The Ringer NFL Show - QB Coin Flips: The Case For and Against Every QB in the Draft

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Panda watch! The guys take a look at every quarterback in the 2025 NFL draft. DK and Heifetz make the arguments for and against each player, but the twist is that they don’t know which side they’re arguing until Craig flips a coin! (00:00) Intro (04:52) Cam Ward (11:53) Shedeur Sanders (28:43) Jaxson Dart (36:05) Tyler Shough (44:07) Jalen Milroe (50:58) Best of the Rest (01:05:00) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Let's go. Your NFL draft show, my name is Danny Hyatt. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horle. Today we are doing the most fun quarterback episode you will listen to all draft season. We're going to go through each of the quarterbacks in this draft and Dika and I are going to argue for against them, but we don't know who's going to do what? Because you know what? Honestly, this is not the most well thought of quarterback class.

And you know who agrees that that take? Danny Kelly, who honestly, you're kind of sick of the quarterbacks in this class. I think I have a little bit of fatigue of talking about these quarterbacks. And when we found out that we were doing the show today, well, when I found out we were doing the show today, I was just like kind of groaning. I was just like, God, God. When I looked up from writing my draft guide and I was like,

oh, God, we have to talk about the quarterbacks today. But I'm going to get my energy up. I'm going to, we're basically being like public defenders for this or Spin City. Remember that show Spin City with Michael J. Fox? Yeah, well, I know of it. I don't know if I've maybe seen a couple episodes. I think same with me, yeah. But why I love this episode is because the entire offseason,

the entire draft season, D.K., high fits, everybody just gets to talk about the guys in the direction they feel strongly about, right? If they like a guy, all they have to talk about is why they like him. Today is the exact opposite. I'm going to flip a coin. And if D.K. loves Cam Ward and I flip the coin and it lands on tails, he's going to have to shit talk Cam Ward. And that's why this episode is so fun.

And so we're going to go through the top five quarterbacks we presume in this draft, Cam Ward, Shador, Sanders. Jackson Dart, Tyler, Shuck, and Jalen Milrow, maybe a couple at the end. We're going to flip a coin and then make Hyvinson, D.K., make the case for or against these guys. I can't wait for whoever has to make the case for Jalen

Milro. And if you have any... I hope it's me. And if you have any... Usually, this exercise, some people want one side and what the guy, some people want the other. Just to give you an idea of how much... You guys all want the negative side. You all want tails. Well, I think Dekin does. D. I wrote down, when we're talking about we're going to do this episode today. I wrote

a quote down that DK said. DK. said, I'm tired of talking about quarterbacks who are going to be backups, and we're not going to talk about them for the next five years. The only guy who excites me even a little bit is Jalen Milrow and he can't throw. By the way, to be clear, that was about all the other guys. That was off the record. Were we not in the tree? We're not in the trust tree?

No, I was talking about the guys that are basically outside the first round. Yeah, but still. That could be. That could be everyone but Cam Ward did. Sure. Could be. Making you guys talk up the quarterbacks you hate is my one joy in the draft season. Should we just get started?

Let's do it, right? So did you remember a coin? We forgot a coin for this three straight years and you to go find one. Got a coin right here. I have a really cool quarter. It doesn't even have a state on it. It just says... It's not even a real quarter?

What do you talk about? It's not a state court. It says it doesn't have a state on it. It says United States of America. And then it says... Chuck E. Cheese. Medal of Honor, 1865. And it says Dr. Mary Edwards Walker.

Who's that? I don't assume the Civil War. Embarrassing, you guys don't know, but Mary Edwards. She was an American abolitionist, prohibitionist, prisoner of war, and American Civil War, and Surgeon. Wow. Well, that's about the union winning a civil war. That's DEI.

They're going to take it off the quarter. Right. You can no longer look it up online. It's going to be an heirloom. So this episode is dedicated to Dr. Mary Edwards Walker, abolitionist, prohibitionist, prisoner of war. She would be honored. All right, let's get started.

I mean, Prohibitionists, not sure I'm down with that, but everything else sounds good. She said prohibitionist instead of abolitionist? No, it says both. She's an abolitionist and a prohibitionist. Oh. Are we talking about prohibition of alcohol because I'm not for that? Otherwise, she sounds like a great person. There was a huge gap between those movements.

Prohibition was later. Right? When did prohibition start? Like in the 1900s. Yeah, yeah. Well, she was for it. In her later years. When did she die?

19. It was on her last day that she came out as a prohibition. Every Sunday morning I wake up, but I should be a prohibitionist. I'm like, I never want to drink again either, so I get it. Never, not me. I'll be splitting the G to my dying breath. Okay. First up, Cam Ward out of Miami.

I'm going to give a little background on each guy, table set a little bit. Cam Ward, 6-2-219 will be 23 years old in May. Five-year starter, played for three college. Incarnate Word, Washington State, finished in Miami. He has the most touchdowns in D1 history. Okay. Flipping the coin here. What do you guys want?

How do we do this? You're doing it for me or for Hyphitz? I'm going to do it for high fits. I'm going to go heads is four, tails is against. I like when one of us has to call it. That's great. D.K. could do it first. It's like no country.

Yeah. It's like no country. I think you have to make a decision. No, we've had this exact discussion before. If we call it, then we get to choose. what we're doing and that defeats the whole fucking purpose. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

You can even know what episode we were doing. Hyviz, what do you want? What do you think it's going to be? Do you want heads or tails, Hyvitz? I go heads. I'm never like tails. I'm a heads guy. Okay.

He wants Cam Ward for the giants. Here we go. Here we go. It is. Tails. Wait, what does that mean? Who do I get? Tails means you have to make the case against Cam Ward. Please proceed.

Oh, I'm going first. Yeah, you are. Are we calling you, Your Honor? me is this a court please call me dr mary edwards walker so uh i got here's my case against cam ward as the number one pick in the draft yeah tell me why should i not draft him because cam ward declared for the draft last year he made a video and everything and then like two hours later dain bruegler at the athletic tweeted out scout just texted me they gave him a fifth round grade And then Cam Ward went back to school.

And so how many times in this draft cycle have we said, you know, Cam Ward, if he was in last year's class, he'd be like the fourth or fifth quarterback taken. No, actually, if Cam Ward were in last year's draft, he would have been a fourth or fifth rounder. Yeah, maybe a third or a second. Sure, okay. But yeah.

Okay. Couldn't you have said that about Joe Burrow? There's plenty of players who took off their last season, right? Yes, correct. You could say that about a very small amount of quarterbacks, yes. Super Bowl quarterback Joe Burrow. Got it. Okay. D.K., tell me why I should draft Cam Ward first overall.

So first off, what Hyatt said, it kind of reminds me of the Bo Nix discussion, too, because Bo Nix went back to school, played another season at Oregon, absolutely blew up. And then even though we doubted him, he was really good as a rookie. I think Cam Ward, after seeing what he did this year, is in that category of Bo Nix where I think he's the type of guy who can run an offense. Physically, he's the most impressive of the first round quarterbacks, the guys that are expected to go in the first round.

He's tough. He's physical. He can throw from weird arm angles. It makes the crazy throws, like on the move. The most important thing, which I love on his tape is he can buy himself an extra beat in the pocket. If there's a guy in his face, if there's a guy bearing down on him, he can, you know, like keep him from getting sacked and still get to throw off by himself an extra beat. This is something Patrick Mahomes does all the time.

Ooh, Mahomes reference. So therefore, he's basically Mahomes. No, not really. 57 starts in his college career, I believe. Three different offenses, three different types of offense. Proves he can learn. Proves he's really smart. Poised in the pocket.

Great touch when layering passes over the middle. Can throw deep. Got some Houdini in him. I just think there's a lot of really exciting traits to like. And the more I watch him, the more he's grown on me, and the less I'm worried about what he was expected to be last year versus what he is now. A lot of guys, Craig, like he said, a lot of guys go back to school, improve, get better. and show that they can lead a program.

He brought Miami to... Yeah, well, he threw a touchdown to get the all-time record and then left the ball. And then left the game, right. Well, whatever. Details. Which is like, everyone was mad, and then people were like, you know, Jaden Daniels did the same thing.

So, I don't know. I just think there's a lot of really exciting traits to like about him. I like him by far the most of the quarterbacks in this class. Not to mention the intangibles, right? Real leader, hard worker. First guy in, last guy out. Kim Ward is a motivator on the field. There you go.

Right? Craig's on my side. I'm giving 20. I'm going to award 25 cents to whoever has the most compelling argument. I'm going to give it to Dary go. Hell yeah. I think my thing with Kim Ward is that, honestly,

I can see it a lot of what Dek is saying. I think the flip side, and I don't even think Deky would disagree with this is, I think Cam Ward is a hero quarterback, but I don't think, I don't know if Kim Ward's a hero. Like, I think that there's a desire to make him Batman,

but I kind of think it might be more like the fake Batman's and the dark night when the real Batman shows up, but he's like, I'm not wearing hockey pads. And it's like, Cam Ward kind of is doing the hockey pads. thing where it's like he kind of thinks he's like I would say cam ward has Matt Stafford's arm angles and has Matt Stafford's confidence but Cam Ward doesn't have it Matt Stafford's arm so there

is going to be like a lot of turnovers like the irony of this is that Cam Ward's better than Will Levis but I kind of also think Cam Ward will probably lead the league in turnovers this season and I kind of just do think there's not going to be dumb turnovers like Cam, like Will Levis had but there's going to be a lot of crazy overconfident turnovers from Cam Ward and I think that there's actually the Titans still are like the meme every week of like how did why did Cam Ward do this? Like there is a recklessness. Like I'm not going to say there's a like the downside is like a Carson Wentz unfathomable, uncoachable aspect out of Cam Ward of this irrational confidence that you can't coach out of him.

I'm not even saying that's going to happen. But like that is the floor you're talking about is someone who's making crazy decisions that at college worked and in the NFL level just never happened. I want my quarterback to be arrogant. I'm for it. That's, I mean, that's fair. That's sick when it works and then everyone blames that when they suck. Yeah, but fair.

But you still want, you'd rather have that than not. Like, even if they're good, you want him to be arrogant and cocky and you need that in a quarterback. Can I say, I know I'm on the against side here. Can I say something nice about Cam Ward that has no bearing on like his ability as a player? And I'm not even arguing like that this matters. But I will say the part that makes me sappy about him is like, I know that we've had all these arguments about NIL. Cam Ward is the reason we did NIL and got mad about what was happening with college players

because literally he had one D1 offer incarnate Word and then went to Miami and like now it went from one D1 offer to Miami to the number one pick in the draft. I don't want to be all sappy, but like that is the American dream. And like that is what was being denied to players is the opportunity to prove themselves. I have no idea of an incarnate word quarterback is going to be an NFL player. But I will say like it's hard not to. a root for the guy. I'm a little worried he's going to suck. And I do wish the Giants Adam. But it is, I find it very hard to root against Gimbler. The way he was talking to

Shudder Sanders in that video. I love the way my son's talking to you. I love that, D.K. I love the way my sons are talking to you. Chip. Okay, next guy up here. Shador Sanders, the quarterback out of Colorado, the son of Dion Sanders, 23 years old, six one and a half, 12 pounds, played two years at Jackson State under Dion Sanders, then moved to Colorado with his father, played two more seasons. The year before they were there, Colorado was one and 11. By year two, they finished the season in the top 25. DK. Yeah. Do you want heads or tails? What are you feeling? I want tails. You want tails? Think. Okay. I think flipping. Do you change your mind on heads and tails based on the flip? I just go heads for every flip

tail every quintos I've ever called him my entire life. Oh, really? No, I don't. I don't. I don't know. I could count on... Vives. Five days. I let it speak to me in the moment. I could count on a couple hands how many times

I've ever called tales of my entire life. Well, it is tails. Fuck. D.K. Tales ever fails. DK. Why should I not draft Shador Sanders? All right.

Look. Below average size, below average traits, basically no exceptional traits, physically speaking. You want to spend an early first round pick on that? He is a little bit slow. I'll give you an exceptional trait.

The Dion Sanders DNA. Well, that was a rhetorical question, Craig. You're not supposed to be answering these things. Sorry, sorry. Okay, look, he's tough in the pocket, but he's also a beat slow getting the ball out. That leads to an insane amount of sacks. He has a tendency to drift into pressure,

tied for the FBS high last year with 41 sacks, finished second in the FBS last, in 20223 with 49 sacks. That's not the type of thing that goes away in the pros. This is kind of like one of the lessons we learned with Caleb Williams, where I kind of was able to hand wave the sack thing with Caleb Williams, the pressure to sack ratio. It was slightly worrying, but I was like, man, he's just so exciting and so dynamic. He can get out of the, he can get out of jams.

But turns out, guess what? It is a really huge problem when you take a lot of sacks. Sacks are a drive killer. So this is something pretty major that I'm worried about with Shudor Sanders. And he doesn't have the physical traits, the physical dynamism that Caleb Williams has to escape pockets and get out, get out of the pocket, get out of pressure, all that stuff. This is my worry that the sacks are a fatal flaw,

and he doesn't have the physical traits to kind of make up for that. Also, the Dion Circus is not going away, even though he did get extended at Colorado. It's just going to be a storyline every week. What's Deion got to say about this, that, or the other thing? Hi, Fitz. Sorry, that really caught up. He said Colorado.

Colorado. Colorado. The state of Colorado. Colorado. Well, I've been calling it Colorado. Colorado. It is just switched. It's Nevada and Texas.

Colorado. It's like people who say Oregon versus Oregon. I don't think anybody actually really does Oregon. I've heard Oregon. You say Jaguar. I think I think Jaguar is wilder to me than. You say tournament and I say tournament. Well, that's an accent. It's regional diction

guy. I'd like to hear from Coloradans what the pronunciation is. Colorado. Colorado. I don't even think you know what you say typically. I honestly don't know. I think I usually say Colorado. They're asking like, whether you want a seat or not. You change it every time.

Yeah. Colorado. Okay. Hi-Fat. D-K. I'm muting your mic. It is now high of his turn to speak. Why should I draft him?

Why should I draft Shador Sanders? Because what if I told you there was a quarterback in this year's draft who was highly experienced four years as a starter. High football IQ, accurate, tough as nails, a calculated gunslinger who, I mean, they had no running game, extends players to give his guys a chance. It's the only way they could win games was him doing that. And they did. Big 12 offensive player of the year.

The Johnny United's Golden Arm Award. winner, which I don't even know what that is, but Jane and Daniels Barrow and the luck won it. Sounds cool. Golden arm. Teammates love him. Ball is left tackle, a Maybach. Maybach, speaking of things I don't know how to pronounce, but that's sick. Also, his father is probably the best NFL quarterback of all time. So corner back.

Well, I know, but if I say it slowly like that, like it sounds like quarterback and I tricks and people. And then like, they always say NFL bloodline, Hall of Fame Bloodline, and also personally mentored by Tom Brady. if I saw all that in the draft, I would say, where do I sign? I have a theory that the best children of athletes that make it, usually their parents are not elite professional athletes. It is always the mid-tier professional athletes. It's like, it's like Steph Curry with Del Curry, Clay Thompson, with Michael Thompson.

To me, it's like the sons of Michael Jordan, the sons of LeBron James, those people usually struggle the most. And Dion and Shador, unfortunately, fall into. the latter category where the genetics usually don't you know, they're not equal passing down to your to your child.

Let's hear Vladimir Guerrero. Yeah. Just cite a $500 million contract. Yeah, there are a few. It's like, Ken Griffey was pretty good, but he, I don't know, was Ken Griffey's a Hall of Famer? No, right? His dad, no.

His dad was no. Ken Griffey senior was not a Hall of Fame. He was good. He was like a three-year All-Star, something like that. But it's rare that you get the Hall of Fame talent producing a Hall of Fame offspring. That rarely happens. There's not that many Hallfamers.

But yeah, no, I like, you're helping my argument, actually. No, wait. Which one? What's that? You just argue for. Fuck, I forgot. Highfids. If I asked you to guess, which player on Colorado or Colorado was Deon Sanders' son, who

would you say? D.K., that should have been in your face. Yeah. Which guy? I said that earlier. On the Colorado team, I'm going to keep saying it. Definitely would say Travis Hunter is probably Dion Sanders' son. if I had just watched them.

But that's not the point. I think that to me, like... How much of this is... You can make the case that Shador had a terrible O'Line in Colorado. Couldn't run the ball. Sure, of course. They had the good receivers. But, like, it's not like the infrastructure around him

was exactly Ohio State. So, like, D.K., how much do you factor that into your analysis of what he was able to do last year? I mean, I think it's definitely a factor. It's a variable. And like we talk about, you know, ad nauseum with the quarterbacks, so much has some. to do with surrounding systems, supporting cast, the offense, all that stuff.

So I'm definitely not writing off Shudor Sanders as someone who can improve in that area in terms of, like, his pressure to sacrate and just overall the amount of sacks he takes. I'm not totally writing them off. I'm just worried. It does worry me a lot. So I think there's the criticisms of Shadur. I think you divide it into on-field and off-field. And the off-field's not what you usually say.

It's just the D-on of it. And we'll put in the Shudor's person. Let's just put that to the side for a second. The on-field criticisms of Shudor, as Deke mentioned, are basically, arm strength, athleticism, and then like the play style. The arm strength thing, I think, is so overblown because, like, he is NFL level arm strength. He's, or Shadur Sanders is not going to have, like, Justin Herbert arm strength or Mahm's arm strength. But neither does Joe Burrow.

Like, Shudor Sanders absolutely has, like, NFL level arm strength. Also, he has more pitches. Like, you know, you know, Shudor Sanders does not have the arm strength of Anthony Richardson. I would argue Shudor Sanders might have more arm talent than Anthony Richardson because he actually is accurate enough to put the ball where it needs to go and layer it over a linebacker over a defender and drop it where it needs to go. So I would say, like just the yes, no test of, this is arm awesome is ridiculous because Shadur has the accuracy. The other thing I'd say is that is, I don't even dismiss anything TK's saying. Shudor's play style is crazy because if you

watch just bailing from pockets back and like trying to make stuff happen totally. But the reason, but the question is like, why? Like, why is Shudur doing that? The answer is Colorado sucked. Yeah. They had no running game whatsoever. Shadur literally had to win every game. There was no running game. Defenses knew they had no running game. They were played so aggressively and it was just like, get the ball to Travis on her. Teams try to double Travis on her. Yes, there's a lot of screens. There's so many screens because they had a running game.

And so I think that Shadur had, and also his dad's the coach, he had the mandate to just go make stuff happen. You know what? They won a lot of games. Like, compared where the program was before, like, they won a lot of games. Does it, High Fitz, does it worry you that he's only ever played for his dad? I think it's, I think it's,

look, obviously. Taking off the constructs of the It has to. Of this game. That is weird. I think that's like a weird thing. He's essentially been, he's a homeschooled athlete

for the last 10 years of his life. Going to high school after being homeschooled this whole life. Yeah. You know, Deon's a little snowplow parent. I get that. I also, but also the idea that you might not take a good quote.

And here's the other thing. It reminds me of what Mike Tomlin said on the flying coach when Craig was producing Flyer coach. Great podcast. This season with McVeigh and Peter Schrager and Tom, and Thomas talked about this on the pivot pod. And like, coaches shirking the response

of coaching and the dirty secret that coaches don't necessarily want to coach everyone and that if they don't like a player or they don't believe in a player they don't want to coach him and mike tomlin's secret sauce is coaching all the players kind of like how some of the most successful car dealers don't actually judge whoever walks through the door they treat everyone equally mike thomas tries to coach everyone there is something to be said of they're so afraid that shitter's not coachable that they haven't considered that the hall of fame quarterback who's obsessed with tom brady might what what if he's actually super coachable you know what i mean is that why they traded kenny picket after like two years? I don't get it.

Tomlin was like, I can't coach this guy. Well, no, he just sucked. That was a mistake. That was a bad bit. Okay, okay. Like, I, like, I know what I'm saying with Shadur is like for so many, look, Shudor, I will say, should have said all the right things. Shudor said, basically, he worships Tom Brady. He's, Shadur said stuff like, I'm okay sitting. I don't remember the last top prospect that was like, yeah, I'm cool sitting for like a long time. And I'm just saying, like, with Shudur, the idea that he bailes from these pockets, so he's incapable of of playing in the pocket.

All right, so he's going to have to learn a little bit to play from the pocket. Guess what? All the quarterbacks who are rookies have to learn from the play from the pocket. All the, like, there, it's very rare to get an Andrew Luck who's just out of the box playing from the pocket.

So I just really do think that Shadur, like, the IQ is very underrated. And so I think that if Shadur goes to a team with an actual running game, I think people might be like, it's the week one test. How many quarters do you need to see if Shudor? Let's say Shadur falls in the draft.

It goes to whoever you want, but a team with a solid one. line. How many quarters of Shadur actually playing an actual drop back passing game from the pockets? You're like, oh, like, he's good. I can't believe he wasn't taken in the top 20 picks. Because I think I'd only need to see like three quarters

of Shadur playing in a real offense for me to be like, oh my God, I can't believe everyone let this happen. You touched on a good point there. I think with Shador specifically, I don't think he's like a Justin Herbert or a borough where it's like, I kind of think you could just drop him on any team and the team immediately wins like seven, eight games. I think Chodor is the type of guy where it's like, sure, if he gets to be in an offense, that's like a Minnesota, a San Francisco, on a team that already has some infrastructure around him,

he probably could succeed early. But if he does get drafted by like the Giants or the Browns at two or three, to me, this could go sideways pretty quickly because then you start to talk yourself into all the other stuff that you just outlined, or that D.K. just outlined. And you're like, all right, this guy's only been coached by his dad. Physically, he's already probably in the bottom five or seven at the quarterback. position in terms of just what he's capable of physically. He's undersized.

In a world of superhero QBs, you're going to... I don't love when the first trait you say about somebody's like, oh, what do you think about Shadur Sanders? Oh, he's really tough. It's like, man, that's like saying a girl's really nice, you know? It's like, they're all tough. These are football players. Sweetheart.

I concede that Shudder Sanders does not have an elite ceiling. He doesn't have necessarily a physical superhero trait. Like, the reality, yeah, I could say he's a cornerback body that he got from Dion and didn't get Deon's cornerback athleticism. Like, that's the reality. flip side is, I think everyone's so obsessed with not having the physicality that people actually kind of underrate Shradur's IQ, which is what everyone says about quarterbacking is that above the neck is more important than below the neck. And then you actually see a player like this that you don't

usually see having that skill set and everyone ignores the IQ. And all that's to say, I totally concede the athleticism thing. I also would like to point out the highest paid player in the history of the NFL is Kirk fucking cousins. So the idea that you cannot be necessarily the most traditional athlete and not have a decade long career as an NFL starter where when you hit free agency teams fucking clamber over themselves. And that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying Shadur is going to be at any point a top three quarterback.

He'll never be Josh Allen or my homes. I also do think that what year is it? 2025. I think Shudor Sanders is still starting the NFL in 2035. That's what I'm saying. I think that's a very fair point. I think Shadour has a rare blend. I still can't really figure it out. He has a rare blend of humility and cockiness where

there are some things he says, like where he's like, I don't care where I go. I'm happy to sit for a year that you're like, all right, this guy has his head on right. And then there's other parts where he's like, I get paid to, to Schill Gatorade. Like, I'm a brand. And you're like, I don't love that. I'll tell you exactly what it is. I'm a business, man.

It's the Bill Belichick, Bill Parcell's in the 80s when he was the Giants had coach in part and Belichick was the Giants defensive coordinator. Parcell's nickname Belichick Doom because he was so awful to be around. And Belichick loved it because he realized that if his reputation was as an asshole. Yeah. The bar for being nice to people to get them to like you was so low. Like if he just smiled, people are like, you know, he's not so bad. It's just happiness, happiness is reality.

If people expect Belichick to be awesome, you could disappoint. So that Shadur, if everyone expects you to be cocky. Yeah. And you just say, yeah, I'll sit for a year. You're like, dude, humble. Right. There's like kind of a nice blend going on. It's kind of like that Shalame speech that he gave at the Golden Globes was it when he

was like, I want to be the best of all time. Like, I want to be up there with De Niro and Daniel DeLewis. And it was kind of like, I don't know if I respect this or this is like, in real poor taste. But I think ultimately everybody left being like this kid's young and hungry and you have to respect

what he's going for. And I kind of think Chador is towing that line kind of nicely for how famous he is and who his dad is for all the media hoopla around him. And the last thing I'll say

on this is that I think Shadur frankly has a lot of intangibles and this is like a little third rail we're going to touch. There are things about Shadur that I think like if he were a white quarterback from Duke like a Daniel Jones,

people would be like raving about intangible. tangibles, like the toughness. I didn't like Daniel Jones for the record. No, no, I never liked Daniel. I hate him. But the point is, I just think there are certain highlights of Shudur that the combo of just the fame and the wealth and just everything. And like, I think that goes underrated.

He is so tough. He gets the absolute shit kicked out of him. And he gets up, like, so confidently. Like, he puts his body on the line. And then also, but the teammates for better or worse, the teammates like him. Again, I love that he gave the Maybach to the left tackle. I don't know how to say that word, but also the IQ stuff. I think that that's also like a huge intangible that doesn't get talked about enough with him.

I'm a big believer that like he's just, he gets football. Like he understands what's happening on the field in my opinion. Okay, so gun to your head. If the Giants take him, you're going to be excited or sad? Have you been committing to this bit the entire time or are you now just speaking as yourself? High fits. Like has the last five minutes been how you actually feel? Are you still in like the-

They take him over? I believe in Chudur. My only hesitation with it is that I am as in and Travis Hunter as they've ever been on a non-quarterback. So I think that the simplest answer is if the Giants at the fourth pick, I want Chadour. I am conflicted about Chadur versus Travis Hunter or Carter. But that's because I'm being honest that like I do think Shadir probably needs a better offensive line. But reality, I kind of think Shadur with Malik neighbors and like the Giants' offense would work. But like if we're being honest, the best thing for sure.

Shadur is sliding and then going to a better team. Like if he went to the Rams and sat by and learned from McVeigh and Stafford for a couple of years, I think Shadur actually would start for 12 years. DK, I was shocked that in your case against him, you didn't bring up the fact that he has a podcast already. He does. I actually know that. He's had a podcast for the last year. Can I like, can I forfeit my case? Can I strike a

He has not listened to it? He's like reacting to news. He put up an episode two days ago reacting to the giant signing James Swinson and Russell Wilson. He's in it. He's making constant. You think he would come on our podcast? He's making content. He has 111 subscribers on you. 111,000 subscribers on our show and flip the coin about what they had to offend himself.

Do you remember when Russell Wilson became like the editor of the Players Tribune or something? I can't remember what he was. He became the, or did he just have like edit his own? I think that's how like, like, Trey Young is the assistant GM for Oklahoma. I'm like, yeah, sure, that's a Trey Young. Yeah, I was like, I just imagine. Russell Wilson fucking trade like trading notes in Google Docs with like one of his writers as he's going through the. the editing process,

passing it on to the fact checkers, you know, Russell Wilson, he's got time to do this. The podcast, by the way, Shador's podcast, it's called Too Legendary with Shador Sanders. Yeah.

Anyway, all right, next guy here. Russell's a senior editor at the player's tribune. Sorry, continue. Jackson Dart, quarterback out of Ole Miss, 6-2-223 pounds.

He'll be 22 years old in May, so he's the youngest of the crop we're talking about today. He's played four years in college, the first at USC, and then he transferred when Lincoln Riley and Caleb Williams came in town. And now he spent three years at Ole Miss. And he kind of looks like the villain in a Disney Channel original movie.

Hi Fitz. You want heads or tails here? Wait, so heads is four and tails is against? Yep. I want tails. So far everyone's been getting what they don't want. You want tails? It is tails.

Thank God. Shoot. Do I go first? Hyvitz, go ahead. Tell me why I should reach for Jackson, DART. Wait, am I arguing for him or against him? Oh, wait, sorry. Tails is against. Hyphins is against, yeah.

Hyvitz, tell me why I should never fucking reach for Jackson Dardt. This guy's, like, he's not an NFL quarterback. Jackson Dard is not an NFL quarterback. Like, I could go on, but that's, like, that's, you probably should. Okay. I'm not convinced. Tell me why. What does this guy do? Like, the Lane Kiffin, this offense, it'll miss.

What would you say you do here? Jackson Dardt, not asked to go through progressions, not asked to anticipate. anticipate throws. It's like guy open, throw to guy. So you kind of have to teach him football. And then also, usually guys like that, he's like, well, he's prototypical size. You know, he's 6.6 and 240. No, he's 6.2. 220, like everyone else in this class. Like, he doesn't, like, he has arm strength. I wouldn't even necessarily say he necessarily has the accuracy. I think the accuracy kind of comes and goes. It's like, cool to watch him throw something deep at the combine. But in reality, like, I am not convinced that he actually has any of the things you want to talk yourself

into these guys. It's the idea that we actually got ourselves frothed up of Steelers, you know, maybe they get darted at 21st. Frothed up is a I don't like that term. Okay, Mr.

going to call every blue sky post a ski. Calm down over there. I'm going to go to and O right now. I'm going to say skeet ten times an episode, but froth is where you stop. Stop. Actually, I support both now. I change my mind.

The point is, Jackson, there's a, chance Jackson Dart to the Steelers of 21 would actually be just as bad as Kenny Pickett, who is last in every category in an F-Listery. That's a strong closing statement. I know. Mr. Kelly? Okay, so. Tell me why I should reach.

If I'm the Steelers, why would I take a shot? Craig, have he considered the fact his name is Jackson with an X? Okay. Jackson Dart. But it's not just Jackson with an X. Like, I have a friend named Jack who tells his name J-A-S-O-N. Yes. It's J-A-X-S-O-N. Which is the kind of name that, like, in Madden or College Football 25, they have cool names like that to signal that the sixth-round guy or the, like, two-star prospects, actually incredible.

And it doesn't make sense. The X already has the S sound in it. Why do you need the X? I actually, can I submit an identity of the court? Did you guys know that not only is Jackson Darts named Jackson. Jackson DART is a little brother named Diesel DART. No. Get the fuck out. Stop it. Diesel Dart. I'm so upset. is diesel? Is it diesel or diesel, by the way? No, it's diesel. Well, the word?

Let's not get into it. That goes back. I say diesel. I mean, people have been arguing after centuries. Yeah. I didn't know. Argument is all this time. Diesel dart.

His real name is diesel. It can't be diesel, dude. It's fucking diesel. His real name is diesel. Dane Brugler, the beast. Shout out Dane Brugler with the unbelievable the beast. He has this giant scouting port. It's diesel dart.

He's a receiver. This is. reminds me of how Brock Purdy's brother's name is Chubba. Well, that's a nickname. They gave him, that's even worse because they gave him a real name and then he was born and they're like, we're going to call you Chubba. We like that better than the name. His name's not even Chubba?

This is devastating. Diesel Dart might go to San Diego State. Oh, you're all in. Now you've got to get out. Craig. Now you've got to get it on the NIL. He has two offers, Old Miss and SDSU. So if you donate, how does it work with NAL?

If you donate to your school. You got diesel and your market to be like four D. Diesel dart only? I hope, yeah, I want to try. This is to buy diesel dart a burrito from Trujillo's. All right. Here's my defense of Jackson Dart. Three-year starter, good experience, played a lot of football, which is always a good thing.

Last year, big play aficionado. I'm serious. I think it is a good thing. I'm awarding 25 cents to Danny hyphens already. For saying that it's good to have experience? You just starting with like three-year start? experience is good. It's not even in you.

I don't feel it. This is not full-throated. Craig. How does this do? Does this do anything for you? Danny, sell me on Jackson Dart. Best in FBS in touchdown throws

of 20 plus yards, 17. 29 big-time throws, according to PFF, which is fourth most. Big-time throws are the throws that are deemed really, really, like, very, very high degree of difficulty throws.

Okay. Fourth in the country in those. Really good, under pressure, some of the best pressure numbers, according to PFF, with a guy in his face. All right. throws a catchable ball, layers, passes, good touch and placement. Again, I say, three-year starter, it is important.

This is a big thing. Also, he's pretty athletic. He's not super tall, but he's athletic. He's muscular. He's got a good frame, aggressive mentality. And again, I say he will throw with guys in his face, which I definitely respect a lot. This is as full-throated as I'm going to get on Jackson Dart.

Okay. All right. I still think I'm going to award 25 cents to Danny Heiss on Jackson Dart. You know what's tough about stuff? Because he's started a lot of games. Come on. You know what's tough about guys like Jackson Dart? For normal people who watch college football as a fan,

maybe they're watching highlights on YouTube, the people are not grinding tape. It's tough because, like, half these guys in college, they all look good because every time they drop back, they just throw a 50-yard bomb to a guy's wide fucking open. You know what I mean? I don't know if Jackson Dart is good or not because there's 15 minute reels on YouTube

of him just throwing a wide open guys. And it's so funny too where we joke about how like every player you've ever seen in any sport on television is the best player in the history of wherever they're from. And any quarterback that's good enough to be drafted, the resumes are insane. And it's like Jackson Dart, like I'm going to do Dickey's job for him for a second, Broke Eli Manning's record at Ole Miss.

Jackson Dart was the Gatorade National Football Player of the Year in high school. and he sucks. And like, that's crazy. Like, the bar to be an NFL quarterback. Like, I think we were talking of this. I don't remember if this was on the pot of real life. But standard deviations is a nerdy concept.

I actually think athletes are the best athleticism, the best real life application of standard deviations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's an entire deviation between like us playing. The local Luke Griddauer. Yeah, like, yeah, like between us playing basketball and the best player at our high school and the best player at our high school basketball and D3 and D3 to D1.

And like, even the best player in D1, to NFL is like another deviate. Like it's actually crazy how big the gap is. He's not good. I'm still, even though you just argued Ford D-K, kind of, I'm still awarding you the quarter. All right, next guy, Tyler Shuck,

spelled S-H-O-U-G-H, but it is pronounced Shuck. He's out of Louisville. This is a bit of a longer preamble here, so give me a second. He's 6-5, 220 pounds. He's 25 years old, but he's going to be 26, basically,

when the season begins. when he first he went to Oregon was his first college in 2018 at that time Trump was two years into his first term as president

the first Black Panther film came out in 2018 he was Justin Herbert's backup Justin Herbert has played five seasons in the NFL Craig he was I believe

he can fact check me on this I believe he was Justin Herbert's backup in his second season that is correct he was at the same high school classes he was the backup

to a guy who's played five NFL seasons he was a Dude, he was in Trevor Lawrence's recruiting class. And Trevor Lawrence has had four head coaches. Trevor Lawrence is on his second contract already. So there are reasons why. So he followed up Justin Herbert at Oregon in the COVID year.

Then he transfers to Texas Tech for three years. Now at Texas Tech, he broke his collarbone, missed year one. He injured his shoulder and missed six games in year two. And then he broke his fivula in year three. Now finally, year four. 3,100 yards, 23 touchdown, six picks, eight and four record. Tyler Shuck High Fitz

Shuck Do you want heads or tails I would like tails I would like to go I don't want to argue for this guy It is

Heads Fuck That means High Fits Please make the case For Tyler Shuck Why is he the most Underrated quarterback

Slept on quarterback In his draft You know Craig Youth is wasted On the young Right It's a reason That's thousands of years old

If it start with the fact That he started a lot of games Started a lot of games. I forgot to say he transferred to Louisville after those texts. So the great season was at Louisville. But anyway, look, Tyler Shuck, again, he's tall. Right. Big guy, six, five.

If it's literally first note I have, he's very tall. Super tall. Tuller than the other guys. Look, that matters. He's the tallest. Three inches taller than the other guys. I would argue that, you know, sizes and everything, but three inches is right around where you're like, oh, wow.

It makes a difference. So that's a pretty big deal. I would also argue that the maturity, Again, some of these guys, they're just dumb. They're young. Like, the problem with these guys coming out isn't always the lack of experience. It's that they're stupid because they're 22 and the brains aren't done developing. Tyler Shuck's brain developed.

It's like-oldy-line decaying. He has four college degrees, you guys. Dude, that guy is so smart. He has four fucking degrees. Off the charts. Derogatory, maybe. He actually, I think he's the, I don't know how many guys in this class at any quarterback actually did anything with play action.

I have a question. How many medical red shirts can you get? you keep getting injured, can you stay in college forever? There was a lot, no, there was that Miami tight end who had like nine years. Right. Because he had COVID. Like, if you break your leg in week three every year, how long can you stay in college? I think the answer is nine.

Oh, it's nine? Nine plus COVID. So seven, I don't know. So are you telling me Tyler Shuck could have gone back to school? He's like, hold on. I don't need to get my PhD. He should have done to Cam Ward. Go back to school.

He could be the first pick next year. That's what he's a huge steal. Like, you're getting him. He can be the first pick next year if he went back to school. coming out because he's got to feed the family. And unfortunately, if he doesn't get a job, then he'll be off his parents' health care. You know, so that's like, you know,

he really needs to get drafted. It's going to have to get Cobra. So, wait, have you concluded your pitch for Tyler Shuck? Wait, did you say anything good about him? Tell me something about him. Tell me something about him. You know, you're my consultant. I'm on the clock.

I'm debating taking him or a detack. Why should I take him? Because he's, I think he's the only guy in this, he's one of the only guy. guys in this class that has what you would want with an NFL frame and I actually think he can like play quarterback and like I know that's the silly thing you say like he can

play quarterback and you're going to be able to get him in like the fucking sixth round because he's no he's going to be earlier than that what why because he's good uh he has a live arm I'd say he has some pretty impressive throws on tape are we just like breaking character here he has a very he has a low pressure to sacrate which is really

a good thing um he has a lot of the cam board where he drops his arm and makes a little whip throw to like avoid a pass rusher in his face, things like that. He has a little bit of magic making talent in terms of outside of structure, getting around, making plays, you know, running around. He loves to go to his left and throw with his right hand. Make some cool throws that way. So I think there are some things.

I think that's all the time we got Craig, right? There are some things to like here's usually the two candidates never agree. I don't know what to do here. That's it. That was my preamble. And the bottom line is I went in, I'll be honest, sometimes you have a bias in these things. I went in wanting to like him because I was, I thought people are making fun of this guy because he's a seventh year. He literally has been in college for seven years.

And we made fun of Bo Nix a lot for that. And I'm just like, maybe, you know, there's something here. He got hurt a bunch. Like, he just kind of fell through the cracks every year. I had to keep staying in school and looking for his best opportunity. And guess what? When he came back as a seventh year senior, he'd made the best of it and he did pretty well. However, when I watched him, I really didn't like him at all.

I mean, again, there are some things to like, but I didn't like him as much as I was hoping I would like him because I have a sinking feeling the Seahawks are going to take this guy in the second round for some reason because he's just like John Schneider's fucking dream. But here's some cons. He's been in the college for the better part of a decade. Massive injury red flags. He's had three separate season-ending injuries in college. I mentioned he doesn't take a lot of sacks. well, that's because he throws the ball away, like, so much. Just so much.

It's actually really annoying watching his tape because he just, the second pressure arrives, he just goes, ah, it like throws it out of bounds. Like Aaron Rogers? Second most throwways in college football last year. And in addition to that, when he's not throwing it out of bounds, he falls away from throws. He's constantly fading away from throws, putting it into danger. The ball flutters and floats when he's, like, not setting his feet.

I think his footwork is pretty hit or miss, especially considering he's been in college for this long. You'd think you'd have a little bit cleaner footwork. He's late to throw. I just didn't really like him, which means, you know, the world is weird, and he's probably getting up a really good starter.

But I was not impressed. That being said, I think he has like the upside to be a starter. I just think you'd think you'd see more from a guy who's been called for seven years. Why is he John Snyder's kind of perfect quarterback? He's just like big, sneaky athletic, live arm. He ran a 4-640. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tough. There's like the grit factory. He keeps coming back from injuries. Yeah, he ran a 4-6-3, which was kind of. He's pretty athletic. He runs around. Like I said, he's got that. He's got some magic to him.

There's some splashy plays out there. Yeah, I think honestly. There's a couple like Matt Stafford. He's rolling right or he's rolling left, turns around like, whips a ball. Yeah, he's doing like the sidearm, like the second baseman throw or whatever. I don't know. I think, I think. honestly, and again, this, a lot of

scouting and all this comes down to like a little bit of biases, but the way he kept throwing the football away, just drove me nuts. Like, it just drove me nuts when I was watching it. And I don't, obviously, that's something that he can coach up. Who is, um, who is his comp to you? Uh, who did I have? I think

Josh McCown. I actually literally comped him to Van Wilder, but he, like a Josh McCown type of guy where he's like physically looks the part. You could come in and I could see him be a starter for short spurts. You know, Mike White style. Um, Josh McCown, the third best Jets quarterback ever. About Josh McCown?

Yeah, that's the low bar, but yeah. Okay, Josh McCown. So maybe that's the, that's like the... You could have just said, my comp for him is Josh McCown. That could have been your whole argument. Future coach. All right. Future coach.

Last guy here. Jalen Milrow, quarterback out of Alabama, 6-2, 217 pounds, slightly lighter than I thought he would be. 22 years old. He's played four years at Alabama. He started the last two. And he recently accepted his invitation to the NFL draft. He will be there in Green Bay, Jalen Milrow. D.K. Heads or tails? Which would you prefer? I kind of want heads, to be honest. He's my irrational love guy. It is? Heads. Yeah. I think this is good. This actually works out for Haifitz because Heifitz isn't lying in hype. You know what? Like, I understand why you might not. But

Hear me out. Why should I not listen to the haters about Jalen Milrow? Why should I believe? Why should I dare to believe? Do you, does it interest you at all to have in a guy that has an extremely strong rocket launcher arm and can run a 4-3? Okay. How's that, how's that do it for you? All right.

That's not bad. Keep going. He is actually a, I think he's a rare talent as a runner. This guy could be a running back if he really wanted to be. Extremely explosive, elite acceleration. he weaves through traffic he like avoids tackles

but like also he has the ability I've seen on tape like he can turn his back to the to the line and throw off play action he's comfortable doing that he has a really strong arm there are some flashes of elite accuracy and things like that obviously he's still developing

as a pastor that is like I'm not going to even pretend that's not the case but I think the traits are so exciting I would be a hundred percent willing to take a chance on this guy. Worst case scenario, you turn him into Taseham Hill or something. You know what I mean? I think he's so special as an athlete.

I just want to bring him into the building and develop him. Hi, Vince. Yeah, my argument is my favorite football analyst, Danny Kelly, said yesterday, and I quote, the only guy who excites me even a little bit is Jalen Milrow and he can't throw. He can throw. It doesn't always end up where it's supposed to go. He can physically throw the ball. He can physically throw the ball.

Is he better or worse than Anthony Richard? in at throwing the football. Worse. I actually would say significantly. I would say Richardson's pocket presence is a lot better. I think Richardson's probably not as accurate, though. Wouldn't you say? Richardson can't hit a fucking like five yard out.

Nothing Miller does is consistent. Like at the end of the day, like, sure. The throwing motion is inconsistent, so the throws are inconsistent. Nothing is like in tandem together. Like he wants to play. That's why I said flashes. He has flashes. He needs to get more consistent.

If he was a home, you don't like remodel the throwing motion. You kind of have to rebuild it. Like in all seriousness, I think the upside, like if I ran an NFL team and I drafted Jalen Milrow, one, I would be like, wow, cool, we drafted Tase Mill. But like, that's derogatory. No, yeah. You would honestly, the first thing you would do is you'd have to send him to one of the private quarterback trainers and just change how he throws the football.

And then just stick him in VR because it's going to be so long until you can actually get him reps and practice. So he's a projection? kind of like Jackson DART I think it is I mean it is more than a projection

he has to rebuild that he throws a football and like I agree like I don't know I feel like that's being I think that's like a little bit too harsh on his inability to throw football harser than he can't throw which you said yesterday

dude first of all I was being sarcastic yeah second of all you just fucking telling everyone what I said off the record. He could sue you for that. Yeah, this is libel. Lebel. Remember? Yeah, you called it Lebel. That's worse than anything I've done. It's worse than fucking getting maestro wrong.

I think that's a little bit overstating how he can't throw the football, even though I know I did say that as a joke, you jerk. The other thing I would mention is everything you hear about Jalen Milrow is he's like the best guy ever, extremely hard worker, wants to be great, wants to improve. he's not just like some diva who's going to go in and rest on his laurels, rest on his athleticism. So again, I'm not saying I would bring him in and start him right away. I think he has extremely exciting traits that you could develop. And that's not necessarily true with a lot of these other guys. Who is your comp for Jalen Milro?

Justin Fields. So again, I'm not taking him high in the first round. Sure. I mean, Justin Fields is the third pick in the draft. Yeah. And Anthony Richardson was the fourth pick of the draft. 11th? Dustin Fields?

Yeah, Fields was like the 10th or something. Yeah, because the Giants and Bears swapped and then the Giants declined to take Micah Parsons and Johnson Smith. Oh, why did I feel like he went super high? The Giants could have Micah Parsons. They traded back to the Bears did trade up for him.

Oh, right. Right. Yeah, it's fine. I'm over it. But yeah. Look, to be totally honest, I actually, to be totally honest, I actually think that Milro could be an NFL quarterback if a really good NFL team, like the Eagles,

took him and stuck him as the third quarterback. back behind Jalen Hertz because he's not ready to back up Jalen Hertz. And he needed his at least a year. But honestly, he's Bruno Cabicole, that meme from the NBA draft 10 years ago. As a passer, Jalen Milrow is two years away from being two years away. I totally concede that physically has the upside to actually be like, he has a superpower. The rushing is a superpower. And if he actually became like a competent NFL passer, like it actually, he would

absolutely be a game changer. But like he is years plural away from even being like a backup for the for a team like the Eagles. I think that's a team who is the luxury to devote resources to develop it. I'm very nervous that the Steelers are going to take him. I get this, I get the swing. I think that it's the kind of thing that I would love a team to take that swing in the fourth round, but you're going to have to go much higher than that, and that's what concerns me is.

I mean, him attending the draft is pretty weird, wouldn't you say? I would have led that with DK. If I was DK, I would have led with, like, he literally got invited to the green room of the NFL draft, so like the NFL thinks he might go in the first round, which is wild to me. What are the odds right now? I don't know. I imagine if like the Rams took fucking jail in Milro. Wouldn't that be crazy?

The reason why I think the Steelers could talk themselves into it is like you bring in Rogers, Milrose the backup. I think they kind of liked that Justin Fields package where he would come in on short yardage plays, which you can't do with Aaron Rogers. I kind of could see a world in which they think that pairing could work and he develops for a year under him. I don't want that at all. I mean, the Steelers don't even have a second round pick because of the DK Metcalf trade, which would mean we get one pick basically in the top 90

and it's Jalen Milrow to be a bad. I mean, that sounds horrific. But I'm nervous that that's where the Steelers' head is at right now. Because I don't think they have a ton of holes on their roster. And I think they think, hey, maybe we can make this work. Anyway. All right. So there are four other quarterbacks here that we wanted to flick at.

There's Will Howard out of Ohio State. Hi, Fitz. Do you want to do a quick coin flip on Will Howard, or do you want to just kind of tell me what you think about him? Speed round Will Howard. Just give the 30,000 foot view. Will Howard. I mean, all these other guys sucks, but I met Will Howard.

Nice guy. Nice guy. Firm handshake. Yeah, he looked me in the eyes. This is what happens with GMs and whatnot. Yeah, I met him. It was super nice, gracious. This is like how the Golden Globes work.

This is like the Hollywood form. They just want to hang out with celebrities and whichever one they hang out with the most wins. Yes. This is why I was mad about the Oppenheimer thing, Robert Donnie Jr. I was just mad that Robert Donny Jr. Met all these people. They were like, oh, my God, and voted for him.

He just charmed his shit out of everybody. So, yeah, Will Howard. He's going to be great because I met him. All these other guys suck. Will Howard, I got to say, had a fantastic college football playoff. Looked. Yeah.

Very, very, very, very confidential. Game manager. I would borderline say in those games, he was a bit above that. Made some plays. Quinn yours. Kyle McCord, who was the Ohio State quarterback.

Syracuse. And then it went to Syracuse, and he's in this draft. I'm actually kind of into Kyle McCord because I'm starting to wonder, maybe, everyone blamed Kyle McCord for Ohio State, but maybe it was Marvin Harrison Jr.

was the problem. Right. Kyle McCord maybe did his best, you know? Yeah. That's usually the receiver's fault. I went back to watch Kyle McCord last night to brush up on him, and the game I picked to watch was them against Pitt.

And I think it was like his first nine throws were like crimes against humanity. Like the worst throws I've ever seen in my life, including one pick six. I think another one was picked. I was like, I got the ick. I'm like, there's no coming back from this. I don't care if I could watch all the other games of his entire career.

I would never forget watching the first three minutes of this game. Okay, I want to quickly talk about Quinn Ewers here, the quarterback of Texas. Formerly the number one overall prospect in the country, I believe, right? He was the top quarterback prospect coming out of high school. What happened to Quinn Ewers and why is Quinn Ewers no longer? Like, D.K., what did the people ranking him see coming out of high school and how did that not translate to the college game? I don't know. Honestly, I wasn't doing the rankings.

I think it was like the dynamism in terms of like his arm talent, things like that. He's undersized. So here's why I don't like him. He's small. He gets hurt a lot. And he's inaccurate. That's what are we doing here? What are we doing here?

I don't get it. Why was he the number one quarterback in the country? I actually, that whole thing made me curious about how the scoring works for high school prospect. because it's like Quinn Ewer's got a perfect grade and Cam Newton wasn't even the number one prospect in his class. So I'm kind of like, I want to know how that stuff works personally.

I don't know. He had a really thick bullet. I think the actual argument for Quinn Ewers that I'd be intrigued in. If on the, because again, he's probably the most disappointing and college player I've ever seen from like the high school hype.

He should have gone back to school. I think that my, I would be interested in Quinn Ewers if he walks in the meeting rooms and in the interviews, they're kind of like, what happened? And his answer is, there was a lot of, lot of hype around me and I let it get to my head, but I know I'm a good player and I think

that like I have a chance here to make good because like if he kind of admits that it actually like his life and like he's the first wave of NIL and like he's in all these ads and everything and like that got to him and it was a lot. I'd be interested in that. Otherwise I don't really want him. But I can see him saying I got too big for the moment. I let it get to my head. I game kind of got away like a Spencer Rattler situation a little bit. Yes. Honestly, if you told me one of these quarterbacks actually does like a actually ends up playing in week nine for a shana like Miami and just actually plays just as well as two and everyone's stunned I would actually think Quinn Ewers could be that guy like could he be Brock Purdy yeah I think if there's a

Brock Purdy to me it's Quinn Ewers just because it is kind of weird his his college career was bizarre I would I would give that award to this next guy the last guy Dylan Gabriel the quarterback from Oregon formerly of Auburn D.K what would you say about him talk about undersized I would say yeah the big worry here is he's 511 and that's like being generous, I think. I don't remember exactly what he measured in it, but he's really small, and that's a problem. Obviously, like, Russell Wilson turned out to be a great quarterback at 5-11, 5-10 and change. So, Oklahoma, sorry, not Auburn. I was thinking about next. Well, he went to Oregon this last year.

Yeah, Oklahoma, then. UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon. And, I mean, if you look at his stats, it's actually absurd. He threw for 155 touchdowns in his college career, which is an all-time FBS D-1 record. He played six, he played six seasons. Well, he had the record. Did he have the record for a day or hours? Because, like, Cam Ward broke it, like, two days later or something. I don't know. Does Cam Ward have it?

I think he, I think. Cam Ward is the record. But Dill and Gabriel, I think, had... No, he was supposed to have it, and then they got knocked out of the college football playoff early, so he didn't get it. Yeah, I think that's right. He had 29 touchdowns in 2019. Oh, I think the reason they don't count it is because Cam Ward, some of his TDs were not in the FBS.

Anyway, Gabriel left-handed, short-handed. guy. So right off the bat, you think Tua. And he kind of looked like, obviously it's just because he's left-handed, but like, um, there's sort of that parallel. He's a big time playmaker. Honestly, of all the guys in this area, I, I think I would most want to take a risk on him. Because I think the big thing holding him back right now is just his height.

It's 5.11. Yeah. Yeah, but like, I never met Dylan Gabriel. Sure. Hype is his 511, you know? I don't see how he could be good. That's a very fair argument. Decent hand size for 5-11, 9-and-a-quarter.

Short arms. He set a bunch of records in high school. Yeah, he broke two his Hawaii high school state record for career passing yards. I think the Ohio State game was kind of an ick. That left a bad taste in my mouth. That was like the Michael Pennix Texas game, but the opposite. Yes. The C.J. Straught, Georgia game, but the opposite.

Yeah, those stuff. He kind of intrigues me. just as a developmental guy as well. I don't think any of these guys are going to be starters, but yeah. That was the coin flip game. Thank you to Dr. Mary Edwards Walker. For participating in today's episode.

Yeah, big time. We have a few things left. We get some emails, but first, we have to shout out the winner for a bracket challenge. We had, thank you. We had 5,000 people in the ESPN, the March Madness Bracket Challenge. The winner. 500, even.

Daniel Gualdoni. great job danio another god damn dany i can't get away from him how fitting dude uh so he won uh i could should i yeah i could read his address and we could swat him if you're mad but now his uh his bracket name was pancakes or waffles pancakes or waffles but no danny g uh i couldn't believe this got the final right obviously the florida the championship the final four the elite eight and even the sweet 16 he got every team in the sweet 16 which no offense i think says nothing about daniel galdoni and everything about this tournament. Of course. It was the most chalky tournament ever.

So we're not taking anything away from you though. No. We could literally if we wanted to. No, we're going to send them the shirt. We're going to send I almost in retrospect to feel like we should have did something more than a t-shirt for like a perfect Sweet 16. But I think a gentleman's piss club t-shirt is as as good as it gets.

It's priceless. So we will email you email us your address, Daniel, and we will send you that shirt. I already got it. That's why I offered to swat him. But we won't. a friend. So I don't know. I did ask him why waffles are pancakes and he said,

I'm just kind of a random dude and that's what came to my head. I love that, actually. It does raise the question though, which is better. I love this guy now. That's actually sick.

I think I love pancakes more. I'm kind of a random dude and it just came to my head. Pancakes and waffles. I think I would rather have pancakes more frequently, but every once in a while, a good waffle is amazing.

It might hit harder than pancakes. Daniel asked, are you guys eye hop or waffle house fans? I've never been to a waffle house. I've never been to a waffle house. It's funny you say that. I was going to say if you choose I hop, it's because you've never been to a waffle house. I actually like Denny's.

I don't think there is a more... I like none of those. There are very few places I'm like proud of. It's hoity tooty. Is it hooty to not want to eat an iHop? Yes. Okay. That is hooty-toe.

It's kind of the definition. Are you good for Denny's? I think there's a gray area there. Okay. I don't think it's like Michigan store or Denny's. I'm closer to D.K. I want Dane to go into a restaurant of that quality. DK., how often are you thinking about going to grab some lunch or breakfast or dinner and you're like, you know what?

I want to go to Denny's. A lot. Really? Yeah. Skiffy and I go to Denny's a lot. I don't like Denny's that of principle of just like Denny's is just a diner chain because of the East Coast. There's like actual family on diners. Right.

So like I just like the soul. of like some random family owns this. Craig won't be getting moons over my hammy. I feel like me being against a chain diner. No grand slams for Craig. I'm good. I'm good. I feel like it's not a hot take to be like, yeah, Denny's.

Let's say it's a hot take. I'm saying you're being hoity tooty. Because you refuse to go into a shitty day. I've eaten at IHop many times and Denny's. I've had many a grand slam. My only issue with YHop is, other than just pancakes, the Mitch Hedbert joke of like,

you have two and then you're sick of them and also once you're an adult pick. Can't be all exciting at first but by the end you're fucking sick of me. The syrup's always sticky. Like the syrup is always sticky. What syrup is not sticky? The fuck you're talking about. I'm saying the handles. Oh, the syrup bottle is sticking.

No, not literally. I'm saying the hand, picking them up. You should have led with that. Okay. Craig, Craig, Hyphitz is actually way more hoity-toity than you. The syrup bottle is sticky. I can't eat here. That's not what I said. Hyphins is sending the food back because the syrup bottle is sticky.

I have been many times. I just, there's not. never a moment where I'm like, you know what I'm craving right now? I'm not getting called hoity tooty because I was at a bachelor party. Coastal elite. Florida. Dude, Waffle House? We have to go to Waffle House sometime.

I'm just trolling. I'm just trolling you. I mean, isn't it a bad sign that the punishment for losing a fantasy league is being inside of one of these establishments for 24 hours? That's a punishment. No. Well, yeah. It's not a reward.

Where do you want to be 24 hours other than your home or hotel? Yes, I get to go to the Waffle House for 24 hours. Honestly, if I can. Dude, there are times I wish they'd been in a waffles for 24 hours. I've never been in a Waffle House, so maybe it'll blow my mind. I have to go to a Waffle House. You also got to learn how to order at Waffle House because there's all, it's so, it's, they're not the food business, they're in the people business.

Waffle House is a communal experience. No, clearly the coin landed on heads for Waffle House. No, no, no, no, no, no. If it's a shareholder. Email in, if you want to, if you want to petition on behalf of what I'm talking about, of people who love Waffle House and, like, Waffle House is, like, sacred. I know you've heard that. I've heard that.

I can't speak on Waffle House. I can't speak on Waffle House. Yeah, that's sure. I've never been to Waffle House. I can shit on Denny's and IHop. I can't shit on Waffle House. Maybe it's fucking awesome. But I will say, you know what the problem with IHop is to me?

The pancakes aren't that good. I can get better pancakes in a lot of other places. Well, yeah. Even a mom and pop diner, the pancakes are just better than IHops. No one here, Craig, is arguing the food is good. Okay. And yet, for some reason, you enjoy going, even though the food's bad. Yeah.

It's like going to a, dive bar. No. Yes. The beer is not worse at a dive bar. Well, that's debatable. Oh, come on. The Miller likes taste different.

The lines are pretty fucking dirty. Let's be honest. Maybe. It's the ambiance is what I'm saying, Craig. The ambiance. You love the ambiance on an eye hop? I do. Wouldn't the dive bar in this situation be the mom and pop diner and the chain bar be like the I hop?

yeah well yes i'm not i'm not saying i love that that denies is a chain the denies that we used to go to in seattle is in soto so it's like this really industrial shitty area and it's it's like there's just a charm about this like it's actually used to be for truckers and whatnot and it's you know they got the old style that you know the denny's style of building where it looks like um you know kind of like that knight hawks pick uh painting that's really famous where it's like the big bay windows in front. Yeah, the guy is sitting alone in that painting. Yeah.

Yeah. There's nobody else in the diner. Isn't there someone with him? It's a sanctuary. I think there's like one other woman or something. Yeah, there are a few people. Well, Craig, sometimes you just, you yearn for the minds. You yearn for shitty things.

Spiritually speaking, honey, shonis is my home. I actually completely understand yearning for shitty things. There's a novelty. There's a nostalgia to it. All I'm saying is, is like, objectively, Denny's is mid. By the way, there is a woman in Nighthawk. painting. There's two men. I honestly love that painting. Yeah.

Who's the artist? I don't know this. Edward Hopper. Edward Hopper. Yeah, he knows some Edward Hopper. Anyway, right, wait, here. Go through some other. I guess my LA is showing that I don't like Denny's. There was a Denny's across the street from the ringer when we, our first location. Oh, I'm not going to that one. I never won't, yeah. Denny's on sunset. Of course, you come to L.A. No, thanks.

I went to the, I went to the McDonald's on Sunday. Once at once I had my life changed forever. It was the worst restaurant in the world. You can't go to the McDonald's. That's the worst in and out. Actually, it was maybe a, maybe it was jack in the box. It was regardless.

It was the worst restaurant in the world. McDonald's, DC, but it is. There's a McDonald's on U Street that you do not want to go to. But yeah, email stories about the crazy McDonald's

in your towns that no one wants to go with crazy shit at McDonald's. The worst best restaurant. Yeah. Ring your Fancy Football. Gmail. Also, this is important.

Email is your take purges. We're going to do the take purge before the draft. I want to hear your take purges. It can be about this draft, about players, about what you want your team to do, but it could also be off-season,

trades, takes, last season, the next season, players, anything you're mad at us about, give us your take purges, email them to ringer fantasy football at gmail.com and we'll read the good ones on the take perch. Email those.

Also, got an email here from Arthur. Artie, about washing hands, because we've been talking about people in their offices, whether they wash hands or not. Arthur says, what's good chaps?

He's English. Oh, hello. Today I was in the office bathroom, diligent washing my hands after we. He said we. Oh, that's. Which is British, so it's fine, right? Did you say after, have a we? After a we or after we?

Oh, I've never heard of, how they say it? I feel like the British people drop like the, I don't know what the technical term is, like A's and does, the, the, the, before words and they just say a word. I think that's the thing. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway. In British. So he's in the bathroom. Correct me if I'm wrong, art.

All right. One of his work friends He says leaves a cubicle But he meant to stall And he says They call the cubicle a stall Wow, the cubicle? Is that bad that

What we call your office in England Is the fucking place you take a shit? I mean, it makes sense Well, I think we just came up with our office version Of the gentleman's piss club Gentleman's piss office Where the cubicle is the bathroom That's pretty good.

No, that's good. Yeah, wow. Anyway, so a guy leaves the stall And walks straight to the bathroom and I said, you should wash your hands. And he says, nah, I was just in there vaping. That took a turn. There's just smoke coming out of the top of the stall.

I think vaping is the most modern thing happening right now that people under 40 have no fucking clue is happening. Oh, I think they know what's happening. People under 40 or people over 40. But I don't think they know how like, I feel like there are certain things you have that feel like part of your body. And I think for people who vape, the vape is like part of your body,

like the way your phone wallet vape. But I feel like people, I don't know anyone over 50. Is it a Gen Z thing? Yeah, that creeps older. Yeah. Vapes are a thing when I was in college. Yeah, a lot of people in my generation

vaped. And then they realized it was like mainlining cigarettes. Right. I mean, that's the appeal. It's pretty cool to blow out smoke, though. Looks cool.

Sometimes the only thing about vapes is they're so, sometimes they're fucking huge. you know? Yeah. It's like you're holding like a remote control on the street. That thing can be like three pounds. And it lights up when you smoke it? Yeah.

There are the little, there's like jewels and stuff like that, which I'm pretty sure are jewels done? Are they outlawed? No. Like four loco? Like everyone realized? I thought there was something like wrong with, I thought there was some.

Yeah, they issue with jewels. It's not good for you. Yeah. Well, I know they're not good for you, but I thought jewels are out of, out of circulation. I don't know. think of it. I actually don't know the answer to this. It's confusing. Are Jules still around?

It's flicking reporter. Marijuana is still illegal in some states. Wild. Does Jewel exists? The FDA issued a marketing denial order against them in 2022, which was later rescinded and the company is currently in a review process. I don't know. Regardless. I'm going to start vaping in the office. All right. Same email. Arthur writes also, I write a bulletin about the space industry, space insurance

industry. I think he's talked to this before, space insurance, which is wild. And his newsletter is the space fact of the week. He included it. In 2008, Japanese astronaut Koichi Wakata brought some cherry blossom seeds to the International Space Station to study germination in space. The seeds came from a legendary, 1300-year-old, I cannot pronounce it, cherry tree, which is thought to be the oldest of its kind. All previous attempts to grow offspring from the seeds of this renowned tree were unsuccessful. And then I copied and paste the and I lost the rest of it. Give me a second.

I have to go find it. I'm going to go out on a limb here, pun intended, and say that they grew it in space. That feels, you mean like in the space station? Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

I don't know why in a bulletin, he would say all previous attempts at growing the tree on Earth were unsuccessful, and then also at the space station, they didn't do it either. They successfully germinated in orbit. You're right.

But upon their return, the seedlings were planted to Japan and to the astonishment of botanists, several space trees blossomed after four years. The usual time frame is 10, and nobody can agree on an explanation. They're mutants. It's all the gamma rays.

That sounds like the next Christopher Nolan film. That sounds like the plot of the Martian. It honestly sounds, yeah, it's like interstellar assumption. Yeah, but that blew my mind. I really hope that's true. I kind of trusted him because he read to a newsletter, and I probably should have fact-checked that before I read it on the show. All the space trees.

Yeah. God, I love that stuff. before we get out of here, I want to explain the White Lotus fiasco. So I did watch the finale. Can you explain what happened

on the previous episode? Did we bleep out what Hyatt said that? We did. We bleep this. So I said, White Lotus came up. I told Hyattis on air, don't spoil it.

I haven't seen the finale yet. And then maybe 90 seconds later, Heifitz makes a one-off reference that a monkey kills people in the finale. I get very upset that he spoiled it for me. And then, you know, after we finish recording,

everybody else, Austin, Kai, Carlos, everybody else was on the show with us, they all kind of just immediately kind of implicitly new to kind of jump on board with this lie. They played along. And so... And I didn't know any better.

The second, but I left the show and I went and talked to my wife Liz and I was like, hi, if it's just spoiled White Lotus and she was like, what did he say? I said, he said a monkey kills somebody. She's like, I don't think... So you spoiled it for Liz right away? Well, because she had been online,

so she had kind of seen some things and she was like, I don't think that happens or if it does, like, it's not the biggest part of the show. the episode. And I was like, maybe he was making that up. That's son of a bitch. I actually don't know if I've ever respected hyphids more. The restraint to not say anything for like 15 minutes where we were calling him a total asshole. There's nothing better though than just like lying to a friend and having them not.

Like in college when we told people that Sean Paul had died in a budding accident. There's just nothing better than living in that moment. So I get it. I told you guys that my like my smartest friend, we convinced in like ninth grade that Warren Buffett made all his money from buffets and he got like 0.01% of all buffets in the world. Fes are named after him.

Yeah, so like buffets. And he just, he was named Warren Buffett. He called it buffet and it sounded fancy. This whole elaborate lie. And so anyone who wants to serve food in that way has to give him like point out of credit card fees. You know, he just gets like a small piece of every thing. That's a kid which is part of the world.

He ends up going. My friend ends up going to like Carnegie Mellon Business School, which is a really good business school and says this in a class. No. in business school. And he tried out like eight years or like seven years later. And he just texts a senior year of college. He's like, I hate you guys.

This is incredible. Oh, yeah. That was, that was, by the way, this is great. So better than lying to your children, what are the lies you've told your friends that they believe?

Oh, yeah. For a long time. Lies you told your friends at Ringar Fantasy Football. And it like almost becomes a part of their worldview. I would love to know, Leah, lies that they still believe. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Emails. Yeah. Oh, my God. This is good. Email us. Lies. Lies you told your friends that like long cons, long cons on your friends. Long cons. That's good.

Whether they're going or not, ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. I love that. Yeah, long cons on your friends. God, that's funny. You thought Warren Buffett and that's a really good, that's a good joke. Well, the key, I think, I think the best. For it like an eighth grader, that's the perfect age to. And then it's enough where you would never think about it.

This is like the, uh, Marilyn Manson cut his rib out so he could suck his own dick thing. Yeah, someone just says it once confidently. And like everyone in my generation believed it and still does probably. So wait, he didn't do that. Well, I don't know. I can't confirm one way or another. It seems far fetched. It's believable enough for him.

That's the problem. Right. I want to be clear to everyone, I got so much hate mail. I did not spoil the White Lotus for Craig. No. I said what I heard what he said, which was I hadn't seen it. And so I said what I thought was to. single most outrageous theory

that had floated around that was obviously wrong was that a monkey what I actually said that we bleeped out was yeah you know Tanya from season two is reincarnated as a monkey and she shoots her husband who murdered her. Oh I didn't know you said that. I thought you'd have said a monkey kill somebody. I guess well that's what I was trying to allude

to. Yes. The reincarnation part maybe I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that either. Dude I mean after having seen the finale I wish a monkey shot somebody. Franks blow it for everyone. No, I won't. The irony of Craig actually ended up. You know it's funny. Craig didn't say spoiler alert. So the irony is Craig actually probably spoiled it for people.

Though this is coming out Wednesday night. So I mean, there's a little bit of breathing room. Craig says he just doesn't like the. Yeah, I didn't spoil anything. I just said it didn't like. Well, I guess we just said what didn't happen. So now people know. A monkey doesn't kill someone.

So you can rest assured. Rule that out. Yeah. That's good point. Do we talk? Good job, Hyfitz. Yeah, thanks. I really did think you were being like total asshole.

I think it's similar to Marilyn Manson. Yeah. It was tough. how effortlessly you guys like, you're such a fucking prick. And I'm just like, you're like, damn, is that who I am? Yeah, that's kind of, hmm, got there, well, I was like, like, if it's just literally now the whoops sounds funnier.

He just goes, whoops. Now the tuxedos don't seem fucked up. Actually, no remorse whatsoever, just whoops. Yeah, now the tuxedos are starting to make a little bit of sense, actually. Yeah, they are making sense. Hello, Miss Lady. Email us your long cons. Email us your take purges. I don't remember what else we asked for, but those are better

than whatever else we asked for. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Krollers. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone who had any faith in me that I hadn't actually spoiled it. I think that's probably no one. Thank you, Lord.

Lauren. Thank you, panic at the disco. Nice. That lead guy is very talented. Brandon, Yuri. Is that his name? Unclear. He's, that guy has some pipes.

How many places, how many bands have an exclamation point in the name? in the middle in the middle does wham I think yeah you're right wait I kind of thought it was at the end of disco no it's in panic at the disco Wham does have an exclamation point Wham does there you go

I'm a big fan of the exclamation point Should we have that I'm one of those freaks that like If you don't use exclamation points I think you're mad at me Which should that be an Easter egg Should we in the what should the title this episode be Because we could maybe get an like like

What is it the greatest? The best quarterback episode you'll listen to Exclamation point It's the best quarterback summation point. Yeah. Quarthe-R-R-R-A-H. Yeah, that's good.

And then if you made it this far, you know why. Yeah, we just have to wait. Hopefully, get to a minute 87 of the show to get the bit. Yeah, no one's going to find out. Do you like Panic at the disco, D.K.? Yeah, sure. I used to. I don't think I've listened to their stuff much lately.

Do they still make music? Are they still doing it? Hold on. They did a song for Frozen, too. That checks out. Wow. Brandon Uri is only 37. They got started young.

That's the thing about lead singers, man, or bands. Like the half the time They're like 18 Yeah 20 years go by Rihanna's like 34 No How old are the Blank 182 people

They're like my age Ryanna's 37 Still pretty young Younger than fucking Russell Wilson I don't think that's true No it's not I'm wrong about that again You can't get Russell Wilson's age

right Russell Wilson's like 36 I thought He's 36 Tom DeLong The panic at the discos The guy's 36 Tom DeLong is older than me

Dude he's almost 50 Well because they're like the 90s Right? They got started. Yeah. That's the flip side, though, because red hot chili peppers was making music

and Green Day were making music that when we were in elementary school, Craig, was really good. I had no idea that that was actually the music that everyone else hated and liked their original music. Yeah, because the chili peppers were the 80s, they started. That blew my mind when I found that out

because Danny California was like the biggest song of like whatever year that was for us. Yeah, right. Danny California was like, I feel like their pivot to commercial. And I didn't realize later that was like their fans hated them for making the music. And I'm like,

Oh, I'm the morons they're appealing to. Whatever the album with like under the bridge are my favorite album. California. It might a bit. Was it California Cation or was it called Under the Bridge? Under the Bridge is the song, which I... But the album is California Cation? I'm pretty positive.

Yeah, you're probably right. Dude, you want to talk about somebody who looks fucking good for their age? Anthony Ketus? Oh, is blood sugar, sex magic was the album. I don't think so. Okay. That's a different album, right? Under the Bridge is a song by American rock band,

Red Hot Chili Peppers and the 11th track on their fifth studio album, Blood Sugar, Sex, Magic. California Cation is a different album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were saying that Under the Bridge was on the album Californication. That's what I thought you were saying, too. On California, I'm seeing it on Californication. I Google Californication and other bridge on Californication. Well, it appears to be on Blood Sugar, Sex Magic as well.

Am I wrong? Which I think was first. It was 991. Did they put it on both albums? They brought it back. Let's get to the bottom. A bunch of fucking dorks. We are looking up how to launder money.

Oh, it's, uh, oh, it doesn't appear to be on California. It's not, no, I'm wrong.

I'm wrong. All right, we're back. All right, we're back to hyphids. So back. Dude, have you seen what in?

Just being aggressively, confidently wrong. No, no, no, I'm going to screenshot what I was looking at and I,

because I'm not crazy. I am going to screenshot what I'm looking at and showing you guys. Dude, look at photos of Anthony Keytis. Google Gemini is a menace. This man is 62 years old.

He looks like Aaron Rogers right now. I'm texting the screen. You guys have to look at this photo, though. Google Gemini is a menace. Like, my confidence came from look at this fucking picture. Genomei is fucking so bad. California Cations, songs, one to 19. And it says 17 is under the bridge.

But now they look at it closer. Clearly, it's a different album cover on it. But it's listed there. Yeah, dude. This is like someone's like mixtape from Spotify they found. I honestly probably Gemini kind of can't be stopped what was the really famous Gemini search that someone

Oh that's the one where I was like we're all doomed It was what's the difference between addressing and a wound Sorry what's the difference between The Oh no it's a difference between a sauce and a dressing And a sauce is something you put on food And a dressing is what you do to a wound And then I was like well this is three days ago

I man I can't believe they I bet they fixed it by now and I Googled it. Same thing, which is one, bad enough that just on Google and they shipped it to be the first thing comes up. What is going on? They couldn't fix that in three days. There was also one about glue. It was like something about kids eating glue,

I remember. That was in... Yes, it's good for you. And you should eat as much as possible. It was like, what are the best snacks for kids? And it was like, yogurt. Glu! Mashed potatoes. And glue. Did you notice, if you use Google Drive, did you notice that, like, they changed the colors of the buttons to be like, do you want Google Gemini to help

with this Google Doc. And like, usually it's like the colors for like yes and no or like blue and white. And they flipped it to confuse you. Oh, yeah. I'd get you to click the wrong button. I feel like anytime you try to cancel some email subscription you're in, the cancel button is always like unhighlighted and the non-cancel. So you always like accidentally stay and have to go back and do it again.

Unsubscribing from things now is like that episode of, um, what's the Nathan Fielder show? What was it called? Oh, the, uh, the rehearsal for you? Nathan for you. where the guy, he had an electronic store, and he was like a local small, he sold TVs. And then he was like, I need help undercutting Best Buy. They have a price match guarantee.

And he's like, what are going to do? He's like, we're going to buy, we're going to sell TVs for $1. Oh, yeah. And we're going to like force Best Buy to price match it and then buy their TVs for a dollar and then have their TVs. And he was like, how are we going to sell the TVs for $1? And he's like, well, and so they have a dress code. So you have a tuxie.

to come into the store. And then they have you army crawl through a closet and there's a live alligator in the room. And you have to like take the TV out of the room with the alligator and a tuxedo. So a few people actually come back in a tuxedo. How much are you willing to degrade yourself to get this TV? Yeah. Oh my God. Anyway, all right, we should probably end the show.

Did I, do we think? Yeah, we thank people. We think it. We think panic at the disco. Right. Goodbye.