The Ringer NFL Show - QB Tiers and Fears (and Baker Traded to Carolina)

Episode Date: July 7, 2022

We discuss the news of Cleveland trading Baker Mayfield to the Panthers, and how this will affect Carolina’s season. Then, we run through each of our quarterback tiers and focus on who we are most fearful will burn us this year. We finish the show by reading a listener email. (00:53) - Baker traded to Carolina (10:48) - QB tiers (52:28) - Listener email Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Draft Guide! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Every Monday, the day after the show comes out on the prestige TV podcast feed. Wherever we get your podcast, but get them on Spotify. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Whirlback. And today we are going through our quarterback tears and our quarterback fears. But first, Baker Mayfield got traded to the Panthers today. So the actual deal. The Browns are sending Baker Mayfield to Carolina.

And Carolina is sending a conditional 24 fifth round pick to Cleveland that may could, dare I say, convey from a fifth round pick two years from now to a fourth round pick two years from now. DK, what do you make of this? The fact that it's a 2024 pick is just freaking brutal, honestly, for Baker. But they're really just paying his salary. That's like what they're actually. They're trading for. I don't know. I just feel like no matter how much you think Baker sucks, like a 2024 fifth,

like that is less than chump change. It's a good deal for Carolina. Yeah. The Browns are going to pay 10.5 million of his contract this year. And then Baker Mayfield agreed to drop. I guess, three and a half million from his salary in now. So basically, the Panthers are paying basically nothing for Baker-Bayfield to be their quarterback. Well, here's what they really did.

It's crazy. This whole deal, it's a good point. The trade isn't for Baker. It's for Baker's contract. The Browns had guaranteed Baker $19 million. So it's kind of like they're sitting around at dinner and no one wants to be there. And the bill comes. And the bill is $19 million.

And the Panthers and Baker are there and no one wants to grab the check. And eventually, after this long two-month stalemate, the Browns and the Panthers are, like, you know what, we'll split the check. We'll both put our cards down. But the Browns got the tip. And then Baker had to Venmo the Panthers for his drinks. And that's basically what happened here. Because the Browns ended up paying more than half the total bill. So the Venmoing, Baker, Venmoing for his drinks, that's him taking a three and a half million pay cut. Yeah. So Baker took a $3.5 million pay cut. It's expensive drinks. And then the Panthers basically, the Panthers are going to pay $5 million for Baker. There's so many aspects of this that are wild. I kind of

can't believe that Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald are on the same team. That's correct. I mean, Baker was taken first in 2018, then the Giant Sixthacaque, Donald was taken third by the Jets. So I was trying to figure out if the top two quarterbacks taken in a draft

have ever, ever been on the same team at the same time, literally ever in the history of the NFL, and the answer feels like basically no. I mean, you could argue that like, I mean, I think, I mean, Byron Lefich and Carson Palmer were the top two quarterbacks taken in draft.

And then at one point, Byron Lefich was a coach for Carson Palmer. Interesting. And then I think the Niners once took a quarterback, the same year as Montana in the supplemental draft. But the short answer is like, it's crazy. These are two of the top three quarterbacks taken in like year five. They're both washouts from each of their teams. The best part is they're making it sound like it's going to be a true competition. Like Darnold is going to have a chance to beat out Mayfield.

battle to the death battle royale I mean come on like Baker's gonna be the starter right Bill joked about the Jalen Brunson's sweepstakes and how it was the like the least sexy sweepstakes of all time and I think this might be just

the least sexy quarterback steaks yeah I don't know I think Baker is a clear upgrade it's not saying much for the Panthers which is why it's like a shock to me I mean I I've never been like a huge Baker guy like I don't like I don't think at least

realistically last couple of seasons. I haven't been like, Baker's awesome. However, the injury is coloring, the injury that he suffered last year is coloring our perception, I think, a lot. Plus, the fact that he's kind of just like whiny, talks in the media about, like, his teammates and blah, blah, blah. Like, there's just some things like personality-wise. He got too famous, too quick in my opinion. Too many commercials. He's just constantly in commercials, though, I will admit, his commercials, some of them are kind of funny. He's a better actor than a quarterback. No one would have cared about the commercials if he were good. Like, no one, I'm sorry. Like,

The problem was he was famous and he was bad. Well, he wasn't that bad, is my point. Like, his injury made him a lot worse. And I saw this from James Palmer in the 16 games prior. So full season prior to getting hurt, he threw 22 touchdowns to five picks. After his ratio is 11 touchdowns to 10 picks. So, like, this injury, the shoulder injury that he had a fractured shoulder last week, or sorry, last year, week six. And that has changed, I think, the entire, like, opinion of the entire NFL of Baker Mayfield.

because they got him for nothing. He played through it because of the contract situation. He bad on himself and lost. Basically, he wanted a certain number. The Browns were like, we're not paying you. We want to see if you're good. He gets hurt, and because he doesn't have the contract certainty, he kind of guts through it.

Honestly, he probably would have been better off if he had just freaking sat. Yeah, in hindsight, sure. Playing through it, I think, I think you're right, D.K., like I almost feel like I don't even know who Baker Mayfield is as a player. Right. Because, first of all, he's also at four offensive coordinators in four seasons. So, I mean, he was good under- Even the split you mentioned where he was really good before and then afterwards,

I think there's three offensive coordinators just in the split you mentioned of like the last 22 games or whatever. So I think on the other hand, it's really weird that more receivers not on the Browns are willing to criticize Baker than anything I've ever seen. Odell's dad came out and was like this guy's trash while Odell was on the team and we made fun and then it turned out like we totally get in retrospect why Odell wanted out. I mean, Steve Smith on NFL networks, Steve Smith, like legendary receiver, just was so content to shred Baker. And there is something odd about the comfort that, like, a lot of receivers seem to have in saying Baker's track. Didn't Robbie Anderson say, was it if Baker came to the Panthers? He was, like, going to joke about retiring. He's on the Panthers.

So there's, I think, several different maybe connected tweets. Like the first one was like an Instagram post saying, uh, maybe Baker is going to get traded to the Panthers. and Robbie Anderson just goes, no, like in the reply. But he said today, or sometime recent, like, basically he was just sticking out for his, what, he just felt he was just sticking up for the quarterback that was on the team, Sam Darnold. And so that he was just trying to be a good teammate. Well, throwing teammates, is this good for DJ Moore and receiver?

Like, does this move the needle for you at all? Like, I don't know. This is really strange. It's not bad. Like, it's one of those things where I don't know if it's necessarily going to boost his ceiling an incredible amount, but, like, we're talking about. Sam Darnold, who we didn't like really realistically expect him to be the starter for the whole year, right? Like he was going to flame out at some point, start throwing picks and bunches and then they'd have to go to like PJ Walker again or some like some bullshit.

I think this is good for all the skill players on their team. This is good. Bottom line. This is good. But I think that this honestly, you know, I'm kind of been radicalized by the quarterback nature versus nurture thing. I'm not saying the Browns were good organization, but I don't think it's coincidence that the Browns and Jets had two of the top three picks and washed out these very good quarterback process. And I look at it as Baker's also going to the, from one of the best offensive lines in the NFL to one of the five worst offensive lines in the NFL. So I don't know. So I don't know what the Panthers offensive line is going to do for Baker's career.

I don't know. Is Baker behind the Panthers O line and upgrade over Darnold behind the Panthers O line? I think so still based on what we've seen. I think, to be honest, this is a huge win for Christian McCaffrey. I think I like McCaffrey a lot more now. and DJ Moore. I think if you have to pick is his thumbs up

or thumbs down across the board, it has to be a thumbs up. Baker, 22 to 5 interceptions. I mean, like, he's commanded a decent offense and taking you to the playoffs.

Like, he can be a game manager. To me, best case scenario, he's like a Jimmy G. That's the name that came to my mind, too. Like, the 22 to 5 interception, touchdown interception thing is probably a slightly misleading. Sure.

Because, but like the efficiency is there, I think he can run an offense. I think the main thing, with that, like when you're looking at it, he's not turning over the ball in crazy bunches, like during that time when he was healthy, which is like the huge problem with Sam Darnel. Like, you just cannot win with a guy like Darnel

because he starts getting the yips and like throwing it to the defense every third play. So that's like, I think the main way that this is a big upgrade for them is like just the turnover starting to be backbreaking. Yeah, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, this is irrelevant and this probably means nothing for the NFL. Completely agree. Also, it's important to remember,

the one thing for Baker, he's being, doubt it again. I would argue Baker's problem. Was it the organizational failures of Cleveland? Was it all the things wrong with the Browns? Was it four-court distance in five years? Or was it that Baker got taken number one and he only is good when people hate him? I like your take high fits that

he should have not played and that he's actually worse off by trying to tough it out and bet on himself. NFL players are almost too tough where like if a player sucks while injured, we almost don't even consider the injury anymore and we're like, well he's terrible last year. And I was like, well, he actually had a broken shoulder and he was playing. Meanwhile, like in the

NBA, if Chris Paul loses a playoff round, we like write it off because he had a sprained ankle. But in football, it's like, no, I don't care if he had literally a dislocated shoulder for nine weeks. He sucked. And that means he sucks now. Yeah, to say the least. I think it's, Baker, you know what, that's the lesson. Just, you know what? Be a wimp. Don't play. I think McCaffrey is the same problem. Okay. So, Baker to the Panthers, very intriguing. Also, doesn't matter at all. Well, certainly not for fantasy. Oh, wait, so we've, they're playing in week one. They're playing in week one. They are playing the Panthers in week one.

Can you imagine if Baker doesn't win the job and Deshawn Watson suspended for the season? The Browns will have spent $50 million of cash and Deshawn Watson and Baker and literally neither might play a single stat for the Cleveland Browns this year? It'll be Jacoby Brissette versus Sam Darnold and the Browns are paying $50 million for that to happen.

God. Russell Wilson versus the Seahawks week one too. This is like the Revenge Week 1. It's going to be fun. I love that. I think the NFL should schedule. There should be Revenge Week. that's a good idea.

There should be Revenge Week every single year. They move the schedule around, yeah. Revenge Week is every time Carson Wentz is going to be the NS East, just playing the Eagles. Okay, let's do quarterback tiers and fears. Okay, I love this. So basically, we were talking about quarterbacks, and I think we basically grouped every even mildly fantasy relevant quarterback

into five buckets, six buckets, but we put them into different buckets and groups, tiers, whatever you want to call them. Because we want you to have an idea of like what, how we view these guys. And then within that tier, we're going to talk about who we're afraid of and who we really would like. So we're going to start with group one, getting into it. It's the Ferraris. It's Josh Allen for the bills, Patrick Mahomes for the Chiefs, Justin Herbert for the Chargers,

Lamar Jackson for the Ravens, Kyler Murray for the Cardinals. You can see our exact rankings at fantasyf football.com if you want to go along. But this is the top group because I think of this as they're Ferraris. You're going to pay a huge price and they're going to be awesome. Yeah. It's like you're paying for the privilege of having awesome time, having an awesome time while they're on your team. It is sexy and you will look sexy and you'll look at your team and you'll be like, damn, this is sexy. Yeah. I don't have like a whole lot to say about any of these guys. Like I'll be happy to get any of these guys. You are like like, like I have said, you're going to have to like probably pay up to get particularly Allen. Like there's some opportunity cost there because he's going to be going, you know, third round, second round.

maybe. Josh Jones is the number one guy, but would you actually take him early enough to get him or no? I would probably rather wait for the bottom list here. So I'm looking at the Lamar Jackson,

Kyler-Murray area for these guys because I think they have like, they bring that immense, immense upside, the exciting factor where they're running all around and scoring touchdowns on the ground, things like that,

but they're not quite as expensive. You don't have to like really reach quite as much for these guys. I like Lamar a lot out of this group. I think I would grab Josh Allen first because I do think he's I mean he was by far the best quarterback in the league last year

and guys like Mahomes and Herbert they don't run as much Kyler can't stay healthy but Lamar Lamar had a weird year last year and it looks like the ravens are going to go back to that like 2019-2020 model and man if you go back and look at what Lamar was doing I actually wanted to see like how these elite quarterbacks how consistent they were

to me when you grab one of these guys when you're in a Ferrari like every time you drive the car out the lot you need to feel good, the car needs to run smoothly. I don't want the highs and lows, which to me is like, in my mind, I think of Kyler Murray. I'm like, oh, he had 10 points this week, next week he has 35. I looked at all the players, all these quarterbacks, and saw how many times that they scored under 20 points in a game. To me, that's a disappointing game for these elite guys.

They should be over 20 every single week. In 2019, Lamar Jackson did that only once he had under 20 points in a single game. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. Kyler Murray did that six times last year. Josh Allen five times. Justin Herbert, seven times.

And so I think Lamar is the one I'm going to wait for and try and grab out of this group. If I don't get Josh Allen. I completely agree with Craig. I actually disagree in that I love Lamar, but Kyler kind of scares me. DK, you kind of like both. I think these teams are training in opposite directions.

The Ravens actually had three fewer wins than the Cardinals last year. The Cardinals made the playoffs. When I was looking at what teams are going to, from the playoffs are going to drop out, the NFC, the first team I pulled is the Cardinals. I think their defense is kind of awful at every level. The Cardinals' offensive line isn't good. As Craig said,

like, Kyler just seems to break down at the end of the season. And I know it's kind of hard to predict that, but it's real. Kyler, he plays through it. Lamar, kind of a wimp. Like, he sits out. That's good. But I do think that the Cardinals,

I kind of think, are right to implode. They have the in-season hard knocks this year, whereas the Ravens, I feel like they're going to die. I think the Ravens are going to win the AFC North. But if they do implode, doesn't that mean, in theory, that they're playing from behind a lot and they're like passing a lot

and he's trying to like make a lot of things happen. In theory, but I also just think it's a bad team. I think it's a bad team. I think it's a bad team. I don't remember who's called a finger pointer in February, presumably via leak. How many elite fantasy quarterbacks are on bad teams?

That's the thing. I mean, it's clearly better to be very efficient. I'm not like, I'm not saying it's better to be playing from behind. But like, I don't think that means he's going to fall off a cliff necessarily either if they're bad.

I kind of just genuinely think the card, I'm seriously, I think the Cardinals could have like a top four pick in the NFL draft this year. And I don't, like, if you're looking at these five guys, I don't, I don't, realistically, I'm not going to take Josh Allen first because I'd just rather have the, the players or tight ends in that area that he's going to go. Mahomes, I feel like without Tyree Kill and they're spreading the ball around more,

the name value is going to drag him beyond what I think his real value will be. He'll just be drafted next to Josh Allen, but I don't think he'll be that good. I mean, he's Patrick Mahomes, but that's the problem. I was going to bring him up next. If this is the tears and fears episode, I have more fear for Mahomes than I ever have. Obviously, Tyree kills gone, so things are different. But, like, he had his worst year last year.

Tyree Kill's gone. We have Juju, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling, and Skymore. D.K., tell me why you would take Patrick Mahomes over somebody you like, like Kyler Murray or Justin Herbert or Lamar Jackson. What is the upside there for Mahomes? So the upside is, number one, obviously the armed talent, the physical talent, everything we've seen from him over the last few years but also you're playing on a team

with Andy Reid who has been over the last few years and throughout his career very past heavy the chiefs have been one of the past heaviest teams in neutral situations over last few years like you're going to get a ton of volume you're going to play fast. They're going to throw a lot and I still think they're going to score a lot of points I think if you're hoping to get like the 50 plus touchdown

version of Mahomes that we saw a couple years ago like maybe that's not realistic but this is still my homes. It's still my homes. So that's kind of why. You mentioned the Andy Reid thing. Andy Reid basically never had a bad offense 20 years. Andy Reid is such a good head coach.

Can I just read you? He's been coaching. He was coached the Eagles in 99. Can I just tell you where his teams have ranked just among all the teams that league in points? Like last year, a quote, quote, down year, they were fourth in points. Sixth, fifth, fifth, first, sixth, oh, 13th, ninth, 16th, sixth, sixth, sixth, sixth, sixth, sixth, 16, 6, 29, Leshen Eagles got fired.

Before the eighth, third, fifth, sixth, 17, 6, 18, 8. I mean, he's been coaching for 20 years. 15 of the 20 years are inside the top 10. There's single-digit rankings. Here's all I'm saying.

Andy Reid has shown before, like when he had Alex Smith, that he's willing to like run a little bit more or be a little bit more balance, kind of play to the strength of his team. All I'm asking is in a year without Tyree Kill, now with Travis Kelsey, you're older, with these kind of hodgepodge of receivers,

is there a chance? They're still going to be pass heavy, but could they be a little less pass heavy and a little less efficient on offense? Yeah, I think what you're describing is the big picture. Last year, we were just going through all season, stumbling through, and we were like, these offenses are getting tripped up

by these two high safeties, right? And to deeply oversimplify this problem, the teams like the chiefs, the bills, the Bengals, I mean, the Bengals made the Super Bowl still. A lot of these teams, seeing a lot of too high, the Chargers had this problem, were built. in a ways that we're not prioritizing a physical running game

and these defenses were backing up being like, run on us, bitch. And these teams didn't quite have the versatility to do it the way they wanted. I think you've seen the Chiefs, the Bengals, the Chargers. A lot of these teams tweak their personnel, who they've hired basically to play for them so that they have more flexible to do that. Joe Burrow literally said, I think, last week,

that the Bengals are going to see more too high this year. And Burrow literally said, we're going to have fewer explosive plays. This is why I'm kind of down in Jamar Chase. because he had 13 touchdowns last year, half of which were like over 40 yards. And Joe Burroughs out of your saying, we're going to have more quick passing, we're going to have to run more.

And so I think the offensive output overall, it's just going to be more spread out, quick passing, ball out quicker, and more running. So with the Chiefs, I think Kelsey still gets his and Mahomes is throwing, but it's probably just going to be harder to predict

who after Kelsey has fantasy value on the receiving end. Can we just ban the cover two? Let's get rid of it. Make it illegal. It's just like the shift baseball. This is ruining baseball. The shift actually I don't actually care about the shift, but

I think, Craig, to your point though, like, if you wanted to shuffle some of these guys around, I probably wouldn't put up a big stink. Like, if you want Justin Herbert, you think Justin Herbert is maybe going to have his ascension this year and finish the head at my home? So I'm not going to, like, vigorously fight you on that. Like, he could be number one. I think any of these

guys could be number one. And that was kind of our point when we made these tiers is it wouldn't be whatsoever surprising if any one of these guys finished as a be one in 2022, right? Exactly. It's like, you guys are maybe saying Kyler Murray is the lowest on the wrong, but I'm like, if you look at Kyler, he's like one of like three or four

running back, or quarterbacks that could run for like seven, eight hundred yards and pass for four thousand yards. There's like only a few guys in the NFL that can do that. There's a reason we're calling them Ferraris. It's because you're going to spend that much money on something, you better love it. And for example, not saying there's something wrong. I don't know

if you want to go Lamborghini with like a Mercilago. I just would rather have a Lamborghini Ghiardo because that's the car I drove with and Need for Speed Most Wanted, the greatest racing game of all time. That's the one I want. That's like a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. I don't want to spend that much in a mercy lot. I fucking loved Need for Speed most wanted, but they messed up all the other ones.

I could talk about this forever. The blacklist on Need for Speed Most Wanted was like the best racing game. Oh my God. Stop me before I go into this too much. I think my game was Hot Pursuit. That's the one I played a lot. Oh, no. Need for Speed Most Wanted, the Blacklist and you know, work your way up the top

15 and it was like, Dicchio was like an underworld racing world and you got your car taken in a race because they rigged your car and they cut your oil line. And so if you beat someone in the top 15, like the top 15 racers in the city, but if you beat them, you got their car. You're not thinking of Need for Speed Underground, are you? No, it's Need for Speed Most Wanted. It was that if you beat the, you have to beat the 15th guy to race the 14th. What platform is the 13th guy to? PlayStation. You can only challenge a guy up, but you get their cars. So you get 15 cars along the way. Oh my God. I've never felt older. No, no.

I mean, you can play it on Xbox, too. But we, I was playing on the Xbox. I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyway, should we go group two? All right, so that's the Ferraris, Alan Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Kyler. Let's go to group two. It's set and forget.

It's Jalen Hertz. It's Tom Brady. It's Dak Prescott for the Cowboys. Russell Wilson for the Seahawks. Joe Burrow for the Bengals. Seahks. Russell for the Broncos. Oh, my God.

Yeah, Jesus. That just hurts my soul, hyphets. Wow, sorry. You're good, dude. You have Drew Locke. Exactly. Don't worry. I just choked on some water.

You saw, I'm only, you saw this week that, like, some guy tweeted at the U.S. Open and was like, not a real sport. It was the U.S. Open official Twitter account. And the U.S.

Open responded, not a real sport says the guy he's going to watch 17 games at your lock this year, which was really funny. But then ESPN sent me a push notification about it. And I'm like,

it's kind of weird that ESPN's sending me a push that says, hey, look at the official U.S. Open and making fun of a random person on our comments. And we're going to send this to your phone. phone and the whole thing was odd. Drew Locke tweeted

good morning to everyone, especially the intern who tweeted from the U.S. Open account. It's always like kind of a dig in social media people because social media people are well-educated, smart, and very funny,

and calling them interns constantly is kind of a dig. They don't let interns do it. They're not interns. Anyway, Russell Wilson plays the Broncos. The point is this group, which I was going to say it again because I went off a tangent.

Jalen Hertz, Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson for the Broncos. goes Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford. These are the set and forget guys. It's like you take them and you will just not worry about them ever again. Yeah, I mean, this is the group where you're like, okay, I missed out on the first tier, like the really high end guys that are going to, like, Craig was saying like 20 plus

a points game, like pretty consistently. But I'm also just not whatsoever worried about my quarterback situation when I take any of these guys. I'm going to take these guys and I'll probably not really think about my quarterback situation the rest of the season except for the by weekend if a guy gets hurt, right? like you're just plugging these guys in, you know they're going to do well. Really high floor. It's basically just like, you know,

like, I don't know how to explain it. It's like investing in a total stock market DTF. Well, now's not maybe the right time to talk about that since. No, now it's the right time. Now you get in. This is the exact time you invest. Bold when others are fearful.

Index investing. Just take the whole thing like it's really safe. Like you're going to go up, blah, blah, blah. This is just, you don't have to think about it. You sell the crypto when Matt Damon is saying fortune favors the bold and you buy the crypto when people are saying

I told you it was a fucking clown guy does down like 60% or something that's saying do you think that they feel bad about that? No. Yeah,

well it's down like 60 or 70% since Tom Brady had put laser eyes in his Twitter account. A thing that I remember when Tom Brady threw the game winning ball and Mike Evans

like not the game winning ball sorry the record breaking throw for total touchdowns in a career. And Mike Evans tossed in the stands. The guy gave the ball back and they gave him like a Bitcoin. And the ball, the guy is going to put the ball up for auction.

And then the auctioneer had to pull it because it was Tom Brady's last pass, touchdown pass. And then I just remember there's this quote from the auctioneer who's saying, you know, Tom Brady's a really hard guy to predict right now. And I just think about that all the time with Brady. Anyway. Yeah.

Did he get his money back or did he get a refund or whatever? Because Brady came out of retirement. No, because didn't the guy who bought- It's no longer Brady's last ball. Yeah, that's thing. It's worth us anyway. If you got the Bitcoin, the Bitcoin's better than the worthless ball now. Among the set and forget guys, ironically, I feel like the only one I'm even mildly concerned

about is probably Brady because it's Mike Evans and Russell Gage and he just didn't want to be there. What I don't like is Tom Brady assessed the Buccaneers and was like, I'd rather leave. And then the bucks were like, you have to. to stay? Yeah. I think it's going under-discussed that the Bucks might be different this year. I mean, shit.

Tom Brady led the league in passing touchdowns last year. He had 43. And he has the most attempts over the last two seasons. Right. Like, this year, we'll look different. Gronk has gone for now. Chris Godwin is not going to be around for a bit. Antonio Brown.

Antonio Brown is not there. So it's like, yeah, this team's got Mike Evans and Brady and I guess Russell Gage. But this team might be a lot more balanced. We keep saying Brady's a year older. I'm done doing that because I don't think that matters. That is how time works. We're like, you never know. Brady's a year older.

I'm done with that. At this point, he's so old that the extra year, it's almost like proportionally it doesn't even matter. So I think I'm the most hesitant, most fearful if we're going to stick to the title of this episode of Brady, to be honest. Yeah, I agree with that. But not because of his health. It's not because he's 58 years old.

It's literally because of the situation. The guys around him. But here's the thing, realistically, in this tier, if you're in this set and forget tier, like if you don't get someone in that top five and you have to get to the set and forget tier,

I'm just taking the last guy who's left. I don't see a huge difference. Like, but I think all these guys have similar upside in the week to week. All these guys are capable of dropping through it 450 yards. I just kind of feel like

I'm gonna rather take the running backs, the receivers, the tight ends there, and just get whoever's good. And then I'd rather wait two, three rounds and just get, oh, no,

I have to do with Matt Stafford who just won the Super Bowl. I don't care. The only guy in this group that I would feel like FOMO, is Jalen Hertz because Jalen Hertz was points per game like top five and now is A.J. Brown and what if

he's actually even passable as a passer? I think this is what the ghosts that are listening to the podcast are saying right now to themselves like why is Hertz not part of the Ferrari group? And we talked about that. We discussed it. Should he be in there? Should he not? I don't know. I think that there is... God, that's harsh to Corvette.

He desperately wants to be, but he's not. Exactly. It's a Corvette for people who can't get a Ferrari. I think, I mean, there is definitely an argument that he could be in that top group because, and if you look at the way that the Eagles started last year, super pass heavy. Like one of the past heavyest teams in the NFL. And then they kind of just, it wasn't working. They didn't have the horses to do it. Like, they just didn't have the talent at receiver to do it really.

Dude, Eagles fans literally, didn't they give an ovation when the Eagles ran during a game last year? Yeah, that sounds right. Didn't they have, yeah, because they had like, I don't even remember off the top of my head. It's like 30-something passes and like two runs. It was like some record. And Miles Davis had zero touchdowns, but then Jordan Howard came in and got like four. It was running back rushes. Like they, I think Jalen Hurts ran the ball a few times, but like they did they had like one or two running back rushes in the whole game.

So obviously they changed at some point during the season and went and became one run heaviest teams in NFL. I think there's going to be more. It's just like a simple regression back to the meet. Like they'll be more pass heavy in 2022. They're telling us they want to be. They trade for A.J. Freakin Brown. And I think that they can be more successful because I think Jalen Hertz, you know, has it in him.

So I think there is an argument to be made that he could maybe be in that first group. But it's close, you know. It's weird. There's a seesaw with Philly and Jalen Hertz. Like they started the season the first seven weeks. They were two and five. But in those seven weeks, Jalen Hertz put up 28, 21, 22, 28, 23, 26, 23. And then they started winning.

And they won, I think it's here eight of their next 11. And in those games, Jalen Hertz, to be honest, was a below average quarterback in fantasy. And that's when they started running the ball. So you kind of have to figure out what do we think Philly's going to do offensively, and that's how you tell where you want to draft Jalen Hertz. That's why I'm still going to lean toward just taking the last,

like being the last guy to take a quarterback in my draft. And it's exciting to take Josh Allen. If there's any quarter of reach for, it's probably Lamar. Jalen's intriguing. But at the end of the day, we're talking about these two groups. I'm just going to be the last guy to take a guy in group two. honestly. Yeah. I mean, that tells you, though, like, that's a, that's a strategy. And that's why we talk so much about, like, tearing guys, like, putting guys in tears. Because if you can get

the last guy in a tier, you feel really good about that. Like, I'm the same as you. It's, like, Stafford. I would not be sad if I had Stafford. I think Joe Burrow, despite what you're saying about the cover two thing, like, which is probably true. Like, I still think there's just this untapped side of bro. He's so cool. And you can get him a quarterback. Like, they were so run heavy for the majority of last season. If they just passed a marginally higher rate, like he could go off. I mean, especially he saw what he did in the fantasy playoffs last year,

like 38 points in week 15, 35 points, week 16. He was just passing all over. Yeah, but you likely weren't in the playoffs with him because I had him in like the four weeks before that he had like 10 points a game, that piece of shit. That piece of shit. Wait, wait, wait. I have a question about the set and forget group. Of these, what is it, six guys,

who do you think is perceived to be the least sexy pick here. Let's say you're in an auction draft with everybody. Who can you get for the cheapest here and who's going to get up charge the most? Dak is the cheapest to me. You think? Jalen Hertz is the least sexy in like

real life. People are going to pay for him though. People are going to. No, if you're in like fantasy and like, oh, Jalen Hurts sleeper pick, but if we're talking, you got to, like, if we step outside of like pure fantasy football ends for a second, like think about these names. Tom Brady is Tom Brady. Russell Wilson.

is Russell Wilson. Burrow just made the Super Bowl. Stafford just won the Super Bowl. Dak is the quarterback for the Dallas fucking Cowboys. Jalen Hertz is the quarterback on a team that doesn't even want him and might not be a good thrower of the football. And it's just kind of funny he's even here. If you're not playing in a team in a league with a bunch of Cowboys fans,

so who gives the shit? I was going to say, unless you're playing in a league with a bunch of people who just woke up for the first time, yeah, perhaps it is. They're going to be like, wow, Tom Brady. That's cool. But like, in reality, I don't think Tom Brady is sexy at all. this year. And I think D.K., I think it's Dak and Brady who are going to be

probably the cheapest of this group. Yeah, I guess in my experience, I don't want to say literally wrong, but I think this is literally true. I think in literally every fantasy football draft I've ever done, and I literally mean literally. Lots of literally. Tom Brady goes earlier than

his ranked spot in the draft room. Is that, you know what I mean? Like, there's always somebody who wants to take Tom Brady early. Oh, interesting. I don't think I feel the same way or I have experienced that. I usually think Brady goes for cheap. Someone just wants Brady more than I did. Like it's just you 10 people, 10 people like football. One of them's like Tom Brady. That guy wins. My point is to try and figure out, you know, which guys are going to be perceived

as less valuable. And if you're comfortable taking those, wait on them. You're probably right about DAC because Russ is on the new team. The Broncos are exciting. Burrow made the Super Bowl. Everyone's excited about Burrow. Dack lost to Marri Cooper. Yeah. So probably is deck. So those are the set and forget guys. Group three is also set and forget guys, but we find them kind of annoying. So it's Aaron Rogers, Kirk Cousins, and Derek Carr. If we're big honest, they're probably just as good as the other guys, but they're just

kind of annoying, like on a personal level. Like they have bad personalities. Right. Like we just don't really, we just find them annoying as people so we don't want to pick them in the fantasy drafts. Aaron Roger, speaking to that, can we talk about the. tattoo. We got to talk about the tattoo. This is, this is big. Okay. You guys saw

the Instagram. Okay. So Aaron Rogers, this is today, right? Yeah. Okay. This is Wednesday. Yeah. So Aaron Rogers, Instagram's today. Let me get the actual thing here. Can I read it? Please do. Okay. He posted Instagram, check it out. And he actually posted the Instagram with the guy who was the tattoo artist.

But he said, first tattoo from the goat himself names the tattoo artist, grateful for his mastery and friendship. There's a deep and meaningful story and connection to absolutely each element of this art piece. And I'll share a little more about that one day. For now, just thankful for the tattoo artist and his patience and artistry. Hashtag tattoo. Hashtag astrology. Hashtag the elements. And then just a loose rogue hashtag. He just has a little hashtag at the end there. So I have a lot of thoughts on this. My first... Should we describe what the tattoo looks like? Yeah, good like describing it.

We have to describe it. Also, if you're listening to this pod and you're not like doing the is just saying, go to Aaron Rogers' Instagram right now. It's like, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a mix of an astrological sign symmetrical, like a moon, it's like a half moon with a roaring lion on like the dark side of the moon and a calm lion looking at like in a mirror image of a calm lion with what I can only describe is like the Egyptian all seeing eye over them in the middle.

And then what looks like, astrological, I don't know if it's a wrong. Ryan's belt, but it, I don't know if the stars, like the day he was born, there's a, the, the, the, the male logo. Under it, there's like the piece of California water. I don't know. The male logo. I don't know whatever that thing's called. Whatever Austin Powers says. That's the logo for the males. You know how there's, there's, like, there's, like, websites now where you can tell AI to, like, like, draw me a photo of an elephant playing poker. Dolly thing. If I got that AI to, like, study Aaron Rogers over the last three years and I said, create a tattoo that you think he'd get, it would like, it would. look exactly like this. I'm going to actually, I'm going to literally do this, Craig. About this tattoo is it's kind of like

a newer age, like artsy tattoo. Like, you know how like Zoe Kravitz has a bunch of tattoos, but they're all like very thin lines, you know what I mean? Vaguely. It's just, it... Haven't spent a lot of time studying Zoe Kravitz's tattoos. I've been staring at this thing and trying to figure out

what it means. And what do you guys think the roaring lion looking at the calm lion is? The duality of man. Yeah, it's like two. having two personalities, like one that's in the game versus one, the guy that I am on the field versus who I am off the field, blah, blah, blah. You know, we have a listener who emailed us and tried to guess our astrological signs

and actually got it like pretty scarily, right? We might have to do a little consulting. It was Tatum. Shadow Tate. We might need a consult. Tatum, please shoot us an email and we're going to have to figure out what this means. What should I command for Dolly to draw? So what is the all thing?

I honestly, this is. I like Rogers. First tattoo. Aaron Rogers. That would be nuts. Yeah, do it. Shout out Matt James, who is our art director here at the ringer and not the bachelor, the other one.

And Matt James said, this is like an onion headline where it's like man gets tattoo, assures everyone it means something. Yeah. Someday I'll tell you all about it. So anyway, this is why Aaron Rogers is in this edit and forget, but kind of annoying group. That's why? because of that too.

If he had Devante, not the years and years of prior things that have happened. It's also for the Devante. But yeah, he lost Devante. Alan Azard is his top receiver right now,

apparently. Also, like, Aaron Rogers, I just don't want to deal with him this year. Literally, he might be the only player in the league where just his personality

annoys me enough where I'm like, I'm good, I don't know. Well, he's not true set and forget, because you can't forget about him. He insists upon himself. He's got Kai Riva.

It's like week forward. He's going to be like, I just don't feel right. I'm not going to play. And it's like, dude, I just pulled up the Dolly images. Holy shit. That's exactly it.

If Rogers Instagrams himself with Kyrie Irving, you'd be like, that totally makes sense, which is why he's not quite a set and forget. He's a set and kind of worry about in the back of your mind.

And he's 40 and his receivers suck now. But yeah. I love we're talking with the rating back-to-back MVP like this, but it's true. And then we got Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr, who... I feel Derek Carr probably doesn't belong

in this group. Yes, he does. He's kind of annoying. Cousins. Derek Carr's kind of annoying. Yeah. I don't, yeah,

I think he's like much less, uh, what's the word? Controversial, I guess. He's just a little bit like of a doofus, I guess.

I don't know what the word is. I think Derek Carr's whole career is like that madman elevator scene. Is Kirk Cousin's because he's anti-Vax? Is that why? Other than that, he's just like, yeah.

Well, that's fresh in my mind. The original team he was drafted on, took him to be a backup, and then he, like he went to war with this original team. They didn't even want to give him a contract. He's been caught, oh, I think he's lame.

Uh, for sure. He's lame. Remember the time he Instagramed the stakes and everyone looking like, what's meat are you cooking? Yeah. Why do you use your steaks have no grill marks on the grill? He looked into the camera and says you like that. I think Derek Carr seems like a nice guy, to be honest.

Derek Carr seems like a great guy. Derek Carr seems cool. I think that I like Derek Carr. Putting Derek Carr in this group is rude of us. One, if you see his music videos and two, I think if Derek Carr like, The madman scene. Or not madman scene.

One of my time, wow, that's embarrassing. I confused it with Casa. Is it Casablanca where he's like, well, what do you think of me? And he's like, I don't. Yeah. It's like, that's,

that's, that's Derek Carr. It's just, no one thinks about Derek Carr. Yeah, but these guys this year are like, and it's sad that this is where Rogers is, and maybe we're going to get a lot of emails being like, you guys are fucking idiots.

He should not be this low. How dare you put him with Derek Carr? But Derek Carr just took his wide receiver. Kurt Cousins is, has maybe the best receiver in the least receiver in the league. And look, Cousins and Carr were like Hall of Fame waiver options, right, for the last five years. They were like the ultimate, oh shit, Josh Allen's on by, let me hop to the waivers in my Tempe League. Oh, Kirk Cousins is playing the Jets. Let's do it.

And what we're trying to say here is, are they a little bit better than that this year? Well, now the Vikings are in a past first team in the system that Kirk Cousins has, you know, a cousin of the system that, not I didn't mean it that way, but Kirk Cousins is an cousin of the system that he's had the most success in with like a McVe-like offense now. Look, is it crazy on the surface for Rogers to be in this group? Yeah, he's one of the MVP. The reality is, this is why I'm going to

shout from the rooftops. You should be doing two quarterback leagues this year as Superflex because someone has to be a bench player this year. It's either Rogers or Matt Stafford or Joe Burr or Russell Wilson. If you're in a 10-team league, one of those guys is a bench player. Let me ask you guys a question. Of these three players, Rogers,

cousins, and Carr, who right now we have as our 12th, 13th, and 14th quarterbacks. Which one would you pick if you needed to start your season with them? Cousins, I think. Really? I was going to say Rogers, Carr, and Cousins in that order. I'm intrigued by the Cousins being a quarterback of the Sean McVeigh offense. Okay, now let me ask a different question.

Raw talent alone, how do you rate these guys? Obviously, Rogers won. Then what, though? Raw talent. Rogers, Derek Carr, Cousins. Again, same order. Rogers has more talent than them. Well, obviously, yes, but I was thinking about Carr and cousins.

I think Carr is more talented. Kirk. Kirk is a rule follower. Kirk is... Derek Carr just checks it down. No, no, that's an outdated thing. That's not the case. I think Kirk Cousins is like a robot, and you can tell him what to do. Someone called him paint by numbers, but when he has the color outside the lines,

he's got nothing for you. But he can paint by numbers really well. He's got nothing for you. Okay, so that's the group we're being in to. the next group is just straight up Tray Lance because there's no one else like him. The name of the group is Tray Lance. We talked about Tray Lance in the last episode

a long time. Trey Lance is going solo. Jimmy's still on the team, but guess what? Trey Lance is going to be the starter. And we don't know what to do with him. Kyle Shannon, like, it's not fair to call him an upside quarterback because he's going to start. He's probably going to run a lot.

He conceivably could be a top four, top five guy. But we also have no idea what to do with him. He's an incredibly raw player who did not look good last year should not have looked good last year but did not low expectations kind of didn't even meet that now he's going in and and i think that tray lance is like the perfect wild card to pair with one of the other guys like you want to pair tray lance to therein rogers or stafford or borough like you want to pair them with a consistent option because tray lance rushing wise could be top two but he also could be you know borderline 20ish yeah i mean if like that means you're going to have to

take, you know, a guy in the eighth and tenth round, a quarterback in like the eighth and the tenth round, ish, or ninth and tenth round, go back to back on quarterback. You might have to. But like you're saying, so you should take, like, Derek Carr and then Trey Lance? I mean, you could just roll the dice and just take Trey Lance. I'm saying that. Yeah, yeah.

You're chasing Lamar Jackson from three years ago, where if Trey Lance hits, you're looking at a guy that just, you know, could lead all quarterbacks and rushing, rushing touchdowns, etc. in the Shannon offense. We talked about him quite a bit in the last episode, but Trey Lance is his own tier because he's not as good as any of the guys

ahead of him, but fantasy wise probably is more upside. The next group, you know when you do laundry and you go through your pockets and you hope you find money? Yeah. That's the next group.

To be honest, I don't, this is like an old wise. I feel like people did that in the 80s. I don't know. People don't carry cash anymore. That's a good point. This is like when you go into, if you go into your Venmo account

and you're like, holy shit, I got $87 dollars in my Venmo account? That is exactly it. transfer it. That's better. Oh, it's like when somebody charges you 60 bucks for dinner and you're like, damn.

And then you open up Venmo and you're like, I have 72 bucks in Venmo. Yes. This feels like a free dinner. That's probably better. I'm not looking for nickels in my jeans. I've literally never put change in my pockets, ever. I just fucking put it in a tip jar. I've never held change before.

I've literally never seen change. I don't want to carry it around. It's too heavy. I don't know how this fits anyway these are those quarterbacks I would literally rather throw away pennies

than carry them in my pocket throw them in the garbage You ever go places and it's like coin shortage I'm like who's taking them all Craig's just throwing them in the trash that's who

I'm just tossing them in the trash Oh man That's like the next group Should we just skip to the next So the current group With my outdated laundry pocket money was going to be Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Daniel Jones. Maybe it's more like, you know, you lose your AirPods.

Is that like a more modern thing? And you're like, oh, I want to make sure I don't wash my AirPods. No, the Venmo thing. It's the Venmo thing. Okay, nailed it. Fine. So it's Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, and Daniel Jones. We just went over this.

It's the Venmo thing. Hyvitz is like, I need a metaphor that I thought of. So what, you check your Venmo and you're hoping that you have a balance and you kind of no. No, it's literally you click on Venmo or like Craig said, if you like, owe someone money in Venmo and you're like, holy shit, I have $87 in my Venmo account. This is a free dinner. It's just a pleasant surprise.

That's what you say. So you go, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Daniel Jones. Because it's like the rushing upside for Fields and Daniel Jones, but also the bears are probably terrible. Well, Daniel Jones is just probably terrible. Trevor Lawrence might be good. Yeah, like, to be honest. So these are the guys you take laying the draft.

These are more like your second. If you miss on Trey Lance, these are the other lottery tickets you can scratch off. I think there's a world in which Fields runs more than people are expecting. Maybe this is like the new regime decides to like let him run and open things up a little bit. And that will make him much more valuable in fantasy. And some of his starts last year, you know, he was scoring 18, 20 points a game because he was running quite a bit. And that's nothing. And if you're a running quarterback, honestly, you can suck at passing.

But the nice thing about Fields is I think he's a pretty damn good passer. But altogether, like his team's just so bad. Like it's just hard to get excited about him this year. Like, his surrounding cast is not very good. They didn't really do a lot. It feels like they're punting on this season overall, just offensively. And so it's hard to get too excited about fields. When it comes to Daniel Jones, like, you're really betting on, like, I think what we saw

very early in his career where he had a couple games where he was scoring like 30 plus fantasy points. You're like, he's got it in him. He's done it. He's done it in the real world. Can he ever get back to that? And obviously, dayball is the guy to do it. But it hasn't happened in two years.

And so, you know, obviously that's why his ADP is so low. And then Trevor Lawrence is Trevor Lawrence. So, I mean, we've, like, the potential's there, the talent's there. He's on a fucking train wreck team. Maybe this year they'll actually get back together, get things going in the right direction. You know, if you're going to take one of these guys and depend on them to start, to me, I want them to really outperform. Like, I'm not looking for them to do what Fields did, like you said, DK, 18 to 20 a game. If I want that, I'll just draft Kurt Cousins.

He's also super cheap. Or Derek Carr. He's also super cheap. Like I only want to draft... Probably higher floor. Yeah. Yeah. I only want to draft one of these guys.

But it's honestly like Kirk Cousins and Daniel Jones's ceiling to me. I don't think they're that far apart. I only want to draft a guy here who I think could become Justin Herbert as a rookie. And to me, I think it's clearly Trevor Lawrence. Well, no. The difference for these three guys, the reason that if you miss on... So basically we're saying here is Tray Lance is like, I guess you could take him as your starter or just an extremely high upside backup.

I think this group is if you miss on Tray Lance, but it's the one of high upside. quarterback. Justin Fields, you're taking just in case you've got the extra Venmo money. Justin Fields is like, just in case, actually Justin Fields will lead all quarterbacks in rushing yards this year or rushing touchdowns. Daniel Jones, you're taking just in case, he's actually the Giants goal line back. And maybe Daniel Jones half into the season has more Russian touchdowns and Sequin. And then Trevor Lawrence, it's like, well, he's Justin Herbert now. I think that's the case. It's not likely to happen. You just want to find out and you want to find out with them on your team. I don't know about, maybe I'm just guarding my own heart, but I just feel like Daniel

Jones will not be. Daniel Jones is more like I'll pick him up off waivers if he's good. Yeah. I really think we're, everyone's just conflating the Josh out. Like if. Yeah, exactly. Brian Dayball came from a different team. I don't know if we'd be as excited. We're really doing the Josh Allen thing too hard. It's crazy. And believe me. All right, group six, I have this one, do kids do this these days? I have this one when you know that you open the fridge and then five minutes later you open it again, just kind of hoping new food is materialized? And like, you know it hasn't. No, you know, here's the modern version of that. You hop on to Postmates and you check all the restaurants in your area and you hate them all.

And then 10 minutes later, you just go back on and look at them again. Yeah, literally that. And so it's like Mitchell Trubisky for the Steelers, Zach Wilson for the Jets, Marcus Marriott of the Falcons, Jared Gough for the Lions. It's like, we've done this. You log into Netflix and you'd go through all the what's new and what's trending. It's still all the same goddamn shitty stuff. I don't want to watch outer banks.

Stop asking me. The show does look too hot to handle Netflix. I'm good. Netflix recommends. I watch zero reality TV shows Netflix. Please stop recommending reality TV dating shows to me. So I have a question. Do you think Netflix is bad at recommending some things to you?

Do you think they're just forcing it to get you watched stuff? Or do you feel like you've given your password away to people you forgot have it and that they watch it on your account and they're messing it up? You've mucked up the algorithm? Yeah. That happened to me for like three years. I didn't realize, I just thought Netflix was terrible, and I realized, like, I just had a friend watching on my account.

She didn't even tell me. You know what I found out? You can get a VPN and watch Netflix from, like, for regions and, like, other countries, and there's, like, really good content. It's like, I think they just limit my region to, like, really, like, just a lot of drek that I don't want to watch. Is it like a fantasy VPN? Can I be honest with you guys? I don't, I don't have my own Netflix account.

I use my parents still to this day. You know what it was funny and undiscussed? Come at me, Ted Sarandos? You know what was really funny and almost underdiscust? When the Netflix stock price dropped, because they're like, hey, by the way, we don't have as many subscribers as we thought. You know what I mean? Is there like any fact in American culture more people could have agreed on

than obviously they don't have as many subscribers? Like, I can't believe people didn't. Why was that such a surprise? Well, it was the first time ever that they reported less subscribers than the quarter prior. But anecdotally, didn't everyone kind of, couldn't you everyone looked around at their own life and been like well yeah only 20 or 30 percent of the people I know are paying for this yeah I guess so I think a little bit I think it's mainly just like there's too many streaming services now and Netflix has stopped making good shows so people

just kind of bailed but yeah yeah I think it's funny that uh people get upset because there's now talk that I think I don't know Craig you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong here but like people are talking about like making HBO is cracking down Netflix cracking down whoever was cracking down on like people sharing passwords. And everyone is like pissed. It's like it's like in France when they try and like expand

the work week to 40 hours and they fucking riot. It's like people are pissed. I need my fucking free accounts man. I'm free to share this. This is America. Yeah, it's a nightmare. I mean, no one wants this. I don't, I can't believe Netflix has held out this long. Like good

good on them. But it's like clearly clearly they need to do this. like to make a long-term product. The fundamental business model of just like, we're going to open a dollar store. But listen, we're going to sell everything for 75 cents. And then later,

when we charge a buck 50, they'll stay with us. And it's like, no, no one likes your dollar store. Okay. We've really got off track here. What are we talking about?

I don't know how we got any of that. I wonder if Craig's... Who do you like out of any of these four guys? Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson, Marcus Marriota, and Jared Goff. So again,

with the knowledge that, none of these guys are good. I think the rushing will have to be so extreme for one of these guys to be good that I think it's Mariota for the Falcons because Arthur Smith did that with the Titans and Ryan Tannahill and Mario,

I mean, ironically, Tanhill took over for Mariota, but with like three years more experience, I wonder if Marioita could execute Arthur Smith's for the Falcons. There's literal precedent for an Arthur Smith quarterback that we already knew

and had written off coming out of nowhere to be good. So I feel like it's Mariota. I think it would be a fun hot take. Maybe I'll save this for the take purge later on. But like, it would be funny if Jared Goff suddenly starts to be like pretty competent again in fantasy. Jared got in Sean McHale's just bad at whispering to quarterbacks. Well, here's the reason why. It's like I don't actually believe in Goff.

But like they've put so many good players around him now. They got DJ Chark in the out season. That's not a huge deal. But like Jameson Williams in the draft, that could definitely change the dynamic of their offense. Amman Ross St. Brown is second year. Hawkinson, continuing to ascend, you know, pretty good run game, really good offensive line, new, new offensive coordinator, like, there's a world. Imagine a world in which Jared Goff is

actually a meaningful fantasy contributor. It'd be fun. Actually, I don't know. He's just going to be the new Kirk Cousins. He's just average. Well, that's fine. I like Kirk Cousin's a fantasy, honestly. We are ignoring Mitch Chubisky here with the best, the best offense of his career. Actually, I'm going to ignoring Mitch. Okay. Those are our quarterback groups, to be clear. Are we all just trying to take a set and forget quarterback and pair it with Tray Lance? I'm afraid that Tray Lance.

I think Tray Lance is too earlier to be to be a QB2. I think he's going too early to be QB2. He's not going to be cheap. I really don't. I think by the time August rolls around, like, Trey Lance is going to be like in the top 10 drafting. And I just don't think you're going to be able to have him as a backup. You got to have some conviction.

Are you going to take him and like week one starter? Are you going to do it? I probably am taking Trilance Week once. I would be willing to. I'll do it. I probably am. Okay. There we go.

We figured it out. You want to get some emails? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. It's an email from Eric. Eric.

Eric. I joined my main league in 2010 and it was miserable. One playoff appearance at 11 years. Six appearances in the last place bowl. That's statistically like incredible. Then I found your podcast last off season and it's not an understatement to say it changed my life. That's a problem. Oh, yeah.

I was so confident with your analysis that I declared it the draft it was my year and months later I walked away with my championship. Wow. From the draft to free agent signings you help assemble strange but championship caliber team

I even took hyphids as Mike Davidson faturation and flipped him for Sony Michelle which was hanging playoffs. I have done plenty of bragging since then but I want to take my ringer and do swagger from 2021, run it back for 2022. Every year my league hosts a big draft party and as championship teams often do with

their first home game in the season, I'd like to celebrate my championship and style and remind everyone who they need to beat. What is the best way I should do this? Should I present myself a championship ring? Should I raise a banner? I have set aside my league winnings to do this right, and I trust you guys completely.

You have not let me astray. What should I do to celebrate my victory? From Chuck the champ. What was the banner? He's just wondering how he should celebrate at his party. Michael, look at a bunch of us. While you guys think, I also want to say that before we get big heads about helping this guy win,

he also says, P.S., I should mention that I discovered your podcast at the same time as a league mate. You led me to glory, but the league mate came in last place. This probably has like some higher meaning, but I'm just going to ignore it. Yeah, but think about it. So you listen to our podcast and you have a 50% chance of winning it all? Not bad. 60% of the time, it works every time.

Eric, here's what I think you should do. I think you should make sure that during the draft, You sit higher than everyone else and let them know that you are the king. Sit on, like, put a chair on the table and only draft from up there and look down on all the peons. The key is the difference between he's just can do something or does he actually get to dictate it? Because you don't be really funny. You know, like, if you go back to, like, a school, the chairs are really small. Yeah.

It would be really funny if you ever have, like, small children chairs. Yeah. And then he's just sitting in a regular one. Go to, like, a Toys R.S. and buy a bunch of kitty chairs and kitty tables and make everyone sit at that but you. That's so good. Wow.

If you do that, Eric, take a photo and we'll do something. We'll explain it to the people on the podcast. I was going to say, like, we'll tweet it out. And I was like, is that that cool? Is that that worth it for him? We'll describe it. Yeah, we'll describe it to people on this podcast.

Yeah. Maybe we'll see if the intern at ESPN will tweet it out. God, it must be a great job. You're like, ah, here's the sports. center, Instagram. Post whatever you want. Okay. I think that's all we got.

There's our quarterback tears and fears. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Baker. Thank you, Sam Darnold. Opposite of thank you to Dave Gettleman

for taking Seekwan, although I guess the whole thing was in minefield doesn't matter. Sorry, I'm getting my feelings. Okay. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, tears, four fears.

Nice. Nice. Nice. I wish I could play. One of these days, man, Spotify's going to let us just go nuts on the songs. Well, shouldn't we just get sued on purpose? Isn't that what Lil Nas X did with Nike?

And then we'll get all the publicity. Like, what did a fantasy football show? Sued by Mariah Carey? Like, wouldn't that overall net be good for us? Well, I think Lil Nas X has a little more pull than we do and better lawyers and wouldn't get fired from his label. Because we didn't get Satan blood in the title. What he understood was the, he understood how to reverse do the headline, which was

Lil Nas X sued by Nike for six. Satan shoes. And then the sub headline was like, blood is in the sneakers. And you click on that. And so how do we get Mariah Carey to sue us for like Satan blood? Fantasy.

Moderately successful fantasy football podcast sued by Mariah Carey. How do we get like Satan in the, how do we, I don't know, we need a third element there. We'll workshop it. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll do this. Yeah. If you have any ideas on Satan or anything, emails that ring on fantasy football team. even reached out. I was talking to Matt Bellany on the town about Mariah Care. As I told him, I was like, I was like, we're trying to get her song, and he was like, you got no shot.

She's especially prickly about her content. How much are we going to lose? How much are we going to lose if we get sued? 10 bucks, 10 million? What are we talking here? Our jobs? Tons of money. I got a family hyphids. I don't.

She's not going to get a billion dollars. I just want to know what the number is. I don't know. I really don't. We got an email a long time ago from somebody saying it was like my dad or uncle works for Columbia or whatever, like is associated with Mariah Carey. Never got back to us. I responded like twice. I think that guy made it up so we'd answer his email. And then when we were like, really?

He got cold feet. Yeah. Rough. That's rough for us. So if you guys want us to respond to an email of yours, just tell us you know Mariah Carey. You'll be on it. Just string us along for months at a time. Yeah.

One day, Mariah. All right. Goodbye, everyone.