the phone,

two is not available. I think this guy's super available. Kyler Murray, quarterback for the Cardinals for now, basically got benched for Jacoby and they put him on injured reserve so everyone can save some face here. The Cardinals need to make a decision on Kyler Murray by March 15th. And option one is keep Kyler Murray as your backup quarterback. behind Jacoby Percette for let me check here. $40 million a year.

$40 million a year backup. Option two is cut Kyler Murray or option three is trade Kyler and try to get a pick back. I think you could actually get Kyler for a third or fourth rounder. It's kind of funny how fast life comes at you. Yeah, it's like one of those things where they'll ask for a second or a first and then they'll get a late second

or maybe like a future second or a third or fourth. The Cardinals have to take on money to take... I feel like that. a fourth is too embarrassing. It's true. They probably have... A day three pick. They, again,

40 million, if you're not going to play them, it's 40 million a year for backup. So they need to release the money, but you're right. How much is cousins making this year? 30. 35, yeah,

around that. So it's embarrassing. So with that said, Kyler is available. Kyler is the most available of all these guys. DK, if you're the cults,

or any team that needs a quarterback right now, Would you want Kyler Murray? That's a really hard question to answer. Define want. I mean, it depends on what you're going up against. Like, if I have the option to get Mack Jones or Kyler Murray, I would take Mack Jones in a second. Yeah, I think that's fair.

And it's hilarious because of how much Kyler makes. The things that Kyler has going for him, obviously, is he's still relatively young. He's mobile, athletic. You know, he moves around. He can do this stuff outside of the pocket. and then basically everything else is a big question mark or a negative. You know, I don't think he's known particularly for his leadership skills.

Like every year he's faded towards the end of the season. Injuries have been an issue. Being on the same page with his receivers has been an issue. It's basically just been all downhill for Kyler since like a couple years ago. He'll be 29 years old at the beginning of next season. He's played one full season since 2020. He's 10 games below 500 career. he has one winning season as a starting quarterback.

And a guy like him who's the most undersized quarterback in the league. He gets hurt all the time. His mobility is like the one thing that separates him. I mean, I would not be taking on any kind of money. I mean, even if I'm only having to send a third round pay. I just don't think, I mean, I don't know. I guess if you think about it if you're the Colts, if Kyler Marie is just on the Colts right now, healthy,

are they a playoff team? Maybe. but I think the price tag of it is the issue where I would not pay that I would not pay $43 million in 2026 to have to be the Colts led by Kyler Murray next year. Wouldn't part of the trade be the the team, the Cardinals would have to eat part of his contract. I mean, yeah, that would be a negotiation. I think they would have to. Yeah. I think there's probably $17 million bonus. I don't think anyone cares about the accounting right now.

But yeah, but you'd still be paying Kyler at a minimum $25, $30 million, $25, like for sure. Craig, let me ask you this. You're also changing everything about your offense for him. Like the Cardinals, Trade McBride has as many touchdowns in the last six weeks with Jacobi Berset as Trade McBride did in the rest of his career combined. Like, I don't know if Kyler has even given you a good showcase of your own players. I think the Kyler scenario is going to be similar to, you know, like the Justin Fields contract a little bit. Obviously, it's different situation because you have to make a trade, but it's like basically we don't have high hopes.

The Jeff Fields contract? Yes. Like we don't have high hopes. He's not going to be. we don't think he's going to be a high-level starter, but he's better than what we have right now. He's better, and there's a world in which we can design an offense around this guy. Obviously, it did not work out with Justin Fields.

I think Kyler is very clearly a better quarterback than Justin Fields. But I think just stylistically, it's a bridge quarterback. You don't think you're not trading for him to be your new future franchise pillar. It's like, it's better than what we could get in the draft or what we have in free agency. Yeah. I think unless it's an abject disaster, people are always going to take a second chance on the first overall pick. And Kyler has not been an abject disaster.

It's been a big disappointment. But him joining a second team and getting another shot I think is going to happen. I don't know if I believe in it. But a team is going to take a shot at him. So on that note, before we move off Kyler, what team do you think Kyler would have the most success on DK? I guess you'd be the least surprised if Kyler was successful on. There's teams like, I mean, Jets, Raiders, Browns.

I think those are the funniest teams if kind of went to the Browns Jets. But teams that could use a bridge, the cult, the Vikings Falcons maybe the Steelers like which of those teams do you think would you be least surprised

if Kyler was playing had like a really good season next year once in the play yeah that's tough I guess I lean Steelers I don't know Craig would you be so say Rogers

retires we'll talk about Rogers in a minute but like say Rogers retires would you rather have like a bridge here with like a Mason Rudolph type of journeyman or trade a third for Kyler Murray and see how it goes this year. I don't want to trade a third for Kyleor Murray

and give him $35 million. I wouldn't even give up a third. Million dollars. I just, I wouldn't want it. I mean, the stylistic whiplash on the Pittsburgh offense, going from Aaron Rogers to Kyler Murray,

it's like neither of which I think are good for D.K. Metcalf or these giant tight ends. Like, it just, to me, none of it really makes sense. So I don't think it's a good fit in the cold weather and not in a dome. Like, I just think it's a horrible fit across the board.

Stylistic whiplash is a great way to put the Roger to Kyler thing because Rogers is kind of like a person that everything needs to be exactly where they are like you know those do you have any friends who won't even like let you load the dishwasher a different way than they do it like everything has to be the way he does it Kyle is someone whose room is

like whose apartment's so messy that they can find stuff but only they know where anything is and it's like Kyle only Kyler is the one who's going to be able to do stuff but he couldn't do anything in anyone else's place another so a guy who needs to go to a team with like out of identity like he needs to

go to like the Raiders or something where he can just kind of they start with Kyler and then build out from there rather than try to shove Kyler into something like the Steelers. I also kind of one of the car. Feel like the most likely. If they keep Pete Carroll, I think Kyler and Russell Wilson have a lot in common, both stylistically. And in a funny way, issues with their leadership because no one respects Russ, even though he really wants to be a leader. And Kyler doesn't seem interested.

I don't know what the deal is with Kyler, but he's the only active quarterback whose teammates have criticized him on the record for leadership, which is just never done. And so Pete Carroll has a lot of experience with Russell. Like this same archetype. It's crazy athletic, undersized quarterbacks that if Russell Wilson or Kyler was 6-4, they'd be unbelievable players. But they can't see over the offensive line. And as the athleticism wanes, then suddenly all the crazy off-structure stuff is the offense.

This is why the Cardinals chose percent over Kyler-Murray. It's one, I think they really respect that Shikobi Percette is prepping. That's to me the indictment of Kyler's. It's obviously hard when we're not around Kyler or whatever every day. But all the Cardinals are like, Jacoby Percent, he's so prepared. He sends me, Michael Wilson was talking about. He sends me clips of, right? Yeah.

It's like, they're like, he sends me clips of how he wants me to run routes. I can't believe how much time he's spending, studying film. And we're like, that's not good. That's what they're talking about. So I think Pete Carroll and the Raiders, if they kept Pete Carroll, that would make sense for Colorado. He loves the reclamation. He loves. I also like, I don't know.

To me, it makes a lot more sense for Kyler to play in a dome and play in a West Coast division. Like, I just don't, like him being on the Raiders and playing the Chargers and Denver and he's playing indoors a lot, rather than like you throw him in the AFC North. I just think that's a disaster. That is true. That is true. And also, yeah, like the Steelers, I mean, we just, Rogers down. I think the Steelers, Aaron Rogers is a free agent.

But I think the Steelers are going to keep him, right? I don't think Rogers would leave them. I don't think the Steelers would leave Rogers, right? No, I mean, unless Tomlin's gone, Matt, that could change things because I know Rogers really likes Tomlin, but I think if Rogers were to come back next year, I think it would only be with Pittsburgh. I don't think he wants to do a third team in three years. You think, but that's, that is the scenario. Like, if the Steelers fire Tomlin, which I don't think will happen. No, I don't either. But if they did, you think Rogers would just retire?

Because I think he's played pretty well this year. Yeah, I honestly, it probably depends on what happens. I think there's still like the remainder of the season is probably still will affect what Rogers does. Like if they win a playoff game, he's coming back, I think. If they don't make the playoffs, I can see him retiring.

And if he doesn't feel good about where the... If Tomlin gets fired or if the Steelers, you know, bottom out and lose their last three games and don't make the playoffs, I think all of that still will factor in. Well, the most Rogers himself believer in the universe and all these things, his whole career has just been a copy of Brett Farre,

15 years with the Packers, traded to the Jets. He would have his little sojourn to the Steelers. But like if he then went to the Vikings and then it was like Rogers and then McCarthy just kind of, you know, sit behind him for a year, that would actually be. Did Farb go to an NFC championship game with Minnesota? Or was it? Yes.

And they should have beaten the Saints in the 09 championship game. And then Farv threw a backbreaking pick at the end of the game. And Farve blew it for them. Well, right now the AFC playoff setup has the Steelers playing the Chargers in round one. That's a great game for the Steelers. Oh, I have a take purge at some point. I don't know if now's the time.

I might have to go on the Friday preview about the Chargers. Just do it. I want it now. I think the Chiefs are going to make the playoffs. You think the Chargers are going to bottom out? And I think the Chargers is going to blow it. This is a completely sidetrack. Hi Fitts is going back to the Eagles Chief Super Bowl take.

The Chiefs play the Chargers next week. Yeah. Let's just say the Chiefs win that game. Do you realize what the Chiefs have to win out after that? Do you realize two of the three games are the Raiders and the Titans? Those are the worst teams in the league. What's the other one? The Broncos.

So that's harder. But if the Chiefs win that game, that would be 4-0. So the Chiefs have to go 4-0, but it's Chargers, Broncos, they're harder. Raiders, Titans, are like 2-0. All that has to happen in addition to that is the Chargers, who after the next week would play the Cowboys, Texans, and Broncos. The Chargers would just have to go 1 and 2 versus Broncos, Houston, and Cowboys. They could win, lose two games versus the, you. those games, and then the Chiefs would make the playoffs and the Chargers would not.

And we just all rode off the Chiefs, but I'm kind of am looking at this. I'm like, if the Chiefs win this week, they're going to make the fucking playoffs. Well, because you have to factor in that. There's going to be a wild card. Houston or Jacksonville is going to get the wild card in the AFC South. The other wild card is already going to be an AFC North team. I guess, yeah. Division.

Sorry, yeah. Because the Chargers could still be the other wild card. All three could make it theoretically. But the Chiefs could get, because the Chiefs could. I think the Chiefs I think could leapfrog the Chargers because they look so bad right now and the tackles and everything I think the Chargers do not look great

and I think it could be Just beat the Eagles I don't know because look you already have The Bills are going to be a wild card And the Texans are going to be a wild card So there's really There's only one spot left for the Chiefs I think the Chiefs play the Chargers this week

And I'm saying I think that the Chiefs could finish 4 and 0 And I think the Chargers could finish like one and three I'm gonna about all the Chargers this weekend That would put the Chiefs what 10 and 7 Yeah. I'm just saying. Just throwing it out there.

With that said, actually, no, I don't know what we're talking about. Let's go to the next team. Next team here. I was just looking at basically just going by teams that would pick up the phone. The Panthers with Bryce Young. For sure.

I think ultimately, I'm curious what you guys think. I think the answer is no, the Panthers wouldn't trade Bryce because he's so cheap that I don't think anyone would give up what it costs to get Bryce Young because Bryce Young is more valuable to the Panthers than anyone where it's,

I mean, he's making $12 million dollars next year, which for a quarterback. I mean, Justin Fields got double that on free agency and it was cheap. I don't know. I mean, either of you actually think Bryce Young is actually a trade target. Yeah, I think that's kind of the problem is here. Who's going to trade for him? Because he's not, he's all over the place.

He's had a couple of really nice games, but for the most part, his numbers are pretty bad this season. His numbers were really bad. It's rookie season. He had a eight game stretch. He basically had an eight game stretch where he was really good and then throw in like a 480 yard. game or whatever it was that he had this year. And otherwise, he's been pretty much bad.

He's like if Kyler wasn't that athletic. Yeah. If Kyler had no athletic tools or physical tools. Yeah, he's definitely more valuable on the Panthers. And you'd have to overspend to take him out of Carolina, which at that point do you really want to overspend for Bryce Young? But I do have him high on the list of like guys that I would be interested in taking a shot on because of their price.

and how important they are to the team they're on, which ultimately in the grand scheme of things, I don't think is that important. Like for the right price, I think the Panthers would probably get rid of Briseo. But I could be wrong. Right. Yeah, they're one of the teams on here that I think would listen to offers

because I think they're probably at this point realizing the clock is ticking on whether we're going to pick up his option, whether we're going to assign him to a longer-term contract. Maybe we would try and avoid that whole scenario. We know he's not the long-term answer. Right. They have one more year before they have to, like they get, or before they can pick up his fifth year. I mean, they could win the NFC South this year. And if they win the NFC South, he's not going to go anywhere. Well, that's the thing, though. It's easy to say a pick, but the reality is, I mean, would the Panthers take a second round pick for Bryce Young? No way. Of course not. Now, would you give up the top 10 pick in the draft for Bryce Young. Probably not. Would you give up the 25th pick in the draft for Bryce Young? Maybe, yeah.

But the Panthers wouldn't. And I think that's kind of a problem. Like, could the Steelers offer the 20-second pick? to 25th pick? For Bryce Young? No, because then who's their quarterback, Andy Dalton? I think they would. Mac Jones? Well, we can talk about Mac Jones, too. I think Mac Jones is number one on my list

in terms of guys who are, like, get-able. He is number one on my list. Oh, let's go through it right now. Would you rather have Mac Jones? Because Mac Jones would need to be traded, right? Like, he's under contract. Mac Jones, the contract, so he's one more year

for the 49ers for a $4 million cap hit. Right, right. Which is such a good deal that you're going to have to pay for it. And that's, I actually think, well, where were you going to say? I mean, again, he went five and three this year as filling in for Brock Party. I mean, if you're Carolina, would you rather have, I don't know, the 25th pick from some team and then you can trade for Mac Jones? So you would have Mac Jones and the 25th pick or Bryce Young? I think the answer was you'd cut out the middleman.

I'd rather have Mac Jones. I don't need Bryce Young. I think that you cut the Panthers out of the deal. What team would trade for Bryce Young that wouldn't do Mac Jones? Because the list of, I think Mac Jones is the biggest list of teams that could make sense from DK. The list of teams, all the play. action-based teams that do a Shanahan or McVeigh stuff, I think could use Mac Jones. Because he's part, I mean, Shanahan wanted him originally in the 2020 draft, or a 2021 draft

when they ended up taking Trey Lance. But, D-K, I think Mac Jones would work for the Colts. And you could, Daniel Jones rehabs, Richardson's like the developmental backup in Mac Jones plays. I think Mac Jones works for the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell and he's the next Donald and McCarthy kind of sits behind Matt Jones. Yeah. I think the Falcons, if the Falcons wanted to move on from Kirk Cousins, because Michael

Panix Jr. is also getting like an ACL review. construction so he's not going to be ready either they're kind of in the same boat as the cults right where it's like Daniel Jones Achilles michael pennix ACL like kind of the same boat and I think even mac Jones to the Steelers could make sense even if the browns didn't get a quarterback i think the browns with kevin stifansky mac jones makes a ton of sense i think the jets where it's like the jets if they want to run anything resembling the lines i think mac jose i think there's a lot of teams that would want mac jones enough that i actually i i do think he'll absolutely cost a second round pick, though, if not more, because I think a lot of teams are

going to be interested. It reminds me of, didn't Alex Smith get traded for a second back in the day when they had a home waiting in the wings or whatever? It reminds me of that type of situation where Mac Jones is not as older or proven, I guess, but he by far looked, I think, the best of any of these quarterbacks that we've talked about this year in terms of just his ability to run the offense. He's a former first round pick. You know, he was a really good, or at least relatively good starter, his first year before things kind of fell apart in new. England. So there's a lot of things working there. I don't know what his personality is gauged in terms of around the league, like his leadership and stuff like that, because he was

kind of, I mean, I didn't get good vibes from him as a leader early on in his career. The Niners have been very impressed with him. And the, they've talked, I mean, winning helps. We went five and three. But he beat, I mean, went one-on-one versus the Rams. I mean, you know, one of the games he lost was against the Texans and that defense was no shame in that. I think to your point, I've heard very mixed things about Mack Jones and the Patriots tenure. lot about that time, but basically some lack of professionalism on the coaching staff side. And basically the Mac Jones kind of got screwed by the Patriots organization, the end of the Belichick era, Patricia, like a lot of crazy stuff.

Remember, he had to deal with Patricia being the offensive coordinator for a season. And then they threw Mack Jones under the bus because he called Bama for help. And he's like, they don't know what they're doing. I think Mac Jones is clearly the prize, like if you need help. I think if you're the Niners, though, and someone else you see a fourth round pick, you're like, absolutely not. We're not giving you a Mac Jones. For $4 million to keep him as your backup next year, no way.

Well, that's the thing. Even if you offer them a high third round pick, you're the Niners. I think Brock Purdy's played one full season in four years. He's making $4 million. But literally, Niners already missed a Super Bowl appearance because Brock Purdy got hurt in a championship game. Yeah. He got hurt. I mean, he has the turf toe right now.

I think even a high third round pick, the Niners can't convince their fan base that that's worth. I think you need to give the Niners a second round pick for Mac Jones to be consistent. And then you'd have to give Mac Jones like 25, 30 million a year. Yeah. I agree. So there's a big commitment there. The Niners have all the leverage. But I think that Mac is,

Max, one of those guys where it feels like he's better on a good team, which sounds stupid. But it's like, if Mac is surrounded by the right pieces, he can be even better. And he's like a force multiplier. But when he's on a shitty team, he's not an elevator. Yes, that can't block for him. It's even worse. That's, that is the second class. That's the second tier quarterbacks.

That's everyone, right? There's the guys that we think, Josh Allen's the perfect example of, they'll actually divest from all their receiving talent around him and get rid of a Stefan Dakes because I think Josh is so good. Mahomes, where they divest, they get rid of Tyree Kael and invests on defense. That's the top tier, guys who can do with anyone. But all these reclamation quarterbacks, that's everyone. Jared Goff with the Lions, Sam Donald, Daniel Jones, Baker,

when they were on the Panthers or the Browns, like those guys sucked when they were on good supporting cast. I do think Mac Jones makes sense as the next guy like that. other other starters here that I think are worth talking about. J.J. McCarthy and the Vikings, I think this one's simple. If Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings coach is on the phone and they're trying to convince you to take McCarthy,

then if Vikings are selling, you shouldn't be buying, right? If he's so good. Yeah, exactly. That's like a fantasy trade. You want to, then. Exactly, yeah. So I think there's no market for McCarthy. They have to hold.

So the only other start I want to ask you about, I want to ask you about DK is Gino Smith for the Raiders. Yeah. So, Complicated. This is a complicated one. One year left, no money guaranteed.

I don't think it's not complicated. Well, so the argument against Gino is really easy. He's 35 years old. He'll be in his third team in three years, two and 11 on the worst team in the NFL maybe. And Gino is making a bad situation worse because he leads the NFL in interceptions.

So that's like, isn't Gino's fit into that scenario too, though, what you just said about Mac Jones where he could make a good team better, but not elevate a horrific team? Well, this is what I want to ask you guys about because I know people listening might think I'm insane

where it's like, mean Gino Smith, but here's the thing. We've just erased the last two, the previous two years of what Gino Smith did, I think. One year ago, Gino Smith, they, the Seahawks didn't make the playoffs, but they won 10 games last year. Gino Smith won 10 games a starter. He threw for 4,300 yards. And I don't know, it's, if Gino Smith went to the Vikings or the Colts and then just, I mean, it would certainly be less improbable than what Daniel Jones just did or Donald did the year

before that because I feel like a year from now we'd be sitting here and saying, oh yeah, right. Gino went to the Raiders for Pete Carroll, who was the oldest coach in NFL history, and then Pete Carroll's son was the quarterback's coach, and Pete Carroll's other son was the offensive line coach, and the offensive coordinator was Chip Kelly who hadn't coached in the NFL for 10 years,

and then that didn't work. And then there was all these reports that basically Pete Carroll was the one that was like making Chip Kelly do all this different stuff. Yeah. It was a total mess. So part of me does wonder, if you're the cult,

and you get in a bidding war because I feel like the Colton Vikings are in very similar spots here where a lot of people are going to want Mac Jones and I guess the question is someone's like hey maybe the Browns are like you know we're not going to be able to get Fernando Mendoza Dante Moore goes back to school so like the Jets get fucking Fernando Mendoza and the Browns are like oh man we don't want to reach for Ty Simpson or something

you know what we have two firsts we'll give you like a high second rounder for Mac Jones and then the Colts are like well we don't have a better first rounder the Vikings are like we don't want to do that and so Mac Jones is off the table, part of me thinks that Gino Smith would make a lot of sense on the cult of the Vikings. Okay. You know what?

You might be right. I think we're also in Matt Jones's first. My take on Gino is he's better than what he's looked like this year, but he's obviously not like a top tier starter. Yeah. I do think he'll get another chance. The only thing that's kind of holding me back on Gino is like his sort of, in hyphids, you talk about this all the time.

His on-field persona is really horrific. Like he's just constantly slamming his helmet. He's like, you know, just complaining all the time. Like his leadership, his body language is not good. He's competitive. And that's like worries me a little bit. Yeah, he's very competitive. And that's like that's generally been a plus.

But DK. Most of the other seasons. But this year it's like he feels like he's gone off the rails. Well, what are there two and ten? This goes to what you were saying. Like if he's on a competent team, that will change his brain chemistry in a way that, you know, like you said. Can I, It's better on a good team, even worse, that much worse on a bad team.

No, but yeah, my only point is I don't know how much teams will want him this off. Can I also push back on that for one moment, though? Because last night, you were very upset that Jalen Hertz was literally emotionless. I know. Like he had no emotions whatsoever. Very true. Would you rather have Judah Smith, who is angry that the Raiders suck? Or do you want him to show no emotions whatsoever?

Yeah, I want him to show emotion, actually. So that's a good point. I think it's just there's obviously a gray area. I like every time there's an incomplete pass. It cuts to Aaron Rogers just cussing out himself for a wide receiver. I enjoy that. I look forward to it. I was less saying it makes me upset and more just like,

I don't know how much teams are going to want to bring that in. But I think you're right, though. He is very, very competitive. And that's better than the alternative. So I want to go through a couple more guys. And then I want to stop down. And I actually want to sit here and try to rank these options that we would present here to the teams. Kirk Cousins, who is still playing for quarter of the last.

quarterback for the Falcons. This is a guy that I... Here's a guy. Here's a guy. Here's a guy. I think Kirk Cousins will be the week one starter for the Atlanta Falcons next year. Because as I dug into it,

I'm like, you know what? There's a year left, $45 million, basically, for Kirk. They can get that number down by doing accounting math. But I think the Falcons are in the same position as the Colts, kind of, where Michael Pennix with the ACL reconstruction,

they don't think Michael Pennix will be ready for week one. Part of me is like they have Kirk Cousins on the roster. No first round pick? They have no... Yes, the Falcons also gave up the first-run pick. And I'm like, I know.

Isn't that funny every time you remember that? You're like, oh, my God. You know, the Falcons' life, they could have just had a top 10 pick in this draft and maybe gotten a quarterback. And instead, I kind of think the Falcons, what are they going to do? Cut Kirk Cousins and have to acquire another quarterback? Are they going to trade Kirk and then trade for another quarterback and, like, just trade a lot?

I think Kirk stays on Atlanta and then just plays for them next year. How old is he? Kirk Cousins is 37 years old. He'll turn 38 going into next year. Yeah, he turns. 38 in August. I mean, he's looked better this year.

I think the Seahawks is a burn in the tape. I don't think you can judge anyone versus Seattle. I know, yeah. But he looks more vulnerable. To be honest with you,

I agree with you. Like, even though he did, his numbers were horrific against the Seahawks. I'm like, he looked more like capable than,

than I was expecting. And I think he'll, he probably has some left in the tank for next year. So does that mean you think I have to throw out the Brosmer tape against Seattle? Uh, sure.

No, that one, it belongs in a museum. Okay. Yeah. and send it to the hall thing. It's like next to Nathan Peterman. He had negative 1.5 fantasy points against Seattle, Max Berger.

That's almost that's Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hertz. Yeah. So I think we're all on the same page here. We're basically saying Rogers back to the Steelers probably. Kirk Cousins goes back to the Falcons, two of back to Miami. Bryce Young goes back to Carolina.

And so what we're looking at is basically we're looking at, you can trade probably a second round pick in a competitive market for Mac Jones. Yep. From the Niners. Which also takes out certain teams. And then you can try to trade like a fourth rounder or a third rounder, probably a fourth or a third for Kyler Murray to pay him like,

you'll have to pay him like 25 or 30 million. You could try to pay 25 million for one year to Gino Smith. So you can do Mac Jones, Kyler Murray, Gino Smith, or you could just sign Joe Flacko. Right. Yeah. I mean, Marcus Mariotta is a free agent.

Mario, yeah, no. Marioita. Marioita. Right, sorry. He's looked actually pretty decent. Maybe the elbow injury or what was it? Was it? It's a nerve issue in his elbow?

A nerve issue and it is throwing arm. He's had a bunch of stuff. But that's the one that he just was a better throwing. A nerve issue is throwing arm. He also just has always been a little bit of a Trevor Lawrence blockhead. I think Marioita has always had brain fart. But yeah, I mean, there's other players here, but I'm curious to you guys. I mean, there's Russell Wilson.

There's Jimmy Garoppel as a free agent. Mitchell Trubisky, Carson Wensoff, shoulder surgery, Derek Karf's shoulder surgery. But it gets bad fast, is the point. Somebody's got to bring Derek Carr back, I feel like. I feel like he's not done. I think Mac Jones can come back. Yeah, anyone can come back. I think Mack Jones is the clear number one.

I think number two is Gino Smith versus Kyler Murray. That's where I am too, Craig. And maybe number three is Marcus Marriota. D.K., would you rather have for the same price, Gino Smith for one year or Kyler Murray for one year on a good team, on the Colts? Oh. I think Gino. Gino somehow is more accomplished.

You're saying Gino Smith or Kyler Murray? Yeah, you have to give up whatever. A late round pick and pay him $25 million a year. Wait, you have to trade for Gino because he's on a two-year deal. Yeah, Gino's owed 26 million next year. Let's just for argument's sake say it's the same thing. You have a fourth rounder and you have to pay $26 million for Kyler or Gino. Yeah.

He's going to run a real offense with Gino. I would... Kyler Murray was just benched for Jacoby Bresset. And I think if we did this exact exercise last year, we wouldn't have even mentioned Jacobi Breset because he was so bad in New England. Like, Jacoby Breset was unplayable. And the fact that the Cardinals have... They didn't just bench him.

They banished Kyler-Rur. They're keeping him an injured reserve. rather than he's not even active. I think speaks volumes. I also think the fact that his teammates are okay with it is really the problem. Like, the truth is if Kyler Murray was beloved, they couldn't do what they're doing. They're benching him. Like the teammates feel they have a better chance to win the Jacoby Preset.

And also, everything else would suggest you go with Kyler Murray because he's not that old, even if he's the kind of skill set that ages really poorly. Kyler is at one point was so talented. You bet on talent. You bet on number one picks. All these picks around the league are flourishing in second situations. But I think the fact that we have to even ask about the leadership ability and whether teammates trust Kyler and Murray is a dealbreaker.

And I'd rather actually roll the dice on 35, 36-year-old Geno Smith than I just kind of, I don't know, maybe winning fixes all. And if Kyler and Mary came in, but the fact that he cannot play for the Arizona Cardinals is a huge red flag to me. I think I'd go with Kyler over Gina. I guess if it's one year. It's close for me. It's close for me.

As much as I don't like him or think he's a Super Bowl capable quarterback, I think, I don't know. If he's on a good team with Steichen, I would probably bet on Steichen to figure that out and build something for him that works. And if the roster's good and they can put together a couple wins, I don't know. The raw talent of Kyler using his legs, I think I would go with that than 36-year-old Geno. That probably is the right move. It's probably what I would do if I really had to make the choice, but I feel like it's a siren song. Yeah, you will win the, if you get Kyler to Minnesota,

you'll win the off season. But again, I know this sounds hypothetical. I do think the Cardinals will get rid of Kyler. Like they can't pay him $40 million to be the backup if they won't even have him be the backup on their active rosters right now. Well, the question is, is how much of his money are they going to have to eat and how low of a price tag are they going to offer to get rid of him? There's a $17 million bonus.

I think Arizona eats. just you're right. So they get a day two pick or a day, probably a third rounder. Maybe it's a fourth with a swap to make it, you know, maybe they take a third and they swap, say later to make it look like they got a better deal than they got.

But yeah, I mean, because if you go through here, I think let's just say the Jets are, let's say the Jets are Browns, one of them gets Mendoza. Let's say one of them trades for Mack Jones. And let's say the Raiders get like,

um, uh, Ty Simpson or something. Two of those three teams draft someone, one trades for Mac. Yeah. And then the Colts end up with Anthony Richardson's is the developmental guy.

Jones, they resigned $10 million of saying he rehabs. And then, yeah, maybe they get Kyler Murray. And then the, I think Joe Flacco makes sense, I think, with a team that will draft a quarterback. Like, if you get Fernando Mendoza,

you don't want to play your rookie quarterback immediately. I think Joe Flacco makes sense, ironically, to the Jets or Browns, one of the teams he's played for already. Like, I think Flacco back to the Jets in front of a rookie and they just sit here and watch Joe Flacco be a pro. That makes sense, right?

Instead of having to play for the Colts or Vikings. Yeah. How many times has a guy been signed by a team? Well, is it possible that Flacco is on the same team three different times in his career? He's been on Cleveland twice. Go look at Josh Johnson's career. I was going to say, if you meant resigning with the same team, I was going to tell you about Philip Rivers, a crazy thing that just happened.

I'm saying, has anyone done three, has Josh Johnson been on the same team three different times? Three times is a lot. That's a good question. Dude, Flacco was on the Jets for three years from 2020 to 2022. Yeah. I have no memory of that. That's the COVID. I barely remember him on the Broncos

That doesn't really read to me He was on the Broncos Get that Oh that was well that was when he was the worst of his career Was he couldn't beat out The Broncos Look at the quarterback room He couldn't be he lost

Who was the six round pick The Broncos ended up playing For like a year A couple years Oh God Didn't they try Paxton Lynch No the guy who beat out Trevor Simeon

Beat out Paxton fucking Lynch And Joe Flacco Joe Flack had a beard He looked really angry all the time What's funny about that Is Joe Lacko had five starts in that season. Dude, Joe Flacko was only 34 that Denver year.

And he was old, and we thought he was done, which tells you something about football. He went two and six. Drew Locke went four and one, and one and two as a start of that year. I don't remember any of that. He was, Flacko was only 10 years younger

than Philip Rivers right now when he was washed, when he was declared washed. That's what I'm saying. 44 is the new 34, Craig. Do you feel that way? Say 39. You just said you identify,

with Rogers quote that sometimes you just wake up feeling good or bad when you're in your 40s. It's true, man. Some days you don't feel sore. Some days you do. Yeah. And he plays football for a living. What do you do? I type a lot, you know, I talk. It's pretty much the same thing. Yeah. You've got a paper cut on your index finger. Yeah. You use your computer. Oh, my God. That's why I've got, uh, you know, the insurance that, if you get injured on the job, you know, if you break your finger, you can't type. What a sad and depressing offseason. It's the Mack Jones sweepstakes. Who's going to get Kyler Murray, Mendoza and Ty Simpson?

Like, what is this? It is sad. The 2027 draft is cucking the 2026 draft. It's all anyone's going to talk about. It's always the next draft. No, but this one is so much better. Every fucking year. DK's actually right, though.

That's always the narrative. Well, the year after is supposed to be insane. Because I believe everyone said the 26th draft was going to be awesome because it was like, Arch Manning and all these guys. And now it's like actually none of them, they're all going to go back, is Arch even good? Once you actually see these guys play,

things, opinions change. Yeah, but sometimes they're right though. Like sometimes, like sometimes. And then sometimes they're wrong. That's true.

That's the tricky part. This is like such a, this is so anecdotal, but I just always remember this. Like there was a moment in time. I very vividly remember people talking about Matt Barclay, like he was going to be the number one pick in the draft. And then.

Can you tell me where Matt Barkley went in the draft? It was like sixth round or something? That, yeah, he had a tough run out. I will say, though, I think you're right that everybody at some point when they start getting into like the, they hit the cliff of a given position. They're like, oh, no, next year. It's an easy way to keep your job by being like, well, we just need to wait one more year. Because that class is better. However, D.K., well, the given hit rate of any individual player, even quote unquote, unanimous players or generational players, the hit rate is like two thirds instead of.

50-50. However, I do think when people going into a draft say that this position class is good, that's usually correct, like way more often than you think. When people are saying the strength of this given class, the grouping, like when we say the quarterback class in 2024 is strong or the receiver class in 2024 is strong. It's usually the depth they're talking about. Yeah, but that's usually right. Now, it's hard to figure out which guys will be good. But generally speaking, I do actually think that people do actually gauge correctly the depth of giving classes sometimes. No, I agree with that. I think you're right.

Identifying like how many quote unquote like S tier position group players there are in each draft. If it's deep, they're usually right about that. That being said. Identifying this quarterback versus that quarterback, I feel like it's a true coin flip. I don't even think it's two thirds hit rate for generational players. I feel like it's one third. 50, 50. It's not high.

I mean, in that even if you, do you want to even go into like outcome of just whether the player was good or do you want to go into like outcomes of careers? Because you could look at like 2012 with Andrew Luck and Griffin. And it's like, do you count RJ3? Do you count Andrew Luck? He played fucking five seasons. I know. Yeah.

I mean, you kind of have to. Well, the other thing, it's what I was thinking about when you were saying, usually they're right when it's a really deep class or a great class. Like last year, last draft,

205 draft was considered, I think, by a lot of people, the best running back class in a generation or in 20 years or something like that. Like, do you think that's real? Do you think that's the truth? I think you do need a couple years to grade the graded draft. I think it's harder for rookie running backs to get on.

But like you're you're right. Like it's been underwhelming. Like I've been very underwhelmed. The last, look at the last 10 number one overall picks. Judevian Clowney, disappointment. James Winston, disappointment. Jared Giff. Good.

Miles Garrett. Fantastic. Best case scenario, Greg. Right. Baker Mayfield didn't work by the team that drafted him. Kyler Murray didn't work. Joe Burrell, great. Trevor Lawrence.

meet not i would say underwhelming trevon walker fine he's come along late price young underwhelming caleb williams tvd cam more tvd but like what do we like two guys and we were like absolutely that was the right pick it's wild miles garrett and joe burrow and is the list i think the list is still is it still true i think the only number one do you guys know the only number one pick in the 21st century that's won a super bowl eli yes are you guys now stafford has but even that is kind of the exception proves the rule not the stafford drafted him though. Yeah, he got traded from the team

that he asked for a trade because they were so bad on the Lions. Yeah. Can I leave? A lot of guys have Burroughs been. Goff has been. But yeah. Yeah.

So the draft is hard, guys. Well, it's also the nature of the first pick is can you turn around the worst team in the NFL in four years? Which is almost always fucking no. So anyway, so all that is to say we have, we're going to go through the whole offseason. DKs are draft expert here at the ringer and we're going to go through free agency the offseason combine draft and all that stuff.

And so we're going deeper into that and all the players. He loves a draft, man. This guy can't get enough of it. The, any other quarterbacks you guys want to talk about before we move on here? Davis Mills. How did we forget about fucking Davis Mills? He's going to be started somewhere. Yeah, the neck.

Big neck? The Texans probably won't trade him because they kind of need him. Will Howard? Yeah, Mills is under contract. That's why I left him off. It's like one of them like Domingo Ryan's gonna be like he went three and oh Yeah People like you talk about Tanner McKee

Because he's like just been nails in the preseason Can the Eagles trade Tanner McKee since you know I don't know I mean he might need a jailin hurts Jalen Hertz I think we've hit all the names we needed to hit Okay Okay All right Let's get Chris Ryan in here let's get to Chris Ryan and ask Chris Ryan if he would trade

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All right, we are now joined by Chris Ryan here at the ringer. And Chris, Eagles fan, when did you realize Jalen Hertz sucks? Danny, come on, dude. Sorry, sorry, I misspoke. When did you realize Nick Siriani was the most over? rated coach in NFL history. Good to see you. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. We're going to have nice holidays. Don't ever talk to me again. No, but like we're in a little bit of a dip, you know, and thank God. No one else in this division is capable of threatening our supremacy over it. So otherwise, like, I would probably be a lot more worried about the postseason. I'm excited for the postseason because I think it will be the great purifying rain that needs to come down on this

franchise and we'll figure out who's who and what's what after after like we get through the playoffs i am at my wits end hyphus for for real um the group chat civil war it's it's raging the hurts camp the nick camp the nobody camp is it tanner time it's just really it's so weird to have this happen not only after a super bowl but to be right back where we were the previous year where this kind of like it's just boom or bust and it's just this collapse or absolute glory and I don't really know how to how to handle it but last night was terrible last night sucked is is there a pro jalen hurts contingency still and if so what is their case uh Andy really likes him as a person that's the contingency contingent is is I I know people who think

this guy in the biggest games plays his best football he was better than Patrick Mahomes twice and that is like you cannot go away from somebody you wait your whole whole life to find a quarterback who takes you to two Super Bowls in three years and wins one of them and so that that's you just got to stick by your dude and that maybe there's just a problem with petulow the offensive coordinator maybe it's next system maybe there's stuff going on behind the scenes maybe AJ's a headache but I don't know I mean I watched I watched the game last I'm just take you through my weekend. We had, I'm a Liverpool fan.

They are absolutely detonating. The best player in the last, most recent era of Liverpool was just like, I'm done with this club, did that publicly. Liverpool, I think, were like winless in five or six games. That was cool. Sunday night, Sixers at home against the Lakers, lose to a LeBron HGH game. And then last night, three and a half hours of Eagles Chargers.

watching Justin Herbert continuously fall on his surgically repaired left hand and look more spry and mobile and obviously like a better passer than Jalen Hurts. So tough couple of days. Can I ask a question about Jalen Hertz and the people that are both pro or con for Jalen Hertz? What do you in particular think of the fact that he legitimately never shows any emotion? My buddy sent me a video yesterday. So there was the Monsters Inc version of the broadcast last night that was how it sounds. Like they converted the game into a Monsters Inc world.

And there was all these interstitials that the league put out. It was all geared towards children, young, impressionable, just want to live their lives and have fun children. And one of the questions was, did you believe in Monsters when you were a kid? And all these other players were like, yeah, I was like afraid of the dark. I was afraid of shadows. blah, blah, blah, blah, like telling all these funny stories. And Jalen Hertz goes, no, I wasn't afraid of monsters. I unsubscribe from Jalen's.

This was like, when he's winning, what do they, what's the line in Bull Durham where he's like, when you get to the majors, you can let fungus grow on your shower shoes and people will think you're idiosyncratic or something like that. But until then, you're a slob. It's like when Jalen's kicking ass and winning, his Yoda thing is like really funny and cool. and when we're losing, it's maddening. That's where I was last night. That was an under kind of reported part of the lead up to the Chargers game

was some Saquan stuff about like how bad the vibes are on the sideline and how he's like in the meetings and in the practice were like really supportive and really animated and we suck on the sidelines. Like we yeah. And I just think that's a top down thing. Like I don't like the fact that he is never walking around firing people up. Now if you watch the mic up, you see there are. more moments that they don't show on the broadcast.

He's in he's taking responsibility. He's firing people up. He's saying like, hey, we got to do this. We got to do that. But when you're just like watching the broadcast and he is staring into space, it's really tough, man. I'm like after his fourth pick to end the game, it zoomed in on his face. He's just like, just look at your tablet. Like pretend like you're studying something. Pretend like you're like, oh, I missed that. Yeah, just performative. I don't care. Do something performative. Yeah. The Eagles are so strange because on one hand, you're built to play. with the lead, like as a team, obviously, the offensive line when it's at full strength, obviously, Lane Johnson being out's hurt. But like, when you're a full offensive line, the

Sequin, the running game, the Tushbush, you're built to play with the lead. But there's also a strange element of the Eagles where there's almost like emotionally, the Eagles are built to dominate when they have the lead and winning, but they're not built to deal with adversity. Like, Nick Siriani is an amazing at coach and they all love this guy when they're winning, but seems unable to galvanize or fix when things are not going well. Jalen Hertz is not, like, there's a strange element here of they pull together faster when they're losing than other teams and they stick together stronger than other teams when they're winning yeah i'm i think that there's like the nature of these these seasons has not been beneficial to like my mental health or like being

able to fairly evaluate the team because the last two the two kind of let's call what's happening now like more or less a collapse and the previous one two years ago both came after a relatively successful beginning of the season. And so while if you were watching the games, I don't think anybody was like that. Eagles team is the Super Bowl favorite, and I'd pick them over any team anywhere. They still had the wins.

Like, they still had the record to support it. And then this sort of watch them kind of like careen off the road like this. It's a different kind of like, it's you're asking something different from Siriani that I think you do from like Ben Johnson, who's like, I'm piecing together. Like they're learning my system where, you know, know we're 500 we win some we lose some and then all of a sudden we go on a run you know and we look like we can play anybody that's like a much more manageable and understandable like arc of a season

this makes it seem like there is something wrong this makes it seem like you guys don't like each other or you're not listening to nick or jalen's like bailing out of plays or he's not calling like half the playbook or seriani just thinks if we don't lose the turnover battle we'll win the game and that's all I care about. And, you know, you just see things and you just get to the limits of what reporting can tell you. So like one of the things that's been driving Eagles fans, sorry for just ranting, but one of the things that's been driving Eagles fans really crazy this year is we routinely just snap the ball with one second left on the play clock. It just seems to take forever to get the play in, get the play called, get Jalen's protection set up. We're always

snapping on one second. There is no momentum to this offense whatsoever. There is no rhythm. But when you think about the up and coming dominant versions of these of these hurts eagles teams it's all rhythm it's all buzz saw run boss saw run big play because everybody's keying on the run and we just have none of that this season uh and it's it's just really hard to watch the thing that's saving it for me is the defense can we talk about a j brown for a second i think he's the most discussed player of the ringer fantasy football show this year he's he's been in and out of the burn book every other week do you like where are you at with him from an effort standpoint? Because he's had three straight 100-yard games.

They've lost every one of those. And yet there are moments where he still looks like the most dominant receiver in the league. There was a couple of plays last night. He caught like two balls in a row. He was like banging his chest. You're like, this guy can still dominate any cornerback. And then like half a quarter later,

he's like bailing on deep shots that looks like he could have caught. Yeah. And he also, there was over the play. over the middle that like was in his hands yeah and that you can see in the replay he's like clearly seeing a safety coming at him for sure and kind of like just and that happens it's a real bummer that his comments after the game last night we're like that's not all on jalen we got to help him out like that's a ball i can catch blah blah blah it's like yeah because they were spamming you dude like this this this really is as simple as like if you get targeted a bunch and you get your catches

and you get your numbers, you kind of, like, it didn't matter that we lost in an absolutely ridiculous fashion of the Chargers in a game that we definitely should have won against a one-handed quarterback. And when we won and he had three targets, it was all he talked about was like, oh, you know, like, here's my Instagram post about, like, when you don't look at the fish that swims by you, he swims into the ocean. And it's like, come on, man. Like, this is pretty obviously what's, it's pretty obvious what's going on here. I, it's funny because I feel like I do get this team in a way because I, I remind, they remind me when the Giants won the Super Bowl.

No one wanted to admit Eli Manning was good. So I understand as Eagles fans who were really mad that Jalen Hertz, people don't admit that he's good or whatever. They're like, what do you mean? He won the MVP like, or Super MVP. But. No, it's different though. Everything Eli did in those two Super Bowl runs was like pure raw Eli.

It was like, Eli was like the guy slipping out of sacks and making these incredible throws that were on the money, the Manning Camp. But like that was all Eli raw talent. I feel like Jalen Hertz is the opposite, where he looked very good and all that stuff. But a lot of the bad plays are like directly on Jalen Hertz. Like he cannot throw out of the pocket. He can't throw on the move. His athleticism seems to have gone away.

His arm doesn't work. Like to me, Eli was always like when Eli was going nuts and on these crazy runs and people tried to argue Eli's not actually good. When you watch those runs, Eli looks good. I don't think Jalen Hertz has looked good. Yeah, he's gone basically. Like, I mean, something has happened since the second Giants game. You know, like it's basically been a solid month of him looking quite poor.

Which they lost the second, the first Giants game they lost because he threw a pick. And then they came back in the second game. I will say this, to be devil's advocate in the true sense of the term, because I'm on record is, I think Philadelphia is just Sodom and Gamora. But to be devil's advocate, when the Eagles offensive line is healthier next year and Lane Johnson back, to be honest, I just think the issue is Nick Siriani is a baseball manager. He's not a football coach. Well, when they get their new coordinator next year, that Siriani doesn't hire.

That Roseman hires, yeah. I mean, I was having this conversation today where I was just like, if they collapse again, if they fully, like, they win like one more game this regular season or something like that. I just basically think it's like Super Bowl or out for Nick because I just don't know how many times you can go back and forth. Look, they're a really good team. They've been historically a really good team over the last couple of years, so your coordinator's going to get rated.

if they have a good coordinator he'll become a head coach if they have a bad coordinator they'll fire him every time we do that it's another time jalen hurts has to start over with another oc this is the plague of not having the play calling head coach play caller as your head coach who's just like it's and and the worst part about it is that seriani isn't like haribol so he's not like i'm open philosophically to whoever like bring in you know gregg roman or todd munkin or this person or you know a just to how like the personality he's like no i have an offensive system that is proven to work if it's run correctly it just needs to be run with an all-time generational offensive line that we had

you know and that we don't have right now bring beckton back brother one yeah you just have like first round tackles as your right guard and like suddenly it's super easy i feel like speaking of making playoffs we should pivot here to yes to fantasy the ringer fantasy like and i'm glad you know there's a good segue here because a lot of Philadelphia fans didn't have AJ Browns back this year. Unlike you, who had him, started him every week in the Ring or Fantasy League. He honestly brought you to the playoffs. I actually did bench him.

You know, I did bench him for a couple weeks. Like I was a, I think there was a buy somewhere. And then I also was like, let me give him a week to think about it. And week to think about the culture that we've built here at Brickhouse Tate. And think about the principles that I instill. I've been watching a lot of opening press conferences from the college football hires. I'm thinking about putting together like a, kind of acronym for what we believe in over Brickhouse Tate, like JCRP or something like that.

I mean, you're really the Siriani of this team because you didn't, you didn't bring in the coordinators. That was all Tate. Tate did all that for you. Yeah. And the next year when you have to draft your own team, that's really when we're going to see what you're made of. We'll see. Yeah. I mean, I think I've learned some lessons here, but I've, I've had time to develop my own schemes. And so maybe there will be some personnel changes this year. One thing I'll say is just I never spent any waiver money and I never made any trades. I was, I believed in my guys.

You didn't spend any waiver money? Well, I want to go for this. So let's let's talk about the reason why I'm on this podcast, which is one of the great pickups of the fantasy season was Drake may buy last week. I'm playing Bill. And I, and I decide to go and pick up Shadur before this Titans game. Yeah.

And start him along with Goff. And, and I always knew. I always believed. I was just a matter of Stefanski believing. And it paid off in huge dividends, 350 yards. It smoked bill. And look, it's just about your fuel for a guy.

Like you don't have to look at the numbers. You don't have to look at the tape. Right. It's just like, I think this guy is ready to perform for me. And he did. He shoots from the hip. Yeah.

Right there. Do you have a general review of the fantasy? When's last time you played fantasy football? Uh, several years ago, I think. Yeah. How's the year back been? How's the ringerly? What was your experience like this year?

Uh, I think it was like a long running television show that I would check in intermittently. It's like Abbott Elementary. I would come in for a couple weeks. Maybe I'd be like, oh, I missed a couple weeks. Have a few laughs. That's show won Emmy, so I'll take that. Yeah. And, uh, you know, I just think I, like, like you said, I didn't get a chance to draft my team.

So it's been a process of getting to know these guys of getting close to Drake. of getting, you know, like, like believing in Jemir Gibbs where nobody else did. Right. I guess I said, shout out to Tate. He did a great job. The most, the most made fun of pick was the Drake May pick, and he's been really good. And he kept, Tate did the Lord's work because he also kept Drake May from going to Bill. And so not, so Tate kind of started that and then you, you finished it by Naki Bill out of the

playoffs at the last second. And I refused to trade to wire to Bill after the third week. Oh, did he try to trade for him? Yeah, that was. I can't remember what the package was, but it was not, it was the not only through the Yahoo platform trade offer, but then frankly inappropriate. Cold heart cash.

Personal text message from Bill being like, can we do something here? He's like, hey, we'll do Sicario next week. And I think I actually said, like, let me think about it. And he was like, what's there to think about? And I was like, this conversation's over. And he's been like pretty nice to me, but not as nice as he's capable of him.

I know. I mean, he's out. I mean, you just bow. He bounced them from the playoffs. He bounced them for the playoffs. So we have to talk about that. So Chris, you made the playoffs.

So D.K. and I have the first run by. You're going to be playing. Sal. Yeah, you're playing Sal in the playoffs. And then House is going to be playing Mal. More importantly,

though, the loser's bracket is going to be, the people didn't make it. Craig, Bill, Van, and Sean. And so, one, Bill tried to weasel out

a last place bracket this morning by saying that I thought it was the regular season standings. When it's, you haven't played in years. It's obviously the toilet bowl. bracket is the last place bunch of the sider here. What I learned, I was,

I was talking with Sean and Chris the other day. And what I learned, Hyfitz, is that, that you're right. And the receipts are there from August, talking about what the rules are for the league. It turns out nobody read those text messages.

It was news to me when Craig was like, you're making the playoffs. That's one of them like, oh, happy for you or I'm sorry. I ain't reading all that. Bill should pull a Notre Dame, though.

He should be like, I'm not subjecting my guys to an extra week of football when there's nothing in it for us, you know? that's actually good Not helping the ratings You guys Sean Chris you and Sean

complained to me about these playoff rules which are a little bit odd on the surface but when you explain them I believe they make sense where we have the top four seeds make the playoffs

and then the two wild cards essentially are of the remaining six teams that aren't among the top four seats the best two the highest the two highest scoring teams of the remaining six

get to make the playoffs which to me and to all of us ensures that the best six teams actually make it and I have to imagine imagine now that you've slipped in, you've kind of changed your tune. Because I would be in the playoffs, if not for that rule.

That's not true. It didn't matter at all. Everyone has the same record. It's literally 5, 6, 7, 8, all finished 6 and 8. So Chris got in a tiebreaker. It actually completely was the same, no matter what. Oh, that's right. If Ladd-McConkie had scored five points last night, that would have changed. Yeah, that was impossible. Because I had Dicker and the Chargers defense last night, which complicated my viewing slightly. So I was just like, just a bit.

I was like, this is going to suck. You're like, how long's this kick? 55? That's five points. I do think that is the weirdest part of fantasy is I always felt like my real-life team superseded fantasy. And I haven't known how to unstick it with like the Giants are so bad that I'd rather my fantasy team win. But I do, even when teams are competitive, I actually kind of sometimes want my players going against the Giants to do well. Like, it actually complicates my real life rooting more than I ever would have thought.

Just want a high-scoring game. Chris, here's the real, here's the real important question we have for you, though. Losers bracket. So if Craig comes at last, he has to, you're going to do, I don't know if we're going to do no caffeine or matcha for Craig for a week or he has to drink straight coffee because he hates coffee. We'll figure that out.

The real question is, if Sean Fennacy comes in last place, we have to have him wear a headband on a pod and he cannot address it. And I want to know if you have any thoughts of what kind of headband Sean should wear on a podcast. And is it reasonable to demand that he wears the headband in a director interview show? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So like he has to wear like a headband. that says paramount while he interviews like Chloe Jowl. Yeah. No, David Ellison branded headband. David Ellison branded. Or like the traditional red like the handkerchief bandana thing across. I wore that in one of our old winner videos and it just you can't help it feel like

Dennis Hopper when you're doing it. I think it would change his podcast and style. Like prison mic in the office. You would have like a new personality. Yeah. Would you rather see that? or Bill have to wear a jersey of the winner's choosing on a pod. What jersey?

Sal keeps threatening a Pat McAfee jersey. I've heard even worse, which I won't reveal, but I've heard something that's worse than that. Really? Better, Craig. Better. I guess better, rather. Sal has an idea that I actually don't think Bill would do.

Bill would opt out. That's where he would pull the Notre Dame. I think Bill would just say all of us to be like, I'm not doing that. Yeah. I think what I want is for to humiliate Bill. That is that's Sean wearing a bandana. It's kind of like I would just feel bad and like especially if he was interviewing somebody really, really like serious.

The bill thing is endlessly hilarious. Craig, you're going to have to do the Lord's work. You're playing Bill this week in the in the toilet in the in the first week. I know. That's right. Maybe we need to collude. Trade me some of your good bench players so I can be able to this. Do you guys know, did I ever tell you guys the story about the time on the watch that I forgot to put on my nicotine patch in the morning?

So I've been using nicotine since I was like 20. So for like the better part of 30 years. And I've gone from gum to for a while I was, I mean, after cigarettes, but I went from gum and then I was wearing the patch for a while. So you just have to remember to slap it on when you wake up and then you just don't think about it for the rest of the day. But for some reason one time I forgot. And it was probably the longest I had gone without. nicotine for most of my adult life and like midway through a two p.m. watch recording i was kind of like to andy i was like do you ever stop talking

almost started crying so i just really like the idea of craig on macha but they have had three times in a week where it's already contentious i was going to say we already have like that moment once a week with Craig's sobbing in being like, I don't want to do this. That's really funny. Craig's going to be doing the rewatchables.

Bill's going to be like, what you think of this movie? And Craig's going to be like, I don't know. It's 20 years before I was born. I don't have a flex category on the legend of Billy Jean. I don't even have to me. Oh, my God. Man. That is amazing.

You guys happy with, oh, okay. So let me just to just get the expert opinion with the exception of how he fits relatively unbiased. Do you think this is flatline for Eagles or is there a is there a bounce back somewhere in here? This season? Yeah. No, I don't think I think I think if you consider a bounce back one playoff win then maybe but I think that's as far as this team goes. I think the offensive line and the inability to run the ball. I mean even last night you look at sayquant stat line and it looks good but it was because of the fake push push 60 yard touchdown outside of that they still couldn't run the ball. And I still just think the line issues

and the inability to run is the whole reason why the wheels have fallen off. So I kind of don't think it's possible. Yeah, I mean, I would agree. I think it just depends on what you say a bounce back. They're playing the Raiders this week. So Jalen Hurst is probably going to look better. And that will be a bounce back and the vibes will improve.

But I don't see this team as like a Super Bowl team again. What do you think? How many passes is Jalen Hertz going to throw against the Raiders? Like over under like 17 and a half. 14? I mean, you see, I mean, I, I, you guys wouldn't have seen it, but the Philadelphia Inquirer ran a column today being like, is it Tanner for time? Yes. I mean, that's incredible. Has Tanner ever missed? Is cooked? This season, I think you're cooked. I think the Eagles are fine next year. I do think the front office hires you better offense coordinator. And Siriani cannot run the offense. And Siriani, frankly, shouldn't be involved a ton in running the actual offense. But every year that Howard Roseman has hired the offensive coordinator, you guys have been unbelievable. So I think next year it will be fine. I think the Eagles of the Legion of Boom reincarnated.

right down to how Jalen Hertz plays and how all the rest of the team feels about Jalen Hertz. I think that you guys are the Legion of Boom minus the Super Bowl losing thing that implodes the team. And I think that, yeah, as long as Nick Serion is not running the offense, you'll be fine. Do you think AJ Brown's on the team next year? I doubt it. I doubt it. Because I think that would also be like, you know, this is, maybe he is entering his Stefan Diggs era, where it's just like I can be simpler for a couple of years.

But like, ultimately I burn out people around me. And I do wonder whether or not, like, you just have to make a decision that you're just going to kind of like soft reboot this team. Like I think Rosamond needs to draft some offensive linemen. I think it's just like, you know, you're probably like looking at like the back end of Sequons prime right now. So I think there needs to be some retooling. The only thing that gives me hope for this year is I'm just like not blown away by any football. Right. Like no football team in either conference is really like running away with it and is like, oh, you're just like,

There's no fucking way. We're going to beat the lions or the pack. I'm like, we can beat any of these teams. So it could be like one of those weird like ravens years where we're like, yeah, you didn't think we even made the playoffs. Look at where we are now, you know? Right. But that's like, that's, that's hanging on to some real, some real copium right there.

It used to happen more. Both Giants years, it was weird. The Ravens year it was weird and the Saints year it was weird. You know, it doesn't happen a lot. And then it's like happens four times in seven years. So it does happen. But yeah. Okay, Chris, thank you for.

coming on. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for and thanks for supporting my fantasy football management style. You know, I know that some more hostile leagues might be like, Chris, wake up. It's time to make your make your picks here. But we trust the process here at the Rear Fantasy Football Show. Yeah. Good luck. Then we're going to have you on. Good luck these playoffs. I don't know who I want to win. I don't want high fits or decay to win. So I guess I am rooting for Chris. Why don't you want us to win? Wouldn't it look good for your podcast? No, I don't. Fuck that. You already off the macho like one day. wants us to lose.

I want high-fids his team to crash and burn. I don't know if I could deal with him gloating the entire off season. I can't do that. Thank you, Chris. Thanks for having me, guys. All right. Fantasy court.

Time for Fantasy court, baby. Quarters in session. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing. I don't really want to be handcuffed. The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched. Craig, when you're reading that, when you watch the video,

you're like, hmm, I don't know what that means. I kind of like, my head at the end, like, hmm, consider that. So this court case is from Tim from Ireland. Oh, T-bone. T-bone. I don't know if we had jurisdiction, but Tim writes, so his breakfast is mixed berry and yogurt smoothie with an English muffin and butter. We're like the hague. We can do all kinds of

international stuff, right? And our power is mostly symbolic as well. Also, Irish butter is incredible. Anyway, so this is a perfect fantasy court. I put this I read this before the Monday Night Football and it's aged hilariously. Tim's case, which I will truncate. Tim basically writes, I cannot qualify for the playoffs anymore. However, I can bench Jalen Hertz before Monday to football, which would throw at my match and essentially keep this guy I hate out of the playoffs.

And he beat me, he eliminated. It's like this guy joined their league four years ago. This guy won the league three of the last four years and it's eliminated this guy. Tim, every season has been eliminated by this guy. And he's like, if I benched Jail Ler Ler Lerick. I can keep this guy out of the playoffs. And I keep this fantasy court because I think one, is that allowed? And two, how funny is it that Jalen Hertz basically didn't matter if he played or not in this guy's lineup?

I think that's really funny. 0.4. Yeah, Jalen Hertz and his one point, which obviously did make a difference. However, I wanted to ask you guys about generally, how do you feel, yeah, just is it, is it in the name, is it, I mean, it's not collusion or anything. But basically, it's like, it's your last shot. You're like, I have no agency left. Can I bench a guy going to Monday to football And it keeps up

Can you decide a playoff spot And just be like, fuck it No It's pretty funny though It is funny It's pretty funny Because this guy had no shot of making the playoffs Anyway, right?

He was eliminated A whole convoluted But he was eliminated earlier in the day On Sunday So he was like the only thing he has left Is do I play Hertz? Here's what I'll say Can you bench him

And start no one in his place? No. However, if you had a different quarterback on your roster Could you have played that guy over her? So what is he gets the app, Trey Lance and Cut Hurts? Like, come on. Well, no, not Trey Lance.

No, you have to play somebody who's starting. Right. Okay, but it's one-ended football, so that wasn't an option for him. Well, if he prepared an event. Yeah, what if he had another quarterback on his roster? I'm telling you he did not because, okay. Then no, I think you have to play hurts. And you have to in good faith start.

Because that's just straight up, like, it's not collusion, but it's just, you know. It's funny, though. Deliberately. Yeah. sabotage. Yeah. Can you deliberately sabotage your friends? That's exactly what I'm asking you.

No. It's the rule of cool. DK is like some things should be cool. Like, so it counts. It's like some things are funny enough. I don't think you can do that. I don't think so.

All right. Funny, but you can't do it. Okay. But the question is, did he started number one? And did scoring point four points knock his buddy? He said,

I'm benching him, but we'll go with your decision. And what's funny is it doesn't matter. matter. Right. Because there's no way her still didn't make the playoffs. So he knocked the guy out. That's great. Because he was probably like down eight or something and he was like, oh, Jalen Hurst is probably going to score more than eight. Yeah. We got so many emails about, shout out to, I mean, Josiah and Becca and Matthew and actually another Rebecca, which is weird. There were two different Breckas who just had, everyone has their story of the

specifics. My favorite of which is someone had Hertz and Jake Elliott just needing to outscore Cameron Dicker and actually very briefly did and then Jill and Hurts threw a pick and then came and then did it. But there's just so many stories of Gieland Hertz's last pick at the end, costing people, which I find hilarious. Brutal. Just a brutal night of fantasy. Incredible.

Okay. Or great if you were on the winning end of it. That's all we, yeah, a lot of people happy to. All right. That's all we got for fantasy court because I, there was actually more stories like that. Someone had Ladd-McConkie. They're like, do I bench Ladd-McConkey?

And, you know. Yeah, you know, DK? We didn't actually hit on that yesterday. I've kind of been pissed at Ladd-McConkey all season, and you've been a defender of him. He fucking ruined my life last night. Was it him or was it just like, you know, the charge was losing a nether tackle?

He had like a 75% pressure rate. I mean, McCongy was targeted a lot and never had a shot to catch the ball, not because the throw was bad, but he was just like never in position. He was being blanketed. Cooper DeGine was crazy. Cooper DeGine was all over his ass.

Will Compton has made all those jokes about, you know, if we had to feel like a white football team, who would the players be? And I got to tell you, Cooper DeGine and Ladd-McConkey, that was quite the showing for the white team. You know what I don't know if I'm picking Ladd-McConkey. I know that.

Dude, Cooper DeGine's just awesome. Okay. Well, Ladd couldn't do a damn thing. Okay. You want to do a couple emails and get out of here? I'm sorry for defending Lab this year, Craig. Craig, take it back. You actually mean this, don't you?

You love Lad. Who are you? I thought I liked Lad, and now I'm like, maybe he is just a mediocre slot receiver. I don't know. Chris fucking nailed this. He's going to be a nightmare without that. the macha. He's going to be a fucking nightmare without the matcha. I'm telling it right now. He's turning on Ladd McConkey. He'll turn on me in two seconds. I don't know. Now, if Keenan Allen's

gone next year, I'm sure Ladd is going to be a great bylaw and it'll all work out and I have to get over it. It's a little bit like Jalen Waddle. We need to do a tattoo of don't overreact when when Joe All and Slater are back. It's you're going to be selling. Oh yeah. I'm already writing down that I think Herbert is going to be like the single best quarterback you can draft in 2020. It's going to be something. It's always something with the Chargers. It'll be something else next year. That's the wiser answer. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's a man who's lived the life. Uh, that's, uh, one email I wanted to read here I thought was so funny was, uh, this is from Matthew.

M-Bone. Matt. Matt says, so I, I told the story about when I was playing high school football and the referee didn't, our running back ran into the end zone score touchdown. The ref ruled that it wasn't a touchdown because the guy ran into the end zone. The ball didn't cross the fucking pylon correctly. Mm-hmm. So Matthew wrote,

it's your high school football referee story resonated with me so much, it actually dredged up a memory I had forgotten for decades. And Matthew writes, in middle school flag football 20 years ago, I was playing linebacker and the quarter ends. And the referee, knowing that teams switch sides between each quarter, but not knowing the full rule, just switched our teams. He just flipped the sides of the ball. Like he just flipped what side of the ball we're on. So the opposing team who had not been able to get any yards went from their own 15 yard line to now at our 15 yard line because the ref didn't know to walk the ball down to the other end of the field so he just had them switch sides and he put them at the 15 yard line and I'm 13 and I'm screaming at the

ref but this ref was 17 insists that he was correct and then the team scored he's like it's too much worked why don't I just we'll just talk about over there go all the way down I I thought that was amazing. I've never heard that before. It's kind of brilliant. I love that. I want more stories like that. Email stories of referees just doing their best, but also kind of terrible.

Because I think the worst level of like the parents at Little League who are chirping referees for their eight-year-old kids because the refs are like 14. And I'm like, can you calm, that scream it. It's a 14-year-old lump. However, sometimes those 14-year-old lumps pretty bad strikes are not very good at it. I don't know what you're talking about. Tough. D.K., could you see yourself kind of heckling a 14-year-old ump? in a little league game in a couple years?

No. No. You say that now. You say that now. When Calvin goes down swinging, come on, Blue. That is Jackie's favorite thing when we're at,

we're at a game. She's like, Who's paying your ref? Calvin goes down looking in the ninth. You're going to freak out. That's bullshit, Blue. Put your head out of your ass. It's so good.

16-year-old kid. Yeah, he didn't pay, like $25 to do this. Speaking of baseball and paying people, before we went on, the Dodgers just signed Edwin Diaz the closer to $69 million. And Craig, who decided in the middle of the playoffs this year to be a Dodgers fan, I think the funniest thing ever is Craig being like digesting MLB News as a new Dodgers fan. Yeah.

He's like, oh, the best. I'm like, oh, this is great. Wait, I think he's like the best one in the league, right? That's cool. Sweet. Why didn't your team do that? What is 69 million a lot? Whatever baseball whatever it's chump change does your guys pitcher also hit 50 home runs or is that just us

This is really fun This is way better than your age picture also hit How many bases did he still do you still a lot of bases too? How come your guys didn't do that This is way more fun than my team playing in a AAA stadium. I'm having fun This is cool Craig it's not your team anymore Anyway, yeah, Edwin Diaz, let's do it Why not?

Sure Keep adding more people, baby Fucking Dodgers Fuck a salary cap I think Edwin Diaz Wasn't he a Mariner at one point? Yeah, you traded Jared Kellanick Or you got the Mariners got Jared Kellanick for Edwin Diaz

How did that work out? Diaz was better But then he broke his leg Celebrating the World Baseball Classic Like literally just one of them jumping up and down broke his broke his leg Right before the season began So

Edwin Diaz is the guy that has the cool walkout music Yeah Got market corrected by Duran's trip But yeah the Diaz The Dias intro Can we go to a Dodgers game this year Craig When we're in L.A Let's do this

We should do a power hour of Of Think like rule changes for football that we need One of them is we got to find a way for like closer intros are just unbelievable and we need to figure out a way to get like intros for football better

What if we had like kicker walkout music for like game tying or game winning kicks at the end of game? Exactly. Imagine Brandon Aubrey. Like pyrotechnics go down He's got to come out of the tunnel. Yes! The kickers have to be in the tunnel.

Yes, like the relievers and they jog out. It's like a WBE entrance. Yeah, he has a robe on like rocky. Yeah. It's got like a flag drink. Yeah, it says the thicker kicker on the back of his robe. It's got like a big pig on it or something and he's running out. It's like that's what the Savannah bananas would do if it was football.

Email us ideas like that. I want ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. They got to kick it from, they got to wear stilts. Yeah. Email us things the Savannah bananas should do for football. We're going to fix football. We're going to fix the NFL. We're going to fix the most popular and fastest growing sport on earth.

Yes. Sorry, in America, in America. Yeah. Yeah. And then for baseball, I'm going to actually be like the most like uninvested and yet pleasantly surprised Dodger fan where I'm just going to be like, oh, this Diaz guy. I hear he's good. Cool. Everyone else is like, you're ruining baseball.

Man, it's ruining baseball. He's ruining golf. Kick him off the tour. I literally did a, wait, what am I? Just stuffing my face with all stars, not even caring. I did a. Wait, your team, your team doesn't have a bunch of MVPs. Dodger's going to trade for Hunter Green.

You're like, is he good? I'm like, yeah, he's 26 throws 104. Like, oh, cool, cool. That's sick. We'll see if we can mix him in. We'll see if we can mix him in the 8th. He's not guaranteed playing time. He's going to earn it, just like everyone else.

Just like all our other MVPs. Yeah, you know, I never realized that, you know, it's really easy to change teams. Just do it. This is, I got to tell you, it feels phenomenal. You know what? I like the A's, now I like the Dodgers. That's easy.

That was so easy. So, wait, we've never talked about this, but I have decided I. There's no application. I just say it and it's real. But that's the thing. I think that this is how sports fandom should be. I buy a hat. I think being a fair weather fan is probably the smartest way to be a sports fan.

Yeah. Just being connected to these like legacy horrible teams like the Jets or the Browns because you're like, you know many Jets fans are just like, well, my dad was a Jets fan. And like, you know why he became a Jets fan? because Joe Namath was cool and won a Super Bowl and fucked Supermodels and like was drinking all the time and he was sick and then like they rooted for him because he was good

like you should do what you just did where you rooted for the A's and you're like fuck this team you know who's cool? The Dodgers are cool. Yeah. Just be a fair weather fan. It's fine. What's a big deal? DK., you're nodding but this is what you just did. I'm not saying you can root for whoever but you live in L.A. Craig. Like DK., like the manners suck for 15 years.

You took a little time off. Cal Raleigh has a big ass and it's 65 home runs. like, I'm in. That's how it should be. Fairweather fan is a little different than what Craig did, but true. Well, yeah, Craig did decide. It wasn't even the middle of the Dodgers season. In middle of the Dodgers playoffs, he was like, you know what?

He's like, I'm in. They're really good. They could win the World Series. Yeah. Otani, like 54. Otting. Otani, the best game any baseball players ever had in the NLDS. And Craig's like, I think I know what side I'm on.

I like this guy. I was mad about that. Oh, because he's still Cal Raleigh's Thunder. That's the funniest thing that's developed the whole year. The best takes, the most uninjited people said all year. Second is D.K. saying, I'm so annoyed at Otani. And then the other one was Carlos being like, I hate the moments of Zen on YouTube TV. I'd rather see commercials.

That was a good take. Than moments of Zen. I can't wait to get in some impassioned argument defending the Dodgers to somebody in like two weeks at a holiday party after having been a fake fan for three weeks. I say it's going to be awesome. She's like, yeah, what do they even need a salary cap? You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about about Tay Oscar Hernandez, all right? You have no idea. Do you know how important he was to us in August?

You don't know shit. Another former mariner. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you. Everyone. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Krellas.

Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Chris Ryan for coming on the show. Thank you to everyone in the Ring of Fantasy Football League. Make God of mercy in your souls. Yeah, and we'll add the Discord in the episode. episode description here and email us if you wanted to. But yeah, we, people were into that. So we'll do that. So yeah, we'll put that in the episode description. And yeah, thank you,

Lord. Lauren. Thank you, Juicy J. Nice. Okay. We're back. I think I was O for my last 13. You know some juicy J. You celebrate the man's entire catalog. Yeah. I mean, better than what was the, yeah, I, I do know JCJ. Uh, my target audience is not necessarily you, Hyphitz. I, I know. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying for myself. White millennials who like rap? And EDI. I had Olivia Rodriguez.

And EDM. And FLUM in my in my top five. Flume. The is that the. Oh, I should do two bands. Spotify's payroll app. What is that? Headlining, festival DJ or app that we use at Spotify is.

Oh, that's, I mean. Jamf. DJ or? Yeah. Jamp. DJ sound more like workplace platforms than. any other. That's actually so true. I kind of want to look up like flume opening act and just look at what these fucking

DJ are called. Yeah, dude. Juicy J's been on a lot of stuff, guys. I mean, bands and make her dance is iconic. And isn't it, it's not bands to make her dance. Bands a maker dance. Bands a maker dance. Yeah. But there's no, I'm looking it up now.

There's no dashes. I feel like it'd make more sense if it was like bands dash a dash make. But it's not. It's bands, A, make her dance. Have you guys ever actually been around that much like cash? Like, have you actually seen like, what's the most cash you've ever seen? Oh, wow. Not much.

Like, how much did we win when we were in New Orleans? That was a lot. We won like 50. Well, actually, we shouldn't say. I think I've only seen like a couple grand in an envelope or something. Did I tell you? I had a crazy experience. No one uses cash these days.

Well, I had a crazy experience in the airport. So I took the trip. I went to France and. Europe over the summer and we had a layover I'm not forgetting what year this was maybe it was a year ago and we had a layover in Cairo and just getting back to America and in the Cairo airport

in the duty free section I was trying to buy like Cuban cigars or something and the guy I had to me in line I had to wait 40 minutes to do this because the guy had me in line you know you can only bring $10,000 through an airport right this guy had 99,900 in cash mint bills and was buying cigarettes because the taxes and so they clearly just selling

on tag and so I didn't know this but they had they have a level like like the random store so they there were four levels of management in the store just guys in suits and I have to sit there and watch them count manually in front of three different people count in like 20s $999.000. Wow. And they had to do it twice. That could actually like fill a suitcase probably and look like a movie suitcase full of money. Yes, it did. It was really weird. Also, obviously, who buys $10,000 for cigarettes?

Obviously, it was weird. It was funny. It was a lot of money. Why did he choose cigarettes? Because cigarettes are taxed. I think they're buying the untaxed ones at duty free, and then they're going to sell the cigarettes. Right.

For a tidy profit. For a profit, yes. Anyway. That's funny. Yeah, I mean, anything in 20s, singles did, 10 grand and singles? you look like a millionaire. Dude, that's the best joke. The best joke in Dodgeball.

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