The Ringer NFL Show - QB Anthony Richardson’s Legendary Combine and Elite Potential

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

Today, the guys open with a brief discussion of Derek Carr and the New Orleans Saints reportedly agreeing to a four-year contract (1:25). Next, they break down Florida QB Anthony Richardson’s historic outing, Alabama QB Bryce Young’s official measurements, and other winners and losers from this year’s NFL combine (4:48). Finally, they close with America’s favorite segment: Two Jargons, One Lie (49:43). Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Check out our 2023 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Watch out for mouth tendrils and follow along on. Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. The film draft show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly, Ben Sleck, and Craig Horlebeck. The NFL Combine is over. We're coming here on the ringer NFL draft show between now and the NFL draft, obviously. It's in late April.

And today we're giving out awards because the NFL Combine is over, which won kind of a celebration for me personally. I just love winning the Combine. But also, yeah, we're just going to give out awards. And honestly, super rude. Derek Carr decided to just be like, you know what? I'm going to just sign with the team.

allegedly, reportedly, and take out the wind from the sales of our pre-combine episode. So we're going to talk about Derek Carr, and then we're going to get to all the combine stuff. All right, so Derek Carr, according to Ian Rappap, the NFL Network, has signed with the New Orleans Saints for a four-year deal for $150 million. That seems fake. So does the $100 million in total guarantees. The $70 million, effectively fully guaranteed, that actually seems real. So basically, Saints are paying Derek Carr $70 million over two, two or three years, something like that. That's a lot.

That's like $35, $38 million. So, wow. That's really weird. So I guess, do we care about Derrick Carr? Do we? Chris Olavé, I think, cares. I like to get really angry about the Saints three to four times a year. Just kind of like a quarterly thing I do.

You know what I'm saying? Like, change the oil in your car. Quarterly. Scream about Mickey Loomis. Like, ah. And that's a, that's, this is a good. good opportunity where it's just like, hey, congrats. You might go 10 and 7 and win the division so long as 38-year-old Cam Jordan keeps on cooking.

Like, I don't know what we're doing here. The Saints have not drafted a quarterback in the first round. I, since 1971, can you name that quarterback? Archie Manning. I saw it. Yes. Archie Manning. Archie Manning's sons have retired.

Archie Manning's grandchild is like almost going to go in the first round. Wow. That's context right there. How can you be doing this? How is this a way to manage a team? This is unbelievable. There's just like we're going to be as consistently mediocre to above average as possible with an occasional spike of like maybe greatness.

And like sure if you want to go like, oh, Jalen Hurd's and Dak Prescott, the only other good quarterbacks in the NFC, we have a chance. Like I guess so. But it's just not worth it. We're back in 2024 having the exact same freaking conversations. It'll be great, though, because then they'll draft Arch Manning, and their philosophy will be every 50 years or show. We draft a manning.

And it works in the first round. Every 50 years. It skips a generation. It skips a generation. It's like Haley's comet. That's just, yeah, whatever it comes around. I have nothing to add to that. Well done, Ben.

I think you capture a lot of our feelings there. I put on a hoodie before this show, and I knew if I started yelling about Derek Carr, I get hot and sweaty. And now I already am. From Vegas to New Orleans. The man loves to party, Derek Carr. Wow, yeah. That's kind of like a contrast to who he is personally, I feel like, too.

I think so. He's just like, man, you all got some real nightlife on this bourbon street. What's going on over there? Yeah, delusional team, delusional quarterback. It's really good. Also, I feel like Derek Carr going, you know, Jets said Derek Carr would be a Hall of Fame quarterback. Can't believe they let him out of the building. Wow.

You know, it's tough. So Saints get a Hall of Fame quarterback. Jets, maybe they can land. Plan B, their other Hall of Fame guy, Aaron Rogers. We'll go over all that. This probably does mean the odds of Aaron Rogers to the Jets increase. We'll see. We're going to get a bunch of recording this Monday afternoon.

We're going to get a lot of Daniel Jones and the Giants and Saquan Barkley News, Lamar Jackson, the Ravens News, tomorrow afternoon, Tuesday. So we'll do a whole quarterback, you know, landscape extravagance. We'll do all on that, I guess, Wednesday morning. So we'll hit the Rogers stuff more. But yeah, Derek Carr, Saints, you know, Yeah, we'll just see Derek Carr at Patty O'Brien's, I guess.

Sure. Hitting the hurricanes or whatever. All right. Let's get to the Combine winners, losers, awards, all that jazz. DK. Need to, toot, we're going toot your horn. You said on our last week when we were at the Combine, before all the quarterbacks tested, before all the players tested,

the person who would be the star of the weekend would be Anthony Richardson, the quarterback out of Florida. And you were exactly right. So would you like to, toot your own horn? Toot, Toot it. Go me. I feel great. Anthony Richardson, basically the most athletic quarterback in Combine history, maybe ever.

He weighed in 244 pounds, big fella. And seeing him at the podium, too, is like really impressive. Like, he's just a huge guy, especially, and we said this on the show before, especially when you're, like, standing next to Bryce Young and whoever, like, literally anybody. He stands next to him except for maybe, like, Darnell, Washington. He looks huge. And he came out and absolutely just destroyed the Combine 4-4-340, which is third fastest in Combine. history at quarterback.

1.5 to 10 yards split, so he's very explosive out of the blocks. That's third most, the third best in Combine history. 40 inch, 40 inch, vert, yes. Yeah. For quarterback. So like, he put up all time quarterback numbers almost in 40 and then a 10 yard split, but then he put, he posted the number one numbers in

vertical jump, which is 40 and a half and broad jump, which is 10.9. So extremely explosive dude, seeing him run the 40, like he just looks different. Like he, like, 244 pounds, he ran a 4-4-3. Like, that is absurd. That's more athletic than Cam Newton. And you know what?

He didn't even run straight. If you watched it, he was very much. Yeah. He lost time. I saw somebody post this on Twitter and I was like, this is so right. He is the LeBron of football. Like, he is just at a different level, athletically and size-wise than anybody else.

I don't love that, actually, because, like, LeBron was so clearly the number one, so clearly talented beyond talent, right? Like, in terms of like physical tools, I mean, yeah. That's what I mean, like physical attributes. Yeah. The one thing that, yeah, seeing them in person,

seeing the move and seeing them throw, the one thing that stood out with Richard Seum was how broad he was, right? Like, like, 244. He's a big guy, but he's, he's wide. He's got like, wide hips, wide shoulders. When you watch him play, he's got such great contact balance.

Like Utah defense vans are just falling off this guy. The Utah film will live with me forever. We're just like free rushers are just bouncing off him. Like, how does the guy that plays quarterback at this level of contact balance. And then you see him in person with no pads on. He's just so rocked up. He's so well.

Like, oh, this makes sense. It's a defense event hitting a defense band. It's just the Florida defense event turns out can throw and run and do all this stuff. Yeah. So I had the same impression being there in person. Because Bryce Young went to the podium and then like half an hour later the same podium, Anthony Richardson was there. And I literally remember thinking if they were Russian nesting dolls,

Bryce Young could fit inside of Anthony. Like, seamlessly. He's so, like, I can't. I know it's obvious that the guy's bigger. I can't actually emphasize how much bigger. It reminded me all. He's also, his voice is, Anthony Richardson's voice is like butter.

It's so deep. He could be a radio announcer tomorrow. Get him on with Rosilla now. Actually, he has, he does. And then also, remember that's seen in Bad Boys too when the kid comes to pick up

Martin Lawrence's daughter? Yeah. And he's like, who are you? And he's like, I'm here, you know, to pick up your daughter. He's like, Reggie, how old are he? He was like, 15. He's like, you look 30.

Like Anthony Richardson, the idea that this is like, He was like, the young quarterback is ridiculous. He also threw the ball well. So how did he look throw in at the combine on Saturday? That seems important. Yeah. I will say he threw it well. Velocity was notable, right?

He threw clearly faster than Stroud and in the group in which he was. Levis hopped up to the combine, or to the podium of the combine, and he was like, I got a cannon. And I'm going to show it off. And then he was like guiding all of his throws in. Compete, son. He didn't let loose. Yeah.

Yeah, Richardson was ripping it. I will say Richardson's legs went by the end of the day, which is the trouble that you run when you do all the drills and then you go to throw. Richardson, like, jumped, and then he jumped again, and then he jumped again, and then he ran into 40, and he's doing a lot of stuff. And then when you throw,

you're throwing three balls in 15 seconds, right? Which think about, like, being a quarterback. You don't do that. You don't throw that many passes, not short of a time. And so by the end of the drills, you could tell his legs were going a little bit, and that was hurting his throne versus, like, C.J. Shroud, who, holy smokes, man. C.J. Trout was walking down the field,

hand in football to cats. Oh, man, Stroud was something to see. But I won't say that, like, if you're sitting there and going, oh, I'm really worried about Richardson's accuracy, nothing that he did at the combine was like, see, that's what I'm talking about. Like, oh, what to miss? He doesn't know what he's doing. No, he threw the ball.

Like, every other quarterback did he threw the ball with quality accuracy and then with with high velocity, which is what you expect from him. And so, like, a good day throwing for Richardson for sure. I feel like, you mentioned Stroud. I feel like he was one of the other winners, like his press, like he threw, he he said at his press conference, I thought he walked the line. being confident but not cocky, extraordinarily well in that

he was actually, speaking of horn-tooting, he said, I'm not trying to shoot my own horn, but I throw guys open. And then as you said, just looked different than most of the other guys

in terms of like throwing the ball, putting it on their shoulder. Stroud gave me some Jalen Hertz vibes when he was talking and when he was, when he was just handling his business, just in terms of like when Hertz talks and you go like, oh, yeah,

I'd go to war with that guy. Like that's the sense of, unflappability, right? The sense of poise, sense of confidence that being cocky, right? Earned confidence you get with Strout. Stroud is a sort of guy who, like, when he walks into the combine, you go, okay, well, it's tough for him to win, right? Richardson's going to test so much better.

Levis is going to test better. Levis came in with good frame, you know, good athleticism, whatever. It's just not Stroud's game. And then it's thrown on air. So, like, who really cares? Like, when Stroud started throwing, I was like, I don't care. He's obviously he's going to be accurate. He's throwing, there's no corners.

Like, I don't care. don't care, don't care about this. And by the infant thrown, I was like, I care a lot. I care a lot. Six to midnight. First of all, I'll say, silly.

I just ignore that comment. Sure. I'm just steemrolled. The first thing I'll say is this. The ball came off Stroud's hand faster and quicker than I thought it would. He's got, in my opinion, an arm that is like,

it's not elite, but it is remarkably above average. Like, if you made me a big one to each Stroud's arm and Bryce Young's arm, like Young does some creative stuff, but I think Stroud is a better arm. People don't talk about that enough. So arm looks great.

And then just, I mean, seven routes, some four, six receiver. He's never thrown it to. It was so effortless. He never made a receiver. Hesitate, stop, adjust. I mean, he just is something to see throwing the football.

Stroud is, again, like I've said this before. This was 2007. Stroud would be wide receiver, a quarterback one with a bullet, no question, not a conversation. And because we've entered this era of mobile quarterbacks, you have to start wondering what's the ceiling, what's the floor, what if he gets banged up, can he protect himself like all of this conversation?

But it just in terms of pure quarterbacking, right? You ever see the James Acaster comedy skater? He's like pure copping, just pure copping. If it's pure quarterbacking, C.J. Strauss is the guy. And it's the mobility and the margin you have to ask questions about. Ben, you said, like looking at the way he threw at the combine, when's the last time you saw somebody throw that way? You make it sound like you haven't seen somebody hit a receiver like that in 10 years.

Is that like what Trevor Lawrence did. Did Kenny Pickett do that? Like, is this something that you see every combine by one quarterback? Or is rare? I would say you often see quarterbacks look really good. I would say like, like, DJ tweeted out during the combine. And it was like, it was cool. It was cool because like I tweeted like, man, Strouds throwing the ball really well.

And like two minutes later, DJ was like, yo, Strouds throwing the ball really well. And I was like, I got you. Open the booth, baby. Me and you were dialed in. But DJ, like, DJ tweeted out like this is one of the best starting sessions we've seen. Like we often see guys who are accurate look really good. that's why it's like, don't care about this. Like, don't get swept up in this.

But it was just hard not to because Stroud looked like as, as as polished, as professional, as as as beautiful as a throw as you'll find. And leaving college entering the NFL. He's tempting, man. He really is. This is what I was talking about before we went to the combine last week. We're all human beings. And when we see these guys, you know, in real life and you talk to them.

Just nods. Yes, yes, we are human beings. I mean, like, I know that it matters. Like, it does matter. Like, we have these biases and herring biases when we meet people. Like, I would agree with the C. Strowd, like he was very impressive at the podium, like very businesslike. I could see a GM or coach being like, this is the kind of guy who's going to run our team and be like the general,

the field general. That's why Jalen Hertz, I thought was a great comp because Jalen Hertz is just like super serious. I don't know if I saw C.J. Stroud smile the entire time. He probably did, but he was all business. And so when it comes to guys that you want to trust to like, here, here's my job. Like if you fuck this up, I'm getting fired. Like in terms of like making that decision, I could see Stroud, really, really impressing people, and I think he's going to be the first pick. Like, I'm doing my post-combine mock. I think Stroud is going to end up being the first pick,

even though Anthony Richardson is like the star, the superstar of it. I think Stroud was very, very impressive. When I entered the season, I entered it with Stroud as my QB1. And here I am, like, a month and a half out from draft. And I'm like, man, oh, I want to put in there. I want to put in there really bad. I don't know if I'm supposed to, though. It's very tough.

So flip side, loser the combine, Bryce Young, quarterback from Alabama who, I don't know if you fell out of the conversation of number one, but I mean, let's just cut to it. How far does a guy fall down your board, D.K., if, was he wearing platform shoes? Were there was elevator shoes at the press? Like, what was going on? Pretty normal shoes. Find a new slant.

I don't know. I really, I didn't see the shoes up close, but there was a picture that showed him behind the podium. Why does he have to look like taller at the podium? It doesn't matter. It's because Anthony Richardson's going to be there. You just said it. You just said it, DK.

We're all humans, right? Every single person who saw Bryce Young in person last week has a story about their experience of seeing Bryce Young. You run up with Anthony Richardson. So absolutely you want Bryce to try

feel and look as big as possible. I take it back in fact because now I'm remembering someone and it might have been you, Ben, showed me a picture of the placement of the microphone. Like how, because like Anthony Richardson

and Young both went at the same podium like at different times. And there was like two pictures. Like the microphone like came up to like like Anthony's stomach and then it was like at like Bryce Young's chin or whatever. It's just like oh God, that's a very stark difference.

It's kind of like, you know that photo of Aaron Judge standing next to Jose Altoouet at the All-Star game? Right, right. And it's like, except the microphone is going to be like, I don't know, Micah Parsons's like shoulder, except one of them's going to go to Bryce Young's face and the other one's going to go to Richardson's like solar plexus. It's just, I see now why you'd be afraid if you're at NFL GM to be like,

yeah, yeah. So like you wrote a great piece in Bryce Young's size. He's one of the two. two or three shortest quarterbacks to ever probably go in the first round. And he's one of the two or three lightest quarterbacks to ever go in the first round. Like that's a terrible comment. At some point, it's just physics. It's like mass and force and he doesn't have much mass.

Can we spend some time on his weight here for a second? So we've been talking about this for weeks leading up to it. What did he weigh in at? 204? Yeah. So he came in at 204, which is a win for him. Like somebody told me, I love this. Why is it a win if we all know it's fake?

Like to be clear, he's like, I got to bulk up. so it doesn't say $195. But everyone who does this for a living is like, well, he bulked up and didn't do the drills so that he'll do the drills later when he bulks back down to his playing weight. So let me get this straight. His agents think we're so stupid

and all the people who work for the teams are so stupid that even though we intellectually know he's not actually 2004 pounds. That was fake. It's a Fugazi. He can do it though. He proved he can gain weight. Honestly, I think it's important.

Some guys literally, no matter what they try, cannot gain weight. If he would have come in or would have a good weight? Well, who cares? He can gain weight. That's the deal. What does that mean?

Honestly, he did eat milkshakes and donuts and get fat. Here's my impression. He did not look fat to me. Like, he looked like, you know, it was a good kind of weight. He was wearing like hoodies and dips the whole time. Platform shoes. Just freaking. It's the whole thing.

Like, it's the entire thing with his weight so that the gym of drafts him doesn't have to answer the question of why he was 204 and not 197. Like, it's crazy that. Here's the other thing. if he hadn't have gained the weight you know what we'd have been saying this whole fucking week? He can't even gain like five pounds

to come into the combine and get over 200 pounds, right? Like he fucking pregnant. Yeah, yeah, for Bryce. I think it was, he was a winner for that. Getting over 204 pounds, like it eliminates us

from talking about it all week. What is he going to weigh week one? Like 180. 1.90. This would be solved if we used, like, what are the English used? Stone? If we just,

it's kind of like we're obsessed with six feet tall, but it's just like a, random thing of our measurement system? So, right, what it's called on stats is threshold bias, right? And the entire height weight conversation is threshold bias. But the reason we talk about biases is because, and this goes back to DK's salient point, we're humans. Humans got biases.

So let's look at first round quarterbacks who were sub 200 pounds in the history of the NFL draft. Clint Longley, Jim McMahon, Steve Fuller, Tommy Kramer, that's it. Are we playing two truths, one lie? Who are this? Yeah, Tommy Kramer's not really. I've heard of like one of those people. Right. So, okay. So now, right.

Now let's talk about quarterbacks who are like over 200 and like under 210. All right. Andre Ware. Mark Wilson, Dave Wilson, Kyler Murray, Johnny Mansell, Steve Walsh, Cade McNawn, Michael Vic came in at 210. You start to get a wider group and you start to get a group that has some better names to it, right? Which just doesn't mean Bryce Young's any better or worse than he was. It just changes the family of guys in which he's going to be talked about. the biggest concern was that, to me,

was that Young was going to be both short and slight. He was going to be very short and he was going to be very thin. He ended up about as short as I expected. I was kind of polling everybody I could talk to in the days before the draft, like media, like everybody, you know what I'm saying? And just asking, what do you think Brex is going to come in at? And a lot of people had a lot of faith that he was going to be like almost 5-11. He came in at just over 5-10.

He is short. But he's not as slight as we thought we were going to be. He was at 204. I was told he was eating 10 pancakes a morning for the last. three weeks. Okay? So like, that's a lot of pancakes. Holy shit. Craig's point, this is not the sort of thing that you feel good about. But coming in at 204

helps the general manager. Wait, were you joking? Yeah, I was one of the same thing. Were you joking about the pancakes thing? Nope. That was, that was said to me in complete seriousness. Wait, how many pancakes? A morning? Ten pancakes? 10 pancakes every morning.

Hold on. I'm talking like silver dollar? I did not ask as to the size of the pancakes. Give me the diameter. Yeah. So at your local Denny's every morning is one guy who lost his fantasy league and has to sit there for 24 hours and eat grand slams. And next to him is Bryce Young wearing pancakes every morning. He's like, you have to be here for 24 hours. And every pancake and a waffle is an hour off your time. So like quick like aside, I feel so much better that you guys thought I was joking and then ask me about it.

Because I've been saving that nugget for days to say to Craig and Danny. Because I thought they'd love it the most. I would set it and nobody reacted. I was like, dang, I thought that was a banger. I just started thinking about... I immediately started just thinking about Mitch Hedberg, how are you talking about how pancakes are all exciting at first, but by the end, you're fucking sick of them?

Can you imagine eating 10 pancakes? And mix it up. Like, can we do something else? Mix in a waffle or something. When you're looking at a menu, like, do I order pancakes? I'm like, all right, cool. Do I want my day to end at 11.30 in the morning? Geez, imagine just the sugar, like, letdown halfway through.

Man's went on the Michael Phelps diet there. Wow. I think that's why Bryce Young was the first quarter of, at the podium, it's because by the time Anthony Richardson spoke, Brayshung was asleep. We have an email here that I think captures this bigger picture conversation, especially because we're really talking about these three guys kind of represent a bigger picture here where it's like Anthony Richardson, not, I would say, excellent at football

yet, but every physical tool you'd ever ask for, C.J. Stroud, who's like the perfect quarterback you wanted 15 years ago, and then Brayshung, who's great, but small. And so we got an email from Mason who says, Mason. Mason. Mason. Mason. Listen to the bod talking about quarterback ceilings. Am I crazy or do physical tools have nothing to do with the quarterback ceiling?

Tom Brady is the consensus greatest of all time. Had nothing special physically. And before him, Joe Montana also didn't have any crazy tools. Joe Burrow doesn't have any crazy tools. Drew Breese was below average and a lot of tools. And in my mind, if you have enough arm to stretch the field and hit the outside, don't you have the same ceiling as the greatest quarterbacks ever? I get the fantasy of Anthony Richardson or Josh Allen,

constantly using their legs and size to win the numbers game against defenses and the arm to bail themselves. out of jams, but we've just never seen this play out. Well, don't we not necessarily know what the quarterbacks. Like, back when Joe Montana was getting drafted, we didn't, they didn't look at quarterbacks the same way they did today. Like, they weren't letting people who looked like Lamar Jackson play

quarterback, so we don't know. Exactly. The easy answer here is we want our cake and eat it too. What's the expression? We want to have our cake and eat it too. By the way, I don't get that. It's a weird expression and I'd rather not get into it. It means, actually, it's I want it that way, but also

the other way. Like, that's really what this whole song's about. You can't have it both ways. When I wasn't on the pod and I heard you guys talking about that, I was shouting to try and hope you would hear me, but you didn't. But the guy who wrote that song, like had a loose grasp on English. We got an email about that too. Oh, yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Max Martin's shoutout legend. But like, I think the closest thing to, I think the ceiling that we're talking about when we talk about all these ridiculously athletic guys is Mahomes. And he's not like an elite runner, but his arm is elite. and it allows him to do so many different things that almost no other quarterback can do.

And so I think he's the guy I think of when I think of sealing elite matching the mental side of the game and the accuracy and all that, but the elite arm strength and elite like ability to throw off balance and he had a freaking high ankle sprain in the Super Bowl you didn't even barely notice it.

You know what I mean? Because he has that, he's just able to generate torque. His dad is literally, his dad was like a MLB pitcher. Like he has the arm strength. It's just, he's just gifted. And so I,

I think what I think of ceiling, it's not necessarily Josh Allen, although Josh Allen, I think like big picture has the most tools. I think of like you're getting Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL by like a long shot because he has all the mental stuff down that you would talk about with, you know, Joe Montana and Breeze and all that, but he also has an elite arm. And so mixing those together, that's maybe a pipe dream, but that's what we're going for. We wonder Kay can eat it too. So like, what do you make of those tools being overrated?

So Mason, I want you to Google or Twitter search, Justin Fields, Hassan Reddick. And I want you to watch the dead to right sack that Hassan Redick had on Justin Fields in the game, the Eagles played against the Bears. And then I want you to watch the subsequent breaking of the sack and 60-yard run that Justin Fields ripped off afterward. And then I want to circle back on the conversation. That's where we're at right now in terms of quarterback tools. Because Stuart Mandel, who like, Stu's the man, excuse me doing this for forever, after Richardson jumped, he basically quote to him, he was like, yeah, what about all the receivers he misses on film?

Firstly, there's, it's just cool to watch a guy jump. It's just cool to watch a guy who's 2 to 44 pounds, go 40 inches in the years. Just like, come on. Push him out the door, like the office thing. Yeah, there's a, there's a, that boy nice, you know, perspective here that I think is valid. Yeah, but secondly, um, more quarterbacks are tucking the ball and running,

both in the design game and the scramble game than we've ever seen. And among those quarterbacks, Daniel Jones rips off a nice eight-yard scramble and third and six, first down, boom, that's beautiful. The stuff that like, a guy, like, feel, does in terms of turning a sack second and 19. The drive is over. Take a ball, go home.

We are punting this football. Sacks are drive-enders, turning a sack, not just into like, oh, throwaway second and 10, into a 40-plus yard run where he breaks angles from linebackers and he outrun safeties.

Like, Anthony Richardson is a walking explosive play. And that walking explosive play, that is supposed to play happens after you already, like, have the chance to throw the football. It's like, oh, let's see if we can, throw it and get downfield and get the ball to one of our receivers. Like, oh, we couldn't.

The defense won. Cool. Now the 4-4 guy is going to run. You just get a whole second play. And so that's why, like, yes, it does, does it feel intuitive that we care about a quarterback jumping straight up in the air? No. But we do.

In this modern NFL, we absolutely do. Richardson's ability to create explosive plays on the ground is hugely impactful to his draft evaluation. Before we finish up, just with Mason, though, I think, I think his. point is very fair, though, that, like, ultimately some of the greatest quarterbacks of all time are just really fast processors and get the ball out and get the ball to the receivers and make the right decisions with the football, throw a catchable ball in, like, Joe Montana's case. And a lot of it, too, like, when we're talking about ceiling, it's like the mental side of it. You know what I mean? Like, I think one of the biggest reasons, like, Burrow is where he is in the NFL right now. It's just because he's, like, so confident and cool and never doubts himself and all that stuff. So it is never just a, black and white discussion. However, on that note, I want to circle back to what Craig said at the beginning, which is at the end of the day, no one knows anything about the world.

And all we do is point at other successful models that have happened in the past and try to build on it. And in that way, there is a black and white element of this conversation where a lot of black quarterbacks were not allowed to play in part because they were looking at the Joe Montana model. I actually want to read a quote from John Harbaugh about why they were trying to read like the model of quarterbacking itself. And this is from Harbaugh a few years ago before the Lamar MVP season.

Harba. Do we do that with a John? John. He said the game was probably revolutionized with Bill Walsh and Joe Montana and that has been the quarterback model for the last 25 or 30 years

and we've all been chasing that Joe Montana model pretty much trying to find that quarterback and find that rhythm and all the things that go with that offense. And it really hasn't changed too much. None of us can envision what's going to come in the future. And I think that this is an interesting question

because that's kind of how it works. It's like they were chasing Joe Montana. And when Anthony Richardson says at the podium, I call myself Cam Jackson, like Cam Newton Lamar. We are at the beginning of the next model and that it's Joe Montana. There's a reason Tom Brady grew up watching Joe Montana in the stands for those Super Bowls, the same way like Anthony Richardson's calling himself Lamar. C.J. Stroud said at the podium, he wore number seven because Michael Vick wore number seven.

We're in a new era of quarterbacks watching other quarterbacks, playing like other quarterbacks. And it's just like Montana's going to iterate and build on top of it. 100%. We, we're looking for the. the NFL version of Otani, like a guy who can pitch and hit, like elite levels on both sides. It's happening across every sport. Basketball.

Who's going to be the number one picking the draft? He's 7-3 and faces the basket when he plays basketball. Now, what's... Watches Steph Curry. Three years ago, they would have put him in the pain. They wouldn't let him shoot. Yeah, this goes to my... One of the other points I had just about, like,

I wrote about this. Everybody's breaking every record every year at the Combine. The kids are just more athletic, man. Like, the training is better. so that's a big part of it. But also like a guy that looked like and moved like Anthony Richardson years ago, they would have been like, brother, it would be a good Mike linebacker.

Defensive end or something. It's got to be a nice gap fitter against the run. And now we're like, ah, big fast, quarterback. Smart quarterback. Big smart quarterback. Small smart arm quarterback quarterback. Quarterback, quarterback. Get the dudes of the dudes.

So I want to go through that. So you were a great piece of the ringer kind of coming away from the combine. And what struck me was we just had, Winners and lose with the combine, loser, all the records that existed for this week. So Anthony Richardson, as we just mentioned, broke all the common numbers for the quarterback. Nolan Smith, the defensive United Georgia, the edge rusher had the second fastest 40 for an edge rusher ever. Blake Freeland and offensive lineman, BYU, Y, you set the vertical jump record for linemen, or offensive lineman safety.

Jartavis Martin for Illinois tied the record for vertical jump at safety. Defensive tackle, Colise Cansey, broke the record for 40-yard dash by defensive tackles. Darno, Washington at tight end of the biggest wingspin ever for a tight end. Joey Porter Jr., I believe, at the third largest wingspan for a cornerback at the combine. Why? So, like, why is that happening? Why are all these people breaking all the records at every position? So firstly, yeah, it's testing preparation has never been better.

10 weeks. Yeah, exactly. Like, guys are just so much of the 40-yard dash is how you get out of the blocks. The first 10 yards, like using track runner techniques to, like, effectively launch yourself out of those blocks, keep your balance and minimize that time. And just so many guys know how to train that better now and they pay more attention to it because the lead pays attention to it. That's a big part of it.

Jumping, so much of jumping that we've learned is like mobility, right? It's the ability to create explosive power from your hips. We need to have flexibility to do that. You need to access all those little muscles and those stabilizers in your hips. And so much of that has become mobility training. Like, we're just a lot better at training to these exercises. So that's a big part of it.

The other big part of it is like as the NFL increasingly realizes and learns that like, oh, let's just draft some insane athletes get them in the building and these guys are really high floors because they're such good athletes, it becomes increasingly valuable for guys who are entering the NFL draft to be like, I have to display my athleticism as well as possible. The other thing, when you see these 40-yard dash times,

is that positions are just getting lighter and smaller, right? Collijah Cancy ran the fastest 40-yard dash time. Well, here's a secret for you. Collegia Cancy is 275 pounds. That dude wasn't a defensive tackle 10 years ago. So if we had always been doing 275-pound defensive tackles, then there maybe could have been other guys

who ran faster, but Kansi just is the lightest dude and so he ends up the fastest dude. Nolan Smith, 239 pounds, right? I mean, he's... Mike Vrable, Mike Vrable, who was famously a linebacker, played at 261.

Yeah, I mean, I say he's 239 on the edge. It just, being a sub-20-pound edge is just not something you saw in the 2000s, right? And now you're seeing it to the point where Georgia plays is a kid there. He's great against the run. And then he runs that 4-3-9 of the 1-5-2-10-year-old split, which that's a true record for edges.

So 1.5-2 seconds in the first 10 yards of the 40, which that 10-yard split is literally like, how do you get off the ball? Like, how do you get from a three-point stance into rushing the passer? And Smith's got the best one ever, which matches with this film. That's really, really exciting for Smith. So guys just get lighter. And that's why you see so many of these 40s get faster and faster and faster. So, D.K, of that whole list, I'm curious, who are these insane record-breaking times or measurements overall? I'm curious, what are the one or two that stand out to you as significant in your?

your draft board. Again, NFLdraft. That the ringer. com. DK's got mock drafts, big board, the best player

evaluations of the game. Everything in NFL draft. Dot the great mobile guide. And the mock draft will be up on Wednesday, I believe. So I think the guy who, it's a few days out now

and like this tends to happen. Like it gets just sort of like buried beneath the other news. But like Nolan Smith absolutely blew up his workout. Was it on Friday or Thursday? I can't remember. And he's again,

the edge rush route of Georgia. a former five star. He was the number one recruit in the country. But he kind of fell off the national radar a little this year because he missed half the season to a knee injury, I believe. And so he just, you know, didn't have a ton of buzz, but he showed. And High Fitz, you were asking me before the show, like, give me some context of what he, like, is as an athlete. What does this mean? He's a DK Metcalfe level athlete.

Like, he is freakishly fast at 239 pounds, 1.5 to 10-year-s split, which is the fifth best for any defensive endeavor, 41 and 9. half inch vert, which is the best vert for a defensive endeavor. 108 broad, which is the ninth best. So he's like top 10, you know, in every explosion and speed metric that there is. And he's really, really explosive and fast. So it's like if D.K. Metcalf was a pass rusher. Right. But he can turn. Like that's the other thing. He's very bendy. Unlike D.K. Metcalf. DK Metcalf cannot turn. He's a, he's like an aircraft carrier. Nolan Smith is a jet ski. He can like, freaking get back into the pocket. He can get low, fly into the quarterback.

I think he's a really impressive athlete, obviously, but he's also a very good pass rusher. The only question is, of course, the size thing, which Solek laid out so perfectly before, you know, is he going to be big enough? He's not going to fit everybody's team, but he got a lot of comments to Asan Redick, who obviously had a huge season for the Eagles this year.

I think that's a pretty, like, in terms of size, it's a good comparison. He's going to have to prove that he can play the same way, though. Smith's very likable. I just think that, again, like, it's a price young thing. There can be at least 10 teams who are like, no. No. Yeah.

Like, look at the average size of a Saints defense event. Like 270 pounds. There are some teams for whom those that just like isn't a functional player. That's going to be a tricky thing. That being said, I think he will still be a first round pick. I do think so. I think you can't pass on the record set or 10-yard split if you need to pass a rusher. Like, over time.

If he gets to the Ravens, good night. good night. We're going home if he gets to the Ravens. Okay, who's another I don't even know the word. Person who's very big and or fast that you're like, wow, that person's even bigger or faster than I thought.

There is a correct answer here, by the way. Darnow Washington from Georgia. Yeah, boy, well-done, young man. Six foot seven, 264 pounds. Tight end. Another guy who looks like he's 30. Like, he's just so big and strong and long arms.

This is actually the, what if LeBron played football guy? So like, what did you say in your, in your article that he has the longest wingspan of a tight end ever? Is that what is? The longest wingspan of a tight end ever. He has a 20. Over seven feet. It is 83.75.

So yeah, it's seven feet two inches. It's a 20, it's like 25th. It's top 25 among all positions. So like including defensive ends and offensive tackles. Like think about your like Jared Jones is of the world and like, DeWan Jones, right? The kid of Ohio State. Like just like, some of these guys who have mad like, he could play tackle. Like he's got the way.

Spam where we can functionally play tackle. And then he ran a short shuttle, which is also called the 510-5 drill. If you know what the short shuttle is, they don't televise it. Basically, you start at the 25-yard line and you're facing a sideline. You're not facing the end zone.

You're facing a sideline. You run as fast as you can, five yards to your left and touch the 20-yard line. And you run as fast as you can, 10 yards to your right, touch the 30-yard line, and then you run five yards back and you cross the 25-yard line.

So five yards, 10 yards, five yards, the short shuttle. It measures quickness. Measure quickness and change the direction. It is typically, drill for small people. Right? Shorter the ground. Slot receivers. You're able to dig in really quick and pop out really fast.

You change direction, handle your momentum. It is not a drill for big lumbering six foot seven tight ends. I was shocked at this. I didn't, I mean, I like him. So the length of Joelle and Bede. Which the arm length does help a little bit. You have to touch the line, right? So he can stop a little bit sooner and just reach out. Be like, ah, just get to get a ball.

Maybe that's it. Yeah. But Darnow Washington ran the third fastest short shuttle in the entire combine. Like Jackson Smith. That's insane. It's insane. And then Donald Washington, it's unbelievable for a guy this huge to be that quick. Is you good at catching the football? Yes.

And that's the other thing. He kind of one-hander. There was a big highlight going around. He like leapt up, twirled around, and just snatched the ball in the air with one hand and then caught it. Like, he's got skills as a receiver too. Yeah.

Here's the best way to describe Washington. He had, like, we've seen tight ends take over the league. We've seen titans are going more important part of offenses. Travis Kelsey, Darren Waller, Mark Andrews. Washington has the ability to become an elite tight end. He's not there yet.

He needs to polish, he needs to work. He has the ability to become an elite tight end, one of the greats. If he does so, it will not be in the mold of the Kelsey, the Waller, and the Andrews. It won't be in the mold of 120-plus targets and dominating the passing game.

It will be in the mold of Grong. And that's not a con. But that is to say that, like, you would watch Grong, like, this guy's incredible. What a receiver. Breaking Tackle because that's insane. And then they would just, like,

leave him one-on-one with an edge and he's just like stonewalling Vaughn Miller. And you're like, what world am I living in right now? Like a true dominant blocker and a true dominant receiver who puts his hand in the dirt for 45 plays and beats every single dude lined up against him.

It doesn't matter how big, how fast, how quick, how small, whatever. Like if Washington hits, he hits in that mold, the true inline tight end. And that is special. I was actually really shocked that he ran so fast

and had such quick, you know, agility drill times because when I watch him, and this is not necessarily a negative, but he lumberes around. Like, he's a big lumbering. fella, you know, on the field. He does pick up speed, but this is exactly how it was with Gronk.

Like, he looks like he's lumbering. He looks like his knees hurt. Like when he's running around, you know what I mean? Like, he just doesn't have like the fluidity of a lot of these other guys. But he still covers a lot of ground. And he's so big, you can't guard him. And that's kind of how it is with darned at Washington. So he's, you know, he's one of the more interesting guys in this whole class.

He's got Greg Oden syndrome. Even when Greg Oden was 21 years old, he looked like he was moving like a 40-year-old man. Exactly. The other guy I wanted to bring up real quick for when we're talking about like the elite athleticism stuff is Jackson Smith and Jigpa from Ohio State who came it came into the combine I think most people were not really expecting much from him they were basically he's not going to he did not run the 40 and that's one of the big knocks on him he doesn't have like that elite high end speed but his ability to change direction his body control that's apparent

on his tape I think and he went out and ran two of the best times for the short shuttle and the three cone in combine history is the fourth fastest short shuttle for receiver ever at 393. And then 3-Cone was 12th best among receivers ever in the comment. So, like, he showed, and when you watch him do it, you can see why. He, like, his feet just, like, stick to the ground. He just moves so quickly. He has no problem changing direction.

And that's why I gave him the Future New England Patriot Award for the weekend. Well, hold on. Two different questions here. One, Jackson Smith and Jigba, this is the receiver to Ohio State where Garrett Wilson and Chris Olive both were, like, top 13 picks in the draft last year. We're like, yeah, yeah. Jackson Smith and Jigba, he's better than us. Like, they just said that.

But you're saying he's a Patriot and they suck at drafting receivers. So you think he's good or not? No, I think he's good. I'm saying the Patriots love the three cone and short shuttle. They love the agility. There's nothing I hate more than ex-player said my teammates good. Drives me off the wall. But he is good, though.

He is. He's great. It's just, like right now, Danny. Don't put anything. Don't bank on that, yeah. It's like putting a reference on your resume and you call it. How was Ben? Like, oh, yeah, Ben was the best.

No, it's like LinkedIn. When you recommend your friend for like Microsoft PowerPoint on LinkedIn, and you're like, cool, cool. Yeah, right, cool. Proficient in PowerPoint. I'll tell you what exactly it's like right now. If somebody came up to me and was like, hey, who's one of the best middle school English teachers in the state of Alabama?

I would go, my sister. Not because I know a lot about the best middle school teachers in English and state of Alabama. I would go, this person I like and who I know, I want a good thing to happen to them. That's the whole logic behind it. And we always talk about it. Like, it means so much. It drives me crazy.

Having said that, I do, I have felt all year. He was supposed to be like the number one receiver in this class. And he got hamstring injury like immediately, like in week one of the college football season. It basically didn't play all year. And he kind of made it worse trying to come back. So I will say, though, he was at the podium press conferences this week. And Smith & Jigba was super quiet, super shy. And I was kind of like, I'm not going to get anything on this.

And I wandered over it. It was Marvin Mims, who was a receiver. He's transferred out Oklahoma. Marvin and Mims grew up playing basketball with Jackson Smith and Jigba. It was also funny because Jackson Smith and Jigba's older brother is actually a minor leagher for the Pittsburgh Pirates, whose team is in Indianapolis. So there's a giant poster of Jackson Smith and Jigba's little brother in Indianapolis. It's kind of funny.

So I was talking Marvin Mims about playing basketball Smith and Jigba. And I'm like, who's his NBA doppelganger? And no hesitation, he's like Patrick Beverly. And I was like, that's awesome to hear. It's exactly what I want my wide receivers to be like. I want all of them to be like really athletic Patrick Beverly's. I love that. I love it, Jigba.

this is just so stupid, but like a lot of the stuff that we do with the carmire is stupid. Like somebody showed me Smith and Jigba's high school receiving stats when we were in Indianapolis. And I would draft him just based on his high school stats. Like never mind the fact that he put up like one of the best seasons ever last year. Not this last season, but the season before when he played the whole season.

Like statistically it was absurd. Like had like 250 yards, you know, in the Rose Bowl. His senior year of high school, 2,100 receiving yards and 3,000. four touchdowns. His junior year, 1,800 receiving yards and 20 touchdowns. He's like his high school exploits are legitimately legendary. Like, I would draft him straight out of high school.

Every year they should let one guy go out of high school. Seriously, he's so, like, but this is the deal. And like, I think this is why the speed thing gets overplayed with Njigba. He's just so fucking good. He's just such a natural. He's a route runner. He gets open. His hands are amazing.

He's just so smooth. I don't know. I just love this guy. So so many of the best wide receivers in the NFL, like aren't that fast. Right, exactly. It's like the quarterback conversation. Like, like, actually Mason's email continued to be like Jerry Rice and Michael Thomas and so and Devante Adams like aren't that fast.

Yeah. But they're good. But they're good in other ways. Right. Honestly, also, just a good weekend for Ohio State in general. I hate to say it. It's still like. It's nice to see them finally win something.

Why do you hate to say it? Do you not like Ohio State? Well, the Ohio State. It's just like Ohio State's like a, well, this is big. I got to be careful here. But like the Ohio, like, there's just like, they think they're Alabama, but they're not. Wow. But why do you not like that?

I don't know. It just rubs me the right way. Why do we root against the cowboys? You like Alabama more? You root for them more than Ohio State? They've earned the right to act that way more, yes. And Solac is the actually lives in the Midwest here. It's just like something from.

Well, I lived in like Pennsylvania where if I ran into a college fan, it was a Penn State fan. And I live in Michigan, where it's Michigan and Michigan State fans. So the only unifying. think of my entire experience of college football fans has been, we hate those guys. I'm like, I'm down for that. I grew up just like predicate on the idea of hating the Patriots and hating the Cowboys, right? Like we were a Steelers family, Jets family, the Eagles family, so we didn't agree on who we rooted for. We agreed on who we hated. It was Patriots and Cowboys. So I'm fine for the

universal hatred of Ohio State. With that set, I love me some big tackles. There have been since 2000, only 19 offensive tackles with arms longer than 36 inches. Two of those 19 played for the Ohio State Buckeyes last season. Jason. Paris Johnson Jr. 36 and 18th on the left side, DeWan Jones 36 and 3 eighth on the right side. For perspective, the threshold that teams usually want their offensive tackles to hit in terms of arm length, they have to be at least this long as 33 inches. So these guys are clear in the bar. DeWan Jones also came in at 6'8 and 374 pounds and then ran a 5-3,

which like speed score-wise, how fast you're moving your mass is bananas. Like, you remember watching Jordan Davis's 40 last year where you're like, oh, this guy could like chase down a Sabretooth Tiger and kill it with his bare hands. Like this is a guy who like, he's going to live after the rapture.

That's the feeling you get with Duane Jones. This guy is going to survive in the dystopian future. No problem. Paris Johnson's been talked about as a top 10 pick. I think he is one off of conversations I've had in the way that he tested.

Duan Jones has been talked about as a fringe first rounder. I think he is one based off of the way that he tested. I think both allows it tackles go around one. You have to say, I'm saying is that honestly, as a Jewish person from New York. Ohio State talks about football the way that we talk about bagels,

which is like there's just the air of like, we invented football. I'm sorry, that's all. All right. You know, just that's all. It's okay. All right. Also, we'll talk about the running backs.

Bejohn Robinson. I also learned this weekend. It is Bejohn. It is not Bijan. Oh, really? It's the Boobie Miles out of Texas running back basically. We've got Jemir Gibbs, who transferred, but he's Alabama. And then your guy, D.K., Texas A&M running back, Devana Chain.

who fastest get alive. Do you think these are the three top running backs in this draft? Like Bejohn and Jemir Gibbs, like those are first round running backs, you think? Those are, yeah, Bejohn, Robinson. Wow, that's going to take, it's going to be weird for a little while. Bejohn. He prefers Bejohn.

I'm sick with Bejohn. It's like Jalen Waddle, who he's just like, you know what? No one's going to call me Waddle, so I'll just live with it. But that is how it's pronounced. Okay, well, we'll try. Also, Jalen leans. I mean, he does the fucking Waddle end zone dance. So what do you want us to do?

Well, he calls that his stage name. He's referred to it as a state. That's fair. Bajan Robinson and Jemir Gibbs are like the, I would say the locks to be one, two in this class. Devon A-chain is my number three. I can see why a lot of teams may not like him just because he's 188 pounds. I thought that was actually like a decent size for him. But he is just absurdly, absurdly, absurdly fast, absurdly, absurdly explosive as an accelerator.

And they all showed that basically speed does, with the caveat that speed doesn't really matter as much as long as long as you hit a certain threshold at running back. These guys were like three of the fastest players in the combine, three of the fastest running backs in the combine. So H.A. and Gibbs Bijon, yeah, we're not going to take a ton away from this, but they all lived up to their billing in terms of like really explosive and great accelerators. Bejohn Robinson in particular didn't even look like he was trying and he ran a 4-4-6. I think he's going to be in the top 15.

Bejohn, again, he's boobie miles from fighting at L.A. He's literally just the truth. Okay, if there is one guy off the radar here Who you just saw his numbers You're like, I gotta watch this dude again Both of you who's that guy One dude Ati Tamiwa Atabare

Who's the defensive tackle out of Northwestern Had a nice day at the senior bowl Got a great I watched a game of his film at like 2 a.m. I was like, okay, yeah, make sense You'll keep you posted on mid-orong guy, whatever And then he was 282 pounds It was like yeah, a little bit of a tweener size

That's cool And subsequently ran a 44940 Which is absurd 449 The faster than the receivers at 280 points. But John ran 446 and he's a running back. He's supposed to run. He's like 2.14.

This guy's like a sub-defensive tackle big end. That's crazy. Staport. Yeah, 4-49. In terms of, again, I brought this up before speed score, which is just functionally weight adjusted 40 times. How fast are you moving your mass? This is the best speed score we've ever seen along the defensive line.

Dude, never seen a guy this big moving this quick. Yeah. That is eye-popping stuff. So I'm excited to see him. DK always says that all 260 picks in the draft are the best athlete that anyone who's ever met them has ever come across. And they're just like a fifth round family. Stetson Bennett coming for that scene. This is the greatest athlete as town has ever seen.

That's like when you're like watching a college basketball game, like some random like group of five game. And it's like some dude from Boise State. They're not even going to make the tournament. And you're like, this guy sucks. And then you like go play with him at like a 24 hour fitness. And he's like the greatest basketball player you've ever seen. It's like, holy shit. It's like playing against Magic Johnson.

Some guy who came off the bench for Fresno State basketball and he's like unbelievable. This is like so, it's so true. Like, you know, like Luke Ridenauer was a local legend where I grew up like legitimately legendary player, high school player in the state of Washington. Wait, can you everyone to email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com? Who is your Luke Ridenauer?

Please email us the completely random college or pro athletes who are just local lore from where you're from. I mean, I went to a camp at Gonzaga with Luke Ridenauer. hour when I was in high school. And I remember everybody would like stand around and just watch him absolutely just do whatever the fuck he wanted against a defense. Like it was incredible. And then he was

just like an okay NBA player. Like that's it. You know? So anyways, to answer your question, I would say there's two guys, Byron Young from Tennessee the edge rusher. I'm going to have to go back and watch more of him. Because he put up like top three, top five numbers for edge rushers of all time, pretty much in every category.

He is a juco guy. He's about to turn 25. So you know, I don't know exactly how high he'll go, but he probably got himself into day two. And so I mentioned Byron Young. And then the other guy I want to mention is Zach Coons from Old Dominion, who is legitimately maybe the best tight end tester of all time. He had a 10.0 RAS, which is a relative athletic score. Number one overall, all time.

4-5-40, like 40 inch for everything is really good. Three cone short shuttle. Everything was elite. High fits. This guy, you could say, is athletic. Yeah, this guy is athletic. the most, yes, but he's the most athletic title ever, he gets to be athletic.

He's athletic, so therefore I love him. Perfect. And I think he's going to be, he's probably like going to be a mid-round pick now because he's just such an elite athlete, even though, you know, he is not a household name at any point. But former, you know, just multi-sport athlete, just really good athlete, which I love to see it tight-eyed. Again, can I say he's an athlete.

You can. I got to tell you, though, with the name like Zach Cunts, I don't think he ever will be a household man, I have to say. It's Coots. Not in the cards. I think it's Coot. Well, I don't know how to pronounce it, but cunts would be a little bit much. K-U-N-T-Z. Coons.

Not going to be a household name. Yeah. All right. You guys want to get to two jargons and a lie? Let's do it. I thought I'd step in here and give you guys one. Thanks, Craig. Oh, wow.

It is Oscars week. The Oscars are this Sunday. So I thought, why don't we do two movies that won the Academy Award for Best Picture and one lie. I couldn't name a single movie. Except for holes, apparently. I want to clarify, one of these movies is completely made up. It's not a real movie. It wasn't a nominee.

It's a made-up film. Perfect. Because I prefer that. Okay. Here are the three movies. The Lost Weekend, Oliver, Guilty Men. Not for crying out loud. If you want context or a year, I can give it.

Oh, give me everything you got. Craig is all of the information. This is what you live for. Yeah, I want, what was the fake Roger Ebert review? I don't have a fake Roger Ebert review. give you a brief synopsis. Okay, guilty men. Guilty men,

1963, directed by Fred Ziniman, starring Alan Bates and Michael Cain, and it's about Neville Chamberlain and the United Kingdom seating Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany. Michael Caine. A lot of words.

Michael Cain, a young Michael Cain. It's a little lower like this. He'd blow the bloody doors on. By the way, this is a, we spent probably like two hours talking about the movie series the trip, which like 12 people have seen, but it's fucking amazing.

Anyway, that was overwhelming. Michael. As it got older, it got a little bit. The other movie, Oliver, 1968, directed by Carol Reed, music drama adaptation of Charles Dickens' novel about Oliver Twist. Sounds real. And then The Lost Weekend, 1945, directed by Billy Wilder. It's about an alcoholic writer during a binge weekend of drinking.

So, like, what do you think? God. I think the third one is fake. I'm going with Oliver. Guilty men is just too on the nose. Like, you got to have a subtler title than, like, these guys did something. I think the Lost Weekends fake. I think Oliver is fake.

Actually, this is interesting. Like, yeah, like in 1945, I guess they cared about weekends then. What? Yeah, I'm saying with guilty men. I'm saying with guilty men. Final answer. So you're all taking different movies? Yeah.

Yeah. Ben is correct. Guilty men's fake. What? God. Damn it. What the fuck? How did you come up with the synopsis for this, Craig?

Are you reading the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or something? there's just a lot of movies about World War II back then and I was like Neville Chamberlain I tossed him Michael Kane holy shit I don't believe

Guilty Men is a book about Neville Chamberlain Can you do some more Michael Kane real quick before we go Yeah wait so I just sent you the video So you get what about Yeah Ben just watch that 30 minute video real quick Come back

Michael Cain Oh no way I've seen this What's this this actor's a comedian It's from the trip. It's Michael Coogan, right? Steve Coogan. They spend the whole movie doing impressions. It's like a loose script where they basically just improvise the whole time.

It's really funny. Rob Brighton. Kind of like this. Rob Brighton, yeah, yeah. She was only 16 years old. You're not doing it quite right. You got to drop few extra octas. That's good.

Boy, he throws nose. That has changed. I can't do impressions. That's fun. All right. All right. Great job, Ben. Right, maybe I'm right the movie

Guilty Men together. Craig, that was way too specific. I'm actually very proud of you. The history hit right there. All right, that's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, So-like. Thank you, Craig, for making up the two jargons and alive. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode.

Thank you to everyone for listening. Email us at ring of fantasy football at gmail.com for your Luke Ridenauer, local legend. Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Vampire Weekend. Nice. Nice. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, I like, it.

It's hard to sing a vampire weekend song. It is. It is. I learned about Vampire Weekend right around the time I learned about music festivals, and so I thought Vampire Weekend was a music festival for like years. Oh, that's pretty good. Everybody dresses up. I just, yeah, I was like, yeah, sure, that makes sense.

That's what the movie The Lost Weekend is about. It's a vampire weekend. Yeah, the Lost Vampire Weekend. Yeah. All right, goodbye.