The Ringer NFL Show - QB Sleepers, Tiers, and Fears 2025

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

The guys go through their quarterback rankings, place the QBs in tiers, and discuss how they plan to approach QB in their fantasy drafts. Plus, emails! (00:00) Intro(02:03) Overall Strategy(08:07) Tier 1: Elite Fantasy QBs Who Can Run(19:56) Tier 2: Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes(27:54) Tier 3: QBs Who Can Run(38:07) Tier 4: Pocket Passers(49:27) Tier 5: Anthony Richardson(56:59) Tier 6: Solid 3rd Guys in a 2-QB League(01:03:40) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig HorlbeckProducers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hight for today. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Crollback. And today we are going through our quarterback tears, our quarterback fears, sleepers, depending on you feel about a sleeper. Some people get really touchy about what constitutes a sleeper or whatever. We're going to know through basically how we're going to think about the quarterback position this year. Because, again, training camps are in full swing.

Your group chats are probably waking up. And so people are figuring out when your drafts are. So it is time to start thinking about it. I think quarterback is, I think, the best entryway into looking at fantasy a lot of times, just the season in general teams, everything. So we're going to go through all our quarterback thoughts, some dumb emails at the end. But actually some serious stuff up top. I'm sure everyone listening has heard about this by now.

But so on Monday a gunman killed four people in a building on Park Avenue in New York City that includes NFL headquarters. And he shot several people in the building's lobby. Investigators believe the shooter was trying to get to NFL headquarters inside the building, but accidentally entered the wrong set of elevator banks. And so the man had a note on him claiming he had CTE, including the first. phrase, quote, study my brain, please. I'm sorry. And quote, the gunman never played professional football. He did play high school football. I know this is a weird thing to talk about at the top of a fantasy show, but frankly,

we just didn't know how to talk about the NFL for like an hour plus and not talk about this. So obviously, absolutely horrific story. You read about the victims. It's just gut wrenching. And so, you know, that's just a horrible thing. So we can move on. I have absolutely zero segue on how to go from that to like Malik neighbors briefly left the Giants practice with some tweak in his leg and it's like I don't know there's no good segue but um yeah awful story and now we'll talk about this fake football game that we play uh and I really awkward clunky transition but yeah so with that said yeah with that said we can get to overall quarterback strategy for fantasy in 2025 I don't know about you guys

just looking at quarterback this year, I actually have never felt stronger about what I want to do. I might be wrong, but I actually know every time I go into a draft, I know exactly what I want to accomplish. I don't know, Dika, do you feel that way? Yeah, I mean, I think that there's,

for me, I have a specific strategy I'm going with this year, and that is, should I just say it now? Reveal it. Yeah, hold it. I mean, it's not. It's very not novel, Craig. I want one of the top four guys. Or I'm going to wait a really long.

time. Get me one of them big ones. Give me one of them big ones. Basically, the God tier of fantasy quarterbacks, I think I really want to kind of go for it. It's just these are the types of guys that not only have a really high floor week in and week out, they're going to be really consistent. They're going to get you your, you know, 16, 17 points almost surely. And then they also have the upside because of the rushing to get you 22, 25, 30, sometimes even more points depending on what they do.

So there's Josh Allen, Jaden, Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Jalen, Hurts. If you have a different tier one, let me know. But those guys, all four of those guys, scored 100 plus points last year in rushing alone. They're the only quarterbacks, I think, in that stratosphere right now that we know of. Maybe someone will emerge this year that does end up rushing for. And these guys are basically like the ceiling is 1,000 yards and or 10 rushing touchdowns, realistic range of options for them. And then obviously all four of these guys are also good passers.

So the God tier to me is very interesting. I feel like if you get one of those guys, even though it's expensive, it's just giving you such a massive advantage over your league mates every week. Craig, is that how you feel? Do you want one of the top four guys? You know, this year, I think my answer's no. I have a different strategy. I think the last few years it has been

you've got to get one of the big four. And the big four used to be, you probably swapped Jaden Daniels out from the homes, originally maybe Burrow, but it was like kind of, you know, the big four is what you wanted. I think quarterback is deeper than ever since we've been doing this show right now.

And I actually feel more comfortable waiting on quarterback this year. I think because of the influx of talent that came in last year with those six rookies, five of which worked out, J.J. McCarthy, TBD, and then the rookies the year before that, also it seems to be working out. I think they're outside of the

Browns, the Giants, and the Saints, you could argue every other quarterback in the league could be a viable fantasy starter. I mean, like, the worst guys in the league, the guys you are taking almost who aren't even getting drafted are guys like Gino Smith and Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was the top 10 quarterback last year. He like, isn't even getting drafted.

So to me, there's also a lot more rushing in flux right now as well. I mean, you already have the Jalen Hertz, the Josh Allen, the Lamar Jackson, you have Kyler Murray, and you have now Justin Fields as a starter. You add in Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix, who is a mid-tier rusher. You had Drake May, who is potentially flirting with being a top-tier rusher. I just think that the depth of the position from a skill standpoint is deeper than ever, and the rushing floor, add in Caleb Williams' rushing possibilities. the rushing floor for a lot of guys, Brock Purdy Rush, is this a little higher than it's been.

There are a lot of guys now that kind of could get to 400 yards rushing and five touchdowns. And there are just a lot of quarterbacks I like. And so I actually think I'm not going to stress too much about needing Josh Allen this year if his price is super high because I feel like I can cobble together some good options late in the draft. So I'm going to cheat. I'm going to say I actually want to do what both of you are saying. You're right in the middle. you. I am in the middle, but ironically, like, I'm not averaging. I'm not trying to meet in the middle.

I'm saying Ricky Bobby. I want to either do what D.K is saying where I want to be one of the first people to get a quarterback. And I want to get one of the elite guys. And to be clear, those elite guys, as Craig mentioned, we can go through them a little more specifically. But the top tier is Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hertz. Like those are the top four guys. I want one of them. And if I'm not getting one of them, I want to be the last person to get a quarterback, basically, like what Craig's saying.

That's essentially what I was saying, too. First, early or late. So, yeah. And so I'm a big believer in the Ricky Bobby style quarterback. this year. But overall, I agree with what Craig's saying, too, because I want two quarterbacks. So one of them has to be able to run. But basically, I don't want to pocket pass for this year. Because to Craig's point, it's so deep. Because again, I don't want to pick on Baker Mayfield, because Baker, again, is about as likable as it gets in the NFL. It's just a fun player to root for.

But Baker Mayfield, I think, is an example of a quarterback who had never had 30 passing touchdowns of a year. And then last year, at 40. So maybe Baker does that again. But in reality, last year, Baker, you could have gotten as like the 17th quarterback or whatever. And there's always a guy at the late that ends up going hot. But in a world, like, if you, I don't want to take Baker-Mayfield 75th or whatever overall. When, as Craig pointed out, and you can rank these guys however you want, but if Drake May is the 14th quarterback, and Justin Herbert's the 15th quarterback, and Jack Prescott's the 16th quarterback, and C.J. Stroud is the 17th quarterback.

And Jordan Love is the 18th quarterback. Trevor Lawrence, whatever you think of him, maybe you don't like him. Trevor Lawrence is the 19th quarterback and fan. Like, at that rate, I don't want to pay for a pocket passer. I'm only paying up if the guy runs or falls to me really late. And so the only people I want to pay up for are those top four people, D.K. mentioned. And I think there's two kinds of leagues.

I don't know the word for one, but basically, quote unquote, I hate the term sharper leagues, but ones where people basically think they're too good for quarterbacks or whatever, leagues where people are going to be taking Brees Hall over Jalen Hertz. and I want Jalen Hertz instead of Breece Hall. And then there are leagues with your friends where Patrick Mahomes is like the ninth pick in the draft. You know what I mean? Like sometimes your friends are just like,

well, I'm a Bills fan and how could I go through season without Josh Allen? I'm going to take him eighth. And you know what? That person probably makes the playoffs every year. And so if it's one of those leagues, I'm fine to not get one of the four quarterbacks and be last.

But I am fine to reach for quote unquote, reach for Jalen Hertz this year. Like I feel so good about it. Yeah. Hertz and Allen is, So I was looking at like the big five every year and how consistent they are, because that's also something you want, right? It's like if you're going to spend a lot of money or an early draftback on these guys,

Josh Allen and Hertz are the only two quarterbacks to score more than 20 points per game in each of the last four seasons. Lamar has had seasons where he gets stinged up, he drops off. And then obviously Daniels is only one year into his career. His injury concerns, I don't know, I guess you could say, are a little bit higher because of his frame. So if I did commit, if I did need to commit to any of the top tier, I think I would prioritize Josh Allen and Hertz for their consistency.

I agree. So Josh Allen is the most consistent fantasy football player of the 2020s. It's not close. If you just look since Josh Allen came online basically in 2020 and became the current version of Josh Allen, here's where he ranked end of season fantasy points among quarterbacks. First, first, second, first second. Yeah. So that's pretty sick.

He's an alien. Yeah. And the way we don't have to belabor that Josh Allen rating MVP is good. I will just lead on this. Josh Allen is more passing touchdowns in his career than Joe Burrow. and Josh Allen is more rushing touchdowns in his career than Sequin Barclay or Christian McCaffrey. So like that's what you're getting with Josh Allen. Yeah, yeah.

My question for you guys is Lamar Jackson. So, I mean, again, just going through the staff, 41 touchdowns and four picks for Lamar last year. He averaged three points per game more than Josh Island last year. Yeah. We're picking nits, but I just wanted to ask, Craig, you have Lamar Jackson first, I'm in quarterback's DK. You have Lamar third, which isn't that big of a difference. And yet I actually just curious, DK why you have the third.

I mean, honestly, you could switch any of them. it wouldn't matter to me. They're all like the exact same tier essentially. Like get whatever you want. Like I would say before last year, coming into last year, Lamar Jackson was a big target of mine because I felt like his reputation had slipped a little bit.

You know, there was like injury concerns. He was a little inconsistent. Like the playoff failures, obviously like weighing on people's minds or whatever. But, you know, he's still, to me,

the prototype of this cheat code at quarterback where he's running a ton. He doesn't rush for a lot of touchdowns, but he's one of the best, if not the best running quarterback in the NFL in terms of just running talent. So he feels maybe it'll be different this year. I'm not quite sure. But he still feels like the guy that's sort of the value in this group,

if there is such a thing. Because I think people don't view him as, he's just not as sexy, I guess, as Josh Allen and Jane Daniels. And then Jane Hertz has. I think I think Lamar is just to say. I think Lamar is well, maybe not. Maybe not now. Maybe not now after last year, obviously.

But that was how I felt going into last year. and it definitely kind of played out that way. They're all neck and neck and make. Lamar's one for me just because I think, I feel like he has the highest ceiling if he wanted to shoot for the stars. Like I think Lamar could, I mean, what he did last year,

I guess is, is that where he throws for 40 touchdowns and basically runs for 1,000 yards. But yeah, but they're literally all next to each other. It's a good reminder of what we're talking about with tears. And again, the reason we do this in tears is because tears is, I think, the way you should draft.

Like, we have our rankings out of fancy football. dot the ringer.com. You can go there. for our new, like our ranking's got a facelift. You can check them out. They're updated. But basically, you want to have an idea of tiers, groupings of positions of guys that are similarly ranked so that when you're on the clock

and it's tick, tick, tick, and you're going to be up again in five spots. If there's one receiver left in a tier and four running backs, you should take the receiver because a similar running back will be available, whereas vice versa. You take the running back. You probably won't get that receiver. So like you want to, it's a decision-making framework. So when we're doing these tiers, broadly speaking, what we're saying is these groups have

guys, maybe we have an opinion on how they're ranked, but if you rank them differently within the tier, we don't give a shit. Like, I don't give, I don't really care that DK is Lamar Jackson third or Craig has him first. I have Lamar Jackson second, Josh first, Jalen Hertz third, Jaden Daniels fourth. I don't really care if you switch that to a random number generation generator, but those should be the first four guys and I'd be mad if someone else was in that group. So I think that's broadly going apply. And what we're going to do here is figure out what the tiers are and see if we disagree about the groupings themselves. One last thing I want to argue about for these guys. There's a statistical argument for having a great fantasy quarterback about predictability.

Jalen Hertz, all these guys. I will just say overall, though, it is super underrated how awesome it is to have a sick fantasy quarterback. It is awesome. It's like having two cocks. It really is. And because for so long it was like, well, you can't really predict year-to-year passing environment. So it's like really a plus expected value thing to like have a late quarterback. And like that was true.

But now that guys like Josh Allen has more. rushing touchdowns in Sequin in his career, that's the easiest thing there is to predict. You know what the easiest thing for football to predict? Jalen Hertz, who has 52 rushing touchdowns in his last 52 games that mattered. And the NFL's trying to ban a play because it works too well at the go line.

It's the easiest thing in football. And so knowing that, it's an advantage. So like the mathematically it's caught up. But that's not the point. The point is, if you root, like me, for the New York Giants or the Cleveland Browns or the Indianapolis cults or the New Orleans Saints and you have to watch these shitty quarterbacks every week.

The whole reason you play fantasy football is escapism from your own shitty team. And if you can sign up for 150 hours over the course of 17 Sundays and Lamar Jackson gets to be on your team, that's the whole reason we do this is I want to escape my shitty team. And so I will just say, highly recommend having Josh Allen on your team or Lamar Jackson on your team or Jane Daniels on your team if your team sucks. like I can't there is no way to quantify that but it's the only thing that will help you the psychological feeling of having one of these guys too is so great because if you're actually watching the game that they're in like the final minute they could score another 15 points you know what I mean like like the two minute drill they're running around they're scrambling they could get a

touchdown they could go to overtime you're like like it just you feel like you could be god you know the the line from wedding crashes like they were looking at me like god and you know what I kind of felt like I felt like I did turn into God. You basically just get to be a fan of like one of the best teams in the NFL for the last season. Right. Why would you not have Josh Allen be your quarterback if you could do, if you could like, you know what? No, I'd rather have Breece Hall on my fantasy team.

No, you wouldn't. There's so many other quarterbacks that you're just like, ah, like depending on game script or whatever, you're like, I'm fucked. Yeah. Like this guy's going to get me five points. 100%. Or 12 points or whatever. It's like the safest, warmest feeling you can have.

have waking up Sunday morning being like, Josh Allen's playing the Panthers. I know this is dumb and maybe this isn't like the sharpest analysis, but there is something about the entire pregame package, like Josh Allen's on the goddamn poster and you're like, that's my guy. You get all that. Your quarterback is in like the most nationally televised games.

You're getting Monday night, Sunday night. You're getting all that points for commercial. And I understand that like, you know what's fun? Winning's fun. But you know what? So we have our rankings. I made my rankings very specific. I have 21 guys that I would take above them.

And then I listed those four quarterbacks, 22, 23, 24, 25. So like at our rankings, my only quibbles, we have Bucky Irving right in front of Josh Allen. No, I love Bucky Irving. No fucking way, am I taking Bucky Irving before Josh. If they're both there, I'm like, I need Josh Allen on my team because I don't think I'm sacrificing that much because, again, he's probably going to be a top two quarterback. And also, it just, I don't want to. Russell Wilson will be my only escape this year. So anyway, that's my rant.

And the only other thing I want to say with that tier is just that I think Jalen Hertz is weirdly undervalued this year. I don't know why, but Jalen Hertz, that's probably the guy I'll end up with the most because there's just a weird. People are treating him like he's like the black sheep

of this four-person group. When he finished? First? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a good day though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He hasn't had a way. But they wins, a Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah.

I know. I think they're going to throw more. I think his rushing floor is, I mean, is just as high, even with Seekwan. You also factor in, like, potentially you have Sequin taking a step back.

And they literally ran the ball more than any team in years last year. We're leading in games historically last year in the second half. We're not throwing the ball. I think the passing ceiling for Jalen Hertz is way higher this year. And the rushing floor is just as stable. Jalen Hertz hasn't had less than 13 rushing touchdowns in a season in four years. Yeah. I just, the idea, again, there are players going ahead of him where I'm like, I just, you know,

you can do that, but I will take Jailen Hertz. Did you see the Sprite commercial with him? No. No. Yeah, he's in a new, he's like, I guess like the spokesperson for Sprite now. He's like in their new campaign. And you can tell they tried so hard to be like, all right, how do we make him interesting? How do we make him out of his comfort zone here?

Interesting. And the whole like idea around the ad is like he doesn't talk. That's great. And it's like, let your game speak for yourself. We got to get Chris Ryan in on this, man. Get Chris Ryan to do the monster truck. talk for Jalen Hertz. That's how the whole like metal draft started.

The tagline at the end is like, does Sprite make you a better football player? And he goes, no, but it tastes good. That's pretty good, actually. That's sick. The other thing about Jailen Hertz too, because he's just a total psycho like that. Like he just is so singularly focused.

And he went to Michael Jordan. He still live in like a two-bed apartment? I think so. He went to Michael Jordan for advice. Too-bed or two-bedroom, Craig? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. He's go.

It's a studio with two beds. Yeah. But so I don't know if this is true, but I believe that there's no confirmation Jalen Hertz has put on his Super Bowl ring. I don't know if he's opened it. Like they did photos with all the Eagles wearing it and he just held the box. Well, and in a presser, they asked them, they're like, why aren't you wearing your Super Bowl ring?

And he was like, that was last year on focus on this year. I think that is so sick. He's like some version. He's like a, he's the inverse of Russell Wilson, but also like just. is annoying. Yeah, well, he's, no, that's such a good call. Like his, his, whatever, stoicism is, like, actually kind of corny. Well, he's like if Russell Wilson was losing, it's corny.

When he's winning, it's pretty fucking cool. He's like if Russell Wilson had, like, swagger. Yeah, it's like if Russell Wilson talked as much as everyone wishes Russell Wilson would talk. But I was, but again, Jalen Hertz, it's annoying when they're losing and you're like a football monk. But when they're winning, Jailen Hertz goes to Michael Jordan. and it's like asked for advice. And he kind of doesn't tell stories.

But Jalen Hertz, it seems like what Michael Jordan said was you're not defending shit. Like you're not the defending champs. You won the 2024 season. That happened. And it's 2025. But you're not defending anything. Like if you lose it, it doesn't matter. It's a new thing.

It's season permanence. Give me the guy who didn't put on the ring and has a play the NFL wants to ban. Anyway, I like it. I do look, while I agree with everything you're saying, Hyvin's about having a good quarterback and the security of that is better than any other feeling in fantasy, I 100% agree with all of that. However, this year I am tempted the most to not get a top four quarterback. And I totally get it. If the price is a little bit high, like, even those mid-tier guys that I know generally we don't, you know, like, that's always trickier going after

the like Bo Nix's, the guys going in the middle. Even those, the Kyler Murray's, Boe Nix's, Patrick Mahomes, Brock Purdy, I am more willing to take those guys than I have been in a while. that's totally fair and again no one has to take that advice i think the simplest thing i'd say is if the quarterbacks are going on the second round that's too rich for me like if you're using the 18th pick on josh allen like that's the line for me 25 28 that's where i'm like oh just give me the quarterback but you also could might win your league this week this year not doing that so i want to that's also the easy tier to talk about the top four everyone else i think is where the meat is so the next one this is what i have is the next tier at first i wrote down

just Joe Burrow. And then I was like, screw it. And I put Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes in the same tier. Because I almost think that you're lying to yourself if you think Mahomes isn't in that tier with Burrow, where obviously Burroughs expected to be the best passing quarterback and a purely statistical view of it.

Like Burrow is obviously expected to just be the most reliable pocket passer. But in my experience, drafting in fantasy football, someone always just takes Mahomes so high that the idea that he wouldn't be taken around Burrow was like, that's not realistic to me. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm overthinking it. But I think, but I can be talked out of it.

But I think the tier is either just Joe Burrow or Burrow and Mahomes. I don't think he should be in there. I don't have him in there. I have him in the next one. I have Burrow in a tier of his own because here's my question for you. D.K. If you're staring there, if it's the fourth, fifth round, whatever it is, if Burrow and Mahomes are sitting there, is there any world in which you're taking Mahomes over Burrow?

No. Yeah, I'm not either. That's a fair point. I was kind of, I was kind of on high-fitz's side here, more like just a aesthetically, it's like the tier is, you know, pocket passers. Like the two best pocket passes in the league. Two best pocket passers who could throw 50 touchdowns. It wouldn't really shock you, right?

But no, but I think you're right, Craig. I would definitely way rather have Burrow. I do think this is a great, like, by low, Mahomes year. However, I still think that he should be at the tier below. So do you put Mahomes in his own career too, that? No, no. I think Mahomes is with a tier below, personally. I'm fine with that because I originally had,

and we have Burrow way higher, too. So I just kind of looked at it and was like, am I lying to myself about how my drafts will actually go? Someone's going to take them. But you're right. And again, Burrow led the NFL in past attempts, past completions, passing yards, passing touchdowns. Some idiots last year were worried about whether it was revest would be good.

I don't know what those people were thinking about. I just to linger on Mahomes for a minute here. The last two seasons, he's averaged 17 points per game. Yeah. He hasn't been a top 10 quarterback each of the last two years. But going before that, before that, real quick, 24 points per game, 21 points per game, 25 points per game, 20 points per game, 26 points per game.

That was the previous fight. Yeah, you have a different situation, better offensive line, you have Tyree Kill, you have Prime Travis Kelsey. The way they were defending the Chiefs was different back then. A lot has changed. And I think this year you would make the case that his targets are the best. They've been in a while. However, we now might have a Rishi Rice suspension for four to six games.

The offensive line is a question mark. And then you're looking at like the last year of Travis Kelsey, Xavier worthy, you know, there's not at Marquis Brown. There's not as much going on. I like it, but I don't know if I love it. Well, I'm torn. I don't know because, and again, I think you're, Craig convinced me.

I think Burroughs should be his own tier, but I do think I should get to tier three here. And I have basically Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray for the Cardinals, Bo Nix of the Broncos, Justin Fields of the Jets. I think this is correct. Really funny to have Patrick Mahomes

in a tier with Justin Fields and anything, which is a layer other than Bears quarterbacks that should have been. But I will say about Mahomes. I think you're both right. You're right that Mahomes has not been, as prolific of a passer. And like the last couple of years,

I mean, honestly, ever since defenses, we kept saying two high safeties, but where defenses really did is they just moved a run defender into the past game. And ever since they did that, and the chief skimped it receiver

and skipped it left tackle, the chiefs, Mahomes became like Alex Smith, if he was cool. Like Alex Smith, in his last season's chief starter, was pushing the ball significantly further downfield on average

than Mahomes was the last few seasons. However, I think this could be one of the biggest developments of the year. I think there's a chance the Chiefs offense looks more like it did five years ago since the closest to having Tyree Kill this season than they have since

in the three years since they got rid of Tyree Kill. For everything Craig just listed, basically they have Josh Simmons, the rookie at Ohio State at left tackle and I'm not saying, you know, I think you should always be careful when people are saying some... The report seemed to be glowing about him. That's the thing. Like, rookie coming off an injury. I'm a little dubious left tackle, but I'm like, but everyone's saying he's good.

And I'm like, all right, I want to see it in a game. Like, I don't love that. It's like, oh, cool. They just put on padded practices. down. But the combo of more left tackle help Jalen Moore that could compete in what you want to that right time. The offensive line should be improved, which is always in theory. But the combo of the receiver head thing has been such a shoestring and bubble gum. We're just like look at last year, Rishie Rice was supposed to be a huge part of the team. And, you know, Mahomes blew Rishie Rice's knee out in the first three or four weeks.

Marky's Brown. Mahomes cooked rice. Mahomes cooked rice. Markees Brown was supposed to be a first round pick was supposed to be a part of the Chief's offense. And he had a shoulder. like immediately in training camp, barely practiced. Didn't play at all until December. They even practiced until December. And then so Xavier Worthy, a rookie, was just like thrown into fire. This season, I know Rashid suspended, but he's able to practice with the team, which matters. Xavier Worthy is leveled up and you have all these guys.

And so Matt Nagy, who's the Chiefs Offensive Coordinator said a couple months ago, he said this about the Super Bowl where incredibly my bet for Xavier Worthy to score two touchdowns cashed, which was really funny when it was like 40-0. But so Matt Nagy said at the end of the Eagles game, I know the score wasn't what we wanted, but there was a pretty good throw there at the end of the year, which he said, a 50-yard touchdown Xavier Worthy.

And he said, I think we're excited to get back to some of that. And all that's to say, I think the Chiefs are fucking tired of this dink and dunk shit, and they want to go back to hit and dingers. And I think they're going to try to hit more dingers. Socking some dingers. Sock and dingers.

Yeah. And so if that means you can get Patrick Wilhelm's 75th in your draft and Xavier Worthy, like 54th in your draft, I think there's a world where worthy, Rice Mahomes, like you just can stack the Chiefs this year, which is kind of crazy to think about if they go back to that, that would be pretty fascinating. I do agree that this is the right time to buy low on Mahomes.

It was everybody said it was last year because it was a down year in fantasy, but they also won the Super Bowl. This year, they're coming off a super embarrassing loss since Patrick Mahomes. I agree with you that the receiving court should be the best it's been since Tyree Kill left this year, even with the Rice suspension. And just like the fuck you, Chiefs, the fuck you, Mahomes. narrative, I like, am fully buying in on. So yeah, I do agree with you. But I still think, you know, you can say all that stuff. There's a lot writing on Xavier Worthy being great.

I like Worthy. I think I'm, I'm the only person in the world who's, I think I'm actually realizing I'm like the biggest Xavier Worthy guy. And I don't think I intended to be, but I just get rankings that I'm like, I'm definitely the highest on this person. I think Xavier Worthy is Kirkland-Dashon Jackson. I think he's got to speed, the ball tracking route. running. Like, again, it's not enough to be fast. You have to be able to track the ball like a center fielder. I think Xavier Worthy can do it.

And I think I'm the only person who thinks that. Well, he was out of bounds for half his catches last year. So he needs to be a little bit better at that. Well, here you go. Get him a warning track. There we go. We're going to get him a warning track. You know that Xavier Worthy, despite Rishie Rice leaving in week four,

Xavier Worthy never had more than 80 receiving yards in a game last year? No, but if you include this, the playoffs. But here's his rookie year. He did it once in the playoffs. But the same thing happened with Rishie Rice. because Rishi Rice, look at Rishie Rice's rookie year before Thanksgiving. He didn't do shit. Everything happened after Thanksgiving.

Like you have to get, like Matt, I mean, honestly, if you want to have a worthy conversation, basically, we could do that on the receivers episode. But in short, Matt Nagy talked about this where last year, Xavier Worthy, you're not seeing an offense. You're just trying to like, like, get the stab counts right. And like, you're just, what route do I run? What are these words mean? And he's like, Xavier's in 201 now where he's understand seeing defenses, seeing

coverages. And then the third level is, can you do it on? can you see what Pat sees? That's the next thing he's working, which is a huge jump. That's where Rishi Rice was last year. So anyway, I'm a big believer in him.

But you have to combine that with Rishi Rice. Let's say he comes back week four, five, six, whatever. Like, it will be Rishi Rice. It will be a healthy Marquis Brown and Xavier Worthy. Last year, it was no Marquis Brown,

no Rishy Rice. Yeah, but he's working. I mean, again, but Xavier Worthy is going around like Sam Lipporta. Yeah, that kind of feels right. I like Xavier Worthy. But anyway, any other guys in this tier, you guys want to talk about DK.

We have the other guys in this tier, Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Bowen, Justin Fields. Yeah, I mean, I think Kyler Murray,

to me is, is a tough one to evaluate because I think he has the skill set and, I don't know about talent, but he has the skill set to be in that top tier. However,

what is the difference to you between talent skill set? Uh, I think, okay, that's a good question, actually. I don't know.

I would say, Kyler is just much more inconsistent. I don't know. Like, I don't think he's as good of a pocket passers as any of the other guys in that top tier. Maybe he'd be like right there with hurts. But in theory, so like theoretically, I think he could, he has the speed, explosiveness.

And when I say skill set, I mean, like, he could run a lot. He's too short to be a conventional pocket passer, it seems, like Russell Wilson, like he can't necessarily drop back and play from an offense like he's six foot five. Yeah. But he's a 99th percent. centile scrambler, armed talent. I think it's tough because I feel like if he wanted to,

he could be in that top tier of fantasy quarterbacks if he wanted to. But he continually, every offseason, talks about how he doesn't want to run. And he gets hurt. I hate running too. And he gets hurt a lot. So. Well, and he also was in that like 2021, he was the QB4,

2022 was the QB7. Yeah. So we've seen. And then he tours. So I'm talking theoretically this year. Not ACL, just the, or yeah, it was an ACL. AICL, yeah. theoretically this year, I think he could leapfrog burrow and be in that top tier of like the quote, dual threat quarterbacks guys that can rush for either 1,000 yards or 10 plus touchdowns for both.

But he's probably not going to would be kind of like how I see it. You know what I mean? Like I don't trust him to do that. So he's a little bit lower on the hierarchy. But he's going to be a guy at target actually if I miss out on that top tier because he has that upside. He has that potential. He's an incredible scrambler. And it sounds like he's like fully healthy now after.

you know, kind of, it takes like a year to fully come back and get like the confidence back as a runner and all that. And he's finally back, I think, to, you know, normal health, regular health. And this is the year after, the year after. Right. So. Well, you know. The year after the year after the year after. No, didn't you get hurt?

2023? 2022. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, he says, no, he did just say, wow, timing yesterday. says he feels like it did before the ACL tear. He said that yesterday. He said now it feels like it's a...

He said it's as close as it's going to get. It's the year after the year after, I said... No, you're right. It is. What the heck? It's confusing because he came back halfway through 2023. Fair. And also December 2020, this is the reason we talk about it. Is tearing your ACL in December is different than September. So he toward December.

Probably didn't get surgery early January of 23. But he literally said yes, I'll read his words. Kyler Murray said Monday that his right knee was, quote, as close as it's going to get, end quote, to being back to completely healthy after tearing his ACL December 2020. So the point we say is it takes a while to get the feeling right, but that's what you want, is you want guys to feel like they did before. Last season was the first full season he's played since the intro. So, yeah, and again, the big picture reason we have these guys in this group.

And again, so it's Mahomes because he's not with Burrow, but then it's Kyler, Boe-Nix Fields. As long as the rules of fantasy are stupid and a rushing yard is worth more than, it's almost three times more than a passing yard. I look at this group as supply and demand as much as anything else. I have after this a giant group of pocket passes we can talk about, but I'm like, Bo Nakes, Kyler Murray, Justin Fields. Those are just guys that could run for 10 touchdowns and no one would blink. And it's that simple.

Like that is what it comes down to. And also we think there's passing upside too. This is like, I think obviously Josh Allen's so valuable because he's a goal line converter. Kyler Murray actually rushed for more yards than Josh Allen last year, which I don't know if I realize that. You know what I mean? He's more of a scrambler.

not doing as many designed rushes for him. But, I mean, again, he's just one of those guys that has that upside, has that potential. If he really decides to like, is he really decides to do it. I would. I think if it was at the right price. I would. But are you going to? Like, look, if you're in an auction draft and Josh Allen goes for $58 and I can get

Kyler Murray for 30. Yeah. In a two quarterback league, you mean? Yeah, yeah, in a two quarterback league. Superflex. Whatever. I'm just saying... I would take him in a one QB league, too. If you can get them for half the price.

Like, who do you, do you trust Justin Fields more than Kyle and Murray? Oh, no. And they're like, right now, according to our ranks, we've got them like 12 apart. Trust is not the word. So, Fields. Like one round apart. I'd rather, I'd rather have Murray. Justin Fields I have here, I've written down basically, I know I keep saying this, but most

rushing yards by a quarterback ever in a single season. Lamar Jackson, 2019, Justin Fields 2020, Michael Vick, 2006. Those are the three most ever. And again, upside with Fields is the rushing. And they don't, Tarad Taylor, I don't think, will supply it Justin Fields. He's going to play for them. And to me, it's really simple. I'm not ranking Justin Fields as like the ninth quarterback because I think he will

average out as the ninth quarterback. It's supply and demand to me that Justin Fields is one of a handful of people that you think has a very obvious path to being like a top five quarterback. and there's very small amount of players that could do that. And I just small supply, I want to move them up. Because again, is Justin Fields going to outdo like Jared Gough? I don't know. But like if he does it, but if Justice Fields does outplay Jared Gough, it could be by a lot.

But if Jared Gough outplays by Justin Fields, it'll be by little. And that's kind of as simple as it is. Because if you miss on Justin Fields, it doesn't really matter. And you know what I mean? But if you hit, it could matter a lot. And so that's, it's a weird one. But anyway, so that's kind of how I feel like. Kyler, Bo Nix Fields.

You can also argue Bo Nix is the most underrated guy in this old tier. Because Bo Nix, frankly, there's overlapping biases. We're biased against seeing him as a rusher because he's white, boring, check-down artist,

unsexy, super senior. Like, there's just overlapping reasons we want to ignore him. We didn't believe he should have been drafted as high as he was. I kept calling him boomer beau. I didn't like that he was old. I didn't like that a third

of his college passes were behind the line of scrimmage. I didn't like that Sean Peyton compared him to Patrick Mahomes when he took him in the draft. And yeah, like, white dude, weird to think that, yeah, he's actually a great rusher. He's a really talented runner.

And I don't want to believe any of those things. And so you could very easily argue that Bo Nix is higher up rushing upside than fields, better offense. And Sean Payton's his play designer instead of fucking Tanner Engstrand with the Jets. So you can very easily convince me Bo Nix should be the fifth quarterback. I don't know if he's a higher rushing upside than field, but I agree with you that. Well, yeah, Ropside's the wrong term. Like, mean outcome is probably the right way to put it.

Yeah. Nick, see, this is why I'm like kind of okay getting a quarterback anywhere. I'm just going to wait until a guy becomes a value kind of, because I think in every tier I can find a guy I really like. Bo Nix is one of them. Bo Nix, the first two weeks of the season, he was bad. He was, I mean, he was a rookie. From week three on, he put up 20 fantasy points a game.

That's like, it's like Jalen Hertz scored 21. He was one point behind Jalen Hertz, a rookie, Bo Nix. And they just added Evan Ingram, the break R.J. Harvey, this is, this is only, this is the first year that Bownix has the same quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator, and head coach since high school. I don't know. Great offensive line.

He had more passing touchdowns than Josh Allen. Yeah, when we do the all boring team, I think Bonax has to be the quarterback for the all boring team. Like Bonax, yeah, I think Bo Nix is, if you're a Broncos fan, I would go get him. There's going to be like, for me, I feel like I'm watching. There's a little bit of,

an element of like I'm watching from the outside what Russell Wilson was for the Seahawks early in his career where everyone was like his defense props him up his you know his offensive line is run game or whatever like he's just perfect fit he's just a scrambler and like he's just getting he's not the reason that the Broncos are good it's like he's good because the Broncos are good kind of deal like I feel like that's where I'm going to end up landing with him with Bo Nix whereas a lot of people were like that with Russell Wilson in the early part of his career and I was like Russell Wilson's awesome. What are you talking about? But yeah, there are those elements there where, like, his defense is awesome. Yeah, I think I saw a stat where, you know, like, when the Broncos are leading, his EPA is, like, really good. And when they're behind, it's, like, horrific. So it's like propped up by his defense, propped up by whatever. But at the end of the day, he had more passing touchdowns Josh Allen last year.

He had 29, six most in the NFL. And he runs. If Caleb Johnson, sorry, if Caleb Williams last year had through for 29 touchdowns, 12 picks, ran for 400 yards and 4, we'd be going insane. Made the playoffs? Yeah, we'd be, we'd be losing our minds. So, well, basically, long story short, what I'm saying is I'm admitting my bias a little bit here. Should we do a freaky Friday where we pretend we read stat lines from a player and then actually it was from a different player? Yeah, that's great.

Because Caleb Williams, if Caleb Williams had voted stat line, he'd be like the fifth quarterback off the board this year. Oh my God. Yeah, Caleb Williams, 29 touchdowns, 3,775-yard passing yards, which would probably be like top 3 in Bears history, honestly. 430 rushing yards, four touchdowns, made the playoffs. We'd be going nuts. Bo Nix were like, is he good?

It's going to be a problem. This problem. Wait, so hold on. What's the tier here? We got Kyler, Nicks, Fields, and Mahomes. And Mahomes. And you're not going to include anybody else in that tier.

I don't think so. I'm going to read the next tier, and I want you guys to challenge me. This is controversial. I have in the next, so again, just to recap, the tier so far,

the top four, we have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hertz, Jane Daniels, elite rushing quarterbacks. Tier five, tier two is just Joe Burrow,

the best pocket pastor. Tier three, we have Mahomes, and then Kyler, Bow, Nicks, Justin Fields, guys who have high rushing upsides. Here is my tier four,

which is, I called it, pocket passers, choose your fighter. And you could rank these guys. I'm not shitting you. Any order you want. I won't disagree, but here's the order I put them. I have Brock Purdy

for the Niners, Baker Mayfield for the Bucks, Caleb Williams for the Bears, Jared Gough for the Lions, Justin Herbert for the Chargers, Drake Bay for the Patriots, Trevor Lord, or sorry, Dak Prescott for the Cowboys, C.J. Stroud for the Texas, Jordan Love for the Packers. I have I have 10 or 10 players in that

tier. And I would love to hear the argument that those guys aren't all roughly the same, and it is just an order of how much you believe in them, their team, the offense, the situation, which is like, I think Brock Purdy should be the head of the tier, and I think Baker should be second. But you could tell me Dak Prescott should be the 13th quarterback or 18th.

You could tell me Drake May should be 11th. I'll hear anything. But I have it as a giant glut, and that tier to me, frankly, informs my entire draft strategy this year to what Craig's saying, where I'm like, I just want the cheapest of any of these guys. Whoever is the, Dak falls to me, Jordan Love, I'll take any of these guys. I don't care. It doesn't have to be the cheapest. When I see this tier, I'm like the guy I like the most in this tier,

you can get at a reasonable price. And I think that they offer like top seven potential. Like to me, I really don't know what the difference is between Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield going into this year. They're going to be ranked. 100% agree. Very far apart. Dak in 2023 was the QB4.

Baker in 2024, the QB4. A great way to look at quarterbacks and to see like regression, what their year looked like compared to what it normally is. is just like a touchdown rate, which is like what percentage of their throws were touchdowns? Baker Mayfield last year, 7.2 touchdown rate, which is extremely high.

The league average is four and a half. Baker had not previously had a season over 5.3. He was 7.2 last year. Like, just looking at that as like a natural regression point is a great way to kind of understand. And meanwhile, Dak Prescott had the lowest of his career last year. And prior to that,

was at an MVP level, and he was around 6% to three years before that. And so I'm like, I don't know, these are two teams with great passing options, with good offensive lines. I don't know why Baker Mayfield, who just had a career that's something he's never done before should be so much higher than a guy like Dak Prescott,

who kind of has done this multiple times. The best analogy, and I'm stealing it, J. G. Zacharyzen, who does great work, late round fantasy, and J.J. Zach reason describes it as like a handicap. If Baker Mayfield had never thrown 30 touchdown passes in his season, 30, and then last year he throws 40, why would you expect him to throw 40?

It's like, if you're a 90 handicap in golf and you shoot an 80, You don't go out and expect to shoot an 80. You're probably going to expect to shoot a 90. So I'm going to go ahead and expect that Baker Mayfield's going to have about 30 or under touchdown passes. And it's that simple. But I totally agree. And I think the point you made, Craig, is I think my favorite, which is pick which one of these guys you

believe in the most and go with that guy. So if you're like, I think the Niners are obviously a playoff team way better, like, I believe the Niners is your Gip Rock Bertie. If you think the lions are being counted out, like take Jared Gough, if you think Drake May is the truth and the Patriots are going to make the playoffs under Vrabil and he's going to be so much better with Josh McDaniels. take Drake May. If you believe in Liam Cohen and the Jags,

like I'd rather have Liam Cohen, who was Baker-Mayfield's coordinator with the Jags for half the price, take Trevor Lawrence. But it's very much choose your fighter. So with that said, D-K, which of these guys do you want roughly at cost? Because there's, again,

Hurti, Dak Prescott, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Drake May, Justin Herbert. Like, which of these guys, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, who of these guys do you want to bet on roughly, they're all, roughly available? Yeah, this is really tough because, So while you were talking, I was kind of like formulating.

We've talked about this a lot in the past, like the coward rankings or whatever, the non-cowardly rankings where like if you really get down to brass tax, what's the fucking difference between Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, some of these other, Jordan Love, C.J. Stroud. That's why I put him in a tear. So I left out. My point was I left out Drake May, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, and Brock Purdy

because you just got done with a whole tier called guys that can run, right? We added Mahomes, but I mean, at the end of the day, it's Murray, Nix Fields. And the reason they're ranked there,

and Fields is kind of sticking out like a sore thumb here, the reason they're ranked here is because they run. And in reality, like, I would rather have a guy who can run over, like,

you know, trying to decide to play whackable over which one of those quarter, is going to pass for 35 touchdowns this year. You know what I mean? Like maybe Baker Mayfield will do it. Maybe this year Justin Herbert will do it. Maybe it's Jared Gophic.

Maybe it's Jordan Love. I don't know. Like CJ Straub, maybe he'll have a great year. But most of these guys are wholly dependent on passing for a ton of yards and a ton of touchdowns. Whereas if you're chasing, like if we're getting real honest here, I think I would rather have Kayla Williams or Brock Purdy or Trevor Lawrence because these guys are rushing. the way that they rush, and honestly, this is ridiculous, of course, but you could throw in Bryce Young, who scrambles a ton.

These guys are rushing for four point, like they're averaging like 4.3 to 4 points a game just from running or scrambling. Can I ask you a question then? I think that's a great point, D.K. I like the way you put it, Wackamol, it's like maybe there's so many pocket passes then like, well, what are actually the odds you pick the right one? Kind of low. And that's the whole reason rushing quarterbacks change everything.

It's not just that they score more points. It's that you know who's fast and who's not. So with that said. So I think the, sorry to interrupt you. but real quick. It's like the reason we're ranking these guys in order is because in this order is because we're cowards. We probably should just be ranking like,

like we should probably be ranking these pocket passers like really late. And then the guy, anybody who can even remotely run like higher than them. Well, I don't want to, I'm not going to call you because I, yeah, I agree.

I mean, I'm calling myself out. I'm just like, I didn't have these rankings. So here's my question though for you. Drake May. I have some Drake May rushing stats here if you want. Should we just put Drake May.

ranked 10th among quarterbacks. Because to pull the curtain, everyone puts out their projections of here's how we think the season's gonna go. And then you look at your projections and you apply like common sense because projections are kind of like, you know, what could happen,

but then you also need a factor in ceiling and upside, upside kind of matters more. And then you apply context. And then also like what actually matters. But then you look, Drake May is being projected for somewhere between the 13th and 18th quarter.

But to what you're saying, the difference is we know we can run So it's, you know how easy it is to pair Drake May with Jordan Love? You know how easy it is to pair Drake May with C.J. Take your pocket passer, golf. Gino Smith. That's like undressed. So with the supply and demand of it of like, we know that the odds of pocket passer

between the 12th quarterback and the 23rd quarterback, the odds of picking the right one are like the same. It doesn't matter. With that said, should we actually just do supply and demand and put Drake May 10th, Caleb Williams 11th? And then all the pocket pack. And then Brock Purdy, even though he probably has better chances of beating them, he should probably be 12th.

Probably. I mean, Drake May, he is by far my favorite late round guy to draft. I mean, he ran for 420 yards last year on one designed run.

He basically just did that improvising and scrambling on a terrible team. And now he is a new offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, who was the offensive coordinator in New England with Cam Newton.

They have both said that they wanted to recreate that style of rushing ability with Drake May. Drake May's, Cam Newton is Drake May's favorite. quarterback. If you just extrapolate out when Drake May came in, him scoring or him rushing for

420 yards in the games he played, that immediately extrapolates like 600 to 700 yards. And if you start factoring in the use of him in the red zone designing plays for him, six, 700 yards rushing and, you know, six to eight touchdowns immediately puts him in an elite tier of quarterback rushing. That's like Josh Allen is rushing for those yards every year or maybe even less. So if you factor in the fact that Will Campbell comes in at left tackle that, you know, they did their best with the receiver room, which isn't that great, but it is improved. You have a better team. I mean, in terms of upside, Drake May might have 800 yards rushing this year and nine touchdowns, and next year he will be one of the top six quarterbacks you draft because of his rushing floor.

And it's a little scary because you're talking about taking Drake May 90th, taking Drake May andrith, but the reality is, you can get you in love like 130th or something. Like, and if Drake May really sucks. And you know what? He's won one game in his career, Drake May, starts. Like, all right, if Drake Me really sucks and we overhyped, I'm like, all right. Like, you have, Chino Smith off waivers. Two. Take two guys down there.

And so, yeah. So I, I think just the supply and demand of it makes sense. It's just, so I agree. Right. Yeah. I think it's like for our professional, like for our professional rankings, we're going to put the guys who have kind of scored around the same amount of points every year for their careers or whatever because they're safe.

Those are the floor picks. But if you're in a one quarterback league in particular, like those guys don't really help you that much. They're not going to win you your league. No. You want guys that are going to score 20 points a game. You know what I mean? And so,

and I mean, you could throw Caleb Williams into there. Obviously, he was horrific in his rookie year most of the time. And I had him on a team last year. There was, he had, I think,

three or four or five games where he scored over 20 points. He was awesome. But then he had a bunch of games where he scored like seven or five. And it was an absolute disaster. Obviously, you can't have that again.

But if, you know, Ben Johnson is as good as we think he is, that floor is going to be raised for Caleb Williams in theory. And he could still have that. We already showed us that he has that upside. He rushed for almost 500 yards just because he was scrambling around so much. So these are the types of decisions I think you have to make in the, and if you're in that

area, if you're shopping in that aisle for a quarterback, you can play whack a mole with C.J. Stroud and some of the Jared Goff and some of these pocket passers who could throw for 35, 40 touchdowns. Yes, they could. And they might end up scoring, but you have to pick the right one. And that can be kind of hard. And most of the time, these guys are probably not going to have still even the same type of upside as these rushing quarterback. So, again, Hife is always to cry, or what is it?

You just, like, moan and hate the fact that, like, rushing is a cheat code or whatever in fantasy football. We just need to figure out something. You bowed moan. We should be arbitrage of this. Yeah. But, I mean, it's the reality. It is a cheat code. And so it's just so much better to have one of those guys that could score 25 points a game because he's running around scoring rushing touchdowns, too.

I think, yeah, for league setups, my simple fix would be, like, rushing first down should probably worth half a point. But, like, it should just be lumped in with passing yards for quarterbacks. And, like, if you get the first down, cool. But, like, for, I don't get me started. But overall, and this is maybe a bad analogy, and maybe I'll retire it and never use again. But I think overall pocket passers are like, if you're hitting a baseball with a wooden bat when you're in a softball league, and maybe you're like, oh, I'm going to use a torpedo bat or use some other bat. It's like, you know what?

You're probably going to hit when you hit. The rushing quarterbacks are like metal bats. and it's like if you connect, you're going to hit it so much further, but also even weak contact is probably get you hit. Like Justin Fields, even weak contact for Justin Fields,

even a light, like he's going to get you on base. And I think a scramble, a scramble situation where the protection completely breaks down. He ends up running around for five seconds. He picks up eight yards on a scramble. It's a disaster of a play.

Or whatever, he picks up three yards on a scramble. It's a disaster of a play. It's still a positive play in fantasy. It's like so funny how that works. So with that said, my next tier, here, which is the last person that were drafted in a one quarterback league is Anthony Richardson,

who I think is a one-man tier. Again, he probably sucks, might lose his job. I don't want to just repeat myself in every episode, but it's the quarterback tier episode. So I will just say, I think Anthony Richardson's the most obvious by low, by the debt player I've ever seen in fantasy football. This is a player that we talked ourselves into for the upside case going as a top 60 player last year purely for upside. He's fallen 140 spots, basically.

he's undrafted, and yet all the upside is untouched, remains exactly the same. There's not one argument upside-wise for Anthony Richardson that we made last year that doesn't apply this year. The downside's different, but the downside's priced in. And that's the simplest thing I'll say. The downside for Anthony Richardson of, well, he might not play and when he does play, he might suck, is why he's going undrafted. The upside is not priced in. And so I think the last pick of your drafts, as long as it's possible, should be Anthony Richardson. Because again, the week one test, if Anthony Richardson

plays in week one and looks great for one half, you're going to feel so stupid for not baking him 17 times in a row. Maybe one whole game. Fine. All right.

There. I want to see if you get through one whole game. I need him to play a great entire game. But that's why I like the week one test because you know what? Maybe it's actually more like, I actually need a quarter into like week two. Yeah.

Like I need Scott Hanson on Red Zone to come and be like, look what Anthony Richardson. you just did career turnaround. And it's like him hitting Alec Pierce, but it's like week two. And you're like, oh, God, I didn't take that guy 17 times in a row

because he was tired for one snap last year. Just remember week one last year. He threw the greatest row I saw the entire season. I know. I'm just saying, again, I know I sound like an idiot talking to Anthony Richardson, but I'm like, he's your last pick.

How often do you hold on to your last pick? Cut him. With the price, I completely agree. I agree. And anyway, so I'm going to repeat myself over and over. I know people are probably gawking if they haven't heard me do this before, but it's just like it's, he has scored a rushing touchdown in two-thirds of his games,

and he's undrafted. So anyway, I think, by the way, and this is a perfect example of, like, what happens during the summer in fantasy football and like ADP, tracking ADP, like there was a couple weeks there where it was very obvious Daniel Jones is going to be the starter. Everyone's saying it basically as a fact.

Daniel Jones is going to be a starter for this team. Like, he's going to be the starter. At the last week, that is completely flipped. Everything I've seen is like Anthony Richardson has been really good in practice or at least surprisingly good. Maybe put it that way. And now everyone's like, oh, Anthony Richardson. He's winning the job. Like, he's going to start.

And honestly, by the way, the Colts are very motivated for Anthony Richardson to be good, right? Like, it's a huge, huge failure on their part if they have to start fucking Daniel Jones. Anthony Richardson, they really want Anthony Richardson to be good. And if he is even like remotely, slightly better than Daniel Jones. Jones, he's going to start. DK, I wish I had harped on that more myself. Like Chris Ballard, the Colts GM, waited five years basically after Andrew Luck retired to draft a quarterback.

And every year it was like, well, when I draft a quarterback, it's going to be TikTok on my career. So I want to get the right one. Anthony Richardson being a flame out and Daniel Jones, who the Giants cut in the middle of last year being their quarterback is a failure. And Chris Ballard will probably be fired at the end of the year if Daniel Jones actually has to play because Anthony Richardson's that bad. Like, they need him to be good to save all their jobs.

their jobs do depend on him getting better. That is plan A. I think Craig said this maybe a couple of shows ago. He's like, no one's risen higher in the ranks without doing anything in the last few months than Daniel Jones. It's literally just not Anthony Richardson. It's the epitome of like,

PR 101 just go away and like, don't do anything and you're going to rise. As a Giants fan, I heard everything everyone said about Daniel Jones. When that motherfucker was playing, no one would shut up about how much they hated watching. Right. And this is what's happened.

Everyone loves him. Training camp starts. And all the beat writers are like, oh, God, Daniel Jones is that meme of the guy just pointing himself in the couch like me? Uh-oh, just accidentally became important at my job. Yeah. Dude, that's the opening line is super bad. You ever see Daniel Jones on his own?

Not for me. Not for me. But so to bottom line, I don't think the Anthony Richardson hype is stupid, especially at the cost. Like, he doesn't cost you that much. It's all about the cost. In my perfect draft, I am getting a one of the, top four quarterbacks. Perfectly Josh Allen, but realistically,

Jalen Hertz in the fourth round. And I can get a couple receivers and a running back or something like Brock Bowers, you know, like a crazy first three picks. And then I get Jalen Hertz. Hammer running back receiver tonight. My last pick is Anthony Richardson.

And I have Jalen Hertz and Anthony Richardson a quarterback with my fourth pick and my last pick. And I'm going to win this fucking week. Pure sex right there. Yeah. That's my perfect draft. And then what's the inverse of that?

If you had, if you miss out on the first couple guys and someone just goes out of left field and takes Anthony Richardson and you basically you're forced to take a middle of the pack quarterback which one do you like the most Drake May I would take Drake May and then probably Justin Fields for Hyfitz right I like Justin Fields I mean that's tough I keep thinking about how I'm like betting on the jets and Justin Fields and I'm like is that stupid I also think Drake May could be like awesome like we know Justin Fields is not awesome we know Justin Fields is not awesome. We know that. Fields. Fields got Christ. Like, you're betting, you're betting, a little problem. You're not any good. You're betting on Fields to have a Darnold,

like resurrection is the other end of it. And I'm like, Donald had so much infrastructure. Like, you know, Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and Hawkinson and offensive, you know, like in New York like that or Kevin O'Connell. And so kind of, I also just thought Fields would be priced differently. Like, I kind of thought there was a chance Fields might go like 120th, which is at that point like JK Dobbins, you know, like, oh, like, you know, those are, Giovante Williams is going above that. And I was like, oh, but he's Justin Fields might go 90th or higher. And I'm like, at that point,

I'm like, now I'm betting on the Jets. And I didn't want it. That wasn't my intention. I, I mean, obviously, like, I know that you've been saying this forever, but it is ringing true to me right now in this moment that it's funny that we spend all this time thinking about quarterbacks and in real life football, like guys like Justin Herbert, C.J. Stroud. I don't know. Like some of these pocket passers, Matt Stafford, for instance. Yeah. Like, I would so much. rather have one of these guys as my quarterback

my team. You want to watch them play football? You know what I mean? I would be doing backflips if one of these guys was a starter for my team. Of course. And then, but like, meanwhile, we're talking about like, you know, forgetting Anthony Richardson or whoever these running quarterbacks. Yeah. And I understand

it. Like in this moment, I'm like, this is silly. But it's also, it's kind of awesome. Yeah, you know? It is like, it's like, it's fun. Because it's so chaotic. I think that it would, I just think that you should be, The missing piece in fantasy is you should be rewarded for first downs.

And it would be, for quarterbacks, yards and first down should be the same thing. Like, it doesn't, like, they should just all, and it's, if you're able to get it by rushing, that's sick. But you should be rewarded because we're not able to do it by passing. It's not worth more. Like, that's insane. The point is you made something out of nothing. That's the value.

Anyway, we don't have that argument now. No, I know. I'm not trying to make that argument. I'm not trying to have that argument. I just, I am, I'm feeling in this moment. I understand you a little bit. I'm having some empathy for you. I appreciate that.

It is still the reality. And this is what we're having this discussion. The last tier I want to hit here is basically if you're in a super flex league, guys that I would classify as like really high end third quarterbacks or totally serviceable second quarterbacks, which is I just put them all together. Tua, Michael Pennix for the Falcons, Stafford for the Rams, Bryce Young for the Panthers, J.C. McCarthy for the Vikings, Gina Smith for the Raiders, Darnold for the Seahawks now, Cam Ward, even for the Titans.

You can convince me in a different order. You can convince me J.G. McCarthy should be at the top of that tier. You could convince me to it should be higher. I personally just don't. Toa led the league in passing yards a couple years ago, wasn't even that high in fantasy. But I think McCarthy, Gino, you convince me any of these guys. But I'm like, if that's your third guy, you're cooking.

And if that's your second guy, I think you're fine. And so in Superflex, I'm happy with all those guys. And basically, if you have like Daniel Jones, Joe Flack or Tyler Shuck, then like as playing for you, you should waltz into the fucking C. Who do you think in this list? What do you think if one of these guys was the QB9 at the end of the season? Who is it? McCarthy plays 80% as well as Darnold, but it runs more.

That would be my pick. Like, McCarthy actually runs for like six touchdowns. Cam Ward? He kind of sticks out to me because of the out of control through the stratosphere dog levels with him. Just love them. And I feel like they're going to put a lot on him. You know what I mean? like from day one, he's going to get to do a lot of stuff.

And so I think maybe there's a world in which he has kind of like a Boenix rookie year. Oh, wait. Also, wait, sorry, there's another guy. Hello, Michael Panix Jr. For the thousand time I was going to say. That's the. Yeah, there's a chance that Pennix goes full James throws like 35 touchdowns, 18 picks. And they're just like scoring a zillion points in shootouts every day in the NFC South.

And it's just like fantasy points galore. I agree. Because I think Stafford for the Rams, like obviously Stafford could be great. And Gino too. but I think the Raiders ultimately are going to want to run the ball. But yeah, I look at Pennix. Pennix is just going to,

I just think he's going to hear it out, man. I think Pennett just going to fucking hit dingers. So. I want to see what James in 2019, the famous 30, 30 year. He was the QB8. And Mike Evans and Wisconsin were both top five receivers. 30 for 30 picks.

I think that might go down. That might never happen again. I think that might go down. That might be one of those records, like the interception records are never getting touched ever again. So funny. and 60 picks in their career,

which will never happen again. Okay, before we go to some dumb emails and other stuff, any other part in thoughts on quarterbacks? I think, so those are basically our themes. It's like having a sick fantasy quarterback is really fun and like get a good one if you can. But also, it's a very deep and varied year at quarterback.

So you can kind of, I think what we're saying is you can be picky and get guys you want or you can be selective and get guys you think are values. Like you can hold out for value or rushing. upside if that's what you want. And like, it's a year I would say you don't need to reach. Just take the guy you want when he seems like he's a good value. I think that's a good way to put it.

And if you have an opinion, like, I think the Packers are underrated this year. Yeah. Cool. Like go get you in love. And if you don't really have an opinion, like, or Dak Prescott's a good example. If you believe in Dak, cool, go get him. But if you don't have an opinion, probably just go get a Russian quarterback. Call it a day.

Did you guys say, you're going to sleep a lot better. at night having Jane Daniels at your quarterback spot. Have, like Lamar Jackson could just be on your team.

Like, I just do that. Did you guys see the video today of Will Johnson, the cornerback, rookie guarding Marvin Harrison?

No. No, I missed it. He, like, throws Marvin Harrison to the ground and it was a huge and I'm worried.

So what are you saying? This was like a day after, like Marvin Harrison just added 15 pounds of muscle and got tossed like the hockey player throwing that guy on the golf course.

Craig, I'll send you the video. There was another video circulating yesterday that was Marvin Harrison like one hand catch, back shoulder, awesome play. It's like you could have 50 compliments and one insult. You're like, fuck. The only thing you think about.

But Marvin Harrison arms getting bigger like with the biceps thing. The one thing about it that freaks me out is that we really were on to something when we were like, it's bad that Will Levis was ripped. Yeah, too ripped. Like, that's bad because it's like none of the quarterbacks, like that's not, those muscles just don't help you through a football.

Like, everything's about limber play. If you ever listen to anything Tom Brady's ever said, all the quarterbacks are getting, it's more about like flexibility, pliability. And it was weird that Levis did that. Similarly, like,

if you're an NFL athlete, biceps are like purely vain. Like, your legs, you're, we should do a study on this. The only quarterback who is truly, like, ripped is Jalen Hertz. Oh, even, like, Lamar's not, like, yoked. Josh Allen is.

Well, he got kind of yoked his last year. But he can squat 600 pounds. It's not his arms. It's his fucking legs. And it's like, Marvin Harrison, like, honestly, my armchair psychology, that's probably inappropriate for me to say, I just think he's insecure. Like, I think that he's, like, deep down embarrassed that Marvin Harrison had a bad year with every other draft pick.

Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas, Malik neighbors, Ladd McConkey. they were all so much better than him. I think he's embarrassed. And so he's like, oh, I'm going to get swall. And it's like, why are your arms big? You're a receiver. I know. And nobody was like, Marvin Harrison's too small.

That was not a critique. No. But I think it's like some conscious. He played kind of small last year, though. Yeah. It's getting, but that's up here, D.K. Oh, okay. But when guys, no, when guys had weight,

it's because they either felt, they were either told their body's breaking down or whatever. Like, hey, you need to get stronger. Or sometimes they're just like, you physically were getting body. and they're like embarrassed by it and they're like, I got to get larger. But if you want to get faster, I don't know, I'm a little worried.

I was a little offended that you didn't mention Aaron Rogers last year's QB18. Oh, you're sorry, that's an error. Rogers is in the group with Daniel Jones, Flacco and Tyler Shuck of, I'm sorry, no, I'll put him next to camp board. Rogers, let's see.

Last year scored better than Matthew Stafford, C.J. Stroud, Drake, May, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, Dak, Prescott, Anthony Richardson, and Caleb Williams. Shut up, Craig. Cool. If you won your fantasy league with Aaron Rogers last year, emails from your fantasy football at Gmail.

Emails. I think after talking this through, I have less clarity on everything than before. Okay. It's a funny, it's a funny position. All right, so toe rankings. We had a conversation because Justin Fields dislocated his toe. We started talking about which toe is the most important.

Well, Big toe, obviously, he's number one. What are the, what are after? Big toes, the clear 101. Well, like, the tier between second and five, it's, you know, it's like a really, we don't know how to rank them. So this, we got an email, our blue sky post from Andrew. Andy, Drewski. Who labeled himself the official podiatrist of the pod.

Okay. Sure. I mean, I guess. It wasn't taken for the record. If this is a good email, it's yours. Andrew came out to talk about. sentence corgami. Something that's never been said before.

Andrew said, having amputated more toes in central Pennsylvania than anyone. Jeez. Sometimes it's really funny to think about people, like our listeners, like as a, it's like part of our family. Like someone in our family has amputated a lot of toes. Way more than anyone. They're fucking cutting off toes over here. Central PA toe amputta.

This guy belt. Somebody I know is cutting off a lot of toes. Yeah. So. Benevolently, by the way. Having amputated. They have to come off. We don't know.

Well, having amputated mortals in Central Pennsylvania than anyone. My official toe importance ranking is, what do you guys think it is? I think it's one, two, three, fuck. Is it one, two, three, four, five. No. I thought it was one, two, three, five, four. I saw this, I saw this loose guy or whatever. So he says it is one, five, two, three, four.

Pinky number two. I told you, D.K. the pinky is important. Bullshit. I was robbed. 152, 3, 4. Does the goal regulation size or what? So he says,

I don't look next year. I don't believe you. The toe? The pinky toe? You can lose your fourth toe and forget about it in a month. And again, this is your big toe being one. I never have like once thought

about my fourth toe. I don't even know the name of it is. Ring toe. Ring toe. Ring toe. Which sounds like a disease. It does. Ringworm.

Because you got, you know, I got a ring toe on my back. Pinky toe, you got a middle toe. The second, I don't know what the second one's called. Is that my name? No. Pointer toe?

Is your, big toe your thumb? Technically. Yeah, I think it's got to be. That's weird to think about. Sometimes that point or toe is longer than the big toe on some feet. And sometimes it's called a classic foot. I got that.

A classic foot? The middle toe is longer than the big toe? Yeah. My big toe was longer than any other toe. You say was? Is. Oh. Unless Andrew gets a hold of it.

Yeah. Keep away from Andrew. Dr. Drew over here. D.K., what about you? You just got a jar of toes like heart eye. You have to Gilibor? Is your big toe a longest? Is your best his toe though?

Got that bass his toe though. D.K., is your big toe longer or is the middle toe longer? I can't remember. I think look right now. Can't remember. Look at your foot. What do your feet looked like? Okay, hold on one second.

Second toe. Oh, God. I'm not going to put it on camera. Do it. That's going to cost you. Foot on. My big toe is longer. It is concerning you didn't know that.

I couldn't remember. I couldn't know that. I told you I never want. I feel like, now I feel like Happy's catty. Wait, Andrew. No, that's just because you're only wearing one shoe. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

He eats the cracker. That one shoe on. That guy's great. That guy's in a lot of Adam Sandler movies. That guy's in Big Daddy. Andrew, I have a question for Andrew. What did you call it?

Highfit's, what's your foot called? Classic foot? Classic foot? That's what my grandmother told me it was. Maybe she was just... Andrew, email us back. Which foot design is more conducive

for athletic activities? Oh, God. Or does it matter? Like, does that have to do anything with running? Does it help balance? I do want to, I feel like we don't know that much about,

well, not we, I don't know that much about feet. My feet, I don't know, I have very flat feet. You do. You got wood planks down there.

I do. He's running on two by fours. Just clop, clop, clop, clop. My brother and his wife that call on potatoes. You got those Jesus sandals down there.

Dude, I actually, one fact, back when I lived in LA, we did ringer pickup. Shout out to Richie Bozack. Yeah. Richie's good.

Richie's good. Ringer pickup was annoying because everyone was like tall. Everyone had was like six two, six three and could shoot, which is like sucks. But I'm five, ten, and unathletic. But I actually once stopped. It was annoying. Everyone was tall.

I once stopped the Richie Bozek fast break because I was like 20 feet behind him, but I was running. And my footsteps were so loud, clopping down the court. He thought I was like way closer than I was with the layup and tried to like switch. You're throwing the sound with your feet. I was like at the three point. line he thought I was going to fucking LeBronick with all of him. You know, you know how in

Monty Python, they like, when they're running around, they like make the little clop noise with like the coconuts. Yes, that's me. That's me running. Can you hear me coming? It's every time. I cannot get enough high fits basketball stories. There's nothing better in the world. If we were still doing it today,

we would definitely put it on YouTube. It would be like a live stream every time we put it. I, yeah. I think it took me a long time to realize that I just kind of really took the football lineman DNA and just played basketball. He couldn't play in a league with refs because he'd foul out in five minutes. Well, you know that, no, you know when I had

to fill into the ringer league with refs, right? Have I told the story of the show? I think so, but let's hear it again. Would you go full bounty gate on somebody and then get ejected? No, who's offering hyphets to $20 per foul? Zach Graham comes up to me one day. I think I was still an intern. Zach Grant comes up to me one day

and just says, do you have basketball shoes? And it didn't do you play basketball? Do you have shoes? I was like, yeah. And he's like, so we had a league, whatever. And he's like, four people can come today only like we don't have five people. And he's like, if we don't have a fifth person, we forfeit. And if we fourthed this game, the season's over. So I was like, oh my God, like I just have to show up and play or else the season's over, which is crazy.

Then I learn it to church league. And you get a tech if you curse. So if you curse, so if I curse twice, the season is over for the team. E. So, and then I actually made a three on my first shot. And then I just, they had a law for him. They had a guy who was 6-8 and I just elbowed him in the kidneys till he called me a motherfucker and I got him ejected and we won.

You're like Lance Stevenson. You're like Lance Stevenson blowing in LeBron's ears. Literally like, that was all I had. So I got about halfway through it. They didn't have any other height. We won't. That's useful. Every team needs one of those guys.

I was like, I'm just trying not to, I literally was like, I made my first shot. I was like, I am not shooting again and just don't get ejected. Get this guy ejected and we will win. I did my job. Did my job. What kind of basketball shoes were wearing? Oh my God. Do you want to know?

Oh, my God. The tailors. Eccio, a now defunct brand for people with multiple ankle sprains that is like a ankle brace built literally the loser basketball shoes. And I had ankle brace. built into my shoes. Oh, it's defunct. E.K. TIO. If those people are listening, like, please make them again.

They're the most old man thing about me is I would have. I bought, when they went out of business, I bought four of these because I was going to wear them the rest of my life. Oh, I think they're Canadian. But their ankle braces built in. This looks like something Michael J. Fox is wearing in, like, back to the future. Yeah, they do. They look like space shoes. Dude, shout out to ECTO.

This is so funny that you were wearing these. Of course. Of course you were. They'd shout out ECO. Dude, they were incredible. They were great, you know, obviously limited market. They super went out of business. Do you still have them?

Oh, yeah, I have three brand new pairs. You don't throw away apparently. You're not like that. You still hooping every now and then or no? No, I'm, I, the pandemic, I just like, I don't know. I didn't, I probably played pickup basketball like two or three times the last like five years. I haven't played really since.

But golf and tennis now. I'm still playing in a ringer, a league with some ex-ringer guys and other dudes. I still play Colin Jackson. Nice. My fear is like, I feel like I'm too old now to just go and just get my shot back. But like... I don't think so. You're not...

No, but my shot has rusted it. Like, I actually would be... But I feel like your shot is the one thing that you can get back as you ate. You can't get your win back. If you went to the gym for three months and just shot around a bunch, you would get your shot back. But that's like, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to go either work out or I'm going to play golf. He's going to go once every six months.

Yeah, I'm not going to just go and shoot basketball. This is going to be horrific. You do lose it quickly. Like, me going to... Italy. I basically stopped playing for like three, four weeks, came back and was like completely cold. Oh, yeah. I completely, I completely vouch for that. You can, you lose it within like a week. So fast. It's crazy. And I don't exactly have the kind of game where if someone's just like, oh, he can't shoot. They're like, I'm kind of fucked because I'm a rebounder who's five foot 10, which on the wrong court is and slow.

And you can box. I bet you can box out with the best of them. Yes. Just get low. You play big. Just box them out into the, into like the stands. But I also. triple and I'm short. So if I can't box out and rebound, nothing's worth, again, the ringer thing where it's like, fucking everyone's 6'3 and can shoot. Like, everyone's just three and D in this bitch. And everyone has a handle.

And I'm like, if I can't shoot, then I'm like, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm the, enforcer and the only thing you could do is get other people ejected. Yeah, Lance Stevenson. Yeah. And I'm like, what's he, is he play? He's probably playing turkey right now. You kind of have like Rodman's skill set.

Yeah. It's like rebounds and getting other people ejected. here and I go and I do this. And I can't, what's your wingspan? Do you know? Do you know your wingspan? Yeah. I don't know my wingspan. How do you, when did you get your wingspan measure?

I feel like dudes like when you're bored, all the, like you're, of course measuring your wingspan. That's the most like this guys. Spotify poll. I do not know my wingspan. Oh, real. I think high school athletes who play basketball, every single one knows their wingspan. I did that. Like, through the poll, do you off the top of your head know your wingspan?

If you play sports. If you, like, have never played a sport in your life, then I don't think you should. I played football in high school. Like, I, I mean, I was right center. Craig and I didn't, I don't know my wingspan. Oh, wow. I'd be curious. But I played a lot.

Actually, no, it's like the league neighbors. It's like a whole different air than you. Seven inches. A yard? How long is that? Okay. Another email here. Oh, Jonathan just emailed in to say that he broke his tone.

The Davebone. before he listened to the show and kind of realized it was broken, like listening to the show. Oh, John. Interesting. Johnny. Did he get it fixed? Johnny No toes.

That's what we call him. Johnny No. Tosos. I got to hear more about this guy that's cutting off toes. Yeah, yeah. Email us back about the official podiatrist of the pod. You're the official amputator of the pod. Are people skin like frostbite hunting and stuff or what's the deal here? And there's a lot of reasons.

That's what I want to know. I mean, that's going to be the punishment for the ringer fantasy. It's like Mr. Deeds with the, yeah, the foot. Yeah, it's just black. Yeah. Oh, no, two more emails I want to read. This one's from James. Jimmy.

We're just talking about you. We just thought, Jimmy. Jim. Jimmy. James. We were talking about Aaron Donald workouts and how Jared Verst literally tried to lie to get out of the Aaron Donald workout. And then James emailed in, and he sent this video, I forgot about this, but Matt Stafford went on the Kelsey podcast.

I forget when. Matt Stafford told the story about Aaron Donald. And basically a make a wish kid, make a wish came to the Rams and said, we have a make a wish kid who just wants to work out with Aaron Donald. And Aaron Donald invites him to the workout at the facility. And Aaron Donald works to make a wish kid so hard that Matt Stafford works by. And the make a wish kid is just puking in the trash.

No way. He got his wish. It's careful what you wish for, kid. This is what a workout's like. How old was the kid? It'd be funny if he was like nine. It's funnier if he was like eight, but I think he was like 16. I think it was a high school football player, which is less funny.

But I would love the idea of a seven-year-old working out with Erdanold just to write up. It's like Pookin-Ku and your inverse also puking. Yeah, Pookin-Ku is like, did you also have Jack in the Box for breakfast? I mean, have you ever gone to a workout class with a friend who always goes to the class and you've never been? That shit is the hardest thing to just pick up and join in on one day. Craig, I was thinking that same thing just now. I was like the closest I've gotten to puking in the last decade was I went to a workout with my buddy at this gym that he goes to.

And it was, I don't remember, it was like the final part of the workout where they do like a, it's like a whole circuit. You have to do, come in, you like do like a hundred pushups or whatever it is. You go run and then you come back and you do like another thing and you run. And by the end, I was like, I'm going to fucking die. Yeah, dude. I went to a soul cycle once. I've only been one time in my life, kicked my ass.

It was so hard. So I quit. I feel like, speaking of high school, I feel like the first, like real workout, the first, like, two days and stuff, you end up puking if you're not in shape. But also the other one, honestly,

the other one is just like yoga, where I can't even get it. Like, the poses go so fucking fast, and I'm like, I am so out of my depth right now. Oh my God. Yeah. I took Pilates in high school,

I mean, in college. Okay. It's somewhat similar to yoga, right? was, and I don't think I have any idea what Pilates was. It's like if yoga was harder. So is Pilates like the one where you're on a machine? There's two types. There's body Pilates and then there's that type where you're on a, I forget what the name of it is, like a reformer or something.

A reformer, yeah. I actually didn't know that's what Pilates. I thought Pilates was a branch of yoga. A reformer? It was a medieval torture contraption? Yeah, yeah. It's like you are essentially just like contorting yourself with resistance bands and like, you know, was impressed when I saw it on VEP

and was like, what's this? And then I saw videos I think it's very hard. It was like pro athletes being like, I can't do this. Which is always gets my attention. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Because it's all like, it's all resistance, which is so difficult.

This looks like a new age. This looks like they laid a Nordic track on the ground and you have to do everything horizontal. Oh my God. You know, if you do reform or Pilates and why you do that to yourself. Do you guys know what a Nordic track is, by the way? I think of a treadmill.

You're talking about like the Olympics. No, Google Nordic track. It was a whole thing in like the in the 1990s and 80s. Nordic track? Yeah. You mean like a stairmaster? No, I see what you're talking about. What are these things?

A treadmill? It's a contraption. No, hold on. Some of the picks that come up aren't right. It kind of looks like a elliptical machine, like the first elliptical machine ever made. It's got a bunch of wires. Oh, my God. This looks so medieval.

This looks like my podcast arm boom. It's like basically you, it's emulating cross-country skiing. So you're like using, you're using the handheld things. You got like your stomach up against the pad. And you're, it's essentially like you're using hands as, uh, with your poles or whatever. I'm obsessed with like 80s and 90s workout machines. I think they are so funny. Craig, if you go on Craigslist right now, there will be probably like 30 Nordic tracks of,

available on the side of the street in Los Angeles. You know the words where you're like... Should we get them in Nordic track? You know the ones where you're like legs swing back and forth? You're like... Those are the ellipticals. Yeah, yeah.

But it's like, it's weirder. I don't know. And then there's a bike one where you're biking, but you're also moving back and forth with your arms. If you're doing rows and biking at the same time, they were great. Aerobics, like, craze of the 80s and 90s.

It was so fun. Death machines. Email us. have fun Nordic track stories or Nordic track in Los Angeles. And they were advertising them on infomercials. Remember those things? You guys might not. Billy Mays, like, you wake

up in the middle of the night and there's like Billy Mays talking about oxyplane. Yeah. Oh, my God. Slapping the tape on the outside of the water. The slap chop? The slap chop? Cutting the vegetables? That guy, that boat and he's just like, we built it with tape. Oh, yeah, flex tape. What's that called? Flex tape. It's a flex tape? It's a flex tape?

I've bought a few things off of infomercials before. Sham wow. Sham wow. Shake weight. Shake weight was a big one. Shake weight. Shake weight's maybe the funniest one of all. Emails if you have any infomercial stories.

We have two more emails here. I don't know. Oh, let's get you. Sorry. Save them. What do you want to do? No, go ahead. Go ahead.

At least you won. So we talked about the name Storm Duck last episode. Yeah. And Craig did the thing of, you know, people whose name, you know, you meet the parents. Well, we got an email from someone who said my name's similarly ridiculous. This email is from, first name, Chess. Chess. C-H-E-S-S?

Yes, like the game. So his name is chess necessary. How do you sell necessary? Like the word. Oh, is this last name necessary? Chess necessary. He hangs out with Ed Policy. Chess necessary.

The necessary. policy law. Imagine if they were a law for necessary policy. The chess necessary. Good God. Chess necessary. What a sick name. That sounds awesome. Chess necessary is such a cool name.

So his middle name is Michael. Oh, come on. He said the fact that Storm's Duck's middle name is Chandler really resonated with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like really, Mom and Dad? Chess. You couldn't have swapped those? I couldn't have been Chandler Storm Duck. I just can't get over the fact

his last name is necessary. Chess necessary. Necessary. Necessary. How many people with the last name necessary? Necessary. That sounds like a movie character and like an old leafy.

Chess necessary. She thought that was incredible. Chess necessary. That's unbelievable. As of 2000, necessary was the 23,922nd most common surname. Yeah, there's like less than a thousand people.

I think I found chest necessary. Because I don't, I can't imagine there's many. I think I found him on LinkedIn. We're going to check the Google, the Google, like, stats. I won't out him, but I think I got him. You won't out him? I think everyone's going to be able to find him. Ladies and gentlemen, we got it.

Is that him? Lexington, Kentucky? I think there's only one. It looks like a nice guy. He's got a good job. National Security Business Development Lead. I feel like we maybe shouldn't be saying all this online, but that's fine. It's on LinkedIn.

It's public. I found his Instagram. It doesn't follow me, by the way. Kind of rude. Okay. Chess? God. Chess necessary.

Chess necessary. Oh, it looks like he got married. Congrats. Congrats, Jess. This is necessary. Found a queen. Oh. Well played.

It's not really, but kind of. It was pretty poorly played. playing i'm playing checkers over here all right thank you dk thank you k thank you kai thank you all thank you all thank you everyone thank you chess thank you to chess thank you to chess yes i'm what are his siblings name that's what i want to know oh my god yeah chest he was follow up let us know thank you to chess thank you to chess's parents thank you it's a store of duck um thank you to quarterbacks thank you to everyone who lets me get gillen hudson fantasy this year thank you anthony richardson for making me look smart for once in my life hopefully

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Lauren. Thank you, Ski-Lo. Nope. No? Couldn't guess if you, I couldn't even fathom, I guess. Ski-Lo? You don't know about Ski-Lo?

I wish I was a little bit taller. I wish I was a baller. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. That's what I... Oh, ski, like, ski ball. Okay, yeah. No, actually. Is that, was he a one-hit wonder?

Yeah, pretty much, I'd say. Oh, yeah, I'm looking at this. Yeah, that's the only thing he ever charted, really. I wish I was a little bit taller. I wish I was a baller. I mean, iconic song. I mean, it's like tough because I'm looking at his Wikipedia, like top chart positions. And it's like 10 songs.

And I wish that song is the only one that has the blue link that means that song is the same. Right. You know, it's the only one that has a page. It's kind of how you know. So, yes, one hit wonder. Where did that come from? Oh, because the ski thing. What?

I was kind of like, how did you think of that? And then I realized it was the Nordic track. Oh, that's how? No, I was thinking, I was thinking of you playing basketball with all the talls. Oh. Oh, like low? No, you. Oh, I wish I was taller.

You wish you were a little taller because you're playing against all the six-foot-two shooters from the ringer. Got it. Well, you also, it's just all lanky. Like, everyone's like, like, everyone's got length, too. Every one, wing span. No one Craig mesh just his wingspan. It's got long fucking arms. Yeah.

Craig is Craig's all legs I am I'm all limbs I'm just When Craig sits in a chair It looks like It was built for like someone 500 years ago You know what I mean

Like when they were all short The lyrics Because they were all malnourished I wish I was a little bit taller I wish I was a baller The next line I wish I had a girl who looked good I would call her Okay

Wish you had a rabbit I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat and a six four Impala Impala Is a rabbit a metaphor for something Is that like a slang Or is he just wants a bunny

Yeah I don't get that Why does he want a rabbit in a hat Is that like a magician thing So he can be taller? Yeah I wish I was like six foot nine Because then I could get with Yoshi Yeah

She don't know me But she yo she's really fine Keep going keep going Yeah you're cooking Wait uh Give me a hand with what's the next because she don't know me but Yoshi really fine. You know I see her all the time.

I don't know what's nice. Everywhere I go and even in my dreams I can scheme of ways to make her mind. Yeah, great song. I don't think I could do the entire lyrics. I can do like the first couple bars, whatever. I just, I don't know, like in the writer's room, you're like, all right, what is the second line? I wish I had a girl who looked good. I would call her.

Well, he wasn't one-hit wonder, Craig. He had one line. Maybe writing wasn't You know his Calling Yeah Put together a sick beat Words don't matter

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